Unsealed Doc Reveals Exactly What Prosecutors Say Happened to Anna Kepner on the Carnival Horizon

[0:00] Well, guys, one document totaling 145 pages, 143 pages, something like that, has dropped in the federal case. [0:15] It was previously sealed. [0:16] It is the transcript of a detention hearing for one Timothy Hudson, the minor young man being charged as a grown man in the murder of Anna Kepner. [0:33] And there's so much detail in the transcription transcript of this hearing that I think we're going to take two days to go over it. [0:43] Today, we're going to focus on the federal proffer and some of the testimony. [0:50] Tomorrow we will switch gears and we will talk a little bit about the defense. [0:55] But there is so much in here that we are learning that we haven't heard before. [1:00] A lot of articles are characterizing and paraphrasing what is in this document and that news is being put out there. [1:09] And I think that is terrific. [1:11] But here on this program, we want to get into the nitty gritty. [1:15] So we're going to get into the document itself. [1:18] Now, I have published this document to my patrons on Patreon. [1:23] There's a link in the description below for those who want to read the entire thing in its entirety. [1:29] Entire thing in its entirety? [1:32] Who came up with that sentence, Javi? [1:34] Was that me? [1:35] That was me. [1:36] I need to, I need to fix that. [1:38] But it's there for those of you who want to read the entire thing in its entirety. [1:46] But despair not, we're going to go over it over the next two days if you're not a patron of mine. [1:53] I want to point out that I have set a goal, a Super Chat goal on this particular live stream, guys. [2:01] And I see that we've got a couple that have already started us out. [2:04] We will, I will be sure to thank those folks here shortly. [2:09] But this document uses the R word. [2:13] It talks about SA. [2:15] It talks about some very, very grown-up, evil, disgusting criminal acts that were allegedly perpetrated against a 17-year-old girl. [2:25] And while I'm going to do my best to make them a little YouTube friendly, I think I'm going to be demonetized on this video. [2:34] And that's okay. [2:36] So thank you very much in advance for supporting my work here while we go through this. [2:43] And like I like to say, we've got a big show that we've got to fit in a tiny container. [2:49] Let me just take a look at my notes before we go. [2:51] We've got the transcript. [2:53] We've got three questions. [2:54] We've got some headlines in the Melody Buzzard case, in the Emmanuel Haro case, in the Noel Rodriguez Alvarez case. [3:02] Of course, we've got good news. [3:04] So we've got a lot. [3:05] We've got 10 gallons of show to put into a five-gallon bucket. [3:08] Let's get started. [3:10] This video contains mature themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences. [3:27] Viewer discretion is advised. [3:29] Hello there, my friend. [3:32] Welcome back to another True Crime Conversation with me, Gavin Fish. [3:35] So glad that you would join me wherever you're joining me from. [3:39] Please put that in the live chat in the comments. [3:42] I love to see where you're tuning in from. [3:45] We want to start out today with the question of the day as we have kind of created this tradition. [3:52] Question of the day for the comments is, we all know that Timothy Hudson, known in court documents as TH, who is charged in the murder of Anna Kepner, was released into the custody of family members pending his court proceedings. [4:10] The question is, should he have been released? [4:15] Put your comments in or, you know, drop your comment, put a GF in that comment so that I can see it. [4:21] And while you're in there, tell me where you are tuning in from. [4:26] I like to read those comments. [4:28] Guys, today we are talking about the murder of 17 year old Titusville, Florida. [4:33] A young woman who was on a trip with her family aboard the Carnival Horizon. [4:40] This was her senior year of high school. [4:44] They were cruising the Caribbean together when she disappeared and nobody could find her. [4:54] Lo and behold, she was unceremoniously, unlovingly, disrespectfully, and in so many other ways murdered and shoved, stuffed into the little area where they store life preservers. [5:15] She was in the very room where she was sharing the room with her stepbrothers and where her little stepbrother slept right next to her dead corpse until she was found the following day by housekeeping. [5:32] So this is just some of the stuff that has come out in this case. [5:37] We're going to get into the details. [5:39] Let's let's keep this picture of Anna up and let's go look to see what you guys are saying in the live chat right now answering the question of the day. [5:49] So glad. [5:51] Man, I tried something new today, too, by getting the live stream started a little bit early. [5:57] I don't know that I will continue to do that, but that was just fun. [6:00] Tiana says Gavin, it seemed the younger brother did report the disturbance the night before and the parents did nothing. [6:06] Can they be charged for ignoring all the red flags? [6:09] Reckless endangerment, at least. [6:10] I don't know the answer to that question, but I kind of feel that if there was something that they could be charged with, they would have been charged with by now. [6:18] Stupidity is not a crime. [6:23] I don't think that I don't think reckless endangerment probably applies here. [6:29] I don't even think negligence probably applies here. [6:32] But I guess we'll see. [6:35] I guess we will see. [6:37] What do we got? [6:40] Oh, Mooney, thank you very much for getting us started. [6:43] Take two, Javi. [6:45] Getting us started with the Super Chats. [6:48] I deeply appreciate your help. [6:50] Robin asked Gavin, did you talk to Joseph Scott Morgan about this case since documents have come out? [6:55] I have not. [6:56] I have not. [6:57] We've got Mr. Morgan. [6:59] I don't know if you guys noticed, but a busy, busy man. [7:04] Grammy, Bethy B, thank you very much for your Super Chat. [7:09] I appreciate that. [7:10] 1983 Tabby is tuning in from good old Pennsylvania. [7:14] Or as my great niece would say, not anymore. [7:17] She grew out of it, but she'd say, Beth Vanua? [7:21] I loved it. [7:23] I loved it. [7:24] Texas is in the house. [7:25] What do we have? [7:27] Baby Firefly Gavin joining from Glasgow, Scotland. [7:31] So interested to hear more about this case. [7:33] There seems to be a lot of serious violent crimes happening with younger offenders at the moment. [7:37] Currently, it does seem that way. [7:39] And Robin, thank you for the Super Chat. [7:44] Three cheers for Wheat Grannies. [7:47] It's good stuff. [7:48] Grannies Unite. [7:50] Mooney, answering the question of the day. [7:52] Gavin, absolutely, positively not. [7:55] CRPS Warrior says, no, no, no, no, no from Arizona. [8:01] Kind of like a, oh, and we got more no, no, no's from Wendy. [8:05] You guys are singing, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. [8:10] Yeah. [8:11] Granny Debbie saying, no, absolutely not. [8:13] Ella James, also no. [8:16] Scotch's mom, Timothy Hudson, should be in jail while awaiting trial. [8:21] Pam, no, no, no. [8:25] G Smile Sarah from Colorado saying, absolutely not. [8:30] Southeast Pennsylvania saying, he should be in custody. [8:33] Alabama is in the house. [8:35] Stormy Alabama. [8:36] Marie, it's good to see you. [8:39] Baby Firefly again. [8:40] No, I don't think he should have been released. [8:42] Partly worried about there being a Brian Laundrie type outcome. [8:46] Oh, great comment. [8:48] Great comment. [8:49] Aside from the potential for further crime. [8:53] Thank you very much for that comment. [8:55] Erie PA is in the house. [8:57] Cabling. [8:58] The mom did not give him meds for two nights, even though I feel our kids are way over medicated. [9:04] I hadn't heard that little detail. [9:06] Kentucky is in the house. [9:08] North Platte, Nebraska or North Platte, Nebraska. [9:11] Thank you very much, Jenny, for being here. [9:14] What is it? [9:16] Jadzia Dax saying, no, I'm against bail for anyone charged with homicide. [9:22] Yeah. [9:23] Look at photos. [9:24] Dulos and Lee Gilly is one that we've looked at recently. [9:27] Of course. [9:28] I'm glad of the early starts. [9:30] 11 PM here in the UK. [9:32] Okay. [9:33] There's a little, there's a little feedback for that. [9:36] Hard. [9:37] No. [9:39] Let's see. [9:40] What do we know? [9:41] No, knowing about cabling. [9:42] The question of the day cabling. [9:44] No, with no reservation says moonlight view. [9:49] Why they would let him out is beyond me. [9:52] Northeast Kentucky checking in. [9:54] Surprise. [9:55] Arizona is here. [9:57] Real happy. [10:00] 33 says when his mom testified, it did cross my mind that pharmaceuticals will likely be blamed. [10:07] And, uh, G bear 55. [10:11] If he's on medication for psychological reasons, you can't just stop them. [10:15] Great. [10:16] Um, great input, everybody. [10:18] Thank you very much for that input. [10:20] Hey, real quick. [10:21] Let me just do a little, little housekeeping real quick. [10:26] Just, uh, just kind of like channel business. [10:30] Okay. [10:31] And then we will get into the case. [10:32] I promise. [10:33] I was talking with Justin over at fan of them. [10:36] As you guys know, we did a giveaway of an amazing Omega speed master, uh, in partnership with fan of them.com. [10:45] And it takes about seven to 10 days for them to announce the winner and get it all published and everything like that. [10:52] But he told me today that their third party service chose the winner. [10:57] And for the first time in the history of their company, they have a female winner. [11:04] Most of the content creators that partner with fan of them are kind of dude shows. [11:10] And we were a little bit worried that, that you guys wouldn't really like the giveaway this way. [11:17] And maybe the, the thing that we had selected wasn't quite part of, um, this, uh, didn't really kind of match our, our vibe here on the channel. [11:29] But I love watches and I love watches on everybody. [11:33] And so I decided to do it and it turned out really great. [11:37] You guys really supported me, supported the show. [11:40] And one of you won that speed master. [11:44] And I can't wait to be able to announce who that is. [11:47] I don't know yet. [11:48] I don't know yet. [11:49] I think we will probably do another giveaway at the end of June with fan of them again. [11:55] I think it's going to be, we're going to take part in a car giveaway, uh, which again is kind of dude ish, but everybody loves awesome cars, especially if they come from the nineties and their hot rods. [12:07] And so I think, I think I'm going to participate in that. [12:10] That's a great way for you guys to support the show. [12:13] And I, I really, really appreciate you guys. [12:16] Another great way to support the show is if you have Spotify premium video membership and you're on the rewatch crew. [12:24] To watch over on Spotify that, that helps more than, you know, it's crazy. [12:28] Uh, we have got another super chat in. [12:32] Thank you very much to, uh, G smile, Sarah. [12:35] And thank you for adding the GF. [12:37] I appreciate that. [12:39] And autumn is saying, wait, a drivable car. [12:42] Yeah, it's a cool car. [12:43] It's a truck from the nineties. [12:47] That is a hot rod. [12:48] It's pretty cool. [12:50] So, and it's going to be like three or four of us content creators doing it together. [12:55] It's what we're going to be doing. [12:57] So it should be fun. [12:59] It should be fun. [13:00] Okay. [13:01] Join me, if you will, over here on Acrobat. [13:06] Let me bring it up to the first page. [13:09] There we go. [13:10] Okay. [13:13] This is a document. [13:14] Now this is a federal case because the murder of Anna Kepner took place in, uh, territorial waters of the United States, but not within any state. [13:27] It is a federal crime. [13:29] There's a federal murder charge, which is, I mean, I almost said, this is great. [13:36] It's not great. [13:37] Come on. [13:38] We've got, we've got a young woman who is dead and a young man who is on trial for his freedom. [13:46] He's being tried as an adult. [13:48] There's nothing great about this, but the silver lining for those of us who want to follow the case is it's federal. [13:54] And so it's very easy to get access to these documents through the government's PACER system. [14:02] I can't remember what PACER stands for, but, uh, it's a court records lookup. [14:08] And as long as documents aren't sealed, they're very easy to get. [14:13] So you can see the case number here. [14:17] Uh, you can search for it on PACER yourself. [14:19] If you have a PACER account, it costs something like $3 to get this document or, you know, for five bucks. [14:27] If you want to support me on Patreon, you get access to this document, all, all the other documents I post there and, and the case, uh, documents on my website. [14:39] But here is the case number. [14:41] This is document number 72. [14:43] And, uh, it was entered into the docket earlier this month. [14:49] It was unsealed recently. [14:51] This is the U S versus th one Timothy Hudson. [14:56] And this was, this is a transcription of a detention hearing from back in February, February 6th, 2026. [15:06] Now you may be asking yourself, why are you talking about this now, Gavin? [15:11] It's it's months old. [15:13] It doesn't matter to me that if we are first or last to talk about something, when there's something newsworthy, we definitely talk about it. [15:21] Now, what I've decided to do today is instead of going over all 145 pages, [15:28] there are three chunks that I want to get to. [15:30] And chunk number one starts on page 23 for, if I remember correctly. [15:36] Yes. [15:37] Okay. [15:39] Now to yada yada, pages one through 22. [15:42] What is happening here is the, uh, assistant United States attorney, a woman named Alejandra Lopez, who was prosecuting the case is engaged in what is a proffer of evidence. [15:58] Basically the purpose of this hearing is, does this boy need to be jailed? [16:08] Does he need to be detained? [16:10] Does he need to be, does the community need to be safe from him? [16:15] And so I'm going to listen to the prosecution who may call witnesses and the defense may cross-examine those witnesses. [16:24] And indeed that does happen in this, uh, in this hearing. [16:30] But for right now, this is just a presentation by Ms. Lopez. [16:34] And I have yada yada a bunch of it. [16:38] And we're starting at page 23. [16:41] For those of you who may go grab the document either on PACER or on Patreon. [16:46] And, uh, you can see where we are. [16:48] Okay. [16:49] All right. [16:50] Here's Ms. Lopez stating the facts on or about November 2nd, the family, I'm sorry, the victim and her family to include T the defendant, [16:58] the defendant departed the port of Miami in Miami, Florida for a one week cruise around the Caribbean. [17:05] At some point, they made a stop in Cozumel, Mexico. [17:08] Now, during this board voyage, the victim shared a cabin with her 13 year old half brother, the minor witness and T that cabin was numbered 8343. [17:20] The victim's father, T's mother, and two minor female steps, uh, sisters and stepsisters shared a separate cabin across the hall numbered 8341. [17:33] Now on or about November 7th, 2027, after members of the ship Horizon, which is a carnival cruise ship, went into cabin 8343. [17:45] So this is, they left on the second. [17:48] So five days in, they went into the cabin 8343 to clean it. [17:53] And there they found the victim wrapped in a blanket and stuffed underneath her bed, which was the bed closest to the wall of the cabin. [18:02] According to the attendants who found her, it appeared that someone had tried to hide her again by partially putting her underneath the bed and putting a box of life vests to cover the view of the body from the rest of the room. [18:16] It also had appeared that the bed had not been slept in. [18:21] The carnival cruise line officials called the FBI who met the ship Horizon at the port of Miami upon its return November 8th, 2025. [18:32] From the dates of November 6th, 2025 through November 7th, when the victim victim's body was found, the ship was in the high seas. [18:42] It had left the port of Cozumel on its way back to Miami. [18:46] After the FBI boarded the ship on November 8th, they conducted numerous interviews of the family members, as well as looked at different things that the cruise ship had, including closed circuit television. [18:59] And it was revealed that after the family had returned to the ship on November 6th, visiting Cozumel, the family met for dinner on the horizon. [19:11] During the dinner, the victim stated that she did not feel well, complaining of pain in her mouth due to her braces and an upset stomach. [19:21] Here is a picture of Anna once again. [19:25] So she returned to her room cabin 8343 by herself. [19:30] And that was captured by the closed circuit television. [19:36] As previously stated, the FBI then looked at the closed circuit television and it revealed the movements of the victim, T, as well as, hmm, I think she misstated that. [19:54] Okay, movements of victim, T, as well as 13 year old brother, the minor witness. [20:00] Now he had been spoken to by the FBI, as well as he stated that he did go into the room for short periods of time during the evening after dinner. [20:10] And that was corroborated by closed circuit television. [20:14] He did say, though, that after he decided to come back to the room to go to sleep, when he opened the cabin door to 8343, T put his arm out to block the room entrance from opening and did not allow the minor witness to enter and yelled, wait, don't come inside, saying that he was changing. [20:33] The minor witness noticed that both the bathroom and closet doors were open and all the lights of the cabin were turned on, which he thought was odd or, excuse me, weird. [20:45] Again, this is a transcription of a person speaking, right? [20:49] T then instructed the minor witness to wait outside of the cabin. [20:54] CCTV captures this where the minor witness then sits outside in the hallway, right outside the door, sitting down for a few minutes before T opens the door and allows him to go. [21:05] And allows him to enter. [21:06] The minor witness acknowledged that the last time he had seen the victim inside of the cabin was earlier in the evening when he had gone in for a minute to retrieve something with his friends. [21:17] The CCTV provided the following information about the movements of T, the victim and the minor witness. [21:24] At approximately 7 38 PM, the victim is seen entering cabin, let's remember this, the timeline, 7 38 PM. [21:33] The victim is seen entering cabin 8343. [21:37] And this is the last time the victim is seen alive by CCTV footage, 7 38. [21:42] I wish I had paper to write this down. [21:46] Okay. [21:47] 7 38. [21:49] I'm going to. [21:52] All right. [21:55] At approximately 7 51. [21:57] The minor witness is seen walking down the hall towards 8343 with two friends. [22:03] He enters the room and quickly exits. [22:06] So 7 51. [22:08] I would imagine she would be alive there. [22:11] Right. [22:12] At some point that evening at about 7 35 PM T is entering the cabin. [22:18] So three minutes before. [22:20] So this is an at 7 38. [22:22] This is witness 7 51 at 7 35 T enters. [22:29] So T enters the cabin three minutes before the victim enters the cabin. [22:34] He is not seen exiting the cabin again by CCTV until 10 13 PM. [22:41] So T exits. [22:44] I'm, I'm jotting this down on my hand. [22:48] Okay. [22:49] Upon opening the cabin door at 10 13 PM, T is seen looking left and right down the hallway, [22:57] appearing to check if there's anyone in the hallway. [23:00] And then he walks outside of cabin 8343. [23:03] This is the only time in which T does that action when exiting the cabin door. [23:07] So they must've gone back to see him coming in and out. [23:12] Does he do the whole, huh? [23:14] Huh? [23:15] Checking? [23:16] Nobody watching? [23:18] Never does. [23:19] He only does that. [23:20] The one time between, between 10 23 and 10 49 T is observed entering and exiting the cabin [23:32] approximately two more times. [23:35] Then at 10 53 PM T exits the cabin. [23:42] And is observed placing the privacy sign on the cabin door and reenters the cabin at 11 0 7 PM. [23:49] So 11 0 7 T enters. [23:55] All right. [23:58] Then from 11 21 to 11 23 PM. [24:01] The minor witness is observed entering and exiting cabin, cabin, cabin, cabin 8, 3, 4, 3. [24:08] This is where he tells FBI that he does not see his sister. [24:11] He sees her at the initial entering that occurred at 7 51. [24:16] So she was alive. [24:17] Then after the minor witness leaves at 11 23 PM. [24:20] At approximately 11 31 PM T exits the cabin and reenters at 11 44. [24:28] Then at 12 09 in the morning. [24:30] Now on November 7th, the minor witness is seen entering the room, is quickly observed, not being let in. [24:37] And then he waits outside in the hallway for a couple of minutes until he reenters the cabin. [24:42] So he's, that happens twice. [24:44] The CCTV also showed that T exited the cabin a couple of times in the morning between the times of 9 AM and 11 30 PM, excuse me, AM outside of the same cabin. [24:58] So he stays in there overnight. [25:02] And then starting at 9, between 9 and 11 30 AM outside the cabin, he, he enters and exits during one of those specifically. [25:14] I'll get back to the time in between, but 11 24 AM, the horizon stateroom attendant goes into the cabin. [25:20] And then she is seen quickly coming out and getting her supervisor who also comes into the cabin. [25:27] And that is when they discover the victim's body at approximately 11 27 PM. [25:36] T is seen walking by the hallway towards 83 43. [25:40] And he, as he walks by the cabin, he makes no effort to look and see what is happening inside. [25:45] She must mean AM there. [25:47] Even though so many people are still inside the cabin with the door open, he looks straight ahead and walks away. [25:53] That's not suspicious at all. [25:56] Basically the CCTV. [25:59] And then the court says, let me stop you. [26:02] You said 11 27 PM. [26:03] I assume you meant, she says, am, I apologize. [26:06] Yes. [26:07] On November 7th. [26:08] Okay. [26:10] CCTV footage essentially reveals that the victim never left the cabin. [26:16] 8 3 4 3. [26:17] After she entered it at approximately 7 38 PM on or about November 6th, 2025. [26:23] Now the body worn camera footage from the horizon security offers corroborated the cabin attendance description of how the victim's body was found. [26:32] It was wrapped in a blanket. [26:33] Meaning it was wrapped in a blanket or a bed sheet stuffed underneath the bed with that box of life vests or life preservers placed on top of it to conceal its position. [26:43] Now, during the course of the FBI's investigation onboard the horizon after they viewed the CCTV, they tried to locate the victim's cell phone because the family had mentioned that she was never without it. [26:59] They could not locate it inside of the room. [27:01] They could not locate it inside of the room. [27:02] The cruise ship people had also indicated that they didn't take the phone or see one in any way. [27:08] The FBI then eventually looked around and decided to look in the horizon's lost and found office and the victim's cell phone was found there. [27:18] You know what? [27:21] I don't want to teach people how to get away with murder, but so he took, I guess, I guess we're disposed that Hudson took the phone away from the room and then put it somewhere else on the ship. [27:39] Dude, you're surrounded by water and the ship is moving slowly. [27:46] It's cruising, but, but you're surrounded by water. [27:50] The, okay. [27:51] Well, I mean, look, I'm, I'm glad. [27:56] I'm glad. [27:57] Kids are stupid. [27:59] Criminals are stupid. [28:00] This is a kid criminal. [28:02] So, uh, I, I don't know if we multiply that, if, if it's a times two situation or if we're squaring it, but there's a lot of stupidity going on here. [28:11] Okie dokie. [28:14] Um, the circumstances surrounding it being there was that a horizon crew member found it in a trash bin located in the rear. [28:23] Located in the rear or aft of the ship on the starboard side, meaning the right side of the vessel, which I'm going to call the trash bin from now on. [28:33] It appeared that it had been seriously damaged as if it had been smashed and the screen was broken. [28:39] Again, I mean, thank you for being an idiot, but, um, you're surrounded by water, young man. [28:51] Ok, whatever. [28:52] The FBI then looked back. [28:53] Oh, shocking. [28:54] At the horizon's CCTV footage from the morning of November 7th to see how that phone could have gotten out of the room. [29:01] If we know the victim never left the room after 7 38, they found that T leaves the cabinet at approximately 9 26 AM and returns to the room at 9 48 AM. [29:13] Then it reveals that at 9 50 T leaves the cabin. [29:18] He is observed holding something in his left hand and it looks like he's reaching into the sweatshirt front pocket. [29:25] After he leaves, he's then observed walking to the midship lobby because cabin 8 3 4 3 is towards the front of the ship. [29:33] And he takes the stairs to deck 10, then walking to the aft or the rear of the ship through the Lido marketplace restaurant. [29:42] The CCTV footage shows that at 9 52 AM T is observed reaching into an area near the trash bin where the victim's cell phone is found. [29:53] Now the trash bin is not depicted directly by the CCTV footage, but it shows that T stayed in the area by the trash bin for approximately 22 seconds. [30:03] He is then observed returning by the same route, which he got there at approximately 9 53 until he enters the cabin 8 3 4 3 at 9 55. [30:13] The FBI contacted the cruise lines information technology offer to be able to trace the movements of the victim's cell phone that morning. [30:22] And the following information was given to them and was provided that showed basically throughout the cruise ship as people are using the internet in order for them to use the internet. [30:31] The ship has routers throughout the ship and people's phones once they enter into the cruise ship's Wi-Fi system will connect to these routers. [30:39] That information, meaning the client association history, the MAC address and the path connections to the horizon's wireless networks for any particular phone or computer is kept in their care, custody and control as are records in the regular course of business. [30:56] The tracing of this information provided the following at approximately 9 26. [31:02] When T is seen exiting cabin 8 4, I'm sorry, 8 3 4 3 on CT CCTV. [31:08] As I mentioned, the victim is not seen. [31:10] Then at 9 27. [31:12] When CCC CCTV shows him on deck 10 in the lead of marketplace, the victim's client association history data with the cruise ship reveals that T and the victim's phone. [31:22] Meaning the victim's phone is phone is taking the same route towards the aft of the ship as the victim's phone is hitting all the wireless networks or access points on that route. [31:33] Interesting how much technology is on these ships, right? [31:38] At approximately 9 29 AM, the victim's phone connected to routers near deck 10 at the lead of marketplace of the horizon. [31:46] The client association history showed that the victim's phone is taking the same path of travel as T is in this area as he is walking through the lead of marketplace on the CCTV. [31:57] At approximately 9 32 AM, T is seen smoking in the area of deck 11. [32:03] Then at 9 34, the victim's phone connected to routers near the smoking area on deck 11. [32:12] Shocking! [32:13] On the starboard side of the horizon at the same place where T is seen smoking a cigarette. [32:20] At approximately 9 39 AM, the victim's phone connected to routers near deck 12, the jogging deck, which is on the port side of the horizon. [32:30] At the same time, T is captured by CCTV cameras walking on deck 12 at the jogging track port side. [32:38] Then it shows that T is walking on the jogging track until approximately 9 46 AM. [32:43] At approximately 9 48 AM, T is observed entering cabin 8343 and then the victim's phone at 9 50 is connected to the router in cabin 8343. [32:53] So he has it in his pocket this whole time. [32:58] At the same time approximately 9 50 AM, T is then captured exiting 8343 and walking to the midship lobby. [33:04] This is when he is then observed taking the stairs to deck 10 and then walking to the aft of the horizon again through the lead of marketplace. [33:11] While he is doing so at 9 52 AM, T is observed reaching the area of the trash bin. [33:17] While the trash bin again is not directly covered by the CCTV footage, it shows that T stays in that general area for approximately 22 seconds. [33:25] And then at 9 53 AM, he is seen observed by CCTV returning to the same route. [33:30] At approximately 9 55 AM, he is then seen entering the cabin. [33:34] At that exact same time, the victim's phone is located at deck 10 on the starboard side near the router that is later found to be close to the trash bin located in the area. [33:44] A search warrant was obtained by the FBI for T's phone and the victim's phone was also searched. [33:50] The phones did not reveal any information about the victim's murder, nor did it reveal the information about the relationship between victim and T. [33:58] It neither showed a good nor a bad relationship between the two. [34:02] So what? [34:04] Why? [34:05] Again, going back to the whole stupidity thing. [34:11] The medical examiner, Dr. Jonathan Kanekaraj for the Miami Data Medical Examiner's Office, also arrived on the horizon in order to conduct his investigation. [34:22] At that point, the victim's body was moved from its location after it was documented. [34:27] And then he began to undress the victim and to prepare to take her to the medical examiner's office. [34:33] After they undressed the victim to conduct their preliminary examination, Dr. Kanekaraj observed that the victim's underwear was worn in an unusual manner. [34:44] Specifically, the underwear's waistband. [34:48] It will be noted she was fully clothed with a sweatshirt and sweatpants, so they had to remove that to see the underwear. [34:55] The underwear's waistband was observed to be bunched up, twisted, and folded up. [35:00] The underwear was further found, meaning the section that covers the vaginal entry area, that part of the underwear was found to be inserted inside the victim's vagina. [35:11] Based on the observations of the underwear and the way it appeared on the victim's body, Dr. Kanekaraj opined that there was an indication from this preliminary examination of possible SA, but would need to confirm with further examination. [35:27] Therefore, on or about November 9th, he conducted the autopsy of the victim. [35:32] During the autopsy, Dr. Kanekaraj first observed petechiae, that is, tiny pinpoint red spots under the skin. [35:41] Well, it happens in the eyes quite frequently, but okay, under the skin caused by bleeding from small capillaries. [35:48] And he noticed this petechiae in the victim's eyes and face. [35:54] What does this indicate, guys? [35:58] We all know what this indicates. [36:00] This indicates throttling, right? [36:01] This is a manual strangulation event, probably. [36:04] Maybe not manual. [36:05] This is a strangulation event. [36:08] Significant areas of bruising were found on the sides and rear of the victim's neck area. [36:14] Specifically, more on the left side, there was also significant bruising of the victim's left ear. [36:20] A significant amount of grayish, viscous liquid was present in the victim's vaginal canal. [36:29] Now, and I should have given a total trigger warning here, guys. [36:36] This is ugly stuff, right? [36:41] I should have given you a heads up on that, and I'm very sorry. [36:45] But we're going to move on, okay? [36:49] Now, Dr. Kanekaraj at that point noted that the petechiae and bruising were indicative of possible mechanical asphyxiation. [37:03] So not manual. [37:05] Mechanical. [37:06] That means strangulation. [37:08] And he additionally collected an RK from the victim. [37:12] A kit. [37:14] I'm just, I'm trying not to say this word because of YouTube. [37:18] We should be able to say this word, but okay. [37:20] From the victim, as well as her nail clippings, which is standard. [37:25] On or about November 10th, Dr. Kanekaraj contacted law enforcement. [37:30] Stated he had ruled that the victim's death was due to mechanical asphyxiation. [37:34] Most likely from a chokehold with enough force that such bruising and blood were in the ear area. [37:41] And that the manner of the victim's death was homicide. [37:44] The final talks report for the victim found that there were therapeutic amounts of butylbitol, [37:53] a medication with acetaminophen, aspirin, caffeine, and codeine used primarily to treat tension headaches, [38:01] was present in her system, but not found to be a contributory cause of death. [38:07] The R kit and the fingernail clippings were sent to the FBI laboratory in Quantico for testing. [38:13] Well, there's a good idea. [38:14] Send them to Quantico. [38:16] They're in Florida. [38:19] There's a lab that Sheriff Nanos likes right there in Florida. [38:22] No, they sent them to Quantico. [38:23] Good job, FBI. [38:24] On or about November 24th, 2025, they informed law enforcement that all these reports have been provided to the defense. [38:31] So the court is aware that the swaths from the victim's R kit tested positive for DNA specifically to this case. [38:40] Swab number four, a swab from inside the vaginal canal tested positive for male sperm in addition to the victim's own DNA. [38:50] And swab five, a second DNA swab of the victim's vaginal canal while negative for sperm did test positive for male DNA in addition to the victim's own DNA. [39:02] Based on these preliminary results, the FBI obtained a search warrant for T's DNA, which was signed by a district court judge in the middle district of Florida. [39:12] The two DNA swabs were taken from him. [39:15] DNA swabs were also obtained from a minor who lives out of state with whom the victim had sexual intercourse while on the cruise, who I will refer to as Minor Witness 2. [39:28] The FBI laboratory compared the DNA standards from T and Minor Witness 2 to the male DNA profile found in the two vaginal swabs. [39:40] The results were as follows. [39:42] As to swab four, the one that tested positive for sperm, Minor Witness 2 was excluded as a contributor. [39:49] As I mentioned before, the victim's DNA, the female DNA profile did belong to the victim and was present in that mixture. [39:55] The result as to the main DNA that is was obtained from that sperm was that that it was 126 trillion times more likely that the victim and T were the contributors of that mixture than if the victim and an unknown unrelated person to T were the contributors to that mixture mixture. [40:14] That's how they they they they they they note these as statistical findings, right? [40:24] It's almost certainly like one in 120 sextillion that it's that it's Mr. Hudson's sperm. [40:33] OK, therefore, the results from this item had very strong support for the inclusion of T as the contributor to the male DNA in the mixture. [40:48] As to swab five, the swab that came back sperm negative but positive for male DNA, Minor Witness 2 was excluded as a contributor. [40:57] The female profiles, as I mentioned before, belong to the victim. [41:00] The result is that it is 1.2 septillion times more likely that the victim and T were the contributors of the mixture than if the victim and an unknown unrelated person were the contributors to the mixture. [41:14] Therefore, the results from this item had very strong support for the inclusion of T as the contributor of the male DNA in the mixture. [41:21] Subsequent to these results, Dr. Dr. Canikaraj opined that all the evidence he found on the body as well as the evidence from the DNA were consistent with SA occurring and that the SA had happened anti-mortem. [41:37] That is before death, that that that is where I'm going to stop for now, apologizing once again for not giving you guys a warning on this, because this is heavy, heavy stuff. [41:50] I want to get over to your comments and make sure that I get everybody's super chats, which you guys are so awesome to do. [42:03] Let's see. [42:04] Mooney, I think talking about the giveaway, says, Oh, great timing. [42:11] My kid has a broken down truck and has taken my car. [42:14] That is a good timing. [42:15] Our dog life is here from the state of, and we have to guess our dog life here from the state that, and we have to guess again. [42:25] Real happy says, thank you so much for the doc on Patreon. [42:28] I got to read it before the show. [42:29] I'm glad you did. [42:30] Glad you did. [42:31] Okay. [42:32] Our dog life. [42:34] Try number three from the state blank is for lovers. [42:37] Oh, so excited. [42:38] I finally caught my first live been substance, the Gabby potato case. [42:42] Well, I'm glad you are here and glad you're tuning in from the beautiful state of Virginia. [42:50] Let's see. [42:51] Orange chicken says from Colorado, he should be locked up. [42:56] G smile. [42:57] Sarah says, maybe this will help others figure things out when listening on Spotify. [43:02] I've never seen a way to like a podcast. [43:04] Am I missing something? [43:05] I don't know. [43:06] You can leave a review. [43:10] I would deeply appreciate that. [43:12] You can, you can do that. [43:14] Elizabeth. [43:15] Thank you very much for the super chat saying happy Friday. [43:17] You fishies. [43:18] I hope everyone's having a great week. [43:20] It has a little Friday. [43:23] Um, the bean and I says the super chats aren't going toward the goal. [43:26] No. [43:27] Well, it'll, it goes toward the goal in my heart. [43:31] And I'm so, I don't know why that's, let me, let me look at that. [43:34] You're right. [43:38] It says zero of 15. [43:39] I wonder why. [43:40] Maybe it's because I started it before, before we begin. [43:46] Ah, that's probably my fault. [43:47] I found a bug, found a bug everybody. [43:50] But, uh, but I appreciate it. [43:51] We've got seven so far. [43:52] We're halfway there. [43:53] Granny Debbie says, I agree. [43:56] Gavin parents are too. [43:58] And then, yeah, he was, he's a minor. [44:02] He's smoking. [44:03] That's, uh, many minors do that. [44:06] Boy, am I glad that I never fell into that. [44:08] I did try it once. [44:10] I tried like sucking it into my mouth, but, uh, but it tasted so bad. [44:17] Just tasted so bad. [44:18] Uh, Tanya says Gavin do adult crimes. [44:22] Do adult time should be in custody from Ontario, Canada. [44:25] Thank you for the super sticker. [44:27] JRJ pops. [44:29] Appreciate that. [44:30] And thank you for tuning in from the UK. [44:33] Very much appreciated. [44:35] And continuing down. [44:38] Uh, butyl, but all I take it for migraines. [44:41] Butyl, but all I take it for migraines after my brain aneurysm surgery. [44:46] Goodness Mooney, I had no idea you had a brain aneurysm surgery. [44:52] I would imagine that is to prevent a brain aneurysm rather than to like implant one. [45:00] That that's my guess. [45:01] And I'm glad you're okay. [45:03] Let's see this from Marie Jubinville. [45:08] Thank you very much, Marie, for the super chat. [45:10] I just hope that Timothy doesn't get a fixation on another young lady while he is working at the landscaping business. [45:16] He could be dangerous to their customers indeed. [45:19] And we're going to get to what the judge says about danger to the family and to the community here in just a bit. [45:25] Thank you very much, Marie. [45:27] Couple more, uh, G smile, Sarah, a review. [45:31] Thanks for a wonderful suggestion. [45:32] Yeah. [45:33] I've never asked for reviews. [45:34] I don't, I should do that more often. [45:36] Uh, only Mooney says they fixed it. [45:39] Good. [45:40] Good money. [45:41] I'm glad. [45:42] I'm glad they didn't like create a problem. [45:44] I'm glad they fixed the problem. [45:46] And thank you all for your input. [45:49] Now, the next place that we want to go, if I remember correctly, I, which I don't. [45:55] So I'm checking my notes here is page 63. [45:58] So let's clicky Rooney on down to page 63, 62, 63. [46:07] Okay. [46:08] Now what is happening here is Ms. Lopez, a USA, Alejandro Lopez. [46:17] The assistant U.S. [46:18] Uh, attorney is questioning a witness. [46:22] And this quote, this witness is FBI special agent, Andrew Del Valle or Del Valley or Del Valle. [46:30] Or I don't know how he pronounces it. [46:32] We're going to say the special agent. [46:34] Okay. [46:35] So, uh, I'm, I'm kind of getting in, I'm, I'm hopping in the middle here. [46:43] Okay. [46:45] Hopping in the middle. [46:46] This isn't his full testimony. [46:47] And we're going to read, uh, nine pages. [46:50] It's not, it's not all that much. [46:52] These, these transcripts go pretty darn quickly. [46:54] Okay. [46:56] This is Ms. Lopez asking the, asking the questions. [46:59] And I'm not going to do a question, answer, question, answer. [47:01] You guys can follow along. [47:02] It's, it's Lopez ads asking the questions. [47:06] It is Del Valle answering the questions. [47:10] Here we go. [47:12] Uh, you mentioned special agent Del Valle that you thought that the minor witness C entered [47:17] the room around, you said initially around seven 50 something, correct? [47:22] Yes. [47:23] And then you mentioned that he might have entered again for a second time around 10 something [47:28] in the evening, correct? [47:29] I believe so. [47:31] So let's look at your case review. [47:33] This is starting on the page that starts timeline of events, November 6th for counsel's reference. [47:39] She's being polite to defense counsel. [47:42] Let's look at this. [47:43] You mentioned that the victim returns at what time? [47:45] 7 38 PM. [47:46] And when did T enter the room? [47:49] About three minutes earlier, 7 35. [47:51] So by 7 38 PM, both T and the victim are in cabin 83 43. [47:57] Yes. [47:58] Now, what time do you note that C the brother? [48:02] This is, this is the juvenile witness enters into the cabin 7 51 PM. [48:08] Okay. [48:09] And how long is he there? [48:10] According to your case overview. [48:12] If I remember correctly, it was about a minute, not even. [48:16] And is that the time period when he has seen on the CCTV with his two little friends? [48:21] Yes. [48:22] And is that also the time point when C tells you when you interview him that he sees the victim in the room? [48:30] Yes. [48:31] All right. [48:32] You mentioned that after he enters at 7 51, he is there for maybe a minute or two and then he leaves, correct? [48:38] Yes. [48:39] Yes. [48:41] Okay. [48:42] Now from 7 51 until the next time you note in your case overview, is anyone seen entering or exiting the cabin? [48:48] 83 43. [48:49] No. [48:50] What is the next thing that happens at 10 13 PM, which is approximately two hours and 20 something minutes later after C is seen exiting? [48:58] T exits the room. [49:00] He exits the room. [49:01] Now let's go to your timeline. [49:03] When is the next time that let's say C is seen entering the room? [49:08] 11 21 PM. [49:11] 11 21 PM. [49:13] And how long does he remain at this point? [49:16] For about a minute. [49:17] So from timeframe of 11 52, let's say if he stayed in the room, entering at 7 51, leaving around 7 52 or 7 53 on November 6th, C is not seen entering the cabin until 11 21 PM. [49:34] That's correct. [49:35] Correct. [49:36] So that would actually leave T and the victim in cabin 83 43 together alone with no one else around for approximately three hours and some change. [49:46] Yes. [49:47] Yeah, I would say so. [49:48] About an hour and a half, right? [49:50] An hour and 20 something minutes. [49:53] Yes. [49:55] When C enters the room at, hold on. [50:00] So 11 21 PM, 7 52. [50:05] So it's eight. [50:07] It's more like, yeah, it's three and a half hours. [50:11] Okay. [50:12] An hour and a half. [50:13] Right. [50:14] An hour and 20 something minutes. [50:15] Yes. [50:16] So, you see him at 11 21 and quickly exits at 11 23. [50:19] Did you ask him if he saw the, his half sister leave the victim? [50:25] He saw her in the room at that time. [50:27] I didn't ask him, but he was asked and he said he did not. [50:30] Okay. [50:31] So when he enters the room at 7 51, he sees the victim. [50:35] When he comes back the second time, three and a half hours later at 11 30 ish or 11 21 ish. [50:41] He does not see the victim in the room. [50:43] Correct. [50:45] Okay. [50:46] Then the third time he enters is that last time at 12 01 AM on November 7th, where he ends up having to stay in the hallway for a couple of minutes. [50:55] Correct. [50:56] Around 12 09. [50:57] But yes. [50:59] Was C asked after he entered the room the third time, what he did between the hours of 12 09 AM on November 7th to the point where he leaves the cabin at about nine 20 something in the morning. [51:13] I believe he was asked. [51:14] And I believe he said he just fell asleep. [51:16] Right. [51:17] Because it's the middle of the night. [51:18] Correct. [51:19] Yes. [51:20] And so he says that he fell asleep. [51:22] And then at what time is he seen exiting the cabin? [51:25] 83 43 after he enters at 12 09 PM, uh, 9 20 AM, November 7th. [51:34] And does T exit that room around six minutes later, 9 26, the victim never enters or exits at any point after she enters at 7 30 PM, 7 38 PM on November 6th. [51:46] Correct. [51:47] Okay. [51:49] So in those three hours, excuse me, in reality, it was about three and a half hours that T and the victim were in the room by themselves. [51:55] Correct. [51:56] Yes. [51:57] If you know, is asphyxiation meaning strangulation, a quick way of dying? [52:03] No, it takes quite a few minutes in order to strangle someone to death. [52:06] Doesn't it? [52:07] Correct. [52:08] So would it be fair to say that it would be unusual or strange for C to have been able to strangle his sister in the quick minute that he entered 7 51 when he says he sees her [52:20] still alive? [52:21] Very unusual. [52:22] Okay. [52:23] So working to, to say C didn't do this, right? [52:28] 13 year old boy was in and out. [52:30] Would he have been able to do it? [52:32] No. [52:33] Okay. [52:34] Would it also not be enough time for the two minutes that he has seen from 11 21 to 11 23 ish PM on November 6th for him to have strangled his sister at that time? [52:45] Correct. [52:46] Now you mentioned the Apple watch or the health information, excuse me, for the victim that was downloaded from her phone. [52:52] Do you recall those questions? [52:53] Yes. [52:54] Now I want to go over a few of the things as to that point. [52:58] You didn't get a search warrant for it. [53:00] Correct? [53:01] You actually just downloaded the victim's phone. [53:03] You got a search warrant for T's phone. [53:04] Correct? [53:05] Right. [53:06] I got the search warrant for T's phone. [53:08] Correct. [53:10] You mentioned that your case agent let you know that the health information had been working throughout the cruise, but stopped somewhere in that timeframe after 7 38 PM when the victim goes back into cabin 8343 for the last time. [53:23] Correct? [53:24] Correct. [53:25] Are you aware of whether or not anyone viewed her text message during that time? [53:31] Yes. [53:32] And was there any information obtained as to when she stopped texting on that evening around that same time? [53:39] I believe it was before 10 PM. [53:41] Okay. [53:42] Now, and then the court interrupts, hold on before 10 PM. [53:45] What texts did she send? [53:47] And again, the court gets to ask questions, right? [53:51] So back to agent Del Valle. [53:54] I'm not aware your honor, because I didn't review them, but she was sending texts throughout the day. [53:58] The court. [54:00] What time did she leave the dinner? [54:02] The witness. [54:03] I'd have to review my notes. [54:04] I'm sorry, your honor. [54:05] Ms. Lopez comes back in. [54:07] Would you like me to provide a copy? [54:09] Sure. [54:10] I believe it was around 7 30 PM, 7 20 PM. [54:13] She left dinner and went back to her room. [54:15] The court then asks, are there any texts she sent between 7 30 and 10? [54:19] The witness. [54:21] I'm sorry. [54:22] I believe there were. [54:23] She was trying to get a hold of the individual that she had met on the cruise ship, but she [54:24] couldn't get a hold of him. [54:26] The court. [54:27] So how many texts would you say there were the witness? [54:28] I wouldn't want to speculate your honor. [54:29] I'm not sure. [54:30] Back to Ms. Lopez. [54:31] Special agent. [54:32] You know, the texts were stopped at some point, but you don't know the exact time at which [54:36] they stopped. [54:37] Correct. [54:38] I don't. [54:39] Counsel asked you some questions about seeing his behavior during the evening of November [54:42] 6th on the morning of November 7th. [54:45] Do you remember that? [54:46] Yes. [54:47] Is it true that C. D. [54:48] The witness. [54:49] The witness. [54:50] I believe there were. [54:51] She was trying to get a hold of the individual that she had met on the cruise ship, but she [54:52] couldn't get a hold of him. [54:53] The court. [54:55] So how many texts would you say there were? [54:56] The witness. [54:57] I wouldn't want to speculate your honor. [54:58] I'm not sure. [54:59] The witness. [55:00] Won't you say. [55:01] I can't wait for your question. [55:03] On the morning of November 7th. [55:04] Do you remember that? [55:05] Yes. [55:06] Is it true that C didn't alert to any unusual appearance in the room or to the fact that [55:08] the victim wasn't in the room, either to his father or to T's mother, correct? [55:11] Correct. [55:12] T, didn't alert either one of them either to anything unusual in the room. [55:18] Did he? [55:19] No. [55:20] T also did not alert to the victim or even the minor witness C weren't in the room. [55:25] For long periods of time. [55:26] Did he? [55:27] No. [55:30] What does he do that is, what he does do is that he blocks C from entering the room around [55:36] 12.09 a.m., correct? [55:38] Correct. [55:39] And then the court interjects, I'm sorry, I thought C went back into the room at 12 o'clock. [55:44] The witness, I'm sorry, Your Honor, he attempted to go into the room at 12.09 and T stopped [55:48] him saying, don't come in, don't come in. [55:50] And he had, if you go into the cabin, the bathroom and the closet are right towards [55:55] the beginning. [55:56] He had both doors kind of open so you couldn't see into the room. [55:59] So he just told him to wait outside and C ended up waiting outside for a couple of [56:04] minutes until T let him back in. [56:06] The court, so he waited in the hallway for a couple of minutes? [56:10] Yes, Your Honor. [56:11] The court again. [56:13] And then at that point, he then goes into the room? [56:16] Yes, Your Honor. [56:17] And then he stays there? [56:18] Yes. [56:20] Now Ms. Lopez, the questioning, the family mentioned that the victim always had her phone [56:25] on her, correct? [56:27] Yes. [56:28] And that's why the FBI searched the room for her phone? [56:31] Yes. [56:32] And the FBI couldn't find it in the room, correct? [56:34] No, we could not. [56:36] The data from the cruise ship router showed that the victim's phone was in the same location [56:40] as T as he was jogging around the track on deck 12, correct? [56:43] It was hitting that router, yes. [56:46] Was C anywhere in that location at the time? [56:49] Not that we're aware of, no. [56:50] When the ship's router information shows that the victim's phone is pinging along the route [56:55] to the Lido deck on deck 10 and going down the stairs, CCTV showed that T was there? [57:02] That was a question. [57:03] Yes. [57:04] CCTV didn't show that C was there? [57:06] No. [57:07] When the router information showed that approximately at around the time of the victim's cell phone [57:12] connecting to the routers in or around the trash bin, did it show that C, the minor [57:16] brother, was there? [57:17] No. [57:18] Did it show that T was there? [57:20] Yes. [57:20] Did the CCTV show that T was then observed in the area of the trash bin? [57:25] Yes. [57:26] And that afterwards he left the victim's phone, and that afterwards he left, that the victim's [57:33] phone is pinging in the area of the trash bin? [57:35] Correct. [57:36] When it is pinging there at 9.55, did the CCTV show that T was there? [57:41] Yes. [57:42] And it showed that afterwards, when it was pinging, he is back in cabin 8343, correct? [57:47] The pinging remains in the trash, and T has since left. [57:52] At any point, did the CCTV show that the minor brother C was in the area of the trash bin [57:57] when that was occurring? [57:59] No. [58:00] The court interjects, did you do a similar analysis of T's phone? [58:04] Did he have a phone? [58:06] Witness answers, Your Honor, he did have a phone, but he didn't have an internet plan. [58:11] They didn't pay for his internet plan. [58:13] So it wouldn't have been, my understanding, I'm not a tech guy, my understanding is that [58:17] it wouldn't be grabbing onto routers because he didn't pay for the ship's internet plan. [58:22] So we're going to get into it tomorrow. [58:26] The reason they went down this line of questioning is the defense is trying to kind of go, hey, [58:32] there's another option here. [58:34] Maybe somebody else did it. [58:36] That 13-year-old boy that was in and out of the room, he slept there all night. [58:39] Maybe he did it. [58:40] You know, it's one of those things. [58:43] Let me see what you guys are saying over in the live chat. [58:46] Just want to check in with you guys. [58:50] Just Jennifer Dobson or Dobbins checking in from vacation in Colorado. [58:55] Glad you're here, Jennifer. [58:57] Glad you checked in. [59:01] And then let's see. [59:04] It doesn't look like, I mean, you guys are having a really great conversation, but it [59:08] doesn't look like I need to interject there. [59:10] Okay, so remember to put GF in your comment if you want me to read it. [59:17] The last bit is the judge's decision. [59:21] Judge Edwin G. Torres. [59:24] This will take us to page 132, if I'm not mistaken. [59:29] So let's just hop down there and bring you guys this last bit. [59:37] Okay. [59:39] Okay, Ms. Lopez speaking. [59:41] Well, we have a defendant who is alone with the victim for three and a half hours, and [59:45] during that period, both her health information stops saying that her heart is beating, and [59:49] she stops texting. [59:50] No one else is in that room. [59:52] No one else enters or exits the room except for him. [59:56] This is not a body found in the middle of the street, somewhere where many cars and people [1:00:00] have access. [1:00:01] We know based on video, it is only T and the victim in that room, and therefore, while we [1:00:06] don't have an actual video showing him killing her, we know that he killed her by mechanical [1:00:11] asphyxiation. [1:00:13] That can't be done without the actions of another doing so. [1:00:18] He had the three and a half hours to do so when her phone and her health information show [1:00:23] that she's pretty much not alive anymore. [1:00:24] And we do have DNA on the scene because his semen is inside of her. [1:00:31] So I think that the weight of the evidence is strong. [1:00:34] The weight of the evidence is strong when we have no one else except T in the room with [1:00:38] the victim, when her phone and her Apple watch stop showing that she is alive. [1:00:42] And when we know, then the court interjects, was the defendant photographed and examined before [1:00:48] he left the boat? [1:00:49] Ms. Lopez, I'm not aware if he was photographed because this didn't come out. [1:00:53] The court, did he display any type of physical injuries? [1:00:57] No, says Ms. Lopez. [1:00:59] I did ask this of the agent prior. [1:01:01] He does not have, or they did not see, let me put it that way, any evidence of injuries [1:01:06] or anything on his body. [1:01:07] He was, and since the court is asking, was he examined at that time? [1:01:12] Well, he was Baker acted. [1:01:15] Okay, the Baker act is basically because of a mental health crisis, he was involuntarily [1:01:24] committed to custody. [1:01:27] Okay. [1:01:27] So Ms. Lopez answers, well, he was Baker acted because he began to cry uncontrollably and [1:01:34] say that he was afraid he'd hurt himself and those around and law enforcement were concerned [1:01:40] about that. [1:01:40] So they took him to that facility. [1:01:42] I don't have access to those records because at this point, mental health is not a defense [1:01:47] or hasn't been made one. [1:01:49] So because the court asked, I just let the court know he was not examined because they [1:01:54] Baker acted him and took him to the facility. [1:01:57] I don't know what that facility noted on him, but I know that the agents, when they interacted [1:02:01] with him, did not see any visible injuries on his body. [1:02:06] The court says, okay, okay. [1:02:08] I appreciate that. [1:02:09] All right. [1:02:10] So I need to conclude the hearing because I have to start my next hearing and I think [1:02:14] we've covered the issues well enough, uh, Mr. Kuhl chimes in your honor. [1:02:20] I think we just need to respond to a few brief points. [1:02:24] This is the defense. [1:02:25] I believe the court says, no, that's okay. [1:02:26] The court finds that there's probable cause to charge the defendant as to the weight of [1:02:31] the evidence involved there with all due respect to the prosecutor. [1:02:35] I don't know what I'd characterize. [1:02:37] I don't know that I'd characterize it as a strong case. [1:02:40] It is a case to be made, but also there are various defenses that may also be raised. [1:02:46] So it is a much closer call. [1:02:50] Secondly, in my review of the statute, there is clearly a presumption of a bond in a juvenile [1:02:55] case, not a bond. [1:02:57] In fact, there are several cases that said that if the juvenile is released, there is [1:03:01] no bond. [1:03:02] There is not supposed to be bond issued on that on the theory that release is the presumption [1:03:07] third upon my review of the statute. [1:03:10] I find and government concedes that he is not a risk of flight given the conditions that [1:03:15] have been proffered to the court in terms of his appearance in court. [1:03:18] And in fact, he has been made available to the government and made available to the court. [1:03:24] So the only issue, the only basis upon which I can, I can detain are the second and third [1:03:31] elements of 5034, which is that I find that he merits detention to ensure his safety or that [1:03:38] of others in terms of his safety. [1:03:40] I don't find that detention is necessary to preserve his safety based upon his current [1:03:45] condition, or at least the evidence of his condition as has been presented. [1:03:51] Additionally, detention in a Miami-Dade facility far away from his family may actually present [1:03:57] a danger to him. [1:03:59] And I think that is a factor that I can take into account. [1:04:02] In fairness to the government, it is what it is. [1:04:04] I think the government has done a very good job of putting together an argument for why [1:04:08] and how the defendant should be better housed here. [1:04:11] But I actually think that if I had to call it right now, I think he would be in greater [1:04:16] danger in terms of his safety and a facility here far away from his family. [1:04:21] So therefore, the second and third, I'm sorry, the second and first element of the statute [1:04:26] have not been satisfied. [1:04:27] As to the danger of others, that is the most concerning factor. [1:04:31] To some extent, the nature of the offense that the government is presenting is of such [1:04:37] a unique and heinous character. [1:04:40] However, it is a different type of an offense necessarily that I would expect to conduct [1:04:45] to occur. [1:04:46] Unfortunately, according to the government's case, this defendant became infatuated with [1:04:50] his stepsister and something happened in that room. [1:04:54] And then she resulted in being R-worded and murdered. [1:04:59] But that is a highly personal offense that undermines my ability to make a finding that [1:05:05] the defendant continues to present a danger to others. [1:05:08] The biggest danger is that the defendant presents to other family members. [1:05:13] So if the defendant is released, obviously, I'd have to make sure that the situation was [1:05:17] addressed. [1:05:18] In addition, the court takes into consideration Section 5035, where Congress has said, [1:05:25] Detention shall be in a foster home or community-based facility located in or near his home community. [1:05:33] Defendant's proffer certainly address that better than the government's proposal, because [1:05:37] in fact, he is being housed by a different member of the family who wants to take care [1:05:42] of him and who is prepared to comply with the court's conditions. [1:05:45] So in consideration of the two statutes as a whole, and considering the nature of the [1:05:50] proceeding, I don't think a sufficient case has been made for me to impose detention at [1:05:55] a Miami-Dade facility in this case. [1:05:57] As heinous as the crime that we are talking about, I will therefore release the defendant. [1:06:03] And he goes on. [1:06:04] But that's, those are his reasons. [1:06:06] Uh, I sometimes, what am I, what am I trying to say? [1:06:13] I sometimes sympathize with, um, with the judge in this case, right? [1:06:21] He's like, Hey, this is a heinous crime, man. [1:06:23] This is like the worst of the worst. [1:06:25] But this is, this is the statute that Congress wrote. [1:06:29] This is the law. [1:06:30] This is what I got to do. [1:06:33] So do I think that Timothy Hudson should be in custody? [1:06:39] Yeah, I do. [1:06:43] But being a lay person and not knowing the law, I guess, I guess I just have to defer [1:06:51] to that judge. [1:06:52] You guys tell me what, uh, what you think. [1:06:56] And, uh, and I will, um, I will do my very best to respond, uh, to your comments. [1:07:06] And that's what we have for today. [1:07:07] Now, tomorrow we're going to go over the defenses proffer and we are going to go over some of the [1:07:16] cross-examination that they did to see what the indications are of what it is that, what [1:07:24] defense they're preparing here. [1:07:25] These are public federal defenders, federal public defenders for Mr. Hudson. [1:07:33] They could be terrific attorneys, by the way. [1:07:36] They probably are. [1:07:38] So, uh, so we will do that tomorrow, but we're not done. [1:07:44] Despair not. [1:07:45] If you're just like, I don't want it to be done. [1:07:48] Despair not guys. [1:07:49] We've got more, we have got headlines to go over in the melody, buzzard murder in the [1:07:56] little baby, Emanuel horror murder, and in the Noel Rodriguez Alvarez murder. [1:08:02] This is like a theme. [1:08:03] We've got child victims here that we need to get into those headlines. [1:08:08] Plus we're going to finish out strong with some good news just to put a happiest smile [1:08:13] on our face. [1:08:14] But before we do that, uh, perhaps we should go ahead and get into other three questions. [1:08:22] Shall we? [1:08:22] It's three questions. [1:08:25] It's Gavin Fish. [1:08:31] In this segment, I answer three questions that you send in to me to the email address on [1:08:37] your screen, which is three questions at gavinfish.com spelled out T H R E E three questions at gavinfish.com. [1:08:44] Uh, you can send in as many questions as you want. [1:08:47] They can be, well, you guys tend to send in or like personal questions about me and getting [1:08:51] to know me. [1:08:51] But, uh, I mean, nobody's asked about the meaning of life or whether I think that Socrates was [1:09:01] prosecuted, uh, righteously. [1:09:03] Nobody asked the big questions, uh, but I will answer them nonetheless. [1:09:12] I just get to do it three at a time and in the order which I want to do it. [1:09:16] So that's what we're going to do. [1:09:19] Question number one comes in from Zoe. [1:09:22] She asks, what is your favorite memory with your mom and dad? [1:09:26] I, I really should have prepared for this question. [1:09:29] Guys, I've got so many, so many memories with my family. [1:09:35] We were a, uh, we are, we continue to be a, uh, tight knit group, but we are scattered [1:09:45] about the fritted planes. [1:09:46] We're everywhere. [1:09:48] And so we tend not to, uh, spend tons of time together except next month. [1:09:56] We're all getting together, uh, for a little family reunion. [1:09:59] I'm looking forward to that, but we are a tight knit group and I grew up in a tight knit [1:10:04] loving family with, uh, my two brothers and two sisters. [1:10:08] And my folks trying to think of like, what's my favorite memory with my mom and dad. [1:10:13] There are so many, I think an early one, when I was little, we lived in Salt Lake city. [1:10:19] Well, in one of the burbs of Salt Lake city. [1:10:22] And when I was really little and actually, even when we moved up to Pioa, when I was about [1:10:28] four, um, even after that, we would go down to Hogle zoo, uh, which is the zoo in Salt Lake [1:10:36] city. [1:10:36] And one of my favorite things was, you know, mom and dad would create like, uh, uh, my [1:10:45] wife calls them feed bags, but they'd create feed bags, right? [1:10:52] They'd pop a bunch of popcorn and, uh, they'd make sandwiches and I know that it's pronounced [1:10:57] sandwich by the way, but they'd make sandwiches and they'd have like carrot sticks and just stuff [1:11:02] for us to nosh on while we were on our little family outing to the zoo. [1:11:08] Uh, one of my favorite things was feeding popcorn to the deer. [1:11:13] I don't know. [1:11:14] I just really loved that. [1:11:15] They had, they had these, I don't know what kind of deer they were, but they had these [1:11:18] pretty docile deer that would eat out of your hand if you just like horses would or whatever. [1:11:26] So that's a fun memory. [1:11:28] Uh, of course, Christmas time, stuff like that. [1:11:34] Uh, we played a lot of sports as a family. [1:11:37] My dad is a lover of sports. [1:11:39] Both of my older brothers are, we, we played a lot of basketball. [1:11:42] We played a lot of baseball, a lot of softball, um, lots of like tackle football and stuff [1:11:51] like that. [1:11:52] So like, yeah, there's just, there's just tons and tons of memories, uh, with my, with [1:11:57] my parents and all of those memories also include the rest of the family. [1:12:02] Um, I don't think that I have one favorite. [1:12:04] I just am happy that I grew up in a loving family that, uh, that was, you know, an operational [1:12:15] normal everyday family, I guess. [1:12:20] Yeah. [1:12:20] We did a lot of driving too. [1:12:22] We did a lot of like sightseeing, a lot of, uh, just kind of day trips. [1:12:27] Uh, we, you know, in Northern California, there are, there are lots of caverns. [1:12:32] And, and while we are not spelunkers, you know, they're the kind where you can walk [1:12:36] down into them and stuff like that. [1:12:38] A lot of caverns, a lot of, a lot of, uh, historical stuff pertaining to the gold rush [1:12:44] and the missions and, you know, early California, a lot of that stuff. [1:12:47] It was, it was fun. [1:12:50] Uh, question number two from CM Warren 58 says, do you prefer eggs, hard boiled, fried [1:12:55] or scrambled? [1:12:57] CM Warren. [1:12:58] And I just don't prefer eggs. [1:13:00] Now, uh, I have been eating them pretty much every day since August. [1:13:06] I do not like the taste of the egg yolk. [1:13:10] So I've been doing egg whites. [1:13:12] I scramble them. [1:13:13] And really I, I cover them up in so much pepper and come at me if you will, but enough ketchup [1:13:25] to make it just tastes like ketchup and pepper. [1:13:27] I just don't like eggs. [1:13:30] I'm, I'm, I, it's kind of a weird thing. [1:13:32] You're eating the reproductive system of, uh, or you're eating the embryonic chickens coming [1:13:41] from the reproductive. [1:13:42] It's just weird. [1:13:43] I just, I don't know. [1:13:44] I, I, I have a mental block there, but I also really don't like the taste. [1:13:49] So, uh, but I need the protein and I need the nutrition. [1:13:54] So I have been eating egg whites pretty much every day since August. [1:14:00] Don't like it. [1:14:04] Uh, last question. [1:14:06] What is your favorite sitcom? [1:14:08] By the way, I love it when you guys can answer these questions in the comments, put GF and [1:14:12] answer the questions too. [1:14:14] What are the questions so far? [1:14:15] What's your favorite memory with your folks? [1:14:18] Uh, do you prefer, how do you prefer your eggs? [1:14:21] And then question number three is what is your favorite sitcom? [1:14:24] I'm trying to think. [1:14:25] Um, I think my favorite sitcom of all time, the one that I've spent the most time laughing [1:14:34] at is probably mash and, and it's a heavy one, right? [1:14:41] Like it's a, but it's definitely a situational comedy, but it's a heavy one. [1:14:46] So funny and so heavy. [1:14:49] Sometimes I just, I love it. [1:14:51] The episode where Henry Blake dies, spoiler guys, spoiler alert. [1:14:56] Uh, 40 years after the fact, uh, the one where Henry Blake, where Hawkeye and, uh, trapper [1:15:06] and radar and, and Colonel Blake have their last party. [1:15:11] And he heads off on the helicopter headed home. [1:15:15] And then the next scene is they're performing surgery radar comes in without a mask on. [1:15:21] And he reads a message that they received that Colonel Blake died in a plane crash. [1:15:27] Oh, just tragic. [1:15:29] Oh, so you're taken from the highest, how you're laughing so hard to the just most tragic. [1:15:38] So mash is probably my favorite sitcom of all time. [1:15:42] I just, and I think what makes it great is that it is, um, it is so heavy, but that's me. [1:15:53] Those are our three questions. [1:15:56] Now put GF in your comment and you tell me your answers to those questions. [1:16:01] And while you are answering those questions, let's go over some headlines. [1:16:05] Here we go. [1:16:14] Okay, guys, we've got a couple updates. [1:16:17] Uh, this brought to us by Catherine Herndon and KSBY.com. [1:16:23] Preliminary hearing date set in murder case involving Vandenberg village mother, more information [1:16:31] on the case involving, I'll just just say it, Ashley, Ashley buzzard charged in the death [1:16:38] of her daughter is expected to come out in court within the next month during a hearing [1:16:42] on Wednesday, yesterday, a June 22nd preliminary hearing date was set for Ashley buzzard, who [1:16:47] also waived time in her case through September. [1:16:50] So she has given up her right to a speedy trial and a prelim is set for June 22nd. [1:16:56] I doubt it'll take place. [1:16:57] Anyway, the prelim is an opportunity for both sides to present evidence to a judge who will [1:17:01] then make a ruling on whether there's enough probable cause to uphold the charges against [1:17:05] the 40 year old and move her case forward to trial. [1:17:08] If the judge finds there is sufficient, insufficient evidence to uphold the charges, some are all [1:17:13] could be dismissed, which was the ruling made in a separate false imprisonment case involving [1:17:18] buzzard while the search for her daughter was underway last fall. [1:17:22] Wednesday's hearing was quick with a handcuffed buzzard in attendance in a lumpuck courtroom [1:17:27] wearing a gray cardigan, floral shirt, and earplugs. [1:17:30] Her oldest daughter is also in attendance earplugs. [1:17:35] Is this kind of an indication that there might be some sensory issue that, uh, that Ashley buzzard [1:17:43] has? [1:17:44] I don't know. [1:17:46] Don't know. [1:17:47] And then it talks about the case, which we all know about the case, little melody. [1:17:50] Oh my goodness. [1:17:52] Let me see if I can find a picture. [1:17:53] Yeah. [1:17:53] There's a little melody buzzard. [1:17:55] Oh, heartbreaking, heartbreaking. [1:17:59] Okay. [1:17:59] The next headline that I want to bring to you comes from patch.com. [1:18:03] Wife of Riverside County man convicted of killing toddler due for preliminary hearing. [1:18:08] Again. [1:18:09] Okay. [1:18:10] The wife of a serial child CA or accused of conspiring with him in the death of their seven [1:18:16] month old son and cabozon is slated to appear Friday for a preliminary hearing, which will [1:18:21] determine whether she should be tried for murder. [1:18:24] Rebecca Renee Harrow 42. [1:18:26] Let's, uh, let's bring up a picture of Rebecca Harrow is charged with the felony count as well [1:18:33] as filing a false police report in connection with the killing of baby Emmanuel Harrow in [1:18:39] August. [1:18:39] Her spouse, 33 year old Jake Mitchell Harrow pleaded guilty in October to second degree [1:18:46] murder CA and filing a false police report. [1:18:49] He was sentenced in November to 32 years to life in state prison. [1:18:53] Rebecca Harrow, who is being held on a $1 million bail at the Robert Presley jail is due to appear [1:18:58] before Riverside County superior judge Jerry Yang for a prelim at the Riverside hall of justice [1:19:04] Friday morning. [1:19:05] So tomorrow we should have some news about this tomorrow. [1:19:10] So that is what's happening in that case. [1:19:14] Uh, lastly, for our headlines, we talked about this case, little Noel Rodriguez Alvarez, um, [1:19:22] whose mother is, is being held. [1:19:27] She was found incompetent to, to stand trial so far for little Noel's murder. [1:19:34] Um, this little six year old boy, um, no younger than that. [1:19:40] Anyway, Dateline Everman, Texas written by Tracy DeLatt. [1:19:44] The woman who fostered Noel Rodriguez Alvarez is speaking out. [1:19:48] His remains were recently discovered years after his disappearance. [1:19:52] Yvonne Brooks fostered Noel, Noel and his older sister for a few months in 2020. [1:19:58] He would have been about three years old at the time. [1:20:00] Quote, he came in with his big old smile. [1:20:03] She said, he came in like he'd been knowing the place. [1:20:06] He had a big smile. [1:20:07] So I said, okay, he'll be all right. [1:20:09] She said he didn't talk much, but she remembers him being a happy kid who loved to play with toys [1:20:15] all over the house. [1:20:16] Quote, I have a younger daughter. [1:20:17] She fell in love with Noel. [1:20:19] He was crazy about her. [1:20:21] He used to follow her all around the house. [1:20:23] She was in college at the time. [1:20:25] So when he, she came home, he took to her right away. [1:20:28] She said he was a happy kid. [1:20:30] She also described him as one of the sweetest kids in her home. [1:20:35] He would touch your heart. [1:20:37] She said, Brooke said she was immediately worried when Noel was reported missing in 2023. [1:20:43] Quote, I was hoping that they'd find him. [1:20:45] Let me find, um, where is there he is. [1:20:53] Bring him up. [1:20:53] There he is. [1:20:55] Quote, I was hoping that they'd find him. [1:20:57] I was really hoping she said, and then when they did find him, it hurt even more. [1:21:01] It hurt even more when they found him because there he was the whole time for that long. [1:21:07] Brooks believes Noel's mother and anyone else who may have been involved in his death should [1:21:11] stand trial. [1:21:12] Of course. [1:21:12] I thought that was a sweet little, um, sweet little vignette, a look into his life. [1:21:21] He was a happy little boy, special needs who took to her daughter and was just happy kid [1:21:28] who liked to play with toys. [1:21:30] And for some reason, this, uh, this woman allegedly, and I think her husband snatched the life out [1:21:41] of that little one. [1:21:42] And that just breaks my heart. [1:21:44] Those guys are your headlines. [1:21:47] Now, Wanda, let's, uh, let's, let's transition into some happy news. [1:21:53] Can we Wanda? [1:21:53] Let's get some, let's get some good news. [1:21:56] Let's get some, that's great, Wanda. [1:22:13] Thank you so much. [1:22:14] Guys. [1:22:15] I, I normally do animal, uh, stories for the good news segment, but this is a person good [1:22:21] news segment. [1:22:22] I love that. [1:22:23] Uh, check this out. [1:22:25] The English restaurant turning hospitality on its head by Fern McEarland on positive dot [1:22:31] news at a pay as you can restaurant in Stroud. [1:22:35] This is in England, radical hospitality and good food are bringing strangers together and [1:22:40] look how they're seated. [1:22:41] It's like picnic style on a cool day winter evening in the heart of the English Cotswolds. [1:22:48] I get my first glimpse of an old industrial building that I've heard so much about the [1:22:53] crumbling white brick walls and ivy that snake into the broken windows, make it look isolated [1:22:58] and desolate. [1:22:59] But as I step inside Brimscone Mill, it buzzes with life. [1:23:04] Children weave between benches. [1:23:06] Cutlery clinks against enamel plates. [1:23:08] A roaring fire kicks out steady heat. [1:23:11] At one end of the vast hall, a local band, ordinary folk tune their fiddles and guitars [1:23:15] around the edges. [1:23:17] Community oriented micro businesses have set up stalls, a furniture scheme, a bike workshop, [1:23:22] a clothes mending project, and a children's clothes shop. [1:23:26] In the middle, two long wooden tables fill up with a mix of families, students, retirees, [1:23:30] and the after work crowd. [1:23:32] This is the long table. [1:23:34] A restaurant built on what it calls radical hospitality. [1:23:37] The concept is straightforward. [1:23:39] There are just one or two dishes on the menu. [1:23:41] You sit wherever there is space and you pay what you can afford. [1:23:44] No proof is required. [1:23:46] Guests are accepted at face value. [1:23:48] If you can pay more than the suggested price, you're invited to do so. [1:23:51] If you need to pay less or nothing at all, you are equally welcome. [1:23:55] On the night I visit, the base price for a meal to cover their costs is £10.30. [1:24:00] In the middle of a cost of living crisis when food prices remain high and eating out has [1:24:07] become a luxury for many, that flexibility makes the difference between staying home and [1:24:11] stepping out. [1:24:12] But the long table is careful not to frame itself as charity. [1:24:15] Emma Hurrell, its food resilience lead, is clear that they function as a business and [1:24:22] not at the whims of funding. [1:24:23] The aim is long-term resilience, not short-term thrills. [1:24:27] The numbers tell their own story. [1:24:29] Last year, 38,305 meals were served. [1:24:32] Around half were paid for at below cost price and 10% were community meals with no charge. [1:24:39] Those who are able to pay more effectively help to underwrite those who cannot. [1:24:43] Ahmad Hussain, a regular, sees the impact every week. [1:24:46] Quote, I come here because everyone can eat here. [1:24:49] So you don't just find one class of people. [1:24:51] A lot of people sitting here are paying nothing, but I have seen, I've just seen people in front [1:24:56] of me paying double. [1:24:58] The result is a rare kind of social mix. [1:25:00] There is no separate queue, no visible distinction between who has paid what. [1:25:05] You sit where there's room, shoulder to shoulder with whoever happens to arrive next. [1:25:09] And that's really cool. [1:25:10] I just, I love it. [1:25:12] I love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. [1:25:14] I love the idea of building communities like that and it made me happy. [1:25:18] And so I thought that I would share that good news. [1:25:23] Those guys, including the good news, are your headlines. [1:25:37] Okie dokie. [1:25:37] Let's finish out the show today. [1:25:42] Let me scroll on up. [1:25:44] Let's see if I can get everybody's comment. [1:25:48] Wendy Cara is asking, did TH's father go to court with him yesterday? [1:25:52] I actually don't know. [1:25:54] I'm not sure. [1:25:58] Debbie Piasecki says he is so wrong. [1:26:01] I think you're probably talking about the judge. [1:26:05] Hjelp says, Gavin, I think he was always obsessed with her like a stalker. [1:26:08] When a stalker is about to lose his obsession, he can be dangerous. [1:26:12] She was about to go off to college and maybe military. [1:26:14] Yeah, and she had had an encounter with another person on the cruise ship too. [1:26:22] Maybe she was falling in love and that made him snap. [1:26:29] The Only Mooney, did the judge mention anything about the two young children living where T was going? [1:26:34] I don't think he does. [1:26:37] Elizabeth McMaster says, I have to agree with you, Gavin. [1:26:39] He should be in custody. [1:26:40] Federal judges are a different breed. [1:26:44] I'm grateful for your input on that. [1:26:46] Debbie says, so a suspected murderer in a hen house crime gets to walk out of court free, past jail to live with his uncle. [1:26:54] So ridiculous. [1:26:55] All of us feel that way. [1:26:56] Mooney, thank you very much for gifting those memberships. [1:27:00] We've got some stuff coming up as far as making membership a little more valuable. [1:27:06] I'm working hard to be able to free up some time to do some other stuff. [1:27:10] So working on that and thank you. [1:27:12] Thank you very much, Mooney. [1:27:15] Let's see. [1:27:16] Mooney says, I can't eat eggs. [1:27:18] I'm allergic. [1:27:19] I'm the same way with tomatoes. [1:27:21] I'm allergic to their taste. [1:27:24] Archangel says, try hard boiled eggs. [1:27:26] Sprinkle some lemon and add mayonnaise if you prefer a bit of hot sauce. [1:27:30] Ew. [1:27:30] Like, okay, thank you. [1:27:33] But no. [1:27:34] Ew. [1:27:35] No, mayo is just egg sauce. [1:27:39] Sauce made of eggs. [1:27:41] No, that doesn't make it better. [1:27:42] Nope. [1:27:43] Nope. [1:27:45] The Real Garth B. Nuts says, the Big Bang Theory is my favorite sitcom. [1:27:49] My wife loves the Big Bang Theory and I have to admit it is pretty darn funny. [1:27:53] Just Ducky says, Gavin, eggs any way you make them. [1:27:56] Quiche is my favorite. [1:27:57] I remember watching MASH every night with my mom and cried at the last one. [1:28:01] Yes. [1:28:02] Only money. [1:28:03] Was Clinger there too? [1:28:04] Not at that party when Henry Blake left. [1:28:06] Nope. [1:28:07] It was, it was the four of them. [1:28:09] It was Radar. [1:28:10] It was Trapper, Hawkeye, and Colonel Blake. [1:28:16] That was, that was a tough, tough episode, man. [1:28:20] Elizabeth McMaster says, I love eggs any which way and currently obsessed with egg bites. [1:28:25] Favorite sitcom is hard. [1:28:27] Would say Friends, Big Bang Theory, Frasier, top three. [1:28:29] Those are all great. [1:28:30] Those are all great. [1:28:31] Jennifer says, my favorite family memory is picnicking in Swaziland. [1:28:36] Swatini, in the mountains with family and close friends. [1:28:39] It was so beautiful and free. [1:28:41] This was back in the mid-70s. [1:28:42] That's cool. [1:28:43] That's really cool. [1:28:45] Gee, smile Sarah. [1:28:46] Most of my favorite memories were created with my grandparents. [1:28:49] Mom was present, but grandpa and grandma created the memories. [1:28:52] I love eggs without the snot. [1:28:54] Favorite sitcom? [1:28:55] Hmm. [1:28:56] Is The Waltons? [1:28:58] I'll allow it. [1:28:59] I'll allow it. [1:28:59] I don't know if it was a sitcom, but I'll allow it. [1:29:03] Marie Jubinville says, my favorite memory with my parents was when we drove from New Hampshire [1:29:07] to the Grand Canyon and Yellowstone. [1:29:09] We were seven in a station wagon, tow in a camper. [1:29:13] That's pretty, that's classic Americana. [1:29:15] I love that. [1:29:16] Love that. [1:29:18] Gee, smile Sarah says, if Little House and The Waltons qualify. [1:29:22] If not, The Facts of Life, The Jeffersons, Mel's Diner, Alice, I have an old soul. [1:29:27] Facts of Life is, is a classic. [1:29:31] Actually, all those are great. [1:29:33] Norman Lear did some amazing work back in the 70s and 80s. [1:29:37] Very good stuff. [1:29:41] Just Ducky says, more good news. [1:29:42] Our local fire company rescued 10 ducklings from a storm drain. [1:29:46] Then they waddled off with their mama to a local creek. [1:29:49] Well, that's a happy ending. [1:29:50] That's terrific. [1:29:51] That's great news. [1:29:53] Let's see. [1:29:55] Lucy Fair says, I went vegan animal in 2018 for a number of reasons, but one was the concern [1:30:01] for how the females are forced to procreate beyond what would ever be considered normal. [1:30:05] Try plant-based eggs. [1:30:06] I could just do without eggs. [1:30:08] I honestly could. [1:30:09] And I'm at a point where I could probably stop. [1:30:12] I could just get rid of eggs. [1:30:16] Elizabeth McMaster says, I am allergic to the taste of tomatoes as well. [1:30:22] We are a minority. [1:30:23] Yeah, and I wish I wasn't. [1:30:25] Like, everybody looks so happy eating tomatoes, and I just can't do it. [1:30:30] Archangel says, it tastes great. [1:30:32] I swear. [1:30:33] Talking about eggs, probably. [1:30:35] Gee, Smile Sarah. [1:30:35] I love that good news clip. [1:30:37] Great concept on dining out when times are tough. [1:30:39] I thought it was great, too. [1:30:41] Lucy Fair says, I have higher than average protein levels because I eat a whole lot of [1:30:45] grains and the plant, milks, and eggs are fortified with all the vitamins and protein. [1:30:49] Just FYI, common questions I get. [1:30:50] Yeah, I lived with a vegan lifestyle for a year, and then I did basically vegan plus cheese. [1:31:01] I did vegetarian for about three years. [1:31:04] I enjoyed it. [1:31:07] Pickled eggs are delicious. [1:31:08] What happened to me, though, is I became a carbitarian. [1:31:11] I was like, oh, chips are easy. [1:31:13] They're vegan, right? [1:31:15] So, anyway. [1:31:18] Pickled eggs are delicious, says Patty. [1:31:21] Granny Debbie says, my favorite memories were our family camping trips with extended family [1:31:25] and tents. [1:31:26] He has six kids in a tent and often two cribs. [1:31:29] Great times. [1:31:30] You know, there was a... [1:31:34] I watched an interview with Bill Murray on Howard Stern. [1:31:37] I think I brought this up once before, but he talked about how the hardest times make [1:31:42] the greatest stories. [1:31:44] Like, the hardest times are the best stories, and they are. [1:31:47] When you're a poor, broke family, still doing stuff as a family, going camping, going on [1:31:55] road trips, you know, sleep outs in the living room. [1:32:00] We used to do, on December 23rd each year, we would do a sleep out in front of the fire, [1:32:05] all of us, in the living room, in sleeping bags, and those are great memories. [1:32:11] But my parents were broke, right? [1:32:12] And, like all young parents tend to be, and they made memories for us, which is wonderful, [1:32:21] and I hope that our children will be able to say when they are grown that their parents [1:32:28] did their best to make memories as well. [1:32:31] I do have to say, I have been making some amazing memories with the boys recently. [1:32:38] Um, I showed you this image. [1:32:43] Let me find it real quick. [1:32:47] Let's see this post. [1:32:49] Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. [1:32:50] I gotta scroll down. [1:32:51] I post a lot. [1:32:53] If you guys aren't following me on Facebook, uh, you should be. [1:32:56] I post quite a lot. [1:32:58] Um, but, you know, this set of pictures right now, uh, with our boys, we are getting back [1:33:08] into black and white film processing and developing, and it's just been so much fun. [1:33:15] And one of the things that people suggested when, uh, when I put a poll in the fish tank [1:33:24] about the giveaway, you know, how did it go? [1:33:26] What'd you guys think? [1:33:26] One of the suggestions was how about you auction off one of your prints? [1:33:33] And I thought about that. [1:33:35] I've actually, um, I don't know if you guys know this. [1:33:37] I'm a pat myself on the back a little bit, but I'm a very, I'm a very good photographer. [1:33:47] That's horrible. [1:33:48] That just sounded so bad, but I was trained well and I've practiced well for a long, long [1:33:53] time I was, I was, uh, seduced by the siren song of digital photography for many, many [1:33:59] years, but getting back behind the shutter of a film camera has been fun. [1:34:06] Uh, I, I just purchased the new back for the camera in the background there, the RZ 67. [1:34:11] So I'll be doing, I'll be shooting there on that camera quite a lot. [1:34:16] And, um, I also got the negative carrier for my enlarger for that film size. [1:34:21] So I'll be doing a lot there, but I wondered about doing something with photography where [1:34:27] I could, I don't know, I could, I could do limited prints or something like that. [1:34:33] If that's something that you guys would be interested in purchasing for, um, supporting [1:34:39] the channel that it's something that I, that I love to do anyway. [1:34:43] Uh, I, I've been spending all of my nights, you know, once I'm done with work, um, which [1:34:50] happens at about eight 39 o'clock, I've been going down either processing film or going [1:34:56] down and into the, into the dark room and, uh, and printing my old stuff. [1:35:00] And boy, do I have so much old stuff guys. [1:35:05] I am sure I'm actually surrounded by bags and bags of negatives right now from over the [1:35:12] years. [1:35:12] So if that's something that you guys are interested in, I might do limited edition [1:35:16] prints, like do, do 10 prints and, uh, make them. [1:35:21] So they're mailable eight by tens and they could be limited edition, like numbered one [1:35:25] through 10 or something like that. [1:35:27] Uh, if that's something that you guys would be interested in, you just, uh, maybe, maybe [1:35:31] go over to the tank. [1:35:33] Uh, the easiest way to find the fish tank is to go to my website, Gavin fish.com. [1:35:38] Click on this little icon up in the corner there that will take you to the fish tank. [1:35:42] And, uh, and tell me if that's something that you would be interested in doing. [1:35:46] I, I I'd love to do it. [1:35:50] And, and while I'm 35 years out of practice, it's really 33 years out of practice in the [1:35:55] dark room, the muscle memory is coming back, man. [1:35:58] And again, I was very well trained. [1:36:00] I, I not only was I trained in high school, but I did an internship with, with an amazing [1:36:06] technician, this was back in the nineties, long since passed, but was one of Ansel Adams lab [1:36:15] techs. [1:36:16] Uh, I did an internship with him. [1:36:17] So it's coming back to me and I'm having a great time. [1:36:20] Tell me if you think that might be a good idea. [1:36:23] Uh, Mooney says Prince, uh, Mooney says, yeah, Prince would be a great idea. [1:36:29] And Marie says that would be awesome too. [1:36:32] Yeah. [1:36:33] Maybe, uh, maybe so. [1:36:35] Ooh, granny, Debbie building forts in the living room with blankets and chairs. [1:36:38] I've done that with all the grants. [1:36:39] That's a great one. [1:36:40] That's a great one. [1:36:41] That is so much fun guys. [1:36:43] Thanks so much for spending your time with me. [1:36:45] We'll be, we will be back tomorrow, 6 PM Eastern time right here on YouTube to talk about the [1:36:51] defense side of this document. [1:36:52] So please join me then until then join me on all the socials, Facebook X, Instagram, I'm [1:37:00] everywhere. [1:37:02] And, uh, and I'd love, oh, and, uh, a review on Spotify or on your favorite podcast platform [1:37:10] would be deeply appreciated, especially if it's a positive, probably not supposed to ask for [1:37:14] that. [1:37:15] Just an honest review would be great. [1:37:17] Okay. [1:37:17] With that, I bid you adieu. [1:37:19] Thank you very much for being here. [1:37:22] I'll catch you on the next one. [1:37:23] Take care. 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