Good evening and welcome. The Wednesday, February 7th, 2024 City of Plantation Americans with Disability Acts Transition Plan Update Workshop is now called to order at 501. Ms. Begaro, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson. Here. Council Member Andreu. Here. Council Member Fadgen. Here. Council Member Horland. Council Member Reinstein. Here. Mayor Sortel. Here. City Attorney's role. Here. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Morris, you want to do an introduction? I will just do some quick introductions with us today are Erin Urich from Kimley Horn and Christy Avalos from Accessology. As you all recall, about three years ago, we embarked upon an ADA assessment and transition plan. We are now moving into phase three. So Erin is going to sort of give you a recap of what we've done to date to get this far and sort of what's coming because we have a lot of public involvement coming over the next few months. So I'm going to turn it over to them. It should be live. And I'll just make a quick comment. I'm wearing sunglasses because I had surgery last week and not because my future is so bright. Thank you for that introduction. And then we also, Christy Avalos with Accessology, who is also our teaming partner on this project, will be helping me present some of the observations from the facility evaluations. So we appreciate everyone's time today to share updates on what we've been doing. And so a couple of the items that we're going to be covering today are going to be the city's efforts to date regarding the ADA self-evaluation and transition plan. And then also some efforts that happened prior to that. We're also going to be sharing some sample observations from our evaluations of the facilities that we looked at. We'll be talking about the implementation schedule and sharing some of the cost implications and also the time implications. And then at the end, we'll talk about public outreach efforts and what we have planned for later in the next coming weeks. And then finally, we'll talk about phase three. So city efforts to date, we were talking earlier about the parks and rec master plan. So as part of that, there were some, there was some public input given talking about the importance of ADA accessibility. And so from that, supplemental plans were developed. And one of those was the ADA transition plan. And so the initial 2020 transition plan addressed a sampling of the parks and recreation program services and activities. And then there were also nine facilities that were evaluated and 32 parks. And there were 16 and exercise trails and walkways. So the results from those evaluations were included in that 2020 transition plan. So what's been done as part of our contracts for the past several years, we started out with phase one and completed that in 2022. That looked at some of the buildings and some of the public rights of way and a sampling of some of the park facilities. And I'll talk a little bit more about these on the upcoming slides. And then we are wrapping up phase two, which looked at the remaining public rights of way. And then we also are doing some public outreach as part of that. And then phase three just started. And so our plan for that is to look at all the park, remaining park facilities, as well as program services and activities. So for phase one and phase two, this slide is listing out all the items that we did to complete the self evaluation. So we looked at existing city design standards that dealt with pedestrian facilities to make sure that they were consistent with the federal requirements and the federal standards. We evaluated all city buildings, specifically the areas that have public access. And then we looked again at those select park facilities that I mentioned. And we did a sampling just because we knew that the parks and rec master plan had already looked at some of those. So we wanted to understand what had been completed. And then we also looked at all of the public rights of ways. So this is going to be the sidewalk corridors that include sidewalk, pedestrian street crossings, pedestrian driveway crossings, curb ramps, and making sure that all of that was also in compliance. And then finally, we looked at the annex building addition construction documents to see if there were any compliance issues that we could find on paper before construction began. One of the things that we noted when we were doing those initial park amenity evaluations in the first phase was that there were some inconsistencies that we identified. So we wanted to take a deeper look at what was actually going on. So we evaluated completely Jim Ward Park and Volunteer Park to complete the evaluation of all the amenities facilities in those two locations. And then we compared those reports to what was done during the 2020 ADA transition plan for those same facilities. And I did want to quickly turn it back over to Carol so she could talk a little bit more about the implications of that. We sort of touched on this a little bit earlier. As a part of the parks and recreation master plan there was some ADA evaluation work done. When we started looking at it and comparing it with the level of detail that we were getting back from Kimley Horn and Accessology, we had some concerns that the information that we had on those facilities was not in depth enough and didn't give us a real feel for what needed to be done there to bring them into compliance. So we picked two facilities, Jim Ward and Volunteer, and we said go out and assess them and bring us back the information. And when we got back the preliminary assessments, we kind of lined the two up and compared. And it was evident that we really didn't have the information that we needed. So we went back and amended our work order and changed our scope of work to go back and evaluate those parks buildings. So that's why there's some spill over there and some of those buildings are just coming into phase three. But the quality and you're going to see some of the pictures and some of the evaluations and the information that we've been getting back. It's very helpful. And ideally it's also a learning a learning lesson for us. So that as time goes on and we start to make amends and repair some of these facilities and make the necessary renovations, we also learn what we need to be looking for and can then sort of expand our knowledge and be a little more proactive on this subject. And then finally, the transition plan update. This is actually documenting the physical barriers to access that we identified during our evaluations. But as it related to program access, we also noted some of that information as well. There are administrative requirements under Title II that the city is required to adhere to. One is designating an employee to oversee Title II compliance. So we help define the roles and responsibilities of the ADA 504 coordinator. We also help develop a grievance procedure and policy, as well as develop a complaint form so that if anyone does have any concerns, they know the process in place to get their concerns addressed. And there's a form to help facilitate the gathering of information information to help that process go more smoothly. And then the third administrative requirement was the development of an ADA notice. And so that's to make sure that everyone in the public knows the city's obligations under Title II of the ADA. And also comments on the program services and activities, ways to get effective communication, such as auxiliary aids for meetings, and generally just outlines what they can expect from the city regarding accessibility. We also looked at the prioritization criteria that would be needed to help implement the issues that we identified. And I'll talk a little bit about that later on. And then also if there were any exceptions or exemptions that we identified in the facilities, maybe based on the data construction or any historical significance, those were identified so that you guys know exactly what needs to be looked at when remediation projects come about. And then lastly, we developed the multi-year budget for accessibility improvements that we'll talk about at the end. And anytime that we're going to be doing additional evaluations such as in phase three, we're going to update the transition plan. So we did those updates after phase one and after phase two. And I'm going to turn it over to Christy to talk about the observations that we had for the buildings and for some of the parks. All right. So some of the the issues that we found common, we find them commonly across the country. So don't feel like you've done less than some of the other entities. But signage is supposed to be on the wall next to the door, not on the door, so that a person who is visually impaired, if that door is propped open, doesn't have to step into the men's room to figure out they're in the men's room. So there's specific places that people who have no vision are told to look for signage. We also found that we had some fire alarms that weren't where they were supposed to be. Maneuvering clearances on doors without proper maneuvering clearance, people using a mobility aid, whether it's a wheelchair, canes, crutches, walkers, they're not able to actually open the door and get through it properly. So we found that on both the pull side and the push side of different doors. We found in some cases the lavatory is too close to the toilet, so it doesn't allow somebody the ability to get right next to the toilet and transfer over onto it. We found restrooms that had no accessible stall at all. We found areas where a drinking fountain was provided, but there was only one, and where you have one you have to have two. One for people who use wheelchairs or people of short stature, and one for people who have trouble bending or stooping. So making sure that that we have compliant drinking fountains is part of the review process. And we did find the only one drinking fountain in several different locations. The stall door is supposed to be self-closing for the accessible stall, so that if a person doesn't have the ability to turn around and close and latch the door, at least the door closes, and they get some level of privacy. So that's just a snippet of some of the different things that we that we saw. Again, pretty common. Question real quick. How long is the water fountain one? You got to have two instead of one. Did that come into place in recent years, or was that enacted 40 years ago, or? Nineteen ninety. Nineteen ninety. Okay. Thank you. You bet. So we also evaluated all the public rights away, like I mentioned earlier. It also shows some example issues, but there was roughly 180 miles of public rights away sidewalk corridors. So again, that's the entire pedestrian path of travel, not just the sidewalk segments themselves. And some of those common issues that we found related to the surface conditions of those sidewalks or those pedestrian street and driveway crossings. If there's any instructions that were in the sidewalk itself, maybe it was a utility that was creating a vertical discontinuity, or it may be vegetation. I have a few examples of what those look like. Or it was just disruptions in the concrete itself. So heaving, sinking, cracking, and ponding. And then also cross slope. So if the perpendicular to the pedestrian path of travel, if it's sloped too much to one side, that can also create issues for someone using a mobility device. So examples of the sidewalk issues. The photo on the left is showing a sidewalk. It is covered in leaves. But part of the reason that is the case is because it has sunk down at the construction joint. And so there was ponding. And so the water and probably the wind as well brought some of those leaves in there. But it's creating a vertical discontinuity greater than a quarter of an inch, which is a tripping hazard. And then the photo on the right is showing, again, sidewalk that has heaving, sinking, and cracking in it. And that has, once it cracked, it started to create those vertical discontinuities. This can happen from tree roots, or it may just be shifting soils. Lots of reasons that it happens. But you are required to maintain your accessible routes in an accessible condition. The photo on the left hand side is showing a temporary obstruction. This is vegetation that is on the side of the pedestrian access route, and that has actually overgrown. This could also be the case if you have a vertical clearance issue on the height in which that lowest tree limb is. It can also create a challenge for someone who's not able to see it as they're walking or traversing that sidewalk. And so, again, that goes back to the maintenance of your pedestrian access routes. The photo on the right hand side is a utility obstruction. Having utilities in your sidewalk in and of itself is not a compliance issue. It's just once it starts creating that vertical discontinuity of more than a quarter of an inch, like is shown in that photo, that's when you have problems from a maintenance standpoint. The photo on the left hand side is showing excessive cross slope. It may be a little difficult to see that in the photo, but it's higher on the side with the tree because the tree roots have started elevating that sidewalk. And so it's sloped more than it should be. The photo on the right is another example. This is a little more extreme heaving and cracking in that construction joint. But again, that one's probably about two inches or more of vertical discontinuity where a quarter of an inch is the compliance threshold. And then some of the curb ramp issues that we saw along those pedestrian paths of travel. The detectable warning surface, cross slope, just like what we saw with the sidewalks, but on the curb ramp. And some other issues with the turning space and flare cross slope. I'll show you some diagrams here in the next couple slides of what we are describing for each of these. So on the left hand side of each of the next coming slides, you'll see a diagram and the portion of the curb ramp that we are talking about is going to be highlighted in red. And then we have a photo. The top one is going to be a compliant example and the bottom one is going to be a non-compliant example. So that's the layout of the next couple slides. This one in particular is looking at detectable warning surfaces. And these are required at curb ramps in the public rights of way at intersections. And so the yellow truncated domes that are in the top photo are what you would expect to see. And then on the bottom for that curb ramp bottom photo, the curb ramp on the bottom does not have those. Next is going to be the cross slope of the curb ramp run. So on the diagram, it is the perpendicular to the pedestrian path of travel going down the curb ramp. And again, a little hard to see slopes in the photos, but that's why we provided that diagram for you. Top photo is a compliant cross slope, but on the photo on the bottom, the ramp starts tapering down at a pretty steep angle as it enters the street and that's creating a cross slope that's in excess of 2%. And then for the top of the curb ramp, there's a landing or turning space where somebody can maneuver to turn directions. And so that is also required to be no more than 2%. So there were some issues with that for the curb ramp that was in the photo on the bottom. And then for flare cross slope, you can see in the diagram on the left hand side, those are the wings that are on the curb ramp. And so those are not allowed to be more than 10% in cross slope. And the top photo, it's very gradual. There's not any slope issues there, but on the bottom, you can see it's a lot shorter distance. And so it's creating a larger slope and that is not allowed. So one of the things before we show you the cost implications of all of this, just wanted to remind everyone where we are in the accessibility project planning process and where the ADA transition plan falls in relationship to this entire process. So just like all your other master plans that we have listed there in step one, which is the master planning step, the multimodal master plan, the midtown master plan, the parks and rec master plan, your ADA transition plan is a master plan for accessibility. So this is a long range planning document to help you with barrier removal over time. So the next step is really going to be to make sure that you get design completed for these facilities before you start implementation. You want to make sure that you're addressing all the accessibility issues that we identified and you're not creating new ones in the process. So it's important to take a look at it holistically. In the public rights way, for example, we recommend looking at improvements on an intersection by intersection basis versus just simply fixing a single curb ramp. In all likelihood, it's going to create a domino effect. And that could very likely be the same case for buildings where you might have multiple solutions to a particular issue. And trying to find the most cost effective solution may take a little bit of design up front to understand what that looks like. And then also there's sometimes aesthetic upgrades that you guys might want to consider, say, for example, a bathroom remodel. As you're addressing the individual accessibility issues, it might just make sense to give a bathroom a refresh. One of those things to keep in mind, as you see the cost estimates, is our cost estimates do not include those aesthetic improvements. But it is something to also consider in your budgets as you move forward. And then step three is developing the opinion of probable construction costs. So that typically accompanies any design plans that you have. And you do want to make sure that it's reflecting market conditions at the time that the construction is going to occur. And we saw a huge increase in costs when we had COVID. We were seeing costs that were double, triple, and quadruple what we would normally see. But we did not add a factor into our cost estimates because you might not be making these improvements for another five, ten years. And so you might not have those same market challenges at that time. And then lastly, it's actually going to be the construction and implementation of these improvements. And so once that occurs, you're going to want to update your transition plan to reflect that those barriers to access have been removed and make sure that you're moving towards full compliance and just tracking your progress and what you've done. So the cost estimates that you see on the slide are only reflective of what we evaluated in phases one and two. These will be updated after we complete phase three. So I would be expecting these to go up slightly. As I mentioned on the previous slide, you know, this also doesn't include those cost considerations that I was discussing. So those need to be considered when you're looking at long range budget planning. But really, there's flexibility in this schedule. And there's an opportunity to potentially accelerate the schedule. You're going to be using this transition plan on an annual basis during your budgeting cycle to understand where you can make improvements. And an important thing to remember is that, you know, these may not be standalone ADA improvement projects. You may already have a project that's planned out and you simply need to make sure that the improvements that are going to be incorporated into that project are happening. And so the funding may already be available. It's not a separate line item. And so that's why you may have an opportunity to accelerate this implementation schedule. You may realize that you also need to change it annually. And so you guys are able to do that as needed to implement this plan over time. And one example of that, the City Hall grant that was recently received to make accessibility improvements. Perfect example of how there's funding from other sources that you're going to be able to use to address some of the issues that we found in City Hall. And then the order in which these projects are completed is really going to be dependent on several factors. We've made these recommendations, but ultimately it's up to the city to decide what is going to work best for you. This is your plan, and so we only want to point you in the right direction. Some of those considerations would be existing complaints. If there are real concerns out there, maybe something was down lower on the implementation schedule. Maybe it was five or ten years out, but it's a concern and an issue for someone immediately. Those are things that you would want to look at and consider moving up the list in priority order. Also, public input that we're going to talk about. You know, you may uncover something that you didn't realize was an issue for someone, and so that might help increase its priority level for you. And then also looking at Department of Justice priorities. So within the reports that we developed for the facilities, we looked at accessible parking, the accessible route to the accessible entrance, and then once inside, the access to goods and services, and also, for example, restroom facilities, telephones if they exist, drinking fountains, things like that. If you can't get someone able, you know, they can't park in an accessible parking space, and they can't get into the building, probably starting out with the restroom facilities isn't the order in which you want to complete those improvements. I mentioned available funding earlier. If you already have funding programmed out, there's no reason not to address those projects first versus those that may not have funding allocated. And then within our reports, we did help identify severity of noncompliance from the standards that are in place, so you can see how much of an issue it actually is. And then also looking at proximity to pedestrian attractors, and if you host events or other programs, services, or activities at those facilities. Anywhere that the public's going to come, you want to look at potentially addressing those issues first in those facilities. One of the other items that we helped the city do is develop a dashboard, and this is an online dashboard that uses GIS data, so it's through Esri, it's through your portal that you already have in place. We just got access so we could import everything and help develop this, so this is going to be your tool to use moving forward. Your GIS staff is aware of how to use it, and we're here to assist with updates as needed, but we want to make you guys self-sufficient. So we've set this up so that you guys can use it annually, and particularly if you're not a GIS user, this is going to be a great place for you to go to filter through the data, to understand cost implications. Maybe it's just selecting a certain corridor that you want to look at for public rights away improvements, or maybe selecting a subset of buildings or parks for implementation. The costs that are on the right-hand side are going to be dynamic by your selections, and so it'll be very easy for you to understand the budget for that year. Implementation year can also be added to this, so you can sort to see what's happened as you begin your implementation process. And the last part of phase two that we're wrapping up is the public input process, and so we've developed a public access survey. On the slide there's a screenshot of just a handful of the questions that we have online. The hyperlink to that survey is also noted below the slide, which is www.surveymonkey.com forward slash r forward slash ADA underbar plantation. And we also have a QR code on the next slide that will be available if anyone wants to scan it while we're in this meeting. But this survey covers questions related to buildings, parks, trails. It talks about physical accessibility, but also programmatic accessibility, and communication issues that people might potentially be having. So we try to make it an all-encompassing survey, and then also had, you know, if we potentially missed a question, there's some catch-all questions at the end just to make sure anybody's comments and concerns can be captured within this web survey. And I'm just going to leave this up here for a minute in case anyone would like to scan the QR code with your phones to get direct access to the survey. Is anyone scanning? All right. And then one of the other tools that we made is an online map. So this works very similar to Google, where you can zoom in, you can have an aerial overlay, or you can simply have the streets overlay, so that you can also provide input related to the public rights away or specific buildings. But sometimes it's easier for people to point and click at the area of concern. So we wanted to provide another way to provide the same input that someone might input on the survey. And there's a URL that's under that as well. All this information will be posted on the city's website. So if somebody wants to go to the website to go to the direct links, those will be available also. And then we will be hosting a public meeting on March 28th at 6 p.m. That will be at Broward Mall in the Plantation Police Department Outreach Center. That room is located just off of the accessible parking and directly into the mall entrance. So we feel like that's a fairly convenient place for people to be able to attend the meeting. If anyone does need accommodations, they can contact the city in advance of that meeting to request those. And then lastly, for phase three, that's the phase that we just started. We will be evaluating current services, policies and practices. And we are currently working with staff to identify what those are going to be. So to be determined on the list. But that is something that if there is a need for modification to make sure that those program services and activities are readily accessible by someone with a disability, that's going to be our goal. And doing those evaluations is to provide guidance to the city on how to make those accessible. And then we'll be evaluating those remaining recreational facilities and the parks facilities that we talked about earlier on, where we realized that there was a need to do a more detailed evaluation. And then we will be updating the transition plan to account for all of the updated information that we find. With that, we'd be happy to answer any questions that you guys may have. Thank you. Thank you. I guess I have one question, maybe one or two questions. When did the ADA Act get passed? That was 1990, 1992? It was in 1990. And then it was, Christy, you have the dates exactly. It was July 26, 1991. All right. Yeah, 26, 1990. Okay. So after the Act was passed, when was a reasonable expectation that the requirements of the ADA be implemented in construction of buildings? So the stand- Because the question- I'm sorry. Oh, no. The question- we've had- we've built buildings since 1990 of the passing of the Act, and they got problems. And it's sort of like, that's very frustrating to me that you would think that after the Act was passed, those buildings would be- City Hall, 1973. We got a lot of work to do here. But Jim Ward, why does that building have problems? Or was it built per spec and then the requirements changed because they enhanced them? I mean, did we mess up? In a word? Yeah, probably. The- Can we sue our architects and engineers? Because that's who we relied on, you know? So the- You're not the only one. Okay. This- This has happened a lot. And it's because there was no real enforcement activity written into the law. The law is written in a way that you don't know that you have a problem until somebody sues you. Okay. And so since there wasn't really the enforcement arm, a lot of people didn't do it, for one thing. It didn't become a priority unless you as the- as the client made sure it was in your documentation. So that's one of the things that we're looking at is- So it could have been a- just a decision that we decided not to implement it because looking at the law, there was really nothing to compel us to do it other than it's federal law. Right. And then in 2010, at the 20th anniversary, they decided to tie compliance to funding. Okay. And so at this point, you're not eligible for- or you may not be eligible for federal funding, federal grants and things like that, unless you have a transition plan in place, which is part of the reason that we're trying to get you into the right position. Okay. I appreciate the explanation because I always found that extremely frustrating when I see that all this money that we're going to have to spend to get the city compliant, and we've built buildings since the passing of the act and- To answer the other thing that you mentioned, though, is the law did change in 2010. Uh-huh. However, elements that you already fixed to bring them into compliance with the older standard are safe harbored, so you didn't have to do it twice. Okay. Okay. Thank you. You bet. Council Member Horland. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you for the presentation. Just two quick- one question and a comment. On page 20, if you're going to use this presentation going forward, the top photo is actually the southwest corner, so you might want to change that identifier. Thank you for that. Sure. And then my other question was, is the dashboard live? And that may be for Carol, because I see the other elements on our website already. It is live. I know that there was a revamp of the ADA page within the past week or so, and so that will be made available, I believe, this week if it's not already. Okay. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. Thank you very much, and great point by you, Council President Fadgen. Thank you. I asked the same question. Back to her in the calendar, there was a 13th Street intersecting with Sunrise. I don't think they intersect unless it's over by Plantation High, and maybe it does. It's not a big deal. Secondly, well, other than this, is we've been talking about this ADA things for months now, and this is part of a process that, as administratively, we've been working on how to balance it out. We have to show progress that we're making the effort toward it. We don't have to be completely compliant, but we have to show that we're trying. So that's the good part. And we have Carol, and Carol will make sure we are trying. So much appreciation to you. Don't comment on that. Take the compliment. Second, no, I'm going to keep talking. You can't interrupt me. I'm the mayor. So the other question I have for you is, were you talking about us forming a committee at the end? Is that what that is, and what's that committee going to consist of? Let her answer it. I was going to say, Carol, you can go ahead. What's the committee consist of? How's it get formed? Tell me about that, please. So one of the first steps that we took in trying to begin the public outreach process was compile disability organization contact information that, for those organizations, they may not necessarily be in plantation, but they serve the greater plantation area or Broward. And so we were trying to do direct outreach to those organizations to see if they would be willing to have someone participate on that committee to get more focused feedback. And so they're the ones most effective and they're the ones who know the granular info and we need them. Correct. And we were trying to get representation from groups that represented varying disabilities so that you got a broad range of feedback from different groups. And so that is still a work in progress. And Carol can touch a little bit more on that. But we are hoping that through the public outreach process, they can outreach to their constituents to help get more input as we move forward. Thanks. Thank you. I was just going to mention one thing, and that is because the other hat I wear all day long is risk management. So I feel like I've personally viewed every cracked piece of sidewalk in the city. And much of what Erin has spoken about, particularly on public rights of way, those are things that can be addressed also solving your risk management issues. Because if we are meeting FDOT standard, which is the quarter inch lift that you heard her mention, we're also minimizing our risk risk management claims. So there's sort of a double benefit there. Also, with regard to the meeting on the 28th, that is a public meeting. So you will see social media pushes and things like that to make people aware of that meeting if they wish to attend. You also are going to see social media pushes on the survey. And additionally, Michelle has put together some little sheets that are about this big that we can put at the public counters of some of our buildings where we have residents in and out on a frequent basis that include the QR code so that they can get to the survey as well. Councilmember Andrea? Thank you for the presentation. A couple of questions and comments. So in terms of the meeting, the location was moved. So I just want to point that out because it is different from the published agenda, which I think was a good move because you'll probably hopefully get a larger audience. But I just want to make sure that people are aware that what's published in the agenda is different. Also, in terms of what you said about doing kind of aesthetically pleasing upgrades because of ADA, I think our women's restroom is a perfect example, right? So now it's ADA compliant back here and it looks great. We upgraded it. It's beautiful. Are we changing the door now? Because like you said, so now these things snowball. So now we have this very modern ADA friendly or compliant. I don't know which term you like better or if there's a preference. But yeah, so they do definitely have a domino effect. And as like you mentioned, we budget, we definitely have to keep that in mind and consider all of those factors because the door has to has to be changed now, Mayor. Also, my question is, have we had any grievances or complaints within the last year, which is probably I don't know if HR, do the complaints go to HR or to you, Ms. Morris, if we have an ADA? Okay, so have we had any in the past year that you're aware of? Sorry. Don't be a rookie. I should do that. Yeah, the city clerk in me should know that I have to step up to the microphone. I don't believe we've had any in the last year. If we have maybe one, we honestly have not had a tremendous amount of complaints. Where we have complaints, we've tried to be proactive and get the situation addressed as quickly as possible or find a reasonable accommodation. And then the ADA notice, you said you upgraded that or revised that notice. So is that being printed? And is it published throughout the various website? But I mean, is it physically, because correct me if I'm wrong, I thought legally, it had to be like posted, say, in the break rooms and in various areas throughout the facilities? Correct. There's an ongoing obligation to provide that notice. And so it can be distributed in various means. It doesn't specify how you have to do it. But if you have bulletin boards that you have in your public facilities, posting it there, if you, the website obviously is a place that you have it. But just anywhere that the public would typically look for information provided by the city, it would be good to have that available. But not just for the public. I'm thinking more, I know our HR director's not here, but more for employees as well. And that's something that we, the focus of the self evaluation and transition plan is Title II. And so employment is covered under Title I. So we are not addressing that. But there are some, and if you would like to know more, Chrissy can help inform you about those requirements. But just to let you know, that's not what we're doing as part of this. Okay. Okay. And my last comment really is about the survey. So when are you closing the survey? Do you have a date that you want to close it? Did we come up with an end date for that yet? I think, I think it's just to be determined. Okay. Because we're, we're still going to be updating the plan through phase three, it makes sense to keep it open, you know, through at least towards the end of that, if we need to, just because we'll have an opportunity to update the transition plan and make sure all of that is the feedback is incorporated. So that's something that is still to be determined. But we will post that deadline on this, on the website, where we have the link for the survey and anywhere else that it may be noted. And again, because of what we're discussing, have we considered maybe having hard copies of this? I know the QR code and I love QR codes, but we know that not all of our population is techie. So have you considered maybe just still having some papers? I'm, I'm worried your return rate is going to be very low. The survey is a little redundant to me, like the question, it's long, it's 27 questions. It's long. People like tend to have survey fatigue and not complete it. So I'm very concerned that you're going to have a low return rate. Okay. We appreciate the input. Thank you. Council member Reinstein. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. A couple questions or a few questions. Um, the pictures, our PowerPoint was great. Um, the pictures that showed compliant and non-compliant, I know, um, council president Fadgen asked regarding the buildings. Um, the ones that are talking about the curb ramps and the slopes, um, were those ever compliant or were those always non-compliant? That really is something that I can't necessarily tell you. If it was a concrete, uh, disruption issue where you had the heaving, sinking, cracking, ponding, I would have to assume that the concrete was good on the day it was constructed. And over time, it's just become a maintenance issue. Uh, but some of the other items may have been non-compliant from day one, but there's no way for us to say with certainty if they, if they truly were. Um, if it was a width, um, if with issue, I mean, obviously that didn't change. So we would be able to tell from that, but typically the curb ramps, when we find issues, it's multiple issues and not necessarily just one. So at this point, you're presenting the fact is that it's non-compliant now, whether, when it became non-compliant is, is less relevant. Correct. Um, and in the, the discussion regarding implementation and prioritization, I understand that this is going to be a process, um, and this may be more for Carol, but, um, you know, for example, the, the signs on the door, right? And you gave us some example that there shouldn't be signs on the door. They should be next to the door. Um, that would seem to me to be maybe an easy fix, right? That, um, doesn't have to wait for the whole process to play out. Is that something that, um, is, you know, that you, you see can be implemented, um, prior to formalizing a prioritization? There are some pieces of that that we have already started working on. Um, I want to speak to one of the points Aaron made earlier, which is, you know, if, if you have barriers to getting into the building, fixing the bathrooms, it's a little out of order. We have a similar problem with some of our facilities in that we don't have true building accessibility and we don't have good way finding. So those pieces are being looked at sort of first, let's get you safely to the building before we told that totally makes sense. Um, other than if there are quick, essentially quick fixes, um, I'd hate to say that we didn't move a sign that could have quickly been moved because we were waiting for something big outside that's going to take a long time. And, and some of our signage issues go beyond just moving the signs because the signs also need to have Braille and pieces like that. So it's all in process in various stages. Some of it will move at various points because some of it ties into other projects that the city already has in process. So, and it's somewhat related and this one is in regards to the water fountains. Um, I recognize that if they should all have at least two and where we have one that, that may take quite a while to actually, um, bring where, bring, bring it to the point where we want it to be. I'm wondering though, is that, um, kind of the same thing is that we may say that some of those parks need the prioritization to get into the parks and get to the water fountains. But when I think of water, I think of, you know, a necessity for the people using our parks, um, just like accessing it, right? And if there is a temporary fix, um, of some kind of water coolers in some locations, just until we get to the point where we want to be, I'd hate to think that we're not, you know, trying to think outside the box of ways to make sure that we're doing all we can. That's a great example of a reasonable accommodation. Thank you. Thank you. Um, I do not see any other questions. So thank you for your presentation. Very informative and feel like we're on our way. Thank you. Um, before I adjourned the meeting, the mayor requested a field trip. We, uh, we, uh, we got our designation for our tree, uh, city USA back and he wants us to go outside and take a picture before it gets too dark. So yeah, we got our tree city designation. Uh, we invited landscape to do things. We have our tree city flag and I would like for us to go out there, do a photo op, raise the flag and think landscape while we're at it. All right. We're adjourned everybody. 546.