TOP Trump Officials COLLAPSE under CROSS EXAM at HEARING!!!

[0:00] Donald Trump's top officials were cross-examined in the United States Senate, one after another, [0:06] and each one folded worse than the next. You had Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick getting [0:11] cross-examined, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson getting cross-examined, Energy Secretary Chris [0:17] Wright getting cross-examined, Health Department Secretary RFK Jr. That was a total disaster in [0:22] those Senate hearings. Let me show you what went down. First, let me show you Democratic Senator [0:28] Van Hollen cross-examining a very arrogant Treasury Secretary Scott Besson and humbling him during this [0:35] cross-exam, really not, but just cross-examining him pretty good as Treasury Secretary Scott Besson [0:40] is just basically admits under oath that he wasn't aware of, I think, a pretty big fact. Let's play [0:46] this clip. Mr. Secretary, I wanted to ask you a little bit about your recent conversations with [0:53] folks in the government of the UAE. As I'm sure you probably know, President Trump and his family [1:01] have done a very brisk business with the UAE over the last few years. There was the $500 million [1:09] that Sheikh Tau Noon, the UAE's National Security Advisor and brother of the President, invested in [1:15] World Liberty Financial, which is the Trump family crypto venture, right before the President's [1:20] inauguration. There was the $2 billion in World Liberty stablecoin that Sheikh Tau Noon used to [1:28] invest in Binance, a deal that effectively handed World Liberty $2 billion in cash at the same time [1:35] that the United States government relaxed our export controls on high-end AI and ships to UAE companies. [1:44] And now I understand that the UAE is looking for a swap line. The war in Iran has already cost us [1:58] dearly. In my view, it's been a huge mistake, made us less safe and a lot worse off. In addition to [2:09] lives lost, we're talking about over a billion dollars a day in taxpayer money. We're talking about higher gas [2:17] prices, higher prices overall. And now we understand that the UAE is asking you to provide them a swap [2:27] line through the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Mr. Secretary, can you talk about this request and [2:34] whether or not you expect to support it? Senator, I would dispute much of what you [2:42] early said in any linkages to this swap line. Many of our Gulf allies have requested swap lines. You [2:50] would have just read about the UAE. And swap lines, whether it's from the Federal Reserve or the Treasury, [2:57] are to maintain order in the dollar funding markets and to prevent the sale of the U.S. assets [3:06] in a disorderly way. So the swap line would both benefit the UAE and the U.S. And as I said, [3:21] numerous other countries, including some of our Asian allies, have also requested them. [3:26] Mr. Secretary, you said you disputed some of the facts that I presented. Do you dispute the fact that [3:31] Sheikh Tanun, through his company, invested $500 million in World Liberty Financial just before the [3:42] president was ignored? No, you contest that. I'm unaware of that. You're not aware of that? [3:47] I'm not aware of that. Okay. I dispute your linkages. Are you aware of the other transaction [3:54] I mentioned? Essentially the $2 billion? Seriously? I'm not. I mean, it's been so widely reported, [4:01] Mr. Secretary, and been the subject of lots of questions. In fact, I believe I've asked you about [4:05] this in the past. Then you had Senator Van Hollen cross-examining Howard Lutnick. And he said, [4:14] remember last hearing when we talked about Epstein and you going to Epstein's Island? So you ready to [4:20] tell the truth? Watch what goes down. Play this clip. Terms of responses. And so I am going to go back to [4:29] requests and letters that were not responded to. Because you did say at the last hearing, [4:34] with respect to the Epstein affair, that you had, quote, nothing to hide. I assume that is [4:40] still your testimony today. Is that right, Mr. Secretary? That is right. So why have you not [4:48] responded to the letter that Senator Merkley and I sent following up on the last hearing, asking for [4:57] documents just to be transparent about the situation and answering the questions that we [5:05] presented in that letter? The last time we were together, I agreed and answered every question [5:15] on that topic with this committee. And I answered each and every topic. I have voluntarily agreed in [5:22] less than two weeks to sit and answer questions on this topic fully, whatever questions are asked of [5:28] me voluntarily in less than two weeks with your House colleagues. I would ask you if there are any [5:34] questions that you want me to answer, please give them to House colleagues and I am going to answer [5:40] them all. But I am here today to testify about the budget. And I look forward to discussing the [5:47] President's budget with you today. But I am volunteering within two weeks to answer any and [5:53] all questions on this topic. Well, Mr. Secretary, I'm aware of that. We presented you with questions and [6:04] requests from this committee that have not been responded to. So we're going to have to continue [6:11] to pursue that. We will follow closely what happens in that proceeding. I hope you will provide them [6:18] with the materials that we hope to secure here as well. And again, the reason I'm asking this [6:27] question at this hearing is because we didn't get a response to the letter. No response at all to that [6:33] earlier letter. Then Howard Lutnick is cross-examined by Senator Shaheen and she talks about how Lutnick's [6:41] rhetoric of continuing to attack Canada has backfired and watch Lutnick get so defensive, [6:47] let's play this clip. Last year, according to the World Travel and Tourism Council, [6:53] the United States saw a 5.5% decline in international visitors. We were the only major economy to see any [7:01] decline. In my home state of New Hampshire, tourism is the second largest industry, both by revenue [7:08] and it supports 70,000 jobs. Canada has long been our largest share of foreign visitors, [7:14] but last year we saw a 30% drop in Canadian tourism, largely due to the loss of trust and goodwill [7:22] because of this administration's rhetoric around Canada. Secretary Lutnick, last week, [7:28] you said about Canada's economic strategy and I quote, they suck. I believe your spokesperson then said [7:36] this was about Canada's economy leeching off of the US. How does insulting our closest ally and neighbor [7:44] help the businesses in my state of New Hampshire and states all across this country who are hurting [7:51] because of the loss of Canadian business and tourism? Canada's economy leans on the incredible [8:03] $30 trillion economy of America. There's no doubt about that, Mr. Secretary, but insulting our closest [8:09] ally and neighbor who provides a lot of business. We have a lot of businesses in New Hampshire, small [8:16] businesses who work on both sides of the border. We have all those Canadian visitors who are not coming [8:22] because of your comments and comments by the administration. How does that help our economy? [8:28] It is outrageous that Canada will not put US spirits on the shelf. It is insulting and disrespectful to [8:38] America that they won't even put... Absolutely. And my husband has an interest in a company [8:45] that has American spirits and they won't do it because of the insults from this president and comments [8:52] like yours. So I want to go on to another question. But can I have just one small comment [8:58] which is dairy is treated so badly and your state cares about dairy and we are trying desperately to [9:05] get them to live to the deal that they have on USMCA and stop treating our dairy farmers so poorly [9:13] and your state cares about that and we are fighting for that. We do, but we are not going to get [9:20] agreement when we keep insulting people. When we have allies and partners, we should try and work with [9:26] them, not insult them. And I find your rhetoric insulting to the people in my state who are working [9:34] so hard to try and ensure that they can do business. And then more of Lutnik getting very defensive and [9:40] dodging Senator Van Hollen's questions about Jeffrey Epstein. Let's play it. We did say at the last hearing with respect to the [9:48] Epstein affair that you had, quote, nothing to hide. I assume that is still your testimony today. Is that right, [9:55] Mr. Secretary? That is right. So why have you not responded to the letter that Senator Merkley and I sent [10:07] following up on the last hearing, asking for documents just to be transparent about the situation [10:16] and answering the questions that we presented in that letter? The last time we were together, [10:23] uh, I agreed and answered every question on that topic with this committee and I answered each and [10:32] every topic. I have voluntarily agreed in less than two weeks to sit and answer questions on this topic, [10:40] fully whatever questions are asked of me voluntarily in less than two weeks with your house colleagues. [10:46] I would ask you if there are any questions that you want me to answer, please give them to house [10:51] colleagues and I am going to answer them all. But I am here today to testify about the budget [10:58] and I look forward to discussing the president's budget with you today. But I am volunteering within [11:04] two weeks to answer any and all questions on this topic. Well, Mr. Secretary, I'm aware of that. [11:13] We, we presented you with questions and requests that from this committee that have not been [11:21] responded to. So we're going to have to continue to pursue that. We will follow closely what happens [11:27] in that proceeding. Uh, I hope you will provide them, uh, with the materials, um, that we hope to [11:34] secure here as well. Uh, and again, uh, the reason I'm asking this question at this hearing is because [11:42] we didn't get a response to the letter. No response at all, uh, to that earlier letter. [11:47] More from Van Hollen cross-examining treasury secretary, Scott Besant about, um, seems that [11:54] all you're doing is just bailing out rich people. It's like welfare for the wealthiest. Why are you [11:59] doing that? Here, play this clip. But the direct file was intended to give sort of working people, [12:05] uh, a little bit of relief and it did save on average 160 bucks and got very good reviews, [12:13] uh, in terms of people's experience with it. It does go to the larger question of the IRS, [12:20] which has lost 27,000 employees through actions such as rifts, the deferred resignation program, [12:27] and early retirement. 27,000 employees left because of those actions, right? Uh, yes, sir, [12:36] which there was quite a bit of bloat during the Biden years. Really? So we were, we were just getting [12:40] back to a more normalized level. So, Mr. Secretary, uh, you had to hire a lot of those people back, [12:46] right? Uh, we hired some people back in specific areas, not a lot of those, sir. Yeah. But how much [12:53] did it cost to both first let people go and then go back and have to rehire a bunch of them? Uh, again, [13:02] it was not a bunch of them and we have made very large gains in technology. Are you aware of the fact [13:09] that the treasury inspector general for tax administration released a report in January [13:14] showing how the IRS service delivery has declined because of these changes? Have you seen that? Uh, [13:25] what, what I've seen, Senator, is that the, the Democrats said that the filing system was going [13:30] to be a disaster. It's been a home run. And what you are nitpicking me on now is the difference between [13:36] answering a call in six minutes and nine minutes. And, and sir, let me tell you the way the calls used to [13:41] work that the IRS under the Biden administration would answer the call and a tax pay in six minutes [13:48] and a taxpayer would be on hold for 20 or 30 minutes. Now, when the taxpayers call gets answered, [13:53] they get serviced right away. So it's a false equivalent. Secretary, what you, what you've done [13:58] is provided a, a, a windfall to very wealthy people who don't pay their taxes. Senator, why, [14:04] why would I do that? Why would I do that? What is, what is your theory of the case? Because this, [14:09] what is your theory of the case? Because this, Mr. Secretary. Because I am committed to collect. [14:12] Senator Huston. No, because the Senator's time has expired. Senator Huston has time after time. [14:17] Mr. Secretary. The tax code in favor of very wealthy. Senator Huston. [14:20] Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Then you had Senator Coons cross-examining Bessett. Let's play this clip. [14:26] No countries profited more from this war than Russia. Oil and gas prices are up nearly 50% since February. [14:32] And it'd be bad enough if Russia were just profiting from higher global oil prices. But your Treasury [14:39] Department lifted sanctions on Russian oil, giving them an extra 150 million a day in revenue. And [14:47] those funds are going not just to kill Ukrainians, but Russia's using its profits to support Iran with [14:53] drones and intelligence to kill our troops. So look, to summarize, I find it hard to believe that we are [15:02] continuing to relieve sanctions pressure on Russia and Iran. I was encouraged when last week you said [15:10] that the Department would not extend the sanctions relief for Russia, yet the next day that was [15:16] reversed. Can you give me any brief idea why it's a good idea to relieve sanctions on Iranian and Russian [15:24] oil? Good. With pleasure, Senator. The $14 billion is a myth and unfortunately a DNC talking point that I've [15:30] been subjected to many times. If anyone would like to show me where that $14 billion comes from. [15:37] I look forward to an exchange of details on that, Mr. Secretary. We can exchange it in a [15:41] very public forum. I'm not the DNC, I'm the Senator from Delaware. Well, I, on every talk show, [15:47] and every Senator seems to have that $14 billion. Do you disagree that Iran has received significant [15:52] additional revenue from their sales of oil because of sanctions relief? I couldn't disagree more. [15:56] Okay. Do you disagree that Russia has received significant additional revenue from the sanctions [16:02] relief? I couldn't disagree more. Okay. Why did you relieve the sanctions against [16:07] Russian and Iranian oil? Think of it this way, sir. There's the Strait of Hormuz. [16:13] Familiar with it. There is oil to the left and to the right. There is to the right. The Treasury was able [16:21] to, just as you are concerned about gasoline prices for the American consumer and for our Asian allies, [16:29] as are we, Treasury was able to create more than 250 million barrels on the water. And the way to [16:37] think about this is, as they came in today, the oil prices are at $100. If we had not done that sanctions [16:44] really, they might've been at 150, because the world became very well supplied. So if Russia was getting, [16:52] selling their oil at a 20% discount, I can tell you that 100% of 100 is less than 80% of 150, [17:01] and the American consumer has been better off. Well, we also- Look, the folks in Delaware are buying $4 a [17:06] gallon gas today. I don't see that we've seen a significant reduction in the price of the pump or the [17:11] price on the world markets, but I have two more questions I want to get to. And I look forward to [17:16] disputing with you the details. I believe that Russia and Iran have benefited from the release of [17:21] sanctions. Then you had RFK Jr. He previously testified in the House. Now he was before the United [17:28] States Senate. And Senator Hassan points out something pretty basic, the price of beef. And why [17:35] does the Trump regime continue to lie and claim that prices are going down when the prices are clearly [17:40] going up? Why RFK Jr., play this clip? ...reach historic highs under President Trump. [17:45] Do these high grocery prices make it easier or harder for families to eat fresh, healthy foods? [17:50] I would say that beef has dropped by 1% in the last quarter. [17:55] I know, look, beef prices are up 20%. Banana prices are up nearly 7% since President Trump took office. [18:02] Cheese prices are up 6%. So again, when groceries get more expensive, easier or harder for families to [18:08] afford the very healthy foods that you want them to eat. Well, there's only, you can eat beef, you [18:14] can eat poultry, you can eat fish. And beef is, the price of beef is dictated by the size of the herd, [18:21] the herd dropped. If it's, look, you're not answering, but obviously, if the food is more expensive... [18:26] You're blaming President Trump for something that he didn't do. Well, let's take a look at this image. [18:30] Did you post this image in 2024 about grocery prices being too high? I don't recall. [18:37] Well, you did post it. That's your, that's your handle up there. And it's a, and I agree that [18:43] grocery prices were too high in 2024. But under President Trump, they have skyrocketed even [18:48] further. So now let's go to an updated version of this post. Will you post this? The most expensive [18:58] vehicle? Oh, because President Trump actually brought down grocery costs for most of his term. [19:04] I think there's been a raise recently in the price of everything. Look, families are facing historic [19:12] prices at the register. You don't need to be a Secretary of Health and Human Services to know that. [19:18] You don't need to be a United States Senator to know that. The people in New Hampshire, the people [19:22] across this country know that because they go to grocery stores today. And the fact that you don't, [19:27] you either don't know it or you don't want to admit it just shows how out of touch you and the [19:32] Trump administration are. Now let's go to another issue. Then RFK Jr. was just making like weird [19:37] noises. And I'll just show this to you in a second. Let's play it. You have done among the many that you [19:42] described in your testimony. In that context, in your testimony, you identified nutrition as a bedrock of [19:50] health and one of the primary levers for treating and preventing chronic disease. More from Senator [19:57] Hassan's cross-examination of RFK Jr. right here. Let's play it. [20:01] Yeah. Here's the thing. When you were running to get the Maha vote, you told people you would [20:08] stand up to chemical companies. You would take carcinogens out of our out of our agricultural [20:15] system. You said that you would get these chemicals out of foods. That's what you said you would do to [20:21] make America healthy again. And yet when push comes to shove and a big corporation, I mean, [20:26] talk about the status quo here. It's Bear Monsanto or something like that. It's the big company. [20:31] And when the president of the United States, rather than trying to work to find alternatives, [20:36] rather than try to get him to limit that executive order, you just stood down instead of standing up. [20:41] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You asked what President Trump has done. He's given me [20:44] 200 million dollars to help get America off of glyphosate. Well, I would look forward to finding out [20:50] who is doing the research and the science. And are you working and are you working with the EPA? [20:55] They created this problem. You guys helped create this problem over the past 30 years. [20:59] And you just told the big corporation that they don't even have liability for it anymore. [21:04] He is dealing with a national security vulnerability where the Chinese could shut off [21:08] our food supply in a single day. That's a good situation. [21:12] Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, I'm going to yield my time, but I'm just going to say this. [21:17] You have now been changing your testimony over time about this. [21:20] I have not changed my testimony. [21:22] You said earlier you were displeased with this. You tried to talk the president out of it. [21:26] I did. [21:26] And now you're just fully supportive of a huge corporation having no liability. [21:31] Thank you. [21:33] I sued that corporation and got 11 billion dollars from him, and it put him on the edge of bankruptcy. [21:38] Right. And now you're just folding right in front of him. Thank you. [21:40] Senator Tuberville. [21:42] Bernie Sanders started cross-examining RFK Jr. Let's play it. [21:45] So my question is a simple one. Do you still believe that one of the central [21:49] tenets of the germ theory that vaccines sharply reduce infant mortality is quote-unquote simply [21:57] untrue? [21:58] Well, what I was saying in that book, first of all, the study you cited is a modeling study. [22:04] It's a what? Sorry? [22:05] A modeling study. [22:07] CDC has actually done a real study that answers that question. [22:11] It's called Geyer, G-U-Y-E-R 20 or 2000. [22:16] And it says that the 80 percent mortality in chronic disease that took place in [22:23] mortality from chronic disease that took place in the 20th century, that almost none of it [22:30] was attributable to vaccination. It was attributable to hygiene, to sewer plants, [22:37] better water supplies, to engineering that got oranges. [22:41] Just a sec, I have to interrupt you because I have other questions. [22:44] You're entitled to your view. [22:45] As of my view, that's CDC's view. [22:49] Well, you're entitled to CDC's view, but according to the World Health Organization and scientists all over [22:56] the world, vaccine have played, vaccines have played an enormous role in saving lives. [23:02] I don't contest that. I'm just saying, if you want to talk about what, [23:06] why disease mortalities disappeared in the 20th century, it was not vaccines. [23:12] Well, you are in a minority. [23:13] Well, I'm just talking about that. [23:14] All right, I got other questions. One second. [23:17] A very powerful moment was when Senator Alsa Brooks cross-examined RFK. Let's play this clip. [23:23] My next question. Now, you've had some trouble with the truth. [23:25] I've seen it myself during your appearances before Congress. [23:29] And as we all saw clearly during your exchange last week with Congresswoman Sewell, [23:34] can you admit today that you said every black kid can get reparented on a wellness farm? [23:41] Can you admit that you said that? [23:43] Can get reparented on a wellness farm? [23:45] Well, let me read exactly what you said. [23:47] You said every black kid is now just standard. [23:50] Put on Adderall, on SSRIs, benzos, which are known to induce violence. [23:55] And those kids are going to have a chance to go somewhere and get reparented, [24:00] to live in a community where there'll be no cell phones, no screens. [24:04] You know, you claimed, in fact, you went on to say, actually, the whole transcript was even worse. [24:08] You said that if you could, you would send, quote, [24:12] every black kid, again, your words, not mine, to go live on farms and work. [24:17] Is that your opinion? [24:17] I would have to hear that recording because I have no memory of saying anything like that. [24:23] Yeah, well, I actually have the recording that I can give to you. [24:26] But it is absolutely what you said. [24:29] And if you want me to play it, I can play it. [24:31] If you ask me what my opinion is, I do not believe that every black kid should be reparented [24:39] on a wellness farm or whatever. [24:41] And I have never believed that. [24:42] Well, you said it, sir. [24:44] I have the video here. [24:44] I'm telling you, I don't believe it. [24:46] That's not my vision for our country. [24:49] Well, I'm glad because it was ignorant to say it was dangerous and it was irresponsible. [24:53] Well, if I said it, I apologize, but I'd have to see the transcript. [24:59] Senator Markey. [25:03] Then you had Senator Patty Murray cross-examine Chris Wright, Energy Secretary. [25:08] Let me share this with you. [25:09] Getting hammered by skyrocketing energy costs because of this administration's policy. [25:14] The average price of gasoline right now is $4.04. [25:17] It's higher than that where I live. [25:20] That is the highest it's been in four years. [25:22] Electricity costs are up 6.9% over the last year. [25:26] That is more than double the inflation rate. [25:28] And your budget seeks to straight up eliminate programs that really help people save money. [25:34] I mentioned it before, the weatherization assistance state energy programs. [25:38] Meanwhile, you're asking to spend $7.4 billion on nuclear weapons. [25:44] You recently said that gas prices may not go below $3 a gallon until sometime next year. [25:49] President Trump said you're totally wrong. [25:51] Do you stand by your comment that prices may not go down until next year? [25:57] Prices have moved down over the last nine or 10 days. [26:00] We do everything we can every day to drive down the price of gasoline. [26:03] They were below $3 a gallon before engagement in solving a 47-year-old problem. [26:09] And in the middle of fixing a sticky problem in the center of energy production in the Middle East, [26:15] gasoline prices today are still a dollar lower than they were in the middle of the Biden administration, [26:20] where they weren't fixing any sticky problems. [26:23] Do we want to see it go lower? [26:24] Absolutely. [26:24] Do we work every day to get them lower? [26:26] Absolutely. [26:27] We're a year and a half into the Trump administration. [26:29] So let me just ask you, [26:30] will you guarantee that gas will go back to $3 again before the end of the year? [26:36] No one can offer guarantees about the future. [26:38] But of course, everything we're doing to grow the supply of energy and [26:42] end the Biden administration's war on hydrocarbons, the Biden administration [26:46] massively drove up energy prices. [26:48] And you're right. [26:49] It's taken us some effort to bring them back down. [26:51] But they're going now we depend on oil. [26:52] And here we are. [26:54] And we had Senator Hassan cross-examining RFK Jr. [26:58] about how difficult it is for people to afford groceries. [27:02] Let's play it. [27:03] Look, I agree with you that all Americans should have access to healthy food. [27:08] However, President Trump has made it far harder for families [27:11] to afford their groceries. [27:13] Last year, the typical family paid hundreds of dollars more than they did the previous year [27:18] on groceries such as fresh vegetables, fresh fruit, meat, coffee and dairy. [27:23] And while a few items such as eggs have gotten cheaper this year, [27:27] other staples like beef continue to reach historic highs under President Trump. [27:31] Do these high grocery prices make it easier or harder for families to eat fresh, healthy foods? [27:37] I would say that beef has dropped by 1% in the last quarter. [27:42] I know. [27:42] Look, beef prices are up 20%. [27:45] Banana prices are up nearly 7% since President Trump took office. [27:49] Cheese prices are up 6%. [27:50] So again, when groceries get more expensive, [27:53] easier or harder for families to afford the very healthy foods that you want them to eat. [27:57] Well, there's only, you can eat beef, you can eat poultry, you can eat fish. [28:02] And beef is, the price of beef is dictated by the size of the herd, the herd dropped. [28:09] Look, you're not answering, but obviously, if the food is more expensive. [28:12] You're blaming President Trump for something that he didn't do. [28:14] Well, let's take a look at this image. [28:16] Did you post this image in 2024 about grocery prices being too high? [28:21] I don't recall. [28:23] Well, you did post it, that's your handle up there. [28:27] And I agree that grocery prices were too high in 2024. [28:32] But under President Trump, they have skyrocketed even further. [28:35] So now, let's go to an updated version of this post. [28:41] Will you post this, the most expensive vehicle? [28:45] No, because President Trump actually brought down grocery costs for most of his term. [28:50] I think there's been a raise recently in the price of everything. [28:55] Look, families are facing historic prices at the register. [29:00] You don't need to be a Secretary of Health and Human Services to know that. [29:04] You don't need to be a United States Senator to know that. [29:06] The people in New Hampshire, the people across this country, [29:09] know that because they go to grocery stores today. [29:12] And the fact that you don't, you either don't know it, [29:15] or you don't want to admit it, just shows how out of touch [29:18] you and the Trump administration are. [29:20] Now, let's- [29:20] Here you had Tina Smith's, Senator Tina Smith's cross-examination of RFK Jr. [29:25] Let's play this clip right here. [29:26] Title 10 is a highly successful, comprehensive strategy [29:30] to provide birth control and preventative care to low-income women. [29:33] And we know that every dollar that's invested in Title 10, [29:37] Mr. Chair, saves somewhere between $3 and $7 in Medicaid costs, [29:41] preventing unintended pregnancies. [29:43] So, Secretary Kennedy, can you explain why you were recommending zeroing out funding for Title 10, [29:50] which would eliminate screenings for cervical cancer, [29:54] and would almost certainly result in higher unintended pregnancies? [29:59] Can I respond to some of your earlier statements? [30:02] Please. [30:03] First of all, there are no cuts in Medicaid. [30:06] I keep saying this. [30:08] Here's what the CBO said, fiscal year 2025, $668 billion. [30:15] Fiscal year 2036, 981 billion. [30:19] That's not a cut. [30:20] Secretary Kennedy, a trillion dollars in cuts, according to the CBO, [30:24] 7 million people losing their health insurance because of the Trump administration actions. [30:30] That's not debatable. [30:31] There's nobody who is legally enrolled in Medicaid who is losing coverage. [30:37] That is just not true. [30:37] Nobody. [30:38] That is just not true. [30:39] It is so. [30:39] It's true. [30:41] How can this get cut? [30:42] How else would you like to respond to my questions about why the administration is cutting preventative care? [30:47] We're putting a lot of it is being returned to the states. [30:51] We're doing a $667 billion block grant to the states for mental health. [30:59] My counties are asking why the cost shift to their taxpayers is happening at the same time [31:05] It's the federal taxpayers. [31:06] They're going out of business, Secretary Kennedy. [31:09] The states administer the programs better than we do. [31:12] So we're giving the same money to the states to administer the program. [31:17] That is not the way it is working. [31:19] Thank you, Mr. Chair. [31:20] Thank you, Senator. [31:21] More from Senator Hassan, cross-examining RFK Jr. [31:24] Let's play this clip. [31:25] Look, I have noticed that while HHS has done relatively little promotion of the [31:32] life-saving measles vaccine that we were all just discussing, you have been doing a lot of [31:36] your own self-promotion using official government channels and resources. [31:42] HHS produced a video of you and Kid Rock exercising and drinking milk in a hot tub, [31:48] I think at his pretend White House. [31:50] Another official video features a dramatic sequence of you as a shirtless WWE fighter. [31:57] You also posted a video on government accounts that depicts you as a video game hero. [32:02] And you've even posted multiple photos of your younger self over time, your face, to say that you [32:10] alone are the leader taking on big pharma in this administration. [32:15] Does the president know about this self-promotion campaign that you're carrying out with the [32:19] official HHS resources? [32:20] I didn't know about a number of those videos. [32:26] They've all come out like in the last six weeks, a couple of months. [32:30] I just happen to not see them. [32:31] So you don't know how your own team is managing official US resources and promoting you in the [32:40] process. [32:42] So the president hasn't authorized you to use HHS resources for these vanity projects? [32:46] You know, I was asked the other day by one of the senators about the Kid Rock video, [32:52] how much it cost the US government. [32:54] And I asked my team how much it cost and they said zero. [32:57] So interesting. [33:00] I mean, you were at Kid Rock's home. [33:03] Did the president authorize you to use official HHS resources for these vanity projects? [33:08] That's my question. [33:09] Have you discussed them with the president? [33:10] Did he authorize the use of them? [33:12] I've never discussed it with the president. [33:14] All right. [33:15] So as far as you know, he hasn't authorized it. [33:17] Now, let me move. [33:18] And I'll show you this one just to see that it was somewhat bipartisan. [33:21] You had the chair of the Senate Health and Education Committee, Senator Cassidy, [33:30] calling out RFK Jr. in real time about him just making up studies. [33:35] He just made up a bunch of fake studies. [33:37] Play this clip for you right here. [33:39] CDC has actually done a real study that answers that question. [33:43] It's called Geyer, G-U-Y-E-R 20 or 2000. [33:48] And it says that the 80% mortality in chronic disease that took place in the 20th century, [34:00] that almost none of it was attributable to vaccination. [34:03] It was attributable to hygiene, to sewer plants, [34:09] the better water supplies, to engineering that got oranges. [34:13] I have to interrupt. [34:14] What was the CDC paper you said attributed improvements in longevity [34:20] to the sewer treatment, for example, not vaccines? [34:24] I'm looking for that on chat GPT, and it says it doesn't exist. [34:27] So what is that? [34:27] It's called Geyer. [34:29] The lead author is Geyer, G-U-Y-E-R. [34:32] There's another one that came out in 1977. [34:36] That was a required rating in virtually every medical school that says the same thing. [34:41] Who's the author of that one? [34:42] That one was called McKinley and McKinley. [34:45] McKinley and McKinley. [34:47] That one is not CDC, according to the CDC. [34:50] No, that's not. [34:50] The Geyer is CDC. [34:52] And Johns Hopkins. [34:54] Senator Haskell. [34:55] Yes, and just speaking as a doctor, just to close the conversation, thank you for giving [34:59] Geyer's name. [35:01] I've looked up the article. [35:03] The quote is, thus, vaccination does not account for the impressive declines in mortality seen in [35:08] the first half of last century. [35:10] The reductions in vaccine-preventable diseases, however, are impressive, condensed. [35:15] In the early 1920s, there are about 500, about a half a million annual cases before the introduction [35:22] of vaccine, of the measles vaccine in the 60s. [35:25] Because of vaccines, these deaths have been virtually eliminated. [35:29] So that's the complete context. [35:30] I was talking about mortality, Senator. [35:32] That's what they're saying. [35:33] The deaths have been virtually eliminated. [35:36] Okay. [35:36] Senator, speaking as a physician, I will say we looked up, I looked up the McKinley articles. [35:42] There was 3.5 million cases of measles per year before the vaccine came along and about 550 deaths. [35:49] And then the vaccine took those to less than 100 and like zero deaths. [35:56] So the efficacy of the McKinley paper was written before, for events before 1950, [36:02] which is before the vaccine came out. [36:06] But then the vaccine came out and that's when deaths, when cases went from 3.5 million down to [36:11] near zero and deaths went to zero from 550 a year. [36:15] So a tremendous impact of the vaccination. [36:17] Senator, also Brooks. [36:19] There you have it, folks. [36:20] Let me know what you think. [36:21] Hit subscribe. [36:22] Let's get to 7 million subscribers. [36:23] Thanks for watching. [36:24] Want to stay plugged in? [36:26] Become a subscriber to our sub stack at MidasPlus.com. [36:29] You'll get daily recaps from Ron Filipkowski, [36:31] add free episodes of our podcast and more exclusive content only available at MidasPlus.com.