Transportation Planning Office on 2026-09-10 1:30 PM - Sep 10, 2026

for even more insulation. These are heavier, specially lined curtains designed to block the heat. UV window foam is also a handy product that blocks out. Thank you guys so much to be here. Welcome everybody. This is the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization governing board meeting and today is September 10th, 2026. I'm going to call this meeting to order. Can you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? Thank you very much. Before we getting the roll call with today being September 10th, I think it'd be appropriate if we hold a moment of silence in memory of what happened one day in 25 years ago. So please bow your heads. Thank you. Zoe, can you call the roll please? Okay. Atkinson. Present. Altman. Allender. Present. Blake. Present. Cole. Yes. Connors. Here. Feltner. Forrester. Here. Goodson. Hammer. Here. Hanley. Here. Jaffe. LaRusso. Medina. Present. Morrison. Here. Osmer. Here. Pritchett. Smith. President of Count Moore. Young. And I do want to acknowledge we have one alternate here today, but the member is present, so we have a quorum. Thank you very much. Before we get into our agenda, if the board would be willing to get a little funky with the agenda with me, we're going to ask that the board, we move up and go in the order of 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. No, we already did one. That's the call to order, but yes. I know, right? But can I have a motion to go in? I have a motion by Mayor Blake, second by everybody. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Mr. Forrester. Yes, sir. A little off topic, but you brought up the 9-11. I just wanted everybody to know that we will be having a 9-11 remembrance ceremony in City Hall tonight at 6 o'clock. You're all invited and welcome if you want to show up. Rockford City Hall at 6 o'clock. Thank you very much, Mr. Forrester. Well, Mr. Chair, I'd be remiss if I didn't announce at 0830, that's 830 in the morning, on September 11, 2026 at Sacrifice Park in Palm Bay. We're doing the same, and we've got some outstanding speakers, both military individuals that directly after the aftermath to serve our nation. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Berdina. And then I would also like to add the City of Titusville Police and Fire will be running from every fire station around the city and then across Parish to Parish Park and then back over. So they're starting to run at 6 in the morning tomorrow. I will meet them at the end and celebrate with them, but I'm not running. Several hours of running. God bless them, but really appreciate our public safety. You and Herman Cole do it together. Yeah, we'll ride in his golf cart. All right, we're on to item 6A, Executive Director. Okay, all right. So I wanted to share a couple items. It's likely that everyone has heard about the $57.5 million award by the Federal Railroad Administration. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. When you said Executive Director, I was going straight to the report. My apologies. 6A. All right. Let's go to the George King Boulevard. Tell her what the order is. 65432. He did. He did. But that went right over my head. I apologize for that. Okay. As Bill Crowe, the senior engineer for the Port Canaveral, comes up. The Port Canaveral has been working with the Florida Department of Transportation on a modification to the interchange there at George King Boulevard. And so this is a project that is going to be really very important to move traffic. And so also, even though it is going to be completely funded by the port, this is going to be a major project that really should be reflected in the long-range transportation plan. So at this time, we're going to have Bill give a little brief presentation on it. Thank you, Georgiana. And good afternoon, board members. Mr. Chair, thank you for the opportunity to be here to talk about this overpass project. As Georgiana mentioned, the official request is to have this facility added to the long-range transportation plan. My name is Bill Crowe, VP of Engineering and Construction for the Port Authority. I've been here for almost 12 years. It's hard to believe. I served under Jerry Allender for all 12 of those years. And really sad to see his tenure start to wind down here at the end of the year. I wanted to highlight a couple of my colleagues. Bob Musser is here in the audience. And also Veronica Narvaez Lugo. Both are on my team. They've served faithfully at the technical advisory committee level for a number of years. So they let me get up here and do the dog and pony show. Mr. Allender, Commissioner Allender asked if I would sing a song and do a little dance. But I hear I must be brief. So I will pass on that. Moving right along, I have a few slides that we're going to roll through. So many of you have probably heard about Cruise Terminal No. 4 project. And I will connect these dots for you. So every good engineer must have a laser pointer in their pocket, which I came with today. So this is the Port Authority. This red box right here is the future site for the development of Cruise Terminal No. 4. It's roughly where the current Blue Points Marina is, if you're familiar with the port. And so it'll be our next mega ship cruise terminal coming online summer of 2030. So we're talking vessels that produce a lot of traffic, a lot of passengers, about 8,000 passengers aboard the size of vessel that's going to be visiting CT4. So we're very excited about that. Moving on, there's a couple of other developments that you've probably heard about as well. One being the future aquarium. So we've been working closely with the East Coast Zoological Foundation on the development of a roughly 14 acre parcel on our Banana River site for the development of the future aquarium. I can share good news that just a couple of weeks ago, we were able to give them their conditional site plan permit. So that really does open the doors for them to move forward with that lease agreement, transitioning the development agreement to a lease agreement, and ultimately supporting their groundbreaking later this fall, is my understanding. And as you've probably also heard about, we're looking at consolidating a couple of our Marina districts. So Blue Points, in addition to Cape Marina, are coming off of their lease. The Cape Marina lease is a 50-year-plus lease. So it's been around since the mid-70s. It is coming off lease. And we are redeveloping that, making it into a more dense marina facility, more efficient deployment of nearshore, offshore commercial fishing boats is going to be the focus of that marina. And in order to support all of this growth, we are proposing this overpass that you see right here. This is George King Boulevard. Many of you have traveled on George King Boulevard. It is connected to 528 and A1A through a single-point urban interchange. And for decades, that single-point urban interchange has only had access on the east side. So in effect, we've only been using 50% of the capacity of that interchange. We, in recent years, have sought additional methods to get access onto 528, working closely with Stephen Buck from District 5, FDOT, and also Tyler Burgett, Stephen Tyler, if you're an Aerosmith fan. It's been very problematic because they've been planning this widening and elevating of the 528 corridor for a number of years. What we have been able to decouple in this project is our overpass will actually go up and over that future widened, future elevated cross section of 528. So we're very excited about that. And it's been a great breakthrough with FDOT District 5. That represents that overpass that will take traffic off of the west side of the 528 George King Boulevard interchange and dump it right into the Cove District for, you know, retail, commercial purposes. Also assist us with CT4 and provide a direct access back over to the aquarium parcel from the Cove District. So we're really excited about all the benefit that this overpass is going to bring to the port and its users. Here is a graphic rendering of the overpass crossing over the aquarium development site, specifically their parking lot. We will be working closely with their design engineer, C.E.G., and our designers, Kenley Horn, to make sure that, you know, any impacts to the parking lot are accommodated and included in both their design and our design. Intentionally, as this representation of the overpass crosses over the 528 corridor, it comes to an abrupt end. That doesn't mean that there's going to be an Evel Knievel ramp at the end. It just means that we are still fine-tuning exactly how this overpass will land on the north and east side of the A1A 528 curve. We've got to work it in with existing Mullet and Dave Nisbet roads. Over the next six months, as we put together our design criteria package, we will be able to fully determine the limits of this overpass. Just to end with a discussion about schedule, we talked about CT4 will be open mid-summer 2030. Building up to that, we have a season of permitting, conceptual permitting, and development of the design criteria package. We will have a bid solicitation at the end of calendar year 2027 for design-build contractors. We'll enter into roughly a six-month design phase with that design build contractor early 2028. We'll begin construction approximately September of 2028 and wrap up almost a year and a half later at the end of 2029 is when we're planning to have this finished. Again, this is roughly about six months prior to our planned summer opening of the CT4 terminal in summer of 2030. So that gives you an idea of the scope and the breadth of the project budget is $55 million is the latest budget we have programmed in our capital budget to give you an idea of the magnitude of the project. That is my summary. Are there any questions that I could field? Does anybody have any questions? And again, Bill, how much did you estimate that it's going to cost? So it's been a while since we have done an overpass. Every time I get a new bid on one of my cruise terminals or expansions, I'm shocked. Right now, we are budgeting $50 million for this overpass. Which will be paid by the port? Say that again, sir. Which will be paid by the port? 100%. Does that conclude your marks, Mr. Callender? Well, just for now I have. Okay. Council Member Hammer? I don't even know where to start. What are the investors for the aquarium saying about this? Like having an overpass go through their beautiful area? They're really excited about the free covered parking. I appreciate it. So they're all in support of it? If any of you have been to Sebastian Inlet State Park, I have frequently one of my favorite places to park is actually underneath the overpass because in Florida weather inevitably it does rain and it's just a great FDOT provided safe haven to park under. But me personally, I had no contact with the investors of the zoo. I can tell you that the zoo administration, better said the East Coast Zoological Foundation administration, is more than happy to work with us on. Again, been a civil engineer for 30 years and the best place to place this overpass is through the parking lot. So the rearranging of islands, if we need to expand their property line to the south to accommodate, let's say we lose a half a dozen or a dozen parking spaces, the Port Authority will gladly do that. So we're working hand-in-hand with the East Coast Zoological Foundation, and this will be a successful win-win project for both teams. Okay, because just from the past being here a while, I know there was parts of Brevard Zoo that they couldn't really build zoo-type things because it was so close to the highway and the sound and whatever they had within the confines of the zoo or even an aquarium. I know with water, heavy trucks shaking, I know it has something. So that's what that was about because I know 95 is a concern for Brevard Zoo, and they have a whole area that they can't use just because the sound of the vehicles and everything else. And I just – that was a concern that I had. That's it. I appreciate that. And the travel speeds on 528, as visitors, tourists, and commercial business traffic approaches the city of Cape Canaveral and Port Canaveral, those speeds are highway speeds, 60 miles an hour, 528. The speeds on our roadway are going to be much less than that, 30, 35 miles an hour, so greatly reduced. Interestingly enough, we've recently had to change out all the windows of our maritime center with regards to sounds and overpressure events from commercial space, which far exceed anything that we have at the port traffic-wise. Did that answer your question? Mr. Hamer? Mr. Forrester. If the overpass starts taking up parking spaces, does the Port Authority own that property just to the south of the parking lot there? That is correct. We do. So you could work something out to get them some more parking if needed? And we've already started to have that discussion. The answer is yes, emphatically. We own the full 26-acre parcel, and so our ability to flex that southern border as we impact parking spaces in their parking lot has already been discussed and contemplated. Any further questions? I just figured I'd ask the board before I started asking some questions. When did you guys first come up with this idea of this flyover? It is an idea that was brought to us by former FDOT state secretary and friend of the port avid cruiser Kevin Thiebaud. I know many of you in the audience know Kevin quite well. He was then subsequently CEO of GOA, MCO, Orlando International Airport. And, again, great friend of the port and has offered his advice along over the years with various traffic-related items. So it was roughly last November, if I recall correctly, the first time that I heard Kevin start to talk about the SPUI, the single-point urban interchange, and the fact that we are only using roughly 50% and have only been using about 50% of that FDOT-built facility from a number of decades ago. Just off the map here on the left-hand side, you'll see a very similar-shaped parcel of land and a very similar-shaped interchange, which actually does take full advantage of both the north and the south sides of 528. And that is 401, that's State Road 401. It's off the page, not a clear comparison, but you can start to see from what is visible that this part of land, parcel of land here, actually has the same shape as what was created decades ago. And so it's a very, very similar project to be implemented there. So we were definitely grateful that Kevin brought that to our attention, again, late last fall. And when did you guys first enter into a proposed development agreement with the Brevard County Zoological Association for the lease of that land? The development agreement is a very good question. I don't have that date off the top of my head. I'm thinking it's probably – I remember discussions with the zoo going back to 2017. The formal agreement, I would guess, is probably 2021, but we could certainly find that date for you. That's okay. So I was just trying to make sure I have the timeline correct. And do you guys consider this a regionally significant project because that's what we look at here at the TPO? A hundred percent. So from the standpoint of – we've been discussing with FDOT for some time our ability to increase the access onto the 528 corridor. Currently, on the south side of the port, I would venture to guess 80 percent greater of our traffic still only has one on-ramp onto the westbound 528 corridor. And that is in the limited access area for FDOT. We recognize that the widening and the elevating of the 528 corridor is critical for the regions, critical for the county. For many reasons, it's critical for traffic capacity. Our ability to, again, take advantage of infrastructure that has existed now for a number of years where we've only been utilizing 50 percent of it to take advantage of the other half of that to allow better flow of traffic into the Cove District will have an effect, a beneficial effect on 528. It's a regionally significant road. That's what this board deals with. Why is this the first time we're hearing about it as a board? The Space Coast Transportation and Planning Organization exists so that we all as a county move together. And if it is regionally significant, as you suggested, I think our board should have some opportunity in helping facilitate this. You were talking about working with FDOT for a while. The only reason we kind of heard about it is we got wind of it through the grapevine. And I feel like that's where there's some disconnect here because as we all represent constituents throughout Brevard County, I think Brevard County really prefers our aquarium. I mean, over $120 million has been raised to fund this from our community. And to see a highway being built over it, it just doesn't sit quite right, I think, for a lot of us. And when you're doing this overpass, this is just to address the next megaship coming in in 2030, correct? It combines traffic capacities for the marina, for the existing Rodney Ketchum boat ramp, which is at the west end of the port, the cove district, backfeeding from the cove district to the aquarium parcel, in addition to CT4. So CT4, which you said, is going to bring in, what, 8,000, 9,000 people for those boats? Those vessels don't exist yet. Right now, you know, our largest cruise ship is a large ship, the star of the seas, icon class, is a very large ship. Because I think that's where our residents are feeling frustration is because right now 528 backs up all the way to US-1. And if this is only going to alleviate the traffic when they get to the port, just to divert them to the next new cruise ship coming in, the question is, what are we doing about 528? This is a huge help to 528 traffic accessing the port. And it is, as long as I've been at the port, a great use of the roadways and the lands and the resources that we have control over. I think we, as the port authority, and I don't want to speak in place of Commissioner Allender, would have much preferred to see the widening and elevating of the 528 corridor occur by now. That is obviously not within our control, not within my department's control, but what is within our control, roadways, improvements, efficiencies that we can build on our lands with our resources that then have a beneficial downstream effect. We'll have a beneficial downstream effect to traffic on 528. Just a random idea. I mean, if you guys took the $50 million and bonded it and handed it over to FDOT and said, hey, let's build 528, don't you think FDOT would do that? Commissioner Atkinson. Or, sorry, Commissioner Altman. It looks like this road would help internalize a lot of traffic onto the port property and prevent congestion getting onto 528. It adds queuing and queuing capacity, and it also adds enhanced routing from the aquarium site to the cove. If we were not to build this road, that traffic to get from the cove, Jetty Park, to the aquarium site would have to pass through the already, I don't want to say congested, but the 528 and George King Boulevard intersection. It would have to pass through that. This actually provides great relief to that specific movement in addition to general increased queuing capacity on port. Thank you. Mr. Forster. I think what Mayor Collins is concerned with is the overall traffic flow on 528 rather than just this intersection. This intersection, I don't see it impacting the flow of traffic, the backups of US-1, the backup of State Road 3 on Barrett Island. I don't see it affecting those very much. It might affect people how fast they can get in and out of the port, but until 528 is widened, or fixed in whatever way they choose to fix it, I don't see this going to have much impact beyond the immediate vicinity of the port. And the port authority would agree with you holistically. The only improvement to capacity on the 528 corridor from Brevard County to Orlando is its widening. This just makes it easier to get into the traffic jam on 528. It makes it easier for them to get to the cruise terminal. It doesn't necessarily make it easier for most people that are going about their day. But you have to recognize that the cruise terminal is coming no matter what. So the traffic is going to increase no matter what. Even without the cruise terminal, traffic on 528 is going to increase every day. And certainly we would like F. down to widen 528, but they're the one that's got the money to widen it. Commissioner, just a quick question. How much is the port contributing to the Bright Line station? We did a study for the Bright Line station. So I believe the answer is the port funded a study for the Bright Line station. We don't have the authority to fund any projects other than what's on the port proper itself. Commissioner, any other questions? I would just say that I was told when Bright Line came that, you know, it's going to help alleviate traffic, right? Because people are going to take the train and they're coming to Brevard to go out on a cruise ship. That's what I was told. And so, but I understand the port's not contributing anything toward the train station. And here today, you're talking about traffic on 528. Mayor? So how does this fit in with the 401 drawbridge? Because currently, because of cruise ship traffic and people trying to get into the Cape, the morning rigmarole right now is, especially when the drawbridge goes up, traffic backs up from there all the way down, sometimes all the way to stay road 3 in the morning. It can take you an hour to get off the B line to make it to the Cape South Gate. Which is nearly every morning, currently. So you already know we have that drawbridge there and that traffic jam that's going on right on the edge of your map up there. And you're going to add more people going to try to get through that section there that curves off to 401 and goes over that bridge trying to get over there. So I guess the question is, when does the 401 bridge get fixed and get that eliminated out of that way so that you could have a freer flow of traffic down the road? Right now, this is nice, but the bottleneck is still west of it. I mean, when all the traffic's at a dead stop from State Route 3 all the way down before you can even get here, this is not going to really help anything if you can't get to your new road because you're stuck in traffic. So that was just my thoughts of where does that drawbridge thing come into play, which is the current traffic. As you know, when the ships are there in the morning and loading up and unloading, that huge thing is a problem now every day, which is a problem. I appreciate that thought. In fact, for a while, we've been working with the Army Corps of Engineers. I think everybody knows FDOT owns and operates the Bascual Bridges. Army Corps of Engineers, they own and operate the locks. That has been an on-demand lock system since its inception. And only in more recent years, partially thanks to Mr. Musser at the back of the room, have we been able to work with the lock master so that on those heavy traffic opportunities, the drawbridge can stay closed, can wait, consolidate a number of boats before opening the locks, which automatically triggers the opening of the FDOT-controlled bridges. So we agree. And in fact, Captain Murray, our current CEO, since day one on the job back in 2016, has been a big proponent of the study to replace the Bascual Bridges with a fixed bridge. The PD&E was completed. It was identified that a 65-foot clear span fixed bridge is the preferred option. I think the price tag is about $260 million is what I understand. So that aggregate total between both sections of 528, industry to State Road 3, State Road 3 to George King, and the 401 Bridge, it totals about a billion dollars. That is a substantial investment for roadways that service all of Brevard County residents, roadways that service tourism, that service all the local hotels and neighboring cities and all of those revenue streams that come from tourism. So we fully agree with the board that both the widening, elevating of 528 projects and the 401 replacement are priority projects. The 401 Bridge, I'm sorry, Mr. Chair, is the number one sys-priority, and then 528 follows. Yeah, just to add on to it, and it's not just the cruise ship terminal. Obviously, everybody knows with all the expansion going on to the Cape, with all the new launch pads, and we've probably almost quadrupled the amount of people coming through the south gate, which means all those people are coming through that section, either coming up A1A or coming across 528 to squeeze into the Cape, which is, again, the majority of that. They say it can take you an hour in the morning just to get from 528 to the south gate, which is, you know, a couple miles is all that is. Even if the bridge doesn't go up, even if you don't have a cruise ship in, you already have that traffic at 630 in the morning before you start talking about tourists and cruise ship people and everything coming in there, which I understand the project. If the port's paying for it, you know, who am I to say you can't spend your money and build your road where you're paying for it? I just don't think the payoff in the long run is really going to be seen until the 401 bridge and 528 actually happen. I think that's when it will open that up and you could get more use out of that. I'm going to say that again, you know, traveling up in A1A and for me to get to the port is a breeze any day, any time, seven days a week. Not a problem getting in and out. But trying to get in and out of the Cape or from State Route 3 or down through that corridor is a whole other issue. We have observed the same thing. The increase in traffic to the space center has been dramatic. That's a great thing. It's a great story for the community, but it has been a dramatic increase. We were shocked, frankly, with the Southgate that you brought up a couple of times post-anomaly from the Blue Origin Anomaly. We all are aware of that. Just the tremendous backup with contractors getting into the Southgate to not only replace the one launch pad, but now they're doing dual launch pads there for Blue. So it's a great story for the workforce. There are so many jobs being created, not just at the port, but the space center, commercial space, and that does bring along with it the traffic. But we've seen the exact same things that you are highlighting. And so, again, back to reinforce, what the Port Authority is proposing here are the best improvements that we can do on lands that we control with our resources to take advantage of past investments from FDOT. We have an interchange that is 50% efficient because it has no other connector on the west side. That's what we're planning. It's actually capitalizing on investments that all of our predecessors made specifically in this area. That will bring efficiencies to the project. And I love the Bright Line train. I've rode it many times to Miami. It's definitely worth the drive to the airport in Miami to catch that train down to South Florida. Any other questions? I just have one more. The Port benefits, but they don't kick any dogs. What was the reasoning for not getting off at the exit before and just going straight over instead of going through the aquarium? Had that conversation with Stephen Buck. I don't know if you're familiar with Stephen Buck of the FDOT. They would not allow that. They would not allow any further connection to 528's corridor because they are at 60% design for the elevating and widening of 528. And with an undetermined time frame for when that would be complete, they were unable to pursue any permitting discussions with that. So kind of where we started, in fact, this roadway by taking advantage of the other half of FDOT's facility, FDOT's investment from years ago, magically, I'll say, decouples us from that permitting discussion of the widening and elevating and the time frame for that project from 528. We actually go up and over their future elevated and widened section. It's a great – I get excited about it, the civil engineer in me does, but I'm sure that you can see just the benefits of that efficiency as well. Mayor Morrison, were you going to say something? Will these designs or this presentation be provided to us? Can we make that accessible? Yes, we can send that out, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. And my question is, as far as the slide that went through the design phase and kind of the timing, talked about construction being in 2030. Do we have – so where is it right now, in preliminary or conceptual? We've engaged our team of consultants. Architect Tonica is the lead architect on our Cruise Terminal 4 project. They are supplemented by Kimley Horn and Associates, and I think many of you have probably heard of Kimley Horn in the transportation arena. Excellent transportation designer. We have engaged them in a scope that will create a design criteria package. So we're going to pursue the design, build, procurement method for this facility. That begins with a DCP, design criteria package. We are now in that process. So as of basically this month, we kicked it off at our August 19th commission meeting. Through the end of this calendar year, actually, I think I have it going toward Q3, 2027. So sometime next summer, we should be wrapping up the DCP, the design criteria package, along with conceptual permitting from FDOT for the roadway that you see here. Okay, thank you. And have you met with any of the City of Cape Canaveral administration on this project? I personally have not, no. But I know that, you know, Captain Murray and Todd Morley, our Director of Planning, they have continued discussions on a number of topics related to infrastructure and utilities with the city. I couldn't tell you if this specific one was brought up at that meeting. Thank you. And as far as the FDOT widening, it was the second in priority, Georgina, I think you said? As far as timing goes, do you refresh my memory on when that's expected? Well, the design, as Bill said, 60 percent, so it's on the shelf until some construction funding becomes available. A recent conversation with DOT led me to believe that they are looking at, on the eastern section of 528, the department is looking at some very heavy operational improvements potentially for 528 just on the eastern section that they could potentially move forward in the interim because the widening is just so expensive. That section alone I think is $340 million, something like that. And then, of course, the 401 bridge is $260 million. So it appears that the department is looking at it. What can they move forward quickly with some of the savings that they've been able to get across the board with transportation projects? So hoping that that will happen sooner rather than later. Thank you. My initial comments are the residents of Cape Canaveral are overwhelmed with traffic, the cruise terminals and the traffic that's come. Yes, hotels are great, but at the end of the day, we have, I think, pulled our weight. And so when we look at this terminal coming, as Commissioner Allender said, yes, it is, but I think this greatly benefits and increases the capacity for the port. I'm not sure, as we heard in the questions, how it benefits the greater community. And I hope that we can get together, our city administration and your team, and talk through this because it is something that I know our community has continued to bring up as a concern. The port is very good at driving cruise terminal traffic, but as far as being involved in the community, we'd like to talk about that. And I think I speak for many of the neighboring communities within the port district for sure. So with that, that's all my questions. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. Who? Mayor Medina. Yeah, ma'am, right along the same vein as the mayor from Cape Canaveral, I know that there was a PD&E study. How long ago was that to widen 528, and is that obsolete at this point, and what would be the next step? Because it's about increasing that capacity, Mr. Mayor, if I'm tracking you correctly. So where are we in that phase? My recollection was the PD&E study was finalized back in 2015-2016, so that was a long time ago. I believe that the department was doing a PD&E update because there were things that has changed from an environmental standpoint, and getting it ready potentially to move forward as funding becomes available. So I think all of that is being worked on. Okay, so that update, as you said, it's about a decade now, correct? That update, will they have to start from scratch? No. How long would that take? How do you add a study that's a decade old? I don't believe they're planning to redo the study. I believe they've moved forward with a 60% design plan. So they've taken the results of that, and it's resulted in a 60% design of an elevated, widened roadway. Correct. But there were some things. At the time, I don't think federal funding had been used on it. They were looking at the study and doing some updates, and that was happening. That was my understanding. But they have a 60% design. That's not going to change. I understand. They just need the construction money to kind of move it forward for a design build or design bid build, whatever they can manage to do. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Altman, I'll get to you in one second. Mr. Forrester had his hand up first. Mr. Forrester. Here's the danger of having somebody who's been on this board for a while. We had several discussions about this. When the 528 redesign was done, they had to come up with some methods to increase the availability or the ability of water to flow under the causeway in order to assist water quality improvements. Was any of that ever – I mean, I know this board recommended it to DOT, I guess, and I don't know if it was incorporated into design or – Yes, yes, sir, it was. So basically, the bridge over the Banana River would be definitely elevated for resiliency, but also extended to kind of span the causeway for the possibility of one-day causeway removal, which would open up the flow. And, of course, 520, you know, would also have to be opened up for you to really see any tangible benefit. But that was incorporated into the design. Yes. Commissioner. Has the port, much like I think almost everybody here in their jurisdictions, has the port looked at off-site – looked at transportation impact fees to address their traffic impacts on the surrounding roads? I can say yes. Over the last number of years, we've developed a very robust ground transportation policy and fee structure. When I started the port 12 years ago, it was largely a cash-based system. The form of permitting was difficult to document and track. And that was one of Captain Murray's first initiatives was we need to standardize our ground transportation. Where my team within engineering and construction plugged into that was we began to set up tolling gantries, not for passengers, but for commercial transportation. Buses, shuttles, Ubers, network transportation companies, taxis. When they come to the port, we do have a fee system that they pay into. Two, the beauty of the system not just has a financial component, there's an efficiency component that comes along with it because it reduces dwell time. A decade ago, GTA providers would come to the port an hour in advance of vessel arrival, park in a street or a parking spot, take up space, cause additional traffic congestion. Now, because of our extensive tolling system, our gantries, we can track that dwell time, that we call it. And they know that they only have a certain window to, once they cross in that virtual fence, to pick up their passenger, drop their passenger off before they need to exit. So it's a quite robust system. Prior to Canaveral, I spent a few years working at Port Miami. A few years prior to that, Port of Houston Authority. So I've seen many different ports. Of course, you've seen one port, you've seen one port. Canaveral is incredibly unique in the mixture of recreation, jetty park, the restaurant row, the cruise terminals, and the cargo activities. So it is a lot to coordinate. I can say that our ground transportation system, policy, and software fee system is second to none. It's a very robust system. Thank you for the opportunity to highlight that. But my question as specific as the off-site impacts, like if you come to a city and you want to build a shopping center or a big hotel or a stadium that would have significant transportation impacts on the surrounding roads off-site, are you all providing any... We do not assess impact fees for infrastructure that we do not own. We don't assess impact fees for widening of a DOT or a neighboring municipality facility. And why is that? I mean, if it affects you... That's a very good question, Mr. Allman. I could not answer that. I don't know that legally we could, under our charter with the state of Florida, assess impact fees for jurisdictions outside of our authority. I don't think that's possible. But I'm just a civil engineer, so... Okay. I don't think so. Well, certainly, a legislator, delegation could probably address that issue. I mean, it's an entity that's created by the state of Florida. And if it does have significant off-site impacts, it's only fair. It's what we... That's a standard we all live by here that... And it would help you. I mean, it helps your calls. It's not a negative. It would create the revenue source to help address your needs to get people to and from the port. Anybody else have anything else? All right. Seeing none, I just want to briefly recap. So you first had the idea last November, even though you guys were under the... Operating on the assumption that you were going to lease this land out to the aquarium since 2017. You consider it regionally significant, which is what this board handles, and have not told us for 10 months. You impact the community, and don't pay any impact fees to the community, and roughly making revenue, what, $160 to $180 million a year. And there's five port district cities, Titusville being one of them, Cape Canaveral, Rockledge, Cocoa, and Cocoa Beach. And so the sentiment we get is, you guys are making all this money. We're bearing the brunt of the impact. What can we do to work together? And this is exactly what this board is designed to do so we can plan together as one county. Palm Bay Mayor and myself, we cheer each other on wholeheartedly. If FDOT funds a project down there, I'm just excited for their project as he is for my project. This is how we work together. And I feel like when you try to go it alone, it's going to be very tough to go as far as you want to go. So with that, thank you guys for the discussion. We'll take it under advisement. Appreciate your presentation. Thank you. All right, on to item 6B. So as Zoe gets that presentation queued up, I know Chair Connors asked several months ago that it would be a really good idea to have Space Coast Area Transit come and present on transit operations for the whole county. What is the status of, you know, the different routes within the individual cities? What are the challenges? And you all are the policymakers. So what are some things that the individual members can do back at your councils and the county commission to improve things? So Terry has a really good presentation, very good conversation at the committees on Tuesday. And Terry, I'll kick it to you. Thank you very much, Georgiana. Thank you, Chair Connors, especially for adjusting the schedule this afternoon. And thank you for the members of the board and anyone that's in the room in advance. So as Georgiana mentioned, we have been asked to present on more or less the state of transit in Brevard County. That's probably just the best and easiest way to put it. So information that I know that is pertinent to each individual that represents a city, municipal government, of course, county government that are in the room. And what we do for each of the cities specifically and the service that's provided was the question that we were asked. So on the screen you have here, information that you may have seen in our last transportation development plan, the most recent update, it shares specific details about the passengers, the routes that we operate, the span of service that we operate on many of the routes is roughly to about 8 p.m. But as you see on the screen, we have a couple of routes that operate within the tourism corridors that go up until close to midnight. And those are for a particular reason, but I'll talk about those a little bit later in the presentation. What you see here on the screen is primarily the reasons why people use transit in Brevard County. A great portion of our riders, over a greater than 50%, are using the service for just work and shopping purposes. In addition, you'll see that a lot of it is also for who are going to their residence once they're done with work each day. And then additional information, you see up to 70% of our passengers are on board in greater than 15 minutes. So what that tells is that the passengers are using it for a specific reason. They're going to a destination, as mentioned, typically for work and destinations such as shopping and medical trips. This next slide here shows information regarding the hours of service that each city specifically receives. So when you look at one of the gradients, we want to show from lowest to highest based on the cities that receive service. And as you see, the city of Melbourne has a significant amount higher than everybody else. And its reason is primarily because the city of Melbourne receives some of the most service because there are nine routes that operate within the city limits itself. And several of those routes operate almost entirely within the city limits. Many of the other cities have routes that pass through and operate within. Palm Bay being the next one with five. Titusville the next with four. Melbourne, several of the other cities have four routes to operate. And mostly right around three or four routes is the average for the other cities. So as you can tell, if a city receiving up to 2,300 miles of service, I'm sorry, hours of service every year, it comes at a cost. So as you see also with the city of Melbourne having the highest cost of service within the jurisdiction throughout Brevard County, you know, 2.7 million. And I wanted to highlight this slide because it shows the amount of service each city sees and the amount of expenses that are attributed to the service received by that city. As many of you know, a major part of our funding comes primarily from revenue sources derived from federal and state dollars. However, our local match, which actually is the source of all of our match dollars, is through the county. And thank you very much, commissioners in the room as well, for allowing this to continue up each every year and applying it. So as you see right here, it's about 2.2 million in general fund that will receive revenues. This is then used to match state and federal grants. Without this local fund as the base, we would be unable to then match the dollars that we need to operate the services. And I also want to make sure that I'm clear about this. These numbers are primarily for operation purposes. Our fuel, our comp and benefits for our operators and staff and things of that nature, this is not for capital purchases. All this is for operating the services we operate every day. So, Terry, before you leave, I just wanted to point out, as we were going through this presentation, the general fund 2.2 million, you know, if you compare that amount to our peers, other transit agencies, Sarasota receives 26 million, Volusia or Votran receives anywhere from 5 to 8 million. So, you know, what Terry has been able to do running the organization, they really operate above and beyond with less funding, and so very fiscally responsible. If you doubled that 2.3 million, just imagine what could happen within the county. So, it's also like a 50-50 operating multiplier. So, you get a return. The more money you contribute, the more money you're going to get back. So, nothing against the county commission. There's only so much money to go around, but that's how efficient he's running that transit service. So, this is something to really kind of hone in on here. Thank you, Georgina. I appreciate that. As mentioned, you know, our local match is not quite to the level of other cities. However, the service that we operate, as Georgina mentioned, the two services between Sarasota and Volusia County, we actually operate more fixed route service than those two independently or are close to it as far as the fixed route services and the number of routes that we operate. On the screen, you also see other sources of revenue. I also want to point out the city of Melbourne, once again. It's the one city that does. We do have an agreement with the city of Melbourne. We receive about $62,000 annually. We receive direct funds from Eastern Florida State College and the VRTMA, which is the Traffic Management Association, which is – they're responsible for mitigating traffic in the area and encouraging alternatives to the single occupancy vehicle. So, we receive small amounts of funds from those individuals each year, specifically for transit operations. And this is just highlighting those individuals once again. So, one of the areas that Chair Connors really wanted to hone in on, what are some of our challenges? I have this screen – this slide on the screen because it's one of the areas that we have been focused on recently, and it's regarding to our – it's in regards to our corridor grant services. As I mentioned a moment ago, State Road 520 and State Road A1A have some of the highest ridership routes, Routes 4 and Route 9. Between those two routes, they actually carry about half a million passengers annually. And as you see here, it's almost a quarter of all of our services by themselves. One of the things that we're looking at now is maybe an alternative funding source to provide for these routes because currently we have been – for the last 20-plus years, Florida Department of Transportation – thank you once again for your peers, Chuck – have been allocating these funds to transit services. However, very recently we find that this may be something that may be going away in the very near future. So, it's another reason why I'm in front of you today. You know, without the funding to operate these routes, we will have to make sure that we have funding coming from somewhere else to allocate and distribute throughout the entire service. So, of course, with Routes carrying close to half a million people, they won't go away. We'll just have to manage the services differently and then pull funds and maybe service from other locations to then operate this service. And just to kind of add on to that, what the department is doing when he got the call was they're looking at the highest value for each dollar that is being used across the board, whether we're talking about a transportation project or a transit project. And so, you know, what Terry is tasked with doing is looking at some – he needs to look to see what are the – what are the routes that are not performing and potentially maybe shift those over. So, this is the exercise that he is currently going through right now. Yes, thanks again, Georgiana. And exactly, Georgiana and myself and Patty, Brandon, visited with the state – sorry, District 5 Secretary's Office to have a conversation about the routes, the service, and the funding that's provided to operate this service and see about any opportunities to then continue that funding as much as – or as – if eligible at all to do so. So, as Georgiana just mentioned, one of the things we now have to investigate, which is something we've been doing, and many of this board may have remembered, the mobility on demand study. I remember getting chewed out a little bit about that not too long ago. But the mobility on demand study, it really focuses on how we can efficiently transfer from the larger buses to something that may be a little bit more efficient for services that are not providing the level of ridership that some of the bigger routes are doing. So, as you may recall, the MOG study was done. It's a mobility on demand. What it does, it takes individuals, something like an Uber or Lyft, but in a smaller transit vehicle, and it's up on request. So, instead of having a route circulate in an area that may or may not have a passenger, the passenger solicits the vehicle. The vehicle comes, picks them up, takes them to their destination, as long as it's within the zone. Some of the benefits that you see on the page here is that it provides flexibility, which is one of the biggest things that an individual in the car has versus a person that's using our transit services, the flexibility of going out whenever they need to. And then the last thing is the first, last mile. One of the things that we have one of the bigger concerns with, especially in the TDP, that when someone gets off the bus, the distance that they have to travel. If I go back a couple of slides, you'll see that some people have still 15-minute walks after they get off the bus. So, this also lends to that and gives the passenger the opportunity to get closer to their destination or closer to their origin points. So, I'm going through this a little bit quickly because I have to leave shortly for another meeting, so I do apologize. But I'll stop here and see if there are any questions because I don't want to get off on the podium and then not answer questions. So, if there are any questions, I'll be glad to help answer those right now. Councilmember Smith? Yeah, just, Terry, my question is, what is the pricing model as far as rides, and is there a price that could be set for you all to be sort of offset your costs with ridership? Let me see if I understand the question. I'll answer it this way, and then you tell me if I'm answering the question correctly or to what you're trying to get at. I'll say this. So, typically for a fixed route operation, roughly about $115 per hour to operate a big bus along the routes. For our paratransit services, we do – and all this, by the way, is geared to our fixed route services. For our paratransit services, the cost per mile is right around $5 and change. So, if you're determining the cost, it just determines how far the passenger needs to go to from their origin to their destination. But it's roughly just about $5 and change per mile on the paratransit service, which will also be a little bit higher when you convert that to anything on an MOD-type service because we're now going to be paying a vendor, of course, and they have to recoup. So, they're doing it for – excuse me. They're trying to earn – I should say. I'm losing the word there. But they're trying to generate much more revenue than they're putting out. So, the goal for them – so, in other areas, we've seen those charges exceed $10, $15 per mile. And then – and I know that's really not answered in my second question, not to put any other cities on the spot, but is there any particular reason why the other cities also don't contribute as far as funding? I cannot answer that question. And that's why I believe Chair Connors invited us to have this conversation today because what we really want to point out is that there is a need for additional revenue. We operate, of course, not at a gain. We operate at a negative each year. So, one of the biggest things that we have to recognize is that there's a need for additional revenues, and that's why we're here having this discussion with you today as far as the cities. One thing I really want to go back to is if revenue is decreased – and I don't want to touch on something that may or may not happen in the next couple of months – but if, as I pointed out, if our local match from our general fund is reduced, that money will have to come from somewhere, or services will then also have to be reduced. Thank you, Council Member, for your question. Any other questions? Council Member Hammer, I figured you were going to ask a question. You just look like you're ready to ask a question. I'm good. I'm still mad about the aquarium. Okay. I'm glad I'm not as controversial today. Well, and I think that's something for us to all be conscientious about as we move forward through our budget process in terms of advocacy. You know, losing that approximately million dollars that funded the bus route from 520 across to the beachside and up and down A1A. I'm sure I speak for the rest of the cities here who don't want to see additional bus routes be cut from their city. Even as I look at the numbers, it's kind of surprising to me that Palm Bay has less routes than Titusville, given that you are three times our size. So I think, obviously, we have a lot more work to do in this area. Yes. Commissioner? I just say real quick, if that's an interest of everyone, talk to your legislators before the next session. I certainly talk with legislators every day. I have a long list of things. Sometimes they don't even want to see me coming. So I would just tell all of you, if that's something you're interested in, talk to them soon after this election. Thank you, Commissioner. And thank you very much. And thank you, Chair, for mentioning that. Because one of the things I really want to make sure is that as we're talking about the services, it may be a reduction in services. It may be a different type of service. But one of the things that we would like to do is maintain the transit service and at all costs, not cut. Because we understand that there are individuals that depend on our services, whether it be the highest ridership routes or the lower ridership routes. There's still individuals that depend on the service. And Georgia and I have had these discussions about, okay, what may be the next options? Yes. So flex funding. This is one of the conversations that we have been having, and I will tell you that the Department of Transportation is looking at options to try and keep those two routes going, 520 and A1A. But one of the options is flexing the funding, which really kind of gives you the broad authority to transfer funding from the Federal Highway Administration, which is where our funding is at, over to FTA. Unfortunately, you're only allowed to do that for capital projects. Well, Terry doesn't need any more buses. He needs operating funding. And that's not an eligible expense to transfer the funding over. But there's certainly a lot of benefits for it. And so these are all the different funding programs through Federal Highway Administration that you can flex funding, again, for only capital. So one option that you see at the bottom that is highlighted in blue, surface transportation block grant, it's what we call our SU funding, and then TA funding for bussicle and pedestrian. Those are the two funding pots that the TPO gets to fund projects. There could be a workaround where some of the TPO's funding could be swapped with a project already funded in the DOT work program that's funded with state money that would allow Terry's routes to continue. So this is an option that we are also discussing and curious to know if the governing board would support that. But there's going to have to be some decisions made, and this is definitely the body that needs to hear all of this because we really can't underestimate the importance of transit within – in moving people within the fabric of transportation, not to mention from an economic development standpoint. So that concludes – That's actually – if you will indulge me, Chair, I'm going to allow Georgiana to conclude my presentation with just a couple of quick videos. Getting to work is the number one reason Brevard County residents use public transportation. Even if you don't ride the bus, I guarantee you rely on someone who does. And if they couldn't get to their job, it would make a huge difference in your everyday life. So whether it's for you, your employees, or your team, when you need reliable transportation, 321 Transit is here to help. Log on to 321Transit.com or download the free 321 Transit app today. And Space Coast Area Transit, moving Brevard into the future. Get to work is the number one reason Brevard County residents use public transportation. Even if you don't ride the bus, I guarantee you rely on someone who does. And if they couldn't get to their job, it would make a huge difference in your everyday life. So whether it's for you, your employees, or your team, when you need reliable transportation, 321 Transit is here to help. Log on to 321Transit.com or download the free 321 Transit app today. And Space Coast Area Transit, moving Brevard into the future. Getting to work is the number one reason Brevard County... All right, I'm going to say something. The last one was the best one. I was sure you would enjoy it. But I really want to point that out. Even if you don't use the service, sorry, Chair, I do apologize. Believe me, we all depend on individuals that do every day. Thank you, sir. What I was going to say is, you know, normally when somebody does an ad, somebody's like, why'd you waste money on the ad instead of something else? You guys nailed it. That was a great ad. Absolutely worth whatever amount of money it took to make those. Those were great. All right, guys. Any other questions about SCAT? Seeing none, we're on to item 5A. The approval of the 2025-2026 performance evaluation for the executive director. Does anybody have any questions? Comments? Attorney, do you have anything to add? Thank you, Chair. I just want to point out that in the memorandum that I prepared, Board Member Allender had a recommendation of a $5,000 bonus. I just wanted to bring that to the attention. It was discussed at the executive committee meeting before this meeting began. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. So, yes, at our executive committee meeting, it was voted on 5-0 to approve a one-time $5,000 bonus for the executive director. If anybody has any discussion or would like to talk about it, we can do that. If not, I will entertain a motion to approve. Second. Let me finish the motion to approve the bonus and the performance evaluation. All right. Well, I mean, I could have said anything after you said I'm still moved. All right. So I have a motion by Mayor Blake, a second by Mayor Medina. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Just wanted to highlight something, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. We're truly blessed as a board to have her leadership, and I don't think enough is said about that. And so I would hate to pass on this without commending her hard work. I can tell you as an elected official, if I make a phone call, she's there in the ready every time I need her. So I want to commend you and publicly say this to you, ma'am. I appreciate your hard work on behalf of each and every one of us, and even moreover, the constituency here in Brevard County. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Medina. I think we all echo those same sentiments during our executive meeting. Bright line, ma'am. Bright line. When we did the performance evaluation, I believe it was before the award came out for that grant. So I think, you know, she could have gotten a six out of five. It would probably have happened. I believe we're on to the approval of Resolution 2705-FY2731, Transportation Improvement Program, Roll Forward Amendment 1. All right. This is a routine housekeeping item. It's the first amendment to our new Transportation Improvement Program. The link is provided on the item sheet for the actual Roll Forward report. It's a very long report. It is not included in your agenda package. And, you know, when the new TIP and the work program become effective, there are often projects that were supposed to get authorized prior to June 30th but did not. And so these projects automatically roll forward in the DOT work program but not in the TIP. And so hence the need to reconcile the two documents and bring the new TIP up to date to ensure that projects that receive federal funding can be authorized prior to the federal fiscal year, which is October 1st. And this is really accomplished by incorporating that big report into our existing adopted TIP. So we are asking for approval of Resolution 27-05, approving the Roll Forward TIP Amendment No. 1 via roll call vote, please. Can I have a motion? Move to approve. Motion by Mr. Allender. I'm going to assume that was a second by Mayor Young. Any discussion? Seeing none. Ms. Zoe? Thank you very much. Now we're on to Item 5C, the Approval of Resolution 27-06, the Advantage 2050 Long-Range Transportation Plan Amendment 1. All right. Good afternoon, Sarah Cromb, Senior Transportation Planner. Much like the item before, this is really a housekeeping item. We are adding, well, we are amending one project and adding a new project to the Long-Range Transportation Plan. Neither of these projects impact any of the previous projects that are cost-feasible within the Long-Range Transportation Plan. The projects are a new project for I-95, and this would add auxiliary lanes from Vieira Boulevard to Fisk Boulevard to help improve traffic flow and enhance safety along that section of 95. This is completely state-funded and, as I mentioned, does not impact the cost-feasibility of other projects. And then the next one is, once again, this is administrative. We are luckily able to add the $57.5 million received from FRA onto the Cocoa Multimodal Station Project to make that funding whole. So with that, I'd like to request approval of Resolution 27-06, the First Amendment to the Advanced 2050 LRTP. So move. Motion by Mayor Blake. Second by Mayor Osmer. I have a question. That auxiliary lane, is it just like a dedicated lane, you know, like they have down south? Is that what we're talking about? It's all at Georgiana. She's been involved with the project more. Well, my understanding, they call it an auxiliary lane because it just goes from interchange to interchange. So basically Vieira Boulevard to Fisk, and that's it. So they'll just be adding a lane, which does add capacity, even though it's not technically considered a widening. And as the department receives funding, they're going to keep going south all the way to Malabar. So picking up at Malabar, you say? Correct. Correct. So I believe if you go from 524 to 520, you can stay in that same lane the entire time instead of having a merge over. You see that a lot done in South Florida, I think. Similar idea. Yeah. Any other questions, Mr. Jaffe? Is this just for a lane, or is there a wall, a barrier wall as well? There is a sound barrier wall as well. Yes. Now, would that barrier wall continue all the way down, so to speak, for Malabar, or is it just back up to where these? It's a specific section. Why is it needed? They conducted a sound study, and it met the thresholds that required or that would allow for it to be required to have a sound wall. Was the study asked by the mind, or was it just a proactive approach by FDFC? It was by the, what is that, the Vieira East community. I apologize. I can't remember their exact name, but it's the HOA for the Vieira East area. I mean, wouldn't any developments along I-95, wouldn't they assume eventually the road would be widened, that there's inherent risk that it would be subject to noise? I would assume that FDOT would take that into consideration. Is there a way to approve this project for it without funding the wall? I'm not sure. The board can certainly make a recommendation for that. Because it seems better use of the money would be to spread the money out for future widening of 95 instead of isolating a multimillion-dollar wall for a particular neighborhood that backed by 95 already. I will say the project was approved in the TIP previously, and we're just adding it to the long-range plan because Federal Highway requested that it needs to be in the long-range plan, similar to what we were just discussing with the ports overpass project, due to the cost, because it's really up there in cost. But it is approved already in the TIP, but the board can certainly, you know, you have the authority to make that recommendation. So can you give us the cost? That's a good question. We need to break out the cost. Of specifically the sound wall versus the... I don't know that I'm seeing the breakout. I just remember the total is 47. It's 37. Oh, so there's 37. Yeah. It didn't break down. I don't know what the cost is between the lane and the wall itself. So $37 million to put auxiliary lanes in between Fisk and Vieira Boulevard with the sound wall for the neighborhood right there. I believe there was a motion and a second. Correct. Any further discussion? I would just ask that the gentleman that made the motion that they'd be willing to reconsider the motion with the suggestion from this board allocated the money for the burial wall to be used for other portions of auxiliary lanes on I-95. My question would be, can we get a guarantee that if we say, look, I don't want you to take that money from the wall, can we get a guarantee that they'll actually put it towards another lane, or will they just recoup their money and do what they want? So we wouldn't be able to get a guarantee of that. That would be my fear is that they'd say, sure, you don't want it, we'll just take the money off and we'll keep it then and not actually put it towards the lane. Could a reasonable compromise be with the condition of the approval of this that they take our recommendation, if you're doing it for this section, do it for the subsequent sections as well? Well, because I'm sure, and we've heard from, I think, Melbourne, and it might have been Palm Bay, of folks that are also having a similar issue with noise off of 95, am I correct? Yes, there was a gentleman at the last board meeting who came and did a public comment. Yeah, very good point, Mayor. And I think, which, by the way, the department is working with that gentleman on that issue specifically. I will say one of the things that the department mentioned, that they, putting in an auxiliary lane, they will have to look at sound within those neighborhoods just because of the sheer growth and the traffic counts on 95. So I think that it will be done. But very good point. Council Member Hammer was first, and I'll get to Hanley, then Forrester. This isn't opening up an opportunity for everybody to be like, hey, I need walls now. I know if I build on a lake, I'm not going to be mad about the water. If I build on 95, I have to take into consideration the sound. I think it's opening up a gate to everybody requiring this wall all the way down. And, I mean, how are you going to justify building it for one development and not another? Thank you, Council Member. Council Member? Please use a mic. You know, just because you think it's just the sound of the cars going through it. I have clients in other parts of the state that are not that close, but close enough to the interstate. And they said the biggest thing that they hear and problems being that close is tires blowing. You know, you're just thinking of that sound. They said every day they hear the tires. And it's not just for the sound wall. It's for the protection of us. And it's going to be different parts of the roadway because that's kind of a curvy area. And, you know, somebody's not going to look. And so it's not just we have straightaways. I mean, I know in Melbourne going down 95, we've got the straightaways there. But we have to look at the tires. We just, you're just thinking the sound wall is just for that car sound. It's the tires low. As we all know, going down 95, how many tires that we see blown up on the side? Debris. So, you know, we've got to look at if they put it in there. Why do they, before we say no, no, no? Maybe there's other than just the sound for that wall. Thank you, Council Member. Mr. Forrester? Yeah, it just occurs to me that we're talking about all this in using our money, our money being a government fund, to mitigate a problem that was caused by developers building their damn houses right on the side of the interstate. I don't know what, you know, different jurisdictions, I'm sure, have different availability of requiring some mitigation when these neighborhoods are developed in the first place. Now, that doesn't help us solve the other problems, but it might save our predecessors or successors, I think, the problem of having to deal with this with the new developments that are going to be going in. Make the developers mitigate trees, berms, walls, whatever they need. If they're going to build up that close, or back up from the highway before they build. Just a suggestion, you know, that it's something that we can take direct action on, prevent it from continuing to be a problem 20 years from now. Because right now we're letting the developers build it up. Then the people get mad because they hear the cars, which I don't have a lot of sympathy for because they knew the highway was there in the first place. It's just like people that buy a house under an airport runway and then complain about the airplanes. You know, that annoys me. But sound walls are very expensive. And sound walls are very expensive. And there's only so much money to go around. And I know from many years ago, being president of a homeowner's, you can negotiate with these builders and get walls built, get trees put up to mitigate. There's a lot of things that can be done to mitigate the sound. And to keep us from having to pay for it or spend money doing it 20 years from now, I'm good. Thank you, Mr. Professor. Mayor. Well, this is a sin of being here for 38 years. I know that many developers did do the sound bath, you know, that buffer zone that you're speaking of. And they've actually used it as vegetative buffers. But since that time, in particular in Palm Bay and throughout, even up to O'Galley, there's sound walls there now because the 95 expanded from four lanes to six lanes. And so as we continue, your point is taken that as developers encroach onto 95, but right now what we're talking about is putting a sound wall where there was vegetative buffers. And so maybe in the future, you're right, but I can tell you that when 95 was first constructed, there were no sound walls. And the result of it was everyone was using a vegetative buffer as a sound barrier. And obviously, that wasn't working, and until today, it doesn't work. Mayor? As one way in this, I believe, well, I've been on this board for a while, and I think we've spoken about this several times. And I think we've had people come here and present to us on the sound abatement walls, and I understand they're only really effective for the first 30 feet after the wall. After that, the sound is up, and you hear all the sound, which I would have to believe. I live quite a ways from 95, and I can hear the traffic quite clearly. So one of the subdivisions that is near me in West Melbourne is built right up to 95, and they had all the vegetation. They did not have a sound wall, but they had the heavy vegetation there. FDOT came through and pulled it all out. So it really got loud, really, really loud. Plus, now they could see it all. So the residents took it upon themselves to plant bamboo in there, which grows very, very quickly, and it grows very thick, and that has helped immensely, and it's been a very short time. So I think depending on what property you're planting on, certainly I wouldn't say go plant on FDOT property, but this happened to be in an HOA. So that might be an answer just as well as the sound wall. Thank you. Any further discussion? Commissioner? I was wondering if you'd split this amendment in half, but vote on one item and vote on the other item separate. Point well taken. Does that motion stand if we split it in half? Does Mayor Blake, I believe you mean? I have a problem with that. I'd be willing to amend my motion like that. All right, let's tackle the first one first, which is a motion to approve the National Railway Partnership for the Cocoa Multimodo Station. I'm assuming that's Mayor Blake's motion. Yes. Commissioner? I'm not sure. I haven't been involved in providing sound protection for residents that are impacted by the growing number of cars and trucks along the I-95 corridor. That does have an impact on our property values. That will affect our tax base. It will affect our ability to do economic development. And even crime by protecting these neighborhoods, by preventing them from becoming blighted, keeping the sound and the noise and the light away. There's some great benefits. My understanding, too, is I think isn't this a part of a federal funding source through the Federal Highway Department to protect neighborhoods that I don't know if you see there are no – if you deny the money, it's going to go to another community that desperately is willing to use these to protect their neighborhoods. I was not aware that sound walls, a noise abatement, was specifically from the federal government. I thought it just kind of came from the – I know the federal government has a criteria that you have to meet. Yes, they do. A very strict criteria and a study that does have to be done. And, you know, if the department is going to add capacity to a roadway, even, for instance, 524, same thing, the widening of 524, they have to do in the PD&E an analysis. Now, I-95 has been six-linked for quite a while, but yet they're adding a lane, which is technically adding capacity, and they apparently did this analysis in this particular neighborhood. It did qualify. So I would assume as they move south, they're going to have to do the exact same thing. And if they meet that criteria, I'm not sure how they can, you know, get around putting a sound wall. So that is a good point. So it's something that all of our communities, from Titusville to Palm Bay, will have to address the ability to protect their neighbors, their communities. Absolutely. All right, so I have a motion by Mayor Blake to approve the National Railroad Partnership Program grant funding to support the Cocoa Multimodo Station. Do I have a second? Second. Second by everybody. All right. Can we please have a specific second? All right. Mayor Osmer. Thank you. Everybody said it at the same time, you know. So. All right. Can you call the roll on that if there's no further discussion? A roll call is not necessary. All right. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. All right. So we kind of went out of order. You're Robert's Rules critics. I apologize. You have one nay. You have one nay. You got one nay. One nay. Who was the nay? Oh, I am so sorry, Commissioner Feltner. That's all right. One nay, Commissioner Feltner. That's why I wanted to call the roll. But earlier there was a motion on the floor, which I kind of skipped over. Because the request to split them up. So now there's a motion by Mayor Blake to approve, or at least there was, the new funding for the improvements of the auxiliary lanes. And there was a second. We're still in discussion. So now those two things are separated. Let's continue the discussion. How do you guys want to proceed forward? Basically, this has to come before us to put it in our plan, because they are using federal dollars. So FDOT is paying for this project in the amount of $37 million to these auxiliary lanes between Fisk and Vieira Boulevard. In the process of them adding capacity, they're adding in the sound wall. The question before this board is, do we include it in the plan? Or whatever recommendations the board prefers. Council or Vice Mayor. I think that the presenter said was that this was a request from the Vieira Homeowners Association. I think that we've discussed this. And since this is already in and funded, I think we ought to look at the other requests with John Assize. I don't know that our input saying that we don't want the wall is going to impact what the federal government is going to do. So my position on this would be to approve this, since it's already there and they're going to do it. But the others that we look at much closer, because we have had this discussion on how we as a board feel about it. Well, and Deputy Mayor Jaffe brought this up as a point of concern, because it is a very large project in terms of cost and what other funds could be, what could those funds elsewhere be used for to help increase the capacity of I-95 or any other road, which is why the discussion is occurring, which I think is a fair conversation to have. Deputy Mayor, did you have anything to add? I mean, it would be helpful to know what the horizontal costs are versus the vertical costs. Yeah, well. To really put it in perspective, I think you'd see a gross variation of what the flat costs are. Yeah, and I know all those cities represented here that are south of there, like, remember they said they were starting at Fisk and going south. So, you know, you guys are going to see that in the southern end, but in the northern end, we're probably not going to see that as much. So is this neighborhood special, or is every neighborhood going to get the same kind of treatment? Because at a cost of $37 million per, what, is this two miles? Wow. I mean, we're not talking about much distance here. So are we going to get all the way to Palm Bay? Is it both lengths? Is it both north and south? Yes. If I may, some of the, as you know, some of our southern part has a wall. But the point is taken. We've always known that these sound walls do take a lot of funding, and, you know, it takes from increasing our capacity when you go vertical. So we know that. But my question is more geared towards they're requiring this. If I was tracking you correctly, Georgiana, they're actually putting this in place because of some requirement now that they're doing it that way? As far as the sound wall is concerned? Yes, ma'am. So that is my understanding. Yes. Anytime you add capacity to a roadway, you have to analyze the noise abatement. That's all part of the environmental aspect of it. That's just one component of it. And there is a very specific and detailed analysis that goes behind that. And if it hits that mark, if it qualifies, and we can certainly, at another meeting, maybe have someone come in and actually present on it that actually knows what they're talking about. And that may be, you know, as the department moves south, that may be very good for the conversation and the approval process as we move forward. Thank you, ma'am. Sure, Georgiana, I have an idea slash question. Is I think, could we potentially not approve the I-95 project at this time? I go ahead and I process Amendment 1 with the rail station, and then Chuck sets us up for October for someone to come in and tell you a little bit more about the project, have the breakdowns of the vertical versus horizontal, and provide you that opportunity to learn more before passing the full amendment. I'm a little concerned, considering we had to send a commitment letter to the Federal Highway Administration that this be done at this meeting. So I am a little concerned, unless the members really feel strongly. If we have to do this for this meeting, to get the funding going for that, I propose that we just vote yay, put the motion for it. And, yes, we might not like it, but we need the capacity. We have accident. I mean, that's, everybody's like, we've got the EDC. We've got growth. And now when we have coming out of Vieira, going south, we're going to have tremendous growth going on with new construction, new business, or expanding businesses, I should say. So maybe we don't like that, but sometimes we have to hold it, but we need that expansion. And if we don't take it now, it might be two years before we get that money again. So that's my thing. That's very, very good point. It could be longer than that. So hold your nose. You might not like it, but we've got to take it. I propose that we vote yay for the auxiliary landing, auxiliary improvement on 95. The project is going to be let this month, I believe. That's how quickly. With the funding things and going on, we've got to say yes. We hold our nose and move on. All right. So I'm going to get to it. I don't think anybody had an issue with the auxiliary lanes. It was just the wall and what other improvements could be made with the wall funding. But we are going to get to calling a vote, and I'm going to call a roll call vote, even though I don't need it. And just to confirm, this is to just go back to approving the entire amendment resolution? It's for specifically approving the new project for I-95. Yep, because that was the motion on the floor. Okay, so we did remove the auxiliary lane from being approved as well? No, the project as a whole. No, we already called the vote on the railroad one. We are now on just the I-95 improvements, and the motion was made to approve it as it was. There was no amendments made by the motion or the second one, and the question has been called. Okay, so we're just approving the auxiliary lanes? Yep. Okay, can you repeat who had the initial motion and second? Mayor Blake and Mayor Osmer. Attorney? Okay. Yes. Okay. Got it. Okay, that helped. And that was going to be my next question to you, Mr. Small, as if we needed a second, you know, a third vote for just the resolution. Can't hear you. Not hearing me is a blessing for you. My concern also is somewhat shared by you from a legal perspective. This has been approved under the federal act, and I would be very cautious about doing something which might be construed as unraveling what's been approved. Through the tip. Through the tip. Yes. Yes. I don't know the ramifications of that, but it, just sitting here, it gives me some pause. Thank you. So, okay, just to, again, confirm, voting to approve Resolution 2706 as it appears in the agenda package. Okay. Atkinson? Altman? Yes. Allender? Yes. Blake? Yes. Cole? Yes. Connors? Yes. Feltner? Yes. Forrester? Hammer? Yes. Hanley? Yes. Joffe? No. Medina? Aye. Morrison? Yes. Osmer? Yes. Smith? Yes. Left. Okay, we have... I would assume the motion carries? Yes, it does one day. Great. I do have a question. One second. One second. Say again, please. One second. Okay. All right. Motion carries? Yes. All right. Vice Mayor, what's your question? Yeah, my question is that if this construction is starting in a couple of weeks, why are we just getting it for approval? I mean, why haven't we seen this before? I mean, if we don't approve it, I'm not sure what that has against it. I think the projects are probably going to go ahead anyway, whether we approve it or not. Well, technically... But getting it two weeks before the construction starts, what are the ramifications of us if we did not approve this? Just, I'm talking for future projects. Well, technically, it was already approved when you approved the TIP amendment. What was that, in July? Well, actually, the project appeared in the adoption of the new TIP at the July meeting. And then, you know, and then there was another TIP amendment, I think, to add... 26. For it to 26. Correct. Basically, what happens is during this gap between the state fiscal year and the federal fiscal year, since it was in the 27 TIP, we had to put it in the 26 TIP because the federal government still recognizes the fiscal year 26 TIP as the ballot until October when their fiscal year changes. So, it was in the 27 TIP, but since we had to get this, the letting was going to happen before the federal fiscal year, we had to amend the FY 26 TIP to add it. Kind of... That's the gap that we have to deal with between the fiscal year. So, the board approved it through the Transportation Improvement Program. However, Federal Highway then came back and said, oh, it needs to be in your long-range plan. So, we had to send a commitment letter, a letter saying that we will bring it to the board and incorporate it into the long-range plan. So, that's how it all kind of played out over the past few months. All right. Thank you, guys. I think we beat that pretty good. All right. Now, we're on to item four, the consent agenda. Does anybody want to pull any items for consent? Thank you. Georgiana, can you read it? Sure. Consent agenda. 4A, approval of the governing board meeting minutes of July 13th. 4B, approval of committee appointments. 4C, approval of Resolution 27-3. This is an amendment to the Transportation Disadvantaged Local Coordinating Board policy. 4D, it's the adoption of Resolution 27-04. 4, this is our fiscal year operating budget. 4E, approval of work order 27-02V. This is a major update to the Transportation Disadvantaged Service Plan and working with Space Coast Area Transit. 4F, approval of work order 27-25K. This is our 26-27 traffic data report and analysis. 4G, approval of work order 27-26K. This is the Cross City Trail Feasibility Study, the first study from the Southern Brevard Trails Master Plan. 4H is approval of work order 27-27K. This is the Melbourne Beach Multimodal Study. And then, for aye, approval of legal services agreement extension. I think this is the longest consent agenda we've ever had. Can I have a motion to approve? So moved. Motion by Mayor Osmer, second by Mr. Allender. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. All right, now we're on to item three, the Executive Director's Report. Okay, I guess I was so excited to talk about the grant that I just kind of went off. But just wanted to, I think everyone is aware of this. It's been all over, but it certainly represents a big step forward in expanding transportation options and connecting the community to the future of passenger rail. So this is certainly a big deal. And as the regional body, you know, our MPO had a very big role in the years of planning and coordination of this shared vision. So I would say thank you for allowing us to continue on this effort over the past decade. Thank you, Mayor Blake, for your leadership, Commissioner Altman, as well, for your advocacy and funding partnership, because that's what it's all about, is having the funding match. Our state legislators that supported the project. And then I have to thank Congressman Herodopoulos, who was instrumental on the federal level in having those conversations, one-on-one conversations with Secretary Duffy, because you cannot submit this large, competitive, discretionary federal grant and forget about it. It really takes advocacy if you're actually going to see the money. And then I would also, next slide, I would like to introduce our new staff member, Kimberly Q, who's in the back of the room. And she is our new accounts payable and contract specialist, and she's been with us two months and has really hit the ground running. And we are very excited to have her as we accomplish our strategic plan goals. And that concludes my report. Thank you very much. Committee report. Mayor Blake. In recognition of that, we thank you for your esteemed leadership. Thank you. You're going to be a pivotal part. And I want to say thank you to all of the municipalities here. As you alluded to, this will be a regional impact. And I want to say thank you to my twin brother, Bob, and he's been very supportive. And I want to say thank you to all of the municipalities here. I missed, you know, where I got to hide it as my twin brother. But I will say we might name that the Michael C. Blake terminal there. Second. Second. I probably should have the congressman's name on it at this point. We got a third. Hey, we got a third. Yeah. I'll second that, Mr. Mayor. All right. All right. Any committee reports? You have the draft meeting minutes in your package. Thank you very much. Now we're on to Space Coast Area Transit, which we're not going to do because we already had a presentation from them. And then we have the modal reports. I think there was something sent in by the airport. But they're not here. If you just want to, there's three slides that I can click through them all and just let me know when to click through. So, Mr. Chair and colleagues, so last night at our Melbourne City Council, this was presented. So those of you may have heard in the news, but there's a new soccer stadium that's coming to property that was, this land was purchased close to the airport. So these are the renderings. And so I'm here on behalf of my fellow councilman, Marco Russo, Mayor Alfre, and also Mayor, I mean, Councilman David Newman. This is just the renderings of what that area will potentially look like with the soccer stadium going. And it's right directly across from, like, Embry Air, right there, Apollo, Grass Air. This used to be where the Lagoon area was going to be, so that is now being repurposed for this soccer. Any questions for me? That's amazing. Yes, pretty awesome. That's great. When you talk about, I think Mayor Conner said, you know, we cheer each other on. We're cheering you on because this is great for our community, so thank you. I don't know. We haven't heard any timelines or anything like that, but it is definitely on the radar to be happening. I think this is very exciting because the same ownership group that is leading this effort is the same ownership group that originally brought Orlando City to Orlando. So they have a proven track record of being successful, and they don't want it to just be Melbourne's team. They want it to be Brevard County's team. And I think we can all take pride in that for the next generation of football fans that are out there. So thank you very much. Mr. Chair, if I may, I skipped over Abby. She has some very exciting news she wanted to share, and I completely bypassed it under my director's report. All right, Ms. Abby, you have the floor. Sorry to put her head down. I knew there were a few years. So just really quickly, in your public engagement report, it's already in your package. Just a special note, right before school started, I just want to give a shout-out to Leah. She had created an e-bike safety toolkit for schools to proactively use to share messages with parents in their school newsletters and their announcements and on their social media. And so it's already being used by schools. We're just doing whatever we can when it comes to that subject and our youth here in Brevard County. Moving on, just a quick thank you to everyone who either participated in our Stop on Red event, specifically here, our governing board members, Council Member Hanley and Smith, for their presence at this event down in Melbourne. And then we had our law enforcement agencies also partnered all throughout the county, spreading that message of making sure that we're stopping on red and the importance, especially right before back-to-school season. And lastly, I just wanted to share that the Space Coast TPO took home some major awards at our statewide Florida Public Relations Association's PR and Communications Summit. And we were really, really proud of these two specific projects. The first one was our brand guide. It took home a golden image award, which means it was the top scoring in its category of deliverables. And then the World Day Remembrance Social Media Campaign took home not only a golden image, but a grand golden image, which means it's only one of three in the state that received this. And it just goes to show that government communications matters, and every story deserves to be told. And we were really excited to celebrate with our friends from the city of Coco. They also took home some pretty cool awards, and it was on the day of the announcement of the rail station. So it was very celebratory, and I just want to say I'm so proud of our public involvement team and the hard work that we do. It does not go unrecognized. You're here. Thank you very much, Ms. Abbey. Now on to space. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Stephen Bostell, Director of Space Port Planning and Development with Space Florida. Exciting to see the big things happening around the county, the port, city of Melbourne. As you're all well aware and touched on on the port presentation, that space is growing as well. I'm not sure if everybody saw, but back in July at the Farmboro Air Show, Governor DeSantis announced that Relativity Space will be expanding their footprint here in Brevard County and developing a manufacturing complex up on the Cape somewhere, yet to be determined, and is expected to bring thousands of jobs with it by 2034. So, again, more people coming to work and now have more places to play, soccer stadiums and other places around the county. And then NASA announced that they will be hosting the Max Power event at the formal shuttle landing facility, now the launch and landing facility, that is operated by Space Florida. So, we are playing a significant role in hosting that event as the facility operator. But it is going to be a phenomenal event. It's not just an air show, but it's going to be a major technology showcase. And there's also going to be some special attractions hosted by Delaware North at the Visitor Center. So, it is in November, and it's very exciting. So, it's going to be open to the public. They're actually going to move the north gate so that the public can come and park on the runway out of the shuttle landing facility. And so, it's going to be a great event. And our Space Florida board met this morning down in Boca Raton, and they approved several additional major facilities that are going to be developed to help support the growing space industry, everything from payload processing facilities, testing facilities, and some major critical infrastructure that is needed to support the growth on the Cape that benefits multiple companies. And with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions. And if you have any questions, when is the air show? November 7th and 8th. Not that I know it off the top of my head. We're expecting over 50,000 visitors easily, as that's typical for the Cocoa Beach air show. The Tourism Development Council of our county awarded some marketing dollars to that, which the mayor and commissioner and I all kind of sit on that. But this is kind of unique, and it's not just an air show. It's also like a big tech summit that's never happened in the state of Florida before. So, I think the future plans for this is to compete with Paris and England in terms of the size and scope of an air show. So, it'll be really cool. So, looking forward to hosting you guys all up in Titusville. Yeah, man. We'll be there. You got some space up there? Excuse me? We got plenty of parking. This might be soggy when you get out, though. You got a space for space. We'll be there more. Thank you. All right. We already kind of did see, but, Mr. Ellinger, do you have anything to add? Certainly. I have a 30-minute report, but I'll cut it down. Fort Canaveral continues to experience positive growth across all business segments. At our first budget hearing for the fiscal year 27, projects that were announced include projects for the fiscal year 27 include more than 10 million cruise passenger, passenger movements, more than 1,200 ship calls. Priority active, cargo activities remain a major regional transportation priority, with approximately 5.8 million tons of cargo passing through the port. The port of proposed fiscal year 27 operating budget projects $289.8 million in operating revenues and approximately $95.5 million in operating income, supporting continued robust investment infrastructure improvements. The fiscal 27 capital program budget is going to be approximately $249 million in infrastructure improvements. The port's five-year capital plan exceeds $1 billion in infrastructure improvements for the port. Cruise Terminal 10 expansion and renovation is underway with a $95 million investment planned for November 2027 for completion. Apartment $18 million is dedicated to roadway improvements, including George King Boulevard and access and traffic and flow enhancement. The port remains committed to cooperating with Space Coast SPA, SPO, in support of freight movement, local and religion, regional tourism, regional economic development. The port is very active in being concerned about the economic development, not only of the port, but of our county and the east and central Florida area. We will shortly, I think we have planned to be working on an economic impact, a study of the port's impact in the economy of Brevard County and central Florida. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Allender. Mr. Chuck, we are two minutes until 3.30, and I pride myself on being punctual, so. I'll be sure to talk real quick. Okay, just a few updates for some projects here are the State Road A1A resurfacing going through India Atlantic and Melbourne Beach is set to start on October the 1st, and the resurfacing of US-1 and State Road 514. Both of them are working on their final punch lists, so they should be coming close to completion here shortly. And finally, on a safety note for September, we continued our campaign for safety with the children, spreading the message, making sure that they ride in the appropriate child seats, that they ride in the back seat of the car, and finally to remind motorists not to leave their child in a car, not even for a minute, which is a rather good segue from August's focus on children going back to school. So, also included in this month is awareness of drowsy driving, which can be as dangerous as drunk driving, and railroad crossing safety. So, don't try to beat the train and make sure that we stay off the tracks and not stop on them and all the other things that we need to be aware of at a railroad crossing. And that concludes my report, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much. Seeing no questions, public comment. Any public comment? No. Seeing none, I have a public comment. Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize. I didn't have a card in front of me. Come on up. Did you fill out a speaker card? Okay, I'll have you do one after the meeting. All right. I think I came to like that. Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Marie Smith. I am the town manager of Melbourne Beach. I started about six months ago. I first want to thank you very much for passing the resolution for our multimodal study. And I just really wanted to thank Ms. Gillette and her team for coming and visiting us. I was sitting back here just very impressed with all the big projects you all are taking on. And I just wanted you to know that we're very appreciative that you don't forget the itty-bitty little towns like us and what we're doing. And I just want to commend you for all your work and especially Ms. Gillette for her kindness. She not only came to meet with us with her team, but she actually saw the areas that we were talking about where we had some concerns and made recommendations. And we're able to come up with a possible solution. So I just wanted to thank her and thank you all very much. Thank you very much. All right. Seeing none, that kind of gets us to the end of our agenda. Unless anybody has anything that they want to talk about, I'm assuming you all know you all want to get out of here. But Mayor Medina? I just want to say that's the best public comment we've ever had lately. So I'm grateful. Taking up time. Taking up time. Yeah, you're welcome to come back any time. And with that being said, our next meeting has been set for October 8, 2026 at 1.30. Do I have a motion to adjourn? So moved. So moved. We're adjourned. Thank you. The opinions expressed by any member of the public during any period of public comment do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the Board of County Commissioners of Brevard County, Florida, Space Coast Government Television, or the program sponsor and are solely those of the presenter. 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