Ang may-ari ng baril: Pulis na tita ng suspek sa Tacloban shooting ginisa sa Senado — ABS-CBN News

[0:00] For his question, so paano po nakuha nung kamangkin nyo ba? Tama ba yung isang shooter? [0:09] Yes, Madam Chair. Nash is my nephew. [0:11] Is your nephew. So paano po nakuha ni Elias Nash yung baril nyo, yung Glock 17, na nakalagay, nasa kwarto nyo, pero nakalagay sa isang plastic container? [0:25] Nash unlawfully entered my own house. It's not a room po, it's my own house. [0:35] It's a house. [0:36] Yes po. He forcibly damaged my locker. It was locked. And my house was locked as well po, ma'am. [0:50] Pero yung locker ay plastic locker. [0:52] Plastic locker and my firearm was inside a gun box. The locker was as well locked po. [0:58] And I'm only the one who had possession of the keys to my house, ma'am. [1:06] So nakapasok siya sa bahay kahit wala siyang susi. Yung plastic locker, standard ba na pang safe keep yun ng firearm? Plastic locker, hindi mas matibay na locker? [1:18] Yung standard po is yung safety vault. But it was in good faith, ma'am, that I believe it was safe at that time since I'm only the one staying in my own house. [1:42] So standard po pala, Sergeant Pasensya, na safety vault, hindi lang plastic locker. [1:54] I appreciate good faith po, talaga. But lalo na sa ating mga nagtatrabaho sa gobyerno, I think we need to observe the standards para nga po ma-anticipate at maiwasan yung mga worst case scenario tulad po nito. [2:10] And lastly, before I turn over to Senator Rafi at this point for his follow-up question, paano po nabuksan ni Elias Nash yung gun box? [2:21] Di ba, ang gun box ba, ano bang material nun? Plastic din lang po ba o bakal po? [2:28] It was plastic din po, ma'am. [2:31] Standard po ba na yung gun box ay plastic lamang? [2:35] Yes, ma'am. [2:36] Okay. So standard po yung plastic na gun box, but standard din na kung nasa plastic na gun box ang isang barel, andun siya sa isang safety vault. [2:47] Tama po. [2:49] Salamat, Sergeant Pasensya. [2:50] So at this point, Senator Rafi? [2:52] Thank you, Madam Chair. [2:54] Stop, Sergeant Pasensya. [2:55] Tanong ko lang, paano nalaman nung inyong pamangkin na yung barel ninyo ay doon niya makukuha doon sa sabi mong naka-plastic na lalagyan? [3:05] Sen, Rafi, I have only one locker in my room, and siguro naghanap siya kung saan ko pwede mataguan. Yun lang po ang area na may lock po. [3:31] Now, balita na isinasama mo raw ata sa target shooting sa firing range, yung pamangkin mo? [3:37] Sen, I only bring him once. [3:44] You brought him just once? [3:45] Just once. [3:46] Bakit? Anong reason? Ba't nyo siya dinala sa firing range para turuan na mag-firing? Anong dahilan? [3:55] He usually told me that he wanted to be a police officer like me. [4:02] He looked up on me. [4:08] Yun po. He wanted to be a police officer, and he was asking if I could bring him sa firing range. [4:18] Pero alam nyo po na hindi dapat dahil siya po ay minor, he's not supposed to be inside a firing range. [4:32] Sergeant, pakisagot sa tanong ni Sen. Rafi. [4:38] Wala po akong, I have no personal knowledge na may prohibition po. [4:50] Staff Sergeant, excuse me Sen. Rafi, nanong pa po kayo kanina, [4:55] at kuyo po ay kawani ng Philippine National Police, [5:00] ang pangunahing law enforcement institution ng ating bansa. [5:05] Pakisagot ng makatotohanan sa tanong ni Sen. Rafi. [5:27] Hindi nyo ba alam na hindi dapat makakapasok sa firing range ang isang minor de edad? [5:33] Hindi, hindi po. [5:42] That's amazing, Sen. Rafi. [5:43] Any more questions for this resource person? [5:45] Then, doon kay General na lang. [5:50] Anyway, before I end my questioning dito kay Staff Sergeant Pasensya, [5:55] siguro there's a lesson to be learned here, [5:58] na dapat tayo mga matatanda, responsible gun owner, so to speak. [6:03] Hindi natin in-expose sa mga minors, na mga kamag-anak natin, [6:07] kahit na tayo ay civilian man o police, [6:09] yung nang pakita natin sa kanila yung mga barel, [6:11] and much more bringing them sa mga firing range [6:16] para makita nila yung actual na pagpaputok ng barel [6:20] hanggang sa matututo sila kung paano magpaputok ng barel. [6:24] So, in other words, [6:25] natuto siya kung paano magpaputok ng barel [6:27] dahil nga po sinama mo siya sa firing range. [6:29] Kung hindi mo siya sinama at hindi siya na-expose [6:32] sa ganong klaseng environment, [6:34] then things would have been different. [6:35] Yan po ang point ko. [6:38] Now, dito kay General, ano? [6:39] So, Senator Rafi, bago natin po iwan si Sergeant Pasyensya. [6:43] Follow up po, Sergeant. [6:45] Tama po ba na kayo yung tumatayong magulang ni Elias Nash? [6:51] Madam Chair, hindi po ako ang tumatayong magulang ni Nash. [6:58] I am his aunt, pero may parents po si Nash. [7:02] And his father is my brother. [7:04] Ang supervision ko po ko ay Nash [7:09] are more on support and sa financial na aspect po. [7:14] So, may ilang kumbaga parental duties [7:17] na kayo ang tumutupad para kay Elias Nash? [7:21] In cases po, nawala po talaga ang parents niya [7:25] because they are members of 4Ps. [7:29] Wala po silang trabaho. [7:31] And naawan naman po ako sa bata, [7:33] lalo na kapag kumihingi na po ng pangbili ng ulam, gatas, [7:40] kahit po sa education nila. [7:42] Yun po yung support ko kay Nash. [7:46] Pero si Nash po ba ay doon nakatira sa bahay [7:49] ng kanyang magulang? [7:51] Or siya po ay doon sa inyong bahay? [7:53] Yes po, nakatira po siya sa kanyang mga magulang. [7:57] Ako lang po ang nakatira sa sarili ko pong bahay. [8:00] And lastly po at this point, [8:02] kayo po, meron po ba kayong insight [8:04] kung bakit ganyan ang ginawa ni Elias Nash nung araw niyon? [8:09] May mga indications po ba? [8:11] Kasi sabi niyo kanina, [8:13] kayo rin po ay nag-a-advise kay Elias Nash. [8:15] So, meron ba kayong napansin [8:17] na parang maaring sabihin niyon in hindsight [8:21] papunta dito sa ginawa niya? [8:24] Yung napapansin ko po kay Nash [8:26] is masyadong haba ang oras niya sa cellphone. [8:29] So, he is introvert more or most of the time [8:41] hindi siya nakikipag-usap. [8:43] Gusto lang niyang mapag-isa. [8:47] He is always on his cell phone, Madam Chair. [8:54] So, iba po doon sa dating pagkakilala ni Jerick [8:58] na kapatid ni Miss Janica [9:00] na sinabi nila kanina [9:01] na ang dating pagkakilala nila kay Elias Nash [9:04] ay masayahin, palabiro, [9:07] kaibigan pa nga niya, kaklase pa niya. [9:10] Pero kayo ever since, [9:12] ang pagkakilala niyo po kay Elias Nash [9:14] ay itong introvert at iba pa? [9:16] Yun po, before Nash was a different kid. [9:21] Noong siguro nag-pu-puberty na po siya, [9:24] doon siya nag-start na magkaroon [9:25] ng sarili niyang mundo. [9:27] Alright, salamat, Sergeant Paciencia. [9:32] Please do stay on para sa iba pang mga tanong. [9:36] Malamang pati galing kay Senate President Gachalian. [9:39] Pero at ito po ay, [9:41] hindi po natin pinapawalang sala si Nash [9:45] sa kanyang ginawa. [9:47] And this is also public awareness [9:49] kung ano ang mga dapat na bantayan [9:51] na mga magulang at na mga guro, [9:54] posibleng mga danger signs [9:56] na maaaring papunta na sa karahasan [9:58] at pananakit sa ibang bata, [10:00] ang isang bata. [10:01] Kasi gusto nating malaman dito sa hearing [10:04] kung may mga signals ba tayong na-miss. [10:07] So, back to Senator Raffi. [10:10] Yung pagsama niya sa firing rage [10:12] nung kanyang pamangkin, [10:14] wala palang batas na ipinagbabawal yun. [10:16] In fact, may mga bata ngayon [10:18] na nagsasali sa mga practical shooting competition [10:21] with proper guidance. [10:25] So siguro, [10:27] inibigyan mo ng guidance, [10:28] sinasabihin mo yung mga bata, [10:29] sasama kita rito, [10:30] pero ito yung mga limitations, [10:32] ito yung pwede man gawin [10:33] at pwede hindi gawin. [10:34] So yung pagsama mo doon sa pamangkin mo, [10:36] wala kang violations doon [10:37] dahil walang batas against it. [10:39] Ngayon, matanong ko lang si General. [10:42] General, curious lang ako. [10:44] Anong ginawa niyo? [10:45] Anong naging protocol nung once na, [10:48] of course, yung pag-responde niyo nata, [10:49] three minutes lang, [10:50] which is okay na yun, [10:51] from the time na may tumawag. [10:53] How was the offender, [10:55] these child offenders, [10:57] how was the process? [10:59] From the start na nakuha siya ng police, [11:01] up to sila ay nadalas, [11:03] na TSWD. [11:04] And how long did it take? [11:06] Yes, sir. [11:07] Thank you. [11:09] Sa protocol po kasi, sir, [11:16] dapat nandyan po si DSWD. [11:19] And while ongoing po yung pag-gather [11:23] ng testimony ng bata, [11:27] after eight hours po, [11:29] dapat tinoturnover po namin sa DSWD. [11:32] So, yung eight hours na window, [11:35] saan yung bata nakapirme habang ininta yung eight hours na pagdating ng DSWD? [11:42] Saan nakahold yung bata? [11:43] Dito sa case po natin sa dalawa po, sir, [11:48] may request po yung DSWD na since wala pa silang facility, sir, [11:56] gumawa po sila ng written request na kung pwede, [11:59] doon na lang muna sa women's WCPD office po ng police station one [12:07] para safe din po yung bata. [12:10] Then, closely monitored and supervised the DSWD personnel po. [12:16] Madam Chair, gusto magsatata ni Secretary? [12:18] Yes, Secretary. [12:20] Madam Chair, I just want to clarify. [12:21] That's LSWDO. [12:23] Local. [12:24] City. [12:25] Hindi po kami. [12:26] Hindi nyo kami nakausap during that. [12:28] If you look at the JJWA, [12:30] the handling protocol is the local social welfare. [12:33] Kasi the moment ho, natapos ho yung intake and all of that, [12:36] that's the only time that they turn over to DSWD. [12:39] At kami, for the record, [12:41] we also have a regional rehabilitation center. [12:45] Yung nasabi ho, wala kaming facility, [12:47] meron ho, in fact, in the region. [12:49] I just wanted to put on record na hindi ho kami yung nagsabing wala kaming facility. [12:54] DSWD has a facility in the region. [12:57] So dapat, [12:58] So dapat, [13:01] Secretary Gatchelian, [13:02] sinasabi nyo, [13:03] right after that incident, [13:05] nung yung bata ay nakuha na ng mga polis, [13:09] di nila sa DSWD? [13:10] As opposed to sa LSWD? [13:12] The LSWD, [13:13] the local ho, [13:14] will be the first to do all the social case intake. [13:18] And then, [13:18] dapat normally, [13:19] meron ho silang bahay pag-asa. [13:22] Since wala ho sila noon, [13:24] that's why I believe [13:25] they were asked to be placed in a safe area [13:28] sa police station, [13:30] which we believe nga is [13:32] bawal ho doon sa batas. [13:35] But given the circumstances, [13:38] ganun ho yun ang ngyari. [13:39] But the day after, [13:41] tinurn over na ho sa amin, [13:43] we have a facility in the region, [13:45] a regional rehabilitation center for the youth. [13:49] Kumingi na ho sila ng tulong sa amin. [13:51] So tama ho yung handling, [13:52] ang nag-gap na ho doon, [13:54] yung wala hong bahay pag-asa, [13:56] as you pointed out kanina. [13:58] So ang protocol po talaga, [14:00] right after that incident [14:01] na makuha yung crime offender na bata, [14:05] is ipoprocess ng DSWD. [14:08] LSWD muna and then DSWD. [14:11] Opo. [14:11] Kaya I just wanted to jump in. [14:12] Kasi DSWD ng DSWDC, sir, [14:15] hindi ho DSWD. [14:17] Even if you look at the JJWA, [14:19] it's always the local [14:20] ang hahawak ho muna. [14:22] Tumulong na lang ho kami [14:24] dahil nga ho, [14:25] wala hong facility. [14:26] That's the time we came into the picture. [14:28] Okay, last na naman, Madam Chair. [14:30] Okay, whether this is for the general [14:32] or sa Secretary Gatchelian, [14:34] kasi marami akong experience [14:35] in the past sa programa ko, [14:36] mga crime offender ng mga bata, [14:38] ang ginagawa, [14:39] binibigyan sa mga magulang [14:42] kasi hindi pwedeng ikasuhan ng piskal. [14:45] And then a few days later, [14:47] gumagawa naman ulit ng krimen, [14:48] karumaldumal, [14:49] rape pa nga yung mga kaso. [14:50] So, while they are in custody [14:53] or baka may mga magagal ito, [14:55] huwag gamitin sa itang custody, [14:57] while they are being safely, [15:00] yan, [15:00] inaalagaan, [15:03] okay, [15:04] ano yung mga ginagawa [15:05] ng mga authorities, [15:06] alam ba, [15:07] sa Women's and Children's Desk [15:08] while they were there [15:09] in the facility [15:12] of the Women's and Children's Desk? [15:15] What is being done? [15:18] Anong ginagawa [15:18] ng mga taga-Women's and Children's Desk [15:20] doon sa mga CICL? [15:24] So, pwede sigurong sumagot [15:25] si Police Brigadier General Portento, [15:27] ma'am? [15:28] Sige pa. [15:29] Sir, [15:30] within that 8-hour period, [15:33] the WCPD will process [15:35] yung dalawang CICL po, [15:37] meaning, [15:37] they will get the information [15:39] of the CICL, [15:40] ipapamedical din po, [15:42] and we will be taking photographs [15:44] tsaka si 10 print cards, [15:46] but this is ideally [15:48] in the presence of a social worker [15:50] or yung guardian [15:53] or parents [15:53] ng mga CICL, sir. [15:55] Thank you. [15:55] Thank you. [15:55] Thank you. [15:56] Thank you. [15:56] Thank you. [15:56] Thank you. [15:56] Thank you. [15:56] Thank you. [15:56] Thank you.