TMZ is turning heads on Capitol Hill — The Assignment

[0:00] Hey there, everybody. It's Audie. This is The Assignment. And these days, politics, you know, [0:07] it feels unserious until it becomes deadly serious. I'm here at the White House Correspondents [0:16] Dinner just a few minutes ago at the start of the program, after the colors, after the [0:22] Pledge of Allegiance, we were all eating salads, listening to the preliminary speeches, [0:28] when all of a sudden, from the back of the room, people are getting up from their tables and [0:34] running. Now, I didn't record video, but this audio is from table 109 of the White House [0:40] Correspondents Dinner. And next to me, like, crouched down in a tux with Shane McMahon, [0:46] former wrestler of WWE family fame, which is why Washington can be so surreal. Like, [0:54] this weekend in general can be so surreal, where the line blurs between serious politics [1:00] and unserious pop culture. So I was not at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Neither [1:06] were my colleagues. I was actually at the Substack Party, where there were a lot of new media. [1:12] I want to introduce you to Jacob Wasserman. He's co-managing editor of TMZ DC. Yes, that TMZ, [1:19] the Hollywood tabloid. It feels a little surreal, right? I mean, here, here, there's the president [1:25] about to be an attempted assassination. And the party kind of goes on. And TMZ has been in [1:32] Washington officially here for less than a month, making those blurred lines even more blurry. And [1:39] Jacob, he's going through a bit of a culture shock. So as we were talking, we actually moved on [1:44] pretty quickly from last weekend's events, you know, kind of like Washington itself. But we did swap [1:50] notes. He's in the middle of a crash course about power and the political press. And then I asked him [1:56] what I need to know, as the assignment is about to evolve into something new. So stay with us. [2:03] Jacob, I'm glad you're here. Because not just because your mom listens, though, that's amazing. [2:13] But because I had always build the assignment as a show that talks about pop culture and politics, [2:20] but from the political side is like, I'm a person who's like, I look at a thing that's happening [2:25] out in the world. And then I say to myself, okay, what is the politics of this? What is the thing [2:31] that seems to be driving the sentiment? I'm actually now moving the show into covering more [2:37] pop culture. So I was like, it's kind of interesting to talk to Jacob, who's doing the opposite. [2:45] You're coming to the dark side. What are we doing? Why are we trading places? [2:52] Yeah, I didn't really think of it like that. That's a good point. I mean, in some ways, though, [2:58] it's not that you're, it's kind of the same. Like, you're still going, yeah, [3:03] there isn't so many people have been asking me, like, how are you approaching this like differently [3:09] than your traditional news coverage? It's like, there is no difference. It's the exact same. We're [3:15] dealing with a bunch of characters. It's all about making relationships and trying to build trust with [3:21] people. And in terms of our reporting, it's the same news gathering process. So different subjects, [3:28] but same process. People love you guys. Like, it's really over the top. Like, the journalists are [3:36] like, welcome, the lawmakers are like, Hi, local teens, like, everybody is really into it. I'll give [3:43] you my theory about what's behind that. Then you give me yours. Okay, because I used to cover Congress. [3:47] So I've walked the same little hallways and tunnels that you've done. I think that for a time, we all [3:54] thought with Trump that we had reached the end of scandal. There was no way you could shame a [4:02] lawmaker anymore, because you couldn't shame a presidential candidate, you know, when the like, [4:09] grab them by the X video came out, and the ex wives or whatever it is, there was a sense that like, [4:15] the average person doesn't care about this anymore. And the average lawmaker thinks they can always [4:21] write it out. So I have to admit, I think one of the reasons why we're all stoked that you're here [4:28] is because it's like, well, wait a second, is the system not broken the way we thought? Like, [4:34] are people out there mad enough that TMZ can unearth things and talk about things that we had just given [4:43] up on talking about? Because it just really didn't seem to click as a problem. [4:48] Yeah. And, you know, maybe it opens the door for other journalists to participate, [4:54] maybe when TMZ opens it. Um, yeah, I totally get what you mean. I mean, the press corps has been [5:01] amazing so far. When we're roaming the halls, it feels like, you know, when I was like in high school, [5:08] and I would see a freshman lost, and I was a senior, I'd be like, you know, go that way. [5:13] And that's what I'm getting a lot of people. And beyond that, it's like, people are DMing me [5:17] recommendations on where to eat around town. And, uh, hey, you know, this, I don't know if you saw [5:23] this tweet, but this might be something that you want to look into. That's what I mean, right? [5:27] Yeah. That's the kind of thing where you send that tweet to your editor and they're like, uh, yeah, [5:31] okay, great. You have to file on this bill. And so you don't send it, you don't really do anything [5:38] with it. And sometimes if you do do something with it, the audience is like, oh, that's partisan, [5:42] that you're pointing this out. Like you guys somehow have a freedom. I think that that's my [5:47] perception. Yeah. Well, I mean, our, our goal is that would definitely to be nonpartisan. I mean, [5:54] we are, we are working with both sides of the aisle. Yeah. Well, in fairness, Harvey's, [5:58] I'll just mention Harvey's during the shutdown with the airports, he said, quote, we're sick of the way [6:04] they are patronizing us talking about lawmakers. And he was talking about his movement out with their [6:10] asses. Oh, WTA. Um, it's, it's, it is nonpartisan, but it also has a point of view and the point of [6:18] view actually reflects something in the political culture with voters, which is like they're anti [6:23] incumbents. You know, there's like everywhere you go, it's throw the bums out. Um, but I don't know, [6:30] yeah, who they want in. I've been meeting with everyone on both sides of the aisle and people, [6:34] again, have been reaching out to us, looking to meet, get coffee, have a better understanding of [6:39] who I am and my colleagues are. And, uh, you know, we're trying to build our relationships [6:45] based off being fair. Oh, with that, we also do invoke a point of view. And I think maybe when you [6:52] see some of the walk and talk conversations that we have with people, we don't have them maybe in a [6:59] conventional way, but maybe the same type of way that you would have with someone at a bar or [7:03] some of that town hall meeting where, yeah, where we're talking about the issues, but, uh, we like [7:09] to push back and play kind of, uh, contrarian. And I think through that you get a better conversation [7:16] and a better understanding of who these people are and maybe where they're coming from. [7:21] One example of that, which I had mixed feelings about, so I want to talk to you about it, [7:25] is when you were in the Pentagon briefing and you were asking, uh, Pete Hegseth, the defense [7:31] secretary, was it you or was it your code? Yeah, it was both of us. It was both of you. [7:36] And one of the questions you were asking was essentially, um, how does it feel to make the [7:41] call right to make the call of a missile strike? And when you give these orders to carry out this [7:46] extreme level of violence, what's going through your mind and your body? Do you have like an adrenaline [7:53] rush? Are you scared? Do you feel like you're on a power trip? Just walk us through and paint us a [7:58] picture of what it feels like mentally and physically. It's a very TMZ question. Um, [8:03] my only thought process is to ensure that our war fighters have everything they need to be [8:08] successful, defeat and destroy the enemy, and they come home. But then when I look at the headline on [8:13] TMZ, it says, do you get off on dropping bombs? As though that was the question that was asked, [8:18] which he would not have answered. So like, yeah, I do see you guys still having to play the same game [8:25] we all have to play where you have people of high status who expect to be treated a certain way. [8:32] I think in terms of the headline, you know, we sometimes will write headlines in a colloquial [8:38] style too. This is very colloquial. Yes. [8:42] As part of our get off on dropping bombs is extremely colloquial, but I'm pointing it out. [8:49] Because it's like, it's a good example of the reality of coverage versus the reality of the market [8:54] and the media approach you're actually from. I think part of the reason why we're here and maybe [9:00] part of our purpose is we want to take a step back. I think talking about the issues, of course, [9:07] is essential. And the media that exists on the Hill does an incredible job. I mean, really digging [9:13] in to the news of the day and providing their audience with a well-informed details of what's [9:20] going on on various issues. I think a lot of, we live in a country where so many people are [9:26] politically disengaged and have no idea what's going on and maybe can hardly wrap the idea, [9:33] their head around the idea that we're in a war with Iran. So I think what we're trying to show is [9:39] who are these people? We want to pull back a curtain a little bit. And in terms of that question, [9:45] the question was about, you know, here you have this immense responsibility. You have this immense [9:50] level of power. How do you feel about it? How do you feel? You talk a lot about bombing people, [9:56] you know? I mean, that's like as serious as it gets. Who is this person that's making this call? [10:02] How do they experience it? And I mean, you kind of sidestep the question, but I think- [10:08] Yeah, welcome to Washington. Yeah, no, understood. But when we see people out on the Hill, [10:13] I think we're coming with a similar approach. We want to understand who these people are. [10:18] You've had to answer the question multiple times about whether or not TMZ pays for tips. [10:25] Because the public understanding of this is that TMZ will pay people for what they call assets. So [10:31] video maybe that somebody has taken. Here in Washington, there are some pretty serious legal [10:39] sort of barriers to doing things like that. How do you think about that process in this environment? [10:45] Where taking a video and selling that video like has different implications? [10:51] Yeah. [10:52] That someone's standing outside of LAX, do you know what I mean? Or standing outside a nightclub. [10:56] Sure. Well, yeah, to answer the question, yeah, TMZ does not pay for tips in terms of information. [11:03] Like that is something that is 100% false that I think is peddled sometimes to just discredit us. [11:11] In terms of what we do pay for, we do pay for photos and we pay for videos. But the same way that [11:17] other news outlets do too. I mean, for example, if you are a TV news network and you want to use a [11:24] Getty photo or not even TV, any news network. Yeah. [11:27] I mean, that costs money if you use a Getty photo. So if someone has a photo and we want to buy it, [11:34] I don't see the difference between what's wrong there. Of course, we have our lines and there are [11:40] plenty of things that we would never publish that some people might think we would. I'm learning here [11:46] in DC. Like what? [11:48] Things that are just far too like salacious and sensitive. [11:51] Like what? [11:55] Things that are, I don't have like a specific example that I necessarily want to share. [12:01] Affairs or like, yeah, I'm trying to understand what's too salacious in this day and age. [12:07] Everything we do is a judgment call. And it's not something that I just make independently. [12:12] You know, we have an incredible team in Los Angeles full of veteran news producers, [12:17] Harvey Levin, Charles. These are people who have been working in news for decades. [12:21] So we all work in a cohesive way. And whenever we deal with a story that is sensitive, [12:29] we review it all together. So it's a case by case basis. And that's why when you were asking, [12:34] you know, what specifically? It's like, there's a lot of different things that come across our desk. [12:41] And ultimately, it's like, we just have to make a judgment call. And sometimes we give it the green [12:46] light. And sometimes we say, no, you know, it's not for us. [12:49] I don't mean to henpeck you. I think the reason why I'm asking this is like when I was your age, [12:53] I remember I was covering John Edwards campaign in North Carolina and I was standing in a political [13:00] scrum and someone asked him whether he was having an affair. And he just looked dead at the whole [13:06] group and said, that's tabloid trash. And everyone just kind of let it go. It was like, OK, [13:12] that's not our job. That's the job of this other, you know, in the end, it was the National Enquirer [13:18] and they were correct. But I think like, maybe I'm poking at you a little because I'm like, wait, [13:24] are you guys going to go after the stuff that the lawmakers are dismissive of? Tell us not to ask [13:29] about, try and judge us for being curious about like, do you guys not have the baggage we have [13:36] about some of these questions? And do you have knowledge we have, we don't have about how to [13:41] cover a story like that? Well, I don't think we're afraid to ask the big questions. There is [13:50] like an elephant in a room. We're not afraid to ask it. I mean, we asked RFK the other day what [13:56] his fascination was with roadkill, which I mean, that was a pretty direct question. Yeah. And we would [14:03] like to know. Yeah. So it's like, so I don't know if like maybe other outlets would be as comfortable [14:11] asking that. And that clip got a lot of attention, you know, because again, people are curious. [14:16] So in that regard, no, I don't, we're not scared or not scared, but we're not, uh, yeah, not timid [14:23] to ask a question that people are burning or that's people want to know. Okay. After the break, [14:29] Jacob is going to get to ask me his burning questions about DC's, you know, quirks. What do you want to know? [14:41] Since you've had a couple, um, weeks now, you've been wandering around, [14:45] you've been posting about cupcakes. You've been asking lawmakers questions. [14:49] You're at the grinder party. What have you wanted to ask of other reporters or what have you wanted? [14:56] That's a good question. That's a good question. Why does Twitter hold so much social currency here? [15:06] I understand that news funnels on Twitter, but I think it's a little disturbing just how much value [15:14] place on what you tweet. And again, hand up, I'm tweeting now. You are tweeting now. [15:21] Because, but, but, but because I've quickly learned that it's almost like you have to, [15:27] in order to gain credibility in a lot of people's eyes. You just mentioned a cupcake tweet for those [15:34] like unfamiliar. I, as a joke, I did not really tweet at all before I came to DC two weeks ago. [15:42] Yes. And it was clear to me that, yeah, people really value what you tweet. So as a joke, [15:51] I guess a week or so ago, I went to a popular bagel place called Call Your Mother. And it was [15:56] clearly, I had never heard of it before, but the line was very long. And the whole thing I've gathered [16:02] about Twitter is it's about who can say the wittiest remark wins. So I just tweeted, uh, you know, [16:11] hey, don't, don't know if you guys have ever heard of this place called Call Your Mother, [16:15] but they make a great, you know, bagel sandwich. And it was like, people were losing their mind. [16:22] It got over a million views. It was trending. And I'm like, I thought this was clearly a joke, [16:29] but again, everyone thought they were like TMZ doesn't know about our favorite place. [16:33] I'm like, and then, and then again, at the same time, I have people who I've met now on the hill [16:40] texting me saying, great tweet, man. That was hilarious. And then, and I'm at the White House [16:45] Correspondents Center parties this weekend. And people are coming up to me like, oh, the bagel guy. [16:50] That was so funny. Oh my, I can't believe people were falling for that. [16:53] Let me answer your question. First of all, I'm glad you're saying this out loud, [16:57] because I think people are under the impression that after Elon Musk took over [17:01] Twitter, there was a mass exodus. There was a mass exodus, but I still see plenty of journalists on it [17:07] and very much doing the thing you said. I also like you saying out loud something a lot of us [17:12] know as journalists that is frustrating, which is that the people you're dealing with, your sources [17:18] sort of think you're not a real person that they need to deal with, unless you're using this [17:24] particular microphone, the microphone that is Twitter. And so even if that's like not your MO, [17:30] as you said, people, they, they're following you. They want to know what you've been saying. It's [17:35] there's, they're judging who you are in the way somebody would be looking at a resume. I mean, [17:40] it's actually pretty intense. The one thing I'll say for it that is its grip on Washington is that [17:49] the ecosystem, the media ecosystem of Washington is a thousand little newsrooms and a thousand [17:55] little legislative offices. It's like carpenter ants. I mean, it's like you are in a ant colony. [18:02] And something Twitter did was all of a sudden it put us all in the same space at the same time. [18:07] Because when I first started on it, it was literally like, hey, who's going to drink at so and so? [18:14] And like three people would reply, right? Just like everyone on Twitter. And then somehow it became [18:20] an actual political platform to the point now where we have our first Twitter president, right? [18:26] Like we have someone who fundamentally understood the platform so well that like, that's how he's [18:32] conducting foreign policy. Like, you know, the, the propaganda, all of that stuff that happens [18:39] between Trump and Iran or whatever, it's like still happening on Twitter or Twitter-like [18:44] apps. But I think part of it is it's a weird kind of social glue so that someone who has no [18:53] opportunity to meet you or get that contact with you can. And they have an excuse to talk to you [19:02] once they meet you. Bagel guy, let's talk, right? Like it is this weird, it's, it is the literal water [19:09] cooler. I think that's a really good way of putting it. And I, and I, but I'm glad you're [19:15] freaked out by it. I'm glad that you're just like people. That was, yeah. If you had, you asked me [19:21] what one of my biggest questions was this, it's like, that's it. And at the same time, I feel like [19:27] I've met people in passing who have told me that part of their job on the hill is to like monitor [19:33] social media. And I'm like, and I'm not calling for their job, but I'm like, everyone is monitoring [19:41] social media. If there is an article that comes out by any outlet, it seems like it's going directly [19:47] in people's brains and they are processing it like very quickly. Why do you, we need a job that's [19:53] designated to monitoring social when that's all people are doing? Well, I think it's because they're [19:59] so worried about scandal. I mean, they're worried about ending up on TMZ. They're worried about, [20:06] and this is not this TMZ, this version, like they're basically the attitude is it's one thing [20:11] to be in Hill publications or the Washington post is covering you. But if your scandal crosses over [20:18] somehow over this invisible fence to the broader culture, you're in a full blown crisis. And I think [20:26] that they are constantly worried about scandal and crisis briefly cancellation, but I think that's [20:32] over. And they're constantly in a state of like reputation management that, yeah, feels like doesn't [20:41] make any sense in this day and age, but is meaningful to them. Like their reputation is their public [20:47] currency. But in the past 10 years, right, we've seen how people are above scandals and how [20:58] yeah, exactly. People are above canceling. And maybe sometimes you can get a bad story written [21:04] about you, but you can parlay it into some momentum that can be beneficial to you. So why do you think [21:11] what we've, given what we've learned in the past decade, why do you think there's so many people who [21:17] work in communications on Capitol Hill that are so risk adverse? In my mind, maybe they should be [21:23] leaning into it a little bit. Listen, you've learned a lot in two weeks, okay? [21:27] A hundred percent. But it's like, I wish maybe we lived in a world where people voted for different [21:33] politicians and candidates based off policies and their ideas and their experience. But I think [21:40] a lot of people are just voting on who can hang, who do you like, you know? Oh, they seem cool. [21:47] And it's like, if you know that, and it's clearly a factor in elections, why not just chop it up with [21:55] TMZ for a few minutes on the Hill? And you know what? A lot of people already are. And we don't [22:00] have to go up to people and say, Hey, can I talk to you for a second? We're two weeks in now. And we [22:05] have people on both sides of the aisle spotting us and saying, Hey, I want to talk about this. [22:11] Let's talk about this. Talk to my comms person. Or do you let's, I want to talk about X, Y, and Z [22:16] because they see it as an asset. And we're going to talk about all different types of things. [22:21] We talk about pop culture. We talk about your personal life. And again, maybe things about your [22:27] DC life and what comes with that, pulling back the current a bit. And then also with serious issues too. [22:35] If I can hit on all three of those and like a two minute conversation or so I'd see that as a great, [22:41] great conversation for me. And I think it's good for them too. [22:44] So it's a unique opportunity and one that I think is a good one for them. [22:51] So now hearing you, I'm like, what advice do you have for me? Because those are also my goals, [22:56] but I usually don't do them in two minutes. So now that I'm going to be covering more pop culture, [23:02] like what, what do you think I should know? [23:04] In terms of talking to celebrities, I think now it's just politics has become pop culture. [23:10] And maybe that's why you feel like this shift too. And I think with that, celebrities are now more [23:17] politically engaged than they've ever been. And they actually want to talk about issues. [23:21] Oh, they do. I think of them as being like, they don't want to talk about that. Like they'll, [23:26] they'll be promoting a movie and they'll be like, they don't want to be asked political issues. [23:31] But you're saying there's, what should I be doing differently? [23:35] It's tough for me to say what you should be doing differently, [23:38] but rather why I think you're a perfect fit. It's like every day, there is some, [23:44] there's some intersection between pop culture and politics that is now like at the forefront of news. [23:51] Nicki Minaj is at the UN. [23:53] I mean, Pete Hegseth is riding helicopters with Kid Rock. [23:59] With Kid Rock. [24:00] It's like, so the celebrity is now serving in my view as just like a catalyst for a much deeper [24:07] conversation. One that you need to have a good understanding of social issues and politics to [24:14] have. So hence why I think you would be terrific. And it's not that much of an evolution. [24:21] Oh my God, I'm sending you a check. Can you come and write the creative brief for the show? [24:26] I really could use the help. No, now I'm processing what you're saying. I think that I have [24:33] been so nervous about wandering. You know what it was? It's the old fashioned thinking of like, [24:38] that's unserious. You can't do stuff that's quote unquote, unserious. And it's taken a long time for [24:45] me to convince various companies I've worked for that like, no, no, no, that doesn't exist anymore. [24:52] Like people. That does not exist anymore. [24:55] It just doesn't. That's not how people process the world. They like use equal seriousness for [25:03] celebrity stories and political stories and equal levity for those stories and political stories. [25:12] You know what I mean? Like there is, which is why I've always thought comedians have done so well [25:16] in the news space. Um, but we're far beyond that. It is all becoming very unserious and people are [25:24] latching on just to what is popular in the moment, not why it is popular not. Oh, does this person have [25:32] talent? Just are you big right now? Well, it'll be interesting to see kind of how just like TMZ Sports, [25:40] TMZ DC is going to evolve. Right. And especially as we head into midterms, I'm going to be really [25:45] interested to see how you guys like handle that. Right. As things spread across the country. [25:50] Because often when lawmakers go away on break, they kind of disappear from our view. And there [25:55] are so few local news organizations anymore. And so many states and cities that like, we actually, [26:02] they kind of can go dark for a bit. Like we've learned about people who were sick for a really long [26:07] time and possibly on their deathbed. Right. Like that would have been within the public interest or [26:12] whatever. But I think that there's this sense of, um, I'm very curious to see. Yeah. What's the [26:18] difference between what you've been doing these last two weeks and literally a year from now. So [26:23] I hope you'll come on the new show because we're here in DC. I'd love to. I'd love to. [26:29] I want to swap notes, man. I need to know how it's working out. [26:33] I'd love to. Well, thank you so much. What's your mom's name? [26:37] Her name is Winnie. Winnie. Well, Winnie, an early happy Mother's Day. [26:43] Oh my gosh. [26:44] You done good. You done good. Tell people where they can find you. What are your like social media [26:50] handles, et cetera? Yeah. I'd say Twitter, like we discussed. Great way to find me. [26:55] Uh, it's, it's Jacob, Jacob Wass. And, and I want to talk to everyone. Uh, so no matter what party, [27:03] no matter what your ideology is, let's talk. So feel free to reach out. [27:08] That was Jacob Wasserman. He's co-managing editor of TMZ DC. And before you go, you should know, [27:16] this is the last episode of the assignment, or at least the assignment as we know it. I'm not going [27:23] away. In fact, the show is evolving into a new show called engagement party. And I'm going to have [27:29] a cohost, Ari Shapiro, also formerly of NPR. And we are going to cover, as you heard, [27:35] culture, pop culture, and power. Things you've heard us talking about on the assignment. Same feed, [27:42] slightly different vibe. And before we leave for the party, I want to take a minute to pass the [27:46] mic to some people who honestly helped make this show what it is. Hi, I'm Matt Martinez. Hey, [27:52] I'm Sophia Sanchez. I'm Madeline Thompson. Hi, I'm Lori Gallaretta. Hi, [27:56] my name is Kira Daring. I'm Jennifer Lai. I'm Dan Bloom. My name is Grace Walker. [28:01] Hi, I'm Jesse Remedios. I'm Graylin Brashear. My favorite episode of the assignment is [28:06] Audie's conversation with Baratunde Thurston. It is a lovely, wide-ranging conversation about [28:13] what it means to be patriotic in a moment when that feels really, really hard. The episode that I [28:19] loved producing was, did Bad Bunny win the culture war? Because one, he did. Two, we talked to [28:25] the profiler, Susie Exposito. And three, we were able to capture Benito Mania in real time. [28:31] The episode of the assignment that I'm the most proud of is all the things we're saying about [28:36] heated rivalry. The episode that I liked working on the most was AI in the time of loneliness, [28:42] because it took some convincing to get this one done. But I think at the end of it, it was a really [28:50] awesome journey. My favorite show that I got to work on was Why Does Dating Feel So Hard Right Now? [28:55] Because I love reality TV and we had the couples therapy show host on. My favorite episode of the [29:02] assignment is Meet the Man Who Saw the LA Fires Coming. I loved working on the serious business [29:08] of romance novels. It was awesome to get to go to the bookstore in Brooklyn and talk with all the [29:12] booksellers about their favorite romance novel tropes. My favorite episode of the assignment that I [29:17] worked on was called Can We Build Our Way Out of the Housing Crisis? It was about the YIMBY movement [29:22] and we actually filmed it on camera in an orange grove in Ojai. The episode of the assignment that [29:29] I worked on that I enjoyed the most is Why Elon Musk Wants You to Have More Kids. The episode of the [29:36] assignment that I'll remember forever was with the lead singer of old tro medicine show Catch Secor. [29:42] And during this interview, he pulls out his guitar and plays this song for Audie called [29:46] Louder Than Guns. That's the title of the episode and that song still comes to me all the time. [29:52] And a few more people, we have to thank Ahsoke Samuel, Sonia Tan, Carla Javier, Alison Park, [29:59] Alex Stern, Steve Lichtai, Dan DiZula, and as always, as we used to say, Katie Hinman. Thank you for all [30:07] you've done to make the assignment what it is. And for the rest of you, make sure you come back to the [30:12] feed. We kick off on May 22nd.