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Trump COLLAPSES in interview, TOUGH to watch

David Pakman Show April 23, 2026 11m 2,044 words
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"Donald Trump was interviewed this morning on CNBC and suffered a complete and total collapse. This is difficult to watch. This is difficult to listen to. And Trump actually admits he's afraid of falling down. What is fascinating about this, Trump says it in a sort of jokey way. But one of the..."

[0:00] Donald Trump was interviewed this morning on CNBC and suffered a complete and total collapse. [0:06] This is difficult to watch. This is difficult to listen to. And Trump actually admits he's [0:11] afraid of falling down. What is fascinating about this, Trump says it in a sort of jokey way. [0:17] But one of the things that many doctors when I go to my dermatologist, I'm asked when I check in, [0:24] have you fallen recently or are you worried about falling down? And if you say I am worried [0:32] about falling down, that triggers a certain intervention because the fear of falling down [0:40] is something that can be can serve as a proxy to health and physical stability. And Trump said on [0:48] CNBC this morning, I got to be careful. Now, he makes it political. If I fall, it'll be a big story. [0:55] But Trump is acknowledging here, which is fine. He's an elderly guy, obese and very out of shape. [1:02] It's fine. But the story we're told is there is no one more powerful and strong and youthful than this [1:10] guy. He's acknowledging I am afraid of falling down. The Saudis impatient now or do they want [1:17] are they on the other side where they are? He's another great guy. You know, he gave me the famous [1:23] line that I use a little bit. He said, a year and a half ago, sir, you were a dead country. Now, [1:28] you're the hottest country anywhere in the world. He said that to me. And it's true. We were a dead [1:32] country. We had a guy that wasn't respected. We had a country that was laughed at. He couldn't walk up a [1:37] flight of stairs. They get about down. He couldn't walk up a flight, but he was falling all over the [1:42] place. I have to be careful because if I do trip or fall, it's got to be the biggest. That's why when I get [1:48] out of those planes, I walk nice and slowly. I'm not looking to set any speed records. But we had [1:54] an embarrassing country. We had a country that was going to fail. If this country would have failed [1:59] if I didn't win this, this isn't the first time Trump has brought this up. Now, you might say, [2:02] David, this isn't really a huge deal. Well, I just we need to acknowledge the contrast between the [2:08] healthiest president ever on the one hand and the accurate headline of oldest president ever [2:15] regularly acknowledges he's afraid of falling down. That does not project the strength and alpha [2:25] characteristics that many of his biggest supporters ascribe to him. Trump was asked about [2:31] refunding proceeds from his illegal tariffs, and Trump said that we're giving the money to people [2:38] who hate the country. I'm so sorry to break it to you, Donnie boy. The money goes to American companies [2:45] because American companies paid the tariffs and we can't do that. And you'll see that, you know, [2:51] we had a little setback with the Supreme Court. They said, I can charge tariffs, but I have to do [2:55] a different way. And because of what they did, we have to pay back one hundred and sixty billion [3:00] dollars. All they had to do is add one sentence, just one sentence. And that's you don't have to [3:06] pay anything taken in thus far back. But because they didn't add. And by the way, it was a close call [3:11] too. There were justices that were powerful that I was right on the tariffs. Right. Because we lost [3:18] by just two votes, you know, just a little vote, two votes. We have to pay back one hundred and sixty [3:24] five billion. They could have with a little to little tiny Supreme Court votes. One sentence, [3:30] you don't have to pay back tariffs that have already been received. You start from this point [3:35] and you do it a different way. So we're doing it a different way. We're going to end up with the [3:39] same. Actually, we'll end up with bigger numbers, actually. But it's a little more unwieldy. But [3:43] it's the way it's been done. But it's so Mr. President, the Supreme Court didn't want to save [3:48] our country with one sentence. One hundred and six. All right, guys, who thinks that Trump is lying [3:54] and who thinks he's actually confused? We are now years into Trump talking about tariffs and who pays [4:00] the tariffs. China paid the tariffs. Trump is suggesting that the tariff refunds go to China. [4:06] But why would the tariff refunds go to China or any other country that hates us when those countries [4:11] did not pay the tariffs? You import something. It gets to the port. The port authorities contact you [4:18] and they go, hey, your crap is here. Your stuff is here. Your steel is here. Whatever. If you want [4:24] it released from the port, you've got to pay the tariffs to the U.S. Treasury. American company [4:30] cuts a check, sends a wire to the U.S. Treasury does not involve China. Does Trump know this at [4:37] this point? And he's just lying to keep up the charade. Or is Trump still confused? Now, Andrew [4:43] Ross Sorkin, interestingly, brings up that there are a lot of companies that have not as of yet [4:48] requested the refunds on the tariffs. And Trump basically just goes full loyalty Mussolini. And he [4:57] goes, I'm honored that they're not asking for the refunds, a reminder of the status quo of politics, [5:04] of loyalty and cronyism. That topic. There's a whole number of very large companies, including Apple [5:10] and Amazon and others that have not sought reimbursements yet for the tariffs. I mean, [5:16] they haven't they haven't tried to collect refunds. And from what I understand, part of the reason [5:22] that they have waited is because there is a worry about, frankly, offending you. Would you find it [5:29] offensive for them to try to collect a refund? I think it's brilliant if they don't do that. [5:33] Actually, I actually think if they don't do that, they got to know me very well. I'm very honored. [5:39] He's sort of acknowledging, yes, I will be offended. And yes, I will try to hurt them. They know me very [5:44] well by what you just said. If they don't do that, I'll remember them. I will tell you that because I'm [5:49] looking to make this country strong. Supreme Court could have helped us. Now they have birthright [5:54] citizenship. They'll probably rule against us. No country in the world has it. It's hard. Of course, [5:58] many countries have birthright citizenship, but that is not really the subject of our discussion here. [6:03] Trump is admitting his politics is a politics of loyalty and cronyism. He charged illegal tariffs [6:10] paid by companies. And when someone suggests to him, even though they would be entitled to get their [6:16] tariff back, their tariff payments back, they're worried about offending you and what you will do. [6:22] And Trump goes, that's beautiful. That's absolutely right. And I will remember that. I will remember [6:26] them. I think that that's a beautiful thing. Overt cronyism and loyalty tests. Donald Trump insists [6:35] we control the Strait of Hormuz. Anything else is fake. Well, if we control it and Trump wants it open, [6:45] why aren't ships going through it very successfully? And the blockade has been a tremendous success. [6:51] They said two days ago, we will open the Strait. I said, no, we're not going to open the Strait [6:56] until we have a final deal. No, no, we want to open the Strait. They said, we're not opening. We [7:00] totally control the Strait, just so you understand, for all the fake news out there. And this president, [7:06] we are. There you go. Well, Trump closed it in order to get it open. And so it should be open, [7:13] but we closed it and ships go through it, but they don't. And we're in control, but we aren't. [7:18] And Iran had better, except it's all up to me. Come on, guys. Come on. Inflation. Where was inflation [7:27] where Joe when Joe Biden left office? I will tell you in a moment, but I will also play for you, [7:34] Donald Trump lying about this. I just want to return for one second and make an analogy. You [7:41] saw what inflation did to the Biden legacy and administration. So 22 percent price increases. [7:49] By the time he was, by the time he was leaving, it was down to about where it is now, about three [7:55] percent, but not a single. It was down to five percent. It wasn't down or three, but not a single [8:00] person. And the reason it was down was because I had won the election and it started falling. [8:04] After I won the election and lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Trump makes two claims that when Biden left [8:12] office, inflation was five percent and that it was only down because Donald Trump had been elected, [8:18] but not yet sworn in. We have the data. It's up on the screen. As you can see, inflation peaked [8:25] during the covid phase. It peaked at nine point one percent and then it went down, down, down, down, [8:31] down and essentially hit its rough bottom in July of 2023, meaning we had all of July 23 to July 24, [8:41] plus August and September and October and a few days of November under Joe Biden. And as you can see, [8:48] inflation was all equally low. It got even down as low as two point four percent. And then as Donald Trump [8:57] was sworn in, it basically was in that same window between two and a half and three and a half percent. [9:03] Trump is lying that inflation was five percent when Biden left office. In fact, when Donald Trump took [9:09] over in January of twenty twenty five, it was three percent. Trump is lying that it was his election in [9:15] November that drove it down further. He is lying, lying, lying. And they let him get away with it on CNBC. [9:23] Finally, Trump is asked, a deal might be signed today or tomorrow with Iran. If not, will you be [9:30] bombing? And Trump goes, oh, I think we're going to be bombing. To be clear, you're you're saying [9:35] that you need a at least a prospects for a signed deal today and tomorrow or else you would resume [9:44] bombing Iran. Well, I expect to be bombing because I think that's a better attitude to go in with. [9:52] But right now, we're ready to go. I mean, the military is raring to go. They are absolutely [9:57] incredible. You know, I built the military my first term. I'm using it now. The military, [10:01] when I took it over from Barack Hussein Obama, they had just it was so depleted. So anyway, [10:07] he gets back to his lies about the cupboards were bare. I'm the military is raring to go. [10:13] I expect to be bombing. So we're not really at the end of this three to four week war. 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