Alan Peter Cayetano at Melvin Matibag Nagkaharap na Matapos ang Patutsadahan

[0:00] Senator Judge Cayetano Allen is recognized for his interjections. [0:07] Before that, on the same point of Senator Bam, may I just manifest that I have submitted, [0:14] presiding officer, Mr. Senate President, written continuing objection to the ruling on the presiding officer [0:20] dated 20 July 2026 on the subpoena, but according to the journal service, it will not be included in the journal. [0:32] May I move that it be included in the records? In the records, whatever is more convenient for everyone. [0:42] It will definitely be in the record and transcript, Your Honor. We will see what we can do about the journal. [0:48] Can we get back to you? Because there's a technical difficulty, I believe. [0:53] We were just under an impression until today. That's why I took the 531, then I put the possible supplemental. [1:00] But whatever is more convenient for the clerk of court. [1:03] The chair will entertain a motion to reconsider the approval of the journal earlier so that we can include this in the journal and then approve it. [1:11] If you would like to make that motion, Your Honor. [1:14] Well, may I move that we reconsider approval of the journal just so that we can include what we agreed on yesterday, which is the written objection. [1:23] There is a motion to reconsider the approval of the journal of yesterday, July 2026, in order to include as part of the journal [1:30] The written manifestation of Senator Judge Alan Cayetano, as we have done so with respect to Senator Judges Villanueva, Marcos, Go, Villar Camille, and Legarda. [1:45] Absent any objections, the motion is approved, the journal is reconsidered, and the insertion of the manifestation of the Honorable Cayetano is so included, so ordered. [1:59] Thank you, dear colleagues. [2:01] Would you like to complete the process and move for the approval of the journal now? [2:04] We move the approval with the amendment, not an insertion. [2:08] The journal is approved as amended by inserting the manifestation of Senator Judge Alan Cayetano. [2:15] Is there any objection? [2:18] Hearing none, the same is approved, sans the reading of the same. [2:22] Mr. Presiding officer, just one point. [2:23] Yes, what is the pressure of Senator Judge Villanueva? [2:26] Yes, Mr. President, I just wanted to put on record that this representation is not objecting. [2:31] Only... [2:31] Proceed now, director. [2:33] Thank you. [2:34] Julie noted, Senator Judge Cayetano may proceed with his interjections. [2:38] He has two minutes. [2:39] You may proceed, sir, when you're ready. [2:40] Good afternoon, Mr. Witness, director, attorney Matibag, schoolmate. [2:44] Good afternoon, sir, your honor. [2:46] Just on that point, ni Senator Bam, I understand as a law enforcer, as an investigator, you have to take all threats seriously. [2:58] I'll ask you the same questions I asked the two NBI officers, and I do understand they were not under your supervision during that time. [3:06] I'll ask you the same question, but you did review the whole video or just the portions relevant to the statement of the vice president, no joke, no joke. [3:24] Your honor, napodood ko po yung video, but you're correct. [3:28] I focus mainly on the issue that is being under your supervision. [3:32] So simple question, paano naging process kung anong parts ng video at ng statement niya ang paniniwalaan mo or ng task force? [3:41] So it's not personal. [3:42] I mean, if you were in the task force or as you said, you created the task force now at duty niyo yung safety ng high government officials, [3:49] anong process niyo kung anong parts ng video ang paniniwalaan niyo at hindi, ng statements niya, what I meant. [3:56] Well, ang ginawa po natin dyan, dun po mismo sa konteksto ng kanyang sinabi na humanap siya ng papatay, [4:06] at inutos niya na papatayin ang tatlong individual, at yun po ay pumayag yung papatay, [4:13] at sinabi pa niya, no joke, dun pa lamang po ay napi na pong nakita yung pong ating hinahanap po na mga pwede niyang pananagutan po sa batas. [4:23] Well, as an appointee of this government, as a lawyer, as an NBI director, I see your point and I get that. [4:30] But what I meant is that before that statement, sabi kasi niya, kung papatayin ako, I mean, the record will bear out naman yung eksaktong sinabi niya. [4:38] So this is my paraphrase, but ang pagkaintindi ko at sinabi niya, kung papatayin ako, eto yung tatlong papatayin mo. [4:47] And ang impression ko, pinagbibintangan niya yung tatlo na may plot against her. [4:53] So yun ang tanong ko dun sa two previous NBI directors. [4:57] If you're going to believe that she contracted or talked to, may kausap, siya, [5:03] If you're going to believe that may kausap, siya, at papapatay yung tatlo, will you not believe the previous nung sinabi niyang, kung ako naman ang papatayin? [5:14] Hindi po ganon, sapagkat ang tinignan na nga po natin, ay yung kanyang mismong pagbabanta. [5:20] At sa amin po, sa ngayon, yung aking task force na nag-iimbestiga, [5:24] ay malinaw po na ang tinitingnan kung ano na ang nangyari dahil dun sa pagbabanta. [5:28] At sinasabi nga po namin, dahil po dun sa pagbabanta, ito po ay umabot na dun na po sa level na ang national security na taya na po, na konfirmisyo na. [5:41] Sapagkat marami na pong lumalabas, tuloy-tuloy na pagbabanta. [5:45] So dun na po natin ito tinitingnan. [5:47] In the same video, she mentioned massive corruption. [5:51] Ba't wala pa dyan kasi yung maya kayo speech at flood control investigation? [5:56] So, same question, Director. [5:59] Naintindihan ko, yun yung pinaniwalaan nyo. [6:01] May kausap siya, no joke, no joke. [6:04] Pero ang question ko, paano yung proseso nyo o anong naging thinking nyo na [6:08] etong papapatay yung presidente, pinaniwalaan ko. [6:12] Pero etong siya ang papatayin, hindi ko paniniwalaan. [6:16] At etong graph and corruption, hindi ko rin paniniwalaan. [6:18] What's the process there? [6:20] Well, ang proseso po dyan, [6:21] ang tinignan naman natin, dun po sa pagbabanta niya, kung sa grave threat po yung pag-uusapan natin, [6:27] alam naman po natin na yung threat na yan is absolute. [6:30] Dahil nandun doon naman po yung elemento eh. [6:33] Dun naman po sa sinasabi namin na tuloy-tuloy na pag-iimbestiga, [6:37] dahil ito nga po ay umabot na sa level na naapektoan ng national security, [6:42] we take into context yung mismong sinabi niya na meron siyang kinausap [6:46] at yung kanyang kinausap ay pumayag. [6:49] Yung po kanyang sinasabi na kung papatayin ako, [6:52] that is supposed to be na statement niya sa aming pungpananaw [6:56] just to cover yung kanyang pagsasabi na siya may kinausap para patayin ang ating Pangulo. [7:03] Okay, I won't argue with you yun yung proseso nyo, [7:05] but in the meantime, there were three statements, [7:08] massive corruption, kung papatayin siya, patayin. [7:12] So, focusing dun sa patayin yung tatlo kung papatayin siya, [7:16] in the meantime, tumutuo yung massive corruption lumabas afterwards, di ba? [7:22] So, just one other point, [7:24] at the beginning of the prosecution's questions to you, [7:28] and I think the defense had a question about what can you investigate, [7:32] can you repeat your answer? [7:34] As the NBI director and the NBI can investigate, [7:39] did you say all crimes or yung mga crimes? [7:40] Lahat po ng mga pumapasok sa amin na mga krimen ay amin pong pwedeng investigahan, [7:48] muto proprio, [7:49] ganun din po yung mga krimen na mayroon pong nagreklamo na araw-araw na may pumupunta sa aming tanggapan [7:54] para magreklamo, [7:56] ito po yung aming iniimbestigahan. [7:58] At mayroon din pong mga iniimbestigahan kami na inutos po ng Department of Justice, [8:03] and by the very nature under the Constitution po ng Office of the Ombudsman, [8:08] they can delegate the National Bureau of Investigation to... [8:12] So, as a general rule, you can investigate any crime or to proprio? [8:16] More than the investigation of the crime, [8:18] it's also the protection of our nationals. [8:22] Saka po, siyempre, siguraduhin na-promote [8:25] ang ating demokrasya, hindi na kukompromiso. [8:28] Yes, but it's investigation lang. [8:29] So, you can investigate any crime. [8:32] Tama po. [8:32] Yeah, isn't that against the Republic Act 10.867, [8:37] the statute that keeps you power, [8:40] the Act Reorganizing and Modernizing the National Bureau of Investigation? [8:45] Sabi dito sa inyong Section 4, [8:48] the NBI shall have the following powers and functions. [8:51] Undertake and investigate the detection of crimes and offenses [8:55] enumerated under Section 5. [8:58] Section 5, may enumeration. [9:00] Human trafficking cases in all airports, [9:02] extrajudicial, extra-legal killings committed by state security forces [9:06] against media practitioners' activities, [9:08] killings of justices and judges, [9:10] violation of 10.0175, [9:13] otherwise known Cyber Crime Prevention Act, [9:17] cases against interagency graph coordinating counsel, [9:19] and violations of the anti-dummy law. [9:23] Tapos, cases involving threats, [9:26] security assaults against person of the president, [9:29] vice president, [9:30] senate president, [9:31] speaker of the house, [9:32] chief justices. [9:33] Walang congressman, [9:34] senators, [9:35] unlike judges, [9:35] lahat. [9:37] Transnational crimes, [9:38] pursuant to existing international agreements, [9:40] identification of dead victims in case of mass fatalities, [9:45] incidents caused by natural disaster, [9:47] and violation of commercial, economic, financial, [9:49] white-collar crimes. [9:51] Nakadyan yung law. [9:52] So, exclusive yung enumeration. [9:54] Then, provided, however, [9:56] if that the president or secretary of justice may direct the NBI [9:59] to undertake investigation of any crime [10:02] when public interest so requires. [10:05] So, hindi ba limited ang pwede niyong imbestigahan, [10:08] except that ang DOJ at president ang pwede mag-atas? [10:13] That's my last question. [10:14] Yes. [10:15] Kindly wind up. [10:17] With this may answer. [10:18] Yes. [10:18] Yun pong ating listahan na yan, [10:21] tama po, nandiyan dyan. [10:22] Subalit, [10:22] hindi naman po sinasabi na nalilimita dyan ang aming pong pag-iimbestiga. [10:27] Sapagkat malino po ang mandato ng NBI [10:29] that we are the primary investigating body. [10:32] Yun lamang nga po, [10:33] merong mga kaso, [10:34] kung ito po ay bumagsak na [10:35] sa jurisdiksyon na limbawa ng PNP [10:38] na kanilang inimbestigahan, [10:39] we can still help and coordinate [10:41] at the same way [10:42] na kung kami po ay nag-iimbestiga at ang PNP, [10:45] pwede rin pong tumulong po sa akin. [10:46] Director, if that's your interpretation [10:47] that goes against what they taught us in law school, [10:50] na pag-exclusive yung enumeration, [10:52] you cannot add, [10:53] and at the end of the enumeration of Section 5, [10:56] nakalagay nga dito, [10:57] so however, the President and Secretary of Justice [11:00] may direct you to undertake [11:02] investigations of any crime. [11:06] Why do they have to say any crime [11:08] if you can do it any crime, [11:10] if you can investigate any crime [11:11] after all? [11:13] It seems that you're [11:15] expanding your jurisdiction [11:17] by yourself. [11:18] Well, we've been doing po yan [11:20] sapagkat na [11:20] we have also our primary role [11:22] to make sure [11:24] that law and order is being promoted [11:26] through the NBI DINP. [11:28] Thank you. [11:28] Senator Kaye Tano, [11:29] can avail of the second round [11:30] later or tomorrow, [11:33] since I believe Attorney Matibag, [11:35] Director Matibag, [11:36] forgive me, [11:36] will still be here [11:37] for the continuation of Cross. [11:38] of Cross. [11:40] We'll keep running [11:40] after him [11:41] in trouble for the [11:42] review. [11:42] We'll keep running [11:43] with you, [11:44] and we'll see you today [11:44] as well. [11:45] We'll keep running [11:46] as well. [11:47] We'll keep running [11:47] as well. [11:48] We'll keep running [11:49] as well. [11:49] We'll keep running [11:49] as well as [11:50] well as the [11:50] crime. [11:55] So, [11:56] you know what [11:57] after you