Trump storms out—retreat under pressure or savvy politics?

[0:00] I think he should do this two to three times a week. [0:02] This was a great interview. [0:03] Storm out of interviews? [0:04] Oh, no, absolutely, because the president's base [0:06] and most of the country still views the mainstream media [0:09] as very biased against them. [0:11] They feel very demonized by the media. [0:13] They feel very misunderstood by the media. [0:15] They don't feel like the mainstream media has done enough [0:18] to try to understand that. [0:20] The actual proof of the thing that he's claiming. [0:22] Can I talk about that? [0:23] Because that's always the comeback. [0:25] Where's the evidence? [0:26] Yeah, because... [0:27] The evidence is this. [0:27] If you're going to claim fraud, there should be some evidence. [0:29] The evidence is this. [0:31] You have a California system that enables fraud to happen easily. [0:35] You don't have voter ID. [0:37] You have mass mail-out ballots. [0:38] You have voter... [0:39] That's not evidence. [0:40] That's not proof. [0:41] That's just a description of an electoral system. [0:44] It's an electoral system that's ripe for fraud. [0:46] Right for fraud is not fraud. [0:48] That is not fraud, though. [0:49] No, but then you have statistical anomalies [0:51] where you have Rahman, who was third place, [0:54] was getting 20% of the vote, [0:56] and then the after vote, the vote after the election day, [0:58] she gets 40% of the vote. [1:00] Okay. [1:01] That's a total... [1:02] Speculation is also not proof. [1:04] Hold on just a second. [1:05] It's so infuriating to why people try to make speculation. [1:08] It's to prove. [1:08] It's not speculation, that's data. [1:11] That is not data. [1:12] We're going to spend a whole segment on the California race [1:15] in just a moment. [1:16] So we're going to talk through some of the stuff [1:18] that you're talking about there. [1:19] But I actually think that we can boil it down [1:21] much more simply than this. [1:23] Trump falsely believes that he won the 2020 election [1:27] that he lost. [1:29] When he is challenged on that, [1:31] he gets upset and he storms out of an interview. [1:33] Explain that one. [1:34] No, they were talking about the Merrill race in California, [1:37] and he was talking about the fraud there, [1:39] the rigged election there. [1:40] Okay. [1:41] That's what they were talking about. [1:41] It's rigged? [1:42] You believe it's rigged? [1:42] I do believe it's rigged. [1:43] Hold on. [1:44] Oh, my God. [1:44] We can wrap this show up. [1:45] 100% rigged. [1:46] We can wrap this show up, dude. [1:47] He also was talking about his favorite obsession [1:50] that he lost in 2020. [1:51] What's that? [1:52] In that exchange, [1:53] he also was talking about the election [1:55] that he lost in 2020. [1:57] Well, he talked about 95%. [1:59] He also got mad because he has 95%. [2:01] What's the explanation for that? [2:02] 95% negative press coverage. [2:05] He's sitting there in a negative press interview. [2:07] What does press conference have to do with the fact [2:09] that she asked for proof of fraud? [2:11] Here's the thing about the president. [2:14] When he was candidate Trump [2:15] and they had the primary [2:17] and he lost to Ted Cruz, [2:19] the first thing he said was it was rigged. [2:23] And he insisted that the state officials [2:25] change the actual results of that primary. [2:28] You remember that. [2:30] And Ted Cruz was very upset by that [2:31] because he called Ted Cruz a liar. [2:33] That was, what, 10 years ago. [2:36] So to characterize... [2:37] I wish he was still calling Ted Cruz a liar [2:38] because that's not true. [2:40] So to characterize his conversation [2:41] without an understanding of who he has been, [2:44] I think is unfair to the conversation [2:47] we're supposed to be having now. [2:48] He's always done this. [2:49] Caroline also suggested that Trump [2:51] loves taking tough questions. [2:52] But here is his very real history [2:55] of not taking tough questions [2:57] that he doesn't like. [2:58] Listen. [3:00] Your first statement was, [3:03] are you ready for tough questions? [3:05] Are you? [3:05] That's no way to talk. [3:07] That's no way to talk. [3:08] I think we have enough of an interview here, Hope. [3:11] Okay, that's enough. [3:12] Let's go. [3:13] Let's go. [3:14] The only way it's not going to happen again [3:16] is you have to solve the problem [3:19] of the presidential rigged election of 2020. [3:22] Mr. President, if I... [3:23] Whoa, whoa, whoa. [3:24] One more question. [3:25] ...that you said was a great doctor. [3:27] And that video that you retweeted last night [3:29] said that masks don't work [3:31] and there is a cure for COVID-19, [3:33] both of which health experts say is not true. [3:36] She's also made videos saying that [3:38] doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens [3:41] and that they're trying to create a vaccine [3:43] to make you immune from becoming religious. [3:45] Well, maybe it's the same, maybe it's not. [3:47] Last week, well, real quick. [3:48] Okay, thank you very much, everybody. [3:50] Thank you. [3:51] Okay. [3:52] Okay, no. [3:53] Hold on, because I haven't spoken. [3:54] There's two different things [3:56] that I think need to be addressed [3:58] in the clip that we saw [3:59] from the Meet the Press interview. [4:00] The first is him alleging [4:03] that he didn't lose the 2020 election. [4:06] Trump and his team filed over 60 challenges in court [4:09] and lost every single one of them. [4:11] So there is no evidence that held up in court. [4:14] That's number one issue. [4:16] The second issue, [4:17] which to me is just as horrible [4:19] and needs to be discussed, [4:21] is his consistent berating and insulting [4:24] and ad hominem attacks, [4:26] particularly against women, [4:28] whether it's... [4:29] Give me a break. [4:30] What do you mean, give me a break? [4:31] Kristen Walker, this is what it's Kristen. [4:33] Caitlin Walker, this is last week. [4:35] I worked with Kristen when I worked at the White House. [4:37] Why don't you give me a break? [4:38] Have you no shame as a woman? [4:40] That we hear him call them ugly and picky [4:43] and crooked and liars [4:45] and stupid and bad journalists? [4:47] Have you absolutely no solidarity with women? [4:51] Oh, my God, I can't believe you. [4:53] Sit here and tell me to give you a break. [4:55] Hold on, hold on. [4:55] In this network, we hear him [4:57] tell our journalist that she's not fit to be a journalist [5:00] because she doesn't smile. [5:03] How dare you tell me to give you a break? [5:06] Have some shame. [5:06] Why would the president tell a woman [5:09] that she doesn't smile enough [5:12] when she's working, asking him a question? [5:15] Because he's an equal opportunity offender. [5:17] And let's not pretend... [5:18] Let me explain how the game... [5:19] Give me another example of him telling a woman... [5:20] Let me explain how the game works. [5:22] Give me an example of him being equal opportunity... [5:24] Let me explain how the game works [5:26] because Caitlin got something out of that exchange, too. [5:28] The president gets a lot [5:29] out of having combative exchanges with journalists. [5:32] His base loves it. [5:33] That's why I said he should do [5:34] two to three more of these a week. [5:35] His poll numbers go up. [5:36] But Caitlin's getting something out of it, too. [5:38] So many journalists have made their careers in this country [5:41] off of being combative with President Trump, [5:43] Caitlin Collins included, Jim Acosta, [5:45] many former people. [5:46] It is all part of the game. [5:47] It is all part of the theater. [5:48] It's not a game. [5:49] Why is it a game to you? [5:50] But the fact that you guys are going to call us a woman problem... [5:52] Kristen did one of the toughest interviews [5:53] I have seen someone do with the president up to date, [5:55] and she deserves credit for that. [5:57] He couldn't take it. [5:58] He didn't push back... [5:59] She threw all the way to... [6:00] She threw all the way to... [6:00] She just pushed back... [6:01] She was tough questions. [6:01] ...and didn't do her job. [6:03] No, the guy needs to grow up. [6:05] He's the president of the United States. [6:07] He needs to grow up, and instead of walking out... [6:09] How many interviews did Biden do? [6:10] How many interviews did Biden do? [6:11] And how much did you criticize him? [6:13] You never did an interview. [6:13] Okay, and Biden is back in the White House. [6:15] It's like a reflex. [6:18] That is a separate conversation. [6:19] It's the truth. [6:20] Then just... [6:20] So is the 2020 election. [6:22] What are you doing? [6:22] Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, [6:23] Biden. [6:24] Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, [6:27] I'm just making a point. [6:28] I get it. [6:29] You want the president to look good. [6:31] I get it. [6:32] You want to talk about 2020. [6:33] I mean, I'm bringing up... [6:34] No, he does. [6:34] You said... [6:36] No, he... [6:37] I actually brought up 2015, [6:39] when he started beginning the lies... [6:40] You did that, too. [6:41] ...about talking about how elections have been stolen. [6:43] I was just letting you know that the pattern here [6:44] has been two years long. [6:45] That's why I brought that up. [6:46] But to the point I'm trying to say right now, [6:48] is that what do you want this nation to gravitate towards? [6:51] The behavior that we've seen in which you berate women, [6:54] or behavior in which you learn how to negotiate with someone [6:57] that you don't agree with, [6:58] but you don't need to yell or get up and leave it out of an interview. [7:01] It's about... [7:01] It's a little more that you'll be right women, [7:03] because apparently it's good for your image. [7:05] I hear you're pushing back on LZ and Anna [7:09] and suggesting that maybe this is somehow about Joe Biden, [7:12] which it's not. [7:13] Are you comfortable with Trump being challenged on something, [7:17] and rather than defending his point, [7:18] just simply storming off of an interview? [7:20] He did defend his point. [7:22] She kept on and on with the same question. [7:24] He said that he thought the election was rigged. [7:27] He answered the question. [7:28] Yeah, and she asked for proof, and he provided what? [7:29] It goes back... [7:30] He talked about what I just said. [7:32] If you look at the whole election system in California... [7:34] You did what you said. It didn't make any sense. [7:35] Of course it does. [7:36] No, it doesn't make any sense. [7:37] And I'm not... [7:37] And it's not a fact. [7:38] I just want to be clear. [7:38] And it's not proof. [7:39] It is a fact. [7:40] I just want to be clear. [7:40] It's not a proof. [7:40] We are going to tackle what you were saying about California, [7:44] because there is no proof of what you're saying about California. [7:48] But in this particular segment, [7:50] I want to deal with the... [7:51] We know the long-running Trump obsession, [7:54] which he also brought up in that interview, [7:56] with his loss in 2020, [7:58] which he has now tasked the government [8:00] with trying to validate, [8:02] even though there's no proof of it. [8:03] Why is it that when he is challenged on that, [8:07] he can't answer for it? [8:08] Look, we know there were... [8:09] Look, after the fact, [8:11] we know there were problems in Arizona. [8:12] We know there were problems in Georgia. [8:13] Oh, my God. [8:14] We know after investigation... [8:15] What were they? [8:15] You can't prove that in 45 days. [8:17] What were they, Hal? [8:18] It's been six years. [8:20] What were they? [8:21] What were the problems? [8:22] There were problems with the voters in Georgia. [8:24] They found... [8:25] Where's the fraud? [8:25] There were voters that were... [8:26] Where's the fraud? [8:27] There was no problem with Arizona. [8:28] How many fraudulent votes were cast in Georgia? [8:30] Because I live in Georgia. [8:31] I want to get you live. [8:31] And I live in Arizona. [8:33] That's a lot. [8:33] Okay, first of all, [8:34] we can't have this conversation. [8:35] We can't have this conversation. [8:37] This man just said that there were thousands of false fraudulent votes. [8:40] The more you guys know there's no fraud, [8:41] the more likely there was fraud. [8:43] It's amazing. [8:44] No, the more that you lied, [8:45] the more we're going to push back on the fact that you are lying. [8:47] 81 million votes. [8:48] 81 million votes. [8:49] The Heritage Foundation keeps the largest database on voter fraud of anybody. [8:54] This is so ridiculous. [8:55] I want to walk off this thing out. [8:57] I'm sorry, I'm going to finish this point. [8:59] I'm going to finish this point. [8:59] Hold on a second. [9:00] They keep 30 years. [9:01] They've tracked 32 elections. [9:02] 100 million votes. [9:06] They have found 39 total cases. [9:10] That's so absurd. [9:11] It's so absurd. [9:13] That's absurd. [9:13] So the Heritage Foundation is absurd. [9:15] So where's your proof? [9:16] Where's your proof? [9:17] Where's your proof? [9:17] I just cited my source. [9:18] What is your source? [9:19] I got a question for you. [9:20] No, because I don't want to know what your source is. [9:23] Hold on, Hal. [9:23] You said it's absurd. [9:24] What is your source? [9:25] Mine is the Heritage Foundation. [9:26] Do you think there's no H-1B visa fraud? [9:28] Where is your source? [9:29] Do you think there's no Medicare fraud? [9:30] Do you think there's no home health care fraud? [9:32] Can you let me finish this thing? [9:33] You are not saying a source. [9:34] Guys, guys. [9:35] You are not saying a source. [9:36] There's fraud all over the federal government. [9:38] There's fraud all over the states for federal funding. [9:40] And yet there's no voter fraud? [9:42] Hold on. [9:42] Are you kidding me? [9:43] The idea that you're sitting here trying to convince us based on no source whatsoever to [9:50] trust your word and trust the president's word, what we know he is lying. [9:55] And I want to know if you think that was the reason. [9:57] I don't know if we're sitting here with you unless you're denying it. [9:59] Just a second. [10:00] Do you think it's reached as well? [10:01] Do you tell me there's no fraud in anything? [10:03] Medicare, Medicaid, H-1B visas, nothing. [10:05] You have no source and you're going to get live powder and it's still not going to work. [10:09] You don't have a single source. [10:10] They won't let them audit the polls. [10:11] Guys, stop talking. [10:12] Because y'all are talking so loud. [10:13] But to be honest, Hal, you're not saying anything. [10:14] It is. [10:15] Okay. [10:16] I think I am. [10:17] No, see what the viewers say. [10:18] The president has agreed to do a second interview. [10:19] Hold on a second. [10:20] Caroline wants to have a quick word and then we're going to go to a break. [10:35] By the way, I would just add, the president has agreed to do a second interview with Kristen [10:39] Welper, which doesn't surprise me at all. [10:40] Oh, girl, please. [10:41] We want to know you're an election denier. [10:42] So Kristen will have her own time, so I'm sure ask him for further evidence. [10:46] All right, ma'am. [10:47] Welcome to hell. [10:48] We are going to leave that. [10:49] Way more than Biden ever did. [10:50] We're going to leave that right there.