Trump says Stephen Miller will replace Susie Wiles as his chief of staff — full coverage

[0:00] language about the future of Susie Wiles. The president is saying she's transitioning over, [0:05] he says, to the Trump political operation. We've also heard that some deals were cut between Susie [0:13] Wiles and the president before he ever got into office, how he would handle major decisions while [0:20] in office. A lot of reports out there say that Susie said to him, look, this is not going to be [0:24] a White House where we fire people. And so you're seeing there, she's not fired, she's being [0:30] moved. And we have seen that as a pattern in the Trump administration when people have come and when [0:35] they've gone from the Trump administration, some like the recent White House press secretary. [0:49] This is CBS News Special Report. I'm Tony DeColpe. We're coming on the air because just moments ago, [0:53] President Trump announced that Stephen Miller will become the new White House Chief of Staff. [0:57] Miller, currently the Deputy Chief of Staff, will replace Susie Wiles. For more on this, [1:02] let's go to senior White House course one at Ouija Zhang. Ouija, I think this is a surprising move [1:06] for many because one of the lessons of the midterm elections, at least the interpretation from [1:12] many Republicans is that they had gone too far on immigration and mass deportations. And now you [1:18] have Stephen Miller, the architect of all that, being elevated instead of fired. How do you read it? [1:24] Well, Tony, it is a surprise for that very reason, because Stephen Miller is the architect of [1:32] the president's hardline immigration policies, which, as you mentioned, have been widely unpopular [1:38] among Americans who, in poll after poll, have said they believe this administration has gone too [1:44] far. But he is also a Trump loyalist, somebody who has been with the president for quite some time, [1:50] and there aren't many of those folks left around him. You can see in the president's own words here, [1:56] what he said just a short time ago, that he is pleased to announce that Stephen Miller, the current [2:02] deputy chief of staff on the Trump administration, will replace another longtime aide, Susie Wiles. [2:08] Now, Susie Wiles has been with the president for about a decade. She was in charge of his campaign [2:14] down in Florida in 2016 and 2020. And then in 2024, she was actually his campaign manager, Tony. [2:22] And you might remember at that time, there were many Republicans who had distanced themselves from [2:28] President Trump, but she stayed with him. And she has been incredibly loyal. And in return, [2:35] he has been loyal to her, often praises her in public, often talks behind the scenes about what [2:41] a powerful and smart and important figure she has been for his presidency. But it's not surprising, [2:49] Tony, that there is some change, right, after the devastating Republican losses that, you know, [2:57] we are continuing to report out. There have been a lot of speculation about who might shoulder [3:03] some of the blame here. The president still, in this announcement, continued to praise Susie Wiles, [3:09] but I'm sure we'll be learning more about what led to this major shakeup soon. [3:14] Luigi, thank you very much. Let's turn now to Chief Washington Correspondent Major Garrett. [3:19] Major, I'm glad you're here because this is perplexing on multiple levels. Susie Wiles, [3:24] recent cancer survivor, widely seen as a stabilizing force in the White House, is replaced [3:28] by Stephen Miller, widely seen as a combative force within the White House. Does this signal more of [3:36] a posture of defense and, I guess, more of a war footing in this last two years? [3:41] I think that's accurate, what you just described, Tony, war footing. What should we think about [3:47] Stephen Miller? Stephen Miller is a MAGA originalist and a MAGA absolutist, okay? He thought of and [3:56] believed many of the things that became MAGA, that became America First before Donald Trump did, [4:02] okay? He is at the sort of intellectual, ideological, rigid core of America First MAGA. And as Chief of [4:12] Staff, he will now be the first advisor President Trump hears on every matter, domestic policy, [4:17] international policy. So he will occupy a different place within the Chief of Staff ranking than Susie [4:24] Wiles did. Why do I say that? Because Susie Wiles, to what Ouija was just indicating, [4:28] was a light manager of the Oval Office, trying to make the president comfortable with what his [4:36] decisions were, the flow of information, those who came in and came out. But she was not someone [4:41] who was either a MAGA originalist or a MAGA absolutist. Let the president land where he was [4:47] eventually going to land. Stephen Miller will not treat the Chief of Staff position that way. [4:51] He will drive that agenda closest to the president, make sure he adheres to it. And anyone who's [4:58] thinking, well, there might be openings for the president to be creative and pursue compromises [5:03] with congressional Democrats, either on the Senate or House side, with Stephen Miller there, [5:07] I think the probability of that has been dramatically reduced. [5:10] It does make a change. Let's go back to senior White House course. Why don't Ouija Zhang, [5:13] Major, thank you very much for that. Ouija, have we heard from Susie Wiles? [5:17] She just sent a tweet, Tony. One other distinctive difference between Susie Wiles [5:23] and Stephen Miller is that Wiles largely works behind the scenes. She is not one to get in front [5:30] of the camera, to spar with reporters, which is very different from Stephen Miller, who often [5:35] likes to push back in public and scold reporters about why, you know, the Trump policy should be [5:43] what they are. But we have heard now from Susie in a tweet. She wrote that today is my last day [5:48] as White House Chiefs of Staff serving President Trump in the White House has been the honor [5:53] of a lifetime. She goes on to talk about how proud she is of what they have accomplished, [5:59] including securing the border, cutting taxes, strengthening the economy and putting America [6:04] first. And she says in closing, Tony, that more than anything, she's grateful for the extraordinary [6:10] people that she has had the privilege of working alongside. And she is committed to working with [6:17] the president and carrying out his mission, even if she is not here. We should say, Tony, [6:22] that Susie Wiles is incredibly popular inside the White House. We've seen various chiefs of staff [6:30] over the years who serve President Trump. And this is one person I can say who is widely [6:37] respected by so many people. I don't think I've ever heard a staffer say anything bad about Susie [6:44] Wiles, which is pretty remarkable given how long she has been here, Tony. [6:49] All right. Weijia Zhang, thank you very much. Major Garrett as well. A little note of reporting here [6:53] from our CBS colleagues in Washington. Sources tell CBS News that Wiles gave Mr. Trump her resignation [6:59] on Thursday night. And you'll also hear more from President Trump himself in an exclusive interview [7:04] this Sunday with 60 Minutes. Our coverage will continue on CBS News 24-7, on your local news, [7:10] and tonight on the CBS Evening News. This has been a CBS News special report. I'm Tony DeColbe. [7:15] And we are following breaking news out of the White House. Susie Wiles is out as chief of staff. [7:35] Her replacement will be White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller. President Trump made the [7:40] announcement on Truth Social. And it's going to happen quickly. Miller will begin on Monday. He [7:45] thanked Wiles for an outstanding job and said she will now be moving over to the Trump political [7:51] operation. Now, we know that Susie Wiles is one of the reasons why President Trump was able to get [7:57] back into the White House. Let's talk more about that with CBS News senior White House correspondent [8:01] Weijia Jiang. By all accounts, she was considered the muscle behind his political machine. [8:07] What happened? Absolutely, Lindsay. I mean, she became his campaign manager at a time when [8:15] President Trump did not have a lot of friends and did not have a lot of Republicans who were willing [8:20] to continue working with him and supporting him after he lost the election in 2020. But Wiles [8:27] stood by his side and launched an incredible comeback for the president to come back to the [8:33] White House here in 2024. And she is among his most trusted aides. It's not terribly surprising that [8:42] there is a shakeup, not only because this is around the time when there would be a change of guard [8:48] anyway. But after those devastating losses for Republicans, perhaps the president felt like [8:56] it was time to go in a new direction, which is certainly what Stephen Miller brings to say the very [9:02] least. As our colleague Major Garrett pointed out, he is, you know, much more than just the architect [9:09] of the president's hardline policies. He is really an architect of the MAGA movement and came up with [9:17] many of the foundations of that movement before the president even embraced them. So this is somebody [9:26] who is a fighter who is extremely aggressive and, again, is very close to the president. And his name [9:34] has been floated before to fill such a position. Remember, he was around during the president's [9:40] first term as well. But the reason why this is somewhat surprising, Lindsay, is because Miller is [9:47] responsible for many of the president's immigration policies that have been widely rejected by the [9:54] American public and one reason why so many Republicans lost on Tuesday night. But the president [10:01] continues to praise him and Susie Wiles. He thanked her for her service and said that she has done [10:07] a great job, Lindsay. Okay, Ouija, thank you so much. Now with us is CBS News Chief Washington [10:13] Correspondent Major Garrett. Now, Major, this is a very demanding job. It's a 24-7 job. Susie Wiles [10:21] was diagnosed with and defeated cancer during her tenure there. It's two years about the average time for a [10:28] White House Chief of Staff. So to Ouija's point, not incredibly surprising, given that this would [10:33] normally be the time for a shakeup anyway? It's not uncommon for two years to be about the sell-by [10:38] date for a White House Chief of Staff. It is the most demanding job in Washington. It is often [10:44] described as the hardest, most thankless job in Washington because traditionally, and we always have [10:51] to be careful when we talk about the Trump White House because traditions are often obliterated there. [10:55] Traditionally, the White House Chief of Staff's job is to tell the president, no, tell them hard [11:00] truths and manage their schedule, manage the flow of information in and out of the Oval Office. [11:07] Traditionally, that's what Chiefs of Staff do, and the Trump administration is completely different. [11:11] President Trump does his own information flow, takes it from a lot of different sources, [11:15] telephones people randomly at all hours of the day and night. Chiefs of Staff simply cannot control and [11:21] be a conduit as they historically have with information to this particular president. [11:25] Suzy Wiles was a light manager of President Trump through the Oval Office. Wanted to make [11:30] sure that he felt comfortable, did things basically the way he wanted to do them, and did not suggest [11:36] or even try to impose any kind of ideological point of view on his decision-making process. [11:42] Stephen Miller will do all of those things because he is, in every respect, a MAGA originalist [11:49] and a MAGA absolutist, and that is especially true when it comes to immigration. [11:54] There is simply not, Lindsay, been an immigration operation carried out in this country, [11:59] no matter how violent, that he did not endorse Stephen Miller, okay? [12:04] It was clear at the Department of Homeland Security, under Kristi Noem, the first secretary, [12:08] and Mark Wayne Mellon, the current secretary, as well as Tom Homan, the White House border czar, [12:14] that Stephen Miller drives immigration policy. He will carry that now into the Oval Office every [12:20] minute of every day, in addition to all the other things that fall under the domestic MAGA umbrella, [12:25] tariffs, taxes, deregulation, and the like. [12:31] But, Major, how are you comporting this with the overwhelming message the American people just sent [12:37] about what the Trump administration has been doing so far in the first part of its second term? [12:42] I read this as digging in. Digging in and having someone who will be absolutely, [12:48] unquestionably loyal to President Trump and his core MAGA instincts in all future negotiations with [12:54] a Democratic majority in the House and Senate. That doesn't mean compromises won't come, [12:58] because on some issues, they will simply have to be reached. But they will have to go through not [13:03] only President Trump and his instincts, but this, again, MAGA originalist, MAGA absolutist, [13:09] Stephen Miller as chief of staff. I mean, this is still so new, so fresh, [13:13] we're still digesting it. But do you imagine that some members of his own party who are thinking, [13:19] what does the GOP look like in a post-Trump, post-MAGA world look like, that they might be doubting [13:25] this decision or thinking this isn't necessarily a good look for us going into 28? [13:29] They will be saying to themselves, this is President Trump doing what he does when he [13:34] feels most endangered, pulling those closest to him who he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt [13:40] are most loyal, elevating loyalty over strategy, elevating loyalty over what can you possibly [13:47] achieve on the compromise front that might burnish your legacy. That's what they'll conclude. [13:52] Any other thoughts, Major? [13:54] I'm about done. [13:55] All right. Appreciate it. Appreciate you. Let's go now to CBS News National Security [14:00] Correspondent Nicole Skanga to pick up on what Major was talking about, Nicole, in regards to [14:06] immigration and maybe the origins of some of his hardline beliefs, because they go back to his college [14:13] days. [14:14] They certainly go back to his college days, and they were certainly demonstrated not only in this [14:18] most recent administration, Lindsay, but also in the first Trump administration, where Stephen Miller [14:23] was the architect of the family separation policy. But look, Stephen Miller, as Major said, has been [14:29] one of the main drivers of the immigration agenda within this administration. I'm talking about [14:35] mass deportations with numerical targets of one million deportations a year, which, of course, [14:41] we're not close to, or a quota of 2,000, 3,000 arrests per day, expanded ICE raids away from the border, [14:49] all of the interior enforcement that we have seen in cities like Minneapolis, Chicago, Los Angeles, [14:55] and others, a major expansion in immigration detention capacity across the country, investments [15:03] in the billions in expanding that footprint, faster deportations with fewer procedural delays, [15:09] ways less opportunities for asylum and refugee admissions, deportations to third countries. [15:16] That has been a major push by Stephen Miller, narrowing birthright citizenship. The list goes [15:22] on and on. And so he is no stranger to shaping signature policies within the Trump administration. [15:28] But it will be interesting to see, especially given the sort of resounding response during this [15:35] midterm election, to see in what ways this different Trump administration, if you want to call it that, [15:42] will double down on some of their less popular immigration agenda items, like, again, interior [15:50] enforcement sending ICE into cities to make arrests, going after more than just those who have criminal [15:58] warrants out on their arrests, to find individuals who only have civil immigration violations and deport [16:06] those individuals immediately. Some of the cruelty, frankly, that we've seen demonstrated by ICE and [16:13] CBP agents, some of the more aggressive policies when it comes to vehicle pursuits that have led to [16:19] a sort of string of officer-involved shootings. So these are all conversations that we will likely be [16:26] having in the coming days and weeks about what we will see under a sort of Stephen Miller White House. [16:33] Nicole, do we have a better view of how voters felt about the crackdown on immigration going into [16:42] the midterms or any data from the exit polls that we know about how that informed their decision? [16:47] We know cost of living, affordability was one of the huge issues. Corruption became a growing, [16:53] an increasing concern for voters. But there were also a lot of people who were motivated to go to [16:59] the polls because they didn't like what they were seeing in some of these cities that you've mentioned. [17:03] Well, that's absolutely right. And I don't think there was a more resounding image of that than [17:09] individuals in Minneapolis putting their I voted stickers on the Renee Good and Alex Preddy vigil [17:15] sites that had grown from where they had been shot at. In terms of what the statistics, how they play out, [17:21] obviously we know that cost of living and corruption were the number one and number two items according [17:26] to our exit polls. But interior enforcement was up there. I mean, overwhelmingly Republicans appreciated [17:33] the Trump administration's agenda item of securing the border. What was less popular was the uptick in [17:39] the number of ICE arrests in the country's interior and some of the larger cities. And yes, a lot of us [17:47] remember the sort of crackdown in Minneapolis, but it's also in small towns and cities across the United [17:54] States in places like Los Angeles, like Chicago, in communities in Texas. And so a lot of those voters [18:03] that sort of shifted towards President Trump, including Hispanic voters in 2024, did not like [18:11] what they were seeing as they witnessed neighbors, friends, community members being arrested and [18:17] deported who otherwise had a clean sort of bill, no criminal records. And we know that roughly 70% [18:26] of individuals arrested by ICE don't have a sort of criminal history, even though the Department of [18:33] Homeland Security has been broadcasting that they have been going after the worst of the worst. So yes, [18:38] certainly this interior enforcement policy that was driven in large part, not only by then-Secretary [18:45] Kristi Noem, but also directed by Stephen Miller, was not as popular as some of the president's [18:51] other border policies. So it'll be interesting to see what happens if and when, in all likelihood, [18:59] this White House doubles down on those sort of policy pushes that were less favorable among swing voters. [19:06] For anybody who is just joining us, we have breaking news out of Washington. [19:11] We can confirm that Susie Wiles gave President Trump her resignation on Thursday night. [19:16] That is according to officials who are telling CBS News. We know Stephen Miller is in. [19:21] I'm going to go ahead and read some of Wiles' post on X. She said, [19:25] serving President Trump in the White House has been the honor of a lifetime. [19:29] I'm so proud to have been a part of what we've accomplished together, [19:31] from securing our border and cutting taxes to strengthening our economy and putting America [19:36] first. More than anything, I'm grateful for the extraordinary people I've had the privilege [19:41] of working alongside. While my role may be changing, my commitment to the president and [19:45] the mission never will. So today's her last day. Miller is going to hit the ground running on [19:52] Monday. Nicole, what do we know about his relationships in Washington? Is he generally [19:58] considered an effective dealmaker? Is he considered a fire rod? [20:03] I think it's a little more of the latter than the former, Lindsay. I mean, [20:07] certainly Stephen Miller is a known entity within Trump's circle, and he has a number of relationships [20:14] with both members of Congress and also just operators within Washington. I don't know that he is known [20:21] as a dealmaker. I think, in fact, this kind of runs contrary to what we were hearing from the [20:26] president in the immediate aftermath of Tuesday night, which was that he was looking forward to [20:33] working with Democrats to cut deals. I think what we're seeing now with Stephen Miller starting as [20:39] chief of staff on Monday, the odds of those deals being made have been greatly reduced. I mean, [20:46] both Wiles and Miller did work very closely with one another during the second Trump administration, [20:52] but they had very different styles. You know, Wiles had emphasized more discipline, more managing, [20:58] competing personalities. Miller has always been more publicly confrontational and focused on really [21:05] driving immigration policy. You know, Miller was among several individuals. We understand that [21:12] we're being considered for this role to succeed Wiles. I think the timing here is quite interesting, [21:18] so close after the midterms. Obviously, we're still reporting out what exactly led up to President [21:26] Trump's decision to make this happen today. But certainly Miller is moving from a policy leadership [21:34] role into more of a staff management role that he might not be as used to. And we're certainly not [21:40] used to seeing him in a role where he has to deal with many competing personalities that are often [21:47] attracted to the president's inner circle here. He does have a relatively good relationship with Tom [21:54] Homan, who is often thought to be the sort of operational planner of the president's immigration [22:01] agenda. He had a very good relationship with then-Secretary Kristi Noem. He maintains a good [22:09] relationship with the current DHS secretary, Mark Wayne Mullin. He has a close working relationship [22:16] with Secretary Marco Rubio from the State Department. But I think it remains to be seen [22:20] if he could really reach across the aisle in the way that the president alluded to following the [22:25] midterm elections to make deals or even just reach out to Democrats. Certainly he does not have a [22:31] reputation for that. Nicole Skanga, thank you so much for that insight. Joining us now on the phone [22:35] is CBS News National Security contributor Sam Vinigrad. Sam, what are your thoughts? [22:39] Well, my thoughts are, you know, having served with several different chiefs of staff, [22:43] the president chooses how to use the chief of staff or chief of staff differently based on their personal [22:49] relationship and based on that individual strength. Generally speaking, the chief of staff is present in [22:54] every single national security meeting that's held at a principal level, that's a cabinet level, [23:00] without the president, of course, all the meetings that the president is involved in as well. So [23:04] whomever's chief of staff is going to be both present and asked to have a view on major national [23:10] security and foreign policy decisions. At the same time, as Nicole pointed out, in my experience, [23:16] the chief of staff plays a really significant external engagement role, in particular with members [23:22] of Congress to try to get deals done there. And in addition to a range of external political [23:27] stakeholders and interest groups. So the kind of external engagement piece of this role is quite [23:33] significant, not to mention the role that this individual will play and really casting a vote [23:38] on these major national security and foreign policy issues. And importantly, trying to liaise with [23:44] national security cabinet officials and their agencies. You know, the chief of staff of the White [23:48] House spends a good chunk of their day historically on the phone with other cabinet secretaries, [23:55] with chiefs of staff at other departments and agencies. So that'll more than likely be an [24:00] important part of this job if President Trump uses Stephen Miller as past presidents have used their [24:05] chiefs of staff. All right, Sam Vinagrad, thank you. And for anybody who is just joining us, [24:12] Susie Wiles, the president's chief of staff for the first part of his second tenure in the White House [24:18] is out. CBS News can confirm that she gave her resignation to the president [24:22] on Thursday night. Let's go ahead and take a live look right now. I believe in around the Oval Office, [24:30] the president has called the press to gather. Of course, if he does speak to the press, [24:36] we will be taking that to you. 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[29:23] I mean, she became his campaign manager at a time when President Trump did not have a lot [29:29] of friends and did not have a lot of Republicans who were willing to continue working with him [29:34] and supporting him after he lost the election in 2020. [29:38] But Wiles stood by his side and launched an incredible comeback for the president to come [29:45] back to the White House here in 2024, and she is among his most trusted aides. [29:52] It's not terribly surprising that there is a shakeup, not only because this is around the [29:58] time when there would be a change of guard anyway, but after those devastating losses for Republicans, [30:07] perhaps the president felt like it was time to go in a new direction, which is certainly what [30:12] Stephen Miller brings, to say the very least. [30:15] As our colleague Major Garrett pointed out, he is much more than just the architect of the [30:22] president's hardline policies. [30:24] He is really an architect of the MAGA movement and came up with many of the foundations of that [30:32] movement before the president even embraced them. [30:36] So this is somebody who is a fighter, who is extremely aggressive and, again, is very close [30:44] to the president. [30:45] And his name has been floated before to fill such a position. [30:49] Remember, he was around during the president's first term as well. [30:54] But the reason why this is somewhat surprising, Lindsay, is because Miller is responsible for [31:01] many of the president's immigration policies that have been widely rejected by the American [31:06] public and one reason why so many Republicans lost on Tuesday night. [31:12] But the president continues to praise him and Susie Wiles. [31:16] He thanked her for her service and said that she has done a great job. [31:21] Lindsay. [31:21] Okay, Ouija, thank you so much. [31:23] Now with us is CBS News Chief Washington Correspondent Major Garrett. [31:27] Now, Major, this is a very demanding job. [31:30] It's a 24-7 job. [31:32] Susie Wiles was diagnosed with and defeated cancer during her tenure there. [31:38] It's two years about the average time for a chief of staff. [31:41] So to Ouija's point, not incredibly surprising, given that this would normally be the time for [31:46] a shakeup anyway. [31:47] It's not uncommon for two years to be about the sell-by date for a White House chief of [31:52] staff. [31:53] It is the most demanding job in Washington. [31:55] It is often described as the hardest, most thankless job in Washington because traditionally, [32:01] and we always have to be careful when we talk about the Trump White House because traditions [32:05] are often obliterated there. [32:08] Traditionally, the White House chief of staff's job is to tell the president no, tell them hard [32:12] truths and manage their schedule, manage the flow of information in and out of the Oval Office. [32:19] Traditionally, that's what chiefs of staff do. [32:21] And the Trump administration is completely different. [32:22] President Trump does his own information flow, takes it from a lot of different sources, [32:27] telephones people randomly at all hours of the day and night. [32:30] Chiefs of staff simply cannot control and be a conduit as they historically have with information [32:36] to this particular president. [32:38] Susie Wiles was a light manager of President Trump through the Oval Office, wanted to make [32:42] sure that he felt comfortable, did things basically the way he wanted to do them, and did not suggest [32:48] or even try to impose any kind of ideological point of view on his decision-making process. [32:55] Stephen Miller will do all of those things because he is, in every respect, a MAGA originalist [33:01] and a MAGA absolutist, and that is especially true when it comes to immigration. [33:06] There is simply not, Lindsay, been an immigration operation carried out in this country, [33:11] no matter how violent, that he did not endorse Stephen Miller, okay? [33:16] It was clear at the Department of Homeland Security, under Kristi Noem, the first secretary, [33:20] and Mark Wayne Mellon, the current secretary, as well as Tom Homan, the White House Borders [33:25] are, that Stephen Miller drives immigration policy. [33:29] He will carry that now into the Oval Office every minute of every day, in addition to all [33:34] the other things that fall under the domestic MAGA umbrella, tariffs, taxes, deregulation, [33:41] and the like. [33:43] But, Major, how are you comporting this with the overwhelming message the American people [33:48] just sent about what the Trump administration has been doing so far in the first part of [33:53] its second term? [33:54] I read this as digging in. [33:56] Digging in and having someone who will be absolutely, unquestionably loyal to President [34:01] Trump and his core MAGA instincts in all future negotiations with a Democratic majority [34:07] in the House and Senate. [34:08] That doesn't mean compromises won't come, because on some issues, they will simply have to be reached. [34:14] But they will have to go through not only President Trump and his instincts, but this, again, [34:18] MAGA originalist, MAGA absolutist, Stephen Miller as chief of staff. [34:23] I mean, this is still so new, so fresh, we're still digesting it. [34:27] But do you imagine that some members of his own party who are thinking, what does the GOP look [34:33] like in a post-Trump, post-MAGA world look like, that they might be doubting this decision [34:38] or thinking this isn't necessarily a good look for us going into 28? [34:41] They will be saying to themselves, this is President Trump doing what he does when he [34:46] feels most endangered, pulling those closest to him who he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt [34:52] are most loyal, elevating loyalty over strategy, elevating loyalty over what can you possibly [34:59] achieve on the compromise front that might burnish your legacy. [35:02] That's what they'll conclude. [35:04] Any other thoughts, Major? [35:06] I'm about done. [35:07] All right, appreciate it, appreciate you. [35:10] You're watching CBS News 24-7, big breaking news today, we'll be right back. [35:32] The only way to get a 360-degree understanding of America is to get out there in America. [35:38] So I get out there to try to talk to people about what matters to them. [35:42] I'm Tony DeCoppo, join me for the CBS Evening News. [35:46] CBS News, face the nation with Margaret Brennan Sunday on CBS. 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