Good evening and welcome. The Wednesday, June 12, 2024 City of Plantation Multimodal Master Transportation Plan Workshop is now called to order at 531. Ms. Beggarrow, please call the roll. Councilmember Anderson. Here. Councilmember Andrew. Here. Councilmember Pageant. Here. Councilmember Horland is on her way. Councilmember Einstein. Here. Mayor Sordle. Here. City Attorney Izrael. Here. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Carol. So I feel like I should start by apologizing to you because I know if you looked at the backup you saw way too many typos. Clearly whoever did my proofreading didn't wear their glasses. I tried to clean them up. I've made a few changes to the presentation, added a couple of slides. Hopefully it'll clarify some things. But obviously there's a lot of materials. So let's get started. Is it going to turn? Yay. There we go. Okay. So just to sort of refresh everybody, and I think everybody knows this already, the MMTP is a document that was prepared in association with Broward MPO. We had a task order with them in 2021 to complete this project. It identifies improvements to roadways to make them more safe, more comfortable, more convenient, convenient for pedestrian, bicyclists, and drivers. It also tries to dovetail into our strategies and our priorities of reducing congestion, fostering economic vibrancy, and addressing both environmental concerns and sustainability. Just a little bit about the process. The process that we followed is actually in accordance with the MPO's guidance on how to create a transportation plan. We established a city working group of staff. We met regularly reviewing information that the MPO provided. We worked closely with Broward County and FDOT. And as I'm sure you recall, we did a number of community and public meetings. We also had a survey available for the public online so they could share with us their concerns. The crash data that we relied upon in establishing the priority roadways was from Signal 4. And again, as you look at the seven roadways that are identified in the plan, they were identified because they were hot zones. They were accident clusters. There were field audits conducted by the MPO staff. So they were actually out in the field watching the behavior of roadway users to see what was actually going on. And recommendations for the short-term MMTP were broken into two categories. Zero to two years, which was considered the low-hanging fruit, and then two to five years. Additionally, since the MMTP has been significantly completed, the city was provided a roadway safety audit by the MPO. The MPO paid the bills. And a roadway safety audit not only helps us identify what's going on on the roadway, but it is one of the things that would qualify us for federal funding if we wanted to seek federal dollars on Clery. So while the recommendations are not final yet, we do have preliminary information as to what they're going to be. They do dovetail many of the projects that we're going to talk about. The best part about the RSA is that there are dollars attached to it and there is funding in the 2027 FDOT budget to work on some of these projects. Just some general notes. As you know, you've seen the draft. The slides are very, very busy. In an effort to try and clean them up a little bit and maybe focus us on some of the major roadway changes, almost all the recommendations contain things like high visibility pavement markings, pet scale lighting, crosswalk signage, refurbishment of curbs, ADA detectable mats. I did not include that on each one of the recommendations. I probably would have doubled the length of the presentation if we'd done so. Pedestrian scale lighting is a recommendation that you will see in a lot of places here. At this point, we've sort of taken a pause on that. Main reason being, we want to identify a pedestrian scale lighting standard for the city before we start installing it. Long term, that will give us economies of scale and purchase and installation, but it'll also give us economies of scale and simplify the maintenance. Now, that said, you may want to establish a separate style for the midtown district to sort of give it some personality, but we'd kind of like to keep pet scale lighting as standard as possible in order to streamline maintenance. The city has a traffic engineering agreement with Broward County and virtually every signalized intersection in the city is a part of that agreement. So, as a result, whenever we're talking about anything that's going to make a change to a traffic signal, we have to deal with Broward County traffic. So, left turn leads, leading pedestrian intervals, mast arms, all of those pieces, we have to deal with Broward County on. Again, some of the roadways that we're going to talk about are either owned or maintained by either Broward County or FDOT. So, where there are recommendations on those roadways, we have to work with those entities to implement them. One of the things that is mentioned frequently in the MMTP is raised crosswalks. And I'm going to show you a picture of what one is in a few minutes. If you're not familiar with them, you will be. They're sort of super-sized speed bumps, for lack of a better way to describe it. First responders are not necessarily fond of raised crosswalks. So, the intention was to start with high visibility pavement markings, and I'm going to show you an example of that, and see if that gets us to the desired point. If it does, then great, pavement markings it'll be. If it doesn't, we may want to have another discussion and talk about implementing raised crosswalks in some of those areas. Similarly, there are recommendations in there for roundabouts and chicanes, and not everybody is a fan. One of the concerns that we hear frequently is that it can be difficult to maneuver a large vehicle such as a fire truck. So, potentially where we're talking about chicanes or roundabouts, we likely will be talking about using mountable curb. That not only makes access easier for our fire staff, but if fire's having a problem getting down a roadway, odds are school buses and waste management are too. So, we know all of those folks need to get down roadways, so we may want to look at that. And here's a couple of just little examples. I thought it might be helpful to make sure we're all on the same page. The one on the far left is a pedestrian hybrid beacon. Those are also known as hawk lights. In the middle slide is sort of a flyer on how to use them. You press the button, it will stop traffic for you, and you can then cross the street. The one next to it is a rectangular rapid flashing beacon, and these can be solar depending upon your site. But the lights on the sign start to flash when it's activated. It's designed to get the driver's attention. There you go. On the pavers, that's a raised crosswalk. The cross section in the middle is sort of a typical section of what raised crosswalks normally look like. And the smaller slide in the corner is a high visibility pavement marking. So, just thought I'd, I don't know, even the playing field? Now we get to the fun stuff. Knob Hill Road from Sunrise Boulevard South to Broward. There are a number of recommendations in this area. The first set has to do with the school crosswalk and the entrance to Sunset Park. And it does include things like crosswalk signage, rectangular rapid flashing beacons. We're going to call those RRFBs if it's okay with you. And radar speed limit signs. This is a stretch of roadway that was looked at as a part of the roadway safety audit. And the preliminary information we have on the projects that will move forward from the RSA is that that piece is among it. They are still looking at raised crosswalks. Obviously, we need to provide them comments on the drawings. And one of our comments will be, we'd prefer high visibility pavement markings. The Cleary intersection, the comments dealt with mast arm conversion, LPI, left turn signal, and accessible PED signals. And that all falls under Broward County Traffic Engineering. I know they are working on a mast arm redesign, but I don't have a tentative installation schedule. Northwest 12th Street, again, you're talking about mast arm conversion, LPI, and a left turn signal that requires a warrant study. Broward County Transportation has reviewed the intersection and we do not meet warrants. So they have refurbished the pavement markings, but at this point we don't meet warrants for that southbound left turn. Northwest 4th Street, or 4th Court, excuse me, the proposals include a crosswalk over Knob Hill, an extension of sidewalks, sidewalks, as well as a pedestrian refuge island. BCT is evaluating it. However, they've told us that even if it's warranted, they would not recommend a marked crosswalk in that area because of the curvature of the road and the fact that not all the sidewalks connect. Lastly, we have Central Park and Northwest 6th, Broward County Traffic Engineering has asked for additional traffic enforcement. They are going to be installing back plates with reflective heads on the signal heads in both directions. They are reinstalling the signing and they have recommended that the city look at lighting on all four corners at that intersection. We are in the process of putting together a scope of work to do a photometric study and address the lighting. Don't know what the scope of work for that is going to be or the expansion of that area is going to be, but my gut tells me that it will probably be a much more significant piece of Knob Hill than just that individual intersection. So that's where we're at on those. Cleary Boulevard from Knob Hill University. The first recommendation was to reduce the speed limit to 30 miles per hour. We really haven't had any conversation about that. I know we'd all be interested in hearing your feelings on that. That is again a conversation we would have to engage with Broward County Traffic. In front of the Promenade Shopping Center, there were two recommendations, sort of pick one or the other. The first one being a directional median to prohibit left turns from the shopping center and a crosswalk over Cleary with a refuge island. The other recommendation is to convert the intersection to a mini roundabout and create the crosswalks. The RSA, Roadway Safety Audit, does provide some funding for a new crosswalk at that entrance of Plantation Promenade. It would have pavement markings. It would have a pedestrian hybrid beacon. So again, that may be one of the pieces that we want to allow to be funded and handled in that manner. Central Park North, they want to convert the intersection to a mini roundabout and again create a pedestrian crossing and a refuge island. Central Park Drive and the entrances to Central Park Drive, I sort of pulled out separately. As a reminder, a couple of weeks ago, you all approved a task order for us to take a project on Central Park Drive, which is a lane diet on Central Park Drive and potentially a roundabout on Central Park Drive and Cleary and a roundabout in front of the park. So you approved a task order for us to take that to construction design. So that project is moving ahead. So if we do that, our thought internally was that that would give the city a greater chance to work with roundabouts and lane diets and maybe help you all and residents come to a conclusion about how you feel about the broader recommendations on Cleary. And that's Cleary Boulevard with two of the proposed roundabouts. Sorry, I had to put some pictures in here to break it up. Northwest, Southwest 84th Avenue. There's a lot of proposals for the intersection of Broward Boulevard that will all involve conversation with Broward County Traffic Engineering. They also have some recommendations for an additional crosswalk and a pedestrian only entrance to Pine Island. This is probably the one project we really haven't touched yet, but we've kind of got the rest of the irons in the fire. So this one will follow in good time. Southwest 6th Street and 78th Avenue. You have a task order on your agenda tonight, which would approve and fund us taking this to construction drawings. Cypress Road. Similarly, you have a task order on the agenda tonight, which would get us to construction drawings for that project as well. Keep in mind that that one provides for both sidewalk on one side of the street, as well as re-striping roadways as charrows. And then Northwest 5th Street, we kind of tie this one in with Northwest 46th because they dovetail each other. Both of these projects, we are in the process of waiting for a proposal. We have had preliminary conversation with an engineering firm in our library and ask them to get back with us with a proposal to take those two projects to construction. And that's 46th. Now we get to the fun stuff. And this is, this is, this is where we kind of need some direction from you guys to make sure that we're all pulling on the same rope. Um, Clary Boulevard from Knob Hill to University Phase 2 had a lot of big pieces in it. The first piece being the pedestrian bridge over the canal adjacent to Hiatus Road. And if memory serves me, I believe that's the C42. Um, pedestrian bridge that would then connect to the eastern side. We would then have a crosswalk across Hiatus and then a path that would lead users all the way down to the park or the elementary school. There would also be appropriate crossing points in the middle. Um, this is where we talk about the lane diet beginning at the promenade and going all the way to university. As a part of the lane diet, one of the things that we talked about was repurposing the eastbound to southbound right-hand turn lane at Pine Island. The idea between repurposing it is, it gives you space to have the desired, desired, bike lane separation. So that you have your bike lanes separate and out of the same roadway with your vehicles. Um, it also sort of creates a plaza effect there. Um, and we have a picture of that in a minute that you'll see. And again, this is the lane diet. This is the lane diet that would include all of the roundabouts. And this is what the roadway would potentially look like. The bottom is the recommended improvements. It's a six foot wide protected bike path. Um, it still has 11 foot travel lanes and a median, but it also has a landscaping strip and separate, we'll call them walking lanes. So that's what it would potentially look like if we did move forward with the lane diet. And when I talked about Pine Island at Cleary and repurposing that traffic lane, it would give you a wider area like this. It would allow you to carry forward the length of the roadway with the separated bike lane. If we don't make a decision to repurpose that lane, we probably will have to end your separated bike lane, even if you're willing to do the lane diet somewhere before Pine Island and pick it up on the other side. Because we just don't have enough right away there. The other project we wanted to talk a little bit about is University Drive. And if you remember, the University Drive project involves taking the access roads on either side and sort of activating them for bike and pedestrian use as well as local traffic. Um, that's potentially what your pedestrian bridge at Broward Boulevard would look like. One of the proposals there involved covered, culverting the, um, canal there, which again would give you more of a plaza effect. It would create a much larger gathering area. Um, you can't do that without culverting that canal. Again, you just don't have the real estate. Um, we did talk about a pedestrian bridge over Broward Boulevard. So that would facilitate getting people from the south side to the north side and back. And when we talk about what those access roads might be looking like, here's a couple of options for you. You could do something like a cycle track where you have your bike riders both going north and south in separate lanes on one side of the roadway. Or you could potentially look at striping it as a sharrow, which is basically a notice to drivers that they are sharing the roadway. So there's a lot of material there. There's a lot to talk about. Um, we have started to make progress on all but one of the short-term projects. That said, we'd love to hear what you're thinking about Clery long-term. Um, because it definitely impacts, for instance, the Central Park Drive project. And I got through that way faster than I thought I would. Can you, uh, go back to that last slide? That one? Yeah, talk, talk about the bike options. This is University Drive. This is the access roads on the east or the west of University Drive. You're, you're talking about not near Marcano? I'm talking the length of University Drive from Broward to Sunrise. Broward? To Sunrise. Broward past Cleary, past Sunrise. Mm-hmm. Including Plantation Walk. Yes. Okay. So it's an interesting concept. It's, it's, I'll be honest with you, this one's going to take some time to implement because there's a lot of moving parts. That said, if you wanted to move in this direction, I'm a big proponent of protected bike lanes. Well, that's, that's really why I asked you to come back to this. It's like, I believe we spent, we're not, we, the state spent 15 million dollars on University Drive to add some bike lane. And I think you're insane if you use that biking lane, but I know they painted it green, so it must mean it's okay. But I'm not crazy. So, um, but I, I second that. When I was in, I don't disagree. A biker on hiatus, right? I'm a cyclist. I'll never go to university. No way. I just recall when I was in Houston last year, they had some very interesting, you know, um, protected bike lanes and walking paths. Now this was in their city core, but I think anything that we're going to do that's going to enhance the biking or cycling, um, it has to be a, it has to be some sort of barrier. Yep. So that, that, that's kind of my main comment. Can you go back to the promenade? Let's see. Whoops, wrong way. That piece or the promenade shopping center? The promenade shopping center. So what were the solutions there? Uh, specifically, I'm talking about the east entrance to that where, where everyone's making the left turn. It's pretty, it's a perilous one. You come over the hill. And again, you had two options. One was to create a directional median to prohibit that left turn, which I think, okay. And that's really what I wanted to address. There would be no left turns out of that plaza. So I, is there a mini roundabout as part of the consideration? One of the considerations was a mini roundabout at that intersection. And then of course, you'd create the crosswalk adjacent to it. I, I think that's the only option because it turns into a complete nightmare. And this is what I'd envision. If you can't make a left turn out of there, you know, you got to make a right hand turn, and then you're going to create this U-turn. And for whatever reason, when you're heading south on Cleary, I mean, Knob, people can't navigate that U-turn for whatever reason, even though it's a two lane, it drives me nuts because I'm always stuck at that light when they're trying to make this U-turn. But, but there has to be a left turn out of that plaza. I don't know how the, the property owner would feel about it, but I would think that they would want some way for people to go left. All right. So I got myself on record. Council Member Reinstein. So, um, thank you, President Fadgen. You actually hit on two points that I want to make sure is. One is that, um, I, I used to be a bicycle, um, a bike rider. I was never a cyclist. I, I can't use that term because it sounds way too, um, you know, professional. You're saying you never wore spandex? No, no, no. But, um, but, uh, after having a legal case involving a bike accident, um, I, I won't go on, you know, near on the road if it's, if it's not a protected bike lane. And, you know, when you travel in some places around the world where they, they go out of, I mean, it's amazing what they do to protect their bicyclists, um, the protected lanes, they even have, uh, different, uh, stoplights for the bicyclists in order to make sure that everybody is coordinated. So, you know, anything that we're doing regarding bike lanes, to me, not only have to be separated bike lanes, but they have to be protected bike lanes. And, you know, I, I know that the ones where you often see the, um, kind of pylons, um, but if those aren't more sturdy to protect people from just going right over them, um, I've seen a lot of places where they're actually some type of raised curbs, um, in order to, you know, wake up those distracted drivers. And, um, so I want to make sure that that's my feeling regarding anything that we're doing involving, um, bike lanes. And I'd like to see that, um, we do everything possible to make sure that we, we increase our bike lanes, especially in the areas where, um, where kids can be biking to school. Uh, I mean, that's something that, um, you know, to me should be one of our priorities. Uh, the other thing, and, um, thank you, uh, President Fagin for mentioning regarding Promenade. That's, that's my shopping center, right? That's where, where my Publix is. And, um, there's no question that if you forced everybody to go right and they tried to make that U-turn at Nob Hill, it's not only that people have difficulty making the U-turn, but it's that people making the right on Nob Hill heading east, um, they don't seem to pay much attention to people who want to make that U-turn. And so then you have, um, you have much, uh, uh, much to be concerned about. The, the last thing I wanted to say is that when we're talking about anything that's being done on Clery, um, I, I think we have to also be talking about the flooding on Clery. And, um, you know, any kind of work that's being done, um, I mean, I saw just on my way here today, because I take Clery to get here and, uh, was so pleased to see Public Works was out there in full force. Um, but, you know, they're out there, they're out there every time that it rains like this. And if we're going to be doing work, then any work needs to take into consideration flooding. And I, I, I didn't hear any of that here because that wasn't the focus, but I would like to hear some comment regarding how we're taking that into consideration. I will tell you that one of the things that we've been looking at, um, is implementing these things in a way in which we, I'm going to say tear up a roadway once, and we go in and ideally address the whole suite of issues. So as a part of that, as we start looking at roadways and looking at construction, we're looking at what the drainage situation is, the stormwater master plans getting close to complete. We're looking at utilities and what they may have going on in the area. And do we, are we better off retiming our work so that we're going in when they're going in? Similarly, we're looking at, you know, ADA issues because a lot of these sidewalks have to be addressed to meet ADA. So while we're starting to move forward with plans, at the end of the day, it'll all end up being hopefully one big package. The exception to that being the pieces that could be built through the RSA and they just won't have a drainage component or we'll need to get it done before or after that part of the work is done. But what you're talking about with the RSA, I'm sorry, is primarily, um, crosswalks and such. So it's a little easier to do without impacting drainage significantly. Thank you. And if there's time after everybody goes, I'd like to ask some more questions about the bridge over. Um, you're done for now. Okay. Council member Horland. Thank you, Mr. President. Um, I too am a bike rider, not a cyclist, and I will not go on the street. I'm on the sidewalk. So, um, I think that anything that's not a protected bank bike lane, you've got three votes up here right now. Um, I concur. We've got to ensure that we're keeping our cyclist and bike riders safe. Uh, Carol, let's talk about Cleary a little bit. You know how I feel about roundabouts. I do think that the roundabouts are appropriate there. And I think it's the safest way to slow down the traffic and prefer, and provide for that access in and out of the shopping center. What I want to ask you is we had a brief conversation. I told you an applicant, um, we're talking about the retail component of Shalimar on the corner of Pine Island and Cleary remarked to me, they can't get anyone to go into the retail because of our plans here, which I don't buy it. And because I think if you, you build it, people are still going to come. I don't think putting that road on a road diet, uh, would have much of effect. I understand from a retail perspective why they, they might think that. Do you have any data that suggests that that would hurt any retail on that corner? If that's, I do not have the data in my possession, but I am pretty sure I know where to get it because last year or the year before at the safe street summit, um, they had a speaker who had put in bike lanes and protected bike lanes throughout his city. And he had before and after economic data. And it is in essence showed that if you get people out of their cars and you get them walking or you get them biking, you tend to get more of them into your shops or restaurants or whatever it happens to be. So from what I understand, you're right. The evidence is that you're going to get more foot traffic and you're going to get more people through the door. Now that said, as a regular Cleary user, and please don't take a description of my car because I do have a lead foot, but as a regular Cleary Boulevard user, um, particularly in the mornings, you know, that, that southbound east turn can get a little bit backed up. So again, I, we don't have to make all the decisions in one night. If you tell us that you want to move forward with the lane diet, then we can start to have some further conversations with some of our consulting engineers and maybe see if we can come up with an alternative that is more viable. Well, here's the other issue. And I think if we extend it, so when you talk about that whole area now, um, a lot of people are making that turn and going to Plantation Walk. So if we make accessible and safe bike lanes there, it's going to encourage more people, I think, to make that trip and to go to Plantation Walk and frequent those businesses. So I think there's a win-win, um, on a lot of things. I just want to ask you if, and I apologize that I walked in late, Public Works did a great job blocking the lane on, uh, Cleary. Um, I was glad to see them out there. But we had spoken previously, and I don't know if you mentioned this as I walked in, but in employing some tactical urbanism where we can use those temporary structures, paint and plastic, so that we can really get a feel for how this would be deployed and if it is feasible. Is that something that we can do to get these projects off the ground a little quicker? Honestly, the spot that I think is perfectly ripe and would be wonderful for a tactical urbanism piece. Anything by a school, yes, because it's going to draw attention to that crosswalk. Um, but also as we deal with Central Park Drive and we look at the lane diet we're creating there and the roundabouts we're potentially creating there, at some point we've got to have some crosswalks to get to the park. So to me, the crosswalks in that area would be a great place to make a first run at a tactical urbanism project. I mean, the parking is there. We've got facilities if people need to get inside out of the heat. Um, and it just goes with the whole personality of having a park there in my mind. It's fun. And so that's what I'd like to see as we go through the design phase on these projects with Central Park as well as Sunset Park and Central Park Elementary is really trying to focus on that to get some of these, you know, out of the box a little quicker. Okay. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. Council Member Andrea. Thank you, Mr. President. Ms. Morris, so I'm not a hundred percent sold on the lane diet on Cleary. And I mentioned this before, um, when we were having a conversation because I don't think we've seen the impact yet of, um, the residential units there at Cleary and Pine Island. Do you know what capacity the rentals are at? And I know they just started, I believe, selling the, uh, Lenar townhomes. Yeah, there are people living in there and have been for a few months. Um, that said, I don't know where they're at in terms of capacity. That is something that we can potentially look at, but they're also right there at 82nd, which, you know, that might for many of them be a better way if they're trying to get out to Broward Boulevard, whether they would use it. I don't know if they're trying to go north. It's a little bit harder. So I too, um, agree with my colleagues and would like to see a, a dedicated bike lane. But if I don't know why we lost the diagram, if we could bring that back up. Do we have enough space to not do the road diet and still have the dedicated bike lane? Because I know that, um, the sidewalk there, if I remember correctly, is already pretty wide. And so could we use the area between the two lanes now and the sidewalk to have that? We'd be giving up green space, but to have the dedicated bike lane. Well, you'd be giving up green space and that definitely would have a drainage impact. So that's something that we can certainly look at, but that's a different direction than we've gone. I mean, I, I like the roundabouts. I, I want the dedicated bike lane. I know you can't have it all. Um, but you can ask, but the, I, I am concerned that we're going to create a traffic issue when we do the, the road diet on Cleary. Well, we can certainly take a look at whether or not there is a way to fit in buffered bike lanes. And then the other issue I mentioned, and I'm sure, you know, it's not a huge issue, but when parks and rec, when they have events at central park, they are, they usually stage that area and they flow all the traffic through Cleary. And so you have the two lanes. So one can continue going east and then one is backed up to get into central park. Keep in mind two pieces of what we've talked about are going to impact central park. One is creating that pedestrian crossing at 91st. Um, and it is a pedestrian crossing that would have a hawk light. Um, so the RSA has looked at that. That is one of the recommendations they want to advance. So that would certainly make it easier for people who wanted to bike or walk to get into the park and access some of those events without moving their cars. The other thing is when we talked about the lane diet on central park drive, we talked about using the lanes on the, god damn, I gotta go north, south, east, west, on the west side for the bicyclists, but using the lane on the east side as additional parking. And we're looking at how much parallel parking could be fit in there and how much potential angle parking could be fit in there. And it was a pretty significant number. I mean, we are looking at roughly 200 parking spaces. So that may also provide a way to sort of provide additional parking. Overflow. Yeah. Yeah. That was part of our excitement about being able to do the central drive project is that you really get two bonuses out of it. Okay. And I think that would also let the community see what would happen with a road diet and make them more open to, you know, Yeah. Agreeing to a Cleary if we had the right metrics to suggest that it wouldn't be detrimental like your concern is. I think that, you know, road diets to talk about are a little bit scary because we've all heard of places where they didn't work. And there are also lots of places where they've worked well. Public works still have bulldozers. I'm not going to comment. Um, but at any rate, I do think, and that was part of our motivation in bringing for the central park drive was the fact that it does sort of give us an opportunity to have a little more play, if you will, with both roundabouts and with a lane diet, get a little better feel for, you know, the devil, you know, versus the devil, you don't know. So. Yeah. And then just for my own edification, going back to, if you could go back to, I don't know what slide it is. Cause I don't know. I don't think they were numbered. What area? But where you have the raised, um, kind of walkway that you said people aren't of the next one. Oh, there you go. So, um, on those, are they also, I've seen this kind that to me, at least by this picture looks smooth. Those are a little bit better, in my opinion, than the ones that are also, they're raised, and then they also are raised when you walk across them. I don't know if there's a name for that. But, um, that walkway is not, it's not smooth either. Do you know what I'm referring to? Not really, but the raised crosswalks, you know, you have a, uh, sort of slow, gradual approach that elevates you to carbide. So it's about three and a half inches. You then have your crosswalk on the top. It's going to be more than five feet wide in most cases. And another gradual- The crosswalk on the top sometimes is also, um, Sometimes people do the approaches in concrete or asphalt and then do the top in some different kind of surface. Um, it does make it a little more easy to delineate visually where it is, but there's lots of ways to design this. But there's, like, another speed deterrent, almost. Are you saying it feels almost like a rumble strip? Yes. Yeah. I haven't encountered those, thankfully. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But again, you know, part of our thinking was, if we start with a high visibility crosswalk, first of all, it's a lot cheaper to construct. That high visibility crosswalk, along with the other improvements we're talking about, may do what we want it to do in terms of making pedestrians safer, making bicyclists safer, reducing driver speed on the roadway. If it does, we can always come back and consider raised crosswalks. So the plan would be to start with that diagram on the far right first, then reassess if the raised- Yeah, that's been our plan pretty much all along. Okay. Those are all my questions. Thank you, President. Council Member Horland. I just had a question for Council Member Andrea. You raised excellent points, and we've, I think we've all been concerned about the eventual impact of that development. I thought we had originally talked about, if we did the road diet, doing a temporary. Would you be amenable to that, just to see, and then collect the data? And it may not work. You're, you're correct. But at least, I'd like to have the opportunity to try to try it, do it temporarily. Okay. So, I'm going to hate myself for saying this. At any rate, there is presently a grant out. It is one of the roads and streets safety for all grants that would assist in payment of costs for a demonstration project. A demonstration project being what we're talking about. And then, frankly, if the project proves out, there's another phase of it that you can apply to for some potential construction funds. It is a federal grant. It comes with lots of hoops that we would have to jump through. But if you're really committed to wanting to do the demonstration, we can certainly look at getting it done. Mm-hmm. I think that we should absolutely try to go and apply for that grant. I guess I have another project for my grants library, huh? I had another to do. No, no, no, for my grants library. People who are much better at writing grants than I am. Yeah. We just used a third-party firm that we agreed upon a few meetings ago, right? We actually, you, at a couple of meetings back, did approve establishment of a grants library. And we have already started working with them and are looking at some proposals coming in very shortly. Councilmember Horland, are you, you're done? Councilmember Anderson? I don't have much to add, just, but I don't know if you're seeking our input. I am very close to a lot of my colleagues' comments, but basically what Andrea said was spot on. I am a little skeptical of the road diet. I see it. There's one on Sunset Strip, I think it is. And I occasionally go that way to Home Depot. And I never see pedestrians use it, never see bikes using it. So all they did was lose. They have a lot of asphalt that's not being used, and they paid to have it, and it's not getting its purpose. So I'm skeptical, but I'm willing to, for a trial, that's a good option. I definitely am still open to the roundabouts. So I feel like this is the same thing that I said last time, but I'm not sure what else you were, were you wanting some feedback on? Well, the other thing I just wanted to put up on the screen and sort of call your attention to is one of the projects that we are asking you to approve award tonight is Cypress Road. And Cypress Road would have shared lane markings, which is a shero. Are we comfortable with that? I'm not sure, frankly, you have the space to do buffered bike lanes on Cypress. A little different of character between Cypress and Cleary. Are you comfortable with sheroes on something like Cypress, which is more of a residential roadway? What are we doing with sidewalks on Cypress? There would be sidewalk on the north side. So we're going to complete the sidewalks on Cypress. That's the plan. Well, then I'd be more agreeable to a shared road if the option is there for a sidewalk. Okay. And the speed limit is already low. It's a little different one. So lower speed limit and such. Okay. May I? Are you? Yeah. Council Member Reinstein. So first I'll start with the shared road. Can you further describe what a shared road is for the public's benefit? I wish I could think of an example of one, but I can't put a street number on it. It is typically a slightly wider lane and you will see markings along the side of it indicating that it is a shero and that the roadway is shared with bicyclists. I am not in favor at all of a shared road. Same comments as I made before is that I'd rather not have a bike lane on that road than a shared bike. I mean, if the choice is only a sidewalk and the roadway for cars versus the sidewalk and a shared road, I'd rather not have it. I just think they're not safe. And so to suggest to our residents that they should try and use it, I'm not in favor of. But what I wanted to circle back to was the bridge, if we can get to the Broward. The pedestrian bridge? The pedestrian bridge. Yeah, please. Yes. Can you talk a little bit about what the expected, any idea of cost for that is and where that's coming from? At this point, I cannot provide you with either much of a cost estimate. I want to say the last number I saw was five to seven million, if that sound about right. That said, much like the Midtown Bridge, this is something that we would need to either seek a partner or seek funding to construct. Assuming government center north or west stays where it is, we might have some success bringing the county in as a partner on something like this. But we have not explored those options at this point. And that's exactly what my comment was going to be, is whether or not we've even had any preliminary discussions with the county. It would seem that they would be the perfect partner, especially with if there's any thoughts on theirs of increasing the use of that huge piece of building space and property that they have. Okay, good. Thank you very much. I just so we're all aware, we have had conversation with Broward County traffic and public works about the roadway projects. But no, we have not ventured into discussion with them on the pedestrian bridges yet. Mayor Sorte. Thank you very much. Um, to talk about Shero's for a second. Um, one rough example is, um, Flamingo going north from American Heritage up to Sunrise. And they're not marked Shero's, but what DOT did in some cases where there was not room to build a true bike lane is lanes are usually 12, 12, 12 feet. And they pull a foot from these two, make it 11, 11, 14. Yep. So you have a wide right thing, which is good for writing and everything, but isn't the safest thing in the world for writing. And I think you would probably want something better than that. Uh, Shero's are huge in Washington, DC, because the same reason they tried to retrofit the streets, not enough room to make a wide street. So they make one narrow and then they try to make it wider. But there's no, you guys want something in between the bike lane and the street, the defined, which, which I understand. Council member Andrea. Just going back to the bridge project and this, um, example, I hope that when we're meeting with these developers, um, we're also asking them to partner. So, you know, we're having hopefully some movement with the Broward mall. And I know when I spoke to some of the people interested in submitting a proposal for that solicitation. Um, this was part of my conversation with them. So I think that we need to make sure that our developers are investing heavily in our city. I will tell you that planning and zoning has been pretty proactive when developers have been coming in adjacent to where MMTP projects are located in securing some funding towards the completion of those projects. So I know the effort and the attention is there. Okay. I don't see any other, uh, comments. Do we do consent? Do we have any consensuses? Well, I think we do. Um, I was asking, like if we take consensus, then we need to open up the public comment. No, you don't know. Okay. I mean, what I'm hearing is we want protected bike lanes, protected bike lanes, or no bike lanes. We want protected bike lanes. I'm hearing general support for roundabouts. Um, I think maybe I've succeeded in making somebody other than me excited about the Central Park Drive project. Um, and I'm hearing that we want to explore the S-4 funding for demonstration projects on Clery. Yes. And, and deploying tactical urbanism in those areas where we can so we can get these things moving a little quicker. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the workshop. Okay. Thank you. With that, we'll adjourn.