The View – Full Broadcast June 2, 2026 — THE VIEW 6/2/2026

[0:03] No fund me? President Trump and the Justice Department say they'll abide by a court ruling that freezes his $1.8 billion so-called anti-weaponization fund that even had some Republicans recoiling. [0:17] I'm not sure that a billion-dollar-plus slush fund is the answer. [0:22] It's stupid on stilts. Look, you're talking about people who assaulted Capitol Police officers on January the 6th, were then convicted. [0:34] And while Democrats say the fight's not over. [0:38] Now Trump is claiming that the slush fund is dead for now, but Democrats will not stop until it's well and truly buried and can never see the light of day. [0:48] Is Trump agreeing to a temporary pause part of a bigger play? [0:53] Then, former First Lady Jill Biden is opening up about the historic highs and lows of her time in the White House. [1:00] Her panic on the night of President Biden's disastrous debate. [1:04] Standing with her husband as Democrats called on him to step down. [1:08] And sharing her view on the East Wing being replaced with President Trump's ballroom. [1:13] Here come Hot Topics with Whoopi, Sarah Haynes, Joy Behar, Anna Navarro, Sunny Hostin, and Alyssa Farrah Griffin. [1:27] Now let's get things started. [1:30] Yesterday, yesterday, you know who, and the Justice Department said they will obey a court ruling [2:11] that temporarily freezes the $1.8 billion so-called anti-weaponization fund. [2:18] Now here was the reaction on both sides of the aisle. [2:22] Take a look. [2:23] I'm not sure that a billion-dollar-plus slush fund is the answer. [2:28] I think that money could be better spent in bringing down the cost of everything and making life more affordable. [2:34] Let's call this what it is. [2:36] This is corruption in broad daylight. [2:39] The tip of the iceberg of the corruption that's gone on this administration is this weaponization fund. [2:45] You don't fix a corrupt slush fund by relying on the word of the most untrustworthy president we have ever had. [2:52] You ban it. [2:54] The slush fund is rotten to the core. [2:57] Democrats will make sure Republicans vote on it no matter what. [3:01] So no one trusts what's happening. [3:06] No one is sure they can trust anything they're hearing. [3:08] So my question is, why do you think you know who is agreeing with the court's decision? [3:14] You know, because he'll always say, I'm going against him. [3:17] But suddenly this was too easy. [3:19] This is like, okay. [3:20] Well, I think it is because 35 former federal judges, including Judge Shira Shindlin from the Southern District of New York, who is a legendary jurist, filed a lawsuit against President Trump. [3:34] And in this lawsuit, they basically asked the court in Florida to stop the slush fund, to stop the settlement, and to also stop the part of the settlement that gave him total cover for any tax shenanigans he or his family may have done in past years. [3:55] And this judge issued a ruling, which is one of the most extraordinary rulings I have ever read. [4:01] She specifically says, indeed, the corruption of the judicial process is exactly what happened here. [4:09] Explain. [4:10] The parties use that lawsuit and the court as cover for a settlement, a settlement that they never brought in front of the judge. [4:20] Generally, when there's a settlement in a court case, you go to the judge and say, the parties have reached an agreement, Your Honor. [4:26] Here is a copy of the settlement. [4:28] No federal judge would ever have approved a $1.8 billion slush fund plus IRS protection. [4:36] No one would ever have approved that. [4:38] And so rather than bringing this settlement in front of this judge, they voluntarily dismissed the case without the judge reviewing it. [4:46] And I think what could possibly happen here, it is so rare for a judge to say that you filed a federal frivolous lawsuit. [4:58] People lose their law licenses over this. [5:01] People get found guilty of fraud. [5:04] Criminal actions can come of this. [5:06] And I think these lawyers said to this president, stand out. [5:12] I think the reason he's obeying is because he's got no damn choice. [5:15] But this is clearly unconstitutional. [5:18] This is not one of those things where it's like up for interpretation and this court can interpret it this way. [5:22] This court can interpret it that way. [5:24] The Constitution under Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7, known as the Appropriations Clause, clearly says no money, no money can be drawn from the U.S. Treasury unless it is first authorized by an act of Congress. [5:38] And the Republicans have finally grown a spine in Congress and said to him, we are not approving this. [5:45] And why are they not approving this? [5:47] Because we are five months from an election. [5:49] And they're going out and, you know, Trump says he doesn't care about the midterms where the people running do care. [5:54] And they're sitting in Congress and they're going out and doing town halls and getting earfuls from constituents who are pissed as hell that at a time they can't afford groceries, they can't afford gas, they can't take their kids on summer vacations. [6:08] Trump is running around talking about billions of dollars for ballrooms and arches and a billion-plus dollar slush fund for insurrectionists. [6:17] And they have said, hell no, we're not going to take it. [6:20] And Republicans have had no choice but to stand up, which in turn has given Trump no choice but to follow the Constitution. [6:27] I actually don't think that the Republicans grew a spine overnight. [6:32] Maybe not a full spine, just like a couple of ribs. [6:35] I don't even think the beginnings of a spine. [6:38] I really think that this court and this group of judges have been the only sort of checks and balances on this aberrant administration. [6:50] They're supposed to be... [6:51] Trump has never cared about judges. [6:53] There was a judge that clearly told him to turn the plane back when he was sending Venezuelans to El Salvador. [7:00] And Trump said, really? [7:02] He cares this time. [7:03] There are a lot of Republicans who actually came out and said, if not for the courts, that they would legislatively act to try to roll this back. [7:09] This is so deeply unpopular. [7:11] But they didn't even have the votes for that. [7:13] Well, they potentially... [7:14] Republicans do. [7:15] They have the majority if they get them and then you get Democrats to vote with them. [7:17] What I've been wondering is who cooked this up? [7:19] Because this gets back to the fact that in this second Trump term, I feel like you've got a lot of really internet-brained advisors. [7:26] Kids who are... [7:27] And I say kids. [7:28] Adults, by the way, who maybe spend a lot of their time online. [7:31] They think that the entire country sees the things the way that 30% of this country sees it. [7:36] And they're like, this is going to be really popular. [7:38] People definitely want to bail out January 6th insurrectionists. [7:41] The people are going to cheer for this. [7:42] Turns out they're not just out of step with the majority of the country. [7:45] They're out of step with the majority of the Republican Party. [7:49] So this is something that it was such a harebrained idea. [7:52] Everyone from John Thune to Joe Rogan was like, this is a bad idea. [7:56] This ain't it. [7:56] Don't you think it was the president's idea? [7:58] Probably. [7:59] Or an advisor came to him and was like, oh, it's clever. [8:02] It's 1776. [8:03] Melissa, do you think they would have... [8:05] That's actually what the amount was. [8:08] This is the president's idea. [8:10] But just to lay in the mood real quick, our dear president did have this tweet, [8:14] which offered me some calm in this moment where a lot of us are stressed out. [8:18] Just sit back and relax. [8:19] It will all work out well in the end. [8:21] It always does. [8:23] And I was like, oh, okay. [8:24] Now I feel better. [8:25] That was yesterday. [8:27] I was laughing just at the fact that we actually had to wait until we heard that the president was going to abide by something the courts did. [8:33] In what universe do we live that we all sit down and say, what's he going to do? [8:38] It used to be that when a court decided, a judge decided, everyone just does what they're supposed to, except him. [8:43] I really think he just didn't have a choice in this one. [8:47] It was just so... [8:49] Usually that revs him up. [8:50] It was so, so blatant and egregious. [8:53] He just didn't have a choice. [8:54] Well, let's see what happens with the second part of this, because I think that's another very important thing to keep an eye on. [9:03] Because really what it came down to was him saying, I'm suing you. [9:09] And him saying to himself again, well, I'm going to take you to court. [9:14] Yes. [9:14] It was very circular. [9:16] And then we're going to... [9:17] I'm suing the IRS. [9:18] Well, I'm not giving you any money. [9:19] Well, yes, you are. [9:20] Yes. [9:21] Well, I just want... [9:22] That's what the judges say. [9:24] That's what the judges say. [9:24] There aren't adverse parties. [9:26] You're suing your own government, and your own government is giving you money. [9:29] Which means you're going to like the settlement regardless. [9:31] It's corrupt and it's illegal. [9:32] And Congress is like, fine, we're over here. [9:34] And because you can't do that in terms of taking, putting your hand in the till and pulling money in your pocket, the second half of this is going to be very interesting. [9:45] Because if you're not allowed to do that, then you have no case. [9:49] You have no case. [9:51] You have no case. [9:52] And you did a frivolous lawsuit. [9:54] This judge has already decided this was fraud on the court. [9:57] It is one of the most rare remedies. [10:00] It wasn't just the money. [10:01] It wasn't the fact that he and his entire family were going to be exempt from audits. [10:06] It was the IRS piece. [10:08] Here in eternity. [10:09] Yes, no one gave anybody permission to grant it. [10:13] And that's... [10:14] I think I'm going to sue myself. [10:17] Let me see if I like to say anything. [10:19] Well, I'll tell you what you will like when we come back. [10:22] We're coming back with Jill Biden. [10:25] Former First Lady Jill Biden is sharing a vivid portrait of her time in the White House [10:37] in her new memoir, Fuse from the East Wing, before it was torn down. [10:42] Please welcome Jill Biden. [10:45] Thanks for coming. [11:16] And it's your question. [11:17] Yes, great suit. [11:17] Somebody just said up there, miss you. [11:19] Miss you. [11:20] Yes. [11:20] Thank you. [11:21] Yeah. [11:22] So let's start because we have a lot of questions for you. [11:28] Okay. [11:29] So lovely to have you here. [11:30] But last time you were here with us, your husband had just left office. [11:35] You were beginning to adjust to leaving the noise of the presidency. [11:40] And then the bottom fell out. [11:43] And all of a sudden we find out, you'll find out, that Joe Biden had stage four metastatic [11:51] prostate cancer. [11:53] Yes. [11:53] My husband had prostate cancer. [11:54] I still cannot believe it did not get caught earlier. [11:58] And so just tell us, how's Joe doing? [12:01] We all love him here. [12:01] You know, he's doing okay, as probably everyone in this audience knows, because I'm sure you've [12:08] all been touched by cancer. [12:10] Yes. [12:10] Yes. [12:11] It's hard. [12:12] It's hard. [12:13] You know, it's stage four. [12:14] It's in his bones. [12:16] But he's keeping up his schedule. [12:19] He's going to D.C. on Amtrak. [12:22] What else? [12:23] Yes. [12:23] A couple times a month. [12:25] He's speaking at Democratic rallies. [12:29] He's writing. [12:30] So he's active. [12:31] He's, you know, he's Joe. [12:32] Yeah. [12:33] He's Joe. [12:33] Exactly. [12:35] You know, I think when so many of us heard about this diagnosis, we're wondering how the [12:42] president of the United States, who has access to the best medical care in the world, arguably, [12:48] never missed an annual physical. [12:50] He never did. [12:51] That's right. [12:52] How could such an aggressive cancer go undetected? [12:57] And you write about how you had been concerned about him. [13:00] You had even alerted his medical team about the concerns. [13:05] Was there a time when you said to the president, Joe, I need you to slow down, even though you're [13:13] Joe? [13:13] You know, first of all, we had an amazing medical team. [13:19] I mean, I had my medical team. [13:21] He had his. [13:21] Yeah. [13:22] And we did get annual physicals. [13:24] And, but they followed the guidelines of the American Urology Association, which says that [13:31] men don't get prostate screening after the age of 70. [13:35] So unfortunately, they didn't do the PSA. [13:38] And had they done that, I think. [13:41] Which is just a blood test. [13:42] Yeah. [13:42] Because I know. [13:43] But believe me. [13:45] And so. [13:46] That has to change. [13:47] It does have to change. [13:48] That recommendation has to change. [13:49] So all you men, because I'm telling you, you need to pay attention to your health. [13:54] You know, women, I think, are really good at it. [13:55] But men, if you're having a problem, don't just say, oh, you know, I'm going to look at [14:00] this later. [14:02] You know, do something about it. [14:03] If you're not feeling good, your body's telling you. [14:06] Your body's telling you you need to do something. [14:08] And don't go with the guidelines. [14:10] Because the guidelines are very, they're very narrow. [14:14] It's like, it's like getting your breast test. [14:16] Yeah. [14:17] The mammograms. [14:18] You know, don't, if your breast feels lumpy, go to the damn doctor. [14:22] Don't wait for the doctor. [14:23] Men too. [14:23] Men too. [14:24] Men have breast cancer. [14:25] Dr. Biden, I read the whole book in a day. [14:29] You have so many fascinating stories. [14:31] It's excellent. [14:31] But one of the big revelations out of it was your reaction watching the now infamous 2024 [14:37] presidential debate. [14:38] And you described it on CBS saying you thought he might be having a stroke or a medical incident. [14:43] I was covering it for CNN. [14:45] I know it was hard for a lot of us to watch. [14:47] But you say and write that you hadn't seen that from him before. [14:50] You hadn't seen that sort of slippage. [14:52] Many aides had said otherwise. [14:54] And of course, you know, polls of Americans had expressed concerns about his age, perhaps [14:58] not that performance. [15:00] Do you think that there's a chance you had a blind spot to it as the person closest to [15:05] him and to his spouse who just loves him so much? [15:07] You know, you're saying many aides saw this. [15:09] Because no one ever came to me and said, Jill, you know, Joe's aging or something's wrong. [15:16] So when I saw that, I mean, no doctors came to me and said that. [15:20] And Joe, like I said, you said, has a whole team of doctors around. [15:23] And so when I saw that, when all Americans saw that moment on TV at the debate, I mean, [15:30] I was frightened out of my mind because I thought, oh, my God, he's having a stroke. [15:34] And then I got off the stage. [15:37] I went back. [15:37] You know, they brought me back on. [15:39] You know, we hugged, we kissed. [15:41] We're walking off. [15:42] And I see he's OK. [15:44] But we're walking off. [15:45] And he says to me, and I'm not going to say no morning to you, but I really. [15:50] We all know Joe Biden. [15:51] We know what he said. [15:52] I really messed up, didn't I? [15:55] And I said, yeah, Joe, you did. [15:58] And we walked off. [15:59] I went to get my stuff. [16:00] The docs were right there. [16:02] They're like, he's fine. [16:03] He's fine. [16:04] We had three events after that. [16:06] Yeah. [16:07] Three that night where he got up on stage and, you know, [16:12] made speeches, whatever. [16:14] And to this day, I still cannot say, like, what happened in that moment? [16:22] Wow. [16:23] What happened? [16:24] Can I say, you had a bunch of events the next day. [16:26] I remember I saw you 24 hours later at an LGBTQ event for the DNC. [16:31] Henry, you were there. [16:32] And it was a completely different Biden. [16:34] And when I said that to people, they didn't believe me. [16:36] They wanted me to say it differently. [16:37] I know. [16:38] I agree with that. [16:39] I mean, it was, he did fine. [16:41] And you said you've never seen him like that again. [16:44] No. [16:44] And can I ask you, Dr. Biden, do you still think that he would have been in a good place [16:48] to serve as president for another four years until he was 86? [16:52] Well, not from what I know now. [16:54] I mean, my God, who knew? [16:56] I mean, it was so shocking to get that cancer diagnosis. [17:00] I mean, we had, you know, here I was. [17:02] I'm looking through travel magazines like, oh, where are we going to go? [17:05] What are we going to do? [17:06] And then we get this cancer diagnosis. [17:08] And I think, what am I doing? [17:11] Like, our whole life has changed now. [17:14] Well, yeah. [17:14] And so, I mean, it was, it was just shocking. [17:17] Dr. Biden, your husband served for over 50 years as a public servant. [17:21] Yes. [17:21] You were by his side. [17:22] I was. [17:22] For decades. [17:23] So I understand completely your first instinct to defend him after that debate we were just [17:29] speaking of. [17:29] But did you feel any of that fear as his wife right there beside him to protect him? [17:36] He'd given so much of himself. [17:37] And to see you even saying, like, I thought he was having a medical episode. [17:41] I was concerned. [17:42] Was there any part of you that went into protection mode of, like, Joe, you can't keep doing this. [17:46] Like, this is, they're taking so much from you. [17:48] But the doctors told me he was fine. [17:51] I'm not a doctor. [17:52] I mean, I am a doctor. [17:53] Yes, you are. [17:54] Dr. Biden. [17:58] You're not a doctor. [18:01] I say that more. [18:02] You trust your doctor, right? [18:04] I do. [18:05] My mom and dad have been married for 57 years. [18:07] Wow. [18:07] I'm not as long. [18:08] But I've watched my mom go after my dad and my dad go after my mom in this just profound, [18:14] I can't let anyone take you from me. [18:16] So I just didn't know. [18:17] Because watching, I'm not related to President Biden. [18:20] But watching, I became very protective of him. [18:22] Like, you've done enough. [18:23] This country has taken it. [18:24] Go sit and watch sunsets. [18:26] Like, I even said that to him the last time he met. [18:29] So I didn't know if any of that kicked in with you and the kids around him to say, [18:32] Dad, Joe, you've done enough. [18:35] Like, this is enough. [18:37] No, he kept on with the campaign because that's what they said. [18:40] You're fine. [18:41] Keep going. [18:42] And that's what we did. [18:43] Well, you know, a lot of people were just stunned by him having that moment. [18:50] You know, he had a moment. [18:52] I'm like, okay, well, you had a moment, man. [18:55] Yeah. [18:55] You had a moment. [18:56] You can't deny it. [18:57] It's right there. [18:58] It's right there. [18:59] But suddenly, there was a lot of vocal Democratic supporters like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, [19:06] George Clooney, who worked behind the scenes to get Joe to step down. [19:10] That's right. [19:12] I didn't understand. [19:13] And I think I said it on the show. [19:14] And maybe not so behind the scenes. [19:15] Maybe not so behind the scenes. [19:17] You know, I have to try to be nice and everything. [19:20] But you say in the book, you stepped outside of your role as a protective spouse, which [19:34] answers your question. [19:36] You understood Obama's point of view. [19:38] Yes, I did. [19:40] So how hard was it for you to hear it? [19:43] I thought, personally, I was a little pissed off at the table the next day. [19:50] Because I thought, you know, because having had moments where you just, it was bad timing [19:58] for a bad moment, you know, because he had just come back. [20:03] He'd been doing all this stuff. [20:04] And he had a cold as well. [20:05] And so for you to hear other people saying, oh, and being fed this line from other people [20:13] saying, oh, you know, he's Sleepy Joe. [20:15] He can't do anything. [20:16] What was it like to hear all those? [20:18] Some of them were your lifelong friends. [20:20] Yes, that's my point. [20:21] And some were from the other side, because the other side is what started stirring the [20:25] pot. [20:26] Stirring the pot. [20:26] And then folks got on board and it blew up. [20:30] President Obama spoke to you privately. [20:32] Right. [20:33] Yeah. [20:33] And I think he spoke publicly as well. [20:36] Yeah. [20:36] And so it was really hurtful. [20:40] I mean, I have to say, I mean, you have to remember, I mean, we're not just president [20:45] and first lady. [20:46] We're parents. [20:47] We have children. [20:48] We have grandchildren. [20:49] I mean, the hurt. [20:50] Yes, we can take it. [20:51] We're in the public eye. [20:52] We're public servants. [20:53] But for our kids and our grandkids to go through that, I mean, it was rough. [20:58] And here's what that was being said. [20:59] It was rough. [21:00] Yeah. [21:00] And it was heartbreaking that, and that's, you know, that's why Joe had to decide to [21:07] get out because he had lost the support of the Democratic Party. [21:11] And there were lots of friends who we kind of counted on who we knew for 50 years. [21:17] Yeah. [21:17] 50. [21:18] Did Nancy Pelosi ever speak to you privately or did you find out from the press? [21:23] Well, she had a breakfast with Joe. [21:25] Did she ever speak to you privately? [21:27] Oh, no. [21:28] To me, no. [21:28] No. [21:29] But, you know, it's... [21:32] Yeah. [21:32] It's politics. [21:33] Well, it's politics, but you know what? [21:36] If you got something to say, if you think I can't do my job, come and tell me. [21:40] Don't announce it on television. [21:44] Don't write an op-ed. [21:46] Call me. [21:46] Yeah. [21:47] Thank you. [21:48] Thank you. [21:49] Okay. [21:52] So there's more with Jill Biden when we come back. [21:55] With Jill Biden, Sunny, I have the question. [22:13] Thank you, Whoopi. [22:14] I agree with Alyssa. [22:15] This is a quick read. [22:16] It is a wonderful read. [22:18] You're very vulnerable in it, and I think it'll help a lot of people. [22:22] Thank you. [22:22] And you write very warmly about your relationship with former Vice President Kamala Harris. [22:27] And her husband, Doug Emhoff. [22:30] Now, she also wrote a book, 107 Days, that I read. [22:34] And I understand you have not read it. [22:36] No. [22:36] But in her book, she alludes to a much more fractured relationship between the Bidens and the Emhoffs. [22:45] She writes that your family asked if she and Doug were loyal to your family. [22:50] And she wrote that her husband, Doug, said they hide you away for four years, give you impossible bleep. [22:58] Jobs, don't correct the record when those tasks are mischaracterized. [23:01] Never fight back when you're attacked. [23:03] Never praise your accomplishments. [23:05] And then he added, and still, they have to ask if we're loyal. [23:11] Yeah. [23:12] How does, how do you respond to that? [23:14] You know, I never, I never saw that. [23:16] I never felt that way with Kamala and Doug. [23:19] I thought we were a great team. [23:22] I, you know, Joe. [23:24] You look shocked. [23:25] Yeah. [23:26] I mean, it's, I don't know. [23:28] We were a team. [23:29] And that July 4th that we were together, it was like we were saying to America, hey, we are the team. [23:36] You know, it is Joe and Kamala. [23:40] We are together. [23:43] And so I feel, you know, Joe chose her. [23:47] And for Doug to feel that way, I really am surprised. [23:51] I love, you can, when you read in my book. [23:54] Yeah. [23:55] I talk about Doug. [23:56] I love that he went into teaching. [23:58] We talk about it all the time. [24:00] We traveled together. [24:01] Yeah. [24:01] We had so many laughs together. [24:04] And so that kind of surprises me. [24:06] Yeah. [24:06] On Vice President Harris, do you think that she could have won if she had had more time in the race? [24:11] I thought she was going to win. [24:13] I mean, I went out there and I campaigned for her all over the country. [24:19] Yeah. [24:21] But do you think the abbreviated timeline may have made it too big of a task? [24:27] No, she was up to the job. [24:29] Otherwise, why would Joe give her, you know, say, here, Kamala? [24:32] I mean, she was up to it. [24:34] Otherwise, why would she run for president if she didn't feel she was up to it? [24:38] She was up to it. [24:39] And the, she was up to it. [24:42] And the day after, I went to bed assuming she would win. [24:46] The day after, I'm downstairs, you know, I taught. [24:49] So I'm there early. [24:51] I'm feeding Willow. [24:52] And my phone rings like 5, 6 in the morning. [24:54] Did you see, did you see the results? [24:57] And just at that moment, I knew. [24:59] And I ran into the bedroom and I woke Joe up. [25:01] And I'm like, Joe, Joe, why didn't you tell me this? [25:03] Why didn't you wake me up? [25:05] And he said, yes. [25:06] You know, she lost. [25:08] And I was shocked. [25:11] I saw the enthusiasm. [25:13] I was out on the road for her. [25:15] The excitement. [25:16] We all saw the big crowd. [25:17] Words that Donald Trump never said. [25:20] I lost when Joe Biden won. [25:22] Yes, that's exactly right. [25:24] That's exactly right. [25:24] And can I ask, do you think she should run again in 2028? [25:27] That's up to Kamala. [25:29] Yeah. [25:30] That's up to Kamala. [25:30] And it's you, babe. [25:31] So let's talk about the space formerly known as the East Wing. [25:36] Yeah. [25:37] Yeah. [25:37] Oh, yeah. [25:37] Remember that? [25:38] Yeah. [25:39] Yeah. [25:39] And so you worked as First Lady in the East Wing. [25:42] You decorated it so beautifully for so many different events with my friend Carlos Elizondo, [25:47] who was your social secretary. [25:49] But so you worked in the East Wing of the White House, which has since been demolished to make [25:53] way for a new billion dollar, I now I think it's 1.5 billion dollar ballroom. [25:59] So as somebody who knows the building, you've lived in that space, what are your actual feelings? [26:05] Like, what are you feeling personally and as an American, as somebody who walks that space? [26:09] Because isn't that the First Lady's office space? [26:11] That is the First Lady's office space. [26:13] That says a lot about him, don't it? [26:15] But it's also where we walked in for the Christmas parties. [26:19] You know, I love the East Wing. [26:21] I mean, I work, that's where I worked every day. [26:24] And it's where people, Americans walk, or anybody walks in. [26:29] That's the entrance. [26:30] Yeah. [26:30] And you walk in and you feel this excitement. [26:33] You're with your family. [26:34] You're taking pictures. [26:35] It's beautiful. [26:35] You walk down the hallway. [26:37] And I hung art from military families to say, hey, military families are so important [26:43] to our administration as a military family ourselves. [26:46] Then, then, I took all the old pictures of the older men presidents and that were hanging [26:54] there for like, you know, 50 years or whatever. [26:56] And I replaced it by First Ladies that everybody knew. [27:00] So you walk down the hall. [27:01] Yeah. [27:02] You said, hey, Hillary. [27:04] Hey, Mara. [27:05] You know, you would recognize who was there. [27:08] Hey, Michelle. [27:08] And then, I changed the tour so that the tour became interactive. [27:13] You know, I'm a teacher. [27:14] So, and we learned through all of our senses. [27:17] So, you could feel the marble. [27:19] You could hear FDR's voice. [27:21] Yes. [27:21] The pictures changed, you know. [27:23] So, I didn't want kids walking in the White House looking at their phone. [27:26] Uh-uh. [27:27] Put that phone down and interact with what's in the White House. [27:31] And that was your answer. [27:32] But I know you're a little, you know, you're repressed about your feelings. [27:35] You write about that in the book. [27:37] I'm asking you how do you feel. [27:38] I'm heartbroken. [27:39] I'm angry. [27:40] Heartbroken. [27:40] I'm angry. [27:41] All right. [27:42] But where does anger get you? [27:45] I don't know, but it feels good. [27:50] Dr. Biden, I do want to ask, because as I said, this is a great book. [27:53] I love, this is a great political memoir. [27:55] But there are Democrats within the party who are saying now is not the time. [27:59] It's putting relitigating 2024 back in the headlines. [28:02] The debate around your president, if he should have gotten out, when he should have, when [28:07] Democrats are really trying to hone their message ahead of the midterms. [28:10] What do you say to those criticisms? [28:12] I say, read my book. [28:14] Yeah. [28:15] It's one chapter in 35 chapters. [28:20] My book is about me. [28:22] My reflections. [28:23] My reflections as First Lady. [28:25] My reflections as a teacher. [28:27] What I went through to plan state dinners or all the events that we had. [28:32] The teacher's state dinner. [28:33] Our time at Camp David. [28:35] It's my reflections of what I did as I traveled around this country and met so many amazing [28:42] Americans and their families. [28:44] It's my book. [28:45] It's not this political comment on what happened. [28:48] It's my reflection of four years. [28:53] Not one moment in time. [28:54] Four years. [28:55] Yeah, and it's yours. [28:58] And it's mine. [28:59] So everybody should just calm down. [29:03] Calm down with all the stuff that you're hearing from folks. [29:05] This is what's bothering you. [29:07] Please. [29:08] And everybody else has written about it, so why shouldn't the person that was in there? [29:12] And we have more with Jill Biden when we come back. [29:27] For Jill Biden, Sarah has the next question. [29:30] Yeah, so as we've spoke about before, your family's been in the political spotlight for decades. [29:35] And at a profound personal cost at moments, President Biden suffered the loss of his first wife [29:41] and daughter in a tragic car accident. [29:44] Your son, Hunter, struggles with addiction. [29:46] Struggled. [29:47] Struggled. [29:47] Struggled. [29:48] Sorry. [29:48] Struggled with addiction. [29:49] And the heartbreaking death of your son, Beau, from cancer. [29:52] Yes. [29:53] So you write that on the day you cast your vote for Vice President Harris, you visited [29:58] Beau's grave. [29:59] And at that cemetery, you let yourself cry for the first time in a long time. [30:04] Yes. [30:04] What was it about that moment that you allowed yourself to feel so much and open the door [30:11] to all of those things, the pain? [30:13] You know, I also write in the book about the relationship between mothers and sons and what [30:18] a special relationship that is. [30:21] And I felt that way about my sons always. [30:25] I mean, when I married Joe, I married a family. [30:27] I married Joe and the boys, and I just felt so close to them, and I felt, you know, at [30:35] that moment after casting my vote, I could go to Beau's headstone, the graveyard, and I [30:44] could just talk to Beau. [30:45] And so I just cried. [30:47] I mean, listen, the anniversary of Beau's death was May 30th, just a few days ago. [30:52] I still go all the time and talk to Beau, especially since Joe's cancer diagnosis. [31:00] I say, Beau, where are you? [31:02] I need you. [31:03] Your dad is sick. [31:05] And I don't know, you've probably all lost someone that you've loved so, so much. [31:12] And you just don't stop that relationship. [31:16] I mean, he's my boy. [31:18] You know, you say every morning I pray for him. [31:21] I pray for my other children, too, but I've lost him. [31:25] So, you know, he's still a part of my life, a big part of my life. [31:29] He will be the one. [31:30] Always. [31:31] Always. [31:31] And that's why I went. [31:32] And Hunter's doing well? [31:34] Hunter is, oh my gosh, Hunter is doing so great, and he's sober. [31:39] He has a beautiful child. [31:41] I mean, yes. [31:43] Thank you, Beau. [31:44] Who's named Beau? [31:45] He named his son after Beau, and Beau named his son after Hunter. [31:49] So, yeah, just shows. [31:51] Well, you know, the book is spectacular. [31:55] Thank you. [31:55] So, our thanks to Jill Biden. [31:57] The new book, View from the East Wing, is out today, and you can scan the QR code on your [32:02] screen to buy it. [32:04] And if you happen to be an audio person, Jill reads the book. [32:09] Yeah. [32:10] So, we'll be right back. [32:13] Thank you. [32:14] Thank you. [32:14] Thank you. [32:15] Thank you. [32:15] Thank you. [32:15] Thank you. [32:15] Thank you. [32:15] Thank you. [32:16] Thank you. [32:16] Thank you. [32:16] Thank you. [32:16] Thank you. [32:17] Thank you. [32:17] Thank you. [32:17] Thank you. [32:18] Thank you. [32:18] Thank you. 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