The Final Days Of The U.S. Empire! – Full Interview w/ Professor Jiang

[0:02] Hey, we have our special guest back with us, Professor Zhang, Beijing-based educator, [0:07] writer, and advocate for education reform. Known for his work in promoting creativity, [0:12] critical thinking, and global citizenship in Chinese schools, he gained international [0:18] attention in 24 for his viral predictions about geopolitics, foreseeing Donald Trump's [0:22] return to power, U.S.-Iran conflict, and U.S. losing that war based on historical patterns [0:29] and game theory. Welcome back to the show, Professor Zhang. Good to see you. [0:34] Thanks, Jimmy. Thanks for inviting me back. [0:36] Now, the first thing I wanted to bring up, this happened, so I don't know if you're up [0:40] on this, but the United States has attacked a ship, right? So they're going to block the [0:46] Strait of Hormuz. And let me just play, this is what Scott Ritter, this is his assessment [0:53] of what happened, and I'll get your response. Hang on. [0:58] Civilians? [0:59] Well, my understanding is that there was an Iranian cargo ship that was making transit [1:05] out of the Strait of Hormuz into the Gulf there, and in accordance with the agreement [1:10] that was reached between the United States and Iran in Islamabad about the ceasefire, [1:15] an illegal American blockade that has no legitimacy under international law and is a complete violation [1:19] of the ceasefire agreement, demanded that the ship stop. The ship didn't. And the United States, [1:24] the U.S. Navy vessel destroyer, told the ship to evacuate the engine room. Did they fire it on the [1:30] engine room, causing the ship to come to a halt, and the U.S. Marine raiding group was landed on the [1:35] vessel and took control of the vessel? It is an act of piracy. There's no legitimacy for this action [1:39] whatsoever. [1:40] Wow. What would be the goal of something like this? Why would Trump and Hegseth even order this? [1:46] It's pure psychological operation. This is about the United States spinning the events so that the [1:50] president can claim that he has the upper hand that, you know, if, for instance, Iran were to go to [1:55] Islamabad and agree to a deal, the president would say it's only because of the strong stance that he's [1:58] taken in enforcing this blockade and compelling the Iranians to, you know, see the common sense and [2:03] coming to an agreement. That's all this is. It has nothing to do with, you know, legitimately stopping [2:07] flow. Even, let's just say that, let's just acknowledge that this is an illegal act, like much of [2:11] what the United States does. You know, but the goal is to effectively halt shipping out of the [2:16] straight hormones by the Iranians. And this most certainly is not doing that. So it's just pure [2:20] theater, theater of the absurd. [2:22] So what is your response to the act and his assessment? [2:27] Yeah, I completely agree. So a naval blockade is considered an act of war. And so it breaks the spirit [2:34] of a ceasefire. That's point number one. Point number two is that I think Scott Ritter is right in that [2:42] Trump is trying to negotiate from a position of strength. But I think the more obvious, [2:47] my explanation is that Trump and Hexler are not serious about peace at all. Even though there is [2:53] a ceasefire, we're seeing a massive military buildup in the Middle East. When the George H.W. [3:01] Bush arrives in theater, possibly by Friday, the Americans will have about 60,000 troops ready to [3:08] go for a massive invasion of Iran, which is what a lot of people expect to happen. So this ceasefire, [3:15] it's pure theater. It's just a pretext to build up forces in the Middle East. [3:21] And so Trump, I announced today that on Wednesday, the ceasefire will end. So that means he's going to [3:31] start bombing again. They're going to start. What do you what do you see happening on Wednesday? [3:37] So the ceasefire does expire on Wednesday. That doesn't necessarily mean that the bombing will [3:45] start right away. Because remember, the Americans need to get forces in position, they need to stage [3:52] the forces. And so it's possible that on Wednesday, Trump announces another two week ceasefire. And he [3:59] doesn't really care what the Iranians say. Because they need time to prepare for the strike. So the [4:06] Americans use something called shock and awe. So they want to go in, destroy as much as they can, [4:11] and then leave with minimal civilian casualties. So they are looking to strike as hard as possible [4:19] when the time is appropriate. So let me just play you one more clip from Scott Ritter saying that if [4:26] the United States does attack again, because they're stuck in the United States, Trump cannot [4:33] escalate anymore without having severe consequences rain down upon the Gulf states, right? And so if [4:42] Trump, it looks like they're, does it look like to you they're getting ready for a grant, a ground [4:48] invasion? They've got what 50, 60,000 troops there now? What do you think they're getting ready to do? [4:54] So, uh, from a military perspective, if the wars escalate, then Americans in round two will use [5:01] a three-prong approach, okay? So the first approach will be to try to economically strangle Iran. So [5:08] the naval blockade will be part of that. But the Americans will also try to siege Karg Island, [5:12] they will try to seize the Iranian coastline. And so what the Americans are trying to do is dislodge [5:18] Iran from the Strait of Hormuz. Because right now the Iranians can collect tolls off the Strait of Hormuz, [5:24] they can export oil from Karg Island. And so the Americans want to blockade and contain Iran. [5:29] That's the first pillar. The second pillar is to stir up ethnic tensions in, uh, Iran. And the way you [5:36] do that is you establish forward operating bases in, uh, ethnic regions like, uh, Blackistan and the [5:43] Kurdish region. And then you encourage and you arm ethnic insurgents against, against the, um, [5:49] the government in Iran. And the third thing, which I think will be the most effective is you will start, [5:55] you will start to suffocate Tehran, the capital. You do that by limiting their capacity to access [6:01] food, water, electricity. You basically bomb power plants, you bomb reservoirs, and you bomb railways. [6:07] And so you force the population into submission. And for, and if you do these three strategies, [6:12] the theory is that you will force Iran into a political settlement. [6:17] And what, what kind of settlement do they want? I mean, it, it, it seems, what, what, what do you, [6:24] what does, does, has Trump even said what he wants? He said he, he wanted, he said he wanted complete, [6:30] um, victory or a complete, uh, surrender. But what does that, what does that mean? [6:34] What it means is that the Americans can impose terms. So what this means is that the Iranians, [6:41] the Iranians will have to surrender their uranium, all their uranium. They will have to surrender the [6:46] ballistic weapons program. They will have abandoned the proxies and they will have to, uh, install the [6:52] Shah, um, as their new leader, American puppet. So that, those are the four conditions for surrender. [6:58] Oh, that really, uh, okay. See, and what do you think the likelihood of that is? [7:06] Zero percent. [7:06] Zero, right? Yeah. That seems crazy. So, so, so it seems like for, for real, they're going to, [7:15] again, ask, try to, uh, resume the war, the, that Donald Trump and the United States [7:20] is going to resume the war either Wednesday or after another phony ceasefire, giving them time to, [7:26] I mean, Iran sees what they're doing. They see that they're bringing, they know what's coming. [7:32] And so here's what, uh, Scott Ritter had to say will happen once the United States starts the war [7:38] again. And I want to get your reaction to it. Well, the Iranians have made it clear that, um, [7:44] they're not going to, you know, start slow and finish fast. Uh, they're not going to wait for [7:49] the United States and Israel to set the pace, um, which is what they did in the 40 days. The, [7:53] the escalation, the nature of targets, et cetera, uh, that were, you know, engaged by Iran were [7:58] largely defined by the nature of the Israeli American strikes against Iran. Um, here, [8:03] the Iranians, I believe we'll start with the notion that, uh, because the United States is [8:07] incapable of negotiating good faith, that, uh, you must assume that any military action that's [8:11] now taken is done to, uh, eliminate the regime of, uh, of the, um, you know, Islamic Republic. [8:17] And, um, therefore this is an existential war. Therefore, um, just go for the juggler from the [8:22] start. And I think this is what you're going to see. If we started attacking Iran, I think you're [8:26] going to see Iran hit some Gulf Arab states harder than they've ever been hit, uh, hit Israel very [8:30] hard, start taking out key infrastructure and, um, you know, maybe reach out and touch the United [8:35] States in a few places as well. Um, you know, that the United States has grown overconfident in [8:39] terms of operation, but, um, you know, this is going to be a one way street. When the war starts, [8:45] we will be bombing empty buildings. We will be blowing up bridges and railroad tracks that have [8:49] no fundamental value from a military standpoint. Um, and Iran is going to be, [8:55] you know, striking back with, um, absolute devastation. Uh, and the, the defeat will [9:01] be obvious after the first three days, uh, when, as I said, uh, perhaps Abu Dhabi, Dubai, [9:07] maybe another city will be unable to sustain life on the scope and scale necessary to be, uh, to, [9:13] to retain the stature that they enjoy today. Uh, people will be forced to leave, flee by the [9:17] hundreds of thousands. So do you agree with that assessment? I think that's what we've been [9:22] saying here all along, uh, that if Trump escalates, uh, or resumes this war, that they're going, [9:28] they have the ability to knock out the Gulf States desalination, the desalination plants, [9:34] and then that's game over for them. What do you say? [9:36] I completely agree. So, um, the most obvious thing that, uh, the Iranians can do is close off [9:43] the Red Sea. Um, and then they can strike at, uh, Gulf energy infrastructure. They can destroy the [9:49] pipelines. This will knock out one third of the world's, uh, energy supply. Uh, this would [9:55] completely destroy the Gulf States. They were no more viable. But the problem is that Americans [10:02] have made a calculation that this is an acceptable cost, that they are willing to take the risk. [10:06] And the reason why is that in January, the Trump white house, um, announced something called the [10:12] national security strategy. And so this is the Pentagon strategy moving forward for the next [10:18] five to 10 years. And that's four major pillars that help, help us explain why the war is progressing [10:25] the way it is in the middle East. The first major pillar is to secure the Western hemisphere, [10:30] the American home front. The second pillar is to contain China. The third pillar is to make [10:36] better use of American allies to, um, basically encourage them to participate more in global [10:43] defense. The fourth pillar is to, um, ramp up America's wartime industrial production. Okay. [10:52] And we're always, we're already seeing these four pillars play out. So from an American perspective, [10:57] the goal is to create greater North America, um, something called a technate, uh, fortress America. [11:06] And then this will become a self-sufficient, um, perimeter that allows America to sell resources, [11:13] weapons and financing to the rest of the world. And what America will do is create balance of power [11:19] in each different region. So in East Asia, Japan and China will balance each other out and they will [11:25] both become dependent on American armaments, uh, American resources and American financing. [11:31] Something will happen in Europe where Russia and Europe, NATO will balance each other out and both [11:37] will become dependent again on America. And in East Asia, uh, sorry, in West Asia, [11:43] it will be, it will be the Gulf States and Israel versus Iran. And this is the, this is what's laid out [11:49] in national security strategy. And unfortunately what we're seeing is the strategy being played out in [11:54] real time. So what, what, why would, why would China, Japan, Russia, what's their move? I don't, [12:05] I can't see them just letting this happen. Can you? [12:08] Right. So there's only one actual response to America's national security strategy. And it is for [12:17] Russia, Iran, and China to work together to get a continental trade block, uh, that can then absorb, [12:23] uh, Africa, the Middle East and Europe and East Asia and sort of negate American naval power. [12:30] And that's why this war in Iran is happening because, um, Iran is really the pivot. It is [12:36] where Russia's North South trade quarter runs through is where Europe's IMAC quarter, uh, runs [12:41] through. It is where China's belt and road initiative runs through. So if you can create chaos in Iran, [12:47] the world is no longer able to trade, uh, in Eurasia and it's completely dependent on, on sea for [12:54] trade and it needs energy, right? So basically what America is trying to do is create as much chaos [13:00] around the world as possible so that the nations are dependent on American energy. [13:04] And again, so what do you, I mean, Russia is very oil rich and, uh, they have, what, what do you think, [13:17] uh, what will they do? I mean, they'll, they'll, so tell me what, I mean, I'm like, like, like in [13:25] materially, what will they do? Right. So what's happening right now is that the Americans are [13:31] imposing a naval blockade on all, on all ocean trade, right? So we're seeing, um, as you mentioned, [13:38] this Iranian ship returning from China, being boarded, being basically being like seized and [13:44] kidnapped by the Americans. We're also seeing Russian shuttle fleet tankers being boarded by the [13:50] Americans as well. Um, we're also seeing this past month oil refineries, fires all around the world. [13:58] So the most famous, um, case was in jail in Australia where a refinery was suspiciously, uh, and accidentally, [14:07] uh, um, on fire, destroying Australia's access to jet fuel. We're also seeing fires in Bucharest, [14:14] Russia, sorry, Bucharest, Romania, in India, in Myanmar. We're also seeing the Ukrainians start to [14:20] strike, uh, Russian energy infrastructure. So what, what's happening right now is basically a war [14:26] over, uh, energy, uh, resources between Russia and America. And we, we will see this work span over the [14:33] next few years as Russia challenges American dominance in the seas and as both continue to [14:40] destroy each other's, uh, energy resources. So this, this is really going to be world, [14:48] world war three, and it's going to be for a while. It's not, it's, and so this, so, you know, [14:56] it's very popular to say that the United States did this war because Donald Trump is, um, controlled by [15:03] Benjamin Netanyahu, the Zionists in Israel. But the way I hear you explaining it now, it seems like some [15:09] kind of bigger, long game that the United States is playing for. We've talked about the greater North [15:15] American project here and our, uh, is, so it was that just kind of a diversion that to blame it on [15:24] Israel or is that real or has, have the, has the establishment been planning this all along and [15:29] Donald Trump is just their tool? So first point is that if you don't believe anything I say, then I, [15:35] then go to the, the, um, Pentagon website, the Department of War website and download the national [15:40] security strategy. It is in black and white. It tells you exactly what the plan is. It is to contain [15:45] China. It is to, um, control the Western hemisphere, something called the Don Rao Doctrine, [15:51] and it is to cannabize, uh, America's allies. Okay. It's very black and white in that paper. That's the [15:57] first point. Second point is that, um, Trump doesn't have the power to do whatever he wants. I mean, [16:05] he is really the agent or the puppet or the scapegoat for the military industrial complex. [16:11] Um, and the third point I will make is that if you just look at history, when empires decline, [16:18] they behave in this manner where the empire, uh, at its height, it relies, relies on consent. It relies [16:25] on soft power. When it declines and its allies turn away from, uh, the empire, what the empire does [16:33] is use force or use piracy, use pure power might becomes right. Um, so what America is doing right [16:42] now fits into the classical imperial decline pattern. Yeah. So, okay. And so, I mean, you said [16:53] that, uh, the United States was going to lose this war or get stuck in, in a quagmire. Um, do you see [17:00] this working out? Do you, where, where do you see this heading in the next three to six months? [17:05] Right. So again, if you just look at like history, these things never work out because there are three [17:10] problems with this plan. It sounds great on paper, right? Where America, um, consorts the Western [17:16] hemisphere. It has all the resources of the world. It's self-sufficient. The rest of the world is at war [17:20] and needs to buy American weapons and resources. But if you look at history, it doesn't really work out [17:26] for three reasons. The first major reason is corruption. Okay. So America right now is a very [17:31] corrupt, uh, system. And we know because, um, when, whenever Trump makes an announcement, [17:38] someone with impeccable timing is able to short the market and make hundreds of millions of dollars, [17:44] right? So when, um, when, when Trump announced a ceasefire, um, then someone buys shorts and makes a [17:52] lot of money off of the oil market. So this has, this has been happening a lot, but really the [17:58] problem in America is the financialization of the system. And so people make their money, not making [18:04] things, but by on speculation. And this is a re this is a, um, a pretty common theme in American, um, [18:13] political system right now. So, you know, Trump has announced $1.5 trillion for the Pentagon. And you [18:19] said this on your show, but most of this money is going to go into corruption. It's going to be stolen. [18:24] It's, uh, it won't actually go into weapons production. So that's the first problem, the [18:28] corruption. Second problem is political polarization. So when empires are in decline, they usually split [18:35] up into different factions that fight, um, um, that fight each other. They really don't care about [18:41] the consequences for America's position in the world stage. All they are concerned about are domestic [18:46] politics. So even though America is at war in Iran, the Democrats continue to snipe at Trump, [18:52] uh, and Trump continues to snipe at Democrats. So Trump is much more concerned about the Democrats [18:57] than he is about winning this war in Iran. So political polarization is a huge problem [19:03] in America and it could possibly lead to a civil war. Um, that's the second problem. And the third [19:07] problem is nationalism. When you bully nations, like what America is doing right now to the Europeans, [19:14] right? So Trump says that he's going to take over Greenland, which, which has really annoyed the [19:18] Europeans. He's disgusting over Mexico, um, Canada. Um, so what this does is that it, um, [19:30] it galvanizes the people and makes them much more nationalistic. And we can see this and we will, [19:35] we'll see this happen over the next few years as the Americans demand more of the North, [19:40] of the South Koreans, of the Japanese. And this will make them much, much more, [19:45] more nationalistic, much more anti-American. Same thing will happen in Europe as well. So these three [19:50] factors, corruption, uh, division and nationalism ultimately means that the empire will die at the [19:57] end of the day. Do you have a timeline on that? So the, so, you know, I was before, uh, this Iranian [20:06] war, I was just worried about the world stop using the dollar as the reserve currency. That was my big [20:11] worry. And I was just worried about how quickly that was going to happen, which is why I, we've [20:16] talked so much about investing in gold and stuff on this show, because when the rest of the world [20:21] stops using the dollar that it's horrible for, for the United States, I mean, and, and us and [20:26] our retirement savings and everything, which is tied up in dollars. Um, so you're talking about [20:34] what is the end of the, uh, so, so you keep saying this isn't going to work out, right? You there, [20:40] you've already delineated the problems with this working. It sounds like a great idea. I hear [20:45] people say it, talk, talk about it, but it's, you're, it's not going to work. So where does that, [20:49] where do you see the United States and say like five years? Sure. So, um, there's actually a three [20:57] stage, uh, process when empires decline. Okay. So in the first stage, the empire lashes out, um, [21:05] um, um, and forces, it kind of cannibalizes, vassalizes allies. Okay. In the first stage, [21:12] things look great. The U S dollar, uh, soars, the American economy, uh, soars because the world [21:19] is dependent on LNG from the United States. The reality is that it's possible that Trump goes to [21:24] China in mid May and they sign a deal in which China is buying more LNG from America, in which case [21:31] Trump's going to look like a political genius, right? Because he's attacking Iran. He's managed to, [21:35] uh, humble China. So in the, in the short term, things look great for the empire because the world [21:42] is completely dependent on, uh, American resources, especially energy LNG. So that's a first stage. [21:48] And it's, but in the second stage, can you stop you there? Can you stop you? Sure. The problem is [21:53] that that plays right into the way American businessmen and our economy thinks we think in short-term [21:59] quarterly profits, we don't build for the longterm. And so Trump probably doesn't care. He'll like, [22:04] look, it'll, it'll make the next two or three, the last two years of my presidency look like a [22:10] victory. And I, I exit, I'm 82 years old as a victor, right? Is that, that's right. [22:14] That's exactly correct. That's exactly the problem. He's only thinking for the next two, [22:19] three years, which are going to be great for America. But then you, but then afterwards, [22:23] what happens after what happens is that you're, uh, over leverage your, your empire [22:30] is, um, overextended. You're forced to call up a national draft in order to supply [22:35] the cannon fodder for your, uh, empire. Your economy is overheated. It's, it becomes a huge [22:42] pointy scheme. Um, and slowly the rest of the world recognizes that we need, we need to, we need [22:50] to unite against America if we are to survive. And then the third stage, the world goes to war against [22:56] America on multiple fronts, the economic front, the diplomatic front, the military front. [23:01] And then America recognizes that it cannot actually sustain its empire as empire declines and dies. [23:09] And S and so that when the empire dies, that means for sure, civil war, right? [23:14] In the United States. Exactly. Exactly. For sure. Exactly. [23:20] And then we'll, we'd have to create a new government, create a new constitution and all that stuff, [23:27] right? Well, we started from scratch. Is that how it works? Um, so, um, if you just look at [23:37] America as an empire, there's most equivalent to Rome. And when Rome started its civil war process, [23:44] it never really stopped its civil wars. I mean, you might have an emperor emerge and create a 20 year [23:50] peace. Um, but then when he dies, the civil war starts, starts again. And, um, so the reason why [23:58] America may fall into a civil war trap where it is continuous civil war is that America has no [24:04] peer competitor in the Western hemisphere. And as a result, all the conflicts are internal, [24:13] not external, right? So, um, an empire, when it falls, it's, it fights civil wars, but when it's [24:20] threatened by an external enemy, it, it, it unifies, um, against this foe, but America doesn't have [24:27] a foe, it doesn't have a competitor. So America could actually descend into hundreds of years of [24:31] civil war. And, and so, okay. So you, your, your prediction is that in the next few years, [24:40] this will look like a brilliant plan to certain people because the dollar will soar and China's [24:46] going to be buying more of our liquid, uh, gas and, uh, but how soon does that end and it starts to go [24:57] the other way? Um, right. So I, I think it's entirely possible that if Trump poses off and, uh, [25:06] he succeeds, he might get a third term. Um, and so I think, you know, for the next two to three years, [25:14] um, this plan will look really, really strategic and genius, but again, this is all, all, all empires [25:21] behave when they decline. So, uh, this is a natural process. Um, so, so you say we're not going to break [25:33] off in the civil war and fragmentation for at least an, uh, no, what five years, 10. [25:41] Right. Yeah. So I think the civil war, the process begins if Trump gets his third term, [25:46] right? So I say the term third term, because if you want to kill this plan out to fruition, [25:51] uh, you need a pretty stable continuity of agenda, right? So it's entirely possible that if Trump leaves [25:58] office in 2028, the Democrats come to power and they change this plan, which would create complete [26:05] chaos. Um, so you need a continuum of agenda. You need basically a monarch in place in order to [26:11] implement the strategy. Um, and if that were the case, this would cause, create a constitutional crisis [26:19] and this would be the basis for civil war. So if you see this coming, um, so clearly, [26:26] and history says, this is what's coming. The people in Europe must know it's coming, [26:31] but why do you think they they're not reacting in the way a rational, uh, government would react [26:38] knowing this is coming? They seem to be almost in a sense, going along with Trump. They're now [26:43] doubling down on their war with Russia for, for, for who knows why, what, what, what, what, [26:49] why is what, what's Europe's role in all this and why are they doing it like they're doing? [26:54] Right. So another characteristic of an empire decline is the over bureaucratization of society. [27:00] And what this leads to the over bureaucratization, sorry, the bureaucratization of society, [27:06] the bureaucracy, right? You, you create an imperial bureaucracy that becomes a bubble onto itself, [27:16] right? So if you go to Washington DC, I'm sure you've been watching DC, it's a bubble, [27:19] right? It's the richest place in the world. They could care less about what happens, uh, [27:25] in the rest of America and in the rest of the world. Same thing in Europe where you have an [27:29] imperial bureaucracy in Brussels. So people in Brussels just care about collecting their paycheck, [27:34] collecting a pension, and they're, they want to just keep their jobs and starting to go with, [27:41] with the flow and they become completely divorced from reality, right? That's why you've, you've seen in [27:47] these past 10 years, this massive surge of immigration into Europe, even though Europe [27:54] itself cannot, um, sustain this immigration. And the response to criticism is to silence critics, [28:01] right? So in Europe, um, if you're a criminal, you're much more, you're much less likely to get [28:07] visited by the police than if you criticize the rise of crime on social media, right? So if you, [28:14] um, make it a criticism on social media, you're much more likely to get visited by the police [28:20] than if you actually committed a real crime. So that, so Europe is, uh, I think it's basically [28:25] become a cumpster fire. Um, it's a much more advanced stage of decline than, than America. [28:30] So basically just, you know, people looking out for, again, short-term thinking, people looking out for [28:41] their own self-interest, not their country's interests, not the long-term interests. And, [28:46] uh, and so is, is it the, is it the strength of the military, the, the international military [28:52] industrial complex that, uh, that they, they get more and they're doubling down on the war in Ukraine. [29:00] They're doubling down on, is, is that just what it is? And yes. Okay. And, and so, [29:07] because, you know, Julian Assange said it best. The point is not to have successful wars. The point [29:11] is to have never ending wars, because what wars do is they transfer taxpayer money into the pockets [29:18] of a transnational elite. And that's the very, that's the point of war today. It's not to win wars, [29:23] it's to have wars. I, it's just, I mean, I, I'm, I still can't, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm kind of shocked, [29:36] right. That there isn't some, you know, there's no sober voices, um, inside the United, you know, [29:42] there's like, maybe Thomas Massey, maybe Rand Paul, but there's no like group of people that [29:48] it's all just, I've been, I've been, I guess I shouldn't be surprised because I've been saying [29:51] it for years now that the United States is not just a little corrupt. Like Joe Biden gives his [29:56] kid a no show job and Trump gives his kid a deal with Saudi Arabia, but it's a hundred percent [30:02] corrupt. Like they're all corrupt. When they get a session of Congress, they're not there doing [30:07] the bidding. I've said this a million times. They're not doing the bidding of students or [30:10] workers or the elderly or trying to fix the infant. They're there, they're just doing the bidding. [30:15] How can we extract wealth from the taxpayers and put it into the pockets of the people you just [30:21] described? The, the, the, the WEF international elite, the globalists. And that's, that's what, [30:29] so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Right. I guess that's what I'm saying. [30:33] Right. So another issue that people don't want to discuss is the aging problem in America, [30:38] where the leadership in Washington DC have aged, um, a great, a great deal, right? The baby boomers [30:45] are still in, in, um, in control. Think of how many presidents are baby or baby boomers, right? You had, [30:52] um, Bill Clinton, uh, George W. Bush, uh, Obama, uh, Biden. I mean, like Trump, I mean, [30:59] the baby boomers have to happen in command for a long, long time. What we know is that [31:05] when a population ages, the elite, they become much more authoritarian, right? So if you're, [31:12] if you're an old person, you're in your eighties, what you care about is living for as long as [31:15] possible. You care a lot about germs. You care about, uh, keeping, keeping the streets clean and that. [31:21] And so you, you, you basically want a more authoritarian society. And that's why I think a lot of young [31:26] people today are so, um, um, pessimistic about the future. Uh, do you put any credence? So [31:36] there's, there's a, there, you know, there's a lot of, uh, theories out there that COVID was a [31:42] depopulation agenda because the international, uh, bankers and the WF types, they realize that [31:49] they can't sustain the, the, the aging populations. And so they, they did this vax, uh, which has, [31:58] uh, it's completely toxic and it had the negative, it has negative efficacy and, uh, they had to rig [32:06] all the numbers in the systems. Like for instance, they didn't, if you died within 14 days of getting [32:13] your vax, they considered you unvaccinated, even though it's, it, there's, there could be a [32:18] correlation between you dying from the vax. So they had to do all that. So do you, do you put any [32:23] credence into that theory that there is this, uh, kind of, cause it was a global phenomenon that [32:29] they, it wasn't just the United States, it was everywhere except for maybe Africa. Um, so do you, [32:35] do you think that, that there's any credence to that idea that the, the people in control, [32:40] really the handful of billionaires that run the world really did want a depopulation agenda? [32:45] Yeah. Um, if that, that were their plan, I'd be very impressed. Um, I don't think they're that [32:53] smart and I don't think they're that strategic. Um, I think that COVID happened because the baby [32:59] boomers were, are really afraid of germs. And that's why you have these, these, uh, global lockdowns, [33:05] because the baby boomers insisted on, um, on, um, on everyone's just staying at home. So the best, [33:13] the nation that best responded to COVID was Sweden, because the epidemiologist in Sweden said that you [33:21] can't stop a virus. It's impossible. So what, so we're not going to disrupt the economy. We're not, [33:28] we're not going to disrupt schooling, but we will protect our vulnerable people, which includes [33:32] people with diseases, which includes the elderly population. Which is basically the Barrington [33:38] declaration. Basically, basically. And it worked very well for Sweden. Their economy was not as [33:43] impacted as the rest of the world, but having gone away with COVID, with the COVID lockdowns, [33:52] we can expect that the elite will use the strategy again, the crisis were to emerge, right? So they're [33:58] not strategic, but they're opportunistic. They don't think ahead, but they see the [34:02] benefits of certain strategies. So if this war were to continue, you, we can imagine lockdowns [34:09] because of the energy crisis. Yes. So that's what I'm thinking. So that's why they, they'll be able to, [34:16] um, people have already talked about it, that there's going to be energy lockdowns and that [34:22] they're going to have a surveillance and they're going to let you know how much energy you're allowed [34:26] to use. And once you exceed that, they're going to cut you off. They're going to stop your car. [34:30] They're going to stop all that kind. And do you, do you see that happening? [34:34] Yes. It's all part of the plan, right? The 10-8 calls for a technocracy. What is, what is [34:39] technocracy? A government ruled by AI. That's why America is building all these data centers, [34:44] even though they cost a lot of money, they don't really actually make any profit, right? So if you're, [34:50] if you are a company like OpenAI, like the more subscribers you have, the more money you lose, [34:55] because it actually costs you more money to have subscribers, then you can generate profit for [35:00] them. But you have Operation Stargate in place, $500 billion to build data centers all across America. [35:06] So why would they do that? And the answer is the technocracy. The answer is you eventually, [35:11] you're moving towards an empire. You need to create an AI surveillance state, digital currency, [35:18] digital ID. And it's, and it helps you do a national draft. It helps you control the people. [35:25] It helps you ration energy and food. And, and so how there, do you, do you see a way to, to, [35:40] to turn this around or is this over, this is in the cards because history dictates and, [35:45] and they've, is there, is there, I mean, is it could, could there be a charismatic leader who [35:52] turns this around for the United, but they would just kill him, right? [35:57] Yeah. So, um, I don't think this plan will work out because the empire is in decline. They're [36:02] desperate, right? So they want a national draft. They want a AI, uh, control grid. Um, this is all [36:11] part of their plan, but the people in charge aren't that bright and they're not that effective. [36:17] And I think this is all going to blow up in their face because I think the American people are much [36:22] more resilient, much more creative than they believe it's worked out in China. If you come [36:27] to China, I'll show it around. We have AI surveillance. We have, um, AI, uh, digital [36:33] currency and digital, um, ID, and it's worked out well in China, but the Chinese people are a different [36:38] breed. The American people love freedom. They love liberty. And I think, I think that the Americans [36:42] rather fight than surrender their, their liberty. And so, so now I, now I'm hearing you say another, [36:50] like, so there is a chance that the, the American people, because we do value our freedom, uh, [36:57] although you couldn't tell, you know, half the country certainly didn't during COVID. Uh, they, [37:02] they were willing to accept, uh, there was every single restriction on their freedom and including, [37:08] uh, you know, fascist Nazi-like impositions of, uh, making people, forcing people to take experimental [37:14] medical treatments. Uh, so you, so you, you, you think that the, the, the answer to this lies in [37:20] the mass of people coming together? So, yeah, the COVID lockdowns were bad in America, but there [37:26] were no, no way near as bad as that in China or Canada, right? In Canada, there were the trucker [37:31] protests. And these were just people who wanted a meeting with Justin Trudeau because they had [37:35] questions about the vaccine mandate. And instead they were debanked. If you, if you actually gave a [37:40] dollar to the truckers, you also debanked. So, so Canada is far more authoritarian than the United [37:47] States. Uh, in the United States, if you didn't like the vaccine mandates, you move somewhere else. [37:51] You, you move to a red state that didn't have these vaccine mandates. You couldn't do that in [37:55] China. You couldn't do that in Canada. You couldn't do that in Europe. So I think that, that, um, [37:59] America is really the best hope for the world. Unfortunately, the people in charge, even though [38:06] they're not that strategic, even though they're not that smart, they are pretty evil. So we can [38:10] imagine that they will, um, uh, promote false flag operations. They will promote civil wars in order [38:18] to justify the use of a AI surveillance state. And so the, so you see us, you see our empire in decline. [38:29] It might work for the next couple of years. And when you say Trump will get a third term, you, you mean [38:35] they'll amend the constitution to make that happen? Right. So I actually don't know the legal [38:43] technicalities here, but what I do understand is that there's actually nothing in the constitution [38:47] that prevents Trump from, from running as a vice president in 2028 and having his son, [38:52] Don Jr run at the top of the ticket. And then when, uh, they win in 2028 by rigging the election, [38:58] then, uh, Trump can, then Don Jr can just advocate and then Trump will, will, will be the president [39:03] again for the next eight years. I never, I never thought of that. Isn't that funny? I never thought [39:09] that he would run as vice president. That seems so sinister. Um, so you, so you don't predict a [39:18] collapse, like by the end of the 2026 or 27 or even 28, but, um, do don't you, do you think that, [39:28] so we'll, we'll, we're going to, we're moving into a multipolar world then, right? [39:34] So the world right now it's over leveraged, but it's overextended. We've mortgaged the, uh, [39:40] future in order to enjoy the present. An example is that, uh, right now the population of the earth [39:46] is about eight billion people, but that's being supported by fertilizers, by oil, uh, by medicine. [39:54] So if the world were to de-globalize and de-urbanize and people would lack access to fertilizers and cheap [40:01] energy and this would mean that we would see a steep population decline over the next 10 years. [40:09] Okay. Yeah. I mean, I've, I've seen videos recently of, you know, people from the club [40:15] of Rome talking about this decades ago that we can't sustain, we can only sustain maybe one or [40:22] two billion people on this planet. And I just can't believe that like this day. So how come this stuff [40:30] doesn't get taught in schools? How come people don't talk about this in colleges? How come [40:34] it's taking, uh, uh, Donald, Donald Trump to make this, these kinds of conversations come to the [40:40] surface? Do you have any theory on that? Well, I mean, schools, public schools were created to [40:47] brainwash you, to indoctrinate you. I know because I've worked in education reform for the past 20 years. [40:52] So I know how screwed up the school system is. There's one word you're not, you're never allowed to [40:56] say in education reform. I've been to a lot of education conferences around the world and no one [41:01] ever talks about the elephant in the room, which is the idea of a meritocracy. Why is it that you [41:07] have a hierarchy in a school system where if you're smart, you're allowed to go to a good school, [41:11] but if you're dumb, you're not allowed to go to school at all. And the reason is control. The reason [41:17] is indoctrination. The people who graduate from the Ivy League, and I know because I went to Yale, [41:21] are the biggest ass kissers in the world. They're not smarter than you. They're not better than you. [41:26] They just happen to sit up to authority better than you. And that's just the nature of the school [41:31] system that we have today. That is true. Yes. I've noticed the people that came from Ivy [41:40] League schools to Hollywood and they excel quickly. And it's through ass kissing. They know exactly how [41:48] to do it. They know exactly who's asked to kiss. And I've noticed it in my own little corner of [41:55] Hollywood. So, Jimmy, if you spend like a week at Yale going to classes, you'd be shocked by the [42:06] level of education at Yale and Harvard. You'd be like, oh, my God, these are the smartest people [42:10] in the world. Oh, my God. This is the level of elite education that we have today. You'd be shocked. [42:16] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, you know, again, I always claim that, you know, I was a C student. [42:23] I was because I wasn't interested in school at all. And but but yeah, when I meet these people, [42:31] they I'm not I'm not as impressed as I should be. That that's that's for sure. And [42:39] especially what you know, what what I admire about you, Jimmy, is that even though you're a C student, [42:44] you're still curious, you're open minded, you appreciate debate, you ask good questions. [42:51] And that's that's a secret to learning in life. So I'm still can let me just switch the subject [42:57] just a little bit for a second. I'm still shocked. I'm I'm constantly shocked. I'll never stop being [43:07] shocked at the people who got everything wrong during covid. Not only did they get it wrong, [43:13] but they tried to they embraced authoritarianism to shut other people up like me who were just [43:20] asking questions because I noticed something and I was asking relevant questions that they were afraid. [43:26] So they're not afraid. They're afraid of the questions. And these people still today will call [43:31] ivermectin horse paste or they'll still swear by the the vaccine. They'll still call people anti-vax. [43:38] Even even though we know what a failure that covid vaccine was, they they still like as if it's five [43:45] years ago. And these are, you know, relatively intelligent people in every other way. And they [43:52] still it's like they're going out of their way to stay ignorant. And have you noticed that? And what is [43:59] Yes, yes, yes. I went to Yale. So I kind of this all the time. But you know, 1950s C Wright Mills wrote [44:08] a book called The Power Elite. And he describes the structure of power in America. And he makes a very [44:12] interesting point in the book, which is like, it's not the elite, the power elite that are most dedicated [44:18] to the system. It's the intellectual class, the, you know, the the chattering class, the professors, [44:25] the intellectuals, the the journalists who are most dedicated to the system, because these are the [44:31] parasites of the system. And they understand that they, their power comes from the proximity [44:38] to the elite. And so they are the most vocal about protecting the legitimacy of the system, [44:45] as well as the elite. Okay, so these journalists, these intellectuals, these professors, these [44:52] academics, they're most dedicated to maintaining COVID, because they believe that by doing so, [44:58] that's what allows them to maintain their power. Because think about what AI could do with the [45:02] coming of AI, the people, these white colored people are most at risk, right? These lawyers, [45:08] these accountants, these teachers, these AI can just do what what they do at a cheaper cheaper price. [45:13] So they need, they need to be able to justify their existence, you know, their hype, their high [45:19] salaries, their very easy lifestyle, where a professor works at six months, six months of the [45:25] year, they do that by trying to impose authority on the common mass. And since saying, you know, you [45:31] see, we are useful, because we can control the masses. But the reality is that with the rise of [45:37] social media, with the rise of shows like, like yours, they can no longer do so. And that's why [45:41] they're so desperate. That's why they're so anxious. And that's why they're so authoritarian [45:45] today. [45:45] So it's, um, who was the step? Didn't we have, uh, who was that female Chinese author [45:53] who wrote that 40 page book? And she talked about this. Uh, I don't know if you're familiar with her. [46:00] She talked about the class, the professional class. [46:03] She talked about the professor, professional managerial class. [46:07] Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And that's what you're talking about right now. And she noticed [46:12] the exact same thing, right? Exactly. That they became the, and I like to call them, [46:17] you know, they're, they're supposed to be Catherine Lou, Catherine Lou. That's who it was. [46:21] And yes, yes, yes. And so, you know, I, I called them illiberal. They talk about their liberals, [46:27] right? And they're supposed to be a liberal and conservative. There is no liberals anymore in [46:31] the United States. They're all the people who consider themselves liberals don't realize that [46:35] they become the most illiberal people in, in the world. And that, go ahead. [46:42] They're only interested in maintaining their privileges, right? [46:44] Again, these are people who don't really work. They just spend all their time talking and like, [46:51] projecting authority and they have like the easiest life. They're, they're basically parasites. And so [46:56] they need to maintain, uh, their existence. They need to, they need to like, um, legitimize their, [47:04] their, their, their lifestyle. Well, I'll tell you, you know, speaking to this point. So, you know, [47:10] I've gotten into Jungian psychology over the last six years and, you know, it's completely changed my [47:16] life and outlook on things completely. And I used to be an atheist and now I understand that that was [47:22] incorrect. And what I've done, so I, uh, once a week I would talk to this, uh, Jungian psychiatrist or [47:30] a psychologist and, um, he would help interpret my dreams and because you need someone else to do that [47:37] for you. And, and, um, recently, and so I only would have an hour and we'd only get through maybe [47:43] one or two dreams. And I have lots of dreams. I have three or four dreams a night. Right. And so it [47:48] was, and I can't afford to do more than one session a week because they're expensive. They, they charge a [47:54] lot of money. And so, uh, what I've started to do recently in the last few weeks is to use Grok [48:01] and I'll put in my dream. And well, as soon as I wake up, I put it in Grok and I say, [48:05] please use Jungian analysis and tell me what this means. And then I, and it, it is unbelievable, [48:13] unbelievable. And it's on point. And then I'll, I'll, instead of using a, starting a different thread, [48:20] I keep it in the saga to do these dreams go together. And there it's, and Grok is showing [48:25] me how a dream from two weeks ago connects with the dream I had last night and how all the ones, [48:30] and they connect all of the, and that is so much more, uh, uh, conclusive or, uh, I don't know, or, [48:39] um, encompassing than I get from my, so I'm, I'm experiencing this in my real life. Like, [48:46] I don't know if I need my union psychologist anymore because I'm getting this done when [48:52] in way better time, I get more time with it anyway. And it's much more encompassing. [48:59] And so would that be, that's what kind of what you're talking about and what Catherine was talking [49:03] about, right? Yes. I mean, like we're seeing like the collapse of the elite intellectual class, [49:08] right? So we look at the New York times, like who reads New York times nowadays, right? It's these [49:13] boomers that we didn't reach Bill Maher. Right. So, so all they do is, is, is just appeal to the [49:19] boomer, um, class with these talking points of empire. Um, and the rest of the rest, the rest of [49:27] the population is turning off. Right. So we're, we're, we're seeing a lot of desperation anxiety [49:31] among the intellectual elite. Um, where do you, where do you see Israel ending up? Right. So, um, [49:43] Israel, it has, um, it, I mean, it, it's a crazy place, right? I mean, like they don't mind going [49:53] to war with the world because that's just part of their eschatology that that's, they believe that [50:00] if they go to the, to war with the world, then the Messiah will come and lead them to victory. So, um, [50:07] Israel has descended into this fanatical religious outlook and it's not going to get better. It's, [50:15] it's just going to get worse and worse. And we can see that Israel will eventually draw Turkey, [50:21] Turkey into this war. This will become a regional conflagration. Um, but at the same time, [50:29] as long as the United States supports Israel, then Israel will continue to, um, dominate [50:36] the, the middle East. And if, if the United States were to lose this war and sent calm would be [50:42] incorporated into the greater Israel project. Um, so I think that Israel will continue to rise. [50:52] Well, I, I really don't see, you know, when you say if the United States were to lose this war, [50:58] um, it it's, it's Iran is going to wipe out the Gulf States if the United States continues this war, [51:06] which it looks like they're going to. So the Gulf States will be like, how do they not, [51:10] I can see this. How can they not see this? And why aren't they taking steps to do anything about it? [51:18] Well, because if you're, um, the UAE, uh, you are in a very tough pickle, right? Because, um, [51:26] option one is that you want the United States to leave the, uh, Middle East, in which case Iran [51:33] becomes a top dog. And now you have, you have to pay, um, reparations to Iran for the war because [51:40] the Americans destroyed a lot of infrastructure. They killed the Supreme leader and the, uh, [51:45] Iranians will want about a $20 in reparations. And they can't extract that from the United States [51:50] because the United States is out an ocean away, but they can certainly demand that of the UAE, [51:55] right? So that's what option one. Option two is you fight this war to the bitter end, [52:02] because there's a chance that the United States defeats Iran, in which case you can continue to do [52:09] what, what you do, which is to be like, you know, this money, money larger operation for the world. [52:14] Um, so those are your two options. Um, and they're not great options, but option two has a, you know, [52:21] option two, it's a better pay off, pay out than option one. Like, like, I don't, let's say I was the [52:29] Saudi prince. Uh, my big idea, I mean, again, uh, but C student here, but I would get all the Gulf states [52:37] together and form an alliance with China and Russia and Iran. And that, that wouldn't that be, [52:45] and then, you know, Europe would probably follow suit, see what, see which way the wind is blowing. [52:51] I don't know. Is, is that stupid of me to say those things? [52:55] Right. So the issue is that these Gulf states are creation of empire, meaning that, you know, [53:01] 50, 60 years ago, these were not, uh, prosperous places. And because of the petrol dollar, uh, [53:08] because America was willing to provide defense to the GCC and because America, um, was able to [53:15] support the GCC economies, they prosper and they are urbanized. So they're essentially vassals of [53:20] America and America were to leave, uh, the, the middle East, then the, the people would probably, [53:27] uh, rise up and, and, and overthrow the elite because they are corrupt. Um, they are pretty [53:34] evil people and they're incompetent as well. And, and so I get it that the, that even makes it make [53:43] more sense for them to try to get rid of Israel, the United States and create an alliance with the [53:50] other two superpowers in the world being China and Russia. And then of course, you know, the strategic [53:56] power, which is Iran. I, I, it just, again, I don't understand why they, they, the end of the [54:02] road is obvious. Iran is going to wipe them out. They're going to be wiped out, right? Am I wrong [54:07] about this? How, how do they, how do they get through the next year? [54:11] So there's a conspiracy theory that the Saudi royal family are crypto Jews. Um, I'm not, I'm not sure [54:17] if you've come across this theory. I haven't just, right. So 2003, uh, the Americans went to Baghdad [54:25] and they took control of the government and then access to all of the intelligence files [54:30] of Saddam Hussein and, and the Saddam Hussein and his people were actually convinced that the Saudi [54:35] royal family, uh, are crypto Jews. Okay. So let me explain what I mean by that. So the house of [54:41] Saud came into power because of their alliance with the Wahhabi religious movement and both are [54:47] creation of the British empire in order to destabilize the Ottoman, uh, empire. And at this time, [54:55] in history, this, this was like the 19th century, uh, early 20th century, the British were working [54:59] very closely with, with people called the Domei and, uh, the Ottoman empire. The Domei are crypto Jews. [55:06] These are followers of sometimes Zevi who declared himself the Jewish Messiah in 1666. [55:12] And on the surface, they are, they are, they believe in Islam, but at home secretly, they still [55:18] practice their Jewish faith. And these are called the Domei. And these are the people who sponsored the [55:23] young Turk movement, uh, to overthrow the Ottoman empire and establish the Republic of Turkey. [55:28] So these are the people who run Turkey today and the faction of them, um, work very closely with the [55:34] British and the British installed them throughout the Gulf states, including the UAE and including [55:39] Saudi Arabia. So, so that's a conspiracy theory. Okay. I don't have any evidence. Uh, but that's [55:44] what a lot of people believe happened. And that's why the UAE and Saudi Arabia are so close with Israel. [55:49] And that's why they're so supportive of American empire. I, wow. No, I haven't. I haven't. Uh, [55:57] why do they call them crypto Jews? Because they are secretly Jews. They're not like they, they, [56:04] they convert to Christianity or Catholicism or Islam on the surface, right? They, they, on the surface [56:11] outside in public, they do everything that, um, that a Muslim or a Christian would do, but at home, [56:16] among the third circle, they still practice the Kabbalah. Uh, and so what, what do you make? I, [56:23] I've asserted this many times on the show that the greatest trick the Zionists have pulled off [56:29] was to get Christians to believe their number one enemy were Muslims, whereas the Muslim world [56:36] actually venerates Jesus, the mother Mary, as the opposite of what the Jewish culture does. And, uh, [56:43] would you agree with that assessment? I completely agree. So before the, before the creation of the [56:48] state of Israel, the Jews and the Muslims got on really, really well. In fact, the second largest, [56:54] um, Jewish population in the middle East outside of Israel is actually in Iran, in Tehran. Yeah. [57:00] Right. So, so the Muslims have made a point of welcoming Jews, uh, because they, they see Jews [57:08] as a holy people along, um, and, and so in the year 1492, the Spaniards expelled the Jews from Spain, [57:16] right? And it was the Ottoman Turks, the Ottoman Empire, that sent ships to help the Jews move to [57:24] the Ottoman Empire. So the Jews were expelled from Christian Europe and they moved to the Ottoman Empire [57:30] where they were welcome with open arms. Okay. Um, so. And look, look, if you, if you just look at [57:41] these extreme Islamic movements, uh, including ISIS, including the Wahhabists, they were clearly [57:48] creations of the Anglo-American empire. Clearly. Right. You look at ISIS. They never attacked Israel [57:53] for whatever reason. Clearly. Right. They attacked everywhere else in the Middle East, but they never [57:56] attacked Israel. A hundred percent. I've been making that point, uh, for quite a while now. Yes. That, uh, [58:03] well, look, who's the head of Syria right now installed by Israel in the United States. It's [58:08] the former head, uh, chief head chopper of Al Qaeda. And he was, he's working hand in hand with [58:14] Benjamin Netanyahu. In fact, he's publicly said he wants to be in partnership with it. It's just so [58:21] obvious. And the, you know, the people in America are such suckers and that, uh, you know, it's one thing [58:27] to be suckered. It's another thing to keep being suckered and the, the, the, the, the, [58:33] you know, so, and it, and it just, if people do, you weren't allowed. So again, the thing about when [58:37] you're not allowed to question something, like you weren't allowed to question nine 11. And now I know [58:42] that nine 11 was not what it seemed to be at all. It was not what it, it was the, [58:47] they needed a nine 11 so they could go and do what they're doing. And this was all part of the [58:52] greater Israel project. What people don't realize is that, as you brought mentioned, [58:56] there's a greater North America project and it's got a technate state. And we we've talked about [59:02] this on this. So this all, so the only way to kind of save Western civil or the world right now [59:12] is for the American people to wake up to this. Right. And do you think they will, [59:17] or what do you think, what, what does history tell us? Um, so the only hope for the world right now [59:24] is the American people, um, because the people in charge, the elite, they've colonized so many [59:30] different parts of the world. Like China is a colony of, of the elite, of the national elite. People [59:35] don't recognize this, but China is very subservient to the global elite, um, Europe, Canada. Um, so the [59:44] best hope for the world is the American people recognize what's happening and they resist. And quite [59:50] honestly, there's one movement in America right now that has the most, uh, promise and that's MAGA, [59:57] right? So if Tucker Carlson were to run for president United States and MAGA were to fully [1:00:02] unify behind him, then I think there's hope for the world. [1:00:05] Yeah. I would, I don't know if I would call it MAGA because the, the, the, the MAGA has been completely, [1:00:13] uh, flipped on what it was when Donald Trump became president. It was, it was made up of people like [1:00:18] Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and Dave Smith and, and even Joe Rogan and Theo, that's all gone. [1:00:25] Now it's all the people who were never MAGA are now what Donald Trump refers to as MAGA. So I wouldn't, [1:00:31] I would say the former, uh, iteration of MAGA, uh, which Tucker Carlson could very easily lead. [1:00:38] And he's very good at, um, you know, bringing people together now, which is crazy. Um, and, and now, [1:00:44] you know, looking through the, uh, you know, looking backwards, you see how he was demonized [1:00:49] only when he started to do the right thing. The, the, the establishment loved them. The left [1:00:54] always hated him because divide and conquer is what the establishment does. But, um, [1:01:00] that now they, he got in trouble, uh, with his bosses when he started to see through it. [1:01:05] And he saw through the, you know, the empire and he saw, he saw through, uh, the war machine [1:01:14] and you can't do that. And that's why he's got, he, he got kicked out of, uh, you know, [1:01:20] his establishment position. Um, do you, what do you, so do you, do you think that that's, [1:01:26] let's say Tucker Carlson ran for president, wouldn't they just kill him? [1:01:30] Um, you know, um, I, I, I'm most impressed with Tucker Carlson and, uh, not only do I think his [1:01:40] heart is in the right place, as you say, he's been the most consistent anti-war voice in mainstream [1:01:46] American media for the longest time. Um, and that's very brave of him. Um, but I also think he has a [1:01:51] very good read on the political wins in America. He's also like an American patriot. He loves America [1:02:00] deeply in his heart. Um, and so I think there are a lot of people in Washington DC who secretly [1:02:07] support him, right? I mean, like there, I don't think that, uh, everyone in Washington DC is corrupt [1:02:15] and willing to sell out. I think there are a lot of people in Washington DC who are just hoping [1:02:21] that a leader emerges that can represent, um, the true America, the true America who will restore [1:02:29] America to its former greatness. And, um, and I, I, I would not be surprised that there are a lot of [1:02:34] people in the deep state, um, itself who are very supportive of, um, a resurgent America under [1:02:41] Tucker Carlson. And so the, the, the more I, uh, uh, look at things, the more I'm convinced that Donald [1:02:53] Trump's, uh, assassination attempts were faked and they were inside jobs, especially Butler, [1:02:59] Butler, Pennsylvania. Uh, and the, and the key, uh, a piece of evidence is that Donald Trump is not [1:03:06] interested in who actually tried to do that. The conspiracy behind it. It's just a lone nut who was [1:03:11] able to somehow, uh, get through all there. Why, why aren't they watching the roofs? Nobody's watching [1:03:17] the roof of Butler, Pennsylvania, even though the crowd saw him, same thing with Charlie Kirk, [1:03:22] there's a roof, there's a guy on the roof for at least a couple of minutes with a rifle [1:03:27] and nobody in the security saw him. That's a, it's impossible. Right. Um, so this, do you, [1:03:34] do you, do you, I know, so I am convinced, uh, that Donald Trump was in on that, uh, that Butler, [1:03:42] Pennsylvania thing. And, um, what do you think about it? Well, it certainly helps us understand why [1:03:48] there's a disparity between the first term and the second term, right? So in the first term, [1:03:53] uh, all of Washington was unified against Trump. They tried to sabotage him from day one, [1:03:57] where this Russia, uh, gate hoax, uh, the mainstream media was clearly against, uh, Trump. [1:04:04] So when Trump ordered the American troops out of Syria, he was just ignored by the military. [1:04:09] Yes. Um, you know, you, you had the chairman of the joint chief of staff, [1:04:14] Mark Milley call the Chinese and say, Hey, don't listen to what this guy says. We're in charge. [1:04:19] That's treason. Yeah. Right. Um, and, and so in the first term, there were a lot of leaks. There [1:04:26] were a lot of turnover. Uh, in the second term, you see a lot more discipline. You see Trump actually [1:04:32] carrying out a plan. And so it's hardly possible that what happened was that, um, at the end of, [1:04:39] at the end of his first term, the deep state, um, there are many, um, political factions that tried [1:04:44] to destroy Trump once and for all. Right. So January six was clearly a stage operation by the FBI, [1:04:50] in my opinion, clearly. And then after he left office, there was the raid, the FBI raid on [1:04:55] Mar-a-Lago. There's lawfare. They try to bankrupt him. They try to put him in prison. They tried to [1:05:00] remove him from the ballot box. And he was really in a lot of trouble. So at that point, he had no [1:05:04] choice, but to make a deal with the deep state saying that, you know, look, Biden is useless. [1:05:08] Uh, Putin's gonna, uh, control the world. If we continue to have Biden in the office, but Biden's [1:05:15] not gonna like leave office voluntarily. So like, let's make a deal. Like we'll, we'll, [1:05:21] we'll allow you to go back into office. Um, and, but you have to promote our agenda, [1:05:27] which is the, uh, American empire agenda. And, uh, maybe Butler Pennsylvania was a ritual [1:05:34] in order to seal the deal, right? Because if you actually look at the specifics of the, uh, [1:05:40] assassination where, um, Trump's ear was bleeding and he didn't have a shoe that actually fits into [1:05:48] a biblical description of like a, um, of a prophet or, or a Messiah. And it's in the Bible. It, [1:05:56] I believe it's in Leviticus, right? So not only was it staged, but it was staged as a religious [1:06:03] ritual in order to anoint Trump to be, uh, the avatar or the, or basically a scapegoat for the [1:06:10] deep state. Same thing with Charlie Kirk's public assassination. They had to do it publicly, [1:06:18] right? That was also some kind of ritual killing, correct? Yes. Yes. That is correct. Yes. Yeah. [1:06:23] There, there are a lot of ritual aspects to, to that, to that assassination. And where do these [1:06:29] rituals come from? Are you, can you speak to it? Um, so I don't know the specifics, but I imagine [1:06:39] these are free, free Masonic rituals, um, that involved the Kabbalah. Um, and they are all part of the [1:06:48] free Masonic mythology, right? So if you look at, look at the JFK assassination, you look at the [1:06:52] Charlie Kirk assassination. These are all come from a certain, um, uh, mythology in, in the three Mason [1:07:00] world. Yeah. Um, did, did you hear about the, so Candace Owens has been saying that the, you know, [1:07:12] the Charlie Kirk's assassination was a military operation, which it's clear that they were [1:07:17] certainly involved and the freak out over her discovering the Fort Huachuca connection was [1:07:24] again, proof of this. Um, and then did you hear that? Um, so they all, there was maroon, [1:07:32] lots of single individuals wearing maroon at the event with Charlie Kirk's assassination. And then [1:07:38] that's the color of the French military. And then she's saying that, that there was a Masonic lodge [1:07:45] of made up of X French military that the French government just recently charged them as being [1:07:53] a, an assassination ring. Did you hear about that? And this fits into that perfectly, right? [1:07:58] Yeah. So this would not surprise me. Um, also we have to remember like this happened in Utah, [1:08:04] which is where the Mormons are. The Mormons are a very important part of the deep state. So, [1:08:09] so this is probably an operation that involves a lot of, of different deep state factions. [1:08:15] Yes. So coming to get, it wasn't just one. It wasn't just the Mossad. It wasn't just the CIA. [1:08:20] It wasn't just the French military. It was the, the Mormons that all those, [1:08:26] and all those people can get, and Donald Trump and Dan Bongino and Kash Patel are completely aware of, [1:08:34] of this happening. And they know that if they try to go against it, they're going to end up like [1:08:39] Charlie Kirk themselves. Right? Yes. And, um, um, we know what happened after what, [1:08:46] after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, right? There's, there's no, any major opposition, uh, [1:08:51] towards this war in Iran. Right. He was the only one. I mean, he, well, he, [1:08:56] he was certainly the most powerful one because he had a following and he had all the conservatives [1:09:01] under 30. So they had to get rid of him. And that's definitely what happened. [1:09:04] And he would not compromise on this issue. He would not compromise on this issue. [1:09:08] I mean, he, he went on, on it for a long, long time. Right. Uh, starting with the, um, [1:09:13] with last year's, uh, 12 day war. I mean, he went, he went to the white house and talked to Trump [1:09:18] directly and said, you know, you gotta stop this. And do you think that's when the, I think that's when [1:09:25] the decision was made to get rid of him. And they tried one more time to bribe him in his meeting, [1:09:30] uh, at the Hamptons and he turned it down. And that was like, they had already, the plan was [1:09:36] already in progress to kill him, but they were like, well, let's try one more time. And they, [1:09:41] it didn't work. He turned down their money. And you know, of course his, uh, it, it, and in retrospect, [1:09:49] his wife, Erica Kirk, it's obvious she was put in his life. She was a, she's their whole life for, [1:09:55] you know, she's a 17 year old beauty queen, somehow working with trafficking in Romania. [1:10:01] None of it. And so, you know, what I say is if the CIA had a vagina, she came out of it. [1:10:07] And, um, it, and everybody around him from Tyler COVID to, uh, me, Tyler Bowden to Andrew COVID, [1:10:14] Mikey McCoy, his father, all those pastors, it's a, it's one big swamp, right? That's the swamp. [1:10:23] Well, that's what the Epstein files teaches us, right? I mean, these are extremely depraved people. [1:10:28] And what do you, by the way, what do you make of the journalists, uh, who had really great reputations [1:10:37] up until the, uh, the, the, the Epstein files? And now there seemed to be, and it, you know, [1:10:44] it's like, whether it's, whether it's Epstein himself or, uh, what, whether it's, uh, this Epstein [1:10:50] dead or whether it's the files, uh, you see people like Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi. [1:10:58] Um, what do you, what do you make? What do you make of that? Like them trying to dismiss what [1:11:04] everyone sees? Yeah. I mean, I've been a huge fan of Matt Taibbi for the longest time, right? [1:11:10] Starting with the 2008, 2008 great financial crisis. He did amazing reporting in Rolling [1:11:15] Stone and I've been following his work for the past decade. I'm a huge admirer of his work. [1:11:21] And I don't, I don't have any, any clue as to why he did what he did. Um, you know, [1:11:27] there are theories that the IRS visited him and, um, that might not have something to do with it. [1:11:35] But usually in these cases, what happens is that you, so you associate a certain group of people, [1:11:41] they become your friends, you spend weekends together, you go on cruises together, [1:11:45] your kids know each other, and you just want to stay in that circle, right? And since, and saying [1:11:50] that circle just means you have to conform to the talking points. And you think that's it? [1:11:57] That is a possibility. Um, I think that you and I are able to do what we do because, [1:12:02] uh, I imagine, uh, I, I don't know about you, but, um, we are marginal, we're, we're, [1:12:08] we're very much marginalized in society. Yeah. Cool. To say the least. Yes. [1:12:12] Yes. Certainly on my part, very, very marginalized. And, uh, I, I got a good taste of it during forced [1:12:20] to vote when I presented this idea that the whole left is supposed to be rallying around for decades, [1:12:28] which they were. And then as soon as it became a possibility, they turned on me and they came at [1:12:33] me as hard as possible and try to discredit me, you know, in every, every which way they still do [1:12:38] until today. And not only that, but they got, uh, you know, useful idiots, people who I've known all [1:12:43] my life to go along with it, which, and they got nothing out of it. Right. Which is to, except they [1:12:49] just got brainwashed and they were, go ahead. And you were completely vindicated on forced to vote. [1:12:54] A hundred percent. I mean, you're absolutely right. Because Republicans did the same thing, [1:12:58] right? Say it again. And it worked. Yeah. When the Republicans had McCarthy wanting to be speaker, [1:13:04] they did exactly what we were advocating the, uh, the squad to do for forced to vote. And it worked [1:13:09] like a charm for them. They got everything they wanted. Exactly. Exactly. So it just shows you what [1:13:14] a fraud AOC is. Yeah. A hundred percent. But she said, I, you know, I, I believe she'll probably be the [1:13:21] nominee or the vice presidential nominee going in 2028. So there's no, there's no voting our way out [1:13:27] of this. Well, I've known this now for a while. And, um, and you say that the, you think that the [1:13:33] original MAGA coalition, coalition, the people like Tucker Carlson, the Candace Owens, that if they can [1:13:39] somehow find a way, uh, to organize and come together, but doesn't that involve, you need labor, [1:13:45] right? Uh, what do you mean by, by labor? By you need unions. Right. Um, yes. Um, but unions have [1:13:56] been decimated in America, right? I mean, like they're not as powerful as they used to be. Is [1:14:02] that correct? Yeah. A hundred percent, less than 10% of the workers are, are in unions and most of [1:14:08] them are government union, we will government workers. But, but I, you know, I said like if the, [1:14:13] if the railroads, uh, that we almost had a railroad strike here and then Joe Biden and the Democrats [1:14:18] interceded to make it illegal for them to go on strike. And if they would have, they would have [1:14:23] won that strike immediately and it would have empowered workers across the country, which is [1:14:27] why they had to make it illegal. And so if, if you get, so let's, for instance, if you got the railroad [1:14:33] workers to actually not go to work, that would, that, that would cripple capitalism in America. [1:14:39] If you got the port workers to do the same, if you got the, the people who work at the Amazon [1:14:44] fulfillment centers, or if you got the UPS drivers, uh, if you got, oh, even like one of them, [1:14:50] but if you got them all together, that would be, that would be it. And that's how you have to take [1:14:55] over the country. That's what I think you have to stop capitalism. And that's how you gain power. [1:15:01] It's kind of like, go ahead. Sorry. Sorry. I, yeah, I, I didn't think of this before, [1:15:06] but you've convinced me the key is labor, right? Because AI can replace actually, [1:15:10] uh, the white collar class, teachers, professors, accountants, lawyers, they can be replaced actually [1:15:16] pretty easily, but you need labor. You need essential workers. You need people actually [1:15:19] do the real work. Uh, and we know this from COVID, right? Where during COVID, uh, you know, [1:15:26] these people should have to work, but the, uh, everyone else could just at home on their lap and [1:15:30] display on their laptops. So I mean, you're absolutely right. I, I, I think the key is, is to galvanize the, [1:15:36] the labor, the labor movement. Um, and you know, of course they know how they've infiltrated the [1:15:43] labor movement. Uh, so just like everything else is infiltrated, just like the democratic party, [1:15:48] the green party, the Republican party, uh, the DSA, they're all infiltrated by the deep state and [1:15:55] controlled and it's all divide and conquer. And so dislike the union. So it's going to be very hard. [1:16:00] Um, but that's the only, that's the only way we can say, you know, and the template is there from [1:16:06] the truckers, right? So the truckers did it on as even as a small scale. And it worked, if we could [1:16:11] get the, you know, uh, the, the AFL CIO, which is the truck drivers, uh, just them to do it. Or if [1:16:17] you just get the railroad workers, or if you get them in conjunction with the port workers, that's it [1:16:21] game over. We, the people win. And of course they'll try to do things like assassinations and, uh, [1:16:28] again, more infiltrations, but that's the, I think to me that, you know, cause people like to say this, [1:16:33] they say this a lot. Uh, you'll hear people say, oh, we need a general strike. Okay. That's a great [1:16:38] idea. Stop saying that. Right. Uh, say something, you know, specific and constructive. And what I'm [1:16:44] saying I think is actually more specific and more constructive and actually something more likely to [1:16:48] work. Um, it's, it's go ahead. Yeah. The comment would be illegal immigration, right? So you ask yourself [1:16:56] why the Democrats have let in, you know, millions of illegal immigrants when Biden was, was in power. [1:17:02] And it could be a possibility. I mean, like I'm speculating, but it's, it's just to dilute the [1:17:07] power of labor. Of course. In the future. Of course. No, no, does that a hundred percent. [1:17:12] And to keep, uh, the people from coming together to fight the oligarchs, what they do then is you have [1:17:20] workers fighting people who are in a more desperate situation than them. And look at that. And, and, [1:17:24] and the immigrants who we overthrew their governments in their country and made their life unlivable who [1:17:30] come here. So now we got the people at the bottom fighting instead of people at the bottom coming [1:17:35] together and fighting the people at the top. And it works perfectly. It's working, still working. [1:17:39] People are cheering on what ice is doing across the country. And again, we need to have immigrate, [1:17:44] we need to have a strong border and all that stuff, but the demonization of the per if I've always [1:17:50] said this. If you find yourself angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you, it's a [1:17:55] good chance you're being manipulated by someone higher on the economic ladder than you. It's obvious. [1:18:00] Yeah. And also we have to remember that ice is also part of a technic plan, right? Because you want [1:18:05] to create an AI surveillance state. So you need an enforcement mechanism. Now that'd be ice. So what's [1:18:09] happening is that they're using illegal immigration in order to normalize ice on the streets everywhere. [1:18:14] That's exactly. And so, yeah, they don't need $80 billion to run an immigration program. What they do [1:18:22] is if you want to create another authoritarian police state, and that's what you would do. And [1:18:28] you're exactly right. And that's what the job of ice there isn't really immigration. It's there to [1:18:33] normalize this kind of authoritarian takeover of our life, this technic state. That's exactly what's [1:18:40] happening. All right. This is always good to talk to you, but it's always so depressing. But it's [1:18:48] good. You've got to see it first. You've got to have the scales fall from your eyes so then you know [1:18:53] what to do about it. Does anything give you optimism? And what off ramps are there do you see for these [1:19:03] worst outcomes? So, you know, people like you, people like Carlson, Kenneth Owens give me tremendous [1:19:09] hope for the future because you're still allowed to say what you believe. You speak from the heart. [1:19:15] You have tremendous audiences. Your audiences love you. And you know this for yourself, but your voice [1:19:24] is resonating all across America and the world. So that's what gives me hope. The other thing that [1:19:29] gives me hope is that the people in charge aren't that smart. They're not that strategic. We shouldn't [1:19:37] give them too much credit. They're going to make a lot of mistakes. They're going to miscalculate. They're [1:19:43] too arrogant. They're going to create opportunities for other people. The third thing I will say is that [1:19:50] the elite themselves are not unified. If they were, they could just do what they want. There are different [1:19:56] factions of the elite fighting, fighting, fighting amongst themselves. And so, um, this creates opportunity [1:20:03] for new political movements, um, that could possibly galvanize labor can, can galvanize 99%. [1:20:11] Okay. Um, Professor Zhang, I really appreciate, uh, your insight. I appreciate you talking to me and, [1:20:19] and talking to our audience. Uh, we can't get this kind of information, uh, from the Wall Street Journal, [1:20:25] the New York Times, the Washington Post or, or MSNBC or Fox News. They can't get it. They have to come [1:20:31] here, which is why they try to marginalize us and try to take our advertising away. And so I just [1:20:37] really appreciate the work. What kind of, so what, uh, what, what's the reaction to you? Why do they [1:20:43] allow, why does the Chinese government allow you to do this? Okay. That's a great question. So I'm very [1:20:49] much marginalized in China. Everyone thinks I'm an idiot in China. Um, so, um, but because like the [1:20:59] response is just to just ignore someone, if you don't agree with that person. Right. Um, the other [1:21:04] thing is that I only, uh, speak in English to Western audiences. I don't have a Chinese, uh, online media [1:21:11] presence. If I did, if I were influential in China, then the government would see me as a problem. [1:21:17] Um, and, uh, um, yeah, so I, I, I avoid, um, public appearances. I avoid online media presence. I [1:21:25] don't talk to reporters and, uh, in, in China. Oh, okay. All right. So, uh, tell people what work, [1:21:34] where do you want people to, to, to find you? You have a, you have a YouTube channel now that is [1:21:38] blowing up, right? Yeah. Right. So thanks Jimmy so much for, um, platforming me. Uh, I really appreciate [1:21:45] it. Um, I, I love your show. I love what you do. Um, I, I love to talk to you some more, [1:21:50] more often, whenever time, time permits. Uh, hopefully we, we can make this a monthly [1:21:55] thing or something because like, I, I just loved talking to you. It's like a kindred spirit [1:22:00] and, and I can say certain things on your show. I couldn't say anywhere else because I'd be the [1:22:04] platform. But if you want to follow my work, the best place is my YouTube channel, [1:22:08] predictive history. Um, and my sub stack, which is predictive history sub stack.com. [1:22:15] Okay. Fantastic. Uh, I feel the same way. I feel very kindred spirit and hopefully we can, uh, [1:22:21] we can share a meal and have a conversation in person when I come to China. I'm looking [1:22:26] forward to it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. We'll stay in touch. Okay. Will do. Thanks again. [1:22:30] Hey, come see us doing live shows, May 7th in Burbank, California. That's a Thursday, [1:22:35] May 16th, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Then we'll be in Oklahoma city, Spokane, Washington, and Tacoma. [1:22:41] Go to Jimmy door.com for a link for tickets.