FULL PRESS CONFERENCE: US President Trump Addresses Reporters During Oval Office Briefing —

[0:01] It's a little bit unusual, right? Bobby's a very unusual person. I said, when is the news conference? He said, Saturday morning. I said, I don't know. Has that ever happened to you? Well, it's an honor and it's very important what we're doing. [0:18] So, as you see and you know a lot of the people behind me, they're tremendous professionals, medical professionals most, and some military like Marcus, some great military professionals too, real hero. [0:33] Today I'm pleased to announce historic reforms to dramatically accelerate access to new medical research and treatments based on psychedelic drugs. [0:42] In many cases, these experimental treatments have shown life-changing potential for those suffering from severe mental illness and depression, including our cherished veterans. [0:54] Our veterans are having a tremendous hard time. You know, the suicide rate, we have it down a little bit, but they are having a hard time. [1:01] And I got a call from a number of people, including the great Joe Rogan, and he said, we have to do something about this. [1:08] And I looked into it. I called Bobby. I called Oz. I called Marty and Jay. And it was really, it was uniform support. [1:17] And I said, so why would we wait three or four years to get it done? Or 10 years, frankly. Let's get it done immediately. [1:26] And that's what happened. This has probably never been anything happened so quickly. Everybody is so strongly in favor of this. [1:32] It's for a lot of people, but it's for our military in particular. The suicide epidemic among veterans is a national tragedy. [1:39] Since 9-11, we've lost over 21 times more veteran lives to suicide than on the battlefield. [1:47] So we lose, think of that, 21 times more. And today we're bringing them new hope. [1:53] I think you're going to see a big difference and a big reduction in that number. [1:56] I want to thank Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who's a fantastic, where are you, Bobby? [2:05] Over here. [2:05] Because he always makes it difficult. [2:10] He's done a great job, too. And people love him. [2:14] And more importantly, your wife is here someplace, Bobby. She's out there. Where are you? [2:19] The real boss in the family. [2:24] It's fantastic. Thank you very much for being here. [2:26] As well as FDA Commissioner Marnie McCary, CMS Administrator Dr. Mehmet Oz, NIH Director Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. [2:37] See how easy that name is now? [2:39] You know, it used to give me a little trouble. That was a tough name. [2:43] Congressman Morgan Luttrell, who's a friend of mine and a real, he's a real war hero. [2:48] You know, it's something that a lot of us will never find out about. [2:53] Retired U.S. Navy SEAL, Marcus Luttrell, the two of them. I don't know what, what was in the, what's in your blood, fellas? [3:02] You guys, you guys. [3:03] Good mom and dad. [3:05] My mom and dad. [3:06] Good somebody. Good to have you. Joe Rogan, who's a fantastic person. We did a little interview before the election. We had over 300 million people. [3:19] And I said, oh man, I hope Kamala doesn't do it. And she didn't. He wanted her to do it, but she didn't. [3:25] Someday Joe's going to explain why. I could tell you why. But along with many other, because she didn't want to. [3:33] With many other veterans. And I just want to thank the people behind me are outstanding. It's an amazing group. [3:38] The executive order I'm signing, we're actually signing the executive order today, is really a moment. [3:45] It directs the FDA to expedite their review of certain psychedelics already designated as breakthrough therapy drugs. [3:56] They're very much being discussed. It's one of the hottest things I think you're talking about, Oz, right? [4:02] There's nothing. If these turn out to be as good as people are saying, it's going to have a tremendous impact on this country and other countries, too. [4:12] These treatments are currently in the advanced stages of clinical trials to ensure that they're both safe and effective for the American patients. [4:20] And the nice part is we're actually doing this early, but it has been going on. [4:24] Research has been going on for quite some time. [4:27] But, you know, usually with things like this, nothing ever happens, no matter how the research ends up. [4:33] But we're changing that. [4:34] This order will clear away unnecessary bureaucratic hurdles, improve data sharing among the FDA and the Department of Veterans Affairs, [4:43] and facilitate fast rescheduling of any psychedelic drugs that become FDA approved. [4:49] And we think many of them will go very quickly. [4:51] And I have to say the most favored nation's pricing that we established, that I established, [4:58] has been knocking the cost of drugs down by 50, 60, 70, 80 percent. [5:04] And I also want to thank you and Bobby for the great job you've done. [5:07] It's incredible. [5:08] The press refuses to write about it. [5:10] I think it's probably as big as what we're talking about today. [5:13] The drug costs are going down at, and by the way, Trump Rx, which is the way you go to get your very low-cost drugs. [5:22] But when you think, in my first term, for 28 years drug prices went up, and I got it down one quarter or one-eighth of a percent. [5:32] I was so proud of myself. [5:33] It's the only one that in 28 years got them down. [5:37] And I had a news conference to explain how great I was. [5:40] I said, I'm the greatest there ever was. [5:42] I got it down one-eighth of a percent. [5:44] Okay? [5:45] I was very proud because it only went up. [5:47] For 28 years it went up. [5:48] Now I got it down a little bit. [5:51] And now I got it down 50 percent, 60 percent, 70 percent with these guys. [5:55] So now I am, you know. [5:57] But nobody wants to write about it. [5:59] But it doesn't matter because the people have found out and they're getting, you know, we're the highest we were, the highest in the world by far. [6:06] Now, sometimes it would be 10 times higher than other countries. [6:10] You'd buy a drug. [6:12] I call it the fat pill or the fat drug. [6:14] You'd buy it in London. [6:16] You'd buy it for $10 for a pill, let's say, or a pill generally. [6:21] But actually, to be specific, London, $87, New York, $1,300. [6:27] And I said, how can that be possible? [6:28] How can it be possible? [6:30] $87. [6:32] And actually, a friend of mine called me up and he said, you know, he's a very rich guy. [6:37] But, and he happens to be on this, this, it was epic, I guess, at the time. [6:43] And it had, it was not working, by the way. [6:45] A guy who's extremely, extremely successful, but highly neurotic, got a lot of problems. [6:52] I, I will not mention his name. [6:54] He's begging me not to mention his, because he's become quite famous. [6:57] He's a big factor here. [6:58] But he's very smart, very rich guy, very, very successful guy. [7:02] And he said, hey, President, he used to call me Donnie. [7:06] Now he calls me President, side of respect. [7:08] He said, I'm in London. [7:09] I bought this stuff for $87. [7:11] In New York, I pay, I pay $1,300. [7:15] What's going on? [7:16] I said, well, that's the way it is. [7:18] We pay the highest prices in the world. [7:20] And it sort of hit me at how ridiculous it is. [7:23] Made, by the way, he checked it. [7:25] He had a whole big research done on it, because he couldn't believe it. [7:28] Made in the same factory, same place, same, everything was the same except the price. [7:34] And now we are the lowest price. [7:36] We are tied. [7:36] In other words, whatever the lowest price in the world is, that's the price we pay. [7:40] That's a tremendous difference. [7:42] So we'll be paying. [7:44] They go up a little bit. [7:46] So the $87 will go, like, to $120, and we'll go down from $1,300 to $120. [7:51] So we'll have these massive price cuts. [7:52] And they've already started. [7:54] And I think it's one of the biggest things. [7:56] But unfortunately, the press doesn't like to talk about it. [7:59] But because if I were a Democrat, it would be headlines all over the place. [8:03] But so I do that. [8:04] That's why I like live television, actually. [8:07] It's great because you can't do any cutting. [8:09] But we're so honored by that. [8:12] And that's going to have a huge impact on this also, because the pricing, not only is it [8:16] important, but the pricing is going good. [8:19] And you're going to get the rescheduling done, right, please? [8:22] Will you get the rescheduling done, please? [8:24] You know, they're slow walking man's rescheduling. [8:28] Okay? [8:28] You're going to get it done, right? [8:30] Absolutely. [8:30] In 2024, a study from Stanford University, 30 special operation veterans with traumatic [8:37] brain injuries underwent, it's called, ibogaine treatment. [8:44] Ibogaine. [8:45] Remember the name. [8:46] Is that pronounced relatively properly, what you said? [8:48] Yes. [8:49] I don't want to get it wrong. [8:51] Ibogaine, because it's so important. [8:52] And experienced an 80 to 90% reduction in symptoms of depression and anxiety within one [9:00] month. [9:00] Can I have some, please? [9:01] I'll take it. [9:05] I'll take whatever it takes. [9:10] I don't have time to be depressed. [9:12] You know, if you stay busy enough, maybe that works, too. [9:16] That's what I do. [9:17] In Texas, Republican leaders have already committed $50 million to the ibogaine research. [9:23] And today, the federal government is making a $50 million research investment in its own. [9:28] And so that was just approved just last night. [9:31] We're also opening a pathway for ibogaine to be administered to desperately ill patients [9:37] under the Right to Try law. [9:40] That's a law that I started and I got. [9:42] Right to try. [9:43] Very proud of that. [9:44] That was done in my first term. [9:46] And I used to marvel at the fact that people that were terminally ill could not get a drug. [9:51] They're terminally ill. [9:52] They're going to die. [9:53] And the FDA, right, Marty? [9:56] That's right. [9:57] Jay? [9:57] The FDA was protecting them from dying. [10:00] But they're going to die. [10:02] And so we have these incredible drugs. [10:03] And they may work and they may not work. [10:06] But we wouldn't let anybody get them because they were bad for your health. [10:09] But these are people that were going to die. [10:11] And it never made sense to me. [10:13] So one of the first things I did early in my term, and it was very tough to get, actually. [10:16] Hard to believe. [10:17] It was very tough with Congress. [10:18] But they came through. [10:19] The Republicans came through. [10:21] And we have something called Right to Try. [10:23] And we've saved thousands and thousands of lives. [10:26] That's if you're terminally ill or very ill, and there is a new drug that is not available [10:33] because it's gone through the process of the FDA. [10:36] And Marty's cut that process down by 50%. [10:39] We're down. [10:39] It used to take 12 years. [10:41] And now we have it down to five or six years. [10:44] And it's one of the most important things that you can do. [10:47] But if you're terminally ill and there's a new drug that may work or may not work, [10:53] but it hasn't been approved yet, [10:55] you sign a document and you're not going to hold the country liable. [10:59] You're not going to hold the drug companies or the insurance companies or anybody liable. [11:03] And you have the right to try. [11:05] And what it's done, and nobody wanted it. [11:08] The insurance companies hated it. [11:09] Even the doctors, they were all afraid of it because they didn't want to be sued. [11:12] But I took all of the liability out of it. [11:14] You sign a document, you're not going to sue the doctor. [11:16] You're not going to sue the hospital. [11:18] You're not going to sue anybody, including the country. [11:21] And everybody signs it, like, immediately. [11:23] And we have tens of thousands of people on this. [11:27] And we've saved thousands and thousands of lives. [11:30] And what it has done, we never thought of it so much as, [11:33] but what it has done is, in some cases, these drugs are working so good, [11:37] it literally cures people that were terminally ill. [11:40] But it's one of the things I'm most proud of. [11:43] I'm proud of a lot of things we've done, but that's one of the things we're most proud of. [11:48] Right to try. [11:49] But I've always believed in ensuring that the American patients have access to breakthrough treatments [11:55] and therapies with love for our veterans. [11:57] And I have real love for our veterans. [11:58] I was with a group yesterday. [12:00] It's incredible what they've gone through. [12:01] And care for American patients. [12:04] Today's order will ensure that people suffering from debilitating symptoms [12:09] might finally have a chance to reclaim their lives and lead a happier life. [12:13] You know, just lead a happier life. [12:15] They've been through so much. [12:17] So I'd like to ask Secretary Kennedy to say a few words, [12:19] followed by Commissioner McCary, Marcus Luttrell, Joe Rogan, [12:25] and anybody in the group that would like to speak, you're tremendous people. [12:31] I know many of you, and you're really highly respected people. [12:35] And the Luttrell family is well represented. [12:37] But I don't mind having both Luttrells. [12:39] Both Luttrells can share a few words, okay? [12:42] Great people. [12:43] And so, Bobby, do you want to start it off, please? [12:46] Thank you, Mr. President. [12:46] Thank you very much. [12:48] Good morning, and thanks to the leadership of President Trump [12:51] for making this historic day possible [12:53] Under the executive order, HHS will accelerate research, approval, [12:59] and access to new mental health treatments, [13:01] including psychedelic therapies, such as Ibogaine. [13:05] For taking this decision, this decisive step [13:08] to confront one of the most urgent public health challenges [13:11] facing our nation, the mental health crisis. [13:14] More than 14 million Americans live with serious mental illness, [13:19] and one in four adult experiences a diagnosable disorder each year. [13:27] Suicide has risen by more than 30% over the past two decades, [13:32] with another peak in recent years. [13:34] Among veterans, more than 6,000 die by suicide each year since 2001. [13:40] We have lost far more veterans to suicide than into combat. [13:45] At the same time, millions of Americans living with depression, PTSD, addiction, [13:51] and other conditions do not respond to existing treatments. [13:56] We owe it to our war fighters and veterans to turn over every stone [14:00] to alleviate the emotional and mental health blowback from their deployments. [14:06] It's disturbing to me and to the president [14:08] that hundreds, in fact thousands of veterans, [14:11] are having to travel to Mexico or other countries [14:15] to experiment with interventions that hold great promise, [14:20] but for which our knowledge is still insufficient. [14:24] This executive order will remove the legal impediments [14:27] that block American researchers, scientists, physicians, and clinicians [14:32] from properly studying these medicines, [14:36] and where appropriate, establishing protocols for their safe therapeutic use. [14:42] We're directing the FDA to prioritize therapies [14:45] that have received breakthrough therapy designation treatments [14:49] that early evidence suggests may improve what we have today. [14:54] We're expanding the use of Right to Try [14:57] so that eligible patients with treatment-resistant conditions [15:01] can access these therapies under medical supervision. [15:05] We're also coordinating with the DEA and the Department of Justice [15:08] to begin rescheduling reviews [15:10] after successful Phase III trials. [15:15] When the FDA determines that therapy is safe and effective, [15:18] patients should not face avoidable delays in access. [15:22] At the same time, HHS will work with states, [15:25] the Department of Veterans Affairs, [15:28] and other federal partners to strengthen research [15:30] and share clinical data. [15:33] We will use that data to support faster evidence-based decisions. [15:37] Through ARPA-AH, HHS will allocate, as the President says, [15:41] at least $50 million from existing funds [15:45] to partner with states that are advancing these therapies. [15:49] We will support those efforts with funding, [15:52] with technical assistance, and data sharing [15:54] consistent with applicable law. [15:57] Researchers at Johns Hopkins, Stanford, and Harvard, [16:00] and other leading institutions [16:02] have reported meaningful [16:04] and, in some cases, extraordinary clinical improvements. [16:08] If these results continue, [16:10] these therapies could offer longer-lasting relief, [16:13] not just symptom management, [16:16] and reduce economic burden on mental illness, [16:19] which costs this country [16:20] hundreds of billions of dollars every year. [16:23] This policy creates a strict, [16:25] science-based pathway for FDA approval [16:28] and controlled medical use. [16:30] The bottom line is progress in mental health treatment [16:33] and has not matched the scale of the problem. [16:36] I want to thank Joe Rogan [16:37] for helping bring national attention [16:39] to innovative, potentially life-saving treatments [16:42] for veterans and others living with mental illness [16:46] and for pushing this conversation into the mainstream. [16:50] I also want to thank [16:51] Representative Morgan Luttrell from Texas [16:55] and former Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell [16:58] for their leadership on this issue. [16:59] I also want to thank the CEO of American Thrive, [17:04] again, Brian Hubbard, [17:05] and the organization's ambassador, [17:07] former Navy SEAL Henry Berkowitz, [17:10] and former SEAL Team 6, Rob O'Neill. [17:14] I want to thank a couple of people [17:16] for getting this record time [17:18] across the finish line, [17:19] Kelly Means, [17:21] and Dr. Heidi Overton. [17:23] Thank you, Heidi, [17:24] for your leadership [17:25] and for your attention to detail. [17:27] It was often frustrating, [17:29] but I'm always right, [17:31] so thank you, [17:32] and thank you above all, Mr. President. [17:36] Thank you. [17:37] Bobby, you're fantastic. [17:39] Bobby's really done an amazing job. [17:42] You know, Maha, it's a big deal, [17:44] and I want to thank you. [17:47] You really, you work so hard, [17:50] Oz and everybody up here, [17:51] and I just want to thank you. [17:53] Great job. [17:53] And he's somewhat outside of the box, [17:55] would you say? [17:55] And we need outside of the box a little bit, right? [17:57] Would you say, Oz? [18:00] Marty, please. [18:01] Great. [18:01] Thank you, Mr. President. [18:03] Next week, [18:04] the FDA will issue [18:05] three national priority vouchers [18:07] for serotonin 2A agonists, [18:10] also known as psychedelics. [18:12] Under this new program, [18:13] in this administration, [18:15] drugs can get approved in weeks, [18:17] not a year or a year plus, [18:19] but in weeks, [18:20] if they are in line [18:21] with our national priorities. [18:22] We have 18 vouchers in the program. [18:25] We'll be adding three more next week. [18:26] This is an unmet public health need, [18:29] and there are potentially promising treatments. [18:32] That's why there's a sense of urgency around this. [18:35] That's why we're doing it now. [18:36] The applications are about to come in, [18:38] so this is the natural, [18:40] perfect timing for this announcement. [18:43] For many men and women, [18:45] they have been fighting battles on the ground, [18:48] but even after the wars are over, [18:50] those battles continue in their mind. [18:53] Now, there are a lot of medications in medicine [18:56] where we don't know exactly how it works, [19:00] but we see profound results. [19:03] If we actually listen [19:05] to those who experience the therapeutic value, [19:09] we can learn as a medical field. [19:12] We just have to listen. [19:14] The stories of those individuals [19:15] with dramatic results, [19:18] that is data. [19:20] That is scientific data, [19:21] even from a single individual. [19:24] We also have randomized control trials, [19:26] and we have to do that [19:28] because we need to be able to say [19:30] there's good support [19:31] when we recommend these therapeutics. [19:33] If you look at those trials, [19:35] there's a 30 to 40 percent remission rate [19:38] for conditions like PTSD. [19:40] Otherwise, we got nothing. [19:41] We have almost nothing for these conditions. [19:44] And today, the FDA is also announcing [19:47] the first Ibogaine investigational new drug clearance. [19:52] This will pave the way [19:53] for the first and ever human trials [19:56] in the United States. [19:58] To be clear, [19:59] the FDA will also have criteria and circumstances [20:03] that have to be used to administer these drugs. [20:06] These drugs can have side effects, [20:08] and so it's not like you go to the pharmacy [20:11] and pick it up. [20:12] It's like medications that are administered [20:15] in an ICU or an operating room. [20:17] There are criteria for doing it [20:18] in a controlled setting. [20:22] Finally, given the urgency [20:23] of today's mental health crisis, [20:25] I just want to thank you, Mr. President, [20:28] and say the FDA is proud to support [20:30] this broader effort [20:31] to evaluate new therapeutics [20:34] for some of the greatest Americans [20:35] we have in this country. [20:37] Thank you very much. [20:38] Thank you, Mr. President. [20:38] You're doing a great job, too. [20:39] Appreciate it. [20:40] Marcus? [20:41] Yes, sir. [20:42] To start off, Mr. President, [20:43] thank you so much for having us in here [20:44] and doing this. [20:45] You're going to save a lot of lives with it. [20:47] I'd like to say how grateful I am [20:49] to have had the opportunity [20:50] to go through the program [20:51] and receive the IVA gain. [20:53] It absolutely changed my life for the better. [20:55] I went through a lot of the programs [20:56] that the veterans are going through, [20:57] and I always kind of felt like [20:58] I was a victim coming out of the program. [21:01] When I came out of this, [21:02] I felt like I had gotten my life back. [21:04] That was five years ago. [21:05] I literally lived the best days [21:06] of my life every single day. [21:08] I'm so thankful for everybody [21:10] who's in this room to help out with this. [21:12] I know this is kind of a new frontier for us, [21:14] and just the fact that we're taking this [21:16] kind of slow and smooth, smooth and fast, [21:17] and we're getting it in there [21:18] so we can test this out [21:19] so we don't get ahead of ourselves. [21:21] I think that's very impactful. [21:23] I think there's a lot of people out there [21:24] that need help, [21:25] not only our veterans, [21:26] but our civilian population [21:27] that can benefit from this, [21:29] and it's going to do great things [21:31] for our country [21:31] to get it back on track [21:32] and open up a lot of doorways [21:33] and pathways for us [21:35] to be successful in the future. [21:36] Thank you for your time. [21:37] That's fantastic. [21:38] So you've done this five years? [21:40] Yes, sir. [21:41] And it's just been a whole different thing? [21:43] Every single day is a better day for me. [21:44] Wow. [21:45] That's amazing, really. [21:46] I can vouch for that. [21:50] I'm here, this guy's got guts. [21:52] Come here. [21:52] Come on, these guys. [21:53] Two good guys. [21:54] I didn't realize you were involved in it already. [21:57] It's the best testament you can have. [21:59] There's nothing better than that. [22:01] A man who's really respected by everybody, [22:03] and he's a fantastic person, [22:05] Joe Rogan, to say a few words. [22:06] I want to say that I'm here [22:09] because of the man to my left. [22:10] Brian Hubbard and former Texas Governor Rick Perry [22:13] came on my podcast. [22:15] They told me how impactful this medicine is. [22:18] And having that conversation with them, [22:22] millions of people got a chance [22:24] to hear their story, [22:26] hear the stories of all the different people [22:28] that have had life-changing experiences from it. [22:31] And I want Brian to be able to speak about this. [22:34] Good. [22:35] Brian, please. [22:36] Thank you, sir. [22:37] I heard that, Joe. [22:39] You have no trouble speaking. [22:42] He's got no trouble speaking. [22:44] I want to assure you that my presence here [22:47] is the most concrete affirmation [22:49] that God has a wonderful sense of humor. [22:55] Thank you. [22:57] Thank you. [23:01] Federal prohibition of psychedelic medicine [23:05] in America is over. [23:07] On the 250th year of our nation's founding, [23:18] everyone who has fought for this day [23:21] through decades of monumental struggle, [23:25] sacrifice, and suffering [23:27] can now declare a seminal victory [23:31] for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. [23:35] Rights we bear as images of our eternal creator, [23:41] whose essence is almighty, eternal, unconditional love [23:47] for each and every one of us. [23:49] This is the end of the beginning. [23:53] We have moved mountains, yet there are mountains to move. [23:59] Government systems which have relentlessly suppressed psychedelics [24:03] are the same systems which will now manage their emergence. [24:06] We dare not let our guard down for one second [24:10] and be higher trigger ready [24:12] to impose accountability [24:13] for incompetence, obstruction, or failure. [24:18] Credit belongs, for credit is due. [24:22] With this executive order, [24:25] President Trump has delivered [24:27] an epic victory for all humanity. [24:33] I thank him for having the courage to make this happen. [24:37] And my mission brother, Joe Rogan, [24:41] for having the spine to make the ask. [24:46] To our brothers and sisters in Gabon, [24:49] you have our deepest gratitude for your stewardship [24:52] of the sacred tree grown for the healing of nations. [24:58] I will do my best to deliver the respect [25:01] and honor you deserve for helping heal this nation. [25:08] It is my joy to deliver these good tidings unto the meek, [25:13] which will hopefully bind up the brokenhearted, [25:17] proclaim liberty to the captives, [25:20] and the opening of the prison to all who are bound. [25:24] God bless you, and God bless America. [25:27] Thank you. [25:29] Tell everybody how this happened. [25:36] I sent President Trump some information. [25:39] We have a gigantic opiate problem in this country, obviously. [25:42] In 2024, more than 80,000 people died of overdoses. [25:46] It's a horrible number. [25:49] And there's more than 5 million people [25:51] that are addicted to opiates right now in this country. [25:54] With one dose of Ibogaine, [25:56] more than 80% of people are free of that addiction. [25:59] With two doses, it's more than 90%. [26:02] I sent him that information. [26:04] The text message came back, [26:06] sounds great. [26:07] Do you want FDA approval? [26:09] Let's do it. [26:10] It was literally that quick. [26:12] These drugs are illegal not because they're harmful. [26:17] They're illegal because of the 1970 Controlled Substances Act [26:21] that was passed by the Richard Nixon administration. [26:24] They did it to target the civil rights movement [26:26] and the anti-war movement. [26:27] It's not because these drugs harm people. [26:30] And for 56 years, [26:32] we've lived under those terrible conditions. [26:37] We're free of that now. [26:38] We're free of that now. [26:39] Thanks to all these people that you see next to me. [26:43] And thanks to President Trump. [26:46] Oh, God. [26:46] I all respect Joe. [26:55] He's a little bit more liberal than... [26:58] But that's okay. [27:01] I have a lot of friends that are liberal. [27:03] But Joe is an amazing guy. [27:06] And he wrote me a little note about this. [27:08] And I had it checked out. [27:09] I didn't just do it. [27:10] I had it checked out. [27:11] I went to Bobby and Oz. [27:13] I went to some of the people that work for you. [27:15] Real pros. [27:16] And everybody came back with the same answer. [27:18] You know, normally they'll come back [27:19] because this happens a lot. [27:21] I have a couple of them like that [27:22] where they're not sure. [27:24] It's like, you know, it goes two ways. [27:26] This thing, everybody thought it was incredible. [27:29] And I told Bobby, I said, [27:32] Bobby, let's just do it and get Oz involved. [27:36] And it's going to get done so quickly. [27:37] And you guys did a great job. [27:39] Would you like to say something else? [27:41] Mr. President, I want to thank Matt Zord, [27:43] who's hiding in the back there, [27:44] who actually on Sunday wrote a draft for this. [27:46] You already think Heidi and Kelly, [27:48] but, you know, Susie Wiles makes everything run here. [27:51] This was an unimaginable task in one week [27:54] to be able to go from a series of connections [27:56] and communications with Joe Rogan [27:58] through the honey badger of them all, [28:00] Bobby Kennedy, who said, [28:01] we're not going to stop. [28:02] We didn't start calling everyone down. [28:03] The bike steps. [28:04] Spear's been involved. [28:05] And Chris Klump, [28:05] who's been doing a fantastic job, [28:08] helping run everything in great efficiency, [28:11] made something. [28:11] And I just want to emphasize this. [28:12] This is an entire paradigm shift [28:14] away from a one-day-a-pill model, [28:17] which has failed so many. [28:18] And to many who are drug-resistant [28:20] that Joe just spoke to, [28:22] this offers them a way of getting out of that rut. [28:25] The question now is, [28:25] can we study why it works to understand it better, [28:28] to use it better? [28:28] That's what Jay Bhattacharya is going to do, [28:30] NIH, with major funding support, [28:32] perhaps with ARPA as well. [28:33] Marty spoke eloquently [28:34] about the FDA's accelerated pathway for this. [28:37] And then when we learn more, [28:39] figure out better ways [28:40] of getting access to these products [28:42] through our healthcare system. [28:43] This is an extraordinarily exciting day, [28:45] and it would never happen [28:46] if the president just would not take note [28:48] for an answer. [28:48] He went, he called on the way, Joe, [28:50] to the fight on Saturday. [28:52] And I think he was as determined [28:53] to get this done [28:54] as the men in those rings [28:57] and women in those rings that night. [28:59] Thank you, sir. [29:00] Yeah, determined. [29:01] I want to thank Professor Nolan Williams. [29:09] When I was a professor at Stanford, [29:10] I got to know him, [29:11] and he taught me about Ibogaine [29:13] and all the promise that it has [29:15] for treatment-resistant depression [29:17] and so many other conditions. [29:19] And frankly, for me, I learned a lot. [29:22] Unfortunately, he passed away last year. [29:24] I want to thank this amazing team [29:26] that just moved heaven and earth [29:28] to get things done. [29:29] I do want to emphasize, [29:30] this is something that we're still studying, [29:32] and we have to keep studying. [29:33] We have to figure out the right way [29:34] to make sure we administer it, [29:36] that it's safe, [29:37] that we don't just take it for granted. [29:39] We already know everything, [29:40] because we don't. [29:41] And for the NIH and for ARPA-H, [29:43] we are absolutely committed [29:44] to making sure that we keep studying it, [29:47] keep getting the best gold standard science on it. [29:49] You see here Nora Volkow, [29:52] who's my National Institute of Drug Abuse director. [29:56] She's been an absolute hero [29:57] in just developing scientific... [30:00] So the commitment for American science [30:02] to focus on this, [30:04] and in many ways, [30:05] that scientific advance [30:06] has brought us to this moment. [30:07] So thank you. [30:08] Thank you, President Trump. [30:09] But if it's good, [30:09] we want to get it fully approved fast, right? [30:11] I mean, for the things [30:12] that have great evidence, [30:13] and that's what the point is. [30:13] Because, you know, [30:14] these studies, [30:14] they're going for a long time, [30:15] and if it's good, [30:16] I mean, I have a witness right here, [30:18] these two incredible brothers, [30:21] that to me is a study, right? [30:22] I mean, just as Commissioner Mark McCary said, [30:26] there's stuff that we know, [30:27] and we can tell it works. [30:29] We still have to figure out [30:30] sometimes how it works [30:31] or why it works. [30:32] That we've got to keep doing [30:33] even as we move forward fast. [30:35] But it does work. [30:37] Some of those, [30:37] I mean, absolutely, [30:38] some of those treatments [30:39] absolutely would keep doing it. [30:40] Yes, it works. [30:40] It doesn't here. [30:41] It works. [30:42] I'm trying to answer it [30:44] because it either works [30:45] or it doesn't. [30:46] And I would think [30:46] that there's been [30:47] a lot of research already, [30:49] indirect research, [30:51] maybe the ultimate research, [30:52] people that have taken it. [30:53] Because I've spoken [30:54] to people that have taken it, [30:55] aside from the trail, [30:58] both of them. [30:59] I've spoken to five people [31:02] that had big problems. [31:04] I've done it three times. [31:05] Yeah, please. [31:06] It fixed my demonic relationship. [31:09] This is Rob O'Neill. [31:10] He's a friend of mine [31:11] and a great guy. [31:12] Go ahead. [31:12] It fixed my demonic relationship [31:14] with alcohol. [31:15] It saved my life, [31:16] and then it saved [31:16] my wife. [31:17] So every day's a blessing. [31:19] It took about three years of, [31:20] I did it three times. [31:21] It's a different adventure [31:22] every time. [31:24] That's not fun. [31:25] So without it, [31:26] you would have had problems? [31:28] I did it with, [31:29] there was a Green Beret, [31:30] 28-year sergeant major, [31:31] that told me when we finished, [31:33] make sure you tell Amber Capone, [31:34] the CEO of Veterans [31:35] Exploring Treatment Solutions, [31:36] that she saved my life [31:37] because I was going to [31:38] kill myself next week. [31:40] This was my last chance. [31:41] I had a 28-year veteran [31:42] tell me that. [31:43] This works. [31:44] Okay, good. [31:45] Mr. President, [31:46] could you ask Marcus [31:48] to speak about his experience? [31:51] Thank you, Secretary. [31:52] Yeah, Mr. President, [31:53] what Robin Neal is talking about, [31:55] my wife, Amber Capone, [31:56] is the CEO of our charity, [31:57] Vets, Veterans Exploring [31:58] Treatment Solutions. [32:00] We had prayed for this day [32:02] to come 10 years ago [32:03] when we started the charity. [32:04] We've been sending veterans [32:05] outside the country, [32:06] Joe, [32:06] that you've been talking about [32:07] for years, [32:08] several thousand now, [32:09] and we said the mission [32:10] will end once this day happens. [32:12] So we believe this is [32:13] a huge step [32:14] in maybe that the mission [32:15] goes away. [32:16] Now we have affordable access [32:17] right here in the U.S. [32:18] Why didn't they get it done? [32:19] We're getting it done right now. [32:20] You're getting it done. [32:21] Yeah. [32:21] Why are the presidents [32:24] looking at it, right? [32:25] Why didn't they get it done? [32:26] I think we needed you. [32:27] There's a small group of us [32:33] in the House [32:34] that have been [32:35] trying to move legislation [32:37] since I showed up. [32:39] Mr. Correa, [32:40] Mr. Bergman, [32:41] Mr. McCall, [32:41] Mr. Crenshaw, [32:42] every year have tried [32:44] to move legislation. [32:45] That side of the room [32:45] is not going to like [32:46] what I have to say about this. [32:48] And every year [32:48] it has all fallen short. [32:51] Every year it has all fallen short. [32:53] And it's because of [32:54] the proverbial roadblocks [32:56] that are always in the way. [32:57] Sure. [32:57] Fair assessment. [32:58] But those members [33:01] and myself [33:01] were convicted [33:02] never to give up. [33:04] Ever. [33:05] And with this executive order, [33:07] I'm going to maintain [33:08] the position, Mr. President. [33:09] With this executive order, [33:10] you have broken down [33:11] those barriers [33:12] and allowed us, [33:14] we could, [33:15] I have all the faith [33:16] in the world [33:16] that this will codify [33:17] and remain forever. [33:19] So thank you very much [33:20] for taking care [33:20] of your service members [33:21] and your veterans [33:21] and giving the members [33:23] that have been working [33:24] on this for so long [33:25] a chance. [33:26] Thank you, sir. [33:27] Well, this one, [33:28] I signed this. [33:28] This does solve it [33:30] for the three years, [33:31] but we'll get that, [33:32] we'll get that codified very soon. [33:34] Absolutely. [33:34] Thank you. [33:34] Once I sign it, [33:36] we get them codified. [33:37] So that'll be, [33:38] we'll make it permanent. [33:40] I have no doubt [33:40] it's going to be working. [33:42] Would anybody else [33:43] like to say something? [33:44] These two women [33:45] are so talented. [33:46] Well, I love an executive order [33:49] that says research, [33:50] research, research. [33:52] Because it's ultimately [33:53] what guides us [33:54] on how to optimally [33:55] do things. [33:56] And I think that [33:57] this is what hopefully [33:59] will start to happen. [34:01] And bringing up change [34:02] in a system [34:03] that has been very difficult [34:05] to modify [34:06] because of prior experiences. [34:10] These drugs have unique [34:11] characteristics [34:12] that could actually, [34:13] if we don't investigate them, [34:15] can bring us [34:15] into potential applications [34:17] that currently [34:18] we're not thinking about. [34:20] But if we close the door [34:21] to science, [34:22] if we close the door [34:22] to data, [34:23] we'll just keep on [34:24] doing the same thing. [34:26] Was that door closed? [34:27] Do you think the door [34:28] was closed? [34:28] It was hard. [34:29] It was hard to do research. [34:30] It's very, very hard. [34:31] And it's actually [34:32] just by scheduling [34:32] as a one, [34:33] it makes it very difficult. [34:34] So this is a big move then? [34:36] It's going to have [34:36] bigger than just this one thing [34:38] that we're talking about. [34:41] That's good. [34:42] That's good. [34:42] I'm glad we didn't waste [34:43] a Saturday morning. [34:45] Please. [34:47] Yes. [34:48] Mr. President, [34:49] this is a much-needed, [34:51] bold move [34:52] for precision mental health [34:54] for our veterans [34:55] and others [34:56] and accelerates access [34:58] to personalized, [35:00] targeted treatments. [35:03] As you have heard, [35:04] many, many veterans [35:05] and others [35:06] experiencing mental health [35:08] disorders, [35:09] they go through [35:10] up to years [35:11] of trial and error, [35:13] trying one treatment [35:14] that doesn't work, [35:15] trying another [35:16] and not knowing why. [35:18] My work at Stanford [35:20] and with my colleagues [35:22] is to develop [35:23] brain-based tests [35:24] that can be measured [35:26] right now [35:27] in our VA [35:28] and other locations [35:29] that help us understand [35:31] why these new treatments work [35:33] and who they'll be [35:35] most effective for. [35:37] So with your mandate, [35:39] we are in a position [35:40] to really accelerate [35:42] saving lives [35:43] of many more people [35:44] and getting them [35:45] well sooner. [35:47] And I believe that [35:48] with this, [35:49] the United States [35:50] will be the first country [35:51] in the world [35:52] to treat mental health [35:54] like we do cancer [35:56] and like we do [35:58] many other chronic [35:59] mental illnesses. [36:00] Thank you. [36:00] where now the world [36:02] is actually watching this [36:09] because there are a lot [36:10] of countries [36:10] that want to do this [36:11] and they haven't been able to. [36:14] They're going to be following suit [36:15] very, very strongly. [36:17] Thank you very much, both. [36:18] Anybody else? [36:19] You guys okay? [36:20] Everybody? [36:20] Let's sign it, right? [36:22] Say something? [36:23] Mr. President, thank you. [36:24] This treatment saved my life as well [36:26] and so many fellow veterans. [36:28] Helped me get off opiates, [36:29] stopped using a nerve stimulator [36:31] I hadn't planted, [36:32] sleep for the first time [36:33] in over 10 years. [36:34] So thank you. [36:36] And you have no doubt, right? [36:37] Zero. [36:38] Wow. [36:38] That's, to me, [36:39] that's the best research of all, [36:41] frankly. [36:42] Absolutely. [36:43] Okay, it's my honor. [36:56] Good, that's a good one. [36:57] I wanted this one to do. [36:59] Do you think Biden can do that? [37:03] Questions of the folks, [37:20] and I think we'll keep it [37:20] on the subject pretty much. [37:22] We'll have some questions [37:23] on Iran, I know that, [37:24] but this is such an important subject [37:26] that I'd rather let this [37:28] just speak for itself. [37:30] And we'll be talking about Iran later. [37:32] We have very good conversations [37:34] going on. [37:34] It's working out very well. [37:37] They got a little cute, [37:38] as they have been doing [37:39] for 47 years. [37:40] Nobody ever took them on. [37:42] We took them on. [37:43] They have no Navy. [37:45] They have no Air Force. [37:46] They have no leaders. [37:47] They have no nothing. [37:48] Actually, their leaders are, [37:49] it is regime change. [37:51] You call that enforced regime change. [37:54] But we're talking to them. [37:56] They wanted to close up [37:58] the strait again, [38:00] you know, [38:00] as they've been doing for years. [38:03] And they can't blackmail us. [38:05] In fact, a lot of the ships [38:06] are coming up to Texas. [38:07] I don't know if you know, [38:07] in Louisiana, [38:08] the ships are coming up. [38:09] They got used to it. [38:11] Maybe they'll keep doing it. [38:12] It's worked out pretty good. [38:14] But it's going actually [38:16] along very well. [38:18] And we'll see. [38:19] But we'll have some information [38:21] by the end of the day. [38:22] We're talking to them. [38:23] And, you know, [38:24] we're taking a tough stand. [38:25] They've killed a lot of people. [38:27] A lot of our people [38:27] have been killed. [38:28] A lot of your fellow soldiers [38:30] have been killed [38:30] over the years by Iran. [38:33] The roadside bomb. [38:35] Soleimani. [38:35] I killed Soleimani. [38:37] Thank you for that. [38:37] He was making the explosive [38:38] form penetrators. [38:39] They're making them in Iran, [38:40] bringing them to Iraq [38:41] and blast them through the vehicles. [38:42] Well, he was the father [38:43] of the roadside bomb, [38:44] essentially. [38:45] And he killed a lot of people. [38:46] And when you see soldiers [38:48] or others, [38:49] but soldiers generally [38:50] walking around with no legs, [38:51] with no arms, [38:52] a face that's been smashed, [38:54] that was Soleimani, [38:55] that was Iran that did that. [38:57] So we have a much different view [38:59] on it than other presidents. [39:01] They've gotten away [39:02] with murder for 47 years. [39:04] They're not getting away [39:04] with it anymore. [39:06] Does anybody have any questions [39:07] with the great professionals? [39:09] Please. [39:10] So I wanted to know, [39:11] is this, [39:12] could this potentially [39:13] ever be available [39:13] through the VA? [39:15] You know, [39:15] because I was talking to Liz [39:16] over here, [39:16] one of your, [39:18] you guys went down [39:18] in Mexico together. [39:19] But it's really expensive. [39:21] And this is another drug [39:22] that's expensive. [39:22] And a lot of parents... [39:23] We have the right guy, [39:24] Oz. [39:24] Let's go. [39:25] A lot of parents need this. [39:26] Well, you're good [39:26] for this question. [39:28] You're talking about [39:29] expense and availability. [39:30] So I spoke to Doug Collins. [39:32] Obviously, [39:33] both he, [39:34] and he obviously [39:34] pays for the VA, [39:35] and we pay for Medicare, [39:36] Medicaid, [39:37] Children's Health Insurance, [39:38] are very focused [39:39] on the results [39:40] that the NIH and FDA [39:41] are going to offer us. [39:42] We have a mechanism [39:44] of creating models, [39:45] CMMI. [39:46] That might be [39:47] the wise way to go [39:48] because we can continue [39:49] to study the impact. [39:50] It is such a massive shift [39:51] in how you deliver care. [39:53] Imagine, [39:53] instead of taking [39:54] a pill a day [39:55] for your depression, [39:56] you go through one treatment, [39:57] but you have to have [39:58] a few people watching you. [39:59] It's a very different world. [40:00] So we're working that through. [40:01] That's why the president, [40:03] who I think [40:03] this is the perfect step [40:04] to get everything rolling, [40:05] to deliver on the promise. [40:06] What timing would you say [40:08] on that before you know? [40:09] Well, [40:10] we could have a CMMI model [40:11] that we would announce [40:12] by the end of this year, [40:13] but the reason [40:14] I'm not committing [40:15] to that now [40:16] is I want to make sure [40:16] that the FDA and NIH [40:18] have time, [40:18] along with the great scientists, [40:19] to give us a bit more information [40:21] about how to deliver care. [40:22] I'll give you [40:22] one concrete example [40:23] for things like, [40:24] well, [40:25] Ibogaine is a little different story, [40:26] but you wouldn't want [40:27] two people in the room [40:28] during the treatment. [40:28] That's true [40:29] for many of these approaches. [40:31] That's a very different way [40:32] of delivering medicine. [40:33] And so the models [40:34] that Abe Sutton runs [40:36] of that group for us [40:37] and said a great job [40:37] for the President, [40:38] that would be probably [40:39] the fastest way [40:40] of moving forward [40:40] and give the VA data [40:42] so they can make [40:43] wiser decisions [40:44] because Doug Collins [40:44] is very focused on this. [40:45] There's one thing I'd add. [40:47] There's nothing more expensive [40:48] right now [40:49] than the mental health crisis [40:50] in America. [40:51] 21% of Americans [40:53] have a diagnosable [40:54] mental health condition. [40:56] The leading cause, [40:58] excuse me, [40:58] the second leading cause [40:59] of death [41:00] for young adults today [41:01] is suicide. [41:03] Mr. President, [41:04] antidepressants right now [41:06] are the most prescribed [41:08] class medications [41:08] in the country. [41:10] Over 20% of women [41:11] are on an antidepressant visa. [41:12] And is that good [41:13] in terms of do they work? [41:14] There's highly problematic [41:15] research on the fact [41:18] that over 20% [41:19] of U.S. women [41:20] are on these drugs [41:22] that are prescribed [41:23] for life. [41:24] We have a mental health crisis [41:26] and they work. [41:28] No. [41:29] They don't. [41:30] I want a couple of them. [41:32] We'll get you down in the next few years. [41:35] We'll get you down in the next few years. [41:37] I'm not going to win. [41:38] I said, [41:39] okay, can I be next? [41:40] But no, [41:40] it is definitely an issue [41:41] for women. [41:43] Mr. President, [41:44] what you and Secretary Kennedy [41:45] unlocked [41:46] is for the first time [41:48] questioning this system [41:50] that where we spend [41:51] three times more per capita [41:54] than any other country [41:55] in the world [41:56] and we are living [41:57] six, seven years less. [41:58] We have the highest rates [41:59] of suicide [41:59] and depression [42:00] in the developed world. [42:02] The incentives of our system [42:03] are not. [42:03] And by the way, [42:04] autism, [42:04] which we're really [42:05] working hard on. [42:06] Right, Bob? [42:06] We have the highest rates [42:07] of pediatric cancer. [42:07] And we're coming up [42:08] with some pretty amazing findings. [42:10] Pediatric cancer [42:11] is the highest rates [42:12] in the world. [42:12] We are struggling [42:14] and we're paying more [42:15] than any other country [42:16] and the power [42:17] of this objective order [42:18] is really representative [42:19] and gives validation [42:20] to the cries [42:21] of ma-ha moms [42:22] and the votes [42:22] of ma-ha moms [42:23] because it's the first time. [42:25] It's taking a therapy. [42:26] That's one time. [42:27] This is a one time. [42:28] One time. [42:29] Not a lifetime drought. [42:30] That can change [42:31] someone's life. [42:32] And that's the power [42:32] and I think that's why [42:33] the system is not alive. [42:34] So the antidepressants, [42:35] although we read about it [42:36] and we describe [42:37] to our military, [42:38] they're not very effective? [42:40] It's a lifetime drug [42:41] and... [42:42] Well, even if it's lifetime, [42:43] but do they... [42:44] Look at what's happened [42:45] as we prescribed them [42:46] and they made one of the most [42:47] prescribed classes of medication. [42:48] The numbers are not great. [42:50] Perhaps I could jump in [42:51] from the scientific side. [42:53] Thank you, Mr. President. [42:54] What's the timeline? [42:55] Oh, look. [42:55] She just wanted to say something. [42:56] I think what's really important [43:00] about your order [43:01] is you include... [43:02] We really want to understand [43:04] why these rapid-acting treatments work. [43:07] We need that for every treatment [43:09] in mental health illnesses. [43:12] Standard antidepressants [43:13] in research, [43:14] they do work for some people, [43:16] but certainly not everyone. [43:18] And if we think of cancer, [43:20] all other conditions, [43:21] we have a test [43:22] to know which treatment... [43:24] Right, that's right. [43:25] ...is needed, [43:26] and we don't have that [43:27] for mental illness. [43:28] It's guesswork. [43:29] This is tough. [43:30] With that, [43:31] it either works [43:31] or it doesn't work [43:32] and you have the result. [43:33] With this, you don't know. [43:34] As part of this order, [43:36] I think it's really important [43:38] that we're able [43:39] to have the investment [43:41] to understand [43:42] who does this work for [43:43] and the test [43:44] to accompany that. [43:47] So thank you [43:47] for making that point. [43:48] Do you think [43:48] this could be a big step [43:49] above antidepressants? [43:51] What we're doing? [43:52] I think it can be identifying [43:54] who doesn't respond [43:55] to an antidepressant [43:57] straightaway [43:57] rather than waiting for years. [44:00] What percentage of people [44:01] respond positively [44:03] to antidepressants? [44:05] 20 to 30 percent. [44:06] That's not great. [44:07] No. [44:08] That's not great. [44:09] Well, thank you very much. [44:10] Good question. [44:11] Mr. President, [44:12] what's the timeline [44:13] for those with mental health disorders, [44:15] substance abuse disorders, [44:16] to readily take advantage [44:18] of this treatment [44:19] based upon the executive order [44:20] that you're signing today? [44:21] So I'd like to ask [44:22] maybe Marty that question. [44:23] Sure. [44:24] So first of all, [44:25] right now it's available [44:26] on clinical trials. [44:27] We have not had applications [44:29] in-house at the FDA. [44:30] There was one that came in [44:31] under the Biden administration. [44:33] It was kicked out [44:34] and not accepted. [44:35] We now have three applications [44:37] that are imminent [44:38] and we'll be issuing [44:39] vouchers next week. [44:41] The fastest FDA approval [44:42] was 42 days [44:44] during the HIV epidemic. [44:45] On our national priority voucher program [44:48] under President Trump, [44:49] we are now down [44:50] to that time frame [44:51] on a routine basis [44:53] instead of a year. [44:54] In my opinion, [44:56] we need the same level [44:57] of urgency we have [44:58] with HIV [44:59] for PTSD [45:00] and depression [45:01] and anxiety [45:02] and our mental health disorder [45:03] and cancer [45:04] and heart disease [45:05] and so many other conditions. [45:06] So you're going to see [45:07] decisions out from the FDA [45:09] later this summer [45:10] as soon as we get the applications. [45:11] Thank you. [45:12] That's great. [45:13] And Mr. President, [45:13] in regards to the timing [45:23] of the executive order, [45:25] was there not enough known [45:26] about this treatment [45:27] a year ago [45:29] or five years ago [45:30] or eight years ago [45:31] to sign the executive order [45:33] that you signed? [45:34] So do you want to answer [45:35] that question? [45:35] Go ahead. [45:36] I'm just adding, [45:36] 2016, [45:38] the lead professor [45:39] at Johns Hopkins [45:40] said this was [45:41] the most promising therapy [45:43] that he's seen [45:44] in his career [45:44] and many doctors [45:45] from leading institutions [45:46] said that. [45:47] There's been a hold. [45:49] There's been incentives [45:50] against this [45:50] and the bravery [45:52] and leadership [45:52] of President Trump [45:53] that's the same. [45:53] So you're using artificial barriers? [45:54] Yes. [45:55] And this, to be clear, [45:56] is starting a scientific, [45:58] a fast-track scientific process [45:59] that's subject [46:00] to FDA approval. [46:01] But this has been known [46:03] among leading institutions [46:04] for many times [46:05] as a very promising therapy. [46:07] So could it not have been signed [46:09] in your first term [46:10] or there just wasn't [46:10] enough information [46:11] to know about it? [46:11] Nobody told me about it, [46:12] frankly. [46:13] I got, [46:14] all of a sudden, [46:14] I've been getting [46:15] a lot of calls. [46:16] I think a lot, [46:17] in all fairness, [46:17] I think a lot's been learned [46:18] over the last few years. [46:20] I should say that. [46:20] I mean, [46:20] a lot has been learned [46:21] over the past few years. [46:23] And I think in the first term, [46:24] if I was standing behind the president, [46:26] I would have much more [46:27] uncomfortable than I am now [46:28] thanks to the research [46:29] that's been done. [46:30] I mean, [46:31] there's still a lot more to do. [46:32] It's worked for so many people. [46:33] It's really a great move [46:35] to do this. [46:36] But the research [46:37] is really important [46:38] because we're going [46:38] to keep improving, [46:39] keep learning, [46:40] and make sure [46:41] that the people [46:42] get the treatment [46:43] that they need [46:43] when they are depressed, [46:44] when they are addicted, [46:45] when they have PTSD. [46:47] If you keep doing the research [46:49] and also acknowledge [46:50] the research that's been done, [46:52] that's when you get [46:52] good health policy. [46:53] And Secretary Kennedy's role, [46:55] he just doesn't stop. [46:57] Every day, [46:59] all day long, [46:59] until he gets [47:00] these things done. [47:00] This is not an easy [47:01] boulder to push up the hill. [47:04] And Secretary Kennedy [47:05] was undaunted. [47:06] And he'd been talking [47:07] about it for a while, [47:07] so he had a passion anyway. [47:08] But his mentoring, [47:10] it's allowed a lot of folks [47:11] to move this quickly. [47:12] And if I can jump in rapidly, [47:16] because I was one of those doctors [47:17] that was not supportive [47:19] of psychedelic therapy [47:20] because I thought [47:21] it was magical thinking. [47:23] But over the past six to ten years, [47:26] we have seen an emergence [47:28] of data that we cannot ignore. [47:30] These drugs have the capacity, [47:32] as was mentioned before, [47:33] with one single administration [47:35] to change the behavior [47:37] of someone [47:38] towards a therapeutic effect. [47:40] In animal models, [47:42] one single administration [47:43] creates, [47:44] recreates pathways [47:46] that have been eroded [47:47] because of pathology. [47:49] So we have a tool [47:50] that potentially could allow us [47:52] to basically manipulate [47:55] the ability of our own bodies [47:57] to heal itself [47:58] if we know how [47:59] to properly use it. [48:01] And that's why research, [48:02] as I mentioned before, [48:03] is opening up doors [48:05] to explore what else can we do, [48:07] how to optimally use it. [48:10] But you're just hearing [48:11] and seeing automatic research. [48:13] You're hearing and seeing things now [48:15] that you wouldn't have really, [48:17] you wouldn't be able [48:19] to have done a couple of years ago. [48:21] I mean, it just seems to me, [48:22] I've been hearing about it [48:23] a little bit over the last year. [48:25] Over the last year, [48:26] I never heard anything [48:27] about it in the past. [48:29] It was almost like taboo. [48:31] It's not taboo anymore. [48:33] And there was not enough [48:34] science neither. [48:35] And I think that's where [48:36] the evidence speaks for itself. [48:38] And ultimately, [48:39] that's what I say, [48:40] I was one of those doctors [48:41] that didn't believe in it. [48:42] So we do data [48:44] in order to change [48:45] our perspective [48:46] and to do things better. [48:47] I was surprised to hear [48:48] about the antidepressants. [48:50] I presume they'd be better. [48:51] That's not very good. [48:52] So, Bobby, [48:53] you're going to push it very hard? [48:54] Yes. [48:55] We're going to get it done? [48:56] We're going to push it. [48:57] These two guys [48:58] and this third [48:59] with Rob too [49:00] and with you. [49:02] I mean, that to me [49:02] is research, right? [49:03] Maybe the ultimate research, right? [49:05] Big fans. [49:05] Big fans. [49:06] Well, I want to thank everybody [49:09] and it's going to be [49:11] thank you very much. [49:23] Would you have a spy?