U.S. Coast Guard Master Captain review the area, and his comments are in that package. I read those. And so we want to bring these to you, but it's going to require a little bit of discussion. So that's what we're here to ask is let's have that talk. The managing count is the thing that we're really hoping is. Well, we want you to read the report. But I think also between now as we get into months and that was significant. And our survey is ongoing. Right. We'll find out. The one dimension, and actually two dimensions, is the clearance, the air draft, the surface of the water at the bottom of the bridge at both high and low tide. And at the same time, what is the water depth through that main cut at both angles? Have some of that data in that package report? I read through it a couple of the air drafts, water depths. Well, there may be more data to be collected. The reason we're coming to you now is that there's some urgency in our view. We'll discuss this and decide if it really should be a manatee zone. I think the longer we delay, the... Well, to Mike's point, we've got two issues at hand. It's the manatee protection zone, and then we're still trying to stop the dock building. And I've heard through the grapevine that it's been approved by the county just for some final processing. I'm in touch with the director that's handling that permit, Lee Sims. And I'm in the portal all the time, checking to see what information is coming and going. We would love to have, ultimately, a letter to you folks describing any concern that you might see with these docks. We have one from the Marine, excuse me, from the Environmental Advisory Board opposing the docks. And I think one from you folks would be very strong. Was CMA helpful at all? CMA, no. The aquarium has been non-responsive. Well, they built a rehabilitation center. But if any manatees do get injured, they don't have to take them very well. I'm thinking that also the water depth in there is critical. It's an issue. Big issue. Well, yeah. But, I mean, as far as manatees go, because when you get a mating herd up there, which I have seen repeatedly, of course, everybody freaks out when they see that. They just see a whole bunch of manatees up and put on the aquarium as they can go home. Well, your next meeting, though, is in March. Correct. Yes. Second Wednesday in March. I'm sensing a gap here that we've got a lot of information to relate to you, and we can't really formally do that until your next meeting. The two issues, the docks and the manatee zone, are related but unrelated. We think the manatee zone is important because people, the docks is just, they're not really related. We need that. We think we need a manatee zone. Okay. And just to reiterate what we talked about at a previous meeting was that the manatee is the way to go. There's not much that we can do to help as far as implementing any further wake zones than we already have. Wake zones is not really the issue now. But there's no signage that even has the word manatee on it out there. We want a sign coming in under the bridge for the jet skiers and others, even flat-bottom boats, crank it up, to tell people there's manatees in here. Slow down. We don't need a massive amount of signage. I don't believe it. Just a few properly placed signs. Would that be us, the manatee signs, or would that be fish and wild? Well, there's two ways that you can go about getting the manatee zone. One is through the FWC. They do periodic studies, and they implement the zones. The second one is a local ordinance. So the state has given the county permission to have local ordinances for manatee zones. And in the case of the feasibility study that we presented here before, the best course of action to get a slow-speed zone in those two portions of the creek would be through the local ordinance manatee zone. And there's just a lot of data that you've got to collect. There's a lot of steps that you have to go through. So working with the Stevenson Creek Advocacy Group, what we've come up with is, you know, the city will develop the ordinance, take it to council, and then we'll also install the signage. But you still have to design it. You still have to have it surveyed, and there's still a lot of data that needs to be collected. The manatee data is great, but there's still other data that needs to be collected. And you need to tell us what that is, because I think we've got it all. And, yeah, I'll look through that and see if there's anything else that, you know, they need to provide you. Okay. Well, towards the impending DOT permit, do you have enough information about the problem with it to create a letter either in support or in opposition of it? Well, I think we do. I think we do. Personally, I've looked at the plans. They seem not only a little outrageous. I mean, it's just on the wrong side of the bridge. Thank you. But also that they seem to leave it open that, oh, we're going to build these. But that, yeah. But then, you know, what's going to, once they get the permission to build them, there doesn't seem to be a limit of how many they can put there. And they are advertising 20, clearly, in all of their advertising materials, Serena is. So they've got dogs. I think I was asking about water depth and air drafts. Yeah. Because I think, you know, if I'm sitting there going to spend, you know, over a million dollars on a condo, and, oh, look, I get a boat slip, too, for an extra $50,000. Let me bring my 29-foot sea ray in there. I'm going to have to get a run and start or put in a drawbridge. Well, no matter what kind of boat they have, it's the same issue with turbidity, digging up the soft bottom and the shallow. Right, I'm thinking the more ammo we have is like, okay, if you want to put docks in here, you've only got, at high tide, four foot of air draft. You've got, at low tide, only two foot of bottom draft. And the docks are sitting on the mud. Can you really, in good conscience, I'm buying all this property, and I'm going to buy this condo and this dock? It's kind of a bait and switch. You know, here's this beautiful picture. And even in their sales literature, they show a couple of boats moored out there. And they're right up next to the shore. That are bigger than could ever get out there. They're going to be asked. They're asked. Come on. Well, you know, I believe the selling philosophy at that development is let the buyer beware. If they're foolish to expect a big boat, they'll learn soon. I think it's advertising. But the water depth's five foot at the bridge on a good day. There's no room for a manatee in a boat with a 18-inch draft. And that's what, I think, those are the facts, the dimensions that if we had, we could throw all this together. It would help us then put together something that says, while it may not be illegal, it's really dumb. And also, in the captain's report, there were five to ten manatee in the area of the docks as he was surveying. There's always manatees up there. And, yeah, we have photographs now, videos on our website, stevensoncreek.org, that showed manatees clearly in the exact location of the docks doing their thing in three feet of water. So I think all the information does exist in your e-mails and elsewhere. So what I'm confused is what does it take for us to write a letter to someone and say who our post is? Well, the question is, do we have to come together? Do we have to review it in public? Do we just write it and send it or what? That's permissible that if she were to draft one, we could approve it at the next meeting? Okay. We would accept that. Great. And just to add in there my own concern, having had a dock on St. Joseph's, when they put my new dock in, and unfortunately I was away, there was a large rock underneath me that they should have removed. It would cut my beam would sit down on it and not let me get on and off at low tide. I excavated that rock myself, but what I saw a lot of my neighbors doing, and it's a known thing called midnight dredging, where if you can't easily get on your boat at lower tides on your lifts, and I'm assuming the size of these boats that they could put in there, they'd have to put them on lifts. You can't just keep them floating. There are docks and lifts. Every nine of them has a dock and a lift. And most of the docks that people have built out there, single docks, they're not utilized. They've sold the boat off because they can't use it. You can barely ever get in and out. Most of them are that way. That's tricky. When you have a three-hour window, they can get in and out. So you're saying there's already precedent for how boats can and can't use that area. Yes. Yes. We've got neighbors who are like, we've got, hey, let's go out on the boat. We've got this much time. It's got to be now or we can't get back. You've got to look at the time chart. You've got to go out on an uprising near high tide. You've got to come back soon or you'll get stuck out there. Have you got a three-hour window or a 12-hour window? If you can provide some facts in the letter that you're going to write that relate to that, I think it also goes to what he's asking as far as the draft goes and how it can be utilized. You can attach that to the letter. A website is trusted. Do you mean a neighbor's testimony about limited access in and out? Whatever works. But it has to be able to be proved, justified. We're not going to support anything that's just hearsay. Well, the other thing that's interesting as I follow this draft, and I don't want to take a second on this, every entity that's looked at it, the Aquatic Preserve Program, the city, the Southwest Border Water Management District, FWC, everybody looks at those nine docks. They disregard the fact that this is a new precedent. It's completely new, and it will change the entire atmosphere of that creek. There's only been single-family docks forever. And putting a mass of them at this mouth, they say, I can't look at anything that might be. But that's the reality of it, and it's a shame that they're limited to that small, this is the permit at hand. As soon as that gets approved, that will be a precedent, and there will be that hole inside of that estuary could be docks. Well, it would make a great hurricane hole, except for the fact that you have to put a drawbridge in there and there's no water. Right. But, again, and I talked to Dr. Randy Runnels a little bit about it, and unfortunately, legally it can happen, but ethically it shouldn't. So, again, manatees, dolphins, I've seen them feeding up there all the time. And he's one also who said, I've got to stay in my lane. I'm only looking at this dock and disregard the actuality of it. I know him and the sidebars that we've had. He said, you know, it's stupid, and I can't imagine. I can't see anybody here thinking they're going to use it. Well, he could have still said something. It's a built-in lawsuit, but that's not what we're discussing. And, again, I think the water depth at high and low tide and the air draft at high and low tide will answer a lot. And, plus, people fish off that bridge. Now it's kind of has depth. Yeah, right, at high tide. A little bit of a rush. And that was at high tide, right? No, that was at near, above half. Okay. Well, I was just going to say, more important. And we're happy to see things like kayak and paddle boards. Those people come in there all the time. I've paddled under that where I've had to, on a high tide, there's not much clearance there. But a kayak, you know, yeah, environmentally, they're... They don't get skis get in, but we'd like them to slow down. We've got a vision. One day we might get with Parks and Rec and have a kayak launch at the old shuffleboard court area that's underutilized. And maybe a manatee viewing area. That's been mentioned before. Wouldn't that be a great tie-in with CMA? The reason years ago it came up back in the 90s... That's an understatement. Yeah. Well, it's... There's... The city knows all about that. You know the nickname of Stevenson's Creek. I... Okay. Okay. You know the nickname. I've been through it. I used to report the problems. They're doing a much better job. I don't have a problem. I used... I... When Tom Miller was the head of the environmental department here, I told... He came to me with that idea. Kayak launch. I said, I wouldn't do it. I think there's a lot of... Maybe there's bacterial issues that we're... That the city's going to have to deal with in some way. So... But Marshall Street's much better now. They're doing it. That plant's scheduled to come offline and become a pump station. And there's this ongoing discussion. We'll have it. And when it does, that estuary, we need to preserve that estuary as it is and improve it. Because it's an estuary, we can turn the Marshall Street plant tanks into a fish hatchery. We can have it. If you have a fish hatchery, you've got to have an estuary. We've got an estuary, let's get it going. We've got a little fishing going out here. Successful on the beach could be difficult. It could be wildly successful. But Stevenson Creek's gone through 30 years of Clean Water Act improvements. The water's getting... It's a huge watershed. It used to be horrendous. But we've got a risk. We're... I call it this. Stevenson Creek is a model of urban street restoration. The city needs to be proud of that. The city's responsible for all of the clean water MPMPs all along. Three-chambered runoff systems, Glen Oaks, Highland Ponds, they're all on our website. We've gone through and talked about it. I mean, it's getting better. It's not getting... We're going to keep on... It's not perfect, but it's getting better. We figure that there's been $100 million spent to help the health of the creek. And this is just the beginning of something that can reverse all that. A lot of the sediment's gone. The building, Marshall Street, and all of the maintenance that goes into it, that's how we came up with that. Sure. So we'll put something together for you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Would it be possible for us to get that e-mail to us so that once it was approved, so that we could provide that letter to them before the next meeting? Can we do that? Or does it all have to be done at the meeting? Time is of the essence. Everything needs to be done in the sunshine. Oh, right. But I'm saying if it were e-mailed to everybody... Yeah, if you want to drop the letter and e-mail it to me and Jennifer, and then Jennifer and I can e-mail it to everybody else. Okay, there you go. Okay. So you can go ahead and proceed. Contact Mike, and then he'll get it to us. Proceed quickly with that. Very good. One other thing you might try, contact the, I guess the federal DOT, isn't Alternate 19 a federal highway at that point? Oh, sure. Or federal or state. Anyway, contact them and see if they might offer any input that, oh, wait a minute, we've got to have so many cubic feet available to pass through to not undermine the pilings of the bridge and so forth. Remember when the same key bridge failed out? Say again? Are you speaking to the safety of the bridge? Yes. They don't care about manatees or docks or anything else, but if any upstream work is done that could potentially affect the bridge or its structure, then they might say, well, wait. Worth an ask. The way it is now, most of the area, they do still boat. Yes. Two or three boats ago, yes, I had a boat that I could get under there at low tide and run, just a 20-foot boat. But then I never even thought about it after I took the natural, what do they say, seven years, seven feet? But again, what you're saying about the damage to the bridge, reiterate what I was saying about that midnight dredging, and just to qualify the term, where you're tying your boat to your dock or to your lift. Prop dredging. And putting it in place and putting it in gear and blowing all of that water out from underneath where your lift sits and just spreading the silt and everything. Maybe that's their informal dredging plan. Yeah. Of course, there's the law of nature. It tends to regain its formal. So you can dredge it out every week. Oh, yeah. It'd fill right back in. I used to run the Pirates Cove boat sales office, and, yes, you planned your boat deliveries very carefully until every five years they'd come around and dredge it and things would be normal for a year or two. And now I think they took out the smaller golf course, the old St. Andrews or whatever they had to change the name to. And so there's only Dunedin Country Club that is on it that's causing it, and they've done a lot in rebuilding the now reopened Dunedin Country Club to control their runoff. They've really had a lot of steps. I saw the plans to get rid of that. But Dunedin, that's their problem. But just like when they took the golf course out off the bay, Glen Oaks, was it? Mm-hmm. Glen Oaks. They took a whole golf course out. Gigi's going to break his golf course. And the kids used it. Yeah, it was Glen Oaks. Chi-Chi was involved in that? Chi-Chi. Oh. Yes, but he moved this operation from McLean to the third. Yes. And at the country site, so. Glen Oaks and Chi-Chi were the same. They're at court. It was perfect timing for us. I was on the Abraham Outboard at that time. Yeah, to get that runoff under control. Glen Oaks is a masterpiece. People don't realize it's a state-of-the-art urban water treatment and pollution. Yes. Well-designed. I know their designers really just did it. That was the most polluted area, the runoff that went in there. Well, it's a huge watershed. Huge watershed. Yeah. And that ultimately gets into Stevenson's Creek. Yeah. And Glen Oaks is, like, right at the heart. Boom. And there's another one that changes. Yeah. We've got to get one. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. Give Mike a copy of that letter, and he'll pass it on to us. Much appreciated. And we'll see you in three months. Super. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, guys. We had other people to speak, or is it all here for the business? You're for the marina, right? Okay. So we're going to move on from that as soon as I find my glasses. Business items. Beach, marina, commercial, tenant, outreach, group, update. Yes. I made some notes for everybody to make it easier. So you don't have to memorize. Thanksgiving, some friends from Italy in. We're out on the sea streamer. Yes. On Thanksgiving Day, which was not a pretty day. But they got in and out easily. They had a wonderful time. They just had nothing but positive reviews, and maybe they're from a cold part of Italy because it was not a day I would have been out there. But if I was out there, I'd want to be on something like the sea streamers. But it was good to hear, though, feedback. So good morning. My name is Susan Smith. My husband and I, Jamie, and my brother-in-law, TJ, own Stella Fishing, which is one of the charter, the six-pack boats. Which one is yours? Stella Fishing. The Legend and the Lore. The Legend and the Lore. Okay, okay. The Blue and the Yellow Boats. Maybe I need to rebrand. Is that what you're saying? Well, I have to close my eyes and listen. The voice is on the radio trying to figure out, okay, that's. Absolutely. So we kind of, the first thing is the Marina Tenant Council Organization update. We just, we asked Trish to provide an update as to how things are going there. And as you all, I'm sure, are aware, they've organized the group under Amplify and are really happy with the support that they're getting from them as they're putting together the group and starting to organize the metrics and the membership and the way that they're going to be approaching everything for that organization. The members will have benefits under Amplify membership also, which I think is, they're very pleased with. They are going to be distributing their membership guide over the next few weeks, you know, through this holiday season, I think, sometime shortly. They continue to state that the construction down there has been hard on all the tenants. And so, obviously, they're trying to do as much as they can to get people to join, but also not put the financial burden on the businesses right out of the gate. Am I correct that Amplify Clearwater is basically the, not the Rotary, but the Chamber of Commerce? Isn't that just, yes, that's correct. Okay. Yes. And I'm not super close to this, so I'm kind of reporting, but we can use everybody's brains as we go. And so, they are going to be foregoing the membership fee until we get more into the busier season of the tourism aspect. So, they're looking to do that in June, and they will be providing you all a copy of the membership guide as soon as it is complete. Okay. That's the least amount of information that I know about what I'm about to talk about. So, if anybody has any questions, I'm happy to take them back to them all, you know, if you have any thoughts on that. Otherwise, we can kind of jump into more of why we are here, TJ and I. There are a couple things that are going on down there as you all are looking to obviously make the marina whole and, you know, working within at least breaking even. We have that same appreciation for our small business. We are wanting to show you and just give you some data so you can start to make some, you know, really some, some, an opinion about how you're approaching the rate hikes down there, particularly for not just the commercial business, but maybe even more in regards to the commercial fishing fleet themselves, as we're looking for you to consider some type of a carve-out for the small six-pack and even the larger boats that are down there that are fishing. We wanted to show you kind of the way that the rate hikes are impacting the larger boats, which just from a, also just thinking of revenue, you know, these, the bigger businesses and the tour businesses really do have a much larger top line and, you know, many of them million plus. And when you're looking at rate hikes that, you know, are really impacting them in that, like, kind of 35 to 60 percent or so, and then you move to the charter fleet and you look at rate hikes that impact us anywhere between. And this is true for, for all of the boats that are down there, the small six-pack boats particularly, anywhere between 120 to 170 percent is what that, that rent hike does to us. And our top line is anywhere, and it's true along, across all of the boats down there, 250 to $300,000 a year is our top line. And so these rent hikes that maybe don't feel as significant to people, and I know you're trying to get things in line, and you're like, oh, our, our study says that commercially we should be charging you more. And that may be, hold true for some of these really large, larger businesses or much more substantial businesses that aren't, that don't live under, you know, we can't put more passengers on our boats by federal law. If you can only, we run much further, we can't add five trips, five more tours a day. You know, we just don't have those types of options. Way more weather to have the sea stream and all those guys, they're going out. Yeah, as I just said, we don't do that. We can't do that. It's so hard because so many, so many marinas, okay, that slip, we're renting the slip. I want to put a kayak in it. Okay, but it could take a 60-foot boat. So there's that catch-22 there. You've only got a 10-foot kayak. It's only $10. You've got a 60-foot boat. You can go in there too. You're going to be $60. So where do you charge for the slip, and where do you charge by the foot? I completely get what you do. Yeah, I think that's why we're talking about, I don't disagree with, I mean, we had a recreational boat for a long time in the city marina, I mean, almost 10 years, and if you would have told me my rent was going up by $800, you know what I would have said for my tier? I would have said, okay. You know, I mean, I'm a recreational boater. I have a 50-foot boat. I expect these. I do it for joy. You have those types of dollars in that. I think really, truly looking at this and thinking about if you want to support a fishing fleet, a true fishing fleet. And this has been one of the agendas that I lobbied to get on this board because I've got quite a connection to the waterfront. And the only working waterfront we have left is Clearwater Beach, the Seminole area, and that's it. There was a time when there was so much, but that's all ancient history. That's like Clearwater. That's the oldest working fishing fleet in the state is that marina right there. And, I mean, I interviewed Dave Spalding and Bob Ress, all those guys, Courtney Ross. It's special. I don't envy you in having to come up with just that. It could hold a 60-foot boat at $60 a month. I don't care what you put in there to buy the foot. Or if there is some way we could have a carve-out or if by a longer contract, say, well, okay, let's do a – I'm making this up – a five-year deal. And instead of selling you the 60-foot slip, we're going to discount that to X because I know it'll be – it's you for five years. I mean, that's – I get completely what you're saying. There's no way you're going to compete with the big head boats. Yeah, and the tour boats themselves. I mean, they just – you just have so much more opportunity in different ways to drive revenue and work harder. And with us, it's just – we just don't have those – Yeah, you can only go – yeah. Opportunities. And even if you put a second boat in the fleet, now you've got a second slip rent. Yeah, we do. We did do that. So – And a lot of us do. Salt Cracker has two – Has three. Has three above – or Real Deal has two. Yeah. Golfstream has two. You know, we have two. So when you really – and we bought this business in 2022, and since then, we've also started to see the fleet shrink, you know, by three or four businesses already. Sure. And the hurricane, obviously, is hard for everyone. But also – but, I mean, we're taking federal loans out to support two months or three months of, you know, changes in revenue where the bigger boats don't have those burdens as much. They don't run for – they don't use as much fuel. Like, there's just so many more advantages. And I'm like, why did we not buy the tiki boats? Just joking. I mean, there's so much less, you know, risk when it comes to it. But the charter fishing fleet, I personally feel it's a really special – it's not represented in the feasibility study the way from a commercial standpoint. You'd really have to look hard around the United States to find these little tiny pockets where, like, what – how are these little tiny businesses 10 at a time being supported in these larger, like, massive marinas, right? And it's a different – also, our people just – you know, 30 to 40 percent of the people that come to fish on our boats come to town with the sole purpose of fishing, which is also – I think we could say we really – we really do drive tourism across the area. More than when you come to town on vacation and you're like, hey, let's go on – you know, let's go on the Sea Screamer or something fun because you can kind of think – but a lot of our people plan to come. Yeah, they're walking down the dock. They're like, oh, let's ride on a little too to sit this afternoon. Oh, let's go over to the aquarium. But if they want to fish, they've already been in contact with you and got it booked before they ever got on an airplane to come down here. We refund fully number of trips a year because their flights are canceled, and it's the only reason they're coming in is to come fishing for two days. If that's something like us, like June, we're almost fully booked with the same people. They come for a week. Yeah. They fish seven days. Yep. And on average, that is bringing almost $40,000 just that one week. Wow. Of people that came here not to go see a dolphin, they came here to fish. Yeah. They're eating in the local restaurants down in Marina. They're renting out hotel rooms. It's really great people here. I have a friend in Ireland that him and his wife come over here every year. Yeah. Yeah. It's really a special thing. The working waterfront, it's vital that we preserve the working waterfront. And like I said, I get it. I got a waiting list of how many people. Somebody's going to pay me for that 60-foot slip. Want to put a kayak in it? It's still a 60-foot slip. And is there currently a waiting list to get back into the marina? So you're talking about two separate things. You have the recreational rate, and then you have the commercial rate. There is not a waiting list for the commercial. Okay. The commercial operators, they – It's full, right? Well, yeah. Yeah, we're full. And they're allowed to sell their business and then transfer that slip if the city agrees to those terms, yeah. Okay. So how did this end up so disportional that the starlight and those saw an increase but a minimal increase compared to simply the slips? So basically the rate study, that's where the rates were set. Looking at, you know, what the six-pack fishing fleet is going through is something that we've already started looking at. I've talked to city leadership about. And we're looking for ideas, and we're looking at working with them on something. But it's also based on the performa, which I'll go over with in my director's report. Okay. Yeah, we're really just looking for your consideration to advise them that it's a special group, even though it's considered, you know, grouped into that big commercial environment. It's commercial, but it's a different animal. But it's such a different animal. It's like the difference between an airliner and a little private plane. That seemed like Sea Scrum just had to rebuild two engines, $140,000 to rebuild two engines. That put a, we're done, we're crushed. Yeah. Like, you know, it's just, that's how different our business is. Yeah. Where it's just like, all right, let's go to work, switch them out, and they're back running a month later. We got to, I'm turning wrenches, trying to, you know, save every dollar. And you've lost, you've lost how many trips in the meantime. And, yeah, I know, and again, Screamer was over at Right Choice, you know, again, supporting, we're into the old Seminole Street. You look at how many businesses are supported entirely by the working waterfront, whether it's, and we don't have much. You've got that little bit on Island Stakes. You've got the City Marina on the beach. There's no commercial downtown. And you've got then the area around Seminole, and that's it. And then the next commercial is Tarpon Springs going south. You've got to go way down towards Mad Beach. And, you know, we need to save this. We really need to. It is really, it is a really special thing. We, so, and we don't, we know rent increases. Like, we are super reasonable and appreciative of everything that Mike's done and that everybody does to help support us. But this is, this is a big burden on us today that we're all very worried about. And then the second piece of this, and it, it, maybe it is just truly a carve out for the fishing fleets. When you look at fuel prices, and we just, we're trying to, we, Jamie and I and TJ just, we just opened our P&Ls up to you all so you could really just see the percentage that we pay to the city of the business. And when, just to be there when, you know, between fuel and our, just our marina spend in general, you know, when you're upwards of that, you know, 45, you know, 30 to 45 percent of our top line revenue just to be in the city marina, it's just really hard. That's not, that's not paying our captains. That's not paying, you know, we don't take personally any money out of this business. Everything goes into the business to the team that works it, and if we save $10,000, that $10,000 goes into the business and the people. I, you know, that's, that's the way this business runs, and most of them are owner-operated, and that's the way all, you know, all these little businesses run. From a fuel expense standpoint, we use the most fuel down there. We run the furthest. We have to fuel every day. You know, if we're running an eight-hour, you know, we're 20, 30, 40 miles offshore, you know, we are kind of trapped a little bit with whatever the marina prices the fuel at is where it is because we can't, we haven't had the opportunity to bring in trucks. We, you know, even the big boats that all have left a fuel somewhere else, and they have those advantages because they have those huge fuel holds. They don't use a lot of fuel, like Starlight doesn't use a lot of fuel, and it's around the, you know, it brings a lot of joy to people, but from a fuel expense, it is significant. And just looking at this last year with bringing the trucks in, we've saved over $30,000 in fuel. Like, that's the difference in our fuel bill year over year. And we are, we would love to pay, I mean, honestly, I'd love to be able to put that back into the business and give people raises and do amazing things for them as we're working on. Well, that may be an angle to take, obviously, with Mike as far as what the city will and won't allow or any discounts. I know from my time running a boat at the aquarium that they had commercial fuel discounts, but, you know, I don't know anything about how much, what, that's not what. But, you know, as a board member of the Marine Advisory Board, my thought is we have to do anything we can to save our local fleet and, you know, anything that we can do to help collaborate here with everybody involved, and I know Mike is too. I know Mike's trying to think about ways to help us with fuel. Like, is there a carve-out where, I don't know, you had some ideas, like ways that maybe he could capture his real cost of fuel with some level of markup that's more competitive with what we could get off of a truck. We can't bring trucks in, obviously, when everything's all beautiful. But, you know, for a difference in 25% or 28%, like, if I could save that money and fuel somewhere else and give the boats back 20% or $20,000 to the crew for them to work an extra hour and do that. There's so many moving parts. You know, Mike's got to pay the guy on the dock. They've got to maintain the equipment. 100%. Pay for the state inspection. You know, all that's a cost. But somewhere, maybe, man, it'd be nice. Yeah, we have a great appreciation for it. We just, our margins are razor, razor, razor thin. You know, and if we have a bad weather month, like, where all of a sudden we're two weeks of trips down, and it just, it really, really hurts us badly. I mean, not, we just don't have the top-line revenue. A little month's left over at the end of the money. Yeah. It really is. So we hear you, and I'll shut up because I think you can see I've got a particular interest in this. And it just, I grew up on the water, and as did many of the Clearwater residents, but I've interviewed a lot of these old-timers. And I actually interviewed Dave Spaulding and Kai Lewis and Wally Erickson and Skip Ress and Courtney Ross. I volunteer at the museum down here. That old mullet skiff you see. We put that together. Oh, irrelevant. Sorry. I talk a lot. Today, we hear you. We appreciate it. We hear you. Okay. I'll stop. Sorry. We appreciate it. We feel like one of the biggest challenges is just being lumped in to, and we understand why and how easy that would be, but it would be great to have the consideration of being like, hey, this fleet is different than, we're different than the Sea Screamers, we're different than the Tiki Boats, we're different. Like, it's just a different type of commercial business, and there's not a lot that we can do outside of what we do every day to drive more. We try. Like, I've been to funeral homes, doing burial at Sees, like, all sorts of stuff. I've been to banks, trying to do, like, bank closings. Like, we try. But really, at the end of the day, if you want to go do a burial at Seed with your loved one on the backfishing, at the end of the day, it's a charter fishing boat, you know? So, even those little things. Yes. We're like, what else, yeah, can we do? And, I mean, some of the guys try to go crab for two weeks in between if things are down. Like, it's just, what else? It's such a hard-working, truly love of the water and fishing kind of environment. It's not like going out and driving a tour boat and find a captain that will do that for whatever time. Like, it truly is that fundamental calling. Like, it's hard work. Not everybody wants to get up at 4 o'clock and catch a bait. It's a lot of work. Some days I'm like, what? You're so thankful. So, we also just kind of put, we wanted to make the note about how many people come in just for fishing, because we do believe that helps the entire area, not just our dock itself and the little Clearwater Beach area. And the other aspect I put together, just to give you all some visibility, we provided the number of trips that we've ran, 23, 24, and 25, by month. And so, I kind of in pink put, like, where the hurricane hit. We, as you can tell, are not as impacted, which really speaks to people prepping and coming in versus buying something off the dock by the walk-up business. The way the tour boats are down 50%, like, it's really a burden on them because they don't have that traffic through. We don't see that as much. I think that one of the reasons why we're holding as well as we have is also because we've lost a few of the boats over the last three years, three or four of the businesses. And the people that were fishing on them, you know, we've gained some of their business. So, I don't know that we're, you know, genius marketers or whatever, you know, holding and growing. But I do think that because the fleet's a little smaller, we look like we're holding better than maybe what we truly are, but we will see over time. We did change our prices based on the council's recommendation at the last meeting. They're like, well, just raise your prices $50 or whatever. And we did that in October when our rates were supposed to change. And we had a significant, significant, and I didn't put everybody else's numbers in there, but a very, very big drop in trips doing that. And I think we just have some months that we're like airlines, like, you know, some months they lower rates to get people to travel. You know, October is a lesser, you know, it's a softer month for people. People aren't holidaying where they're a little bit more tolerant of price changes. Like, at Christmas, if they're coming in to fish and do that, they're planning for that. But this is more local business and more people that would fish in the downtimes. And so we did see that. I know it's only one month, but we're really watching that. We just don't know that we have the price elasticity to be able to be like, hey, our rent's changed by $1,000 a month, so we've got to find $12,000 more just to get back to even. Can we do that $50 at a time? And I'm afraid that it might impact us in a much more negative way than we were hoping. Back when Mike did a presentation of things we were up to here in front of the council, was it last March or a year ago March? A year ago. That before Mike did his presentation, a gentleman from the Association of Community Theaters or something to that effect gave a presentation. A big, you could tell he was a showman. Poor Mike had to follow him. Did you do it? But, hello. I meant this Mike that he gave the report. So he's used to the abuse. So, but if you go back and look at that meeting and look at that, it was a city council meeting, not here. These people, these numbers you're seeing in these people that are coming in, some of those are just half of the family. The guys are going fishing. The women are shopping. They're going to the beach. The financial impact of those people, how many of them, the percentage of them that come from out of town, the things they bring with them, and then they do go to our theaters, and then they do go shopping, and they go to pay to an event to go here at the Sound. And it's, so looking at your numbers, you're thinking, oh, so we lost a few fishing people. No, you've lost tens of thousands of revenue that those people would have spent while they were here, not just on your boats, but on everything. So we. That's like this guy who works seven days in June, every June. He brings a bunch of people. He averages that one week, like 50 grand every year. Nice, nice, nice problem to have. Out in the, yeah, I mean, but still, I mean, that's 50 grand. That's a testimonial. Into this small little community of their work. Sure, yes. That's a testimonial, though, to the draw that the fishing community has, and your group in particular, that this guy comes back on a regular basis. And you see that a lot with the same, I mean, it's huge. Yeah. And we get the theater presentation, then Mike's presentation, then a week later there was election, and three of the five people that sat through all that were no longer on the council. And it's like, let's start all over. They forgot everything we just told them. Just from the bottom line, we're really, we really want, we really want to see the fishing village survive and prosper. You know, you shouldn't every year just be making the effort to break even, right? Yes. And we would love to find a way to have that little carve out to help us do that. It's not like we're making an extra $200,000 by making these little tiny changes. It's literally, you know, if we lose an engine or something like that, it's so much more devastating. Like, we just don't have that type of cash flow to be able to support it. And we would like to, maybe in 30 years. So this is kind of the result of our approval of, or our suggestion to the council that they adjust the rates the way that they are now? And it's not anybody's fault. When you get those studies, it's a 10,000-foot view. But when you were down here in the weeds, you recognized that, yeah, there is an issue with the six-pack fishing fleet that, you know, their margins can't support something that drastic. So we have to look at all avenues to help offset some of that cost. But we need to gain it somewhere else to be a viable enterprise fund. Is there something that we can suggest to the city council that maybe they can take action on this? Yeah, we're working right now. I'm working with them as well as the tenant outreach group to come up with some solutions. But we're, I mean, especially if that's your advice to us, we're definitely going to figure something out. How many slips will there be for transient voters when we're done? 23, I do believe. I don't have that number in front of me. They kind of got to pay what you want. And I know you've done studies with other marinas and so forth. And, you know, nice places, not, you know, Billy Bob's tie-up overnight. Correct. But something like Sarasota and Naples offset some of that revenue there. And perhaps with some of the recreational tenants that are there as well. Because, I mean, that's, let's face it, that's play money. You sit and watch somebody put $5,000 worth of gasoline in a quad engine outboard. You know, what's a couple of hundred bucks a month for slip rent? Yeah, and we're also working with, you know, the fuel pricing, looking at just a monthly invoice. I think we're going to have the capability with the new marine and the new fueling system to do that. Which, you know, right now, you know, I get a fuel drop. And during the peak season, I'll get one every other day, you know, 7,500 gallons of fuel. And to cost that was, especially during some times of the volatility of the cost of the fuel coming in. Sure, yeah. Trying to price that where I want to price that for the commercial fleet. There's been times for three or four days where I'm actually selling it for less than I bought it for. So I always have to set it kind of high so I don't run into those issues. But when I'm doing it at a monthly rate, I can average my cost over that and then give them a percentage off of that. It would be easier for us. It would be cheaper for the commercial fleet, too. Do you know what the price you're charging right now? We're not selling fuel currently right now. Oh, we're not even? No. But the last price index I saw yesterday, I think it was 312 for gas and 299 for diesel. On marine? Just out of Tampa. National average right now is 294. Yeah. But this was the price out of Tampa where the fuel's purchased. Okay. Yeah, REC 90 on the water right now is going for 5.25, 5.15, 5.35. Oh, I miss those days. So you're going to work with the city council as far as is that a motion we should put through or you don't need that directly? If you're just advising me to continue to work with the six-pack, I'll continue to do that. We don't want to lose you. And take a look at, you know, you mentioned a monthly billing. If a two-week billing cycle would work better or six-week to be able to balance, I'm sure the fleet would, you know, would work with you there to, because it's going to be in everybody's best interest. You won't have to explain why you sold diesel fuel for less. They get billed monthly for the slip rent, so it'd just be easy to put the fuel into that. I'm not trying to suggest business stuff, but, you know, look at everything. Absolutely. I just think specifically, like, recognizing, like, having it said out loud that the six-pack group should be a carve-out. It would help so much because I think that that's where we just haven't, they're like, oh, well, this is what it said, and commercial is typically one point whatever more than this, and so everybody. And it would just be so great to have it recognized that, like, hey, this little group of people is just, their business model is just so, so different. And I just think we haven't had that support, like, visibility, so it could even be supported in the past. And so we just appreciate the time, you know, and we're happy to share anything. If you have any other questions, like, we will open our books. We have really built great relationships between the businesses down there where I think 10 years ago you'd say it was fairly competitive or five years ago even, and we've worked really hard to start sharing real information and really helping each other try to be as fiscally smart as possible and all of those aspects where you do better if you have, you know, more friendly relationships like that. We're a tight-knit waterfront community. And truly building it versus truly looking at each other as competitors. And it has really helped, I think, a lot, but, like, these, like, kind of sweeping changes where we're just kind of lumped in really impact us so much. Sure. Yeah, because even, like, our increase of 170%, even just put a 170% increase to Calypso or Startup, that's going to hurt them, and that's a bigger, and they got, they make more revenue than us. But a 170% increase in their bills each month. They'll hurt even enough of those businesses. And just imagine us, it's going to be crushing. There's already guys trying to figure out how to get out. Out altogether. They can't afford it. I mean, when you can't even afford to operate the Marina Tenant Council dues a month, you know what I mean? Like, that's just small margins. They're just so small margins. And one of the guys has been fishing down here for 30 years, 40 years, he's had a boat for the Marina, and he has no clue. How old is he? How old is he? Yeah. Six. Well, that's where I was going. You've got guys aging out, like myself. You've got guys that, you know, and then it's like, well, okay, the storm, okay, now the rent's going up. You know what? I'm out. But he also has in line a captain that he's trained to take, you know, like sit back. But now he doesn't even make sense. Doesn't have to do the driving. He can't sit back and hang out unless you have to be an owner or operator. You have no choice. Hopefully that guy will bring that business along where he can end up buying the boat from. And it's tough. It's hard. We definitely hear you. And I think we're all, you know, Mike, you've got a good guy right there to be in charge of stuff. So he's all right. Yes. He's one of those. Let's not, like, you guys are going to make our lives a little harder. We're a little, I need this, Mike, to do some dancing with Matt. Well, please keep us updated on the progress. Yeah. Well, we're happy to share anything that you all ever need. So we appreciate the time that you take to think about it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We need to hear from someone on the Beach Marina Reconstruction Project. Good morning, members of the council. My name is Kelly Petrich. I'm the engineering division manager for the public works department. Just kind of give you a brief update on the Beach Marina. So currently right now with the marine work we have going on, we have Orion Construction has finished all the pile and floating docks installation this week. The crane work has been completed. They are loading the material barge and we'll be sending the crane to the Tampa yard to the maintenance between the phases. And they're currently detailing continues on the fixed and floating docks. This consists of timber bracing cleats, caps, and dock boxes. I don't know if everyone is aware, but we currently have found an obstruction. It's out here on the final pier here at the sea dock. This obstruction is actually below the mud line that we were trying to put in the last piling, the last pier. It's about 25 by 50 feet. We're not sure if it's Winnebago or what exactly. We actually had a sonar crew that was out Tuesday, but they were unable to get a clear reading of the obstruction just because they said it was too far below the mud line. So we're looking at other options to find out what's there. One of the other options at Orion Construction is they're planning on doing basically a large punch through the obstruction with a very large hammer that they're looking at bringing out. But I know Mike and the crew would definitely like to find out the exact location of this obstruction. Like I said, it's about 25 by 50 feet to kind of get a better idea. So we've got to look at some other options. They determined it's metallic? We just know it's maybe concrete. We're not sure. It could be a rock. It can't get through, definitely. So we're not sure exactly what it is yet. So we're hoping to get some other ways to test it. But it's definitely below the mud line. And we're pretty sure we're able to punch through, but we definitely would like to figure out what's down there for future use for the marina and be able to put pilings and things like that. Is there anything historical about it? I mean, something occurred way back when? The only thing that we can maybe think of is maybe during the construction of the Beach Marina building or the original pier, maybe concrete or something during the construction, that maybe they dumped it off there. We're not really sure what it could be. Have you asked anything of any of the old-timers that might have knowledge of that, that have been around? I have. I have. And they don't know. No. One of the suggestions I got could be something from the military back in the 40s or 30s or something. Well, I was going to say, based on the size of it, it could be because there was a big Marine Corps training base for the Amtraks. Mm-hmm. That would be cool to find one of those. Yeah. I'm curious. Who did you ask? I talked to Bill Morris. Okay. And I also talked to some of the old-time captains down there. Okay. Did you talk to Bob Ress by chance? I did not. Okay. Do you mind if I ask him? He might know. Feel free. Okay. This is holding up just one piling? Yeah. It won't affect the transition of the phase over. It's something we'll definitely have to deal with, but it's not going to affect the switch over from phase one to phase two. Okay. On that. So, worst-case scenario, we'll just take care of it in phase two direction. But, yeah, Orion should have something to at least punch through to get that final pairing soon. As far as the electrical work for the project, the main power inspection has passed. So, Duke Energy will be powering the switchgear in about three to five days. Buell Electric Construction is working to energize docks DE and the sight lights soon after. So, we will have lighting out there shortly. C has the longest feeder runs and will follow after. And all sight rough-ins are complete at this point. As far as the upland work right now, the concrete crews are working to make pours every day until it's complete. We do expect them to wrap up before Christmas. And all the site furniture will be scheduled to deliver the week of Christmas. And the install will actually start immediately. We also have the gangway access platforms are not complete, but also expected before Christmas. But we're also working with our design team on some of the ADA parking stall elevations. They're currently not in compliance, so we're still working on getting those up to ADA compliance. We also will shortly, you'll be seeing delivery of the temporary kiosk will shortly be gone. They're all completed, so now they're going to start coming in on site and being placed out there. So, we're barring any issues right now, we're looking to turn over the whole project for Phase 1 and switch over all the boats to be ready by the first week in January. So, that's kind of the timeline we're working at at this point. And as far as we know right now, we're still good for the Phase 2 completions. And we're going to work, of course, engineering and Orion Construction and Coquelacus are all going to work on making sure we get that schedule tight enough to finish on time. Excellent. Anybody have any questions? No, I told the group earlier, I said some friends on Thanksgiving took the Sea Scream route and were able to get in and out. They said they didn't have any problem parking, any problem finding the boat or getting out. You know, Italian people said they were not even familiar with the area. So, that was something I concerned of. You pull in there, stranger, you'd been there 10 years ago and nothing's where it was before, at least for now. So, just a good report on it. Yeah, I've been out there. It's an amazing facility. The docks are really sturdy. It's really impressive being aluminum docks. And we got a really, it's an unbelievable product. I've been really happy with the finish and everything. It's going to be, I think everyone's really going to love it when we get it opened up. Yeah, it looks like it's really going to be, you know, very physically attractive, beautiful layouts, wide boardwalk areas and so on. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's going to be definitely a huge improvement. I think it's really going to attract a lot more people out to the area. Absolutely. For the marina. And then, of course, with phase two, some of the major things we have is that the floating fuel building will be installed. So, that's going to be exciting to see that get constructed. And we'll finish off the rest of the increase of the seawall and the rest of the slips and everything will be done for phase two. Excellent. Good. Do you have a guesstimate of when fuel will be available? That would be more, Mike. I'll get into that in the director's report. Thank you. Thank you. Harbor Marina Repairs. Oh, okay, he stays there. Roll right into it. Okay. As you know, this project has been divided into basically two separate projects, which would be the south end, which has already been designed, and also the north end. As far as the update for the south end, that is out for bid. Actually, you'll see it on OpenGov today for December 10th for our bidders to be able to bid that. So, we're actually looking at a tentative, hopefully get on the council date then for March 2nd. So, we'll be able to award the final bidder on March 2nd, get them on board, get them an NTP. We're imagining we really want to push them and get that done before the next storm season. We're kind of looking maybe between, you know, three to six months for the construction. So, we're hoping to get all this construction to south end done by the next storm season to brace for that. As far as the north end, so the update on that is we're looking at the 90% design drawings to be completed before the end of January, January 23rd or so. And then our designer told us it'll be about one more month we're looking at to get the actual 100% constructed drawings. And then, so, we'll be able to start the bidding process then shortly after we're looking in March. And that's usually about a 90-day process to go to council and get a bidder on board, which would put us in kind of the June time frame. And then, again, that'll be six months. We're seeing a similar time frame for the construction for the north side. So, we're hoping by, you know, by the end of the year, we'll have the north side then of next year. So, that's kind of the time frame for both sections of Harbor Marina. Anybody have any additional questions? Kelly, when did you say the NTP for the south end? Oh, the south side? Let me look at my schedule again. We're trying to get right now, based on the bidder schedule and everything and our review time, what procurement has told us is that we'll get time to review everything, look over the estimates, and if we get a good bidder, then we'll go ahead and select them, and we're looking to get on the March 2nd council date. And that includes a 30-day time frame after the bidder's award. We have to, for any kind of, there'll be any kind of grievances by other bidders or anything. So, that's part of that process. But, yeah, we're looking at the March 2nd council date. And then, March 5th, it'll be approved, and then we get them a purchase order. So, you're looking middle of March, probably get them an NTP. So, March or the NTP on that? All right. Yeah, so we're excited to see which bidders are out there. There's some really good firms that we hope we'll be able to get. All right. So, it is a low bid process, but it's based on qualifications. So, we'll get a good contractor out there. Are you also our person for the Seminole Boat Ramp Repair? Yes. Okay. Keep you busy. Yeah. Yeah. A lot going on. So, yeah, so we just poured the last slabs there recently for the phase two part. So, that should be opening up in the next week or two. Oh. And so, we're pretty much done with both sections now for that. And then, there is, of course, the second phase that we're going to be doing, which is more into the water end, because this is just repairing the ramps, of course. It's the concrete there. And then, the gator docks for this portion of it. So, that'll be complete. And then, we'll have to go back out for bid and get a bidder on for the rest of the water side of it. Oh, I didn't realize it was going along that quickly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a really good end product, too. I think all the builders will be really happy with the new ramps and everything. And when they do the submerged portion, they'll have to dam off the entire ramp area, correct? Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, it'll be a similar shutdown, but it'll be phased. So, we will have two ramps open at all times. Really? How? Because, I mean, they'll have to put sheet files out there and keep the water out and pump it out, right? Well, yeah, we'll just close that out separately. So, we'll shut two ramps down. Do all the construction for that end. Right. And then, we'll get that opened up and then do it very similar to how we're doing the upland work. Okay. Cool. That's great. And I've run out of items for you. All right. Well, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you, Kelly. Mr. Director. Yes, sir. Do you have something to tell us? Yeah. So, I wanted to go over the performa because it kind of ties into what the tenant group was speaking on today. And so, we've completed the full financial performa for the Marine and Aviation Department Enterprise Fund to ensure long-term sustainability, especially with the $46 million Beach Marina reconstruction. The analysts looked at all revenue streams, operating expenses, debt services, and our future capital requirements across the Beach Marina. The performa confirmed with the updated market-supported slip rates based on the Walter Duke appraisal. The Enterprise Fund remains structurally balanced over the long term. It supports ongoing operations, future maintenance, hurricane resiliency, and the debt service tied to the Beach Marina project. It also demonstrates that the Enterprise Fund can maintain appropriate reserves, absorb project cost increases, and continue delivering services without drawing on the city's general fund. In short, the performa validated the updated rate structure is responsible, sustainable, and necessary to ensure the Marine and Aviation system remains financially strong for years to come. I plan on presenting this performance to you guys at our next meeting, which is going to be March 18th now, due to the voting that's going to take place. We're pushing our next meeting back a week. Oh, okay. So, you'll get information on that, which is going to be March 18th. So, the third Wednesday. Yeah. You guys know that, you know, we're still talking about the rate increases. Council only approved the initial rate increase, and they didn't approve. They wanted more discussion, and they wanted to see it perform and everything. And also working with the six-pack vessels, we'll be able to bring that back to you guys and have further discussions on that. Okay. Do you have any questions over that? Over that, no. No. So, the performance of the rate study is exactly where we need to be to stay sustainable as an enterprise fund and not take money from the general fund. The next thing that I want to talk about is the kiosk. As you all know, the kiosks are coming in, and those are going to be leased to our tenants. Good morning, Aaron Braley, division controller for marine and aviation, do all the accounting. So, kind of what we're looking at as far as pricing out these kiosks for our tenants are, it's kind of a split rate structure. So, for the first seven years, the first 84 months, it would be $350 a month. That kind of recoups the costs of each individual kiosk that's being rented. And then for the remaining useful life of that kiosk, it would be $100 a month for the tenants. And that would help for maintenance and upkeep on our side. What kind of life do they have, do you think? What they told us was about 20 years, but they're also only warrantied for one year. So, that's why the lease is kind of front-loaded to make sure that we can reduce our costs. You know, being an enterprise fund, we have to be able to be viable. So, for any feedback or advice that you guys might have. It'll be interesting to go down there and see them. They've already started arriving? They haven't started arriving yet, no. Soon. Soon, no. Yeah, they're completed. You said by Christmas, I think you said. Yeah. How many are rented? There's going to be 24 kiosks. There's going to be 24, but are they all rented? Yes. Yes. They were. Actually, it was kind of desired that we had even more of them. Is this a change to the cost structure for commercial guys, or is this what they were paying somehow before? Before, they had their own kiosks that were out on the dock, which is not permitted by code anymore. That's okay. So, the original design plan called for structures there, and that's not allowable through the FEMA. So, it is a new cost for them. So, we had to go to a kiosk, something that's removable. They're basically the same, aren't they? Yes. They're the exact same. And some of the stuff that was down there was kind of like a piece together. Yeah, right, right, right, right. With an extension cord. The only thing that's different is the door placement, because we had to, the way they're pouring the seam in, it's going to be ADA compliant. Yeah, so some of the doors are on the side, some of them are in the back, some of them are right side, some of them are left side. So, and comparing what they, what the majority of our tenants have currently, they're kind of key on, I mean, before the marina construction started. Most of them were little open air structures that they weren't being built for. Yeah, grass hut. Exactly, and there were only a few of them that had legitimate quote-unquote offices that they were charged for, and this is a different new structure. So, the fact that they're removable, I've always thought was really great, whoever came up with that idea a couple years ago. But in any event, so when a storm approaches, what's it going to take you to get all 24 of them out of there? Two days, five days, two weeks? It shouldn't take that long. They're designed to break away pretty easy, and you're able to lift them up with a forklift. So, really, it's just getting them on a flatbed and taking them. Right, 24 of them. Sounds like a bunch. So, probably a day, a day and a half. They'd go to the airport. Is that where they're going? Yeah. Like a cover space? Well, you couldn't be covered spaces because there'd be planes there. Well, I haven't spoken with the, you know, Fly USA on it yet, but usually those airplanes leave. In the past, we put some of our stuff in the hangars because they have craft leaves, so we can. Yeah, they make a run. That's true. They can run for it. Yeah, so we'll find some storage there. Those kiosks will have to be rated anyway, won't they? They are rated, and they're, yeah, they're permitted by the state. Yeah, they can sit at the airport. Yep. It reduces the chances of flooding, and they're not actually. Have you figured out some rules as to when you'll move or not? I mean, do you leave them there for a cat one or two, but not a three, four, five? Yeah, no, so to get the variants from the flood board, anytime there's a named storm in the area, we have to remove them. Any named storm. Yep. Okay. All right, super. Interesting. I think you're going to get good at it. Yeah. Got it. Let's open it up. Anything else? Yeah. Super. Great question. You guys want to talk about moving phase one to phase two at the Beach Marina? No, I think we're pretty, are we clear on that, of what they're going from one to two, or what it's going to take? Kelly's the first week of January. You're talking about shifting. Yeah. This is going to be shifting all the boats and doing all that. Yep, just moving everything over. And then there's a question about the fuel earlier, and I said I'd talk about that in my director's report. Basically, what we're doing is the same system that we have now on the south side, we're moving it to the north side. The issue that we have right now, I'm sorry, on the east side, is the pumps that we purchased were not certified by the state, so the state said you can't pump fuel. So when they do the move, they're going to take those and put some state-certified pumps on there, so we'll be back to pumping fuel. Okay. And when was that? I'm sorry, I missed that. I'll work with the tenant group. It sounds like they'll be ready for the shift over the first week of January, so we'll give them a good time frame for them to vote. A question I had for you, if we're moving on, the question of membership here on the board and how close we are to struggling to have a quorum, I think we just made it today, I think, with four. We know that the doctor, always afraid to say his last name and slaughter it. I think he resigned. I'm going to have to go back and double-check on that. Someone gave him my contact information, he called me, and we didn't talk any business or anything. He just felt that having just relocated, even though he was a boater, relocating from San Diego to here, he knew nothing what we were talking about. And he felt not left out, but not contributing. And I told him a lot of us were like that when we first came aboard, but I think he did resign then. Is that true? I think so. I'll have to go back and look. Okay. Mike, I know that – I'm sorry, go ahead. I thought you were – Well, just – no, just that a lot of our board members have been recruited by other board members, and if you know people that are – that can help us – Well, that's what I was just going to mention. I know when I applied for this, Trish McDonald also had applied for – Trish Rodriguez, I'm looking at you. We might approach Trish and see if she is still interested because she did throw her hat in the ring at the same time I did. And, of course, I think she would be a good fit and a good representative. Well, I think we – so we have at least one spot open. I think so. We'll have to go back and double-check. Okay. But I'll work with the clerk's office. Okay. And, yeah, on the board, if that proves true, anybody you know that might be interested – Trish is – they have the ferry and tropics. Right. Is that right? So nine years we've had one meeting where we sat here and then went home because – and why we started asking for RSVPs. It used to be just assumed everybody would be here until we had that one time that we all got here and had to go do – you know, go get some breakfast. How many – I don't know off the top of my head. I'm thinking it was six. Yeah, I think there's seven. Yeah. There should be seven members, so – If there is a whole – I mean, could you approach Trish? How would we do that? I'll work with the clerk's office. She might have – she might already have applications on file. Okay. I think she did. I don't know. I think she – Okay. So – Oh, if you know anything about – I said about the Sea Screamer – do you know anything about this woman that recently drowned on Shell Island? There was a report of a body found on Shell Island and there was – oh, that – oh, see, I'm thinking RS, all the way down to Shell Island. Yeah. It was like a news report and then a week went by and no one said anything else about it. I thought you might know something. I asked the members. Interesting tidbit, and I wish I had brought his card in doing – now and then I just get this urge to go walking docks. And I had never really been on the docks on the Clearwater Yacht Club. And we know that there's a long going – if – why we push the St. Stevenson Creek people on the manatee thing. And because if we could put a no-wake zone somewhere in Clearwater, it would more likely be adjustment to the one behind Island Estates with those wake boats, but also that whole back area where the Clearwater Yacht Club is. And somebody insinuated me that they were looking to put in a fuel dock and that they would really need it. And I talked to the – they call him the admiral or whatever of the yacht club. Commodore. The Commodore, thank you. And he knew nothing about them putting in a fuel dock or anything like that. So it kind of lowers the priority, I thought, of saying, well, first, yes, we should adjust the wake zone in there. And we should talk about that sometime in the future. And I believe one of our members is on the board, like Mr. Stevenson Creek here, is on the board because his boat's continually battered by these wake boards. But I was always surprised that that back channel where the Clearwater Yacht Club is is open running and something we would address. But it kind of drops in priority to me if they're not actually putting in a fuel drop. I don't know where that rumor came from, but he said there's nothing like that going on. So I just thought I'd mention that. And you know anything about that boat fire in Madeira? I had no follow-up news on that either. I thought I just figured you were tapped in all the way up and down the channel. So I'll just keep searching for those because that looked a little iffy. Yeah. And if you're going to, don't burn your boat. If you're going to, my good friend, and Mark Benedict, he was a resident at the airport for years. He's the one that landed his commander on Keene instead of at the airport because his fuel shut down. And then his replacement commander, right after inspection, dropped a shear pin in his front landing wheel, and he stuck it in the ground there. And even though he's an adjuster for GEICO insurance, or was at the time, he's retired now, they said, you're going to go somewhere else to get your insurance. So he got rid of his planes and salvaged them out. But they, I'm sorry, I kind of lost my track there. Where was I going? The plane, the plane, the shear pin. About your friend? Well, the shear pin, yes. But there was a moral to that story of why I brought up Mark Benedict. I'm sorry? Don't burn your boat. Oh, don't burn your boat. Oh, convinced me never to think about any kind of fraud with insurance companies. He says, we walk in and we almost instantly know exactly what happened. Proving it might be a different matter. But arson, fire fraud, anything like that, fake car accidents, anything like that, is not something that you're going to get away with, especially if you decide to do it on a windy day. And we're assuming maybe that that was what happened. I don't want to imply any guilt to anybody. I don't know whose boat it was. I just know that Mike's connected to everybody. He might have some info on it. All I'll say is ignorance is bliss. That's right. I always stole my fuel. Yes. No one ever told me that was dangerous. For the record, I'm not on the, I have nothing to do with the SCAG group other than the fact that I live within their communication area. Yeah. And I think the docs are silly, but that's just me. And I don't think with the difficulty of putting in a fuel station and the EPA all regulations and anywhere near the water and the expense of it, I can't see it clear or a yacht club or Harlowell or anybody else. It's going to be amazing. We're running long, but I got a phone call. I had three 1,000-gallon gasoline tanks and a $2,000 diesel tank right on Prescott or Erie Harbor in Erie, Pennsylvania. And my boss called me at 5 o'clock in the morning and said, get your ass down here. And the front of our docks was just lined with gasoline residue. And there was a bit of a nor'easter blowing in, which blew it into our corner and was just overpowering. And, of course, I had to show them the fire marshals there. I had to stick all my tanks and show them that the readings still match the readings that I had done. Every morning, every night, I had to stick those tanks. But here, the marina at the end of the pier was converting over to a restaurant. And they had a 4,000-gallon fuel tank, gas tank. And to get rid of the fuel in there so they could remove the tank is really expensive. So they thought if—and three-quarters of it was water. So they thought if we just put a pump down the bottom, you know, the water's always at the bottom. Let's suck the water off the bottom. So they borrow from a city worker this, like, 3,000-gallon-per-minute pump, or exaggeration, but this heavy-duty pump, which just sucked everything out of the tank and threw it into the bay, and it blew into our corner. The kid went to jail, I mean, like, for eight years. Could no longer be the guy that owned forever. Could it be on the liquor license? They had to give it to his sister. And so moral of the story is fraud doesn't work. Don't do it. There are still so many underground tanks in this county from where gas stations used to be that nobody even knows. And any other board members have something to throw in there instead of our reckless stories? I believe that this meeting should be called to adjourn. Is there a motion? I'll make a motion to adjourn. And a second. Second. Adjourned. December 10th. Meeting of the Clearwater Marine Advisory Board is adjourned.