If you wish to speak to any item on the agenda or during the public comment portion of the meeting, please fill out a speaker card. Each person addressing the board shall have three minutes to complete his or her comments on each agenda item for which he or she has filled out a card. The chair has the discretion to determine or alter the time limits on any agenda item. The Board of County Commissioners requests that speakers appearing under the public comments section of the agenda limit their comments or presentations to matters relating to county business that are within the board's control, authority, and jurisdiction. Okay, our invocation today will be given by Dr. Bawana Bostic. Technically, we're unable to start until 5.05, so you have a long floor. You can give a long prayer. Thank you for being here. You're welcome. Let us pray. Heavenly Father, God, we're so grateful to be here tonight. Thank you for your divine protection all day long, and because of you, we are here safe. And God, tonight as we enter this meeting, we ask for your divine understanding and unity. We thank you, Lord, for your divine wisdom. And God, we just give you the glory for what you're doing within this board. Lord, we pray that you bless them individually, bless their families, keep them safe in Jesus' name. And God, as a county, our children has gone back to school. And Lord, we pray for blessings and protection for every school in Brevard County. God, we pray for the blood of Jesus. God, we pray for the blood of Jesus. God, we pray for the blood of Jesus over them, that you keep them safe all year long. However they get to school, ride the bus, walk. Mother, father, grandmother, take them to school. God, protect them and keep them focused this year. God, help them to be attentive in the classroom. Bless the teachers, God, with divine wisdom. Help them, Lord, to help those that are in need of just a little extra help. Give them that insight, God. And we thank you for doing that. Of course, bless the superintendent and his staff. And we thank you for leading and guiding them to help us through this year. And God, of course, our policemen and our firemen and our mayors and city commissioners, bless them abundantly, keep them as well, safe, Lord, as they do their jobs to keep us safe. And we give you the glory as a whole, as a county, for blessing this county, God. And yes, the United States of America, we pray as a whole, bring our troops home safe. And we just thank you for what you're doing within us all. In Jesus' name I pray, amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. So appropriate. School crossing guards are a part of this budget we're voting on today. So the school prayer is very appropriate. Okay. Today we'll have Commissioner Pritchett that leads us in the pledge. By vacation, individual justice for all. We're almost there. This agenda. Mr. Chair, could I make a motion to allow Commissioner Goodson to participate by phone? I'll second. Okay. There's a motion and a second to allow Commissioner Goodson to participate by phone. All in favor, say yay. Yay. Yay. Motion carries unanimously. Okay. That works out perfect. It's 5.05. So we can begin. So public hearing. We'll start with D1, the item gender D1. And Jim, go ahead. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Item D1 allows for the reading of the tentative aggregate operating millage rate to fund the portion of the fiscal year 2026-2027 budget that is supported by property taxes. At this time, I will ask the budget office to read into the record the tentative aggregate millage rate for FY fiscal year 2026-2027. The aggregate tentative millage rate for the fiscal year 2026-2027 budget is 4.7492. The tentative aggregate millage rate represents a 6.12% increase when compared to the aggregate rollback rate of 4.4753. The tentative aggregate millage rate represents a 5.75% increase when compared to the current fiscal year 2025-2026 aggregate millage rate of 4.4909. Commissioners, as approved by the board on July 21st, 2026, tentative millages have been set at the rates required to fund board priorities, including the animal care center, roadway improvements, jail infrastructure, and other county facilities. Additionally, tax rates are set to mitigate impacts and newly mandated expenses while ensuring reserves are adequately funded. Agenda item D2, the board will hear comments from the public and then discuss the millages and associated revenue and agenda item D3. Okay, great. We don't, no vote is required at this point. Our next item is agenda item D2. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Item D2 allows for the public to comment on the revised tentative county budget for fiscal year 2026-2027. Before we begin public comment, I would ask the budget office read into the record the revised tentative budget information. The fiscal year 2026-2027 budget is $2,425,838,420. This budget represents a decrease of $161,915,446, or 6.26% less than the fiscal year 2025-2026. Current budget of $2,587,753,866. Mr. Chair, we are now ready to set public comments on the revised tentative budget for fiscal year 2026-2027. Okay. Our first public comment is Richard Heffelfinger. Good evening. Rick Heffelfinger, 2000 Juniper Drive, District 1. I'm going to make my final plea to try to help control some of the costs for our citizens. I believe that designating the animal facility is not a critical need or an emergency, and I would like to ask the board to remove $5 million designated for that from the increase over the proposed millage to the general fund. The reason that I say that it's not critical is it's an animal care facility. There currently is one, yet it's 30 years old. I realize that. But I don't see that as meeting the requirements of a critical or an emergency need. I also believe that the animal care facility back in, let's see, we had a meeting on, when was it? Where we had a budget adjustment, a third quarter budget adjustment, and it was identified where you guys actually saw some general fund savings, or I shouldn't say savings. They were increases due to funds interest, and you applied them at that time towards some of the stuff that was identified as critical need in the workshop. There was also one that identified an almost $5 million additional increase in what the sheriff had in his 410 fund MSTU, and that has been added to the proposed budget. It shows that he's got a carry forward now of, it's almost $8 million, and it shows that only about half of that was allocated. So there's this, almost that animal shelter funding in that MSTU fund that's not being expended this year. I think if it's a critical need in an emergency, and since animal care facility falls under the sheriff, I believe that he could go back and allocate that money. You could get both things and reduce the cost in the general fund to the taxpayers. And that's what I would like to see happen, is a motion to remove the $5 million, and then maybe a recommendation to the sheriff. I don't know who allocates his budget, how those decisions are made. I know you give it to him, but I would like to see him say that that is a priority or critical for him, since it's under his funding, and move some of that money that he does have. Thank you. Thank you. Dalton Simpson, our next speaker. Hey, how are you guys doing tonight? My name is Dalton Simpson, and I'm coming here to speak to you guys about the Stradley baseball fields in Cocoa. Recently, a few pictures and stuff have been brought to my concern, where the sod, the flooding, and baseball, I believe baseball season, if it hasn't already started, it's about to start. Right now, with the heavy rain, it's starting to cause a lot of flooding, a lot of sod. I see that you guys, and I'm just starting to get into this, I see you guys got a deal with Cocoa, but they're more supposed to take care of the structures and stuff, and you guys are supposed to maintain the fields and the irrigations and then any stuff like that. So, basically, to get started, good evening. My name is Dalton Simpson, and I'm here tonight to speak about the flooding and ongoing conditions at Stradley baseball fields. This is about more than wet grass or field looking bad. This is about a public facility that our children, families, coaches, and community are supposed to be able to use safely. When these fields stay flooded, they can't be maintained properly. Practices and games are affected, the fields deteriorate, and it creates safety concerns for the kids using them. What I'm asking the county tonight is simple. We need answers. We need to know what is actually causing the flooding, who is responsible for addressing it, and what the plan is to fix it. It is a drainage issue. Is there a problem with the ditches, culverts, swells, stormwater system, or the grading of the property? I'm sorry. I'm a little nervous. No, you're doing great. While you're finding your way, maybe I have seen pictures of Stradley, and it is a mess, and it is a public safety. I feel bad for those kids. Jim, did you? Mr. Simpson, I haven't read it, but I saw part of an email, an email chain going through. Our parks folks have worked with the city of Cocoa on a bunch of issues. Flooding was in there. Septic to sewer was in there. And that gentleman right there, where is he, Ian Golden, if you want to meet with him as soon as you're done speaking, he can give you an update of what's going on. That would be awesome. I've seen his name, too. And I've also seen you guys lost a lot of money this past few years on that part of funding, too. So this is the thing. I played baseball there. My mom did as well. My child's young right now. I just see a lot of people talking about it, but that's all they do is talk on the Internet. I wanted to show them this is where you come, and if you want to see changes happen, this is where you've got to do it. So I appreciate you guys giving me that time, but I found my spot, if you want me to finish. Yeah, go ahead. If not, I apologize. That's okay. So pretty much here it is. This is the ending. And grading the property. Whatever the cause is, I'm asking for the county to inspect the problem, give the community a clear answer. Our kids deserve a safe, playable baseball field. The coaches and parents who volunteer their time deserve better, and the taxpayers deserve to know that our parks and recreational facilities are being maintained. I'm not here tonight just to complain. I'm here because I want to help get something done. So I'm asking the county to identify the department responsible, which you just did, inspect the flooding and drainage conditions at Stradley Park, and provide the community with a real plan and timeline for correcting the problem. A lot of people in the community care about these fields, and we're paying attention. We just want to see Stradley become safe, usable baseball field for our kids. And before I finish, I want to say rest in peace, Coach Keith Gordon. His impact on these kids and this baseball community should not be forgotten. Thank you. Thank you for being here, and I know I share your concern. I know the commissioners as well up there. Thank you. In that district, anything we can possibly do. I personally feel your pain. I lived through the same thing with my kids. We had mud fields at Vieira. Now look at them. We had mud fields at Merritt Island. They've gotten better. Yeah. So, yeah, this is important to these kids. I appreciate you being here and bringing our attention. Thank you. And like I said, I remember there was a time when Coco Little League went away from being in the Little League World Series. You know, they produced a lot of good stuff. So, thank you. I appreciate everybody. Yeah, Ian right there. Ian right there. Thank you. Okay, I think that's all of our cards on D2. Yep. Thank you. Okay, we will move on to no vote required at this point. We'll move on to agenda item D3. Okay. All right. Commissioners, item D3 is recommended. It is recommended that the Board of County Commissioners discuss and tentatively adopt the fiscal year 2026-2027 millage rates. This item reflects the millage rates that were approved by the Board in July of 2026. The countywide general fund ad valorem millage rate has been tentatively set at the critical need rate of 3.0942. This rate will require a supermajority vote for the approval in accordance with the county's charter cap and the state statute. Additionally, any millage rates set above the rollback rate now requires at least a supermajority approval as a result of recent legislation associated with property taxes. Any changes to the millage rates under this item? Excuse me. Let me restate that. Any changes to the millage rates under this item will be recomputed and announced under item D4. Okay. We do have one card. J.J. Woolsey. Good afternoon, honorable commissioners, county manager, and, of course, I can't forget the county attorney. My name is J.J. Woolsey. I'm not only a staff representative for the Coastal Florida PBA, but I am a proud retired member of the Brevard County Sheriff's Office, where I retired after 32 years of experience as a deputy sheriff. On behalf of the Coastal Florida PBA and the hundreds of members that we represent, several hundred of our county sheriff's office, we are proud to stand before you tonight. As a collective bargaining unit representative of the sheriff's office, we have been blessed to represent an extraordinary group of men and women who passionately work together every day to keep this county safe. We also consider ourselves very lucky to have exceptional leadership in our commissioners, county manager, and the sheriff, who consider public safety number one. Brevard County is very unique to manage. We understand that. But through the tremendous relationships we all have forged, your support, your leadership, and your faith in us means so very much. And we can't thank you enough for making Brevard the safest county in Florida. Thank you. Thank you. And I think that is our final card. And this, now the vote, is required to have a vote on the tentatively adopted FY26-27 millage rates. Motion to approve. There's a motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. Second. Any discussion, debate? All those in favor say yay. Yay. Opposed? Nay. Nay. Passes 4-1 with Commissioner Felton voting against. I heard him. That was a yay, wasn't it, Commissioner Goodson? It was a yay. Yeah, thank you. Okay. Next item, item agenda D-4. Jim? Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Item D-4, based on the approved changes and millage rates that were approved on the agenda item D-3, I will now ask the Budget Office to read into the record the revised aggregate millage rates. The aggregate rollback rate for the fiscal year 2026-2027 budget is 4.4753. The aggregate tentative millage rate for the fiscal year 2026-2027 budget is 4.7492. The tentative aggregate millage rate is 6.12% more than the aggregate rollback rate. Okay, do we have any cards? We do not. We have no cards on this item, and no vote is required at this moment. So we'll move to agenda item D-5. Thank you, Mr. Chair. In accordance with the Brevard County Code of Ordinances, I request adoption of the fiscal year 2026-2027 budgets for the following agencies, A, Solid Waste Management, B, Stormwater Utility Department, C, Fire Services Non-Ad Valorum Assessment, and D, Melbourne-Tillman Water Control District. Okay, a board vote is required to adopt budgets for these districts and programs. Make a motion to adopt. There's a motion to adopt. Solid Waste, Stormwater, Fire Services, Melbourne-Tillman. Is there a second? Second. Motion's second. Any discussion, debate? All those in favor say yay. Yay. Opposed? Carries unanimously. Okay, we will move to D-6, Utility Services. Okay, thanks, Mr. Chair. It is requested that the Governing Board of the Barefoot Bay Water and Sewer District approve a resolution adopting a budget for the fiscal year 2026-2027. So a board vote is required to approve the budget resolution for Barefoot Bay Water and Sewer District. Motion be in order. I'd like to make a motion to approve. A motion to approval. Second. So approve. Second. All in favor say yay. Yay. Yay. Yay. Opposed? Carries unanimously. Thank you. We will move to Agenda Item 7, D-7. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Based on the action taken during this public hearing, I now ask that the Budget Office read into record the revised tentative budget for the fiscal year 2026-2027. Chair and Board of County Commissioners, the revised tentative budget for fiscal year 2026-2027 is $2,425,838,420. This budget represents a decrease of $161,915,446, or 6.26% less than the fiscal year 2025-2026 current budget of $2,587,753,866. Mr. Chair, I request tentative approval of a resolution adopting the fiscal year 2026-2027 Brevard County budget. So motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. Motion is second to tentatively approve the resolution adopting the fiscal year 2026-2027 budget. All in favor say yay. Yay. Yay. Opposed? Nay. Budget passes 4-1 with Commissioner Feltoner voting against. That concludes the tentative budget hearing. Now moving on to board reports. We have D-8, sir. We have D-8. Yes, sorry. When asked that. If I just could cover that typo, D-8, utility, barefoot bay utility rate resolution. Okay. Sorry. All right. I need to pull that out here. Hey, Mr. Chair, we have Eddie Fountain in there. Yeah, D-8, Eddie. Yeah. For some reason, my agenda. Eddie, we're ready. Good evening. Item D-8 is the approval of the Barefoot Bay Services rate resolution amendment encompassing the Barefoot Bay Water and Sewer District. This is the public hearing. We've done the advertisement, and we're seeking board direction on the amendment to the rate resolution. Okay. We have three cards. First is Sydney James. Good evening, Commissioners. I want to say there's a reason why the other five wastewater treatment plants in Brevard County are integrated into a countywide system. There's a reason why a decision was never made to pull one out or separate all of them. I don't know the reasons why, but it feels like just unfair. I have to go back to that issue of fairness and equality. I know that the commissioners have received letters. It's because you are all equal members of the governing body of the Barefoot Bay Water and Sewer District. It doesn't fall on Commissioner Atkinson. The person who spoke about baseball field flooding, that's one district. All commissioners agree they don't want flooded baseball fields, even if it's not in your district. We don't have a great rationale that would save your constituents' money to integrate us sooner, or you, Mr. Altman, or Mr. Feltner, or Mr. Goodman. We are in favor of the rollback of 2025 rates by 5.15%, with no further rate increases through 2030. We have read the rate analysis, and we are in agreement of that. So we urge you to vote yes. We also ask that you consider sunsetting our—we are pleased that you have voted to sunset our district and integrate us into the countywide system. We just ask that you reconsider, and we'll probably continue in asking that, to do it sooner, to provide some meaningful rate relief for us. I would ask a question, though, that I would love to answer tonight, if possible. Mr. Fontanen said on the August 4th meeting here that our utility is not in compliance with the DEP. We would like to know if that's true or not, and if so, in what way, and if fines are being paid because of it. And I would like to ask each of you if you would share why you were in favor of integrating us into the countywide system once the bonds are paid, but not sooner, and letting us continue to pay our bonds. Thank you. Okay. We'll mark those questions in here after we're hearing everyone's input. Next is Hannah Wielander. Good evening, Mr. Chair, members of the commission. I am here also to support the rollback of our fees for 2026 back to the 2025 rate by 5.15 percent. And also, oops, hold on, I am used to this, and I should have this information memorized by now. And then no further rate increases, as has been stated, and we really appreciate that. I mean, we are, the biggest reason that we're so concerned about this is because we have a lot of low-income people living in our community. And these are retirees who are on fixed incomes, and they are, they're hurting, and our economy is pretty bad right now. So that's our mission here, is to see what we can do to help them. And we're very happy that you're going to sunset our treatment plant. But again, there has to be some way that it will be beneficial to the county at large, as well as the Barefoot Bay Water Seward District customers, to have us integrated sooner. And we're going to try to work on that, because we have inundated Commissioner Atkinson with lots of data, and we're continuing to research this, but trying to figure out the numbers. And how do they mesh? How is it that it would be beneficial to both parties without incurring any additional costs for them is important to us, as well. And I know it's important to you, as well. So, let's see. And then the bond debt, of course. We are still committed, and I understand that that is our obligation, and that we will pay that. And so, if there is the possibility of integrating us sooner than the end of 2029. Beginning of January 1 of 2030, we really would appreciate it if you continue to work on that and look into that. It's important. It's very important. And the only – and that we would look to the bond debt as a separate line item. We're committed to paying that. We absolutely are. So, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it very much. And please vote yes. Thank you so much. Thank you. John Rickwood. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Here's a copy of what I gave Ms. Atkinson. It's over 500 copies of petitions for what we're talking about. I also agree. We want to be integrated as soon as possible, and we are thankful for the sunset and the rollback we'd like to see. What I do understand is the dilemma that you have with your constituents. And here's what I would say to them, because you're going to have to say something. I would say to them that you inherited what your predecessors did, which was the wrong thing, and for a couple dollars a month that it's going to cost your constituents, it would be an immense relief to the people of Barefoot Bay to correct that wrong. That's what I would say. And I want to follow it up with this. I want to put more time on this last couple sentences. So, I retired from a federal police officer. And during my time of being a police officer, some officers came in one day and told me of a situation during in-service. It was very bad. It was so bad that the military would not participate in that situation because of the serious, it could have physical harm and possibly death. I wrote up that incident, and I sent it through the proper channels. It wasn't long after that that I got a visit at 4.30 in the morning. I worked night shift for my captain. When a captain comes in to see you at 4.30 in the morning, that's not a good thing. He proceeded to tell me that he believed I did the right thing and did it the right way. And it definitely has probably saved some lives. But the chief sent him in to request a picture of myself to put on his dartboard. And that it was a good thing that I had already got promoted because I wouldn't see one. Okay? And I had to follow the channels and defend my case, which I did, and I gave them an alternative for the solution, which they now use. Now, that decision I made cost me thousands of dollars in my retirement because I never got promoted after that. And to this day, being retired eight years, I made the right decision. But there are consequences for doing something right. And they hurt on my retirement check. But it was the right thing to do. I would do it again. So I understand you have consequences to your constituents for the decisions you make. And I wanted to share that story with you so you know I understand. Thank you for sharing that with us. That's all our cards. Commissioner Atkinson? I would just, if there's no board discussion, I'd like to make a motion to approve. I'll second. There's a motion to approve. And what we are approving is that the Board of County Commission has approved the Barefoot Bay Utility Service rate resolution encompassing the Barefoot Bay Water and Sewer District, which reduces and maintains the redistricting rate until sunset December 31st of 2029. Okay. Is there, if there's a motion and a second, all in favor say yay? Yay. Yay. Opposed, nay? Yeah. It carries unanimously. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Right. Okay. I think that's it. Do we have anything else? So let's go to the Board of Reports. County Manager. I have no report. Thank you. County Attorney. You have a new report, Mr. Chair. District 1. I handed out an item for the commissioners to look at. I would like to direct staff to come back and bring us some information that we could maybe look at doing a local option gas tax, if something they get as stuff so we can look at maybe over the next couple of meetings. A lot of that will weigh upon, you know, if we get this and it's a user fee, you guys next year would maybe not be able to have to do anything different with taxes or lower them if we get more money coming in with this to help cover roads and infrastructure. So if you guys are willing, I'd like to get a motion to send to staff to go put together some information for us. Okay. I'll second the motion, but I have a question, if I may. If I'm ready for it, we're ready. Okay. Okay. My question would just be, how does this play in, because I don't know, how does this play into people who drive electric cars on our roads? It doesn't. So what do we do about that? Does anybody have any thoughts? Can I say one thing? I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Yes, go ahead. When gas tax was conceived, this was an easy thing when the person that owned the pump was the tax collector. Okay. So it has changed drastically, and so when you increase these things, you're continuing to get an increasing share of a declining market. So you're not really addressing the problem, because cars are, I mean, it's a good thing, are becoming more efficient. There are more electric cars. There are more hybrids. There are all, you know, ride share. There's all kinds of things. So it's not a long-term fix at all. You'll continue. I mean, Florida Department of Transportation and Federal Department of Transportation officials are looking at something different, because they know that gas tax revenue will continue to shrink. So I won't be voting for that, but I just want to share with you that that's the problem with gas tax. I think if we just get some data back, let's staff bring us the numbers and the amount. I'm not going to be here next time you guys do budgets. I went through this one. It's tough. It's either that or you're going to be cutting a lot of people's pay soon. So I would rather just try to figure out a way we can do this, because we can't keep taxing our citizens like we are. It's getting tough out there, and people are having a really hard time trying to pay their bills, and it's not just on taxes. It's everything. Peanut butter has gone from $3.78 to $7.00-something, and it's just wild. So anyways, I thought this was something to look at for you guys in the future, and so I'd like to just have staff come back and bring some data for us. Do we have a motion and a second? If I may, if I can just share about the timeline for this, because depending on the direction the board looks at going, it could be important to you. So there are two ways to unlock any of the gas taxes that aren't currently imposed here, and one is by a referendum at a general election. The deadline for 2026 for that passed in August. So no referendum this year, and we're two years away from another referendum date. A super majority of the board, majority plus one vote, could impose the gas tax. In order for that to be effective January 1 of 2027, the board would have to do that on or before October 1 of this year. We only have one regular meeting, which is next week before then. And so for anything to take effect, 2027, next week's meeting would pretty much be the only opportunity to do that. If we're only talking about it for planning out into the future, and if a January 1, 2028 implementation date is okay, then we don't have that time pressure. I just don't want to bring back a lot of information for you at some point down the road and say, but we didn't tell you it would be too late when we brought this to really do anything about it. So I wanted to share that timeline. I should have done this earlier, but. You've only been here a little while, Commissioner. Can a new board, after they get the data, look at it still, like in December? Can they still? They can look at it in December, but they couldn't do anything that would take effect prior to the earliest January 1 of 2028 at that point. Okay. All right. You have another question? So if we did get the information right now, would it be outdated or useless later, or would it still be relevant? I mean, I assume it would still be relevant. But obviously, the more dated it becomes, the less relevant it is. But if it's looked at a reasonable amount of time, then. But we could do it still and put it on a ballot down the road, too. We could put it on a ballot for the general election in 2028, which means it could take effect in 2029, or by supermajority vote prior to October of next year, the board could do something, and it would take effect January 1 of 2028, but next meeting literally is the only opportunity if you wanted something for next year. So this could be something if Amendment 3 goes through, it would give you guys some tools on a ballot later. So just a thought. Could be. And I think it's prudent. We could have had it on this year's ballot, but there's a lot on this year's ballot already in the fear that we're overloading it. So we'll take a look at it. The electric car solution could be that service fee tax that everybody would pay. You could put that on the electric bill, and you could capture some of the road improvements from the utilization of people with electric cars. Is it possible to do it when they register their car? I mean, I have no idea. If you're charging your car, and you're paying a fee on the electricity, and that money then would be going to roads, and electric consumers would be paying more of their fair share. Is that something staff could also look into in addition to? Can I say one thing about that just real quick? For the people who drive gas-powered cars, you'd be taxing them twice. Because there's no way on an electric utility that you could just say, well, we're going to charge the people who are charging a car in their garage. I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just saying. But they would be paying more in electricity. So it would capture some. Everyone would. Well, because they're not charging their car, they may not be charging as much. If you consume less electricity, you could say the same thing about the gas tax. I drive less, or I drive a more efficient car, I pay less gas tax. But it does help a little bit. It's not perfect. But at least if you're charging your car in your garage, so you're going to be using more electricity. And if you're paying on the electric bill, you would capture that. But if there was a flat fiat registration of an electric vehicle? You could do that. That would probably require state law to be a legislator, I think. Well, that's a good discussion we can have. It would. And the state has looked at that, I think, in a few legislative sessions. It's been floated early on, but it's never gotten much traction. Didn't they have an impact fee 30 years ago on new cars registered in the state? And the court overturned that and said, you can't do that. You can't charge a new person to the state more for their vehicle registration than somebody who's here currently. My vague recollection from 30 years ago was that was the case. I don't recall that, but that would make sense. Yeah. So I just don't see how that's workable. I really don't know enough about the electric cars, I won't fashion. But do they have to pay for some kind of permit? Because I know at Target and stuff, they plug in. Would it be some way to tap into that a different fee? Well, I think the tax collector's going to say something, but I think when you plug in, you know, to one of the charging things out there in the world, you might use your credit card or something like that to pay whoever owns that. Because you're paying just like you would if you were going to a gas station. The $2.95 initial registration fee you discussed was ruled that it was creating two separate classes of taxpayers and it was done away with. Okay. Is that by court or is it by the legislature? By court. You were in the legislature when it initially passed. I don't think you were there. Well, you may have been there when it was struck down. So that's what that was. It was creating two separate classes of taxpayers, but you would also have to be careful of double taxation. Ms. Cullen, is there something that the electric car people, I'm sorry, I'm really ignorant to this, have to do different to have any kind of charging fee at public places that you know of? No, we, at the Division of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, we do not capture what type of power the car uses. So that would have to be a lot of legislation passed. But if we did have that local service fee or tax that charged for electricity, it would capture some of it because electric car users are going to be buying more electricity. I'm kind of thinking about the tourists that come through, and they've got to pull over and charge up somewhere. So that's what I'm thinking, instead of it just being on the citizens here that everybody that drives to the area helps pay for. That's why I thought the gas tax. Would the charging stations be a part of that service fee, those charging stations in the county? If they have an electric bill, yes. I think if we look at what numbers we're looking at coming in, again, this will help alleviate you guys for next year. And hopefully we can not raise taxes next year at all and still be able to cover costs. But the Amendment 3 is looking pretty daunting. I'm not going to call that one. Okay. Sir, may I, Mr. Chair. Sir, again, not to be difficult, but if you're charging an electric vehicle with solar, there's not going to be a fee from the tax collector. That's right. That's exactly right. And good for you. If you're using solar, you're having... I'm with you. I gave you guys all a solar panel to demonstrate that, you know, you can do this. And thankfully there's no one charging you to charge your phone up or what have you. But so you would get nothing, you know, for the electric vehicle to solar. Only people charging the solar. That's not a lot. I can share that the last several years with the legislature, they have had no appetite to increase fees. So I don't see that being something they would be in favor of. Well, we know they've had an appetite because they've increased fees on us, counties, local governments. But not fees that are directly connected to them. And those fees are. Yeah. All right. If you don't have any other questions, I'm going to sit back down. You don't have to. I don't want to be up there. Okay. All right. Well, we have a lot to talk about as we move forward in additional budget workshops. I think the commission has really done a phenomenal job to this point. And we have one more budget here and hopefully get through fine. And Jim, I see you. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Chair, just a couple questions for you. Make the vote is, you know, when would you like to brought back? Um, tax collector is correct, but we'll look to see what some states, uh, there, I vaguely recall some states charging a registration fee. We can at least give you the information. I will point out the, and I'm going to get it wrong, public utility tax. I believe that's what it's called. That's collected. Every city collects it, but the county does not. Right. So, you know, and so I don't know if you can use it for general funds. So you might have some cities already using it for roadways improvements or transportation improvements. Oh, and she beat me, too. So I'm going to tell you, third note, tax collector is absolutely correct, because I brought a car in, paid the impact fee, and then got it refunded. Lowell, those 36 years ago or whatever it was. So, yeah. Okay. There's a motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor, say yay. Yay. Opposed? Nay. Uh, passes. Commissioner Goodson, we didn't hear you. Sorry, what? Didn't? Why don't you repeat that motion? Yeah. Yes, Commissioner Goodson. I just would like to direct staff to come back with data for us next week so that we, it is next week, so we can look at it and maybe make a decision on whether or not we'd be interested in the local option gas tax. Thank you, Commissioner. I voted yes for that, and I'll vote yes again. Okay. Thank you. So that's a 4-1 vote with Commissioner Felton and I'm voting against. Okay. Our next, District 2. Commissioner Goodson, do you have a report? Not at all, sir. Commissioner Atkinson, District 3. No report. Commissioner 4. Commissioner Feltner. So I understand today it's the chair's birthday. Oh, it is. Does that sound right? Mm-hmm. So I think we should all sing Happy Birthday. Oh, that'd be wonderful. Thank you. I embarrassed myself doing this once before. Yes, sir. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Thank you. That is a wonderful thought. Appreciate it. It's wonderful. It's full disclosure of your own age. 71 today. Wow. 71. 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