A Mother Vanishes: Inside the Bhatt Murder Trial — Case by Case — "48 Hours" Podcast

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Did you have a pretty close relationship with Mamta as your daughter? [00:00:22] Speaker 2: We were very close. I loved her and she loved me. [00:00:30] Speaker 3: - How often would you talk to Mamta? [00:00:39] Speaker 2: - On daily basis, like morning and the evening. [00:00:47] Speaker 4: - That was Gita Kafle, the mother of Mamta Kafle Bhatt, testifying at her daughter's murder trial in Manassas Park, Virginia. As you can hear, she's using a translator. Mamta's husband, Naresh Bhatt, was charged with murdering Mamta after she appeared to have gone missing. On August 2nd, 2024, her coworkers at the UVA Prince William Medical Center requested a welfare check on the Bhatt home when Mamta missed a few of her shifts at work. Naresh spoke to the officers who conducted the welfare check and then filed a missing persons report on August 5th. Naresh was arrested and held without bond on August 22nd, 2024. He now stands trial for concealing the body of his wife, murder, and defiling a body. The trial is expected to take up to seven weeks. The charges are significant because Mamta's body has still not been found. The 48 Hours correspondent, Anne-Marie Greene, and this is Case by Case. For our previous coverage of the Bhatt trial, you can head on over to the 48 Hours YouTube channel or check out the Case by Case feed wherever you get your podcasts. Joining us today is WUSA 9 reporter Katie Lusso, who has been covering this case. Katie, it is so great to have you here today. [00:02:10] Katie Lusso: Hi there, thank you so much for having me. [00:02:12] Speaker 4: You have really been on this trial since before it was a trial. You all have done extensive coverage, and in fact, you were at the Bhatt home speaking to Naresh, asking him about the disappearance of his wife a full eight days before he was arrested. Give me an idea of just what led you to the home. Were you aware that he may have been a suspect, and what was his demeanor like? [00:02:38] Katie Lusso: No, we were not aware that he was even being considered a person of interest at that point. He had appeared at a press conference that afternoon. I was working nightside that day, and I was like, "Hey, have we done a door knock?" A few days earlier, my colleague Rafael Sanchez Cruz had actually stopped him and interviewed him outside of the Manassas Park Police Department. And when I say interview, I say that loosely because Naresh really didn't want to talk to us yet. He seemed to be confused about whether or not he was allowed to speak with us. And so there was a little bit of an exchange between him and my colleague Rafael. Rafael was saying, "Hey, we just want to want to know what your message is. The community is really trying to find her. What do you want to say to the community about when you last saw her? Is there anything, you know, the standard conversation that we as journalists have with families when there are missing people?" And so that night, I went to his home. I had had a phone conversation with him before I headed out there, as it is a little bit out of the way of the D.C. area where our station is located. And I headed out there after speaking with him on the phone. And I headed to his home. I knocked on the door. Somebody else answered. I said, "Hey, is Naresh home? I'd love to speak with him." He came to the door. The baby was crying in the background. And our conversation began. Wow. [00:03:51] Speaker 4: I mean, were you expecting him to speak to you? [00:03:54] Katie Lusso: You know, it's hard to say because I had spoken to him on the phone and he said, "Yes, I'll talk to you, but today's not a good day." I believe he said to me, "I have to take care of the baby." And I said, "Well, how about I just call you in a few hours?" And of course, I knocked on the door instead. But as journalists, we want to just go there and try to talk to the person versus trying to convince them again on the phone. [00:04:19] Speaker 4: I've done many a door knock where you're not sure whether or not the person is going to open the door. And when they do, you don't know how long they're going to stand there. What was his demeanor like with you? [00:04:29] Katie Lusso: He was juggling. It seemed like he was juggling a few things. He mentioned that to me on the phone that he had a lot going on. Understandably, you know, his wife is missing. He has an 11-month-old baby. She was crying in the background. I will say there were other people at the home, possibly family or friends. I know a lot of people in the community had been going. They really came together to try and help the family in any way they could. And so I believe they were stopping by with groceries, he mentioned to me, and just trying to help in any way they could. But he started answering my questions. There was a little bit of a pause in the beginning because the baby started crying and I could see her. And I said, "Hey, like, do you want to go get her real quick, check on her?" He said, "Yes." And then he came back and our conversation continued. He did answer my questions. [00:05:12] Speaker 4: So then fast forward and you're actually in the courtroom on October 7th for opening statements. Can you give me a sense of what the energy was like in the courtroom? And who was there for Mamta? Who was there on her side? [00:05:24] Katie Lusso: So Mamta's mother, Gita Koffle, and Mamta's brother, Mahesh Koffle, were both there in the courtroom, as were several of the supporters. There have been a ton of supporters that have been backing this family since the very beginning. And you mentioned when I spoke to him at the front door. The family was really getting a lot of support. But at the same time, the community was really demanding answers and they wanted to get answers from him because they weren't really hearing from him. So back in the courtroom, though, Mahesh and Gita have been there every single day. They've been in the U.S. for the past two years. They've been caring for Mamta, Naresh's daughter. She's now three years old. They've been taking care of her. And Mamta's father, meanwhile, he's back in Nepal. So it's been tough on that family. But they want justice and they want answers. And they believe Naresh has the answers. [00:06:14] Speaker 4: And what about Naresh? You describe a house with people there supporting him when it was just a missing persons investigation. In the courtroom, now that it's a murder trial, does he have friends? Does he have family there? [00:06:26] Katie Lusso: I will say the witness list is very long. And anyone who is on the witness list is not allowed to be in the courtroom. They have made exceptions for Mamta's mother and brother to be there. But even when it came to some of the supporters who have been subpoenaed to be witnesses in the case, they're not allowed to attend. And I've spoken to some of those supporters who are like, we want to be there, but we physically can't. We can't watch the hearing. We don't know what's going on right now. In terms of him, I have never spoken to his family. I do know there are several family members for him on the witness list. Nobody has outwardly said, I'm here to support Naresh, though. [00:07:01] Speaker 4: Hmm. Well, you talked to him once. Now that you look at him in the courtroom, what's his demeanor like? [00:07:08] Katie Lusso: You know, he's very quiet. He has not been saying a lot out loud. I'll say, though, during the pretrial hearings, we were hearing from him. He addressed the judge twice on two different occasions and specifically expressing his frustration that he had with his defense attorneys and at one point with the judge herself. But since then, he has been quiet. We've seen him pulling out tissues, appearing to dab at what might be tears, seen him drinking a lot of water, seen him talking to his attorneys. And I'll say that every time his attorneys go up to the bench to discuss any sort of sidebar, he's right there with them. He wants to know everything that is happening. [00:07:48] Speaker 4: Hmm. You mentioned him sort of complaining about his defense team. He actually at one point tried to dismiss his defense. I wasn't sure if this was just sort of a stall tactic, but clearly he had already expressed his displeasure. [00:08:03] Katie Lusso: Yeah, and the prosecution accused the defense of of it being a stall tactic. But Naresh stood up in court and said himself that he felt that his attorneys used the word prejudice. He said he felt his attorneys were prejudiced towards him. They he felt that they weren't coming to visit him enough. They weren't ready. That was the big key word that both he and his defense attorneys have said, that they are not ready for this hearing to begin. [00:08:27] Speaker 4: Jury selection started on October 5th, and it took about two and a half days. We're talking about over 300 potential jurors summoned for this trial. What can you tell us about the process of selecting just 12 jurors and, of course, five alternates? [00:08:44] Katie Lusso: The jury selection. It was long. It was exhausting. The first entire day was spent just asking people if they were available for seven weeks, because that is the length of this trial, what it is expected to be. And, you know, we saw those hands shoot up right away. People saying, hey, I'm not ready to be in this courtroom for seven full weeks. But it wasn't that simple. You know, the judge wanted to know each person why they weren't available. And then there were follow up questions. But they did end up narrowing it down to 11 women and six men. [00:09:12] Speaker 4: So the defense team attempted something sort of interesting ahead of jury selection. On October 1st, they put forward a motion that was seeking to disallow references to domestic violence allegations during the jury selection and during the opening statements of the trial. So the judge denied that motion. But, you know, I wonder sort of what you make of this. We heard earlier from a family friend, Sarita, friend of the bots, who talked about taking Mamta in at one point when there was a disagreement with her husband. And she testified to sort of details in regards to their marriage and the stressors in their marriage. [00:10:01] Katie Lusso: Yeah. And when it came to that motion, which I actually have right here, that was filed by the defense. They didn't want the prosecution to to bring up any of the specific domestic violence accusations between Naresh and Mamta. They said that they didn't think prior bad acts should be brought up to the jurors and they believed it could potentially prejudice the jury pool and make them take a stand. But domestic violence, I mean, it's such a big part of this case, as we did hear Sarita say. I'll add that during Sarita's testimony, there was a portion of that where the defense objected and there was a big pause where the judge and the prosecution had a lot of questions for Sarita. And it almost felt like the jury was taken out of the room and it felt like they were kind of asking her to testify while the jury wasn't there. And the judge ended up allowing her testimony. [00:10:49] Speaker 4: Mm hmm. So I want to play a little bit of Sarita's testimony. [00:10:53] Speaker 6: And what was on her face? It was a little bit of bruise on her left cheeks. [00:11:00] Speaker 7: And did you see a bruise on her? [00:11:01] Speaker 6: Yes, on the video. [00:11:06] Speaker 7: Did she talk to you about how that bruise got there? [00:11:09] Speaker 6: Yes. She said she said he hit her. [00:11:13] Speaker 7: Did Momta ever talk to you about divorce? [00:11:16] Speaker 6: Yes. [00:11:17] Speaker 7: What did Momta tell you about divorce? [00:11:21] Speaker 6: She said she has been trying so hard to keep that relationship with Norris. And he's been like hitting her so many times he was cheating her. And after the postpartum, their relationship was not good. I invited Norris at my house after she came to my house. The next day I invited Norris in my house. Me and my husband, we wanted to have a conversation like, why are you guys fighting? What's happening? And the Norris point was like, he is not happy because he's not cleaning her house. [00:11:51] Speaker 4: So this alleged history of domestic violence could definitely be crucial in this case. I can see this being a big part of the prosecution's argument. And we want to remind people, you know, domestic violence doesn't have to be physical. It can include financial, emotional and mental abuse. Yeah. [00:12:09] Katie Lusso: They talked a lot about how specifically Sarita. She talked about how Momta told her that he took her phone. He disconnected her phone. He removed her from her bank accounts. So there's that financial abuse that they're making accusations of. And then the complications with Norris's family, his parents were helping. And Norris had actually told me that that was one of the arguments that he and Momta had. She was making, and to quote him, he said she was making demands. And that was regarding his parents and their involvement in raising the little baby. [00:12:45] Speaker 4: And you know, this trial comes at the same time as a few others with mentions of domestic violence. Just last week, we covered the Caleb Flynn trial here on Case by Case. That happened in Tip City, Ohio. He was a music pastor, found guilty of murdering his wife. He was having an affair. And just two days after that verdict, rapper Rick Ross was arrested on a battery charge from a past relationship. Though Ross's attorney says that he was wrongfully accused. October is actually Domestic Violence Awareness Month. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimates 43 million women and 20 million men experience what they call contact sexual violence, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime. I think it's important to remember just how often this happens. [00:13:37] Katie Lusso: And that hasn't been lost on those who've been backing the support for Momta. They've had several domestic violence support events and are really using Momta's story to encourage women to speak up, especially in the Nepalese community if they're experiencing any kind of abuse. [00:13:53] Speaker 4: Just to sort of put it all in context, I also want to talk a little bit more about the prosecutor's strategy here. Opening statements began last week, October 7th. Since then, the prosecution has been presenting their case to the judge and the jury. In their opening statements, the prosecutor actually referred to some of the work that you and your fellow reporters have done at WUSA 9 when you interviewed Naresh Bhatt. I want to play some of that and then we'll talk about what it was like to see your own work up there. [00:14:24] Speaker 8: You will see inconsistent statements. You will see unbelievable spin as to where Momta went, where she could be. You're going to hear the defendant tell the police that he and his wife Momta had a fight. And that Momta went to either New York or Texas to go see her sisters and that she broke her phone. You're going to hear the defendant tell a journalist that Momta and him didn't have a fight and he has no idea where Momta is. Ask yourselves this question, why is the defendant telling different stories to the same question? The same answer applies, premeditated first degree murder. [00:15:23] Speaker 4: So they actually did play some of your reporting. What was that like? [00:15:28] Katie Lusso: Yeah, they played our entire interview and they played my colleague Raphael's interview with him outside the police department on August 12th. And then they played my interview with him at his front door from August 14th. And, you know, it's odd because we do so many interviews like this. I mean, it's it's part of the day to day you're going and you're trying to get answers and clarity. And I was just at his front door doing my job trying to get answers for the community who had been reaching out to us over and over asking for these answers. I went there to get those answers and speaking to him, you know, I kept asking questions and people have asked me, oh, why did you ask that question? That was an interesting thing to bring up. And I'm just a nosy person. You know, I was just doing my job and trying to to get those answers and get the clarity. [00:16:17] Speaker 4: You're a curious person. Nosy, no. So now, you know, this is obviously the prosecution's sort of dream scenario, because now it's not about what other people heard him say. It's what's coming out of his own mouth that the jury gets to see and hear eventually. How do you expect these sort of inconsistencies to play out in the trial? [00:16:40] Katie Lusso: Yeah, I mean, we heard the prosecution say right in his opening statements that his case is based around the inconsistencies in Naresh's story. The fact that he tells police one thing during the welfare check. He says Mamta left. She broke her phone. She's with her sisters in New York or Texas. We obviously have learned that Naresh or that Mamta doesn't have any blood sisters. But in the Nepali community, close friends call each other sister. And she does have those close friends sisters in New York and Texas. They've also testified that she was not with them. But then he he did end up telling police that he believed she was home the night of Wednesday, the 31st, which is what he told me. He said they had dinner together and that he went to bed with the baby and he didn't know if she came to bed. He couldn't answer that question for me. He didn't seem to have an answer for police about that. [00:17:30] Speaker 4: Manassas Park Detective Claudia Ventura testified last Thursday, saying that she spoke to both Naresh and a close family friend on August 6th, 2024. And that was the day after Naresh filed that missing persons report for his wife. I want to play a little bit of the detective's testimony here. Yes. [00:17:49] Speaker 3: So at this point, I remember going to back to the police station and letting my supervisor and the detectives know that something is wrong. No mom would leave their child. And me being a mom myself, it definitely stuck with me. And I remember thinking we we I need to do something. Something's not right. [00:18:15] Speaker 4: So what else did Detective Ventura speak about? Tell me a little bit more about her testimony. [00:18:21] Katie Lusso: She talked a lot. She actually went to Naresh's home two more times after that because she said she, you know, this this case was all over social media and the community played a huge part in getting the word out about Mamta being missing. And was the reason we started covering this case initially. And so she was seeing those same social media posts that we were seeing. And a lot of people were in the comments saying, where is Mamta's husband? Why is he not speaking? Why is he not addressing the media? Why are the police not saying anything? Because, you know, initially, police didn't believe that she hadn't just left. They had no reason not to believe what Naresh had told them. And so one of the things that Detective Ventura brought up is that after she had that initial conversation with Naresh and then with one of the friends, which we believe was Sarita Nipani, or Sunita Bhandari, those were two of the friends that were really speaking up. They had come to her and told her and other officers that they were really concerned about Mamta, that she wouldn't just leave her 11 month old child without telling someone that she was a nurse. She was very family oriented. And it was at this point that Detective Ventura said she went to her supervisors and she said something is wrong. And she changed the status of Mamta from voluntary missing to involuntary, meaning she no longer believed that she had left on her own. [00:19:40] Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Because, I mean, they're seeing her taking pictures with her child. She's just she's a very devoted mother. It just doesn't happen that way. We've seen women, you know, walk away from, you know, volatile marriages. Often part of the reason they stay is because they want to stay with their children. So that just seemed a little odd to investigators. [00:20:02] Katie Lusso: It did. And she she had a TikTok account that Detective Ventura she referred to several times. And I've seen those videos on on TikTok. We've all reported on those videos. It's her and the little baby and they're dancing and she's smiling. You can see the baby looking up at her. And it's just these special moments that that luckily her daughter will have forever. But it also signified to her that something was off because she wasn't posting on social media. And I think one of the other big warning signs to her was that Mamta was not in touch with her mother, who, as you heard earlier, they spoke two to three times a day every single day. [00:20:38] Speaker 4: Mm hmm. So there we have some of what we're going to hear from the prosecution. What about the defense? We heard the opening statements from the defense as well on October 7th. Before we get into that, let's play a little sound. [00:20:49] Speaker 1: And you're going to find, I think, that most of the police and the forensic work speaks to the Commonwealth's accusation that Mr. Bott defiled and then hid Mamta Kafle's body. And I'm genuinely sorry that you are being asked to listen to a truly gruesome and horrifying story. And as you listen, remember that your job is not to determine guilt or innocence. Your job is to decide if the state has ruled out every reasonable doubt that you have about whether Mr. Bott did the things they accused him of. [00:21:40] Speaker 4: I mean, the most obvious sort of hole for the prosecution is that there is no body. But they're also, as the defense sort of points out, describing kind of a really gruesome way of disposing of Mamta's body. I mean, there's a lot of evidence to indicate that this is what has happened. That appears to be the direction that the defense is going in. Yeah. [00:22:09] Katie Lusso: And the prosecution has said they have a lot of digital and forensic evidence that's going to really paint the picture for the jurors. The defense has said there's a lot of holes, that there's a lot of gaps in the story. And, you know, while the prosecution has said they believe that Naresh Bhatt killed his wife, dismembered and dumped her body parts, they've not actually shared how they believe he killed her. And they haven't clarified exactly. And this is yet they may do this further on down the road, but they haven't explained exactly when they believe he committed these crimes he's accused of committing. So the defense is really pushing on that. And I can add that since in the days that have passed since opening statements, the defense, when they are making these objections, they're, for example, Detective Ventura, when she was talking about Naresh's style of speech and how he talks very quickly. I think she said that he seemed to ramble. Another officer said he over shares. And the defense made a point to say, you don't know him, so you don't know his speech the way he normally talks. And the defense made a point to say, he's a talkative guy. He likes to talk. There's no doubt around that. She also pointed out that everyone, when they're in a stressful situation, they react differently. And she encouraged the jurors to keep that in mind. But she has brought up that language barrier as an issue that maybe Naresh Bhatt didn't really understand the questions he was being asked. [00:23:31] Speaker 4: So then my question to you is, is he expected to testify? [00:23:36] Katie Lusso: He has not said yet. And that was asked prior to the jurors being brought in. He was asked, are you going to testify? And the defense said, we're not sure yet. We're not clear if he's going to make that decision. And he has every right to make it or not make it. [00:23:50] Speaker 4: There was something else that sort of struck me about the defense's opening statement. I want to play it first and then we can talk. [00:24:00] Speaker 1: And in the nature of things in a murder accusation, like the state has brought, a lot of what you hear will come from observations of people who had already picked sides, who were predisposed towards one person or another. And your job as jurors is to weigh people's biases, listen to their motivations to embellish or to fabricate what time and memory, what the effect of time and trauma has had on their memories as you listen to each of the witnesses put forward. [00:24:38] Speaker 4: Does it seem like they're sort of almost trying to guard against kind of a bias against him? [00:24:46] Katie Lusso: Definitely. And the defense attorney has said repeatedly, you need to stick to the facts and keep the facts in mind, keep the emotion out of it, stick to the facts. She said the defense doesn't have those facts and there are going to be a lot of gaps that need to be filled in at the end. And she told them they shouldn't use their imagination. They should make their decision based on what facts were actually presented. [00:25:06] Speaker 4: There is sort of also talk about whether or not the defense team was unprepared. Tracy Lennox is Bot's attorney. She's also the chief public defender. She kind of spoke to the suggestion that the team was unprepared, that they received over 100 pages of discovery and it was really difficult for them to secure witnesses. Can you tell me a little bit more about sort of this new evidence that they say they received? [00:25:32] Katie Lusso: From what I understand about that new evidence that she was referring to when she made that statement, the prosecution responded by saying a lot of that was just metadata. And he was saying, you know, I can't tell you how to to process what the evidence we're giving you is, but I wouldn't think you need to go through every piece of evidence. The judge has repeatedly denied as of late her motions for a continuance, citing that this has been going on for two years. August 22nd of 2024 is when Naresh was originally arrested on that first charge of concealing a dead body. Obviously, the charges were added for the rest of it, but he has been sitting in jail for more than two years now. And the judge said he has the right to a trial fast and the family has a right to get answers. I'll add that Judge Kimberly Irving, she's been from what I've seen, she's been asking the defense when they've made comments. And I've seen them make comments even this week about how they weren't prepared for this particular witness. And for one example, on Wednesday, she gave the defense attorneys a quick break to kind of get their bearings together and come back and ask questions of the witness who was on the stand. They came back and they didn't have any questions for the witness. So I did think that was interesting, but she is aware of it. And she said that she's trying to be respectful and try to help them out. But at the end of the day, while these particular attorneys may not have been the ones that were initially assigned to be Naresh Bat's attorneys, it has been in the public defender's office since the very beginning. [00:27:00] Speaker 4: And so for whatever reason, the defense really only cross-examined a few of the prosecution's witnesses. When you listen to the cross-examination, what sort of direction were things going and what did you make of it? [00:27:14] Katie Lusso: Yeah, so most of her questions are centered around, well, do you know Naresh when you're making these comments? Like I said before about him rambling or oversharing, you don't know his personality. So just reminding people to not be judging him when you don't know that he's acting a certain way because of a certain situation or if that's just how he always is. And the other thing she's continuously been bringing up is that language barrier. I'll add that Naresh does have interpreters in the courtroom. There are four interpreters who've been swapping in and out. They are there for him, but they're also there for Mamta's mother and brother. Naresh has not been wearing the headphones. The jurors were instructed that they are not to take that into consideration, but it has been noticed by at least the other reporters in the room. [00:27:59] Speaker 4: I wonder if that's also part of the reason why this trial might go on for seven weeks or so is that just when you have translation issues, you're sort of saying a lot of things twice. [00:28:11] Katie Lusso: Yeah, we are seeing the translators. They've been very busy. They've been helping out with some of the witnesses who have been called, but they've only word for word had to translate for, I believe, two witnesses, including Mamta's mother. But they are there. So if he needs them, they are there to help him out. And he has those headphones sitting there if he if he does have questions or need some clarity. [00:28:34] Speaker 4: So I want to go back to the way we started this podcast, which is hearing from Mamta's mother, Gita. Her testimony was emotional. It was tearful. They showed pictures of Mamta with her daughter and other pictures of her. I can't imagine what this was like for her mother to go through. It's been incredibly hard from what I've seen. [00:28:54] Katie Lusso: She's been sitting in front of me for a lot of the trial next to Mahesh. You can see the pain in her eyes. We also saw her up there on the stand start to get emotional when she was being asked about her daughter. And I've seen her get emotional and kind of look away. And one of the supporters is there sitting with her and just kind of bury her head in their shoulder. So it is hard to watch because she just wants to know where her daughter is. [00:29:18] Speaker 4: Right. And, you know, let us not forget that at the center of this is a victim who you will never see in the courtroom, which is Mamta and Naresh's daughter, who is now left growing out growing up rather without a mother. And I just think about her own mother on the stand, you know, probably wanting to get answers not just for herself, but for her grandchild, who's really only left with photos and videos and memories that are probably quickly fading. [00:29:47] Katie Lusso: It's definitely tough. And I know I've spoken to the supporters and the family about about the little girl and she seems to be doing well. They told me that she has a similar personality to Mamta. She's now three years old. And, you know, I think what's going to be hard for them is when they have to start answering those questions of of where is mom? Where's my mom? I think that'll be a tough conversation that eventually they're going to they're going to get that question. [00:30:13] Speaker 4: Yeah, at least it sounds like she has a good community and a strong family around her. And she's definitely going to need it. Katie, thank you so much for your coverage. And I know that you ran straight from the courthouse to get here to talk to us. So I really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you so much for having me. We will be back next week with another episode of Case by Case. For our continuing coverage, you can check out the Case by Case feed wherever you get your podcasts. 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