City Council — Dec 4, 2024

Good evening and welcome. The Wednesday, December 4th, 2024 City of Plantation City Council meeting is now called to order at 610 p.m. City Clerk, Ms. Begaro, can you please call the roll? Council Member Anderson. Here. Council Member Andreu. Here. Council Member Fadgen. Here. Council Member Horland. Here. Council Member Reinstein. Here. Mayor Sortel. Here. City Attorney Ezra. Here. Thank you. And I'll turn it over to Council Member Fadgen who will introduce somebody from the invocation. Thank you, Council President Reinstein. Tonight I invited Chaplain Eric Filkin from Covenant Living to lead us in our invocation. So if we could stand and remain standing afterwards for the pledge. Thank you. And to introduce myself, my name is Eric Filkin. I'm a chaplain at Covenant Living in Florida, which is just down on the block. On Broward between Palm Island and Jacaranda Golf Club. It's a great place. We have just ranked by Newsweek Magazine 10th in the nation out of Continuing Care Retirement Communities. Number 3rd in Florida. Number 1 in our hearts. But also in South Florida. Number 1 in South Florida. But I am honored and privileged to be here. And I look forward to serving all of you in any way that I can. So let us pray. Lord God Almighty, I thank you and praise you for this day that you have made. And I thank you and praise you for the city of Plantation. Lord, I pray that you would pour out your wisdom on the council. And I pray that you would pour out your peace on our residents and staff. Lord, may we be a place that shines your light in this world. As we look forward to Christmas and Hanukkah. Lord, I pray that we would be the light that is promised. And so help us to love one another because you first loved us. And help us to love you with all our hearts, soul, mind, and strength. So pour out your blessings on us. And may we see you work in our lives. Lord, I pray that you would be with our first responders. Pray that you would bless them with wisdom and hope and joy in all that they do. So may we do everything for your glory and for our neighbor's good. In your precious name we pray. And everyone said, Amen. God bless you. Thank you, Chaplain. Chief Harrison, would you like to come up and direct the honor guard? Present colors. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty. Thank you. We're going to begin with items submitted by the mayor, the first one up. Mayor, Councilmember Andrea. This first proclamation this evening is a little bittersweet for several of us who have known Ms. Henschel for so long. So I will read the proclamation first and then she will have a few words as well and we'll take a group picture at the end. The proclamation reads, whereas Ms. Henschel tirelessly served as the principal of South Plantation High School from 2012 to 2024 and whereas Christine has created a school community focused on the whole child by establishing programs to ensure their social and emotional well-being and whereas in 2021 Christy was a finalist for principal of the year with Broward County Public Schools because of the positive impact she has had on student achievement and school culture and whereas Ms. Henschel has maintained high academic standards leading South Plantation High School to a B rating, demonstrating effective instructional strategies and whereas she has worked diligently to provide students, staff, and community a safe and supportive learning environment in which thousands of students and staff members have thrived and whereas Christine has not only played an integral role within the school community but in the district as a whole by serving as the president of the Broward Principal and Assistant Principal Association from 2022 to 2024. Now therefore, Nick Sordo Mayor and the council members of Plantation Florida do hereby proclaim today, December 4, 2024, as Christine Henschel Day. So, Ms. Henschel is not retiring though. She's not retiring. She's way too young still but she did take a position at the district office and we really could not allow you to leave South Plantation without just acknowledging everything that you've done for the school, for the community, so many alumni. I happen to be Plantation alumni but I'm in a house divided because my students, my children are with Christine but we really do, from the bottom of our hearts, I think everybody has a personal story that they can share but we want to thank you for everything that you've done for us. So, thank you so much, Jennifer. It's definitely a bittersweet move for me as well. Plantation has been my physical home for more than 24 years and South Plantation has been my home for almost 17 years. So, walking away from a school, a community, a group of people that have become a part of my heart and my life was not easy. But change and growth is necessary, I think, for all of us and the time came for me to grow a little bit in my professional career. So, definitely bittersweet, but I cannot thank this group here of council members, the mayor, of course the police chief, every other law enforcement officer and city of Plantation official or worker who graduated from South Plantation. Paladin pride is strong in this city and it has been such an honor and privilege to be a part of it. I, too, am a mother of Paladins, so it is not, it has never been just a job for me. It has been a calling and a passion and I have been so blessed to be able to live my passion here in this amazing city with the wonderful support of this community. So, thank you all for this honor. Wow, you did surprise me just, I guess, a couple of days early. But, um, definitely don't feel deserving, but wow, what an honor. Thank you all very much. I know that the assistant principal is here, all of the alumni, students, anyone here from South Plantation, and I don't know if the council wants to stay up there or come down. Oh, you'll stay up? Okay. We're going to take a group pick. So, your family. No, we want you in the picture. Anybody? Come here. Your daughter, she's so funny. You have to try. Your parents are here. And that gray guy in the back has to come in, too. Is that your hubby? It is my husband. Yeah, I've seen him back there. Eric's coming down. Oh, my God. I'm still there. Come on. Thank you for coming. Of course. Come in, come in, come in. How are you, sir? I know, I know. I know. Come, too. They, he doesn't. That's fine. Congratulations. I can't be far. I'm still there. Congratulations. I was going to say you had a nice job. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So, the reason we have the honor guard today is we have special guests. We have, we're going to do agenda item E now. We have hometown heroes, military that were honored. Councilmember Harlan has been talking about this for how many years? Since you've been sitting here, since you've been sitting there. She saw the idea and wanted to find a way to honor those in plantation who were in the military. She saw another city put up these banners. And she said, let's do it, but let's do it better. And I think we did. And I would love for her to come down and present. We took down the banners recently. So, we are going to give the first ten honorees their banners. So, yeah. Thank you, Mayor. I'm really honored. And with the support of the council administration, I'm so excited that the city plantation finally do this. So, how do you want to do this? Call everybody up, take a picture with their, and then we're going to take one final group picture. So, everybody. Edgar Arriola. Okay. Yep, we got a lot. Richard Bjorn-Giorno. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Kind of like when you're in fifth grade, you get that. James Dorvatakis. Oh, my goodness. William Hansen. William Kuntz. Michael Martellodo. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. April D. Moncrief. Right here. Glenn A. Ogden. Thomas Paris. Keisha A. Scott. And Joanne Watley. And we're going to ask the council to come down with the mayor and take a photo. And this is our inaugural class of Hometown Heroes 2024. Wrong! So, if you have a loved one who has served in the military, plantation.org slash, what is it? Michelle again? Plantation.org slash hometown heroes. There's a form you fill out, and they will be posted in the months leading up to Memorial Day. We want to do it twice a year leading up to Memorial Day and Veterans Day. So, thank you all. So, I have the honor of presenting the next proclamation, which is for HCA Florida Westside Hospital Day. Can we get everybody's attention, please? I'd like to call up CEO of HCA Westside, Drew Tyler, to join me. And anybody else that is with you, please bring them with you as well. I see Cleopatra Baudoy, Director of Communications and Community Engagement. I'll let you introduce everybody after. So, I have the proclamation for HCA Florida Westside Hospital Day, whereas HCA Florida Westside Hospital, located in Plantation, Florida, has been a vital healthcare institution, providing a high-quality medical care and contributing to the well-being of the community for 50 years. And whereas, since its founding in 1974, HCA Florida Westside Hospital has grown to serve thousands of patients each year, offering a comprehensive range of healthcare services, including emergency care, advanced surgical procedures, maternity and neonatal services, comprehensive stroke care, orthopedic surgery, and rehabilitation. And whereas, HCA Florida Westside Hospital has earned multiple prestigious recognitions, including the LEAP Frog A Safety Grade, Health Grades Awards for Orthopedic Surgery and Patient Safety Excellence, the Comprehensive Stroke Center Accreditation by DNV, and the Gold Plus Stroke Award from the American Heart Association's Get With the Guidelines. And whereas, HCA Florida Westside Hospital has continually demonstrated commitment to its patients and the community through outreach initiatives, educational programs, and partnerships with local organizations, supporting events such as health fairs, wellness screenings, and community celebrations. And whereas, the 50th anniversary of HCA Florida Westside Hospital represents not only a milestone of enduring healthcare excellence, but also a renewal of its pledge to serve and support the plantation community with compassion, integrity, and advanced care for generations to come. Now, therefore, I, Nick Sordal, the mayor of the city of Plantation, along with the entire city council of the city of Plantation, do hereby proclaim tomorrow, December 5th, 2024, as HCA Florida Westside Hospital Day in the city of Plantation, and we urge all residents to join us in this special observance. Congratulations, HCA. So I will turn this over to the CEO, Drew, and I'll give you an opportunity to say a few words. Thank you so much. Counsel, thank you for having us here tonight. And then as well for our community, I'm humbled to say thank you, at the very least, for being here and representing our hospital. So I'm somewhat new to our community, being here going on about 10 months, and I have absolutely loved being a part of Plantation, being a part of our Westside family. It has been so meaningful for me, especially for me reconnecting with my family, cousins who live here as my father moved to South Florida in 1950 from Connecticut and lived and worked here in Plantation in the early 70s. So the strong community support, as we saw tonight with our veterans being honored, is just a small example of what is going on here in our community with the strength of our community. And so, so thankful for your support, the support of the community, but I also want to recognize some of our wonderful team members here tonight. Cleo, our Director of Community Engagement and Communications. Robin, our Chief Nursing Officer, one of the most important roles in the hospital, leading our 600-plus nurses day in and day out. One of her directors, Joe DiCostanza. Joe's a wonderful leader on our Progressive Care Unit. And two of our doctors, Dr. Ramil and Dr. Chesed, who are here tonight to celebrate us as well. So thank you for all that you do. I notice our doctors got a lot of clapping. Do you care for half the – Dr. Chesed takes care of myself and my whole family. So thank you all, too, for being here. And really appreciate the support. We welcome everyone to come out tomorrow night as well, 6 to 8 o'clock on the east side of our campus. I'm not going to detail all the activities because I want to keep you in suspense, but we look forward to seeing everyone out there. This is really important to myself and our team that we're celebrating with our community. And we really want folks to come out. We've got many performances and others from the community being out. So thank you again. Sure, sure, sure. Thank you. So this is a night of ceremonies and awards. We are very proud that our second class of University of Plantation is here to get their diplomas. Those of you not familiar with University of Plantation, we want to educate residents about what we do. I think we had fire come in, utilities, city council came in, and you come in and we explain what we do. And I think you guys had fun. We don't have a dorm. We don't have a football team, but we learned a lot. So I'll call you. We'll come up. And, Laura, are you going to hand a proclamation? I'm not a school person. I don't think of that certificate. Okay. First up, Holly Ocampo. She'll photo direct. Sarah Prieto. Thank you. Roxanne Reed. Thank you. I appreciate it. Roberto Santiago. John Steinbauer. Thanks, sir. Kathy Steinbauer. Kevin Joseph Valley. And not able to make it is Lynn Sklar and Soretta Simon. Soretta not here? Okay. So that's the class. And before I give up the mic, these people will tell you. Oh, you're on a minute. Good. These people here will tell you that Laura is the heartbeat of this program. Laura's on top of it. She has programming, leads things, keeps everything. So I think you guys probably owe her a round of applause, right? So give it up. We all give her a round of applause. All of us. That's all I got. Bye, Rasmus. Thank you so much. Bye. Mayor, do we have any information on when the next University Plantation? The application period is open. We have spots. So we've actually got some students this year because the previous graduates recommended the program to them. So if you can help spread the word, we welcome everybody. Where do you go for the application? Plantation.org slash UP UP. Great. Thank you very much. And next we have Rick Hayes Bikes for Kids Proclamation. Mayor? Ryan hasn't made it yet. He has two things at once. Hopefully he makes it in the next four or five minutes and we find a way. I'll ask you if we can get it in. Great. Okay. Understood. But we do have a nice service award. Yes, we do. Let's do it. Public Works has been revived the past year and a half. This guy has put his foot on the gas pedal, has not lit up. And if you sit outside, you watch people come up to work, they have a smile on their face starting the day at 7 a.m., which a lot of us don't have. So Matt Thompson, 15 years. It takes a real occasion to get Public Works guy in a suit. So I know everybody's looking at me going, where's the funeral or the wedding? Good evening, everyone. Just really, really thankful for these 15 years. What an experience. What a ride. Still going strong. And we're not going to stop. I just want to really thank, first and foremost, my family, my wife, mother-in-law, my boys, my brother Gil. That's my support system at home. We all have to have it. So major kudos to them. A huge thank you to all of our, all my colleagues, all the directors, assistant directors, administration. I mean, the support, you guys. We fight fires figuratively and literally. And my team, most importantly, they are the ones that make me look good out there in the streets every day. So it's the least I could do is make them look good when I have the opportunity. So thank you to everybody for this great, great accomplishment. It really means a lot. You guys don't know this. This is your plan. And all my public works people who came out, George, Hugo, Warren, Miss Harper, Felix and Spirit. Ryan, my assistant director. You want to keep this? No, you can have it. Okay. I'll see you in five years. If you don't mind, Council President Weinstein, Ryan Case texted me. He'll be here at 7. And so you can go about your business and sometime later you could work him in maybe. Yes, I think we can handle that. Thank you. So let's move right along, please, with Parks and Recreation, upcoming events. Director, Trisha O'Toole. No cheering. My applause is gone. The party's over. A lot going on coming up this Friday, December 6th. We've got our second Rock the Park concert at Pine Island Park. It's the rock show band. The music starts at 7. Food trucks open at 6 p.m. I'm sure you saw the hustle and bustle out front for Saturday, December 7th. We've got our annual Light Up City Hall event from 5 p.m. to 9 p.m. Thursday, December 12th, the Jolly Holiday Senior Social at Jim Ward Community Center at 12 noon. Saturday, December 14th, breakfast with Santa at Volunteer Park from 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. We do have a couple spots left for that event. Also Saturday, December 14th, in conjunction with the Plantation Isles Boat Parade, we're having movies in the park showing Despicable Me 4. That's at Pop Traverse Park. You can get a good glimpse of the boat parade as it goes by. That starts at 5.30 p.m. Saturday, December 21st, we've got a parents' night off at Central Park. Monday, December 23rd through Friday, January 3rd, our winter break camp at Central Park. Tuesday, December 24th, Santa's visit, of course. We'll see Santa driving through all the neighborhoods of Plantation. Tuesday, December 31st, we have a Noon Year's Eve party for the Little Ones. That's at Volunteer Park from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. We're going to celebrate the New Year at 12 noon instead of midnight. Saturday, January 4th, our next Rock the Park event. That's at Pine Island Park again. And January 10th through the 11th, we're bringing back the Great Plantation Campout, a family campout at Volunteer Park. On our tennis division, this Friday to Sunday, December 15th, the Orange Bowl Tennis Tournament is taking place at the Veltree Tennis Center. We've got a winter champ swim meet also at Central Park, Thursday the 12th through Sunday the 15th. And we have a tennis academy, Rafael Nadal Tennis Academy, taking place also at the Veltree Tennis Center from December 26th through December 30th. A lot going on. See you all out there. Thank you very much. Next, we have public requests of counsel regarding municipal affairs. Those who wish to speak, we request that you complete a speaker form located in the back of the room. If you have not done so already, please do so. Please state your name and address when you reach the mic and address your remarks to the council president, not the mayor, or individual members of the council. Please keep your remarks to the allotted three minutes. If extra time will be needed to conclude your remarks, please ask for it as your time is expiring, not prior to beginning your remarks. We already have some cards already brought forward. So first I'll call up Ms. Kaleeb Thompson, which I know she has an exciting announcement from Island Space. So please. Good evening, President Weinstein. I'm Kaleeb Thompson, President and Co-Founder of Island Space Caribbean Museum. We are America's only Caribbean Heritage Museum, representing the one in four South Floridians born in the Caribbean region. We share their stories, their art, their history, culture, traditions with all who want to come and enjoy our space. And we are proudly located at Broward Mall in the city of Plantation. Thank you for this opportunity to speak this evening. First of all, I would like to invite everyone who has never visited the museum to come and enjoy the art, the history, the culture that is represented inside of our space. We are in the northeast corner of the mall, very close to Paul Mitchell and Lens Crafters. I also want to invite everyone to our signature annual event, Reggae Genealogy, which we plan to hold on Sunday, February 2nd. That's the first Sunday in February in the parking lot on the northeast corner of the mall. At Reggae Genealogy, we explore in vibrant visuals and vivid sound the origins and evolution of Jamaican music from its African origins through folk, ska, rock steady, lovers rock, reggae, dance hall, and even derivatives such as reggaeton and Afro beats. But it's not just about music and entertainment. It is also about education. This year in 2024, in front of an audience of 1,600, members of the Plantation Council and one of our Broward County commissioners took part as, during the show, we presented Lifetime Achievement Awards to reggae icons, Ms. Pat of VP Records, Marcia Griffiths, singer of the Electric Boogie, and Sadella Marley, CEO of the International Bob Marley Enterprises. In 2025, we're looking forward to the Council's presentation of Keys to the City to the three additional reggae icons that will be recognized. We implore the City's partnership and support as we elevate the profile of our museum and the community within which we operate, hopefully welcoming close to 3,000 to the City of Plantation. We invite the residents to come and enjoy the activities, the music, the culture, the history, and the camaraderie. We invite you to visit the museum Thursdays through Sundays, 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. and we hope to see everyone at Reggae Genealogy on Sunday, February 2nd at Broward Mall. You can find us online at islandspacefl.org and reggaegenealogy.org. Thank you very much. Thank you, Kaleeb. And if you haven't been to Island Space, please check it out. It's a wonderful addition to our city. Next, Mr. Conklin, please. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest 6th Court. Heavenly hosts protect you and your family. It's 47 days until Robert Kennedy Jr. becomes the Secretary of Health and Human Services, HHS, which should end the public health emergency, which has been going on for 1,720 days, three days before the national emergency shut down the country, imposed closure of our churches, mask and shot mandates, and the loss of our unalienable God-given rights. It's day 424 since the Hamas terrorist organization from the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist organization began the war on Israel, and the day after, 423 days of the Hezbollah war against Israel. It's day 225 of the coordinated campus jihads that's taken place across America. It's spread to synagogues and businesses. It's day 145 since the first assassination attempt of President Trump, which happened on the anniversary, July 13, 1907, of the appearance of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima to reveal the description of hell. It's been 81 days since the second assassination attempt on the President and day 30 since the landslide election and re-election of President Trump. I was disappointed in the legislative action. The public doesn't get to speak, but for months now, I've been asking that the city stress the importance to the legislature to begin the Constitutional Article I, Section 10, for the Bullion Depository for Florida and the transactional gold and silver. It was brought up about how short-term rentals are impacting affordable housing, and I've explained before how because of the loss of the purchasing power of the dollar, it would be very important to get this act put in place for Florida. So that's request number one. Number two, I request the removal from the city budget of the mandatory Marcoms Video on Demand DEI, the CT, CRT, and ESG mandatory training, which started around May of 2021. Industry, as you've been watching the news, is unplugged from this now. May I extend? 30 seconds, please. All right, request number three, that the city remove from the budget all electrical vehicles and associated equipment like charging stations and so forth, and I will yield back. Thank you very much, Mr. Conklin. Herb Yardley, take your time, sir. We have an ongoing dilemma about a wall that is behind our property. Sir, if you don't mind, before you actually get into it, if you can just say your full name and your address and maybe who's also with you here as well. Okay. Warren Yardley is with me. My name is Herb Yardley, and I operate the business at State Road 7, known as Massey Yardley. Thank you. We have recently sold that business to a young man named Tavenera, but we have a property problem. So the wall behind us, when we moved here in 1983, was erected, and a police officer driving, apprehending a speeder, ran into the wall. The wall is ancient. The wall is not on our property, or it's on our property, but it's not our wall. So we were giving a citation by the police department or by the code enforcement, and we acquiesced with that, and we petitioned that it was not our wall. It was not our cause. And the finding was that it was within our property, we had to repair it. So the next thing that we did was try and get contractors to repair the wall. It's an old wall. It has very unique concrete. And none of the contractors, we contacted 10, 10 contractors, would not address the wall. And they wouldn't address the wall because it was a difficult job. It was a very small job, $19,000. And they did not want to go through the plantation enforcement code to get the permits to do it. There were three problems. So finally, we found a company in Miami. And the young lady, Brenda Carmen Harlbert, has helped us very much. She is a nice woman, and she's inspected the wall. We've repaired the wall. We do not get a contractor to come out and certify that the wall is thick. Carmen has inspected the wall. The wall has been repaired. We need this issue resolved. Please, sir. So what is the request of counsel is to help resolve the issue? What is the particular issue that is the fine, or what is the issue that you're facing? Well, there is a fine, sir. But the issue is that we can't get approval from the building department because we don't have this last inspection. We've contacted 10 people to get this inspection, and we can't get them to come out and do it because there's no money in it for them. And the wall has been properly repaired. Third, I refer you to Carmen Harlbert, who has said the wall is properly repaired, the landscaping has been restored, et cetera. We just need this issue resolved, sir. The issue is that with these fines, there's been a lien on our property. So when we were going through the transaction of trying to sell the business, it was convoluted. But we could not sell it because there's a lien because of the fines. So we ended up going, we're leasing the dealership now, but in the future, we can't sell it with this lien, and we need to get this resolved. The current bill that we have here is for $3,100. We've spent close to $20,000 fixing this wall. Carmen came out before we started and after we finished. The problem is getting the proper permits, but we can't get them. We can't get the final inspection. We've gone through so many general contractors, it's not even funny. We need to get this wall issue resolved. Just for clarity, is the request of counsel in regards to the $3,100 lien, is that? We need the lien resolved. If we have to pay the $3,100, we will, but we need the lien satisfied and this issue resolved. I'm going to let the mayor, was there something? Chief Harrison. Chief Harrison, is there some further? And Carmen is here as well. So, if maybe both Carmen and the chief, if there's something to add to all of us, that would help us better understand this situation. Thank you, Mr. Yardley. Mr. Yardley, if you want to just let, you can sit down if you'd like right in the front there and let the chief take the podium. Good evening, council members. So, this was actually reported by a resident, January of 2022. Back in April, the property was cited on April 14th, 2023, for the wall along 42nd Avenue to be repaired and cleaned. The notice of violation was issued on July 4th, sorry, July 13th, and the case was presented to the magistrate on September 21st, 2023. The magistrate ordered the violation to be corrected by October 12th, 2023, or pay a fine of $100 per day. After several hearings and continuances, the lien was recorded in March of 2024. The cleaning of the wall was completed May 17th of 2024, and that fine stopped accruing. Mr. Yardley applied for a permit to repair the wall on August 16th of 2024. The permit was put on hold, status on September 6th, 2024, for corrections to be made in the permit process, and then withdrawn November 27th of 2024, after those issues were not addressed. The building department personnel permits that had been placed on hold status for after 60 days of no progress gets withdrawn. And I noticed Mr. Yardley had mentioned that a police car ran into the wall. I have searched our records thoroughly. I have not found an accident within that time period. So that's all I have from a code enforcement standpoint. Thank you very much. Carmen? Good evening, City Council. For the records, Carmen Hulbert, Assistant Building Official. Yes, Mr. Yardley and the company, apply for a permit. As you probably know, any repairs or any demolition for a building or, in this case, for a wall, it requires a permit. We need a proper documentation for it. Who is going to take care of the problem? How is it going to be done if it meets the minimum requirement? They are halfway to get the permit approved by the city. We just need the proper documentation to get it done. And he is, Mr. Yardley is correct. I went to the side, and it looks, apparently, it looks like the job was done correctly. I just need the proper documentation. Just for clarification, the proper documentation that you're referring to, is that in regards to the lien? Is that only in regards to the lien, or what else is the proper documentation? Well, for this particular case, we have two different things happening at the same time. We have a code violation because something doesn't look good for the city. A wall was damaged, and it just looked ugly. It needs to be taken care of. In order to take care of that, I need a permit application. But in the meantime, a code violation needs to be open so we can keep a track when it's repaired. So, when time passes by, if the permit application or the construction document has not passed by to the city and approved, the code violation goes to a next step, which is accruing fines. And only a permit approved by the city will stop the fines. So, in order for the permit to be approved by the city, what is required left from the city for the applicant? Well, several things are required for this particular issue. We need approval from the landscape. We need approval from the engineering department. We need approval from the zoning department. Each of them, they have different features that need to be addressed. One of the features was from the structural department asking them what exactly is the wall made of and how it's going to be attached. That is one of the documents that it requires to, the proper construction documents to be approved. We can't just say, well, I'm going to do a wall. So, okay, wood, framing, concrete, just pour concrete, CMU, that is what we need to know. So, that was one. Yeah, we need to know what it's made of and how it's going to be attached. So, what it sounds like is that there are a number of things that still need to be done by the applicant, according to the department, in order to even reach the stage of approving a permit, which are separate and apart from the lien. That is absolutely correct. As soon as they get approval of that, the permit application, and then the fines or the lien will stop and they go to another process. But it looks to me, from what I remember, they are very close to have a permit. But I need a paperwork. And the paperwork is in regards to those number of things that still need to be done. Mr. Yardley, if you want to come back to the podium. Thank you. One moment. We'll give you time. Take your time. I've completed everything, sir, except the inspection by a concrete person. We've contacted 10 people and they won't come here. They won't do it. And the demands of the building department for these materials are excessive. And, sir, we have repaired that wall. It is in good shape. I don't think anybody disturbs that or disputes that. But we need this issue resolved. We can't get anybody to come and inspect it. We can't do it. We've contacted 10 contractors. We've contacted 10 contractors. Now, the only issue is the inspection by a concrete inspector that says the wall is proper. And the wall is proper, sir. We had we spent I don't know how much man hours trying to get this wall repaired. And we finally found a company in Miami that would do it. And we couldn't get anybody in Bowered County to do it. Mr. If I may, I think what I'd like to do right now, since this is a request of public comments, is that if maybe you can go outside with with Miss Carmen. Hold on one second. Let her make sure that you're on the same page as to what is needed. And I'd like to have them submit back to the council what that information is so we can actually review it in a little more detail. Because it seems like there are a number of things that they have on a list that may be in addition to what you're presenting. We'll meet with anybody, sir. We just need this issue resolved, please. Yeah. Mayor? Mayor, just for clarification, I heard from the Yardley's August 2nd that there was a concern about this, about fixing the wall and everything. And so we've been working on this and we've had the conversations. And we pretty well spelled out what we need to have a safe wall that meets everything, the standards that we have for our city throughout our building department. We've had those talks. So, Mayor, is it your position that there are things that need to get done and despite the difficulties that the Yardley's are expressing, that those steps need to be? State law would be that. You have to have a wall. You can't put a – she can't get a license if she approves a wall that's not been better. You can say it better than me, Carmen, but, yeah. It's not like a negotiable thing. Yeah, I think they are a little bit ahead of themselves that they are speaking about the inspection itself for the wall, which I already confirmed that it looks correct. What I need to know in the paper is how it was done, what type of material was used. That's what I understood as well, is that there's a number of steps before you even get the inspection that they want satisfied. Before – hold on, Mr. Yardley. Council Member Horland. Thank you, Mr. President. Well, just for clarification, because we're talking about inspection, but it seems to me that you need something from the contractor who did the repairs. Would that be correct? Well, here's the issue. Okay, we couldn't get a general contractor to do that. Right, and you had to go to Miami. So we called the company in Miami. Right. Fabricated the wall, came down, inspected, fabricated it exactly like the wall is, molded it, even put the grooves in exactly what it was. The company that built the wall is out of business. We couldn't hire them or we would have just done that and we would be done with it. So we really exhausted our resources to get this done. She says – Carmen has been wonderful. I am not derogatory about her at all. She has been. But we presented the materials that were used from the proposal. From the repair. If you have a copy, you all are welcome to have it. And we submitted that. We've submitted in the landscaping. There's just – the trees weren't damaged. There were just shrubs around it. We've replaced the shrubs. They're the same shrubs that we have on the property. So that was an easy one. So we've gone through these things and we were told – Carmen told us that we had to get this final inspector to be able to do this to get all the permits that we needed. We can't get that. So I just want to clarify. Thank you. So they need an inspector to – it does not suffice that they have a statement from the gentleman who repaired the wall. I just want to get that clear because it's not clear. Mr. Yardy, if you just back up and let Carmen speak for a moment, please. So as I'm writing now, I don't know exactly because I'm missing that documentation. I don't know how the wall was done. I know it's done because I went and I see it. If they have any documentation they show the wall was poor or the wall has a foundation or just it was a CMU wall, I believe that will suffice. I just need that paperwork to be added to the permit. It looks to me like it's going to be an easy fix if I just got that paperwork. From the gentleman who repaired the wall? It could be from the gentleman who did the work. It could be that he gave it to them and he provided it to us. That's what I'm trying to get some clarity on. So if we could get just perhaps even a statement, what type of material that he used. That is correct. And beyond that, it's not – well, I did it with wood. I need to know, okay, you did the spacing, what type of stuff that you did, two by fours, two by sixes, 12 inches apart, how many screws you put it in. That is what I'm looking for. Thank you, Carmen. Warren, did you have a document that you wanted to give to Carmen? This is the proposal from the wall company and this is the materials and things that he used and we did submit that. I did show that. I don't know if it got misplaced or I did it wrong, but that I did turn in. Carmen, is that a document that you have, Carmen, or is that you need more than what's – Yeah, I need more. This is a list of the material. What material is the way it used? But how – Proposals. Yeah, how it was put it together is another story. In a situation where the person who did the installation of the wall is no longer available, let's say they – for whatever reason, they're no longer available, is there – do they have to hire somebody else to give you affirmation of how the wall was constructed? What would you do in a situation like that? Because that's what I thought I heard is that they can no longer obtain – Sir, with respect, we've repaired the wall. We didn't damage the wall. We didn't build the wall. The council in our petitions said that because the wall was on our property, we had to repair it. We've done that, sir. And now we can't get anyone to waive the paperwork that resolves this issue. The wall has been properly repaired. It's been inspected. The wall is substantial. And we need this issue resolved. We can't go on with this. We contact all kinds of contractors in the city, and they won't come and do it. Mr. Darley, just so you understand, we're giving you a lot of time on this because we want to try and help you, and we want to try and resolve this. I understand that. What I've heard from the mayor as well as from Carmen is that according to whether it's Florida code or building code or Florida statute is that there's a certain requirement that they need, and I understand you're having difficulty obtaining that. And it may be you're having an impossibility to obtain it. So unless I hear from whether it's the city attorney or the building department as to how to otherwise assist you without having that documentation, I'm at a loss because I'd like to further help you. I understand your position, sir. But this issue has to get resolved. We can't go on with this forever. We've done everything that we can do other than the paperwork that is required. And the requirements of the paperwork for this old law are ridiculous. It's ridiculous, sir. And that's why the contractors won't apply. I understand. Unless the city attorney or the mayor has something further that we can do in terms of from a legal perspective. This is a building code issue. And, again, the decision of the building official, it really needs to be deferred to. The only other thing that I was thinking about is whether or not an owner, if they could submit an owner-builder application, they did. Okay. Where are we now, sir? Mr. Yarley, there doesn't sound like there's anything further that this council can do because the building department, it's in their hands. And the building department has spoken as to what is required by law. Well, what if we can't get what they require? That's what the issue is because the last time I spoke with Carmen, we were told to get this type of company engineer to come out and see if it's structurally sound and give her the details she wants. I don't think we're going to be able to do that. I've called central – I have several friends that are general contractors. One of them is the gentleman who redid our building several years ago, and he wouldn't do the job. And they've referred me to other companies, and they won't even come out and look at it. I mean, we're back against the wall. We're not trying to be difficult. We're not trying to – No, and there's no suggestion of that. We spent $20,000 doing this. We're not trying to be cheap. We're not trying to fix it ourselves. So I can – Mr. Yarley, we can ask if the city attorney can maybe just tell us what would be the process going forward if they're not able to do what is being asked by the building department. Again, the city attorney doesn't direct the building official. It's a building official issue. It's something I'd be happy to discuss with the building department and see if there is a way to appeal the issue to the Board of Rules and Appeals. But, again, sitting here at this time, I cannot give you an answer. Typically what happens is you submit an application. I understand the impossibility of the issue. I'm at a loss. If somebody wants to challenge the decision of the building official, typically the recourse is to file a request with the Board of Rules and Appeals in Broward County. Mr. Neunamaker. We don't need – Mr. Yarley, one moment. Let Mr. Neunamaker jump in and maybe assist us here. Excuse me, sir. I would just respectfully submit that the repair – if the repair was done, there was an application submitted. It wasn't perfected, and that's the problem. What I would suggest is that the people that did the repair finish that paperwork, call for the final inspection. Then this item will be ripe for the consideration of abatement. Right now this is not ripe for that. And we have – this is not an uncommon issue as far as having to take up work that was performed by another person. So there's structural folks, there's engineers, there's contractors. I realize it might not be the easiest thing to do, but it is possible, and it is not unique. He is not – And that's unfortunate, but we have folks who maybe they have a pool that's half constructed, and we can't just waive those requirements. And so, I mean, I'm sympathetic with what you're saying, but it is something that other residents have to go through. What would you have us do, sir, when these – Mr. Yardley, we understand, and we're very sympathetic. We're trying to find a way to assist you. We've had the mayor chime in and Mr. Noonamaker. You're welcome to have additional conversations outside with the building department if that would assist you. I know you – it may not, but there's nothing that I'm understanding from our council that we can further do to respond at this time. Okay, sir. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Nguyen. Mr. Nguyen, can I just give you my number so I can touch base with Mr. Yardley? Mr. Yardley, Councilmember Andreu is offering – Okay, I'm going to try to help you find a – Can you point of order? I'm sorry, you can't, Mr. Conklin. There's no point of order on a comment. Mr. Nguyen. May I reclaim my 15 seconds? Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. There is no reclamation of time, Mr. Conklin. Mr. Nguyen. Mr. Nguyen. Breathe. I do fail for them. That does stink. Joe Nguyen, 944 Northwest 92nd Terrace. That's a good leadoff to come here, and thank you for the support over the – this year, just being here for our residents. You know, I haven't been as involved with this city quite as long as somebody like Mr. Conklin and other members, members of the council as well, but I've had an opportunity to get more involved in this time, and this city has shown to be extremely responsive to residents, to resident concerns, and empathetic and sympathetic to challenges and needs of the city. And I want to thank you for the city, and I want to thank you for the city, and I want to thank you all for that. Additionally, I want to send a holiday wish to all, regardless of what you celebrate, how you celebrate. I would recommend, because there's no one here to represent that and promote it for them, that everyone, if they have the opportunity to take a visit to the Plantation Historical Museum and check out the trees and decorations that are there. You may find that Councilmember, Council President Reinstein, has done up a section of the property as well, and it is very nice, exciting, and educational. And other members of the community have done trees to a degree that you probably would think, I wouldn't spend the time to do that in one in my own house. So, it's, I think, the 39th year of them doing it. It's a great tradition. It's a free entry to go there. And while I was over there today, I also finally got my library card from the Plantation Library, so I was very proud of that. I look forward to going over there for information on anyone who does happen to bike ride like me. They will check out a bike lock for you while you are there, if you would like to put your bike there and don't want to have to carry around a heavy lock. And it is a wonderful little library. Yes, Westside is bigger and has more resources, but ours is nicer, quieter, has better trees, and is just more fun to be at. No offense to Broward County. Plantation here and Plantation High. For that, thank you all for your time and maybe back up in some future discussions. But until then, happy holidays, and thank you all, and I wish you all a happy new year. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Nguyen. Mayor, were you buzzing in for something further? No, no, nothing. Did you want to? Let me finish with public comments. Last call for any requests to speak, requests from the council, any further? Lori? We gave her our papers. Right. I was told that it was in regards to legislative and quasi-judicial items. Good evening, and I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving. And while Mr. Nguyen brought up bikes, that's how I'll start. Electric bikes. Don't laugh. So I have a question. Are electric bikes supposed to be on the road, or are they supposed to be on sidewalks? Yes. What do you mean, yes? Yes to both? May I? Because? Lori, if you want, the mayor is able to respond. Florida Bicycle Association says 12 miles per hour, you should be on the sidewalk. More than 12, you should be on the road. Okay. They are not a governing agency. They are not the boss. But I'm saying cyclists, that's the, that's how they were taught. Suggestion? Yeah. Suggestion. Is there any kind of program that can, like, let them know? Because, I mean, when they're on the sidewalk and they're going fast, and you go to turn into, like, a gas station or something, they're way down there, and the next thing you know, they're here. And I've seen quite a few almost get hit, because they don't slow down when they're getting to the openings, like, for gas stations or whatever else. And it's kind of dangerous. But that's my take on the bicycles. So, we have a hole down the end of our street. I'm on 6th Street and 118th. And I believe the holes were made when they were doing to check out the pipes to see where the drainage was. And I'm not sure if Paid did it or if the city was doing it. When Shamir was checking it. But I did bring it up to Paid at our last meeting, and I was told by a couple of them they were going to go check it out. But they didn't check it out, because it really needs to have either the tape or something around it, because if either a horse is running along there or a kid is even walking and doesn't see it, or even the guy mowing the lawn, if he wants to get some money from the city, can go right into it. And I did take pictures, because it's been there for quite a while now. And I don't know why the guy that owns the house does not report this, because it's quite big. And the way it is, you don't see it until you're right on top of it. And I know my child fell in a hole that was just the grass had grown over and broke his arm in three places. So if somebody goes in this, they're going to get hurt. So I'm not sure if it's the city, but if somebody wants to check it out, or whatever department should check it out, should, because this could be quite costly. I think Mr. Thompson, Director Thompson in the back, is willing to talk to you afterwards. Okay. And then I just wanted to, I did see your article today. Thank you very much for four months of working on this, and the eyesore is going to be gone. I hope something nice really does go in there and bring some business to the Broward Mall. So thank you for your hard work, and whoever else worked on it, thank you. And have a nice holiday if I don't see you before it, whichever one you do celebrate. Thank you. Thanks, Ms. Bernardi. Hearing no other request of counsel regarding municipal affairs, public request of counsel. Oh, I'm sorry. Lizette, speak up, Lizette. Speak up. Good evening, council members. I hope you echo everybody else. I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. I did. Your name and address, please. Oh, Lizette Hampton, 11460 Northwest 8th Street. Thank you, Ms. Hampton. I have two items. One is addressing the whole 118th and 6th, and I'll get to that in a minute. But there's a comment that was made here last week that really bothered me and has bothered me for the past two weeks. And it was the comment about the anti-Semitic comment made during the pre-election process, early voting process. And, you know, when we, and I want to thank you for having addressed the issue publicly. If you don't, if we don't do that, okay, we're condoning it. I have, I'm a woman, I'm a Latin woman. I have been discriminated for being a woman, for being a Latin woman, for speaking with an accent, et cetera. If we, it is in our, it is in our laws that we do not discriminate against faith, against gender, against ethnicity, against race. Why would we want a public official to not bring that up and publicly shame the person who did that? If we do that, we are condoning it. Let me tell you, we are, we would be allowing it, we would be allowing discrimination for anyone and everyone that a person feels that they want to bully. Because it's bullying, that's what it is. So, thank you. I want to thank you for having addressed that issue publicly. And I wish I had called the FBI. I almost did. I want you to know. The other comment is the whole of Northwest 6th. I also called City Hall. I reported it. I think I reported it to Mr. Nunamaker's assistant. I reported it to Paid. That was about three weeks ago. The hole is still there. Somebody will, the hole is about two feet by, it's about two feet by two feet. It's a very deep hole. There is a horse that's going to fall in there. There's a person that can fall in there. And when they do, they'll hurt themselves. Please, act on it right away. I call the city. Please. Thank you. Thank you very much. Now, hearing and seeing no other requests to speak from the Council Chambers, public requests of the Council regarding municipal affairs are now closed. The consent, I'm sorry? The, yes. So we're going to take a brief pause in order to jump back to items submitted by the mayor. And we have Rick Case, Bikes for Kids Proclamation. Good evening. Ryan Case wanted to wait until Joe Wynn was here before we do anything about bikes. Look, bicycles are everything. I had nothing better than a kid on a bike. You all have been doing this year after year, finding a way. And I'm sure that feeling when you put a bike in a kid's hands, it's pretty unbeatable. No, it's a lot of fun. I mean, it's the greatest joy when you get to the store and we'll have all the bikes set up and all the kids will come out for the Boys and Girls Clubs or the local community. And just seeing them get their bike in their home and they get on their bike and we size them for it. And it's, you know, it's freedom. They get out and they get out on the road and they get to cruise the town. Yes. And hopefully stay out of the way. The electric bicycles. Councilmember Fadgen might have a story about that. You went very far on your bike when you were a kid. Was that? You talked about when you were a kid, you would take your bike all over the place. Right. Yeah, it's your first freedom. I mean, you're getting out, you're exploring on a bicycle. Yes. So I'm going to read the proclamation. Whereas 42 years ago, the Bikes for Kids program was started by Rita and Rick Case in conjunction with the local Boys and Girls Clubs and other local charities to distribute new and pre-owned bicycles during the holiday season. And whereas this program teaches children a valuable lesson about the joys of giving, as well as providing a much appreciated gift for children. Whereas throughout the program's history, more than 100,000 bikes have been donated in Cleveland, Atlanta, and South Florida. And whereas this contribution is significant in terms of effort. Whereas it is hoped that 5,000 more bicycles will be received and given to deserving children this year. Therefore, I, next total mayor and the city council, hereby proclaim Rick Case Bike for Kids Day. So you're going to tell them how to bring your bikes and everything? Yeah, absolutely. Please. I feel like I should turn around and talk to everybody. You don't have to help your manager or nothing. Just bring your bike down to any one of the stores. A bike that you no longer need, that your kids have grown out of, that the neighbor's kids have grown out of. And we'll work with local organizations to get it fixed up and get it like new and get a helmet for the child that fits that bike and get them out on the road and cruising the town and causing a ruckus. Thank you. I appreciate it, everybody. Did you want a picture, Mayor? Mayor, did you get a picture? Did you? Thank you, Mr. Case. Back to the consent agenda. The consent agenda consists of items 1 through 13 and may be approved with one motion. Does any member of the council wish to pull an item? 1, 2, 3. Pull 5 and 9. Anybody else from the council? I also have number 4 by Mr. Conklin. So that leaves us with 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, and 13. Is there a motion for consent items 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, and 13? So moved. Second. Ms. Beggarow, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Item number 1, Council Member Fadgen. Thank you. This should be very quick. On page 22 of the package, it says attachments, and then it's highlighted in yellow. Be sure to attach any and all supporting documentation related to this item or service. Were there any attachments? And I'm only asking because it's highlighted in yellow. This is the reallocation, right? No. Okay. When you highlight something, it draws your eyes to it. Yes. A motion to approve? Second. Thank you. Hearing no other comments, Ms. Beggarow, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Item number 2, Council Member Fadgen. I pulled item 2 and 3 kind of over the same thing. I don't believe I got the backup for it. I looked in the email. I'll do better this time. So, Charles Spence, Procurement Director, the backup for these two items was confidential. I understand that. Right. So, I'm not sure how the confidential backup information works in the system. I have to defer to the City Clerk's Office because... Well, what we've been doing is it's been emailed. I think we had something added on that late amendment to the agenda that was confidential and that was emailed to us. Item 13, I believe. Right. Item 13 also has some confidential information as well. I got that. Right. So, I don't think I've ever... Hey, April? How does the attachments work for confidential information on the agenda? Those that are using our legislate can access it, but otherwise I email it. And I have no problem with that. You know, I find it a little frustrating. When I started my professional career, I worked for an accounting firm that had over 10,000 employees. And they stocked my computer with everything that they wanted me to use and tools. Now, my business, I have four or five employees. Everything I want them to utilize on their computer is on that computer or there's instructions on how to get that resource if it's a cloud-based resource. I don't have that on there. I'm a little frustrated. You know, if you ask me to clean a window and you give me a hammer, we're only going to clean that window once. But, so, it wasn't sent to me. Okay. And I'm a little frustrated about it. And this was a short period because it happened before a holiday. And then some of these things I would have probably followed up on on Tuesday got disrupted because I had to rework my notes and my notations. And I've already had a conversation regarding that. And things are going to happen. I'm very unsympathetic to missing deadlines. And it's probably because of my professional background. So, and I think there's residents that are looking for these agendas. And there's people that might have looked at the agendas last week when it got posted and have no idea that, that there was an amendment to the agenda that happened after hours Monday. It happened, I think, after 530. So, all right. I'm off my soapbox. I don't think you want me to make the motion. So, I can't speak to the timing. I won't speak to the timing of an amendment to the agenda. I thought we had received on Monday, December 2nd, in the email at 1235 p.m., the backup material and referencing the multi-factor authentication item, too. So, I may be mistaken, but I thought it was received from Ms. Beggarow. Council Member Hoyland. Thank you, Mr. President. I want to say the same thing. I did receive the email, but also I don't know who's using iLegislate or Legislate. But, I'll tell you, for agenda management, I mean, it's been terrific, especially the move from iLegislate to Legislate, which is web-based, and you can access it on any computer. I have no argument regarding that. My point with that is it's either it needs to be installed on my computer or it needs to be given instructions on how to use it. Well, with the Legislate, you can access it from any computer now, and I think that makes it a lot easier. So, I need instructions. But, to the point, I just wanted to say that I was able to access the information. Okay. I think the point's taken. Thank you very much. I'll make a motion to approve. A second. Hearing no further comments, Ms. Beggarow, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu. Yes. Council Member Fadgen. No. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Reinstein. Yes. Thank you. Council Member Fadgen, was that all sold for three, or did you have anything further? Someone can make a motion. Motion to approve. I'll second. Hearing no further comments, Ms. Beggarow. Council Member Andreu. Yes. Council Member Fadgen. No. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Reinstein. Yes. Mr. Conklin, Item 4. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest 6th Court. I pulled this. I wanted to thank the city for continuing progress through Plantation Park East, which is sort of an amalgamation of Breeswick Park Estates and the seven or eight other developments that I live in on the east side of 46th Avenue. I'm in the last section to get done, so I'm happy to see that we're on the next to the last section. I've been here for a while, and I remember when the Gateway 7 wall was built, and it most impacted Country Club Estates, but it also quieted that neighborhood because the wall ran right across the entrance streets that were used as cut through for that street. The wall that was spoken about during the public request at the Massey Yardley, that's part of that Gateway 7 wall. I don't have a strong recollection of that. I was still shipping them, but I attended a lot of those meetings, and I thought it was a taking because those residents in Country Club Estates and businesses along the north side of Broward Boulevard, they did not put those walls up. I thought it was a city takings, and that's basically it. I'll yield back my time, and thanks for continuing to work with Breeswick Park Estates, but I think it's a city wall. Thank you, Mr. Conklin. Do we have a motion? Motion to approve item 4. Second. Hearing no further comments, seeing no further comments, Ms. Bevereaux, please call the roll. Council Member Andrew? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Item 5 was one that I pulled. This is the Municipal Service B study. Hi. We didn't have a chance to speak. I did speak to Mr. Nunamaker about this item. I'm wondering if you could give some breakdown in terms of this. It seemed like this is $140,000 plus a contingency of an additional $10,000 for a fee study. So we're paying money to determine how much money to charge in terms of potential impact fees, right? In terms of comparison, how do we see other cities are doing in terms of paying for a fee study? And likewise, is there any ability for us to utilize the people that we have here at our city to submit the information and for our city to review it internally without having an essentially $150,000 consulting fee? Sure. I will not be able to speak to the Kansas City staff who do the work. It wouldn't be in my wheelhouse to discuss that. However, I did poll a number of cities here in Florida to determine if they go out to a third party to obtain these services. And out of the cities that I've polled, in the last three years, I was able to cover 15 different cities that have gone out for competitive solicitation relating to these types of services. It's not unusual that within those 15 cities that only two responses happened. And it was actually surprising to me when I was doing the poll that we received two responses during our process, and those cities also receive two-to-one response during their process as well. So it's not unusual for cities to exercise some diligence to receive a third party when conducting these types of services. The firm, DTA, is also here today. Hector Perez, he's in the audience. He'd be willing to speak to more of the professional outcomes and things of that nature of how they conduct business and the benefits of having a third party. If you care to hear him speak to those things. But it's not unusual to have cities do a third party for this type of work. As to can city staff do it, I can't answer that. Maybe Mr. Nunamaker can further speak to in terms of the ability to pull the information as far as the need by all of our departments and to somewhat compare and see how other cities are utilizing impact fees so that we could essentially do this in-house as opposed to the consulting. No, that certainly would not be a recommendation. I mean, in speaking to staff in planning and zoning, procurement, finance, none of them are aware of performing these studies in-house. In my past experience, none of the jurisdictions I've worked with or worked for have done it in-house. These studies are specific to the particular entity because the justification for these fees are particular to the entity's needs. There's demographic data. There's a level of expertise that's involved here that I would somewhat compare. It might not be a perfect analogy, but once your taxes get a little bit more complicated, you want an accountant. So if you're audited, you've got somebody. That's the person. I'm trying to get on my good side. Yeah, I'm trying to make up. I hadn't caught yet. Because if we are challenged in court, we want to make sure that we pass the rational nexus test, we meet all the statutory requirements. So I take your point, $150,000 is not a light fee, but comparatively speaking, one of the things I was talking to Charles about, I'm not concerned initially that it was too low because I'm used to those fees coming in the $250,000, $300,000 range. So, and I don't want to, please don't misunderstand. It's not a lack of confidence in staff. It's the defensibility of the study itself that there's a real priority. So that, I appreciate that. That didn't come up in our conversation in terms of, you know, if there was a need to defend it. And that I can understand from a legal perspective, the comparative nexus and the ability to have essentially independent third-party experts, so to speak, who can speak on behalf. Let me jump in and have Council Member Hortland. Thank you, President Weinstein. I was going to say exactly that. My concern would have been with, I think it's Chapter 163 state statute with governing the impact fees, would be the rational nexus and being able to defend those fees as we set forth. So that's exactly what I was going to say. Thank you. Council Member Fadgen. Thank you. I think I was reading one of the sample reports that one of the firms was presented, and it also looked like it talked about the implementation, like you can't just go from $100 to $200. You know, there has to be a ramp up to it. So I think that's what we're really paying for is kind of the proper implementation of whatever we decide to incorporate. Now, regarding the fees that we're looking at, I mentioned this to you when we spoke. I'm very conflicted about having an impact fee for public art because then we're asking someone, I guess it may be a developer or something, to contribute to a fund that they might have a philosophical problem with. And there's a member of the Midtown Board that has a serious problem with, now it's private. You know, but she's paying rent in this facility. It has this, you know, mural. And I think it's not necessarily a good idea for government to ask for money for public art. I think we probably should stay out of that and encourage the private investment like we've been doing so far. So that's just my thoughts. We can knock out $4,000 off that proposal if we get rid of the art impact of the study. Council Member Hoyland. I'm back. I just had this conversation with an artist yesterday. And as a matter of fact, and I'd actually like to get an idea, I know there are many cities, and this is what the artist said to me yesterday, does plantation have an impact fee for public art? Because many municipalities are implementing such a, and I think that's a way to grow the cultural arts in our city. So I absolutely would like the public art to stay in there. You know, and I think that there are going to be businesses that will have philosophical differences. But I think if someone's coming in here, that's a way to build the cultural arts in our city. So I would like for that to stay in there, please. And just for further clarification, though, is that this is only in regards to the consultant to determine, to do a study regarding impact fees. Whether or not we actually move forward in any of those categories is a much later step. Yes, and certainly it will be up to you all to make that decision. And the degree to which we increase the fees is going to require more buy-in from you all. Because if we get more aggressive, it requires a super majority, I believe. So all that will come back to you. We only have two fees that we don't currently collect that we're considering. One would be the art. The other would be a mobility fee. So it's something to flesh out. It doesn't commit you to doing it. But at least we'll give you the data that you can then consider whether this is worthwhile or not. But the other fees we're very concerned about because we want to make sure that as you all are considering this development, that we have the capital contributions we need to keep the quality of the services up. Councilmember Fadgen. I'm back. I brought it up for discussion. So I'm conflicted on it. So if it was a larger line item on the contract, I think I'd be arguing much stronger against it at this point in time. I agree once we have the study, that's when we determine when we're going to implement these things. But might as well throw it out now in case there's a consensus to get rid of the $4,000. But thank you. I think actually I brought it up. I don't know if it was five and nine that I brought up, but either way, thank you for explaining regarding the test that's required and where we may need in terms of any legal challenge because that wasn't something I think we discussed in our prior conversation. No, maybe not. That being said, I'll make the motion to approve five. I'll second. Thank you. Hearing no further discussion, seeing no further comments, City Clerk, please call the roll. Councilmember Andrew? Yes. Councilmember Fadgen? Yes. Councilmember Horland? Yes. Councilmember Anderson? Yes. Councilmember Reinstein? Yes. I also ask for number nine. This is Liberty Tree Park Boundary and Topographic Survey. I had a chance to speak to Mr. Nunamaker a bit about this and thought if I could get a little further information for the public in terms of the need for this $40,000-plus survey cost. Excuse me, Jason again. This is a little bit more than a general survey would cost because the tree survey is pretty in-depth. That's about $12,000 of this item. And one of the things we did discuss is that there's multiple things going on with Liberty Tree Park. One, we've got the inclusive playground that's going to be included. And for that reason, we want to make sure that the park is indeed accessible if we're inviting folks in for that purpose. The other aspect is the parking has always been atrocious at Liberty Tree. We need to address that. We need to address the drainage. And also, we're looking to incorporate into our overall master plan of the campus. So the tree survey will be important for that as we consider the campus holistically. So you'll see further efforts coming before you for the balance of the campus, for City Hall, for the police department, because we do want to take the holistic view of what we've got here. Is this an updated survey, or does there already exist a boundary and topographic survey? I don't. The first thing we typically do is look to see what we have existing. And I don't believe we were able to locate anything that was sufficient for this piece. So in order to do the upgrades regarding accessibility for the playground and parking, this is required? Yes, sir, for all those various elements. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody have any further comments or questions? Seeing none, I'll make the motion for number nine. Second. City Clerk, if you could please call the roll. Council Member Andreu. Yes. Council Member Fadgen. Yes. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Amson. Yes. Thank you very much. That now takes us to legislative items. We have a first reading for an ordinance amending Chapter 18, Pensions and Retirement, Article 2, Employees Retirement System, Division 2, Police Officers. City Attorney. Yes, sir. An ordinance of the City Council of the City of Plantation, Florida, amending City Code Chapter 18, Pensions and Retirement, Article 2, Employees Retirement System, Division 2, Police Officers. Amending Section 18.62, Retirement Dates for Certain Tier 1 and Tier 2 Police Officers. Amending Section 18.631, Paren A, to increase the number of overtime hours that may be pensionable compensation, providing for severability, codification, and effective date. Council Member Fadgen. Thank you, Council President Reisting. You know, I speak to these pensions a lot because I believe that it's not a problem that we're going to be dealing with as the current council, whether we're here for another four years or 10 years. This is a 30, 40-year problem. And I really want to take the emphasis off enhancing these pension plans and enhancing the fine contribution plans. The funded ratios decrease in a half percent, 82.2 percent to 81.7 percent. And being refunded in 80 percent is good. But that half percent decrease in the funded ratio, it changes the unfunded actuarial accrued liability from $38,866.51 to $40,161,337. That's $1,295,286 increase in the unfunded actuarial accrued liability. So I'm going to put a spotlight on this every time we're going to be touching the pensions. I'm worried about this, and it's not going to affect me. I'm going to be dead. I'm going to be gone. I'm not going to be sitting on the council when these things go bad. We're well-managed, all of our pensions. I take my role on the general employee pension plan very serious. I'm very impressed with the board that I serve with, the seriousness they take with it, the thoughtfulness that they take with it. I attend periodically the police pension board. I know Council Member Horland treats it the same way that I do with the seriousness of it, and that's a thoughtful board. So we have good people in charge of these boards, but that doesn't mean that's going to be forever. And then the fire pension board, that's overfunded, we're overfunded, which is great. It's a small pension. So I'm just making my comments, saying my piece. I can go put my head down and not stress out about this. But we really got to enhance the fine contribution plans. We can do it. We can convince people. Instead of constantly, let's tweak this. Let's add another tier. It's just going to become unmanageable. So thank you. Any other discussion from Council? Is there a motion? Motion to approve. Second. And I see comments from the public. Mr. Conklin. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest 6th Court. I want to thank Councilman Fagin for addressing this. It's not a future problem. It is a problem. And I've spoken to years since I discovered the CAFERS when I got off the ships. So I've been doing it for, what, 1994? What is this now? 30 years? I don't know. The city's pension funds, they don't meet the unfunded liabilities. And when you look at OPEBs and stuff like that and everything else, you're way over $100 million unfunded liability. And I believe that this is what the Councilman was addressing, and I address it each year when the CAFERS come out. I was wondering if, and this doesn't deal with it specifically, but when the contract in the past with the policeman's pension came, they installed a 401K. That must have been, I want to say, 2011 maybe. And they've never turned the switch on that. It sits there. It's in the plan. When I go to the pension board meetings, I bring up the fact that, you know, if I was stuck with my pension only from a dying industry, the United States flagged merchant marine, I'd be up the river. I got a $740 a month pension from them. But when Ronald Reagan came in after Jimmy Carter set up the IRAs, I couldn't do that because I was under a covered pension plan. But Reagan came and said, anybody that works in America can have an IRA. And when it became Roth IRAs, I contributed Roth IRAs. I can get by. My generation, if they did that, they can get by. The only place where these defined benefit plan dinosaurs exist anymore is government because you hold the knife to our throat because the taxpayer is on the hook for the liability. In the market, the companies had the switch because they had no threat over anybody. There was no intimidation. And they'd made that transition back, as I mentioned. I was in the 70s when they started IRAP because we were a group pension. In other words, not just one company was under the contract. It was called an IRAP. And then they were able to make it a 401k and so forth and so on. But anyway, this has to be addressed. It's not a problem for future generations because it should weigh on all of your consciences right now. I yield back. Thank you, Mr. Conklin. Any further comments from the public? Seeing none, we have a motion and a second. City Clerk, if you can please call the roll. Council Member Andreu. Yes. Council Member Fajin. Yes. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Weinstein. Yes. Agenda Item 15, PP230041, Public Hearing First Reading of an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Plantation, Florida, Repealing Ordinance No. 1140, which adopted the permitted conditional uses in a B7Q zoning district. City Attorney. Yes, sir. This is Public Hearing First Reading of an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Plantation, Florida, Repealing Ordinance No. 1140, which adopted the permitted conditional uses in a BQ zoning district described as Track C and D of Jacaranda Parcel 320, providing for severability, conflicts, and an effective date. Seeing none, any discussion from Council? I don't see any discussion from Council. Is there a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Are we doing the presentation now, or we're going to wait? Do we need a presentation? Yes. Okay. So then we just need to, somebody needs to ask for it, so please. Thanks for being squeaked. Go ahead. Excuse me, just a point of clarification, because we have multiple items for consideration. So is the plan to do one presentation and do all of the items pertaining to this matter at the same time? That's what I was just going to propose, so, and some of the items are quasi-judicial, so we probably... So my suggestion would be, if we're going to do that, let me read the script. Swear in the witnesses for this particular item. We'll do one presentation. We'll do individual votes on individual items. Some of them are ordinances that require us to read titles, and I think we'll try to... That would be my recommendation. I will receive my motion. And if I may suggest... Go ahead, Governor Andreu. I would say if we took 18 and 19 out of order, it might help with the flow, and then we would just go right from the legislative items into the quasi. But just to... So I don't have any problem with that, although I would just add, then it would make sense to take 23 as well, and just 18, 19, and 23, and then we'll do the rest all together. So any objection? No, sir. Okay. So let's go ahead and read the instructions, please. Number 18, correct? Yes. This is PP24-0015, public hearing, second reading of an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Plantation, Florida, amending ordinance 2024-007 to extend the moratorium imposed therein until March 8, 2025, providing for conflict, severability, and an effective date. Councilmember Andreu? Are you still... No, but I'll do a motion to approve. And I'll second. Okay. Thank you very much, and any comments from the public? Seeing none, for item 18, City Clerk, if you could read the roll. Councilmember Andreu? Yes. Councilmember Kradin? Yes. Councilmember Horland? Yes. Councilmember Anderson? Yes. Councilmember Einstein? Yes. We're now going to do number 19, Z Carwash. City Attorney? There's no requirement to read the title of the Reservoir, but I'm happy to do so. Sure. Love to hear you read, City Attorney. Thank you. Z Carwash, resolution of the City Council of the City of Plantation, Florida, approving and authorizing execution of the subordination of the city utility interests with the State of Florida Department of Transportation, providing for conflict, severability, and an effective date. Fantastic. Any discussion from Councils? Seeing none, is there a motion? Motion to approve. Second. Any comments from the public? Seeing, hearing none, City Clerk, if you could please call the roll. Councilmember Andreu? Yes. Councilmember Kradin? Yes. Councilmember Horland? Yes. Councilmember Anderson? Yes. Councilmember Reinstein? Yes. So we'll now have the instructions for quasi-judicial proceedings, so that we'll then start with 23, and then we'll go back to do all the rest together. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Quasi-judicial proceedings. The City Clerk will swear on all witnesses before speaking. Please state your name and whether you have been administered an oath. Any speaker may be cross-examined. If you refuse to be cross-examined, your testimony may not be considered. Cross-examination shall be conducted in a courteous manner. The material on the City Clerk's agenda packet will be made a part of the record. The City staff will make the first presentation, followed by presentations from the applicant, any affected parties, and the public. The elected officials may set reasonable time limits for speakers. The hearing will then be closed and the matter decided. The City Council's decision will be delineated in its motion and rendered in writing by way of a development order, resolution, or ordinance evidencing its decision. The City Council may also decide to continue the matter to a designated time to allow for additional research or review. And for all those who wish to speak, the City Clerk will swear on all witnesses. All items, anybody who's going to speak on any of the quasi-judicial items, now is the time. City Clerk? Okay. Do you swear or affirm that the evidence that you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Thank you. So we're going to begin with 23, which is not what you have up there. Yeah. We're going to do 23, which is the other loan item. Everything else then will flow together. Good evening, Council. City Attorney, City Clerk, Michael Albert, Assistant Director. I'm going to stop for one moment. I know you always do a great presentation, but is there anybody on the Council who wants to hear the presentation? We've heard this before and are familiar with it. Sounds good to me. Is there any discussion from Council? Seeing no discussion from Council, is there a motion on item 23? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Any comments from the public? We have comments from the public on item 23, and I see here Ms. Fain. Hi, I'm Jennifer Fain, 11831 Northwest 9th Street. Good evening, Council, Mayor, President. Ad nauseum, this issue has been discussed. I just would like to say that on behalf of Plantation Acres Homeowners Association, I would like to extend my heartfelt thanks for your attention and dedication in keeping our zoning regulations consistent. This project has been going on for way too long, and we are very excited that it is going to be within the proper zoning, and we are excited for development. We are not against development. We just want it to be the right kind of development. So we are looking forward to this, and more importantly, we are excited to stop discussing this and to take our red signs down. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Ms. Fain. Ms. Hampton, did you want to speak? Okay, very good. And Mr. Wynn. I got on now. Joe, did you want to speak on this item? No. Very good. Ms. Bernardi. No. Lori Bernardi, 11681 Northwest 6th Street. I just want to say, after listening to everybody for years, I think everybody has finally come to the right resolution, leaving Plantation Acres the way it was. I'd like to welcome your development to our neighborhood. Thank you for working it out with us, and thank you. Have a nice evening. Thank you. Any further comments? Seeing none, Ms. Beggarow, if you can please call the roll. Council Member Andrew. Yes. Council Member Fajan. Yes. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Reinstein. Yes. Thank you. Congratulations. Yes. Now for 15. Let's see. 15. And 15 items, 15, 20, 21, and 22. And City Attorney. Just as a suggestion, you may want to do the presentation first. Correct. And then after the presentation, we'll take each of the individual items. Very good. Go ahead, please. Thank you. Okay. Good afternoon. Mr. Chair, members of the Council, for the record, Dan Holmes, planning, zoning, and economic development director. This is application PP23-0040, 230041, and 230042. There are several requests associated with this, as you have different items on the agenda tonight. The first deals with a repeal of ordinance number 1140, which adopted the existing list of allowable conditional uses within the current B7Q district. I'll explain why this is being proposed for repeal in just a moment. The second item will be conditional use approval to allow multifamily and designated retail uses within the subject B7Q zoning district. Again, if once item one is repealed, then we have to replace it with a list of uses that are applicable to that site. And again, I'll get into that in just a moment. The third request is the allocation of 206 of the city's residential flexibility units for the proposed Plantation City Center mixed-use development. The fourth request is also to designate, of those 206 units, to designate 51 of those units as moderate-income affordable housing units, which will enable the allocation of 306 residential dentist bonus units pursuant to policy 2.16.3 of the Broward County Land Use Plan. And I have some slides that will kind of get into that and explain that request in a little more detail as well. And then item five will be site plan elevation landscape plan approval to permit the development overall of 512 multifamily dwelling units and 25,477 square feet of commercial use on the site. And then finally, there are six zoning waivers and three landscape waivers from Chapter 27 of the land development regulations that are associated with the application as well. And I'll give some detail into each of those. So just a little property information. Agent for this application is C. William Laystrom. The address of the property is 8601 West Sunrise Boulevard. The property is currently owned by 8601 West Sunrise Owner, LLC. The size of the property is approximately 13.72 net acres and 16.83 gross acres. The underlying zoning for the property is the city's planned commercial development district, which is the B7Q district. And the underlying future land use for the parcel is commercial. This is a general location map of the city. As you can see, the property is located along Sunrise Boulevard, about approximately one-fourth mile east of Pine Island Road. This gives an aerial photo of the site to the left. So you can see the existing use, which has been vacated some time ago. This is the overall size of the parcel here. To the right is just the plat that's currently approved for the parcel. The parcel is track C and track D of the Jacaranda parcel 320 plat. And this kind of just gives some aerial photos of looking at the parcel from the east, northwest, southeast, and the southwest view of the property. The zoning, as indicated, is B7Q. To the east of the parcel is also B7Q. Designation to the south is a PRD designation. And to the west of the site is B7Q and the B2P zoning. To the north is, within the city of Sunrise, a single-family residential, but it is zoned within the city of Sunrise. With regard to the notice, there are several applications associated with this. Because of the different applications, the public notification boundary was 1,000 feet for this. So all the parcels that are located within the red circle there are within that 1,000-foot boundary. And those are the parcels that receive notice for this application. So let's talk first about conditional use requests. All uses, just to give you some background, because the parcel is currently designated B7Q, and it is slated to remain a B7Q district. So under the B7Q zoning district, all uses within the B7Q zoning district must be approved by the city council via the conditional use process. So whenever you see a B7Q district within the city, each of those districts have different uses associated with them that were approved via conditional use. They're not like the other traditional zoning districts that we have in the city. So currently there is the old AT&T use that was on the site. It was approved at one point in B7Q, so it has a list of uses that were approved for that site. So one of the things that we have to do is, first, because the proposed development, the uses that were approved as part of the AT&T development would not be applicable for the proposed development, the first thing that we're doing here is repealing Ordinance No. 1140. Ordinance 1140, which was, again, for the AT&T, basically approved administrative offices, personal and technical training, communications equipment, training areas, and in-house catered dining uses on the site for the AT&T. So item 15 would repeal Ordinance No. 15, would repeal Item No. 15, Ordinance 1140. Then what we're proposing to do is approve conditional uses for the site for the proposed mixed-use development. So the applicant has requested to modify the list of permitted uses for the site to include multifamily and residential and commercial uses permitted in the B2P zoning district. So staff did take a look at that B2P district. Typically, we really didn't have any major issues with the uses there. There are typically issues that are appropriate for the mixed-use development. There were a couple of uses that we felt, because of the nature of the mixed-use development, that we were recommending be removed from the use, and those are some of the uses that you see here. And so our recommendation is to approve the B2P uses minus the uses that you see there. And we have that also identified in the backup for this item, approving the conditional uses for the site. Now we have residential flex. So the applicant is also requesting residential flex. So, you know, we went through our whole residential flex ordinance, which we took many years to do. We finally got that ordinance in place and kind of adopted a way to move forward with the unified kind of flex. But as part of that, one of the things that we said that as applicants come in and they request our flex units, that we were looking for them to provide an affordable housing component. So the applicant, the subject parcel, has a commercial land-use designation to permit multifamily residential development on the site. The applicant is requesting to utilize the city's flex rules. Without the city's flex rule, it would have to go through a traditional land-use plan amendment. So the city's residential flex rule permits the development of residential units on a parcel with a commercial land-use designation without the need to undertake a land-use plan amendment. So there is a request here to utilize flex. The applicant is requesting utilization or assignment of 206 flexibility units for the proposed development. The 206, under the 206 flexibility units, the applicant is requesting to take 51 of those 206 flex units and utilize for affordable housing. And if that is approved, then under that, under policy 2.16.3 of the Broward County Land-Use Plan, the applicant will be permitted to receive bonus densities for those 51 units. Currently, there's six units that will be permitted per each unit, and that's where we get approval of 306 residential bonus density units. So essentially, we would be assigning 206 units here. Based upon the 51 that would be utilized for affordable housing, the applicant would get 306 bonus density units, and that would make up the 512 that you see as part of the application here tonight. And I have another slide here that kind of breaks that down. So on our side, within the city's land-use plan, we actually have a maximum density that we permit of 25 dwelling units per acre. The property is 16.83 acres, so if we just took that traditionally, 16.83 acres times the 25 dwelling units per acre, that would be a maximum of 420 units that will be permitted on the site. But with the request to do the bonus density and to utilize or develop 51 moderate income units, the applicant would, under the Broward County Land-Use Plan, be permitted additional density, which would slightly exceed the 25 dwelling units per acre. So we'd be looking at, in total, probably right around 30 dwelling units per acre with the 512 that's proposed. So you see up top here, 16.83 times 25, that would be what would be permitted without the other rules here. So the applicant is requesting the use of 206 flex units. As indicated, of the 206 flex units, 51 of those will be moderate income affordable housing units. Again, as I indicated on the policy 2.16.3, the applicant will receive a total of 6 market units for every moderate income unit. So for every 51 of these units, the applicant receives 6 bonus density units, and that's where you get the 306 units. So again, 206 flex plus the 306 bonus density is where we get the 512 units from. So I just wanted to help you understand the math behind the proposal. Site plan, elevation, landscape plan. So the project, as submitted, consists of eight residential buildings and two retail buildings. The residential buildings, there's one 8-story building, residential that would be the B1 building that you see here, which would have 272 dwelling units. Five 3-story garden apartment buildings. So these are the garden apartment buildings that you see here, and then 15 two-story townhome units. So this would be the B7 and the B8 buildings. Now, as I indicated, there are 15 townhome units. So you look here and you say, well, there's six in the B7 building and six here. Where are the other three going to be located? So the applicant is proposing to locate three of those units in the B1 building. So that's where we get the 15 townhome units. In terms of the retail, there's two one-story stand-alone buildings that's proposed for the site. That's the R3 building here, which is 3,267 square feet, and the R2 building, which is 9,600 square feet, and space located on the ground floor of the eight-story building. So some of the space on this ground floor building is also slated for retail development as well. With regard to some of the amenities, you see some of the amenities that are proposed. There's a pool that would also be built at this mixed-use building, B1. There's also a pool, a dog park, and a kid's area that would be built adjacent to the townhome units, and there's a pickleball court that would be built adjacent to the B3 garden apartment unit. And this just gives you kind of a layout of the site. There's ingress, egress into the site along Sunrise Boulevard at the southeast corner here, and also ingress, egress from the southwest corner. Again, this is the mixed-use building that's being proposed. These are the garden apartments that are being proposed. This is the townhomes that are being proposed located along the rear here, and then the additional stand-alone residential buildings. We kind of talked about circulation, so with the two ingress, egress points, what you see in red here basically identifies circulation for automobile use on the site. We also wanted to point out the pedestrian circulation. We did try to take time and really look at this as a mixed-use project. We wanted to make sure that there was good pedestrian connectivity throughout the site, and so you can see that kind of highlighted in blue here with the pedestrian connectivity throughout the site. There's an existing bus stop. This bus stop would, there are some improvements that we're recommending for the bus stop. It's located along Sunrise Boulevard. And then you see in yellow some of the areas that would permit outdoor seating for some of the dining areas that are anticipated as part of the development. So development summary, 512 residential units, 497 would be apartment rentals, 51 moderate income, 15 for-sale townhouse units, 25,477 square foot of commercial space, two stand-alone buildings, and on the ground floor of the mixed-use building, 833 parking spaces, 453 within the garage, and 380 surface spaces. And the amenities as identified, two pools, a pickleball court, a dog park, and a playground. In terms of the parking itself, the city's code has different parking standards for the different units that are being proposed. So the studio, one-bedroom, two-bedroom, three-bedroom, townhouse, and commercial components have different parking requirements or standards. So based upon the number of units that are proposed as studio, 1.5, you get the 42 spaces. So if you look at each of these standards times the number of units, we have a total of 1,246 spaces that would be required on the site. The applicant is proposing to provide 833 spaces, so there is a parking reduction. Some of this, and there are studies that were done as part of that, too, deals with the mixed-use component. We are looking at this more. It's transit-oriented type design. So there is some expectation of reduction in parking. You also know that we are taking a look at reducing our overall parking code itself. So if this were submitted after that parking code, that parking, the overall parking would actually have come down some. But the applicant, so this is one of the variances that you'll see as part of the application a little later. The development is proposed in three phases. Phase 1 consists of just overall site improvements. It consists of the lake, the access road that you see here, retail building R2, garden apartment, buildings B2, 4, 5, 6, townhouse buildings B7 and B8, and amenities next to the townhouse. So pretty much everything you see here and then all of the buildings located here. Phase 2 will consist of the garden apartment B3 building and the pickleball court, which is this middle garden apartment building located here. And then finally, phase 3, as proposed, will be building 1, which is the mixed-use building, the retail building R1, and amenities at the ground floor, retail 3, and the access road to the southwest of the site. This gives you sort of an image of the architecture that's being proposed. The architectural style of the buildings is linear and contemporary with the breakdown of building massing in heights and a wider range of materials with flat roofs. So if you were driving along Sunrise Boulevard, this is kind of what you would see and how you would experience the project. This shows some of the retail buildings. The main access is that really, I would say, our ingress-egress into the property is at the southeast corner. So there's a median kind of dividing the entryway there. So that's kind of what you see here. And you can see the retail building located here. And there's also, like, a roundabout as you come in with the main entryway there that's located here as well. We do identify that this is a nice location for some public art. We talked to the applicant about that, and they've indicated that they're willing to look into putting some public art there. And then if you were looking at the project from Sunrise, from the single-family homes located in the city of Sunrise, looking south across the canal, this is a view of the project that you would see. These are the materials that are proposed, primarily finishes of limestone, wood-look aluminum, and painted stucco with reveals and light beige and natural warm colors. We do have the material board that we can, I guess, Mr. Leystrom is grabbing that. We can put that up if you want to take a closer look at that. So in terms of one of the things that we talked about at the DRC in terms of the compatibility of the project, we tried to look at the project and the surrounding development. And so the larger buildings that you see here, you can see this is the eight-story building. You go down to the three-story building, garden apartments, and then the two-story townhomes. You have single-family residential here. So the plan was to kind of gradually kind of reduce the height of the buildings as you got closer to that residential to be more compatible with the residential. And so you see here this building, this eight-story building. The three-story buildings you see kind of located here, and then the two-story buildings located to the rear of the site. So there's a mix of uses and heights that you would see on the site. And this just shows kind of the massing and facade articulation of the various buildings. It's building one that you see there. Traffic study was done. The applicant submitted a plan that was reviewed both by our engineering division. It's expected to produce 3,114 vehicle trips per day, with 203 trips occurring during the a.m. peak hour and 281 trips occurring during the p.m. peak hour. This table just kind of breaks down what those peak hour numbers are. We do have the traffic consultant here, and we also have one representative from the engineering department if you have some questions regarding the traffic study. There were some recommendations that did come out of the traffic study that we looked at. One of the things that was recommended that once the 8601 West Sunrise Boulevard project is complete and occupied, that the development team contacted Briar County Transportation Engineering Division to request signal timing on eight traffic signals. They'd be reviewed. The traffic signals you see here at Cleary Boulevard at North Pine Island, Cleary Boulevard at North University Drive, West Sunrise at North Pine Island, West Sunrise at Northwest 85th Avenue, Florida, West Drive, West Sunrise Boulevard at North University Drive, West Sunrise at 70th, West Sunrise at Northwest 16th, and the Sunset Strip at North University Drive. I have a map here that kind of shows each of those intersections that are recommended. Other recommendations. The primary project driver is expected to operate within acceptable parameters during a.m. peak hours in the future build-out year. The engineering department just felt as a cautionary measure that it was recommended that a signal warrant analysis be conducted at the Eastern Project driveway once construction is complete and all buildings are occupied. So that's another recommendation that the engineering department has recommended. The city of Plantation, as you know, recently adopted a multimodal transportation plan. 8601 is identified within one mile of University Drive and Sunrise Boulevard. So therefore, as we looked at this, the city is requesting this development to contribute to the identified improvements within the corridor or any local roadway improvements. Prior to the entrance of a building permit, the applicant did agree to traffic improvements and the cost sharing in the amount of $206,571 as we looked at some of those improvements. And then finally, parking analysis provided that 833 parking spaces proposed to be located on site will accommodate the expected peak usage. According to the current site plan, the applicant has agreed to place 63 spaces for bike parking within the on-site garage. I talked about earlier the bus stop that's located there. There would be some proposed improvements to the bus stop, which would include a 40-foot by 8-foot ADA bus boarding area adjacent to the edge of the existing sidewalk, and relocation of the bench and trash area are also proposed. So some minor improvements to the bus stop area there. And then the addition of 224 EV-capable charging stations are proposed, where 20 of them install with the current site plan. So those are some of the traffic improvements that were recommended by staff. As I indicated, there are some zoning and landscape waivers associated with the project. The first zoning waiver deals with lot coverage and floor area ratio. There are two buildings in particular that are impacted here. Building 1, which is the 8-story building, would require a 21% maximum lot coverage under the code. And building 3, I'm sorry, the 3-story buildings, buildings B2 through B6, would require 30% maximum lot coverage. And then building 8, in terms of the floor area ratio, would require 1.18 floor area ratio. And building 7 and 8, two stories, would require maximum floor area ratio of 0.6. So the applicant is requiring, instead, to have lot coverage at 40% for building 1, maximum lot coverage for buildings B2 through B6 at 47%, and then the floor area ratio for building 1, the 8-story building at 2.4 maximum floor area ratio, and then buildings 7 and 8, which are 2 stories, at 0.6 for maximum floor area ratio. Zoning waiver number 2 deals with setbacks, pursuant to Section 27-92C, which requires a setback of 1.5 times the building height. Building B1 would have a required setback of 135 feet. You can kind of see here from Sunrise, the purple line here kind of shows what that 135-foot setback would be. And so under that requirement, development would have to basically start here. And then the other setback is a side setback here, which would be required at 58 feet, based upon that. So the applicant is requesting that building 1 in the front, that there be a 40.5-foot setback, and that's the setback that you see here in terms of where the building is located. And then on the side, the building 1, have a 58-foot setback, and that's what you're seeing there. So the required setback, as I indicated, is 1.5 times the height of the building. As I indicated, the applicant is proposing to provide 833 spaces. So the applicant is requesting a 33% reduction in the amount of parking. So there's a parking waiver. So that's the breakdown. We talked about how that is calculated in an earlier slide. Zoning waiver number 4, which requires a 25-foot-wide drive-out for 90-degree parking in the parking garage. So this is the parking garage located here, and this just kind of identifies some of the areas where the applicant is proposing to reduce the drive-out from the 25-foot width to the 24-width. Zoning waiver number 5, which requires 11 off-street loading zones for the proposed development. The applicant is requesting to provide a total of three dedicated loading zones. One of the loading zones would be located here for this retail building, and then there are two loading zones here, which would be applicable for the buildings here. Loading for these garden apartments and for the townhomes could basically take place within the area here in the parking located here. One of the things that staff did kind of look into, and we did some research with regard to the loading zones, there are some apps out there that can kind of assist with them managing loading zones. And so we recommended that they kind of look into a smart loading zone app to assist, you know, residents and individuals, you know, servicing the site. So that was just a recommendation. I just put it in there. Zoning waiver number 6, which requires the height of our buildings containing residential uses, which are located outside of the plantation midtown, shall not exceed 5 stories with a maximum height of 65 feet. As indicated, one of the buildings on the side of the applicant was proposing at 8 stories, 90 feet, so they're requesting a waiver from the code. And again, this shows the 8-foot building. One of the things that the architect tried to do was to try to create a kind of breakdown of the massing here and to make the building really appear smaller as you drive by. And the architect is here to sort of explain that, but it's, you know, with the design of the building, it would appear visually to the eye a little smaller or not as tall as it's proposed there. So one of the things I did want to indicate that, as we said, is we have to look at with the Live Local Act that whenever we have requests for increase in building heights, we want to see how it's impacted by Live Local. Live Local does indicate that anything within one mile of an existing building that all buildings, you know, if someone comes in and would like to do a Live Local proposal, that they could also build it at height. However, I do want to point out that because bonus density is being utilized here, the Live Local Act would exclude this building from that height. So the five-story height that we have would still be applicable here because the bonus density is being applied here. So we do not have to honor the eight stories under the Live Local Act. I have that section of the Live Local Act if you'd like to take a look at that. And as I indicated, there are a couple of landscape waivers. Landscape waiver number one pertains to the width of the landscape pedestrian zones. The applicant is basically, these are all the landscape pedestrian zones. So the applicant is requesting to reduce the size of the landscape pedestrian zones that you see there. With the landscape pedestrian zones being reduced a little bit in size, the applicant is also requesting to reduce the requirement of the one shade tree for every 30 lineal feet and also to reduce the amount of installed landscape, the other landscape that would go into LPZs as well. Landscape waiver number two, which requires all properties to comply with buffer yard requirements, provided in table 255.1 of the code. So as you see here, the buffer yard usually runs along the periphery of the site. So there's a buffer yard located here. So what the applicant is requesting is to allow for a reduction of the east perimeter buffer from 10 feet to 6 feet. That's the buffer area that you see here. And then to allow for a reduction of the south perimeter buffer from 20 feet to 16 feet. You can see here that the curbing here to kind of allow this maneuver, this kind of tapers down a bit. And so at the very edge here on the east side, the applicant would not be able to meet the buffer requirements. So they're requesting to go from the 20 foot to the 16 foot for that front buffer. And then landscape waiver number three, pursuant to section 27255C1, landscape islands shall be located at the ends of all parking roads, interspersed throughout the site, shall not be located more than 10 parking spaces apart on average, and shall have a minimum of 12 feet width from inside curb to inside curb. So the landscape islands that you see here as proposed are not proposed at the 12 feet. They kind of vary between 7 feet, 7 inches to 8 feet in these various locations. But these would be all the locations where the landscape island would, as proposed to, be below the 10 foot requirement, or the 12 foot wide requirement. And based upon that, it's a pretty good summary of the project. Happy to answer any questions. The applicant is here. And we're happy to answer any questions. Does the applicant want to have a presentation, or do you want to just start with some comments from the council? I don't see anybody. Nobody's buzzed in immediately. So Bill Astrom, 1177 Southeast 3rd Avenue, on behalf of the applicant. First, to all the staff recommendations, we have agreed to them. So I know they're recommendations, but we had already worked on those with the staff and actually incorporated them into the plans. I have two just pledges that I've made to others outside this room. So we have softened the little east entranceway where you saw those very small landscape waivers for the eastern. That's to provide a softened turn to go to the Lethbridge. I call it the Lethbridge Village, but Pine Island Commons. So I wanted to commit to that because I know he's not here tonight and make sure he was aware of it. And the other thing is, because we listen to everybody, the Water Hill West folks have certainly asked us to do the best we can to try to discourage traffic from not using our site, but actually kind of, I call it using the back road or frontage road. So you saw that there was a cut in the median as you come in. We are going to at least request that that gets removed. It's in the F-dot right-of-way. So it's, we think we'll be fine, but we just, we wanted to let you know that that will prevent cars from our project that would be trying to get out from taking an early left and then cutting through Mr. Lethbridge's property and going out down to Lauderdale West light. I call it the light. Before we continue with any discussion, I see Council Member Fadgen will be called next. I do want to make, since this is, we're joining in the legislative items with the quasi-judicial items, I'll make a Jennings disclosure that I met with Mr. Lestrom and the applicant in regards to these matters. I'd like to make the same Jennings disclosure and it will not affect my vote. I too would like to make a Jennings disclosure. It will not affect my vote. I would like to make a Jennings disclosure. I met with the applicant. It will not affect my vote. And it won't, I didn't say that specifically, but I'll add that in. It won't affect my vote either. Thank you. Council Member Fadgen. I'm going to make the Jennings disclosure. I met with the applicant. It will not affect my vote. This question might be for Danny. So we allow 25 units per acre as our maximum density. They're asking for 30. Is there anywhere else in the city that we're over the 25 maximum? Where? Midtown. All of Midtown? Almost every residential building. Is it over 30? Well over 30. Okay. Probably closer to 50, 60. I think I kind of bring this up with every, every project. You know, we have a volunteer fire department and our, our firefighters have to be within a certain, like a five minute radius of their, of their station. Are you going to commit that some of these units will be, you know, some of these affordable units be dedicated to our firefighters? We have a whole speech about how we do that, which is a good speech, but I'll just say yes. Okay. Yes. So our intent, we have a related and, and BH group have a, a program for home with called hometown heroes long before you made your request. And so we always focus on basically the police, the fire and the teachers. I did explain the unique situation of plantation with your volunteer fire department. So our goal was to provide the fire department with the first ability to get all of the units once we're ready to market them. We are going to spread them through the site. While it showed three phases, the reality is it's just because the closest property to sunrise is going to be our staging area to get started. But, you know, this will all, the 51 will be there as while we're opening. So we'll have some in the back, some in the middle and, and some in the, in the building. Okay. So the answer is yes. One of my questions was answered during the presentation. So good job. That's all I have for now. Council Member Andrzejewa. Thank you. I see that you switched over, it looks like, to a different presentation. But I wanted to go back, if you can, to the conditional use. So I was concerned about particularly, specifically, the drive-thru restaurant. I think that was listed as one that would be allowed. It was not allowed. It was, it was excluded? Yes. Okay, I just wanted to make sure. Yeah, we didn't feel that drive-thru was applicable. Everything on that list for the drive-thru was excluded. Exactly. Okay. Well, I wanted to make sure that the drive-thru was excluded. Also, so much to unpack here. I felt like it was a bit understated there, and I'm sorry, I didn't write the slide number down. But, I'm sorry, where was drive-thru? So, so you see uses to be excluded from the applicant's request. They would not be appropriate for a mixed-use environment. Thank you. That's where you see it. I didn't see where it was listed. Thank you. Okay. You had a slide that would show a rendering of how it would look for the Sunrise residents across that canal. So, they were only looking at the townhomes, excuse me. But, would they not also see the eight-story building as well? They would, yes. Go back one, please. You know, I thought that that was a little disingenuous because that view I could live with, right? But, I don't think that that's 100% realistic because I think that the eight-story building is absolutely going to be in that picture as well. Okay. So, I'm having a problem with the eight stories, and it's very dense, right? There's density, and then there's density. This is extremely dense. Yes, and this was one of my concerns, and I'm not going to beat a dead horse, but this was one of my major concerns with this whole unified flex issue. And I like, I thought that the architect did a good job. I told the applicant that, but the eight stories is hard for me. And, yes, the only apartments that I've approved have had some type of affordable housing component to them, but 10% does not excite me. I'm not going to jump up and down about 10%. I feel that they could have done at least 20. 10% is nothing when you're talking about 500 units. I'll let my other colleagues chime in, but I have some major concerns about several aspects of the plan and even some of the waivers that are being requested. That buffer in the front, I don't know if you want to take these item by item, but if I understood, you have the one that had the 35 feet, was it? No, no, no, in the front. In the front, that was the sunrise. Yeah, with the red line, and then it showed like 35 feet, I think. It's one of the zoning. It was the setback. Oh, that one. This is so close to Sunrise Boulevard. It's so close. And I don't even think when I met with the applicant, I don't know if anything changed or I didn't realize it at the time, but this is so close. Even when AT&T was there, right, you almost like didn't see it because of the setback. It was in so deep. This is right on Sunrise Boulevard. I mean, I honestly can't even imagine going in the pool, like the traffic from Sunrise that you would hear. That just wouldn't be a pleasant experience, and I don't feel like you have no privacy that people on Sunrise see you in the pool. It's just, it's very concerning. But I don't want to exhaust all the time, so I want to hear from my colleagues, but I'm sure I'll come back. So I'll follow up, and I'll directly follow up in regards to my concerns regarding the height. This was something that I also raised with the applicant, and, you know, in looking at this is waiver number six for building B-1. And specifically, our city comprehensive plan indicates she'll not exceed five stories, and this is asking for eight stories. Can you go back to, Mr. Holmes, the last slide, which is the map that I don't know if others requested, but I know I had requested it, and this was one that, the last, I believe it was the very last one that, in regards to your comments regarding Live Local. Maybe it's that one. Yes. Right. So while I very much appreciated hearing that I would not have to honor Live Local because that was a concern regarding what we would see in that radius, that we would have trouble denying or stopping in any way based on Live Local, despite the way that the waivers are set up and everything else, it still doesn't alleviate the fact that we're now approving the tallest building in that area. And, you know, the way I've always understood height in our city and density was Midtown. That's why there's a different rule for Midtown versus this location. And while Lena is six stories, and I believe Lena came before I was on council, but even knowing that Live Local would not require another eight stories within the same radius, it's still eight stories that stands out more than I think it should in that area. I appreciated all of the improvements and concessions and cost sharing, and I think the architecture was beautiful, and I understood the argument or at least the position that when you looked at the architecture, you're not really – it's hard to make out the eight stories because the way the architecture is done, but nevertheless, it's still eight stories. So, you know, that particular waiver is one that's troubling me, and I'm interested to hear from my colleagues as well. So I see that – Councilmember Fadgen. Yeah, I mean, I find it amusing that there is the line of sight from Sunrise. And maybe I'm a little sensitive to it because of the 24-story building that they had no consideration of us, that they put on our border a while ago. So I hold a grudge. I didn't really feel like the pictures from the Sunrise showing how this project would be overwhelming on the Sunrise, it seems like it's kind of massive on the one picture that we have. I wish that we would have layered it, put the building more into the center of the property, have, you know, the landscaping and the shorter buildings along Sunrise Boulevard to sort of kind of layer it so that it's not this caverous, you know, canyon that we're going to go through. You know, so, I mean, so, I don't know. I'm kind of – the placement of the eight-story building and how it will affect us who are going to see it. So – So just to – so part of our presentation that we would have – would make, and probably we're available to do it, is to discuss the whole concept of this. Because we tore up the plan from before, and that had in the middle. And Mr. Perez, I literally watched him draw it in Danny's office. The more modern design for these urban centers, not, you know, a 24-story building or anything like that, but an eight-story building kind of density going smaller as you got back because it's intended to be a community, that building acts as, in a sense, a buffer for everything that's behind it to be a little more private. Well, it's a wall of our city. Pardon? It's creating a wall along the rest of the city. But what you'll see as you're driving by first is the retail that's on the first floor of it. So the first floor – we could have basically chopped this building down and done four stories on all the middle buildings. But, again, this is kind of just a concept of trying to have lots of different types of units, different visions, different views, you know, and just an internal community working together. So that's the reason for doing this. And, as I said, I, you know, provided the information on the Live Local. And so, to me, that one is just a non-issue as far as setting that precedent. I believe that this is part of the central plantation development. It's not – you've picked this basic rectangle from, to me, from Sunrise down to 595 and from University to Pine Island where you're going to have your more intense development. This is less than what we're doing, for instance, on 595 where we did 11 stories for Stiles and we did 10 stories, I think, 9 stories for Camden. And this is still coming down, but it is a little more intense, again, rather than having just a project that kind of, I call it, looked like a, you know, regular apartment project. So the concept was to use the architecture to create the framing of the four stories, even though it was the eight stories with, again, one story actually being the retail on the first floor. You know, I can certainly have our architect kind of walk through it a little bit more, but we'd certainly hate to change that concept. I really think that concept is – I mean, that's back to the drawing board in a lot of ways to take away that height. And, look, I understand we have struggled with it internally in our discussions as far as – we were at 10, but we heard those concerns. We heard the concerns from residents. We also heard the concerns from the council when you discussed our B7Q amendment, and we heard those concerns to where you wanted to look at the project before you decided. Now, I don't know if we could rework the site and move, you know, two of the buildings up front, but then the retail gets hurt because what happens is the retail in the building is now – the eight-story building is now back in the middle of the project. Now, could we fit that into one of the three-story buildings, make it four stories? And, you know, again, I think the challenge here is trying to come up with something that's just a very unique project. And, to me, the benefits greatly outweigh any of the detriments. And if you look at most of the properties there, they're already developed. Jacarana Plaza, you and I talked, Jacarana Plaza has just been redeveloped with new tenants. Marcos Puente is already moving forward with his project, which keeps the shopping center and adds a building – apartment building behind it. And so I think in that area you're going to find – and this is your transit corridor. This is the place that at least Broward County is suggesting, and I think Plantation concurs, where they're going to have the major routes, not just the everyday routes. So you're talking about much more connection to the bus. That's why we're redoing the bus shelter. And we did commit to the Planning and Zoning Board that we would also widen all the sidewalks in the front third of our property where the retail and all the pedestrian activity would be throughout that part of the site. And, of course, we're trying to focus on the lake that's there and have that as a focus point, as you can see, with the outdoor seating. And I certainly can discuss some of the – I know Councilmember Andreu brought up some other questions for us. We're happy to do all those. I had – you know, I kind of just didn't want to keep – I know you've been here a while tonight already, so I didn't want to go through it too much. This is important, and we have time. I mean, before I might go to – back to Councilmember Andreu and then Councilmember Horland, I know I heard you mention that regarding your presentation, and was there something – you're welcome to present anything that you'd like to present prior to us continuing the questions. So if there was something that you wanted to make sure to put up and talk to us about before the questions continue. Well, I do want to have the architect come up and just describe the feel that they're trying to get with this. That was something that I thought was very effective at the Planning and Zoning Board. And then the only other thing is I would like to have an opportunity for Mr. Toledano to also speak since he came here. He's one of the owners. As we said, we actually own the property. We're not a contract purchaser, you know, looking to see if we can get something and then move on. So, Councilmember Andreu and Councilmember Horland, is that okay if we stop for a moment and – I'd like to know. Sure. Okay. Let's go ahead, please. All right. Thanks. Let's see if we – Do you have a pointer? Hi, good evening. Sherry Gutierrez with Architect Tonica. Office is located at 2900 Oak Avenue. Mr. Mayor, Council, thank you for having us this evening. Dan did a fantastic job, but I'd just like to sort of litter in a few of our intentions with what we really were looking to do when we created this sort of mini community, right? So, we've all seen some of this. So, from a site plan perspective – sorry, Dan, which one is the – for the actual – so, the intention here was to create different districts, right? So, we have the larger mid-rise building here in our southwest corner, we have our low-rise community here sort of in the middle of the property, and we have our townhome area here flanking the neighboring district. And the intention was to step down and scale. So, from an urban perspective, you know, you create and we're trying to create the vibrancy along the street. Generate activity, motion, it's an area to live, it's an area to come visit, to shop, to eat. It's a very active lifestyle. So, very intentional to create this retail district here along the street that would help energize the community and energize along the street as well. So, we've got, you know, our retail district here, we have our main entry point here with, again, another intentional moment here where this spoke, if you will, takes you to the different districts from a traffic perspective. So, we've lined it in such a way that it steps down from Sunrise to the neighboring communities. One of the things, I think, that was suggested earlier was, you know, if, hypothetically, if you took this building and put it in the center, right, one thing that was mentioned, obviously, is that there's a lot of ground floor retail in this building as well. And it puts it into the center of the street, which makes it really hard from a survivability standpoint and from an access standpoint. You also put some of these smaller-sized and smaller-scale units along the street. And, look, there's a person who wants to live in a, you know, seven-story mid-rise building, which is different than a three-story garden walk-up, which is different than somebody in a townhome. And those experiences are a little bit different. And the user, if you will, of the larger building and having the mass of it and sharing it with other people and having it located, even though it's still almost 50 feet back from Sunrise, it works in that scenario. And it also creates a buffer for the lower-rise and the townhome area as well. Let me just flip through a little bit. So, again, from Sunrise, you know, and we've taken care to break down, you know, what appears to be a large, you know, eight-story. We're talking about eight stories. But to break it down. And there is a significant scale along the ground level, which contains all of the retail. So that height is maintained all the way throughout the property for the freestanding buildings as well as the retail that's embedded inside the mid-rise component. And you see here, you know, it's very hard to read the actual levels. If someone was going to sit there and count them, sure, but call it a little tomfoolery. But, and then similarly, we've taken notion to create, you know, undulations and movement and things along the retail. So that really activates this district. And that vernacular would carry along the entire ground floor of the mid-rise building as well. And then there was a comment about if you would see the eight-story building. So the eight-story building is almost 300 feet, if not more, away from where this picture is taken. So it's very far in the back. Maybe you'd see a little hint of it peeking up. But it's from here to that building is well over 300 feet. So it's a football field away. So I'm not trying to do anything disingenuous, but it's just very far back from this vantage point, right, which is across the canal, looking all the way towards sunrise. And then you get sort of the feel of that distance, you know, from here all the way across. You barely even see the three-story volume behind the townhomes as well. And just to point, this is a lake, like a retention. It's not a pool. The pool is here, but nobody's swimming on sunrise. That would be really bad, really, really bad. I don't think anybody wants to see him in my bathing suit. So, and then this is that moment, right, that inner spoke and choice and sculpture plaza where then you go to the different districts of the property, right? So it's intended to create, you know, a living and playful community with these different areas and different districts. And that's why the project is zoned and the massings are sort of set in that fashion. So happy to answer any questions, and thank you for your time. Hold on. Mr. Laysman, did you want to continue with some further presentation before we go to back to Councilmember? I did. Questions, comments? We spent a lot of time working with the community. We had a community meeting that included, you know, representatives not only from just the circled area that spoke about, but also representatives from Lauderdale West and west of the project as part of our community meeting. We also had the opportunity to have our representative, Kathy Koch, go literally door to door around our project and talk about the project, talk about the height, talk about the benefit. Obviously, we want to talk about the benefits. And I wanted to give Kathy just an opportunity to express to you those reactions that she got from the, yes, and I think that's the old one, we have the updated one coming and spiral. So I'm going to let Kathy introduce herself. I'll hand this out while she's doing it. Well, good evening, Mayor, Council President, and Councilmembers. I'm Kathy Koch. I live at 600 West Lasolis Boulevard in Fort Lauderdale. Can you hear me? I'll lower this a little bit. When I was first contacted by BH Group and Related Group to provide the community outreach for this proposed mixed-use development in Plantation, I was excited, first, because Related Group is a longtime, well-respected name in multifamily development. BH Group, also well-respected, is partnered with Related Group on this and many other properties. And Architect Tonica, we've known for decades, designs really extraordinary buildings. So I was excited to be part of it. I did walk door to door for many months, describing Plantation City Center to each person that I met, all of the elements that Bill had said. We reviewed the flyer together. That flyer is on the inside of the booklet that you just had received. I explained what was going to be built, the amenities, the ground floor retail, everything and when it would be taking place. I explained to them about the joint venture partners and the architect, and then I asked for comments, and I asked for questions so that I had a dialogue with each person that I had met. And if they said that Plantation City Center would improve their community or would improve their business, I asked them if they would be comfortable signing a support form. And those are what you see in the book that you've received. So it includes the copies of the support forms from business owners, from local managers, and also from residents whose homes are located just north of the canal. There are only eight occupied homes, ten homes, eight occupied, and I was able to speak with four of the owners there. So you'll see the flyer at the front of the binder and then folded in the back, actually, is the same artwork that you're looking at, the logos that represent the business supporters. And those four images at the bottom are videos that some of our folks took, and we used them on social media, and I hope we'll be able to see them tonight at the end of this. So first I met with the businesses that were immediately west of the property on Pine Island Road. There are a lot of family-owned businesses in that strip. I met with the owners, many times their children as well. And everyone absolutely lit up at the thought of the prospect of hundreds of new residents that would live within walking distance of their business. They knew that it was going to make a tremendous difference. The Harrigans from Trinidad, whose son had gotten a work visa here, it encouraged his parents to move here. They had moved here. They purchased a dry-cleaning business here. And after one year, the business is doing well. They've sold their property in Trinidad. They've made a full-time commitment here. And when I visited them, they had taped the flyer to the front of their window because they were excited to tell other people about it. And just a few weeks ago when I was there, Renuka, one of the owners said, come on in the back, they put up the fence. I want you to see. I'm going to take a picture every week. So there's a lot of excitement about this project. And the Harrigans feel strongly, of course, that Plantation City Center is a positive addition to their community and also to help them grow their family business. So afterwards, I traveled west to Jacaranda Square, and every person I did meet with felt that it would be a great boost for their business, but also for Jacaranda Square. There are a lot of empty shops in Jacaranda Square. And several asked, hopefully, if it was going to look like Plantation Walk, because there they had seen kind of a bigger version of what we're doing here, which is the shops and the retail, and they created a sense of excitement. And they said they would love to have that sense of excitement where they are as well. Then I traveled east along the south side of Sunrise Boulevard, where there were more professional offices with retail. And truly, each business owner I spoke with did become a supporter. Several businesses that were closer to university at Plantation Square noted that the Lena Apartments, when they filled up, there were more customers that came into their shops. And they felt the Plantation City Center would do the same. Then I traveled west on the north side of Sunrise through Jacaranda Plaza. I was greeted enthusiastically. There were more national change there. And the local managers all thought it was great. They could not sign a support form because it needs to be done through their corporate. But two of them asked me to tell you that they really support it. And so I am. And then last I met with the homeowners that were in Sunrise just north of the canal at the north boundary of Plantation City Center because we did want to understand how they felt the development would impact them. I was able to speak with four of the eight homeowners. Those four supported the project. One didn't sign a form. But one of the homeowners was concerned, as you were talking about the size and the scope of the development, and because he's a private person and he wanted his home to continue to feel private. So we looked at the site plan, and he saw the two-story townhouses would be what would be right in his purview right across. And he complemented the architect and the thoughtfulness of the design for the residents there by having the smaller buildings there. And he signed his support form. There was one person, the wife of an attorney, who did express concern about potential increase in traffic in Sunrise Boulevard. Another was concerned that if more customers come into the plaza and the empty spaces become occupied, his rent might increase. He did not sign a support form. But there was a common thread through all of my conversations that the businesses in this part of Plantation really love their city and they love having their business here. There was an incredible amount of pride. Many feel that it's time for something that has a new vibe, that has a sense of excitement, that would generate more people, both from within and outside of Plantation, to live, to come to dinner, to visit the shops and boutiques, and that this energy is something that has been missing. So it was my pleasure to get to know many, many of your business owners and know how much they care about their business and how much they care about their city. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any questions? I think we'll go back to questions right now. So Council Member Andrea. Well, I want to thank you because the community outreach was amazing and we don't see this on many projects. So kudos to all of you for that piece of it. I thought that was incredible. And you really did put in all of the walking man hours. So those of us who have to do that in campaign know how treacherous it is. So thank you for that. If we can go back to, I think it was slide 27. Can you just, and it might be from the architect. We had, because we tried so hard to do these, the videos, we were going to at least show the video. Okay. They're short. President. You want to pick one first? And what? 5-4 is a good one. Is that representative for you? My name is Luis Lorenzo, and along with my wife, Emily Gomez, we are the owners of my- We don't see the Lorenzos. So the four visuals you see at the bottom of the sheet, or the bottom, are the four videos. These all look like audios. Do you want to just play that for two? 9-5-4 Nutrition Spot. We live in 1801. Okay. Thank you. My name is Luis Lorenzo, and along with my wife, Emily Gomez, we are the owners of 9-5-4 Nutrition Spot. We live in 1801 Northwest, 75th Avenue in Plantation, Apartment 105, zip code 33313. And we have our business is 9-5-4 Nutrition Spot right here in Plantation 2, 1820 North Banana Road. And basically, we offer choices for people to develop a healthy lifestyle. So we not only help them with their meal plans and workout plans, but also we offer wellness evaluations to be aware about their numbers on their health. And also, we offer healthy choices for breakfast and lunch. So basically, having a project like Plantation City Center next to us, because we're literally next to this project, it would be really good for more people to be aware about our services that we offer so they can take advantage of it. So always having a project like this in that space that is actually now not being used, it would be good because not only we will have more neighbors in the area, but also more business because they also have a shopping space that will bring more people to this neighborhood too, and they will be aware about what we offer. So thank you so much for this project. Thank you. So they were all unscripted, and they were really warm. They were just great people. Thank you very much. Before we move on, actually, Council Member Fadgen just quietly raised a question to me, and I'll raise it to our city attorney in regards to the quasi-judicial portion. Do we need to do anything in terms of the evidence that's being presented in terms of the video, for example? Does it need to be sent to the city so that it can become part of the record? All of the backup for the agenda is already part of the backup for the quasi-judicial. So if you're asking about items that are being shown, that would be up to the applicant or whoever is presenting the documentation to provide that to the city clerk to become part of the record. I guess what I'm asking is that was like testimony that wasn't sworn in. It wasn't testimony because it wasn't sworn. It's not testimony. So it's up to us how we consider it. So you're asking in the context of whether or not your decision is going to be supported by competent, substantial evidence. I don't believe a court would view that to be evidence to support a decision. It was a video without an opportunity for cross-examination. Okay. So it's up to us as to how we want to receive it. Absolutely. Very good. And also up to you to decide what weight to attribute it and how you want to take that under advisement. Absolutely. Thank you, City Attorney. Thank you, Council Member Fadgen. Let's have Council Member Andreu continue. Did you have some questions? Just if you could go to slide 27. I have a question about the townhomes. So the three that are in a separate building, and this might be for the architect or whoever wants to address it, where are the three? They're not there in the back. So that's, no. Are they in the eighth story? They're in the eighth story building. There's three, the three townhome units that are, it's basically, you know, a walk-up. So it's on an individual, three standing building. Obviously, they won't have, these have a garage. Those three would not have a garage. Correct. And these do. Yes. But they would, I'm trying to figure out, this must have changed since we met, and that's fine, because I don't remember it being disjointed. So the owners of these townhome units, unless this changed too, but I was told that they would have a HOA, they would have their own association for these 15 units. But then the other three units aren't even, I mean, I guess, oh, so the other three are not. They would be part of the separate association. Mr. Laysom, if you just want to come by the microphone, please. They would be part of the, there'll be a separate association for the other, the retail part. There'll be an association for the rental part, which will include those three. The rental will have an association? Well, I mean, it'll have an owner that'll be in charge, but when we sell them to them, they will get a document that gives them all the rights for the parking that you would get as any owner would get. I don't think I've ever seen that. So I'm trying to figure out, like, later on, when you have an assessment, usually, like, wouldn't assess people who are renting in an apartment, but if you had to. They will have an assessment. Those three units would. Yes. So everybody, everybody here will either have an assessment or they will be part of the apartment and, and it will be in their rent. Okay. Now, look, same thing with the, with the view from, um, sunrise. Look, we could do an additional, I call it a line of sight drawing, which instead of being the rendering that you're seeing, we can literally do a line of sight where you put the buildings exactly where they, where, where they are. They're more stick figures, and then you show a line of sight to show the, to show what we think will be that that concern is, is, is, is not, I shouldn't say not warranted, but not that, that they, that'll be so far back that your line of sight, if you're six feet tall in the back of a, about back of one of those homes, you really won't see the eight story building. I think, I think, I think there's, you all think that eight story is going to be huge, and I just don't think it will be. Um, just to give you kind of an example, um, the Amley building is 40 feet off of the road, if I remember right, 40, 42 feet off the road. That's over on Peters, um, Ellsworth, I can't remember the closest spot there, but I can provide those distances to you, because what I, I don't want to end up tonight with just something where we can't go back and we'll take a look at whatever we're, we're asked to, to do, um, whether it be to try to move those units. But we really think that we've got a, a good, good product here that you'll be proud of when you drive by it that first time. It just seems disjointed to me, but maybe it's just me. I, I, trying to figure out. We're just trying to put, we're just trying to put, put in a few more for sales. And I appreciate that because. And by the way, I put that in the presentation, but I just want to make sure that the townhomes are intended to be for sale. And I appreciate that as someone who has been advocating for ownership and not just rental. I do. It just seems, um, I, I, it's, those three just seem very disjointed. Maybe they're, those three will be less expensive because they just don't seem to be the same as the other 12. But, okay. I would think the same thing. Okay. It, it seems, and I, I was speaking to Mr. Holmes, and I know this is very unique because there aren't, a lot of, I call this, um, mixed, mixed, not just mixed, right? Because you have rental, retail, and, um, ownership. So I know that he said he was only aware of one other project in Miramar that had all three of those. So I like that it is unique and new, um, but I still can't get past the height and also only the 10%. So are, is there any room for compromise? Can we go to six stories? Can we increase the affordable piece? Like, what can we compromise on? So, so we took a look at the economics of doing the, uh, something more than the 10%. And we did, we looked at it hard because on another project, I'm still staring at that as we're working on that even today. And we can't, you just can't afford those additional units. Now, and remember, all you're effectively doing is increasing the rents of more. Now, can we go and look about putting in, I mean, some more? I mean, I know the client would certainly take a look at, at, look at that. Um, but part of the, the density is what carries the 51 units or 57 or if whatever number we were able to, to work out if we take a look at it. And we take those three townhomes out and we'll make them, we will convert them to affordables, something like that. Um, that solves maybe two problems at the same time. Although I'm interested in related group and, and BH do so much work all over the country that my guess is when I, when I go in depth and ask them, oh, here's six projects we've done with, um, an ownership product within the, um, residential building. It's not something that I've experienced either. So that I, I, I have the same surprise in a way that you do. Okay. Thank you. Council member Hoyland. Thank you, President Weinstein. Thank you, Mr. Leystrom. Um, I have some, uh, questions and I have some comments. Um, if you recall when we were looking at, um, the ordinance came before us, I was very adamant about not setting the height limit there. And I wanted to evaluate every project on its merits. And, um, I have expressed my concerns about, uh, the height in this area. You did alleviate some of those, Mr. Holm, um, because I was very concerned about live local. I do think that, um, the applicant has listened to our conversations about previous projects that were approved here, uh, that were proposed here. Uh, and I'll play devil's advocate. And I think we all need to compromise. And I think that we're getting a lot of what we asked for. Uh, we asked for a fee simple. We're getting townowns. And I do think it's a very unusual, um, configuration with the more of a village effect. And I like that. There's a lot of things that I like about it. But I, again, I share your concerns, Council Member Andreu. But I also know that the previous project that we did ask for the 20%, the 20% is a little difficult to make. And when we look at the economics of this, so what do we want to, what are the trade-offs that we're willing to accept? I'm not willing to accept a lesser quality project. I think that if we're putting something in there that is that unique, that we want to give the quality. So perhaps the trade-off is the eight stories on this particular project. Um, it doesn't lessen my discomfort. But I do appreciate what the architect did. And it's interesting that you spoke about, I mean, Arquitectonica is not only just well-known in South Florida, but worldwide. And one of the things I had put in my notes is when you look at their buildings, movement, undulation, and that's exactly what you said when you got up here today. Um, the retail is important. We have a lot of retail in that area that's struggling. So I think that, um, while I do share your concerns about the setbacks, those are some of the things I think that we need to take away. Uh, a look at when we're evaluating this project about, uh, supporting that retail and not hindering those people. So I have a couple of, uh, comments and questions, Mr. Laestrom. Uh, I'll start with the easy one, reiterate the desire to have that public art in there. I know that we talked to the applicant about that. Well, I strongly thank the, uh, impact fee, but no, I just, no. I'm confident the project will keep that commitment. Well, uh, for those who aren't aware, Mr. Perez is probably the art benefactor of all of South Florida. So he's insistent on it. I think, I think the, it's our intent to have a sculpture or artwork in the, um, median area, that, that circular area. As you come in, it'll, it'll be your focus point as you come in. Um, I'm also anticipating, because I did have the opportunity to talk to them about, you know, your, the murals as, as, uh, there's a, uh, one of the retail, if you see the southernmost retail building as, as, uh, right where the, the, I call it red hatching goes to Mr. Lethbridge's brother in the southeast corner down there. Um, that would be, I think that wall, the one that faces sunrise, would be a good spot for a, uh, mural. Uh, we've been talking about that internally. Now, we have substantially beefed that up with landscaping. Um, so I, I wouldn't want to touch it until I talked to Indelay and, and made sure that, uh, um, I did something there that, that worked for both. Um, because part of the, our, our press has been to, you know, provide the landscaping, particularly along the Sunrise Corridor. And as strongly as I feel about murals, I would prefer the landscaping stay. So, um, because I'm not going to take it away as much as open it up. Okay. Um, because my guess is, again, I haven't looked at the landscaping there, but I guess is we have a significant hedge. So we, you know, keep the, keep the trees, figure out where their height will be, and then put something, um, underneath. Okay. As to, um, Councilmember Andrea was concerned with the three townhome units, was that created to satisfy some of the desires that the council had expressed? Yes, because I would be all right with remaining with the 12. I do think it's a little convoluted, um, unless it's something that BH and related has had success with. Um, I would rather see that remain rental. And if there could be some affordability, uh, extra tune in there. Again, I just want Isaac to. Sure. Hi, Isaac. Good evening, everybody. Isaac Toledano, BH Group, $29.99, North East, 191st Street in Aventura. First of all, thank you for taking the time, meeting with us before, uh, listening to, uh, some of our ideas and vision. We want to thank staff. I think that for the last 14 months, we worked very hard to get, uh, to where we are. The fact that at the end of the day, we listened to the community. Staff, I want to say in a nice way, killed us with comments. But at the end, we have a beautiful project. And at the fact that, uh, staff recommends approval, I think, speaks for itself in addition to that. Not every day you see a project that's coming in front of the planning and zoning board and gets an anonymous approval. We got everybody to support this project. You see here a project and our vision is something that it's a true village. You can go, you live in the townhome or in the apartment or in the, uh, seven, eight-story building. And you can go down, grab a coffee, grab a bite, walk to Publix. You don't need every time to take your car and drive. And as far as the three townhomes, this was always there. We didn't change the plan for the last few months. This is the plans that we submitted to staff. And Danny and staff can confirm that. And if you guys want us to put it just for rent and not for sale, we're happy. We were trying to accommodate, uh, the concerns. A, we want to have more for sale product, by the way, in our financial model. And one of the reasons that we cannot offer more than the 10% affordable housing is in today's economy, in today's environment, between land costs, construction costs, interest rate, the numbers are very tight. It's not the margins that we used to have 10, 15 years ago. We're not pricing those townhomes at a million dollars apiece. We're trying to make it in a price that in today's world is something that's still affordable. Getting a brand new townhome, almost 2,000 square feet at half a million dollars, it's not something that, that you see every day. So I hope that I addressed, uh, some of the comments that I'm here to answer. And I hope that you guys will support this project. We're very excited. We worked very hard. We put our money where our mouth is. We closed on the property. We own it. And we're excited to start construction as soon as we can. We just applied for a demolition permit. Everybody's ready to go. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Mr. President, I have a few more, um, questions or comments. Thank you very much. Um, so I would like you to take a look at that. Again, if that was just done to appease our, uh, concerns, if it makes more sense and it creates more consistency within the project. And again, I apologize for not, to me, it was a, uh, almost a minor, minor, well, you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have seen it certainly on anything. Because, I mean, it was in the plan, but it was, to me, I was not thinking that anybody. Um, minor issues seemingly, but the bus bench. I know you're going to make improvements out there at that bus stop. Will that be a covered bus stop? Because that's an issue we're having with some of the bus. Yes. So it'll be covered. Okay, great. Um, I know you'll be making the, you've committed to the onsite and offsite improvements for utilities. Because that was one of my concerns when we had spoken. Um, I noticed the pickleball court. And how many courts are we looking at? Is it one? Is it two? Has that been planned? Who did that too, Bob? I'm going to make a comment about that. Just one? One. Okay. We love pickleball in the city. The city plantation has, I think, uh, 36 courts. We've added something, something like that. We've got a lot of courts. Um, my concern with pickleball is the sound. It's a great game. But I think, um, in creating that village effect back there, uh, the sound for the people that are living nearby would concern me. And how that would impact the residents. Uh, sure that you've talked about this internally, but I'd like you to give it another look. I would rather see with the amount of trees that are being removed that there, and you've got a great landscape designer. I looked at some of the other projects that a landscape designer has done is create more of a gathering space. Because we're creating a village there. We want people to gather. We want people to walk to the retail. Uh, but I'd like some consideration to be given to perhaps more pervious, uh, and more landscaping. Go ahead. You have a thought? We're, we're happy to reconsider if you guys wanted to make it a tennis court or whatever. But as far as, uh, pickleball, we'll be happy to engage a consultant to help us with soundproofing. Maybe we can add some landscaping, things like that. This is minor expense, and we'll be happy to accommodate everybody. We want our buyers and our tenants, we want everybody happy. I don't want to rent someone to rent a unit and then call the office a week after and says, at nine o'clock at night when my daughter wants to go to sleep and we hear this noise. This is not the intention. It's an amenity. It's supposed to be good. It's supposed to be fun. This is not something that's supposed to hurt the quality of life of our tenants. And, and while you, and you want to offer an active lifestyle, and you might be able to find a solution to it. But I want to bring that up to you because that is an issue with where we play at some of these pickleball courts in the city. No problem. Okay, thank you, Isaac. Let me see what else I have here. You know, and again, just to reiterate, because I think, again, with that village and where I'm getting with that, because I am concerned with the amount of trees that are being removed. So wherever we can put some of those back and create some more of that, we want people to come in there and feel it's an oasis, right? We want them to come off of Sunrise Boulevard, feel that they are in that village. So I think whatever we can do with landscaping, pervious places, and I know that landscaping department has had some concerns about that. That's one of the attributes of that site now, despite the graffiti that everybody sees, but is the amount of shade trees in there. So whatever we can retain, that would be very important to me. We talked about Lauderdale West, and I'm appreciative of the fact that you have listened to them. One of the concerns was with coming out of the – and I understand you're going to close off that entrance in the median. Will it be a right turn only coming out of the project? The project will have right and left turn out on Sunrise Boulevard. You won't be able to make that little left beforehand if you were coming out of our project going southbound, and then you take a left and kind of maneuver back. And that's what we want to try to block for Lauderdale West. Now, again, it doesn't completely cut it off, partly because I also have to make sure that I can let Mr. Lethbridge's traffic leave. Okay. I think that's all that I have, Mr. Laestrom. As I said, I still remain concerned about the height of the project, but I really do think that you have worked with staff and have gone back and listened to council meetings and understood the concerns that we've had here. But I really – you know, my overriding concern is this is an area that is – we have focused – said we want to focus on redevelopment in that area, and I want to get the best possible project there. And so I'm leaning towards supporting it, despite some of my misgivings about the height, understanding that we have to make compromises on the density if we're going to get the townhomes and if we're going to get the 51 affordable units, which I do appreciate you making some priority for our firefighters and first responders. So thank you, Mr. Laestrom. Thank you. Councilmember Fadgen. Thank you. Just a couple questions or statements. I'm for the ownership. I don't want to pull the three out. I think there needs to be more ownership opportunities, so I appreciate that. You know, you have the 12 and then you have the additional three. Question regarding those, I'm assuming that the association docs are going to restrict short-term rentals. Across the board for everything. Any rental, I guess, out there you don't want to compete against. Nope, that's right. Okay. What was, I'm assuming you spoke to Mr. Lethbridge. Yes, I've, I'm actually. What's his overall comments? So I've met with him three times on this, on this portion of the project. And as recently as today, I sent him a design for that entranceway to show, because he was, he's concerned, because as you're coming in off of Sunrise Boulevard and you make an immediate right turn, that right now there's, there's a barm with a bush on it that you can't really see as you're coming around that corner. So we have basically tapered that back in our plan, which is in your backup, and we've also pushed the landscaping back to, we call it like a kidney bean. It's a little bit further away from the edge to help with that. You know, I, you know, Barry's been a developer a long time. You know, I know he was unhappy with the office building that we had in there originally. You know, it is, I, I can't speak for him as to where he's at today. I think he's, you know, I'd say okay, but, you know, certainly not necessarily excited about it. Okay. I understand the compromise. Eight stories. I don't know. I'm going back and forth in my head. I think that's all I have. Thank you. So I want to circle back to, also to the, to the eight stories. When you did the presentation, the picture that still stands out in my head is the one that I had pulled out, which is view four. If you can pull up view four, please. So I appreciate, again, I'm going to say it again, is all of the concessions and improvements and the, the, the architectural work that has been put into this because it's a beautiful project. And the, the, the redevelopment and the need for the increased density. But even when you, when you look at it from, from view four, it, it does stand, it does stand out. And the question is whether you appreciate that it stands out with its height or that, or that you don't. And it's, it's not in, you know, the examples that you were giving regarding setback and regarding height are for midtown. This, even though it may be along the same, you know, if you, if you went past midtown, it's directly north of it, but it's not in, in midtown, which is why we have the comprehensive plan that limits outside of midtown. So I, I'm still troubled by this. I, I say the same thing that I said when I, when I met with you in the applicant is that, that if there were other opportunities to move the, those stories around, and I know that would change the architecture, then it, it would still give you the density you were looking for, but it wouldn't be, it wouldn't stand out like it will at, at eight stories. Um, so I, that, that still is the part that's, that's, that's, that's troubling me. Well, and, and look, certainly if, if, if, you know, I, if enough are still struggling, then, I mean, we'll certainly take a look at, um, what else we can do. I, I'm, I'm not excited about that, but I certainly don't want to leave here with a denial because then I can't come back with anything, uh, for a year. Um, we certainly can take at least a look at, at the eight, um, and, you know, spread it around. I mean, I hate, I hate raising up those three stories, but I, I mean, I, I hear what you say and, and, you know, um, we certainly can take a look at that because I, I don't want to end up with nothing improved. Uh-oh, I hear somebody, I feel somebody. Guys, I just want you please to reconsider the fact that we're all focused on eight stories, eight stories. Can someone pull the site plan on the screen for a second? This is a property that is almost 17 gross acres. If you look, almost 60% of the property is two and three stories. We were trying to make something that it's affordable because obviously if we're going to go higher on that and if we're going to start to four, uh, add another floor, now we need to start to add elevators and do a lot of things that financially will not work. I don't know, I don't know, what do you guys prefer, a project that might be going to look nicer and maybe you're not going to have three neighbors coming and objecting. The fact that we met with so many people, so many business owners, so many neighbors, the notices that we sent to hundreds and hundreds of people, I don't see hundreds and hundreds of people coming in and screaming and objecting to the project. There is a small portion of the property that it's that corner that it's getting the, the extra height going from five stories to eight stories. The rest, as you see, it's about a third of the front of the property is the one floor, one story retail building that we're currently negotiating with the tenant. And unfortunately, I cannot say the name, but it's the quality of fresh market or whole foods that they want to come in and want to do a boutique grocer. The fact that high-end restaurants wants to come in and be at this location, the fact that the majority over 70 or 75 percent of this project is one story, two story, and three stories. When we worked with staff, and I hope I'm not throwing anybody under the bus, and I apologize if I am doing it, but I have to. So staff never had a problem with the eight story. In the meetings that we had with Bernardo from Architectonica, with George Perez, nobody got a hard burn from the eight stories. They told us we came in initially with 12 stories. We met with Danny, with Michael, with the rest of the team. They said, listen, if you guys can go down to 10 stories. Then we met with the neighbors. The neighbors said, can you go down from 10 stories to eight stories? And this is exactly what we did. And the fact that planning and zoning board, all of them supported the project. Staff supported the project. I really don't think that you guys should get a hard burn on voting on a project. That small portion of it is basically providing the opportunity for more housing. The fact that we're planning this project at reasonable rental rates, people will not come in and pay $5,000 at this location to rent a two or three bedroom apartment. We're still trying to do something that will make sense in today's environment. I believe that all of us understand that we are in a housing crisis. Interest rates are still high. Construction costs are still expensive. Land cost is expensive. I wish that I was able to do this thing with 200 units, all townhomes, two stories, three stories, and everybody were happy. But I think that the room tonight speaks for itself. But at the end of the day, you guys are making the decision. We try to do everything that we can to work with staff, working with everybody to address everybody's concern. We met with you guys. We never felt at the meetings that we had with each one of you that you guys, like I said, no way, it's not going to happen. We really was trying to present the project, explain our vision, explain the idea of bringing architect, like Architectonica, that cost us millions of dollars, $2.7 million to get what you guys see. And at the end of the day, you have a project, you have developers that will get the project approved and will build it. And when there is a lot of other developers that come in getting project approved, then it stays on paper. Thank you. Councilmember Anderson. Isaac's very convincing. It's true. We don't have a lot of people who have an opposition. And like Councilmember Horland said, compromise. This is everything we've asked for. I'll reiterate some of the concerns, just so you hear from me as well. The 40 feet, like Bill said, I think Ellsworth and… Amly. Amly is Park West. I don't know what they're… But that's Peters Road, and that's a smaller road. It's, you know, not Sunrise Boulevard, so it's not… 40 feet or 42 feet does concern me a little bit, but I know it comes back to compromise. The 8 stories on that front piece, the top left of that picture, which is not orderly in the north, so I don't want to go in the direction. The top left of that picture, the pink part of the building, the 8 stories there concerns me just because it's right out on the road. But like Isaac said, and all everybody's saying, the whole back, you know, 60 or more percent plus is much lower, so you have to give a little. You have to come back somewhere else to get it. What if we step that back a little bit? I call it the top frame. You know, on the… You have the four frames as you go up. So the part out the road just… Yeah, just on the road. We'll push it back. Well, no, we're just… We're going to push it back. How? That one's okay. So, yeah, if you see the upper two stories, which is the upper… I call it the upper frame. We can step that back just so there's more depth before you get there without losing… How could you do that, architect? You can. So with roughly… I'll also call it a five-foot step back of that top grid, the last two levels. It could recess back so you'd have sort of, you know, in plain, call it roughly six stories, and then the last two floors could step back. And we could study, you know, we could do that sort of along the street side. You know, the overall height would still be the same, but it would recess back so that as you're coming from the street… I know it's kind of hard to imagine, but if you take that top volume closest to sunrise and step it back… What are you stepping it back into, though? Like, are you just going to make less square feet? Yes. It's less square feet. The building reduces by five feet. So those top two floors, you'd have to either, the entire thing would lose a foot, each unit or whatever, or the end ones are just less? It gets a little reconfigured, but yes, we could step it back on, you know, on that frontage so that from the street level, if the concern is, you know, at the street and it seems overwhelming, we could push that back. So the actual perceived height would be less, even though overall I still think it accomplishes our clients. Yep. This is what everybody sees, but they don't see the back that we all see. You know, the people that are here, they see that there's plenty in the back. That's much, completely reasonable. I think I like, I think I like the setback as a compromise. Mr. Leth, actually, back to Bill. Thank you. Bill, I did talk to Barry Lethbridge today. He brought up the retail parking. Can you go over the retail parking? Is it really going to be enough? I know overall the parking is 30% under our current code or whatever it was, 33% under our current code. Suzanne, did you, did you have a look at the, at the parking for the commercial? If, could you? Can't, can't talk from back there. They always try to hide on the, you know, and name and address. Good evening. Suzanne Danielson, one, two, seven, four, three, Northwest 13th Court in Coral Springs. And can you also tell us that you were sworn in and you understand the rules? Yes, I was sworn in. And you understand the rules. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, what we do for the parking analysis is start with the city's rates, and then we put them into a shared parking analysis, which is a methodology that's supported by ULI, the Urban Land Institute, based on their thousands of studies. And it's a time of day, it's time of day data, where we input the parking that's required by code into these time of day curves, and then we total the required or the needed parking at the end. And so, yeah, the retail is parked, and it is part of the analysis, and it's included in the shared parking analysis. And it's rooted in the city's code, the city rates. Now, we can open up parking. Mr. Lassner, if you can just come to the mic. We can open up more parking in the parking garage. You know, usually, typically the mixed-use projects I go to, the first floor, the first two floors, if you've been to Doc B's and some of the other places, have one floor. The second floor will be open to both residential and retail. We can certainly move that up to provide more availability for parking. This is kind of that balancing act like we had at Plantation Walk, which, you know, we had, at one point, we had no parking near it. Now we have some, but we lost that feature, and I don't want to lose any of the features here to put more in. But all the daytime, all those parking spaces that are along basically the front of the three-story apartments, kind of on the middle road, will be open because those folks will be, for the most part, will not be there. And then in the evening hour, that's why I was going to suggest opening up some additional floors to allow for, additional floor to maybe to allow for some commercial parking for what I believe would actually be the overload because, as Suzanne said, this plan will work as it is. Okay, so let me check my notes. Retail parking, setback to sunrise will compromise with a step back. If the group wants to, the step back. Setback. Setback becomes a step back. Correct. Got it. And then overall, only 10% moderate income. And it wasn't affordable. It was for moderate income. The 10% is tough, but I understand we're trying to get a lot done in one place, and it is a top-notch project. So those are just my wonderings to all put together before we. Thank you, Councilman Anderson. I have a, Councilman Horland, are you back up? I'm back up. I just want to make final comments. I plan on voting in favor of the project tonight, and I think, again, to not be the dead horse, we can't all get what we want, but we're getting a lot of what we want. And the townhomes, I think that's something that we were all desirous of, and we weren't sure what was going to happen. The 51 units of affordability, we know we've all attended the affordability housing town hall workshop. It costs well over $400,000 to build a unit. So I think that we need to keep that in mind, and I do not want, even though I have a little discomfort with the height of the building, I don't want to further impact the integrity of the project overall by taking off, you know, a floor and start to put it on, you know, somewhere else. I think that I really like the village effect that's been created, and I appreciate Arquitonica coming up and saying, you know, we could do a step back. I would be amenable to that, but I'm going to be voting in favor tonight. Seeing no further comments from the dais before we go to public comments, I think we'd take a motion on each one of these at a time. My suggestion is you do the public comment first, get and close the public hearing, and then take up each of the individual items. Very good, then fine with doing it that way. I already have a list of some people that requested to speak, so we'll go with Mr. Conklin first. Dennis Conklin, 4581, I've been, 6th Court, I've been sworn to understand the rules. Thank you. You're welcome. Eight stories. I heard that comment over and over again. When the presentation was being done, it mentioned that this was land that's 25 units per acre, and that worked out to 420 units, and you're looking at 92 more units. And to me, what that means is you've shrunk the size of a unit. And if I remember right, the units used to be at 600 square feet, something like that, at 25 units per acre. So if you're almost 100 units over, what does that take the units down to, 500 square feet? That's like a loss of a 10-foot square bedroom or office space or whatnot. You're really chasing your tail. As I always mention, and why I stress the encouragement for the bullion depositories, you can't catch up with the inflation rate. Nobody's wages can, and I'll leave it at that. But basically, I think what's happening is you're shrinking the units down by about 10 square feet or so, from 600 to 500. I'll yield back to time. Thank you, Mr. Conklin. Mr. Nguyen. Good evening, Joe Nguyen, 944 Northwest 92nd Terrace. I'll try to keep this quick. Just confirm that you've been sworn in. Oh, yes, I have been sworn in. I also would like to make a genuine disclosure as a member of the Sustainability Board, in case that matters. I have met and spoken with them. On that, this project essentially is money for the city and money for business owners and tenants of properties around the area, this is how you generate strong towns. Like, we come through here as representing, like, a chapter of, or a conversation of strong towns where we create communities that are more cohesive and more sustainable in the long run. This is one of the paths to that. I know everybody is caught up on the eight floors. It's a concern. The architecture of the building is extremely impressive in bringing that down. The view that everybody keeps seeing is from a view of probably a 30-story building. Nobody will be looking at it from that angle for a while because I'm betting you'll probably deny a 30-story building. So, we have to think of it from ground level. And from ground level, that isn't a place that you're going to be spending time experiencing the world around you. You'll be focusing on not crashing into somebody at the intersection coming up because it's sunrise in Pine Island. Now, obviously, making that more pedestrian-friendly will include adding more shade structures and whatnot, which will actually provide a sense of blockage to the building structure itself so you won't have that experience of that line of sight of going, oh, my, I'm in the middle of Times Square or something, which it is nothing like. It is nothing like. We need to be clear on that. Additionally, providing the ownership for the properties is really impressive. Having them included in the main building, that's fine. Some can have garages, a two-car garage in a townhome for a half a million dollars on water. I'm thinking, like, that's going to make my property less valuable, I think, because that's such a good deal. I'm like, I only have a one-car garage. So, these are, whether or not that's the final pricing, essentially everything about this project that we've seen come to the table is a really impressive compromise between the challenges of appearance and sense of place and density concerns, which aren't quite what you think they are. They won't be the bogeyman that some are so worried about. Overall, this is a project that is going to be positive for a lot of the people in that area, as well as bringing in residents that currently may not be able to afford to be here. This housing ladder will do that. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Bernardi. Lori Bernardi, 11681 Northwest 6th Street, Plantation Acres. I was sworn in and... You understand the rules. I understand the rules. Thank you. I agree with what Mr. Coughlin was saying, so I'm not going to go over that part on my paper here. About the bullion? Huh? No. Now, he was talking about how many houses there would be and the bonuses, but I'll bless everybody, too. Sorry. Because he didn't do that part. My problem is, I know we're running out of land, and I don't mind that we're doing this multi-project, but my problem is, you know, I'm the Lorax, and what I get tired of hearing is every time a project's getting done, they want to get rid of everything and put more and more cement, and they always come up with these, can we get rid of the trees, can we get rid of this, can we get rid of that, and like you saw on the slides, that they're going to the farthest point they can to Sunrise Boulevard, which is a horrible street to begin with, and asking so that they can put more buildings and, I guess, stores on the front there, and I'm just not for that. The eight stories, that's, you know, we're running out, so they want to go up, and I guess that's the limit that they can go, so that's what they're going to try to go for. I'm not in favor of the eight stories, but I understand why they're trying to do it. I don't think people are going to be happy with it, but like everything else, you kind of get used to it, and then you're used to it, and you don't see it. I think that with the study they showed, it said that there was going to be 1,246 spaces of parking they need on their table, but they're doing 833. I think 833 were the amount of places that are going to be there. Most of the homeowners have two cars, and if they have kids, God forbid, that's another three cars or four cars. There's going to be a lot more cars on sunrise. I don't know what we're going to do with that traffic, and I see my times running out. If you remember, Plantation Acres was concerned about density. We're not concerned just about the density in Plantation Acres. We're concerned about the density in our whole city. This audience out here, you guys know our names because it's basically the same people that come to the meetings all the time. A lot of people don't come. They just don't care to come and state their opinions. And I will end with, to live local in Plantation means trees, shrubs, grass, not cement. The Lorax is done. Thank you, and we appreciate you speaking. Thank you. Lizette, Ms. Hampton? Lizette Hampton, 1146 here on Northwest State Street. I have been sworn in, and I abide. To understand the rules. And I understand the rules, and I abide by the rules. All right, a couple of things. I would like to remind the council that earlier this year, the city did a survey, and what was the number one concern for the citizen, the residents of Plantation? It was density. Okay? It was density. We're going from a project that was originally approved for 400 units to 521 units. You have the opportunity right now to listen to your citizens, to your residents, and to make that choice. You do have it. And for political reasons or for whatever reasons, come on, guys. Today you're sitting, you represent the residents of Plantation. So that's one. The other thing is your city motto is Plantation where the grass is greener. Okay? This is now Plantation where concrete rules to things. And, of course, the businesses are excited. But the businesses would be equally excited if this were a five-story building with 400 units or whatever number of units. It is a great project. It's a great-looking project. I don't care very much for the colors. But you have the responsibility to abide by code. There's zillions of exceptions, zillions more that apparently were negotiated here. But come on, guys. We have a responsibility. Okay? And this is not in my community, but I am a resident of Plantation. And the same thing that I wish for in my community, I wish for my neighbors. They're in your neighbors, too. Thank you for listening. Thank you. Vicki Gelfand? It's my fractured foot, and I have to wear something in there, and it squeaks when I walk. So I will never be able to rob your house. Start the clock. Vicki Gelfand, 9381 Northwest 18th Place, Plantation. I've been sworn in. How many years have I? Oh, I did. I have been sworn in, and I understand the rules. Thank you. And will behave. Four years ago, was it, Eric, that you told me about it? How long have you been sitting there? Six years? Six years. Six years ago, I met Eric Anderson out for breakfast, and he said, you know, they're going to be building something right by your house. I said, where? You know where the old AT&T load is? I went, yeah. He says, oh, well, check it out. So how many times have I been before this council with new members, with old members, saying 8601, no. Now I'm on the Planning and Zoning Board. And yes, I voted yes. And the reason I voted yes is I was the last one to call, and I didn't want to look like an idiot. Everybody voted yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then it was Ms. Gelfand, and I said, okay, yes. However, I've spoken to Mr. Laestrom. I've spoken to Mr. Perez. I spoke to the previous owners. And what came up tonight just made me think for a moment, how tall is an eight-story building? Is that 80 feet, saying 10 feet per story? And how tall is a three-story building? That's 30 feet. Don't tell me you're not going to see it from Sunrise Boulevard, because you are. Don't tell me you're going to put murals on buildings, because these people don't go 45 miles an hour, the speed limit. They go 60 miles an hour, and they'll never see a mural. We'll be lucky that they'll see a tree. So you're talking more traffic, and you're talking things that are just not believable. I'm curious if the three-story buildings are walk-ups or if they have elevators. And I'm curious as to how, if somebody pays a half million dollars for a two-story townhome, and has six stories of renters above them. I mean, if I was going to buy somewhere, I'd want to be on the top floor. But that's not going to be. That's going to be the renters. And that, to me, is going to be a little uncomfortable. However, Mr. Goldstein told me that in Atlanta, that's the way they go. So my feeling is eight stories is a little too high, and I'm sure that I'm getting daggers in my back from the people that are with Mr. Laistrom and the crew. But I feel it's a little too high, and I feel that there could be something that could be changed and make it more amenable to those of us that live off Sunrise Boulevard, one quarter of a mile west of there. And we'll see all that traffic all the time trying to get out of my driveway, excuse me, out of my community. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Gelfand. Excuse me? One moment. Go ahead, Council Member Fadgen. I've got to be honest with you. For you to tell me that you're on that board with a voice, and you voted yes, because the response that I got from it is that Vicki voted for it, so they must have done something right. You're on the advisory board. Okay. And I take that serious. Believe me, Tim, I have been killing myself and beating myself up for the last month. Okay. Okay? And I'm being honest, and I told you exactly what happened. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Ms. Gelfand. I looked at everyone else and said yes. I said, all right, I'll say yes. Let me make a comment on this. I've made this comment to more than one appointee that you have a voice. And, you know, my appointees, I tell them, you don't have to vote the way that you think I want you to vote. I want you to vote your conscience. And my alternate stepped in for Bob, who was out once, and he ended up voting yes for something that I knew he was against. And I gave him an earful about it. I got on your phone, Mr. Anderson. Hold on, one at a time, please. But I'm just saying that it's very frustrating because the planning and zoning board is, I pay a lot of attention to it, and I try to hear the conversations and stuff. So, you know, I would ask you to make sure that you never do that again. If you don't feel that it's the best thing for this community, you should not be voting yes on something. Okay. All right. I'm sorry for, I got a little frustrated listening to you tonight. And you know I love you. Oh, that's love, boy. Well, I believe in tough love. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Max Goldstein. Max Goldstein, 1021 Northwest on 15th Avenue. I was not sworn in. So one moment, please, if we may. Yeah, you guys saw me walk in a little late. Yes. Right hand up, please. Do you swear or affirm that the evidence you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Please proceed. So I'm on the Planning and Zoning Board. I'm not representing the Planning and Zoning Board, or at least not all of its members. I do want to say that I voted for this project because I do believe that this is the best thing for the city. And I wanted to clear up a couple of issues that I'm having with this discussion. The first is this idea that height is transferable and that, you know, you can just change an 8 to 7 and move a 3 to 4. However, construction costs are not linear, right? Building code, and I don't know how familiar any of you guys are with building code, but when you step up in height at certain levels, new building code regulations kick in, and it makes that cost shoot way up. And not only the cost, it really reduces the quality of the units that you can build in that building. When you go from 3 to 4 stories, you need every unit, not only to have an elevator, you need every unit to have an access to a second staircase, which means that your building has to be built like a hotel where it's a corridor in the middle and units on each side, which means you cannot have 3 or 4 bedroom units. They have to be 1 or 2 bedroom at most, or studios. So you're really reducing the quality of the construction, and you're causing a lot of dead, unrentable space in the building that really the project will not survive if you do that. And the second is that I'm not just a member of the Planning and Zoning Board. I'm also a member of the County's Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee, the County's Complete Streets Committee, and the MPO's Citizen Advisory Committee. And one through thread in all those committees is that we want our buildings to be taller and closer to the street. Why is that? Because we want all the density to be as close as possible to bus stops, to sidewalks, to businesses. Because if you start setting buildings back 100 feet, 135 feet, people don't walk to the bus stop. But if the building is 40 feet from the street, they can walk to the bus stop. And that's how you reduce car travel. And if we don't start putting our buildings closer to the street, especially the bigger ones, we're just going to have more car traffic. And we have to be honest with ourselves. If we want to decrease car traffic on a street like Sunrise Boulevard, we need taller buildings, closer to bus stops, so that people take the bus, or at least walk to Publix or whatever other store they need to go to. And we do have the Primo plan coming forward. There's supposed to be either a bus rapid transit or a light rail line on Sunrise Boulevard. But transit needs density to work. And if we don't approve projects like these, and the density doesn't show up, and then the county has to go to the federal government and say, hey, I want to build transit on Sunrise Boulevard, the federal government is going to say, plantation says no to all the projects. Why would we give you money to build anything there? So I just want to keep in mind that we have a future here, and it requires all these things working together. We need the density to support transit, to support investment, and to support housing, of course. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Goldstein. Any further comments from the public? Seeing none, we're going to start with item 15. Does anybody wish to make a motion on item? May I read the title? Yeah, please. Thank you. Sorry, I thought we did that previously. It was a long time ago. It was a long time ago already. I forgot already. This is PP230041, public hearing, first reading of an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Plantation, Florida, repealing ordinance number 1140, which adopted the permitted conditional uses in a B7Q zoning district, described as track C and D of Jack Randa Parcel 320, providing for severability, conflicts, and an effective date. Do we have a motion for item 15? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. City Clerk? Council Member Andreu. Yes. Council Member Fadgett? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? I'll vote yes on this one. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Thank you. Item 16, City Attorney? Yes, sir. This is PP230042, public hearing, first reading of an ordinance of the City of Plantation, Florida pertaining to the subject of comprehensive planning, assigning up to 206 flexibility units and 306 affordable housing density bonus units to the following described property located in Flex Zone 75X so as to permit the construction of a total of 512 multifamily units, inclusive of up to 51 affordable housing units as provided under the Broward County Land Use Plan without amending the City comprehensive future land use plan, property lying in Section 33, Township 49, South Range 41 East, and described as track C and D, Jacaranda Parcel 320 according to the plat thereof, as recorded in plat book 115, page 16 of the public records of Broward County, Florida, together with a perpetual non-exclusive easement on and across the lands described in Exhibit B of the reciprocal easement agreement by and between Sunrise Office Associates, LTD, and Sunrise Boulevard Limited Partnership recorded on February 21st, 1985, in official records book 12339, page 267, and recorded on September 4th, 1985, in official records book 12799, page 34, both of the public records of Broward County, Florida, for the purposes therein expressed and containing 16.8 acres, more or less, located at 8601 West Sunrise Boulevard, providing findings, a savings clause, and an effective date. Thank you. Before I take a motion, I have a point of order, possibly. If in the middle of the summary, it looked like it said and described as A tracks. Do you see that? Mr. Ezra? Yeah. And I didn't hear you read the A. You said as tracks C and D. That's what it says. As tracks C and D. Yes. So in the summary that I have, I have the letter A in between. It says as A tracks. That's what the title of the ordinance on the agenda says as well. Okay. So when I heard you read it, I didn't hear the A. I just heard as tracks. So I just wanted to clarify. Maybe I just misheard it. So if the A belongs there, then so. If it, I would think that it doesn't belong there, but it's okay because if it needs to be revised, it can be revised as a Scrivener's error. It's not substantial in my opinion. That's something we could look at for a second reading. Very good. Do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Ms. Beggarro, if you can please call the roll. Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Council Member Reinstein? Yes. We're now up to item 17. Is it the attorney? Do we need to read that? There is nothing to, there is no ordinance associated with this item. Thank you. Do we have a motion for item 17? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Ms. Beggarro, please call the roll. Council Member Andrew? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? No. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. We're now up to the quasi-judicial items, item 20. And again, these are, item 20 is a resolution and 21 is a motion. And neither of these are required to be read. And 22. And 22. Sorry. Yes, sir. Do we have a motion for item 20? Motion to approve. Second. Ms. Beggarro? Council Member Fajan? Council Member Andrew? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? No. Council Member Reinstein? No. In 21, do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Ms. Beggarro, please call the roll. Council Member Andrew? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? No. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Something just occurred to me. Do we need to put in the step back and then keeping the three, well, that's already in there. Is that part of our motion? I would suggest that you do need to make that part of your motion. Which one was that on? 21. I'll amend my motion to approve. Do we just move? I'm going to move your second. Don't forget. We didn't. We did. I thought we just said 21. We did 21. We did 21. I'll take back my motion amended. Do we need to vote on, what's the parliamentary procedure on that city attorney? There was already a motion and a second and a roll call taken on the item. I would suggest that you make a motion to reconsider that item. So make a motion to reconsider and a second. And then if you vote it and then you will be a re-motion. Correct. Okay. Motion to reconsider. Second. Ms. Becker, if you can call the roll on the motion to reconsider item 21. Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. I'll restate the motion. So, can we just, just, no, no, no, I just want to discuss real quick. So to step back, I, my opinion is I want to keep the 15 for a purchase. Was there anything else that we, I think those are only two I remember that we are adding to it. I think just some of the general considerations that we asked for, you know, taking a look at the pickleball, adding landscaping where it can be. Was there anything else? Council Member Andreu? And I always say, and just pending staffs. Right, comments. Okay. So do you want me to make the motion? Yeah. I'll make the motion to approve with taking into consideration staffs' comments, which Mr. Laysom said they've already agreed to, the recommendation on the step back on that building. I'm sorry, what's the other one? I just lost the other one. Yeah, and just please take into consideration the pickleball cohort and adding more landscaping and gathering areas where we can. Is that good? Yes. Second. Thank you. Ms. Bergogel, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Fragin? Yes. Council Member Orland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? No. Council Member Reister? Yes. Item 22. Do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Ms. Bergogel, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu? Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Orland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? No. Council Member Reister? Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. If you're leaving, I just ask if you can do it quietly, please, so we can continue with the meeting. Comments by the mayor. Mayor, you're up. You guys have been reading the news. Fluoride is in the news. We've been working on it. We're going to try to keep you informed. I don't know if you want to hear from Mr. Polio tonight or not. It's pretty late about fluoride. I don't think so. I think you've produced some information. You published some information. Or if you can publish the information, it will probably serve the purpose at this point in time. You're good with that, Danny? I mean, you could come up and after they're gone, you come up and talk when the room's empty. Okay. The other thing is, on your way out, everybody, they are beautiful calendars. We had an idea this year to have employees do the photography. Every one of them did it. We picked, basically had a photo contest. We showed what we love about our city through the eyes of our employees. Michelle Casado did a great job. Photographers did a great job. Next year will be residents. Submit their photos and what they wrote about plantation. And that will be the calendar next year. So get that on your way out. That's it. Thank you very much, Mayor. Now we have board committee appointments. We're going to go through in the order that were listed on the agenda. And we will go through group number order and ask that you tell us whether or not you are appointing a new person or reappointing. Once we have gone through the entire appointment for the committee or the board, then we will entertain a motion to approve all appointments in that fashion. The only distinction is the very first one, the affordable housing advisory committee, which will also be finalized as a resolution. And then there's a separate motion for the elected official. Hopefully that made sense to everybody. So we're going to begin with council appointments, reappointments, the affordable housing advisory committee. We'll start with group one. So Councilmember Anderson. Hey, heck. So finally, Edwin Cordova. Yes. Keep keeping Edwin Cordova. Okay. Group two. Retaining Miss Almea. Group three. Retaining, reappointing Mrs. Auerbach. Group four. I'll be making Mitchell Rosenstein my appointment. And I haven't been able to get a hold of my rotating, so I'm going to hold off on that. Okay. And I will be reappointing Mr. Auerbach. I also have the rotating. And I have not been able to confirm with Mrs. Drummond whether she will accept the position continuing on. So I think the prudent thing is to hold off before confirming her in that position. Hold on. There's one more position. The mayor's. I get one, Tim. Correct. You're so quiet over there. You guys are working it out. Hey, Tim, I do want to ask because I want to make sure. Dutko is the one that you would like to appoint if he wants to be on. What's that? Mr. Dutko is the one you would like to. Yeah, I just can't get a hold of him. Yeah, he's really good because I would take him if you didn't want to take him. No, he's on. No, no. I'm trying to get a hold of him. I called him for a role. I'll keep my guy. Call Buehler. No, I just want to make sure he's on there. No, that's fine. Yeah. So motion to approve. So motion to approve all appointments has been made by Council Member Fadgen. Do we have a second? Second. All right. And Ms. Beggarro, if we can call the roll. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. And just to confirm, Ms. Beggarro, that you will also handle it as it will be finalized in a resolution format. Thank you. We have also the appointment for elected official. Mayor, would you accept to continue in that position? If nominated, I will accept. Do we have a motion? Motion to keep the mayor on the AC committee. Do we have a second? Second. Congratulations. Ms. Beggarro, if you can call the roll. Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. So if that was 3-2, could I have vetoed? We'll continue with Council appointments, reappointments to the Educational Advisory Board. Continue in order, Council Group 1. So may I make a brief comment? Anything you like. So I am going to reappoint Nelson Rose, but he does want to taper off, so I will be looking for someone. So I just want, since I can talk about it now and other times, I want you to know I do have a possibility, and I also want to hear what someone else is going to do with their seat that I might take someone. So for right now, I'll reappoint you. I'm going to stop. Council Member Andreu, I see you on my chart. Is that from something previous? I didn't want to interrupt you mid-appointment, but I just wanted to confirm with the clerk if the appointees, do the appointees need to submit a new application? They don't require to, but we have it driven in the program that it will automatically send out a notification to request that they apply. It kind of gives us an idea that they are kind of still interested. Right, but I'm assuming we all, that I just need to know if I need to tell them why to reapply. They're good after this. You're good. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Let's continue. Council Group 2. Reappointing Ms. Valenzuela. Council Group 3. Reappointing Ms. Allen. And you also have the rotating position. I am not appointing anyone yet to the rotating. Thank you. Okay. Council Group 4. I will be reappointing Michael Tosik. And I will be reappointing Greg Goldstein. Mayor? Reappointing Bart Berger. Do we have a motion? May I? Hold on one second, please. Go ahead. Because I can't do it other times. So this is what. Christina Reier, if you're not going to take her, I would appoint her. So I guess, I guess, Nelson's tapering out. So he's really, he's only just temporary until I find someone. So you're, you're. So I'm keeping the way it is. I'm just letting her know because I can do this now because of sunshine. Well, would you like to, instead of reappointing Mr. Rose, would you like to appoint Christina Reier? I think he would if it were okay with Jennifer. Yeah. I guess I would do that. Would you say? Yeah. I've already spoken to somebody. I'm just waiting for her to confirm. And. Somebody else. Someone else. Yeah. So. And so once I get that confirmation, I'll probably bring that appointment in January. Right. Which is wise. So do you mind if I, if I move her to my seat now? No. I think that's a great idea. Okay. Then I, then I'd like to amend if I may, uh, president, council president to, um, not appoint Nelson Rose and instead appoint Christina Reier for group one for my seat. Do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. City clerk, if you can please call the roll. Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Frank? Yes. Um, I see next on our list is the gateway advisory board. Yeah. Well, it's, it's not on this, on the agenda order. It's on this order, but not this order. Which one would you like? Okay. So let's follow the agenda. Thank you. Council Member Andreu. That would be my suggestion as well. Um, gateway advisory board, please. Uh, just council group one maintain, uh, retaining my same appointment. Kevin Bingham. Council group two. Uh, retaining Dean from Monte. Thank you. Council group three. Retaining Dwight Brady. Council group four. Retaining Kenneth Anson. And I have some, uh, I'm talking to someone about the rotating, so not yet. And I will retain, uh, Natasha DeWitt. And Mayor? Uh, retaining Mike Cooley. Do we have a motion? No. Motion to approve. Second. Uh, City Clerk, if you could please call the roll. Council Member Andreu. Council Member Pagin. Yes. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Einstein. Yes. Library board. Uh, council group one. Retaining Dr. Anne McClintock. Council group two. Reappointing Ms. Potske. Council group three. Reappointing Monica Ponyam. Council group four. Reappointing Judy Holland. And, um, I will be appointing, uh, John Bowman in place of Mark Mara. Mayor? Reappointing Donna, Donna Ewert. And, Mayor, it looks like you also have the rotating spot. Did anybody lose somebody they really wanted? Who had rotating last year? I did with Mark Mara. Um, I'd have to confirm whether or not. Okay. Go ahead. Say it, Monica. Monica said that everybody wanted to continue serving. Who did? Monica and her. Right. However, um, Mark Mara was my appointment and I had a conversation with him. So, now that it's, it's still available, I would like to further confirm with him. Okay. Um, I have Don Thurston's name from Council Member Andrew. Are you, um, you're not, you're nodding. We can talk about this. So, that's why I'm asking recommendations. Yeah. Uh, did, Council Member Hoyland, you're nodding? No. Is that a good call? That's a good call. Good call. I don't know her. I think that's fine. If you have somebody that. I don't know her that well. So, if that's what you guys say, I'm going to go with it. That's, that's why I'm asking. Go with it. Don Thurston. Run with it. Okay. Yes, indeed. Motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. City Clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Andrew? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. We'll move to the Midtown Advisory Board. Group 1. Retaining, uh, Barry Lethbridge. Reappointing Barry Lethbridge. Council Member Anderson, you all saw the rotating. Um, I, I don't have, I don't, I didn't talk to John Minahan. I don't have his phone number. Oh, John, um. Whose appointment was he before? I, I, I, um, he loves doing it. I talked to Barry about him and, you know, Barry's it. I thought he was, I thought he was my standard when this go around. Do I have a different one to the standard? Who's the other one? I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll do that, but I'll speak to him. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll speak to him later and if I want to change it later, I will. So I'll appoint John Minahan. Council Group 2. Retaining Drew Tyra. Group 3. Retaining Cynthia Bush. Group 4. Reappointing Owen Duke. I'll be reappointing Laura Padrino in mayor. Uh, Nina Cabral. Do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. City Clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Uh, now the nuisance abatement board, very active board that we have here in the city. Um, can I ask a question, President Reinstein? Yes. Yes, please. I don't think that this particular advisory board has met in years. They've not. I believe 2018 is the last time that they've met, but it's required by statute. Okay. All right, thank you. It's just one of those that has to be a resume board. I apologize for the sarcastic comment that it's a very active board. Um, we'll begin with group one. Uh, maintain, retaining my appointment, Andrew Jacobs. Group two. Retaining Lisa Bernstein. Um, group three, do you have an appointment? I don't. I had Kingsley, so I will look for a new, I'll look for a new appointee. Group four. Reappointing James Stage the second. And I will be appointing Jay Weintraub. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mayor? Reappointing Ilya Haber. Um. You had Ralph Sosa, that's not. What do you have on my list? I don't know. Ralph Sosa. Ralph Sosa. Yeah. Oh, okay. Ilya Haber is on the unsafe structures. All right, I've got to come back to you because Ralph Sosa's moved out of town. And it looks like there's also, Council Member Dre, you also have the rotating. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. City Clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu? I'm sorry, before we call the roll, one more question regarding this particular advisory board. Is it also, per statute, mandatory to have this many people on the board? Do we have to? No, really. I mean, because I feel horrible with the rotating, and then they never meet, and then we're going through this, it's like an exercise in futility. It's a resume. You get to put it on your resume. That's how I sold it. This is a very good one. I guess, but if it's really not required per statute to do the rotating, maybe we could at least eliminate that. Maybe somebody can get us an answer for the next meeting. Okay. Yes. This one's not a code. I can check, and we can. Okay. Why don't we take the vote, and if we need to come back. Mayor? Mayor, I do have somebody, I don't know if she'll get the votes or not, but I'm appointing Sinn Féin. For the nuisance abatement. Yes. Those are the best names. She volunteered to do it. Nuisance abatement. Okay. Mayor, one moment, please. So, there was already a motion and a second. So, since the roll call wasn't taken yet, well, does the movement accept the amendment? Yes. City Attorney, is that proper? I mean, they're already, a motion and a second was made. The mayor now wants to add an appointment. I just want to make sure we're doing it properly. But, if the maker and the person who seconded are okay with it, it would be okay with it. I just want to confirm that. But, I'm sorry. I thought the mayor was saying that I should make the motion to accept her. He doesn't. I thought the mayor was saying that he wanted to add Jen Fane instead of Ralph. No, Ralph moved. Right. Ralph moved to New York. So, I can't, yeah, he's ineligible. Right. So, did I hear this? So, I heard it correctly. The mayor wanted to add Jen Fane in. That is correct. And so, Council Member Jerry, would you accept the friendly amendment to the motion? Yes. Okay. So, your clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu. Yes. Council Member Fadden. Yes. Council Member Horland. Yes. Samerson. Yes. Council Member Lee. Yes. Parks and Rec. Council Group 1. So, I'm going to retain Darren Lee's as my primary. I'm going to retain Ruben Soto as alternate. But, for rotating, I'm going to pause for now. I need Phyllis Lynn's phone number. And, whose appointment was she before? I know she's been on a while. I just don't know her that well. She was mine before, and she will have it, and her email is, I'll send you her email to gabbylindo5 at aoril.com. Can you get it to them, April? Yes. Yeah. So, I appreciate that. You got my primary and my alternate, but not my rotating. Correct. Is there an additional Group 1 alternate rotating? Okay. So, you actually have four appointments. I missed a highlight on my highlights. The previous appointment was Roy Grimsland. I don't know who that is, either. Who was Roy Grimsland's appointee? I don't know. All right. Well, I have – there's – Did he ever come, Danny? Is he – there you go. Well, there's someone that you just forwarded us a resume to, and I happen to know her. So, I already have one lead. But, if you can give me both Phyllis and Roy's information, I'll follow up with it. Thank you. Group 2. I'm flipping. Maria Barth will be the primary, and Sandy Gracie will be the alternate. Group 3. I am reappointing Teresa Smith and Marcia Elliott as the alternate. Group 4. I'm going to flip mine. Mark Morgan – Morgan Stern is going to be the appointment, and Frank Carreras is going to be the alternate. And my Group 5, I will retain Lizette Hampton, and the alternate is Arneet Demesman. Mayor? I want to ask real quick, Eric, the one that you're considering is Robin Siff? Yes. Okay. I did not talk to her yet. I only just realized I had all these four slots to fill and saw the thing today. I like the two I have. Otherwise, I'd take her. So, I think it would be great if you took her. That's what I'm likely going to do. I just need to talk to her. I appreciate it. My nominee is reappointing Joellen Floyd, and my alternate is Peter Stiszewski. And before we take a motion, I see that the City Attorney wants to chime in. Take the motion, please, and then I'm just going to answer the question about nuisance abatement. Very good. Do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Okay. And go ahead. Yes. And we'll call the roll. Denise can have it. Council Member Anderson has it. Call the roll, please. Council Member Andre. Yes. Council Member Fajan. Yes. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Einstein. Yes. City Attorney. The answer to the question is it is not statutory. The ordinance requires seven. In light of the number of times that they meet, it would not matter as much if you did not fill all seven members. However, if they were going to meet, I would suggest that that position be filled to have an odd number. Okay. We'll move on to, was there also, Mayor, do you still have something that you're on my board? No. Okay. Planning and zoning. Group one. I'm going to make some changes here. I'm going to appoint Vicki Gelfand as my primary and Dale Speer as my alternate. Group two. I'm retaining Jay Stahl for now and Beth N. Kremsky wants to remain an alternate for the time being. And for my rotating, I am waiting to hear back. So I will appoint in January. For both the rotating and alternate rotating. Okay. Group three. I am reappointing Ariel Berger and for my alternate, Michelle Wong. And group four. I'm reappointing Robert Corman and Sean O'Brien as my alternate. I'm reappointing Joshua Freeman and my alternate is Kristen Peacock. Mayor. I'm reappointing Max Goldstein and my alternate is Mr. McIntosh. I do want to put in a word that Mr. Plass was my alternate and I would advise anybody who has an opening to consult with P and Z to ask them if he did a good job because you see Danny Holmes nodding right there that he worked for DOT and he knows his stuff. I think that was two times ago because you said that a year ago and he was actually my rotating this past time. Okay. But I concur is what little I know. Yeah. Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. City Clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Andrew. Yes. Council Member Fajan. Yes. Council Member Horland. Yes. Yes. Council Member Reincey. Yes. Sustainability and Resiliency Advisory Board. I'm routine. Group one. Retaining Dr. Kate Peach. Group two. Retaining Dr. Schroebel. Group three. Reappointing Dr. Julie Long. Group four. Reappointing Maria Oliva. And I'll be reappointing Guitel Ruiz Nicolas and Mayor. Reappointing Joe Wynn. And we had a previous had a joint appointment of Ronald Ima. Mm-hmm. Does anybody have it? I'd like to see us retain Mr. Ima and he's had 100% attendance and I think he's been a good addition to that board with his knowledge. Is there a consensus on that? Anybody have any? I concur. It looks like all of my head nods. Yes. So do we have a motion? I motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Andrea got the second. City Clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Andre. Yes. Council Member Bradgeon. Yes. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Einstein. Yes. Unsafe Structures Board. Also very active board. Only the ones in, only three needs pointed. Correct. The ones that are, if you have it in red, they are continuing. Three, four in the mayor. Correct. Right. Actually, hold on one second. Unless you want to make a change. No. I thought that Leah Haber also had a continued term. Are you saying three, four and the mayor are the ones that are up for? Man, look at yours. Group three, group four and the mayor. Group two has a vacancy. Group three is Matthew Shakin. Who needs to be re-upped if you're going to do that? Okay, I understood it correctly. So, group two, you have a vacancy. And I do not have an appointment right now. Okay. Group three, what would you like to do? I would like to re-appoint Matthew Shakin. Group four. Re-appoint Chris Hauser. And mayor. Re-appoint Leah Haber. So Leah Haber was mine for group five. You had Gene Herman. Re-appoint Gene Herman. Do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. City Clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Orland? Yes. Yes. Yes. Well done, everybody. Comments by Council Members. Council Member Fajan. Thank you. All involved at the parade. Great job. Didn't mean to call the chief about something. Someone entered the parade route driving through traffic. I don't know if we caught them down the road, but felt a little bit dangerous. Looking forward to Rock the Park on Friday, light up City Hall. Happy birthday to my mom on Friday. Happy birthday to you, Council Member Fajan. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy New Year, and see you on the flip side. Council Member Hoyland. Very briefly, just fabulous parade. I'm going to save my comments for January. Just wish everybody a happy holiday season. We hope to see you Saturday for light up City Hall. Council Member Anderson. I think you covered most of them. The parade was great. Rock the Park's light up City Hall Saturday. Caroling and Mingling Friday, December 13th. And the Plantation Boat Parade Saturday, December 14th at 7. Council Member André. The same. I wish everybody a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa. Looking forward to a safe and Happy New Year, and also a great parade, lots of fun. And South Plantation High School, the Cross Team is having a car wash fundraiser Saturday if you need a car wash. Thank you. And I will just finish with Happy Holidays and Happy New Year to everybody. We have so many exciting events and celebrations in our city. I hope to see you all at one or more of these events. This meeting is adjourned at 1041. Thank you, everyone.