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The Briefing With Jen Psaki 7/7/26 — 🅼🆂🅽🅱️🅲 Breaking News Today July 7, 2026

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"I'm going to talk a lot about the Senate and the pursuit of the Senate for Democrats, but there's a fun story. I know you've heard it. You've talked about it. And that is, given Republicans have been pursuing voter fraud, they've been kind of obsessed. All of them have been. And now maybe, maybe..."

[0:00] I'm going to talk a lot about the Senate and the pursuit of the Senate for Democrats, but [0:05] there's a fun story. I know you've heard it. You've talked about it. And that is, given Republicans [0:11] have been pursuing voter fraud, they've been kind of obsessed. All of them have been. And now [0:15] maybe, maybe they have found their guy who may have actually committed it. One of their own, [0:22] the very one and only Ken Jackson. I'm so glad you're doing this. I'm so glad you're doing this [0:27] story. In fact, I was like, a little like, I was like, oh, we should have done that tonight. [0:29] And I'm glad that you are because, man, it is a good one. And also, you really can't, [0:35] you need to live where you vote. Like, you do actually have to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Also, [0:41] when the alleged mistress is the secondary part of the story, because it's really about [0:46] where you live, it really tells you a lot about the guy anyway. We're going to talk to the reporter [0:51] who reported that from ProPublica and lots more as well in the next hour. But have a good night. [0:56] I'll see you tomorrow. All right. Okay. We're all basically waiting for Graham Plattner to drop [1:05] out of the race for Maine Senate. It is hard to imagine any other possible outcome at this point. [1:10] And to be clear, there has been a steady stream of scandal and controversies about Plattner [1:15] for months now. And through most of it, the voters of Maine and his top supporters have stuck with him. [1:21] It's been kind of a fascinating political story to watch. But Politico's reporting yesterday on [1:28] allegations of sexual assault were the final straw for good reason. And then late today, [1:33] the Washington Post published another accusation from another of Plattner's ex-girlfriends alleging [1:38] he had removed condoms without consent during sex. Now, I should note, Plattner's denied both of [1:44] these new allegations. But the calls for him to drop out of the race have now poured in from [1:51] basically every corner of the Democratic Party. Several of Plattner's high-profile endorsers like [1:57] Congressman Ro Khanna and Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have now all withdrawn their [2:02] support for his campaign. Other high-profile progressives who were not involved in the race, [2:06] but they've also called for him to drop out. People who are very powerful political forces like New York [2:13] Mayor Zoran Mamdani and Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez added their voices to the chorus of people [2:19] urging Plattner to withdraw. And look, I've worked in politics for a very long time, and I feel [2:25] pretty certain in saying that Graham Plattner is going to drop out of this race. I mean, to me, [2:29] the two tells are that he pulled down all of his public events, and he's currently reflecting on the [2:34] best path forward, and that according to reporting, he thinks he has leveraged in determining who replaces [2:41] him as the Democratic nominee for Senate. The main Democratic Party has a different view on that, [2:47] and we're going to talk about that as well. And the thing is, as long as he withdraws by Monday, [2:51] July 13th, the party can replace him on the ballot. And so now the conversation is turning to how the [2:57] Democratic Party found itself in this position. And that conversation has gone in a whole lot of [3:04] different directions. There are a whole lot of takes out there. I mean, for instance, there are a [3:09] number of people arguing that this was just a failure of Democratic vetting, that if Plattner had been [3:15] subject to a more rigorous, professionally-run vetting process from within the national party [3:19] that the national party ran, then he would not have been the nominee. Well, someone who's worked [3:24] on these campaigns, I'm here to tell you, it's not quite so simple. I mean, for starters, the vetting [3:29] process relies heavily on what the candidates themselves are willing to disclose. Also, of course, [3:36] searches of public records, but also what they're willing to disclose. And anyone who has followed the [3:42] Graham Plattner saga over the last few months knows that he has not been especially forthcoming [3:48] about things in his past, at least not until after those things become national stories. [3:54] Also, these latest and most serious allegations involve sexual assault. And we have all seen in [3:59] recent years how difficult it is for women to come forward and put their name to these allegations. [4:04] It is not the kind of thing that reliably comes up as a part of the vetting process, because [4:09] either the candidate would have to disclose, and again, we've already talked about that, [4:14] or accusers would have to be comfortable sharing their very personal trauma with representatives of [4:21] a candidate's campaign or with the national party. I mean, just look what happened earlier this year [4:26] when Congressman Eric Swalwell, someone who had been in elected office for years and nearly won his [4:31] party's nomination for governor of California. My point is processes can always be improved. That is [4:37] for sure. But there is no foolproof system for vetting political candidates. And to that end, [4:43] you will also hear a number of people argue that this proves the national party should be in charge [4:48] of the primary processes moving forward. That Plattner's nomination somehow proves that allowing a [4:53] grassroots candidate to rise doesn't work. But guess what? Voters are not waiting for instruction [5:00] from the national party. Voters have lost trust in the party establishment and direction from Washington. [5:05] That is very clear. Support from party leaders like Chuck Schumer has not helped candidates in this [5:10] cycle, not when it's front and center. And Maine is actually an example of that. It certainly did not [5:15] help Janet Mills in her campaign against Graham Plattner, and it doesn't change the general repulsion [5:20] toward Washington and disappointment in the political system. Now, don't get me wrong. There [5:25] are legitimate discussions to be had about how party leaders win back the trust of their voters. [5:29] That is a long-term project. It is not going to be completed in the next few days or even in the next few [5:35] weeks. And one place for those leaders to start is by asking themselves why Maine primary voters [5:42] were so enthusiastic about Plattner's campaign for so long in spite of all we learned along the way. [5:49] Understanding why his candidacy and his message resonated is going to be key for any candidate in [5:54] Maine and for the Democratic Party as a whole moving forward. Let's bring me to the big political [6:00] question on everyone's mind. What does the path for Democrats to retake the Senate look like now? [6:04] How has it changed? Now, in order to retake the Senate this year, Democrats will need to flip [6:09] four seats and also hold on to seats in states Donald Trump won in the last election, places like [6:14] Georgia, where Democrats have a very strong candidate in John Ossoff, but also where a deeply [6:19] flawed Republican candidate by the name of Herschel Walker won over 48 percent of the vote just four [6:25] years ago. It's hard to remember that. Democrats will also have to hold their seat in the swing state [6:30] of Michigan, where incumbent Democratic Senator Gary Peters is retiring. And this week, [6:35] the field of Democratic candidates running to replace him also just got a little bit smaller [6:39] when Democratic candidate Mallory McMorrow dropped out of the race and suspended her campaign. [6:45] And that leaves just two Democratic candidates in that race, Congresswoman Haley Stevens and Dr. [6:49] Abdul El-Sayed, who faced off against each other in a debate earlier tonight. And we're going to have [6:54] more on that in a moment. We're going to play you part of that in a moment as well. And if Democrats [6:59] can keep their Senate seats in places like Georgia and Michigan, they will still have to flip at least [7:03] four Republican seats. And there are a number of battlegrounds where that goal is within reach and [7:07] definitely remains in reach. In North Carolina, polls show Democratic Governor Roy Cooper is [7:12] currently crushing his Republican opponent, Michael Watley. In Texas, Democrat James Tallarico is facing [7:18] off against perhaps the most corrupt person on the ballot by the name of Ken Paxton. Same thing in [7:24] Iowa, where Democrat Josh Turek is pulling neck and neck with his Republican MAGA opponent, Ashley Hinson. [7:29] In Ohio, former Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown is in a tight race against incumbent Republican [7:34] John Husted. And even in deep red Alaska, Congresswoman Mary Peltola is in a close race [7:40] with incumbent Republican Dan Sullivan. So those are five Republican seats that Democrats could [7:45] reasonably win this November. They need four. And if Graham Plattner exits the race, which I very much [7:51] think he's going to, and allows another candidate to run in Maine, that state could once again be in [7:56] play as well. Of course, Republicans will no doubt try to nationalize the Plattner controversy [8:02] and make him an issue in all of these other races. We can, that's just, that's going to happen. [8:09] But let's be honest, those self-righteous arguments from this Republican party are [8:13] pretty freaking absurd. I mean, here was former Republican House Speaker Kevin McCarthy trying to [8:18] make this case just earlier today. The one thing I know about Republicans, when we had a very bad [8:26] candidate and found out, we didn't vote for that person. We walked away. For better or for worse. [8:31] When Matt Gaetz came forward, we got rid of him. I'm sorry. What? You know, we all saw this go down, [8:38] right? I mean, Kevin McCarthy, again, he says he and his party got rid of Matt Gaetz. And that's funny [8:44] because I remember it being, well, the other way around. I mean, Matt Gaetz spent years in Congress [8:50] under a cloud of allegation, allegations he denies. And during that time, it was Gaetz who led the charge [9:04] for his party to kick Kevin McCarthy out of his job as speaker. And Gaetz's career was just one of [9:09] many examples of Republicans looking the other way when members of their party were accused of sexual [9:16] assault. There's 2017, when the Republicans rallied against Senate candidate Roy Moore, despite multiple [9:21] allegations of inappropriate behavior with minors, allegations he denies. In 2022, they did the same [9:27] thing for Republican Senate candidate Herschel Walker, despite allegations of domestic violence, [9:32] allegations he also denied. And of course, that's all to say nothing of the way the party has [9:37] rallied around the current president, the man who bragged about assaulting women on tape, the man who [9:41] was found liable by a civil court for sexual abuse, the man who has had to deny so many accusations of [9:47] sexual misconduct that those accusations now have their own lengthy Wikipedia page. Welcome to 2026. [9:56] Look, there are a lot of good questions and valid critiques about how Graham Plattner became the [10:01] nominee. But it's worth noting that every major Democratic figure from Chuck Schumer to Bernie Sanders [10:06] have unequivocally called on him to drop out of the race over these allegations, just like every major [10:12] Democratic figure called on Eric Swalwell to drop out of his race just three months ago. Meanwhile, Republicans [10:18] have spent the last decade showing us time and time again that when it comes to holding their own members [10:24] accountable, they're either unwilling or incapable or some sad combination of both. And that is the real [10:32] choice voters will face in every single race this November. Joining me now to break all of this down [10:38] is Amy Walter, editor-in-chief of The Cook Political Report, and Jim Messina, former campaign manager for [10:43] Barack Obama. Okay, Jim, I know you've been taking this all in. You are a political animal in your soul [10:49] after all, just as I have over the past couple of days. What do you make where things stand right [10:55] now in Maine? Well, look, I can't believe that Plattner and his team think that they get to decide [11:01] who the Democratic nominee is. This, Amy, really pisses me off. It's just insane. Like, when you cause [11:09] this, you don't get to decide. When you've lied about your actions for months, including personally to [11:15] all of us, you don't get to decide. When you are trying to figure out, like, how to, if you're staying [11:23] in this race, you don't get to decide. It's like he thinks that he's going to make this decision. And the [11:29] fact is, and Amy talked about this in some of her tweets today, he's been underperforming more than [11:34] every other Senate Democratic candidate in America. When you look at this state, which is a seven or eight [11:40] point Democratic state, when you look at the national mood, he still only had a two point lead. He had [11:45] his own problems. It's not like, you know, his people are saying, well, he's got this movement and [11:50] everyone needs to get his movement. Democrats in Maine have to decide who is going to be the best [11:54] candidate to win in a general election. And that is someone who can win women voters. Susan Collins [12:00] continues to overperform these elections because she overperforms with women voters. And so it's not [12:05] about a Graham Plattner endorsement. It's about who the women of Maine want to see as their next [12:10] United States Senator. And I want to dig all into the process. The executive director of the Maine [12:15] Democratic Party actually just posted a video to your point, but we're going to play that in a second. [12:20] But first, I want to ask Amy about this because I think there's been this perception, right, that [12:26] the Plattner defied political gravity, right? You hear that over and over again. I've probably said it, [12:31] so I'm going to do a mea culpa here. But despite all, I mean, he seemed to still kind of hold [12:36] on to some semblance of support in Maine, even with as these controversies came out. But it sounds [12:41] like part of your data analysis is that he was underperforming other candidates and maybe that [12:46] was an overstatement. But what do you what do you make of how much he was able to hold on to and [12:52] what he lost? What should people understand about where the numbers actually were sitting even before [12:56] the last couple of days? Yeah, well, Jen, I think you made a good point in your opening, which is [13:01] even with all the baggage that he had as these Reddit posts that he had made came out, as a lot [13:10] of the opposition against him came out, support among Democrats did not wane. I was actually in Maine [13:18] that week that the first round of Reddit posts came out. And what I heard from people who were [13:27] actually at a Plattner rally that day say is, number one, we still stand behind you. And number [13:34] two, we're we are convinced that this is the work of Democrats in Washington. This is the sort of [13:41] thing that Washington insiders do to undercut real grassroots sort of establishment to people who go [13:51] against the establishment type of candidates. And I think if we learned anything from this race, [13:57] it was that two things can be true at the same time. Number one, the base is hungry for somebody [14:03] who is new and different, who speaks like somebody who is from the real world, not somebody who's from [14:09] Washington, not somebody who's been in politics a long time. The second is that the candidate of the [14:16] establishment, Janet Mills, was not very well liked within the Democratic Party in Maine. She was [14:24] respected, but they didn't they weren't dying to see her run in that slot. And so put those two things [14:33] together. And let's give Plattner his due. He is a very talented candidate on the stump. And I think [14:42] that also won voters over in the state. But fundamentally, I come back to the point Jim [14:48] and I have been making the same point. You know, if you're running a candidate in Montana, as Jim has [14:54] done, you want to find a candidate who fits that state and makes up for the deficiencies that Democrats [15:00] have in that state. In Maine, this is a blue state. This is not a red state. Democrats to win here do not [15:07] need to win Trump voters. They need to win over voters who have consistently voted for Democrats, [15:14] Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and yet have also voted for Susan Collins. Those voters, [15:23] as Jim and I have both noted, are women, overwhelmingly women, especially working class women and women who [15:31] have a college degree. That is where Susan Collins does best. White working class men. We've talked [15:38] so much about that group of voters. Who's going to appeal to them? If you look at the 2020 exit polls, [15:47] Joe Biden and Sarah Gideon, who was the nominee in 2020 against Susan Collins, both did as poorly [15:55] with white men as the other. Both lost them by 30 points. It was the women where Biden was able to [16:03] really outrun Gideon. It's such an important—I mean, ultimately, winning is about winning more [16:10] votes. I mean, it doesn't—it's about how you get there. Okay, Jim, you mentioned being pissed off—quite [16:16] pissed off, I get it—about the Plattner team thinking they have a say in who the nominee is. [16:21] And we just were able to pull up what the executive director of the Maine Democratic Party just posted [16:26] right before we came on air online about the replacement process. I want to play that because I think [16:31] a lot of people in the party have this, like, PTSD from 2024. So it's about where we go from here. [16:36] But let's play that and we'll talk about it. The integrity of this process is just as important [16:43] as the outcome. And we are committed to ensuring that Democrats across our state can have confidence [16:49] in both. Unfortunately, Graham Plattner's team has repeatedly reached out to us in an attempt to put [16:56] their thumb on the scale of what this process looks like. We have repeatedly reiterated to Graham [17:01] Plattner's team that they have no role in determining our next Democratic nominee for [17:07] the U.S. Senate, nor in determining what this process looks like. Okay, that sounds right to me. [17:14] I think the question is, what is the process going to look like and what should the process look like? [17:20] Because they have a time limit here. First of all, Plattner has not yet dropped out. I think [17:24] he's going to. He has until Monday the 13th. Then they have about two weeks to have a new [17:29] candidate. So, Jim, you've thought a lot about keeping coalitions together. What should this [17:34] process, give them some free advice right now, look like? Well, first of all, hallelujah to the [17:41] executive director of the Maine Democratic Party. She's exactly right. And that was her telling the [17:45] Plattner team and Graham Plattner to go jump into Maine Lake. The process should be very, [17:51] very grassroots. It should be very holistic. It should be incredibly transparent. You already [17:56] see some candidates out tonight talking about their interest in running, laying out policies. [18:01] You know, they had an over-index on very clear, very transparent, and very grassroots. [18:08] And I think those were the things that people didn't think happened during the 2024 presidential [18:14] selection for very good reasons. I don't want to relitigate it. But a lot of people were pissed [18:19] about that process. And my advice to Maine is just go back to what you're good at, which is [18:24] grassroots, and run a good process that people feel like they have a say in this, in their next [18:30] candidate, because you're going to need every single person to beat Susan Collins in November. [18:37] Amy, I'm sure people might start stopping you in the hallway or the street if they aren't already [18:42] to ask you who can actually defeat Susan Collins, as they do about every state. Is there enough known [18:47] about any of these candidates to even have data or know the answer to that question? And let me ask [18:51] you a two-parter, because there has been this belief that you can transfer, which I don't believe, [18:57] support from, say, Graham Plattner, his support from some working-class voters to another candidate, [19:04] like, say, that's the argument for Troy Jackson. Give us your take on that, too. [19:08] Right. I do not believe this conveys—like, you buy a house and you get the refrigerator with it. [19:15] You don't get to convey that with candidates. But it goes back to the concept here of who is the [19:24] right candidate to defeat Susan Collins. If you're the Democratic Party, that's the number one question [19:29] that you need to ask. And we've actually had an opportunity—Maine Democrats, actually, [19:35] have had an opportunity to do that in a gubernatorial primary that had a lot of candidates [19:43] who came from lots of parts of the state, from the ideological spectrum. And we can go back and look [19:50] at those candidates, how they performed, what they talked about. I think those are folks who also had [19:57] to go through the process of running for office. They have voting records. These are the sorts of things [20:03] that Maine voters have already been grading their candidates on. Obviously, this was for a [20:12] gubernatorial race, not a Senate race. But they know who these voters—I'm sorry, they know who these [20:17] candidates are, and they've already made that choice. So there's a lot of people out—I mean, [20:23] we're going to— So there are a lot of people out there who didn't win that nomination. [20:27] Exactly. That is true. [20:28] Who could be in the mix. And Troy Jackson's one of them, but he's not the only one. [20:32] That's true. I said there's a lot of people saying—putting out there, if people demand I [20:36] serve, I will serve. That is how I'm defining all the candidates coming forward. Okay, we have to [20:41] take a very quick break. We have a lot more to talk about because there's a lot of politics going [20:45] on right now, including a debate that just strapped up in one of the most interesting primary races [20:49] in the country, I think, at least. We'll be right back. Back with me now are Amy Walter and Jim [21:02] Messina. Okay, we're going to dig into Michigan. A debate just wrapped up between the two candidates [21:07] who are remaining in the race vying to become the Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate in Michigan. [21:12] This is—it's a must-win race. I think we can say that for Democrats. Both of the candidates [21:17] tonight were pressed on a lot of things, including the direction of the Democratic Party, as well as [21:22] the national implications of the race outside of Michigan. So take a listen to that. [21:26] I'll tell you this. It won't shift if we continue to elect leaders who take money from the same [21:34] corporations who have broken with the interests of the American public. Chuck Schumer desperately [21:39] wants one of us to be the next senator, and it's not me. So if you want your politics dictated [21:44] you by AIPAC or Chuck Schumer, then I'm not your guy. I think we need to go back to the [21:49] idea of government of the people, by the people, and for the people. [21:52] For me, this has always been about Michigan. And the reason I have put up my hand to run [21:59] for U.S. Senate is because of what I'm hearing from Michiganders, because a fully paralyzed [22:04] veteran reached out to me and asked me if he was still going to get his benefit check because [22:09] he saw Elon Musk walking around with a chainsaw. I have stood up, I have called these guys out, [22:16] and I am stopping these abuses of power. [22:18] All right, Jim Messina, you've watched a lot of primary debates. What did you make of that? [22:24] What does it tell us about the race for people who are just tuning into it? And what do people [22:28] know about the dynamics in this race? Well, look, I totally agree with you that there's just no [22:33] scenario in which we can lose Michigan and win the United States Senate. Like, this is a seat we have [22:38] to retain. And it's very clear. And that's, you know, McMorrow dropping out was a very big moment. [22:44] We now have a head-to-head race. This is one where I'm not neutral. Haley Stevens worked with me in the [22:50] White House, is one of the best humans I know. It is an incredible public servant, and I'm proud to [22:55] have done whatever I can to help her. But you see the distillation of the two arguments in the [23:00] Democratic Party. You see Dr. Syed saying, this is about revolution. This is about casting aside the [23:08] system that doesn't work. And you see Haley Stevens say, no, it's about normal pocketbook issues about [23:13] making government work and about affordability and the cost of living. And here's what I've done, [23:20] and here's what I will do. This is the fight we're having in the Democratic Party. And the fact [23:24] that we're having it in the Michigan Senate race in the middle of the summer, I think is incredibly [23:28] interesting and will tell us a lot about where the Democratic Party wants to go. Yeah, I mean, [23:34] the primary is up. Oh, go ahead, Amy. I was going to say, it's up just so people know. It's up in August 4th, [23:38] so it's coming up soon. But give us your take on where things stand in there. What you will let you [23:42] know. Jim, it's interesting, too, to say, oh, this is the fight that Democrats are having in 2026. [23:48] To me, I was having a flashback to the conversation Democrats were having in 2016. [23:54] This sounded a lot like a Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders debate from 2016. And so what we're really [23:59] watching is a Democratic Party that is still grappling with its identity. One side saying, listen, [24:06] to win over swing voters, you've got to go with the meat and potatoes, the bread and butter that [24:11] regular normie, non-really plugged-in politicos want to hear from the party. What are we going to [24:19] deliver to them? The other side says, no, even swing voters are so disgusted, so turned off by [24:26] politics as normal, is the only thing that they believe in now is somebody who comes from the [24:31] outside who can really change a system that has been—is it even more broken than it was 10 years [24:40] ago. So if you're Haley Stevens, what you really want is this race to be much more localized. If you [24:46] are El-Sayed, what you want is for this race to be very much nationalized, especially among national [24:53] Democrats. At the end of the day, it's likely going to come down to voters in and around Detroit, [24:59] especially African-American voters who make up a significant chunk of the voters in this state. [25:06] But boy, oh boy, right now, you'd have to say that El-Sayed is the one who's in the driver's seat. [25:12] You could tell in that debate because Haley Stevens came out swinging early and often trying to put him [25:18] on defense. But as you said, Jen, we still have three weeks to go, a lot of undecided voters and a lot [25:25] of money still to be spent. And I feel like a lot of money is going to be spent. Let me ask you, [25:31] Amy, about Mallory McMorrow and her voters. And she was much lower in the polls, at least the public [25:37] polls, that we saw than these two candidates who remain in the race. But there are still voters who [25:43] she was their first choice. There have been a lot of takes out there on where these voters are going [25:48] to go. Tell us what we actually know from the data about where they might go. [25:53] Yeah. I mean, this is the McMorrow challenge always was that she was a candidate who was both [25:59] an outsider, but could make the case that she had been in office and had won in places that are tough [26:07] for Democrats to win. So she was an electable outsider. And there was an appeal to that. [26:12] The argument that Haley Stevens would make and is making is many of those voters are the kinds of [26:19] women who live in and around the suburbs, who were looking for somebody who was a little bit [26:27] different, wasn't somebody who had necessarily been in Washington, but at least could make the [26:33] case for electability. If you're El-Sayed, you say, look, these are clearly voters who want an outsider. [26:38] They don't want somebody who's part of Washington. [26:40] At the end of the day, though, I think, you know, her share of the vote, at least in the [26:44] last polls that came out before she dropped out, she was in the single digits and the undecided voters [26:51] were somewhere between 15, 17 percent. So it's not just the McMorrow voters, it's those undecided [26:58] voters. And I think what Haley is banking on, Haley Stevens is banking on is those voters are the ones [27:05] that really are the bread and butter voters. They're not the ideological voters. Those voters have [27:10] already lined up behind El-Sayed. They get the rest is the, you know, the folks who want something out [27:19] of their politicians that is not something that is just simply about ideology or the kind of stuff [27:27] that you maybe talk about on a political talk show. Sorry. [27:31] They're all good. They're getting their news from a lot of places, but not necessarily from here. [27:38] Yeah. We certainly know that. Hello, if you are watching. Thank you. We're going to talk to Debbie [27:43] Dingle about this, too, because I'm sure she's got some takes on it. Amy Walter, Jim Messina, [27:47] thank you both so much for joining me. Coming up, we're going to have much more on that crucial debate [27:53] tonight and that crucial Michigan primary. And again, so much of the focus is on Maine right now and for good [27:58] reason. But this is going to be an absolute must win race. We just talked about this. I think most [28:04] people agree for Democrats in November. And Michigan Congresswoman Debbie Dingle is standing by. We're [28:09] going to talk about it. She joins me next.

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