Good evening and welcome to the April 16, 2026 City Commission meeting. I'd like to call the meeting to order and we're going to start with our invocation and Pledge of Allegiance by our City Attorney Jen. So that's how I feel sometimes when people tell me to keep my mouth shut. So there you go. Kids make it fun. Okay we're going to go to presentations, Academies of Distinction with Honors Proclamation and I will turn that completely over to Commissioner DeGuard. Thank you Mayor. Before we get started I would like to ask all here tonight for the Academies of Distinction Proclamation to please come forward. Can't hear me? Let's put that mic a little closer. All with the Academies of Distinction with Honors Proclamation tonight please come forward. Right up here is fine. Thank you. Just that's good. Ordinarily most of the activities, proclamations and recognitions with the school district are presented by my colleague to the right. Jeff Gow is the liaison for the commission to our public schools and does a magnificent job. I was here when he was out of town and we got the call for this proclamation. So I'm kind of the stand-in at this moment for my better friend to my right. Whereas on February 10th, 2026, the Pinellas County School Board awarded the Academies of Distinction certification with honors to the Architecture, Robotics, and Construction Academy, better known by those that just want to say it quickly, ARC Academy, at Dunedin High School, recognizing the academy as one of the highest performing career academies in the Pinellas County schools. And whereas the Academies of Distinction designation is reserved for exemplary career academy programs that not only meet all state requirements but also exceed expectations under nationally recognized criteria for operational excellence, business engagement, and student outcomes. And the distinguished honors status signifies performance beyond the verified exemplary standard. And whereas the success of the ARC Academy is a direct result of strong instructional leadership and dedicated faculty, including Principal James Kiblinger, Assistant Principal Christopher Settle, and the Academy's lead educators, Laura Bodrum, Architecture, Dr. Judith Dealey, Robotics, and Brandon Simansky, Construction, whose commitment to academic rigor, industry relevance, and student achievement has positioned the academy as a model program within Pinellas County. And whereas under the leadership of Principal James Kiblinger and the Assistant Principal Christopher Settle, the ARC Academy Board was formally established in September 2023 to strengthen government governance, expand industry engagement, and meet the requirements necessary for achieving the academies of distinction designation. And whereas the ARC Academy Board includes committed education and industry partners who provide critical support through mentorship, curriculum guidance, equipment and supply assistance, on- and off-site student training opportunities, construction site tours, and industry visits, thereby enhancing students' real-world learning experiences. And whereas the City of Dunedin recognizes the collaborative efforts of the ARC Academy Board's executive leadership, Board President Larry Franklin, Vice President Architector Gina Zanni, and Vice President Construction Jim Dons, directors and members representing Pinellas County Schools, St. Petersburg College, the University of South Florida, and local businesses, whose ongoing support strengthens work force development, and prepares students for post-secondary education and careers in architecture, robotics, and construction. Now, therefore, I, Tom Dugard, by virtue of the authority vested in me from the Mayor of the City of Dunedin, Florida, and on behalf of the entire City Commission, do hereby proclaim commendations and congratulations for the Architecture, Robotic, and Construction Academy, and Dunedin High School, with special recognition to Principal James Keblinger, Assistant Principal Christopher Settle, and the Academy's dedicated teachers, Laura Bodrum, Dr. Judith Dealey, and Brenda Szymanski, for their leadership and instructional excellence, and further acknowledges the value contributions of the ARC Academy Board members and industrial partners who support the Academy's continued success. Be it further proclaimed that the City of Dunedin extends its appreciation for the ARC Academy's positive impact on students, the local workforce, and the community, and applauds its achievement of the Academies of Distinction certification with honors. At this time, I'm going to ask Larry Franklin to step forward and make sure that the proper introductions are also made. Thank you, Larry. Mr. Settle would love to be here, but he's over at the softball game right now, and I'll be heading over there. The first I'd like to do is bring up Mr. Alway. Mr. Alway, could you step over here, please? Mr. Alway is actually the father of our program that we had. He was there and was covering both construction and architecture, splitting his day. And we had Mr. Smith with our robotics that we had. And at that time, before we had our three teachers, we had 182 students that were in the program. Great program. They had great representation at the SkillsUSA. And with that, he actually had one of his students that, he had many, but one of them that took first in state and actually got 16th in the nation. And that is Ms. Bedron. Ms. Bedron, if you could step up. So Ms. Bedron, congratulations. So Ms. Bedron, when Mr. Alway retired, she interviewed for the job and it was the perfect fit to come from that program. So she took over the architecture, but we had so many students that were involved in the construction, we had to do interviews to try to find somebody in construction that would work with us. And we had Mr. Chemansky that interviewed. And we're going through the interview, got to the very end. They said, you've worked for APG. You've been in the real world. How do you work with the grades, with the discipline, attendance, our focus? He said, well, I have some help. I said, will that be? He goes, well, Ms. Bedron. I said, you know Ms. Bedron. He goes, well, I'm engaged to her. So, had no idea. And it was just, he did a great interview and found that out at the very end. So it was the perfect match there. And then Mr. Smith went to another school system. And with that, we had Dr. Dealey. Dr. Dealey, if you'd come on up here. And Dr. Dealey actually worked at Clearwater Fundamental. And was working, actually kind of started the STEM program back in 2002. Outstanding foundation there with those programs came in. And with her doctorate's degree was able to work with our robotics program. And has grown that to where when, just before we had the three of these instructors, we had 182 students in the program. This year, right now, we have 395. We went to SkillsUSA. They took, I think, 36 students to SkillsUSA. We had 15 that placed at State. And we had six that are now going on to Nationals. Out of those three, we have actually a female that's in Carpentry that we are thrilled her cabinetry. We are thrilled that we're going to have Dagny there representing us. And we also have a team with Team's Work with four that are going. And also we have Elijah Miller. Elijah, are you here? Come on up. Elijah actually went to States last year as well, in cabinetry, and wanted to do something totally different. And is doing, the program is called? Industrial motor control. Industrial motor control. And he's also in our robotics program. So it's great to have that connection bring forth. It's an outstanding program. And the students that we bring in, it's amazing because this is part of the DAP program that Mr. Hendrick has that we've had in our county be able to come from south down in St. Pete, north up to north of Tarpon to come to our school. And this year we had our Val and Sal, number one, number two in the class. And they happen to be with me here. So if we could have both us come on up here. We have Mr. Green and we have Mr. Frankie. They are both number one, number two in the class. And they're both in architecture. And that did happen a couple years back as well. So Ms. Bedron is very proud to be able to have them and having that as that pedestal. And they both went to the states competition as well. So we're thrilled to be able to have this program, the build that we have. And also the fact that as the students have gone through with 36, they have that experience of the state competition in Jacksonville and then be able to go from there up to nationals. That's going to be up in Atlanta. So they get that taste and they know how to do that that next year as well. So very excited and thank you gentlemen. And ladies. Thank you. And we'd like to thank Mr. Franklin because it's one of the longest academy board that we have, the advisory board that we've had. It's been around for probably 12 years now. And they've done a great job. And Mr. Franklin taking that over when our chair had to step down probably four years ago, five. Yep. He's done a great job. Just be in front of us. We usually. Yep. Thank you all. Congratulations. So as our liaison, Jeff, did you want to say anything? Commissioner Gall? Always willing to talk about our schools. I thought you would. But most of it's already been said between the proclamation and the comments by Mr. K. What we're doing in our schools is absolutely amazing. And so the challenge now is all that goodness that's happening on the inside. How do we share that? So I'd like to thank the commission for the opportunity to bring the students, bring administration forward so we can talk about those wonderful things. Because for all the criticisms you hear about our educational system, they're coming from people that don't even walk inside. The moment you walk inside, you see passionate teachers. You see dedicated students. Everybody is working and trying their best. And I can't be any more thrilled with what you see at Dundeen High School and all of our public schools. So thank everybody for what you do. Appreciate it. You also see Mr. Kiplinger who obviously multiplies himself over and over because he's everywhere. But no, thank you all. We really appreciate it. And congratulations again. Okay, we're going to go to our next item. This is recognition of Adam Granat in attaining scouting's highest rank of Eagle Scout and in celebration of his court of honor. And I will turn that over to Commissioner Sandbergen. Adam, why don't you step right up? Wow, you're very decorated. Congratulations. Thank you. You know, you've reached and attained something that business leaders, military leaders, and I believe even at least one president of the United States, became Eagle Scouts. You know, and I can speak for Mayor Freeney, Vice Mayor Walker, Commissioner Gao, Commissioner Dugard. You've made the entire city of Dunedin proud. And I know that gentleman because he's a friend of mine and I know how proud you've made your family. So on behalf of all of us, congratulations to reaching the status of Eagle Scout. And why don't you tell us a little bit about Adam and then I have something for you, okay? All right. Well, first of all, thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, for having me. It's an honor to be here. So, I mean, do you want to hear about my journey in Scouts? Is that what you want me to tell about myself? Where you been and where you're going? All right. Well, so I joined Scouts in Cub Scouts initially. It's a younger youth program. And then I wasn't very active in that. I also left and came back after COVID. But then I came back into Boy Scouts and this was a whole different, you know, dynamic. And instead of the adults running everything, the youth would take charge. And we had youth leaders to look up to, role models. And we got to do things for ourselves. We got to cook at camping trips and camp every single month. And that really, you know, grabbed my attention and I enjoyed it a lot. And so then I had, I got some more motivation. I went to an Eagle Scout court of honor of some older Scouts in the troop. And that really made me go and like look at that and say, I want to be an Eagle Scout as well. So, and then after that I got motivated, I went up the ranks. I got some, a couple of merit badges here and there. And I was very active in camps and also took up some leadership roles. And that's, that's also like so much of the enjoyment in Scouts to actually be a leader and have this position of responsibility and like, you know, feel that you're contributing to the troop. And helping it, helping the other Scouts also achieve, like, you know, get up in their ranks and get positions as well. And it's, it's the best feeling. So that's, that's, that's what, that's what I've been doing in Scouts. And then that's where I'm going as well. So after, I mean, I'm currently in high school. I'm doing some dual enrollment colleges at SP, like SBC, St. Pete College. So I'm on track to get my AA by this fall. Cause I'm, I've been doing dual enrollment for a few years now. And then once I do that and I graduate high school with my AA or even my AS, I plan to transfer that to a college. Uh, and then I'm going to work in, uh, some field of tech on computers is what I'm interested in. Um, either like cybersecurity, robotics, or, uh, even AI machine learning. I'm not fully certain which one yet. I'm kind of exploring my options. Uh, but I have some more time to, you know, do some general courses and, and figure it out. World needs more like you. Congratulations. I have something for you and then we'll have pictures, Mayor. Yep. Absolutely. If you want to stand up here, maybe the family wants to come too. We'll get in a picture. You're good. Three, two. Congratulations again, Adam. Got some talented young people. Gonna lead the world. We need that. So that's good. Um, okay. We're going to go to the next item, which is national library week. And I will, uh, let's see. And our library director just had her 25 year pin or whatever you call it for the city. Uh, anyway, vice mayor Walker, it will, uh, we'll take this one. Thank you, mayor. Well, this is only fitting 25 years of service and, uh, thank you for letting me do this. Thank you. National library week, 2026 proclamation. Whereas libraries spark creativity, fuel imagination, inspire lifelong learning, offering a space where individuals of all ages can find joy through exploration and discovery. Libraries serve as vibrant community hubs, connecting people with knowledge, technology, and resources while fostering civic engagement, critical thinking, and cultural enrichment. Libraries provide free and equitable access to books, digital tools, and innovative programming, ensuring that all individuals, regardless of background, have the support they need to learn, connect, and thrive. Libraries partner with schools, businesses, and organizations to maximize resources, increase efficiency, and expand access to essential services, strengthening the entire community. Libraries empower job seekers, entrepreneurs, and lifelong learners by providing access to resources, training, and opportunities that support career growth and economic success. Libraries nurture young minds through story times, STEM programs, and literacy initiatives, fostering curiosity and a love of learning that lasts a lifetime. Dedicated librarians and library workers provide welcoming spaces that inspire discovery, collaboration, and creativity for all. Libraries, librarians, and library workers across the country are joining together to celebrate National Library Week under the theme, Find Your Joy. Now, therefore, I, Robert James Walker, by authority vested in me by the mayor of the city of Dunedin, proclaim April 19th through the 25th, 2026 as National Library Week. During this week, I encourage all residents to visit our great library in the great city of Dunedin, explore its resources, and celebrate all the ways that library helps our community find joy. Thank you. I know usually when I come to these meetings, I have our friends at the library join us, but I do have other friends. So, tonight I have our library advisory committee. I have our chair. So I'd like to call up Jean Parron, Barbara Ferry, and Ross Stonefield from our library advisory committee. They are a big part of National Library Week this year. this year. So Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, thank you for having us and welcoming us and recognizing National Library Week. We're excited to share that we're having New York Times best selling author Sarah Penner during the week on Thursday, April 23rd as part of the celebration. But we're also launching the Branch Library Survey, which will be open for the next two weeks through April 30th. And this survey will be available online and print copies can be found both at the Main Library and the Branch Library. So I want to extend a thank you, a sincere thank you to our Library Advisory Committee. They have worked so hard on this survey. I feel like we've been working on it for like a year maybe. They have carefully reviewed every question. If you need someone to review something, Barbara, she's a retired librarian. So she's done a few surveys. They've analyzed statistics. I bring them updates at every meeting on everything you can think of. We even toured the Branch Library and the Community Center to ensure that they could capture a complete picture of what our needs are and what the Branch Library provides. So their dedication has been invaluable. So I know they are so excited for this survey. So all of you, all of you in the audience, any watching, complete this survey. We want to be bombarded with information. We are also incredibly fortunate to have the Friends of the Library and the Foundation. I don't want them to think I'm picking new best friends. And they continually support our mission and invest their time and energy into enhancing our library. And of course, I want to recognize our amazing library staff, their commitment to providing exceptional services evident. And it was just reflected in the recent citizen survey where satisfaction with city amenities ranked the library's number one, with 83.2% of respondents reporting they were very satisfied or somewhat satisfied. And Barbara went through that entire survey as well and the results. So I know my numbers are right. So that achievement definitely belongs to our staff. So National Library Week is an important reminder of the vital role our library plays in the community community. And all the people, all the volunteers, all the staff, all of our library stakeholders who work every day, especially our library advisory committee, to make sure it's welcoming and essential resource. So thank you to our citizens and you, the commission, for supporting our library. I don't know if any of you wanted to see it. Picture. Okay, let's do a picture. Don't tell. Yeah. We love our library. Okay, we're going to move on to citizen input. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak on a topic that is not on the agenda? If so, please come forward. Hi, David. So name and address for the record in three minutes. Hi, good evening. David Ballard Geddes Jr. I live on Georgia Avenue in Palm Harbor. Based on Pinellas County Resolution 95286, Section 4C-2, stating absolute bill of sale, full warranties of title and release of lien, the county has been sold to the water district in a 30-year transfer of title recognized in various statutes. Here I have on this poster board. The county, the city, and the municipal governments are intending to shapeshift from their fortnighted statesmanship into a politically laundered water jurisdiction racketeered under the 14th Amendment. For example, Dunedin would eventually be rebranding itself as the Curlew Creek Watershed Jurisdiction, formerly known as the City of Dunedin, seen as a long purple train of usurpations in Federalist Paper 47, which kind of reminds me of, you know, Prince, formerly known as the Musician Prince. I think he might have been making a little mockery politically there. So exactly how does all of this recalibrate on our annual ad valorem property tax? I brought a copy of my property tax from the county here. This is the county portion here on the top, and this is the non-ad valorem portion here on the bottom of the bill. Based on the sale of the county to the district, to the non-ad valorem portion here, the ad valorem portion up above now belongs to the non-ad valorem portion below as sold based on resolution I just stated before us. The county non-ad valorem belongs to a body of government which is unduly elected. The water district, they're appointed. They're not duly elected. So in a sense, we have an unelected form of taxation taking shape here. The non-ad valorem, this portion of the charge, is a levy. It's not based on a property tax lien, such as we have up above here. And the charges down here are not based on the millage rate, whereas these charges here, based on statute 197.3632, excuse me, the non-ad valorem billing portion here is not based on the millage rate, based on statute 197.3632. So the billing practice here is incongruent with itself. It's non-uniform. And I think that's where we're having to hang up with all this property tax issue in Tallahassee, is with this gerrymandering, if you will. Thank you. Thank you, David. Okay, is there anyone else in the audience who wishes to come forward and speak on an item that is not on the agenda? Okay, seeing no one, I will close citizen input. I'm going to go to consent agenda and walk through these. So approval of the minutes for the March 3rd, 2026 workshop. 2B is customer contribution payment for two new 2,500 KVA transformers and electrical point of service connections for the wastewater treatment plant to Duke Energy Corporation in the amount of $63,511.58. 2C is 2026 Cinco de Mayo celebration revocable license agreement. 2D is Leland Chase Outdoor Gallery Public Art Project, phase three located at the wastewater treatment plant. The arts and culture advisory committee recommend artwork selection, artist stipend, and installation by third party speed pro imaging printing in an amount not to exceed $3,000. 2E, athletic field fence replacement in the amount of $200,324 to Cardinal Fence LLC. Is there any items to be polled? Mayor, 2E, a couple questions and clarification. Okay, so we're going to have 2E. Anyone else? And I would like to poll 2C, Cinco de Mayo. Okay, so let's go with 2A, 2B, 2D. Approval. Can I have a motion for that? So moved. Second. Okay. Okay. Motion and a second. Any public input on those items? Anyone wish to come forward on those items? Seeing no one, I will close public input. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Okay. Now we'll go to the polled items. First one is Cinco de Mayo, 2026. One comment. You don't even have to come up, Jory. Very happy they're having Cinco de Mayo celebration on Cinco de Mayo. Okay? Yeah. Right. So, yes. You know, let's keep pushing that for other events. Okay. That was my only comment. So, anyone else have a question on Cinco de Mayo? When is it? Cinco de Mayo. We all know. It's the day after the 4th be with you. Okay. Any public comment on that? Anyone in the audience wish to come forward to speak on Cinco de Mayo, which will be on May 5th? Okay. Seeing no one, I'll close public input. Can I have a motion? So moved. Second. Okay. I think I got Mr. Sandbergen and Degard and then all in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Okay. We'll go to 2E, Athletic Field Fence Replacement in the amount of $200,324 to Cardinal Fence, LLC. And did you want to have full presentation or just some questions? No, I do not need a full presentation. I just had a couple quick questions. Would you like me to start then? Since if you're not going to? Okay. Yeah. Please. Tony, are you, one of you guys, I noticed one of those bids was $81,000 and we took one that's a little bit higher. What was, what's the explanation of that? Good evening, Commission. Tony Mulkey, Parks and Recreation Director. The bid tabulation on that was, they submitted their bid as itemized per field and it was recorded on the tabulation. The actual amount is that it would be $252,835. So it was just how it was portrayed in how they submitted their bid and was registered in the tabulation. Okay. I'm familiar with those fields. That will be the entire fence, including the front and the back of the dugouts, as well as the backstop fence, which is considerably higher. Joe McLemore, Park Superintendent. Yes, it'll be complete renovation. We'll make fields one, two, and three look like field four. Okay, good. How about like the safety rail along the top? Will we replace those at the same time? Correct. Good. And that's all. I think I, did I see that it was going to be some kind of a black vinyl rather than that old chain link? Correct. Field four, we switched over to the black vinyl and it's projected to have a longer lifespan. Good. So we want to make the complex more uniform and obviously the longer lifespan. Oh, that's beautiful. I appreciate everything you do. That's all I had, Mayor. Anyone else have any questions? Okay. So we'll kind of keep moving and I will ask for, um, uh, make her the motion. I'll do the motion first. Yeah. So moved. Second. Okay. Is there anyone in the audience that wishes to comment on this item? Should be the time to come forward. Seeing no one, I will close public input and all in favor. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Okay. We'll go to our action items and our action items. The first two are, uh, readings, uh, and resolution having to do with historic preservation. And I would ask Jennifer to maybe give us an update before we actually go into those since the recommendation is to table both of them. Absolutely. Thank you, Mayor, Vice, Mayor, and Commissioners. So I just want to, to bring you up to date on exactly where we are with this ordinance and this resolution, since this has been going on for a while. So, um, the, as you know, we transmitted a revised ordinance to, uh, the state, the, um, uh, Division of Historic Resources and the National Park Service back in January. Uh, that ordinance was very similar to the ordinance that has been previously adopted. I believe it was 2018 by the city commission. That ordinance did not provide for, um, the, the, um, implementation of districts. So we took out the district, whether it's city manager initiated or initiated by a hundred percent of the property orders or whatever, the entire district came out of that ordinance. And as I said, there was, it was very similar to the one that was already adopted. It was, um, we have some, some clarifications within it, uh, namely that it, it is, um, right now an entire site or entire parcels declared, uh, historic when the building is. So we wanted to, to bifurcate that, right. And anything else you want to know, it was just landmark, landmark site, and then also providing for the revisions with regard to the certificate of appropriateness. Right. So we've had, in the meantime, we've had a couple of government shutdowns. Um, as you know, uh, apparently the National Park Service is also become, has become a grant, you know, uh, review agency. There aren't many employees left apparently in the federal National Park Service. Uh, so they are, since we're a certified local government and that's a, uh, a federally funded, uh, program, we needed to make sure that the federal government was okay with those changes. Even those, as I said, it's very similar to our existing ordinance. We didn't hear anything, um, in January. And we have actually attached to the agenda item, the number of times that we sent emails asking, where are we, where are we, where are we? Uh, because I know that the community has been waiting, uh, to, to, to hear, you know, exactly where we're going with this. So finally, we, uh, convened a, uh, a team's call, uh, last Friday with the state. Um, and we articulated to them that this is a very similar ordinance to the one that we have adopted, that we transmitted last January, that we don't quite understand why it is taking so long. They, I'm just going to be very clear and very, very, um, candid. They did not realize that we had taken out the districts, the 100% owner approved district, which is really the sticking point. So once we, we articulated that to them more clearly, if you will, even though we had before, um, they said that they would issue notice to us saying, you may proceed, um, which they said that they would give to us on Friday. They didn't, we got it, we did get it Monday afternoon. But in, in meeting with staff and our city attorney, uh, we all felt, felt that we need a reset on this, that I don't want to set out a supplement saying, no, it's not tabled anymore. We're going, going to adopt it on Thursday night. I think we need to take a step back. And I think Francis Sharp, Leon Sharp actually had the best phrase is clear the air and, uh, and proceed slowly. We're not rushing to anything so that those that spoke against, uh, the ordinance and the districts and so on and so forth, so forth are fully aware of exactly what we're doing. Uh, so what we'd like to do is, uh, send it back to the Historic Preservation Advisory Committee for one last quick review. Uh, and that would be May 14th. Uh, and this is a tentative timeframe. And then on June 10th, we would bring it back before the local planning agency and then advertise for first reading on, uh, July 9th and then second reading on August 6th. So as I said, this is a reset. It's a step back, clear the air, and then proceed very slowly. The ordinance really does address the public input, um, in its entirety actually. And, um, and, and staff is, is recommending obviously on first reading then that we approve the ordinance. Again, it's very similar with some changes to our existing ordinance. Yeah. So again, I guess my words were, we are not considering the districts anymore. That is off the table. That's correct. Right. And, uh, and so what we're really looking at now is something that's streamlining the certificate of appropriateness to make it easier on people that have voluntarily, uh, decided to. That's correct. And that's contained within, within the ordinance. And since the two are in tandem and related to each other, obviously, we're recommending that you table both and we'll bring both back. Great. Okay. So, um, I am going to 3A is first reading of ordinance 25-02, amending chapter 111 of the land development code historic preservation. Staff is requesting that ordinance 25-02 be tabled until staff receive comments from the floor department of state division of historic resources and the national park service. And further discussions have been concluded. Um, and then this item would be re-advertised. So I would need a motion. So moved. Second. Okay. Okay. And all in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passed unanimously. Okay. And then, uh, this is just the, the co, you know, tied to the same one, 3B resolution 25-13, amending the certificate of appropriateness matrix as required by chapter 111, the land development code. Staff is requesting that resolution 25-13 be tabled as this item is complimentary to ordinance 25-02. And I need a motion. So moved. Second. Okay. Um, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passed unanimously. Okay. Um, so we'll go to the next item, which is 3C proposed agenda for the May 7th, 2026 commission meeting. Are there any additions or deletions? Yes, ma'am. Mayor, I've received a notice that we're going to be adding an action item. Hold on one second. Um, settlement agreement. Settlement agreement. Okay. I take it. That's from our city attorney. Yeah. It's, uh, actually through. Okay. All right. Okay. Uh, any other, is that it? Remember anybody else have anything to add, take away, comment? Okay. So based on that, including the settlement agreement or, or not, you know, the approval or denial of the settlement, um, I need a motion to approve May 7th agenda. So moved. Second. Okay. I have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passed unanimously. Okay. Informational items. Uh, for our information, we have our commission workshop. Sorry, I'm in the wrong place. We have our workshop items and that is board of finance update. Okay. So that's really, other than these proclamations, that's all. That is it. Yes. Okay. Which you never know. Right. That's a little ways away. Okay. So, uh, we don't have to approve that. So that's just so any additions or changes, that's it. Okay. Okay. So we'll move on. Um, so yeah, I can, I can learn, Jen. Don't have to prove it. Got it. Okay. Commission discussion and comments. Uh, and I know that I have a couple at the end, but, um, uh, so starting with, uh, vice mayor. Thank you, mayor. Uh, so the, um, we have a big event for the Dunedin History Museum coming up this weekend, uh, Sunday, it'll be the Citrus Gala and, uh, the theme will be history makers. And, uh, we have the very, very appropriate and proclaimed people that will be represented as part of that group. Um, unfortunately, uh, Peter K will not be able to attend, but, uh, we did go down and visit him today, uh, down rehab and, uh, presented him with his award and made a video of it. And so he will be there in spirit. Uh, Peter is doing very, very well. It looks great. And, uh, looking forward to having him back on the, on the, on the roster here fairly soon. So anyway, he gave, uh, you wanted me to pass his best wishes to the commission here. So. That's great. Commissioner Sandbergen. The, uh, this week, uh, this coming week, uh, I'm going to, I will be attending a meeting with the Tampa Bay regional planning on her, uh, the Phoenix project or project Phoenix, which is a illustration and a day of planning for a cat five hurricane hitting Pinellas. They would actually come ashore around Indian rocks beach. It'll show the, uh, the damage and how the, the city as well as the residents and business will respond. And after reading it today, I don't think I'll sleep for a few nights, but it's bad. And, uh, also we will be getting an award from the Tampa Bay regional. Uh, I'm not, I'm not sure if I'm, if I can go, if maybe stealing your thunder and it's for the, uh, the roundabouts. And I think I love this sentence. It's an innovative infrastructure project that delivers multiple public benefits. So I think we should all go ahead and pat ourselves on the back for, for that. So I thought that was pretty cool. Yep. That's that's all I have, mayor. Oh, that was great. Uh, okay. Uh, commissioner Gow. Thank you, mayor. Uh, I hope everybody enjoyed themselves Saturday. It was a wonder, wonderful, wonderful day. Uh, mayor, we did miss you on Friday night as well, but I understood, but it was, uh, you know, that parade on Friday night, it really does. It never ceases to amaze me because we line up on Loudoun and you really have no clue what the crowds are going to be like. And then you turn from Loudoun on the main street and it's just the number of people that are there. And it is all community. It's all people from our neighborhoods. And so it's just, it's speaks volumes on, on just Dunedin that that's who Dunedin is. If you want to look, that's what it's about. So Friday night was wonderful, spectacular, uh, Saturday, uh, don't have any details on the exact numbers, but the weather was absolutely beautiful and stunning and, and all the students, all the bands, all the individual competitors, they all did great. So it was just a wonderful day all around. Um, and so, uh, next up is, uh, the high school putting on a musical Bye Bye Birdie, which was last performed in 1977 at the high school. And I was part of that. So I'm excited whether they like it or not, it's going to be one giant sing along for me. So, uh, don't give me a microphone, but that is April 23rd and April 24th at 7 PM. And then on April 25th, it is 1 PM and 7 PM. And so I've got some flyers that I'll distribute to you all. I hope you can try and give a shout out to anybody in the neighborhood, anybody that's a member of a faith community and share it with your congregation. And let's see if we can, uh, fill the seats because it's, those students are just amazing as, as we've seen earlier tonight. So that's all that I have, mayor. Thank you. You went to community chorus too, didn't you? I did go to community, you know, and that was a really nice event. Thank you for that. I'll sign the music like my favorite music, but I know you went and I, you know, and that is, and thank you because that's just, you've got members of our own community that have a talent and they're sharing it with other members of the community. It is just, it's just wonderful. It just, it's really nice. Thank you. Uh, commissioner DeGuard. Thank you, mayor. Um, it's always great to go last on the announcements. Um, but there is something that I think needs to be brought to the attention of anyone watching and anyone listening is that this last week on the 14th, we had a property tax information forum here and we'll have another one on the 22nd. And what that forum is about is to create a greater understanding of the value proposition of what this city provides its citizens. And by the way, what property taxes in general provide every community in this state, um, our safety, our response time for fire and police, all of those things are on the table. If we do not continue property taxes as we know them today. And so I want to encourage people to go on our website and look up the property tax form and view it and learn a little bit more of why your investment is important. Thank you, mayor. And, uh, before I kind of take the oxygen out of the room, um, you, did you have one more quick one? Yes. I, so I was reminded during, uh, commissioner Gow's, um, discussing with youth and the, uh, the various events that were going on. Um, this was about two weeks ago, but, uh, I just afforded the opportunity to go talk to, um, uh, Dunedin middle school and specifically induct the incoming class for the national junior high, uh, honor society. And, uh, and in keeping with our presentations tonight and, uh, the just extremely bright and inquisitive kids that I got to, uh, got to address as, as part of their induction, you know, I, I, I look around us and you know what, we're, we, we're, we're raising a pretty darn great next generation. I, you know, it's just, it's exciting to watch. It's exciting to be, have a front row seat to this. And anyway, I just want to say that, you know, when all the things I've done up here, that was by far one of the, one of the most best. So thank you. Thank you. Um, well, I have a couple things and I'm going to start with the reason I wasn't, uh, there Friday night. And I always miss that because it's one of my favorite things is because I was at the Fenway hotel on Thursday and Friday night. And this is what we had for the, one of the things we get as a giveaway during the reception. It says Dunedin is for lovers, Kristen and Ryan. It was their, their wedding. So you got to understand everybody on the Dantzler had one of these. Does that sound good? But my real shout out on this is because, yeah, I officiated. Yes. And, and, and thank goodness I didn't mess it up. But, um, but actually, um, I did kind of want to give a shout out though to Fenway because I had not been there for any wedding celebration in the past. And of course ours was on the front lawn and then the, the, um, reception was out by the pool under a tent. And then they were having one on Saturday night, which was going to be on a, under a tent in the front lawn. And, and of course, as we were moving around, uh, doing rehearsal lunches downtown Dunedin. And of course they had a pub crawl on Saturday, which I had to go to after the, after the, uh, uh, Highland games. Um, there were other wedding parties, you know, going to different other places and, and, you know, basically promoting our downtown and, and enjoying our downtown. And ironically, um, I think it was after one of the events, I was going up the elevator and somebody was headed up to the rooftop bar. Um, and I ended up meeting them. They're new Dunedin residents and just live down the road here. And they're getting married at Crown and Bull this weekend. So they invited me. So, um, um, but, but it really, um, it just peaked the, the whole thing for me about the importance of weddings. And, and of course, it's not just here cause we have at hammock park, we have St. Andrew's chapel. We have a lot of multiple places that do these weddings, but I, um, yeah, we're just kind of a favorite place for that. And it just kind of, uh, woke me up to that. And I did want to say like, what a great job Fenway does. This is the booklet in the hotel rooms. And on the back, of course, is our golf course. And within it is, they even kind of outline what time you should go where and what breweries to go to. And, and it, it is a great booklet of history of Dunedin and things to do. So, uh, just, just a shout out. I mean, it was, it was a great weekend and it just goes to show all the pieces of our community that make us special. So I wanted to share that. Um, so, um, before I go to the golf course one, um, Jennifer, I know that we all got, um, the packet and letter from the hotel, the one hotel in town, um, one of our hotels, uh, specifically about one of the, um, outdoor venues along the trail. And, um, I think you guys have maybe been dealing with that. I know that I went by that exact place during some of the festivities that I was at this past weekend. And it was ironic because I thought, wow, that's loud. I wonder if this is bothering anybody. So, um, I just want to nip that in the bud if it is a thing. And based on some of the comments from the hotel guests, it's a thing. Um, and I don't know, you know, I wanted to get a comment from you. Yeah, certainly. Thank you, Mayor. So, um, and actually, uh, I don't remember, I think it was about six or seven months ago, maybe longer. Um, I think the, one of the employees or the general manager was here and, um, complaining about the noise. And I did reach out to her afterwards and spoke to her and wanted to meet and she was not able to meet or anyway, I couldn't, I couldn't get her in here. But anyway, so, um, and I know the sheriff's office, uh, has been responding when called. I didn't receive the packet, Mayor. I haven't seen it. So, um, I would certainly, uh, uh, meet with her and talk to the sheriff's office and, and certainly the, uh, the source of the noise and try to, to work out, uh, um, some sort of agreement or compromise here to, to take care of this. It's, at least for me, it's the first serious concern that was really presented pretty comprehensively. And I know that we did send it over to you just recently. You probably haven't had a chance to look at it. Um, uh, but it's the first serious one I've seen since we had our noise ordinance. And I, I just, I want to jump right on it. Yeah, we will do so. Right. Okay. Um, so I, I've really got two, I can make one shorter. I'll leave it for last, which is about, um, the MPO, you know, Ford Pinellas and the MPO merger. And we talked a little bit about that, but, um, but first I wanted, I thought we should maybe talk about the golf course advisory selection process, because I think we're going to do it. What on May 21st and everybody's got their packets of stuff. And I think there's what, uh, Michelle, like 40, 42. I haven't really had a chance to really look at them yet, but I think it's like kind of split between members and non-members, if I understand something like that. So, um, I think Jennifer, you've gone through them already. Um, so, um, but you know, when we talked about the process, we were talking about, Oh, maybe like, uh, ordinance review, we'd all pick one and then we'd fill the rest of them. And I've kind of put down what I was kind of a secondary thought about maybe something that might be better. Um, I think the thought process was if we all pick one, then we come in here and we're set on our own person. And maybe that's not the best group. Maybe it's, maybe the best way to do it is we all pick who we think are, you know, it hits us as the top people, kind of like when you're hiring somebody, we all pick our top ones. We all share why we picked them as our top ones. And after that, after we've heard from each other about why you think this one might be good or that one might be good, then as a team, you know, we kind of put forward nominations and some, some may fall out to be kind of no brainers as we talk among ourselves. But so let me just read through this. Um, and again, it's not in stone because it's, it's up to us as a team, how we want to do this. I'm just trying to think of the best overall way to make sure that we as a group pick the best complete group that we think would be good for this committee. So, so the thought process would be each member of the commission. And I do see this as like doing like nine members first and then members, even though on number one, I put them together. Each member of the commission selects their top three non-member candidates and top three member candidates. Each member of the commission briefly shares the rationale of their selections. Uh, three, uh, names are then placed in nomination because you may still feel good about what you've got, or you may, I may hear what you guys say and think, nope, I think that's the better overall fit. Um, and then, uh, unless the commission reaches a consensus via discussion, then whoever we've nominated, we do basically a ballot vote and we'd initial our sheet and, and we'll have to talk about that, Michelle. So it's, you know, we can bring it together easily. And then, um, the, uh, top three vote getters in each category would be announced by the city clerk. And then unless by the time we're done, it's kind of obvious who the alternates would need to be because they have to be non-members. Um, we, you know, we would go through a secondary process. So, um, and then the other piece that Michelle had brought to my attention is too, because it's a new committee, there's different terms. So we've got some three-year terms and two-year term, one-year term. Now, interesting, just so you think about this and we check the, we check the ordinance on this, um, or resolution. And that is, so if you, if we put somebody in a three-year term, then they will be, they will get two, two, three-year terms and then they'll be termed out. If we put some in a, someone in a two-year term, then they actually can go for two full three-year terms still, right? Because that's how our resolution reads. And if they have one year, then again, they can re-up. So in some sense, the ones that get the shorter, actually the two-year person's in the best situation because they can do two years and then there, I'll get the chance to have it for two more times. So I just bring that up because we, it will be kind of a little bit of a thing then once we decide who we want to then place people in those, those terms. So, um, but I just thought we should just feel, are we on the right path? Because the more we're kind of on the same path and we can come in here, I think be as organized as possible with how we, um, you know, how we do it. So, I mean, so thoughts, comments, feedback. Sounds logical. Well thought out. Yeah, I, I think it's a reasonable approach. This is the fifth time I've been involved in one of these nominating committees and we can plan forever, whatever we want, but they're all going to be sitting right here. And that's, um, I remember we went through a couple of them, even during COVID, we had to do them on, on zoom. And, uh, you know, the big thing is I'm done by the way, mine, mine are all selected and I have four in each category in case we have a question about the alternates. Um, and I, what I actually did was, you know, made it, they gave myself examples of why and who, and one thing, uh, I guess I just can't get over how qualified some of our citizens are. I was like, you know, this is very difficult and, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's important. It's a big vote. And like I said, when it comes before us, they're going to be sitting here looking at us and, but mine's done and, uh, I'm ready to go with mine. Yeah. You know, the other thing I thought too, as much as I thought it'd probably be easier for each to us, each of us to pick one, then, you know, again, you take the chance that by the time we're done, like I may say, this is absolutely what I want. And, but by the time we're done talking among ourselves, actually that's not the best one that, you know, all of us feel as best. So, um, I think it just gives us all the best ability to, um, discuss it. And, and in my opinion, get the best, you know, the best, most, uh, unanimous consent on who's going to be on there because it's a really important one. So, okay. So we'll kind of show anything. And I was just confirming the May 21st date again, mayor. Okay. For that vote. So, yeah. Okay. So good. Well, that was easy then. And I think that helps. And I appreciate both Michelle and Jennifer's thoughts on this as it kind of moved along as well. Okay. So my other thing is municipal planning organization. And I wanted to give you an update on that. Uh, we actually at the Ford Penalas meeting this month, um, we, it was proposed, um, and I didn't realize it was coming this quick, but it was, it was on our agenda to vote, um, on whether or not as Ford Penalas, we would recommend to the County Commission that we move forward with kind of the allotment of, you know, there's 25 members max that you can have on this merger between, um, between Pasco Hillsboro and Penalas. And so they wanted us to kind of vote to move this forward. Um, so I didn't have time to kind of really talk to you all before that. Now, um, it actually got tabled and now it's going to be voted on in May. Um, so I want to kind of give a little bit of, so we're all on the same educational page. So, um, Ford Penalas, uh, serves as metropolitan planning organization for Penalas County. The Penalas County MPO operates in accordance with federal law 23 USC 134 and 135 and chapter 339.175 Florida statutes to address the mobility needs of people and freight while fostering economic growth and minimizing fuel consumption, air pollution, and green gas emissions. The Penalas MPO was established in 1977 following the passage of the federal highway act of 1974. It develops plans, policies, and priorities that guide local decision-making on transportation issues. Principal responsibilities include the development of a 20 year long range transportation plan, a five-year transportation improvement program, a two-year unified planning work program, and related transportation planning studies and projects. So just to make sure we're all kind of understand totally what the breadth of that is. So, um, back in 2023, Hillsboro, uh, and, uh, the Hillsboro MPO, they call it a TPO, and I don't know what that must be, transportation planning organization. Hillsboro, Pasco, and Ford Penalas signed a memorandum of understanding to document the mutual understanding of the three MPOs to investigate the formation, organization, and governance structure of a new regional MPO to serve the three counties. So, uh, and since then, the three MPOs have worked on this effort through the Tampa Bay Transportation Management Area, uh, leadership group, and through consultant-supported efforts. So, and quite honestly, they broke, they ended up breaking it down into, like, this part where they would basically under, get some comparison between the three MPOs and how they, how they align or don't align, and also what the structure of a, a merged municipal planning organization would look like and how the membership would be. Um, the next phase is way more, is, is more detailed. It's really like working through the details of how, you know, you know, one of the things that WIT, head of Ford Penalas, told me, like, then you dig a little deeper to say, well, there might be a transportation coordinator in each county who Chelsea, if you guys remember Chelsea, she's done some different, um, presentations up here on behalf of Ford Penalas, you know, she might be that person who's the transportation coordinator or it could be somebody else. Um, but again, our link to our community. So, um, so really what was kind of brought forward, and it was interesting because, uh, because I was, you know, this started before, way before I got on Ford Penalas, um, I was kind of in a place of just looking what our representation would continue to be. So, um, so, but on the bigger picture, the, the apportionment for the 25 seats would be Hillsborough would have 11 plus Tampa Bay International Airport and Port Tampa Bay. And of course, some of the discussion with that is that Hillsborough and Tampa sit on Port Tampa Bay and Tampa International Airport, but Pasco and, and, um, and Pinellas do not. And, but the rationale of putting them in the, in a voting membership here is that they're regional. So some of the debate has been, well, if you're regional, then have Pasco and Pinellas also sit in that board. So that's, and again, I, I know enough to be dangerous about that. So in terms of having a strong opinion, you know, I'm, I'm kind of gathering information myself. Um, so, and then for Pinellas, we would have eight, eight seats and Pasco would actually have four seats and the total of that would be, uh, 25, uh, which is the max that you can have. Um, so, um, some of the concerns at four Pinellas was if you add the, um, Tampa airport and the port, then you've got 13 members on the Hillsborough Tampa side, and that's 52% of the entire board. And that was concerning that, okay, if they were kind of in a block that the Pinellas and Pasco would be kind of left, left to the side. Um, now there was a lot of discussion and debate about, I don't know how to say this, how often Hillsborough and Tampa agree and don't, don't agree. And a lot of times on different issues, Tampa agrees with Pinellas. And so, uh, but there was a lot of discussion about that. And, um, um, so what Ford Pinellas did was table it and forced to send some feedback out about perhaps the airport and, or, and, or the oil both in the port could actually be non voting members. Um, and perhaps one of the seats should go to Pasco because from, by their population, they could have another one way more detail than you guys need to know. But anyway, so I am going to the TMA meeting where they're going to be discussing this, the three, there's a three representatives from each, um, each county that we'll be talking about that tomorrow. Um, anyway, it's, um, it's a lot. I think, uh, there's the theories obviously of the MPO merger is, uh, we would be the largest MPO in the state of Florida if this happens, which, which is, and when we talked with, um, uh, the head of, uh, district seven of DOT, he said, you know, I remember him saying it to him, it's kind of a no brainer. We'll be able to pull more money down. Um, and again, work more collaboratively. Um, so kind of the devil's in the detail though. Um, so, um, so all that's kind of being looked at. So that got to be the higher issue that I wasn't, I didn't see that coming, that it was going to be the higher discussion. Um, so what I did, because the membership that's proposed for, for, um, Pinellas is two members, from the board of County commissioners. Okay. Two members, city, St. Petersburg, one member, city of Clearwater, one member, city of Largo, one member, city of Pinellas park. And then the rest of the 20 cities, we would be the largest would share a seat. Um, because it got to such a high level, I said, well, obviously there's bigger issues in terms of the overall merger, but I said, I, I need to put a pin in the discussion about how our representation would be. And my point really was that, um, you know, again, we get it. There's 25 seats. We only get so many. We're not going to be parochial about this, but at the other hand, you have 20 cities represented with one seat, and that's over 200,000 population in Pinellas County. So to me, it was underrepresenting, uh, these cities and in particular North County cities where for us, we have Curlew, we have all 19, we have 580, we have, um, the most popular state parks coming into that. And that, you know, it was really important for us to have solid representation, however that formed. And, um, and then I, there was another, um, um, another, I think he's vice mayor, um, who, who did, again, the discussion really tended to be higher level for the whole merger. Um, but he chimed in and agreed with me, which was great. And, uh, and I think, uh, they're, they're, they're going to look at that. So, um, so, but again, because the conversation was at such a higher level, that's kind of what happened. So I just wanted to make sure for those of you who know more or less or whatever, if you have any thoughts, any views on this, um, I'd love to hear them. So it sounds to me like the benefit of consolidating the MPOs is essentially following suit and assuming that there are other MPO consolidations like this would be to make this consolidated MPO more competitive for state funding. Yeah, which ultimately is federal dollars that are coming down and funneled through this organization, correct? Yeah. Or the federal dollars. It's hard, it's hard to, um, ignore that part of it. Um, but to your point, I am, I, I still think that the apportionment is somewhat disproportionate. Um, I, I see, I see on your sheet there, it's, it's, it's based on pure percentage and population. Um, but with that said, um, the, each of the MPOs have essentially different, you know, they've got our, we all have our different challenges. And I, I worry about the fact that this consolidation would end up diluting any sort of benefit that we would get out of this and specifically sharing a seat with someone else. So I don't know, I guess the, the point in this is, is that we would need to, um, I guess what we need to understand is, is, is kind of what's the recourse here? What, what is the next step? I mean, because I, I have a lot of concerns with this consolidation and it's really, you've, you articulated them very well. And, uh, I, so anyway, that's, that's my two cents. And I'll be honest. I mean, again, as I've kind of listened and learned and, you know, Jen, you may have some input on this. I, um, you know, I think it's a good thing for it to happen. Uh, but right now the devil's in the detail and, um, and then, um, and making sure everybody does feel represented. Pasco County, um, head of their MPO got up there and was really very articulate and saying, Pasco's talked through this. They're good with their membership. They think it's good overall. They're good. And, uh, which I thought was great because again, they have the lowest number of members on the 25 panel, but, um, yeah, anybody else? Yeah. Thank you. And well done mayor. Great presentation. Thank you for bringing us up. Um, it, it seems to me, um, that Pinellas County has always been kind of the leader when, when it comes to our MPO and, um, looking at our, our housing and our, uh, transportation and, and kind of trying to be forward thinking. And, uh, my, my concern lies in, in the appropriation of, of the seats and, and my concern. The three, the three counties or meaning more us, Pinellas County? Uh, I'm certainly concerned about Hillsborough County and no disrespect to them, but they, they, they, they, they, they would rather fight about things than get stuff done sometimes. No, no disrespect to them. And we just seem to have much more cohesive understanding and collaborative idea of where we want to go. So while we all have our differences within the cities, Pinellas County as a whole, we move forward. Um, I've always been very proud of Floyd Pinellas and what they've done. And so I am, I, well, I, I think the whole thing is a great idea is to, to expand it. Um, but I, I hate the idea of expanding it just for federal dollars, because if we spend our time spinning wheel and, and throwing sand at each other, not a whole lot will get done regardless of the money that that'll be spent. But I can't focus on that nearly as much as, uh, the seats that in the idea that Dunedin might lose a seat and, you know, since the inception, from my understanding, Dunedin has always had a seat at the table and any, any idea of losing that is just very, very painful. Um, I, I get going by population, but if you look at the board of County commissioners, St. Pete, Clearwater, Largo, Pinellas Park, all of that is so centralized on South County. Exactly the point I made. I made the point. Right. And while the board of County commissioners is the entire County, uh, we know where the focus is. And so if there's anything that as a commission, we can do to put a thumb on the scale or to really plead our case, I, I, I attended, I don't know how many, uh, meetings under the last leadership, previous mayor on holding our seat at, at forward Pinellas. And if you think that would help if we attended a meeting and pled our case for why we think we need to be at the table. Um, so honestly, I don't, so, you know, we have to understand that we've got 19 seats for forward Pinellas in Pinellas County. And now the cap is 25 for three counties. So I think that we have to be realistic and I don't want us to be seen as parochial, right? Um, I think I made a great case for why North County and Dunedin are being underrepresented. Um, I know that I was heard and I, I know they're trying to figure some things out. So I think right now that's, you know, and quite right. And right now, of course, their bigger issue is, is it even going to happen? Because they've got to work out the higher level. Um, but I, um, I'm going to keep pushing. I, you know, you can see all my stuff. I had it all here. So I was ready. And, um, but again, the higher level issue become, became the bigger issue about it. Is this even going to happen? And then, um, and then, um, and I, again, I put a pin in it like this, these are my, I got my facts out on the table, but that's something we can all figure out if, when the time comes. Um, but I know I was heard. And right now I think that's, that's what's important. And if there's more to be done, I will absolutely let the commission know. Um, Jen, I'm dying to hear what you say, but I want to hear from commissioners. You got anything to add? Cause you know, you kind of, you, you have attorneys in all the different counties and I'm just curious if you have any thoughts or input. I just think it's what you said, mayor, which is it's going to be, it's going to be somewhat of a struggle and there's going to be some give and take on that when you only have 25 seats and you've got so many communities that need to be represented. Um, and that are, um, you know, this is a transportation, uh, heavy area, not just with roadways, but roadways. And like you mentioned, airports, ports. So I think there's going to be, um, some give and take with regard to the seats. And, you know, the funding comes through population and actually the long-term MPO merger will probably be population. And I think fully because of the growth, especially in Pasco, the thinking is that we got eight seats now, but that doesn't mean we're going to have eight seats, uh, as we move because, you know, we're built out and they've still got growth going on. So, um, yeah, so I think we just try to do the best we can to make sure if this happens, um, there's a structure in place. And this isn't the only time we get to vote on this because again, part of it will be the structure by which, you know, the input's going to come to the top, so to speak. Um, and now, cause I even thought, well, okay, if they, if we don't get a seat, but again, we're going to, we're going to keep pushing for some, something in that regard, like, you know, we'll just go. Well, one of us will be the representative to go to that meeting every time and we'll get up and speak what we think, you know, public input. So, I mean, David's all there. He's there every time speaking. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we will, we will talk. Um, so, um, anyway, um, uh, commissioner, do you have anything? Oh, my colleagues are right. Uh, regional planning councils and MPOs have extraordinary influence when it comes to funding. And that could be a value add proposition. Um, I've got all kinds of questions. For instance, is there an evaluation phase in which all of this can be reevaluated in a given period of time? Because one of the things that will hold a governance body to being much more thoughtful about being representative is a time limited, uh, structure. Um, the Kansas City Regional Planning Council not only covered, uh, five counties, it covered two states. And those states were notorious for fighting each other all the way back to the Civil War. So, they can work. And I've seen them work. Um, and they are very influential. Not just within the context of transportation, but within the context of just a number of issues that comes before it. So, I'm going to speak for it, but I'm going to speak it with some guardrails. I'd like to see some greater guardrails than I've seen so far. Um, I was just thinking through some things to add to. And I know that, uh, some of the, the staff leadership certainly feels that, um, because some of this came out of discussion in Tallahassee when they did it, uh, back in 2023. And I think the feeling is do it, decide on how to do it for yourselves or the state will decide how to do it. And then there will be no choice. Um, and I think that's probably a real, real possibility. So, and I know that, um, some of the leadership in the staff ranks definitely feels that way. And I, I'll speak for a wit. Blanton, of course, head of Forward Pinellas, I know that, you know, he feels like he doesn't want to put a number on how much more money we can actually pull down as much as it's about coordination. So it allows the three counties to think in a more coordinated fashion in a way that money can be put aside for a big project that actually has the big picture impact, so to speak. So, um, but again, that was in the detail right now in terms of how this is going to happen. And ultimately, Forward Pinellas would, would recommend, but Pinellas County gets the vote. So they get to decide if this is going to happen or not. And, um, and I can tell you it was a county commissioner that came with, you know, you know, math, math done and concerns. So it, it was a pretty healthy, healthy discussion. So, um, okay. Well, any other words of wisdom or Jennifer, any words of wisdom? I think you've covered there. Okay. Okay. All right. Um, okay. Um, so we are going to go now to city clerk update. Nothing new to report, mayor. Thank you. Okay. And we'll go to city manager update. So mayor, um, just a moment of personal privilege, if I may. Um, I'm hoping that we can send, uh, prayers of comfort to, uh, city of Coral Springs. So, um, I don't know if you've heard, but they've had an unimaginable tragedy. Uh, their vice mayor was recently killed by her husband, the sitting vice mayor. She, yeah. So the, um, uh, the community obviously was rocked by, uh, you know, Parkland because they're directly South and provided EMS. So they had a hard time overcoming that, but this is really hard for them to take. And, uh, the governor sent out a notice today to, to, for the flags to be at half staff. So I'd like to do that if that's all right with you. Absolutely. Okay. Very good. Thank you. And anything else you think we can do? So, yeah, I just saw it. I saw it at one point when it got announced and it was horrible. Yeah. I did. I did know Nancy. I had met her. She took the dice after I left. You've probably met her at NLC meetings and so on and so forth. So, um, but I know the community is just absolutely rocked by it. And of course her family, you know, she's only 38 years old. She was 38 years old. Yeah. So very bright, very, I mean, just up and coming. And so, um, like I said, the community, the staff is devastated. She was much loved and of course her mother and her family. So thank you, mayor. Okay. Thank you. Uh, city attorney update. No update. Okay. Uh, if there's nothing else for the good of the order, meeting adjourned.