Speaker sign-ups will be accepted after an item has been called. Please show respect for others and refrain from making impertinent, slanderous remarks or personal attacks. Boisterous behavior, including applause, booing, and cheering is not permitted. Thank you for joining us. The meeting will begin shortly. Okay, guys, you ready? Would everybody grab their seats, please? Would everybody please grab a seat? Pretty, please? We got a quorum? We have two out of ten. Two out of ten. Two out of ten. Two out of ten, yeah. Would the Broward Sheriff's Office please arrest anybody that's not sitting down, please? Yeah, we're ready. Let's go. Yep, we're late. I'm going to rush it now. Is today the 16th ready? Good morning, everybody. Today is June 16, 2026. Welcome to the Broward County Commission meeting. And we're going to go through the Pledge of Allegiance. Everyone, everybody, please rise. And I'm going to have, because this is one of the last few meetings he'll be here. I'm going to have Mr. Myers. And then, no, he's here until November. And Mr. Myers, lead us into the Pledge of Allegiance. I'm leaving, too. Mr. Myers, that was incredible, the way you led everybody. You know, it was incredible. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, customer reserve of modem of silence. And honorable, notable persons from our community who have recently passed. I'm going to go around the dais. See if you want to honor anybody. Anybody? Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. Commissioner Davis and Commissioner Rogers, are you on the phone? Going once? I'm on the phone. I'm on the phone. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Okay. If you want to interject at all, just let me know if you want to recognize anybody. Otherwise, we're going to let us also honor all the brave men and women who have served and continue to serve in our armed forces, both here and abroad, and thank them for their service. Pause for a moment of silence. Thank you. Can you please take your seats? We've got a very, hopefully, a very short, regular agenda here, and I wanted to first get some general counsel. We need to identify our canvassing board representative for the summer primary and a special plantation election. The county attorney informs me that the mayor is the county commission's representative on the canvassing board unless the mayor is unable to serve. And since I am unable to serve under administrative code, the roll passes automatically to the vice mayor if he's able to serve. Vice mayor, can you serve? Yes, I can. Okay. The county attorney also informs me that I should appoint an alternate member or members. Is anyone willing to volunteer? I'll be an alternate. You'll be an alternate. Okay. Can we give you two of them? Yeah, two. Can we have two alternates, council? Do we go for three? Maybe the whole board. Okay. So I'm going to recognize Lamar Fisher and Michael Udine as alternate members on the canvassing board. Okay. That business is done, right? Was that a really good, it was a scripted, did I do the script well? Okay, great. I want to take literally 60 seconds to, they have some pictures for when we went to Japan and Taiwan. We signed our first agreement and then the whole goal is to see about monetizing the agreement and I'll know in a couple months how we can monetize the agreement with our business community. And I was signing an agreement with the mayor of Punggung County in Taiwan, Taiwan being our fourth largest trading partner. And do we have those quick pictures because they're pretty, they're not best pictures. Mike? Oh, they're up there. Okay. There's one. Keep going. There we go, next, next, next, next, next. And then we gave the key to the county and I think it's, and hold it, the gentleman in the middle is from the State Department. I don't know who invited them, but the State Department and then we had some other people from sister cities and from Florida that came there. But otherwise, again, I talked with Sandy Michael McDonald. I think we're on the same page and we're going to see how we can monetize this so we show that we're helping our community, our business community and I'll get back on August on that. That's it. Get rid of that picture. Thank you. What are you clapping for? I can't even get over it. Welcome to Zoom for government. Enter your meeting ID followed by pound. Okay, everybody enter your meeting ID, please. Push pound. You have not entered any numbers. Oh, come on. This is our $8 billion telecommunications system. You entered 1-6-0. This meeting ID does not exist. Okay, no more meeting IDs. Okay, second, we're here regarding the spirit building. I passed out something. I want to let everybody know what happened yesterday. We had a meeting here yesterday with the people from Siskovich, Monica and her team. To see how we could, is there a way to save more money if we move forward. And as you see from down here, instead of having big, huge offices, which we don't need, and we have standard offices, we reduce the office building from 100 and something million to 70 million. This is, and the people from Siskovich are here. These were all not exact numbers, but guesstimate numbers. And basically it comes down to 274 million, 600,000. So basically we added, we saved, if you look at the white sheet here, I'm just summarizing. We saved basically 300, nearly 350 million, not 200 million. We would save $350 million. I'm happy to have Monica go through this and show you how now we just, instead of taking the original numbers, which are bigger offices and everything, now we have a point of saving 350 million. And I just think that's important of taxpayer money that we can save. And it's a huge amount of money. And it would go a lot for affordable housing and a lot for a lot of other programs here. But you're holding up a sheet. Yes, sir. Just whenever you get a chance to Monday night, Tuesday morning memo, this is item two. Yes. Okay. I just wanted to, and just to open the item whenever you're ready. I know those were preliminary comments, but just wanted to. Okay. So, okay. So let's, we'll do the Tuesday morning memo and then we'll come back to this real quickly and then we'll move on to our next room. Go ahead. Real quick. Tuesday agenda memorandum. The following are submitted for your consideration. Consent items, none. Public hearing items, none. Regular items are one through two. I request the following withdrawals and other modifications. See the agenda and note the following additional information. Withdrawals or deferrals. Item one, deferred to August 20th, 2026 meeting. Other modifications. Item two, the board's consideration is based upon the item with the amendments, including the additional motion statements shown in additional material to A, submitted by the county attorney's office and adoption of budget resolutions shown in additional material to B and to C submitted by the office of management and budget. Move to consent, none. Additional material. Item two, A amendments and additional motion statements submitted by office of the county attorney. Item two, B exhibit four budget resolution for motion C submitted by office of management and budget. Item two, C exhibit five budget resolution for motion D submitted by office of management and budget. Item two, D memo to the board submitted by county attorney's office. Item 2A, motion to waive section 6.19 and 6.20 of the Broward County Administrative Code in the best interest of the county to permit the transaction describing motion B to B, motion to authorize county administrator to negotiate and execute agreements and take all actions necessary to acquire the property located at 1701 through 1741 Radiant Drive and 1730 Mariner Street, Dania Beach. 2C, motion to adopt budget resolution transferring funds for reserve within the general fund in the amount of $4,426,946 to provide partial funding for the potential purchase of the property. 2D, motion to adopt budget resolution transferring funds for reserve within the general capital outlay fund in the amount of $95,573,054 to provide partial funding for the potential purchase of the property. One member of the public has signed up to speak on the item. Okay, so I'm going to open item 2, right, Council, as it is. Monica, who did this, who typed this sheet out? Who drafted this? It's your staff. Isn't it your staff? The June 16, 2026 spirit meeting that was yesterday, and it was, who drafted this? Do you know? Okay. I don't know, sir. Okay. So there's words in here that I don't like, and I want to make sure everybody understands. It says that the bare bones spirit renovation, this is not. Do you have a copy of that? I don't even know what you're looking at. That's okay. It's probably from, it's fine. I want to show everybody. You've been to the building. Senator Rich, have you been to the building? No. Have you been to the building? Not. I have been in the building recently. I got it. It's okay. I don't know how many times you want me to say it's okay. You've not been there. I've been around. Okay. Have you been there? Have you been there? Okay. So today I want to spend three full minutes bringing the building to you. Okay. Back in the back. Let's bring the building. I just want you to see it's, it's actually 66, 12, 180 seconds. Can you go? So these are works. Okay. Fine. I just want you to see the, the workstations. This is how, this is just an example of one of the six floors. Keep going. Keep going. This is an, so they have offices there too. These are beautiful, brand new offices. Keep going. Another office. Keep going. Another office. This is a, this is a, just an outside area of their offices. It's not all workstations. Keep going. Continue. This is a, every floor I believe has a, a kitchen, which you obviously don't need, but every floor has this. Everything, again, this is the first floor when you walk in, this huge area for people to sit and eat. Keep going. This is just a quick 60-second video just to give you an idea of the quality of the building and the carpeting looks brand new. Everything there looks brand new and every floor is the same. You can see workstations that look brand new, carpeting, and there's offices also. You could move in. The plug is working. Air conditioning is working. Electric is working. If you had, obviously, we have to do things to the building, but that's ready to move in right now, according to them. Everything works, except there's, you have to call Comcast or Xfinity to get internet. The only thing that's not there is the internet. Everything else works perfectly. Again, if you didn't want, how many people, Monica, in, in, in one, in, how many people in your risk management have workstations versus offices? Off the top of my head, sorry, I don't know, but if I had to guess, we have roughly 40, some, 40-some folks in risk management, probably less than five have offices and the rest of them have Cuba. So they would be using these workstations anyway. It's not like all of a sudden we're pushing people to workstations. Do you have other departments with similar situations where some people have a couple offices and then there's workstations, right? That's correct. Okay. So I went through with Suscovitch, who gave us the original numbers, and I said, what if we put up 10 by 12 offices? You put drywall and doors, and you have to obviously move some vents for air conditioning and some lights, and we just had all 10 by 12 offices and got rid of everything, and they said we could bring the price down. And all these numbers here have to do with bringing the price down from what the original was down to $275 of the cost. So that's where I get we're saving nearly $350 million, $350 million versus the current project that's before us from administration is three quarters of a billion dollars. So I mean, I certainly am going to make a public known. I would never agree to spend three quarters of a billion dollars on a building. You guys can, I'm not going to, and we could save the public $350 million. I'm not going to say it again. So I wanted to do that. Now, we have item two, and according to council, it would be best that we do not take a vote today because we need all the members here. If it's going to vote, yes, we would need all the people here in person. So that's ideal. I'm saying it correctly, right? Just tell me yes. Yes. Okay. And unless we have five votes here now, I wouldn't have to do that. But based on talking to council, I would have to reschedule this. I'm going to defer this and reschedule for next week and have a special meeting next week. No, you're shaking your head now. Mr. Mayor, because we have people here, I think instead of deferring it, we should let the people here speak, and then we can take the vote next week. Fine. I'll let people, you know, that's fine. I just want to let everybody, unless, you know, we have one speaker? There are two speakers signed up. And I have some questions for an additional speaker. Okay. Who are the speakers? The clerk. Eleanor, Norena, and Joyce L. Davis. You want to come on up? Okay. Hi. How are you, Mayor? I am well. Good morning to you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioner, Commissioners, County Administrator. Before you start, I'm going to interrupt you. In the back, I want to make sure, if she's talking against what we're doing, cut the mic. Cut that mic. Cut the mic, okay? Go ahead. I'm joking. No. Thank you so much for having me here. I am representing the city of Daniel Beach as the mayor. This is a very sensitive item for us. I don't have to let you all know what's going on with property taxes in Tallahassee. We need every single dollar that we can save in the city of Daniel Beach. This proposed Spirit Airlines campus would represent a significant and long-term economic revenue loss for the city of Daniel Beach. I sat down with my CFO and city manager yesterday, and it would be $1.2 million in perpetuity. And I can understand that you're going to have a cost savings, but it would be a cost savings of one time, as opposed to being able to generate revenue in perpetuity for the city of Daniel Beach. I also wanted to say that the Spirit Airlines facility is not just a standard building office. This is a specialized space that was specifically designed to serve an airline headquarters and an aviation training center. We have specialized infrastructure and flight simulators that I have personally been on. The corporate layout is uniquely suited for an aviation industry, and so we would like to explore those options. I know that our city manager has been in contact with the Greater Fort Lauderdale Alliance, along with Kimco and other people, and there are interested parties who are interested in this turnkey aviation facility. So I'm asking for you all to look at the large picture of looking at the revenue that we would be able to generate in perpetuity and look at that long-term goal of bringing economic development jobs to the city of Daniel Beach this is the only facility that is like this in all of Broward County. So we would not be able to just, you know, it's not just regular office space. So we're asking you to not vote in favor of this, and I respectfully oppose the county's acquisition of the Spirit Airlines property because it would eliminate and be a reoccurring local development revenue when municipalities are already asking to be facing unprecedented fiscal uncertainty. So we need your support to support the city of Daniel Beach and bring huge economic development with another company that would generate revenue in perpetuity for our city and county. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Next. Okay. Yes. I had asked somebody to be here to speak. Mr. Swindell, can we call on Mr. Swindell? And can I ask him a question? He's not signed up. No, but I believe I have the right to ask him to speak. Any commissioner obviously could ask anyone to speak, but Mayor, you control the timing. I don't know. I like Bob Swindell. I just don't like what he's going to be coming here to talk about. I don't mean the timing as to how long. You're not recognized. Bob, I'll talk to you afterwards. Get out of here. No, come on up, Bob. I think it's fair. Mr. Mayor, so I have a question for Mr. Swindell, which is why I asked him to be here. Sure. Mr. Swindell, at the last meeting, I raised a concern based upon a prior conversation that you and I had had that I believe that you had indicated there were other people that were looking at this building because I'd said then, I think I've said this many times, my top priority is bring high-pay jobs to Broward, and if we could make this a corporate headquarters, either national, international, or regional, for a major company that would bring lots of high-paid jobs here, that was something that would be a factor, maybe not the only factor, but certainly a factor in my consideration. It is my understanding that you now have an opinion on that. Is that correct? And if so, what is that opinion? Yes, Senator. Thank you. Mayor, you approach us like a CEO of a corporation considering a relocation, right? You've looked at the space, but your drivers are exactly what makes us appealing to business as well. To have a 180,000-square-foot turnkey facility, we don't have that inventory available anywhere in Broward County right now, and that's what's made it so attractive. We've got two really strong candidates that we've worked for in the past that are actually competing with you with the bankruptcy court. They're already engaged with the bankruptcy court for this building. I've got a third that's also pursuing it. Don't know the company as well. We've got six other. I've shared this with the county administrator, six other companies. We had a tech company that wants to put their headquarters there. Well, why, right? Because this was really designed as an aviation facility. They're like, we want to be embedded in a mixed-use hub like Danube Point. We've got retail. There's housing. There's hotel space. There's temporary housing. All those things that make it attractive to you guys, you're competing with business because it's such an attractive location. I think, and our team could probably measure this, but I think, and I mentioned this to the county administrator, if you think about new employees coming to Broward and then payroll being spent in Broward County, so the additional taxes generated by that, but customers of the stores, the restaurants, the retail, that's that Danube Point, and if they're bringing travelers in, we have, if I told you the name of the company, and Mayor, you have a strong suspicion probably, it's a global brand. You'd recognize them immediately. So if they're going to fill that building with employees that are new to that part of Broward County, I'm sure there's some Broward County residents that work for this company already, but again, you're looking at that turn of what they're spending in payroll and what's being spent that impacts our GDP as a county. It's a very attractive building, but to answer your question, Senator, and we talked about this the other day, two of these projects we have worked previously and did not have an appropriate facility for. One is aviation-related. We came really close, but to be honest with you, the finances and what you're looking at when you want to go to build a new governmental center, you guys can borrow at the best rates possible as a AAA bond-rated county, but other companies don't have that benefit, and when you look at the cost to build and the financing, it's stopped a couple of these projects in their tracks because they wanted corporate housing, they wanted the things that you've got at this facility. Mr. Swindell, based on everything you've said, do you have a recommendation for us? My recommendation would be, and it's interesting, I had a public relations firm reached out to me, they texted me, I don't know how they got my number, but they were talking about the image of the county competing with business for a facility like this, and they recommended to me that they could fix that for me. I'm like, we have a firm, I know this county commission, they're going to evaluate all the factors, and they're going to make the best decision, not only for Broward County, but for companies in the area. My recommendation is, I don't think it's a good look for us to compete with businesses that are going after the same building. I don't know that we could win as a county because they can be a little more nimble, maybe, with a bankruptcy court, but this is the most valuable asset that Spirit has, and so it's going to be highly sought after, and they will get the highest dollar they can get for this building and the whole campus. And do you recommend, I believe, in conversations with the county administrator that you had said something like that you would recommend that we not pursue this because you believe that there will be a private, large private company, maybe you don't know which one, that would come in and benefit the Broward County economy? Yeah, I know there's three that will be directly competing with you for this space. But again, I go back to the additional economic impact of those new employees spending money in Dania Point, supporting those retailers and restaurants, and I know that the county employees would do the same, but we've already got those folks spending money in our county. We're looking at bringing additional people in, and that's why I think it would be a bad decision to take this off of the inventory for commercial use. And trust me, I get that there's no inventory out there. I understand the frustration with that. I deal with it on a regular basis. Any other things? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm done. I have two questions for you. Yes, sir. Has your opinion changed since the first time you spoke to Senator Geller, or is it the same? Because Senator Geller said this at our last meeting, so I'm wondering why you brought him up to say the same thing again. I haven't had that conversation. Because instead of my saying what he said, I wanted him to say what he said. Okay, so nothing's changed. I've not expressed an opinion like that. Okay, so let me ask you a question. This is you're making a recommendation to us as elected officials. As your economic development organization, yes, sir. Right. Do you think which weighs more, saving the public $350 million or getting high-paying jobs in that building? Because you're talking a tax base. Excuse me. You brought up tax base. Tell me, based on your recommendation, what kind of tax revenue would we get from that versus the savings of $350 million? Because I assume you're saying that will benefit more than $350 million. Have you done that analysis? I've not done that analysis. That's one of the things I mentioned that we could do the analysis on. What would be the impact of new to Broward employees? No, no, I'm just... You made a recommendation based on... You talked about tax, about tax. And so you're getting in front of us making a recommendation without doing any analysis on how much tax revenue we would generate from putting a corporate entity in there versus saving the public $350 million. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay, thank you. Sure. Whoever's contact me, we'll go start with him and come around this way. Okay. So just a couple things. And I've spoken to some of the companies too that are talking and that want to look at this building. And I'm assuming that there would be some interest in this building. And if we're interested in it, other people are interested in it. It's a valuable piece of property and that's why people are looking at it. I'm not as sure as the length and depth of the corporate reloads that'll go there. but that's the wonderful thing about this process is that if you become a bidder on this thing, I'm not saying you definitely get it, but you're in the game to do it. And if we help Dania if we raise the value of this piece of property, that's A. Okay? I'm not here to give corporate welfare to a corporation that wants to come buy this property by saying we're not here. Trust me, and I've heard from this dais before that we're not going to get it, we're not going to bid enough, we're not going to be there. Our numbers should be out there. It should be a number that we feel comfortable with. Before you came today, and I appreciate everything you did and I'm glad you were there, we were still at $200 million savings with Ziskovich's original numbers, which when they were tasked by staff, they said, put that building in the Dania Point building and give us the same exact thing, and it was still a $200 million savings. I know it can be much more, you know it can be much more, but even $200 million, a lot of money to save. Dania Point makes a very, in my opinion, impressive argument. I agree with their argument, but when you save, if you can save taxpayers $250 million on one side, there's a way that we can make Dania Point whole, you know, with any kind of tax revenue that they're looking at. Plus, I don't think there's been a study on how valuable that land becomes if there's now another thousand employees that are there full time. I think that we should stay in the game here. I think if there's corporations that want to bid for this property, they should bid for this property. They may beat us, in which case we take our ball and we go home. We may not be the stalking horse on this, but I'll say again, I do not think there's going to be five votes for three quarters of a billion dollars at the Gore property. I've said that before. And the other thing I will say is a lot of people think this is very fast. This is something that's happening fast. Well, that's because two months ago, the issue didn't appear. You know, we've dealt with this Gore property for, what, 10 years? Dealing with joint government meetings. It was going to be a joint center. It was going to not be a joint government center. We were going to go here. We were going to look there. It's been a multi-year, you know, five, six, seven, ten-year process. This is something that just came up. I think by anybody's imagination, by anybody's facts, we save $200 million right off the back. I think it's going to be much, much more than that. And this isn't a rehab of a building. Half of this building is, most of this space is ready to go. We have a risk management department. They had a risk management department. It's basically the same thing. We have a human relations department. They had a human relations department. And I know people will say, well, there's HIPAA things. There's this, that, and the other thing. When you tour the spirit building on the first floor where they have their HR in the back, they had a HIPAA area too because they have the same thing that we have. It's all very much the same. I think we should push this forward. If it takes another week to do it, we should be able to do it. And if somebody outbids us, we should shake their hand. And if we're the stalking horse bidder and somebody comes to us and says, I'm a new airline. I want to set up shop here. We could say, have at it. This doesn't mean we definitely have to buy it by becoming in the game here. And I think that there's a lot that can happen. If the alliance has a company that's a great company for Dania Beach and it works for the county, we should talk about it. Vice Mayor. I thought we were going... Nan, I don't know if you want to say it. Yeah, I do. First of all, I just want to mention, I totally agree with the mayor from Dania Beach, and I wanted to just mention the taxes that are paid by Spirit. Right now, this is this year's proposed taxes, is $750,688,000. And then the total ad valorem taxes and so forth that they pay are $2.8 million. So just so we know what the loss possibly could be for Dania Beach. I said this at the meeting, and I'm just going to repeat it. I think we need to put the brakes on. The idea that we're sitting here, some people are sitting here and saying, it's okay, oh, well, now we're not going to spend $600 million, we're going to spend $300 million or $250 million. We should be putting the brakes on everything right now. We are looking at a dangerous ad valorem tax issue on the agenda that could kill this county. I mean, you talk about affordable housing, this has nothing to do with affordable housing. Our whole, everything we would be doing would be cut. But all across the board, and I feel at this point that this is a horrible message to send to people, that we're willing to go out there and do this. When we own a piece of property already at $65 million, the Gore building, I mean, how much do we want to have here? And something would have to go if we got it. And this piece of paper, I'm sorry, having been in the building, carpet, drywall, all kinds of construction business, my family and myself. This is an estimated cost nobody knows. Nobody knows what the cost would be to renovate this building. Absolutely not. So I just feel like we're looking at something that's going to be so difficult for so many people in this county. Everything we care about in services can be gone or reduced dramatically. So for me, I am not going to support doing this. And even if we're saving, we're not saving. We're not saving $250 million. We're spending $250 million. And I'm not willing to do that. And by the way, we can pare down the Gore building plans, too. We can make the same kind of facility that we're talking about here. We don't have to have the big offices. We don't have to have a lot of the things that are in that building. What we do need is a child care center in that building, but we don't need all of this other stuff that we have there. And we could save several hundred million dollars in that building. Vice Mayor. Well said, Senator Rich. I agree with you. I agree with the mayor. I also do not want to be rushed into a decision. I think we've been planning a lot on where we want to go and how we want it to look. And at some point in the future, if we have to pump the brakes, we pump the brakes, but we have enough information to do that. Today, I think it's just a knee-jerk reaction. I would like to see us move forward, take the vote today. I don't want to kick the can another week. But I want to speak to this property. I was born and raised here. I've seen five renditions on that property. Investment, downturn, torn down, built something else. Investment, torn down, built something else. Investment, torn down, and built something else. When they were doing 595, the Grand Prix was relocated there. Before the Grand Prix, there was another rendition of what they thought would work at that property. And before that, Pirates World was there back when I was a kid. So it was a small template of Disney World, but that was part of it. So it wasn't roller coasters that he built. So Daniel has struggled with development based on my historical data. So we look at this $800 million investment. I'm going to read this, and I'm going to bring it in. The $800 million Daniel Point development has transformed Daniel Beach into a regional economic hub, driving massive tax revenues, job growth, corporate investment. The 102-acre mixed-use project has fundamentally reshaped the local economy through four main pillars, the revenue generation, the job creation, the corporate relocation, the mixed-use expansion. And if we take that opportunity away, we always turn to Bob Swindell when we're trying to validate a company coming here or re-evaluate the Panthers situation or who they bring to town to entertain, we go to Bob Swindell. But today, we're dismissing the fact, and I've had numerous conversations with Swindell because I wanted to know if there was any other interest in this property and there's nothing else like it. The development you see downtown today, I was very much a part of it. We are running out of space. There are no opportunities for big companies to come here because you don't have the mass, the land mass. Miramar does well in the industrial piece because they have all that land out there. And there are companies after companies. I see all of the tractors and the cranes going out there, bringing companies to town. We don't have that here. We have an opportunity with the initial investment we made for $65 billion across the street. I'm willing to keep going in that direction. But today, I want to pump the brakes. I want to take the vote, up or down, what we do, because we can keep changing the scenarios day in and day out. I don't do overnight projections. I work in this industry. I do a lot of time before I go out and say I can build something for X amount of dollars because typically what happens in the real world, I've got to eat that cost. But with us as a government agency, the $450 million or the $200 million or the $300 million is going to turn into twice the amount of money once we get in and realize it is not the space that we can utilize day one like has been said here. So I would like to see us pump the brakes. I think this is a great opportunity for our economy to keep growing in Dania. Dania has done well. The investments there, I think this is going to be one of the first projects that may last for perpetuity because of what they put there, what they put there to sustain that space. And if you go a step further, we can't do that at this footprint. We can't decide that we're going to stop and then bring a major corporation right here to Browell Boulevard on that footprint. That footprint works for us, and we purchased the property with the intent to do that. Dania Beach Point should be exactly what it was built to be and when it opened two years ago. It's a great building. It has a space. We're only talking about utilizing half of the space of this parcel. And we're talking about a piece in between that we can have a future building. Our future building is where we've already invested our time and our talents, and we can pump brakes on all of these projects if need be. But Dania Point, I ask, I urge my commissioners today, let's vote this up or down. The only thing I think that would be questionable today, a city attorney, I mean county attorney, is there are two members missing here today. How does that play out with a vote today? And I'm not trying to kill what we're doing. I want to make sure that what we're doing can be justified in the votes today. Yeah, these are extraordinary circumstances. The spirit issue came up on very short notice. We're dealing with bankruptcy court deadlines. We're also technically, we have a workshop today, but because we thought we were in recess for meetings, we have two commissioners who are out of the country. This board knows, I've been around for a while. I'm always very conservative in terms of whether remote votes should count. It would be my strong preference not to do a remote vote. I'm risk-averse. I always like that better, so it's better to do it in person. But if we had five affirmative votes, including remote votes, I think if the mayor thought that they were in order for these extraordinary circumstances, I think we'd be able to sustain it, that it would be valid, and that if there were a problem with it, that there would be some flexibility to fix it. I wouldn't say that but for these circumstances. I don't want the interpretation to come from one of us. I want the answer for you that we can do this with the makeup that we have today. We're two out of town or not being present to move this forward so that we can put this to bed or move this forward. I'm not moving it forward, Mr. Mayor. You're not recognized. So I wanted the legal opinion so that, because it seems like when we started this in the presentation of the mayor, it was because of the absences we couldn't do it, but we can do it. Yeah, the mayor knows, and every member of this board knows that I'm extremely reluctant to do so, but these are unique circumstances. They're extraordinary circumstances. And we can do it. And I believe that we would prevail in court if it came down to it. So the answer would be yes. But I also want you to know that the law is a little murky on this. There are old AGO opinions. They don't really cover it. Statute doesn't cover it. So my statement to you, my legal opinion, and so reinforced by my team, because we fought internally, is yes, we could do it, and our vote would be sustained in court if it came down to it. Yes. Thank you for that. With that, I urge us to vote this up or down. For sure. Thank you. Obviously, it's enticing to see this. And you see a property like that, and I can understand why it's attractive to those that support it. But I do have a problem of the optics at this time, particularly with the property tax looming. I mean, we may have to stay in this building for a while. No, that's just the reality of it, because we don't know what kind of money we're going to be having coming in on tax revenues. It may be that we may not have a choice, and I don't want us to get so far out ahead that we can't be coming back. We may have to stay here for years. Okay. But the last thing you want to do is, I think, showing the public that we're about to spend a whole lot of money when, you know, that just gives them reason to vote against, you know, that. The other thing is, and I've said this numerous times, you know, when I think of a county building, I have my own, you know, I think of like when you go to Okeechobee and you have the main building in the square or town as I've lived in, where it's the people's building, and it feels like it and it looks like it. I still would rather see that. The fact that where we're about to build, where we're going, is a cartographic center of the county seat. The corner of Andrews, Broward, right? That's, you know, north, south, east, west. That's the corner of it. Easy access, and I think access is a very important thing here. You know, people have to be able to, sometimes they have to come here, and you've got to make it so it's easy for it. The other part, and to Bob, I think I would like, if there's a chance of doing the analysis of showing the multiplier effect, what happens when you have 1,000 people spending money in a place? What does that turn into? Because the tax revenue is one part of it. The multiplier effect is by far the bigger aspect. And, you know, Daniel Point is, it's doing well, but it's still, you know, you don't want to take out from under it, you know, what's supporting it. Right across the street in the coming year is you're about to have a lot of development as well. So you're going to, you know, you're having a couple areas that are very dependent on that kind of multiplier effect to keep it going. So, you know, for those kind of things, I'm not inclined to be supporting this right now. I don't think it makes sense. I don't think the timing is right. And I think for a city like Dania and Hollywood, both are right on that line right there. This, you know, big industry right there, it makes a difference. It helps support it. Those kind of jobs are. And the fact that we might have another very big industry come in, you know, or business. I think, I don't think you want to take that away. I think we were on the right track with where we were going. I think it was the right place. I think it gives us the opportunity to build it the way we want. We can scale it down. We can do whatever we have to do. And we don't have to build it tomorrow. We have our choice. We can do what we do when it makes sense. But we need to send a message to the people in this county that we're not going to be, that we're not spending willy-nilly. And that we understand what's in front of them. And we're going to do the right thing. So that's where I'm thinking. Thank you. I do want to thank Mayor Bogan for doing all this. This is a lot of work. Thanks for letting us see it. I like what I saw in terms of that. I didn't think it was a government building. But I was glad to be able to see it. So thank you for that. And that's my thoughts right now. Commissioner. Thank you, Mayor. To Mr. Swindell and to Commissioner Udine, would you please share those companies that you have been dealing with and talking to? Because I think Commissioner Udine said he spoke to a couple of them. I just want to see the magnitude of the companies that, this is the only time I can ask you in public. If you can. If you can. Unfortunately, I'm on nondisclosure agreements with these companies. They can talk one-on-one, excuse me, one-on-one with commissioners if they choose to. It's, like I said, you know, hopefully after the time I've been doing this, you've got some trust in me. I wouldn't tell you that they weren't well-known, remarkable companies that were looking at this. And this pains me. I wanted to see who our competition was. This pains me because two of my commissioners that have been great business advocates, and you're approaching this like a business would, and that's why we're competing with business. This is a unique site in Broward County. So I can't disclose the company's name specifically, but I can tell you that they would be substantial. And trust me, we have worked with them in trying to cite them in Broward County previously. Commissioner Udine. I have been called by multiple companies and multiple different hedge funds. I don't think they were official, like, this is we want to do this and we might do this. But I think it's, you might want, I haven't had as much experience as Drew has had with bankruptcy. I mean, maybe they don't want Broward County to be in this bankruptcy game, but I have a feeling that it's, you know, for what everyone is saying, they want Broward County to be there for a lot of different reasons in this bankruptcy court. But, like I said, it's a free market, and if somebody outbids us, they outbid us. I understand. I just want, I just want to get to the companies. I want to see what the competition was. And I don't want to get into the bankruptcy world. I explained that several times to the commission. But time definitely, unfortunately, is not on our side, so we do need to make a decision very quickly. We're eight days away from notifying the bankruptcy court that we are intentioned to be a bidder or that we submit our stalking horse offer. So time is, again, not on our side. It is becoming time is of the essence for that. And I have said publicly that I'm bullish on this site. I have been from the beginning, especially when I wouldn't have visited it. But now I have grave concerns, basically from the memorandum that we received last evening from the attorney's office that concerns me to put the county a position that I don't know that we want to be in. I just want to bring it to light. Ms. Ashton, could you come forward? Because I know that you have been dealing with, and I talked to bankruptcy counsel day before yesterday, outside counsel, and got their feelings on a couple of other things. But what concerns me of this June 15th memo are several things. And I want the public to understand that Kimco is a national, international firm that owns and operates shopping centers, malls, developments such as Daniel Point. They're the developer, the master developers of that. And when you do a master development plan of mixed use, you create documents. You create rules and regulations. You create development agreements. You create all these rules and so forth. And it gives them much more power, and rightly so, because what they want to do is they want to kind of control what's in their development. They're spending billions of dollars developing this site. They want to make sure they protect their tenants that have in there today, the ownerships that are in there today. So I get that. But to the extent that providing rights to them kind of over even a city like Daniel Beach, and I say that because if you look in the restrictions, you look in the guidelines, in order to even get a variance on something that you might want to do with the site, you have to go through them before you say the city of Daniel Beach says, yeah, we'll give you that variance. Chemco can say, I'm sorry, you're not going to get that variance because you're not going to be able to do that because of our development rights and orders, which concerns me. And so I was talking to Ms. Ashton, and you look in the memo, you talk about, I just read it here, provides the campus owner, which would be us, cannot seek a variance amendment or modification to the plan, the PUD, the mixed-use development, without the CFN's prior written consent, which means Chemco. And the second, the first point was actually, too, that there's a CAM here, which means common area maintenance fees, right? So when you're in a master development plan, you have like a condo, HOA per se, but you have to pay your portion of the grass-feeding cut and maintenance of the facilities, the roads, because these are private roads in here. So you have all these things that you have to do, and there's a cost to that. And I understand, Ms. Ashton, that we have not even been provided or cannot get from Chemco what the CAM costs are? So we haven't been able to get the actual costs, the current cost paid by Spirit for their allocation. We've been trying to work with both Spirits Council and Chemco to get that information, but we have not been able to get that yet. And I understand that what we talked about today, that the communication with Chemco, and this is not against Chemco, but the communication with Chemco is that they only put our answers in, they only responded was via emails, correct? We haven't been able to have a curt conversation with them because here's where I'm getting at, is that the current use of the facility, the property today, is office. And correct me if I'm wrong, Ms. Ashton. So we want to change the use to a government use. It's a permitted use in the city of Daniel Beach, allows it. They say, yes, you get permitted use for this area, this particular property, you can use government. However, however, Chemco, my understanding, has the right to dictate the use that's, if it's not what exists today. So here's the problem, Erin, and here's the problem, Commission, is that Ms. Ashton, they will not give us a pre-approval written letter stating that we can use this property for what we want to use. Is that correct? They haven't stated that, so they've stated that they're trying to treat us at what's to create arm's length with respect to all the interested parties in the transaction. And so they'll provide information to us but are not necessarily negotiating with us or at least what they've told us any of the bidders as to our specific uses. They're just telling us answers to factual questions. So have you asked them for a pre-approval letter from them that they will pre-approve us as a use of the facility? We have not specifically asked for a pre-approval. So I think that's very important because if we do not have in writing from Chemco that we can use this facility for what we want to use, we want to have commission chambers, whatever that laundry list of issues that we need to use this property for, if we don't receive written approval from them, then this is mute because we can't buy a property or bid on a property, much less buy a property, and all of a sudden we're told we can't use it for what our use. So again, get into the bankruptcy arena we are today as is where there is no contingency. We can't say our purchase and sale agreement is subject to getting approvals of these uses. So it's very important to me, and if I can't vote on something that I can't say to the public, yeah, we can buy this and we can use what we want to use it for. And I'm understanding that they cannot, they're not giving that to us or they're not asking this or we haven't asked that, but I'm asking, Mayor, that we've got to find that out first before we can even move forward because without that, we're done. We're done. Number two, the title. In a real estate transaction, as Commissioner Udine knows, in real estate transactions, you have a title commitment, a title policy, right? And in the due diligence period, they provided a title commitment, and they have Schedule Bs, which is basically a list of restrictions or things that have to be satisfied prior to you closing that transaction in order for you to pass free and clear title, right? Of all these encumbrances. Is Issa Me here? Yes, sir. She's right behind me. Issa Me, my understanding, and I haven't looked at the title yet, I'm not a title policy or not a first American or anything like that, but my understanding is how many Schedule Bs? Were there 70? There were, good morning, there were seven zeros, so many exceptions that I know the office of the county attorney along with county staff is reviewing. And then you have the Declaration of Covenants, correct? That is correct. And how large is that document? It has close to 100 pages, one of them. Plus amendments? Yes. So that's another, Mayor and Commissioners, what we have to make sure is that the title itself, that we can even adhere to those exceptions in the title, and also the Declaration of Covenants that we can even adhere to as well. So, again, dealing with the bankruptcy court, we've got eight days away from our attention to be a bidder or to submit a stocking horse offer without this extensive due diligence that still needs to be done, but more importantly, get it in writing from Kimco, who's controlling this whole deal. And I understand they might even want to be a bidder. So you're competing with, again, the original developer, competing with the market, the private sector, and now us. We're premature. We really are. And, again, I've been bullish on this the whole time. When Commissioner of Union brought it forward, I said, no way. Went and saw the facility, saw the opportunities that we could be there. I thought it would really work for us and save the hundreds of millions of dollars that I'm hearing. But at the end of the day, we don't have it in writing, but we can exactly do it. I mean exactly. We can put commission chambers in there. We can park them there. We can use your roads there. We can use XXX. If we don't have that in writing, this is null and void, as far as I'm concerned, and then deal with the title issues separately. So that's what really, really concerns me at this late hour. Unfortunately, we received this, I think, at 8 o'clock last night. And, again, I commend you for due diligence, and it needs to continue because the data room obviously is very extensive. I haven't been in the data room, but I leave that to the experts when it comes to that. So that's my feelings at this point. And just, Commissioner, just on that, right, so we are continuing to do due diligence. We've, you know, as you state, we may not be in a position to be the stalking horse because that's due next week. But if, you know, the board wanted to be something on the extended bid. But my understanding, talking to legal counsel, outside legal counsel, you have, not preferential treatment, but you have a better insight if you become a stalking horse or at least play the game as a stalking horse, you have the ability to gain more information, more opportunities, than you would just come in as an outside bidder at the end of the day for the July 23rd auction that's going to take place, correct? That's correct. But just based on the information that you just raised, the facts that you just raised, which is that by next week, we probably do not have the information to, because stalking horse means that on the 24th, we have a signed purchase agreement, right? So we are committed to purchasing the asset at that point. When there's a draw, no contingencies, cow cash, as is, where is. And so, you know, we probably will not have any of the information we know as to the use of the property by that point. Okay, thank you. Okay, Mr. Mayor. Hold on, one second. I want him to go. I'm going to, no, I'm going to give it over to you. Okay. No, no, no. Go ahead. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, first, I'd like to begin by thanking both you and Commissioner Yudin for bringing this matter up and pushing this. I think that efforts to save hundreds of millions of dollars are always fruitful. I think it shows the public that we really are trying to be as frugal as we can. And I sincerely mean it when I say that I appreciate both you and Commissioner Yudin for leading efforts to try and save us hundreds of millions of dollars. And I will say that as of yesterday, I was still undecided as to where I was. As of today, I am not, because three issues have come up that have decided me in opposition to this. The first one is, at the last meeting, I raised questions about where the alliance was based on a prior conversation. But at the time, I did not know exactly what the position of Mr. Swindell was. I just had raised questions. This morning, I found out what Mr. Swindell's position is and how serious his discussions had been. And that is one of the three factors which has led me to determine no. The second one is, I drove it this morning. I just want to read the directions. The directions to get to this building are, go to Broward Boulevard, take a right on, what's that? Brickle. I was coming due west. I live off of Sterling Road, so I just came east from west. Sterling Road to 18th Avenue to Point Boulevard to North Campus Way to Radiant Drive. And by the way, I got lost following my GPS because North Campus Way doesn't have a street sign on it. So it had to go around. That, I don't think, is the appropriate location for a government center to have it in the middle of a master development where, candidly, as I said, with my GPS, I got lost. But the major factor, when I read it and said no, is the same issue that my colleague, Commissioner Fisher, just brought up. I think all of you know I'm a zoning and land use attorney. When I read the memo from Anika this morning, I looked at that and said it is impossible for us to close on this property with all of these caveats. We could get it for $300 million or $400 million less if we can't use the building the way we want to use it, it's a white elephant. And having read the memo as an attorney, as a zoning and land use attorney, I looked at that and said, you can't close on this. You know, we just, we can't. We don't know if we'll be able to use the building the way we need to use the building. So I honestly, yesterday, was still undecided. I told you at the last meeting, I thought there were merits on both sides. And, but today, based on those three issues, I did reach my decision. And it's, I would not be able to support it. Having said that, I want to close by just, again, thanking Commissioner Udine and you, Mr. Mayor, for doing this. If you want to, it's up to you, your mayor, if you want to put it off, I'll do whatever you want. But whenever we do vote on this, I'm going to be opposed to this. Also, I did represent all of Dania Beach when I was in the Senate. And I still always have warm thoughts to any city I've represented. And I'm trying to be nice to Dania Beach because I used to represent them. So whatever you want to do, Mr. Mayor, in terms of when we vote, but I will be voting no. Okay, I'm going to take 60 seconds and hand it back to Commissioner Udine because it's his item. My 60 seconds are basically this. This item is dead in the water if we don't get, as Commissioner Fisher said, if we don't get assurances that we can use the building and property as we would want to use it. And that's one of the reasons why I was going to ask Commissioner Udine to defer this because even if we set a meeting for next week, if we can't get it, there's not going to be a meeting because this thing is dead in the water no matter what. We're not going to bid on something that we can't use. But I'm going to spend the next 30 seconds. I understand that, but there's, but I understand that. I just, I can I just, let me just finish 30 seconds. I just want to make sure it's clear. What Senator Ridge said about buying the property for 65 million, and she had mentioned the number 600 million, the total amount of that building if we got from Suscovitch, those numbers, certainly they could be changed is close to three quarters of a billion. And so I just want to make sure we are talking. Commissioner Furr has talked about the optics. Again, I think the optic, it's a good point, but then the optics of our other alternative spending three quarters of a billion is horrible optics as well. And you should agree with that. If we're going to pump the brakes, as vice mayor said, and as Senator Rich, then we pump the brakes on everything. We should be pumping the brakes on everything. Last time we had a meeting, let's keep this going on across the street. If we're going to pump the brakes because it's a potential financial disaster coming, we should be pumping the brakes on everything. I want to let you know, though, that I didn't make up these numbers. Suscovitch that provided the original numbers, we met yesterday, they're guesstimates, but they're like 20, 30% based on they have, you know, they're guesstimates. They're not 100% accurate, but I didn't just make up these numbers. We spent an hour and a half talking about where it would come in if we did certain things differently. So I just want to make sure you know, you know that and even with the current situation, if we were able to get what we needed, we'd still be saving 200 million. With that said, though, since I don't know if there's a need to continue to continue because he wants to defer, he wants to withdraw the item. So I could recognize the people on the phone, but, you know, Commissioner Davis and Commissioner Rogers, but I think the item which was brought by Commissioner Udine, he wants to pull it, unless I'm wrong. It's up to you. Okay. You know, Commissioner Rogers and Commissioner Davis, knowing that, do you still want to speak on this? It's not necessary if he's going to withdraw the item. Just so you know, based on what I've heard, I do have concerns as well moving forward on that building. but also won't be available next week either. You won't be available for a phone or in person or both? In person, I'll be at Orlando. Okay. We could have our meeting in Orlando. That's no problem. For La Liga County. We'll have our meeting in Disney for you. That's okay. No problem. Commissioner Udine? I'll be at work, not Disney. Commissioner Udine? Just to clear up one or two things, I did speak to David Coddington the day I brought this up like a month ago and he said, you know, there would be companies that are going to look at this and I think David would tell you my exact answer to him was keep going on that route because if there's companies that are looking at it, there should be, you're not insulting me by saying there's companies that are going to look at this. The wonderful thing about the private sector is they can be a little bit more nimble. We're never going to get the answers to your questions by next week anyway. And I guess all of this will be proved out by the marketplace in the next few weeks. I'm going to withdraw my motion. I'm not asking it to be put up to vote next week. In August, when we come back from vacation or when we come back from break, we can see what the situation is. By then, I'm sure we'll have a big company that's interested in it. We'll have other companies that will have bid on this and I guess we're going to get to see how this plays out. But we're not going to be able to get to a place no matter how long we stayed here today or even if we came next week to where we need to be. So I'll withdraw the motion. Are you saying you don't want us to set up another meeting? Is that your position? We can set up another meeting, but it doesn't have to be a special meeting next week because we're going to be at the same place. They're not going to get these assurances from anybody. And we're not at five. In the situation, if we do get the insurances, do you want me to set up a meeting? Not before break. We don't have to do it this week. We'll do it in August. If somebody comes and outbids us, then we shake their hand and we bring in their... Well, there's no bidding. We're... Well, I understand. If somebody comes in and takes the property, I'm hearing from everybody that there are so many different interested bidders in this. I guess we're going to be proved out during July about how correct that is. I have a feeling that a lot of people were waiting to see what Broward County was going to do because we are the best and natural user for that space. The companies that are going to look at that are not going to have the same... So just to let you know, I'm going to talk to council. If there's a way we can get assurances, great. If not, it's dead. It won't even ask for a vote. It'll be dead. And mayor? I don't think it's... I don't think it's dead. It could come back in August. You could bring it up. I could... Anybody else can bring it up. Yeah. I'm not going to make everybody come for a special meeting next week when I know we're not going to have the answers. If we have these answers and you think that there's an ability to do that, somebody else can ask for a special meeting. Got it. Mr. Mayor, if you do ask for a special meeting, as Commissioner Davis said, I'm leaving Tuesday for FAC. She's leaving. So could you do it on Tuesday? You could do it Monday. Monday or Tuesday, just not after Tuesday. Got it. Keep in mind, Mayor, that Wednesday is the deadline to provide intention to bid and a stocking horse offer. So we need to have time for legal to be able to prefer and provide a stocking horse APA. Time is of the essence. On the legal side, we'll move forward. We've... Right? I mean, unless... We're going to call them. We'll get together with administration, right, with ISME. We're going to call them. I'm told we've asked things... We've asked for certain information. We may have not asked it the right way. We're going to ask for definitive information. If we have it, then we will move forward with due diligence. We'll let the mayor know he can call a special meeting. If we're not going to get the assurances, let's say by tomorrow, or, you know, sufficient information, then we'll advise the mayor there'll be no special meeting call. And as Commissioner Udine said, and as you're saying, Commissioner Fisher, we'll miss the opportunity through the bankruptcy court to bid on this, but we'll see what happens. And you never say never, you know, afterwards. That's fine by me. Listen, I'm told Kimco has a prize on their hand, so they may not want to deal with us. They may want to deal with us because the values can be there. So I'll withdraw the motion. Senator, anybody can talk. Senator Rich, do you want to speak? Yeah, I just want to make one... I want to correct the record for something. I would debate in the debate. Sure. Because I was looking at this and I didn't speak accurately. So I was reading from the proposed property taxes for Spirit for this year. And so I just want to clarify. The portion that was the county commission tax was $755,668,000. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Excuse me. $765,668. The Dania Beach portion was $799,000. That was the tax. And the total tax of all ad valorem taxes in the county that Spirit paid was $2,800,000. So I just want it clear what the tax base is and probably what any company that Mr. Swindell was talking about could be providing the same tax base for the county. So that's that part. And the second part is I just want to make it really clear. I have said over and over I want to put the brakes on everything, Mayor. Mayor, I'd like you to hear this, please. Okay? I have said I don't want to spend seven... But I'm talking to you, please. Okay. I don't want to spend $750,000,000. Okay. $1,000,000,000 on the current land property that we have with Gore. Good. I don't want to go out right now and do anything. I have said it again and again. So I just want to make it clear. I am not voting ever to spend that kind of money for a building either. But I'm not voting to spend this. I'm not voting to spend anything while we're dealing with the ad valorem tax issue. Okay? That's it. Okay. Great. Sure. Commissioner Rogers, I just didn't hear from you. Did you want to add anything? Mr. Mayor? Yes. Okay. I am in the same position the more I listen to this debate and I see the unreadiness of the county. I am listening to Senator Nanner-Rich and believing maybe we need to make any major decision that will impact our budget without knowing truly what our voters are going to do. So that is where I'm at right now and I'm glad that we're going to defer to a later date if, based on what the attorney stated, whether or not there's an opportunity for us, the county, to proceed. But as I stand right now, I am supporting what Senator Rich stated. I don't believe we need to further encumber and, you know, and go out and commit further any tax dollars until we know where our revenue stands, the voters, in August. Okay. Thank you. I believe that covers our meeting for this. So, Mayor, it sounds like, and just to summarize, it sounds like we have at least five people who are, at least five. All right, but at least five. Do you agree? Seven's at least five. No, no. My point is, just to say, should we not, we can... We don't need to vote. We need to vote to do it. We don't need to vote not to do it. He has no power. We'll ask him the question. We don't get the answer. We're not going to spend more money on due diligence. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to make sure because I... Can you guys please use your microphones? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If it's withdrawn, I don't think there's anything to vote on. There's nothing to vote on. He withdrew his item. Mayor, I was just saying if it were possible that it were coming back, we'd want to do the due diligence, but it sounds like that's not going to happen. So we'll stop. Due diligence is to see if they'll be willing to give a letter. One question. Yeah, one... Now, when you said seven and seven, I think you're wrong numbers. If we got that insurance, I think Commissioner Fisher said he would be bullish on it, correct? Yeah. If I can get... If I want to get all the insurance exactly what we can do with this property, then I would definitely look at it again for sure and also make sure that the title issues are good with the Declaration of Covenants, that too is an issue with me, but those two things... And then... If I can make a decision, correct? If we give, you know, Senator Geller a new GPS system, he might be able to... You know, he might be able to find it and therefore he might change his vote. Who knows? I'm joking. We're done. We're done. There's nothing more... So, Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to clarify, though, I agree with what Commissioner Fisher said. It's not just one letter we're talking about. It's... I understand. It's the whole panoply of issues. I understand. There's no point in moving forward if we don't have a... I'm pretty much telling Broward County he's not going to be there to prop up their bid right now. We'll have another shot to get this. It's fine. We'll have a shot. We won't. Yeah, we will. Oh. Watch... Let's see how the bankruptcy auction goes if we're not there. Okay. Anyway, I'm adjourning the meeting. If I was doing it... ...adjourning the morning meeting. Do we need to go to 4.30 or can we just stay here? Are we doing anything more? Hold on. Monica, Monica, why do we need to go to 4.30? Why can't we just stay here? Because we have it all set up there and if we just walked out... What's set up there? Everything's in the room. Okay. But to clarify, just... Drew, do you know what you guys are doing? No. So right now, you don't have authority to submit a stocking horse bid, to submit a letter of interest or anything else. If something changes, we're going to make a couple of calls. We'll let the mayor know and we'll take it from there. That's it. Maybe they'll call us. Maybe they'll call us. Ha, ha, ha.