City Council — Feb 12, 2025

Good evening and welcome. The Wednesday, June 12, 2025, City of Plantation City Council meeting is now called to order. The time is 6.10 p.m. City Clerk, Ms. Beggarrow, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson. Here. Council Member Andrew. Here. Council Member Fadgen. Here. Council Member Horland. Here. Council Member Reinstein. Here. Mayor Sortel. Here. City Attorney Ezra. Here. Tonight's opening remarks and Pledge of Allegiance will be provided by Council Member Anderson. Hi, everybody. Hi, everybody. You can stay seated for this part. I just have a little recognition of Valentine's Day, which is this Friday. So we all understand that the current Valentine's Day standards revolve around love. But did you know that St. Valentine's was also the patron saint of beekeepers and also epilepsy? He's even known to prevent plague and fainting and to guard travelers. So the little facts I didn't know, well, I guess they're facts. At least I read it on the Internet. It's possible that Jeffrey Chaucer, the poet, the famous poet, might have created the February 14th event. One of his poems refers to February 14th as the day the birds and the bees and humans come together to find a mate. Maybe that's where the birds and the bees phrase comes from. Whatever your reason to celebrate or not, I'll leave you with a few famous quotes. Where there is love, there is life. That's from Mahatma Gandhi. And the best thing to hold on to in life is each other. That's from Audrey Hepburn. And the last one is from a famous cartoon sketch artist that created the Peanuts cartoon, Charles Schultz. And he said, all you need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. So however you choose to spend February 14th, and in my mind, the other 364 days a year too. Seriously, folks, it shouldn't be one day a year that you should be doing this. Try to share some of your love in some way in this world so you help all the rest of its occupants. And with that, I'm going to invite Plantation Elementary School, 5,000 black men. What? 5,000 role models. Mix my groups up. They're young men. 5,000 role models to come up and lead us in the pledge. Can everybody please stand? And we also have our South Plantation High School American Sign Language sign interpreters. Nope, the boys, you can right in front, just gather all on the podium, roll the microphone down, push the, thank you, Jason. And we have our ASL interpreters. Guys, don't be shy. Gather up around that mic, huddle all up there, and take it away. Just start to say it. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Please be seated. Boys, if you guys can just step over a little, actually step around, and I'll get you right after them, like we said. Boys, if you could stay right there. Our spokesperson, if you could take the lead, tell us your name and tell us a tiny bit about your organization. My name is Caden Hampton, and 5,000 Role Models is an organization that helps young men all around the world conquer their fears and challenges and become role models for other young men. That's right, and you just faced one right now, public speaking. Good job. So the rest of you could just tell me your name and grade level. Come on up, just take one at a time. That's all you've got to do. My name is Andre Redding, and I am in fifth grade. Okay. You can pull it down. There you go. My name is Amir Vesey, and I'm in fourth grade. All right. My name is Hardy Matthews V, and I'm in fifth grade. Okay. Keep it coming, guys. Step up. My name is Marvin Ilgis, and I'm in fifth grade. My name is Caden Joinville, and I'm in fifth grade. My name is Quinty Joseph, and I'm in fifth grade. Okay. My name is Mason Barnes, and I'm in fifth grade. And if I could have the spokesperson come back up. Is this the first year that you just had induction? This is the first year this is going? Yes. Okay. Excellent. Outstanding. You guys look great. I love the ties. I love the outfits. Way to go. Thanks for being here. I appreciate what you're doing. That's good for everybody. Thank you very much. You're welcome. And if we could have our ASL kids come up and just introduce yourselves briefly. If you guys could step back. Thank you very much for coming. And, Doctor, I forgot your last name, representing Plantation Elementary. Harley? Yes. Thank you for helping the group and bringing them out here. Thank you very much. Hi, guys. Hello. Could you say your name? And you're from South Plantation? Yes. My name is Darren Serrano. I'm a junior at South Plantation High School, and I'm president of ASL Club. My name is Leah Mion. I'm also a junior at South Plantation, and I am vice president of ASL Club. And for those who don't know, ASL is American Sign Language. So thank you very much. Thanks for coming out. We really appreciate you. We love South Plantation. We love our local paladins. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Anderson. Thank you to all the students. And next on our list, items submitted by the mayor. We have a proclamation for Black History Month. You're up, mayor. I am. We have one today, and I am delighted to be joined by NAA. LACP of Broward, President Marsha Ellison. And I think this is the first time we've been here. I have never been invited and never been in this building until today. So thank you for that. Okay. Welcome. That's what we're going to do then. You have a standing welcome here, and you're welcome here anytime you would like to come here. We'd love to see you again. Thank you. So I'll read this part and then, yeah, okay. Proclamation, whereas since 1976, every United States president has officially designated the month of February's Black History Month to honor and affirm the importance of black history throughout our American experience, and whereas the United States joins other countries around the world in devoting a month to recognize black history, and whereas the observance of Black History Month began in 1926 when Harvard-trained historian Carter Woodson and minister Jesse Moreland sponsored the first national Negro History Week, which was celebrated the second week in February, and later in the 1960s, the observance evolved into Black History Month. And whereas much of the city of Plantation's honor, strength, and success can be attributed to the diversity of cultures and traditions that are celebrated by the residents of this great city, and whereas African Americans have played a significant role and made lasting contributions to our city's history and the history of Florida's economic, cultural, spiritual, and political development, and whereas Black History Month is a time for all Americans to remember the contributions and legacy of those who helped build our nation, fought against prejudice, advanced the cause of civil rights for all Americans, and strengthen our families and communities. Now, therefore, I, Nick Soto Mayor, and the City Council of Plantation, do hereby proclaim the month of February 2025 as Black History Month. Thank you. Governor, thank you. Mr. Mayor, Council, thank you so much for the invitation. On behalf of our chairman of the board, Mr. Leon W. Russell, our president and CEO, Mr. Derek Johnson, the 64 members of our National Board of Directors, our state president, Adora Obenueze, and all of the members of the Fort Lauderdale Broward branch of the NAACP, we certainly say thank you for recognizing that black history is American history. And we have been, this branch was charted actually, yesterday was actually our charter day, and we have been in this community for 79 years. We will celebrate ADM next year, and we want to know that, I don't care, you all may have seen on the news, the incident we had at the office, we are going to do what's right and what's just for all the citizens, regardless of how many bullets come through our window. So we're going to be all right, we're going to continue the mission, because we know what's right and what's just belongs to everyone. And this is our Founders' Day, nationally we're celebrating, so what better way than to come here someplace I've never come before. I don't intend to make it my last trip. And so we, it's good to start on a positive note, and I hope that we can continue in this direction. I want to invite you all to our 22nd annual Evening with the Black Judges. There are 12 sitting black judges now, there are three that are retired that will be there. We will have our judicial magistrates, and all of our community will come out and say hello and salute all of our judiciary that have fought so hard, and do the good and just work of Broward County. Thank you all. Thank you very much. All right. Right there? Don't turn that. Thank you, Mayor. Next up, Parks and Recreation upcoming events, Director Tricia O'Toole. Good evening, Councilmembers, Mayor, Mr. Ezreal. A couple of events we have in Parks and Recreation this Saturday, February 15th. We have our movies in the park at 6 p.m. That's at Jim Ward Community Center, and we're showing Beetlejuice. Monday, February 17th, Kids Day Off at Volunteer Park. Monday, February 24th, we have a senior trip to Pop Stroke, 10 to 2. That's like a mini golf type thing. Pretty cool, I guess. So registration is now open for that. Saturday, March 1st, we've got Dr. Seuss' birthday celebration at the Plantation Community Center. In our tennis division, Friday, February 21st, we're having a first-time event at the pickleball courts called Pickleball Dink, Drink, and Dine at 6.30 p.m. of Light Bites and Drinks and an exhibition followed by a round-robin pickleball tournament. Friday, February 28th, we've got our glow-in-the-dark tennis event at the Veltree Tennis Center. In the aquatics division, this weekend, we have a Southern Zone South Sectional Championship swim meet. The aquatics complex will be closed tomorrow at noon and will reopen on Monday, the 17th. In the athletics division, this weekend, we also have the Westin Cup Soccer Tournament that will take place from Friday, the 14th, to Monday, the 17th. And PAL, we're currently registering cheerleading in spring basketball. Thank you. One moment. Council Member Andrea. Thank you, President Einstein. Ms. O'Toole, two questions for you. One, I saw today that we are changing kind of the format of our Earth Day celebration. Yes, that is going to be in conjunction with the April Rock the Park Concert. We had numbers decreased from the first year to last year when it was held at Volunteer Park, so we're trying to change it up this year. And I believe Joel Schick, the Assistant Director, has been working with the Sustainability Advisory Board to plan the events for that event. But it will be, I believe, April 5th, I believe, is the Saturday. Okay. I was concerned, too, because it's a lot later. So I am worried that we won't have the same turnout. But I'll wait and see. We're going to see how it goes. Yeah. We don't want to keep doing the same thing if the numbers were decreasing. So we're going to give it a shot and see how we do. Okay. Okay. I have some concerns, but I'll circle back with you about those. Yep. Also, I just found out from some of the Orange Bowl committee members that we're not going to be hosting the Junior Orange Bowl Tennis Clinic anymore. That is correct. That is very disappointing. It's been here, I think, for about 14, 15 years. Yep. We actually had a meeting with the Orange Bowl, the mayor and I, and some of my staff. We've been in talks with trying to get a long-term deal with them for about the last two years. We even showed them the Central Park Master Plan, some of the thoughts we had about adding a true stadium court, things of that nature. And I believe they were, from what we've been told at the meeting we just had about two weeks ago, they were a little more attracted to the city of Fort Lauderdale and the Jimmy Everett Tennis Center. They liked the history of Chris Everett. They liked the location of the beaches, the restaurants that are in Fort Lauderdale. So it was nothing from what they portrayed to us that we did. It was just they preferred that location. And they're actually undergoing, I want to say, about a $10 million renovation to that facility. So they're hoping that we'll be ready and open by December of this year. So I feel like we tried to keep them here, but unfortunately they wanted to be in Fort Lauderdale. Thank you for sharing that information. And just so you all know and the public knows, I will be still meeting with members, particularly the CEO, because I don't want them to leave Plantation altogether. So I've already verbally proposed to them about doing a stadium with Plantation High School, a football stadium at Plantation High School. So I'm going to stay on top of that. And I want them to still invest in our Plantation community. So whatever that looks like. No, and we still have several events throughout the year with them. We have the Girls 14 Clay Tournament in July. They're going to be adding some smaller tournaments to make up for the Orange Bowl. So we'll still have a relationship with them. We just won't have the Orange Bowl for now. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. Dr. O'Toole, Mayor, did you want to chime in? Yeah, I guess I should give you all the background. We've been talking with them for a couple of years. And they have been, first off, we got the Orange Bowl because we were clay courts. And they were looking for a clay court event. And that has now changed. What has also changed is live sports on TV is gold. That's the one thing you can't zip through on your remote. So they wanted live TV. They want a TV-type event, which means they also want a stadium. So if they were going to build the stadium and the live event, that would all come together. They didn't think that came together here. That comes together in Fort Lauderdale. So it will be a TV show now. I don't know how you feel about 14-year-olds playing tennis. Well, we put Little League World Series on, so it's kind of the same thing. But there were many plays that kind of lined up that get them to where they want to go and what they want as a TV show. Thank you, Mayor. And, Director, before you leave, I just wanted to personally thank you and your department for putting together the NOVA exhibition trip for the City of Plantation residents. We've talked about that at prior meetings, and you put it together. And I've heard feedback that the residents were very thankful and found it very impactful and powerful. So thank you for helping to arrange that. You're welcome. I have to thank the staff that was able to put it together in such a short time frame. So glad we could make it happen. Thank you. Wonderful. Thank you. So next on our agenda, public requests of the Council regarding municipal affairs. Those who wish to speak, we request that you complete a speaker form if you have not done so already. Please state your name and address, and please address your remarks to the Council President, not the Mayor, nor individual members of the Council. Please keep your remarks to the allotted three minutes. If extra time will be needed to conclude your remarks, please ask for it as your time is expiring and not prior to beginning your remarks. I have a number of common cards already, and I will call those individuals up one at a time. First, Mr. Conklin. So as you know, there is no such thing as reserving your time nor yielding. However, Mr. Hooley is also on the list, so I will call it Mr. Hooley. And Mr. Hooley, just to be sure here is that I have your card, which didn't initially list for public requests of comments. You had you on the consent agenda on legislative items. Okay, so we're not up to that yet. Sit back down, please. So Mr. Conklin, did you have any public requests of the Council? Dr. Long, public requests of the Council. Mr. Conklin, you're coming up. Thank you. So, Dr. Long, you'll be next. You stopped, Mr. Conklin, to talk. Come on down. Thank you. Sorry. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest 6 Court. I thought he wasn't on the agenda, so I asked for him to do public requests. Apologies to him. How many hosts protect you? And your family? Public request number one, I was here last time to ask for sign changes for the street out here, 5th Street, for Ronald Reagan Way. And I spoke with some of the city people, and they said that because university and sunrise are not city streets, it'd be tough. So my public request is to name Ronald Reagan Way for 5th Street and 70th Avenue intersection, and 65th Avenue and Plantation Road intersection. And I got a couple thousand bucks if it takes that much to get the signs up. Request number two, since 2021, I've been requesting that you defund and discontinue mandatory DEI, CT, CRT, ESG training for city employees. Request number three, defund and cease all city electric vehicle and equipment purchases. It was just announced over the weekend, Ford loses, on average for its fleet, $49,000 per electric vehicle it produces. Let's help them stop having to lose money. Request number four, I'd like to have you encourage the Florida legislature to rapidly approve the Florida Bullion Depository and move swiftly for constitutional Article I, Section 10, transactional gold and silver for tender, legal tender. The CAFRA for September 30th of 2023, which is the last one we have, we're waiting for 2024. Gold closed at $1,874.50. Today it closed at $2,919.70. That is a 55.8% loss of dollar purchasing power, which you guys are trying to scramble to make up. Request number five, encourage Florida legislature to join Texas and Kansas in the Florida lawsuit against Pfizer's fraud and to join Anthony Fauci's lawsuits for violation of state criminal violations. Request number six, does the city give its employees and police officers an annual statement of condition of their pension? I get one every year from mine. And today I attended the police officers pension board. It might behoove you to do that if you're not doing it. I know that I have to receive mine under federal penalty if they don't. May I extend 30 seconds? 30 seconds, Mr. Conklin. Very good. I would just like to encourage the city to do that. I was looking again, and I didn't see that in any of the city information when I get the CAFRA. So thank you. I'll yield back. Thank you, Mr. Conklin. Dr. Long. Good evening. I'm Julie Long, 972 West Tropical Way. Tonight I'm here to talk about our most important environmental resource, our most important resource, which is our children. We've seen some inspiring young people, again, even this evening. Some of them have come to city council meetings. They've accepted awards. They come to make comments. I think the city has a tremendous opportunity to engage in many more ways with our young residents. Of course I would like to see them working on environmental issues with the amazing city staff. I can envision them volunteering to remind adults how to recycle at Rock the Park or planting native plants in our parks. I would be happy to discuss this further as I have many ideas how we can involve our youth more actively in our city. And I was reminded when I walked in this evening to just mention this Saturday, February 15th, at West Regional Library at 3 o'clock. We're going to be several environmental organizations as part of their film series for this year, showing a film called Bittersweet Muck. It's about the sugar cane industry. Sasha Jones is going to be there as one of the panelists. The former mayor, Pahoki, who was involved in the process and in the film, will be there, as well as the producer of the film. Registration is required, but I think there will be some no-shows. So if you haven't registered and you show up at West Regional, film should start a little bit after 3. We'd love to see you. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Long. Any other public comments from the audience that has not yet filled out a form? Seeing none. City Clerk, any comments online? Anybody register or speak online? Last call. Public requests of the council regarding municipal affairs are now closed. We'll now move to the consent agenda. The consent agenda consists of items 1 through 16 and may be approved with one motion. I already have a number from the public, as well. Does any member of the council wish to pull an item? Four and nine. Five and six, please. And I also have numbers 1 and 15 from the public. Is there a motion for the remaining items? Motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. Ms. Beggarro, please call the roll. With the exception? Well, it was for the remaining items. Okay. So there was a first and a second for all the items that were not called. Okay. Ms. Beggarro, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andrew? Are you? Yes. Council Member Fajin? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. We're going to go in order. I have Mr. Nguyen for number one. Evening. It's rare that things start so fast. Try to be efficient here, Mr. Nguyen. Oh, I love it. All right. Joe Nguyen, 944 Northwest 92nd Terrace. I will try to get through. Very simply, I think we would kind of know my perspectives on this. I'm just going to summarize through. The bridge doesn't fit the stated goals that we've claimed for development patterns of Midtown that we're trying to create into the future. The consultants on the project do acknowledge that it will induce car usage, which will increase traffic in all of the places, including the ones we're trying to relieve, maybe after a few years of slight reductions on the two arterial corridors. Then it gets worse, and we have fewer ways to address that problem because we have more options for driving, thus incentivizing it. I did ride my bike on the Greenway this weekend, and it does not need more roadway connections cutting into Midtown. What we need to be doing is the opposite, encouraging redevelopment in that area and info to increase the walkable connectivity to the businesses and residences that are there or will be there. That idea is about 30 years old. Seems good. Feels good. Right? And it seems like it should work. It doesn't. The sense that people entering Midtown by car from the south is not beneficial nor useful as you can enter from University of Pinelland, turn to the first roadway, be it Southwest 13th Place or Peters, it would only cut a larger road-shaped walkability barrier into that portion of Midtown. For places that are lauded, sorry, it's a little loud, that are lauded for the walkability, bike infrastructure and road safety, when a roadway is seen to approach capacity, the strategy is to work to reduce car demand in those cases. Essentially, if there are more people using it, you want to actually reduce the demand, not facilitate more demand. In Midtown, that's the approach we should be following, those that have advanced beyond our approaches. And maybe this is a little controversial, but plantation doesn't actually have traffic. We have peak hour congestion. Traffic is different. A focus on walkable development coordination with Broward Transit for Primo, collaboration with microtransit integration of bike facilities and approval of projects which reduce the need for people to do short drives, which are the most common, most are under two miles, can take more cars off the road than this project would, excuse me, temporarily shift. And that approach also has benefits for the whole city tax base and resident safety, comfort, and small business success because, once again, cars don't buy things, people do. And on that, thanks very much. Thank you, Mr. Nguyen. Any other comments on item number one? Did you? I'll make the motion. Go ahead, please. Motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. Seeing no further comments, Ms. Beggaro, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Council Member Fadgen, number four. Thank you. There he is. Notwithstanding obvious benefit in public interest served, procurement exemptions. Yes. Again, I think Council Member Reinstein, President Reinstein, spoke to these procurement exemptions last week and in the meeting, or not last week, but the last meeting and the week before that, I believe Council Member Andreu has brought this up. Did we get an additional discount for such a large purchase coming off that list? We bundled such a large bundle of cars, $860,000 worth of cars and vehicles. So the pricing itself listed on the FSA is already discounted through their economy to scale. And, yes, we do negotiate further discounts as we are bundling or packaging our vehicles. Did we get a bigger discount? I didn't see that. Well, it doesn't say discount. So it's off manufacturer list. Well, there's a, you know, we're coming off the Florida Sheriff's Association bid, which is a volume bid. But then we're buying $860,000 something worth of vehicles from one dealer outside of the area. I find it very difficult for us to utilize city businesses in many aspects. And you've made a lot of efforts to try to get local businesses educated how to do business with the city. And now we have a business in the city that has over 100 employees that we're not giving them the opportunity to give us the best deal. And I think too many times we're going to this procurement exemption, it's exhausting reading these agendas and see procurement exemption, procurement exemption, notwithstanding the obvious benefit and public interest served. I think this is a, I think it's easier for us to do a procurement exemption. I think that I'm just very disappointed that we're not trying to utilize city businesses when we have a significant city business in here that could possibly give us a better deal or an equal deal. In the, in the backup, it says study by study performed by the garage supervisor. It says vehicles with a life of 10 years or 100,000 miles are inefficient. It says or 10 years or 100,000 miles are inefficient, costly to maintain. Where is that report? I will have to defer to the public works director on that. I think if you're going to reference a report, I would like to see it. Whatever, whatever it happens to be. In this case, it's our garage supervisor saying that there was a study. If a study's, you know, it sounds reasonable. I think going forward, you know, we have the standardization, you know, for computers and pumps. And now, if we're going for a procurement exemption and we're going for cars and stuff, I think I would like to see a summary of the service history of these cars and stuff. Because, let me see if I can find it. I wrote a note. It caught my eye. This, this was one of the reasons given for, for replacing a car. The new vehicle also be visually, will visually represent the city well. That was a reason for buying a new car. So, I kind of like when I see the Crown Vic driving around. I know Ford regrets making that thing because he can't kill that thing. But, I love when I see an old F-150. I don't like the shiny one so much. I don't, I feel like we're replacing cars. Of course, I think in the past we've been told regarding time is of the essence. And, I believe that was one of the reasons last week, or I keep saying last week, but the last council meeting with the lawnmower. And, had I not had that meeting with the superintendent at the golf course, I might have been more in agreement with that point. But, in the backup it says, vehicles with a life of 10 years or 100,000 miles are inefficient and costly to maintain. And, I'll just assume that the study, and I'll expect to see the study in the future, included as part of the backup, that says that this is something that you know is coming. So, we have time to go through a procurement process and give the people that are investing in our city, a city business that we've done business with before. And, we're not giving him business. We're making him... It's opportunity. What's that? It's opportunity. We're giving him opportunity. And, I'm fully for the initiatives you've done. And, I think there are some things that we can do better. And, the things we think we can do better, I think, is out of your control. We need, you know, for instance, the Plantation Chamber of Commerce. They haven't really been responsive to what you brought, that you're trying to get them. So, I don't blame you for that. But, I'm going to... I would like to have more of an effort. And, I'll try to assist with that, try to get them to participate with that more. But, I want... It's very difficult. I can't... Probably, Plantation Ford is the only one that is a regular bidder on... In the city. I can't think of any other vendors. Yes. As it relates to vehicles, Plantation Ford is... Well, vehicles. Yes. But, I just don't really... You know, for big items and stuff, there's not a lot of opportunity for us to utilize the city business. Yeah. We have a few larger contractors here in Plantation. Okay. VPR. We have Mr. Electric. There are a few here. There's a few. And, they have bid... But, the vast majority of our purchases, no matter what it is, it's not in the city. That would be a national statement. So, all I'm just trying to say is, business is difficult, particularly small business. I want to give opportunity, whenever we possibly can, and putting out the bid $864,409 in one swoop, and not giving an opportunity to a business that we've done business before. You know, the opportunity is the key word. So, I don't see how I can vote for this. And, I would like to see that we change how we go about doing this. I think that's all the comments I really have about this. Thank you, Council Member Fadgen. And, I want to follow up on that, because, as Council Member Fadgen mentioned in the last meeting, I did make the comments regarding the urgency, and voted against it for that reason. And, a number of times that we've had these, we've had procurements before us, where we've talked about, maybe opportunities to include a little bit more information, to give us a little bit more background, a little more backup, that answers some of the questions that we've had. And, you know, the discussion about local, using local, utilizing local retailers, local vendors, local contractors, I want to say that, maybe one of the very first meetings that we had on Council, it was something that I remember raising at one of those with you, same discussion, is that, you know, what are we doing to reach out to local businesses? And, I didn't go back and check the record. I thought we had had some discussion back then about more, a little more information in the backup, whether there were opportunities, or whether there were vendors that responded, or didn't respond, or whether we made any additional efforts. And, I would like to see that. I would like to see that there's a bullet point that, if we have known vendors, we have known retailers, we have known bidders that decided not, if it went out to bid and they didn't respond, you know, unless it's so urgent that you're telling us the urgency that a call was made, I don't think it will take that much time to some of the big ones when we're talking about really big projects, or at least just that it went out and there was no response, so that we can at least have that insight, that knowledge, that, you know, our plantation businesses decided not to bid on this. But, I do want to specifically get some clarification, though, is that, in terms of these vehicles, because there's a lot of vehicles being asked for from different departments, are any of them in such immediate urgency where if it didn't pass tonight, let's just say it didn't pass tonight, and that bid opened up, that we wouldn't have imminent failures of vehicles on the road? I would not be able to speak to the current conditions of the vehicles that are maintained by the departments, but what I can speak to, I wouldn't necessarily say the urgency of approving it. However, the process in which it takes to get into an ordering window is delayed. So, we have a specific time to get into an ordering window. About how long? Well, usually the ordering window, if I'm not mistaken, is somewhere in between, and I don't want to say, I don't want to speak incorrectly, but it's either August, October, or November. There's somewhere in there, there's an ordering window. In order to make sure that we get into that ordering window, we have to go through a procurement process, get it before you will for consideration, and then get a purchase order over to whoever the awarded contractor is. That's also going through getting specs, so on and so forth. Most times, most times, we don't make the ordering window, which means our vehicles for the city is pushed out another year into that process, so now we're a year behind. Go back for one minute. What do you mean by we don't make, why wouldn't we make the ordering window? What would be the holdup in that situation? So our budget is approved October 1. Come November, Thanksgiving, Christmas, bad time for bidding. So let's talk about this particular item just to be very specific, right? Is that if it doesn't pass tonight and you're telling us, let's say, that you think the next ordering window is August, is there any reason why we wouldn't make that ordering window? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if we would make it or not. There's a number of projects happening in the city. There's a number of priority projects happening in the city, so making up that process and making this a priority, yes, we can do that, but then... Just one other question on the point, though, is that there's nothing that you have in front of you or that you're aware of, and I don't see any directors running up in terms of the need for these vehicles that we're talking about imminent failure, that if we pushed it to the next ordering window that we would not be able to perform to the best of our ability in our city that there would be some department that would be lacking in that respect. I just want to make sure that we have all the information. Yeah, I'll have to defer that information to why they need the vehicles to the departments. I can only ask you how we are planning on procuring the vehicles. The why is the departments. Understood. So I'm going to get to Council Member Andrea and then come back to Council Member Fadgen, please. Mr. Spencer, I don't want to rehash what my colleagues have already said because we talked extensively about purchasing local, but my question more is about the year. So did you have to have a 2025? So, you know, there's still lots of 24s on lots and I was concerned did we have to have a brand new 2025 vehicle? Because that too would bring the price down. And that's something that can be discussed. Again, I defer those specs to the departments and those creating the specs. I don't really play a role in 2023, 24 versus 25. That is something that the departments indicate based on their needs. Because if there is inventory still, right, currently, then you wouldn't have that same issue that you just mentioned about the ordering factor. because if they have 24 inventory still. If there's inventory, yes, that would be accurate. So I would also ask that we take a look at what's already, you know, on the floor, if you will. Council Member Fatton. Just very brief, something that you asked. How many of these cars are new for the current budget? They're not rollover budget. I don't. I don't think I would know the answer for what vehicles from the previous. I just want to address a couple things. One, there are a few rollovers over in there. I can't speak to how many. Jason Unmaker, CAO, there are a few rollovers in there, but I want to address a couple things. Number one, as far as justifying the vehicles, that was done during budget. So each of these vehicles was discussed during budget. So I would hope we're not going to rehash the individual vehicles. If additional justifications needed at this point, then somewhere we've failed to communicate appropriately. As far as local vendor, obviously we respect that, but we're getting incommensurable demands from y'all from moving projects forward quickly to procure everything. And I'm being a little dramatic about that, but we are getting those competing demands. So to Mr. Spencer's point, if we have to put ADA at the top because it's a legislative appropriation, we have to make that happen, that's pushing other things down. So if we keep stacking that list, running it through the procurement pipeline, and that's not taking procurement to task, they can handle so much volume at a time. Understand the local vendor preference. I'm sorry, go ahead. You're saying because they're busy we shouldn't go through a procurement process. A procurement process has been going through. The FSA is a negotiated process. It is bid. To go public. That is a public process. I understand what you're saying, but I'm just saying that it's... I don't want to give the public. Hold on, hold on. One at a time, please. I got elected. Go ahead, Council Member Fadgen. Finish your... Council Member Fadgen. Let's go, gentlemen. Council Member Fadgen, finish your comments, please. I was just... I don't accept the premise that they're busy, that we can't run a procurement process in the best interest of the constituents and residents of this city. I just don't accept it. I'm sorry. And I appreciate that, and I think it depends on how you define that best interest. Local preferencing is one. Speed is another. Cost is another. I think there's a balance, but I feel like when we keep getting procurement exemption after procurement exemption, when are we giving the opportunity? When are we going through the regular process? Well, one, there's exemptions... Why do we have to... Go ahead. I was going to say, the exemptions exist for a reason. I should say, we are going to be bringing a procurement code rewrite to y'all, so hopefully, I'm sure we'll workshop that. So we can discuss where y'all want to move these particular items, because it's something we struggle with all the time. You know, as far as local preferencing, we do give respect to that. We had a specific conversation about altering our vehicle procurement process so that we front load it as part of the budget process to allow time for the bidding to give the local vendor a preference where they can bid. And my understanding, and Mr. Spencer, or Mr. Hulley, you can correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe we procure the PD vehicles through him. So if y'all have a mind to maybe bifurcate this, let's, okay, we'll move the PD vehicles forward and procure the other ones. And what I would say to that is we will probably push those off into the next budget allocation and try to hit that window. That way, the local vendor has an opportunity, but then we're putting an even bigger volume out so I hope we'd be more competitive if we can negotiate any discounts. As far as our preference for 25s, we don't care. If there's some 24s on the lot, and we've done that in the past and we've brought those items to y'all where we've found a deal, actually, that's a week. Procurement's found a deal where we can pick up, I think we had 14 PD units before. We're open to that. But it's no small thing to route everything through procurement. I know that's not what you're saying, but the exemptions are legitimate. We're not, there's nothing inappropriate about it. So I don't think that, I don't think anybody said it was inappropriate. I think when it's a question of practice, there's a preference for going through the full practice of procurement as opposed to the exemptions. And I think there's certain ones that have stood out more than others. and those are ones that I think we pulled them at times in order to make a point that we were concerned with that practice. And, you know, if there's an urgency, if we're talking about an issue where there's an urgency, then I think we need to hear that and that can be considered as part of our consideration as to whether or not we, how we want to view how it's moving through and how we're voting on it. Sure. If there's a risk factor here, it's cost. Because if we miss this window, the likelihood of cost increases. We don't know what the market's looking like. Tariff situation, things like that could come into play. But that's something we can absorb. And that's a policy decision for you all to consider. Thank you, Mr. Neumann. Any other comments from the dais we do have from the public? But we'll take the motion first before we hear from the public. Is there a motion on agenda item four? Motion to approve. Is there a second? I'll second to continue the process so we can get to a vote. Okay. We now have comments from the public. Mr. Hooley. Good evening, Mr. Hooley. It's good to see you. Hey, how are you guys? Your name and address, please. Mike Hooley, Plantation Ford, 707 North State Road 7. I was shocked when I saw you guys were about to buy a million dollars worth of vehicles and it didn't go out to bid. The history of Plantation Ford and the city of Plantation goes back over 40 years. We've been doing business with the city of Plantation since Mayor Veltri sat in that chair right there. And the only reason that you guys do business with Plantation Ford is because you get the lowest price and you get the best service. You wouldn't do business with me. And the only way you can find that out is if you go through the bid process. Just because something's on the sheriff bid, the only thing that means is that some dealer in Duval went through all the paperwork to submit it to the state. That doesn't mean you get a lower price from that dealership. We all buy from Ford Motor Company. We pay the exact same price. So I beat sheriff's bids all the time. So to think that you're getting a better price by doing business tagging on to some sheriff's bid is just not accurate. Speed. Nobody can do it faster than Plantation Ford. I'm in your backyard. If you buy vehicles from Duval Ford, they end up at Duval Ford, which is 400 miles away from here. So one of two things happen. Either you pay to get them transported down here to Plantation, hundreds of dollars per vehicle, or they drive them down here. So you were just talking about wear and tear on a vehicle. I suspect that those vehicles got driven down here and you're adding miles onto it. So if you're in a sense of urgency with these vehicles, I'll tell you right now, I can beat this price. I'll go on record right now, I'll beat it by $5,000. If you want to move forward, I can do everything that's on that proposal right there, get those specs, order them right now. We can be efficient and fast. Get your vehicles and I'll save you money. At the end of the day, we just want to be good partners with the city of Plantation. And anytime that Charles wants to work on and figure out what type of vehicles, we are always right down the street and ready to work with them. I have a question for you, Mr. Rooley. The sheriff's bids that Duval are in Duval County, do you get word of those as well? Do you apply to those? Do you? See, it's just a really bureaucratic process to go through the bid. You have to go up to Tallahassee. It really takes a long time. So it's really just a paperwork thing. So typically, a couple of dealers, they go and get the bid and what we do is we beat it. So somebody goes through that process. Now, if you were a very small municipality and you didn't have somebody that could go through a bid process, you could know that you're getting a good deal by tagging on to the Florida Sheriff's Association contract. However, you're a big municipality. You can go through the bid process. And when you go through the bid process, what you'll see is that you'll get a price that's lower than the Sheriff's bid. We beat it every single day. We do it all the time. And typically, the hundreds of bids that I've won at the City of Plantation, the price that I've sold the vehicle to you for has been below that Sheriff's contract price. Thank you, Mr. Wiley. Council Member Hoyland. Mr. President, I made the motion because I wanted to hear from the public. So with your permission, I'd like to amend my motion. Can I do that, Mr. City Attorney? You may, as long as the person who seconded has no objection. Okay. I'd like to amend my motion to approve the nine police vehicles be approved on this bid and for the other remaining vehicles to go out for bid. Council Member Fadgen, you were the second. So you just want to approve the police vehicles. Because my understanding is, and it's been stated, I think tonight as well, that Mr. Hooley does not provide our police vehicles. Correct, Mr. Hooley? I think in the past, that's his... Hold on one moment. Mr. Hooley, you want to come back to the... Mr. Spencer, isn't that correct? I don't recall. Historically, we've purchased our Ford interceptors through to FSA historically. The other Ford vehicles, we've always gone out for competitive bid. That doesn't mean Mr. Plantage Ford cannot provide them. We just, historically, we've purchased interceptors from FSA. Okay. Florida Sheriff's Association. I'm sorry, Florida Sheriff's Association. So is there any particular reason? The vehicles on the police side are... I don't want to... Again, I don't want to use the word urgent, but the turnaround on the police vehicle... It's a little quicker. Right, and again, it's the ordering window for the police vehicles. Okay. And we're talking about public safety, so... I can process an order for those police vehicles tomorrow morning. So as long as they're Ford Explorers, I can do it tomorrow morning and I can beat the price that you're getting right there. So it doesn't make any sense to split those out. So we're ready to do business with you guys. I'll save you money. One of the questions I have is what is the Mustang that the police is buying? Is that an interceptor type Mustang or what is it? Thank you, Chief. With paper in his hand. Now, the Ford Mustang is not an interceptor. It's a normal Ford Mustang for our traffic unit for aggressive driving campaigns and traffic related... It will be pulling people over. It's going to be what we call a ghost vehicle. If you notice the vehicles that we have now, you can't tell that they're police cars until it's too late. It needs a certain reflection on the vehicle, but that's the purpose of the vehicle. So it's just a normal car out there with police gear? The Mustang is a normal... Yes. That's been spec'd out. Is it like a GT or...? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Chief. Do you have a comment on that? One moment. Mr. Lee, if you want to go all the way to the microphone again, please. Thank you. Hey, you guys must be tired of me already. I think the Explorers are for administrators. I don't think they're cop cars, the Explorers. I'm just reading what your bid is. However, I can order them tomorrow morning. There is no quicker way that you can get these vehicles than for the Plantation Ford. By the time you call Duval and try and process that... Mr. Lee, just to clarify, I don't believe that that... If we're going back through the process, it's not about ordering it tomorrow morning, but we're talking about process here. So we appreciate that. As far as you're concerned, Mr. Holding Plantation Ford, all of these fords are available through Plantation Ford, and you would be ready and willing to go through the process, bid process. Absolutely. And save you money. I have a question regarding those Explorers. Go ahead, Council Member Frajan. So the Explorers are just normal Explorers. It gets so confusing. These particular Explorers are for administration, so they're not the interceptor. Okay. So there's not... Does that change what you want to amend? Council Member Whitman? Well, and again, you mentioned what I was going to say to Mr. Hooley. I appreciate the fact that you can go in order tomorrow, but we do have to go through the procurement process. I guess what I was getting at in when we're talking about public safety is the need for these and pushing that through tonight rather than delaying and waiting to see because that tends to happen, you know, as you heard Mr. Nunamaker said, where we're rolling these vehicles over into the next budget year and we're continually... And Mr. Nunamaker was correct as well that the quicker we can order these vehicles because getting the vehicle is one thing and we have to get the lights for them, the graphics, the cage, the back seat, all those things take time. I can't order the lights without the vehicle. So once we get the vehicle, then I can go to our vendor. So all that gets out after the... Yes, sir. Get after the... Right. But Chief, just to be clear, I haven't heard you say anything about urgency or imminent failure for any of the vehicles if we're talking about the need, right? It's public safety. I understand that's not... Vehicles are 10 years or more with over... and the mileage. These are the cars we're depending on getting from point A to point B. So it is a public safety issue. Those vehicles are critical to our fleet. Okay. Now, I can tell you in all honesty that the vehicles that we have here are not necessarily your first-line vehicles that are going to be... Road patrol. Road patrol. These are for detectives and then the Ford Mustang is for the traffic unit. But on a normal interceptor... Right, which is not what we're talking about the specific ones in front of you. Thank you, Chief. Yes, sir. Council Member Hoyland. So, if I may finish, with all due respect to Mr. Hooley and I agree with my colleagues about the local preference and we've stated it before, we did approve these in the budget. I am willing to let the amended motion stand so we can get... I would have approved it all tonight so we can get those police vehicles out there. My motion stands to approve the police vehicles and have the other ones go out for procurement. I was just trying to get clarity because I didn't really hear the amendment because we... My amendment was to pull out the nine police vehicles and approve those tonight. Just approve those. And have the other vehicles go out to Pitt. I'll change my second. So you're not... For that. So you accept the amendment? No. We're just going to approve the police request. So you're accepting the amendment so that the motion is only to approve the nine police requests. Right. And the rest of it goes out the bit. Is that the intention? Yes. Yes. Okay. So we now have a first and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, City Clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? No. Next on the list, we have item five. Council Member Horland. Mr. President, I'd like to take five and six together. Mr. Spencer, I'm going to be a little easier. It'll be quick. Most of my comments are from Mr. Nunamaker. I have spoken to him today, but I have two questions for you. Five and six. And I know that we're talking about two different pots of money and two different projects, although they both have to do with Fire Station 2. Here's my question. When we're looking at the project scope on either, both of these, and they've come back for the change orders, which I'm very sensitive to change orders because of what's happened on past projects. It talks about preparing the construction documents, which had already been in scope one. So do they have to come back and prepare, whoops, further documents because they've made changes to the project? Because now we're being, it's, you know, $132,000 contract on that first one now has grown and more construction documents are being? Right. The documents have to be modified in order to produce the appropriate cost. Correct. Okay. So my other question on item six. So again, that pot of money is, was rolled over. We had budgeted $749,066 for that. With this change order, we've now spent $262,831 leaving about $486 and change left. In your estimation, and I know that you are not a construction professional, do you think we're going to be able to complete the roof and change us with that money? I'm not a construction, yeah, I do not know. And that's where Mr. Neunmacher will come up. So these are my concerns and thank you for asking, answering the question about the construction document. I told you I'd be easier. But I did have a conversation with Mr. Neunmacher today because I thought that we had spoken this a little bit at strategic planning. As I mentioned, I've been sensitive to change orders for in the past, early on, after between 2018 and 2020. There were a lot of hands, especially in those bond projects. And we had cost overruns and we had a lot of change orders. Oftentimes, the council did not see them. Those processes have improved. But I thought that for any of the projects on city property, and I want to hear from my colleagues, that we're going to go through some type of DRC process. And my concerns about that is not necessarily the end user needs to be able to function in these buildings. But I think that our professionals who know about utilities, know about landscaping, need to have a look at it. I mean, I think about the planning and zoning building, certainly the fire station. There were issues with Pine Island Park that we're still dealing with. So my concern, as I expressed to Mr. Neunmacher, is I don't want to delay these projects, but I would like a little oversight because when I see a change order that says $98,000 because changes were asked for, then my question is who asked for the changes? So that was my, if you would like to speak to that. Absolutely. On your first point about DRC, we can absolutely run this through DRC. That's something of a judgment call. If we were sticking to the original bond scope and just doing those bays, then maybe that's not called for. Or let's say it's dikey, we're just talking about a re-roof. Simple, no impact, we're good. This one, it's taking on a little bit more because there's some aesthetic issues that are being addressed. We already know that we have, the chief has expressed some concerns about parking, so we're already engaging in engineering on that. So I don't think it would be odd to ask for this to be DRC'd given it's kind of more holistic thing going on. As far as the more substantial elements of the phase two, while some is aesthetic, there's also additional elements of hardening. We're getting rid of some of those, I don't know what to call it, that decorative type window that has an odd angle to it going to impact because we don't need those type of elements in what should be a hardened facility. As you all are also aware, we found some structural issues here, but I'm happy to say at least these buildings, we can get them to a hardened status that's appropriately for a critical facility. So I think we can meet your request there. Thank you. And you understand my point. I don't want to further delay the process, but I do think, especially when I see trees are being moved and we're making major landscaping changes, I want to make sure our departments are in on that decision making because that hadn't happened several years back. I take your point because it puts landscaping on the PZ side in a difficult position if you take the annex, for example, and Joe Blow contractor is being held to a certain standard and he sees a building pop up with no tree around it, it makes Indely's job a little bit more difficult. Exactly. So if we could just take a look at that on some of these projects and then to the cost, are you comfortable that we're going to be able to meet the cost on that when now we've had this change order that's substantially increased the cost? On the architectural side or the construction side? I mean, the bottom line is we're going to do it. Absolutely. We'll be moving forward with fund balance for this. I mean, that's one of the reasons we've been accruing those fund balances. Okay. And it's unfortunate. The architectural aspects have been something we've struggled with. Yeah. They've been coming in with a lot of change orders. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Neumaker and thank you, Mr. Spencer. I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve items five and six. I think we'll do one at a time. Can we do them together on consent? They could be done together. Very good. So we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Second from Councilmember Andreyu. City Clerk, please call the roll. Councilmember Anderson? Yes. Councilmember Andreyu? Yes. Councilmember Fajan? Yes. Councilmember Horland? Yes. Councilmember Einstein? Yes. Next we have item 15 that was pulled by the public by Mr. Conklin. Sorry, number nine. We'll go to nine first. Thank you. Councilmember Fajan. Thank you. Said it was severed during the Wawa construction? Yes. Danny Polio, Utilities Director. Good evening. During construction of Wawa, there was those old warehouses you're from Kramer's Auto and all that. A lot of those buildings and everything were built back in the early 40s. We were pulling out. Where's Wawa? Where Wawa? 441. 441. Oh, 441. Okay. All right. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought. We got two Wawas. Well, the vacuum system Wawa for the vacuum pit. Okay. So the vacuum main used to run through the back of those warehouses. During construction, there's a building on Southwest First Street. It sat behind one of the front-facing buildings of 441. It was unoccupied for many years. When the vacuum system was put in back in 1999, that was serviced by a pit that was on the Kramer's Auto lot. So when the main got rerouted, we used the best, you know, for Wawa, we used the best available information. So my question, I appreciate the history and I think you're just trying to clarify it is it was our fault. Yeah, the record drawings that we utilized showed it going to a different... I saw Wawa during construction, I was saying Wawa said it? No, we would have had... And we're fixing it? No, that wouldn't have been the case. Okay. So it was like when we were trying to rework it, we had the best information possible but it messed up. Okay. That's all I wanted to ask. I'll make a motion to approve. Thank you. Thank you, Danny. 10-9 of 9. Do we have a second? Any further comment? Seeing none, City Clerk, please call the roll for number 9. Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Einstein? Yes. Agenda item number 15, please. Mr. Conklin. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest 6th Court. I bring this up at the Gateway when it comes on the consent agenda as usual because the CRA overlays identically the landmass of the original Gateway 7 and the Gateway 7 is a special tasking district. It already paid before the creation the regular city property tax. With the Gateway 7 property tax, it overlays an additional burden on those what used to be all commercial but it's been infiltrated with a lot of residential lately. And I would like to point out again that this report that's going to be passed is for water and wastewater and I think you ought to consider seriously zeroing out the millage rate for the Gateway because you're already recovering way more money in the TIF, the tax increment fund from the CRA. And I just think that I'll keep bringing this up every time because if you look at the expenses it's all water, wastewater, wastewater. Occasionally you'll find the phone bill or the FP&L bill or whatnot but it's basically I think it could be paid for by the CRA money. Thank you. I'll yield back. Thank you very much. Do we have a motion? Motion approved. Do we have a second? Second. Hearing no further comment, Ms. Begaro, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andrew? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Moreland? Yes. Council Member Reinstein. Yes. Next up is number 17, Administrative Item, Southwest 6th Street and Southwest 78th Avenue Roadway Improvements. Welcome, Director. Good evening, Council. Samira Shalan, City Engineer. The Council adopted the multi-modal transportation plan and part of the plan we advanced a few corridors throughout the city to allow for conceptual plans for multi-modal opportunities throughout the city. The presentation that we have for you today or tonight is the corridor of Southwest 6th Street and Southwest 78th Avenue within the Midtown District. We developed three concepts so the agenda today we're going to go over these three concepts with alternatives and have an open discussion about your preferred alternatives so we can advance to the next level which is the design. With me tonight, Winston Lucky, he's our consultant from Keith & Associates and he will be running the presentation. I appreciate your patience if we can go over the presentation and hold questions until the end. Thank you. While they're setting up President Feinstein. Council Member Andrea. Keith & Associates is a local firm, correct? We have offices in Broward County, Miami and Orlando as well as in Palm Beach. Is it woman-owned as well? Yes, it is a woman majority-owned firm. It's been around for quite a few years. Welcome. Thank you, Council Member Andrea. Any more information to fill while they're preparing? Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to present these concepts to you guys. Tonight we have three concepts for the bicycle facilities along Southwest 6th Street and Southwest 78th Avenue. We were asked to develop these concepts to connect the bicycle facilities along Pine Island Road as well as along South University Drive from Southwest 6th Street and along Southwest 78th Avenue. What also we're part of the task with this is also looking at a roundabout at Southwest 6th and Southwest 78th for the facilities. Now what we did, this is the existing conditions throughout the project. It's basically a four-lane divided section along 6th Street and 78th Avenue with sidewalks and a median down the center. Now for the first option we're going to present is we're going to go from the easiest to more complex as we go forth. This is what we call a shallow option where the bicyclist is sharing the facilities with the motorist. So the outside lane will on both approaches will be converted into a shared use lane for bicyclists and for vehicular traffic. Next slide. So what we have here is just slides going over what the roadway will look like including any pedestrian and safety features that will need to be included as part of these projects. As you go, right here at this intersection, go back one second, sorry. This is at Southwest 78th and 6th Street is where we're not going to have a roundabout in this particular option because if we were to propose looking at it, a roundabout would require additional rightway. One of our criteria that we used in developing these concepts was to minimize any avoid rightway impacts, I would say. As we go forward, you'll notice it's the same thing throughout. We're going to be adding what we call RFBs, which is rapid repeating flashing beacons for mid-block crossings for pedestrian safety. So essentially, we're adding signals, flashing signals for pedestrian crossings at mid-blocks throughout the corridor. And as you notice, it's again very similar throughout the corridor and we are just having these mid-block crossings along Southwest 6th and Southwest 78th Avenue. And we, as you go through, you see it's not very much changes, the corridor is going to remain the same with no significant changes. One thing I would add, as part of this analysis, we also did a drainage analysis and part of this concept is that we also have something called spread in there, which means the outside lane floods for design criteria conditions for major storms. So we would have to also improve the drainage as part of this option as we develop it. Now as this, we develop initial cost on it. It's approximately $3 million and this is kind of, if you look at your pictures, it kind of gives a graphic of what we will be intending to do on this option. Option number two, again, same corridor. The typical section remains the same, but in this one, what we did is we did a study to analyze the ability, our ability to repurpose the outside lane. So what that means is we did a traffic study and we went ahead and determined that if we eliminated the outside lane or repurposed it, the existing traffic will meet the 20-year forecasted traffic in 2045. So we will not be impacting or decreasing the level of service within these areas. So what, and that was, we outside lane, we took it, we provided a dedicated bike lane with a buffer zone. So with that, we'll have a five-foot striped median down the center between the vehicular traffic and the bicyclist. And what it looks like is you'll see notice we just have it totally separate so there is some level of protection. And in this option, as you go forward, we were able to include a roundabout which adds traffic calming to the work zone area, sorry, to the entire area. So we also increase pedestrian safety, traffic calming, reducing any traffic congestion of that. Right now, it's currently a four-way stop. With this, you get better traffic movement through a roundabout. And again, similar like the first alternative, we will be adding RFBs throughout the corridor. And this allows us again to connect to University Drive and Pine Island Road from Southwest 6th and 7th. Now, in this one, when with the middle, with the divider, the pavement marked area, we have two options that we're also going to be putting inside of there. Well, we also have an option for landscaping. In this option versus the first one, we don't really have much option. But the roundabout gives us the option for landscaping. So in this option, you'll see that you have the striped median. So that's one option for doing it, which provides a buffer between the vehicular traffic and the pedestrian traffic. We also went and added an alternative to that, which is adding delineators, which provides a physical barrier for the vehicular traffic and the pedestrian traffic, giving that sense of division between the two different movements. And then a third option, which is what's called a Ziggler zipper, which is basically a low-profile device that we put into the road to separate vehicles. If they go over it, they're going to feel it, so it tends to keep them away from going into the pedestrian area, I'm sorry, bicyclist area for that. An option, I think we missed it. In this class, you'll see the costs are a lot less than the first option because as part of this design, these alternatives, any one of the three which are pretty much closed in price, there is no drainage improvements that will be required for this particular option. So there's a little bit less construction in this particular option. Alternative number three, again, similar in nature to what we're doing, but in this one, we're going to be reconstructing the roadway. We're going to totally eliminate the outside lane and provide a shared use path. What that is, we're going to combine pedestrian and bicyclist to be along a shared pathway. So the water allows is one side of the path will be pedestrians, one side of the path will be for bicyclists. And with that, we will have more of a reconstruction than any of the two options as we will be widening that dedicated path into the existing travel lane. As you see, this is what it would look like. To give you an idea. Now, one of the things in this particular option, again, we have the same roundabout. We're able to place it, provide that traffic calming effect, as well as the guidance through the intersection. As well as we go forward on this, again, we'll have the RFBs on all of these. Similar to the options one and alternatives one and two as you go through. But in this one, there'll be more of an impact for utilities, drainage, because we'll be moving the existing edge of pavement line basically 12 feet out into the roadway. So everything that's in the sidewalk or in the current roadway will have to be either adjusted or relocated. And in this one, as you see, the benefit of this one a little bit, it gives the opportunity for more landscaping and more beautification within the corridor. And this is a sample of what the roundabout could look like in any of the options. Now, in this one, you'll notice this has the highest price tag. It's approximately $6 million in cost that we're projecting. And what we did is, next slide please, we did an alternative cost analysis and as you can see, all the different costs as you do it. Alternative one being, alternative two being the most cost effective, alternative number one being the middle range, and alternative number three as being the most expensive. We have further evaluated, we did an evaluation matrix, so we went through and got different criteria from safety, geometric design, to any of the needs of the city. And what we did, we ranked them from one to five in each one of them. As you notice, we went through and we got in the ranking, the lowest one was alternative number one because of the major impacts it did and didn't really provide that protection, that separation between vehicular traffic and the bicyclists. and for alternative three, it's the highest, it came in at number two because it's the most construction, it will have the most impact and also it's the most expensive. Now, option two, alternative two was the most desirable one, but the first one with pavement markings, we kind of kept it down because again, it provided that separation but no physical barrier and option two, and one with the delineators, we ranked it a little bit lower because it provided that visual barrier but it had an impact with requests from the city from the public safety departments. As well as now for the zipper one, that was the most ideal one because it gave the opportunity, it met all the requirements, it was safety, it gave that division as well as it was met the criteria for the requirements that we got from when we met with the city for safety, for fire service vehicles and police officers to utilize that area in the event of an emergency to clear the area. With that, if you have any questions. Yes, we do. Thank you. I buzzed in first so I'm going to start. So I appreciate all of the options and especially because I think just about every time we've had anything come before us that was roadway and we talked about development that involves potential bicycle lanes, I know I have raised and I think others have talked about the need for the barriers and so, you know, when I, I like to bike through our city, my youngest son likes to as well and we ride, we ride with our helmets on and we're looking for the safest places to ride which right now is only on our sidewalks and I would never want him or myself or any resident to ride on the street or ride in a shared, a shared roadway where the risk of a inattentive driver is just too great. Unfortunately, this day and age, the number of people that you see that are looking down at their phones while they're driving is, it's just, it's incredible, it's horrible and that one, one moment, that one second is a person's life and so, you know, when I look at this and really as a general statement for anything we're doing in this city, to me, it has to have the delineators. To me, anything less than that is just asking for, it's just not doing the service that we need and protecting. I am concerned about your comments regarding public safety and comments that maybe our public safety have made regarding the delineators and... And let me elaborate on that. Yeah, please. There is, the fire department requires a minimum 16 foot of a fire lane for access, for fire access. So when we repurpose a lane, we need to take that into consideration because one of the options that we discussed to have, to be presented to you is a continuous separation by a median. Unfortunately, we couldn't accomplish that because you need right-of-way acquisition to accommodate the 16 foot lane, a median, and then the bike lane and a sidewalk. So that's what the consultant meant by the public safety is to continue providing the 16 feet lane for fire access. So these options presented to you today meet the fire requirements. Okay, so there's, there wasn't the presentation of alternative two, but with the caveat that our, our, our EMS, fire, police, what have you, would never be, find it acceptable. And let me just add also, prior to this presentation, we had similar presentations to staff. So we meet with all the department, administration, fire, police, public works, planning and zoning to take their input on the design or the concept. In addition, we presented this presentation to the Midtown advisory board and we got their feedback on the options. So we went through iteration with staff and with the business community of the Midtown. Very good. I want, just one further comment. So other than being clear as far as the markings with the delineators, I also do, do like the, what was shown in regards to the roundabouts and the landscaping. So as long as those go hand in hand with that alternative to pavement markings and delineators, I liked how that looked. Council Member Fadgen, you were next. Thank you, President Reynstein. What's the current capacity of the road? Do you remember the traffic study? No, I don't remember off the top of my head. And I'm really just asking if we go on a road diet like we were talking about Cleary, Cleary's way under capacity. So we have no idea. We did a traffic study and I can tell you it is currently under capacity and repurposing the lane will continue meet the needs of 2024. It's beyond, it's I think level service C if my memory serves. Okay. And do we have any idea what the average speed is on that road because it's like a racetrack, I'm assuming? Yeah, it's 35 and by reducing that one lane and putting in that roundabout, the intent there is to provide that traffic calming, to provide that little narrower roadway so vehicles won't be speeding through because the wider the roadway, vehicles have the tendency to accelerate whereas if we narrow it as much as possible, give the impression of a narrower roadway, it will be slowing down. Okay. I was at that meeting but I don't remember. Or did they express, the Midtown, did the Midtown board express an opinion on their preference? As I recall, they didn't want option one. That's one thing I was very clear on. Let me add a comment to that. I mean, we talked about that during our comprehensive plan that we don't want shared bike paths and such. Those just make no sense to me as Council Member or President Reynstein was saying. Go ahead. Again, they expressed that option number one is that least favorable option. The discussion was between option two and three. Some members preferred option two and some other members expressed favorable to option three. So it wasn't conclusive as I recall. Okay. So my last comment is that the landscaping I think is kind of the key for the Midtown. It has to be inviting similar to like 82nd Avenue, the former credit card road. That's an inviting area to walk through. So I think that's got to be kind of the key in the heart of Midtown there as some of these apartment buildings are coming in that it becomes an inviting safe environment to be walking through. So that's how we get there. Go find some money. That's correct. And as I said before, we engage multiple departments including planning and zoning and landscaping. Whenever the decision is made tonight, we will advance it to the next, advance this project to the next level which is the design and during the design more of that detail study and design concept going to be developed with staff and then presented to you all. Councilmember Hoorland. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. Luckey. I was also at that meeting in Midtown and the presentation seems to have improved a little bit. It's a little more digestible so I appreciate that. And I think that from the conversations we've had up here, alternative one, nobody wants a shared roadway. We've made that very clear up here. I'd like to go back because I do have some concerns and I apologize because I did not pull the accident report. 78th and 6th Court so obviously we'd have to have right away in order to do a roundabout there because I know anecdotally there have been some issues with that four-way stop sign, people coming out of the apartment. 78th and 6th Court not 6th Street. 6th Court. Is it 6th? 6th Street and 78th. Yeah, 6th Street. 6th Street but go back to the main map because we've got a 6th Street and a 6th Court. Go back to the first map please. Go back to the original. Yeah, one more. Right there, yeah. Okay, so 6th Street is where we're going to do the roundabout but I'm looking at 78th and 6th Court and what you're telling me is there are right away issues there if we were to want to do a roundabout there? No, the roundabout we looked at was only at 6th Street and 78th Avenue. Okay. Not at 6th Court. We didn't do an Okay, because I'm a fan of the roundabout but I thought that you had said something about right-of-way acquisition. If I I'm sorry Yes. If I understood his comment correctly if you may allow me to clarify option one there is no repurposing of the outside lane. With that said you're going to have two lanes four divided lanes and then a roundabout there will be no opportunity no enough right-of-way to accommodate the roundabout if we do not repurpose the lane. Understood. Two and three we're repurposing the lane so we provide the opportunity for one lane only around the roundabout. Gotcha. So my concern is and again I apologize because I did not pull the accident report but anecdotally from the people that live in that area that four-way stop at 6th Court and 78th have been problematic so is it our intention with the roundabout on 6th Street that we will hopefully be able to slow down the traffic there and prevent some of those accidents because I know high accident rate at four-way stop signs is there anything else we can do at that four-way stop? We will study it further because I want one of the things the two roundabouts going to be if we consider a second roundabout for example it's going to be close together so in the design phase we will study the opportunity if there is an opportunity for improvement at 6th Court. Yeah whatever we can do and again once you take a look at the data there I think that you might see that we've had I myself I know the intersection very well coming through there and again I would just like to echo with what my colleague Councilmember Fadgen has said I love the final project with all that the option it's cost prohibitive with all of the landscaping and I think that anything we can do I mean my preference is to have the delineated bicycle trail but again anything that we can do with landscaping because we're trying to really get people out of their cars and enjoy that area so thank you for the presentation Councilmember Andreu Thank you both for the presentation it was great I also would prefer again looking at everything and balancing the cost involved option if you can bring it back the second one of option two I believe it's that middle one of option two correct 2.2 is that what you said oh 2.9 but that but can we again just exactly should have been like 2A 2B 2C but yes 2B but if we could again really work on the beautification aspect of it and maybe incorporate just some of what we saw in option three oh definitely when we were looking at it we were trying to find as much as we can but you know we will work further on that once we get to the final design phase excellent thank you very much may I chime in for just a second yes go ahead Council Member Anderson thank you Council President the 2B as you said you're talking about the middle blue one but I don't love the plastic things that stick up because people swipe them they start to look unsightly some get removed by cars and I would prefer more like the Zebra it looks like it's a pretty similar cost it's a dedicated lane with the big things that they would hit and they would know that they're going near the bike lane so I would actually probably prefer the Zebra one so go ahead Council Member I'm sorry aesthetically I prefer that but I would want to know you know the delineator the delineator will have a maintenance issue on the long run as the vehicle is going to start you know you can provide them the facility but behavior of drivers we know in South Florida so they're going to be we see them on 595 we have them and they get hit so it's going to become a maintenance issue so yes we provided you the option over here but if I personally would like an alternative it's more a 3 than a 2 because of the continuous maintenance so the only thing that I will say to that in terms of the discussion is that there may be no question that the zebras are less obtrusive right they don't stand out but unfortunately not only do they not stand out as the delineators do but I don't think they serve as well the purpose of preventing drivers from rolling into that lane I mean if you look at the delineators if you look at the zebras there's gaps in between and they're not high enough to I think really cause the driver a quick quick enough reaction to respond to it I don't know what the data is I'd like to hear the data but I can tell you that if we're going to put the funds into this and if we're going to put the effort into it and the goal is to protect and to increase and to cause more bike ability more biking in our city then I'd rather do it the way that appears as if it will keep our bikers safer and I think the delineators do a better job of that than the zebras so unless the evidence says completely opposite please well when we looked at both options right for the delineators or the zebra the zebra is preferred that's why we put it as a preferred option one we can increase or decrease the spacing as we need those are raised high enough that vehicles tend to just hitting it with their wheel just like a slight turn will feel that so the vehicles that tend to be more of the aggressive drivers are usually lower vehicles so that really stops them from going over that the higher vehicles it doesn't matter whether we have a delineator or a zebra they're going to hit it it will get you but a lot of you'll be surprised in my experience the delineators when they get hit people still keep going they don't they don't care unfortunately it's a driver thing so the picture that we're looking at the example that you have here we could decrease the distance between them yeah I mean this was just a typical picture we picked from you know from until you get out there the manufacturer says you can change the space thing there's a little bit of correct me if I'm wrong there are different options than heights I don't remember yeah they have different sizes do you have any actual data that shows us that one is safer than the other one is more preventative I have checked but we have used this on other projects throughout the state we have used them recently our company has designed and used them some projects in our language so at least anecdotally you may be able to reach out to some of your clients and find out what they've experienced because I can just tell you that as again as a biker to me the zebras don't do the job as well as the delineators I know you thank you councilmember Fadget I might add for that one thing it also allows the requirement for the fire trucks to drive over it whereas the delineators they would have to damage it in order to utilize that for emergencies whatever that may be I'm concerned with the safety of the bikers too so councilmember Anderson did you anything further mayor the brand name for the larger objects that are in the lane are called armadillos it's a trade name they put them up in Miami if you hit that with your front tire you're going down if you're cycling Miami New Times article said some cyclers are saying the barriers are stationary catalysts for disasters and counterproductive essentially recreational cyclists are less afraid of the cars and more afraid of what will happen should their bike tires come into contact with the plastic when passing slower bike commuters the obstacles pose a greater risk to cyclists than distracted drivers they're meant to keep out of the cycling lanes one observer observed a cyclist attempting to avoid debris a pothole or pedestrians in the bike lane can be forced into a barrier that due to its shape and dimensions will certainly cause the cyclist to fall I am not a fan of armadillos obviously and just to be clear so that we're using the Zikla zebras versus the armadillos is just the general is the generic name it's a trade name but you're calling them you've heard them called armadillos they have multiple names in this particular manufacturer Zikla for this particular item but there's a lot of similar manufacturers with almost identical products and they have multiple names but they all essentially are the same in one form or fashion mayor can you send that article out I'd like to read it further sure thank you okay any go ahead councilmember I understand sorry I must have double hit it I would like any kind of study you have because I want what's safe I would think though to the article's point of what the mayor just said a bicyclist hitting the delineators because it has a base to it if a bicyclist hits that they're going to go down also so I just I think we can stop debating this we'd like a little more information we want to do what's right for our residents I think we're narrowed down to those two columns so just a little more data and we're ready to go thank you they did try and keep a scan of a rickenbacker causeway remember and they took them out I don't know enough about the what you're calling the what was it you called it the second one yeah I mean the okay anyway I made my point okay are we just looking are we taking a voters are there consensus are you just looking for consensus what we're looking for consensus on because we want to develop the scope for the full design now and I think now we're narrowing between like it is a protected by claim because it doesn't affect the scoping the project so we have a clear direction from council and once the scope is developed we will bring it in front of you and once we bring that item I hope I can pull more data to share with you on the other option council my opinion for the consensus would be a barrier some sort something that's agreeable to everybody and enhanced landscaping so I think that is the consensus I think we've all discussed alternative two in one form or the other and landscaping city attorney do on administrative items do we take public comments you are welcome to there's it's not a public hearing is not required I mean folks could have signed up to speak you know during public comment but again it's my understanding that this item is going to come back for you for further action at which time certainly the public would be afforded an opportunity to speak very good so I didn't see anybody sign up to speak about this in public comments Mr. Duke I do see that you have your hand up I'm going to take your comment so if you would like to come forward please when Duke 10301 Southwest 11th Street we at the Midtown Board loved the idea and everybody likes the idea of doing this it got good response the only concern that we had was that the idea of putting the bike lanes shouldn't be just to connect Pine Island with with excuse me with university with all the people moving south of Peters those people are on bikes now and we need to get them to the planet so that it goes there too it was our understanding that we don't have the right of way or don't have permission to get from this 78th street or whatever it is down to Peters that there's something blocking that and maybe there's an answer that we're just missing but we're looking at it as if you're assembling the right of ways to put the bike lanes in and when you're assembling a right of way for a highway and you had this piece of land you had to go through and this one you didn't have you don't build your building right up here and stop and then start negotiating wouldn't you think that before we start this we should do something to get the right of way to connect south of Peters to this so that we have a real bike thing going I feel like we we're on the wrong foot we're doing the not the first thing first or maybe there's an answer to that that we missed this came up at the midtown meeting but we were running so over time that it was never answered or never addressed does that make sense thank you sir I think maybe director Samira Shailan has a response so one of the objective of this project was to connect existing facilities we have bike lane facilities on Pine Island Road and existing facilities on University Drive so this project will accomplish the connectivity the missing connectivity not through these two arterial but through the midtown to try to move people around and urbanize the area and all the businesses and the park that's there and try for people to use other multi forms of transportation other than cars by providing them the facility but this is a starting point and not an ending point we have bicycle facilities on Peters Road and as we develop this one piece we're going to continue the effort with you guys to move into other pieces to connect the entire city and create our bicycle master plan kind of to connect people everywhere but this is a starting point so the response to Mr. Duke is that we're looking into it it's still part of our consideration correct thank you very much seeing no further comment we're going to move to legislative items number eighteen pd two four dash zero zero zero two consideration of a request to approve a land use amendment for plantation crossroads residential the property property is located at eight one five one through eight two zero one peters road and zoned office park plantation mr. city attorney yes sir this is public hearing first reading of an ordinance pertaining to the subject of comprehensive planning excuse me changing the future land use designation of a parcel of property specifically amending city of plantation ordinance number sixteen twenty six as amended which adopted the city's future land use plan and map to redesignate point two plus or minus gross acres of property from office park limited commercial to office park and irregular sixteen residential all within a dashed line in accordance with policy one point seven point six of the plan said parcel of real property described as a parcel of land in section nine township fifty south range forty one east said parcel including a portion of parcels two and three jack around a parcel eight one seven according to the plat thereof is recorded in plat book 143 at page one of the public records of broward county florida and being more particularly described in the legal description identified as exhibit a property generally located at 8151 to 8221 peters road and re-adopting said plan and map as the master land use plan and map 1989 making said plan and map part of the future land use element of the comprehensive plan of the city of plantation providing for severability and an effective date thank you very much do we have a presentation I think we do we do Mr. Chair thank you for the record Dan Holmes planning zoning economic development director this is well let me just go back we'd like to kind of do the presentation because there are two components to this for both the land use and the rezoning just do one presentation and then you can take up each item separately so the witnesses and do it all at once so just to be clear that what's being referred to as legislative item 18 ties in with quasi judicial item number 21 so for that reason why don't we go ahead and do that we'll swear in the witnesses and just for the record quasi judicial item 21 is PP 24 dash 0019 consideration of a request to approve rezoning for plantation crossroads residential and with your permission I'll read the quasi judicial proceedings and then we'll swear in the witnesses yes please quasi judicial proceedings the city clerk will swear in all witnesses before speaking please state your name and whether you have been administered an oath any speaker may be cross examined if you refuse to be cross examined your testimony may not be considered cross examination shall be conducted in a courteous manner the material on the city clerk's presentations from the applicant any effective parties and the public the elected officials may set reasonable time limits for speakers the hearing will then be closed and the matter decided the city council's decision will be delineated in its motion and rendered in writing by way of a development order resolution or ordinance evidencing its decision the city council may also decide to continue the matter to a designated time to allow for additional research or review so just for purposes of the record there's going to be one presentation then you will go to public participation close the public hearing and then you'll vote separately on the legislative item and the quasi judicial item very good and just to be clear in terms of the order is that can we after we vote on 18 can we vote right on 21 and then go back to the other legislative items or do we have to go through the other legislative items first there's two other legislative items I just want to in terms of no so it's you mean 19 and 20 19 and 20 yes you would go do the legislative item first item number 18 then do the quasi judicial item number 21 and then you'll go back to 19 and 20 okay so we'll have separate votes on 18 and 21 before going to 19 or 20 that would be my recommendation very good and why don't city clerk if you'll please swear in all witnesses who wish to speak tonight all witnesses please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that the evidence you are about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth Mr. Rollins okay so as indicated the presentation will do application PD 24 002 zoning application PP 24 0019 the request in terms of the land use plan amendment is to change the land use designation of a 24.28 acre site from office park to office park and medium residential within a dash lined area and the rezoning request is to rezone approximately 15.5 acres from the city's office park plantation district to the B7 Q plan commercial district this is the location of the property as you see along Peters Road the address is 8151 through 8201 Peters Road it's an aerial photo of the site so the site in question there is cross hatched in blue you'll see the purple boundary line that is our public notification boundary so all properties located within that boundary receive notification for this item and this is the city's zoning map as indicated the underlying zoning is OPP office park plantation and the underlying land use is also office park limited commercial again the size of the overall parcel in blue that you see there is 24.28 acres a portion of that which is going to be rezoned is 15.5 acres the ownership is the plantation crossroads 1 LLC and the plantation crossroads 2 LLC so first with regard to the land use plan amendment again the site here you can see the site is currently developed with the crossroads 1 and the crossroads 2 office buildings and that again that crosshash area is 24.28 acres in size and this is the future land use map and so the area is located approximately here and you can see that that's the office park limited land use designation and again this is just a closer view so you can see here this is the area that was crosshatched here and we're going from office park limited to change it to office park and medium 16 residential this is what we call a dash lined area this is very similar to what we did for the AMLE project here that you see just to the to the left there or to the right there so existing area 24.28 acres again as we indicated there are two office buildings that are currently developed with the basically a parking lot surface parking lot here this area that you see here kind of to the southeast corner is where the proposed residential will be developed on the site and with regard to the rezoning again the rezoning is only 15.5 acres of the overall 24.28 acres this is the this is the area that you see here in purple and as indicated again this is the area that is proposed for the you know for the proposed residential use the rezoning would however take into consideration this entire purple area for 15.5 acres that's how you would basically get the the overall density that you're looking for on the site here and this is the city's zoning map again just a close-up there can see the existing OPP zoning and they are proposing to change that portion to B7Q a little closer both items so and and this is just showing your final uh uh uh sort of uh view of everything office buildings uh again the area that's proposed for rezoning uh the existing parking lot and then the proposed development and the proposed parking garage located here so there have been some questions about the amount of uh resident uh amount of units that have been approved uh within uh this area so we tried to put together a little graphic to kind of show you what's been happening really in the southern end of the midtown district and so over time we've uh developed uh approximately uh we've developed 2,028 units uh you can see here camden which is located uh near the fountains uh has 269 and midtown also located near the fountains has 251 units the amly project which just spoke of has 286 units one plantation 321 units the ellsworth uh 315 units plantation colony which is the oldest residential uh development it's been there for quite some time as 256 units and the windsor cornerstone development has 330 units so right now we're looking at a total of 2,028 units within that southern uh area of midtown now if we go and look at uh kind of some one of the projects that's under consideration we did uh kind of review on uh first reading for uh land use plan amendment the proposed water's edge which is 395 so that's kind of in process in addition to the 2,028 and with this item tonight proposing 385 units uh this is kind of the total if all of these were approved uh that's the total uh residential units that you would have uh in this area of the midtown district we also looked at the midtown boundary overall just to give you some perspective and so as i just indicated uh right now what's approved and developed in the kind of southern village area that we call it it's 2,000 units in the what we kind of identify as a city center and this map is taken from the midtown uh master plan uh there are no units uh as of yet built within that uh central area uh and then in the north village area this is uh kind of north of brower boulevard uh with the all of the projects that have been approved there and some of the older existing residential projects we have about 2,485 units there so you can see there's kind of the northern end the southern end and then the uh sort of city center there uh not much uh happening with regard to the residential uh activity um so a couple of points we'd like to make if the loop and rezoning are approved it would permit 387 dwelling units the applicant uh is only proposing 385 units to the site plan that uh has been submitted thus far the applicant is requesting an overall density of 16 units per acre on the 24.28 gross acre so you're taking that entire 24.28 acres uh and using it for the density calculation the proposed multi-family residential use is not permitted within the current office park land use designation on the adopted future land use map residential use is permitted as a conditional use within the proposed b7q zoning district and in the event the city council approves all or any portion of the request uh staff had added some recommendations uh recommendations uh in the report uh we uh at uh asset the applicant agree to incorporate an affordable housing component into the proposed development uh also make a proportionate financial contribution to support the needed capital improvements which we've talked about uh in the staff report and also address some of the impacts on the sanitary sewer infrastructure and the pedestrian bicycle and roadway uh infrastructure and then uh the subject site is not included just as you know within the plantation midtown zoning district which is our npm zoning district uh but it is within the plantation midtown overall taxing district and that taxing district is uh the area that i i just showed you the proposed use is compatible with the adjacent land uses as there has been a considerable amount of residential development uh in recent years uh staff does find that the property has the potential to be developed in a desirable manner under its present land use and zoning it could be developed as an office as it is currently developed as office uh however residential we also find based upon the uh the plantation midtown master plan that additional residential is still needed within the midtown area when we kind of looked at the overall density there within midtown given all of those units that we just looked at we're still like uh around about 5.4 5.5 dwelling units per acre so it's still relatively low density development overall uh within midtown when you take the area uh as as a whole and the applicant is proposing uh an affordable housing uh component as well which they'll speak to uh during their presentation and so we're happy to answer uh any questions that you might have councilmember Hoyland thank you mr president quick question mr holmes i will have others but i couldn't find it do you remember what the recommended number of dwelling units um the midtown plan called for throughout the whole midtown district there was a suggestion of where we would like to be right i don't recall the overall amount i know that what the midtown master plan i may have added a graphic in here yeah so what the midtown master plan showed at the time that it was done is that uh what what what they were kind of forecasting with some of the activity that was going they had forecasted that we'd be about right at this time like 2023 they said we would be right at about 5.7 dwelling units per acre which we're slightly under uh right now um and the the plan was basically saying that uh we really needed to increase this density if we were particularly if we were going to try to get transit uh you know use going within the within the district we really needed to be more around seven dwelling units per acre or so but it was showing comparatively looking at uh um you know hollywood area was about 10.2 downtown hollywood and then uh coconut creek was about 12.8 so it was kind of recommending that we kind of consider uh some density uh within that within that area for the midtown uh district okay thank you mr home anyone else from the dais before we move to the applicant uh councilmember fadgen we're doing this all at once right yes so what what changed from the last time with regard to their application yeah i don't remember the initial number of dwelling units that was uh i don't know if they're right at about where they were before i know the first uh presentation they uh the applicant uh did not really look at any was only looking at pretty much market rate uh you know uh proposal uh they've indicated this time that they're uh open to and they would share with you their plans to to incorporate an affordable housing element into the plan we still have some of the same issues with regard to the infrastructure and water sewer type issues okay and then um i saw in one of the comments utilities does have have some concerns but then i think i also read that the applicant is open to addressing those concerns with them so that's correct so the thing with utilities is that it indicated that we basically have the plant capacity but the infrastructure there's some infrastructure improvements that would be needed uh if we're going to continue the development that we see within this okay that's all i have for now since we're doing the quasi judicial with the legislative um i will make a jennings disclosure that i met with the applicant and the representative i've also spoken to a number of residents and driven um behind the area and those discussions won't affect uh my ability to um to make a decision today i'll make a jennings disclosure i had a meeting with the applicant and uh received some emails from um constituents around the area and it won't affect my decision president reinstein i too would like to make my jennings disclosure that i met with the applicant and also interacted with several residents regarding this particular project and it will not influence my vote same disclosure met with the applicant and we did receive some emails um in support of this project i uh talked with some residents and received some emails it will not affect my decision mr arms when when looking at the the map um do you have anything in regards to when we when we looked at the north and the central and the southern um and you you showed us the the units do you have anything in terms of height um what are the heights of our buildings in in these areas high kind of varies i know within the south i think the highest is one plantation um that may be around 10 right on the edge right on the edge of the city okay 12 stories so yeah that's that's the highest that we have um in the in the vicinity of uh peters road where where this project is located is there anything um that is eight stories the uh no the ellsworth is six or seven i you'll be showing that the applicant will be removed no one plantation i'm i'm sorry amly is smaller um it's okay mr if the applicant has it and one uh and the and the applicant will probably get to this as well but in terms of their request for 385 units that would be the largest in this area as well is that what this these numbers are showing if i'm looking at that correctly that is well the water's edge would be so that's the proposed water's edge that's not completed jay right um okay very good thank you mr arms um anything further for mr holmes before we call up the applicant okay thank you welcome mr list thank you uh bill laystrom 1177 southeast third avenue fort lauderdale florida on behalf of the applicant styles corporation we're excited to be here tonight mayor we appreciate all the time your staff has put into working with us on this project um first off as kind of background these projects typically go through the process where they start with land use plan amendment the zoning so this is our first step into that process should you move us forward tonight we have an entire site plan process to go through and so i wanted to address real quickly on the site plan process that's where we are on the utility item we have met with the city staff a number of times john's met john arbeck's met with them several more times we understand the project that we need to do to construct the the sewer line and we understand that that's a condition of us being able to open the only reason we haven't designed it yet is we want to get to the site plan process and we will do that as part of the site plan process we are committed to all of the conditions that staff mentioned in their uh backup and you'll hear about connectivity you'll hear about uh we do have a slide on the heights for you as well um and very quickly we have our entire team here tonight um we were we've been listening we've been listening a long time uh since we came here i know council member fadgen mentioned well what's different about this project we'd like to point out many things along the way that are different between this project and the other but the most important was the affordable housing component i think we've also come up with a very nice way potentially to address affordable housing a little different than than the other projects that uh focuses a little bit more on the uh hometown we call outtown heroes or a volunteer fire department as well as you know other employees of the city john will be filling in more on that we also have tonight the owner of crossroads one and two which are the two office buildings so that you can hear from them regarding where they are on leasing on their support for the project and how they think this will be a a nice integration we also are going to address connectivity we're going to address uh it was interesting that we saw the plans for behind i call it behind the fountain shopping center because we have we had an idea for that since uh that would be one of the directions that uh pedestrians uh from our project and or bikers would uh would travel to the to the north end of the district with the idea of the district being that it kind of keeps everybody in the same place and you provide all your services without having to actually get out on university drive and pine island road by shopping at the publix which is right down the street without ever going on to university drive going to either the fountain shopping center or whatever the future broward mall is also without ever going on pine island or peters if you were in your car and with that i do want to introduce my team we have all of our consultants here as well but john are back and margot utter are going to be putting together a presentation but there's always time for questions we look forward to a discussion on all of the items we have if we've missed something after our presentation that you think was important for us please call us out site plan is just that it's a conceptual site plan we're certainly open on that i don't know how many questions you'll have on the site plan but we're more than happy to discuss how it looks how how tall it is what type what's the mixture of units even though that won't be in front of you probably for another six to eight months based on my normal time for going through these projects so with that i'm going to bring john up to introduce himself and go through a slide presentation with margot thank you mr leeson mr orback john orback styles corporation 201 east las solas yes i've been sworn in thank you so much for letting us bring this project back in front of you guys it's been a while we've had a chance to really listen to many of the comments from city council as they've reviewed other projects and as we've been involved certainly with with uh as you know i'm involved uh here in the city with um the ahack board and we've really listened to you and and hopefully you can uh consider this uh project um for approval this evening so yes we have our our whole team with us here and it's an experienced team who's who's certainly done um much work here in the city uh of plantation uh of course bill msa architects uh rhett roy who's our landscape architect whose offices actually moved from fort lauderdale and are currently right across the street here in plantation uh winning and fratley i know you know them they've probably done a couple hundred different projects here as well as our planner from greenspoon kelly um and of course uh the owner of crossroads uh chuck gillam so uh hopefully we'll be able to uh explain all the different changes that we've made uh as we've gone through the process here with staff and um would like to to go ahead and begin so does this move it forward no oh so uh so here's a couple of topics that we're going to be discussing again we have several extra slides trying to anticipate some of your comments so um beyond these we'll we'll also go into some of those as well so as a quick project overview as danny was mentioning um it's uh located here in the crossroads office park uh 285 units um eight stories so it is similar uh as you'll see in a slide in the future to uh the ellsworth across the street and other projects um uh that are non-residential like um a rural palm that's that's located uh just adjacent to us as well and it's important to note that this site is really in the heart of the south village um as identified in the master plan i did bring this master plan i know you you had a comment on on how many units for some reason i thought it was 11 but i was having trouble just now flipping through and finding that number but it was it was certainly greater than the five or five and a half where we find ourselves today um so again this is oh let me go back how do i go back okay so uh the site of course is a parking lot that's servicing the two crossroads office buildings now that the the amount of parking spaces exceeds the current code by a couple hundred so if you go there on a daily basis you'll see that there's a really a couple hundred parking spaces that are that are never used for the office buildings in front and so this is this is a classic you know case study for you know redevelopment of an office park where you take an area that is unutilized in the city and you revitalize um a parking area and revive and bring a new really create a new site a new taxable site for the city where you could then bring a new project which meets many of the um objectives and goals of the midtown district i think recently um those were reviewed at city council and and this project really meets many of those of those goals um also if you if you go out to the site today there there's a number of trees and of course we're going to do a um we have an arborist who've studied the trees and it's our intent to use as many of the mature trees that are currently out there save those and and bring those back and use those into the project so so we understand how important trees are here in the city and and you know you have our commitment to do that um let's see why is this not flipping oh there it goes okay so again here's the site i think we've um we've covered that the new project of course will have plenty of parking for the office buildings as they currently sit as well as continue to house all the parking needs for the future residential um a quick look at our proposed site plan again lots of amenities pools and gardens i think we're going to try to do another pickleball court on site and one of the differences as we met with um staff and and the mayor was to try to incorporate some smaller units that were maybe more affordable so in this case we've added studio units along with ones twos and threes now we did increase the unit count um as we as we added the affordable units so our original application was 325 units and this is 384 units um again eight stories it has a seven story parking garage with 600 spaces in it and and of course we're going to have all uh all of the best amenities that you that you see including um co-working and gyms and pools and yogas and dog spas and pickleball courts you know it's very nice that i think many of you got a chance to tour ellsworth across the street that we just completed a few years ago and and you can see the extensive lineup of of amenities that we usually put into these buildings and this this would be the same um we have a beginnings of a rendering again this these are these are far from final and that we still have to go through that process but um renderings which we like this rendering because it showed a lot of the landscaping and and hopefully mature trees that we're going to use around the pool deck area um and and so we this is this is the beginnings of that still a lot of work to do with staff and you know we're going to continue that process you know as we hopefully get into the site plan uh again on the right you'll see some of the interior photos those are the real ones from um ellsworth that i know that some of you had seen when you had a chance to tour and and here again something a little different but also planning something of the same level of quality that we are going to bring to this this project now this is one of my favorite sides that we have because it really answers the question of why and there's a lot going on on the south side of midtown first of all there are 12 major office buildings your best office product in the city is is located within walking and biking distance which is um the plantation court uh one and two crossroads one two three and four cornerstone there's three buildings royal pond two buildings and the executive court across the street so this site is really in the center of all of this employment plus it is right next to the retail that you see along peters um which is one plantation we we actually have owned that for 20 years here in the city um plantation commons um midtown retail and then the fountains which is a little farther north but you know there's two grocery stores that are in walking distance there's there's probably 20 or so restaurants that are on walking distance from this site they're so close that you wouldn't even think of getting into your car it'd be quicker to walk than to get to your car and go next door park the car and go back into these it's really right in the middle of it and there's health care there's there's university of miami health care and just just around the corner now there's baptists over a cornerstone as well as schools there's imagine charter across the street which as you know over at temple kolomi is expanding plus there's temple kolomi early childhood right across the street and uh the um uh clever oaks montessori school which is also right across the street again easier to walk to these places than than to get to the car and drive so there's there's a lot of amenities right around here that that lend itself for um this these residents to be able to access all these next slide oh um so we also included a bike slide which um was a favorite at uh planning and zoning um the bikes because it's important to note that we do a few things first of all we always we always include bike rooms um for the residents the the in addition to the bike rooms there's also actually storage lockers that will accept bikes and and and there's even an initiative i think through barrow county that you can fit a bike into the elevators which which you can do that as well here um so so those are things we always provide as well as you know we're proposing to um um to enhance the bus shelter which is right out front i actually missed this on the last slide but we're also on the brow county transit route for bus bus route number 30. so literally you can walk right outside the front door of this of this apartment building and get a bus and go downtown or to um or to the central location here in plantation and transfer anywhere you want to go so there's a lot of other options for walking biking and bus that don't really appear in uh in any um traffic study but are better here right in front for all of the residents let's see if i missed anything i don't think so office market okay so we're gonna i'm gonna have uh chuck young come up from well crossroads one and two or vanderbilt uh who is the uh owner of the office park and he's going to talk a little bit about the current office market good evening uh chuck gillum uh reside at 47 peabody terrace i'm actually in colorado uh not down here and just to confirm you've been sworn in and uh apply with the rules yes thank you um a little bit about the the viability of uh the current zoning and adding another office building uh i think is it's it's from owning these buildings for the last nine years uh and experiencing several different cycles in the 40 years i've been doing this um vanderbilt office properties also has uh about 18 million square feet of office product across the country um a big portion of that of about three and a half million feet is here in florida uh two and a half million feet of it is here in south florida between uh fort lauderdale excuse me uh dorale boca and uh west palm but looking at the office environment and and i know many of you have probably read throughout the last four or five years how it's been crushed uh from the pandemic and the the biggest thing is that we don't have people back at work yet uh it's it's getting better uh but the way that the office space is being used today is significantly different than it was five years ago uh it's not near as dense and you have a lot more flex work schedules where people are working from the office on two days a week or three days a week uh so the the use and the method of how office buildings are being used today is significantly different than it was previous pandemic um we do see uh improvement uh but i do not see office buildings being built from a speculative basis uh going forward the cost of construction for suburban office buildings uh doesn't support the type of rental rates that you're going to get in new buildings in this market or or most markets across the country and you really have to be a lot more dense when you're developing a new office building because the cost of construction has increased so much so it you you'd have to build a higher uh much larger office product uh and in this situation you'd have to incorporate a garage component to it uh which raises the cost even more the current rental rates that we're getting and and projected rental rates doesn't support that type of construction uh or that type of use so uh we are very much in favor uh of the change of use we think that the residential component is going to be very beneficial for the office product uh selfishly speaking because uh the way that we've seen use change uh over the the last decade is that people want to be work live play uh and and within walking distance uh in their own community and i think that you've seen the the downtown fort lauderdale market rebound and and do much better than the suburban market uh we have buildings in in sunrise sawgrass area that are 62 percent occupied uh and leased uh under the the slide here you see there's a current vacancy of 16 percent or plus 16 percent implantation that 16 percent uh is aggressive because it doesn't account for the sublease space uh and the amount of companies that we've seen uh and we're experiencing in our buildings uh they're only using half of their space uh and when their leases come up for renewal they're wanting to downsize uh to accommodate the new uh environment and use of the office space um so i i i i don't anticipate the 16 percent going down uh in the near future i think it's gonna it could go down a little bit but i don't think it's going to be significantly in the plantation area it's least uh we are not 84 percent we're about 80 78 to 80 overall implantation not just our stuff um and uh looking at it from a standpoint that how how office space is used i think that this 16 could you know percent will improve it won't improve greatly it won't get back down to the levels of uh what is a more stable environment of the the seven to ten percent vacancy or a 90 percent occupancy um and this doesn't really attribute to the 16 percent vacancy is or 84 occupancy is not true occupancy that's least office space um and what's actually occupied is probably 75 of that space today so uh so that's in and in bringing more people into the suburban area uh and and having that live work play environment is going to be much more beneficial for the current office market and the current office buildings in this particular area um and and people like to walk to work uh and not have to deal with traffic and and drive to work and i can attest to that because we own boca center and we own one park center and doral uh and those those two products were at 90 plus percent um and and we've had a lot more uh attraction to those type of buildings because they are in an area where they don't have to worry about transit so um i think i've talked about most of the points uh if you have any questions thank you very much thank you for your testimony i will tell you that um actually before i sat on council i actually worked at a at a law firm that was located in uh in crossroads so i know the parking lot very well um i do have a question for you is that based on your projections and based on what what you're showing to us based on what your testimony is do you anticipate a a future request to change your use for any parts of crossroads is that you know you when you look at the vacancy rates and you're you're talking about uh the need in the area and based on your projections do you see crossroads looking for a change in the future as far as the office buildings themselves yes uh not while i own it or our company owns it it it's been a very good ownership and and uh since we've owned it for the last eight years uh we've we've had good success with these buildings we actually owned one two three and four uh we ended up selling crossroads three to university of miami um baskin is that the that's yeah it's uh it's it's one of the buildings that are on the right on the uh lake there so the the buildings that the crossroads that you still own that are office space are um they still work they're still profitable they still work in this area yes they do uh i just don't see the need for another office building um with the amount of vacancy that is leased but particularly with the amount of vacancy of people in seats understood thank you councilmember fadget thank you um do you have any idea how many of your attendance employees are living in amelie or ellsworth i i do not i do not i could i'm sorry oh later okay what yes next he has a slide on that thank you sir thank you very much mr hourback um so i i missed a few things on this slide that uh i was reminded uh one was we talked about the idea of putting um flashers and cross what there are crosswalks already built um on the corner uh or with the curve i should say right by the fountains as you come up out of the office park i think it's 10th or 78th um as an improvement that we would like to provide because that curve although there's crosswalks there it could use to have like flashes or or a button to help people cross across the street because he as people are going moving pretty quickly around that roadway also there's a number of sidewalks already in place of course we're going to continue that that those that that connectivity um with sidewalks to and from the office buildings um there are already sidewalks up and down peters along with bike bike lanes up and down peters as as well as 80th um but we are also going to include more as we try to connect uh in front of la quinta to the back side of amelie because that's a great pathway that uh residents have been using for amelie to get to the back side of public so they can they can kind of take a shortcut through there so we're going to continue that system as well as um more sidewalks to the west side uh through the parking lot towards uh the royal palm office building so we do have other pedestrian improvements as well that i that i failed to mention um so so to answer your question we we studied ourselves in at uh ellsworth uh to try to determine the that that exact same question which is where where people work and are people working within the district and are they are they why are they here in plantation and so we have we found well first of all we we tried to figure out who lived there and we we went to several events and we met with many of the residents and we found that the answer was really you know a not one demographic it was retirees it was uh nsu students it was uh young professionals or families or people who work in the area and were going to retire but and didn't want their single family home but they wanted to stay because they still were working in the district um as well as different companies and and the locations of those of those companies where where people were why people chose plantation and so yes there were there were certainly um many people that that when we look through the demographic roles you know not only lived at at ellsworth but also worked in the district which is why that they were there um the next slide went back the next slide is uh traffic analysis and for that uh we're going to call up uh joaquin vargas for our traffic engineer to to go through these mayor and council members joaquin vargas with trap tech engineering and i was uh sworn my address my business address is 8400 north university in tamarack i will say that my first home i purchased it here in plantation i lived for eight years just north of plantation rock of the old fashion mall the development was called west tree thank you i'm gonna address traffic um the process for traffic is we we have an initial meeting with the city city staff samira and her other engineers they also get an outside expert to review the parameters before we start the the report we collect fresh counts and do the study so not only do we prepare the report but your professional staff also reviews the document and then you have an outside expert that reviews it also and provides comments to us what i'd like to start with is okay and this is a very busy slide but let me tell you what what i'm trying to communicate here one of the things that we are challenged all the time and uh they don't believe when we we talk about these numbers we use this this manual to um determine how many trips are going to go to an existing to a proposed development like this one and for this particular case we looked at ellsworth which is built we looked at the occupancy we did counts and we compared those counts with what the manual that we use would say and that's what you see highlighted in green and the numbers were almost there uh our our projections were a little bit lower in in the afternoon and a little bit higher in the uh in the uh afternoon rush hour so the point is that these tools that we use which we are challenged many times are pretty accurate so we picked an existing development in the area that's already built and occupied one of the things that i was asked to is to compare this is an existing parking lot that's underutilized that something is going to be built here it's my understanding that the square footage of this development the the without the garage is is 370 000 square feet so it's a big development we looked at a comparison if you have a 50 000 square foot retail on the site compared to the 370 000 or 100 000 square feet of additional office space and this development will generate significantly less trips compared to the retail that's the 50 000 square foot of retail which is a small size box generates about 80 percent more traffic and in about 140 percent more trips during the weekend so so it's it's a low intense use the residential as compared to to retail and also when you compare it with office this is one of the graphics taken from our traffic report i'm not going to go through this it's very busy but i but i want to share something from from this graphic the industry has rule of thumbs as to what is considered a number of trips impacting movements that we should worry about and the number that we we use is 60 vehicles in one hour if you think about it that's a car a minute so if you have a car impacting a movement and then the next one a minute later it's not very intense more conservative professionals use 30 as as a number that anything below 30 is is insignificant well if we if we focused on this graphic the the the uh the bubble that's furthest to the right that is university drive which is a major intersection and no movement is greater than 30 all of them are less smaller than 30 at that location and the same thing at pine island road which is the top left a bubble all of those numbers are less than 30. the point that i'm trying to project here is that this development from a traffic engineering standpoint has has a small impact from a traffic point of view now that's the profession a rule of thumb brower county also has some standards to determine significance in the old days in maybe 20 years um what the county used if you if you think about a glass of water and if you heard the terminology it's half full half empty well imagine if if the glass is only five percent which is just the bottom a little bit of water it's really not much in the old days bower county used anything less than five percent is insignificant from a traffic standpoint and what is insignificant means it means that the average motorist will not notice a difference with or without those trips on the roadway currently bower county had well not currently about 15 years ago maybe 20 years ago they changed that to three percent anything greater than three percent is significant and if you look at this why why is that exactly if you look at this graphic the the the highlighted the one that's highlighted in orange if we can call that orange everything is under three percent so again the the same the same uh message i'm trying to uh uh share here that that it's significant now you all are very aware okay the traffic is insignificant we do know we have traffic challenges at university drive and uh and peters road and also to a lesser extent at pine island road and peters road we do have some challenges there today we all drive there you drive those every day and you know those things what do we do we look at first the lane geometry that we have the first thing that we have to look at can we add additional lanes can we improve and the answer is unfortunately no those intersections are built out to the maximum extent that the right-of-way permit so there's no room for additional languages at those location what's the second thing that we look at where existing turn lanes are those turn lanes adequate can they be lengthened and the answer is where we need them to be lengthened they cannot be lengthened any further example university drive if you're going north to make a left-hand turn on peters it's as long as it can be because it has a competing turn lane just south of that and the same thing going east on peters to go north so we look at that what about those that can be lengthened and the answer is the ones that can be lengthened don't need to be lengthened they're long enough so those are the things that we looked at so so what can and these are problems not only in plantation it's all throughout florida i've been serving the city of coral springs as the traffic consultant since the 80s also sunrise and tamarack and currently i've been retained by hollywood and helping pompano with their downtown as their as their traffic consultant and these are problems that every city is facing you know that there's there's very little room to add lanes or expand turn lanes so what can we do we we look at issues with the signal timing and you've heard that there's things that can be done broward county has over 2 000 traffic signals that they have to manage and when we work on a project like this we we identify things that they can do so we have suggested that once this project is built and get to a certain level of occupancy and i know that that we've come up with conditions like that working with your city engineer to contact broward county because they have 2 000 intersections that they have to work with but if we focus specifically on university and peters and pineal and peters so we can optimize those once these traffic this this traffic impact is on the road to try to optimize that a little bit more you're also aware of the the bridge over state road 84 that is going to relieve university and peters but but it's not a significant improvement the same thing at pine island with one exception the individuals that want to go to the area between university and peters especially on the south side they will benefit tremendously you can think about it if you're coming from the west you can exit from 595 and and execute that u-turn what they call the texas u-turn where you don't have to go through the traffic lights and then go start to go west on zero and then use that bridge that future bridge as opposed to going through the two intersections under the bridge and then the left turn at university so the individuals that want to go there will benefit tremendously and other motorists will also so that that is an improvement that's going to help a little bit to the general traffic but especially the traffic that wants to go to that area is is going to be uh uh it's it's going to benefit uh tremendously um one of the things that many cities are doing um nowadays is uh is trying to do multimodal improvement so i talked about the signal retiming which we have identified to work with the county and also that bridge if it ever happens it will provide some benefits but multimodal improvements what can we do for pedestrian mobility for bicyclists in transit and we have identified a series of improvements and with that i'm going to i'm going to ask john to come back and talk about some of the things that uh he's uh planning to implement as part of this project uh so so we've we've started a list of of several improvements that we would like to continue to talk with staff about uh as i had mentioned to improve the bus stops which are right in front of of our project on both both sides of the roadway as well as we talked about some of the bike improvements sidewalk improvements that were on the slide uh and and we we've started to develop this list but um would really also like to work with staff so we can continue to expand on this list and see other improvements that we can do it's uh we we've also agreed to to increase the lighting standards around the project which is a new standard that the city has asked us an initiative to get involved with as well as any other additional sidewalks or as as joaquin was discussing you know optimizing the signals um in the area so um you know we're open to continuing to work with staff and trying to figure out what other improvements could could possibly be needed you know in and around uh the project um next i'd like to talk uh real quick about workforce housing mr albrecht if you don't mind before we get to workforce housing i have some questions for mr vargas sure also thank you thank you for your presentation i apologize if you don't ask me any questions no it's all right it's all right uh so without without further county optimization i i heard you say that i heard a recognition that um that would really be necessary to accomplish i think what you're what you're looking looking for uh without further county optimization the traffic leaving peters heading south on pine island towards state road 84 can you focus on that traffic in terms of what you're showing us in terms of numbers or statistics anecdotally it's many residents often miss that light because it is so difficult to get through on on pine island and so the the question being is that when you when you're analyzing the additional numbers of of residents and the additional traffic how is that further going to affect the traffic pattern without county optimization if you look at um that top left bubble you see um two numbers 25 25 12 and 12 that's coming from the project going west onto peters and then our projection is in the morning 25 vehicles turning left so it it will impact that intersection if you recall i mentioned what's the rule of thumb of the profession what's the county standard for significance these numbers are very low so what that means is if you're traveling through that intersection today and and use that movement and then this project is built and those trips all on peters road you will not notice the difference it's it's several seconds of additional wait time for that intersection through that intersection so that's what insignificant impact means the county optimization is important and that is something that we deal with the county all the time as i stated they have too many intersections so and and and that's something that's done quickly you know they they have a computerized system what what they have is they have all of these movements have what's called the minimum timing and a maximum timing that's why you have those detectors if there's not a lot of cars late at night the green time should be low there shouldn't be a long green time but when there's a lot of cars then it extends it to the maximum so what we when we talk to them is we try to optimize that because the patterns change it could be shifting a couple of seconds from one movement to another to another approach to help i a couple of seconds is a big improvement and and i will share this some of you may be aware the city of pompano beach is the redeveloping their downtown atlantic boulevard and dixie highway it's a project that have been they've been working for many many years and as part of that they're actually doing a road diet when you come from the beach there's two lanes going west towards 95 but before dixie it opens to three lanes and working with the county we were able to optimize that so there was no difference between three lanes and two lanes and during the commission hearing i remember i had a slide that the title of it was the power of two seconds two additional seconds is a big improvement because think about this when you get to a traffic signal this happens often where you just didn't make the green lights if they'd had a couple more seconds you would have been you would have gone through so if you have two lanes every cycle during the rush hour two additional vehicles go through one lane and the other lane next to it and during one hour we have 30 of those moments so 30 of those moments times two vehicles every time that 60 more cars can go through through there just two seconds that's why i call that the power of two seconds but we were in that particular case we were able to demonstrate working with the county we did a lot of travel times that by moving five to eight seconds it we were able to accomplish the same thing from three lanes going west towards 95 versus two so that's why that's very important that we work with the county to see what's the optimum based on the patterns once the project is built and occupied and i appreciate that i just will share that um in in seeing your your statistics and seeing the numbers and that the numbers um i hear you describing them as insignificant um statistically although i would say that when when residents are stuck in that in that traffic and are missing that light it doesn't feel very insignificant um even if statistically it uh it may be um but i i appreciate you sharing the numbers um let me uh move to the mayor and then um councilmember andrea well i was going to bring this up sometime so it's going to take a couple minutes here uh judy paul and i have been working about trying to better synchronize lights on university and i've been talking to people at the county that's the mayor of davy for everyone yes yes yes the long time mayor of davy um so i'm going to give you i'm going to download what i have here and you could use it because i think it's pretty good data if you start first at university southbound the engineers their big priority is for university to flow that's more important than if you get backed up on peters trying to make your left for example um they have two different sets of adaptive lighting working one above 595 one below the one above cycles every 200 seconds the one below cycles every 160 seconds the davy portion so they have to store cars for 40 seconds north of 595 and the way they store them is in the left turn lane on peters going left on university and you'll hear people talk about how they that turn kills them when you think about it right east westbound on peters trying to turn left onto university they say it takes forever everybody who lives south plantation area well the thinking is by the engineers is to store the cars better in that turn lane than to store them on university to make up for the 40 seconds with me so far close enough okay going on pine island the problem is according to the engineers i talked to at peters road it goes basically from three lanes going south to just two so you you have a problem of more cars trying to cram into one space you can't right turn you can do all you can like he said you can't get the easement to make that a soft right it's a 90 degree right to go on to 84. ideally they would do it that way so if your bumper is south of peters if you if you make the light of peters you're there waiting at 84. if you're waiting at 84 you're going to make your light to go on to 595 and everything with me so far there you see what i mean if you get if you get back go south on peter on pine island if you make the light at peters and then you hit the red on 84 once that red turns green you're going to make it but there's a light before that it's the light right before wicked bread right the the one that holds you up right there yeah but that's the that part is synchronized so the problem is making the left onto pine island from where your apartments are going to be so my take is that the people that will be inconvenienced most no offense sir will be the people that live in your apartment trying to make the left to go south on pine island and they're going to be inconvenienced and you can do the math of whatever they are um they will be inconvenienced more than people traveling in other directions councilman andreio i thought that we had already worked with the county to increase that uh that time on university from broward to peters or 595 we're trying to get it all the way from down to sterling but has that been done no they got to do better the limits are from sunrise boulevard all the way down to sterling the last time i spoke with them it's been a while they had broken it down into two segments because they had some utility conflict so they wanted to do the uh the part that they could do quicker first on university before they continue with the second one but i haven't checked with them to see what the status it's a project that's underway and and they have not begun to implement those one thing that i will tell you is that broward county controls the lights and the synchronization but once it's under construction by the state the county releases that and they're no longer coordinated so there's an additional disbenefit to the public the construction and the timing of the lights are off off sync because of that it's part of the policy that's the way they operate so there's going to be a little bit of a pain until they implement the whole system just to further is that mayor some of this discussion you may remember we also had with commissioner geller when he had his um he had his strategic meeting and and i didn't really want to spill this now but because it's relevant to the conversation i put it out there but this is i would rather bake this better before you all get it but that discussion regarding the working with uh the town of davie and and requesting the synchronization was was discussed back then but that's university it's not pine island i'm just to be clear is that we're only talking correct but it still has not been done it still has not been done right it has not been done there's been many efforts i remember that with the town of davie i worked with the hospital on university drive we were trying to get the state to just focus on the section from 595 to nova because that section has many lights and then with whole foods there as well and we wanted to isolate that segment just to improve that section alone but they said we're doing the whole corridor so we have to wait until that happens and then can you i was not following when you mentioned the 30 you kept referring to 30 was that percentage or 30 no no what i was trying to say is the industry the traffic engineering industry we have some rule of thumbs what is considered something like i do i do reviews for sunrise tamarack and coral springs when there's a new application if it has 30 vehicles or less i don't we don't do a traffic study it's it's minimal so the 30 is 30 vehicles impacting any movement in one hour and we can all relate to that if it's 60 we have 60 minutes in an hour so it's a car a minute right but 30 it's a car over two minutes if you think about there's a car that wants to turn left from that project the next two minutes nothing happens until the next one comes so it's a very low impact and the way these signals are timed when you run the software it gives you like a ridiculous two additional seconds average overall so it's it's very very minor so that's what i meant by the by the 30 it's what the industry uses actually the conservative engineer some others use 60 the point is that we're still below the 30 and then the county has their own thresholds and we're still below that but given that we can't do any improvements because what i said the timing obviously mayors it's going to be a big help and and all these uh multimodal improvements that the john has committed to do as well which is what most cities are are working on because they realize that there's very little that can be done but explain i'm i'm still not following the the 20 that you have on university right near peters and university what is that 20 that that's a total a different issue let me tell you what that is when when we look at the project site in this case the parking lot once the project is built where is traffic going to go what not all of it is going to go to 595 some will go north and university that's where that 20 of it that that has nothing to do with the capacity if there's only 100 cars leaving 20 of those will go north how we determine that is we do actual counts and then this area has other residential developments so we know how they when they exit onto peters what percent goes towards university what percent goes towards pine island and then when they come back as well so we take that as a basis and then the other counts will tell us what people are doing turns what percent turns north and so forth with that we come up with these percentages based on current patterns and the existing residential developments in the area hope i was clear i know it's a little confusing too much talking it's really interesting actually and i know we don't have time about it 20 percent i just want to make sure i understand so 20 percent of the traffic is going north on university and then 80 percent would be going east or west the yellow the yellow blocks that have a total 100. correct if you look at all the yellow boxes correct so 20 20 yeah correct 10 and that's based on the current patterns that are occurring in this area correct thank you mr vargas sure mr araba i'm really happy he's here um so to so to continue with uh workforce housing so for the last four years it's been my pleasure to uh be on the affordable housing advisory committee and and listen to so many challenges that that we and broward county but the city plantation i used to say in broward county have uh on on that on the subject of affordable housing um and you know we heard and we we've heard i think the comments from council over the last year and a half or so with regard to incorporating how important it is to incorporate affordable housing into these projects and and we're here to propose um just that this evening so so our first proposal oh danny danny again yeah thanks update the traffic um so the first i the first idea of course is to provide uh uh 10 percent of the project to be uh affordable at the 120 ami level which which would be 40 units so if you remember our original proposal was for 325 units um when we were here last time and we've increased that number by about 60 units as we've now incorporated uh the affordable housing component uh into the project so so the reason why the project has gotten bigger is really so we can absorb the the impacts of providing affordable affordable so in this in this this this first proposal for affordable it would be um 16 studios 16 one beds and and eight two beds now we've also been listening a lot in these meetings and and also the needs of some of the other areas of the city and and really being the fire department and so we we met with the fire department uh a couple times and and started to discuss a concept for us to work together with the city uh to provide what we're calling hometown hero units uh which would provide uh units for for the volunteer fire department and working with them i know it's something that's would be new and something that we need to establish and and chief todd and tony martin was very were very nice and they uh met with us a few times and i believe jason was was able to come to one of the meetings where we discussed the idea of of of of proposing a partnership with the city to to create uh units at the 80 percent ami level now it's important to note that at the 80 percent ami level um that's a discount from the the market rate of a thousand or thirteen hundred dollars a unit so it's a it's a pretty significant discount and that discount is also uh regulated by the state of florida they they if you see here on the bottom panel um i know that's a little hard to read but in yellow uh the one bedroom and two bedroom units at 1583 or 1900 those are again from the state of florida and so we've engaged with the fire department um to to see if this was something that maybe we could work on with them to to fill their needs that we've heard in many of these meetings um to to be able to offer that and provide that to to some of their force um so that uh they could live within a certain distance of the firehouse we we had heard that and so um i i believe that it's i don't want to speak for the fire department but i believe it's something that they're very interested in and and it's something that we'd really like to work together with the city now now here we have three different panels on three different scenarios of of hometown units again at 80 percent or workforce units at 120 and these these four three panels that you see these three different choices are are you know just an idea of of how this this this program could possibly work where we would be interested we could work together on on different configurations but this was just a starting point to see if this was something that that the city and the fire department would like to entertain and maybe work with us on um so that that's our proposal on on affordable housing and i i hope it's something that um that i hope this this partnership is something that might work for everybody here and and being able to provide that for uh for the firefighters or or just affordable housing in general and you know in these projects um our next slide and that and i know that we had had a a conversation um with regard to uh um you know for sale product in this in this uh development and and unfortunately it's it's very hard to do to add townhomes or or some other type of detached structure um with a with a site that's really only uh 4.8 acres but one of the ideas that we that we thought about after after a few of our meetings was to make a contribution into um the the the city first time buyers program now i i checked with michael who who is um obviously involved with our ahack committee and i'm not really sure if there's a mechanism just yet but i do know that there was a presentation a few months back where perhaps we can start a um some type of affordable housing trust fund or some other kind of program again and maybe we can start that with a contribution uh from this project uh that that would enable uh the city to continue to administer a program that you i believe you already have um to help first time um buyers um make down payments and get into housing and and also in talking uh with with you guys i know that there is a um maybe a partnership coming up this is another thing that also came in front of ahack i believe it was when we when you were identifying um excess parcels that could possibly be um used for affordable housing and i and i i i think that um habitat might be a partner that you're considering and we just wanted to say that we've had a very long-standing relationship with habitat um i i've been on several builds myself we and we've done that with our employees with our construction company our construction expertise as well as as corporally with donations so habitat is a great partner of ours and and we'd really love to get involved with that with the city to to really um help bring that to um to reality in in terms of of doing a habitat project here in the city um i'm going to uh call on margot utter also with styles to take us through some additional slides here on uh on the ownership mr our rep and uh sorry before you go forward um councilmember fadgen please go back to the affordable housing i just want to make sure i understand oh yes the scenarios yes so option one is really the 120 with the 40 units and then scenario one the first three items is 120 with four and four for one bedroom two bedrooms 80 percent yes we go all in with 16 units at 80 percent is that am i it's it's 60 workforce so it's it's it's the studios um at i think it's it's the workforce it's the workforce studios at 120 plus the 80 so it's okay so eight so if we went to eight eighty percent two bedroom yes then there would be eight workforce studios at 120 yes and and the reason why we would include that panel is because of the fire department really mentioned that it was it would be best for them and they as a user if they could offer a two-bedroom unit to to their staff and so so because it's it's you know very heavily discounted that you know unfortunately we can we can offer less these three panels are equal yeah i just want to make sure i understood what i was looking at so um i think that's pretty creative i like it um i think i like scenario two the best but that could be a discussion for another time okay thank you please continue all right margot hello council margot utter with uh styles development the good news is i want to thank you for your patience i am our last presenter so i'm going to hey hey now um so so i am going to to wrap this up but i i just did want to say on behalf of styles how how grateful we are to be back in front of you tonight we've truly been working so hard to address every single one of your concerns during our last go around here and and we've been listening and you know i i really hope we're able to find a common ground tonight that that works for everyone because at the end of the day you know we we do want a project that works for for everyone here so back on the topic of of home ownership and the uh the request for a for sale project here on this site what we have here on the screen is a quick high level analysis and it's going over two scenarios so it's showing a rental scenario and a condo scenario because there was a conversation brought up like hey let's see if we can make this project uh potentially condo project and you know whenever we're looking at these projects we you know we want to propose something that we know is is going to be successful wherever it's located and we want to set any project up for success so without bringing everyone getting into all the numbers here you know i'm happy to go over any questions you all have but to to kind of quickly wrap it up it essentially has a cost assumption and and before actually i go into that it's assuming a simple scenario of a two-bedroom unit so we're taking a two-bedroom unit of the same exact size and design and we're assuming a for rent scenario and a for sale condo scenario so we made an assumption for costs and several other other assumptions that kind of go into each of those scenarios individually and the the numbers that are circled in red at the bottom is the essentially the monthly rent the monthly rent that the user is paying so um over here on the left the rental is uh over 3300 a month and then on the oh i think we need to thank you and then over here on the condo scenario is showing is showing that a little over actually well over 5100 a month and that would be for the household or individual that is um essentially purchasing that unit so in conclusion this the difference between the two if if you were to to kind of compare it would be over 1800 dollars per month for those for those costs for whether it's the uh the household or the um or the renter and and in terms of when we're talking about a project that's attainable and something that that you know we can realistically put out there in the market we know that there's individuals that can afford it it every you know every uh turn points to to the rental scenario being being our best bet here we have some data to to support here underneath which is showing the year over year costs for there's kind of two lines here so one is showing the year over year costs for rental products since uh 2014 and then that we have that same line that's demonstrating the uh the cost for homeownership so like we previously mentioned you know we we understand that there is a homeownership issue today and you know i understand that just our contribution alone that that we proposed previously is is not enough and us at styles we share the same concern and we want to be a part of the solution however we we feel that rental product on on this particular site at this particular time is uh is just the best option again happy to go into more detail at the end if there's requests for that and then second to last item we wanted to discuss the the uh kind of the health of the rental market as a whole i know we had danny up here discussing the amount of units that are currently in the midtown area and it's kind of broken up by village person and you know we've had a lot of conversations about this with staff and and you know neighbors and locals and what we do in our development teams we're always kind of trying to measure the market understand if there really is a need because again we certainly would not be up here today proposing this if we didn't feel like it would be successful and that there is a true demand for it so we went ahead and the numbers that you see up here on the screen we have several of the new kind of newer some a few that were delivered earlier in the 2000s but um most of the apartment rental apartment units projects that are currently in the area we have the year that they were delivered and their current occupancy level so we went and kind of double checked that data usually you can go on to the um the property website and you can take a look at the units that are available today what i would say is just a metric that we use in the multi-family industry if a building is like anywhere from like 93 to 94 occupied that typically means the building is quote unquote stable so it means it's healthy it means that it's performing well and in this case you can see and again you know we we verified these about a week or so ago there's only a handful of units that are currently available today in in all of these apartment buildings listed here so not to not to beat a dead horse but we feel you know that looking at the occupancy levels ranging from 98 to 97 percent there there is a clear inherent demand for for housing in this area people love to live here obviously all the kind of discussions we've had earlier it has that beautiful like live work play environment that that individuals do want when they're looking for for a home so again happy to discuss more at the end lastly this is uh this is definitely my favorite slide i think i i spent a really good deal of time on this specific part of of our approach here and something that we did differently this time when we were going through the application process last year with the two applications within the city is as a community outreach initiative and you know we presented this slide at our planning and zoning meeting and um i just want to describe it because there's a lot going on here so all of the all of the uh logos that you see represent people that that we talk to and all of them are not listed here we were able to in the end i believe get over i think 40 signatures of support as well as a handful of letters and notes that that were sent out sent around and also sent to our team as well but when it comes back to the the logos i have up here i just want to be clear of of the representation you know in some cases i was able to to go kind of door to door again the the concept was to go door to door to our neighbors the people that we felt were going to be most impacted by this development and have a conversation we wanted them informed and we wanted feedback so i was able to chat with you know some of the the larger kind of names employees at like at&t some of the sales reps uh tropical smoothie cafe unfortunately no i did not i did not get a meeting with the the ceo of at&t um so just that's why we have a little asterisk um you know i was able to meet with the owner of personal cafe george barry with royalty care med spa you know we had some really great conversations over the past several months doing this outreach process and like i said the idea was to inform the public to get feedback because as we prepare for this next step the site plan we want to make sure we're taking the public's feedback into account when we're when we're planning this design and we're envisioning this this community that people are going to live in and and lastly we you know we got that support we asked for the support when when we felt that this project did resonate with individuals and lastly i just did want to mention we have we do have the ellsworth up here on the screen john had mentioned that we were um we had you know the pleasure of crashing a few of the the management teams uh resident events and you know something that i think makes our team our local development team here very unique is when we build these projects you know we stay local typically and and we like to not only finish them off and move to the next one we like to go back visit these buildings we love attending the resident events and the goal there is to go and interact with the residents not only hear about why they chose our building to to live in and what they like about it but we challenge them we're like hey what could we have done better what what bothers you what annoys you about this building because we know you know everyone has has an opinion and we can always do better so we had a perfect opportunity here we were able to to chat with the residents in preparation for for this project and um so i was not only able to hear their thoughts i was able to to talk to them about what we're planning right across the street with uh with crossroads so we do plan to take the the feedback we received over there and uh and the plans that you know the next project we we want to put that into um into thought every step of the way when we're we're planning the building because it's it's not just a building for us it's it's a community and it's it's a lifestyle so with that again happy to discuss any of this in further detail i'm going to just have bill come up here for addition yes oh yes perfect um it was right yeah we do have additional exhibits again we know this is a long long presentation so didn't want to uh to go over too much but we have a building height slide so there was a question about the different building heights we looked at the the area and we wanted to determine you know which buildings seem to be the highest so on the graph here you have the titles the the names of all the buildings on the bottom and then the graph on to to the left is showing the uh the number of stories and then we do we verify i believe the height with uh planning and zoning for each of the buildings and uh and so you can kind of see us in comparison to surrounding buildings in the midtown thank you mr all right thank you um so so that concludes our presentation uh right now of course we'd like the opportunity either after public comment or or you know when that's appropriate to to be able to address any other um questions that come up and and like i said we do have other other slides and as questions come up hopefully we we we were prepared to to uh answer those thank you very much councilmember hoyland um thank you mr president mr alba could you come back please thanks could you go back to the map that shows access from your property to publics please i have some questions and some comments yes can you show me how your residents will walk to publics okay so there's there's there's two routes so currently there's already a sidewalk on peters road which you could come out of the front of the property and then walk along peters road there's already a crosswalk again when we were involved in the emily project um you know a new traffic light was was constructed at peters road in 80th which is a full traffic light with crosswalks in all four directions so there's already a crosswalk coming across there and then and then there's you know emily of course constructed a new sidewalk all the way through back to the publics which gets you to the publics parking lot there's also another way which was another part of the emily project which has you can see the kind of peach colored line right behind amily and there's a cut through i think it's just a little further north than what we're showing but if you actually drive into the trade station parking lot there there's a brick pavers and there's actually right on the northern edge of publics that lines up right by zona fresca there's actually a cross-through right there that the residents can also walk through the parking lot and go through they're missing we're missing a sidewalk piece which is in front of the la quinta which is the right blue line there that we're proposing that we would add so you'll be able to come out of our front door hopefully walk right in front of la quinta put a crosswalk across the that um that stop sign area it's going to need some work because it's it's kind of stop and go there so you're going to have to work with with with with the with um uh the engineers to see exactly how we can do that then you can cross that area as well thank you so if and and it was that peach portion that i was specifically thinking about and if there's any uh ability to improve the lighting so as you go back there toward it's awfully dark if you're walking from um amly and if you were to cut from your proposed project to go to that public's um it's awfully dark back there we i think could do something with that chuck if if if there's a possibility that would be uh my request yes i think we could we could look at the resident safety walking sure we could luckily chuck owns that too so we can okay we could uh hopefully upgrade the uh foot candles along that edge i i think that would make it a lot safer for the residents so um i have a couple of comments and a couple of questions uh for you you know i've struggled with this project and i do appreciate that you have come back and really listened to us and made a lot of concessions and gotten creative with your offerings i want to go back to my original question from mr holmes when i was asking about the proposed amount of units that the midtown plan was where it was asking for so i did a little bit of um calculations here so we're talking about 902 acres um currently uh i think it we're about at if this project were to be approved and with water's edge we're looking at 5293 units in the district would put us about 5.86 dwelling units um i know that mr holmes said it might be desirable to get to seven you had mentioned 11 at one point but um 6.98 dwelling units would put us about 6 300 units in that so the reason i bring that up is what the challenge always is what are we trying to achieve and what we're trying to achieve is the viability of that midtown district as it was planned so it's very difficult sometimes to sit up here when residents say they don't want any more development development when we have a district where we've committed in this plan to make sure that it's viable for the residents and for the businesses there so i just want to make that comment that there are still a number of units that can be built in that area to support those businesses um i'm going to jump to the end here because margo had just gotten up and i appreciate the community outreach it would have been a little more meaningful for me if some of those letters had not followed the same script um i think you know and i appreciate the appreciate the outreach um one of the most meaningful contacts for me was george from borsellino cafe who i know um the struggle he has gone through to get that open i frequent that cafe and he reached out personally um and said how that would impact him so while i appreciate all the community outreach i'm glad that you went out you know i'm not sure if somebody from you know um you know club pilates or um tropical smoothie cafe are going to be able to actually afford um you know to live there while it will help the businesses themselves so you know that's always the struggle because i look at laura padrina with padrinos and i look at borsellino and they've poured a lot of time and money um and and just their heart to get those businesses to be successful and i think it's a duty of this council to make sure that we um provide those opportunities and certainly the density uh would would help that um as for the scenarios i'm just going to jump around here i do again appreciate you listening to us mr arabach and coming back with those options i think if i'm correct those would be our first affordable uh units in the midtown district right first affordable units in the midtown district right yes okay so i think that's important to note and you've given us some creative options i i definitely would be between a scenario uh two and three or b and c however that was listed i do like the um i know it's there yeah um i think okay scenario one or two um scenario one i think gives us a lot more um it gives us more options into what we're offering the public and and yet still being able to commit to our firefighters as you know that's been a very big concern um that we've talked to the chief for a long time is our ability to staff the fire stations in that area um so i think that that is a terrific option and i appreciate that i also like that you committed to uh improving the bus shelter and making that a covered shelter and i think that is um also important and the flashing crosswalks especially on the curve and you listen to our multimodal presentation today so if there's anything that you can help and contribute to that that would be also lovely because again we're trying for that whole connectivity in this area and i think when we're looking at the project because i think one of my biggest struggles is always the traffic impact um but when we look at this parcel what we're looking at is um a lot of asphalt currently that's being not being utilized uh it certainly for the environment creates a heat island effect so i look at this and while we're adding density we're also you know adding more green space um so i think that that is something that needs to be taken into consideration um i do like your offer to committing to um funding with the fifty thousand dollars um for our home buyers program and i would like to hold you to that and then i do hope we're going to have a partnership with uh habitat in the near future let me just check it mr auerbach if there's anything else because i know it's getting late but we this is an important project and i know that we all want to get this right you know it's been said at planning and zoning and often in this council chamber also people were concerned that we're still working on our comp plan why would we even consider uh taking a look at this project until we're done but i think it's also important that we do have the midtown plan in place um so i think that's that's kind of separate from the comp plan we have the midtown plan and we know what direction uh while we're still looking at the mixture of uses in there we know that we need to build more density in there um i think that's about it for me for tonight um i i do think as the city we move forward and decide where development's going we do need to start to look at more infill development and look at some of these parcels we've talked quite a bit about broward mall and um again all that parking space there and what could potentially go in there so i think while we're not approving the project tonight i'm willing to um go ahead and approve the land use amendment um and then work on a lot of these particulars with you so thank you mr auerbach councilmember enjoyo thank you president reinstein mr you i had to pause when you said that council member horley because i had to think and i just met with mr puente yesterday but he is outside of midtown so that was the only one that came to mind too so yes that is that is accurate i would like to know more about lift station nine and what your plans are because that was really um you know for me the big kind of red flag that stood out and and seeing the utilities department have major concerns to the point they said they will not be able to provide water and wastewater services so what is the plan for lift station okay so my um civil engineer is here but i do i do have a slide i can get there and i liked um scenario one since you just passed that okay so so uh you know we've we've been fortunate enough to work here in the city and work with the council you know on a few projects and and and we know that we're not going to get anywhere until we have an agreement with all of the staff members sitting sitting in the back of the room and i think we've been a good partner um in working through us all different types of solutions i think we built uh lift station nine um brand new uh when we did one plantation um and we recently did um a capital improvements project all the way down um peters road where we replaced the force main i'm only i'm only bringing this up because we understand that that this project has some some serious challenges and that that we're going to have to improve the infrastructure to support this project and we agree to the comments and we've met with staff several times to discuss that um we've had also meetings with the other applicants also in the area to figure out how we could pool resources to be able to achieve running a new sanitary sewer line all the way back down peters road this slide starts to discuss some of that uh improvement so i i think that it's in addition to the lift station there are also improvements that have to happen you know throughout the entire system in order to make this project work we completely understand that we've engaged um with um danny and his team uh i don't know i think we've had three meetings or four meetings and we completely understand you know what's ahead of us in order to get through the site plan approval process so um so that that's our our current plan i i we can go into more detail on exactly the engineering associated with the different lift stations because there's other other pieces of infrastructure that are going to that are also going to have to be upgraded um but the i i don't really want to speak for the the the utilities department but but you know the sanitary system in this side of the city needs needs additional capacity we understand that and we're going to we're going to be a part of improving that in order to get this project built so i don't know if um staff wants to make a comment or if my um civil wants to make a comment on that or if there's some other level of detail other than we know that we're going to have to work through and fix this thing um council member president could i ask mr polio if he wanted to also comment yeah if he's able to and then i just had one or two other comments director polio good evening danny polio utilities director we've been working with this project in this area for a while currently the sewer system's fine it's the densities that require the improvements so if we built nothing today the sewer system would continue to flow but these densities is what drives the required improvements uh john's right where he's talked about where i think there was seven that they built underneath lift station seven underneath uh plantation one that had to be built because there was no way to service the site without it just as this the flow all the flow from lift station number nine is going to be redirected we've been meeting with our consultants we're in the midst of our master sewer plan that we're working on this has been looked at for five or six years when we first started doing redevelopment in that area area so the thought always was to hydraulically we need to carry that flow west closer to the sewer plant because everything on the peters road corridor now is a re-pump that goes out to the central plant re-pumps through a master pump station and then over to the sewer plant so not only is this corridor being looked at broward malls being looked at sunrise corridors being looked at so we're looking at all these things and we we have conceptual plans of what we need to do um getting developers together is the way to do it to build it we don't have projects planned nor do we have the funding to do these projects so um you know they're going to be development driven prod projects and they're going to need to be funded by the development we have other projects that y'all are aware we're working on so um you know we'll keep working with the developers but plant capacity is never an issue as mentioned earlier tonight plant capacity we're fine on our water and our sewer plants it's the infrastructure that gets it from point a to point b where the improvements need to be made but we've been working with their team and we'll continue to work with them thank you you're welcome and you know one thing we didn't make mention of as well when we were talking about traffic going back to traffic we did not discuss the hilton that was already approved in that area as well and so i don't know if that was also taken into um account uh when you were looking at you mean in terms of the traffic study um if the if the joaquin's checking yeah just but we did meet with them because they would also be on the same um i think that their capacity their sorry their needs are a little less but in the future they would also be on the same pump line along with water's edge so we've had a few meetings collectively as danny had mentioned with his staff to see how we could all achieve this together so that concerned me and then last one second council manager do you want mr vargas to respond regarding the traffic yes we did consider um so we collect existing counts those are grown based on historical data and then we add all the projects that impact this area that have that have been approved but not built so all those were taken into account they were okay and you still found that it would be a minimal impact well the minimal impact is our project on top of everything else including existing traffic correct okay and then um my last comment really is although i i loved am lee thank you for the tour i did that several months back this looks just ellsworth sorry ellsworth i'm sorry sorry it's okay ellsworth we did a little work on that one too little slip of the tongue ellsworth um uh it does look though like very at least very very similar um it would have been nice and again we're not voting on this today but when you do come back um seven eight months down the road to to see uh a different i guess design feature i think even council member horland was saying um you know we're we are trying to get more creative and more eco-friendly and have more green space so you know i've been asking for some of these um green walls and these uh rooftop gardens and just whatever you could add to the design element um so that it's not just noted we will work on all those and bring those back when we get into the site planning all right thank you so mr alex i want to just um go back to some of my comments is that i think styles has done an incredible job of listening to the the concerns that they could respond to and has responded to those i think the presentation has been wonderful the outreach i think has been great many of the letters that that we received i reached out to the people individually to hear from them um the most recent one was george which uh was nice to hear from and there's no question that some of the businesses would would love to see an increase in um in in people at their uh at their venues at their restaurants and what have you um the the challenge that that i'm looking at is is really when is when is too much in certain locations and you know it was interesting because looking at the occupancy rates um it almost to me is a double-edged sword is that the occupancy rate shows that there's a lot of people living right off of peters road and in that area um it also shows that that when it comes to density in all of midtown and the need for units is that we still have a need and the question becomes is that um you know people people love to live there and live in that area but the concern is for overcrowding and you know when i look at the corridor the peters road corridor and i'll add the cleary road corridor those i think there's a there's been a lot of building there and there's a lot of units there that probably have um high occupancies um as as well um i i look at those corridors as a little bit different than broward boulevard or sunrise boulevard and you know even hearing um the the comment and i i wrote it down is that it's quicker to walk than get in your car in and um that's that's probably true and part of the concern is that um the people that will be moving into this unit uh into this building will have cars also and it will um it will increase the the traffic and you know you heard some of my questions to mr vargas and while i'm looking at those numbers and those statistics um they don't really and i see that that it it may be um uh it it may statistically be very low but it sure doesn't feel that way when we're on um university and and pine island and while i would love to have full faith in county optimization to to speed up traffic at peak hours um i i i am concerned with the effect of just more units on on peters road um so you know i just want to raise those concern i'm looking forward to hearing from um our residents we have a lot of residents that have signed up to speak and um and i appreciate the the time that you've spent to answer the questions i've had because i've asked them privately as well yes i i think that my comment regarding walking had to just do with convenience not necessarily traffic it was a convenience comment in that in that when you are uh less than a quarter mile away it's it's just it's just more convenient to to to walk over than to move your car and then you know move your car again i agree with you yeah okay so that was what my comment was i agree with you on that but it doesn't it doesn't um it doesn't lessen the concern for traffic and for the you know while we have room for increased density in the city the question is whether it's on peters road isn't best uh yeah and and i think um i i i understand certainly what what you're saying the again the you know you're surrounded by the the this great employment with you know 12 office buildings and and with those internalized movements which is which is i think really what what everyone's trying to go for with where you have um you know where you're living next to where you work and and here you where you're when you're living in the center of of these these 12 different buildings plus the retail you do have an opportunity to to get there in a different way than with your car that's why these adjacencies work so well which which is again what what chuck was mentioning when with you know other properties in other cities that that people want to live right next to where they work um but i'll i'll yield and maybe we'll listen to the thank you mr sure sure uh i don't see any further questions from our comments from the dais so um i guess before we go to uh public comments do we have we have a motion um on 18. motion to provide a maintain second procedurally do we want to take comments regarding comments or go first see if there's a motion on i i think i wouldn't do two motions at the same time at this point um i would just hear the public comment and then do uh the vote on the one and then do the motion on the second one very comments for it's still comments for both though yes sir yeah thank you for clarification uh so i have a i have a stack of comment cards uh if anybody else uh wishes to provide a comment card and hasn't done it yet please do so um and i will begin with mr conklin thank you dennis conklin 4581 northwest 6 court um as i mentioned each time that affordable housing comes up um we're really with our backs to the wall your backs are to the wall and it has basically to do with the federal government you could hear today they want to do away with the penny i was old enough uh when i was a kid i could still see gold notes in circulation my parents couldn't own gold because of fdr but there were silver quarters still in in circulation when i was a kid and my first job i i worked for a dollar 25 an hour five silver quarters those five silver quarters today are worth over 30 dollars an hour for that was federal minimum wage we're we're really in a jam and i'll just yield back to time um good luck to everybody because my my kids are in the generation they're looking for homes and uh it's really tough god bless you all yield back thank you mr conklin uh mr win just to be clear for everybody for for those people that wrote on their card um 18 and 21 or 18 or 21 we're taking comments regarding both together right now mr win thank you i'll try to be very uh brief uh joe win 944 northwest 92nd terrace um i'll just focus on two two components uh one is the idea of connectivity throughout midtown um we can divide it into the villages or the sectors and whatnot and you all here remember that i've spoken on that topic and the goal is to eventually make seamless connectivity for pedestrian bicycles microtransit any number of of uses that are not just getting in your car uh to get around uh that that comes from each new development that we that we approve and not just from the investments that they put into the city and the city's infrastructure and the design around theirs and connectivity like uh council member uh horland had referenced for getting to publics and improving that experience but also the places to be near that make it more comfortable to do those things uh movement feels faster when there are things around you when there's complexity when there are buildings if you have to go from this point where there's a nice building to this point where there's your public's your office your restaurant or whatever and just in between it's a lot of parking lots and broken up sidewalks it feels a lot longer it's hotter it's it's just more stressful so essentially having that complexity having that development throughout is a benefit for everyone and amplifies the ability of everybody to do that on the other side is just a very brief note on the um water service and the wastewater uh out it's going to get addressed it will get handled the developers will not put in a building and then go the sewer may not work um it will get addressed absolutely guaranteed it is important to be aware of those things and know the costs up front but those will be things that will be addressed i 100 guarantee that um and any infrastructure that they do help in upgrading or adding in is a net benefit for the city that's something that all of us as taxpayers don't have to pay one day because they have covered that uh for us the stuff that's there if we don't allow them to build something there it will still get old we will still have to replace it and we would have to pay for that then that said thank you for your time and i hope everybody sleeps early well tonight thank you thank you mr winn mr duke i'll be real brief i just wanted you to know that that uh midtown board heard this presentation and liked it and endorsed it and uh and felt good about it especially like 385 apartments full of visas and master cards to go to the restaurants good thank you mr duke mr ridgeway matt ridgeway how you doing matt ridgeway uh 78 peters road here um just uh elected the president of the cornerstone association um just wanted to let you know that uh we reviewed and had the presentation put in front of us uh it was a positive overall response um and then also to discuss um the the drainage that we have here would be nice to have another partner involved with uh trying to solve that drainage so thank you very much thank you mr hoolie mike hoolie plantation for 707 north state road 7. i think i've been up here as many times mr conklin tonight that's got to be a world world record but it'll never happen again i wasn't going to say so i wear a few different hats here the first one i sell cars we'll kind of leave that one off to the side we'll leave i think we've established that tonight the second one is that i'm employer in town here i think i'm one of the largest one of the larger employers in town and this is precisely the type of development that my employees are looking for really from both sides of the spectrum the younger people that i'm hiring are looking for places like this and those empty nesters the older crew that i have on my team that are selling their homes and plantation and looking for a place just like this so it really fits a need for a lot of my employees and my employees will live just right down the street from this uh this right here the last hat that i wear is i'm the chairman of the gateway seven district and uh i think i've been on there for like 20 years something like that and as mr duke was saying uh i think this is precisely the type of development that we need in our town and uh and i hope you guys approve it thank you very much thank you very much uh miss lopez lourdes lopez hello lourdes lopez 1825 northwest 139th street um i work in the crossings area and i walk through that parking lot every day and really that segment that they're proposing the project is empty every day so it's kind of like a waste of space like it would be nice to walk through that area and have things to do or shops to go to that's all thank you thank you very much giovanni fernandez good evening uh giovanni fernandez 6380 southwest 63rd terrace that's in miami i've worked in plantation for about eight years now i've been commuting sometimes from fort lauderdale most recently from miami um myself and i know i can speak for a lot of my co-workers and my team are looking for development like this a development that's kind of infilling this area creating a little bit more of a community more of a young professional scene and so just hoping you guys approve it thanks thank you anthony vadel did i pronounce that right is there any anthony here you just step up mr carreras frank carreras uh 701 north fig tree lane uh plantation i'm in a residence since i was a kid 1968 so all your comments are great presentations wonderful um place fits right where it should be um i know that sounds weird coming from me because you know we're talking about density and population and so forth like that and it actually was used as a whip in the last you know election and so forth for administration so um i'm more concerned on this one of my approval is the is the tax base is saying hey look we're going to be facing inflation and so forth so what they bring along those lines i think is a great thing um as well as i thought it was kind of cool the young man came before me talking about coming up from miami if you ever went out to the pickleball courts when we were promoting um the pickleball tournament last year um we used we were asking people hey where do you live where do you you know and they go i'm from aventura i'm from north miami i'm like what are you playing pickleball on plantation for they work here and so the attractiveness of that plus the rent in miami he really highlights that i deal with evictions rent is going up in miami lots of people are looking this way if you see what's projected in terms of building and attracting people of higher income towards fort lauderdale as well as tech with um mr ross's projection of wanting to do a mini silicon valley up that way we're we're um we're growing in it and i think this fits into our concept of a of a bedroom community and uh and certainly people as they try to deal with traffic density which is true they might look across the parking lot and go maybe i want that office that's 80 full and maybe we should establish an office there so look believe it or not you can probably knock you over with a feather right now but i'm for it so that's it thank you thank you mr goldstein max goldstein 1021 northwest under 15th avenue i'm going to try to be short but not as short as the as the rest of them because i really have three things to say and also uh vice chair pzb i'm not representing pzb just myself so there are three things that i want to say it's housing affordability it's traffic and transit and then it's about neighborhood character so the first step on housing affordability is that housing affordability is much more than just having affordable units in whatever new building is built because new buildings are expensive to build they are more expensive than any old building already currently is so when you look at housing prices don't just look at the prices of the new building that's getting built look at the prices of all the buildings around it because this building being built should curb the demand on housing and should lower rent on the buildings around it maybe not by 500 a month maybe it's 50 a month 60 a month but when you start to have enough buildings there enough new supply coming to the market it should lower across the board and i want to make it clear that like a no vote on this is not doing nothing a no vote on this is allowing demand to continue to go up and prices to continue to go up because there's no new supply coming to the market it's not nothing happens so that's number one the second is about traffic and transit uh how many of you have taken a bus in the last five weeks yeah because i'll tell you i have and i i regularly take route 30 on peters road and davy boulevard once it gets into uh fort autordale and i've taken route 22. route 30 is a lot faster than route 22. like it is unbelievably fast the bus drivers like fly down peters why there's not much traffic there there really isn't and it's a straight shot to downtown fort lauderdale the same destination as route 22 on broward boulevard so these people will have a one seat ride if they work in fort lauderdale to work and it's just as fast as driving i've tested it not with our new radars there right anyway i think they have some cloaking device to get around because they they fly through peters road so so that will mitigate some of your traffic concerns because this is new bus stops it's nice infrastructure just one sheet one seat ride to downtown fort lauderdale and the last thing that i want to talk about is neighborhood character so when we passed unified flex the idea was that we're going to keep development out of single family neighborhoods and concentrate development in where we want to concentrate development in midtown in gateway so if we want to keep our single family neighborhoods as single family neighborhoods we should also just allow midtown to be midtown that's what i want to say thank you very much mr mcintosh acting mcintosh 601 northwest 82nd avenue apartment 531 plantation florida uh first i just want to mention i appreciate the slides on the bike facilities and the demonstration of connectivity honestly i don't ride a bike down here for our county because i don't feel safe but apparently word has gone out that i do appreciate bike facilities so developers are starting to add that so i'm happy to help carry that torch for everybody thank you um and i do want to emphasize i live in midtown i'm a midtowner if you call it that so i care about the character of my neighborhood and i would say this development fits the plans for midtown that's been discussed over the past few years years and we need not only more affordable housing but more density uh the plan density for in the midtown 2023 plan if i heard correctly recommends 50 dwelling units per acre and we're only at about 5 12 units per acre so when i don't see how we're like anywhere near to overcrowding but i do see where the goal needs to be if we're asking when is it going to end maybe when we get closer to 50 dwelling units versus the 5 12 units that we're currently at and as someone who does commute on university sometimes you get chick-fil-a i will say as crappy as the traffic can be down there uh being stuck in traffic is better than being stuck with pride rents i yield my time thank you mr mackintosh aaron sweeney hey everyone um i live in fort lauderdale my name is aaron sweeney 555 northeast 8th street um so i live in fort lauderdale i've been in south florida for a few years now and um i actually work in plantations at the crossroads one building so i just wanted to say my piece that if i had been you know moving to the area uh i guess two years from from what i did and you know this building was already built this would have been a really great option for me um i probably wouldn't have ended up living in downtown fort lauderdale would have rather lived somewhere right where my office was so i could you know walk during lunch off frequently you know me and my co-workers we go and walk to public's walk to a couple different places in the area where there are options for lunch and you know other retail options but if i think if there were more uh housing options in the area such as this one i think that would be a really great option for me and dozens of co-workers of mine who were in the same position thank you very much uh did anthony vidale come back one more opportunity no okay uh any further comments from from the audience from the public any further comments from the dais so i will just add um that uh my my last comment to mr hauerbach was i was looking forward to hearing from the residents and um i i there's no question i have some concerns about the the traffic and the overburdening of the infrastructure and um the the increased density in on peters road um but not a single person has come forward to speak out against it and and that does mean a lot not a single person here tonight and not a uh single correspondence that uh that that i've received at least so um i i appreciate that uh and um uh we saw some time before the next step um so i'll leave it at that um without any anything further from the dais um city clerk please call the roll council member anderson yes council member andrew yes council member fadgen yes council member horland yes council member rice yes no we're not done so that was uh item 18 we're going to um i'm going to just to be sure is there any further on item 21 i know it was done together i just want to make sure nothing from the dais or the public hearing none seeing none i need to read the title of the ordinance i thought you did that previously i'm sorry not 21 okay no sir thank you so again this is a public hearing first reading of a zoning ordinance of the city of plantation florida rezoning plus or minus 15.50 plus or minus acres from op-p office park plantation district to b7q planned commercial development district in accordance with the city of plantation comprehensive zoning ordinance chapter 27-92 for property within the city of plantation florida said parcel of real property described as a parcel of land in section nine township 50 south range 41 east said parcel including a portion of parcels two and three jacaranda parcel 817 according to the plat thereof is recorded in plat book 143 at page one of the public records of broward county florida and being more particularly described in the legal description identified as exhibit a property generally located at 8151 to 8221 peters road and readopting said plan and map as the master land use plan and map 1989 making said plan and map part of the future land use element of the comprehensive plan of the city of plantation providing for severability providing for an effective date thank you seeing no further comments from the public or from the dais um do we have a motion on item 21 motion to approve do we have a second second madam clerk please call the roll council member anderson yes council member andrew yes council member fadgen yes council member horland yes council member reinstein yes okay moving on to item 19. yes thank you motion to approve please read the summary please read the summary this is a second reading an ordinance of the city of plantation florida pertaining to the subject of volunteer firefighters pension and retirements amending chapter 18 pensions and retirements article 3 volunteer firefighters of the code of ordinances of the city of plantation amending the optional methods of retirement payments providing for severability codification conflicts and an effective date seeing no questions from the public or from the dais do we have a motion motion oh but he had to read it first so make the motion again if you'd like second madam clerk please call the roll yes council member andrew yes yes yes council member horland yes council member reinstein yes m20 mr city attorney this is a resolution uh i could read it if you'd like but we're not required to read the the reso if we're not required then motion to approve um hold on one second before we do that i want to uh sorry it's been it's been a long evening already i want to recognize mr cory calheim the general council to covenant living communities and services he is here if there are any questions i don't think there's going to be do you wish to say anything just thank you for um your time getting this on the agenda very soon that's very helpful as we move this through the uh financing process sorry you had to wait this long but uh hope you enjoyed the discussion i learned a lot about the situation so thank you because this is a little more formalized if you could just um ask on the record whether or not there are any members of the public that wish to speak even though i do know that no member of the public has signed up to speak on this item thank you very much so yes no member of the public has signed up on it i will ask does any member of the public who is still here wish to speak on item 20. seeing none none no comments further from the dais mr city attorney yes and uh uh the city clerk uh wants to make a statement as well please yes i just wanted to let to advise that no written comments were received on this item and one final comment for the record um as part of your backup tonight you have along with the resolution the public meeting certificate and the notice of the public hearing thank you anything else no sir please call the roll do we do no i should do approve what did we get a second i thought we did i have i have mr anderson as a motion oh okay i'll second now we're good call the roll please yes council member under you yes council member fadden yes yes yes comments by the mayor got a little bit here um budget schedule has is starting next week uh anna will hand out uh guide books to everybody at our department head meeting and uh we're rocking and rolling on a new budget um adu's on the affordable housing committee and everybody on the committee felt like the public has not been informed enough on adu's so we're going to create a flyer um i'm going to write up some q a as a primer and mr alpert will write it up and um susan delar will design it and then we're going to try to find ways to distribute it so that we can do better with adu's um what's that you're good that's okay accessory dwelling units may i ask a mayor question yes please i didn't see you clicking because i was i didn't it's just i thought you looked this way go ahead just a flyer's i would be definitely what what if flyer flyer is fine but i would definitely do a website also so you can direct people there to read about it yes yes and like i said it strategic planning though nobody wakes up and in the morning it says i wonder what's on plantation but then when you're in talking or in public meetings you can say you get there's a section on the website go look yeah yeah yeah 100 percent um i sent you all some emails about things we're trying to get covered the hospital announcement tomorrow is anybody going nobody okay um and valentine's day is such a cute thing okay i can't make it either so okay and love and jazz is sunday you all know that so that that's it that's all i got thank you comments by council members councilman enjoy you thank you president reinstein want to wish everyone a happy valentine's day i was going to mention the uh sierra club climate reality project but dr long already stated that earlier today uh and as we know president's day is monday february 17th and i'd like for the public to know the 45th and we had uh miss ellison here from the naacp she did not do this one the 45th historic cis drunk festival will be saturday february 22nd and the principal from plantation high school miss cassandra robinson will be the grand marshal this year and there's a 5k for all of our runners because we all ran uh sunday i think councilmember anderson came in first place as well as the mayor uh so that is at 7 a.m and the parade begins at 8 30. and plantation high school will also be hosting the step show this year i plan on attending that friday february 21st at 6 30 p.m so look forward to our continuation of black history month and i want to thank the mayor for that proclamation thank you councilmember fadgen thank you president reinstein i just wanted to um thank administration and thank all the department heads and all the departments that put on the um strategic planning meeting i thought that um everybody was well prepared had great presentations i'm not a big fan of meetings particularly long meetings and um i thought it was a good use of time so thank you thank you for being prepared for that um after that meeting i went to the affordable housing meeting and i'm sitting out in there and in the audience observing and here's someone in the lobby hello hello um so apparently it was a business owner whose water got turned off but they said they paid the day before so i called danny on his personal cell phone and he got action and got him reconnected um so i appreciate that customer service so thank you danny and thank you to the guys you sent out there to help them get back running everyone needs a little help every now and then and then um happy valentine's day and good night councilmember anderson just very close to ditto what councilman fadgen had said our strategic plan was great it was a little long but it's quality stuff and we've done it a couple times now and no just to see our accomplishments and to see where we're going it does make me proud that we're part of that we're really it's competent it's it's good it's a very good thing that we're doing and i appreciate that and also happy valentine's day that's it thanks councilmember horland okay and i'm the advocate for strategic planning to be longer so i think there were valuable conversations that still need to be at the directors are shooting me dirty looks from the back but it was very valuable um april just put up rocky um this sweet boy his family moved and couldn't take him with him so he is for uh for adoption humane society uh he loves walks air conditioning well-mannered and potty trained and this weekend only for valentine's day the adoption fees for pets when you're of age and older will be half price so again for anybody listening uh let me know if you end up adopting rocky and i'll come visit you with a welcome package thank you um miss beggaro um for mr conklin who's still here i just wanted to answer a question you asked in the very beginning about the pensions the general employee pension fund and the police pension fund both have an online portal for their members available 24 7 they can do forecasting in that so that's why they don't get that mail statement so they do have access at all times so i wanted to answer that for you again strategic planning was fabulous um really i think valuable as we're making these decisions to move things forward and just wanted to leave you with um tomorrow i'll be at south plantation high school you all know that um the artist magda love i had helped to get her that uh sister with that ten thousand dollar grant from the broward cultural foundation so she is starting her curriculum with a senior at south plantation tomorrow the magnet program and uh it's uh our big thing that we talked about was fast fashion ending up in the landfill they're going to be creating an art project and um really excited about it it's going to be something that we hope we can move around the city it's going to be a large tapestry so they'd like to set up decorated boxes to collect some clothing in city hall would you be um okay with that okay yeah we'll make sure that it's um not something that would get out of the decorations did you see our we're getting some wraps up utility boxes so the fire department i did your fire department swimming and a dog and a dog and a dog i'm looking forward to the art ones from late that knows i wasn't a fan of some of the photos but i'm looking forward to seeing kids art out there or our contest but now they're great they're great so thank you everybody i know it's been late just two things to share um i wouldn't normally mention a very minor jewish holiday called tubish pot the birthday of the trees but i mention it because i want to thank mr holmes and indelie brown i met with them recently regarding landscaping and regarding the trees in our city and i appreciated their time so thank you for that i also i'm going to put on my relay for life hat and remind everybody um april 25th is relay for life if you haven't already signed up please do so uh it is a very big event in our city and i hope you will all put that on your calendar to attend with that at 10 17 p.m we're adjourned