2026 Maryland Gubernatorial Debate — Wes Moore & Dan Cox

[0:00] This program is made by MPT to enrich the diverse communities [0:04] throughout our state and is made possible [0:06] by the generous support of our members. [0:08] Thank you. [0:27] Hello and welcome to the 2026 Maryland Gubernatorial Debate. [0:30] We are coming to you from the Irene and Edward H. Kaplan [0:33] Production Studio and Maryland Public Television. [0:36] I'm Jason Newton from WBAL TV 11 News. [0:39] And tonight, we present a one-hour debate [0:41] featuring the top two contenders for Maryland Governor. [0:44] This is a joint production of Maryland Public Television [0:47] and WBAL TV 11. [0:49] And we'd also like to acknowledge those of you watching us [0:52] on NBC4 in Washington and those listening [0:55] on WBAL Newsradio here in Baltimore. [0:57] I will be your moderator as we explore key issues [1:00] on the minds of Maryland voters like you. [1:02] We will get to our candidates in just a moment. [1:04] First though, we want to introduce our panel of journalists. [1:07] First, Tracy Wilkins, investigative reporter, NBC4 Washington. [1:12] Jeff Salkin, news anchor of Maryland Public Television. [1:16] And Pamela Wood, reporter from The Banner. [1:19] Okay, so here's how this is all going to work tonight. [1:21] Each candidate will have 90 seconds for an opening statement [1:24] and 60 seconds for a closing statement. [1:27] Candidates will have 60 seconds to answer questions [1:30] and 30 seconds for any rebuttals to those questions. [1:33] So let's get started with the coin flip. [1:36] It determined who would go first and opening statements as well. [1:39] And Dan Cox, your opening statement first. [1:43] Four years ago, Governor Hogan left a five billion surplus [1:46] in our budget, but today, Governor Moore has given us [1:49] a $3.3 billion structural deficit [1:52] while he scandalizes our property taxes, rents, [1:55] and electric bills. [1:56] We're paying more, but getting less. [1:58] We are being treated like a line of credit. [2:01] And for what? [2:01] For 338 more taxes, tolls, and fees. [2:04] Some of the highest energy bills in the nation. [2:06] Second worst economy in the nation. [2:08] 38th worst in math education. [2:10] 21st and reading. [2:11] And crime is higher than places like El Salvador [2:15] while he signed a law preventing prosecutors [2:17] from charging violent 16 to 17 year olds as adults. [2:21] So what are you getting for all of this dangerous spending [2:24] and mismanagement? [2:25] An absentee governor who has left Maryland behind [2:28] for over 300 days of his term while he runs for president. [2:32] But what is he leaving us? [2:34] A budget that shows $13.8 billion in questionable spending [2:38] under a legislative audit. [2:39] Two billion in new taxes. [2:40] 357,000 Marylanders and small businesses left. [2:44] Guinness closed. [2:45] Six Flags gone. [2:47] Commanders leaving. [2:48] Our electric plants closed or closing. [2:50] And the key bridge? [2:52] Still after two and a half years, [2:54] not built and not even under contract. [2:56] We can do better. [2:57] We need to lower our car registration fees immediately, [3:00] cut taxes, cut the fees, control spending, [3:03] and bring back affordable energy and housing for all. [3:06] I believe Maryland's future can be bright. [3:09] I'm Dan Cox, a lifelong Marylander, [3:10] and I'm humbly asking for your vote. [3:13] Thank you, sir. [3:14] Mr. Moore. [3:15] Thank you, and Dan, thank you for agreeing to this debate. [3:19] What you all, much of what you just heard [3:21] is just factually incorrect. [3:24] But I do want to level with you. [3:26] I do know the past year and a half has been hard. [3:29] I do know that while we have had many successes together [3:32] as a state, that we are still fighting against [3:35] Donald Trump's illegal tariffs, [3:38] still fighting against these endless foreign wars, [3:42] and still fighting against these cuts to health care. [3:45] So while this is the agenda that Dan Cox says [3:48] he supports 100%, [3:51] while they're focused on the wealthy elites, [3:53] I'm focused on working families. [3:56] And that's why we've cut taxes [3:58] for the middle class and for military families, [4:01] is why we've asked the wealthiest Marylanders [4:04] to pay a little bit more [4:05] so we can have better schools and safer streets. [4:10] And what's been the result? [4:11] The teacher vacancy rate in the state of Maryland [4:13] is now down 60%, [4:15] and math and reading scores are at a five-year high. [4:19] These are facts. [4:21] On public safety, the year before I became the governor, [4:25] Baltimore City was averaging almost a murder a day. [4:29] So we worked together to protect our people. [4:32] And now Maryland has amongst the fastest drops [4:35] in violent crime anywhere in the United States of America. [4:38] The last time the homicide rates were this slow in Baltimore, [4:40] I wasn't born yet. [4:42] And I'm excited to spend tonight [4:44] talking about the future that we'll forge together. [4:47] Governor, thank you. [4:48] Jeff Salkin has our first question tonight. [4:50] Governor, on the budget deficit, [4:52] there is a forecast of a $3 billion shortfall [4:57] in the next fiscal year, [4:58] and the one after that, and the one after that. [5:01] My question for you is, [5:02] do you see this as something manageable, [5:05] or are we likely to see significant cuts or tax increases? [5:10] Well, you know, to be clear that we inherited [5:13] a budget deficit, a multi-billion dollar budget deficit, [5:17] and COVID money cannot cover up for that. [5:19] But the truth is, is that I know I'm also not alone. [5:22] Maryland has had a structural deficit now for 20 years. [5:27] And so the only way that you can be able to address the fact [5:29] that Maryland was just racking up the credit card [5:32] and just passing it on is doing two things. [5:34] You need to be able to control your spending, [5:36] and you need to make sure that you had more private investment. [5:39] And that's exactly what we've done, [5:41] where we've now actually cut the size of the general fund, [5:44] controlled spending for four years in a row. [5:47] That has not happened over a generation inside of Maryland. [5:51] And also for new investment, [5:52] we've now invited now over $17 billion [5:56] of private investment in the state of Maryland [5:58] to include the one, two, and three, [6:01] the largest investments that we've had within our state, [6:04] to include one we just had today with Enduro, [6:06] which is going to provide over 3,100 new jobs. [6:09] And so you've got to control your spending, [6:11] increase private investment, [6:12] and that's exactly what we have done. [6:14] All right, Governor, thank you. [6:16] So you saw the governor not answer the question [6:19] about will he raise taxes. [6:21] I can look in the camera, Governor, [6:22] and say I will not raise taxes and fees on my watch, [6:25] and you have not been willing to do that. [6:26] Why is that? [6:27] And I'll tell you this, I will cut taxes and fees [6:30] and say we're paying about $7,800 more annually [6:33] each family, and our take-home pay [6:36] is just not the same compared to the states around us. [6:39] So to blame the federal economy, [6:42] yes, there's issues there, but guess what? [6:43] We are the second worst economy in the nation. [6:46] You almost have to work to do that [6:48] with such a wealthy state that we have. [6:49] But the question is how are we gonna save money in the budget? [6:52] And I'll tell you, our OLA review, [6:55] the OLA Office of Legislative Audits [6:57] that this governor has and he has not talked about, [7:00] demonstrated a $6.18 billion questionable spending. [7:04] These are audits showing $1.3 billion from DHS. [7:08] We're looking at all down the line, [7:11] $6 billion improperly spent alleged by this audit. [7:15] That's where we save the money. [7:17] That's where we come up with the $3 billion. [7:18] We don't need to raise taxes to do that. [7:20] All right, Mr. Cox, thank you. [7:21] Would you like to respond? [7:22] To be clear, Delegate Cox, Donald Trump, your good friend, [7:27] has fired over 31,000 Marylanders in a year. [7:32] And that includes people like Sharnice Mundell, [7:35] who was fired by the president, an Air Force veteran, [7:38] who needed a $700 Fed emergency loan [7:41] and SNAP assistance from the state of Maryland. [7:44] And so we have not raised property taxes. [7:46] We have not raised sales taxes. [7:48] We've given the middle class a tax cut [7:50] and given military veterans a tax cut. [7:53] And we've been able to make sure [7:54] that we can be both fiscally responsible, [7:56] but then also make sure we are investing unapologetically [7:59] in public education and public safety. [8:01] All right, we're gonna move to our next session. [8:03] You can have 30, but we're gonna keep moving. [8:04] Just briefly, yes. [8:05] So, Governor, every state around us is doing better. [8:08] Virginia also had the same federal cuts. [8:11] It's sixth in the nation economy. [8:13] It's doing far better than Maryland. [8:14] And once again, you won't look the camera in the eyes [8:17] and look the people of Maryland in the eyes [8:18] and say you will not raise taxes and fees. [8:22] I'm saying that you won't. [8:24] All right, on to our next question, Pamela. [8:26] Thank you, my first question is about commitment [8:28] to public service, beginning with Mr. Cox. [8:31] You have had ties with President Donald Trump, [8:33] including winning his endorsement [8:35] last time you ran for governor [8:36] and going on to Mar-a-Lago to fundraise for that campaign. [8:40] But President Trump has taken actions [8:41] that are detrimental to Marylanders, [8:43] such as slashing federal jobs [8:46] and refusing to provide emergency aid [8:48] to Western Maryland after severe flooding. [8:50] My question is that are you willing, [8:54] if you are elected governor, to stand up to President Trump [8:58] if that's what's necessary to advocate [9:00] for the needs of Marylanders? [9:02] Well, absolutely, I am a Marylander first and last, [9:05] and I'm an American first and last. [9:08] I will work with whoever is the president, [9:11] and that's the difference between myself and my opponent. [9:14] We can't take another two years of this governor [9:16] not working with the federal government. [9:18] The reason why we are getting [9:19] this Virginia-class submarine base, potentially, [9:22] is because Baltimore County was willing to work with them. [9:25] But if Governor Moore, [9:26] if you would just simply get the key bridge done, [9:28] there's people, I think they're partners, [9:30] ready to help us do that. [9:31] But as to making sure that we're a Marylander first, [9:34] that's who I am, that's who I've always been. [9:36] I've never been beholden to anyone. [9:38] And to Governor Moore on commitment to service, [9:41] you have said yourself that you're interested [9:43] in being part of the national political conversation, [9:46] and you have spent significant time traveling out of state [9:49] on your own personal political endeavors. [9:51] Marylanders may question if you're looking out [9:53] for their needs or for your own. [9:55] If you are reelected governor, [9:57] do you commit to serving the full four-year term? [10:00] Being the governor of Maryland [10:02] has been the honor of a lifetime. [10:04] And I would not be running for reelection [10:06] if I was not committed to the people of Maryland. [10:10] And to be clear, I have now visited over 1,100 stops [10:15] all throughout the state of Maryland, [10:16] to include being the first governor [10:18] that has ever visited Midland. [10:21] The first governor in 40 years to visit Smith Island [10:23] where we brought them broadband. [10:26] The first governor since 1996 to visit Lona Koning, [10:29] and I'm thankful that I have the endorsement [10:30] of the Republican mayor of Lona Koning. [10:33] And so when Dan Cox says about that he'll work [10:37] with the president, of course he will, [10:39] because he has stated publicly [10:40] that he is with the president 100% of the time. [10:44] And so when the president has now fired over 31,000 workers, [10:49] which by the way is triple the amount [10:51] that have been fired in Virginia, [10:52] more than any other state in this country, [10:54] I am very clear, I will work with anyone, [10:57] but I will bow to no one. [11:00] Governor Moore, yes or no to my question, [11:02] do you commit to serving the full four-year term [11:04] if you're reelected? [11:05] I think I gave the answer. [11:07] I'm committed to the people of Maryland. [11:09] And that's why I'm running for reelection. [11:12] That's what we've been doing this entire time [11:14] to make sure that it's the people of Maryland [11:16] who are gonna be supported. [11:17] And when I said that we are gonna be part [11:19] of a national conversation, [11:21] not only is it because I believe that the state of Maryland [11:23] has, deserves that, when you look at the fact [11:25] that we've been the most affected state, [11:27] and arguably the most effective state [11:28] in terms of pushing back and pushing forward, [11:30] I am also very clear, [11:31] we all need to be part of this larger conversation, [11:35] because we cannot watch our democracy and our freedoms [11:38] and our, in the impacts of what we're seeing [11:41] from Donald Trump and this administration [11:42] allow to stand pat. [11:44] Tracy, you're up. [11:45] I just want to briefly respond, if I may, [11:47] since he made that issue. [11:49] Absolutely, this governor will not look you in the eyes again [11:52] and promise to not run for president. [11:54] I know you're ready to run against Shapiro [11:56] and Whitmer and Newsome, [11:58] but the people of Maryland need someone [12:00] who have their concerns first. [12:01] And you just heard, the people of Maryland, [12:03] you just heard that this governor will not commit [12:05] to serving you, and yet he's asking for your vote. [12:08] That is not worthy of a vote. [12:10] I'm humbly asking for your vote. [12:11] I'm gonna work for you and no one else, [12:13] and I would be honored to do so. [12:15] I just want to be clear, [12:17] Dan Cox seems to be more concerned about my future [12:20] than he is about the future of the people of Maryland. [12:23] And so I'm very clear about where my focus is, [12:25] and the people of Maryland know that as well. [12:26] Okay, we're gonna keep moving, gentlemen. [12:27] Tracy, you're up. [12:28] We're gonna turn to immigration. [12:30] This question is for both of you, [12:31] beginning with Governor Moore. [12:33] Under Maryland's Dignity Not Detention Act, [12:35] local law enforcement is banned from collaborating [12:38] with ICE to create detention centers. [12:40] As a result, some immigrants, [12:43] including documented individuals [12:44] and those arrested without warrants, [12:46] have been transferred to facilities [12:48] thousands of miles away from their family [12:50] and legal counsel. [12:52] Was banning ICE detention partnerships a mistake, [12:55] or is it protecting Maryland communities? [12:57] Mr. Moore. [12:58] The people of Maryland know that there is nothing [13:00] that I will not do to keep them safe, [13:03] that I am very clear that I have no tolerance [13:06] for violent offenders of people [13:08] that are going to terrorize our communities. [13:10] But I'm also clear about this too, [13:12] that the Constitution still has to be followed. [13:15] And we have remarkable law enforcement. [13:17] I've given record funding to local law enforcement [13:20] who are doing not just important work, [13:22] but also nation-leading work [13:23] when it comes to making our communities safer. [13:26] But I also know we have a ICE agency right now [13:29] that is hiring people that are untrained, [13:31] unqualified, and unaccountable, [13:33] where ICE's budget is now $85 billion. [13:38] And so if you're going after the worst of the worst [13:40] and violent offenders, I will work with you. [13:42] But when you're going after people like Pastor Fuentes [13:44] in the Eastern Shore, who has been here for decades [13:48] and leads a congregation in the Eastern Shore, [13:50] and ICE detains him, then no. [13:53] Local law enforcement, I will not allow them [13:55] to be deputized to do that type of work. [13:58] Governor Moore, was dignity not detention a mistake? [14:03] If there's going to be detention, [14:05] should detention be happening in Maryland [14:07] where people can have access to family [14:09] and access to their counsel? [14:11] I think there needs to be an entire reevaluation [14:14] about the way immigration form and ICE is moving [14:16] in our society. [14:18] That we have ICE that is literally [14:20] arresting five-year-olds. [14:22] That we have ICE agents that are patrolling, [14:24] that are trying to patrol communities with masks on. [14:27] And by the way, we ban that too. [14:30] So I think there has to be a reconsideration [14:33] about the way that ICE is moving inside of our communities [14:36] all throughout the state of Maryland. [14:38] And I think it's incredibly important [14:39] that we actually have the Constitution, [14:41] constitutional policing, that is followed. [14:43] Mr. Cox, where do you stand on Maryland's [14:44] Dignity Not Detention Act? [14:46] Was it a mistake to ban ICE detention partnerships? [14:50] So Governor Moore won't answer the question, [14:52] because he's causing the ICE raids in Maryland. [14:54] He has actually created the danger and made it worse. [14:57] Why, and I can tell you from experience, [14:59] in my county, before this Dignity Act was passed [15:02] and signed by Governor Moore, we didn't have ICE raids. [15:05] In fact, it was after he passed this in the law [15:08] that we had a first ICE raid. [15:09] And, you know, it's just a shock and a tragedy, [15:12] because when you allow law enforcement to cooperate [15:15] and partner, like Ivan Bates does, [15:18] and work with the federal partners, that's my approach. [15:21] The state and federal partnership is so crucial [15:23] to keeping peace and safety [15:25] without having to up the game as we've seen. [15:27] This is a very sad day in Maryland [15:29] because of Governor Moore's failed leadership. [15:32] I'm very clear, we will work with all partners [15:35] to be able to make sure that we are dealing [15:36] with violent offenders and making sure [15:38] that our communities are safe. [15:40] But when we are watching taxpayer dollars being used [15:43] to arrest parents out of pickup lines, [15:46] when we're watching ICE agents [15:48] that are patrolling neighborhoods and patrolling communities [15:50] and not making those communities safer, [15:53] I do have an issue with that. [15:55] And so we will work with anybody [15:56] to be able to make sure that our communities are safe. [15:59] But also, we want to make sure [16:00] that we have a welcoming environment [16:02] and we're following the Constitution and following the law. [16:06] Because that is what is not happening [16:09] and has not been happening well prior [16:12] to the signing of that bill. [16:13] The next question is from Jeff Salkin. [16:14] The Constitution, if I could just mention this, [16:17] the Constitution gives the sheriff's ability [16:20] to negotiate and to discuss these issues [16:22] and to work and partner with the federal authorities. [16:26] That's like how we ended the KKK in Maryland, 1967, Governor, [16:30] because the sheriffs and the law enforcement [16:32] worked with the federal authorities [16:33] and they worked quietly and carefully for years [16:36] and they got the job done. [16:37] You banned that with the federal authorities [16:39] here in Maryland in greater danger. [16:42] We're gonna keep moving. [16:42] Next question, this begins with Mr. Cox. [16:45] Do you support or oppose [16:47] the federal eligibility changes for programs [16:51] like SNAP or food stamps and Medicaid? [16:56] Support or oppose? [16:58] Well, I certainly will oppose and I do everything. [17:00] I will do everything in Maryland [17:01] to make sure that those benefits are kept. [17:03] But let me just mention this about Medicaid first. [17:06] This, you know, our current governor, [17:08] people need to understand, $865 million, [17:12] according to an audit, has been fraudulently spent [17:15] in Medicaid in Maryland. [17:17] That's this governor's budget. [17:18] That's on his watch. [17:19] That's far more than any cuts [17:21] that Medicaid might be looking at. [17:22] That alone could save Medicaid and I'm gonna do it. [17:25] Secondly, as to SNAP, same exact issues. [17:27] There were 1,858 people incarcerated receiving SNAP [17:32] and one person apparently won a $2 million lottery. [17:35] This is outrageous. [17:36] We need common sense again [17:38] to make sure our budget is cared for. [17:40] We didn't have these issues under Governor Hogan [17:42] and our budget director, David Brinkley. [17:44] We're having them now [17:45] because of the kind of mismanagement that you're seeing. [17:48] Governor Moore, Governor Hogan called you a QAnon whack job [17:53] and said he would never support you [17:55] because he didn't think that you were fit to lead. [17:59] And so let's get some accurate numbers here. [18:02] The SNAP error rate was actually the second highest [18:06] in the country when I came on as governor. [18:09] And now, during our time, Maryland has had [18:12] amongst the fastest drops in SNAP error rate [18:14] in the United States of America. [18:17] But, you know, making sure you're fixing [18:19] the SNAP error rate is one thing. [18:21] Making sure you're also dealing with a federal administration [18:24] who seems to be perfectly comfortable [18:26] with trying to kick hundreds of thousands of people [18:28] off of healthcare and seems perfectly comfortable [18:31] with trying to kick over 680,000 kids [18:34] off of food assistance. [18:37] The support of the big, beautiful bill, [18:39] the support of this Trump agenda, [18:41] an agenda that you have said that you support 100%, [18:44] this is brutal, and it is brutality. [18:47] And we have to make sure we are protecting the health [18:50] and the welfare and the safety of our people. [18:53] And cutting SNAP, Medicaid, and cutting healthcare [18:58] is not the way we're going to do it. [18:59] Governor, thanks. 30 seconds, Mr. Cox. [19:00] I just saw he got a minute, so I'd like a minute. [19:02] That was his answer to his question. [19:05] So, you know, the governor has a truth problem. [19:07] We want to talk about fitness to lead. [19:09] 20 years and didn't properly handle [19:12] his earning of his Bronze Star. [19:14] That's a problem for many veterans talking to me, [19:17] and that's only the tip of the iceberg [19:18] of the embellishments that we've seen. [19:19] But here's the bigger problem. [19:21] You're not listening, Governor, [19:22] to the Maryland citizens who just had their own premiums [19:25] in your state, in this state, under your governance, [19:27] on your watch, raised by 30% in the last two years. [19:30] 30%, a family of four is looking at a healthcare premium coverage [19:34] now of about $2,100 a month. [19:36] That's unconscionable. [19:37] It's your fault, Governor. [19:39] It's your fault that this Medicaid program is $865 million [19:43] under the audit of this state having been misspent. [19:46] And that's your 30 seconds, Governor. [19:47] You can have 30 seconds to rebut, and then we'll move on. [19:49] Well, it's just, it's difficult to rebut [19:52] when it's just not true. [19:54] You know, when I get a chance to talk to families [19:57] who have now gotten word that because of federal cuts [20:02] that they now are about to lose their healthcare, [20:05] when I get a chance to talk to a woman over [20:07] in the Eastern Shore about the fact that she's on disability, [20:09] but now because of a senseless foreign war, [20:12] she can't even afford the gas to go see her doctor. [20:14] You cut DDA. [20:15] That is something that is not a blame of a governor. [20:19] That is Donald Trump and the federal administration, [20:21] and we are doing everything in our power [20:22] to make sure that our people are protected [20:24] despite this onslaught that we are seeing from Washington. [20:26] Okay, Governor, and just to be clear, [20:28] one moment, Mr. Cox, just to be clear, [20:29] each candidate, when you have a question, [20:31] you'll have a minute to respond, each of you, [20:33] and then 30 seconds to rebut to each other. [20:35] So we're making sure each one gets that minute. [20:36] Let's move on to Pam. [20:37] You're up next. [20:39] Thank you. [20:40] We're gonna keep moving, sir. [20:41] My next questions are about your personal backgrounds, [20:43] beginning with Governor Moore. [20:44] At times, others have misstated or exaggerated [20:47] some of your personal story, [20:49] and one time you misstated your history yourself. [20:51] When you applied for a federal fellowship, [20:53] you claimed a Bronze Star Award from your army service [20:56] that you had not yet earned. [20:57] You have since earned. [20:59] Do you have any regrets about how you handled that situation [21:02] or the ensuing scrutiny of your Bronze Star? [21:05] I'm incredibly proud of my military service. [21:08] When I was 17 years old, I raised my hand [21:10] to serve this country. [21:12] When I was working in finance, I gave up my job [21:16] to go serve and deploy with the 82nd Airborne Division [21:18] in Afghanistan. [21:20] And I think about the fact that, [21:24] you know who doesn't question my military service [21:27] or my record or my integrity? [21:29] The United States Army. [21:31] You know who does not question my military record [21:32] of my service? [21:34] The 82nd Airborne Division. [21:36] And so I am deeply proud of my service, [21:39] and I think, frankly, it's why people are so tired [21:43] about these kind of attacks in politics. [21:45] Because my definition of patriotism was being able [21:49] and being willing to raise my hand [21:50] and fight for this country because I love it that much. [21:54] And I will never, ever allow anybody, [21:57] particularly people with political motivations, [21:59] to be able to question that or give me a reason [22:02] to feel like in any way I should be ashamed of it. [22:06] And to Mr. Cox. [22:08] We've spoken about President Trump this evening. [22:11] In 2020, you worked with lawyers for Trump [22:13] to try and overturn the election results. [22:16] You advertised buses to Washington, D.C. on January 6th, 2021. [22:20] And as violence unfolded at the U.S. Capitol that day, [22:23] you posted on social media that then Vice President [22:26] Mike Pence was, quote, a traitor. [22:28] Do you stand by those election-denying actions? [22:31] And do you have any regrets about that? [22:34] Well, absolutely. [22:35] I mean, I regret tweeting. [22:37] I mean, that was six years ago. [22:40] Really, this is political TMZ, in my view, [22:43] because the people of Maryland want to hear on this one debate. [22:46] By the way, I'd love to have another debate. [22:47] Morgan State, how about Coppin? [22:50] Coppin State is actually having a forum [22:51] on October 22nd, Governor. [22:53] I'd love to see you there. [22:54] But I think we need to focus on the issues [22:57] of the people of Maryland. [22:59] And I absolutely have always had the people of Maryland [23:02] in my heart and mind. [23:03] I've served as a state delegate. [23:04] I have focused on making sure we reduce crime, [23:08] we reduce taxes, and make sure our budget is... [23:11] I was actually supporting every single veto [23:13] that Governor Hogan put on the House floor. [23:15] I was there to support that, to make sure we held the line [23:18] against taxes and fees for Marylanders. [23:20] And that's my pledge. [23:21] And I'll just say this, though. [23:22] Governor, you said that you... [23:24] And by the way, I do respect your service. [23:26] I thank you for it. [23:27] But why don't you release your records? [23:29] If you're saying that you have one of the most [23:31] transparent administrations, that's an easy thing to do. [23:34] Governor, 30 seconds. [23:36] My definition of patriotism was when I put on [23:39] the uniform of this country and I served overseas. [23:43] Mr. Cox's definition of patriotism was putting on a red cap. [23:47] Oh, please. [23:47] And then being able to bust people down [23:49] to the Capitol on January 6th. [23:51] It is not, oh, please. [23:53] It's that when I had a chance to express my patriotism, [23:56] I used it to protect us. [23:58] When you had a chance to express your patriotism, [24:00] you used it to try to destroy us. [24:01] That's a lie. [24:03] That is an absolute lie. [24:05] It's a falsity, just like every other thing [24:06] that seems to come out of this governor's mouth. [24:09] I have been a strong and loyal Maryland [24:12] and American first guy. [24:13] I have always served my country where I could. [24:16] I never had the privilege of serving in the military. [24:18] But that was one of my regrets [24:19] because both of my grandfathers served, sir. [24:21] Both of them, one of them right after World War II [24:23] and one of them actually flew [24:26] some of the Flying Tiger planes. [24:28] And I tell you one thing, I am proud of that. [24:30] I am proud of this country. [24:32] I love it, and I'm here to focus on Maryland, [24:34] not these political TMZ things. [24:36] I mean, come on, let's get some real questions. [24:38] Okay, Tracy, you're up next. [24:39] Okay, we're gonna discuss data centers, [24:41] and this question is for both of you, [24:43] beginning with Mr. Cox. [24:44] Both of you initially embraced data centers. [24:47] Mr. Cox, you supported a 2020 tax exemption as a delegate, [24:51] and Mr. Moore, you recently signed an executive order [24:53] attempting to rein in any new data centers, [24:56] establishing new standards and also new guidelines [25:00] when it comes to the energy that they're using. [25:02] But both of you have shifted positions. [25:06] Mr. Cox, you're now calling for a full ban. [25:08] Why the pivot, and can Marylanders depend [25:10] on where you stand on this now? [25:12] Well, the data centers of seven years ago [25:14] are not the data centers today. [25:15] This governor has fast-tracked, [25:18] supercharged is what he called it, [25:20] a data center that is super Walmart-sized. [25:24] That is massive, and what he's done is he took [25:26] a $24,000 donation from the data center. [25:29] The lobbyist, Perry Jacobson, was before his office. [25:32] He then fast-tracked an MDE permit, [25:34] which I have in my notes, [25:36] and it gave the Morgantown power plant [25:38] over to, fast-tracking that to the data center. [25:42] That's not a data center producing its own power. [25:44] We have a power grid problem. [25:46] We have constant brownouts beginning to happen. [25:48] It's actually on BGE notices. [25:51] And instead, this governor is focused [25:53] on his political connections [25:55] and on what brings in the most support for his campaign. [25:58] You know, I will do something much different. [26:00] I've called for a moratorium. [26:02] Governor Moore has refused to do so. [26:04] I will make sure the people of Maryland [26:05] are protected in their water, [26:07] in their land, and in the future. [26:09] And I pledge that to the Maryland people. [26:11] Governor Moore, why the pivot? [26:12] And can Marylanders depend on where you are now [26:14] on this issue? [26:15] You know, Mr. Cox, the reason that I invited you [26:17] to debate was to have a conversation [26:19] that the people of Maryland deserve. [26:20] Excuse me? [26:21] And to watch you lie to them for an hour. [26:24] But let me explain to you about my progression on data centers. [26:28] It's twofold. [26:28] One is because I listen to the people. [26:32] And we do know, and I actually agree, [26:33] we are watching data centers that are now having [26:35] a greater pull and a greater draw. [26:37] But that's also happening simultaneously, [26:39] while we have Donald Trump, who has removed all guardrails, [26:44] because he has called this growth of data centers essential [26:47] to beating China, and has called AI a hoax. [26:51] And so it is important that we step in. [26:52] And it's why I signed amongst the most stringent EOs, [26:55] executive orders in the country, [26:57] saying that data centers need to bring their own energy [26:59] and their power, we wouldn't pay an extra cent, [27:01] that they need to make sure that they are not polluting [27:03] our air or our water, they need to hire local union workers, [27:06] and local jurisdictions get the final say. [27:08] And so, despite the fact that Dan Cox tried to usher them in [27:11] with multi-million dollar tax incentives, [27:13] I have said that if local jurisdictions say no, [27:16] that is the final answer. [27:17] Data centers do not get to write the rules, we do. [27:19] Mr. Cox, you want 30? [27:20] The political theater, ladies and gentlemen, [27:22] that's what you're seeing here. [27:24] The executive order so-called does not put a moratorium, [27:26] even though a majority of counties have done so. [27:29] Instead, it gives special review through a task force [27:32] of these major mega data centers that the governor said [27:36] in front of cameras that he wants to supercharge. [27:39] That's not good for Maryland. [27:40] I will always stand with Maryland. [27:42] This governor wants to pave over your farmlands [27:46] with data centers, he wants to put solar panels [27:47] on all of our eastern shore farm fields, [27:49] and he wants to take up our only Atlantic port [27:52] to the ocean with his wind project, [27:54] which is a foreign wind project. [27:56] But I'm speaking for the people of Maryland. [27:57] I'll defend our state. [27:59] Governor, do you want 30 or are we moving on? [28:00] Let's just move on. [28:01] Let's move on. [28:02] Jeff. [28:03] Mr. Moore, for motorists sitting in traffic at the tunnels, [28:08] because there is no key bridge, [28:09] for people in the Washington suburbs waiting for the purple line [28:14] to be completed, for people in Baltimore waiting to see [28:17] if there's going to be a red line. [28:19] Can you say that you're confident in the ability of our state [28:24] to get big projects done on time, on budget? [28:32] After seeing this project up close, [28:35] this will be open in record time. [28:38] Speaking about the key bridge, those were not my words. [28:41] Those are the words of Republican Congressman Steve Womack [28:45] from Arkansas after getting a chance to see it up close. [28:48] And saying that being able to off-ramp [28:51] was the best possible outcome for the public [28:54] and was an important cost-saving measure, [28:56] those were not my words. [28:57] Those are the words of Secretary Sean Duffy, [28:59] the U.S. Secretary of Transportation. [29:02] I'm proud of the fact that when one of Maryland's [29:05] most remarkable tragedies happened, deadly tragedies, [29:09] that we're able to bring closure and comfort to the families, [29:11] make sure that all of our workers were cared for, [29:14] reopen the federal channel in record time, [29:16] and now are in the process of having a two-mile bridge [29:20] that despite it taking 10 years to build the initial key bridge, [29:24] we are now going to have it done in a fraction of the time. [29:28] And it has been Democrats and Republicans [29:30] who have chosen to work together to get this done, [29:33] and we are not going to be distracted by MAGA talking points [29:37] or political attacks. [29:38] Governor, thank you. [29:39] This is Maryland talking points. [29:41] I've been out to Dundalk, Governor. [29:42] I don't see that you have spent much time there, [29:44] but the people of Dundalk have had to change their doctors, [29:47] change their whole lives. [29:49] Some of them have had to move. [29:50] Anne Arundel County also very much concerned about this. [29:53] The people of Maryland are upset because two and a half years, [29:57] there's no bridge, and there's not even a contract. [29:59] I got a text last night from somebody who just got a reach out [30:02] from your administration asking for bids on more cleanup. [30:06] There's not a demolition finished yet, [30:07] and yet your little website says that it's done. [30:10] Well, guess what? [30:11] People can't drive on a website. [30:13] They need a bridge, and I'll build it. [30:15] And, you know, Governor Hogan built the Harry Nice Bridge [30:18] in under two years, or about two years, [30:21] and under budget, three months before the time. [30:24] Now, the Harry Nice Bridge is interesting [30:26] because it also goes over a major federal waterway. [30:28] It also is a 1.7 mile. [30:29] Actually, Key Bridge is only 1.6 mile. [30:32] But it has a deeper channel. [30:33] It's 82 feet. [30:34] And this bridge, the Key Bridge, is only 50 feet. [30:37] So there's no excuses, but I'm holding here in my hand. [30:39] I just want to see my notes. [30:41] It's the Turtle Vibrations Permit, 69 pages. [30:45] You know, that is just unconscionable. [30:48] We're going to keep moving, Mr. Cox. [30:49] 30 seconds for the governor. [30:52] I thought I had more time on the clock. [30:53] I'm sorry, went red and went blank. [30:55] I'm sorry. [30:55] That's fine. [30:56] When you think about the fact that the initial Key Bridge [30:59] took about a decade to build, [31:01] when you think about the fact that the closest comp [31:02] that we have is probably the Gordie Howe Bridge, [31:04] which took about 24 years to build. [31:07] The fact that we are going to have this done in record time, [31:10] in both the response and also the rebuild, [31:13] is not just important, it's noticeable. [31:15] It's notable. [31:15] And it's notable for Democrats and Republicans [31:18] and anybody who's serious on this. [31:19] I understand the urgency. [31:22] And we are moving as fast as possible [31:23] to get this bridge done. [31:25] Because while this bridge fell during our time, [31:28] was hit and collapsed during our time, [31:30] I'm intent on being the governor [31:32] that is going to cut the ribbon [31:33] and they get it reopened in record time. [31:36] Governor, we'll keep moving. [31:37] You can have that 30 if you want. [31:37] If I could do the 30, I'd like to respond to that briefly. [31:39] Let's go. [31:40] You know, this governor has been out of our state [31:42] for almost a year of his entire term. [31:44] And I've talked to the contractors. [31:46] The first contractor, Keywood, I asked some of their people, [31:49] I won't say who, but they told me [31:51] there was a turtle vibrations permit [31:53] that it was 12 hours on, 12 hours off, [31:55] and then if they see a turtle, [31:56] they have to email the government, [31:58] and it takes them hours and hours [31:59] before they can restart. [32:01] I will build the bridge with 24-7. [32:03] We need to have around the clock. [32:04] That's the way it needs to happen. [32:06] I love turtles too, but I love Dundalk more. [32:08] So I think when you look at the governor [32:10] being out of our state and the new contractors, [32:12] and they're telling me that there's not any way [32:14] you're going to get this done by 2030, governor. [32:16] We're going to keep moving. [32:17] That's very unfortunate. [32:18] We're going to keep moving. Pam. [32:19] Thank you. [32:20] Maryland policymakers have wrestled with the issue [32:23] of juvenile justice in recent years. [32:25] When it comes to young people [32:27] who are committing serious crimes, [32:29] what do you believe serves them and the community best [32:32] in terms of both consequences and rehabilitation? [32:35] This goes first to Mr. Cox. [32:38] I'm sorry, could you restate the question? [32:39] On juvenile justice, what is your view [32:41] of what serves young offenders and the community best [32:45] in terms of both consequences and rehabilitation? [32:49] So I think when you hold juveniles accountable, [32:52] I showed up in Baltimore at the 7-Eleven [32:54] where the 74-year-old gentleman was jumped [32:57] and beaten almost to death and, you know, [33:00] I talked with the young people there. [33:01] I talked with the folks there. [33:02] They want accountability. [33:04] They also need to have rec and tech. [33:06] They need rec centers built. [33:08] Instead, we see 800 million, I think, [33:10] was transferred from this governor's budget [33:12] over to a potential rec center. [33:14] I'm understanding that there's now a federal investigation [33:17] because there's no rec center. [33:18] We need to make sure that we also have tech opportunities [33:21] for our youth and to build and expand activities. [33:23] I'm calling for a dirt bike competition in the vacant lots [33:26] because that will help get the dirt bikes off the road. [33:29] And I think also when we expand church [33:31] and community outreach programs, that will help. [33:34] But here's the fact. [33:35] The governor's crime policy has done nothing [33:37] for the 12-year-old girl that was shot to death [33:39] just Saturday in West Baltimore, [33:41] done nothing for the 12-year-old stealing cars [33:42] and killing the 69-year-old man last week [33:44] or the 52-year-old father of five last month. [33:47] That is a problem of this governor. [33:50] He signed the Youth Charging Reform Act [33:52] and it's gonna make things worse. [33:54] Every single state's attorney opposed it, [33:56] including Ivan Bates and this governor signed it anyway. [33:58] Governor Moore. [34:00] There is nothing that I take more seriously [34:01] than public safety. [34:03] There's nothing that I take more seriously [34:05] than making sure that people can feel safe [34:06] in their neighborhoods and their communities [34:08] and in their own skin. [34:09] I take accountability very seriously [34:11] and the people of Maryland know that. [34:13] We've made the largest investments [34:14] in local law enforcement in our state's history [34:16] and we are having amongst the fastest drops [34:18] in violent crime in America. [34:20] But I know that there is still more work to do [34:21] and I know that because I know people like Crystal Gonzalez [34:25] whose daughter was killed in a July 4th party [34:30] and I promised Crystal that I would not rest [34:34] until no parent has to feel the pain that she is feeling. [34:38] And so there is nothing that we will not do [34:40] to make sure that accountability comes to violent offenders [34:44] but also making sure that we can actually focus [34:46] on rehabilitation because I was one of those kids. [34:50] I had a kid, I had handcuffs on my wrist [34:51] by the time I was 11 years old and for kids like me, [34:55] making sure that we can create pathways [34:57] for them to imagine themselves in spaces bigger [35:00] than where they're in right now has got to be important. [35:02] It's got to be about both accountability [35:04] and opportunities for young people. [35:06] Okay, sir, thank you. [35:07] Tracy, 30 seconds, go ahead. [35:09] You know, I'm speaking for Josh, [35:11] I'm speaking for Darren, I'm speaking for Kenny, [35:14] I'm speaking for the people of Baltimore City, [35:16] I'm speaking for every single Marylander [35:18] when I say governor, you're cooking the books on crime. [35:21] When you sign a Youth Charging Reform Act [35:23] that every prosecutor opposes [35:25] because it will allow first degree offenders [35:28] to not be charged as adults, that's unconscionable, [35:31] including use of illegal machine guns by a minor. [35:34] That's horrific. [35:35] The fact is the governor divide every prosecutor [35:37] in this state, it's making everyone less safe. [35:40] And here we are, yes, and I applaud Ivan Bates [35:44] and others for reducing crime, [35:45] but we're still four times higher [35:48] in our homicide rate than El Salvador. [35:50] We're not going to give the governor a chance to respond. [35:51] Cooking the books on crime was what he said. [35:53] We're not cooking the books, [35:54] we're not doing turtle vibrations. [35:57] It's right here, would you like to read your permit? [35:59] This is the kind of thing that, frankly, [36:03] this is the problem that people have in politics, [36:06] this is the problem that people have [36:07] with the entire MAGA agenda, [36:09] and the fact that you and both your close friends [36:12] seem to have a very, very conspicuous relationship [36:15] with the truth and with reality. [36:18] And Dan, you have made a habit of denying results, [36:21] election results and otherwise. [36:22] So please do not deny the results that we have had [36:25] when it comes to public safety in the state of Maryland. [36:26] Okay, sir, thank you. [36:27] You know, if I could just briefly, [36:28] this governor stands with the president on data centers. [36:32] I do not, and I'm going to stand [36:34] with the people of Maryland instead. [36:35] We're going to keep moving with Tracy here. [36:37] Yeah, gentlemen, we're going to discuss [36:38] the FBI headquarters beginning with Mr. Moore. [36:40] Maryland's attorney general is suing to prevent [36:42] the White House from overturning Congress's decision [36:45] to locate the new FBI headquarters in Greenbelt. [36:48] Mr. Moore, given the broader reduction in federal jobs [36:52] that we're experiencing, should Maryland continue [36:54] to fight for federal agencies like the FBI? [36:56] Is this a good use of taxpayer dollars? [36:58] Absolutely, it should, because what the president did [37:00] was illegal. [37:01] He stood up at a press conference and said [37:03] he does not want the FBI building going to the state [37:05] of Maryland because we are a liberal state. [37:07] That is illegal, because the state of Maryland won that [37:10] in a process that was a decade-long process. [37:13] But frankly, it's bigger than the FBI building. [37:16] It's about the fact that the president of the United States [37:18] has tried to take a sledgehammer to all of our federal agencies. [37:21] He's trying to dismantle the Department of Education. [37:23] He's fired more military veterans [37:25] than we have seen now in generations. [37:27] And so it is the reason why we've got to make sure [37:29] we're both growing an economy and diversifying [37:31] off of Washington, D.C. [37:32] So we will fight for the FBI building. [37:34] But also, the times that we have been going out [37:37] and actually building businesses and bringing businesses down, [37:40] do you know how Samsung Biologics chose Maryland [37:43] to have their first manufacturing facility? [37:45] How Andurl chose Maryland to now bring 3,100 jobs? [37:49] How AstraZeneca now made the largest private sector investment [37:53] in Maryland until Andurl and created over 2,600 jobs? [37:57] It's because my job is to go out there [38:00] and bring these businesses to Maryland, [38:01] and I'm not going to stop. [38:03] We'd have over $17 billion of private investment [38:05] in Maryland just during our term. [38:07] Okay, Governor, thank you, Mr. Cox. [38:08] Mr. Cox, given your past criticism of the- [38:09] If I could respond, please- [38:11] Well, I have a question for you on the same topic. [38:12] Oh, yes, ma'am. Thank you. [38:13] Okay, so given your past criticism of the FBI [38:16] and its investigation into President Trump, [38:18] do you support bringing the headquarters [38:21] to Prince George's County, [38:22] and do you believe that this lawsuit [38:23] is a good use of taxpayer dollars? [38:26] Well, I'm not going to comment on a lawsuit, [38:27] but I do believe that we need to have more industry. [38:29] I do believe we need to have more jobs, [38:31] and I think it would be a good thing for Maryland. [38:33] And I think it's unfortunate that under this governor, [38:36] and I would say, I think it's because [38:37] he's been out of state for almost a year, [38:40] that not only, and I agree with the governor on this, [38:42] it is a broader problem. [38:44] Not only has the FBI been lost, [38:46] but we're losing, we've lost six flags. [38:48] Guinness, 357,000 Marylanders and small businesses. [38:52] Our electric plants have been closed. [38:53] The commander's leaving. [38:54] Look, two billion in new taxes [38:57] is chasing our Maryland citizens out of this state, [39:00] and that is unconscionable. [39:01] We've had 40,000 estimated tax lien sales just this year, [39:06] while this governor was in Vegas, in Michigan, [39:09] in South Carolina, and the people of Maryland [39:12] are crying out for somebody to simply be present, [39:14] to make sure they're represented, [39:16] and I intend to do that. [39:17] To be clear, you support the FBI coming to Greenbelt? [39:20] Yes. [39:21] Thank you. [39:22] Do you want to respond or no? [39:23] Yes, please. [39:24] I just want to add some facts to what you just heard. [39:29] During our time in office, [39:31] there have been over 64,000 new businesses [39:34] that have either started or come to the state of Maryland, [39:37] and that includes large businesses, [39:38] like we talked about with Endural and Samsung Biologics, [39:41] but also businesses like Sharon, [39:44] who's opening up Bed and Breakfast [39:45] and now just opened up her third, [39:46] where she has one in Montgomery County, [39:48] one in Anne Arunda County, [39:49] and just opened up another one over in Baltimore City. [39:52] That the job growth in Maryland [39:54] is now almost double the national average [39:57] over the past six months, [39:58] and that the population growth in Maryland [40:00] is now the highest and the fastest population growth [40:03] that we have seen in over a decade. [40:05] Okay, Governor. [40:05] These are the facts. [40:06] Thank you, sir. [40:07] If I could real briefly. [40:08] 30 seconds, right now. [40:09] The reason that we're seeing our businesses [40:11] and our citizens flee, Governor, [40:13] is because you have not handled the state well, [40:16] and you have raised two billion in taxes [40:18] on the backs of Marylanders to pay for it, [40:20] and the end result is we're still in the hole by three billion [40:23] and looking at worse, [40:24] we have some of the highest electric bills in the nation [40:27] shutting down, that's probably why we've had [40:30] so many restaurants and grocery stores close, [40:32] and instead of making sure that changes [40:35] by opening new power options, [40:36] you're trying to close down Brandon Shores, [40:38] and instead we see $72,000 in donations [40:41] to yours and the Lieutenant Governor's campaigns [40:44] from B, G, and E. [40:45] That's unconscionable, and Exelon. [40:47] That's unconscionable, [40:47] and I'm gonna make sure we represent [40:49] the people of Maryland well. [40:50] We'll move to Jeff. [40:51] Mr. Cox, the new State Reparations Commission [40:55] is starting work. [40:56] For you, what would be on the table or off the table [41:01] in terms of compensating families, [41:04] making whole families who are still suffering [41:07] the effects of slavery and state-sanctioned discrimination? [41:12] Well, I don't think that that is a way forward [41:15] for Maryland to pay for something that is egregious. [41:20] I think that we've got a problem [41:22] when you look at who to pay, I've joked about this, [41:26] because I ask, do I pay my wife or my children? [41:30] Because my wife descends from an African slave. [41:34] So I think we have a problem with how that is done. [41:37] Do I have empathy, and do I wish to make sure [41:40] that things are made right? [41:41] Absolutely, but that can be done today, [41:43] and it has been done repeatedly over and over again. [41:47] And I would like to also open a look into some of the issues [41:50] that have gone in our state's history [41:52] that haven't been rectified yet. [41:54] I'm thinking of the Crownsville issue. [41:56] So I think that ultimately, we need to make sure [41:58] the people of Maryland are protected [42:00] and not charged for something that they had nothing to do with. [42:03] Thank you, sir. [42:03] Mr. Governor. [42:05] Mr. Cox says that he wishes we could do something about it. [42:08] In our administration, we don't wish. [42:10] Not what I said. [42:11] We actually do something about it. [42:13] And if you look at the actions that we have taken, [42:16] the fact that during our administration, [42:17] we have now invested over $1.3 billion in our state's HBCUs, [42:23] the largest investments in our HBCUs in our state's history. [42:26] If you look at the fact that we have done procurement reform [42:29] and have now allocated over $4.3 billion going to our state's MBEs [42:35] and our women-owned businesses, minority-owned businesses, [42:38] close to a billion dollars to black-owned businesses alone, [42:41] when you look at the fact that I signed the largest mass pardon [42:43] in the history of the United States of America, [42:46] where I pardoned over 175,000 misdemeanor cannabis convictions [42:50] because we cannot celebrate the benefits of legalization [42:52] if we do not address the consequences of criminalization. [42:55] This is the work of repair that is taking place. [42:58] We are not wishing. [42:59] We are not hoping. [43:01] We're actually focusing on actionable results [43:03] that's bringing the work of repair done in the state of Maryland. [43:05] All right, thank you, sir. [43:06] I have not said wish. [43:08] I have said there's practical issues of what you're doing, [43:10] and I warned everyone in the last debate four years ago [43:13] that you were going to pursue this wild approach [43:16] and not a careful approach, but this is a very serious issue. [43:19] And so, Governor, you mentioned HBCUs. [43:22] I challenge you, let's go talk about it at the HBCUs. [43:24] Let's go to Morgan State. [43:26] There's a forum right this month, October 22nd, at Coppin State. [43:30] Will you agree today to go and let's have a better discussion [43:33] about this at the HBCUs? [43:35] Governor? [43:36] I'm ready for the next question. [43:37] Next question. [43:37] Pam. [43:38] Thank you. [43:39] Gentlemen, I'd like you to think a little bit [43:41] about the LGBTQ plus Marylanders, starting with Governor Moore. [43:46] Last year, you were called out publicly by the then chair [43:50] of the state's LGBTQ plus commission for failing to adequately [43:54] support Marylanders who are transgender through legislation [43:57] and the state budget. [43:58] What proposals do you have going forward [44:01] to ensure safety and inclusion for trans Marylanders? [44:05] I'm thankful for the fact that the LGBTQIA plus community [44:09] state and Maryland know they have a friend in me, that we were [44:12] the first state to be able to, first time in Maryland history, [44:16] to be able to recognize the trans day of visibility, [44:20] to be able to decriminalize HIV, to be able to ensure [44:24] that everybody should feel safe in their own skin. [44:27] And I stand by that and I always will. [44:30] Because the type of policies that we have seen from a federal [44:34] side, the type of policies, frankly, that Dan Cox has supported, [44:39] to go and demean Marylanders by who they love, by how God made them, [44:46] that they will never get that from me as the governor. [44:49] And so it's not just about the policies [44:52] that we have been able to push forward. [44:54] It's also recognizing that for all of our Marylanders, [44:58] for Marylanders like Ronnie, that Ronnie knows I see Ronnie [45:05] and I will always lift Ronnie up because that is what it means [45:08] to actually leave no one behind. [45:09] Governor, thank you. [45:09] Governor Moore, to follow up, do you have any specific proposals [45:13] to support Trans-Marylanders, [45:15] such as the Birth Certificate Modernization Act? [45:17] Absolutely, and if you look at the policies [45:19] that we've had in place, it looks like preferential hiring [45:21] and making sure that they cannot be discriminated against [45:23] when it comes to employment. [45:25] These are all things that both we have done [45:26] and we're continuing to work with our LGBTQIA plus community on. [45:30] You know, that we have actually been able to support [45:33] individuals as they are marrying other couples [45:39] and making sure that that is going to be respected [45:41] inside of the state of Maryland [45:42] and protected inside of the state of Maryland. [45:44] So we are very proud of the progressive record [45:46] that we have had on this issue [45:48] and we're going to be unapologetic about it. [45:49] Right, Sarah, thank you. [45:50] And to Mr. Cox, four years ago we were on the same stage [45:54] and I asked you about how Maryland schools are meeting [45:57] the needs of LGBTQ plus students [45:59] and you expressed fears of, quote, [46:01] transgender indoctrination in kindergarten. [46:05] Is this something that still concerns you and why? [46:08] You know, I think that one of the things I want to point out [46:10] is that Maryland, it's really an improper question [46:14] that you've, in a sense, you've already answered it. [46:17] Maryland has some of the highest protections [46:19] for civil rights in the union. [46:21] In fact, as a 21-year civil rights attorney, [46:23] I have represented all protected classes [46:27] and I firmly support civil rights for everyone. [46:30] I think the issue that you're getting into [46:32] is a lot more nuanced. [46:33] You know, do we have, how do we protect girls [46:36] and bathrooms and et cetera, et cetera. [46:38] That's something that I think that is an ongoing discussion. [46:41] But at the end of the day, I want everybody to understand, [46:44] every person in Maryland has to open their electric bill. [46:48] That's what this governor is hurting you with. [46:50] Every person in Maryland has to pay their taxes. [46:53] They're receiving a 20% tax increase last year. [46:56] And now we're talking about another 1% on the family tax. [46:58] And then on top of that, [47:00] they're talking about another 2% sales tax [47:03] and increased property taxes. [47:05] This is hurting every community. [47:07] I'm gonna stand up for every community [47:09] and make sure that where it matters most, [47:12] your wallets, you're protected. [47:12] Sir, thank you. [47:13] And then everyone. [47:14] Pam would probably prefer [47:15] that you answer her question, though. [47:17] Mr. Cox, I asked about students in schools. [47:20] Are schools supporting LGBTQ plus students? [47:23] Do you have problems with schools? [47:25] Yeah, I think I answered it in the sense that I said [47:27] that this state, our state, as a 21-year civil rights attorney, [47:30] has some of the highest protections [47:32] of any state in the nation for students in schools. [47:35] And are there ways to make sure [47:36] that everyone is protected and not bullied? [47:38] Absolutely. [47:39] I always support protecting kids. [47:41] I have done that as a father with 10 kids. [47:44] Myself, my wife, and I love our children. [47:46] We love the children of Maryland. [47:48] We will do everything in our power. [47:50] And I will serve you as governor to protect our children. [47:53] I would just remind people, though, [47:55] that Mr. Cox applauded the federal government's decision [47:58] to start trying to ban books and ban our history. [48:02] And telling us who we should recognize. [48:05] And that's why I'm very proud of the fact [48:07] that I signed legislation in Maryland banning the banning [48:10] of books, that you will not ban books inside of the state [48:13] of Maryland or try to minimize, because it is important [48:16] for every single person to be able to see themselves [48:20] in the fabric of this state and to see themselves [48:23] as a valuable member and a valuable contributor [48:26] to what this state's promise is. [48:27] Governor, thank you. [48:28] Mr. Cox, do you want to respond? [48:29] Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about. [48:30] I never applauded that. [48:31] And I absolutely am supportive of the First Amendment. [48:36] I actually have litigated the First Amendment, governor, [48:39] and I support the First Amendment. [48:41] Does that mean that a kindergartner should be reading pornography? [48:44] No, I think parents should have the right to decide that [48:46] in their schools. [48:47] That's the difference between you and me, governor. [48:49] I think we need to have more parental involvement. [48:51] And as your governor, I will make sure that that happens. [48:54] Tracy. [48:55] So we're going to move on to federal job loss, [48:57] something that we've already mentioned a bit in this debate, [48:59] starting with Mr. Cox. [49:00] Maryland has the second highest rate of federal job loss [49:04] in the nation, second only to California. [49:06] Prince George's County Historic Engine for Black Wealth [49:08] is facing rising food insecurity alongside cutbacks [49:12] in key installations like the Beltsville Agricultural Research [49:15] Center and also NASA Goddard. [49:17] Do you have a plan to counter this economic downturn [49:20] and protect public sector livelihoods? [49:23] Excellent question. [49:24] Yes, I do. [49:25] I mean, unfortunately, this governor has been running for president [49:28] and not present in the state to help on this issue. [49:30] Instead, he likes to blame and use the issue [49:33] for his presidential campaign. [49:35] But that's not what's happening. [49:36] Every state in the area, Pennsylvania, is doing better. [49:39] I know you want to run against Shapiro, [49:41] but, you know, Pennsylvania is doing better. [49:42] Virginia, Delaware, West Virginia is doing better. [49:45] Andy Brashear in Kentucky cut taxes [49:47] to make sure that their private industries increased. [49:50] And, in fact, you raise taxes $2 billion, governor. [49:54] It's chasing people out of our state. [49:56] And so when they need a fallback, [49:58] they need an opportunity if their federal [50:00] or their state job is no longer there. [50:03] And, by the way, their state jobs also [50:04] that you're looking at cutting. [50:06] But you don't have a safety net of private jobs [50:08] because you're chasing them out. [50:10] So my plan is very specific in that I will put people, [50:13] the people of Maryland first, [50:15] looking to a graduated reduction of our taxes, [50:18] both income and our corporate taxes, [50:20] and make sure that savings [50:21] attracts everyone back to Maryland. [50:24] What about the job losses, the federal job losses? [50:26] What would your plan be for those folks [50:28] who are out of work, more than 30,000? [50:32] Well, immediately, they need to have opportunities [50:35] to get back into the workforce. [50:37] So whatever we can do, I mean, there's some things [50:38] that we can, obviously, are bipartisan issues. [50:41] But immediately, as well, [50:42] we have to lower the tax brackets. [50:45] If we don't, you know, Pennsylvania right now [50:47] is on track for a 4.9% corporate tax rate. [50:52] That's where they are, and they're right across the line. [50:55] We are going to continue at a time [50:57] when we're having ballooning budgets. [50:59] It is going to be a train wreck unless we address this [51:02] and bring people back to Maryland. [51:03] Okay, sir, thank you. [51:04] Mr. Moore, is your plan to retrain federal workers working, [51:08] and how long can Maryland afford state loans, [51:12] rental assistance programs, and these kinds of things [51:14] for the tens of thousands of Marylanders [51:17] who are out of federal jobs? [51:18] Yeah, I mean, this is what the Trump administration [51:21] has done to our workers has been brutal. [51:23] And I think about people like Monique, [51:26] who was working at the NIH and was just a public servant [51:29] who said her focus was to actually make sure [51:31] she was helping to cure cancer and was fired. [51:35] And so the thing that the actionable things [51:38] that we're actually doing inside of the state of Maryland [51:40] is things like our Feds to Eds initiative, [51:43] where we're working to say if we have a teacher vacancy rate [51:45] and we have federal workers who want to become teachers, [51:48] let's get them certified, let's get them trained, [51:50] and get them to classrooms as quickly as possible. [51:52] We have now seen a teacher vacancy rate drop by 60%. [51:55] Some of those people have been federal workers [51:58] who have then gone to become educators. [52:00] It's things like working with our private sector [52:02] to be able to employ them. [52:03] It's the reason that Maryland over the past six months [52:05] has now had a job growth rate [52:07] that is almost double the national average. [52:09] And we've been able to attract things like the Sphere [52:11] to Prince George's County, [52:12] to be able to help to build out what can be a future economy [52:15] in Prince George's County, [52:16] and things like AstraZeneca [52:18] and how it's building out the economy [52:20] inside of both Frederick and Montgomery counties. [52:23] So we've got to grow and diversify this country. [52:24] Governor, thank you. [52:25] Jeff Salkin. [52:26] If I could respond? [52:27] I think we're short on time. [52:28] I think we're short. [52:29] We're getting about a minute until closing statement, [52:31] so let's go ahead with one more question if we can, Jeff. [52:32] And this starts with the governor. [52:35] Question three, which is the ballot question [52:39] that would amend the state constitution [52:41] to make it easier or remove limits [52:44] on the ability of lawmakers to redraw congressional maps. [52:48] Voting yes or no? [52:49] I need you to do the impossible. [52:50] 30-second answers for these so we can get out on time. [52:52] I'm voting yes because the power belongs to the people, [52:55] not to Donald Trump. [52:56] That was the initial point of question three. [52:59] When we saw a president who was doing things [53:00] like trying to eliminate mail-in balloting, [53:02] which is illegal and we sued him for it, [53:04] when you're watching a president talking about [53:06] putting federal agents around ballot boxes, [53:07] requesting voter rolls from the states, [53:09] we are watching a robbery of democracy in broad daylight. [53:13] And we are not going to allow Donald Trump [53:15] to determine our democracy. [53:16] The people of Maryland should determine our democracy. [53:18] So I will be voting yes. [53:20] I urge every Marylander to vote yes [53:22] because this is our opportunity to stop this attempted [53:24] takeover by Donald Trump. [53:26] I urge you to vote yes. [53:27] I'm sorry, Mr. Cox, 30 seconds. [53:28] We have to move here. [53:29] There is no vote yes if you read it. [53:31] In fact, is there a complete sentence [53:33] in this ballot initiative, Governor? [53:34] No, there's not. [53:35] The Washington Post wrote, quote, [53:37] Westmore embarrasses Maryland with his gerrymandering ploy. [53:40] Just three days ago, the Post published this. [53:42] Question three means that Cumberland and Western Maryland [53:45] and Salisbury on the Eastern Shore [53:46] are separated by the Chesapeake Bay, [53:48] nearly the entire width of the state [53:49] could one day end up being represented [53:51] by the same member of Congress. [53:53] This is not about your so-called concerns [53:56] about federal issues. [53:57] In fact, if it's wrong for them, [53:59] I'm saying I agree it's wrong for Maryland. [54:02] It's wrong for you, sir. [54:03] Mr. Cox was right for us. [54:04] The head closing statements, and you're up first. [54:05] One minute, please. [54:13] Imagine a Maryland where we can afford to live, [54:16] where our children can afford to buy homes, [54:18] where retirees can afford to stay here with their families, [54:22] and where our streets are safe, [54:25] and where we're driving over a built key bridge, [54:28] where we can afford our car registration, [54:30] and when we can put food on the table. [54:32] But we don't have to imagine it. [54:34] November 3rd, we have the chance to make it reality. [54:37] Marylanders are paying more and getting less. [54:41] But behind every budget is a Marylander [54:43] who's trying to pay the bills or hold their family together, [54:46] but they're feeling left behind. [54:49] I will protect the vulnerable, cut taxes and fees, [54:52] protect our cities, farms, communities, and ports, [54:54] and balance the budget. [54:56] Westmore is about to offer his closing remarks, [54:59] and they will be full of euphemisms, [55:01] painting over your real pain. [55:04] But you have to ask yourself, [55:05] is he pretending that everything is okay? [55:07] Are you really better off [55:09] than you used to be four years ago? [55:11] Because more of the same is what you'll get [55:13] if you reelect him. [55:14] I'm humbly asking for your vote. [55:15] I'm Dan Cox, and I thank you for your time. [55:18] Mr. Governor. [55:19] Listen, I know these are uncertain times, [55:22] and I know that sometimes the politics of lies and division [55:27] can make us feel like nobody is listening. [55:30] And I know that because I'm in our communities [55:31] every single day, and the message is very clear. [55:33] We need leaders who are fighting for you, [55:37] and not just focusing on fighting each other. [55:40] That despite the chaos and the corruption [55:42] that we have seen in Washington, D.C., [55:44] I have never been more confident in Maryland's future. [55:47] But my confidence in Maryland's future [55:49] is not a blind faith. [55:51] I was raised right by my family. [55:53] I was trained right by the United States Army. [55:56] And I worship a mighty God. [55:59] In our second term, we're gonna make sure we're growing [56:01] and diversify our economy off of Washington, D.C. [56:04] We're going to make life more affordable for Marylanders. [56:06] We're gonna make our public schools the best in America. [56:09] And we'll continue to have the greatest [56:10] public safety turnaround story in the country. [56:14] I'm honored to be your governor. [56:15] And I know the job isn't done. [56:18] So that's why I'm humbly asking for your vote [56:20] so we can continue pushing Maryland forward. [56:23] Gentlemen, thank you for your time, folks. [56:25] Thank you for joining us. [56:26] Hope to see you on November 3rd, Election Day. [56:28] Have a good night.