Tyler Robinson's roommate & lover REVEALS suspect's behavior, texts after Charlie Kirk ASSASSINATION

[0:01] this meeting is uh to use your statement here instead of your testimony at a preliminary hearing [0:09] understand that okay so um in order to do that to do that i need to place you under oath and also [0:15] give you a an admonition about false statements okay first uh you do solemnly swear or affirm [0:22] that the evidence you shall give in this issue shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing [0:27] but the truth so help you god yes um i also need to notify you that you are notified the [0:34] statements you are about to make may be presented at to a magistrate or a judge in lieu of your sworn [0:40] testimony at a preliminary examination any false statement you make and that you do not believe [0:46] to be true maybe sub may subject you to criminal punishment as a class a misdemeanor understand [0:52] that yes it potentially could be used as uh for punishment as a higher offense as obstruction [0:58] of justice um in addition i just want to make sure that our recording here is clear that uh you've [1:08] also been given um a federal agreement and a state agreement granting you immunity from prosecution for [1:15] materials that you discuss now do you understand that okay um first i'm going to cover some of the [1:23] things that you've already talked about but to make it um as part of this record um first what's your [1:30] name a full name with middle name or just first and last person last is fine okay my name is lance twigs [1:37] and do you know tyler robinson yes i do or well yeah i do and this is the same tyler robinson that's [1:44] been charged with the shooting of charlie kirk yes and would you say when you first met uh tyler i think [1:53] it was 2023 i've known him longer than that though that was i think the first time i met him in person okay [2:01] um and will you describe your relationship with tyler uh when you first met him anyway um when i first [2:13] met him i didn't know him super well he was just a new roommate so uh i knew he knew my friend group [2:23] and i knew he liked playing games but that's that's about it when we first uh like when he first moved [2:28] him okay um before we go on i realized my mic was muted okay i'm going to repeat those admonitions just [2:39] to make sure you got it recorded okay so um again i placed you under oath um um just to make a record [2:47] i'm going to do it again you just always swear that evidence you shall give in this issue shall be the [2:53] truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes and again i'm going to give you the false ad uh [2:59] statement sorry hold on um they're saying that it's echoing so i think this one's my ideas on okay sorry [3:09] okay that's fine okay okay so we should be good all right i'm like off okay great all right um okay [3:28] sorry about that interruption all right so you said when you first met met you were roommates uh yeah okay [3:34] and then um at some point uh your relationship progressed to something more than three months [3:39] so right when was that um i think we started dating two or three months after we moved them okay and [3:47] where did you live at that time st george uh in an apartment complex and is that apartment the same [3:54] place you lived uh when on september 10th yes um when you lived there uh with tyler were you in the same [4:05] room did you live in the same room or different uh separate rooms and at that time [4:11] let's say september of 2025 um what was what were you doing with your life were you working school [4:18] uh i was working um i was doing like bathtub and shower repair and stuff in new construction [4:25] okay how about tyler um i think he was both working i think he was working for an electric like an [4:33] electrician company then and he was also in a trade school for being a i don't know higher like [4:40] ranking electrician i'm not sure how the trade system works for that okay but i think he was [4:45] both what was his typical work day like um i think you'd leave around seven generally and get back [4:54] around three to four uh depending on like where the job was and how long it was for the day and then on [5:04] certain days of the week during school like semesters he would then later in the day i think around [5:11] five or six go to school so yeah okay let's jump to september 10th um did he spend spend the night [5:20] in the apartment the night of september 9th into september 10th yeah he did uh yes do you know [5:29] when he left the apartment on september 10th um i don't know an exact time i just know he left early [5:36] uh i heard him leaving and he just said he had a like a long drive to work that day so he was leaving [5:42] early okay so early um any guess as to what um when that was uh i don't know i would have thought [5:53] it was 5 a.m because that's when like an early work day was for him but it was probably more like [5:59] four okay i'm as bad as gum just to make sure that i can do that you're right in front of your laptop [6:08] oh here you go thank you so what time did you get up on september 10th probably like 12 to 1 p.m [6:31] you didn't have to work that day uh no and did you hear from tyler did he call or text you before [6:38] then uh no he sent that message in the group chat i mentioned but he didn't message me directly at all [6:44] that day okay when did you first hear from him on september 10th uh it was at 11 o'clock with that [6:52] like automated message okay 11 p.m yeah what about this he asks you here remember how i was engraving [7:27] bullets was he engraving bullets before this uh yeah i don't remember exactly when but uh he had [7:33] said he was planning to go hunting with his family um and he asked me for a if we had a like a dremel [7:40] to because he said he wanted to create messages on bullets um and i just told him where dremel was and [7:49] i told him to make sure he doesn't like set off a bullet on accident in the house [7:54] um but i didn't really think about it until then how long before um september 10th was this that [8:02] he asked about the dremel i i don't remember because he'd been talking about the uh hunting [8:09] slash camping trip for a couple months but i i don't remember when he was specifically asking to [8:17] engrave the bullets so so are we talking like a year before oh no not not that not that long it would have [8:24] been i'd say at most a month before this was when he was asking okay um you talked about the note [8:45] that he left um i want to bring this up and i should say that um these text messages that we've been [8:52] looking at here are um bates number 54 okay uh the notes have been titled 16.3 with a note and this is [9:08] base number 58 do you recognize that that on the screen there yeah yeah what do you recognize it as [9:17] um that was the note under his keyboard that he was referring to in the first text of that chain [9:25] so where did you find this on on his desk underneath his key like uh computer keyboard i what you i assume [9:42] you read it yeah and then what did you do with it after you read it um i believe i just put it back [9:49] down on the desk after i took a picture of it okay and again the time you read it was probably around [9:55] 11 o'clock or so on the 10th yes the night of september 10th did you ever see that again after you [10:05] placed it back on his desk uh no i don't think i did and that was a desk in his bedroom yes and that's [10:13] a separate bedroom than your bedroom yeah and now i want to go to uh what's been titled 16.2 do you [10:25] recognize this series of messages here um yeah that was the server of like his friends that i was [10:40] mentioning okay and this is your phone again uh yeah and i'm assuming you recognize it because the big [10:49] crack up at the top and so this is a server is this discord yeah this is discord and [10:58] who who are members of this server i don't want names just generally who are these people [11:02] um this is his friend group um they played dnd together every week okay and i just want to scroll [11:10] through this to make sure that i get a chance to take a look at it or go to the next page yes so [11:29] tyler icon who's that that's tyler robinson these other people are just others that are members of the [11:36] server yes jug barnaby marina dm yes yeah like dm means dungeon masters so this is uh these are like [11:46] most of them are names they're using in the in the game they're playing currently got it it looks like [12:04] the last text from tyler looks like it's um 8 pm and do you know what day this would have been 8 pm on [12:11] the 10th or the 11th uh i would think that would be the 11th because uh on at least i think so because [12:21] i don't think on the 10th that he messaged anyone before me at like 11. so and he turned himself [12:28] in on the 11th right i thought so yeah i'm just going to go through this so that we have a record of [12:37] the messages is that an accurate recording of that thread uh to my knowledge yes and that was said [13:06] it looks like between september 10th and september 12th looks like the last day on this is september [13:11] 12th screen uh yes all right so again those messages hovered from september 10th to the evening [13:41] of september 11th now september um 11th what time did or did you see hi however on september 11th uh yes [13:52] when did you first see him on september 11th so this is the day after yeah i saw him when i woke up [13:58] um like i said he was like up and around doing a lot of stuff around the house um and then i uh i [14:08] think i saw him after that message where i said i'll come home and say i'm doing laundry because i [14:14] didn't want him going to my parents house right then when he said there was probably cops outside so [14:21] i went back home and it was just him there and i said bye to him and then he drove off [14:27] so i just went back to my parents house so he acted erratically um was he pacing [15:01] was he just sitting down relaxing no he was uh walking around a lot right and that's within the [15:07] home um and did he talk about what he had done uh didn't go into detail he just i just asked him [15:18] in person if what he said was true the night before and he said it was i started crying a little bit and [15:25] said he wishes he hadn't done it uh and then kept going around and just doing stuff i think to keep [15:35] himself busy or distracted or something okay did he talk about what he was going to do next uh and [15:49] then eventually said that he would talk to his parents or turn himself over okay and when you left [15:58] was that how you went you left understanding that he was going to turn himself in or go to his parents [16:03] house yeah and i didn't really want to be at our apartment while any of that was happening regardless [16:09] of what went down okay um before he came home had you seen the press the press releases um any of the [16:24] media on on this uh i'd seen one instagram like link a friend of mine had sent in our group chat [16:33] but i hadn't really looked into it at all and uh had you seen the images that were released of the [16:40] suspect uh i did the next day i don't think i saw any on the tech i'm going to show you a couple of [16:49] those images i'm on the fbi's website um you can see the url there at the top this is some press release [17:07] about this event um and here on the screen you see these there's looks like there's two rows of three [17:14] images um do you recognize the person in these images i wouldn't say with a hundred percent [17:23] certainty just because of camera quality but that looks like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing [17:28] the sunglasses i don't think i'd specifically seen him wearing that hat but he was usually wearing a hat [17:36] and then jeans so it definitely especially the bottom the last two definitely do look like him [17:44] they do look like tyler robinson uh you talked about that with your friends right this is his [18:00] friends yeah i don't um i don't know if i talked i don't remember if i talked about it with any of my [18:06] friends um and then since i didn't have my phone after that for a while and i still am not using [18:12] social media i don't i don't know uh on my friend's end okay um all right i want to back up a little bit [18:20] now we've talked about september 10th but let me get a little bit of um context here so um did you [18:27] game with tyler uh yeah what kind of games um i played some just kind of party games together like [18:36] stuff anything that would be multiplayer with a group of friends uh there was one game he really [18:41] liked called sea of thieves where he plays like a pirate and you can you can fight against people but [18:47] most of us just like fishing fighting sharks skeletons kind of stuff um we played some co-op [18:55] games where it's like uh you both have to work together to win in whatever way uh way back when [19:03] like when i was just out of high school when i first knew him online we played some like shooting [19:10] games together but i i didn't know him very well so that was just when we had like a whole friend [19:14] group on to play and he was someone that my friends invited okay um did you and he ever talk about [19:19] politics um he did more than me uh i i didn't really still don't really keep up with politics very [19:28] much uh he'd usually talk about stuff he heard on the radio on his drive to work and like their work [19:35] car since it sounds like a their whole crew went in the same car most of the time but uh i wouldn't [19:43] say super consistently because it wasn't a topic i really contributed much on about charlie correct did [19:50] you ever talk about charlie kirk i i personally had never heard him talk about charlie kirk before [19:55] specifically okay um how about um political issues so did you ever talk about gender identity issues and [20:06] lgbtq rights uh no not not really um uh usually if he did talk about politics stuff it was uh relating to [20:17] trump or current like policies being uh like issued or voted voted on i think but yeah okay so before [20:50] that you have been for uh for a short time yes okay and um i understand you're going by luna at some [20:57] point uh to some people yeah but not as an overall thing um i think that's all the questions i have for [21:37] this portion uh let me check and see if i've missed anything the dremel that you talked about um you [22:04] said he had asked for that is that right and had he told you it was to inscribe bullets yeah and uh so [22:12] did you have a dremel then yeah okay uh it was in our like we had a our apartment we had a section [22:17] where we kept all our like random tools for household stuff uh in our like uh lower basement level pantry [22:24] um so yeah okay and did you give that to him or tell him where it was i just told him where it was [22:30] yeah i'm gonna go ahead and end the recording for the 1102 purposes states exhibit 16. ms hunt thank you [23:00] judge agent davis i asked you yesterday what i want to remind the court and those present were you [23:09] physically present at the interview we just watched in states exhibit 16. yes i was there and aside from [23:19] the court ordered redactions did it appear to you to be fair and accurate about what you remember [23:27] that interview that day yes yes i do during that interview did mr twiggs was he shown or or referenced [23:37] certain items of evidence yes he was what types of items of evidence was he shown uh it was the text [23:44] messages between himself and let tyler off between himself and tyler robinson a discord mess discord chat [23:52] messages and the handwritten and then we also saw in the video he was also shown the fbi release [24:00] press release photos of the potential suspect that's correct yes have you reviewed all of those items [24:06] as part of the investigation yes i have you're familiar with them yes all right i want to put just on [24:13] the witnesses screen what's been marked for identification of states exhibit 16.1 and for the [24:18] record this is this includes the edit that the court the one edit that the court has uh previously ordered [24:25] thank you let me know when you see that on your screen i see it now do you recognize this uh yes i do [24:57] what is it this is a photograph of uh screenshots of text messages between tyler robinson and lance twigs [25:07] this is a photograph of uh lance's uh phone so sorry you said photograph you also said screenshot uh can [25:15] you can you differentiate or clarify there yeah yeah sorry um yeah these are photographs directly from [25:21] lance's phone how do you know that uh in lance's first interview he is shown he's showing the fbi agents [25:31] these these text messages um describes them to the agents um and at that time those those uh his phone [25:40] was photographed and you testified i believe yesterday that mr twigs first interview was the [25:48] morning of september 12th 2025 is that correct that's correct yes were you physically present at that [25:55] interview no i was not there have you spoken with the officers or agents that that were uh yes i've spoken [26:02] to one of those agents that was there and you stated that that first september 12th interview of mr [26:13] twigs was recorded uh yes audio video recorded have you reviewed that recording yes i have [26:20] so you stated that we're looking in states exhibit 16.1 at a picture of mr twigs phone yes do you know [26:28] who took these photos yes it was agent larson with fbi did you speak with agent larson and confirm that [26:35] i did and you you kind of made reference to this already but how did mr twigs initially show law [26:42] enforcement the relevant text messages yeah during that first interview on september 12th [26:46] um he physically they he shows them the phone and then allows them to photograph the phone and does [26:57] he identify it as his phone in that interview yes he does does he refer to any particular uh features [27:04] of the phone that allows him to make that identification i believe the second interview [27:08] he refers to the the large crack in the upper left screen that uh so he identifies that from in [27:17] the his second interview that was given on april 20th and according to your review of the recording [27:23] of his first interview and in speaking with the agents that were there did he have his personal [27:30] phone with him at the time of the september 12th interview yes he did and was this same text thread [27:38] that we're seeing in states exhibit 16.1 shown to him during his second interview um in sorry let me [27:45] get the date right april 20th 2026 at the utah county attorney's office that we just observed part of [27:53] in states exhibit 16. yes it was shown to him was he asked how tyler robinson is is saved in his phone [28:03] like as a contact yeah just as tyler without saying it obviously did he identify tyler robinson's phone [28:11] number yes he did did you check the number that mr twigs gave as tyler robinson's phone number against [28:19] law enforcement records yes i did and do they match yes they match is states exhibit 16.1 a fair and [28:26] accurate representation of the text thread between or the relevant text thread between mr twigs and mr [28:31] robinson yes it is as part of the investigation was a celebrate extraction performed on mr twigs phone [28:40] yes it was did you personally review that extraction yes i have [28:48] and according to that extraction did mr robinson and mr twigs exchange text messages on september [28:55] 10th through 11th 2025 yes they did what time was that first text sent according to the celebrate [29:02] extraction uh the first text was september 10th at 11 p.m all right judge i would move to admit [29:13] states exhibit 16.1 and i and then pursuant to court order i would i would move to publish it to the [29:23] monitors so novak we have no further objections beyond those that the court deserve i'll note the [29:35] standing objections made by defense those objections are overruled the 16.1 is admitted into evidence and [29:44] may be published to the gallery as well as electronically distributed through the camera all right agent i want [29:56] to i'm not going to go through every single message but i do want to have you read aloud certain portions [30:01] of them and i apologize to council these are not actually given a page number i have page numbers [30:09] but i'm happy to confer that that we're on the same page as we go so here we're looking at page one [30:16] of states exhibit 16.1 if you could start if you could read a little more than halfway down where it [30:27] begins wednesday 11 pm will you start reading underneath that yes um so this would have been from from tyler [30:36] says drop what you're doing look under your keyboard and i apologize let me stop you there how do you [30:41] know that this that message would have been from tyler robinson that's just so any of the messages in [30:47] gray would be from tyler and message in blue would be from uh from lance which is with iphone that just [30:53] distinguishes the messages and also lance lance in his interview also acknowledges that who was saying what [31:01] and up at the top who do we see that this thread is is between uh tyler all right sorry to interrupt [31:11] you uh so so read that again starting from look under the keyboard uh so so uh after that then lance [31:19] responds he says what and then he says you're joking right and then tyler says fuck i tried to delete [31:26] that we could scroll down to page two and if you can continue reading uh and tyler says i'm still [31:38] okay my love but i'm stuck in orem for a little while longer yet shouldn't be long until i can come [31:44] home but gotta grab my rifle still to be honest i had hoped to keep this secret till i died of old age [31:51] i am sorry to involve you and then lance replies you weren't the one who did it right and tyler [31:58] tyler says i am i'm sorry that lance says i thought they caught the person and then tyler says no they [32:07] grabbed some crazy old dude and interrogated someone in similar clothing i had planned to grab my rifle [32:13] from the drop point shortly after but most of that side got side of town got locked down it's quiet [32:19] almost enough to get out but there's one vehicle lingering we could scroll down to page three continue [32:28] reading uh lance says why and tyler says why did i do it and lance says yeah tyler says i had enough [32:37] of his hatred some hate can't be negotiated out if i'm able to grab to grab my rifle unseen i will have [32:44] left no evidence going to attempt to retrieve it again hopefully they have moved on i haven't seen [32:50] anything in the news about them finding it we'll update you shortly or charlie will update you by [32:55] midnight and then lance says all right stay safe how long have you been planning this scroll down a [33:02] little bit please kimberly and tyler replies a bit over a week i believe i can get close to it but there [33:10] is a squad car parked right by it i think they already swept that spot but i don't want to chance it [33:15] we can scroll down to page four and continue reading uh about halfway down i'll stop you about halfway down [33:25] uh this is while they were spot but i don't want to chance it while they're parked there if they'd [33:30] found it i imagine there would be more commotion again i'm sorry for roping you into all of this [33:36] you shouldn't have to worry about this and lance replies does anyone else know tyler says not to my [33:43] knowledge all right i'll stop you there uh let's move to page five so this should be page four so just [33:51] scroll down one please kimberly and if you could read starting sorry kimberly scroll a bit more down [34:05] if you could read um i don't know about a one-third of the way up that's that starts with guess tyler [34:15] says guess i'm guess i'm just sitting in my car watching reels for another hour hoping this guy [34:21] fucks off and continue and lance says are you okay still and tyler says yes check and spot again now [34:29] will sorry now we're on page six continue reading uh we'll update soon he continues the squad car was [34:39] moved further away enough that i should be able to move in i backed off because i thought i heard [34:44] footsteps maybe a foot patrol but the crickets here are so loud gonna see if the if the road closer to [34:52] campus is open so i can drive past and check shit out probably still closed off though getting worried [34:58] hard to know for sure but i'm not finding my rifle could be in the wrong spot lance says do you think [35:05] they found it and tyler says donno they haven't published anything if they have and then lance says [35:13] why did you leave it behind oh sorry kimberly if you could scroll down originally also does it have a [35:24] serial number we could scroll to page seven and i'll continue reading i'll stop you on this page in a [35:36] little bit okay so tyler continues uh idek if i had uh if it had a serial number but it wouldn't trace [35:48] to me i worry about prints i had to leave it in a in a bush where i changed outfits didn't have the [35:54] ability or time to bring it with and stop there please and then if we could go to the next page page [35:59] eight and if you could start at the top okay so lance says was your change of clothes there or was that [36:12] also gone or did you bring those with you originally anyway you could replace the gun or would he [36:19] notice then tyler says only thing i left was the rifle wrapped in a towel i'll bet that canine sniffed [36:26] it out a little snitching bastard we replace it unlikely i don't fully know what the gun was because [36:33] it was old as shit and gramps did some modifying there was a four digit serial serial on it god only [36:40] knows who it's registered to hopefully some dead guy who gave it to grandpa and he continues remember [36:48] how i was engraving bullets the messages are mostly a big meme if i see notices uh bulge uwu on fox news [36:57] i might have a stroke and then continue i'll stop you in a moment says all right i'm gonna have to [37:04] leave it that really fucking sucks let me stop you there and then if we could go on to the next [37:10] page page nine and do you see the the first blue message we see on page nine uh can you start there [37:20] yes uh so lance says do you need it for hunting and tyler says no my dad wanted to use it to use a [37:29] high caliber for the rifle hunt judging from today i say gramps gun does just fine idk i think that was a [37:37] a tooth a 2k scope uh lance says geez and then tyler says olmw home uh 3.5 hours lance says drive safe [37:51] and then tyler says delete this exchange and i'll stop right there and then sorry we're on page nine if [37:57] we can scroll to page 15 and then the second grade message on page 15 if you could start there okay so [38:23] this is tyler i'm gonna turn myself in willingly one of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff [38:30] we hope to keep things sort of quiet here and then i'll stop you there okay and we can remove [38:36] the exhibit from the screen thank you kimberly we mentioned a cell bright extraction of mr twig's phone [38:45] do you know what time that last uh text was sent yeah i recall it was just before 8 p.m on uh september [38:54] 11th was i think 7 42 p.m is my recollection i'm sorry september 11th yes um would september 12th [39:07] make more make sense or you're saying september 11th so september 11th was when we turned himself [39:14] in okay september 11th yeah thank you all right i'm going to show just for the witness states exhibit 16.2 [39:22] let me know when you see that okay i see it do you recognize this i do yep what is it uh this is [39:40] just more photos of lance's phone and these are sorry these are the the uh sorry i had to play [39:51] every uh sorry go with your question please um i'm just asking what it is so you said it's photo of [39:57] lance's phone do you know if that's from the same time here it is the exhibit we just looked at uh yes [40:02] and what is it of these are the discord uh messages of that lance had talked about how do you know that [40:11] uh so lance in the first interview with fbi shows the phone and the photos are taken by agent larson [40:18] and then these images are shown to lance during a second interview and it confirms that these are [40:24] those same messages and this this is uh photos of lance's phone you mentioned an agent larson took the [40:30] photos um do you know he's the same agent that took the photos of this exhibit 16.2 uh yes same agent [40:38] and you spoke with him to confirm that yes i did are you aware if mr twiggs is actually part of this [40:44] discord thread uh he yes he is a part of it um he doesn't in in this section he doesn't reply to it [40:54] but he does state in his statement that he was part of that thread does he identify whether mr robinson [41:00] is part of that thread he does and when did that happen uh he identifies that in this first interview [41:07] uh with the two fbi agents and then he again confirms that in the second interview did mr twiggs say [41:14] what username on discord mr robinson used at least with respect to this thread yes it's the uh tyler slash [41:22] ikum i-k-u-m and is 16 exhibit 16.2 a fair and accurate representation of that discord thread yes it is [41:34] did law enforcement send as part of your investigation did law enforcement send a subpoena to discord yes they [41:40] did were these messages recovered via that subpoena they were did you review that yes i did and in [41:51] state's exhibit 16.2 that is before you when is the first message from tyler sent uh 7 57 pm and it says [42:03] yesterday do you have any knowledge of what day that would have been yes this would have been september 11th [42:16] so tyler sends the first message that you're seeing on exhibit 16.2 september 11th at 7 57 pm [42:24] yes that's correct you testified earlier that mr robinson arrived at the washington county sheriff's [42:29] office approximately at 9 pm is that right uh yes that's correct and although you weren't physically [42:37] present there yet because you were flying down uh how do you know that he arrived approximately around [42:41] 9 00 pm uh just based on the the police reports are reviewed and and go back and look at the video [42:47] and such uh judge the state moves to admit states exhibit 16.2 and publish it pursuant to court order [43:05] mr noback thank you we've already lodged all of our objections on all three phases