ANDREW WILSON vs. OWEN SHROYER: Trump Debate — University of South Carolina (Full Debate)

[0:00] How is net negative migration a failure? [0:02] We're not getting mass deportations. [0:04] You don't have to massively deport. [0:06] People aren't coming in, dude. [0:07] You don't have to. [0:08] They're already here. [0:09] Yes, and by the way, [0:10] he's going after the criminal elements of those people first, [0:12] which he's been doing. [0:14] There's a net negative of them crossing into the border. [0:16] If you had said day one, [0:18] day one with any Republican administration, [0:20] we'd have only 1,000 border crossings a day [0:22] versus 46,000 border crossings a day, [0:24] you'd say it's the biggest fucking success [0:26] anybody had ever seen. [0:27] How about this? [0:27] Somehow with Trump, though, [0:28] Trump gets exactly that done. [0:30] Day one, and Owen goes, [0:32] well, what have you done for me lately? [0:33] There should be dozens of Epstein arrests. [0:35] It's part of the debate. [0:36] They are literally covering it up. [0:37] Tell me who. [0:38] They've redacted the names. [0:40] Who should we be arresting exactly? [0:43] I'd love to know. [0:43] What does that mean? [0:44] Why are all the names redacted from the files? [0:45] Why haven't they given us all the files? [0:47] I'll actually tell you, [0:48] and if you had done your due diligence, [0:49] you would know this. [0:49] Oh, because they're victims. [0:51] No, no, no. [0:51] I got arrested four times for this guy, [0:53] spent months in prison for this guy, [0:55] did everything for this guy. [0:57] Censored, lawsuit, everything. [0:59] Lost all my social media, [1:00] kept supporting him. [1:01] And then what is the one recognition I get from him? [1:03] Fuck you. [1:03] Shut up. [1:10] Tonight's topic is, [1:12] has Trump's presidency been successful? [1:15] I'm going to start by introducing [1:18] the affirmative speaker for that question. [1:21] He is known for his high energy [1:23] and sharp debate style, [1:25] which has gotten him invited [1:27] to elite podcast platforms, [1:29] platforms such as the Joe Rogan Experience [1:31] and the PBD podcast. [1:34] He is also the leader of the organization [1:37] known as the Crucible. [1:38] Please join me in welcoming Andrew Wilson. [1:42] With that, [2:11] we will be introducing [2:12] the negative position for tonight's debate. [2:16] He turned off the music, James. [2:17] He is best known as a bold [2:23] and outspoken political commentator, [2:27] recognized for his energetic presence [2:29] and his coverage of current events [2:32] across major platforms. [2:34] He has been a prominent voice [2:36] with InfoWars [2:37] and continues to engage millions [2:39] through his independent content [2:41] and reporting. [2:42] Please join me in welcoming [2:43] Owen Schroyer. [2:45] For tonight's format, [3:10] we will have five-minute openings [3:12] followed by five-minute rebuttals, [3:15] a crossfire section of 40 minutes [3:17] followed by audience Q&A for 30 minutes, [3:19] and then three-minute closings. [3:21] With that, [3:22] I have the timer set for you. [3:23] The affirmative going first. [3:25] Andrew, the floor is all yours. [3:27] First and foremost, [3:29] thanks all of you for being here. [3:32] And before we do anything else, [3:33] we got the legend Owen Schroyer. [3:35] Can we give him a good round of applause? [3:37] That said, [3:47] you're still going to get stomped. [3:48] So, first and foremost, [3:52] let me clear up any misrepresentation [3:54] when it comes to my views. [3:56] I am anti-Zionist [3:57] and anti-Christian Zionist especially. [3:59] I have done many debates on the topic [4:01] and I've won them all. [4:03] I'm also very anti-Islam [4:04] and consider the ideology [4:06] just as poisonous [4:07] as the ideology of Zionism, [4:08] especially Christian Zionism. [4:10] I am not a war supporter in Iran [4:12] and I never have been. [4:14] I say this at the beginning of the debate, [4:16] so when bad faith trolls [4:18] who are on foreign accounts [4:19] try to influence American politics [4:20] in the comments [4:21] claiming that I'm in some way [4:22] a Zionist, pro-Israel, pro-Islam shill, [4:26] you can shatter the lies [4:27] by simply showing them [4:28] the beginning of this debate, [4:30] which they won't even watch. [4:31] You and I can laugh [4:32] at their stupidity together. [4:35] That said, [4:35] I also don't believe Jews or Arabs [4:37] are ontologically evil [4:38] just because they are Jewish or Arabic. [4:40] I represent a worldview [4:41] and I believe [4:42] there are stupid and evil ideologies [4:44] in this world [4:45] and those are the things [4:46] I debate against [4:47] and resist on a political level. [4:50] Today we debate [4:50] if Trump has been successful [4:51] as a president. [4:53] Usually I would clear this up [4:54] semantically and quickly [4:55] with Owen, [4:57] but we seem to have [4:58] the same general notion [4:59] about what success means [5:00] and doesn't mean, [5:02] so we will just get right [5:03] to the heart of the debate. [5:04] I'd like to begin [5:05] by pointing out [5:05] that Trump stopping two, [5:07] count it, [5:08] two different left-wing women [5:09] from becoming president [5:10] and being the first president [5:12] who is a woman [5:13] should immediately default him [5:15] to the position [5:16] of a successful president [5:17] as just that alone [5:19] saved the nation [5:20] from years of torment [5:22] and suffering [5:22] from the most insufferable [5:24] vocal fried women [5:25] the world has ever seen. [5:27] That alone, [5:28] I feel like, [5:28] wins me the debate, [5:29] but there's so much more. [5:31] Starting on the pro-Christian side, [5:33] office of faith, [5:34] though I don't like who's in it, [5:36] I like there's an office for it. [5:38] Affirm via executive order, [5:39] there are two genders [5:40] and revoke the idea [5:40] of gender being different from sex. [5:42] He signed an executive order [5:43] stopping trans-surgical [5:43] chemical alterations of children. [5:45] He made Christmas Eve [5:46] and the day after Christmas [5:47] federal holidays [5:48] affirming Christian beliefs [5:49] as the ones we celebrate. [5:51] He signed an executive order [5:52] to eradicate anti-Christian bias [5:53] in the government. [5:54] He expanded school choice [5:55] via executive order [5:56] so we could remove our children [5:57] from a Doctrination Center of Atheists. [5:59] He signed an executive order [6:00] expanding Christian participation [6:01] and adoption. [6:02] He reinstated the Mexico City policy [6:04] blocking U.S. tax dollars [6:06] from promoting abortions [6:07] in other nations. [6:08] He enforced the Hyde Amendment [6:09] to stop federal funding [6:11] of abortions. [6:11] He strengthened the [6:12] conscientious protection [6:14] for doctors and nurses [6:16] who are against abortion. [6:17] He supported religious [6:18] charter schools. [6:19] He directed the State Department [6:20] to prioritize against [6:21] Christian persecution abroad [6:22] just to name some [6:23] of his policy directives. [6:25] And that's just the Christian side. [6:27] Domestically, [6:28] his most major victory [6:29] is something incredible. [6:30] Net migration negative. [6:31] More immigrants leaving [6:32] than coming. [6:33] Both legal and illegal, [6:34] which was his primary function [6:36] in office [6:36] from the standpoint of voters, [6:37] and this is one of the few [6:38] Western nations [6:39] where that is the case [6:40] currently with limited exceptions. [6:43] The Cato Institute, [6:44] very pro-immigration, [6:46] had to admit themselves [6:46] that Trump has limited [6:47] legal immigration [6:48] even more than illegal immigration, [6:50] negating the base fear [6:51] from his own base [6:53] that he would stop [6:54] illegal immigration, [6:55] ramp up legal immigration. [6:56] He hasn't. [6:57] Over $130,000 less per month [6:59] just on the legal side. [7:01] Real wage growth [7:02] is up 1.3 percent [7:04] under Trump. [7:04] It was negative under Biden. [7:06] The federal workforce [7:08] down 10 percent, [7:09] which is excellent. [7:10] Crime is down across the nation. [7:11] Even Owen agrees with that. [7:13] The Overton window [7:14] has shifted right [7:15] on most national conversations, [7:16] including LGBTQ [7:17] and transgender ideology. [7:19] This isn't even getting [7:21] into the historic court cases [7:22] like Roe v. Wade [7:23] and Chevron, [7:24] which undid huge injustices [7:26] in the United States. [7:27] These are just some [7:28] of Trump's accomplishments [7:29] among many. [7:30] I just can't list them all [7:32] due to time. [7:33] The idea of Owen Schroer [7:34] and many other [7:35] anti-Trump right-wingers [7:36] is accelerationism. [7:38] The glaring logical hole, [7:39] of course, [7:39] in that is [7:41] all that happens [7:42] is Democrats get power, [7:43] make life worse for everybody, [7:44] and then they just run back [7:45] to Republicans [7:46] to fix everything [7:48] the Democrats did [7:49] and the entire time [7:49] is spent by Republicans [7:50] cleaning up the mess [7:51] that Democrats [7:52] and leftists left for us. [7:54] It doesn't work [7:55] and can't work [7:56] in a two-party system. [7:57] Ensuring Democratic control [7:58] by denouncing Trump [7:59] and Republicans [8:00] just as sure [8:01] as a packed Supreme Court, [8:02] outrageous censorship, [8:03] mass migration, [8:04] expansion of gay agenda, [8:06] feminism, [8:06] and the movement [8:07] of an anti-Christian [8:09] and anti-Christ-driven world. [8:11] You guys seem to forget [8:13] we had Biden. [8:14] It was awful. [8:14] And rather than continue [8:15] his policies, [8:16] people elected Trump [8:17] en masse [8:17] because life under Democrats [8:19] is fucking awful. [8:21] Now, [8:21] you aren't going to get [8:22] everything you want [8:23] out of any administration. [8:24] Trump is way too [8:25] pro-feminist, [8:26] pro-gay, [8:26] and pro-Zionist [8:27] for my personal liking, [8:28] but we all knew [8:29] that going in. [8:30] He was still vastly superior [8:31] to the alternative [8:32] to Democrats [8:33] and their cohorts, [8:34] especially Harris, [8:35] who wanted to roll back [8:35] tax breaks [8:36] and tax as an offset [8:38] instead of tariffs, [8:39] which is Democrat policy [8:40] as usual. [8:42] We knew Trump [8:42] was pro-Israel. [8:43] He moved the embassy [8:44] to Jerusalem [8:44] and tore up the Iran deal [8:45] the first time around. [8:47] We knew this was part [8:47] of what we were getting [8:48] when we elected him, [8:49] including Owen Schroyer, [8:51] who, by the way, [8:51] was put in solitary confinement [8:52] by Democrats [8:53] and held, in my opinion, [8:54] as a political prisoner. [8:56] That's what's in store [8:57] for us under Democrats. [8:59] I will cede no ground [9:00] to Democrats [9:01] under any circumstances [9:02] as there's no alternative. [9:05] There's nothing. [9:06] You cannot give Democrats [9:08] power, period. [9:11] And with that, [9:12] I'll cede the rest of my time, [9:13] but just note [9:14] that progressive ideology [9:16] is always waiting to strike, [9:17] and going against Trump [9:19] is not going to help [9:20] against that fight. [9:23] Thank you very much [9:23] for that opening. [9:25] We'll kick it over to Owen [9:31] for his opening as well. [9:32] Well, the premise [9:34] of this debate is, [9:36] has President Trump [9:37] been successful or not? [9:40] The premise is not, [9:41] are the Democrats [9:42] a bad political party? [9:44] I think that we all [9:44] agree with that. [9:45] So that is not the premise [9:46] of the debate, [9:47] and I feel that the very fact [9:49] that we are having this debate [9:50] shows that there is at least [9:53] room for consideration [9:54] that the Trump administration [9:56] has not been successful. [9:58] And while you do list off things [10:00] that Trump has been successful on, [10:02] and I will give credit [10:03] to this administration [10:04] on securing the border [10:05] and lowering crime rates, [10:07] quickly on those issues though, [10:09] these are not things [10:10] that we should have to beg for. [10:11] These are not things [10:12] that we should have [10:13] to consider a success. [10:14] These should be things [10:15] that are considered a standard. [10:17] So really, [10:17] that's more of a story [10:18] of how corrupt [10:19] our country has become, [10:20] which gets to what [10:21] this administration [10:22] was supposed to be all about. [10:24] It was supposed to be [10:25] addressing the corruption [10:26] head-on in that collision [10:29] and destroying it [10:30] in the process. [10:32] And I think it's fair to say [10:33] that at least to this point, [10:34] it's not happening. [10:35] But here's some of the other issues [10:36] that I think are going to be [10:37] more important when it comes to [10:39] is Trump going to be successful. [10:42] The economy. [10:43] The vast majority of Americans [10:45] still believe the economy [10:46] is heading in the wrong direction. [10:48] We have more Americans [10:49] that are living paycheck [10:50] to paycheck today [10:51] than any other time [10:52] in recent history. [10:54] And as everybody is well aware, [10:56] our national debt [10:57] continues to go to record highs. [11:00] But it's not just [11:01] the country that's in debt. [11:02] The average citizen is in debt. [11:04] It's so bad now [11:05] that people are having [11:06] to take out payment plans [11:07] for pizza delivery. [11:10] Now, you might not want [11:10] to blame all of that [11:11] on President Trump, [11:12] and perhaps that's fair. [11:14] But yet, this is the economy [11:15] ongoing under President Trump. [11:17] And it doesn't help [11:19] when any time [11:20] there's another war [11:21] on the other side of the planet, [11:22] we have billions of dollars [11:23] to spend on that [11:24] while the average American [11:25] continues to struggle. [11:26] So the economy, [11:28] I don't think you can claim [11:29] has been a success. [11:30] Tied into that is Doge. [11:32] The Doge cuts. [11:33] Elon Musk believed [11:34] we could get $1 trillion [11:35] in Doge cuts annually. [11:37] We got a couple 10 million, [11:39] and they stopped that. [11:40] There's not going to be [11:41] any Doge stimulus checks, [11:42] whether you wanted that or not. [11:43] So Doge getting cut out cold, [11:46] I think, was a major failure. [11:48] Barack Obama has deported [11:50] more Americans than Donald Trump. [11:51] Now, we might get into [11:52] the details of that today. [11:53] I will spare those details [11:54] for the opening. [11:56] I'm sure that this will come back up. [11:57] But yet, that fact remains. [11:59] What about the deep state? [12:01] President Trump himself [12:02] has posted about [12:03] treasonous politicians [12:05] more times than we can count. [12:07] So if there's politicians [12:08] that are treasonous, [12:09] and you are the president, [12:10] then I have to ask, [12:11] where are the arrests? [12:13] That's kind of the biggest crime [12:14] you can commit in this country, [12:15] and yet nobody has been arrested. [12:18] Don't even get me started [12:19] on the Epstein clients, [12:21] which are apparently [12:22] a hoax one day, [12:23] and then the next day, [12:24] Melania Trump is addressing [12:25] the nation on how [12:26] the victims of the hoax [12:27] need to speak to Congress. [12:30] So I'm not sure [12:31] where we want to go with that. [12:32] But either way, [12:32] no deep state arrests. [12:34] Where are all the [12:34] Epstein pedophile arrests? [12:35] We're not getting those. [12:36] These are things [12:37] that people anticipated, [12:38] and yet there's no [12:39] success there either. [12:40] And by the way, [12:42] as you mentioned Trump's victory [12:43] over the liberal women, [12:45] which I think we'll all agree [12:46] was a major victory, [12:48] he was not the president [12:49] when that happened. [12:50] He's never won an election [12:51] as president. [12:51] Just thought I'd point that out. [12:53] As far as the office of faith [12:54] is concerned, [12:55] it seems to be going about [12:57] the same way of the board of peace. [12:59] Nothing but vanity, [13:01] no real results. [13:02] You talk about the anti-Christian bias [13:05] that they're fighting, [13:07] yet look at who Trump [13:08] is working with now. [13:09] He's making sure [13:10] that Karine Jean Bowler [13:12] kicked off [13:14] of the Religious Liberties Commission [13:16] for her political takes, [13:19] yet Laura Loomer, [13:20] who is a vehement anti-Muslim, [13:22] anti-Catholic psychotic, [13:25] somehow has the ear [13:26] of President Trump. [13:27] So I'm not sure [13:28] if that's really working [13:28] for the anti-Christian. [13:30] You know, wage growth, [13:31] that's going to be [13:32] an interesting one. [13:32] I'm sure we're going [13:33] to get more into that, [13:34] but I think it goes back [13:35] to the general economic picture [13:37] that whether it's Trump [13:39] or anybody else, [13:40] Americans are still struggling. [13:42] And I think if we be honest here, [13:43] if we're going to be honest, [13:45] a lot of this economy [13:46] is actually Trump's fault. [13:47] And I know he likes [13:48] to blame it on Biden, [13:49] but if you go back [13:50] and look at it, [13:51] it was the COVID economy [13:52] that caused [13:53] the permanent damage. [13:54] It was the COVID economy [13:55] that resulted in 10 [13:56] to 15 to 20% inflation. [13:58] Those are Trump's policies. [14:00] Now, Biden was obviously [14:01] a disaster. [14:01] I'm not here to promote [14:02] anything Biden did, [14:03] but that was the Trump economy. [14:05] The COVID economy [14:06] is the Trump economy. [14:08] Now, as far as [14:08] accelerationism is concerned, [14:10] I don't believe [14:10] I have ever publicly [14:12] supported that. [14:13] I do understand the concept. [14:14] I understand why people like it. [14:16] I'm not here [14:17] because I want Democrats to win. [14:18] And I think this is [14:19] a very important statement [14:20] for me to make [14:21] because much like [14:21] in your opening statement, [14:22] you wanted to clarify [14:23] some things that people [14:24] get wrong about you. [14:25] I want to clarify this. [14:27] I do not want Democrats to win, [14:29] as has already been documented [14:30] in this debate. [14:31] Democrats have put me in prison. [14:33] In fact, I was put in jail [14:34] four times [14:35] for supporting President Trump, [14:37] including the last one [14:38] when I was put [14:39] in solitary confinement. [14:40] So believe me, [14:41] I know how dangerous [14:42] the Democrats are. [14:43] The problem is, [14:45] it's not up to me. [14:47] This is Trump. [14:48] If Trump cannot get [14:50] the Republicans [14:50] over the finish line [14:52] in the midterms, [14:53] that has nothing [14:53] to do with podcasters. [14:55] It has nothing to do [14:55] with accelerationists. [14:56] And it has everything [14:57] to do with President Trump [14:58] and the GOP. [14:59] And ultimately, [15:01] that's going to be [15:02] the major measuring stick [15:03] as to whether or not [15:04] he's successful. [15:12] Thank you very much [15:13] for that five-minute [15:14] opening as well. [15:15] We'll jump into [15:16] the five-minute rebuttals. [15:18] The timer is set [15:18] for you, Andrew. [15:20] Yeah, so this is [15:22] just straight time, right? [15:24] You said straight time? [15:25] Yeah, so five minutes each? [15:27] Yep. [15:27] Okay, gotcha. [15:28] So let's go through [15:29] a bunch of this stuff. [15:30] Let's start with the economy. [15:31] He seems to be pretty upset [15:32] about the economy [15:33] and says that it's [15:34] all Trump's fault. [15:35] In some ways, [15:36] he's correct. [15:37] And in many ways, [15:37] he's not correct. [15:38] So progressives warned us [15:39] of this, right? [15:40] Progressives said, [15:41] if you cut [15:42] all this immigration, [15:44] GDP go down. [15:45] Why? [15:45] Because they have [15:46] an influx of cheap labor, right? [15:48] You have cheap labor [15:48] that comes in [15:49] that artificially keeps [15:51] the wages depressed [15:52] for corporations. [15:53] They can then sell you things [15:55] and goods for cheaper. [15:57] Pretty simple, right? [15:58] So what does Trump do? [15:59] Stops all this mass migration. [16:01] Prices go up. [16:03] I'm stunned. [16:04] We were forewarned [16:06] of this for years [16:07] by the opposite side, [16:09] by progressives. [16:10] And so what's hilarious [16:12] about this is that, [16:13] yeah, it is in fact [16:15] going to be the case [16:16] that if American companies [16:18] have to start paying [16:19] fair wages [16:20] to American citizens, [16:21] prices are going to go up. [16:23] But you can't have your cake [16:24] and eat it too, Owen. [16:25] You can't say, [16:26] I want there to be [16:27] no mass migration [16:28] to the United States at all, [16:29] and I want all my goods [16:30] and services cheap. [16:32] It's not going to work that way. [16:33] How can it? [16:34] Can you explain to the audience [16:36] what the Owen Schroer policy [16:39] would be to offset that? [16:40] No, you can't [16:41] because you wouldn't have one. [16:42] You're going to have [16:43] to eat shit on that. [16:44] One way or the other, [16:45] you're going to have to. [16:47] The other problem is, [16:47] he says, [16:48] there's a war [16:48] on the other side [16:49] of the planet. [16:50] That's true. [16:50] There is. [16:51] It's been going on [16:51] for about seven weeks. [16:53] That's about it. [16:55] Seven weeks? [16:57] That's our big, [16:58] hang on, [16:58] it's my rebuttal time. [16:59] I won't interrupt yours, [17:00] I promise. [17:01] Seven weeks, [17:01] not quite the forever war [17:03] that we were promised [17:04] from the other side. [17:05] And it seems to be [17:07] ramping down. [17:08] Not only that, [17:09] when it comes to that war, [17:10] what we find is that [17:12] most of the exports [17:13] in oil [17:14] are going from China. [17:16] They're going to China. [17:17] How does it not behoove [17:18] the United States [17:19] strategically [17:19] to do something about that? [17:22] Of course it does. [17:23] And we can dive into that too [17:24] in the open back and forth. [17:25] Now, I'm not a big supporter [17:26] of foreign wars, [17:27] especially not in Iran. [17:28] I'm not making any excuses for it. [17:30] I'm just pointing out [17:31] something which is obvious. [17:33] He also says, [17:34] Elon Musk did doge cuts. [17:36] Were Democrats [17:36] going to do doge cuts? [17:38] No. [17:38] Trump made that promise [17:39] and that's exactly [17:40] what they tried to do. [17:41] He's been hamstrung [17:42] at every level. [17:43] This guy has [17:44] three times the amount [17:45] of court cases against him [17:47] as any other president does [17:49] in the last 50 years. [17:51] It's ridiculous. [17:52] Democrats hamstring him [17:53] at every corner. [17:54] So, as we go through this, [17:56] let's talk about Epstein. [17:57] That's another big one. [18:00] With Epstein, [18:01] you have to separate mythology, [18:04] the actual mythology of Epstein, [18:05] from the facts of Epstein. [18:07] To hear the other side tell it, [18:08] there is a global, [18:10] pedophilic, [18:10] satanic organization [18:11] which runs the United States. [18:13] The evidence they have for that? [18:15] Fucking nothing. [18:16] They have nothing. [18:17] They have no evidence whatsoever. [18:19] Guarantee you, [18:20] he won't be able to provide us [18:21] with any evidence for that. [18:22] Not a single shred. [18:23] Not only that, [18:24] I'll tell you something [18:24] really interesting. [18:25] I do know of a satanic type religion [18:29] of pedophiles. [18:31] And right this second, [18:32] Trump's blowing them up. [18:34] Right this second, [18:35] as we speak, [18:36] he blew up their leadership. [18:38] The Ayatollah Khamenei [18:39] instituted marriage, [18:42] child marriage, [18:43] as young as nine years old [18:44] inside of Iran. [18:46] And we're killing them. [18:48] Overwhelming. [18:49] You want to talk about pedophiles? [18:50] Let's talk about pedophiles. [18:52] Where are they at? [18:53] I can tell you [18:54] who we're blowing up right now [18:55] who are pedophiles. [18:56] That would be Trump [18:56] blowing up pedophiles. [18:58] That's what he's doing currently. [19:00] So it's really funny to me, [19:02] the Epstein people, [19:03] hey, wait a second. [19:05] We're totally anti-pedophile. [19:07] This is ridiculous. [19:08] There's pedophiles at the top levels. [19:09] They have no evidence for that. [19:11] And yet if we just look [19:12] not too far away, [19:14] we see that there's [19:15] an entire nation of pedophiles. [19:17] Do you mind doing trade with them? [19:19] Right? [19:19] Owen Troyer recently said, [19:21] I don't care why, [19:23] or he said, [19:24] in his debate with Shabbos, [19:25] why is it that Iran [19:27] is not allowed to have a nuke, [19:29] but Israel is? [19:30] What are you advocating for there? [19:32] That a whole country [19:33] full of pedophiles [19:34] is allowed to have a nuclear bomb? [19:36] Why should we allow that? [19:38] It's ridiculous. [19:39] Moving through [19:40] some of these other problems, [19:41] he says, [19:41] the problem is Republicans. [19:42] Podcasting means nothing. [19:44] When we're talking about Trump, [19:45] especially in his second term, [19:47] podcast meant everything. [19:48] In fact, [19:49] Kamala Harris said it herself. [19:50] Joe Rogan. [19:52] And the fact that Trump [19:53] went on Joe Rogan [19:54] really helped push him [19:55] over the top. [19:56] Harris regretted the fact [19:57] she didn't do the podcast, [19:59] syndicated radio shows. [20:01] He didn't do the podcast circuit. [20:03] She didn't do any of that. [20:04] She regretted it. [20:05] She said that she regretted it. [20:06] She even blamed Myron Gaines, [20:08] a podcaster, [20:09] for parts of her loss. [20:12] She blamed him, [20:13] him and the evil manosphere, [20:15] because they don't want women [20:16] to be president, [20:18] like somebody else [20:19] who's on stage right now. [20:20] So as we go through this, [20:22] I'm kind of happy. [20:23] I'd like to get into [20:24] the back and forth [20:25] as quick as we can [20:26] so that we can see [20:27] if any of these criticisms [20:28] actually hold muster. [20:29] He says he's not addressing corruption. [20:32] Yeah, he's not addressing corruption head on. [20:35] It's like, wait a second. [20:37] What do you mean? [20:38] He's going after the SPLC [20:40] right this second, [20:42] as we speak. [20:43] Super corrupt organization, [20:44] which was working [20:45] with the deep state, [20:46] by the way, [20:47] just pointing that out. [20:48] With that, [20:50] we'll kick it over to [20:51] Owen for his five minute rebuttal [20:53] as well, [20:54] or is all yours Owen? [20:57] Well, as far as [20:58] when this war started, [21:00] obviously there's a lot [21:01] of contention [21:02] in the geopolitical debate realm, [21:04] but at least for this administration, [21:07] it started last June [21:08] with Operation Midnight Hammer. [21:10] And since then, [21:11] we haven't gotten a lick [21:12] of honesty [21:13] because we were supposed [21:14] to have annihilated [21:16] or obliterated, [21:17] was the official word [21:18] from the president, [21:19] their nuclear capabilities. [21:20] And then they came back [21:21] a few months later [21:22] and said Iran was weeks away, [21:23] days away from a nuke. [21:24] And so now we're [21:25] over there again. [21:26] And I think to most people, [21:28] they perceive this war, [21:29] I think, accurately [21:30] as just another [21:31] regime change war. [21:32] Now, you may not care [21:34] for Iran's leadership. [21:35] You're not going to get [21:36] any pushback from me [21:37] on any of that. [21:38] And yet the facts remain. [21:39] This was a regime change war. [21:41] They lied to us about it [21:42] from the very beginning. [21:43] There is a major contendency [21:44] of Trump's voting base [21:46] that voted for no new wars. [21:48] It was part of the campaign promise. [21:49] In fact, Trump himself [21:50] for decades [21:51] has been talking about [21:52] how we've wasted [21:53] blood and treasure [21:53] in the Middle East. [21:54] Wasted it. [21:55] His own words. [21:56] He ran against Bush's wars [21:58] in his first campaign [22:00] in 2015 and 2016. [22:02] And he even said specifically [22:04] no more regime change wars. [22:07] So that's just a total reversal [22:09] of policy on that. [22:10] And this has people wondering [22:11] who's making these decisions. [22:13] I don't need to get into that now. [22:15] But we're not even getting [22:16] consistency on the messaging [22:17] in the last couple of weeks. [22:19] The strait is closed. [22:20] It's not closed. [22:21] We've won the war. [22:22] The war's not over. [22:23] We need to go in. [22:24] Nobody really knows. [22:25] And by the way, [22:25] I think Trump does that strategically. [22:28] But nonetheless, [22:28] the truth is that [22:29] we don't get any honesty [22:31] from this administration. [22:32] It just doesn't add up. [22:34] And as far as the strategy [22:35] with China and Russia, [22:36] I'd like to think [22:38] that this is all going to work out [22:39] in our favor. [22:40] I'd like to think [22:40] that that's the play [22:41] that Trump is making. [22:42] However, [22:43] it doesn't appear [22:44] to be going in our favor. [22:45] I think that most of the world [22:47] is looking at the foreign policy [22:48] of this administration [22:49] and they're seeing it [22:51] as very favorable to Israel, [22:54] which is essentially a pariah [22:55] of the entire international community. [22:58] And so instead of perhaps [22:59] these countries [23:00] maybe driving away [23:01] from Russia and China, [23:02] I think they're driving [23:03] to China and Russia [23:05] and away from the United States [23:07] because of Trump's aggression, [23:09] again, in the Middle East [23:10] as the world views it [23:11] on behalf of Israel. [23:13] As far as the Dems, [23:14] you know, [23:15] hamstringing Trump, [23:16] I think that that happened [23:17] a lot in the first administration. [23:19] I'm not really seeing [23:20] as much of it [23:21] in this administration, [23:23] but this gets back [23:24] to the deep state. [23:26] I thought we were talking [23:26] about criminals. [23:27] I thought we were talking [23:28] about the Obama administration [23:30] committing treason. [23:31] We were talking about [23:32] them illegally spying [23:33] and yet now President Trump says, [23:35] I'm okay to give up [23:36] my liberties for safety. [23:37] I'm okay with them [23:38] illegally spying on you. [23:39] That doesn't really sit well [23:41] with me [23:42] and I think the Dems [23:43] are going to look at that [23:43] very favorably [23:44] when we get to the midterms. [23:47] Israel does have a nuke. [23:49] It is against the, [23:51] it's a violation [23:51] of the nuclear proliferation agreement. [23:54] They're not supposed to have one. [23:55] Everybody knows they have it. [23:56] In fact, technically, [23:57] they shouldn't even be our ally [23:58] because they have a nuclear weapon, [23:59] but somehow they're above [24:00] all of these rules. [24:03] Now, again, [24:03] I'm not here to take any ground [24:06] in defense of Iran, [24:07] but I will point out the fact [24:09] that Israel is famous [24:10] for repatriating pedophiles. [24:13] That is a fact. [24:14] Everybody knows it. [24:15] American pedophiles, [24:16] American pedophiles [24:20] are able to flee to Israel [24:21] and get safe harbor there. [24:23] We have many, [24:24] many instances of this. [24:26] Now, the Epstein files, [24:27] I don't know how deep [24:28] we want to go into this. [24:28] This one is a little [24:29] confusing to me. [24:32] You say, [24:33] show me evidence [24:34] that there is a pedophile ring. [24:36] Well, I would slap down [24:37] on the table [24:38] not even 50% [24:39] of the Epstein files. [24:40] We don't even know [24:41] how many we've gotten, [24:42] but it's 50% max. [24:45] There's not a single Iranian [24:46] in the files, [24:47] not a single one. [24:49] Now, there is a certain group [24:51] of people that are in there, [24:52] but we don't need [24:52] to get into that, [24:53] but they all are rich [24:54] and they're not in prison [24:56] and that's where they should be. [24:58] So, I don't really want [24:59] to have to think [25:00] about Iran's cultural issues. [25:02] These are Americans [25:03] and people that were using them [25:06] for blackmail [25:07] to get leverage [25:08] over our country. [25:09] That's how most people [25:10] perceive these Epstein files [25:11] of which we don't even have [25:13] the entire files, [25:14] but in them, [25:15] we see references [25:16] what appear to be [25:17] killing people, [25:20] taking women, [25:21] young women, [25:22] babies as sex slaves. [25:24] Who knows what else [25:25] is going on in these files? [25:26] There's very obvious [25:27] code language. [25:28] I know this. [25:29] If I was able [25:30] to get one of my kids' cell phones [25:32] and I'm reading [25:33] through this cell phone [25:34] and they keep talking [25:35] about pizza [25:37] and grape soda [25:38] and jerky, [25:39] I'm going to pull [25:39] one of them aside [25:40] and I'm going to say, [25:41] hey, what are you talking about? [25:43] And if they say, [25:44] oh, I'm just a pizza connoisseur. [25:45] Me and my friends [25:46] just make beef jerky [25:47] and eat grape soda. [25:48] I'm going to say, [25:48] bullshit. [25:49] Tell me what the hell [25:50] you're talking about. [25:51] If I see you saying, [25:52] I'm going to get pot [25:53] from my friend, [25:54] I know you're not talking [25:55] about a potted plant. [25:56] I know you're talking [25:57] about drugs. [25:58] So, it's obvious [25:58] the same thing is going [25:59] on in these emails. [26:01] Where is the investigation? [26:01] If your kid brought that to you, [26:04] you would not believe them [26:05] for one second. [26:06] You'd say, [26:07] this is clearly code language [26:08] and I'm going to investigate [26:09] what it is. [26:10] I think we should continue [26:11] to investigate [26:12] these Epstein files [26:13] instead of continuing [26:14] to cover them up [26:15] because I do think [26:16] there is a there there [26:17] as most other Americans do [26:19] and that's something [26:19] that Trump campaigned on [26:20] and many of his administration [26:22] talked about for years. [26:25] With that, [26:26] I'm going to jump [26:31] into the crossfire. [26:32] This is 40 minutes. [26:33] So, this is fully up to you guys. [26:35] If it gets too rocky, [26:38] I'm going to jump in [26:39] and put it into 90 second responses. [26:41] So, the floor is yours gentlemen [26:43] for open dialogue. [26:44] So, I wanted to start [26:45] if we could [26:46] with Israeli repatriation [26:48] of pedophiles. [26:50] So, you and I both agree [26:51] that this happens [26:52] and it's abhorrent. [26:53] Do you know [26:53] what the numbers are roughly? [26:56] The last story I read [26:57] was a CBS story. [26:58] It was a couple dozen I think. [27:00] I think the total [27:01] that I could find [27:02] as being as charitable [27:03] to your view as I could [27:04] is about 200. [27:06] That's a lot. [27:06] It's a significant amount. [27:08] But it's nothing [27:09] in comparison [27:09] to the Catholic Church. [27:11] Nothing. [27:13] Which is somewhere [27:13] around 100,000 children [27:15] perhaps or more. [27:17] When we talk about [27:17] this idea of pedophilia [27:19] here in the United States, [27:20] Owen, [27:20] this is my big issue [27:21] with this is that [27:22] there's always [27:23] a red herring. [27:24] Right? [27:24] The red herring is [27:25] well, Israel repatriates pedophiles. [27:27] It's like, [27:28] yeah, that's true. [27:29] So does the United States [27:30] in a way though. [27:31] We have passport bros [27:32] who go. [27:33] They go to Malaysia. [27:34] They have sex [27:34] with underage kids [27:35] and then they come back here. [27:36] It's the same exact [27:37] principle applied. [27:39] The only difference [27:39] is there's no official [27:41] right of return. [27:42] There doesn't need to be. [27:42] They're already U.S. citizens. [27:45] But when we're talking [27:45] about this, [27:46] we know where the groups [27:47] of pedophiles are. [27:48] We've known this for years. [27:49] The Catholic Church, [27:50] for instance, [27:51] again, [27:51] part of one of the largest [27:52] pedophilic scandals [27:53] in the world. [27:54] Which church [27:55] do you belong to again? [27:56] Is it Catholic? [27:58] I have no qualms [27:59] with what you're saying [28:00] about the Catholic Church, [28:01] whether I identify [28:01] as one or not. [28:02] So go ahead. [28:02] I will sit here [28:03] all day [28:04] as a confirmed Catholic [28:05] and ridicule [28:06] their pedophilia. [28:07] Yeah, [28:07] I'm just saying [28:08] that when you use [28:08] the red herring [28:09] of the Israeli repatriation. [28:11] How is it a red herring [28:12] if it's true? [28:12] Because, [28:13] well, [28:13] the red herring [28:14] happens when you say, [28:15] didn't you admit [28:15] it's hundreds? [28:16] When you say, [28:16] hey, [28:17] wait a second. [28:18] Yeah, [28:18] hundreds. [28:19] So it's a real thing. [28:19] So it's not a red herring. [28:20] I'm not, [28:21] no, [28:21] the red herring portion [28:22] of it is when you [28:22] obfuscate away [28:23] from the arguments [28:25] on the Epstein files [28:26] as though there's [28:26] a global cabal [28:27] of pedophiles. [28:28] I point out [28:28] in Iran [28:29] there's an open [28:30] cabal of pedophiles. [28:31] You say, [28:32] well, [28:32] Israel harbors [28:33] pedophiles too. [28:34] It's like, [28:34] no, [28:35] they don't have [28:35] official policy [28:36] for pedophilia, [28:37] dude. [28:38] They don't. [28:38] You just admitted [28:39] you're talking [28:40] about people [28:41] that have been [28:41] actually charged [28:42] with crimes [28:43] of pedophilia [28:44] that Israel [28:45] knowingly takes in. [28:46] So they are [28:47] very well aware. [28:47] That's not in every instance. [28:49] So they are [28:49] very well aware. [28:50] Sometimes it's [28:51] suspected. [28:52] One of the big [28:52] key ones [28:53] was an Australian case [28:54] I'm sure you're [28:54] familiar with. [28:56] That was one [28:56] of the big key ones [28:57] but it's not always [28:58] the case [28:58] that they're charged [28:59] with anything. [29:00] Lots of them [29:00] are just suspected [29:01] of this. [29:01] The same way [29:02] that the United States [29:03] is suspected. [29:04] Hold on. [29:05] There was just [29:05] an IDF security [29:06] official, [29:07] Aleksandrovich, [29:08] who just got charged, [29:09] caught in a bust, [29:09] and he fled over there. [29:10] He's gone. [29:11] Of course. [29:12] So give me [29:13] a comparable story [29:14] this year [29:14] to the Catholic Church. [29:15] You can find [29:15] the same thing. [29:16] Show me the Catholic Church [29:18] finding a pedophile [29:19] and saying, [29:19] come to the Catholic Church. [29:21] They moved them [29:21] to other churches. [29:22] What are you talking about? [29:23] So allow them [29:24] to continue to offend [29:25] hundreds of thousands [29:26] of cases. [29:26] So show me. [29:27] Show me one name. [29:28] I'm supposed to remember [29:29] every name of every bishop? [29:30] I just gave you [29:31] one name in the last year. [29:32] Tom Aleksandrovich, [29:33] IDF security official, [29:34] fled to Israel. [29:35] Are you denying that the Catholic Church [29:35] doesn't move around pedophiles? [29:36] No, I just said they do. [29:38] I can talk about the Catholic Church [29:39] all day long. [29:39] Then why are you arguing? [29:40] But we're talking about [29:40] the Trump administration [29:41] dealing with the Epstein files. [29:43] That's what we're talking about. [29:44] So as we're diving [29:45] into the Epstein files, [29:46] give me your biggest piece [29:47] of proof [29:48] that Donald Trump [29:49] in any way knew [29:50] about any pedophilia [29:51] and name actual names [29:53] of people [29:53] who you're willing to say [29:54] are pedophiles [29:55] in that administration. [29:57] Go ahead. [29:57] Okay. [29:58] I never made [29:58] either one of those claims. [30:00] But I will respond [30:00] to your question. [30:01] Howard Lutnick lied [30:03] when he said [30:03] he hadn't been to the island [30:04] since he found out. [30:05] He got caught lying. [30:06] He took his family there. [30:07] This was after Epstein [30:09] had already been [30:09] a convicted pedophile. [30:10] Now, if Donald Trump [30:11] wants to claim [30:12] he has plausible deniability [30:14] as far as Epstein's [30:15] activities are concerned, [30:17] I suppose that's fair enough. [30:17] Are you even claiming [30:18] that guy's a pedophile? [30:20] Well, you know what? [30:21] If you want to talk [30:21] about the things [30:22] Trump has said [30:22] about his daughter [30:23] at Vanka, [30:24] we can talk about it. [30:25] We can talk about Donald Trump. [30:26] Hold on a second. [30:27] Are you going to call [30:27] that guy a pedophile? [30:28] Have I called Trump [30:29] a pedophile once? [30:30] Well, this is why [30:30] I'm getting clarification. [30:32] The answer is no. [30:33] The reason I'm getting [30:34] clarification is because [30:35] on the Epstein files, [30:37] people refuse [30:38] to separate mythology [30:39] from fact. [30:41] And there's a lot [30:41] of mythology here. [30:43] And this mythology [30:44] that you guys [30:45] continuously talk about [30:46] that Trump is in some way [30:47] associated with [30:48] this global cabal [30:49] of satanic pedophiles, [30:50] but you never name names. [30:52] You never give evidence. [30:53] Your only evidence [30:53] is they don't give us evidence. [30:55] Why would you trust [30:55] the evidence [30:56] that these people [30:56] give you anyway? [30:57] Why would you even [30:58] trust that anyway? [30:59] You don't trust them, [31:00] the evidence [31:01] that they've given you so far. [31:03] So why is it always [31:03] the demand is like, [31:04] I want endless evidence [31:05] of a thing [31:06] that we always make claims about [31:08] but can never demonstrate? [31:10] Why? [31:11] So Trump is obviously [31:12] maybe mentioned [31:13] more than anyone else [31:14] in the files. [31:15] If you want to claim [31:15] that he has nothing [31:16] to show illegal [31:18] in the files, [31:18] that's fine. [31:19] Howard Lutnick, however, [31:20] lied when he said [31:21] he hadn't been there. [31:22] He is still [31:23] in the Trump administration. [31:25] He was just running point [31:26] for their meeting [31:27] at the Oval Office [31:28] just last week. [31:29] And he's in the files [31:30] taking his kids [31:31] to Epstein Island. [31:32] So would you take [31:33] your kids to Epstein Island? [31:34] Well, okay, [31:35] so are you saying [31:36] at the time [31:36] there was media scrutiny [31:39] that this was [31:39] a pedophilic island [31:40] and he was supposed [31:40] to know it? [31:41] Yes, 100%. [31:41] 100%. [31:42] Epstein had already been charged. [31:43] He'd already been to jail. [31:43] Are you saying [31:44] this guy took his kids [31:45] to the island [31:45] to get them raped? [31:46] I don't know [31:46] what he took his kids [31:47] to the airport. [31:47] Yeah, he denied it. [31:48] He denied it. [31:49] Again, by the way, [31:51] this again is [31:52] absence of evidence [31:54] means that that's evidence. [31:55] That's not evidence. [31:57] No, no, no. [31:57] You guys never will actually name. [31:59] Did Howard Lutnick go [31:59] to the island? [32:00] I'm not sure. [32:01] He admitted it. [32:02] He's in the files. [32:02] He took his kids. [32:03] I'm not sure [32:04] on that particular. [32:05] But it's irrelevant, [32:06] the particular, [32:07] because even if I grant [32:08] the particular, [32:09] you won't actually [32:10] call the guy a pedo [32:10] because you don't [32:11] have evidence. [32:13] You never have evidence. [32:14] Just claims. [32:15] Claim, claim, claim, claim, claim. [32:17] No evidence for it. [32:18] Now, I'm willing [32:19] to seat a bunch of points [32:20] to you. [32:21] If you can show me [32:21] some evidence of it, [32:22] happy to do it. [32:23] So, wait a minute. [32:24] Hold on. [32:24] I'm almost done. [32:25] Are you contending? [32:25] Trump was actually right. [32:27] He claimed [32:27] that the Democrats [32:29] were going to use [32:30] the talking point [32:30] that, you know, [32:33] Trump's a pedophile. [32:34] Trump's covering [32:34] for pedophiles [32:35] the whole nine yards. [32:36] He says, yeah, [32:37] that's a hoax. [32:38] Whole thing's [32:38] a damn hoax. [32:39] And it is. [32:40] The whole damn thing [32:41] is a hoax. [32:42] They've been calling [32:43] this guy a pedophile. [32:44] You just said [32:44] he's named in the, [32:45] how many times [32:46] is he named [32:47] in the Epstein files? [32:48] That's a Democrat [32:49] talking point. [32:50] But what's he named [32:51] in the Epstein files [32:52] for actually doing? [32:54] What? [32:54] Well, there are [32:55] FBI investigations [32:57] that have some [32:58] pretty serious claims. [32:59] They never manifested anything. [33:00] They literally say [33:01] not credible. [33:02] So we're not here [33:03] to have a debate [33:03] over the Epstein files. [33:04] But I do find it odd. [33:07] No, you are the one [33:08] that brought it up. [33:09] But I do find it odd [33:10] that you're going [33:12] to pretend like [33:12] Howard Lutnick [33:13] didn't lie [33:14] about going to the island [33:15] after Epstein [33:16] was convicted [33:17] and took his kids. [33:17] I'll even see the point. [33:19] Even if I do see the point. [33:20] It doesn't help your point. [33:21] Are you going to tell me [33:22] that Donald Trump [33:23] was not friends [33:24] with Jeffrey Epstein? [33:26] He was initially [33:27] friends with Jeffrey Epstein. [33:28] He also banned him [33:30] from his properties. [33:31] That's fine. [33:32] And he might have [33:32] helped bring him in, too. [33:33] He banned him [33:33] from his properties [33:34] and he was also [33:35] front and center [33:36] at pointing out to people [33:38] that Epstein was a creep. [33:39] That's one. [33:40] And two, [33:41] everything that's mentioned [33:42] in the files, [33:43] Michael Tracy has done [33:43] great work on this. [33:44] He's gone through them [33:45] ad nauseum. [33:46] So have I. [33:47] The things which are put [33:48] in there about Trump [33:49] are ridiculous on their face. [33:51] Hold on a second. [33:52] And the claims [33:52] from various people [33:53] about Trump [33:54] are noted [33:55] inside of these files [33:56] most of the time [33:57] as being not credible at all. [33:59] Here's what's credible. [34:00] Alex Acosta [34:01] is the one [34:02] that cut Jeffrey Epstein [34:03] his sweetheart deal. [34:04] It was so bad of a deal [34:06] that they had to re-examine it [34:08] and re-arrest Jeffrey Epstein [34:09] and put him back in jail [34:10] in New York City [34:11] where he ultimately [34:11] Where he was ultimately killed. [34:13] Yeah, which administration [34:14] did that happen under? [34:15] The Trump administration. [34:16] That's right. [34:17] He got re-arrested [34:17] under the Trump administration. [34:18] Which is actually starting [34:20] to look a little more suspicious. [34:21] What? [34:21] Yeah. [34:21] How is that more suspicious? [34:23] So he died in jail. [34:24] What administration [34:25] did Acosta [34:26] What administration did Acosta [34:28] Trump's [34:28] was he in [34:29] when he cut the deal? [34:30] He wasn't [34:31] He wasn't in office. [34:32] Trump wasn't in office. [34:33] Yeah. [34:34] Acosta was an attorney. [34:36] Whose administration [34:36] was that under? [34:37] Obama's. [34:38] Obama. [34:38] So Obama [34:40] we have Acosta [34:41] goes ahead [34:42] and gives him [34:42] the sweetheart deal [34:43] right under Obama. [34:45] Under the Trump administration [34:46] they re-arrest Jeffrey Epstein. [34:48] Isn't that amazing? [34:49] It was a [34:49] The guy protecting the pedophiles. [34:53] So the person [34:54] that Trump brought [34:55] into his administration [34:56] is the one [34:56] that cut Jeffrey Epstein [34:57] a sweetheart deal [34:58] that no pedophile [34:59] child sex trafficker [35:01] has ever seen before [35:01] in their life. [35:03] Such a sweetheart deal [35:04] they had to re-arrest him again. [35:05] Yeah. [35:05] They have seen it before [35:06] in their life. [35:07] First of all [35:07] whether Trump [35:08] He wasn't even accused [35:09] of pedophilia. [35:10] What he was accused of [35:12] was localized trafficking [35:13] in Florida. [35:14] And yes [35:14] people have been cut [35:15] sweetheart deals for that. [35:16] You're full of it. [35:17] Okay. [35:17] So your stance is [35:21] Epstein was not a pedophile [35:22] and there's nothing [35:22] in the Epstein files [35:23] because I don't want [35:24] to debate this the whole time. [35:25] I didn't say that. [35:26] My stance is [35:27] is that there's bold claims [35:28] which are made [35:29] and I can see you running from it. [35:30] I don't blame you [35:31] for running from the claim. [35:31] This isn't the debate. [35:32] You don't have evidence. [35:34] You're on a living test. [35:35] This is worse. [35:36] Absolutely. [35:37] Well then it's part of the debate. [35:38] There should be dozens [35:39] of Epstein arrests. [35:40] Then it's part of the debate. [35:41] They are literally [35:41] covering it up. [35:43] Tell me who. [35:43] They've redacted the names. [35:45] Who should we be arresting? [35:47] Exactly. [35:48] What does that mean? [35:49] Why are all the names [35:49] redacted from the files? [35:50] Why haven't they given us [35:52] all the files? [35:52] I'll actually tell you [35:53] and if you had done [35:53] your due diligence [35:54] you would know this. [35:55] Oh because they're victims. [35:56] No no no. [35:57] Because victims advocacy groups [35:58] and lawyers have tied this thing up [36:00] like nobody's business. [36:02] Again Michael Tracy's done [36:03] the research on this. [36:04] And no pedophiles go to jail. [36:05] Which pedophiles should go to jail? [36:07] The ones that they've redacted. [36:08] What are their names? [36:09] So Epstein trafficked kids to no one. [36:12] No Epstein was getting kids. [36:13] So Epstein. [36:14] Gawain was trafficking kids to him. [36:17] Okay so Epstein raped [36:18] all the kids. [36:18] No one else did. [36:19] Name a single person [36:20] he trafficked you get to. [36:21] They're all redacted from the files. [36:23] What are you talking about? [36:23] The files don't even indicate that. [36:24] You can see in the emails [36:26] he says I have girls. [36:27] How old do you want them? [36:28] I have girls. [36:28] I don't like yellow. [36:29] I want Russian. [36:30] It's all right there. [36:31] That's not him. [36:32] There's nothing to do [36:34] with pedophilia. [36:35] As far as you know [36:36] show me some evidence. [36:37] So as far as you know [36:38] it does. [36:39] Wait a second. [36:39] Absence of evidence [36:40] is not evidence. [36:41] Do you agree with that? [36:42] No. [36:42] I'm using your logic against you. [36:44] My logic works for me [36:46] and not for you. [36:46] Okay so I'll accept this [36:48] because I don't want to bathe. [36:49] So Epstein was not a pedophile. [36:50] He was not trafficking [36:51] children to anybody. [36:52] He was not friends with Trump. [36:54] They're not covering up [36:55] the files. [36:56] I'm willing to see [36:57] the distinction [36:57] between the mythology [36:58] of Epstein trafficking children [37:00] to all of these [37:01] various pedophiles [37:02] is a mythology. [37:04] I'm also willing to see [37:05] that Epstein himself [37:06] may very well [37:07] have been a pedophile [37:07] but it seemed like [37:08] the trafficking [37:08] was going to him. [37:10] And you have no proof [37:11] to the alternative of that [37:13] and even when you point [37:14] at Acosta [37:14] this happens under Obama [37:16] re-arrested under Trump [37:17] Trump's the only one [37:18] who released [37:19] any Epstein files at all. [37:21] Signed in the Epstein [37:21] Transparency Act. [37:23] Congress also pushed for it. [37:24] After they redacted them [37:25] for weeks [37:26] they still haven't [37:26] released everything. [37:27] They still haven't [37:28] released everything by the way. [37:29] How would Trump [37:30] unredact them? [37:31] Can you explain that to me? [37:32] Well they shouldn't [37:32] be redacted at all. [37:33] Yeah but how would [37:34] Trump unredact them? [37:35] Well it's actually [37:36] pretty easy. [37:37] I think he calls them [37:38] and says hey. [37:39] No. [37:39] Unredact these things. [37:40] No no no. [37:40] That's the judicial branch. [37:42] That's a different branch [37:42] of government. [37:43] And he can call them [37:44] and tell them to do that. [37:44] Trump's allowed to do that [37:45] with classified documents. [37:46] Not allowed to do that [37:47] with redactions. [37:48] Those redactions are going [37:49] through the judiciary. [37:50] So what should Trump do here? [37:52] He can easily declass. [37:53] He can easily release everything. [37:54] They're not classified. [37:55] They're redacted. [37:56] Then why aren't they released? [37:57] He did release them. [37:58] Not all of them. [37:59] He released millions of documents. [38:00] Not all of them. [38:00] And not only that. [38:01] Again how would he get them [38:02] unredacted? [38:03] Tell me. [38:03] Not even all of them. [38:04] They're not even all released. [38:05] How would he get them [38:05] unredacted? [38:06] How? [38:06] It's very simple. [38:07] You bring out the investigators [38:08] and you simply read the names [38:10] that are redacted. [38:11] That's all you got to do. [38:12] You mean like they did [38:13] in front of a press club [38:13] and those poor guys [38:14] who weren't actually pedophiles [38:16] got calls and threats [38:17] and everything else? [38:17] That happened to one guy. [38:19] Yeah. [38:19] That happened to one guy. [38:20] That's reading the names [38:21] of people who aren't even [38:22] related to it. [38:23] This is the problem, man. [38:24] So this is good. [38:25] So you're satisfied [38:26] with the Epstein files? [38:27] I didn't say satisfied [38:28] but I'm pointing out [38:29] that I'm not willing to make [38:31] claims that Donald Trump's [38:33] a bad guy based on redactions [38:35] that he's not responsible for. [38:37] You can't tell me [38:38] how he should unredact them. [38:39] You can't tell me [38:40] who the victims are. [38:42] Show me all the files. [38:43] What do you mean? [38:43] The victims go in front of Congress [38:44] every freaking day. [38:45] I only want to jump in [38:46] just because given that [38:47] we have only 40 minutes [38:48] for the open dialogue [38:49] though this is, [38:51] it's been epic so far. [38:53] I just want to be sure [38:54] if there are other topics [38:55] you want to cover [38:55] we have 28 minutes left. [38:57] I would say [38:58] the Epstein files [39:00] is a debacle [39:02] and a disaster [39:03] for President Trump. [39:03] The releasing [39:04] of the Epstein files [39:05] was a debacle. [39:06] I agree with that. [39:08] The problem is [39:09] is that what I'll never accept [39:10] is lack of evidence [39:11] being evidence of a thing. [39:13] And while you pretend [39:14] that there's [39:15] a global pedophilic ring [39:17] that you have no evidence of [39:18] controlling the United States [39:19] I can show you [39:20] a global pedophilic ring [39:21] which exists right out in the open [39:22] that Trump's blowing up [39:23] right now. [39:23] So Epstein didn't put [39:25] a bunch of security cameras [39:26] in all of his places. [39:27] That didn't happen. [39:29] He wasn't working [39:29] with Maxwell [39:31] the daughter [39:32] of the top [39:32] Yes, he worked [39:33] with Blaine Maxwell. [39:34] Yes, there were security cameras [39:35] in his various places. [39:37] All of that is correct. [39:38] That's, again, [39:39] you're asking questions [39:40] not providing evidence. [39:42] So why does he do that for? [39:43] Wait, there's cameras here. [39:45] What's that evidence of? [39:46] This is an event. [39:46] This is a televised event. [39:47] Yeah, but what's that [39:47] evidence of? [39:48] Who is Epstein televising [39:49] what's going on in his room? [39:50] He wasn't televising anybody. [39:52] He got any proof? [39:53] So why are there cameras installed? [39:55] Because the same reason [39:56] rich people have cameras [39:56] all over their houses? [39:57] So he has them [39:58] in all of his bedroom [39:59] secret cameras? [40:00] What secret cameras? [40:01] Can you show them? [40:02] Yeah, they're in the emails. [40:03] He literally hired [40:04] IDF security people [40:05] to put secret cameras [40:06] in all of his rooms. [40:06] No, no, no. [40:07] He had a damn security room [40:09] with monitors in his mansions. [40:12] You're talking about [40:12] one specific instance [40:13] in one specific room, [40:15] by the way, [40:15] not on all of his properties [40:16] and not in the Florida properties. [40:18] And those are the ones [40:19] where he got convicted [40:19] of all these things. [40:21] So what are you talking about? [40:22] You're talking about [40:23] a completely unrelated thing [40:25] to what I'm asking you. [40:26] Do you have evidence [40:28] that Trump was part [40:29] of a global pedophilic ring [40:31] or that anybody was? [40:33] Yes. [40:34] Okay, give me your best piece. [40:35] The Epstein Files. [40:36] Best piece in the Epstein Files. [40:38] The whole freaking thing. [40:40] What are you talking about? [40:41] Nothing. [40:41] Okay, so hold on. [40:42] So was Epstein convicted? [40:44] Not of pedophilia. [40:45] Yes, he was. [40:46] Okay, who? [40:47] Was Maxwell convicted? [40:48] I'm sorry. [40:48] Was Maxwell convicted? [40:49] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [40:50] When was Jeffrey Epstein [40:51] convicted of pedophilia? [40:53] Epstein, jail, Maxwell, jail, [40:55] Jean-Luc Burnell, jail. [40:57] Two of them committed suicide [40:58] in jail. [40:58] When was Epstein convicted [40:59] of pedophilia? [41:00] I think whatever the first charge [41:02] was, was it 2007 in Florida? [41:04] That's not, [41:04] he wasn't convicted [41:05] for pedophilia. [41:06] That wasn't pedophilia. [41:07] Traffic in children [41:08] isn't pedophilia? [41:08] First of all. [41:09] So now you're saying [41:09] Epstein wasn't a pedophile? [41:10] He was doing underage. [41:12] There was one or two [41:13] of the underage prostitutes [41:14] that came from the school. [41:15] That's true. [41:16] So that's underage. [41:17] I think they were 16, 17. [41:19] Not prepubescent children. [41:20] It's a whole different ballgame. [41:22] He wasn't convicted [41:22] of pedophilia. [41:24] So Epstein wasn't a pedophile. [41:25] Glad we got there. [41:26] I didn't say Epstein [41:27] wasn't a pedophile. [41:28] I said you haven't given [41:28] us any proof he is. [41:29] Got some? [41:30] Yeah, there's no proof [41:31] Epstein wasn't a pedophile. [41:32] Oh, I'm going to use [41:33] an argument from incredulity. [41:34] He killed himself in jail. [41:35] Nothing to see here. [41:36] And we should probably [41:37] pardon Maxwell, too, [41:38] at this rate. [41:39] I'm totally incredulous, [41:40] but I have no evidence [41:41] of my claims. [41:41] Just because the economy [41:42] is another topic [41:43] we might want to cover still [41:44] while we have time. [41:45] We do still have about [41:46] 25 minutes. [41:48] Anyway, so I try to operate [41:50] off of facts basis. [41:52] What happened, [41:53] I'll just sum this up real quick [41:54] and then I'll give you [41:55] the last word on it [41:56] to be fair. [41:57] I'll just summarize it [41:58] very quickly on Epstein. [42:00] Epstein very well [42:00] could have been a pedophile [42:01] and likely was himself [42:03] a pedophile. [42:04] But when you make these claims [42:05] about demonic global [42:06] pedophile rings [42:07] which control the United States, [42:09] yeah, I want some evidence. [42:10] I do. [42:11] And I'm not willing to throw [42:12] the President of the United States [42:13] that I voted for under the bus [42:14] without any evidence. [42:16] I'm not. [42:17] So, you know, [42:18] if you want to tie it off, [42:19] you can. [42:20] Well, I'll just say [42:21] we also saw [42:22] in the Democrat emails [42:23] spirit cookings [42:25] and children in the hot tub [42:26] for entertainment. [42:27] But there's no evidence [42:28] of pedophile rings. [42:29] You're talking about [42:29] Podesta spirit cooking? [42:31] I'm sure nothing happens. [42:31] The big art project [42:32] spirit cooking? [42:33] That's right. [42:33] That's right. [42:34] Yes. [42:34] Leon Podesta [42:35] who is part of a massive [42:36] art project for spirit cooking [42:38] along with [42:39] how about we talk about [42:40] rocket pizza? [42:41] Did they have babies [42:42] underneath there, Owen? [42:43] Did they have children [42:44] in the basement, Owen? [42:46] Good opportunity [42:46] to go into the economy. [42:49] Yeah. [42:49] All right. [42:51] So, moving into this, [42:53] I just got a single question [42:54] for you. [42:55] Owen, how would eliminating [42:56] mass migration [42:57] into a net negative [42:58] not cause economic downturn [43:01] or higher prices? [43:02] How is that even possible? [43:04] Well, it's actually, [43:05] there's a simpler fix to that [43:06] and that is you have to cut taxes. [43:08] You have to cut them significantly. [43:10] You have to cut them immediately. [43:11] Americans are paying [43:12] roughly 30% of the money [43:15] that they make [43:16] plus the property [43:17] that they own. [43:18] That number needs to be [43:19] single digits tops [43:20] and a lot of Americans [43:22] will have a little more money [43:23] to take care of their bills [43:24] and take care of their family. [43:26] But we're not really [43:27] having that happen. [43:28] Now, I feel like [43:30] this whole argument [43:30] is assuming that [43:32] Americans don't want these jobs. [43:34] I don't know. [43:34] No, no, it's assuming they do. [43:35] In fact, my argument to you [43:36] is just, I'll simply state it. [43:38] If it's the case [43:39] that we bring in, [43:41] I don't know, [43:41] 100,000 immigrants tomorrow [43:42] to California, let's say, [43:43] okay, [43:44] and they're willing to take [43:46] $10 an hour less [43:47] than the Americans [43:49] who are there, [43:50] would you agree with me [43:52] that that'll probably [43:52] save you prices [43:53] and goods and services [43:54] from whatever that corporation [43:55] is or company? [43:56] Probably. [43:58] Yeah, probably. [43:59] So, like, if you took [44:00] McDonald's [44:00] and you paid them [44:01] $25 an hour, [44:03] your cheeseburger [44:03] is going to get more expensive. [44:04] Do you agree with that? [44:05] So you can offset that [44:06] with immigrant labor. [44:07] Do you agree [44:08] that that's likely true? [44:09] Yes, but I don't believe [44:10] that's the solution. [44:11] I agree with you. [44:13] But if it is, in fact, [44:14] the case that Trump [44:15] is doing his job, [44:16] which it seems like he is [44:17] since we have [44:17] negative net migration, [44:19] why wouldn't it be the case [44:20] that if we're deporting [44:22] all of these illegals [44:23] and they're self-deporting [44:24] at an overwhelming rate, [44:25] of course your localized [44:26] food prices are going to go up [44:27] because most of these jobs [44:29] are now going to Americans. [44:30] In fact, [44:31] this is exactly [44:31] what Cato is saying. [44:33] They're saying, [44:33] we're getting hurt [44:34] mostly in the economy [44:35] because Trump [44:37] is not even letting [44:38] legal immigrants come in. [44:39] I thought that was [44:40] what we wanted, man. [44:41] We want to stop that [44:42] legal and illegal immigration. [44:44] But it's like, [44:45] not if your fried chicken [44:46] is going to go up 30 cents. [44:48] What are you talking about? [44:49] We want that, right? [44:51] Well, the deportation numbers [44:53] are not where they need to be. [44:54] I don't know how much [44:56] that falls into [44:56] the economic realm of things. [44:58] Obama deported [44:59] more people than Trump. [45:00] So we're not getting [45:01] those numbers. [45:01] There was a lot more people [45:01] to deport. [45:02] But I think that there's [45:04] other reasons for that. [45:05] I think that this gets into [45:06] the, let's say, [45:07] failures at the Department [45:08] of Justice, [45:09] which maybe they're just [45:10] starting to get into [45:11] with the SPLC. [45:12] But I don't know. [45:13] We'll see about that [45:14] if we come back to that. [45:15] We're being told as Americans, [45:17] hey, buck up [45:18] and pay more for gas. [45:20] It's this war in Iran. [45:21] You've got to buck up. [45:22] It's your patriotic duty [45:23] to pay more for gas. [45:24] That is a war [45:25] that's being fought [45:26] in the foreign [45:26] and special interests. [45:28] Do you think Americans [45:29] might be willing, [45:30] instead of paying [45:31] another extra dollar [45:32] per gallon of gasoline, [45:33] maybe an extra 10 cents [45:35] for a cheeseburger [45:36] if they know that [45:37] that means Americans [45:38] are taking the job? [45:39] I mean, that's essentially [45:39] what we're being asked. [45:40] But most Americans [45:40] don't know that [45:41] because even people [45:42] on my side [45:43] are running around [45:43] saying Trump's not [45:44] deporting enough people, [45:45] even though we have [45:46] a net negative [45:47] in migration right now. [45:48] Those jobs, [45:49] Well, we need to have [45:49] a closed border. [45:49] Those jobs, yes, [45:50] a closed border [45:51] and net negative migration, [45:52] legal and illegal. [45:54] More people are leaving [45:55] than coming. [45:55] That's for the first time [45:56] we finally got that. [45:57] It's like, yeah, [45:58] prices are going to go up [45:58] from that. [45:59] You know this. [46:01] Why not be honest [46:02] with people? [46:02] If that's the case, [46:03] and then we're talking [46:04] about gas. [46:05] Hang on, I'm almost done. [46:05] Prices went up from tariffs. [46:06] Prices went up from energy. [46:07] You want to get into tariffs? [46:08] We can do that in a second, [46:09] but let's start [46:09] with the gas prices. [46:10] All you're doing [46:11] is pitting Trump [46:12] against Trump. [46:13] On the Biden level, [46:15] at his top, [46:15] do you know [46:16] what the gas prices were? [46:17] About right where [46:18] they're at now. [46:18] Nope. [46:19] Way more. [46:20] They were over $5.50. [46:21] Yeah, they're a dollar [46:22] cheaper right now [46:23] at the peak of Trump [46:24] than they were [46:24] at the peak of Biden. [46:26] So you're only comparing [46:27] Trump's gas prices [46:29] to Trump's gas prices. [46:30] Because if you compare [46:31] them to the Democrat, [46:32] they were still way higher. [46:33] I mean, way higher. [46:35] But when did the price [46:36] go up? [46:37] Speculation, mostly. [46:38] No. [46:39] When did the price go up? [46:40] Oh, I thought you said [46:41] why did the price go up? [46:42] No, when? [46:42] When did the price go up? [46:42] Well, the price [46:43] has been going up steadily [46:44] and decreasing steadily. [46:45] Since we attacked Iran. [46:46] Yes, correct. [46:48] Due to what? [46:48] Market speculation. [46:50] And you can't control [46:50] speculators [46:51] and neither can Trump. [46:52] It's not because [46:53] we have some shortage [46:54] of oil. [46:55] Where's our shortage? [46:56] Nowhere. [46:57] We're not getting oil [46:57] from Iran. [46:58] We don't even have [46:59] the processors [47:00] for their oil. [47:01] That goes to China. [47:02] So we have no shortage, [47:03] but our oil prices go up. [47:05] Why? [47:05] Because of speculation. [47:07] And you just [47:07] completely omit that. [47:08] Not only do you [47:09] omit that, [47:10] but you omit [47:10] this other part, [47:11] which is you still [47:12] haven't explained [47:13] how it is [47:14] that we're going [47:14] to have net negative [47:15] migration and prices [47:16] aren't going to go up. [47:17] They are, right? [47:18] Hold on a second. [47:18] Trump is the one [47:19] that claimed [47:19] that he could get [47:20] gas prices down. [47:21] He did. [47:21] He's the one [47:21] that made that claim. [47:22] And he did. [47:23] They're lower than [47:24] Biden's peak. [47:24] By a dollar. [47:26] No. [47:26] Yes. [47:27] Okay, but we don't [47:28] even know if we've [47:28] seen Trump's peak. [47:30] If this war in Iran [47:31] doesn't end... [47:31] You can't just say, [47:33] well, I'm incredulous, [47:34] they may go up more. [47:35] They're actually going down. [47:36] They've been going down [47:37] steadily. [47:37] Gas prices are going down? [47:39] Yes, they're going [47:39] to be going down. [47:40] Yes. [47:40] And speculators, [47:41] by the way, [47:41] are speculating that, [47:43] which is why [47:43] they're going to be [47:44] going down. [47:45] Interestingly enough, [47:46] when we're talking [47:46] about oil prices, [47:47] though, and gas prices, [47:48] yes, at Biden's peak, [47:49] they were a dollar more [47:50] than they are [47:50] at the national average [47:51] right this second [47:51] as we're talking. [47:52] I even made sure [47:53] this morning [47:54] before we came in. [47:55] Just to be sure. [47:56] And yes, [47:57] that is in fact the case. [47:58] So it's like, [47:59] you're only comparing [48:00] Trump to Trump [48:01] and even with him [48:02] blowing the shit [48:03] out of pedophiles [48:04] in Iran, [48:04] like the Ayatollah Khamenei, [48:06] he still managed [48:07] to give you a dollar [48:07] cheaper gas [48:08] than Joe Biden did. [48:12] But you just said [48:13] it wasn't Trump. [48:13] You just said [48:14] it was the speculators. [48:15] Now you're giving [48:15] credit to Trump. [48:16] So I don't know what, [48:17] you know, [48:17] I'd like a little consistency. [48:18] Okay, so wait a second. [48:20] So you're going to [48:21] blame it on Trump [48:22] instead of the speculators, [48:23] but when I say [48:24] even under those [48:25] circumstances, [48:26] it's a dollar cheaper, [48:27] that can't be [48:27] because of Trump. [48:28] Let's be clear. [48:29] No, no, no. [48:30] I want the consistency. [48:31] Here's my metric. [48:32] Trump said [48:33] on his campaign [48:34] he would get gas prices down. [48:36] He did. [48:36] He hasn't done it. [48:37] Yes, he has. [48:37] He's even admitted [48:38] that we had to take [48:39] a detour [48:40] We're off of America first [48:41] to do this war. [48:42] He said it's over. [48:43] It's not a war. [48:44] It is a war. [48:44] He has gotten the gas prices down. [48:46] Gas prices have gone up [48:47] since we started the war. [48:48] Yes, gas prices went up [48:49] when we started the war [48:50] due to market speculation. [48:51] So Trump started a war [48:53] and now gas prices are higher. [48:54] That's the fact. [48:55] But you're only comparing [48:55] Trump to Trump. [48:56] And if you're going to [48:57] compare him to Biden, [48:58] gas is still cheaper [48:59] than the Democrats. [48:59] I'm comparing this administration [49:00] to this administration. [49:01] Exactly. [49:02] Gas prices have gone up [49:03] since he started this war. [49:05] Yes, and if you follow [49:06] Trump's plan, [49:07] gas prices are likely [49:07] going to bottom out [49:08] because he has control [49:09] over oil there. [49:10] That's a nice hope. [49:11] Control over oil in Venezuela. [49:12] That's a nice hope. [49:13] He has control over all of it. [49:14] Venezuela oil won't be ready [49:15] for probably months. [49:17] But we still have control of it. [49:18] What did I say? [49:19] The future will go down. [49:20] We'll see. [49:20] I hope that's the case. [49:21] I hope that's the case. [49:22] But that's not the case right now. [49:23] And Americans are struggling [49:24] financially. [49:25] And now here we are [49:26] in another war in the Middle East [49:27] and we're sick of it. [49:27] We're sick of it. [49:28] Are you going to blame [49:29] market speculators? [49:30] I'm going to blame Trump [49:31] for getting us into another war [49:32] on Israel's behalf. [49:33] Yes, I am going to blame Trump [49:34] for that. [49:35] He did that. [49:36] So help me out here. [49:38] Can you tell me all of the [49:39] downsides of Donald Trump [49:41] killing pedophiles [49:42] in the Middle East? [49:44] First of all, [49:45] do you know every single person? [49:47] Were those schoolgirls [49:48] pedophiles? [49:48] It's institutionalized [49:49] in the Iranian Constitution. [49:51] No, no, no. [49:52] We're the 200 schoolgirls [49:53] pedophiles. [49:54] You want to make sure [49:54] that they're alive [49:55] so they can get raped? [49:56] But that aside, [49:57] no, of course not. [49:58] But there's going to be [49:59] deaths inside of a war. [50:01] Okay, so it is a war. [50:02] Yeah, I didn't say [50:03] it wasn't a war. [50:03] Does he need congressional approval? [50:04] I'm not going to quibble [50:05] over the word, [50:06] even though there's [50:06] no ground invasion, [50:07] there's no boots on the ground, [50:08] there's none of that. [50:09] I just want to know, [50:10] how is the global interest served? [50:11] You're so concerned [50:12] about pedophiles, [50:13] he killed one of the most [50:14] major ones who's ever existed [50:15] since the late 1970s. [50:18] He put it inside [50:20] of the Constitution of Iran [50:22] that you can marry [50:23] nine-year-old girls, dude. [50:25] And by the way, [50:25] that's good. [50:26] Ingan almost done. [50:27] Kilmeini was married [50:28] to a 15-year-old. [50:30] Perhaps by the lunar cycle [50:31] could have been 14. [50:31] His son was married [50:32] to a 14- or 15-year-old. [50:34] A lot of his high command [50:35] were married to children as well. [50:37] Trump killed all of them. [50:38] All of them without [50:39] a single boot on the ground. [50:42] Great. [50:42] And I'm sure after [50:44] we've killed thousands [50:45] of Iranians, [50:46] including young schoolgirls [50:48] and the entire family, [50:49] I'm sure that the Iranians [50:50] are going to be less radicalized [50:52] because of that. [50:53] So I'm not mad. [50:53] Radicalized? [50:54] What do you mean? [50:54] I'm not mad at Iranians dying. [50:54] How do you get more radicalized [50:56] than marrying children, dude? [50:58] What do you think [50:58] they're going to stop? [50:59] What are you talking about? [50:59] You think they're going to stop? [51:01] No. [51:01] Well, I'm just saying, [51:02] how do you get more radicalized? [51:03] You're like, [51:04] oh, the Iranians are going to get [51:04] more radicalized [51:05] than marrying kids? [51:07] Like, all the United States [51:08] blowing up the pedophiles [51:09] is going to really make them mad. [51:10] How many countries [51:11] has Iran been bombing this year? [51:13] Well, Iran is a state sponsor [51:15] of terrorism. [51:16] You agree with that. [51:16] And is Israel [51:17] a state sponsor of terrorism? [51:18] I think that Israel's done [51:19] many terrorist actions. [51:20] Is America a state sponsor [51:21] of terrorism? [51:21] I don't think that America [51:22] generally is a state sponsor [51:23] of terrorism. [51:24] Okay, well, [51:24] in the Obama administration, [51:25] it's very well known [51:26] we were arming moderate rebels [51:28] that turned into ISIS [51:30] and turned into ISIL. [51:31] That's correct. [51:31] So America backs [51:32] these proxy groups. [51:33] The CIA backs these proxy groups [51:34] all over the planet. [51:34] But that was due to Bush doctrine. [51:36] And now Trump is Bush? [51:38] Trump has... [51:39] When? [51:39] Where's the forever war? [51:40] We're in the Middle East. [51:41] Not a single boot on the ground. [51:42] We've been in the Middle East [51:43] the majority of Trump's administration. [51:45] Is there a single boot [51:45] on the ground in Iran? [51:46] We have been at a war in Iran [51:48] since... [51:49] Is there a single boot on... [51:50] Okay, where? [51:51] That's like... [51:51] Where? [51:52] All over the Middle East. [51:53] We've got boots on the ground [51:54] all over. [51:54] No, in Iran. [51:55] We've got boots on the ground. [51:56] Where's our invasionary force? [51:57] In the strait. [51:58] We've got people in the strait. [51:59] We're talking about [51:59] going to Karg Island. [52:00] Oh, we had 7,000 people there [52:02] and now there's 10,000 people there. [52:04] Where's the big invasionary force [52:06] to take over Iran? [52:07] So, okay, I'll tell you what. [52:08] If they do go into a round, [52:11] what will you say then? [52:12] Yeah. [52:12] Well, at that point, I'm done. [52:13] Okay. [52:14] Fair enough. [52:14] It is the case... [52:15] Fair enough. [52:15] I've drawn the line for myself [52:17] that if there's a ground invasion in Iran, [52:19] that would be a continuation... [52:20] What about casualties? [52:21] Hang on. [52:21] That would be a continuation [52:22] of the Bush policies. [52:23] What about casualties? [52:24] Hang on. [52:24] Let me finish the point [52:25] and I'll get to casualties too. [52:27] If it's the case [52:28] that there's a mass ground invasion [52:29] of Iran, [52:31] then yeah, [52:32] I would have to pull support then [52:33] because that would be a continuation [52:35] of Bush forever war doctrine. [52:37] However, limited strikes [52:38] like what we saw in Venezuela [52:39] or six to eight weeks, [52:41] which is what we're seeing right now, [52:43] that's not enough [52:43] to pull my support [52:44] from this president, [52:45] especially with all of his success [52:46] in domestic policy. [52:47] Even if I grant you, [52:48] and I'm not a fan of the war, [52:49] I'm not an advocate of it, [52:50] but even if I grant it [52:51] that it's the worst thing [52:53] he could have possibly done, [52:54] it's not going to change the fact [52:55] he's been a successful president. [52:57] His domestic policies alone [52:58] in eliminating crime [52:59] and mass migration [53:00] being a net negative, [53:02] that's what people wanted [53:03] more than anything. [53:04] It wasn't just the forever wars, [53:05] it was the mass migration. [53:07] That's what Trump always harped on. [53:09] And he's been after it [53:10] and after it and after it. [53:11] And he did deploy the National Guard [53:13] to protect these various centers [53:15] in these cities [53:16] while ICE was removing these people [53:18] from the nation. [53:19] Democrats did everything [53:20] that they could do to stop him, [53:21] including court cases, [53:22] terrorism against him, [53:24] and everything else in between. [53:25] So it's like, [53:26] all of those show me [53:27] that the guy's very successful [53:28] even if I grant it to you [53:29] how bad Iran is. [53:31] Well, I think that they [53:33] made a major blunder [53:34] on the deportations [53:36] because now they're [53:37] basically stopping them. [53:38] They should have gone [53:39] after the Democrats first. [53:40] Quite frankly, [53:40] they should have been [53:41] arresting Democrats for treason. [53:43] Alejandro Mayorkas [53:44] should have been the first arrest. [53:45] He should have been [53:46] called in front of Congress. [53:48] And you're a little too late [53:51] going after the SPLC, [53:52] in my opinion, [53:53] which is now being, [53:54] funny enough, [53:54] it's actually being directed [53:55] at the right. [53:56] They're now using this SPLC thing [53:58] to claim that anybody [53:59] that's a dissident on the right [54:01] is paid for by leftists [54:02] and needs to be censored. [54:03] That seems to be the theme [54:04] with that. [54:05] But they should have gone [54:06] after all of these groups [54:07] right out of the gate, Andrew. [54:08] They should have gone [54:08] after all the Catholic [54:09] charity groups, [54:10] all the Jewish charity groups, [54:11] all these groups [54:12] all along the Rio Grande, [54:13] all of these groups [54:14] on the southern border, [54:15] all the Democrats [54:16] that brought them in, [54:16] all the Biden administration [54:18] that brought them in. [54:18] All of them should have [54:19] been hauled to jail. [54:20] Yeah. [54:21] And they weren't. [54:22] Except they have due process, Owen. [54:23] And what process [54:24] have they started? [54:24] They haven't even started the process. [54:26] How do you know? [54:27] The SPLC. [54:27] Because there's no results. [54:28] Tell me, [54:29] how long were you aware [54:30] of the SPLC investigation? [54:32] What are the charges? [54:33] Hang on. [54:34] Let's walk through this. [54:35] When were you aware [54:36] of the SPLC investigation? [54:37] When they released it, right? [54:38] Yes. [54:38] Yeah. [54:39] So when they released it, [54:40] you're not aware [54:40] of what the Trump Justice Department [54:42] is investigating [54:43] or not investigating. [54:43] Show me the evidence. [54:44] You're the one [54:45] who wants to talk about it. [54:45] There's no evidence [54:46] of your claim. [54:47] Lack of evidence, [54:47] lack of claim. [54:48] Hang on. [54:48] Hang on. [54:48] He said multiple times [54:50] that he wants to bring [54:51] James Comey up on charges. [54:53] Right? [54:53] He said multiple times [54:54] that he wants to go [54:55] after these people. [54:55] Those charges got dropped. [54:56] Instructing his Justice Department [54:58] to investigate these things, [54:59] we're finally starting [55:00] to see the fruit. [55:01] My evidence is [55:01] we're finally seeing the fruit. [55:03] With the SPLC, [55:04] I'm guaranteeing you [55:05] that there's going to be [55:05] other organizations [55:06] which are indicted [55:07] for various things like this. [55:09] This is exactly what it is [55:10] that you said that you wanted. [55:11] It's at least a step [55:12] in the right direction. [55:13] They've only been charged [55:14] for financial crimes. [55:15] They need to be charged [55:15] for treason. [55:15] So was Al Capone. [55:17] They need to be charged [55:17] for treason. [55:18] Yeah. [55:18] Al Capone, [55:19] Al Capone was not charged [55:21] for his mob hits [55:21] or for bootlegging. [55:22] Wait, stop it. [55:23] He's charged for financial crimes. [55:24] You're not comparing Al Capone [55:25] to 15 million invasion [55:27] of this country. [55:28] If it's the case [55:28] that you go to jail [55:29] for 15 years. [55:29] Al Capone is more [55:30] of an American [55:31] than Mayorkas. [55:31] If you go to jail [55:33] for 15 years [55:34] for the crime of murder [55:35] or to jail for 15 years [55:37] for the crime of financial, [55:39] for some type [55:39] of financial fraud, [55:41] you can prove the one [55:41] but not the other. [55:42] Which one would you go after? [55:44] I would go for it all. [55:45] That's what the feds do. [55:46] That's what they did to me. [55:47] No, you wouldn't. [55:47] If you could prove one [55:48] but not the other, [55:49] you would go after [55:49] the one you could prove. [55:50] No, no, no. [55:50] They always overcharge [55:51] so they can get you a plea [55:52] and get their incarceration rate [55:54] and get their conviction rate. [55:55] I would know. [55:55] I've been through it before. [55:57] Sure. [55:57] Regardless, [55:58] we're talking about [55:58] almost two years [55:59] into this administration [56:00] and no deep state arrests. [56:03] None. [56:04] Who do you want [56:04] to see arrested? [56:05] I just told you Mayorkas. [56:06] There's one. [56:07] How about the Obama administration? [56:08] How about John Brennan? [56:09] How about James Clapper? [56:10] How about James Comey? [56:11] Tell me what your process [56:12] would be to arrest them. [56:13] Okay. [56:14] First of all, [56:15] Dan Bongino, [56:15] who was the deputy director [56:17] at the FBI, [56:18] spent eight years, [56:19] eight years writing books [56:21] and doing a podcast [56:22] all about arresting these people. [56:24] He gets in there [56:25] and does none of it. [56:27] Yeah. [56:27] The same Dan Bongino [56:28] who talked about [56:29] what was going on [56:30] in the Epstein files [56:31] ad nauseum, [56:31] how none of it man says. [56:32] And then changed his mind. [56:33] Because he went in and saw. [56:34] Here's what's funny. [56:35] Why would anybody ever want [56:36] to go work for the Trump administration [56:37] from the private sector, [56:38] especially somebody like Dan Bongino, [56:40] if it's the case [56:40] that he goes in, [56:41] looks at the evidence, [56:42] reviews it and says, [56:42] actually I got this wrong [56:44] and you guys fucking crucify him for it. [56:46] You crucify him [56:48] for saying, [56:49] look, I got this wrong. [56:50] And it's like, [56:51] why would anybody ever want [56:52] to go work for the Trump administration [56:53] if that's going to be the case, Owen? [56:55] Imagine that. [56:56] You give us a little peek [56:58] into what's going on [56:59] in the Epstein files [57:00] and it makes people [57:01] even more aware [57:02] and more suspicious [57:03] and then you say [57:03] there's no there there. [57:04] If anything, [57:05] our peek at the Epstein files [57:06] showed us that there is [57:07] something serious there. [57:10] Very serious. [57:10] No, you've never, [57:11] look, [57:11] not only have you never provided [57:12] any evidence for that, [57:13] but your other problem is [57:14] you didn't actually [57:15] answer my question. [57:17] What incentivization would, [57:19] like, [57:19] let's say Trump drafted you [57:21] to go to his administration [57:21] to investigate these things [57:23] and you went in good faith [57:24] and you did [57:25] and you came back [57:26] and you were like, [57:27] look, [57:27] I took a look at all this evidence [57:29] and I was wrong about this. [57:30] And then all of your friends [57:32] and cohorts [57:32] and everybody else [57:33] who was cheering you on [57:34] fucking crucified you for it. [57:35] You know what, Andrew? [57:36] It's funny that you say that [57:37] because that's literally [57:38] happening to me right now. [57:40] Okay? [57:40] That's literally happening [57:41] to me from this new [57:42] MAGA right cult. [57:43] Who? [57:44] I already did this. [57:45] I already put my time in. [57:46] I was arrested. [57:47] Who was crucifying you for it? [57:48] Hold on a second. [57:49] Hold on a second. [57:50] For four different times [57:51] I was arrested [57:52] for supporting Trump. [57:53] Okay? [57:53] Now, [57:54] I can... [57:54] All incorrect, by the way. [57:55] Now, [57:55] you like Trump, [57:56] I don't like Trump. [57:57] Now, [57:57] beyond the point, [57:58] I already went through [57:59] that crucible. [58:00] I already put my face, [58:01] my name, [58:02] my neck out there [58:03] and it's not even [58:03] that I necessarily did it [58:04] for Trump. [58:05] I did it for the truth [58:05] because I believed Trump [58:07] was innocent [58:07] and I wanted to support him. [58:08] So, [58:08] I've already been through that. [58:09] But how are you being crucified? [58:10] I have MAGA people [58:12] putting me on lists. [58:13] I have MAGA people [58:14] doxing me. [58:15] I have MAGA people [58:15] sending people to my house. [58:17] I have Laura Loomer [58:18] in my box all day [58:19] telling me she's telling Trump [58:20] to post negatively about me. [58:22] That was typified. [58:22] Trump posted something about me. [58:24] He told me to shut the fuck up. [58:26] So, [58:26] I got arrested four times [58:27] for this guy, [58:28] spent months in prison [58:29] for this guy, [58:30] did everything for this guy. [58:31] Censored, [58:32] lawsuit, [58:32] everything. [58:33] Lost all my social media, [58:34] kept supporting him. [58:35] And then, [58:35] what is the one recognition [58:36] I get from him? [58:37] Fuck you, [58:38] shut up. [58:38] I don't even care. [58:39] I didn't even do it. [58:39] I did it because it's the truth. [58:41] And now the truth is, [58:42] this administration [58:42] has turned against us. [58:44] MAGA has now been [58:45] weaponized against us. [58:46] And Trump is now [58:47] the very globalist [58:48] that we were supposed [58:49] to get out of the White House. [58:50] This is ironically hilarious. [58:52] So, [58:53] the first thing [58:55] that you claim, [58:56] you say, [58:56] hey, look, [58:57] I was crucified [58:58] for my support [58:59] of Donald Trump [58:59] by Democrats. [59:00] Do you agree? [59:01] It was by Democrats. [59:02] Well, actually, [59:03] first it was by Republicans [59:04] because we were going up against... [59:06] Never Trumpers [59:06] like you are right now. [59:08] No, I'm not a Never Trumper. [59:09] I voted for him three times. [59:10] What happened is, [59:11] well, now you're like, [59:13] oh, he's the worst thing ever. [59:14] No, I'm saying he's failed. [59:15] This administration has failed. [59:16] He hasn't failed. [59:17] And when you're talking about this, [59:18] Democrats were the ones [59:18] who persecuted you. [59:19] Democrats were the ones [59:20] who threw you in jail. [59:21] They were the ones [59:22] who didn't want to give you [59:23] a fair trial. [59:24] Me and my wife, [59:24] we advocated for the release [59:25] of J6ers everywhere [59:26] that we possibly could, [59:27] yourself included. [59:28] And I will give Trump that. [59:29] That is the biggest victory. [59:30] I will never regret voting for Trump [59:32] because he did that. [59:32] Yeah, huge victory. [59:34] Okay? [59:34] But not only that, [59:35] let's dive into this [59:36] a little bit deeper. [59:37] When you're talking about [59:38] your supposed crucifixion now [59:40] by the right, [59:42] Trump hasn't shut down [59:43] your channels. [59:44] He hasn't done any of that. [59:45] Under Biden, [59:46] that was a sure thing [59:47] to have happened. [59:48] I don't want to be so sure [59:48] that's not going to happen soon. [59:49] You say gonna. [59:50] Hasn't, though. [59:51] Okay? [59:52] Under Biden, it was a sure... [59:52] Isn't that the whole point? [59:53] Is none of this stuff [59:54] has happened under Trump [59:55] and you're saying, [59:56] oh, but it could. [59:56] It's like, that's the point. [59:57] Under Biden, no, it's not. [59:58] Under Biden, it would have. [1:00:00] For sure. [1:00:00] He was working with Facebook [1:00:01] and these other groups [1:00:02] in order to shut down [1:00:03] people who had podcasts. [1:00:04] You have a voice right now. [1:00:05] That's true. [1:00:06] The President of the United States [1:00:07] might have told you [1:00:08] to shut the fuck up, [1:00:09] but he still gave you a platform [1:00:10] to tell him to shut [1:00:10] his fucking mouth. [1:00:12] That's the distinction. [1:00:12] No, it's not. [1:00:18] He didn't give a fuck [1:00:18] about the First Amendment [1:00:19] because he was working [1:00:20] with the tech companies [1:00:20] to shut you down. [1:00:21] Trump doesn't care either. [1:00:23] They'll censor us under Trump. [1:00:24] They already did. [1:00:25] He did nothing. [1:00:25] Where? [1:00:26] What are you talking? [1:00:26] When did I get censored? [1:00:27] What year? [1:00:27] No, the Trump administration. [1:00:28] I was censored under Trump one. [1:00:31] I was censored from 2018 to 2022. [1:00:34] What policy of Trump's administration [1:00:35] censored you? [1:00:36] What? [1:00:36] What did he do for it? [1:00:38] What did he do to end the censorship? [1:00:38] That's different. [1:00:40] You've got to make a distinction. [1:00:41] No, no, no. [1:00:42] You're the one making claims [1:00:43] that Trump did something for me. [1:00:44] Yes, he did. [1:00:45] I'm not asking Trump [1:00:46] to do anything for me. [1:00:47] I'm saying that [1:00:48] he instructed his Department of Justice [1:00:50] to stop putting pressure [1:00:52] on Facebook [1:00:53] and these other groups [1:00:54] for censorship. [1:00:54] He promised he would do that. [1:00:55] But that is happening. [1:00:56] That's why he just brokered the deal [1:00:58] to give the Ellisons everything [1:01:00] so that they can censor the Internet [1:01:01] in favor of this war [1:01:02] and foreign policy [1:01:03] that's unpopular. [1:01:04] Where's that happening? [1:01:05] Right now. [1:01:05] It just happened with TikTok. [1:01:06] It just happened with Paramount. [1:01:07] No, TikTok, [1:01:08] they talk about the war constantly. [1:01:09] I know. [1:01:10] I'm on TikTok [1:01:11] arguing with them constantly. [1:01:12] Ellison and Oracle [1:01:13] are about to have [1:01:13] all these databases. [1:01:14] They're going to sell [1:01:15] all of private information. [1:01:16] In the future soon. [1:01:17] But you've been wrong [1:01:17] about futures before. [1:01:19] And by the way, [1:01:20] Oh, wait a second. [1:01:21] Right now. [1:01:21] Okay, hold on a second. [1:01:22] I'm talking about right now. [1:01:23] Hold on a second. [1:01:24] When Doge ended [1:01:27] and then Musk called [1:01:28] the Epstein files a hoax [1:01:30] and then struck Iran, [1:01:31] I was called a panicking. [1:01:32] I was called a panicking [1:01:33] because I knew it meant [1:01:34] we were getting into a war [1:01:35] with Iran [1:01:36] and a regime change war with Iran. [1:01:37] I was called a panicking. [1:01:38] I was called a panicking [1:01:39] because if he did this, [1:01:40] the MAGA coalition [1:01:41] would be destroyed. [1:01:42] And I was called a panicking [1:01:43] because I said, [1:01:43] if he does this, [1:01:44] we're going to lose [1:01:44] the midterms. [1:01:45] And now all three things [1:01:46] of those have happened. [1:01:47] Except every single one. [1:01:48] You were also wrong [1:01:49] about Venezuela. [1:01:50] What was I wrong [1:01:50] about Venezuela? [1:01:51] In Venezuela, [1:01:51] you said that there's [1:01:52] a good chance there [1:01:53] that we're going to be [1:01:53] bogged down on a war. [1:01:54] Never said that. [1:01:55] You did too. [1:01:56] No, I did not. [1:01:56] You said it on your show. [1:01:57] Yes, you did. [1:01:57] No, I did not. [1:01:58] You said there was [1:01:58] a good shot there. [1:01:59] You were in a debate [1:02:00] when you said it, [1:02:01] in fact, with a collar. [1:02:02] It's a good shot there [1:02:02] would be bogged down as well. [1:02:04] What are you talking about? [1:02:05] It's like every time [1:02:07] I dive in to your view, [1:02:09] it's always, [1:02:10] well, down the road [1:02:11] he's going to do [1:02:12] these bad things. [1:02:13] Down the road [1:02:13] he's going to do this. [1:02:14] Trump's administration [1:02:14] hasn't censored you. [1:02:16] Trump's administration [1:02:16] didn't jail you. [1:02:18] Trump's administration [1:02:18] didn't do any of that. [1:02:19] You just gave him credit [1:02:20] for getting you released. [1:02:21] And not only that, [1:02:22] again, we're talking [1:02:23] about the economics [1:02:24] of this thing. [1:02:25] We diverted into this, [1:02:26] which is fine. [1:02:27] I think that speech [1:02:27] is something that we need [1:02:28] to debate about. [1:02:29] But when we're talking [1:02:30] about the economics, [1:02:31] you still haven't actually [1:02:31] told us how it is [1:02:33] that you, Owen Schroer, [1:02:35] are going to make an offset [1:02:36] for net negative migration [1:02:37] without prices going up. [1:02:39] There's going to be- [1:02:39] Cut taxes. [1:02:40] That's an adjustment period. [1:02:42] You can cut taxes in a year. [1:02:44] Do you think that prices [1:02:45] are going to immediately decrease [1:02:47] because you cut taxes? [1:02:49] Prices don't have to decrease. [1:02:50] You have more money [1:02:50] in your wallet. [1:02:51] You have more money [1:02:51] in your bank account. [1:02:52] You're not paying it [1:02:53] to the government. [1:02:54] Again, those are adjustment periods [1:02:55] that are incremental. [1:02:56] So if you cut taxes [1:02:57] immediately- [1:02:58] Takes one year. [1:02:59] And by the way, [1:03:00] Trump doesn't unilaterally [1:03:01] have the power to do that. [1:03:02] He doesn't unilaterally [1:03:03] have the power [1:03:03] to just cut taxes. [1:03:04] That has to go [1:03:05] through Congress. [1:03:06] And so this idea [1:03:07] that you have, [1:03:08] one thing he did do [1:03:09] and he did do well [1:03:10] unilaterally [1:03:11] with his executive orders [1:03:12] was with migration. [1:03:14] And he did get us [1:03:15] to the point [1:03:15] where we're at [1:03:16] a net negative. [1:03:17] A net negative [1:03:17] of migration. [1:03:20] Who would ever [1:03:21] have given us that? [1:03:22] Who? [1:03:23] Who out of anybody [1:03:24] in the field [1:03:25] would ever have given us [1:03:26] net negative migration? [1:03:27] If Trump has a positive, [1:03:28] it's definitely [1:03:28] on the migration issue. [1:03:29] But it's not perfect. [1:03:31] He's still giving [1:03:31] Chinese students, [1:03:32] he's still letting [1:03:33] Chinese students [1:03:34] into these universities [1:03:34] to save their ass. [1:03:36] He's still letting [1:03:37] the H-1B. [1:03:37] And a 50% decrease [1:03:38] of the H-1Bs, [1:03:39] but the Cato Institute [1:03:40] recently said, [1:03:41] in fact, [1:03:42] cut down 136,000. [1:03:43] 50% of the H-1Bs [1:03:45] eliminated [1:03:46] under Trump's policy. [1:03:48] So yeah, [1:03:48] it's true. [1:03:49] Chinese immigrants [1:03:49] can still come in [1:03:50] and study [1:03:50] under H-1B visas. [1:03:52] 50% less of them. [1:03:54] That's correct. [1:03:55] So don't you think [1:03:56] that there should be [1:03:56] an adjustment period, [1:03:57] just like you said [1:03:58] with taxes? [1:03:59] Shouldn't there be [1:03:59] an adjustment period [1:04:00] for hiring Americans? [1:04:01] Because what happened [1:04:02] was the farmers, [1:04:03] agriculture, [1:04:04] all these big businesses [1:04:05] said, [1:04:05] Trump, [1:04:05] we have to have [1:04:06] this cheap migrant labor. [1:04:08] That's correct, yes. [1:04:08] And so he caved [1:04:10] and he let the donors [1:04:11] get what they want. [1:04:12] That's what Trump does. [1:04:13] This is a donor-class administration. [1:04:15] In this case, [1:04:16] not only did he not cave, [1:04:17] but the opposite happened. [1:04:18] What are you talking about? [1:04:19] He's doing mass deportations still? [1:04:21] No, no, no. [1:04:21] He gave subsidies. [1:04:23] And yes, [1:04:24] not only has there been [1:04:25] big-time deportations, [1:04:27] but it's border crossings. [1:04:29] It's just new ones [1:04:29] even coming in [1:04:30] versus self-deporting [1:04:31] is an amazing feature [1:04:33] at a net negative. [1:04:34] Same with immigration [1:04:36] internationally, [1:04:37] which means legal immigration. [1:04:39] So yeah, [1:04:40] he did deal with them [1:04:40] with subsidies. [1:04:41] That was designed [1:04:42] to keep the prices down. [1:04:43] But again, [1:04:44] if we follow your policy, [1:04:45] which would be mine, [1:04:46] you want them all out, right? [1:04:48] I want all the Mexicans [1:04:49] who are working illegally [1:04:50] out of here. [1:04:51] I would say, [1:04:51] you can't, [1:04:52] you know, [1:04:52] there's too many, [1:04:53] but I would say [1:04:53] you have to do [1:04:54] at least the 15 [1:04:55] that came in under Biden. [1:04:56] Well, you want to get rid of, [1:04:57] I want them all gone. [1:04:58] I want all the illegal immigrants [1:04:59] gone, don't you? [1:05:00] Yeah, I would say so. [1:05:01] Okay, great. [1:05:02] So if we get all the illegal immigrants [1:05:03] out of California. [1:05:04] But Trump's not doing that. [1:05:05] Hang on. [1:05:05] If we get all the illegal immigrants [1:05:07] out of California tomorrow, [1:05:08] right, [1:05:09] what happens to the price of produce? [1:05:10] Does it go up or down? [1:05:11] Well, we need an adjustment time, Andrew. [1:05:12] That's my whole point. [1:05:14] We would need an adjustment time. [1:05:15] So we both agree [1:05:16] that mass deportations [1:05:17] is a failure [1:05:17] of the administration. [1:05:18] What you're dealing with right now [1:05:20] is an adjustment time [1:05:20] due to the, [1:05:21] how is net negative migration a failure? [1:05:23] We're not getting mass deportations. [1:05:25] That's what we're talking about. [1:05:26] You don't have to massively deport. [1:05:27] People aren't coming in, dude. [1:05:28] You don't have to. [1:05:29] They're already here. [1:05:30] Yes. [1:05:30] And by the way, [1:05:31] he's going after the criminal elements [1:05:32] of those people first, [1:05:33] which he's been doing. [1:05:35] There's a net negative [1:05:35] of them crossing into the border. [1:05:37] If you had said day one, [1:05:39] day one, [1:05:39] with any Republican administration, [1:05:41] we'd have only a thousand [1:05:42] border crossings a day [1:05:43] versus 46,000 border crossings a day. [1:05:45] You'd say it's the biggest [1:05:46] fucking success [1:05:47] anybody had ever seen. [1:05:48] How about this? [1:05:48] Somehow with Trump though, [1:05:49] Trump gets exactly that done. [1:05:51] Day one. [1:05:51] And Owen goes, [1:05:53] well, [1:05:53] what have you done for me lately? [1:05:54] What is the number, [1:05:55] what is the number [1:05:56] that you would be happy with [1:05:57] of deportations [1:05:58] for Trump's four years? [1:06:01] Overall number? [1:06:02] Yeah. [1:06:02] Probably, [1:06:03] I would want to see, [1:06:04] like happy with, [1:06:06] you said, [1:06:06] versus what I, [1:06:08] what would be optimal [1:06:08] that I'd want to see. [1:06:09] Let's put a, [1:06:09] let's put a reasonable [1:06:10] but good expectation number. [1:06:12] I mean, [1:06:14] I would be happy [1:06:15] if it was the case [1:06:16] that we, [1:06:17] we had no new immigrants coming in. [1:06:19] I think that's a massive success. [1:06:20] Well, [1:06:20] we agree that Trump [1:06:21] is that a success. [1:06:21] I'm, [1:06:22] okay, [1:06:22] let me, [1:06:22] let me answer my own question [1:06:23] then you can respond. [1:06:24] I think if Trump doesn't deport [1:06:26] at least 15 million people, [1:06:28] which seems like an impossibility, [1:06:29] but they came here, [1:06:30] we can get them out. [1:06:31] There's strategies to do it. [1:06:32] I think 15 million, [1:06:34] if it's less than that, [1:06:34] I think we got a problem. [1:06:35] Well, [1:06:36] the entirety of the basis [1:06:38] for the 15 million number, [1:06:39] you would agree with me [1:06:40] there's way more than 15 million [1:06:41] illegal immigrants here. [1:06:42] Probably like 40 maybe. [1:06:43] Or 50. [1:06:44] Yeah. [1:06:44] It's very high. [1:06:45] Yeah. [1:06:45] So if it is the case [1:06:46] that it's very high [1:06:47] that we have this amount [1:06:48] of illegals that are here, [1:06:50] that's going to take a long time. [1:06:52] And Trump has been, [1:06:53] hang on, [1:06:53] Trump has been hampered. [1:06:54] He was moving towards this. [1:06:56] He's been hampered in the courts. [1:06:57] Again, [1:06:58] three times the amount of injunctions [1:06:59] to any other president [1:07:00] when it comes to illegal immigration. [1:07:02] And he's trying to unilaterally do this [1:07:03] because Congress isn't working with him. [1:07:05] He's hamstrung at every level. [1:07:07] He's using executive orders [1:07:08] to push that through. [1:07:09] And it's been wildly successful. [1:07:11] He's wildly successful [1:07:12] with the tools that he has. [1:07:14] You have to say [1:07:15] that that's successful. [1:07:16] A net negative migration. [1:07:18] I've said that [1:07:18] that's the one success, [1:07:19] but I just don't think... [1:07:20] That's the big success. [1:07:21] I just don't think [1:07:22] that it's going to be [1:07:24] where it needs to be. [1:07:24] I think that he's caved [1:07:26] on the mass deportations. [1:07:27] And at the end of the day, [1:07:28] as much as both of us [1:07:31] would like to see [1:07:31] every single illegal immigrant deported, [1:07:34] I think that the bigger issue... [1:07:36] But if they are, [1:07:36] the prices are going to go up, right? [1:07:38] I think that you can negate that [1:07:39] by not getting them [1:07:40] into another war in the Middle East. [1:07:41] Through an adjustment? [1:07:42] The war in the Middle East? [1:07:43] Are you kidding me? [1:07:44] You think that that's [1:07:45] the budget buster in comparison? [1:07:46] Absolutely. [1:07:47] He's asking for $1.5 trillion [1:07:49] in the next defense budget. [1:07:50] Nothing. [1:07:51] We pay a trillion dollars [1:07:52] in interest on our debt. [1:07:53] Do you know what our entitlements are [1:07:55] in comparison to military spending? [1:07:57] Cut them all. [1:07:57] But that's my whole point. [1:07:58] When we're talking about [1:07:58] entitlements are the number one spending, [1:08:00] not military. [1:08:01] That's one. [1:08:01] I think interest is about [1:08:03] to take entitlements. [1:08:04] Well, maybe. [1:08:05] Maybe. [1:08:06] But the number one spending [1:08:06] right now is entitlements [1:08:07] is three times higher [1:08:08] than military spending. [1:08:09] Three times higher. [1:08:11] Most of those entitlements [1:08:12] are coming in [1:08:13] because of illegal immigration [1:08:14] and mass migration. [1:08:16] You know this. [1:08:17] I've heard you say it yourself. [1:08:18] I have a zero tolerance [1:08:19] for any welfare. [1:08:20] Yeah, I've heard you say it yourself. [1:08:22] So if that's the case, [1:08:23] you're not going to be able [1:08:24] to do this without [1:08:25] a transitory period [1:08:27] where prices go up. [1:08:28] It's been a year. [1:08:28] When you see all of these jobs... [1:08:30] It's been over a year. [1:08:30] First of all, [1:08:31] real wage growth [1:08:32] have gone up 1.3% [1:08:34] because the jobs [1:08:34] are finally going to Americans. [1:08:35] The economy's bad. [1:08:36] You can throw numbers every day. [1:08:38] The economy is bad. [1:08:40] More Americans [1:08:40] are living paycheck to paycheck. [1:08:41] Are real wages up or down? [1:08:43] Down. [1:08:44] Okay, so how far down are they? [1:08:46] They're as down [1:08:47] as they've ever been. [1:08:48] They're as down [1:08:48] as they've ever been, [1:08:49] ladies and gentlemen. [1:08:50] Anybody can cook these numbers. [1:08:51] These wages [1:08:53] are as down [1:08:53] as they've ever been. [1:08:54] No, the wages are up. [1:08:55] Are you going to tell Americans [1:08:57] that they're doing good financially? [1:08:59] I didn't say [1:08:59] there's not room for improvement. [1:09:01] We're talking about [1:09:02] whether or not [1:09:02] Trump is successful. [1:09:04] I think that Americans [1:09:05] would be doing worse [1:09:05] if real wages [1:09:06] were at a net negative [1:09:07] like they were under Biden. [1:09:08] Yes, and that real wages [1:09:09] have gone up 1.3%. [1:09:11] It's a major thing. [1:09:12] And cost of living [1:09:13] has gone up 2.3%. [1:09:14] And guess what? [1:09:15] That'll go down [1:09:16] when you get rid [1:09:16] of mass migration [1:09:17] and immigrants. [1:09:19] That's the conclusion [1:09:20] of the open dialogue. [1:09:22] Gentlemen, thank you very much. [1:09:22] That was a riveting [1:09:23] open discussion. [1:09:25] I think we take questions. [1:09:28] Yeah, I know. [1:09:28] They're just fine. [1:09:32] By the way, [1:09:32] that's our gentleman debate. [1:09:34] We are going to start [1:09:35] the Q&A. [1:09:36] If you can come down [1:09:37] this aisle, [1:09:37] this is where [1:09:38] we will have [1:09:39] your questions. [1:09:41] This is rigged. [1:09:42] This is rigged right here. [1:09:44] 100%. [1:09:44] How does she get [1:09:45] first question? [1:09:46] 100% it's rigged. [1:09:48] Check the ID. [1:09:49] She was in the front row. [1:09:50] I have to remind you. [1:09:51] Where are the borders [1:09:52] of this place? [1:09:53] For the Q&A, [1:09:54] it's absolutely essential. [1:09:56] We want to press you [1:09:57] to get to your question [1:09:58] as fast as possible. [1:10:00] As fast as possible. [1:10:01] And no double questions. [1:10:03] No, I've got to. [1:10:04] With that, [1:10:05] I'm also even going [1:10:06] to hold the microphone [1:10:07] just to be sure. [1:10:08] With that, [1:10:09] thank you very much. [1:10:09] Rachel. [1:10:10] Okay, so since this [1:10:11] is going to be [1:10:12] disingenuously framed [1:10:14] as Andrew loves Epstein now, [1:10:16] I just want to say [1:10:17] many of you [1:10:18] were very happy [1:10:20] about a lot of [1:10:20] Owen's points [1:10:21] on Epstein [1:10:21] and I am too [1:10:22] and Andrew did make clear [1:10:23] we don't think he's good. [1:10:25] We don't think pedophilia [1:10:26] is good. [1:10:27] Given that, [1:10:28] since there are [1:10:29] 30,000 to 40,000 girls [1:10:31] 15 and under [1:10:32] each year [1:10:33] getting married [1:10:34] in Iran [1:10:35] and there are [1:10:36] 2.3 million [1:10:37] girls and women [1:10:39] living in Iran [1:10:39] right now [1:10:40] who were married [1:10:41] before they turned 15 [1:10:43] and this was not the case [1:10:45] before this regime [1:10:46] took over. [1:10:46] There were 18 and up [1:10:48] marriage laws [1:10:48] prior to 1979. [1:10:49] if we can get rid [1:10:52] of this regime [1:10:53] and the regime change [1:10:54] eliminates this [1:10:55] child marriage [1:10:56] in the millions, [1:10:58] would that be worth it [1:10:59] to you? [1:10:59] All of you [1:11:00] who are upset [1:11:02] about the Epstein files, [1:11:03] would that be [1:11:04] something that you [1:11:05] would support? [1:11:06] Well, I'd have to know [1:11:07] what the worth it [1:11:09] payoff is. [1:11:10] No, I'm inclined [1:11:11] to say no too. [1:11:12] I'm inclined to say no too [1:11:13] because Iran is not [1:11:14] my country. [1:11:14] We've been in the Middle [1:11:16] East for decades, [1:11:17] for my entire life. [1:11:18] So we only care about [1:11:19] pedophilia when it's here. [1:11:20] We don't care about [1:11:21] 2.3 million children [1:11:23] being married off [1:11:25] to old men in Iran. [1:11:26] I care about fixing [1:11:27] my country first [1:11:28] and I feel that [1:11:29] our presence in the [1:11:31] Middle East [1:11:31] has not resulted [1:11:32] in anything positive. [1:11:33] So then at least be honest [1:11:34] that it's not about [1:11:35] pedophilia. [1:11:36] It's not. [1:11:36] You do not care about [1:11:37] pedophilia whatsoever. [1:11:38] You're just ass mad. [1:11:39] Well, if you want [1:11:42] to change Iran, [1:11:43] I'm sure that they'll [1:11:43] take you over there. [1:11:44] You can go over there [1:11:45] and fight the regime [1:11:46] change war of the [1:11:46] administration if you [1:11:47] care so much about it. [1:11:48] No, the point is [1:11:50] No, I didn't. [1:11:51] No, no, no. [1:11:52] The point is consistency. [1:11:53] If the entirety [1:11:54] of the consistency [1:11:56] is if Trump [1:11:58] isn't actively [1:11:59] going after pedophiles, [1:12:01] he's supporting [1:12:01] pedophiles, [1:12:02] then hang on, hang on, [1:12:03] hang on, hang on. [1:12:04] Has that ever been [1:12:04] a statement about this war? [1:12:05] He's never mentioned [1:12:06] that Iran are pedophiles. [1:12:06] Hang on, let me make the point. [1:12:08] If that is the case, [1:12:09] why does he need [1:12:10] to mention a thing [1:12:10] that's known? [1:12:11] But anyway, [1:12:12] if it is the case [1:12:13] that it's not consistent, [1:12:14] hey, man, [1:12:16] if Trump isn't [1:12:17] actively going after [1:12:18] what I think [1:12:19] is a U.S. pedophile ring [1:12:20] that I can't even [1:12:20] prove exists, [1:12:21] then he's supporting [1:12:22] pedophiles. [1:12:23] But over in Iran, [1:12:24] we literally see him [1:12:25] blowing them up. [1:12:27] Where's the consistency [1:12:28] there, man? [1:12:29] He blew up [1:12:29] 200 school children. [1:12:31] Nobody has mentioned [1:12:32] fighting pedophilia [1:12:33] as part of this war. [1:12:34] It's a regime change [1:12:35] war for Israel [1:12:36] to get control [1:12:37] of the Middle East. [1:12:38] That's what this [1:12:39] is all about. [1:12:40] And so, no, [1:12:40] I don't support that. [1:12:41] I'd like to fix my own country. [1:12:42] Are the Iranians... [1:12:42] Is it institutional... [1:12:43] Iranians bad. [1:12:44] Iranians bad. [1:12:45] Iranians bad. [1:12:46] Is it institutional... [1:12:47] Is it institutional... [1:12:50] Is it institutional [1:12:51] to the Iranians [1:12:53] under Sharia law [1:12:54] that they're allowed [1:12:54] to marry kids or not? [1:12:55] I'll tell you what, [1:12:55] when every American [1:12:56] has a backyard... [1:12:57] I'll tell you what, [1:12:58] answer the question. [1:12:59] ...a backyard barbecue pit [1:12:59] and a pool, [1:13:00] then we can go [1:13:00] police the world. [1:13:01] Can you answer the question? [1:13:03] Is it the case [1:13:03] that institutionally [1:13:04] Sharia allows you [1:13:05] to marry children or not? [1:13:06] I'm not interested in Sharia. [1:13:09] I don't want it in my country. [1:13:10] Can you answer my question? [1:13:11] Can you answer the question, Owen? [1:13:13] Yes, Sharia is bad. [1:13:14] I don't like Sharia. [1:13:15] I condemn Korea. [1:13:16] So then the idea [1:13:17] that she has [1:13:18] is in fact the case. [1:13:20] She's talking about consistency. [1:13:21] If Trump is covering [1:13:23] for pedophiles [1:13:23] by not arresting [1:13:25] who you think are pedophiles [1:13:26] with no evidence, [1:13:27] then you're supporting pedophiles [1:13:28] by not letting him [1:13:29] kill them in Iran. [1:13:30] It's different. [1:13:31] It's my country [1:13:32] versus Iran. [1:13:33] Okay? [1:13:33] I live in America. [1:13:34] I want to fix America. [1:13:35] If you want to fix Iran, [1:13:36] go to the Middle East. [1:13:37] Nobody's stopping you. [1:13:38] It's not about fixing Iran. [1:13:39] It's about the consistency [1:13:40] of your logical position, [1:13:42] which is not logical. [1:13:42] So it's not about fixing Iran, [1:13:43] but that's the entire basis [1:13:44] of your state. [1:13:45] It's not a logical position [1:13:47] to say, [1:13:47] oh, I'll oppose it [1:13:48] in this one hand, [1:13:49] and if Trump doesn't do that, [1:13:50] he's supporting it. [1:13:51] But on the other hand, [1:13:52] if I take us away [1:13:53] from killing them in Iran, [1:13:54] that's not him [1:13:55] supporting pedophilia. [1:13:56] It's bizarre. [1:13:57] You want to go one more time? [1:13:58] No, I'm good. [1:13:59] Oh, okay. [1:13:59] You got it. [1:14:01] Yeah, you're good. [1:14:02] So wouldn't being successful [1:14:03] on at least your primary promise [1:14:05] of a thing [1:14:06] be considered success? [1:14:09] No. [1:14:10] No. [1:14:11] Okay. [1:14:11] If I hit one home run [1:14:13] in a 10-inning game [1:14:14] and we lose, [1:14:15] that's not a success. [1:14:15] So is it the case, though, [1:14:22] that Trump has been hugely successful [1:14:26] when it comes to mass migration? [1:14:28] He has been successful [1:14:29] in that arena, [1:14:30] and that was one [1:14:30] of his number one promises. [1:14:33] I said yes. [1:14:34] I said that that's been a success. [1:14:36] That's one of, like, [1:14:36] if there's 10 issues, [1:14:37] that's one of 10. [1:14:38] But that's all negated [1:14:38] by a seven-week war. [1:14:41] It's a separate issue, [1:14:42] and he's failed. [1:14:43] All right. [1:14:45] First, Andrew Wilson, [1:14:47] I first learned [1:14:48] about the Orthodox Church [1:14:49] from you, [1:14:49] and my family and I [1:14:50] were just baptized [1:14:51] into the church [1:14:52] this past Christmas. [1:14:53] Christ is risen. [1:14:54] Second, Owen, [1:14:58] you've made a lot of comments [1:14:59] about prosecutions [1:15:01] and reducing taxes, [1:15:02] all while neglecting [1:15:03] the fact that these [1:15:04] require two other branches [1:15:05] of government [1:15:06] working with Trump. [1:15:08] The judiciary branch [1:15:09] has consistently blocked him [1:15:11] and almost every single move [1:15:12] he's made, [1:15:13] and it's had to go [1:15:14] to the Supreme Court [1:15:14] I don't know how many times. [1:15:16] Meanwhile, Congress, [1:15:17] no thanks to Republicans [1:15:19] in Congress, by the way, [1:15:20] have dragged their feet [1:15:21] on almost every single issue. [1:15:23] So why are you putting [1:15:23] all the responsibility [1:15:24] on Trump [1:15:25] when we've got two other [1:15:25] branches of government? [1:15:27] Well, Trump appointed [1:15:28] the attorney general, [1:15:29] and she failed him. [1:15:30] So he did that. [1:15:32] He appointed that. [1:15:33] So I don't know. [1:15:33] That's not the judiciary, dude. [1:15:35] So I don't know what exactly [1:15:36] you're saying. [1:15:37] He's asking about the judiciary [1:15:37] of radical judges [1:15:39] which have blocked Trump [1:15:40] every chance they get. [1:15:41] It was so bad, in fact, [1:15:42] that the Supreme Court [1:15:43] finally had to step in [1:15:44] and say, look, [1:15:44] sorry, California, [1:15:45] you can't set immigration policy [1:15:47] for the rest of the country. [1:15:48] Do you believe [1:15:49] these judges are corrupt? [1:15:50] Many of them, yes. [1:15:51] So then why don't we [1:15:52] do something about corruption? [1:15:53] Because in this case, [1:15:55] corruption is a matter of spectrum [1:15:56] between political ideology. [1:15:58] Democrats believe [1:15:59] that they're doing something [1:16:00] which is well within [1:16:01] the purview of federal judges [1:16:02] to do, [1:16:03] and it was within [1:16:04] their purview to do [1:16:04] until that was recently [1:16:05] constitutionally lifted [1:16:07] by the Supreme Court [1:16:08] who said federal judges [1:16:09] in California [1:16:10] can't anymore say, [1:16:11] hey, Texas, [1:16:13] this is going to be [1:16:14] the new standard [1:16:14] for immigration law. [1:16:15] They were blocking [1:16:16] Texas immigration law [1:16:17] in radical courts [1:16:18] in California, dude. [1:16:20] He's been hamstrung [1:16:21] at every level [1:16:22] by the judiciary. [1:16:23] 100% that's true. [1:16:24] The Supreme Court [1:16:25] which he appointed, [1:16:26] he's had massive victories there. [1:16:29] Well, not according [1:16:29] to him recently, [1:16:31] but I just find it amazing [1:16:32] that the Biden administration [1:16:33] can make thousands [1:16:34] of prosecutions [1:16:35] and arrests [1:16:36] within months, [1:16:37] but this administration [1:16:38] can't do anything [1:16:39] about Epstein clients [1:16:40] or about the deep state. [1:16:41] Thousands of arrests [1:16:42] of who? [1:16:43] Myself and January 6th. [1:16:45] Yeah, so they were able [1:16:46] to utilize the power [1:16:48] of the media [1:16:49] to paint all of you guys [1:16:50] as being violent [1:16:51] extremist insurrectionists [1:16:53] in order to get the public [1:16:54] on their side. [1:16:55] In this particular case, [1:16:56] not only Democrats, [1:16:58] but on your side, [1:17:00] people have weaponized [1:17:01] the media instead [1:17:02] to paint Trump out [1:17:04] as though he's part [1:17:05] of some pedophilic [1:17:06] satanic elite, [1:17:07] thus getting the one thing [1:17:09] he always had in his teeth [1:17:10] was the media. [1:17:12] And you guys have done [1:17:12] everything you can [1:17:13] to take that away [1:17:14] through this obfuscation [1:17:16] of Epstein [1:17:17] and the Epstein files. [1:17:18] Well, we have way bigger [1:17:19] fish to fry [1:17:20] in domestic policy for sure [1:17:21] and you don't, [1:17:22] you still don't even have [1:17:23] any evidence [1:17:23] of any of those claims [1:17:25] which is wild. [1:17:28] This is for Owen. [1:17:29] So if Trump could only do [1:17:31] one thing [1:17:32] that would make you [1:17:33] change your mind, [1:17:35] would you rather him [1:17:36] act more on the e-files [1:17:37] or where we're currently [1:17:39] at with Iran? [1:17:39] Which one is a bigger [1:17:40] issue for you? [1:17:41] I would say probably [1:17:44] bring the troops home, [1:17:45] generally speaking. [1:17:46] Bring them all home. [1:17:47] And I think you win [1:17:48] the midterms if you do that. [1:17:49] I think you save face [1:17:50] with everything. [1:17:51] If you come out tomorrow [1:17:52] and you say we're done [1:17:53] in the Middle East [1:17:54] and we're bringing [1:17:54] all of our troops home, [1:17:55] I think you sweep [1:17:56] the midterms. [1:17:59] This is mainly [1:18:00] for both of y'all. [1:18:01] I just want to ask [1:18:01] how can we get our economy [1:18:02] to rebound after the [1:18:04] negative effects [1:18:04] of the tariffs, [1:18:05] especially on American [1:18:07] manufacturing workers. [1:18:08] I myself actually work [1:18:09] at an industrial plant [1:18:11] that produces grinding [1:18:12] wheels for brakes. [1:18:14] In our business, [1:18:15] we had to increase [1:18:15] prices a lot [1:18:16] because costs [1:18:17] of raw materials [1:18:18] went up a lot [1:18:19] because it was harder [1:18:20] to import them [1:18:20] because all the chromium [1:18:21] and manganese [1:18:22] comes from China. [1:18:23] So I'm wondering, [1:18:24] what is y'all's stance [1:18:25] on how we could get [1:18:26] the economy back [1:18:27] and get the prices [1:18:28] back down? [1:18:29] Well, I was a big fan [1:18:30] and still am of tariffs. [1:18:31] What the tariffs [1:18:32] were used for, [1:18:33] people get it wrong [1:18:34] all the time. [1:18:35] They think that it was [1:18:36] just willy-nilly. [1:18:36] It wasn't. [1:18:37] What happens is, [1:18:38] if you have the North [1:18:39] American Free Trade [1:18:40] Agreement, NAFTA, [1:18:41] so this means that, [1:18:43] you know, [1:18:43] these are tax-free [1:18:44] imports and exports. [1:18:45] So if Canada imports [1:18:47] a bunch of stuff [1:18:47] from China [1:18:48] who we have a 25% tariff on [1:18:50] and then just labels [1:18:51] it Canada, [1:18:52] don't they avoid [1:18:53] any of our tariffs, [1:18:54] the Chinese? [1:18:55] Yes. [1:18:56] So what that is [1:18:57] is it's closing back doors [1:18:58] by putting tariffs [1:18:59] on westernized nations. [1:19:01] And there's no possible [1:19:02] way, by the way, [1:19:03] for you to raise revenue [1:19:04] in the United States. [1:19:05] You only have two ways [1:19:06] to do it. [1:19:07] Taxes or tariffs? [1:19:09] So Harris' idea [1:19:10] was that she was going [1:19:10] to get rid of [1:19:11] the corporate tax breaks [1:19:13] and that was going [1:19:14] to drastically increase [1:19:15] prices because it has to. [1:19:17] Trump's idea was that [1:19:18] he was going to fight [1:19:18] a tariff war [1:19:19] with potential future [1:19:20] enemies and people [1:19:21] who are adversaries [1:19:22] with us on the global [1:19:23] stage now. [1:19:24] You'd pick your poison. [1:19:25] Which one would you [1:19:25] want to see? [1:19:27] Yeah, I'm a little [1:19:28] concerned. [1:19:29] I think Andrew and I [1:19:30] would probably agree [1:19:30] with most of these issues. [1:19:32] I'm a little concerned [1:19:33] about that you talk [1:19:35] about your company [1:19:36] specifically is so reliant [1:19:37] on China. [1:19:38] You know, this is [1:19:39] something, whether it's [1:19:40] Trump or the next [1:19:41] president or Biden, [1:19:42] all of our presidents [1:19:43] have been put into [1:19:44] a deep ditch because [1:19:45] our Congress has sold [1:19:47] us out to mostly [1:19:48] West Asia, China. [1:19:50] That's why everything [1:19:50] is made over there. [1:19:52] So now we're basically [1:19:53] reliant. [1:19:53] These minerals you're [1:19:54] talking about, [1:19:54] rare earth minerals, [1:19:55] we're basically reliant. [1:19:56] Pharmaceuticals, [1:19:57] we're extremely reliant. [1:19:58] And that's because [1:19:59] Congress for the last [1:19:59] 20, 30 years has [1:20:00] completely sold us out. [1:20:02] Through bribes and [1:20:02] kickbacks, by the way. [1:20:03] And so we're screwed [1:20:04] on that deal. [1:20:05] I would say I support [1:20:07] tariffs too. [1:20:08] I would agree with [1:20:09] Andrew that I support [1:20:09] tariffs. [1:20:10] The problem that [1:20:11] the president has, [1:20:13] and he did get screwed, [1:20:14] I think, by the Supreme [1:20:15] Court on this deal. [1:20:16] He did. [1:20:16] But the problem that you [1:20:18] have is we have so many [1:20:20] corporate taxes, [1:20:21] we have so many [1:20:21] regulations, it's like [1:20:23] you're already so deep [1:20:25] in the hole. [1:20:26] You talk about your [1:20:26] company. [1:20:27] What I'd like for [1:20:28] President Trump to do, [1:20:29] since the tariffs look [1:20:31] like they're not going to [1:20:31] work now, I'd like to [1:20:33] see him get corporate [1:20:34] tax rates as low as [1:20:35] possible. [1:20:36] I'd like to see him, [1:20:37] remember when he came [1:20:38] in the first [1:20:38] administration, he had [1:20:39] that big display and [1:20:40] he cut the red tape and [1:20:41] it was getting rid of [1:20:42] all this regulation? [1:20:43] I think that that's the [1:20:44] best plan right now. [1:20:46] I think we just have to [1:20:46] get rid of as much [1:20:48] regulation as possible, [1:20:50] get rid of the [1:20:50] corporate tax rates as [1:20:51] much as possible. [1:20:52] And that is one that [1:20:54] you can mostly blame on [1:20:54] the Democrats, but the [1:20:56] Republicans went along [1:20:57] for the ride. [1:20:57] Well, Trump extended, [1:20:58] hang on, Trump extended [1:20:59] his tax cuts, and it's [1:21:00] going to continue to the [1:21:01] extension of tax cuts. [1:21:03] Not only that, he does [1:21:04] want to get them lower. [1:21:05] When he's talking about [1:21:06] regulation, especially [1:21:07] as we dive into this, [1:21:09] you have to remember a [1:21:10] couple of things. [1:21:11] The first thing is, is [1:21:12] that he did get screwed [1:21:14] on the tariffs, okay? [1:21:15] The best thing on [1:21:17] planet Earth would have [1:21:18] been for him to continue [1:21:19] to raise revenue through [1:21:19] tariffs, that way you [1:21:20] can lower taxes. [1:21:22] But how are you going to [1:21:22] raise revenue, man? [1:21:24] How are you going to [1:21:24] raise revenue without tax [1:21:25] increases or tariffs? [1:21:27] You can't do it. [1:21:27] Can I make a [1:21:28] suggestion, actually? [1:21:29] What I'd like to see is [1:21:31] I'd like a policy that [1:21:33] if you're going to come [1:21:35] here and work, whatever [1:21:36] money you're going to [1:21:37] send overseas, we're [1:21:38] going to tax that at [1:21:39] at least 50%. [1:21:40] Yeah, remittances. [1:21:41] Honestly, I'd tax it [1:21:42] at 80%. [1:21:42] But remittances will do [1:21:43] hardly anything. [1:21:44] That's the problem. [1:21:45] Even if you tax those [1:21:46] remittances. [1:21:46] It might not change [1:21:47] much financially, Andrew, [1:21:48] but people will stop [1:21:49] doing it. [1:21:50] They'll either stop [1:21:50] coming here or they're [1:21:52] going to stop sending [1:21:52] the money home because [1:21:53] we're just going to [1:21:54] keep it. [1:21:54] People would still work [1:21:55] in the United States. [1:21:56] Illegal immigrants [1:21:57] would still come in here [1:21:58] even if you had a 10% [1:21:59] tax on remittances [1:22:00] because it's still [1:22:01] way more money than [1:22:01] they're going to be [1:22:02] making in all nations. [1:22:02] Then I'd go 80%. [1:22:03] Yeah, you're never [1:22:04] going to get 80% through. [1:22:05] And that's not a thing [1:22:06] Trump can unilaterally do. [1:22:08] Again, you'd have to [1:22:08] have both houses. [1:22:10] In this case, at least [1:22:11] Congress would have to [1:22:12] act on that. [1:22:13] So I love the idea [1:22:14] of remittances. [1:22:14] We used to have, we [1:22:14] had Congress for a minute. [1:22:16] We had Congress for a [1:22:17] minute and now, oh. [1:22:20] But could you say that [1:22:21] just the money being made [1:22:22] due to the large amounts [1:22:23] of goods we have to [1:22:24] import from China, [1:22:25] could that also boost it? [1:22:26] Because China, I mean, [1:22:28] they are far too big [1:22:29] of an industrial power [1:22:30] for us to just cut off. [1:22:31] I mean, they produce [1:22:32] half the world's steel. [1:22:33] They have four times [1:22:34] our population. [1:22:35] And their industry [1:22:36] has been expanding [1:22:37] rapidly for around 70 years. [1:22:38] That's what the [1:22:39] tariff war was for. [1:22:40] Yeah, I agree with that. [1:22:40] The tariff war was designed [1:22:41] to weaken the Chinese [1:22:43] economy as much as [1:22:45] possible. [1:22:46] And Democrats and some [1:22:47] of the never-Trumpers [1:22:49] and some of the [1:22:50] Republicans who don't [1:22:51] like Trump really went [1:22:52] after him for tariffs [1:22:53] because they made [1:22:54] the same argument. [1:22:55] Well, good prices [1:22:55] are going to increase. [1:22:56] Yes, of course they are. [1:22:58] But what's the alternative? [1:22:59] If you have Kamala Harris [1:23:00] comes in and she takes [1:23:01] out the corporate tax, [1:23:03] right, the corporate tax [1:23:04] decrease, your prices [1:23:05] of your goods still [1:23:06] increase, except now [1:23:07] you're not weakening [1:23:08] your global adversary. [1:23:09] So it's like, which poison [1:23:11] you want to pick? [1:23:12] I would say, too, [1:23:13] if there's one thing, [1:23:14] if you're going to look [1:23:15] an American in the eye [1:23:16] and say, hey, we have [1:23:18] a transitory period, [1:23:20] you know, they say this [1:23:20] thing, short-term pain [1:23:21] for long-term gain, [1:23:22] that's probably the only [1:23:24] one where I would look [1:23:25] them straight in the eye [1:23:26] and say, I'm square with [1:23:27] you. [1:23:28] If you need to do [1:23:28] these tariffs to try [1:23:29] to rebalance the global [1:23:30] market and that hurts [1:23:31] us for maybe a year [1:23:32] and we can start [1:23:33] producing steel, we can [1:23:34] start bringing some [1:23:35] manufacturing back, [1:23:36] bringing Main Street [1:23:37] back, that would be [1:23:39] something that I would [1:23:40] say, okay, Americans [1:23:41] would believe in that [1:23:42] cause, but the whole [1:23:43] thing's been turned over [1:23:44] by the Supreme Court [1:23:45] now. [1:23:46] Hey, guys. [1:23:50] Thank you for [1:23:51] introducing me into [1:23:52] orthodoxy. [1:23:53] You're welcome. [1:23:54] How many people buy [1:23:55] interest? [1:23:55] Yeah, preacher up here. [1:23:56] Oh, I see. [1:23:57] Bring out the holy water. [1:23:58] Come on. [1:23:58] A question for both of [1:23:59] y'all. [1:24:00] You know, I've noticed [1:24:02] seeing a lot with [1:24:03] foreign policy, especially [1:24:04] in the last 50 years, [1:24:06] you know, I see myself [1:24:07] asking this question, [1:24:08] what kind of America do [1:24:09] we want to be? [1:24:10] Do we want to stay to [1:24:12] our imperialistic roots, [1:24:13] which is based from, [1:24:14] like, the Spanish-American [1:24:15] War, you know, our [1:24:17] acquiring of Philippines, [1:24:20] Guam, Grenada? [1:24:21] Do we still want to be [1:24:23] that imperialistic power [1:24:25] in the world, which I'm [1:24:26] totally down for? [1:24:27] I don't consider it an [1:24:28] imperial power, but a [1:24:30] hegemonic power, and I [1:24:31] think that that's the [1:24:32] proper context. [1:24:33] Americans are not [1:24:34] imperialist, and never [1:24:35] have been. [1:24:36] We don't have an empire, [1:24:37] a traditional empire like [1:24:38] what you'd see with the [1:24:39] British Empire, things like [1:24:40] this. [1:24:41] We're a hegemon, and the [1:24:43] United States will brook [1:24:44] nobody messing with their [1:24:46] hegemon status, and when [1:24:47] you guys think about it, I [1:24:48] know how that sounds. [1:24:49] You go, wait a second, I [1:24:50] don't care if we're a [1:24:50] hegemon, yes, you do. [1:24:52] Oh, yeah, you do. [1:24:53] You care a great deal if [1:24:55] you're a hegemon, you just [1:24:56] don't know that you care a [1:24:57] great deal if you're a [1:24:58] hegemon, but let me just [1:25:00] ask it to you this way. [1:25:01] If it was the case that [1:25:02] you could pick between two [1:25:03] lives, the one life is [1:25:04] there's a guy who lives up [1:25:06] on a hill who has [1:25:07] everything and can kick the [1:25:08] holy shit out of you, and [1:25:10] you could be that guy or [1:25:11] the guy he kicks the shit [1:25:12] out of, which way you [1:25:13] rolling, man? [1:25:13] Tell me. [1:25:15] You want to be the guy on [1:25:15] the hill, so. [1:25:17] I think I agree [1:25:18] directionally, but I feel [1:25:19] like Americans are the ones [1:25:20] getting their ass kicked [1:25:21] right now, you know? [1:25:22] That's the problem. [1:25:23] I feel like Americans. [1:25:25] What? [1:25:25] By who? [1:25:26] By our own government. [1:25:28] Oh, well, that, okay. [1:25:29] Hang on, hang on. [1:25:30] Yes, inside of a hegemonic. [1:25:32] Do you want to just [1:25:33] speed up the Q&A? [1:25:34] Just say it. [1:25:34] Yeah, very quickly, I'll [1:25:35] just say I agree with that, [1:25:37] yes, of course, especially [1:25:38] from Democrats and [1:25:39] progressives. [1:25:40] They beat the holy shit out [1:25:41] of the private sector in the [1:25:43] worst way possible. [1:25:44] I guess what I'm saying is [1:25:45] directionally to answer your [1:25:46] question when you're talking [1:25:47] about empire. [1:25:48] We're a hegemon, not an [1:25:49] empire. [1:25:50] I've got to go next. [1:25:51] Thank you very much. [1:25:54] Hey, firstly, thank you, [1:25:55] Andrew. [1:25:56] Thank you, Owen. [1:25:57] My question is around [1:25:59] immigration and the [1:26:01] demographic shift. [1:26:02] So my question is, with the [1:26:04] U.S. turning into a country [1:26:05] with a non-white majority, the [1:26:07] concern is that the [1:26:08] significant demographic shift [1:26:09] will change the country [1:26:11] fundamentally and America will [1:26:12] cease to be America. [1:26:13] And this is echoed on, [1:26:15] echoed in the dissident [1:26:17] to right-wing spheres. [1:26:19] And I want to quote Ben [1:26:21] Shapiro here. [1:26:22] He said in 2016, if I'm not [1:26:24] incorrect, he said, I don't [1:26:26] give a damn about the so-called [1:26:27] browning of America. [1:26:29] Color doesn't matter. [1:26:30] Ideology does. [1:26:32] And this has caused massive [1:26:33] infighting in the right wing. [1:26:35] And my question is, do you [1:26:37] associate with the mainstream [1:26:38] conservative view that Ben [1:26:40] Shapiro and MAGA spouts or the [1:26:42] more dissident and alt-right? [1:26:44] Well, I don't think MAGA [1:26:45] spouts that. [1:26:46] I think Ben Shapiro does. [1:26:47] But I don't think MAGA in [1:26:48] general spouts that. [1:26:49] So I would answer it this [1:26:51] way. [1:26:51] Let's just agree with Ben [1:26:53] Shapiro for the sake of [1:26:54] argument here. [1:26:55] That, yes, under cultural [1:26:57] nationalism, we'd want people [1:26:58] who have dissimilar values to [1:26:59] the United States. [1:27:00] Those do just so happen to be [1:27:02] most of the white nations. [1:27:03] I'm just pointing that out, [1:27:04] that if you wanted to import [1:27:06] people who had the most [1:27:07] amount of your values, that [1:27:08] does seem to be from the [1:27:10] nations which are mostly [1:27:11] white. [1:27:11] So I would even grant [1:27:13] Shapiro's argument because, I [1:27:15] mean, how would that actually [1:27:17] hurt the MAGA base to grant [1:27:20] the argument? [1:27:20] Well, I don't think we are [1:27:22] taking Ben Shapiro's [1:27:23] statements at face value with [1:27:25] this quote here. [1:27:26] I think he means something a [1:27:28] little bit different than we're [1:27:28] perceiving. [1:27:29] But nonetheless, let me give [1:27:31] you an example of something I [1:27:33] experienced that might put [1:27:34] this kind of into a picture [1:27:35] for you. [1:27:36] When I was charged by the [1:27:37] federal government and I was [1:27:39] going through the process of [1:27:40] defense, I dealt with a [1:27:42] Chinese prosecutor. [1:27:45] I dealt with, I think it was [1:27:47] from Azerbaijan, I forget [1:27:48] which country, a country in [1:27:49] the Middle East who was a [1:27:51] magistrate judge. [1:27:52] And then there was another [1:27:53] prosecutor, I forget where [1:27:56] it was. [1:27:57] The point is, three foreigners [1:27:59] that were now American were [1:28:00] involved in my case. [1:28:01] I had a free speech case. [1:28:03] They even cite my speech as [1:28:04] the reason for putting me in [1:28:06] jail. [1:28:06] Now, I don't know if it's the [1:28:07] perfect example, but I look at [1:28:08] that and I say, here's three [1:28:10] people who weren't born in the [1:28:11] country who don't have that [1:28:12] ingrained love of free speech. [1:28:15] It's not in their heart. [1:28:16] It's not in their soul. [1:28:17] It's something they might have [1:28:17] been taught. [1:28:18] It's something they might have [1:28:19] learned as like a textbook [1:28:21] concept, but they don't [1:28:22] understand the soul of it. [1:28:23] They don't understand the [1:28:24] spirit of it. [1:28:25] And so that's where I think it [1:28:27] starts to come into play. [1:28:28] There's there's an American [1:28:29] spirit. [1:28:30] There's an American soul. [1:28:31] You have to you have to have [1:28:32] it. [1:28:32] You can learn it through a [1:28:33] textbook. [1:28:34] But when you come from a foreign [1:28:36] country that doesn't live and die [1:28:38] by these ideas and practices, [1:28:40] it's a little bit different when [1:28:41] the rubber meets the road. [1:28:42] So I do think it matters. [1:28:44] It might not matter what your [1:28:45] skin color is, but it matters [1:28:47] that if you come from a country [1:28:48] that doesn't value free speech, [1:28:51] you really can't even comprehend [1:28:52] what that means to America. [1:28:53] But even if it did, let's just [1:28:55] say for the sake of argument [1:28:56] very quickly that it did, that [1:28:58] everybody in the United States [1:28:59] said, you know what? [1:29:00] We just don't want mass [1:29:01] migration from only brown [1:29:03] countries. [1:29:03] Let's just say that they did. [1:29:05] So fucking what? [1:29:06] We have the control to do that [1:29:08] if we want to do that. [1:29:09] Nobody bitches if Japan does [1:29:11] that. [1:29:11] Nobody cares. [1:29:12] They don't give a shit. [1:29:13] Not a bit. [1:29:14] So the thing is, is that if [1:29:15] it's the case that you really [1:29:17] want a democracy, you really [1:29:18] want a republic, you really [1:29:19] want the will of the people. [1:29:20] Well, mass migration in all [1:29:21] Western nations is resisted by [1:29:23] all people in Western nations. [1:29:25] Isn't that amazing? [1:29:26] They all hate it. [1:29:28] Every one of them in the UK, [1:29:29] they mass vote against it. [1:29:30] They hate it in Australia. [1:29:31] They hate it in Western Europe. [1:29:33] They loathe it in Eastern [1:29:34] Europe. [1:29:35] It's unpopular everywhere [1:29:36] it's tried. [1:29:37] If it's possible. [1:29:41] Ready for you. [1:29:42] So this Congress so far has [1:29:44] only passed 83 bills, which [1:29:46] is on track at this point to [1:29:47] be the lowest of the modern [1:29:49] history. [1:29:50] So I want this from both of [1:29:51] you, which is what is your [1:29:52] opinion on the current [1:29:54] Republican Party, which Trump [1:29:56] heads and how they've [1:29:57] misspent their trifecta in [1:29:58] government and what it means [1:29:59] for the political future of [1:30:00] the party? [1:30:01] Yeah. [1:30:02] So I would agree with Owen. [1:30:04] So here's maybe an olive [1:30:05] branch. [1:30:06] Republicans aren't doing a [1:30:07] great job and it would be [1:30:08] nice to see many of them in [1:30:10] Republican primaries get [1:30:11] primaried out by better [1:30:12] candidates. [1:30:13] I would agree with that 100%. [1:30:14] I just think that you're going [1:30:15] to need Trump's support to do [1:30:16] that. [1:30:17] 100% you're going to need his [1:30:19] support to do it. [1:30:20] So I do think that ultimately [1:30:24] we miss the forest through the [1:30:25] trees and what happens is we go, [1:30:27] wait a second, if we just [1:30:28] accelerate and we wait until [1:30:29] things get really bad, then [1:30:30] somehow base candidates are [1:30:32] going to come out of the [1:30:33] woodwork and there's going to be [1:30:34] new messiahs. [1:30:35] That's not what happens. [1:30:36] What happens is you live in [1:30:37] four years or six years of [1:30:38] misery and then you rush to [1:30:39] the other party to offset the [1:30:41] damage done. [1:30:42] And all you do the entire time [1:30:44] your party comes in is undo [1:30:46] everything the other one did. [1:30:47] I'll give you a chance to [1:30:49] respond to one if you want, [1:30:50] but then we go to another [1:30:50] next question. [1:30:51] I'll be quick. [1:30:51] Yeah. [1:30:51] Speaking of Trump [1:30:52] endorsements, I wish he [1:30:53] wouldn't endorse people like [1:30:54] Lindsey Graham right here in [1:30:55] South Carolina. [1:30:56] I've been given the thought [1:31:03] process behind it. [1:31:04] I don't like it. [1:31:05] I think Mark Lynch would be a [1:31:06] much better senator and Trump [1:31:07] used to campaign against [1:31:11] Lindsey Graham. [1:31:12] But I will say this in [1:31:13] response to the Congress issue [1:31:15] with Republicans. [1:31:17] I don't think this GOP, I [1:31:19] don't think this Republican [1:31:20] party actually likes Trump. [1:31:21] I think they're faking it. [1:31:22] I think they're pretending it [1:31:23] right now. [1:31:23] Of course. [1:31:24] And I think when the time [1:31:25] comes, they will all turn on [1:31:27] Trump. [1:31:27] And I'm afraid it's going to be [1:31:28] after the midterms when the [1:31:30] Democrats move to impeach. [1:31:31] If they do, I think a lot of [1:31:32] Republicans are going to turn [1:31:33] on Trump in that case. [1:31:35] And we'll see what the [1:31:36] Republican party was really [1:31:37] about. [1:31:37] But if we assure by [1:31:38] continuously attacking Trump [1:31:40] that especially by labeling [1:31:43] him as a pedophilic [1:31:44] protector, which, by the way, [1:31:44] he was almost assassinated for [1:31:46] the other night, right? [1:31:47] You read the manifesto. [1:31:48] He was almost assassinated [1:31:49] because they were like, wow, [1:31:50] you're protecting pedophiles. [1:31:52] You assure Democrats coming in [1:31:54] which will hamstring Trump [1:31:55] and they will impeach him. [1:31:56] I 100 percent guarantee you [1:31:57] that if Democrats get in [1:31:59] office, they will impeach [1:32:00] Donald Trump. [1:32:01] And accelerationists on the [1:32:02] right want that. [1:32:03] But for why? [1:32:04] Why? [1:32:04] What's the point? [1:32:05] That's not going to do any [1:32:05] good. [1:32:06] It's not like Democrats are [1:32:07] going to come in and be like, [1:32:07] we're not Zionists no more. [1:32:09] Yeah, right. [1:32:10] They'll just make everything [1:32:11] worse. [1:32:12] Policy did that, not podcasters. [1:32:14] We have a question. [1:32:16] I'm huge fans of you both. [1:32:17] Just want to say good job. [1:32:20] Spent a lot of time talking [1:32:20] about the Epstein files. [1:32:22] I just had a quick question [1:32:23] about both of you, your opinion [1:32:25] on Donald Trump hand [1:32:26] appointing Ronald Lauder's [1:32:28] son-in-law, Kevin Wurst, to the [1:32:30] National Treasury earlier this [1:32:31] year, who, if you know anything [1:32:33] about the Epstein files, he was [1:32:34] the second biggest donor besides [1:32:35] Les Wessner to Jeffrey Epstein. [1:32:40] It's just the facts. [1:32:41] Whether Trump was involved in [1:32:42] anything illegal or not, I'm not [1:32:43] convinced that he has been, but [1:32:45] it's just a fact. [1:32:46] Trump was in the Epstein circles. [1:32:47] He hung around with all these [1:32:48] people. [1:32:49] I don't think you can deny that. [1:32:50] Next question. [1:32:54] Hello, you two. [1:32:55] First of all, thank you guys so [1:32:56] much for being here. [1:32:58] I have a question for both of [1:33:00] you. [1:33:01] I'm a little concerned about this [1:33:02] sort of division sort of on the [1:33:03] right. [1:33:04] So, Owen, could you provide me [1:33:06] your strongest point of praise [1:33:07] for Trump? [1:33:07] And Andrew, your strongest point [1:33:08] of criticism, please. [1:33:09] Yeah, I'll make it quick. [1:33:11] Again, I will never regret voting [1:33:12] for Trump because he freed a lot [1:33:14] of my friends that would have [1:33:15] spent much of the rest of their [1:33:16] lives in a federal [1:33:18] prison. [1:33:18] So, for that, I will never [1:33:20] regret voting for Trump. [1:33:22] Whether or not I think it's [1:33:23] propaganda driven, he has [1:33:25] restored a certain level of [1:33:26] patriotism, I think, to this [1:33:28] country that is always good. [1:33:30] Whether or not it comes from a [1:33:31] base of truth or not, he is [1:33:33] constantly trying to induce [1:33:34] patriotism. [1:33:35] So, I think that that's good. [1:33:36] He's obviously secured the [1:33:37] border. [1:33:37] On these three things, I would [1:33:39] say that Trump has done a great [1:33:40] job. [1:33:42] Yeah, Trump's done a great job. [1:33:45] So, to answer your question [1:33:47] directly, he's way too pro-woman. [1:33:48] That's true. [1:33:51] I will say, I call it the [1:33:55] bimbofication of the [1:33:57] administration. [1:33:58] It's really, look, it's really [1:34:00] bad. [1:34:01] Bondi is a bimbo, 100%. [1:34:03] The faith, his office of faith, [1:34:06] lunatic that he has in there, [1:34:08] she's a problem, right? [1:34:10] The fact that they bend over [1:34:12] backwards for the females in the [1:34:13] administration is crazy. [1:34:14] Hey, this was supposed to be [1:34:15] positive. [1:34:15] At least say they're good [1:34:16] looking or something. [1:34:17] Well, no, no, I'm supposed to [1:34:18] take the worst. [1:34:18] You have to jump forward. [1:34:19] Oh, you were taking the worst. [1:34:20] I'm taking the worst. [1:34:21] What's the worst thing Trump's [1:34:22] done? [1:34:22] His pro-woman is the worst thing [1:34:23] he's done, in my opinion. [1:34:24] Just to get in, as many [1:34:25] questions as we can with the [1:34:27] remainder of time that we [1:34:28] have. [1:34:28] Why are the women clapping for [1:34:29] that? [1:34:30] Good God. [1:34:31] Nobody hates women like women. [1:34:32] I have to restrict you guys [1:34:35] to just one response to each [1:34:36] question, just to get as many [1:34:37] questions in as we're running [1:34:38] a little behind. [1:34:39] Okay, Owen, Andrew said in his [1:34:41] opening statement that one of [1:34:42] the strengths of Trump was [1:34:43] moving the Overton window. [1:34:45] We just had a conversation about [1:34:46] Republicans secretly hating [1:34:47] Trump. [1:34:48] I think I've seen you long [1:34:49] enough, a big fan. [1:34:50] You have a problem with the [1:34:51] uniparty and the way things [1:34:52] have been for years and years [1:34:53] and years in this country. [1:34:55] Given the fact that it would [1:34:56] be impossible to even consider [1:34:58] a fraction of that uniparty [1:34:59] before Trump, wouldn't you say [1:35:01] that that alone is a [1:35:03] success of Trump, that we [1:35:04] have a better chance, he's [1:35:05] making small incremental gains [1:35:06] now, but we have a better [1:35:08] chance of actually having [1:35:09] someone that someone like me [1:35:10] and you would say is much [1:35:11] better in the future because [1:35:12] of Trump. [1:35:13] And wouldn't that be enough [1:35:14] for you to consider him a [1:35:14] success? [1:35:16] Yes, but I think the issue, [1:35:18] I think, I think the issue [1:35:21] that we're going to face is [1:35:22] we're two election cycles away [1:35:24] from that coming to fruition. [1:35:26] And whatever damage is going [1:35:27] to be done in the next four [1:35:28] years, I don't know. [1:35:30] I don't know how bad it's [1:35:31] going to get. [1:35:31] But I think that, I think that [1:35:33] we're starting to see that [1:35:33] process. [1:35:34] Yes. [1:35:34] Well, it's funny to me, [1:35:36] though, again, every time we [1:35:38] go down these roads, it seems [1:35:39] like Owen is more on the [1:35:41] Trump has been more successful [1:35:42] than not. [1:35:44] His big two things seem to be [1:35:46] hinged on, and I knew that [1:35:47] they would, the Epstein files [1:35:48] and what's going on in Iran. [1:35:49] But any time we get into [1:35:50] domestic policy and what's going [1:35:52] on here, he seems to have a [1:35:54] much more favorable opinion. [1:35:55] I get a closing statement, [1:35:56] right? [1:35:58] Well, hang on. [1:35:59] I'm just answering to the [1:36:00] question, right? [1:36:01] Just making sure. [1:36:02] So, yeah. [1:36:03] So, I mean, overall, he seems [1:36:05] like he's far more pro-Trump than [1:36:07] not pro-Trump as far as the [1:36:08] successes, in my opinion. [1:36:09] Thank you. [1:36:09] I appreciate that. [1:36:10] Maybe the record will get off [1:36:12] my eyes now. [1:36:13] This one? [1:36:14] Thank you both for the [1:36:15] exciting debate. [1:36:16] Andrew, do you believe that [1:36:19] Trump could do a policy or an [1:36:21] action that would be so bad that [1:36:23] it would overcome all of his net [1:36:25] successes? [1:36:26] And if so, how would it not be [1:36:28] him portraying himself as the [1:36:30] God-man Jesus Christ, thereby [1:36:32] incurring the wrath of God on [1:36:33] our nation? [1:36:34] Oh, I see. [1:36:35] So, the meme? [1:36:36] The meme? [1:36:38] So, I think that Trump's [1:36:39] actually memed worse stuff than [1:36:41] that, honestly. [1:36:43] But sure, I'm willing to grant [1:36:44] that was bad, okay? [1:36:46] Yeah, he shouldn't have memed out [1:36:48] himself as Jesus Christ healing [1:36:52] the soldier. [1:36:53] 100% agree. [1:36:54] I'm definitely not giving [1:36:55] Democrats control of the nation [1:36:57] over it. [1:36:58] No way. [1:36:59] Not in a million years. [1:37:00] So, even if Trump blasphemed, [1:37:02] let's just say he's a [1:37:03] blasphemer, all of the [1:37:05] Democrats are blasphemers. [1:37:06] They're all anti-Christian. [1:37:08] They're all lunatics. [1:37:09] And most of them are atheists. [1:37:10] So, it's like, okay, a little [1:37:12] bit of blasphemy versus that. [1:37:14] I'll take a little bit of [1:37:15] blasphemy. [1:37:16] Maybe you don't like it, [1:37:17] right? [1:37:18] But I'm assured what will [1:37:20] happen to Christians if [1:37:22] Democrats get back into [1:37:23] power. [1:37:24] I'm assured. [1:37:25] That was a doctor, okay? [1:37:27] I thought I was a doctor. [1:37:30] You know, too, on the doctor [1:37:31] thing, he did say that with a [1:37:33] smirk. [1:37:33] He was like shitposting to the [1:37:35] media when he said it. [1:37:36] Just saying. [1:37:37] We'll go to the next one. [1:37:38] Okay, I wasn't going to ask a [1:37:39] question until the very end. [1:37:40] Owen said that there's a [1:37:42] MAGA cult now that Trump is [1:37:43] ahead of. [1:37:44] And I guess the question is, [1:37:46] the biggest split now would be [1:37:49] headed by Tucker Carlson having [1:37:51] nicotine-driven demon visions and [1:37:54] Candace Owen talking about [1:37:56] Bridget McCrone's phallus and [1:37:58] committing calumny against a [1:38:02] widow in Erica Kirk. [1:38:03] I guess, and the guy you just [1:38:05] interviewed, Dan Bilzerian, [1:38:06] talking about whatever the hell [1:38:07] he's talking about between [1:38:08] playing poker and fucking tons of [1:38:10] women, whatever. [1:38:11] So I guess the question is to [1:38:13] both of you, I guess, which side [1:38:15] is better, Trump and his people [1:38:17] who are actually, you know, [1:38:18] effectuating change, you know, [1:38:20] in our favor or, you know, the [1:38:22] people talking about Bridget [1:38:23] McCrone's dick and all that? [1:38:26] I mean, that's kind of a bit of a [1:38:28] straw man, so I don't really know [1:38:30] what that has to do with this [1:38:31] debate. [1:38:31] I mean, I don't see Candace [1:38:32] Owens in South Carolina, you [1:38:34] know, campaigning for Mark [1:38:36] Lynch. [1:38:36] Or even debating her views. [1:38:38] At least Owen debates his views. [1:38:40] I did campaign for Mark Lynch. [1:38:42] I was here. [1:38:42] No, no, but I'm saying, like, [1:38:44] most of the people within the, [1:38:46] you know, true MAGA, as you [1:38:47] would see it, they're mostly [1:38:49] online. [1:38:49] Outside of you and a couple [1:38:50] others, they're mostly online [1:38:51] just complaining. [1:38:53] No, I mean, I'm not sure what [1:38:56] exactly you're asking. [1:38:58] Unfortunately, let me just, let [1:39:01] me answer it like this. [1:39:02] Unfortunately, good people in [1:39:04] politics are very rare. [1:39:07] I feel like that doesn't answer [1:39:08] the question at all. [1:39:09] There are no good sides. [1:39:11] How about that? [1:39:11] There are no good sides. [1:39:12] There are no good sides. [1:39:13] I'll answer it directly. [1:39:14] Obviously, Trump and the people [1:39:16] who are affecting change in the [1:39:18] positive light towards, which [1:39:20] Owen just admitted, sets the [1:39:22] stage for us to have better [1:39:23] candidates in the future due to [1:39:24] these current policies and [1:39:25] direction that we're going. [1:39:26] Obviously, that's superior to [1:39:28] talking about Bridget McCrone's [1:39:30] penis. [1:39:31] We'll go to the next. [1:39:32] This is actually our last [1:39:33] question for the night. [1:39:34] But that penis might get [1:39:34] erect before we win another [1:39:36] election. [1:39:37] Well, thank you to both [1:39:38] gentlemen, by the way. [1:39:39] My question is exclusively to [1:39:41] Owen. [1:39:41] So you mentioned about the [1:39:42] problem of rising prices in [1:39:44] America, and you proposed a [1:39:46] solution, which is cutting more [1:39:47] taxes for the average American [1:39:49] so they have more money to [1:39:49] spend. [1:39:50] But from my point of view, [1:39:52] Ryan, I believe that this will [1:39:53] be counterproductive because, [1:39:54] like, when you cut taxes, it [1:39:56] actually stimulates the demand, [1:39:58] and when you stimulate the [1:39:59] demand, it actually makes the [1:40:00] inflation worse. [1:40:01] So I'm just wondering what's your [1:40:03] opinion on this because I just do [1:40:04] not believe that, you know, from my [1:40:07] understanding of economics, just [1:40:08] cutting taxes to solve an issue of [1:40:11] rising prices and inflation is [1:40:12] not the way to approach it. [1:40:14] So what do you think of it? [1:40:15] Well, I would disagree with the [1:40:17] premise. [1:40:17] I think that Americans having more [1:40:19] money in their pocket and their [1:40:20] bank account would be good for [1:40:22] them economically. [1:40:23] And the other side of that coin, [1:40:25] let's say that the conclusion [1:40:27] you've reached is accurate. [1:40:29] The other side of that coin is [1:40:30] that Americans just stay in [1:40:31] perpetual debt. [1:40:32] The country stays in perpetual debt, [1:40:34] and Americans can never own [1:40:35] anything, which is the current rate [1:40:37] that we're at, and I don't think [1:40:38] that's good. [1:40:39] I'd like to see Americans be able [1:40:40] to own something. [1:40:40] I'd like to see Americans have [1:40:41] money in their bank account for an [1:40:42] emergency, and that is not the [1:40:45] case right now. [1:40:48] I can tell you who it's definitely [1:40:50] not going to be the case under. [1:40:52] Democrats, 100 percent, not going [1:40:54] to be the case under Democrats and [1:40:56] progressives. [1:40:57] Not only that, though, you didn't [1:40:59] actually answer to the question of [1:41:00] inflation, and that's what's being [1:41:01] asked here is about inflation with [1:41:03] tax cuts with no offsets. [1:41:04] I understand exactly what your [1:41:06] position is, and it makes sense to [1:41:07] me. [1:41:10] What I would say is this. [1:41:11] If you're going to have corporate [1:41:12] tax decreases, that's going to lower [1:41:15] prices, or it should, in theory, [1:41:17] lower prices to the consumer. [1:41:18] Do you agree with that? [1:41:19] Yeah. [1:41:19] Okay, so if that's the case, [1:41:21] people already are going to have [1:41:22] more money to spend without [1:41:23] inflating the money supply, right? [1:41:27] Yeah. [1:41:27] Yeah. [1:41:28] Okay, there we go. [1:41:29] We'll jump to the next one, and [1:41:30] we're going to move into a rapid [1:41:31] fire. [1:41:31] If you guys are able to answer in as [1:41:33] pithy a way as possible, we'll go [1:41:35] to the next question. [1:41:36] I'm relatively pro-tariff. [1:41:39] It seems y'all two are also, but I [1:41:41] don't see how you square the [1:41:43] tariffs at the same time while [1:41:45] Howard Lutnick and his sons are [1:41:47] raking in millions, hundreds of [1:41:50] millions of dollars through [1:41:50] Cantor Fitzgerald, while at the [1:41:52] same time Howard Lutnick is [1:41:53] advocating for Trump to increase [1:41:55] tariffs. [1:41:58] Buying out tariff rebates via [1:42:01] companies while the American people [1:42:03] are paying for those rebates on both [1:42:04] ends. [1:42:05] Yeah, I see what you're saying. [1:42:07] You're saying there's a private [1:42:07] company which is taking advantage of [1:42:09] the tariff situation? [1:42:10] Well, Howard Lutnick's sons. [1:42:11] Okay. [1:42:12] Yeah, I'd have to look into the [1:42:13] specifics and details of that, speak [1:42:14] competently on it, with that [1:42:16] particular case. [1:42:16] I would say Cantor Fitzgerald, and I [1:42:19] think Lutnick is just a problem. [1:42:22] You know, I don't know if we'll ever [1:42:22] get to the bottom of those answers, [1:42:24] but I think that you have to look at [1:42:26] it now and wonder if that wasn't a [1:42:28] Lutnick policy that ultimately he [1:42:30] cashed in on. [1:42:30] I think that's a fair question. [1:42:33] Can you do a really quick one? [1:42:34] Hey, first day, he took his kids to [1:42:36] school. [1:42:37] Come on. [1:42:37] Andrew, you spoke about the, he was [1:42:41] talking about exporting Israeli [1:42:45] pedophiles back and saying that was an [1:42:47] obfuscation. [1:42:50] Okay, so we don't want to talk about [1:42:52] Israeli pedophiles, but what's one [1:42:54] thing we can talk about? [1:42:55] Not only did we talk about it, but I [1:42:57] actually gave him more accurate numbers, [1:42:59] which was more than how many he said. [1:43:01] Going right to your point about [1:43:03] accurate numbers, the Israelis have [1:43:05] killed roughly 70,000 women and [1:43:08] children, which is an official policy of [1:43:12] their Palestinian ethnic cleansing, [1:43:14] which is something Trump has enabled [1:43:16] and supported. [1:43:18] Would you say, is that a success of [1:43:22] Trump? [1:43:23] Like, is Trump successful? [1:43:24] So we don't care about killing their [1:43:25] pedophiles, but we care about, but if [1:43:28] they, but if they died, it's to our [1:43:29] benefit. [1:43:30] That's not America first. [1:43:32] I'm confused. [1:43:33] I want to make sure I got this right. [1:43:35] So if Trump is affecting killing a [1:43:38] pedophilic elite in Iran, that is bad [1:43:41] because it has nothing to do with [1:43:41] American interest and you don't care [1:43:43] about foreign countries. [1:43:44] Right. [1:43:44] But if it's the case that Trump in some [1:43:47] way enables them to kill their enemies, [1:43:50] right? [1:43:51] That's not America first and that's [1:43:52] bad. [1:43:52] You got to make up your mind here. [1:43:56] The killing of innocent people I'm [1:43:58] talking about by the Israeli government. [1:44:00] Okay. [1:44:01] Yeah. [1:44:01] It's not America. [1:44:02] So who cares? [1:44:03] Right. [1:44:03] Isn't that the whole point? [1:44:05] It kind of is America because they [1:44:06] take hundreds of billions of dollars [1:44:08] from us and they use our military. [1:44:10] I mean, we subsidize Israel. [1:44:11] Is anyone else sick of subsidizing a [1:44:14] foreign country? [1:44:14] I mean, good Lord. [1:44:15] Subsidize every, hang on, hang on. [1:44:17] We subsidize every, hang on. [1:44:19] We subsidize every foreign country. [1:44:21] I agree. [1:44:22] Stop it all. [1:44:22] No, that's, that's one. [1:44:24] Cut it all off. [1:44:25] Not only that, not only that, here's [1:44:26] what's funny. [1:44:26] It's like, I don't want to subsidize [1:44:28] Israel. [1:44:28] I don't give a shit about Israel. [1:44:30] Okay. [1:44:30] I don't care. [1:44:31] But I also don't give a shit if [1:44:33] they're engaged in perpetual conflict [1:44:35] with Arabs. [1:44:35] I don't fucking care. [1:44:37] I agree. [1:44:37] Pull our money out of that. [1:44:38] I don't want anything to do with it. [1:44:40] That has nothing to do with whether [1:44:42] or not Trump has been a success as a [1:44:45] president. [1:44:45] Even if I count that against him. [1:44:48] I hate to do it. [1:44:48] Even if I count that against Trump, [1:44:50] he would still have been a more [1:44:51] successful president. [1:44:53] Still. [1:44:54] All right, ready? [1:44:55] Hey, so we've heard from Andrew [1:44:57] tonight a lot about how the Democrats [1:44:59] have hamstrung Trump. [1:45:01] Trump can't unilaterally, [1:45:02] unilaterally do X, Y, and Z. [1:45:04] So why is it that when it comes to [1:45:06] declaring a war, not a war, [1:45:07] he can do so unilaterally without [1:45:09] approval from Congress? [1:45:11] Yeah, because he's the commander in [1:45:13] chief of the general. [1:45:14] Hang on. [1:45:14] He's the general. [1:45:15] No, no, no. [1:45:15] It doesn't mean that. [1:45:16] You need to read the constitution. [1:45:17] Let's go to the constitution to the, [1:45:19] hang on. [1:45:20] Do you want me to answer or not? [1:45:24] First of all, first of all, if you [1:45:26] know, if you know, if you know, if you [1:45:29] know U.S. [1:45:29] history, then you would know how many [1:45:31] times we've been embroiled in conflict [1:45:34] abroad by the president of the United [1:45:35] States, including, hang on, including [1:45:37] by Thomas Jefferson. [1:45:38] Why'd you leave? [1:45:42] Is that, is it just like a mic drop and [1:45:44] then I'm going to go? [1:45:46] They tell me I started a war. [1:45:48] Of course I started a war, but I'm [1:45:50] going to say it's not a war because I [1:45:51] don't want to get impeached. [1:45:52] It's very simple. [1:45:53] Okay. [1:45:53] It's very simple. [1:45:54] Yeah. [1:45:54] The commander in chief. [1:45:55] It's over. [1:45:56] I won five times, by the way, and I'm [1:45:58] the president of peace. [1:45:59] The commander in chief does have broad [1:46:00] power when it comes to unilaterally [1:46:02] utilizing the military. [1:46:03] Congress has control of the purse. [1:46:06] They have control of the funding and of [1:46:07] the purse. [1:46:08] Right now, the military is funded. [1:46:10] Trump can do basically whatever the [1:46:12] hell he wants with them, unless [1:46:14] there's an act of Congress. [1:46:16] Where is that at? [1:46:17] We have to jump into the closings. [1:46:19] It failed, didn't it? [1:46:20] Yeah. [1:46:21] We'll go right into these closings [1:46:23] with three-minute time sections. [1:46:27] We're going to start with Andrew, of [1:46:28] course, and then we'll follow up with [1:46:29] Owen. [1:46:30] Andrew, the floor is all yours for your [1:46:31] three-minute closing. [1:46:32] Yeah. [1:46:33] So a whole bunch of things to cover as [1:46:34] we're going over the span of this [1:46:35] debate. [1:46:36] I know that we got caught on the [1:46:38] Epstein stuff, but the reason that [1:46:39] that was important to get caught on [1:46:40] is because it's the hammer and [1:46:42] bludgeon that the left wing has been [1:46:44] using to defame Trump now ever since [1:46:46] the debacle of the Epstein file [1:46:47] release, which was a debacle. [1:46:49] 100%. [1:46:50] I'm not going to even bother trying to [1:46:53] defend it. [1:46:53] It was a debacle the way that that was [1:46:55] released. [1:46:56] Now, that aside, labeling this guy a [1:47:00] pedophile, and that's what they label [1:47:02] him, and labeling him as a protector of [1:47:05] pedophiles, all that that's done is [1:47:07] destroy him in the public psyche. [1:47:09] And when you see the alt-right, maybe [1:47:11] not all alt-righters, I'm generalizing [1:47:13] here a little bit, but when you see [1:47:14] right-wingers who also try to bludgeon [1:47:16] him with the same thing, they're doing [1:47:17] the Democrats' work for them. [1:47:19] Democrats never gave a shit about the [1:47:21] Epstein files. [1:47:22] Nothing was ever released under any [1:47:23] Democrat president. [1:47:24] In fact, the sweetheart deals to [1:47:26] Costa, as we pointed out, was done under [1:47:29] Obama. [1:47:30] They've never cared about it. [1:47:31] They use it as a bludgeon, a bludgeon [1:47:33] against the guy, and Republicans go right [1:47:36] along with it, basically, they're using [1:47:38] that as a position to try to sweep the [1:47:40] midterms. [1:47:41] And that's exactly what's probably going [1:47:43] to happen. [1:47:43] And you're going to be really mad when [1:47:45] they do, because you're going to [1:47:47] remember what it was like living under [1:47:49] Democrats. [1:47:50] It sucks. [1:47:51] Now, that's why that was so important. [1:47:53] And I asked Owen about evidences, and of [1:47:56] course, he didn't fucking have any. [1:47:58] The evidence is always, they didn't give [1:48:00] us enough evidence. [1:48:02] Okay, but what about the fact that what we [1:48:03] do have, what about the redactions? [1:48:05] Andrew, what about that? [1:48:06] Okay, that was all done, mostly by [1:48:08] attorneys. [1:48:09] Trump can't do much about that, right? [1:48:11] Every time you get into the specifics of [1:48:13] these things and these details for these [1:48:15] people, it's no different than when I'm [1:48:16] on TikTok arguing with them. [1:48:18] They never have anything of substance to [1:48:20] say on the topic, only insinuations, [1:48:23] this is what must be happening, this and [1:48:25] that. [1:48:25] But they're defaming the President of the [1:48:27] United States with this. [1:48:28] They're bludgeoning him with it, which [1:48:30] gives the Democrats an upper hand. [1:48:31] That's why that was important coming into [1:48:33] this when we're talking about the success [1:48:34] of Donald Trump. [1:48:35] They'd say that that's hamstringing some [1:48:37] of that success. [1:48:38] When it came to the domestic policies, [1:48:40] Owen basically rolled over. [1:48:42] I mean, he agrees with me on the net zero [1:48:44] migration. [1:48:45] He agreed on Trump pardoning him and all [1:48:47] of his friends. [1:48:48] He agreed with tariffs. [1:48:50] He agrees with all of these various things. [1:48:52] The only two points he seems to have that [1:48:55] he really tries to hammer Trump on is just [1:48:58] the idea of this conflict in Iran, which [1:49:00] is only going on for seven weeks. [1:49:02] I'm not going to move against Trump [1:49:04] without serious boots on the ground if [1:49:07] he's doing limited airstrikes in this war [1:49:09] to give ground to Democrats. [1:49:10] That's insane. [1:49:11] No way. [1:49:12] I'm not doing it. [1:49:13] The other problem is, is that I think I [1:49:15] demonstrated all of these successes. [1:49:18] Owen did not do a great job of demonstrating [1:49:20] Trump's failures. [1:49:22] He, in fact, agreed with me more than he [1:49:24] didn't on most of the things that I consider [1:49:26] to be successful. [1:49:27] Now, if we go back just a couple of years, [1:49:30] if I said that we would get to a point where [1:49:32] we have net negative migration, more people [1:49:34] leaving than coming in, you guys would be [1:49:36] jumping for joy. [1:49:38] Never thought possible. [1:49:40] And yet, here we are. [1:49:41] That's not good enough. [1:49:42] What's Trump done for me lately? [1:49:51] The timer is set for you as well. [1:49:53] Owen, three minutes. [1:49:54] The floor is yours. [1:49:55] So my last comment, as far as the debate [1:49:59] here is concerned, the ultimate measuring [1:50:02] stick for Trump's success is going to be [1:50:04] the midterms, which you've sacrificed [1:50:06] that you are expecting that Republicans [1:50:09] are going to lose. [1:50:10] Trump is going to be on the campaign trail [1:50:12] and Republicans are going to still lose [1:50:14] the midterms. [1:50:16] And if you want to say, oh, well, this is [1:50:17] the media, this is the Epstein stuff, [1:50:19] Trump has been against the media through [1:50:20] two election cycles and one, well, three. [1:50:23] He's won three election cycles with the media [1:50:26] attacking him. [1:50:26] So I don't really think that's legitimate. [1:50:27] But I want to step back. [1:50:29] I want to step back from the actual [1:50:30] contents of the debate. [1:50:32] And I want to make a general statement [1:50:33] about why I don't view Trump's administration [1:50:37] as a success. [1:50:38] And that might be because my expectations [1:50:40] were too lofty. [1:50:41] But this is the reality of the situation [1:50:43] as I see it. [1:50:43] And I think as a lot of Americans see it. [1:50:46] The debate up here was politics as usual. [1:50:49] It seems like a lot of the stuff happening [1:50:51] in D.C., Democrats, Republicans, [1:50:53] it's all just politics as usual. [1:50:55] I supported Donald Trump and voted for Donald [1:50:57] Trump three times because I'm sick of the [1:51:00] politics as usual. [1:51:01] I'm looking for somebody to go in there [1:51:03] and have massive reform, turn tables over, [1:51:07] shrink the government in ways that we [1:51:08] never thought possible. [1:51:10] Make a... [1:51:10] I mean, we all think Trump says treason. [1:51:12] How many times has Trump said treason? [1:51:13] Nobody's been tried for treason. [1:51:14] Nobody's been arrested for treason. [1:51:16] So I elected a reform agent. [1:51:19] I elected a change agent. [1:51:21] I elected somebody to get in there [1:51:22] and not do politics as usual, [1:51:24] but actually ram heads with the globalists, [1:51:26] ram heads with the establishment, [1:51:28] and completely remake this country [1:51:30] closer to what it was founded upon, [1:51:32] closer to the constitutional ideals, [1:51:34] closer to self-government, [1:51:36] closer to being independent, [1:51:37] shrinking the government, [1:51:39] bringing everything internally [1:51:41] instead of sending out aid all over the country. [1:51:43] That's what I wanted. [1:51:44] Lofty goals, high expectations, maybe. [1:51:47] But I think the understanding from the American people [1:51:49] and why we supported Trump, [1:51:51] I don't know how much longer, [1:51:53] I don't know how many opportunities [1:51:53] we're going to get to save this country politically. [1:51:56] Politically. [1:51:56] I don't know how many other opportunities [1:51:58] we're going to get to save this country. [1:51:59] And I feel like if we can't do it with Trump [1:52:02] and Bongino and Patel, [1:52:04] if we can't do it with this team, [1:52:07] that's a blow. [1:52:08] That's a blow. [1:52:09] I don't know where we go from here. [1:52:10] The Democrats get back in. [1:52:11] It's going to be worse than ever. [1:52:13] But that's what I elected from Trump. [1:52:14] I elected a change agent. [1:52:16] I wanted somebody to get in there [1:52:17] and do massive reform, [1:52:19] massive shrinking of government, [1:52:20] beyond just doge, [1:52:22] arresting deep state criminals. [1:52:24] And we're just simply not getting it. [1:52:25] And it doesn't look like it's going that way either. [1:52:27] And I'm just concerned. [1:52:28] I don't know how many more election cycles [1:52:30] our country can take [1:52:31] before it becomes impossible [1:52:32] to save this country politically. [1:52:35] Thank you very much, gentlemen. [1:52:40] Please join me in giving one final applause [1:52:43] to our speakers. [1:52:44] What a fantastic debate. [1:52:47] Great debate. [1:52:48] A lot of fun debate. [1:52:49] Great job.