The Second Presidential Debate: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump (Full Debate)

[0:23] Thank you very much for being here. We're going to begin with a question from one of the members in our town hall. [0:29] Each of you will have two minutes to respond to this question. [0:32] Secretary Clinton, you won the coin toss, so you'll go first. [0:34] Our first question comes from Patrice Brock. Patrice? [0:39] Thank you, and good evening. [0:41] The last presidential debate could have been rated as MA, mature audiences, per TV parental guidelines. [0:49] Knowing that educators assigned viewing the presidential debate to students' homework, [0:53] do you feel you're modeling appropriate and positive behavior for today's youth? [0:58] Well, thank you. Are you a teacher? [1:01] Yes, I think that that's a very good question because I've heard from lots of teachers and parents [1:07] about some of their concerns about some of the things that are being said and done in this campaign. [1:14] And I think it is very important for us to make clear to our children that our country really is, [1:23] great because we're good. [1:25] And we are going to respect one another, lift each other up. [1:30] We are going to be looking for ways to celebrate our diversity. [1:35] And we are going to try to reach out to every boy and girl as well as every adult [1:41] to bring them in to working on behalf of our country. [1:45] I have a very positive and optimistic view about what we can do together. [1:50] That's why the slogan of my campaign is Stronger Together. [1:53] Because I think if we work together, if we overcome the divisiveness that sometimes sets [2:00] Americans against one another, and instead we make some big goals, and I've set forth some big goals, [2:06] getting the economy to work for everyone, not just those at the top, making sure that we have [2:12] the best education system from preschool through college, and making it affordable, [2:17] and so much else. If we set those goals and we go together to try to achieve them, [2:23] there's nothing, in my opinion, that America can't do. [2:27] So that's why I hope that we will come together in this campaign. [2:32] Obviously, I'm hoping to earn your vote. [2:34] I'm hoping to be elected in November. [2:37] And I can promise you I will work with every American. [2:40] I want to be the president for all Americans, regardless of your political beliefs, [2:45] where you come from, what you look like, your religion. [2:48] I want us to heal our country and bring it together because that's, I think, the best way for us to get [2:53] the future that our children and our grandchildren deserve. [2:56] Secretary Clinton, thank you. [2:57] Mr. Trump, you have two minutes. [2:59] Well, I actually agree with that. [3:01] I agree with everything she said. [3:04] I began this campaign because I was so tired of seeing such foolish things happen to our country. [3:12] This is a great country. [3:13] This is a great land. [3:15] I've gotten to know the people of the country over the last year and a half that I've been doing this as a [3:20] politician. I cannot believe I'm saying that about myself. [3:24] But I get it. [3:24] I get it. [3:24] I guess I have been a politician. [3:26] And my whole concept was to make America great again. [3:30] When I watch the deals being made, when I watch what's happening with some horrible things like [3:37] Obamacare, where your health insurance and health care is going up by numbers that are astronomical [3:42] 68 percent, 59 percent, 71 percent. [3:47] When I look at the Iran deal and how bad a deal it is for us, it's a one sided transaction where we're giving [3:53] back 150 billion. [3:54] We're giving back 150 billion dollars to a terrorist state, really the number one terrorist state. [3:59] We've made them a strong country from really a very weak country just three years ago. [4:04] When I look at all of the things that I see and all of the potential that our country has, we have such [4:09] tremendous potential, whether it's in business and trade where we're doing so badly. [4:15] Last year, we had an almost 800 billion dollar trade deficit. [4:19] In other words, trading with other countries, we had an 800 billion dollar trade deficit. [4:24] It's hard to believe, inconceivable, you say, who's making these deals? [4:29] We're going to make great trade deals. [4:31] We're going to have a strong border. [4:32] We're going to bring back law and order. [4:34] Just today, policemen were shot, two killed, and this is happening on a weekly basis. [4:41] We have to bring back respect to law enforcement. [4:46] At the same time, we have to take care of people on all sides. [4:48] We need justice. But I want to do things that haven't been done, including fixing and making our inner cities better. [4:55] For the African-American citizens that are so great, and for the Latinos, Hispanics, and I look forward to doing it. [5:03] It's called Make America Great Again. [5:06] Thank you, Mr. Trump. [5:07] The question from Patrice was about, are you both modeling positive and appropriate behaviors for today's youth? [5:13] We received a lot of questions online, Mr. Trump, about the tape that was released on Friday. [5:17] As you can imagine, you called what you said locker room banter. [5:21] You described kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals. [5:24] That is sexual assault. [5:26] You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women. [5:28] Do you understand that? [5:30] No, I didn't say that at all. [5:32] I don't think you understood what was said. [5:34] This was locker room talk. [5:36] I'm not proud of it. [5:38] I apologize to my family. [5:40] I apologize to the American people. [5:42] Certainly, I'm not proud of it. [5:44] But this is locker room talk. [5:46] You know, when we have a world where you have ISIS chopping off heads, where you have, and frankly, drowning people in steel cages, [5:52] where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over, [5:56] where you have so many bad things happening. [5:58] This is like medieval times. [6:00] We haven't seen anything like this. [6:02] The carnage all over the world. [6:04] And they look and they see. [6:06] Can you imagine the people that are, frankly, doing so well against us with ISIS? [6:11] And they look at our country and they see what's going on. [6:13] Yes, I'm very embarrassed by it. [6:15] I hate it. [6:16] But it's locker room talk. [6:18] And it's one of those things. [6:20] I will knock the hell out of ISIS. [6:23] We're going to defeat ISIS. [6:25] It happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left because of bad judgment. [6:31] And I will tell you, I will take care of ISIS. [6:34] And we should get on to much more important things and much bigger things. [6:38] Just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, [6:42] that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? [6:46] I have great respect for women. [6:48] Nobody has more respect for women than I do. [6:50] So, for the record, you're saying you never did that? [6:52] I said things that, frankly, [6:54] you hear these things are said. [6:56] And I was embarrassed by it. [6:58] But I have tremendous respect for women. [7:00] Have you ever done those things? [7:01] And women have respect for me. [7:02] And I will tell you, no, I have not. [7:04] And I will tell you that I'm going to make our country safe. [7:07] We're going to have borders on our country, which we don't have now. [7:10] People are pouring into our country. [7:12] And they're coming in from the Middle East and other places. [7:15] We're going to make America safe again. [7:17] We're going to make America great again. [7:18] But we're going to make America safe again. [7:20] And we're going to make America wealthy again. [7:22] Because if you don't do that, [7:23] it just sounds harsh to say, [7:27] but we have to build up the wealth of our nation. [7:29] Thank you, Mr. Trump. [7:30] Now other nations are taking our jobs and they're taking our wealth. [7:32] Thank you, Mr. Trump. [7:33] And that's what I want to talk about. [7:34] Secretary Clinton, do you want to respond? [7:37] Well, like everyone else, [7:39] I've spent a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours [7:42] about what we heard and saw. [7:46] You know, with prior Republican nominees for president, [7:50] I disagreed with them on politics, policies, principles. [7:54] But I never questioned their fitness to serve. [7:58] Donald Trump is different. [8:01] I said starting back in June [8:03] that he was not fit to be president and commander-in-chief. [8:08] And many Republicans and independents have said the same thing. [8:12] What we all saw and heard on Friday [8:17] was Donald talking about women, [8:21] what he thinks about women, [8:23] what he does to women. [8:25] And he has said that the video doesn't reflect his views. [8:30] The video doesn't represent who he is. [8:34] But I think it's clear to anyone who heard it [8:37] that it represents exactly who he is. [8:40] Because we've seen this throughout the campaign. [8:44] We have seen him insult women. [8:46] We've seen him rate women on their appearance, [8:52] ranking them from 1 to 10. [8:54] We've seen him embarrass women on TV and on Twitter. [8:58] We saw him, after the first debate, [9:01] spend nearly a week denigrating a former Miss Universe. [9:05] In the harshest, most personal terms. [9:08] So, yes, this is who Donald Trump is. [9:13] But it's not only women, [9:16] and it's not only this video that raises questions [9:19] about his fitness to be our president. [9:22] Because he has also targeted immigrants, [9:27] African Americans, Latinos, [9:30] people with disabilities, [9:32] POWs, Muslims, and so many others. [9:35] So this is who Donald Trump is. [9:37] And the question for us, [9:39] the question our country must answer, [9:42] is that this is not who we are. [9:47] That's why, to go back to your question, [9:49] I want to send a message, we all should, [9:53] to every boy and girl, [9:55] and indeed to the entire world, [9:57] that America already is great, [10:00] but we are great because we are good. [10:03] And we will respect one another. [10:05] And we will work with one another. [10:07] And we will celebrate our diversity. [10:10] These are very important things. [10:12] These are very important values to me. [10:14] Because this is the America that I know and love. [10:17] And I can pledge to you tonight [10:19] that this is the America that I will serve [10:22] if I'm so fortunate enough to become your president. [10:26] And we want to get to some questions from online. [10:29] Well, am I allowed to respond to that? [10:31] I assume I am. [10:33] Yes, you can respond to that. [10:34] It's just words, folks. [10:35] It's just words. [10:36] Those words, I've been hearing them for many years. [10:40] I heard them when they were running [10:43] for the Senate in New York, [10:44] where Hillary was going to bring back jobs [10:46] to upstate New York, and she failed. [10:49] I've heard them where Hillary is constantly talking about [10:52] the inner cities of our country, [10:54] which are a disaster education-wise, [10:57] job-wise, safety-wise, in every way possible. [11:02] I'm going to help the African Americans. [11:04] I'm going to help the Latinos, Hispanics. [11:06] I am going to help the inner cities. [11:08] She's done a terrible job for the African Americans. [11:12] She wants their vote, and she does nothing. [11:14] And then she comes back four years later. [11:16] We saw that firsthand when she was a United States senator. [11:20] She campaigned where the primary part of her campaign... [11:23] Mr. Trump, I want to get to audience questions [11:25] and online questions. [11:27] So she's allowed to do that, but I'm not allowed to respond. [11:29] You're going to get to respond right now. [11:31] That sounds fair. [11:32] This tape is generating intense interest. [11:35] In just 48 hours, it's become the single most talked-about story [11:39] of the entire 2016 election on Facebook, [11:43] with millions and millions of people discussing it [11:45] on the social network. [11:48] As we said a moment ago, we do want to bring in questions [11:50] from voters around the country via social media. [11:53] And our first stays on this topic, Jeff from Ohio, [11:57] asks on Facebook, [11:59] Trump says the campaign has changed him. [12:02] When did that happen? [12:04] So, Mr. Trump, let me add to that, [12:06] when you walked off that bus at age 59, [12:09] were you a different man, [12:11] or did that behavior continue until just recently? [12:14] And you have two minutes for this. [12:16] Thank you, Mr. President. [12:17] Thank you, Mr. President. [12:18] I will tell you, that was locker room talk. [12:20] I'm not proud of it. [12:22] I am a person who has great respect for people, [12:25] for my family, for the people of this country, [12:28] and certainly I'm not proud of it. [12:30] But that was something that happened. [12:33] If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse, minor words, [12:37] and his was action. [12:38] His was what he's done to women. [12:40] There's never been anybody in the history of politics [12:43] in this nation that's been so abusive to women. [12:46] I know you can say any way you want to say it, [12:49] but Bill Clinton was abusive to women. [12:52] Hillary Clinton attacked those same women [12:55] and attacked them viciously, four of them here tonight. [12:59] One of the women, who is a wonderful woman, [13:02] at 12 years old, was raped at 12. [13:06] Her client she represented got him off, [13:09] and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions, [13:12] laughing at the girl who was raped. [13:14] Kathy Shelton, that young woman, [13:16] is here with us tonight. [13:19] So don't tell me about words. [13:21] I am absolutely, I apologize for those words. [13:25] But it is things that people say. [13:28] But what President Clinton did, he was impeached. [13:32] He lost his license to practice law. [13:35] He had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, [13:41] Paula Jones, who's also here tonight. [13:43] And I will tell you that when Hillary brings up [13:47] a point like that, and she talks about it, [13:49] she talks about words that I said 11 years ago, [13:52] I think it's disgraceful, and I think she should be ashamed [13:55] of herself if you want to know the truth. [13:59] Can we please hold the applause? [14:02] Secretary Clinton, you have two minutes. [14:04] Well, first, let me start by saying [14:08] that so much of what he's just said is not right. [14:11] But he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. [14:14] He gets to decide what he wants to talk about. [14:16] Instead of answering people's questions, [14:19] talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have, [14:23] that we think can make a better life and a better country, [14:27] that's his choice. [14:29] When I hear something like that, [14:31] I am reminded of what my friend Michelle Obama advised us all. [14:36] When they go low, you go high. [14:45] Look, if this were just about one video, [14:49] maybe what he's saying tonight would be understandable. [14:55] But everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point [14:58] about whether or not the man in the video [15:00] or the man on the stage respects women. [15:02] But he never apologizes for anything to anyone. [15:07] He never apologized to Mr. and Mrs. Khan, [15:12] the Gold Star family whose son, Captain Khan, [15:16] died in the line of duty in Iraq. [15:19] And Donald insulted and attacked them [15:22] for weeks over their religion. [15:25] He never apologized to the distinguished federal judge [15:30] who was born in Indiana. [15:33] But Donald said he couldn't be trusted to be a judge [15:37] because his parents were crazy. [15:39] He never apologized to the reporter [15:43] that he mimicked and mocked on national television [15:47] and our children were watching. [15:50] And he never apologized for the racist lie [15:53] that President Obama was not born [15:56] in the United States of America. [15:58] He owes the President an apology. [16:00] He owes our country an apology. [16:03] And he needs to take responsibility [16:05] for his actions and his words. [16:08] Well, you owe the President an apology [16:11] because, as you know very well, [16:13] your campaign, Sidney Blumenthal, [16:16] he's another real winner that you have. [16:18] And he's the one that got this started [16:20] along with your campaign manager. [16:22] And they were on television just two weeks ago, [16:24] she was, saying exactly that. [16:26] So you really owe him an apology. [16:28] You're the one that sent the pictures around your campaign, [16:31] sent the pictures around with President Obama [16:33] in a certain garb. [16:34] That was long before I was ever involved. [16:36] So you actually owe an apology. [16:38] Number two, Michelle Obama. [16:40] I've gotten to see the commercial [16:43] that they did on you. [16:45] And I've gotten to see some of the most vicious commercials [16:48] I've ever seen of Michelle Obama [16:51] talking about you, Hillary. [16:53] So you talk about, friend, [16:56] go back and take a look at those commercials. [16:59] A race where you lost fair and square, [17:02] unlike the Bernie Sanders race [17:04] where you won but not fair and square, in my opinion. [17:07] And all you have to do is take a look at WikiLeaks [17:10] and just see what they said about Bernie Sanders [17:13] and see what Deborah Wasserman Schultz had in mind. [17:17] Because Bernie Sanders, between superdelegates [17:19] and Deborah Wasserman Schultz, he never had a chance. [17:22] And I was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil. [17:25] But when you talk about apology, [17:27] I think the one that you should really be apologizing for [17:31] and the thing that you should be apologizing for [17:34] are the 33,000 emails that you deleted [17:38] and that you acid-washed. [17:40] And then the two boxes of emails and other things [17:43] last week that were taken from an office [17:46] and are now missing. [17:47] And I'll tell you what. [17:49] I didn't think I'd say this, but I'm going to say it. [17:51] And I hate to say it, but if I win, [17:54] I am going to instruct my attorney general [17:57] to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation [18:03] because there has never been so many lies, [18:06] so much deception. [18:08] There has never been anything like it. [18:10] And we're going to have a special prosecutor. [18:12] When I speak, I go out and speak, [18:14] the people of this country are furious. [18:17] In my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers [18:21] at the FBI are furious. [18:23] There has never been anything like this [18:25] where emails and you get a subpoena, [18:27] you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, [18:30] you delete 33,000 emails. [18:33] And then you acid-wash them or bleach them, as you would say. [18:36] A very expensive process. [18:38] So we're going to get a special prosecutor [18:40] and we're going to look into it because you know what? [18:42] People have been... [18:43] Their lives have been destroyed [18:45] for doing one-fifth of what you've done. [18:47] And it's a disgrace. [18:49] And honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. [18:51] Secretary Clinton, I want to follow up on that. [18:53] I'm going to let you talk about emails. [18:55] Everything he just said is absolutely false, [18:57] but I'm not surprised. [18:59] In the first debate... [19:01] The audience needs to calm down here. [19:03] I told people that it would be impossible [19:05] to be fact-checking Donald all the time. [19:07] I'd never get to talk about anything I want to do [19:10] and how we're going to really make lives better. [19:12] So, once again, go to HillaryClinton.com. [19:14] We have literally Trump. [19:16] You can fact-check him in real time. [19:18] Last time, at the first debate, [19:20] we had millions of people fact-checking. [19:22] So I expect we'll have millions more fact-checking [19:24] because, you know, it is... [19:26] It's just awfully good that someone [19:28] with the temperament of Donald Trump [19:30] is not in charge of the law in our country. [19:32] Because you'd be in jail. [19:34] Secretary Clinton, I'm sorry. [19:36] I'm sorry. [19:38] I'm sorry. [19:40] I'm sorry. [19:41] Secretary Clinton... [19:48] We want to remind the audience [19:50] to please not talk out loud. [19:53] Please do not applaud. [19:54] You're just wasting time. [19:55] And, Secretary Clinton, [19:56] I do want to follow up on emails. [19:58] You've said your handling of your emails was a mistake. [20:01] You disagreed with FBI Director James Comey [20:04] calling your handling of classified information, [20:06] quote, [20:07] extremely careless. [20:09] The FBI said that there were 110 classified emails [20:12] that were exchanged, [20:13] eight of which were top secret, [20:15] and that it was possible [20:16] that no hostile actors did gain access to those emails. [20:19] You don't call that extremely careless? [20:21] Well, Martha, first let me say, [20:23] and I've said it before, but I'll repeat it [20:25] because I want everyone to hear it. [20:27] That was a mistake, [20:29] and I take responsibility [20:31] for using a personal email account. [20:33] Obviously, if I were to do it over again, [20:35] I would not. [20:37] I'm not making any excuses. [20:39] It was a mistake, [20:41] and I am very sorry about that. [20:43] But I think it's also important [20:45] to point out [20:47] where there are some misleading accusations [20:51] from critics and others. [20:53] After a year-long investigation, [20:56] there is no evidence [20:58] that anyone hacked the server I was using, [21:01] and there is no evidence [21:03] that anyone can point to at all, [21:07] anyone who says otherwise has no basis, [21:10] that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands. [21:13] I take classified materials [21:15] very seriously, [21:17] and always have. [21:18] When I was on the Senate Armed Services Committee, [21:20] I was privy to a lot of classified material. [21:23] Obviously, as Secretary of State, [21:25] I had some of the most important secrets [21:29] that we possess, [21:31] such as going after bin Laden. [21:33] So I am very committed [21:35] to taking classified information seriously, [21:38] and as I said, there is no evidence [21:40] that any classified information [21:42] ended up in the wrong hands. [21:44] Okay, we're going to move on. [21:45] And yet, she didn't know the word, [21:48] the letter C on a document, right? [21:51] She didn't even know what that word, [21:53] what that letter meant. [21:54] You know, it's amazing. [21:55] I'm watching Hillary go over facts, [21:57] and she's going after fact after fact, [21:59] and she's lying again [22:01] because she said she, you know, [22:03] what she did with the emails was fine. [22:05] You think it was fine to delete 33,000 emails? [22:07] I don't think so. [22:08] She said the 33,000 emails [22:10] had to do with her daughter's wedding, [22:12] number one, and a yoga class. [22:14] Well, maybe we'll give three or three [22:16] or four or five or something. [22:18] 33,000 emails deleted, [22:19] and now she's saying [22:20] there wasn't anything wrong. [22:22] And more importantly, [22:23] that was after getting a subpoena. [22:24] That wasn't before. [22:25] That was after. [22:26] She got it from the United States Congress. [22:28] And I'll be honest, [22:29] I am so disappointed in congressmen, [22:32] including Republicans, [22:35] for allowing this to happen. [22:37] Our Justice Department, [22:38] where her husband goes onto [22:39] the back of an airplane for 39 minutes, [22:41] talks to the Attorney General [22:43] days before a ruling is going to be made [22:45] in her case. [22:46] But for you to say [22:48] that there was nothing wrong [22:50] with you deleting 39,000 emails, [22:54] again, you should be ashamed of yourself. [22:56] What you did, [22:57] and this is after getting a subpoena [22:59] from the United States Congress. [23:01] We have to move on. [23:02] Secretary Clinton, you can respond, [23:03] and then we've got to move on. [23:04] We want to give the audience [23:05] a chance here. [23:06] Let alone after getting a subpoena [23:08] from the United States Congress. [23:10] Secretary Clinton, you can respond. [23:11] Then we have to move on [23:12] to an audience question. [23:14] Look, it's just not true. [23:15] And so please go to... [23:16] Oh, you didn't delete them? [23:17] Allow her to respond, please. [23:18] Personal emails, not official. [23:20] 33,000? [23:21] Not... [23:22] Well, we turned over 35,000. [23:23] So it was... [23:24] Oh, yeah. [23:25] What about the other 15,000? [23:26] Please allow her to respond. [23:27] She didn't talk while you talked. [23:28] Yes, that's true. [23:29] I didn't. [23:30] Because you have nothing to say. [23:31] I didn't in the first debate. [23:32] And I'm going to try not to in this debate, [23:34] because I'd like to get to the questions [23:36] that the people have brought here tonight [23:38] to talk to us about. [23:40] And get off this question. [23:41] Okay, Donald. [23:44] I know you're into big diversion tonight. [23:46] Anything to avoid talking about your campaign [23:49] and the way it's exploding [23:50] and the way Republicans are leaving you. [23:52] But let's at least focus... [23:53] Let's see what happens. [23:54] Allow her to respond. [23:55] Let's see what happens. [23:56] ...on some of the issues [23:57] that people care about tonight. [23:58] Let's get to their question. [23:59] We have a question here from Ken Karpowitz. [24:01] He has a question about health care. [24:02] Ken? [24:03] I'd like to know, Anderson, [24:04] why aren't you bringing up the emails? [24:06] I'd like to know. [24:07] Why aren't you getting to the bottom? [24:08] We brought up the emails. [24:09] No, it hasn't. [24:10] It hasn't. [24:11] And it hasn't been finished at all. [24:12] Ken Karpowitz has a question. [24:13] It's nice to... [24:14] One on three. [24:15] Thank you. [24:17] The Affordable Care Act, [24:18] known as Obamacare, [24:20] it is not affordable. [24:22] Premiums have gone up. [24:24] Deductibles have gone up. [24:26] Co-pays have gone up. [24:27] Prescriptions have gone up. [24:29] And the coverage has gone down. [24:31] What will you do to bring the costs down [24:35] and make coverage better? [24:37] That first one goes to Secretary Clinton... [24:39] Thank you. [24:40] ...because you started out the last one [24:41] to the audience. [24:42] If he wants to start, he can start. [24:44] No, go ahead, Donald. [24:45] No, I'm a gentleman, Hillary. [24:46] Go ahead. [24:47] Secretary Clinton? [24:52] I think Donald was about to say [24:53] he's going to solve it by repealing it [24:55] and getting rid of the Affordable Care Act. [24:58] And I'm going to fix it because I agree with you. [25:01] Premiums have gotten too high, [25:02] co-pays, deductibles, prescription drug costs, [25:05] and I've laid out a series of actions [25:08] that we can take to try to get those costs down. [25:11] But here's what I don't want people to forget [25:13] when we're talking about reining in the costs, [25:16] which has to be the highest priority [25:18] of the next president. [25:20] When the Affordable Care Act passes, [25:22] it wasn't just that 20 million people got insurance [25:25] who didn't have it before, [25:26] but that in and of itself was a good thing. [25:28] I meet these people all the time, [25:30] and they tell me what a difference [25:32] having that insurance meant to them and their families. [25:35] But everybody else, the 170 million of us [25:39] who get health insurance through our employers [25:43] got big benefits. [25:44] Number one, insurance companies can't deny you coverage [25:48] because of a preexisting condition. [25:51] Number two, no lifetime limit. [25:53] Which is a big deal if you have serious health problems. [25:57] Number three, women can't be charged more than men [26:00] for our health insurance, [26:01] which is the way it used to be [26:03] before the Affordable Care Act. [26:05] Number four, if you're under 26 [26:08] and your parents have a policy, [26:10] you can be on that policy until the age of 26, [26:12] something that didn't happen before. [26:15] So I want very much to save what works [26:19] and is good about the Affordable Care Act. [26:21] But we've got to get costs down. [26:23] We've got to provide some additional help [26:25] to small businesses so that they can afford [26:28] to provide health insurance. [26:30] But if we repeal it, as Donald has proposed, [26:33] and start over again, [26:35] all of those benefits I just mentioned [26:38] are lost to everybody, [26:40] not just people who get their health insurance [26:42] on the exchange. [26:44] And then we would have to start all over again. [26:46] Right now we are at 90% health insurance coverage. [26:50] That's the highest we've ever been in our country. [26:53] So I want us to get to 100%, [26:55] but get costs down and keep quality up. [26:58] Mr. Trump, you have two minutes. [27:01] It is such a great question, [27:02] and it's maybe the question I get [27:04] almost more than anything else, [27:06] outside of defense. [27:08] Obamacare is a disaster. [27:11] You know it, we all know it. [27:13] It's going up at numbers that nobody's ever seen worldwide. [27:16] Nobody's ever seen numbers like this for health care. [27:19] It's only getting worse. [27:21] In 17... [27:22] It implodes by itself. [27:24] Their method of fixing it is to go back [27:26] and ask Congress for more money. [27:28] More and more money. [27:29] We have right now almost $20 trillion in debt. [27:32] Obamacare will never work. [27:34] It's very bad, very bad health insurance. [27:39] Far too expensive. [27:40] And not only expensive for the person that has it, [27:43] unbelievably expensive for our country. [27:45] It's going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly. [27:49] We have to repeal it and replace it [27:52] with something absolutely much less expensive [27:56] and something that works, [27:58] where your plan can actually be tailored. [28:00] We have to get rid of the lines around the state, [28:03] artificial lines, [28:04] where we stop insurance companies [28:06] from coming in and competing, [28:08] because they want it, [28:10] President Obama and whoever was working on it, [28:12] they want to leave those lines, [28:14] because that gives the insurance companies [28:16] essentially monopolies. [28:17] We want competition. [28:19] You will have the finest health care plan there is. [28:22] She wants to go to a single-payer plan, [28:24] which would be a disaster, [28:25] somewhat similar to Canada. [28:27] And if you ever notice, [28:28] the Canadians, when they need a big operation, [28:30] when something happens, [28:31] they come into the United States, [28:33] in many cases, [28:34] because their system is so slow, [28:37] it's catastrophic in certain ways. [28:40] But she wants to go to single-payer, [28:42] which means the government basically rules everything. [28:45] Hillary Clinton has been after this for years. [28:48] Obamacare was the first step. [28:50] Obamacare is a huge step. [28:52] It's a total disaster. [28:54] And not only are your rates going up [28:56] by numbers that nobody's ever believed, [28:58] but your deductibles are going up, [29:01] so that unless you get hit by a truck, [29:03] you're never going to be able to use it. [29:05] It is a disastrous plan, [29:07] and it has to be repealed and replaced. [29:10] Secretary Clinton, let me follow up with you. [29:12] Your husband called Obamacare, quote, [29:13] the craziest thing in the world, [29:15] saying that small business owners are getting killed, [29:17] his premiums double, coverage is cut in half. [29:19] Was he mistaken, [29:20] or was his mistake simply telling the truth? [29:22] No, I mean, he clarified what he meant, [29:24] and it's very clear. [29:25] Look, we are in a situation in our country [29:28] where if we were to start all over again, [29:32] we might come up with a different system. [29:34] But we have an employer-based system. [29:36] That's where the vast majority of people [29:38] get their health care. [29:40] And the Affordable Care Act [29:42] was meant to try to fill the gap [29:44] between people who were too poor [29:47] and couldn't put together any resources [29:49] to afford health care, [29:51] namely people on Medicaid, [29:53] obviously Medicare, [29:54] which is a single-payer system, [29:56] which takes care of our elderly [29:58] and does a great job doing it, by the way, [30:00] and then all the people who were employed, [30:03] but people who were working [30:05] but didn't have the money to afford insurance [30:08] and didn't have anybody, [30:09] an employer or anybody else, to help them. [30:11] That was the slot [30:13] that the Obamacare approach was to take. [30:16] And like I say, [30:17] 20 million people now have health insurance. [30:20] So if we just rip it up and throw it away, [30:22] what Donald's not telling you is, [30:24] we just turn it back to the insurance companies [30:26] the way it used to be. [30:27] And that means the insurance companies [30:29] get to do pretty much whatever they want, [30:31] including saying, [30:32] look, I'm sorry, you've got diabetes. [30:34] You had cancer. [30:35] Your child has asthma. [30:37] Your time is up. [30:38] You may not be able to have insurance [30:40] because you can't afford it. [30:41] So let's fix what's broken about it, [30:43] but let's not throw it away [30:45] and give it all back to the insurance companies [30:47] and the drug companies. [30:48] Let me follow up with you, Mr. [30:49] That's not gonna work. [30:50] Mr. Trump, let me follow up on this. [30:51] I just wanted just one thing. [30:52] First of all, Hillary, [30:53] everything's broken about it, everything. [30:55] Number two, Bernie Sanders said [30:57] that Hillary Clinton has very bad judgment. [30:59] This is a perfect example of it, [31:01] trying to save Obamacare, which is... [31:03] You've said you want to end Obamacare. [31:05] You've said you want to end Obamacare. [31:07] You've also said you want to make coverage accessible [31:09] for people with preexisting conditions. [31:11] How do you force insurance companies to do that [31:13] if you're no longer mandating [31:14] that every American get insurance? [31:15] We're going to be able to. [31:16] You're gonna have plans. [31:17] What does that mean? [31:18] Well, I'll tell you what it means. [31:19] You're gonna have plans [31:20] that are so good, [31:21] because we're gonna have so much competition [31:23] in the insurance industry [31:24] once we break out the lines [31:26] and allow the competition to come. [31:29] Are you gonna have a mandate [31:30] that Americans have to have health insurance? [31:32] President Obama, by keeping those lines, [31:35] the boundary lines around each state, [31:37] and it was almost gone [31:39] until just very toward the end [31:41] of the passage of Obamacare, [31:43] which, by the way, was a fraud. [31:44] You know that. [31:45] Because Jonathan Gruber, [31:47] the architect of Obamacare, [31:49] was said, [31:50] he said it was a great lie. [31:51] It was a big lie. [31:52] President Obama said, [31:53] you keep your doctor, [31:54] you keep your plan. [31:55] The whole thing was a fraud, [31:56] and it doesn't work. [31:57] But when we get rid of those lines, [31:58] you will have competition, [32:00] and we will be able to keep preexisting. [32:02] We'll also be able to help people [32:04] that can't get, don't have money, [32:06] because we are going to have people protected. [32:08] And Republicans feel this way, [32:10] believe it or not, [32:11] and strongly this way. [32:13] We're gonna block grant into the states. [32:15] We're gonna block grant into Medicaid, [32:17] into the states... [32:18] Thank you, Mr. Trump. [32:19] ...so that we will be able [32:20] to take care of people [32:21] without the necessary funds [32:23] to take care of themselves. [32:24] Thank you, Mr. Trump. [32:25] We now go to Gurba Hamid [32:26] with a question for both candidates. [32:29] Hi. [32:31] There are 3.3 million Muslims [32:33] in the United States, [32:34] and I'm one of them. [32:35] You've mentioned working [32:37] with Muslim nations, [32:39] but with Islamophobia on the rise, [32:41] how will you help people like me [32:43] deal with the consequences [32:44] of being labeled as a threat [32:46] to the country [32:47] after the election is over? [32:48] Mr. Trump, you're first. [32:50] Well, you're right about that. [32:51] Well, you're right about Islamophobia, [32:53] and that's a shame. [32:54] But one thing we have to do [32:57] is we have to make sure that... [32:59] Because there is a problem. [33:01] I mean, whether we like it or not, [33:03] and we can be very politically correct, [33:05] but whether we like it or not, [33:06] there is a problem. [33:07] And we have to be sure [33:09] that Muslims come in and report [33:11] when they see something going on. [33:13] When they see hatred going on, [33:14] they have to report it. [33:15] As an example, in San Bernardino, [33:17] many people saw the bombs [33:19] all over the apartment [33:20] of the two people that killed 14 [33:21] and wounded many, many people. [33:23] Horribly wounded. [33:24] They'll never be the same. [33:26] Muslims have to report [33:28] the problems when they see them. [33:31] And, you know, there's always [33:34] a reason for everything. [33:36] If they don't do that, [33:37] it's a very difficult situation [33:39] for our country. [33:40] Because you look at Orlando, [33:42] and you look at San Bernardino, [33:44] and you look at the World Trade Center, [33:45] go outside, you look at Paris, [33:47] look at that horrible... [33:48] These are radical Islamic terrorists. [33:51] And she, [33:52] won't even mention the word. [33:54] And nor will President Obama. [33:56] He won't use the term [33:57] radical Islamic terrorism. [33:59] Now, to solve a problem, [34:01] you have to be able to state [34:03] what the problem is [34:04] or at least say the name. [34:06] She won't say the name, [34:08] and President Obama [34:09] won't say the name. [34:10] But the name is there. [34:12] It's radical Islamic terror. [34:14] And before you solve it, [34:16] you have to say the name. [34:17] Secretary Clinton. [34:19] Well, thank you [34:20] for asking your question. [34:22] And I've heard this question [34:23] from a lot of Muslim Americans [34:25] across our country. [34:27] Because, unfortunately, [34:30] there's been a lot of [34:32] very divisive, dark things [34:35] said about Muslims. [34:36] And even someone like Captain Khan, [34:40] the young man who sacrificed himself [34:42] defending our country [34:44] in the United States Army, [34:46] has been subject to attack by Donald. [34:48] I want to say just a couple of things. [34:50] First, we've had Muslims in America [34:52] since George Washington. [34:53] And we've had many successes [34:56] and successful Muslims. [34:58] We just lost a particularly well-known one [35:01] with Muhammad Ali. [35:05] My vision of America [35:06] is an America where everyone has a place. [35:10] If you're willing to work hard, [35:12] you do your part, [35:13] you contribute to the community, [35:16] that's what America is. [35:17] That's what we want America to be [35:18] for our children and our grandchildren. [35:20] It's also very short-sighted [35:23] and even dangerous [35:24] to be engaging in the kind of [35:26] demagogic rhetoric that Donald has [35:28] about Muslims. [35:29] We need American Muslims [35:30] to be part of our eyes and ears, [35:33] on our front lines. [35:34] I've worked with a lot of different [35:36] Muslim groups around America. [35:38] I've met with a lot of them. [35:40] And I've heard how important it is [35:42] for them to feel that they are wanted [35:44] and included and part of our country, [35:47] part of our homeland security. [35:50] And that's what I want to see. [35:53] It's also important, [35:54] I intend to defeat ISIS, [35:56] to do so in a coalition [35:58] with majority Muslim nations. [36:00] Right now, a lot of those nations [36:02] are hearing what Donald says [36:04] and wondering, [36:05] why should we cooperate [36:06] with the Americans? [36:07] And this is a gift to ISIS [36:10] and the terrorists. [36:11] Violent, jihadist terrorists. [36:14] We are not at war with Islam. [36:16] And it is a mistake [36:19] and it plays into the hands [36:20] of the terrorists [36:21] to act as though we are. [36:23] So I want a country [36:25] where citizens like you [36:27] and your family [36:28] are just as welcome [36:29] as anyone else. [36:30] Thank you, Secretary Clinton. [36:32] Mr. Trump, in December, [36:33] you said this. [36:34] Donald J. Trump is calling [36:36] for a total and complete shutdown [36:38] of Muslims entering the United States [36:40] until our country's representatives [36:42] can figure out [36:43] what the hell is going on. [36:45] We have no choice. [36:46] We have no choice. [36:48] Your running mate said this week [36:50] that the Muslim ban [36:51] is no longer your position. [36:53] Is that correct? [36:54] And if it is, [36:55] was it a mistake [36:56] to have a religious test? [36:58] First of all, [36:59] Captain Khan, [37:00] is an American hero. [37:02] And if I were president [37:04] at that time, [37:05] he would be alive today [37:06] because unlike her [37:08] who voted for the war [37:09] without knowing [37:10] what she was doing, [37:11] I would not have had [37:14] our people in Iraq. [37:15] Iraq was a disaster. [37:17] So he would have been alive today. [37:20] The Muslim ban is something [37:21] that in some form [37:24] has morphed into [37:25] an extreme vetting [37:27] from certain areas of the world. [37:28] Hillary Clinton wants to allow... [37:31] And why did it morph into this? [37:33] Why did it morph into that? [37:35] No, did you... [37:36] No, answer the question. [37:37] Do you still believe... [37:38] Why don't you interrupt her? [37:39] I do. [37:40] You interrupt me all the time. [37:41] Why don't you interrupt her? [37:42] Would you please explain [37:43] whether or not [37:44] the Muslim ban still stands? [37:45] It's called extreme vetting. [37:48] We are going to areas like Syria [37:50] where they're coming in [37:52] by the tens of thousands [37:54] because of Barack Obama. [37:56] And Hillary Clinton wants to allow [37:58] a 550% increase over Obama [38:02] people are coming into our country [38:04] like we have no idea [38:06] who they are, [38:07] where they're from, [38:09] what their feelings about our country is. [38:11] And she wants 550% more. [38:14] This is going to be [38:15] the great Trojan horse of all time. [38:17] We have enough problems in this country. [38:19] I believe in building safe zones. [38:21] I believe in having other people pay for them. [38:23] As an example, [38:24] the Gulf states [38:25] who are not carrying their weight [38:26] but they have nothing but money [38:28] and take care of people. [38:29] But I don't want to have, [38:31] with all the problems this country has [38:33] and all of the problems [38:34] that you see going on, [38:35] hundreds of thousands of people [38:37] coming in from Syria [38:38] when we know nothing about them. [38:40] We know nothing about their values [38:42] and we know nothing about their love [38:44] for our country. [38:45] And Secretary Clinton, [38:46] let me ask you about that. [38:48] Because you have asked for an increase [38:50] from 10 to 65,000 Syrian refugees. [38:54] We know you want tougher vetting. [38:57] That's not a perfect system. [39:00] So why take the risk [39:01] of having those refugees come into the country? [39:03] Well, first of all, [39:04] I will not let anyone into our country [39:06] that I think poses a risk to us. [39:09] But there are a lot of refugees, [39:12] women and children. [39:13] Think of that picture we all saw [39:15] of that four-year-old boy [39:16] with the blood on his forehead [39:18] because he'd been bombed [39:19] by the Russian and Syrian air forces. [39:22] There are children suffering [39:26] in this catastrophic war, [39:29] largely, I believe, [39:30] because of Russia's [39:32] aggression. [39:35] And we need to do our part. [39:37] We, by no means, [39:38] are carrying anywhere near [39:40] the load that Europe and others are. [39:42] But we will have vetting [39:44] that is as tough as it needs to be [39:47] from our professionals, [39:49] our intelligence experts and others. [39:52] But it is important for us [39:55] as a policy [39:58] not to say, as Donald has said, [40:01] we're going to ban people [40:02] based on a religion. [40:03] How do you do that? [40:05] We are a country founded [40:06] on religious freedom and liberty. [40:09] How do we do what he has advocated [40:13] without causing great distress [40:16] within our own country? [40:18] Are we going to have religious tests [40:20] when people fly into our country? [40:22] And how do we expect to be able [40:26] to implement those? [40:28] So I thought that what he said [40:30] was extremely unwise [40:33] and even dangerous. [40:34] And indeed, [40:36] you can look at the propaganda [40:38] on a lot of the terrorist sites [40:40] and what Donald Trump says [40:42] about Muslims [40:44] is used to recruit fighters [40:48] because they want to create [40:51] a war between us. [40:53] And the final thing I would say, [40:54] this is the 10th or 12th time [40:56] that he's denied [40:57] being for the war in Iraq. [40:59] We have it on tape. [41:00] The entire press corps [41:02] has looked at it. [41:03] It's been debunked, [41:04] but it never stops him [41:05] from saying, [41:06] whatever he wants to say. [41:07] Has not been debunked. [41:09] Has not been debunked. [41:10] Go to HillaryClinton.com [41:11] and you can see it. [41:12] I was against the war in Iraq. [41:14] Has not been debunked. [41:15] And you voted for it [41:16] and you shouldn't have. [41:18] There's been lots of fact checking on that. [41:20] I'd like to move on [41:21] to an online question. [41:22] She just went about 25 seconds [41:24] over her time. [41:25] Could I just respond to this, please? [41:27] Very quickly, please. [41:28] Hillary Clinton, [41:29] in terms of having people [41:30] come into our country, [41:31] we have many criminal illegal aliens. [41:34] When we want to send them back, [41:35] to their country, [41:36] their country says, [41:37] we don't want them. [41:38] In some cases, [41:39] they're murderers, [41:40] drug lords, [41:41] drug problems. [41:42] And they don't want them. [41:43] And Hillary Clinton, [41:45] when she was Secretary of State, [41:46] said, that's okay. [41:47] We can't force it [41:48] into their country. [41:49] Let me tell you, [41:50] I'm going to force them [41:51] right back into their country. [41:52] They're murderers [41:53] and some very bad people. [41:54] And I will tell you, [41:55] very strongly, [41:56] when Bernie Sanders [41:57] said she had bad judgment, [41:58] she has really bad judgment [41:59] because we are letting people [42:01] into this country [42:02] that are going to cause problems [42:03] and crime [42:04] like you've never seen. [42:05] We're running out [42:06] of drugs. [42:07] We're also letting drugs [42:08] pour through [42:09] our southern border [42:10] at a record clip. [42:11] At a record clip. [42:12] And it shouldn't be allowed [42:14] to happen. [42:15] ICE just endorsed me. [42:17] They've never endorsed [42:18] a presidential candidate. [42:19] The Border Patrol agents, [42:21] 16,500 just recently endorsed me. [42:24] And they endorsed me [42:26] because I understand the border. [42:28] She doesn't. [42:29] She wants amnesty for everybody. [42:30] Come right in. [42:31] Come right over. [42:33] It's a horrible thing she's doing. [42:35] She's got bad judgment [42:36] and, honestly, [42:37] so bad that she should never [42:39] be president of the United States. [42:41] That I can tell you. [42:42] Thank you, Mr. Trump. [42:43] I want to move on. [42:44] This next question comes [42:45] from the public [42:46] through the bipartisan [42:47] Open Debate Coalition's [42:49] online forum [42:50] where Americans submitted questions [42:52] that generated millions of votes. [42:54] This question involves [42:55] WikiLeaks' release [42:56] of purported excerpts [42:58] of Secretary Clinton's [42:59] paid speeches [43:00] which she has refused to release. [43:02] And one line in particular [43:04] in which you, Secretary Clinton, [43:05] purportedly say [43:07] you need both a public [43:09] and private position [43:11] on certain issues. [43:12] So, two from Virginia asks, [43:15] is it okay for politicians [43:18] to be two-faced? [43:19] Is it acceptable for a politician [43:21] to have a private stance [43:23] on issues? [43:24] Secretary Clinton, [43:25] your two minutes. [43:26] Right. [43:27] As I recall, [43:29] that was something I said [43:32] about Abraham Lincoln [43:34] after having seen [43:36] the wonderful Steven Spielberg movie [43:38] called Lincoln. [43:39] It was a master class [43:43] watching President Lincoln [43:45] get the Congress to approve [43:47] the 13th Amendment. [43:49] It was principled [43:50] and it was strategic. [43:52] And I was making the point [43:54] that it is hard sometimes [43:56] to get the Congress [43:57] to do what you want to do. [43:59] And you have to keep working at it. [44:02] And yes, President Lincoln [44:04] was trying to convince some people. [44:06] He used some arguments. [44:08] Convincing other people, [44:09] he used other arguments. [44:10] That was a great, [44:12] I thought, a great display [44:15] of presidential leadership. [44:17] But, you know, let's talk about [44:18] what's really going on here, Martha, [44:20] because our intelligence community [44:24] just came out and said [44:25] in the last few days [44:27] that the Kremlin, [44:29] meaning Putin [44:30] and the Russian government, [44:32] are directing the attack [44:35] the hacking on American accounts [44:38] to influence our election. [44:40] And WikiLeaks is part of that [44:42] as are other sites [44:44] where the Russians hack information. [44:47] We don't even know [44:48] if it's accurate information. [44:49] And then they put it out. [44:51] We have never in the history [44:53] of our country [44:55] been in a situation [44:56] where an adversary, [44:58] a foreign power, [44:59] is working so hard [45:01] to influence the outcome [45:02] of the election. [45:03] And believe me, [45:04] they're not doing it [45:06] to get me elected. [45:07] They're doing it [45:08] to try to influence [45:09] the election for Donald Trump. [45:11] Now, maybe because [45:12] he has praised Putin, [45:13] maybe because he says [45:15] he agrees with a lot [45:16] of what Putin wants to do, [45:17] maybe because he wants [45:18] to do business in Moscow. [45:19] I don't know the reasons. [45:21] But we deserve answers. [45:23] And we should demand [45:24] that Donald release [45:25] all of his tax returns [45:27] so that people can see [45:29] what are the entanglements [45:31] and the financial relationships. [45:33] And we're going to get to that. [45:34] We're going to get to that later. [45:35] Secretary Clinton, [45:36] you're out of time. [45:37] Well, I think I should respond [45:38] because it's so ridiculous. [45:40] Look, now she's blaming... [45:43] She got caught in a total lie. [45:45] Her papers went out [45:46] to all her friends at the banks, [45:47] Goldman Sachs, [45:48] and everybody else. [45:49] And she said things, [45:50] WikiLeaks, [45:51] that just came out. [45:54] And she lied. [45:55] Now she's blaming the lie [45:57] on the late, great Abraham Lincoln. [46:00] That's one that I haven't... [46:01] Okay, honest Abe. [46:03] Honest Abe never lied. [46:04] That's the good thing. [46:05] That's the big difference [46:06] between Abraham Lincoln and you. [46:08] That's a big, big difference. [46:10] We're talking about some difference. [46:12] But as far as other elements [46:16] of what she was saying, [46:17] I don't know, Putin. [46:18] I think it would be great [46:19] if we got along with Russia [46:21] because we could fight ISIS together [46:23] as an example. [46:24] But I don't know, Putin. [46:25] But I notice any time [46:26] anything wrong happens, [46:27] they like to say, [46:28] the Russians... [46:29] She doesn't know [46:30] if it's the Russians [46:31] doing the hacking. [46:32] Maybe there is no hacking. [46:33] But they always blame Russia. [46:34] And the reason they blame Russia [46:35] because they think [46:36] they're trying to tarnish me [46:37] with Russia. [46:38] I know nothing about Russia. [46:39] I know about Russia, [46:40] but I know nothing [46:41] about the inner workings of Russia. [46:42] I don't deal there. [46:43] I have no businesses there. [46:44] I have no loans from Russia. [46:45] I have a very, very great balance sheet. [46:46] So great that when I did [46:47] the old post office [46:48] on Pennsylvania Avenue, [46:49] the United States government, [46:50] because of my balance sheet, [46:51] which they actually know very well, [46:52] chose me to do [46:53] the old post office [46:54] between the White House [46:55] and Congress, [46:56] chose me to do [46:57] the old post office [46:58] between the White House [46:59] and Congress, [47:00] chose me to do [47:01] the old post office [47:02] between the White House [47:03] and Congress, [47:04] chose me to do [47:05] the old post office. [47:06] One of the primary things, [47:07] in fact, [47:08] perhaps the primary thing [47:09] was balance sheet. [47:10] But I have no loans [47:11] with Russia. [47:12] You could go to [47:13] the United States government [47:14] and they would probably [47:15] tell you that [47:16] because they know [47:17] my sheet very well [47:18] in order to get [47:19] that development [47:20] I had to have. [47:21] Now, the taxes [47:22] are a very simple thing. [47:23] As soon as I have, [47:24] first of all, [47:25] I pay hundreds of millions [47:26] of dollars in taxes. [47:27] Many of her friends [47:29] took bigger deductions. [47:31] Warren Buffett [47:32] took a massive deduction. [47:34] Soros, [47:35] who's a friend of hers, [47:36] took a massive deduction. [47:37] Many of the people [47:38] that are giving her [47:39] all this money [47:40] that she can do [47:41] many more commercials [47:42] than me, [47:43] took massive deductions. [47:44] I pay hundreds of millions [47:45] of dollars in taxes, [47:46] but as soon as my [47:47] routine audit's finished, [47:48] I'll release my returns. [47:49] I'll be very proud to. [47:50] Thank you, Mr. Trump. [47:51] We're on a turn, [47:52] actually, [47:53] on the topic of taxes. [47:54] We have a question [47:55] from Spencer Moss. [47:56] Spencer? [47:57] Good evening. [47:58] My question is, [47:59] what specific tax provisions [48:04] will you change [48:05] to ensure [48:06] the well-being [48:07] of the people [48:08] of the United States [48:09] will be changed [48:10] to ensure [48:11] the wealthiest Americans [48:12] pay their fair share [48:13] in taxes? [48:14] Mr. Trump, [48:15] you have two minutes. [48:16] Well, one thing I do [48:17] is get rid [48:18] of carried interest. [48:19] One of the greatest provisions [48:20] for people like me, [48:21] to be honest with you. [48:23] I give up a lot [48:24] when I run [48:25] because I knock out [48:26] the tax code. [48:27] And she could have done [48:28] this years ago, [48:29] by the way. [48:30] She's a United States, [48:31] she was a United States senator. [48:32] She complains [48:33] that Donald Trump [48:34] took advantage [48:35] of the tax code. [48:36] Well, [48:37] why didn't she change it? [48:38] Why didn't you change it [48:39] when I do? [48:40] You have provisions [48:41] in the tax code [48:42] that, frankly, [48:43] we could change. [48:44] But you wouldn't change it [48:45] because all of these people [48:46] give you the money [48:47] so you can take [48:48] negative ads [48:49] on Donald Trump. [48:50] But, [48:52] and I say that [48:53] about a lot of things. [48:54] You know, [48:55] I've heard Hillary [48:56] complaining about [48:57] so many different things [48:58] over the years. [48:59] I wish you had done this. [49:00] But she's been there [49:01] for 30 years. [49:02] She's been doing this stuff. [49:03] She never changed [49:04] and she never will change. [49:05] She never will change. [49:06] We're getting rid [49:07] of carried interest provisions. [49:08] I'm lowering taxes, [49:09] actually, [49:10] because we have corporations [49:11] leaving, [49:12] massive corporations [49:13] and little ones. [49:14] Little ones can't form. [49:15] We're getting rid [49:16] of regulations, [49:17] which goes hand in hand [49:18] with the lowering [49:19] of the taxes. [49:20] But we're bringing [49:21] the tax rate down [49:22] from 35% [49:23] to 15%. [49:24] We're cutting taxes [49:25] for the middle class. [49:26] And I will tell you, [49:27] we are cutting them [49:28] big league [49:29] for the middle class. [49:30] And I will tell you, [49:31] Hillary Clinton [49:32] is raising your taxes, folks. [49:33] You can look at me. [49:34] She's raising your taxes [49:35] really high. [49:37] And what that's going to do [49:39] is a disaster [49:40] for the country. [49:41] But she is raising your taxes [49:42] and I'm lowering your taxes. [49:44] That in itself [49:45] is a big difference. [49:46] We are going to be [49:47] thriving again. [49:48] We have no growth [49:49] in this country. [49:50] There's no growth. [49:51] If China has a GDP [49:53] of 7%, [49:54] it's like a national catastrophe. [49:56] We're down at 1%. [49:58] And that's like no growth. [50:01] And we're going lower, [50:02] in my opinion. [50:03] And a lot of it [50:04] has to do with the fact [50:05] that our taxes are so high, [50:06] just about the highest [50:07] in the world. [50:08] And I'm bringing them [50:09] down to one of the lower [50:11] in the world. [50:12] And I think it's so important, [50:13] one of the most important [50:14] things we can do. [50:15] But she is raising [50:16] everybody's taxes massively. [50:18] Secretary Clinton, [50:19] you have two minutes. [50:20] The question was, [50:21] what specific tax provisions [50:22] will you change [50:23] to ensure the wealthiest Americans [50:24] pay their fair share of taxes? [50:25] Well, everything you've heard [50:27] just now from Donald [50:28] is not true. [50:29] I'm sorry [50:31] I have to keep saying this, [50:32] but he lives [50:33] in an alternative reality. [50:35] And it is sort of amusing [50:37] to hear somebody [50:38] who hasn't paid [50:39] federal income taxes [50:40] in maybe 20 years [50:41] talking about what [50:42] he's going to do. [50:43] But I'll tell you [50:44] what he's going to do. [50:45] His plan will give [50:46] the wealthy and corporations [50:48] the biggest tax cuts [50:50] they've ever had. [50:51] More than the Bush tax cuts [50:53] by at least a factor of two. [50:55] Donald always takes care of Donald [50:57] and people like Donald. [50:59] And this would be [51:00] a massive gift. [51:01] And indeed, [51:02] the way that he talks [51:04] about his tax cuts [51:05] would end up raising taxes [51:07] on middle class families. [51:09] Millions of middle class families. [51:11] Now, here's what I want to do. [51:13] I have said [51:14] nobody who makes [51:15] less than $250,000 a year [51:17] and that's the vast majority [51:18] of Americans, as you know, [51:20] will have their taxes raised. [51:21] Because I think [51:22] we've got to go [51:23] where the money is. [51:24] And the money is with people [51:25] who've taken advantage [51:26] of every single break [51:28] in the tax code. [51:29] And yes, when I was a senator, [51:30] I did vote [51:31] to close corporate loopholes. [51:33] I voted to close, [51:35] I think, one of the loopholes [51:36] he took advantage of [51:37] when he claimed [51:38] a billion dollar tax [51:39] for a lower loss [51:41] that enabled him [51:42] to avoid paying taxes. [51:43] I want to have [51:44] a tax on people [51:46] who are making [51:47] a million dollars. [51:48] It's called [51:49] the Buffett Rule. [51:50] Yes, Warren Buffett [51:51] is the one [51:52] who's gone out and said [51:53] somebody like him [51:54] should not be paying [51:55] a lower tax rate [51:56] than his secretary. [51:57] I want to have [51:58] a surcharge [51:59] on incomes [52:00] above $5 million. [52:01] We have to make up [52:02] for lost times [52:03] because I want [52:04] to invest in you. [52:05] I want to invest [52:06] in hardworking families. [52:07] And I think [52:08] it's been unfortunate [52:09] but it's happened [52:11] that since [52:12] the Great Recession [52:13] the gains [52:14] have all gone [52:15] to the top. [52:16] And we need [52:17] to reverse that. [52:18] People like Donald [52:19] who paid zero in taxes, [52:20] zero for our vets, [52:21] zero for our military, [52:23] zero for health [52:24] and education, [52:25] that is wrong. [52:26] And we're going [52:27] to make sure [52:28] that nobody, [52:29] no corporation [52:30] and no individual [52:31] can get away [52:32] without paying [52:33] his fair share [52:34] to support [52:35] our country. [52:36] Mr. Trump, [52:37] I want to give [52:38] the chance to respond. [52:39] I want to ask [52:40] our viewers [52:41] what she's referring to. [52:42] In the last month, [52:43] taxes were the number [52:44] one issue on Facebook [52:45] for the first time [52:46] in the campaign. [52:47] The New York Times [52:48] published three pages [52:49] of your 1995 tax returns. [52:50] They show you claimed [52:51] a $916 million loss, [52:52] which means [52:53] you could have avoided [52:54] paying personal [52:55] federal income taxes [52:56] for years. [52:57] You've said [52:58] you pay state taxes, [52:59] employee taxes, [53:00] real estate taxes, [53:01] property taxes. [53:02] You have not answered, [53:03] though, [53:04] a simple question. [53:05] Did you use [53:06] that $916 million loss [53:07] to avoid paying [53:08] personal federal income taxes? [53:09] And so do all [53:10] of her donors [53:11] or most of her donors. [53:12] I know many of her donors. [53:13] Her donors took [53:14] massive tax write-offs. [53:15] So have you not paid [53:16] personal federal income taxes? [53:17] A lot of my write-off [53:18] was depreciation [53:19] and other things [53:20] that Hillary, [53:21] as a senator, [53:22] allowed. [53:23] And she'll always allow it [53:24] because the people [53:25] that give her [53:26] all this money, [53:27] they want it. [53:28] That's why. [53:29] See, I understand [53:30] the tax code [53:31] better than anybody [53:32] that's ever run [53:33] for president. [53:34] Hillary Clinton [53:35] — and it's extremely complex — [53:36] Hillary Clinton [53:37] has friends [53:38] who have [53:39] carried interest [53:40] provision, [53:41] which is very important [53:42] to Wall Street people, [53:43] but they really want [53:44] the carried interest [53:45] provision, [53:46] which I believe [53:47] Hillary's leaving. [53:48] It's very interesting [53:49] why she's leaving [53:50] carried interest. [53:51] But I will tell you [53:52] that, number one, [53:53] I pay tremendous [53:54] numbers of taxes. [53:55] I absolutely used it. [53:56] And so did [53:57] Warren Buffett [53:58] and so did [53:59] George Soros [54:00] and so did [54:01] many of the other people [54:02] that Hillary [54:03] is getting money from. [54:04] Now, [54:05] I won't mention [54:06] their names [54:07] because they're rich, [54:08] but I will mention [54:09] the names [54:10] of the people [54:11] who have [54:12] paid taxes [54:13] for the last [54:14] 10 years. [54:15] Can you say [54:16] how many years [54:17] you have avoided [54:18] paying personal [54:19] federal income taxes? [54:20] No, [54:21] but I pay tax [54:22] and I pay federal tax, [54:23] too. [54:24] But I have a write-off. [54:25] A lot of it's depreciation, [54:26] which is a wonderful [54:27] charge. [54:28] I love depreciation. [54:29] You know, [54:30] she's given it to us. [54:31] Hey, [54:32] if she had a problem [54:33] for 30 years [54:34] she's been doing this, [54:35] Anderson. [54:36] I say it all the time. [54:37] With her, [54:38] it's all talk [54:39] and no action. [54:40] And again, [54:41] Bernie Sanders, [54:42] it's really [54:43] bad judgment. [54:44] She has made [54:45] bad judgment [54:46] not only on taxes, [54:47] she's made [54:48] bad judgments [54:49] on Libya, [54:50] on Syria, [54:51] on Iraq. [54:52] I mean, [54:53] her and Obama, [54:54] whether you like it or not, [54:55] the way they got [54:56] out of Iraq, [54:57] the vacuum [54:58] they've left, [54:59] that's why ISIS [55:00] formed in the first place. [55:01] They started [55:02] from that little area [55:03] and now they're [55:04] in 32 [55:05] different nations, [55:06] Hillary. [55:07] Congratulations. [55:08] Great job. [55:09] Won't you be able [55:10] to respond, [55:14] Secretary Clinton? [55:15] Well, [55:16] here we go again. [55:17] I've been in favor [55:18] of getting rid [55:19] of carried interests [55:20] for years, [55:21] starting when I was [55:22] a senator from New York. [55:23] But that's not [55:24] the point here. [55:25] Why didn't you do it? [55:26] Why didn't you do it? [55:27] Because I was a senator [55:28] with a Republican president. [55:29] Oh, really? [55:30] I will be the president [55:31] who will get it done. [55:32] You could have done it. [55:33] If you were an effective [55:34] senator, [55:35] you could have done it. [55:36] If you were an effective [55:37] senator, [55:38] you could have done it. [55:39] But you were not [55:40] an effective [55:41] senator. [55:42] Well, [55:43] the Constitution [55:45] presidents have [55:46] something called [55:47] veto power. [55:48] Look, [55:49] he has now said [55:50] repeatedly, [55:51] 30 years this [55:52] and 30 years that. [55:53] So let me talk [55:54] about my 30 years [55:55] in public service. [55:57] I'm very glad [55:58] to do so. [55:59] Eight million kids [56:00] every year [56:01] have health insurance [56:02] because when I was [56:03] First Lady, [56:04] I worked with [56:05] Democrats and Republicans [56:06] to create the Children's [56:07] Health Insurance Program. [56:08] Hundreds of thousands [56:10] of kids now [56:11] have a chance [56:12] to be adopted [56:13] into the health care [56:14] system. [56:15] After 9-11, [56:16] I went to work [56:17] with Republican [56:18] mayor, [56:19] governor, [56:20] and president [56:21] to rebuild New York [56:22] and to get health care [56:23] for our first responders [56:24] who were suffering [56:25] because they had [56:26] run toward danger [56:27] and gotten sickened [56:28] by it. [56:29] Hundreds of thousands [56:30] of National Guard [56:31] and Reserve members [56:32] have health care [56:33] because of work [56:34] that I did. [56:35] And children [56:36] have safer medicines [56:37] because I was able [56:38] to pass a law [56:39] that required [56:40] the dosing [56:41] to be more [56:42] effective. [56:43] When I was [56:44] Secretary of State, [56:45] I went around [56:46] the world [56:47] advocating for [56:48] our country [56:49] but also advocating [56:50] for women's rights [56:51] to make sure [56:52] that women [56:53] had a decent [56:55] chance [56:56] to have [56:57] a better life [56:58] and negotiated [56:59] a treaty [57:00] with Russia [57:01] to lower [57:03] nuclear weapons. [57:04] 400 pieces [57:05] of legislation [57:06] have my name [57:07] on it [57:08] as a sponsor [57:09] or co-sponsor [57:10] when I was [57:11] a senator [57:12] for eight years. [57:13] I'm proud [57:14] to be [57:15] elected [57:16] to New York [57:17] by an even [57:19] bigger margin [57:20] than I had [57:21] been elected [57:22] the first time. [57:23] And as President, [57:24] I will take [57:25] that work, [57:26] that bipartisan [57:27] work, [57:28] that finding [57:29] common ground [57:30] because you have [57:31] to be able [57:32] to get along [57:33] with people [57:34] to get things [57:35] done in Washington. [57:36] And I've proven [57:37] that I can [57:38] and for 30 years [57:39] I've produced [57:40] results for people. [57:41] We're going [57:42] to move on [57:43] as a senator. [57:44] Mr. Trump, [57:45] we're going [57:47] to move on. [57:48] The heartbreaking [57:49] video of a five-year-old [57:50] Syrian boy named [57:51] Amran sitting [57:52] in an ambulance [57:53] after being pulled [57:54] from the rubble [57:55] after an airstrike [57:56] in Aleppo [57:57] focused the world's [57:58] attention [57:59] on the horrors [58:00] of the war [58:01] in Syria [58:02] with 136 million [58:03] views [58:04] on Facebook [58:05] alone. [58:06] But there are [58:07] much worse images [58:08] coming out of Aleppo [58:09] every day now [58:10] where in the past [58:11] few weeks alone [58:12] 400 people [58:13] have lost [58:14] their lives [58:15] and children. [58:16] Just days ago [58:17] the State Department [58:18] called for a war crimes [58:19] investigation [58:20] of the Syrian regime [58:21] of Bashar al-Assad [58:22] and its ally [58:23] Russia [58:24] for their bombardment [58:25] of Aleppo. [58:26] So this next question [58:27] comes from [58:28] social media [58:29] through Facebook. [58:30] Diane from Pennsylvania [58:31] asks, [58:32] if you were president [58:33] what would you do [58:34] about Syria [58:35] and the humanitarian [58:36] crisis [58:37] in Aleppo? [58:38] Isn't it a lot [58:39] like the Holocaust [58:40] when the U.S. [58:41] waited too long [58:42] before we helped? [58:43] Secretary Clinton [58:44] we will begin [58:45] with your two minutes. [58:46] Well the situation [58:47] in Syria [58:48] is catastrophic [58:49] and every day [58:51] that goes by [58:52] we see the results [58:53] of the regime [58:54] by Assad [58:55] in partnership [58:56] with the Iranians [58:57] on the ground [58:58] the Russians [58:59] in the air [59:00] bombarding places [59:01] in particular [59:02] Aleppo [59:03] where there [59:04] are hundreds [59:05] of thousands [59:07] of people [59:08] probably about [59:09] 250,000 [59:10] still left [59:11] and there is [59:12] a determined effort [59:13] by the Russian [59:14] Air Force [59:15] to destroy [59:16] Aleppo [59:17] in order to [59:18] eliminate [59:19] the last [59:20] of the [59:21] Syrian rebels [59:23] who were really [59:24] holding out [59:25] against the Assad [59:26] regime. [59:27] Russia hasn't paid [59:28] any attention [59:29] to ISIS [59:30] they are interested [59:31] in keeping Assad [59:32] in power. [59:33] So I [59:34] when I was [59:35] Secretary of State [59:36] advocated [59:37] and I advocate [59:38] today [59:39] a no-fly zone [59:40] and safe zones [59:41] we need some [59:42] leverage [59:43] with the Russians [59:44] because they are [59:45] going to [59:46] come to the [59:47] negotiating [59:48] table [59:49] for a diplomatic [59:50] resolution [59:51] unless there is [59:52] some leverage [59:53] over them [59:54] and we have [59:55] to work [59:56] more closely [59:57] with our [59:58] partners [59:59] and allies [1:00:01] on the ground [1:00:02] but I want [1:00:04] to emphasize [1:00:05] that what [1:00:06] is at stake [1:00:07] here [1:00:08] is the ambitions [1:00:10] and the aggressiveness [1:00:11] of Russia. [1:00:12] Russia has [1:00:13] decided [1:00:14] that it's [1:00:15] all in [1:00:16] in Syria [1:00:17] and in the [1:00:18] United States [1:00:19] too [1:00:21] and it's [1:00:22] not me. [1:00:23] I've stood up [1:00:24] to Russia [1:00:25] I've taken [1:00:26] on Putin [1:00:27] and others [1:00:28] and I would [1:00:29] do that [1:00:30] as President. [1:00:31] I think [1:00:32] wherever we can [1:00:33] cooperate [1:00:34] with Russia [1:00:35] that's fine [1:00:36] and I did [1:00:37] as Secretary of State [1:00:38] that's how [1:00:39] we got [1:00:40] a treaty [1:00:41] reducing [1:00:42] nuclear weapons [1:00:43] it's how [1:00:44] we got [1:00:45] the sanctions [1:00:46] on Iran [1:00:47] to investigate [1:00:48] for crimes [1:00:49] war crimes [1:00:50] committed [1:00:51] by the Assyrians [1:00:52] and the Russians [1:00:53] and try to hold [1:00:54] them accountable. [1:00:55] Thank you Secretary Clinton. [1:00:56] First of all she was there [1:00:57] as Secretary of State [1:00:58] with the so called [1:00:59] line in the sand [1:01:00] which [1:01:01] No I wasn't [1:01:02] I was gone [1:01:03] I hate to interrupt you [1:01:04] but at some point [1:01:05] At some point [1:01:06] we need to do some [1:01:07] fact checking here. [1:01:08] You were in total contact [1:01:09] with the White House [1:01:10] and perhaps [1:01:11] sadly Obama [1:01:12] probably still [1:01:13] listened to you [1:01:14] I don't think [1:01:15] he'd be listening [1:01:16] I understand [1:01:17] it was [1:01:19] laughed at [1:01:20] all over the world [1:01:21] what happened [1:01:22] now with that being said [1:01:23] she talks tough [1:01:24] against Russia [1:01:25] but our [1:01:26] nuclear program [1:01:27] has fallen [1:01:28] way behind [1:01:29] and they've gone [1:01:31] wild with their [1:01:32] nuclear program [1:01:33] not good [1:01:34] our government [1:01:35] shouldn't have allowed [1:01:36] that to happen [1:01:37] Russia [1:01:38] is new [1:01:39] in terms of nuclear [1:01:40] we are old [1:01:41] we're tired [1:01:42] we're exhausted [1:01:43] in terms of nuclear [1:01:44] a very bad thing [1:01:45] now she talks tough [1:01:46] she talks really tough [1:01:47] against [1:01:48] Putin [1:01:49] and against [1:01:50] Assad [1:01:51] she talks in favor [1:01:52] of the rebels [1:01:53] she doesn't even know [1:01:54] who the rebels are [1:01:55] you know every time [1:01:56] we take [1:01:57] rebels [1:01:58] whether it's [1:01:59] in Iraq [1:02:00] or anywhere else [1:02:01] we're arming people [1:02:02] and you know what happens [1:02:03] they end up being [1:02:04] worse than the people [1:02:05] look at what she did [1:02:06] in Libya [1:02:07] with Gaddafi [1:02:08] Gaddafi's out [1:02:09] it's a mess [1:02:10] and by the way [1:02:11] ISIS has a good chunk [1:02:12] of their oil [1:02:13] I'm sure you probably [1:02:14] have heard that [1:02:15] it was a disaster [1:02:16] because the fact is [1:02:17] that Iran [1:02:18] in foreign policy [1:02:19] has been a mistake [1:02:20] and it's been a disaster [1:02:21] but if you look at Russia [1:02:22] just take a look at Russia [1:02:24] and look at what they did [1:02:25] this week [1:02:26] where I agree [1:02:27] she wasn't there [1:02:28] but possibly [1:02:29] she's consulted [1:02:30] we sign a peace treaty [1:02:31] everyone's all excited [1:02:32] but what Russia did [1:02:33] with Assad [1:02:34] and by the way [1:02:35] with Iran [1:02:36] who you made very powerful [1:02:37] with the dumbest deal [1:02:38] perhaps I've ever seen [1:02:39] in the history [1:02:40] of deal making [1:02:41] the Iran deal [1:02:42] with 150 billion dollars [1:02:43] with the 1.7 billion [1:02:44] in cash [1:02:45] which is enough cash [1:02:46] to fill up [1:02:47] this room [1:02:48] but look at [1:02:49] look at that deal [1:02:50] Iran now [1:02:51] and Russia [1:02:52] are now against us [1:02:53] so she wants to fight [1:02:55] she wants to fight [1:02:56] for rebels [1:02:57] there's only one problem [1:02:58] you don't even know [1:02:59] who the rebels are [1:03:00] so what's the purpose [1:03:01] and one thing [1:03:02] I have to say [1:03:03] I don't like Assad [1:03:04] at all [1:03:05] but Assad [1:03:06] is killing [1:03:07] ISIS [1:03:08] Russia [1:03:09] is killing [1:03:10] ISIS [1:03:11] and Iran [1:03:12] is killing [1:03:13] ISIS [1:03:14] and those three [1:03:15] have now lined up [1:03:16] because of our weak [1:03:17] economic ties [1:03:18] I have one question [1:03:19] I hope you'll answer [1:03:20] Mr Trump [1:03:21] let me repeat [1:03:23] the question [1:03:24] if you were President [1:03:25] what would you do [1:03:26] about Syria [1:03:27] and the humanitarian [1:03:28] crisis [1:03:29] in Aleppo [1:03:30] and I want to remind you [1:03:31] what your running mate [1:03:32] said [1:03:33] he said [1:03:34] provocations [1:03:35] by Russia [1:03:36] need to be met [1:03:37] with American strength [1:03:38] and that if Russia [1:03:39] continues to be involved [1:03:40] in airstrikes [1:03:41] along with the Syrian [1:03:42] government forces [1:03:43] of Assad [1:03:44] the United States [1:03:45] of America [1:03:46] should be prepared [1:03:47] military targets of the Assad regime okay he and I haven't spoken and I [1:03:52] disagree I disagree I think you're ready to knock out Isis right now Syria is [1:03:57] fighting Isis we have people that want to fight both at the same time but Syria [1:04:02] is no longer Syria Syria's Russia and it's Iran who she made strong and Kerry [1:04:06] and Obama made into a very powerful nation and a very rich nation very very [1:04:12] quickly very very quickly I believe we have to get Isis we have to worry about [1:04:19] Isis before we can get too much more involved she had a chance to do [1:04:23] something with Syria they had a chance and that was the line I think Aleppo is [1:04:29] a disaster humanitarian I think that it basically has fallen okay it basically [1:04:37] is fun let me tell you something you take a look at Mosul the biggest problem [1:04:40] I have with the stupidity [1:04:42] I think that it basically has fallen okay it basically has fallen let me tell you something you take a look at Mosul the biggest problem I have with the stupidity [1:04:42] of our foreign policy we have Mosul they think a lot of the Isis leaders are in [1:04:46] Mosul so we have announcements coming out of Washington and coming out of Iraq [1:04:50] we will be attacking Mosul in three weeks or four weeks well all of these [1:04:54] bad leaders from Isis are leaving Mosul why can't they do it quietly why can't [1:05:00] they do the attack make it a sneak attack and after the attack is made [1:05:05] inform the American public that we've knocked out the leaders we've had a [1:05:09] tremendous success people leave why do [1:05:12] they have to say we're going to be attacking Mosul within the next four to [1:05:15] six weeks which is what they're saying how stupid is our country there are [1:05:20] sometimes reasons the military does that psychological I can't think of any I [1:05:25] can't think of any and we have look I have 200 generals and admirals who [1:05:31] endorse me I have 21 congressional Medal of Honor recipients who endorse me [1:05:37] we talk about it all the time they understand why can't they do something [1:05:42] secretively where they go in and they knock out the leadership how why would [1:05:49] these people stay there I've been reading now for weeks about Mosul that [1:05:54] it's the harbor of where you know between Raqqa and Mosul this is where [1:05:58] they think the Isis leaders are why would they be saying they're not staying [1:06:02] there anymore they're gone because everybody's talking [1:06:06] about how Iraq which is us with our leadership goes in to fight Mosul now [1:06:12] there's 200 admirals and generals they can't believe it all I say is this [1:06:16] General George Patton General Douglas MacArthur are spinning in their grave at [1:06:22] the stupidity of what we're doing in the Middle East I'm going to go to Secretary [1:06:26] Clinton Secretary Clinton you want Assad to go you advocated arming Rebels but it [1:06:31] looks like that may be too late for Aleppo you talk about diplomatic efforts [1:06:35] those have failed ceasefires have failed would you introduce the threat of U.S [1:06:41] military force [1:06:42] beyond a no-fly zone against the Assad regime to back up diplomacy I would not [1:06:48] use American ground forces in Syria I think that would be a very serious [1:06:55] mistake I don't think American troops should be holding territory which is what [1:07:01] they would have to do as an occupying force I don't think that is a smart [1:07:06] strategy I do think the use of special forces which we're using the use of [1:07:12] enablers and trainers in Iraq which has had some positive effects are very much [1:07:18] in our interests and so I do support what is happening but let me what would [1:07:22] you do differently than President Obama is doing Martha I hope that by the time [1:07:27] I if I'm everything I hope by the time I am president that we will have pushed [1:07:33] Isis out of Iraq I do think that there is a good chance that we can take Mosul [1:07:40] uh and you know Donald says he knows more about Isis than the [1:07:42] generals no he doesn't uh there are a lot of very important planning going on [1:07:49] and some of it is to signal uh to the sunnis in the area as well as Kurdish [1:07:55] Peshmerga fighters that we all need to be in this and that takes a lot of [1:08:00] planning and preparation I would go after Baghdadi I would specifically [1:08:05] Target Baghdadi because I think our targeting of Al-Qaeda leaders and I was involved in a lot of [1:08:11] those operations [1:08:12] highly classified ones made a difference so I think that could help I would also consider [1:08:19] arming the Kurds the Kurds have been our best partners in Syria as well as Iraq and I know [1:08:27] there's a lot of concern about that in some circles but I think they should have the equipment they [1:08:32] need so that Kurdish and Arab fighters on the ground are the principal way that we take Raka [1:08:39] after pushing Isis out of Iraq thank you very much we're going to move [1:08:42] on she went over a minute over and you don't stop her when I go one second over [1:08:48] it's like you had many answers it's really very interesting we've got a question over [1:08:51] here from uh James Carter Mr Carter my question is do you believe you can be a devoted president [1:09:10] to all the people in the United States that question begins for Mr Trump absolutely I mean [1:09:18] uh she calls our people deplorable a large group [1:09:24] I will be a president for all of our people and I'll be a president that will turn our inner [1:09:31] cities around and will give strength to people and will give economics to people and will bring [1:09:37] jobs back because NAFTA signed by her husband is perhaps the greatest disaster trade deal in [1:09:43] the history of the world not in this country it stripped us of manufacturing jobs we lost our jobs [1:09:50] we lost our money we lost our plants it is a disaster and now she wants to sign [1:09:55] the CPP even though she says now she's for it she called it the gold standard and by the way at the [1:09:59] last debate she lied because it turned out that she did say the gold standard and she said she [1:10:04] didn't say it they actually said that she lied okay and she lied but she's lied about a lot of [1:10:10] things I would be a president for all of the people African Americans the inner cities devastating [1:10:18] what's happening to our inner cities she's been talking about it for years as usual she talks [1:10:23] about it nothing happens she doesn't get it done [1:10:26] same with the Latino Americans the Hispanic Americans the same exact thing they talk they [1:10:33] don't get it done you go into the inner cities and you see it's 45 percent poverty African Americans [1:10:39] now 45 percent poverty in the inner cities the education is a disaster jobs are essentially [1:10:47] non-existent I mean it's you know I and I've been saying at big speeches where I have 20 and [1:10:54] 30 000 people what do you have to lose [1:10:57] it can't get any worse and she's been talking about the inner cities for 25 years nothing's [1:11:03] going to ever happen let me tell you if she's president of the United States nothing's going [1:11:07] to happen it's just going to be talking all her friends the taxes we were talking about [1:11:10] and I would just get it by osmosis she's not doing any favors but by doing all the others [1:11:17] favors she's doing me favors Mr Trump thank you but I will tell you she's all talk it doesn't [1:11:23] get done all you have to do is take a look at her Senate run take a look at upstate New York [1:11:26] your two minutes is up Secretary Clinton two minutes [1:11:28] disaster you have two minutes Secretary Clinton well 67 percent of the people voted to re-elect [1:11:35] me when I ran for my second term and I was very proud and very humbled by that Mr Carter I have [1:11:43] tried my entire life to do what I can to support children and families you know right out of law [1:11:52] school I went to work for the children's defense fund and Donald talks a lot about you know the [1:11:58] 30 years I've been in public service I'm proud of that you know I started off as a young lawyer [1:12:04] working against discrimination against African American children in schools and in the criminal [1:12:09] justice system I work to make sure that kids with disabilities could get a public education [1:12:15] something that I care very much about I have worked with Latinos one of my first jobs in [1:12:22] politics was down in South Texas registering Latino citizens to be able to vote so I have [1:12:29] a deep devotion to use your absolutely correct word [1:12:34] making sure that every American feels like he or she has a place in our country [1:12:40] and I think when you look at the letters that I get a lot of people are worried that maybe they [1:12:47] wouldn't have a place in Donald Trump's America they write me and one woman wrote me about her [1:12:54] son Felix she adopted him from Ethiopia when he was a toddler he's 10 years old now this is the [1:12:59] only country he's ever known and he listens to Donald on TV and he said to his mother one day [1:13:05] will he send [1:13:06] me [1:13:06] back to Ethiopia if he gets elected you know children listen to what is being said to go [1:13:13] back to the very very first question and there's a lot of fear that in fact teachers and parents [1:13:19] are calling it the Trump effect bullying is up a lot of people are feeling you know uneasy a lot [1:13:25] of kids are expressing their concerns so first and foremost I will do everything I can to reach [1:13:32] out to everybody Democrats Republicans Independents people across our country if you don't vote for [1:13:38] me I'm still want to be your president president I can be for every American Secretary Clinton your [1:13:43] two minutes is up I want to follow up on something that Donald Trump actually said to you a comment [1:13:47] you made last month you said that half of Donald Trump supporters are quote deplorables racist sexist [1:13:52] homophobic xenophobic Islamophobic you later said you regretted saying half you didn't express [1:13:57] regret for using the term deplorable deplorables to Mr Carter's question how can you unite a country [1:14:02] if you've written off tens of millions of Americans well within hours I I said that I was sorry about [1:14:08] I talked about that because my argument is not with his supporters, it's with him and [1:14:14] with the hateful and divisive campaign that he has run and the inciting of violence at [1:14:20] his rallies and the very brutal kinds of comments about not just women, but all Americans, all [1:14:28] kinds of Americans. [1:14:30] And what he has said about African-Americans and Latinos, about Muslims, about POWs, about [1:14:39] immigrants, about people with disabilities, he's never apologized for. [1:14:44] And so I do think that a lot of the tone and tenor that he has said, I'm proud of the campaign [1:14:50] that Bernie Sanders and I ran. [1:14:52] We ran a campaign based on issues, not insults, and he is supporting me 100 percent because [1:14:58] we talked about what we wanted to do. [1:15:00] We might have had some differences. [1:15:01] Thank you, Secretary. [1:15:02] And we had a lot of debates, but we believed that we could make the country better. [1:15:06] And I was proud of that. [1:15:07] I want to give you a minute, 27. [1:15:08] We have a divided nation. [1:15:11] We have a very divided nation. [1:15:13] You look at Charlotte, you look at Baltimore, you look at the violence that's taking place [1:15:18] in the inner cities, Chicago, you take a look at Washington, D.C. [1:15:23] We have an increase in murder within our cities, the biggest in 45 years. [1:15:30] We have a divided nation. [1:15:31] We have a very divided country. [1:15:34] And when she says, okay, Americans, let's get this right, let's do our job. [1:15:38] We have to get to that point. [1:15:40] Because people like her, and believe me, she has tremendous hate in her heart. [1:15:44] And when she said deplorables, she meant it. [1:15:47] And when she said irredeemable, they're irredeemable. [1:15:50] You didn't mention that. [1:15:52] But when she said they're irredeemable, to me that might have been even worse. [1:15:57] She's got tremendous hatred. [1:16:00] And this country cannot take another four years of Barack Obama. [1:16:03] The most important characteristic of a good leader is discipline. [1:16:06] You said if a leader doesn't have it, quote, he or she won't be one for very long. [1:16:10] In the days after the first debate, you sent out a series of tweets from 3 a.m. to 5 a.m., [1:16:15] including one that told people to check out a sex tape. [1:16:17] Is that the discipline of a good leader? [1:16:19] No, it wasn't check out a sex tape. [1:16:20] It was just take a look at the person that she built up to be this wonderful Girl Scout [1:16:25] who was no Girl Scout. [1:16:26] You mentioned a sex tape. [1:16:27] By the way, just so you understand, when she said 3 o'clock in the morning, take a look [1:16:30] at Benghazi. [1:16:32] He said, who's going to answer the call at 3 o'clock in the morning? [1:16:34] Guess what? [1:16:36] She didn't answer, because when Ambassador Stevens 600 times, well, she said she was [1:16:42] awake at 3 o'clock in the morning. [1:16:44] And she also sent a tweet out at 3 o'clock in the morning, but I won't even mention that. [1:16:47] But she said she'll be awake. [1:16:48] Who's the famous thing? [1:16:50] We're going to answer our call at 3 o'clock in the morning. [1:16:51] Guess what happened? [1:16:52] Ambassador Stevens, Ambassador Stevens sent 600 requests for help. [1:16:59] And the only one she talked to was Sidney Blumenthal. [1:17:02] Who's her friend and not a good guy, by the way. [1:17:06] So you know, she shouldn't be talking about that. [1:17:09] Now, tweeting happens to be a modern day form of communication. [1:17:12] I mean, you can like it or not like it. [1:17:14] I have between Facebook and Twitter, I have almost 25 million people. [1:17:19] It's a very effective way of communication. [1:17:21] So you can put it down, but it is a very effective form of communication. [1:17:25] I'm not unproud of it, to be honest with you. [1:17:28] Secretary Clinton, does Mr. Trump have the discipline to be a good leader? [1:17:32] No. [1:17:33] Why do you hear that? [1:17:35] Well, it's not only my opinion. [1:17:39] It's the opinion of many others, national security experts, Republicans, former Republican [1:17:45] members of Congress. [1:17:47] But it's in part because those of us who have had the great privilege of seeing this job [1:17:55] up close and know how difficult it is. [1:17:58] And it's not just because I watched my husband take a $300 billion deficit and turn it into [1:18:04] a $200 billion surplus. [1:18:05] And 23 million new jobs were created, and incomes went up for everybody, everybody. [1:18:12] African-American incomes went up 33 percent. [1:18:15] And it's not just because I worked with George W. Bush after 9-11. [1:18:20] And I was very proud that when I told him what the city needed, what we needed to recover, [1:18:25] he said, you've got it. [1:18:26] And he never wavered. [1:18:27] He stuck with me. [1:18:29] And I have worked, and I admire President Obama. [1:18:32] He inherited the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. [1:18:35] Thank you. [1:18:36] Thank you, Secretary Clinton. [1:18:37] But now this is a terrible time for our country. [1:18:39] We have to move along. [1:18:40] Secretary Clinton who has— [1:18:41] 9 million people lost their jobs. [1:18:42] 5 million homes were lost. [1:18:43] Secretary Clinton, we're moving on. [1:18:44] $13 trillion in family wealth was wiped out. [1:18:47] We are back on the right track. [1:18:50] He would send us back into recession with his tax plans. [1:18:53] Secretary Clinton, we are moving to an audience question. [1:18:56] We're almost out of time. [1:18:57] We have another— [1:18:58] We have the slowest growth. [1:18:59] Mr. Trump, we're moving to an audience question. [1:19:01] Since 1929, it is— [1:19:02] Mr. Trump, Secretary Clinton, we want to get to the audience. [1:19:04] Our country has the slowest growth— [1:19:05] And jobs are a disaster. [1:19:06] Thank you very much, both of you. [1:19:11] We have another audience question. [1:19:13] Beth Miller has a question for both candidates. [1:19:18] Good evening. [1:19:19] Perhaps the most important aspect of this election is a Supreme Court justice. [1:19:24] What would you prioritize as the most important aspect of selecting a Supreme Court justice? [1:19:30] We begin with your two minutes, Secretary Clinton. [1:19:32] Thank you. [1:19:33] Well, you're right. [1:19:34] This is one of the most important issues in this election. [1:19:37] I want to appoint Supreme Court justices who understand the way the world really works, [1:19:44] who have real-life experience, who have not just been in a big law firm [1:19:49] and maybe clerked for a judge and then gotten on the bench, [1:19:53] but maybe they tried some more cases. [1:19:55] They actually understand what people are up against [1:19:58] because I think the current court has gone in the wrong direction. [1:20:01] And so I would want to see the Supreme Court reverse citizenship. [1:20:07] I would like the Supreme Court to stand united, [1:20:09] and get dark, unaccountable money out of our politics. [1:20:13] Donald doesn't agree with that. [1:20:15] I would like the Supreme Court to understand that voting rights are still a big problem [1:20:18] in many parts of our country, [1:20:20] that we don't always do everything we can to make it possible [1:20:24] for people of color and older people and young people to be able to exercise their franchise. [1:20:31] I want a Supreme Court that will stick with Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose. [1:20:36] And I want a Supreme Court that will say, [1:20:36] I want a Supreme Court that will not take a win. [1:20:37] stick with marriage equality. Now, Donald has put forth the names of some people that he would [1:20:42] consider, and among the ones that he has suggested are people who would reverse Roe v. Wade and [1:20:49] reverse marriage equality. I think that would be a terrible mistake and would take us backwards. [1:20:54] I want a Supreme Court that doesn't always side with corporate interests. I want a Supreme Court [1:21:00] that understands because you're wealthy and you can give more money to something doesn't mean you [1:21:04] have any more rights or should have any more rights than anybody else. So I have very clear [1:21:09] views about what I want to see to tend to change the balance on the Supreme Court. And I regret [1:21:16] deeply that the Senate has not done its job and they have not permitted a vote on the person that [1:21:22] President Obama, a highly qualified person, they've not given him a vote to be able to have [1:21:28] the full complement of nine Supreme Court justices. I think that was a dereliction of duty. [1:21:34] I hope that the Supreme Court will do its job. [1:21:35] I think that they will see their way to doing it. But if I am so fortunate enough as to be [1:21:40] president, I will immediately move to make sure that we fill that. We have nine justices to work [1:21:46] on behalf of our people. Thank you. You're out of time, Mr. Trump. [1:21:49] Justice Scalia, great judge, died recently and we have a vacancy. I am looking to appoint [1:22:01] judges very much in the mold of Justice Scalia. I'm looking for judges, [1:22:07] and I've actually picked 20 of them so that people would see. Highly respected, highly thought of, [1:22:14] and actually very beautifully reviewed by just about everybody. But people that will respect [1:22:22] the Constitution of the United States. And I think that this is so important. Also, [1:22:29] the Second Amendment, which is totally under siege by people like Hillary Clinton. They'll [1:22:35] respect the Second Amendment and what it stands for, what it represents. [1:22:39] So important to me. Now, Hillary mentioned something about contributions, just so you [1:22:44] understand. So I will have in my race more than $100 million put in of my money, meaning I'm not [1:22:50] taking all of this big money from all of these different corporations like she's doing. What I [1:22:55] ask is this. So I'm putting in more than, by the time it's finished, I'll have more than $100 [1:22:59] million invested. Pretty much self-funding mind. We're raising money for the Republican Party, [1:23:04] and we're doing tremendously on the small donation, $61 average or so. [1:23:08] I ask Hillary, why doesn't she make $250 million by being in office? She used the power of her [1:23:17] office to make a lot of money. Why isn't she funding, not for $100 million, but why don't [1:23:22] you put $10 or $20 or $25 or $30 million into your own campaign? It's $30 million less for [1:23:29] special interests that will tell you exactly what to do. And it would really, I think, be a nice [1:23:33] sign to the American public. Why aren't you putting some money in? You have a lot of it. You've made a [1:23:39] lot of it because of the fact that you've been in office. You made a lot of it while you were [1:23:43] Secretary of State, actually. So why aren't you putting money into your own campaign? I'm just [1:23:48] curious. Thank you very much. We're going to get on to one more question. The question was about [1:23:52] the Supreme Court, and I just want to quickly say. Very quickly. I respect the Second Amendment, [1:23:58] but I believe there should be comprehensive background checks, and we should close the [1:24:02] gun show loophole and close the online loophole. We have one more question, Mrs. Clinton. [1:24:07] As we possibly can. We have one more question from Ken Bone, [1:24:10] about energy policy. Ken? What steps will your energy policy take to meet our energy needs [1:24:19] while at the same time remaining environmentally friendly and minimizing job loss for fossil power [1:24:26] plant workers? Mr. Trump, two minutes. Absolutely. I think it's such a great question because [1:24:30] energy is under siege by the Obama administration, under absolute siege. The EPA, Environmental [1:24:36] Protection Agency, is killing these energy companies, and foreign companies are now coming [1:24:44] in, buying so many of our different plants, and then rejiggering the plant so that they can take care [1:24:50] of their oil. We are killing, absolutely killing, our energy business in this country. Now, I'm all [1:24:56] for alternative forms of energy, including wind, including solar, et cetera. But we need much more [1:25:02] than wind and solar. And you look at our miners. Hillary Clinton wants to put all the miners out [1:25:08] of business. There is a thing called clean coal. Coal will last for a thousand years, [1:25:15] but it will last for a billion years. But if you look at the oil prices, if you look at the [1:25:19] financials, we have a lot of oil on this country. Now, we have natural gas and so many other things [1:25:24] because of technology. We have unbelievable, we have found over the last seven years, we have [1:25:31] found tremendous wealth right under our feet. So good, especially when you have $20 trillion in debt. [1:25:36] make money, they'll pay off our national debt, they'll pay off our tremendous [1:25:40] budget deficits, which are are tremendous, but we are putting our energy companies [1:25:46] out of business. We have to bring back our workers. You take a look at what's [1:25:51] happening to steel and the cost of steel and China dumping vast amounts of steel [1:25:57] all over the United States, which essentially is killing our steel workers [1:26:01] and our steel companies. We have to guard our energy companies. We have to [1:26:07] make it possible. The EPA is so restrictive that they are putting our [1:26:12] energy companies out of business, and all you have to do is go to a great place [1:26:16] like West Virginia or places like Ohio, which is phenomenal, or places like [1:26:22] Pennsylvania, and you see what they're doing to the people, miners and others, in [1:26:27] the energy business. It's a disgrace. Your time is up, thank you. It's an absolute [1:26:31] disgrace. [1:26:31] Senator Clinton, two minutes. Well, that was very interesting. First of all, China is [1:26:40] illegally dumping steel in the United States and Donald Trump is buying it to [1:26:44] build his buildings, putting steel workers and American steel plants out of [1:26:48] business. That's something that I fought against as a senator and that I would [1:26:53] have a trade prosecutor to make sure that we don't get taken advantage of by [1:26:59] China on steel or anything else. You know, because it sounds like you're in [1:27:04] the business or you're aware of people in the business, you know that we are now, for the [1:27:09] first time ever, energy independent. We are not dependent upon the Middle East, but the [1:27:14] Middle East still controls a lot of the prices. So the price of oil has been way [1:27:18] down, and that has had a damaging effect on a lot of the oil companies, right? We [1:27:24] are, however, producing a lot of natural gas, which serves as a bridge to more [1:27:29] renewable fuels, and I think that's an important transition. [1:27:34] We've got to remain energy independent. It gives us much more power and freedom [1:27:40] than to be worried about what goes on in the Middle East. We have enough worries [1:27:44] over there without having to worry about that. So I have a comprehensive energy [1:27:49] policy, but it really does include fighting climate change, because I think [1:27:53] that is a serious problem. And I support moving toward more clean, renewable [1:28:00] energy as quickly as we can, because I think we can be the 21st [1:28:04] century clean energy superpower and create millions of new jobs and businesses. [1:28:11] But I also want to be sure that we don't leave people behind. That's why I'm the [1:28:14] only candidate from the very beginning of this campaign who had a plan to help us [1:28:20] revitalize coal country, because those coal miners and their fathers and their [1:28:24] grandfathers, they dug that coal out. A lot of them lost their lives. They were [1:28:29] injured, but they turned the lights on and they powered our factories. I don't [1:28:33] want to walk away from them. [1:28:34] So we've got to do something for them. But the price of coal is down [1:28:38] worldwide. So we have to look at this comprehensively. That's exactly what I [1:28:42] have proposed. I hope you will go to hillaryclinton.com. And we have sent my entire policy. [1:28:47] One more audience question. We've sneaked in one more question, and it comes from Carl Becker. [1:28:52] My question to both of you is, regardless of the current rhetoric, would [1:29:04] either of you name one positive thing that you respect in one another? [1:29:11] Ms. Trump, would you like to go first? [1:29:19] Well, I certainly will, because I think that's a very fair and important question. [1:29:29] Look, I respect his children. His children are incredibly able and devoted, and I think [1:29:38] that says a lot about Donald. I don't agree with nearly anything else he says or does, [1:29:45] but I do respect that. And I think that is something that, as a mother and a grandmother, [1:29:51] is very important to me. [1:29:52] So I believe that this election has become, in part, so conflict-oriented, so intense, [1:30:05] because there's a lot at stake. This is not an ordinary time, and this is not an ordinary election. [1:30:12] We are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for not just four or eight years, [1:30:20] but because of some of the important decisions we have to make here at home and around the world, [1:30:25] from the Supreme Court. [1:30:26] The Supreme Court to energy and so much else. [1:30:29] And so there is a lot at stake. It's one of the most consequential elections that we've had. [1:30:35] And that's why I've tried to put forth specific policies and plans, trying to get it off of the personal [1:30:41] and put it on to what it is I want to do as president. [1:30:45] And that's why I hope people will check on that for themselves, so that they can see that, yes, [1:30:51] I've spent 30 years, actually maybe a little more, working to help kids and families. [1:30:55] And I want to take all that experience to the White House and do that every single day. [1:31:02] Mr. Trump. [1:31:03] Well, I consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. [1:31:08] I don't know if it was meant to be a compliment, but it is a great one. [1:31:11] I'm very proud of my children. [1:31:13] And they've done a wonderful job, and they've been wonderful, wonderful kids. [1:31:18] So I consider that a compliment. [1:31:21] I will say this about Hillary. [1:31:24] She doesn't quit. She doesn't give up. [1:31:26] I respect that. I tell it like it is. [1:31:29] She's a fighter. I disagree with much of what she's fighting for. [1:31:34] I do disagree with her judgment in many cases. [1:31:38] But she does fight hard, and she doesn't quit, and she doesn't give up. [1:31:42] And I consider that to be a very good trait. [1:31:45] Thanks to both of you. [1:31:49] I want to thank both the candidates. I want to thank the university here. [1:31:52] This concludes the town hall meeting. [1:31:54] Our thanks to the candidates, the commission, Washington University, and to everybody who watched. [1:31:59] Tune in on October 19th for the final presidential debate that will take place at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. [1:32:07] Good night, everyone.