"The Government Doesn't Want You To Have Information" — Bernie Spofforth's Warning

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: that that is exactly what we're doing aren't we this week here in london certainly um and in other parts of britain i suppose as well where it's been very hot and you hear all these people talking about how we're going to have to get used to the heat and we're going to have to get used to you know changing the way that we live and changing the way that we deal with it oh but don't mention air conditioning because that's obviously off the off the agenda you can't have that i mean which is the obvious answer right we're sitting here in a nice cool studio because we've got air conditioning and we should all have air conditioning but we're not allowed to [00:00:30] Speaker 2: so if you look at net zero um i i would say absolutely that net zero is an instrument of an investment model net zero is an investment model yeah it's not an environmental policy no um and when you look at air conditioning specifically they are quite cheap what they want you to think is that your heat pump can provide you with cool air as well as warm air so they don't want you all going out and buying air conditioning units they want you of course to buy the heat pump those people [00:01:02] Speaker 1: that i know that have got heat pumps say actually the cool air is the heat is the heat side because it's actually not very hot they don't work very well no they don't and i can attest to that because i have one yeah everyone i know that's very embarrassing i know embarrassing well that first of all tells you you've got more money than sense because it's only rich people that can afford to put them in but you know the other thing about all of the the the nonsense about net zero is whenever i used to get politicians on my old show at all and i'd say to them what exactly happens when we get to net zero yeah exactly what do you think happens and they could never answer it because one they didn't really understand the concept even of what net zero was and then they try and tell you what the concept was i said then that's why i asked you i asked you what happens how do our lives change how does my life change how does my tax affairs how do my do i pay less tax do i pay more tax how does it work i don't know [00:01:49] Speaker 2: none of them and because i can't tell you what we've done in the last couple of months is we've agreed another agreement with the un called the global futures agreement and what that says is that now government policy so all those quangos 11 000 people in the cabinet office it's not your mp that's making decisions right what they have to do now now they've all agreed this is they must only make decisions for children not yet born so they must now make planning decisions on roads for how would that affect an unborn child 20 years from now this this is literally what we are signing up to and what i've tried to do in the book is give people information the big thing the government doesn't want you to have actually is information so i'm not a free sweet absolute free speech absolutist i'm just really not yeah but i'm a free information absolutist because that's where conspiracy theories come from if you don't give people all of the information they will fill in the gaps and i believe that only when people truly understand what is happening to them and truly understand how little control they now have in a representative democracy that we can do anything about it and do i think a new government on one election cycle can do anything about it of course they can't it's taken us 50 years to get here it might take another 20 or 25 to come out of yeah and in that time the societal changes will be more than you have ever seen in your entire lifetime all i'm saying is i think you should have the right to vote for it [00:03:28] Speaker 1: yeah absolutely right we had liz truss in here this week and we were talking about the whole kind of quangocracy and the fact that she had attempted in the very short time that she was allowed to uh to try and sort of trim their wings she did try and get them and she was like there were so many obstacles being put in the way and i mean i discovered purely by chance um a few months ago um down in sussex i just sent my dog for a walk in these woods and they decided the car park should suddenly be paid for right and i suddenly thought well i'm just going to have a quick look into this and what is it what is it all about why do you have to now pay to park in what used to be a free car park and it turned out to be a forestry commission decision it turned out it was owned by the forestry commission and i started looking into that i couldn't believe how many people they employ i couldn't believe how much their budget was and the fact that when you look into to what's on their website you know they've got the whole dei thing over there and the net zero thing over here and then they've got you know um our staff increased by 54 percent in the last three years you can't kind of go what what are they what are you doing you're running a bunch of forests right you don't need hundreds of people and hundreds of [00:04:34] Speaker 2: millions of pounds and if you look at the environment agency now i would have thought that the environment agency's main mission was to look after the environment in britain yeah including dredging our rivers so we don't have floods um that kind of thing no their mission statement is to deliver the sustainable development goals under net zero 2030. well you didn't vote for why are you paying for this yeah [00:05:07] Speaker 1: right and also the measures that they then introduce in order to do that's right are also ridiculously expensive one and two completely unnecessary and you didn't vote for it and you didn't vote for it yeah [00:05:19] Speaker 2: and that's the big thing i have so and i say this again and again you can vote for the faces to change and they can have this great big plan about ripping out all of the quangos i think you'll find that that is almost impossible not only the legal cases but because of the investment coming into the uk yes so that huge amount of investment is only coming in because it's in something called green bonds yeah i write all about it and i also mentioned liz in there and what happened to her and what would happen to a government if it came in and tried to pull back in all of these areas and how quickly a government could collapse when it's faced with massive amounts of pulled investment in the billions and billions and then it suddenly can't afford to pay its debt we have mass unemployment you know you could topple a government quite quickly they toppled a prime minister in the time it took for a letter in less time than a lettuce went back right so we are in an incredibly difficult situation and the only way i believe we can win back our little bit of our world is for people to know and to start questioning because questioning yeah it will bring you the truth yeah and and they can't bury the truth forever no and they don't like to [00:06:38] Speaker 1: be asked questions and i've been doing this for that reason alone so yeah yeah i've always wanted to ask questions that's why i got into journalism and unfortunately most journalists now have forgotten how to do that and that's part of the problem as well because they just don't ask the right questions because they're regulated yeah they're not well they're not really they're just not curious enough because you don't have i mean they're more interested i think particularly in westminster they're more interested in getting invited onto the prime minister's plane and getting invited to the christmas party then i mean it's it i i think it's as simple as that they don't like to be unpopular they don't like to be told well the prime minister is not going to talk to you now because you wrote a nasty piece of the spectator you know so they don't do it you know so there's all manner of different controls if i talk to you all day fascinating stuff um how about your own life i mean how has your life changed it must have been quite a shock to the system for you um it it it was absolutely [00:07:31] Speaker 2: horrifying absolutely completely horrifying and i i found it very difficult to cope i found it very difficult um the free speech union were fantastic um i mean i mean to the point where i was getting phone calls saying do you know what we think you should speak to a counselor so we've got one for you i mean that's how detailed they were they they were really wonderful and i i lost lots of friends business colleagues um that will never speak to me again because they don't want to be tainted with an arrest it's such an awful awful awful thing um and like lawrence lawrence fox said to me and says to me often it the process is the punishment yeah and so we're two years later i spent a lot of time on my own spent a lot of time researching because you can't get anything wrong now right if you've made a mistake yeah you can't get anything wrong so there are hundreds of citations in the book people can go and look at it for themselves and what i'd really like now is for people to give that book to those people who really believe in that zero go and give it to them and say they are now do you believe in it i don't think you like capitalism yeah but you want us all to be equal what about these people [00:08:51] Speaker 1: yeah right they're not going to be equal capitalism's kind of morphed as well into socialism somehow [00:08:54] Speaker 2: hasn't it we've suddenly got these corporations the issue is that stakeholder capitalism what it's done is instead of it instead of it allowing small businesses to grow and creativity to be nurtured what it's done is put huge swathes of industry into the hands of very few so i was saying the other day to um liam halligan from from the telegraph um one area is seeds four businesses control over 80 percent of the seeds on the planet and so if i grow a new tomato seed and it's really really brilliant no one will buy it no because i can't pass all their regulations so you have small businesses that can't compete because they can't hit the net zero the carbon the reporting it's why our fishermen struggle so much you know you look at these huge super trawlers dredging up our seabeds and you're scratching your head thinking hold on a minute i thought we're trying to save the planet well the whole process of that is uh they only have to make one trip less carbon yeah what's insane you're destroying the fish in the ocean floor because it's only going to make one trip and the problem is look britain we've got a welfare system right look at what they've done in africa and in the book i talk about it all the places in africa who used to fish their own fish that now have to buy it in plastic packaging and import it yeah because their fish is being taken and you know there's so much guff there are so many lies if if we are supposed to be rolling back on fossil fuels then why is plastic packaging set to treble by 2050 who's making money out of that well you see they said the other day that we might [00:10:48] Speaker 1: have to roll back on the plastic packaging give up on the net zero for a bit because it's a bit more expensive than we thought it was going to be and we want to make food cheaper for you but they don't really [00:10:56] Speaker 2: mean that's not a lot but that is a lie because all of that money isn't going into the environment the plastic packaging is mostly going into general taxation so all of these little bits that you think are helping your environment or you're doing the right thing hello lefties out there honestly i know you believe in this stuff but you have to understand where your money is going yeah it's absolutely right [00:11:19] Speaker 1: brilliant to see you thank you so much for coming in i'm sorry we can't have longer but we've got [00:11:23] Speaker 2: about three other things we have to do um it was lovely to come in and see no it's really good to [00:11:28] Speaker 1: see you and and the book once again uh go i presume you can get it from all reasonable yeah amazon waterstones even guardian online which is funny well i'm glad they haven't tried to sort of stop it [00:11:38] Speaker 2: from being published well they probably don't know what it's about yet they think it's about the [00:11:42] Speaker 1: sustainable development goals well there you are very good excellent well i wish you luck with it i'm sure it will sell very well um and i'm certainly going to be reading it because it's fascinating and we talk about a lot of the same things as well so you know um i'm very much already on that journey uh of not believing a word you get told by the bleeding politicians that's for sure um i think we've got uh