We are going to go ahead and call the November 27th Public Art Advisory Committee meeting to order. Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Very well done. Thank you. First up is the approval of the minutes from the September 25th meeting. Make a motion to approve. Does it have a copy? We have a motion. I second it. I have Cindy first and Rich second. Any discussion, changes, comments? Hearing none, all in favor of approval say aye. None opposed. Thank you. Anybody have any conflicts of interest they'd like to talk about at this time? Seeing none. Comment section, anyone from the public wish to comment at this time? Then I won't read the rules. New business, Arts Fest Chalk Walk 2024. New business, that's me, Susan Cores, Office of Community Development. We are here to talk about our fifth year of participation in our county's premier arts event called Arts Fest. It is to take place next February, and of course, I thought I knew the date, but I don't. Do you know it, Naomi? Is it like the 12th? February 11th and 12th? 10th and 11th. Oh, I was very close. 10th and 11th. Nancy's here to keep me in line. So this year, we are looking to market our mission and our programs and educate the community about public art, our inventory, how to get involved in public art in the county, and our visual activity. So we'll have our usual booth. Our visual activity this year is going to be sponsoring some of our talented local artists, and we're looking to kind of zero in on schools, which is in collaboration with a grant that Martin Arts received. They received an arts and education grant, and they're using that money to explore the level of access of art in our communities and also to do some teaching, I believe. So they'll be working closely with the teachers and the students in the middle school, so they're going to be kind of the perfect partners for this activity. And we're going to have a chalk walk. I'm going to show you exactly where that's going to happen. And, of course, so there'll be squares, probably about 6 by 6, something like that, 8 by 10. I'm not exactly sure. And each school will be assigned a square, and the kids will, along with a local artist, will go ahead and create. I'm going to show you. Of course, there's voting, of course. So Arts Fest this year is going to be back in Memorial Park, or I should say next year, back in Memorial Park. You'll see that big square with lines in it. That's where the city of Stewart is going to be doing some construction or renovation, and I'm not exactly sure what that is, but Nancy might have more information. And then you'll see all of the booths that will make up Arts Fest, and you'll see here we are back in the park, and this is where we're going to do our chalk walk activity. So our booth will be somewhere around here. I don't know that we have a definite spot yet, but it'll be fairly close to where the activity is happening. So this is, again, to promote art education. Our booth will have the voting station. There will be prizes. We may need a couple of members to be judges. So if anybody is interested in being a judge, please let me know. And I'm not sure we have any other pictures. I think that's it. So our contribution or our participation will have all of the usual things that we have every year, which is the two 10 by 10 booths, 10 by 20 booth, I guess it is, with the table and the draping and the walls and the whole everything that we have every year, plus we are on all of the marketing materials for Arts Fest, and we get a banner and collaboration with Martin Arts on this activity. So that's my story. I am looking for a motion for you guys to approve that, and we're happy, Nancy and Naomi and I, to take any questions about it, if you have any. I'll move. Any questions in the meantime? No, I don't. Question. Yes. The schools that will draw on the sidewalk, will they have a theme, or is it just whatever they want to do? So we had been talking about it, and we kind of came up with no theme. There will be a little call to artists, you know, something that goes out to everybody, so they'll know. But we thought that we would not give them a theme and just let them use their creativity. So there are booths, those little white squares, actually on ocean. Yes. And then there are more within the park. Yes. Nancy, am I correct on that? Yes. Okay. Yeah, so they're always on ocean, and then we were in Gazebo Park for a few years. Right. And now we're back in Memorial Park. So it will actually be, it looks like it's probably larger. It looks like there's probably more participants because we have more space again. Do you want to tell us what City of Stewart's doing? If I knew. Do you want to tell us what you do know? Not a whole lot seeming like these days. Nancy Turrell, Executive Director of Martin Arts, for the record. As Susan mentioned, the city is theoretically going to have the cross-hatched portion of the park under construction with a new amphitheater that would be up and running by Arts Fest 2025 and the kickoff to the county's centennial. I said it right. I'm always calling it the millennial, and I know it's not the millennial. But the centennial. But that construction project hasn't started yet, and they were hoping to have it started by November 1st, so I don't really know if they're able to move it forward. The contractor, there's only one response to their bid for that construction project. So they were getting some grief from the contractor about ARPA requirements and whatever. Anyway, so they were still dealing with that. So we may or may not be under construction. This site plan could change if they're not under construction, because, like, our main stage area has moved to the far eastern edge, which is where that red tent is and the yellow seating out in front, instead of where it would normally be, which is where the cross-hatched is. This is kind of a best-case scenario site plan. There may not end up being all the booths around the lake. Those will be primarily community organizations, food vendors, activity stuff, whereas the artists will be mostly along East Ocean Boulevard. And because of safety requirements with the fire department, we wouldn't be putting booths where the chalk art, the pink line is, because we need that for a fire truck. If they had to go down East Ocean Boulevard, it would go there, and there would be nothing obstructing that. And, yeah, so it's all these fun things about the event that are sort of behind the scenes. But that's kind of what's going on there. The chopped competition is going to be on the square area in front of the memorial, where the other yellow little seats are in red tent area. That's on Saturday, and then on Sunday we are doing the first ever poetry slam on that same stage. And there will be community music activities when neither of those events are going on there. But we're adding poetry, live spoken word, to the event this year. That will be great. Yeah, absolutely. Are these about the same number of tents that you had last year, or is this more? So this is our going back to our pre-COVID booth lineup days, so it's a little bigger than it has been. We squeezed as much as we could on the other site up near the gazebo and in front of the building. But the movement of the committee, especially knowing that this renovation was happening in Memorial Park, was to let's get situated back in Memorial Park this year so that we're ready to really be ready to rock and roll in 2025 when it's all open. Thank you. Any other questions? I have a motion by Cydia. I'll second it. And a second by Rich. Any other discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. None opposed. Thank you. Next up is the fiscal year 24 capital operating and maintenance budgets. You've all been waiting for this, right? So excited. I've not had a good new fall day. So if all of you remember, which I'm sure you do, we talked about our budgets in March because we didn't do it last fall, and I wanted to get us on that fall schedule because we receive our funding October 1st every year, which is the new fiscal year, of course, in the county. So that's why we're doing it now. So we will start now doing it every November. We'll look at the new money and at the capital projects and maintenance that we're going to do or proposing to do or thinking about doing for that fiscal year. So we can get right into that. So first we can look at our capital first. So we can see. Let's see if I can help people out a little bit there. So these are the things that I was proposing. You can see right here that we have our new dollars, $30,500, which goes into our capital every year, the $5,000 that goes into maintenance, and the rest that goes into program management, administration, maintenance, all that are, sorry, events, all of that kind of thing. So here's our new money. Here's what we had. That's our carry forward from 2023. And the reason that we do have that large of a carry forward is because I moved things over that we didn't spend in 23, that we were hoping to spend in 23 and didn't. For example, the Rio Roundabout money that we had left from that project, the Pelicans that we were hoping that would be done in fiscal 23 will now be done in fiscal 24. So that moved over. We have our usual ArtsFest allocation. And here I wanted to talk about this a little bit, but let's start from the beginning, Rio Roundabout. I just want to make a couple of points about that. I know that at our last meeting, Julie Priest got up and said, you know, we're going to need to put art in two roundabouts now, or we would like to put art in two roundabouts, and we can do that with the Rio NAC because they do have a creative placemaking budget. So, you know, we can certainly make an ask to them as well to participate in that. And she brought up the point, why don't we have philanthropists who may want to donate public art or donate money to public art or do any of those things, and we should have a mechanism. And I just wanted you all to know, and for Julie to know, that it is in our ordinance and it's also in our manual where it does talk about donation and how people can do that. So it's there, so maybe what we need to do is let people know that it is. So we're going to be looking at how do we get, how might we get any philanthropists maybe in the Rio area or something like that involved in that. The other piece of that, so I just wanted, that was informational. The other piece of that is we still have the 10,500 that we can put towards that project. That project is going to be quite expensive. I think what the developer said is they were putting 150 in. What I've heard from most people is that it's going to cost closer to $300,000. Not sure how we'll get to that number and if we need to. I'll certainly go back to the developer and talk with them again. But we can allot more money to that. Not that we have to do it today. I would like to just propose that to the committee, something to think about, something we can talk about in the future. if that's something that we did want to do. Moving further down, you'll see that we do have... Can I have a question? Sure. On the Rio roundabout, this projected $300,000. Is that for the actual physical construction of the roundabout, or is that just for a pedestal and artwork? Just for artwork. Wow. $300,000 for two roundabouts. Okay. That's what some local artists have suggested. And depending, of course, you know, Cindy, it always depends on what you're going to put there. I mean, if you're going to put some big fountains there, yeah. Yeah. You wouldn't even get probably one fountain for that. But there's all these other things to think about. And so we need to shop it a little bit more, I think. And then my other question is, given the state of development down there, unless something has drastically changed in the past week, I don't necessarily know that we're going to need to allocate any money towards the roundabouts in 2024. It's going to be a minute for sure. Yeah. The reason that I bring it up is because when they start building anything, they need to do underground. So if we're going to have electric or need electric, or if we're going to need water, or if we're going to need any of those things, they're going to have to build it into the road way before the art is actually done. So that's why I'm bringing it up, because we've already started having discussions, just in case that is the situation. Well, who's responsible for building the roundabouts? They are. The developer. Correct. Okay. So none of our money would go towards construction. Right. Okay. But construction would also be the infrastructure and the power and the water if needed, whatever. Yes. So I'm just trying to look at this from a practical point of view. We're not wasting any more money that we've already wasted. How do we get this all collaborated before they start putting in roundabouts? Well, I guess that's my point. I can tell you not very easily, because we've been back and forth a little bit. We put together somewhat of a committee of folks from RIO, local artists, staff. What else did we have, Naomi? I think that was about it. Just to talk. Oh, and the developer. To talk about, well, what is it people want to see there? Are we looking at, you know, historical RIO? Do we want something new and kind of fresh? Do we want something that's just lights or something? You know, what? And, of course, you know, you come up with how many different ideas in a room. So then I started looking at one of the things that our district commissioner had thought maybe fountains would be nice, and I started looking into that. That is a lot of money, and it's a lot of maintenance. So, you know, we want to weigh that against our future costs. Right, and the developer was definitely not eager to have the water feature. No, no, he was not eager for that. So then we talked about light features, you know, possibility of that. We talked about doing call to artists and letting artists come up with what that might be. One of the things that the committee really did like was the idea of having the two of them kind of play off each other, you know, not having something totally different in each roundabout because they're further enough away but close enough, you know, that having some sort of a thematic thing going on between the two or something that complemented one to the other might be a good way to go as well. Nancy, I think you were at one of those meetings. If there's anything else you remember, you know, feel free to chime in. So we were thinking of putting together a call for artists and at least shopping that around to the committee members to say, did we get, you know, what you guys had said? You know, is it here on paper? Is this what we want to ask our artist community to come back with? You know, again, you can put out a call. You don't have to hire anyone specifically. So I lean towards that just because I think that if we're looking for creative ideas that probably not, you know, me or, you know, it's not my strong suit. So we should go out and ask the creative community, you know, what do they think and give them some parameters. So that's kind of where I come down on it. I don't know what you guys think, but I'd love to know. I agree. I think a call to artists or a collaborative luncheon or something, you know what I mean, just to get them to help us think about such things. And Nancy, again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't know that, I think it would have to be something more formal like a call because you don't, I don't think that the artists would get together and then throw out their ideas. Because, you know, I know that I probably would not do that if I were one of them. So I think it has to be something where it's a little more formalized. Okay. So whatever ideas you guys might have, I'd love to hear them. I think more rebar would be great. Mike, I can always count on you for the most creative idea. Maybe six rebars instead of four. Hey, we could afford that. 10,000, we might be getting eight rebars. That's in each one. Yeah, I was just thinking you could probably, Nancy Turrell for the record, probably do an RFQ if you didn't want to do an RFP with some conceptual ideas as sort of a slightly less formal step and then go to RFP after that. I mean, sometimes that happens. Oh. I didn't know that you did that in the art world. You can. What does the Q stand for? Qualifications. Qualifications, so, you know, and you could ask with that for some loosely sketched ideas that would be needing lots more definition and specificity, but that way you're getting some ideas on paper from the artist about what could be and can visualize it a little bit, but they're also not giving away everything either and not investing a lot of time on something that may or may not happen. And then we use those to sort of craft our call to artists. You could craft where you put the specifics of this is what we're looking for. Mm-hmm. That'd be interesting. That is. Maybe we should talk to her after the meeting. Mm-hmm. As far as the 10,500, though? I'm getting an eye exam at 520. I'm hurrying up. As far as the 10,000, though, I don't see any problem leaving it in right now, knowing full well that it's probably going to be rolled over. Yeah, no, I think I agree, Mike. I think we should definitely leave it in. I wasn't looking to actually take it out. Okay, I didn't know if you were looking for changes or not. No, I was just looking to let you guys know that that's why it's there and if you're thinking, you know, just to start thinking about possibly adding to it. But maybe we'll get some better ideas, even about the financing piece, by going through a little more of the process. Right. I have a question. So, I'm looking at engineering installation signage, which jumps up in price to $6,000. Is that just like a place? That's just our placeholder, yeah. As you can see, we haven't spent that much on that each. We haven't. Any year but the first. That's nice to have a placeholder, I guess. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And any of those things could change. You know, if you guys wanted to pare that down to $3,000 a year, we could do that. I think that we are still looking at doing some signage, but most of it is probably done. We include that now in every project that we do, so it's not like we're going back and redoing or doing new for those older pieces. The engineering can be a cost, a larger cost. Installation, yeah, depending. We can leave it like that. It doesn't hurt to. Yeah, I was thinking that maybe that maintenance number that we sort of just put in there and carry forward every year needs to be reviewed or increased just given the cost of everything has gone up. It seems like everything we try to do is more than we expect. It always is. So when we get to that, Rich, let's remember that. No, that's the next one. So if everyone's good, I'll move down to Martin Murals. Generally, each year, we've allocated $10,000 to that, and I've moved it again over because we have not yet spent it. However, we do have our Hoke Library. I'm so sorry. That should say Hoke Sound Library. I keep making that mistake. It should say Hoke Sound Library. The Hoke Library is in Jensen. Yeah. I don't see $10,000, though. I see $2,500. Okay. So generally, Martin Murals is $10,000 with the Hoke Sound Library project. And if you guys recall, they're going to do an outdoor area just like they did at Cummings in Palm City. We looked at some of those benches, and I think I might have. Did I have those? Yep. Yeah. So I did put this in just to kind of refresh your memories a little bit. We wanted to do the benches, and they also want to do a mural. They have a beautiful spot outdoors right there where the benches would go, and this is what some of those looked like. And we can decide if we want just to purchase something like this, or if we want to do something like this and have an artist make it unique to Martin County, we can decide if we want to do that, and we can talk to you, the Hoke Sound Library folks. This is another one that you can just purchase, which is adorable. I like that one. I love that. You know, so here were all kinds of things, all kinds of book benches, if you will. So the reason I put the $2,500 in is because we do $7,500 for a mural, so I wanted to take the $75 out of the $10 and put it into that project. I have talked to Jen Salas, who's the library director, and it looks like that project is going to happen in 2024, so what I did with your approval is to take the $7,500 out of that, put it into this project, and add another $12,500 for benches and cement pads and that kind of thing. It may not, that's an estimate. I don't really know exactly how much that would cost, but I figured that gave us a little bit of leeway. So that's why that is there. So we can move to maintenance, unless you guys have any other capital questions. How many benches do you think that'll get us? I think that'll get us at least two. There are plans right now. I was looking at the plans, and I actually meant to show them to you guys as well, but we can look at them next time. It accounts for two benches. That seems to be the right number for the size and the sidewalk and the whole thing, and then the big mural, and then they're also building a little gazebo, I don't think quite as large as the one in Palm City, but that will be there as well. Good? Yep. All right, let's move on to maintenance. The other way. So this is, and I think this is what you were talking about, Rich, every year we put $5,000 in for maintenance. Um, so after last year, 2023, we had that much left. That was our carryover. So we're still pretty healthy, I think. So you guys can discuss or decide if you want to change that. This year, we are expected to spend some money at Sailfish Splash, uh, not just on refreshing the murals. And this is mostly, I think, in the competition side. Is that correct, Naomi? Or are we doing, we're not doing the, it's mostly the competition side. Yeah. Um, we may have to also fix the, uh, wall a little bit as well. So that's where that's going to come from. Um, we had put in our regular maintenance from 2021 to 2024 for the, uh, bronzes. So we're going to go out and have someone go out and take a look at those three bronze statues that we have to see what they need. I thought somebody already did the House of Refuge bronze gate. It was the plaque in 2021. What we did was the signage there recently. Oh, okay. So we'll have those looked at. We may spend that money. We may not. We'll have to see what, um, comes back to us. The Manatee Gateway, that is for the teak, uh, and the metal. I thought that was finished. It is finished, but it'll be paid in 2024. Yeah. Because I've seen it. Yeah. It looks really great. And hopefully with this new, all the new materials, this will last a little bit longer. I'm looking forward to the Pelicans. I know. Can you tell me what he's made out of? Because I was telling him and he says. The Pelicans? Yeah. Stainless steel and copper. A little bit of copper, mostly stainless steel. Okay. Yeah. Uh, so then we can move on to, let's see, Hope Sound Beach. Which we already did. Oh, the Gresco sculptures. Um, I think with Atomic Carrots, that last quote that we received, I think it was like $12,000. So we're, we got another quote for $1,000 from the same gentleman, uh, who's done the metal and the benches who says for that money, he can go ahead and take the rust off of the two that we're looking, it was two that we're looking at. He can get the rust off and then use the same, um, materials that supposedly are anti-rust for a little bit longer on those sculptures so that they look nice as well. And we'd love to get it done before Arts Fest because of course everybody will be down there. And they're still there. Yes. I heard Nancy. Um, and that is all we have scheduled for maintenance in 2024. Uh, everything else still looks great. I think probably towards mid-year, we might get someone to go out and look at everything. When we do the bronzes, we might get them to look at a few of the other things that have been, uh, not looked at in a while, but so many of our pieces are covered indoors, you know, pretty safe. So we do have the few big ones that we need to do, but like we need, you know, we'll need someone to go look at the mosaics at some point, that kind of thing. So we might do that. What can we do a little tour for our board and invite some people, you know, you think they'd be used for the future? So I didn't get the first part, do a tour? Yeah. For us as a board, because we like, I mean, we talk about it all the time and we see the pictures. I like to see what's going on. I think that's a great idea. If you guys would like to do a field trip, we can do a field trip. Yeah, that would be great because that way we have an idea with all the public art we have around. And we can invite Nancy. Nancy can invite some people she think, you know. If you, if you all would like that, uh, Naomi and I would look at some dates. We could do it during a meeting maybe. Will there be food? If it's during a meeting, absolutely. I'm in. All in favor, say aye. We're going to do a potluck. Men bring the meat and the women bring the veggies. Yeah. We may want to, we may want to do it a little bit earlier than four o'clock. I don't know. Cause it's, you know, and, and we could also just pick those that, you know, maybe we don't do all 20 or all 25 or whatever we have. Maybe we pick which ones we'd really like to see, but yes, I'll, I'll take any direction on that, that you would like to give me. Should we look for? I think if you could find a day that all or most of us could agree to, it would probably be good for us to see these in person and have an idea. Okay. So I'll start checking for 2025, but no, I can certainly look for, uh, some potentials and send them out to you. So that's our maintenance, our, um, on the Gresco culture, sculptors though, we did talk about the idea of maybe seeing if there was a way to get some type of rotating art. Yes. Um, we didn't get to, yeah, we didn't get a lot of answers on that yet, Rich. So we're going to bring that back to you, um, in January, January, January. Yeah. Yeah. And then we'll, we'll need to start thinking as well about where to, um, plant our Grescos. Right. Yeah. So they can, they can go in different places in the County if we want to do that. Um, and then get some rotating, some temporary stuff in, in the gazebo area. It'll be fun. We could tell them too, right? We can. Any other questions on maintenance or on the budget as a whole? This is our little operating budget. You need a motion from us. Correct. I do. To approve this entire budget. To improve the capital and the maintenance. Yes. I'll make that motion that we approve the budget for fiscal year 24. I'll second. Got a motion by Rich. A second by Cindy. Any other questions? All in favor of approval say aye. Any opposed? None opposed. Fantastic. Thank you. I had a couple of other comments. Okay. Um, benches and bike racks. Pretend that you didn't hear this before is complete. Okay. Um, and we are, we will have something in, in either January or February. We'll have some sort of a celebration and pelicans, uh, also in January and February, they'll be installed by then. And we'll have a little opening for them as well. And that's all I have. Cool. Okay. Uh, any buddy from the public wish to make a comment at this time? Seeing public, but no comments. Any member comments? Sadia. I, I don't know if I can do this, but I want to ask, uh, one of the artists' friend, I'm sure Nancy, you know who I'm going to talk about, passed away and he was a wonderful person. And I thought maybe I can do a little more about him, if that's okay with everybody. Uh, and I'm not, I don't understand. So, a local artist passed away? Yeah, yeah, one of, one of the artists, who was a good friend of my husband and I, and, uh, and he, he's known in the community, everybody knows who he is. He passed away not long ago. And if you don't mind, if I can say something about him. Right now? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Okay. Um, you know, really Martin County lost a talented, gifted, and supportive artist in October. Leo Arbiznik, he was a photographer. I mean, he was just a nice man. He was very respected, loved by a friend. He was always involved. You know, he never say no. Um, I tell you, personally, you know, I'm, I'm more like missing a good friend. You know, as an artist, he was always there. Nancy, you know who I'm talking about? Yeah. He was such a good person. And, and fortunately, God won him more than we did. And I just wanted to give my thought and prayer to Judy, his wife. And, uh, if some artists wanted to attend, I think on 9th of December, they're going to have, at the clubhouse and Harbor and Hope Sound, they're going to have memorial for him. And Judy will love to see people there. Talk about him. Excellent. Thank you very much. And if we didn't know him now, we do. Thanks to you. You're welcome. Thank you, Sadia. Anybody want to follow that? Um, just, just a thought on the donations from, perhaps we could get a flyer together and put it at the tent at the Art Fest. Oh, that's an addition to all the other stuff that we're doing. Yeah. Just make it, you know, even if it was a form where they could, you know, gift it to us. Fill this out and we'll call you. Either a gift existing, yeah, either gift existing artwork or. Yes. If there's something they'd like to donate to it. Right. And maybe be part of any of our projects. Right. Okay. Thank you, Rich. And then for the, um, project that we approved in the previous committee for the Hope Sound project, you said there's a possibility for. Future mural. Future murals there. So the, he's interested in doing it. Is that pretty much? Oh, yeah. There, it's in their plan. Oh, that's great. It's definitely in the plan. Thank you. So, yay, finally. Yeah. I have money. Who thought that would have been difficult? Catherine, anything? I am good. Thank you, Mike. You are good. Thank you, Catherine. I'm good, too. Anybody else? Susan, Naomi, Sebastian. Then we are adjourned. Go us. All right. Thank you. Thank you all.