Rapper Jose Bodega takes the stand as a hostile witness in Yella Beezy trial — FULL TESTIMONY

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Mr Thomas, can you please introduce yourself by first and last name to this jury? And Mr Thomas, I believe you've already spelled your name to the court before. I want to just kind of get this out of the way. You don't want to be here today, do you? Not even a little bit. You've been subpoenaed to be here, is that correct? Yes. And Mr Thomas, I know you know this, but just so that to make sure that the court report can take down everything that you say, I'm going to need yes or no answers because you can't see me when you nod your head or shake your head. [00:00:56] Mr Thomas: Mr Thomas, just generally, where are you from? I found a little bit everywhere. [00:01:01] Speaker 3: I was raised in a couple of different neighborhoods, I guess, I lived, I even went to a suburb and I used to stay in East Dallas. I found a little bit everywhere. And how old are you, Mr Thomas? [00:01:14] Mr Thomas: I'm 34. [00:01:14] Speaker 1: Mr Thomas, do you know some individuals in the courtroom today? Do you recognize anybody you know? Not anymore. So I'm going to start just so the record is clear. Behind me is your attorney, Mr James Leibright, is that correct? Correct. [00:01:45] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:01:47] Speaker 1: Now, when I asked you if you knew anybody in the courtroom, you said not no more. Do you know an individual that goes by the nickname of Yellow Beasy? Yeah. Do you recognize that individual in the courtroom today and know his real name to be Marquise Conway? Yeah. Can you identify him by what kind of, like, what is he wearing? What type of clothes is he wearing? Black check. All right. If I'm in seat number one, Mr. Bale is in seat two and so on, what seat number is he in? The third one. On their side over there? Yeah. Okay. Furthest one at that table, correct? May the record reflect that the witness has identified the defendant in open court? The record will reflect this fact. And, your honor, permission to approach him to be properly with this witness? You may. Thank you. Mr Thomas, I've shown you this photo before. In 1005A, is that the individual Marquise Conway? Yeah. [00:02:59] Mr Thomas: How long have you known Mr Conway? Probably about 10 years. Being with Hayden. Okay. Did y'all go to school together? Yeah. What school did you go to? Langston High School. [00:03:14] Speaker 1: How did y'all first meet? Classroom. Now, Mr. Conway, how did you go to? Conway, you've known since Lancaster. Do you know an individual by the name of Devin Brown? A little bit. Okay. Does he have a nickname? Yeah. In 1005A, we see Mr Conway. In 1003, is this Devin Brown individually you know, his nickname is Chicago? Yeah. How long have you known Mr. Brown? How long have you known Mr. Brown? Probably about eight years. Since growing up in Lancaster as well? Yeah. Do you know an individual by the name of Jerry Johnson or Jerry Maserato? Yeah. How do you know Jerry Johnson? We all grew up together. [00:04:16] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:04:21] Speaker 1: And when you say you grew up together, were y'all friends? We grew up together. [00:04:27] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:04:28] Speaker 1: Did y'all do anything in particular together when y'all grew up together? Did you hang out? I mean, explain that relationship for us. [00:04:39] Speaker 3: We just grew up together. [00:04:40] Speaker 1: All right. Mr. Thomas, I want to make this kind of easy as possible. Y'all eventually started singing together or rapping together, correct? Yeah. Who all did you grapple with when you grew up in Lancaster? Just me and Jerry. You and Jerry. All right. Have you maintained and continued a relationship and friendship with those individuals since your days in Lancaster? Right. Is that a yes? Yes. All right. Who were you closest to back in 2020 out of that group of individuals? Jerry. Was he like a cousin to you? That's me. You and I have talked before about GRC and this jury's already heard a lot about GRC and I just want them to hear from you about what GRC, how it was founded and what it was all about. Because they've heard a lot about it because they've heard a lot about it because they've heard a lot about it, they've seen some of the change. I just want them to hear from you what that was all about. All right. Can you just explain to them what GRC was? [00:06:05] Speaker 3: Like I told them, it wasn't what they tried to make it to be. Like they thought it was a gangster, it was a clique, it was a whole bunch of motherfuckers that went to high school together and half of them went even in the streets. So when they came trying to make it seem like it was just some murderous gang, I didn't be known that's what it was, half of them was just working men and got families. [00:06:27] Speaker 1: And that was just what y'all called y'all selves as a group of friends, right? In high school. In high school, back in the day. Yeah. The chains, the GRC chains. Right. Where did those come from? See, people working hard to get them. Okay. If y'all were going to purchase them, where would you go to purchase them at? Manhattan. Okay. Who was the person that actually got Manhattan to actually make those pieces to start with? [00:07:11] Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what religion did, I don't know what him particularly person did. [00:07:15] Speaker 4: Mr. Thomas, Mr. Thomas, I'm going to have to instruct you to watch your language. I'm sorry. You understand? I'm sorry. Okay. You know what I mean, right? Yes, ma'am. Okay, don't use those terms. Okay? My bad. All right. Thank you. [00:07:29] Mr Thomas: I'm sorry, Mr. Thomas. You told me to talk freely. Tell the truth. [00:07:36] Speaker 4: Yeah, talk freely, but just don't use that language. [00:07:40] Speaker 1: And Mr. Thomas, if there's something that calls for, like, to say specifically profanity to some extent, if there's a reason that that needs to come out, I will ask the judge if it's okay for you to answer it the exact way. Is that fair? All right. Thank you. So, Jerry was the individual who set up the GRC chains, correct? I can't personally say if he didn't want to set it up or not. Okay. Did you ever have to buy a GRC chain? Yeah. Okay. [00:08:24] Mr Thomas: What do you do for a career, Mr. Thomas? A little bit of everything. [00:08:35] Speaker 1: Are you still trying to pursue your music career? No. Now, back in 2020, you were rapping, correct? Career. And what was the name that you rapped under? Jose Lode. And that's J-O-S-E-V-O-D-E-G-A. And I'm just saying that just so the court can take that down, okay? Yes. And did you have a social media also under that name? Yes. Was that Jose Bodega, like 247 or something? Yes. And you had a number of songs. Who else in 2020 was actually involved in the music industry besides yourself? [00:09:23] Speaker 3: Which one? [00:09:24] Speaker 1: Like, as far as guys you grew up with, was Jerry still involved in the music scene? A little bit. What about Devin Brown? A little bit. Out of all the people you grew up with, who was the most successful? Jerry. [00:09:48] Mr Thomas: What about Mr. Conway? [00:09:51] Speaker 1: Yep. Him, too. And it's your testimony in front of this jury that Jerry Johnson is more successful than Marquise Conway? I said it. [00:10:02] Mr Thomas: You said it. In 2020, who was more successful? Oh, I can't say. What one of them was the most successful thing? I went in their partners, I think. [00:10:10] Speaker 5: All right. [00:10:24] Speaker 1: This jury has seen a lot of exhibits that have come out about your travel in 2020 with Mr. Conway. All right. Traveling to and from Los Angeles. Why are we all traveling to and from Los Angeles from DFW? Because he had music. Excuse me. He had music. Stuff to do. Mr. Conway. Yeah. And you'd agree with me that he was performing on national TV shows. He had a multi-platinum record fair. Multi-platinum song. Yeah. Very successful. Right. In fact, he'd made promises to you that he was going to sign you to his record company. Is that fair? Right. Did that ever end up happening? No. Is that a no? No. Okay. Thank you. Just for the corporate work. November of 2020. Let me backtrack a little bit just a little bit. Do you recall going to Houston for a concert on October 31st of 2020? No. I don't recall. [00:11:40] Mr Thomas: Do you want to have him on? [00:11:42] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:11:42] Speaker ?: I don't recall. [00:11:48] Speaker 1: Now, Mr. Thomas, you testified under a priority of this occasion. Do you remember that? Yeah. In front of a Dallas County grand jury. Do you remember testifying and I was asking you questions? Yeah, I remember answering questions, yeah. [00:12:10] Speaker 4: Okay. [00:12:11] Speaker 1: And that was on February 13th of 2025. And I showed you this yesterday, which is just a copy of your transcript. And I'm going to pull out certain pages as we go through this. And you need to have your memory refreshed or your recollection refreshed. That's what we're going to do, okay? All right. You know, you do not remember going down to Houston for a concert on October 30th, 31st of 2020 with Marquise Conway and Keylon White? No. [00:13:27] Speaker 6: Thank you. [00:13:57] Speaker 1: We'll come right back to that. Do you know an individual by the name of Kewan Wise? Yeah. [00:14:17] Mr Thomas: How do you know Kewan Wise? To a song I do it with. Okay. [00:14:27] Speaker 1: Do you know who he might have been? Who he might have been related to or had a relationship with? No. November 10th of 2020, do you recall going to California with Mr. Conway? Yeah. Who else went on that trip? Oh, shit. [00:15:35] Speaker 3: I think it was just me, him, and somebody else. I know a lot of what's going on. [00:15:43] Speaker ?: How long were y'all supposed to stay up there, do you recall? I never know how long y'all stayed. [00:15:48] Mr Thomas: Okay. [00:15:50] Speaker 1: It's our way of air. And how does that work? How did y'all, like, how did those trips come together to go out there? Hey, you ready to go to Calhoun? [00:16:00] Speaker 3: I did. [00:16:00] Speaker 1: So, it was you, Mr. Conway, and do you recall testimony that his uncle was with you? [00:16:21] Speaker ?: Yeah, yeah. [00:16:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we were talking about. See, I knew it was just one type of one other person. Okay. So, it was the three of y'all. And while you were out there, do you remember finding out that Melvin Noble, also known as Moe 3, the rapper, had been killed in Dallas? Right. You do remember that? Yeah. You and I talked previously about this in quite detail, but leading up to November 11th of 2020, were you aware of a feud or a beef between Mr. Conway and Moe 3, Melvin Noble, at the time of Melvin Noble's death? I don't know. I don't recall. [00:17:12] Speaker ?: I don't recall. I don't recall, Your Honor. Yes, Your Honor. I want you to start at the top of page 56, all right? Let me know if this refreshes your recollection. [00:17:58] Speaker 1: There's three pages in there, 56, 57, and 58. Let me know if that refreshes your recollection. [00:18:12] Mr Thomas: Yeah, I made the, you made what, saying, yeah, they had a problem with each other, because I really didn't know. [00:18:28] Speaker 1: Okay, you really didn't know, but on page 56, what did you testify to as it relates to the feud and beef between Melvin Noble and? [00:18:41] Mr Thomas: It was a lie, so I don't want to repeat it in court. [00:18:46] Speaker 1: So, Mr. Thomas, you've been provided use immunity, and this court has granted that use immunity. And so you have no Fifth Amendment right to not tell this jury as it relates to that testimony. You understand that. Your attorney's here. The court has told you that. She's granted my motion for use immunity as it relates to your testimony. [00:19:17] Speaker 4: That's correct, Mr. Boveda, or Mr. Thomas. Go ahead and answer the questions. [00:19:24] Speaker 1: So, what did you tell myself and the other individuals in that grand jury as it related to the feud? What did you tell us? [00:19:34] Speaker 3: I just said I made it up. Yeah, but what did you tell us? I said, yeah, they have to be. [00:19:39] Speaker 6: Okay. Judge, at this time, I would request an instruction to the jury regarding each month. [00:19:46] Speaker 4: The court will do so. Ladies and gentlemen, you're hearing testimony from Mr. Thomas here. He made statements on an earlier occasion that might be inconsistent with his present testimony here in court. You may consider those earlier statements, but only for the purpose of deciding whether to believe his testimony in this trial and how much weight to give it, okay? You may not consider those earlier statements as evidence that the facts stated in them are true or as evidence of Mr. Conway's guilt. Does everybody understand? Yes. [00:20:25] Speaker 1: And just so you can see, Mr. Thomas, I've marked page 56 through 58, 6 September 1201. Do you see that? No. And on that date, on February 13th of 2025, I said, Melvin Noble, Yellow Beasy, and Trap Boy Freddy, did they have problems with each other or who had problems with each other? And you said, yes, sir, they did. Question, who had problems with each other? Answered by you, Yellow Beasy, Trap Boy Freddy, and Mothory. That was your testimony in grand jury, correct? All right. Is that a yes? Yes. So you're not denying that you said that, you're just saying that that was a lie? Right. I then asked you, so who are the two individuals or how were they aligned? Was it Yellow Beasy and somebody versus somebody else? Who were aligned together? Answered, Yellow Beasy and Trap Boy Freddy. Do you recall testimony to that? [00:21:31] Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question to do it? No. [00:21:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. Should I have your honor permission to treat this witness as hostile at this time? [00:21:43] Speaker 4: You may. [00:21:44] Speaker 1: Thank you. [00:21:45] Speaker 6: And I just want to make it clear that your instruction, you gave your surprise to that answer. [00:21:50] Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely. My instructions pertain to this witness's testimony here today as well as his prior testimony. Does everybody understand? Yes. [00:22:02] Speaker 7: Yes. Yes. Can we just, just to clarify, when we speak about the grand jury transcript only, but the other testimony that you can consider? [00:22:13] Speaker 4: Well, they can ascribe any amount of weight that they wish to his testimony today, but his grand jury testimony is not to be taken as evidence of Mr. Connell's here. [00:22:25] Speaker 1: Mr. Thomas, we then talked about, um, Roy Lee, being a self-desivist, call us, uh, the questions and answers about that. Yeah. And, um, he ended up being, uh, jumped by a group of individuals, correct? [00:23:04] Speaker 6: Judge, uh, we'll, uh, object to that last question answered, but, um, on our previous, uh, objection made outside the, uh, uh, uh, uh, presence of the jury at an earlier end. [00:23:23] Speaker 4: What's the state's response? [00:23:28] Speaker 7: The motion will then allow us to go into that incident. That's my, that's my recollection. I'll just re-interview my objection on that and preserve it. Thank you. [00:23:38] Speaker 4: That's denied. [00:23:42] Speaker 1: To your call in, in that grand jury, um, I asked you about who did he claim jumped in what group of people. Do you remember me asking you about that? No. [00:23:55] Speaker 5: Again, this is on page 57 of, uh, quote, one. Are you saying you didn't say that? I'm saying, oh, I'm never saying it. [00:24:23] Speaker 1: That doesn't refresh your recollection? No. It does not? I would have never said it. You would have never said this? No. Okay. And just, uh, while I'm going through this real quick, and the re- or the court, this page 57, it says, and so back in August, 2017, he was, I'm going to say, I'm going to use the term jumped, if you will, but was he at a club or a place, and were you there as well? And you answered, yes, sir. I asked you, and we don't need- [00:25:10] Speaker 6: Judge, judge. We'll object to him just reading through the transcript. The proper impeachment is to ask him if he made this particular statement on that date, the date and the exact statement, rather than reading down that question. [00:25:23] Speaker 1: The honor, this time we'll over state's 1202, um, for all purposes, um, for impeachment. He said he would have never made this statement. [00:25:32] Speaker 5: Statement of what? 1202. [00:25:37] Speaker 4: Describe 1202. [00:25:39] Speaker 1: Uh, it is page 57 and 58, uh, uh, uh, the transcript describing, uh, those events that he said he would never, um, testify to. [00:25:50] Speaker 6: Judge will object to that, but he's just, uh, wanted to enter, enter copies of, uh, of a transcript that was a witness in the green jury, uh, that, uh, uh, heard all the testimony. But, uh, it's a proper, uh, court impeachment just to enter a document. Would you say that there was a witness who heard the testimony? Yeah. There's a available witness as a, uh, judge, rather than just trying to offer, uh, a transcript in itself. [00:26:25] Speaker 4: Objections on the rule. This is if it 1202 is admitted. Permission to publish, Your Honor. Yes, Your Honor. [00:26:33] Mr Thomas: All right, Mr. Thomas. [00:26:42] Speaker 1: I asked you, who did he claim he was jumped by referring to Royalee? What group of people? And your answer was PMG. Question. Okay. And people associated with the LVZ? Correct. Yes, sir. And in fact, you were involved in what transpired that night. Correct? Yes, sir. And that kind of kicked off the back and forth online. Is that fair? No. What kicked off the back and, kicked off the online, Yella, his dad is from a place called Morrell. So naturally, Yella BZ would claim, you know, where his father was from. And Royalee tried to say that Yella BZ wasn't from Morrell. And that's what transpired the online view with them. [00:27:23] Mr Thomas: And you're saying you never testified to this? No. I said, I never testified to a question that you asked me. [00:27:36] Speaker 1: And so back in 2017, Royalee gets assaulted and a feud, there's a feud going on online between Royalee and Marquise Conway, correct? [00:27:49] Mr Thomas: I can't say that. [00:27:50] Speaker 3: I told you about the incident that happened that night between them two. I didn't go deep enough about what happened online because I didn't know what was going [00:27:58] Speaker ?: on online. [00:28:06] Speaker 1: Do you recall what Royalee and Mr. Conway were going back and forth online about where he was from, which was just shown to this jury? [00:28:17] Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, I said, no matter what happened that night, I don't know. I didn't know nothing about the other stuff. I didn't make it up. [00:28:25] Speaker 1: So moving into 2020, there was a feud, correct? Between Yellow Beesie, Trout Boy, Freddie and Melvin Noble. I mean, I guess so. Do you agree? I can't say I agree. Have you ever been to 3915 and 3030 Britain? 3915. Ramona? 3915 Ramona Avenue? I was, Jeremy. [00:29:12] Mr Thomas: Have you ever been to 3030 Britain? No, I'm not at our town. [00:29:26] Speaker 1: Who primarily lived at 3915? Didn't know that either. [00:29:30] Mr Thomas: What took place out of 3915? All the time. It was a trap house, right? I can't say. What am I on? What am I on? [00:29:55] Speaker 1: November 10th of 2020, you're in California with Mr. Conway, correct? Yeah. And his uncle. Did you receive a call from somebody that night? It was my time. Okay. At some point on the tent, did you receive a call from somebody involved in this case? Yeah. Who called you? Key on what? Key on what? And that's really bothered you from that point until now, right? That he called you. Yeah. [00:30:54] Mr Thomas: Explain to this jury why that bothers you, that he called you that night. Because he never called my phone, and he just called me out of the blue, and asked me the dumbest question in the world. [00:31:05] Speaker 1: And so, I'll get that question here in just a second. And you've not talked about this. He called you on Instagram, right? Yeah. Who was Key on closest to out of everybody? I can't say. But you and him were not close, right? Right. So, the fact that he called you the night before Melvin Noble gets shot and killed by him, that's bothered you? I didn't know that prior to that. Prior to that, you didn't know. But looking back on it, it's bothered you. It's just the way you worded it. I didn't know that prior to that. Okay, sorry. Let me take that back. You were concerned when you got back and you found out that Key on had done the shooting, correct? I never found out he had got the shooting when I got back. [00:31:56] Mr Thomas: When you got back, you found out about it? I didn't find out about it when I got back. All right, we'll come to that in a second. Why has it bothered you that he called you that night? Because he never called me. [00:32:07] Speaker 3: And then all the speculated moments, so then I got worried. But I never found out physically that he did any time. [00:32:17] Speaker 1: You didn't know that Melvin Noble was going to be killed out there by a key one wife, right? [00:32:29] Mr Thomas: I told you that a thousand times. I just wanted to be clear on the record for you. But you asked me if I hadn't told you that before. [00:32:37] Speaker 1: I know, but this jury hasn't heard you talk about it until today, man. So I just need you to be honest about it and be truthful. They need to hear from you, not me. All right. [00:32:47] Speaker 5: I'm going to show you what's been marked as states 1203. We're talking about how long you've got to stay in LA. [00:33:13] Speaker ?: All right. Let's just testify to that. I made it up. [00:33:17] Speaker 5: You made that up. You would have never testified to that in 1203. And that's page 105. [00:33:25] Speaker 1: The state would offer states exhibit 1203 for all purposes. [00:33:30] Speaker 5: What is 1203? [00:33:31] Speaker 1: 1203 is page 105 and 106. Talking about him finding out that key one had actually committed the murder and when and from who we found out about it. [00:33:44] Speaker 6: Judge, I love Jake. 1203 is a grand jury transcript. It's in this law. Here's a, and he's, this is not even proper impeachment. He wants to introduce an entire, two pages of transcript, whereas you can't impeach a witness by asking of specific facts, but you're not allowed to introduce a transcript from a grand jury that just is a whole conversation, judge. It's hearsay. It's an admissible hearsay. And it's not proper impeachment. [00:34:21] Speaker 4: I mean, both the states, please. [00:34:22] Speaker 7: Yep. Your Honor, Edner. As, as counsel has told this court, it's not substantive evidence. It's not coming in for the truth of the matter of surrogate. It's merely to impeach his power testimony. [00:34:31] Speaker 1: And also, Your Honor, I think it's been made very clear in front of the court based off of hearing those outside the presence of the church that he's going to deny everything in this. So, I can read every single question and then go through each one and, or I can just pick each, select you and try to move this thing along. [00:34:50] Speaker 6: Judge, one more objection. Mr. Thomas didn't say he didn't say it. He said, I made that up. He didn't deny saying this. He said, I made that up. So, I would reject the introduction of this evidence because he didn't deny making it. He just said he wasn't truthful. [00:35:09] Speaker 4: Thank you. The objection's overruled. This is that if 12 votes, 3 is admitted. [00:35:18] Speaker 6: And, Judge, I'd re-urge the court to march the jury on the impeachment. [00:35:23] Speaker 4: Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, the grand jury testimony given by Mr. Thomas is not to be taken as evidence of Mr. Thomas. It's just a commonwealth's guilt. It's just for impeachment purposes. Impeach is part of the... Does everybody understand? Yes. [00:35:41] Speaker 1: And, may I proceed, Your Honor? Yes, Your Honor. And on 1205, I asked you, did he ever, did you ever see him in person, meaning Keelan White, after the murder? You said, yes, sir. Question, did he ever talk to you in person, or were there ever conversations with him and you, or with other people around, about committing the murder? Answer, no. I found out about committing the murder from Jerry Johnson. You made that up? Yeah. Question, okay, and how do you know, or how did you find out from Jerry? When did you find out? When I got back, answer, because when I got back, because I was telling him that he was blowing me up. Question, you told Jerry that Keelan was blowing you up? Answer, yeah, calling me on Instagram while I was out of town. And what did Jerry say in response to you? Answer, he was like, man, I don't know why he did that dumb ass ass. And that's when he told me, you know he did that woody-woop to buddy, end quote. And that's exactly how he said it. And I was like, damn, man, you just put me in some ass. Question, because he was calling you during that time frame? Answer, right. Question, did Jerry, at that point in time, when y'all had this conversation, did he mention anything else about the killing? No, not at that time. No. He was just like, I hope it don't put you in no ass, because I don't know why he was calling you from Instagram. And I asked you, do you know where Jerry was at the time during the murder? And you seconded that. Mr. Thomas, would you agree with me that that phone call has unfortunately put you exactly where you didn't want to be in the middle of all this? Correct. That's correct? Correct. State 755, do you recognize these two individuals in State 755? Yeah. Who's the person with the blue underwear on? Key one. And who's the individual with the black tracksuit on? [00:38:23] Speaker 3: I can't tell who that is. He made a wish. [00:38:44] Speaker 1: Who is that? That's you. That's Jerry. And you told me before that he was like the cousin to you, right? Right. And that's at the 3915 Ramona House? Right. Now, again, that was on November 10th. You were in California with the court of defendant, Marquise Conway. Showing another photo. State's exhibit three, sorry, excuse me, 760. Recognize that individual? Signed a person from the desk, please. Keep on line. Right. And Mr. Thomas, I know these are silly questions to you, but these are important questions that this jury needs to know about, okay? Okay. 764, we see a better picture of his face. Did you call me asking you about what type of car key one was driving during that time frame? I don't know. Do you think it would help refresh your recollection if I showed you? You're a test one? If he was driving a black Camaro that we see in 767, would that surprise you, or do you think that's consistent with what you previously testified to? Yeah, that's a problem because I think it's charged. 770, that's Q1 White again, correct? Right. And the date on that is 11-11-2020 at 14-08-33 and 7, the state's exhibit at 770. The state's exhibit at 775, and that's Jerry, correct? Wow. State's exhibit at 770, we see those two individuals that are out in the back, hooked by the grill. State's 780, we see them with something on fire. [00:41:04] Mr Thomas: Do you recognize Susan State's exhibit, 781? No, I can't see everybody, please. [00:41:27] Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back to the grill in just a second. State's exhibit at 1204. [00:41:36] Speaker 5: I'm talking about 1204, okay? Is that a refresher, a recollection? Is that that that's what you previously testified there? No, right. [00:41:53] Speaker 1: Okay. And so, previously, I asked you, what kind of car was Kiwon getting into while showing you these photos? Do you remember that? Right. And you said it was a black Camaro. And then I said, is that what he typically drove? And your answer was what? On the paper. [00:42:12] Mr Thomas: Correct, on the paper. Yeah. Are you saying you did not testify to this? [00:42:17] Speaker 3: I'm saying I told you I lied already, so asking me questions on the paper, it's like you're making me re-lie when they're all going to tell you that I lied to the first place. [00:42:27] Speaker 6: State would offer states exhibit 1204, for all purposes. Judge will object under hearsay under 801, it's a grand jury transcript, it's not admissible hearsay. The witness said he didn't deny saying it, he said that he lied, so he's not denying the statement. So, this document should not be introduced to impeachment. He's admitted to making the statement and just says it wasn't true. [00:42:55] Speaker 4: Thank you. [00:42:56] Speaker 1: State? That's the whole point of impeachment, is to give him an opportunity to say whether he did or didn't say that. This is to show to actually impeach him for what he testified to. [00:43:08] Speaker 4: Well, he's saying he did say it, but he's saying that it was a lie. [00:43:13] Speaker 1: When I asked him on direct what kind of card, he said no, a charter. That is not what he says in this. [00:43:20] Speaker 6: But once his memory was refreshed, he admitted it and said it. [00:43:24] Speaker 4: All right. Okay. I'll withdraw 1204. All right. That subject must sustain. Thank you. [00:43:49] Speaker 1: So, is it your testimony right now that you do not recognize that individual that I just showed you walking in with the blue GRC shirt? Yeah, I couldn't see it on my image. [00:44:19] Speaker 7: Thank you. [00:44:49] Speaker 1: Thank you. You're testifying in grand jury. I showed you a bunch of photos. You remember that? All right. 6-6-2-1-12-5. I'm asking you about 6-6-3-3 at 6 p.m. on the 11th. We see an individual walking in with some Jordans, some white and blue Jordans, what looks like to be a promethazine cough syrup, or beer, and a blue GRC sweatshirt in a chain. Who is this individual, who is this individual, what's been marked with state's exhibit 33, and your answer in state's exhibit 1205. Does that refresh your recollection? Yeah. Who is this individual, who is this individual, who is this individual, who is in state's exhibit 781? Chi-town. Chi-town? Yeah. That's Devin Brown, correct? Right. And that's what you testified in grand jury as to? Right. 6-12-0-6, just an Instagram of him? Yeah. Do you know who Chicago was dating during that time? No. [00:46:44] Speaker ?: Do you know who she was dating in November of 2020? No. [00:46:48] Speaker 4: Do you remember testifying about- [00:46:49] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:46:49] Speaker 4: Do you know who she was dating in November of 2020? No. [00:46:53] Speaker 1: Do you remember testifying about- Yes. [00:46:57] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:46:58] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. And do you know who she was dating in November of 2020? No. Do you remember testifying about- Yes. Okay. And do you know who she was dating in November of 2020? No. Do you remember testifying about- Devin and Hur's relationship and Mothory? Yeah. Okay. Okay. You do know that during that time, Melvin Noble and Mothory was dating Jocelyn Jackson, the mother of Devin Brown's kids, correct? Yeah, I heard it. I didn't know, but I heard it. I didn't know, but I heard it. Okay. [00:47:29] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:47:30] Speaker 5: How did you find out that Melvin Noble had been killed? [00:47:43] Speaker 1: Social media. When you were in California? Yeah. So, were you with Mr. Conway at the moment that you found out? [00:48:05] Speaker 3: No. [00:48:06] Speaker 1: Do you remember during your previous testimony, we talked about his reaction when you went down to see him? Right. Yeah. How was he acting when you went down to see him after finding out Melvin Noble had died? Right. [00:48:24] Speaker 3: Shit. Like he, I'm always there. He wouldn't be doing anything different from any other day. He was acting the other day. [00:48:58] Speaker 1: Thank you. Who would, that when I asked you, who would specifically want to promote three dead, what specific individuals, do you recall your answer being Yellow Bees and Trap Boy Friday? Yeah, I don't know, but I lied. [00:49:44] Mr Thomas: That was a lie? Yeah. And you were under oath, correct? Yeah, but I didn't know how serious I was under oath at the time. You didn't what? I didn't know what it was at the time. [00:49:58] Speaker 1: And just so we're clear, Mr. Thomas, you and I have met on multiple occasions. Fair? Yeah, I've met twice. And I think we've met a couple more times than that, but since your grand jury, we've talked at least twice. Is that fair? Yeah. And you eventually recanted about a conversation that you heard. And that was actually the Sunday before Kewan White's trial, correct? Correct. [00:50:32] Speaker 3: Well, actually, it wasn't the Sunday before. Remember, if you go back to our couch and told you I felt a way about someone and I wanted to come talk to you, then when you brought me in, there was a room for a single in there. [00:50:45] Speaker 1: And Mr. Thomas, you're currently charged with cases, correct? And you have an attorney that's here, correct? Correct. And every time you and I have talked, I've had to make sure that he was present. You understand that, correct? Correct. Because you have certain rights that I do not want to violate. You understand that, right? Correct. In fact, I have told you so much when you wanted to talk privately that I cannot talk to you without your attorney. You understand that, right? Right. Because I wanted to protect you and your rights. Right. The first time I ever asked you any questions about anything and you and I ever talked, there was no deals in place, no offers by me, correct? Correct. And on February 13, 2025, when you testified in front of a Dallas County grand jury and I asked you, which specific individuals wanted Melvin Noble, Moe 3, Dej, your answer was Yellip Easy and Trap Boy Freddy, correct? Correct. But do you want this jury to believe that was a lie? Yeah, because. Hold on. That's a yes. On August 26 or 25th, it was a Sunday afternoon, you reached out to your attorney, Mr. Bright, and said you wanted to recant about a statement, correct? Correct. And the two weeks prior to that, we met two other times on our 10th floor here in this building. You remember that? Prior to that, we met two other times. Thank you, yes. Thank you. Prior to that, you and I met other times on the 11th floor. After your grand jury testimony in the past year and a half, you've never once recanted or said, I lied about anything. Correct? Correct. But on the Sunday before jury selection, from Kiwan White, that's when you decided, you know what? I lied. Right? Right. But truth be told, when you testified in front of that grand jury, when I asked you about Jerry, do you remember what you did? Yeah. What'd you do? I cried. Yeah, you cried. Because I was lying. Okay. Because you were lying. Right. And let's be fair, the feds dismissed your case, right? Right. You got put in the steps program, a re-entry program by the federal government for your doping gun charge, right? Right. And you got back on the right track, you got a job. [00:53:23] Speaker 3: And that's why I mean that I lied. [00:53:27] Speaker 1: And even after that federal case got dismissed, you still didn't recant it. It wasn't until the night before the first trial that you decided to say, I lied. [00:53:35] Speaker 3: Well, I didn't know it was good to be a lawyer like you decided to know how to do it. Is that a yes or no? [00:53:39] Speaker 1: The first time you came forward and said, I lied was the day before he wants trial. Yes or no? Judge, we'll object and let the witness answer the question. [00:53:46] Speaker 4: It's a statement. [00:54:07] Speaker 1: Mr. Thomas, a lot of people have done you wrong in the last year and a half, fair? Fair. And fair to say that because of this, everything that's gone on since 2020 to now, you have a lot of hard feelings towards a lot of people. [00:54:27] Mr Thomas: Is that fair? No, I ain't got no more questions. There's nobody. Okay. [00:54:35] Speaker 1: Do you remember when we talked on the phone one day? And you told me the only person I trust is Detective Eric Barnes? Mm-hmm. Is that true? Yes, sir. Yes. In October 2020, do you remember flying to Miami for Marquise Conway's birthday? When was that? I believe y'all flew out October 22nd or 23rd. Do you remember that? And y'all flew to Miami on that private jet? Yeah. Jerry was with y'all? Yeah. Yeah. Now, Mr. Thomas, do you recall during your grand jury testimony, I asked you about, we've already seen the one portion about Kiwan and whether you found out that he committed the murder. We've already gone over that portion. You remember that? Yeah. All right. All right. And we talked about that first conversation. But then I asked you about, were there any other discussions about a murder? And you talked about Conway pulling up to the barbershop. Do you remember that? [00:56:10] Mr Thomas: Say yes. I already told you I lied to you about that. That was my murder case in front of the gentleman. Okay. Mr. Thomas, we just got to go through this, ma'am. I'm trying to get through this. You might be relieved a lot when I ain't trying to be like that. So, what we're going to do, we're going to go through this. [00:56:27] Speaker 1: All right. You said Conway, you said he had pulled up to the barbershop meeting Conway. You remember that? Yeah. And that was Jerry's barbershop, right? Yeah. But this was a lie. [00:56:41] Mr Thomas: That wasn't a lie. You can tell him it was Jerry's barbershop. Okay. This was right after the California trip in November. I remember I told you, I don't know exactly when. I told you a lot about what I heard in the car. He could pull up any day. [00:57:00] Speaker 1: And this is after the California trip? All right. Yes, sir. Great? All right. Keep reading. What does it sound like about him? You're reading. Read it. Do you know what day? I don't remember what day exactly. No, sir. So, Yellow Bees, he pulls up to the barbershop at Jerry's. Who's at Jerry's with you? Justwell. There was a lot of people there. But when you pull up to the barbershop, sometimes he wouldn't go in, meaning Conway. Sometimes they'll just sit in the parking lot and be honest about me. You're talking about Conway. Is it all a lot? Yes, definitely a lot. [00:57:33] Speaker 3: Oh, okay. I told you when I sent you calls a lot. Okay. [00:57:35] Speaker 5: You mean? [00:57:36] Speaker 3: Yes, you did. [00:57:40] Speaker 5: I'm going to ask you about what type of vehicle? [00:57:46] Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Mr. Thomas, I can't just sit here and read through this whole thing, but I'm happy to. Question. So, Yellow Bees, he pulls up at the barbershop at Jerry's. Who's at Jerry's with you? And we talk about how he can't just come in and walk right in. Yellow can walk in. No problem, right? Nobody bothers him at the barbershop, right? That's what we're talking about. I'm trying to scan it so I'm not reading all of it. He knew most of the people at the barbershop, people weren't going to bother him at the barbershop, like a bunch of people, fans and stuff like that, right? No. Okay. He felt comfortable around there? [00:58:35] Speaker 6: Judge, I will object to just going into irrelevant matters about how he already felt comfortable at the barbershop. If he wants to ask a specific question or statement Mr. Thomas made regarding the elements of this case, that's what we're asking him to do. [00:58:54] Speaker 4: It's the same. [00:58:57] Speaker 1: You recall me asking you about what type of vehicle he was driving that day? Yeah. What type of vehicle was he driving? The black Denali? Yeah. The bulletproof one? Yeah. So that wasn't a lot? I mean, I was using a lot of it. And I asked you about what the conversation was in the car. And I said, you get in the car, what's the conversation about initially? Do you recall making the statement, well, Johnson was telling Yellow Beasy that he needed money because he paid Key One money, the Key One White, the money for him. So he needed his money back because he don't got it like that. Do you recall testifying to that? [00:59:41] Mr Thomas: I didn't actually say it like that. That's why I also told you I lied to. [00:59:46] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:59:47] Mr Thomas: I don't mean I lied about it. So you did not say this? [00:59:49] Speaker 1: I said it, but I lied. Okay. So you said Johnson was telling Yellow Beasy that he needed the money because he paid Key One money for him. So he had the money back. Hold on, Mr. Thomas. So he needed the money back because he don't got it like that. And I asked you, when you say he don't got it like that, meaning Jerry doesn't have the money to front for the murder? And you answered, yeah. That is what you testified to you, but you're saying that is a lie, correct? Okay. [01:00:17] Speaker 6: Judge, we'll ask that you give the jury the instruction again on impeachment. [01:00:23] Speaker 4: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is Brian's jury testimony. You can give whatever weight you like to it, but don't take it as evidence of Mr. Conway's gift. [01:00:35] Speaker 1: I asked you about, is this the first time you've heard Jerry talk about his involvement or anybody else's involvement in this murder for hire? Right? Other than the conversation about Key One. And you said, and I asked you, you're hoping you didn't get involved or tied up in this, right? And you said, right. Again, because that phone call that night from Key One, who never calls you, that's really, that had you bothered. Yes? Just yes or no? Yes. Okay. Is this the first time you've heard Jerry talk about Key One getting paid for it? And you say, yes, sir. Right? Is that what you testified to? Do you remember all this? I remember saying it. Okay. So you remember all this. I'm going to ask you about this. I'm going to ask you, did you say, and you can let this jury happen. You can tell me what you said, and we can move this along. Is that all right? And you can, the jury understands. I asked you, so when they're talking about it, did Jerry say how much Key One was paid? You remember that? No. And what did you say? I said, in the court, he didn't say how much he gave him. But did you later find out how much he gave him? No. Page 116. And I asked you, when you all talked about the money, how much money was Key One paid to do this? And your answer was, supposedly $40,000. That was your answer. Right. Then I asked, where did that $40,000 come from? And you said, Yellabeezy and Trap Boy Freddie. Do you recall that? That was a lot. But is that what you said? I need a yes or no. [01:03:02] Speaker 6: Yeah. Judge will again request the court's instruction to jury on impeachment. [01:03:08] Speaker 4: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the grand jury testimony given by Mr. Thomas should not be used as evidence of Mr. Conway's guilt. But it's sole purpose for now is to impeach Mr. Thomas' credibility. And you can get whatever way you wish to him. [01:03:34] Speaker 1: And during that conversation, or during that testimony in grand jury, we discussed about the back and forth that took place in the car. Do you recall that? Yeah. Now, you and I, you understand at that time, you were still under federal indictment at that time? Is that correct? Correct. And when did you graduate from the STEPS program? Oh, what was that? [01:04:02] Speaker 3: April. April this year? No, August. It was August of this year. June, it was June, because it was two months after I had been married and then, yeah, it was June. [01:04:23] Speaker 1: Okay. And so, when you graduate, your federal case gets dismissed, correct? Correct. Thank you. To our grand jury, you and I talked about Kewan White and his financial status. Do you remember his finances and what kind of money he had back then? Do you remember that? And specifically, we were talking about how Jerry had paid some money up front and that Jerry was trying to get the rest of the money from Yellow Bees. Do you remember that? Yeah. You do remember that? Okay. So we're talking about that, that Jerry furnace some of the money, we're trying to get the rest of the money from Conway, about this $40,000 from Trapped in Yellow, right? Because Jerry needed the rest of the money to pay Kewan, right? Is that a yes? Yeah. And I asked you about Kewan and his spending. Do you recall when I asked you about his spending habits and I asked you whether his spending habits changed after that and you said yeah? Right. I asked you how did they change after he'd been fronting some of the money from Jerry? And you talked about he was buying things like Jordans, right? Right. Outfits, going out to the club, those kind of things. Right. You talked about how all of a sudden he came into some money that he normally didn't have, right? Right. Didn't have his own car, didn't have a house, kind of bouncing from Trapped in Trapped. [01:07:03] Speaker 6: Judge, we have a specific statement that the witness says rather than just reading from a document, please put a check in the box. It's the same. [01:07:14] Speaker 1: Okay, on page 130, when I asked you whether or not he had his own car, did he have his own car? Not a little. Okay. Did he have his own house? Not that I knew it. Okay. And on page 130, I want to ask you about all of a sudden he had some money and some chains. Do you remember that? Right. Because there were times prior to this, including music videos with you, where Ke'ewan White was wearing chains and flashing money, right? Right. [01:07:44] Mr Thomas: But those weren't his chains or his money, right? And then in particular video, there wasn't his chain. Whose chain was it? It was my chain. But at some point later, did he get a GRC chain? I can't say. [01:07:56] Speaker 1: I can't say. And you told Ke'ewan, after y'all got back from California, you'd agree with that. You told him that the heat was too much in the city and he needed to get out of town, right? Right. That wasn't a lot, right? [01:08:17] Mr Thomas: Because I could see what everybody else was saying. What did you see? It was a lot of shit going on. Circulating around. [01:08:25] Speaker 3: Like what? Different shit. Like I told him before. I ain't no telling what he would've been going on. [01:08:35] Speaker 1: Was it the way he was acting after the murder that you were worried that it might bring some heat on y'all? Nah, the way he was acting furious. [01:08:43] Speaker 3: Because I didn't know what he would've been told. [01:08:57] Speaker 1: And so you testified a grand jury. I told him that you should leave the city because he was basically doing a lot of dumb stuff. [01:09:04] Speaker 6: Again, Judge, we'll object to him reading from the document. He needs to ask him a question of what his statement was. [01:09:11] Speaker 1: Did you tell him that because you knew what he had already done and that it was hot in the city that he needed to leave town? Did you tell him that? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Did you tell him that when he was bringing too much heat the way he was spending stupid and he was putting heat on your cousin, Jerry, that he needed to leave? Yes. Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? [01:09:36] Speaker ?: Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he was doing that? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? [01:10:49] Mr Thomas: Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? [01:10:51] Speaker 1: Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? [01:10:52] Speaker 4: Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? [01:10:53] Speaker ?: Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he didn't know what he was doing? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? 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Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:00] Speaker 1: Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:25] Speaker ?: Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:27] Speaker 1: Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:32] Speaker ?: Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:32] Speaker 1: Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:38] Speaker ?: Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:39] Speaker 1: Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:47] Speaker ?: Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? [01:12:49] Speaker 1: Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? Did you tell him that he was doing it? And that was early August. And when you came in on that Monday morning, you spoke to Detective Barnes, correct? Correct. And you gave an interview where you recanted overhearing the conversation about the $40,000 and Jerry having furnished some of that $40,000 to Kiwan on behalf of Marquise Conway, the defendant in this case, and DeVarious Moore, aka Trap Boy Furnished. That was the first time, and it was about five minutes of video. Is that fair? [01:13:42] Mr Thomas: Yeah, because I forgot about the actual grand jury testimony stuff. [01:13:47] Speaker 3: So I didn't know what I did for BSA and that meeting. So that's why I had just to get it out there that I made up to see the stuff that I was seeing. [01:14:01] Mr Thomas: And like I said, I made sure that- I'm going to object as a non-responsive, Your Honor. [01:14:08] Speaker 4: Oh, right. [01:14:11] Speaker 3: But yeah, like I told them, I didn't want to lie, you know. I had already felt like I did too much line from the jump. And I didn't, like I said, I came, I did come to them two weeks before. But they were basically like, hey, I know you're scared, you know what I mean? But I did come to them before that. I didn't wait until the day of. I just actually said, I couldn't, I had to get it out to my lawyer to get to them as fast as I could because I got tired of it. Because I didn't want to do it. I don't want to do it. Your Honor has been our responses. Thank you. [01:14:48] Speaker 1: And narrative. Mr. Thomas. 792, this is from the Ramona Trap House as previously been admitted on November 22, 2020, time standard 22, 29, 18. We see you in Keywon White. Right. And that's at Jerry's Trap House on Ramona. Right. And that's the night that Keywon leaves town and goes to Mount Pleasant. [01:15:28] Speaker 3: I don't know exactly if that was the night or not. But that's me right there because you see me in the picture. But I don't know when that night it was. [01:15:47] Speaker 1: Mr. Thomas, would you agree with me that it's looked down upon to come in and testify against somebody you grew up with? No. It's not? Yeah. [01:15:58] Speaker 3: I agree with you that it's looked down upon a lot. And you told me all you wanted me to do was tell the truth. So that's what I'm doing. [01:16:20] Speaker 1: Mr. Thomas, in the time that you've been out of federal custody and on bond, both while in the STEPS program and while out of the STEPS program, you did not recant until August, but you also didn't do anything else. And that was give interviews. Right. Correct? You never gave a single interview up until about 10 days ago. I need to pay my rent. And all of a sudden now you've done multiple interviews talking about this case and denying that you testified a grand jury. Right. And so you lied in those interviews too. Right. Lying that you didn't say that Marquise Conway paid for Kiwan White to kill Melvin Noble. Right. And you lied, not only about that, but you lied that Jerry fronted some of the money. Right. And you lied about the specific amount of $40,000. Right? Is that right? Right. [01:17:27] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:17:29] Speaker 1: And what you, and as you've said here today, you're just here to tell the truth. Okay. [01:17:35] Speaker ?: Thank you. [01:17:35] Speaker 1: Thank you. [01:17:36] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The transfer marks is 1210. [01:18:35] Speaker 5: Do you recognize 1210? Yeah. [01:18:37] Speaker 1: Is that the trip that y'all went to Florida for Conway's birthday in October 2020? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1211. You remember that day, don't you? Yeah. I cut, there's a kid in this way, I cut the kid out. Yeah. Yeah. [01:18:57] Speaker 5: Be respectful. 1211, do you recognize that? Yeah. 1212, do you recognize those? Yeah. All right. [01:19:04] Speaker ?: States can occur. [01:19:05] Speaker 5: States exiled at 1210, 1211, 12 Robbers. Yes, Brian. 1210 is a photo from the October trip to Miami. 1211 is a photo from the October trip to Miami. [01:19:19] Speaker 1: 1211 is a photo of Conway, Jerry, and Theodore. [01:19:27] Speaker 5: 1212 is their yearboat photos from Lancaster. [01:19:31] Speaker 6: No gesture. [01:19:32] Speaker 4: It says it is 1210, 1211, and 1212 are admitted to all purposes. [01:19:41] Speaker 1: 1210. This was y'all's trip to Miami in October of 2020, right? Correct. 1211. What do we see here in 1211? What picture? [01:20:02] Mr Thomas: What's it from? My baby shower. Baby shower, right? Yeah. [01:20:08] Speaker 1: 1210s. Y'all for Conway's birthday, 1211s. There you shower for your little girl. Say yes. Yeah. 1212, y'all, and growing up, right? Right. Lifelong friends. I know you tried to flip down plays, Mr. Thomas, when I asked you about your relationship with them growing up, and you said we grew up together. How many of your friends that you grew up with taking on private jets? [01:20:54] Mr Thomas: I got to do. I was a friend with a year or two when I was a private jet, so they didn't have nothing. [01:21:09] Speaker ?: Do you want me to do? Do you want me to have a moment? Yes. Do you want me to have a moment? Yes. Do you want me to have a moment? [01:21:13] Mr Thomas: Yes. Do you want me to have a moment? [01:21:15] Speaker 4: Yes. [01:21:16] Speaker ?: Do you want me to have a moment? Yes. Do you want me to have a moment? Yes. Do you want me to have a moment? [01:21:21] Speaker 1: Mr. Thomas, do you remember testifying the grand jury about Rainwater being assaulted? By yourself and Mr. Conway? Yes. Is that a lie? [01:21:55] Speaker ?: No. [01:22:12] Speaker 1: Did you know Rainwater personally? No. I'm going to show you a disc marked as 12-13 that you've initialed on August 12th of 26th, about two weeks prior to Keywon White's trial. Do you remember initialing this disc? One of all those people? No, I don't know. I did though because of my initial one. [01:22:39] Speaker ?: I don't remember. Do you remember when we watched this? [01:22:41] Mr Thomas: When you watched the video of the assault? Yes. Okay. Okay. [01:22:45] Speaker 1: So they already talked about the assault on that day of the 12th. But you did not recant on that day of August 12th, correct? Correct. [01:23:00] Speaker 5: The state would offer state's exhibit date 12-13 for all purposes. It's been previously tendered to the defense counsel, which is the rainwater assault videos. [01:23:16] Speaker 6: The judge will object and renew our previous objections made at a hearing inside the purpose of the jury. [01:23:29] Speaker 4: What's the state's exhibit? [01:23:31] Speaker 1: We had a hearing in July that the court admitted or rules that these were admissible during that entire hearing as to the feud and the timeline. [01:23:39] Speaker 4: Okay. [01:23:40] Speaker ?: State's exhibit 12-13 is admitted for all purposes. Thank you, Your Honor. [01:23:44] Speaker 6: Just so the record's clear, are you overruling my... Yes. Yes. [01:23:49] Speaker 1: May I have a moment, Your Honor, to prepare this? Thank you. [01:24:09] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. [01:24:39] Speaker 1: Mr. Thomas, while this is trying to get to work, how well did you know rainwater? [01:25:02] Speaker ?: I barely knew him. [01:25:03] Speaker 1: I'm sorry? I barely knew him. I'm sorry? [01:25:06] Speaker ?: I barely knew him. [01:25:09] Speaker 1: And prior to this assault that took place, you had never had any runnings like this with rainwater, correct? Right. Thank you. [01:25:21] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Your Honor. We have some technical difficulties. I apologize. This is a good time to take a break. [01:26:00] Speaker 1: Let's take a continuing break. [01:26:15] Speaker ?: I'm back at 4:15. 3:15? I'm sorry. [01:26:22] Speaker 4: 3:15. [01:26:23] Speaker ?: I'm sorry. 3:15. [01:26:25] Speaker 1: Go ahead. [01:26:26] Speaker ?: All right. All right. [01:26:35] Speaker 8: You got our mics up? All right. [01:26:37] Speaker ?: All right. All right. I didn't know nothing about nothing. Yes. I was like, oh, it wasn't going to go in a good direction. I don't know. And then I lied. I lied to the grand jury. And you're asking me to lie again. [01:27:13] Speaker 8: No. Re-lie. Re-lie. You're making me re-lie. [01:27:17] Speaker 9: I'm like, is that a word? [01:27:18] Speaker 8: He says, do you recognize anyone in the courtroom? Not no more. I was like, okay, this ain't going anywhere good. Yeah. Yes. It was kind of... [01:27:40] Speaker 9: But this is what we've been waiting for. [01:27:42] Speaker 8: Yeah. But how much credence can a jury give this? [01:27:48] Speaker 9: Well, like I said before, it just depends on the juror. You may have some jurors on there that are going to say, he's lying now. What he told the grand jury, what he told Detective Eric Barnes, which he said that's the person he trusted. Mm-hmm. That was the truth. And what he's doing now, because he's in front of Yellow Beasy, this is a lie. Or he's trying to save himself now. This is a lie. Then you may have other jurors that are like, I'm not going to listen to anything he says. He's just a liar. [01:28:20] Speaker 8: Well, how do you even begin to parse what is true and what is not true as a juror? I mean, I... [01:28:28] Speaker 9: It makes it hard. It makes it hard. [01:28:30] Speaker 8: It feels really difficult. Mm-hmm. You thought, you know, you kind of understood when he took the fifth last week, okay, he's cutting himself, you know, some kind of deal here. Right? Because that's why we got his attorney. And then we heard them say this morning they were doing this limited immunity agreement. And it's just like he's, he does not, not want to be in that courtroom. No. [01:29:01] Speaker 9: And, um, his body language, you know, besides him just saying he, he doesn't know or that he was lying and, uh, ADA Adams having to pull out the, um, grand jury transcript and impeach him with that, um, his body language says he doesn't want to be there. Right. And it doesn't look like he looked over to Yellow Beezy one time during that trial. Yeah. During his testimony. [01:29:30] Speaker 8: Right. What does that tell you? [01:29:32] Speaker 9: That he knew, he knows he messed up. That he never should have talked in the first place? That he never should have talked in the first place. Because what he, he wasn't really a party to it. It was just things he had heard or things that were allegedly told to him. Right. [01:29:50] Speaker 8: What did you make of, I mean, I counted four times that the, uh, Toby asked the judge to admonish the jury and then four times that the judge did it and talk to people about what that means and why that's important. What she was doing. [01:30:12] Speaker 9: About the grand jury testimony that they're not supposed to consider it for guilt or it's only being. Because he called it inadmissible hearsay. Yes. Yes. Well, um, that it, it can't be used for, to decide his guilt or innocence, but it's hard to unring that bell once it's been rung. Are they improperly bringing it in? I, I think there were a few points there where ADA Adams didn't lay out the question. It was just like he, like attorney Shook said, he was just reading from the grand jury testimony. Right. When he should have been asked him a question and then let him give his answer. Right. Okay. This isn't the answer you gave in grand jury. Do you remember saying this to the grand jurors? [01:31:01] Speaker 8: Right. Now, does this create some appellate? Should Marquise Conway get convicted? Does this create some appellate points? [01:31:09] Speaker 9: I think they do have some things for that appellate record. [01:31:12] Speaker 8: What do you think the judge should have done? I mean, I've, you know, she doesn't watch this. [01:31:17] Speaker 9: Well, Judge Onyem, she may, she's very informed. I think, you know, Judge Onyem, she made some right calls, but me being a defense attorney, I'm, you know, judge, hey, no, don't let him, don't let him do this. Because they're, they're backdooring it in. They're backdooring it in. And they know the jurors, even though you may have some jurors that are going to follow the judge's instruction, you got others that are like, nah. I remember what he said in that grand jury testimony that he. Yeah. [01:31:54] Speaker 8: And, and, and they're basically saying that he heard. Describe to folks what, what, what the grand jury testimony is saying happened here. [01:32:06] Speaker 9: From what I can tell, um, he testified that, um, Jerry Johnson, who is a very close friend, they grew up together. Went to Lancaster. They call each other cousin. You know, they view each other as family. Um, paid for yellow beesies part of the hit. Right. And that he needed his money back. He didn't have a lot of money. Yeah. He needed his money back. And, um, also, um, that Mr. Thomas himself told Kiwan, Hey, you're making things bad out here. The way you're spending this money. Right. You're bringing it on a lot of attention because people know you don't have any money, not money like that. And you're out here buying new clothes. You're buying change. You're going to the clubs. You're doing all this stuff. You need to leave town. [01:33:03] Speaker 8: Which is allegedly why we end up seeing him out on the in Mount Pleasant and Mount Pleasant getting stopped with all that money, cash and drugs. Um, how much more do prosecutors have with him? You think? Are they done? [01:33:19] Speaker 9: Uh, I think they're going to be wrapping it up here and then we're going to watch attorney Shook or I don't know, maybe Gusio will take him. But I kind of have a feeling it's going to be Shook. [01:33:29] Speaker 8: I think it's going to be Shook. I think Shook. Well, you know what? [01:33:32] Speaker 9: Yeah, because Shook is the one doing the objections. So it's going to be Shook. [01:33:35] Speaker 8: I think Shook is going to have a field day with him. Um, I think he's going to, you know, it's like, which when, when were you telling the truth? Yes. And what kind of. [01:33:48] Speaker 9: Today? Are you telling the truth today by saying that you were lying to the grand jury? [01:33:52] Speaker 8: Was it that day? Was it another day? Was it in August when you recanted it? Is it today when you're talking about the, the rely? And, and we did, and Valerie and I actually looked it up. Um, he has a pending third degree felony, um, theft case, uh, in Dallas County in, in Judge Jones's court, Judge Rocky Jones. And, um, that had to be the case. They were, I guess they were going to, you know, cut him some kind of deal on that. Probably so. A third degree felony in Texas is two to 10 and you can guarantee they are going to go for. [01:34:28] Speaker 9: Yeah. [01:34:29] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:34:29] Speaker 9: He won't be getting probation on that. No, no. He won't be getting into a deferred prosecution on that one. There will be no sweetheart deals on that one. They're going to, they're going to want the max on him, which is 10 years. But you know, that was the point that I think ADA Adams was making. You had these federal gun cases that basically were dismissed because you participated in some type of federal deferred prosecution program. And you never said then you were lying. But then the night before we're supposed to go to trial on key one white, all of a sudden you're lying. You, you, you were lying to us this entire time, but you got what you wanted. Right. Which, you know, having federal gun cases, that's a big deal. That's, you know, that's some time there. [01:35:13] Speaker 8: Because the feds don't play. No. If you get time in federal prison, you're, you're going, you're, you're going for the rodeo. [01:35:19] Speaker 9: Right. And you got to do about what? 80% of your time. [01:35:22] Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't, I don't know what the exact percentages are, but in the federal, in the federal system, it's, it's a for real deal. Um, and you also get, you know, he wouldn't be necessarily in Texas. He could have been anywhere. He could be anywhere. I mean, you can be anywhere. In the continental United States. And so, um, you know, that is a pretty good deal. Um, okay. So somebody asked now, and I, and I hate, you know, you hate to use the words winning, but somebody wants to know right now, who is winning state or defense? [01:35:51] Speaker ?: Valerie? [01:35:52] Speaker 9: I don't, I don't know because I'm not the juror. The jurors on there and only they, you know, and I see people going back and forth. It looks like it's about 50, 50. 50, 50. Some people think, um, yellow bees is going to be acquitted. Some believe he's going to be convicted, but you never know until that red light flashes. And it's the last red light. And the bailiff comes back, comes back and says, we have a verdict. [01:36:19] Speaker 8: Right. Right. So I'm just getting word that what they're going to do is after this break, um, they're going to show video of Bodega and yellow beesy beating up Mo three's manager. That's rainwater that they're talking about. [01:36:33] Speaker 9: Okay. [01:36:34] Speaker 8: Um, but you know, I guess that's, you know, starting to give people some perspective on this feud, this feud that is unwinding and that's going to, that they're going to, the prosecutors are saying, and that Eric Barnes is going to say culminated in this killing of Mo three. Okay. So, I mean, that's, if you were the defense attorney, um, what would you do with Jose Bodega? Theodore Thomas. [01:37:09] Speaker 9: I would rip him apart. I would pull out, you know, that, you know, he's pending theft charges. So, cause that's a crime of moral interpretation. Right. And he has a court. And it can be, and it can be used now because the prosecution prosecutor brought it out. Um, that he, you know, got this great deal with the feds, you know, got his cases dismissed. Got sweet deal. Yes. And that, um, you know, he's, he's basically lying for whatever reason is, you know, is he lying because he felt Yellow Beasy wasn't really backing him in his music career. Right. You know, that's something I saw on real life street stars. Some people were commenting about. [01:37:56] Speaker 8: Do you see them going after him for perjury? [01:37:58] Speaker 9: Oh yeah. But perjury is just a class A. [01:38:01] Speaker 8: But you got that. But see, we did again, guys, we've got this pending theft charge and it's a third degree felony. And, and if they've got anything else that's sitting over there in the quiver, so to speak. Oh, they're going to pull it out. I mean, Mr. Bodega or Theodore Thomas or whatever he wants to call himself. They are, if they've got anything they haven't charged him with, they will charge him. [01:38:23] Speaker 9: They'll probably bring stuff up from middle school. You know, cause these guys have known each other since they were kids. [01:38:30] Speaker 8: I mean, do you think that the, the defense, I mean the prosecution, they really thought they had this worked out with this immunity deal? [01:38:39] Speaker 9: I think that's what they believed. Um, you know, why wouldn't he testify right? He got all these things from us, from the feds. But, you know, as, as a prosecutor, generally you wait till after they've testified and then give them the sweet, sweet deals. Because there were, because the state is required to tell the defense if they have any deals worked out with witnesses. Um, and, you know, a lot of prosecutors, they wait until after the person has testified, after, you know, the defendant has been convicted or, you know, whatever the case may be in order to do the sweet deals. So they don't have to release that and state that in front of a jury. [01:39:34] Speaker 8: Now we haven't seen the immunity deal, but the way I understand it, and Valerie, you can correct me, is that basically they've agreed that whatever he testifies to, as long as he testifies truthfully, that he would have immunity for it. So, one could argue. I mean, were you lying then? Are you lying now? Which time were you lying? [01:39:57] Speaker 9: Right. Yeah, what is, what is truthfully in this case? [01:40:01] Speaker 8: I mean, when, when the guy said... [01:40:03] Speaker 9: Are you being truthful that you were lying? [01:40:06] Speaker 8: He said, his first question was, do you recognize anyone in the courtroom? Not no more. I was like, oh, this is not going a good direction. Yeah. This is not... Oh, okay. So, um, somebody wants to know what does a hostile witness mean? Um... [01:40:25] Speaker 9: What does that mean? A hostile witness means, originally this person is your witness, and they're supposed to be on board with the case, with your case that you're presenting. But, for whatever reason, they don't want to testify the way they told you how things went down. And so, you have to lay out some things, you know, showing that they won't answer, or they don't recall, or they're being, you know, maybe being aggressive towards the attorney asking the questions, and then you ask the judge for permission to treat them as a hostile witness. Then your questions can be leading questions. Right. You can... Isn't it true? Blah, blah, blah. Uh, didn't you say this? Um, the kind of questions that you heard ADA Adams asking Mr. Thomas. [01:41:14] Speaker 8: Okay. Somebody asked, Tanya, are there lessers if he gets acquitted of the remuneration? I don't know, because he would be... I mean, if he's... If... [01:41:26] Speaker 9: Well, he could be acquitted of, um... Well, it depends on what's in the, um... [01:41:32] Speaker 8: Well, it could be in the jury charge. In the jury charge. [01:41:35] Speaker 9: You know, because they can ask for a murder, or they can ask for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Do you see them doing that? After the way this went, I can see... I... Perhaps... Perhaps the state asking for a murder charge, um, in addition to the capital murder. Now, um, Attorney Shook and Attorney, um, Goosey will probably... Goosey-o will fight that tooth and nail, because they're probably going to feel like they have... [01:42:05] Speaker 8: They don't want to give any wiggle words. [01:42:07] Speaker 9: Have a strong enough case for an acquittal. Right. Um, but the state could ask for lessers, and the judge could grant that, and he could be acquitted of capital murder, but then found guilty on, um... [01:42:20] Speaker 8: If they put a lesser in to the jury charge. Mm-hmm. Um, somebody wants to know, um, okay, here's... Somebody want to know, basically, why are prosecutors putting a lying witness on the stand? [01:42:32] Speaker 9: Well, they didn't think he was going to lie. They thought he was going to tell the truth. [01:42:39] Speaker 8: They thought they had cut the deal. Mm-hmm. They thought they had cut the deal. They gotta be frustrated. [01:42:43] Speaker 9: But someone here said the case is weak, and right now it does look that way. It does look like it's a weaker case. [01:42:51] Speaker 8: I mean, folks... I don't know if y'all noticed, I've now had five... Well, no, I've had four attorneys on here. Now, I know Bree represented Kiwan White, and some of y'all didn't completely like Bree because of her representation of Kiwan White. But you guys have... Every single one of them has been pretty consistent that they've felt that, right now, that every day we have not seen the evidence that would get us to a conviction. Like, we're not seeing enough kind of dots on the board yet. Not saying we don't get there, but so far we have not gotten there. [01:43:26] Speaker 9: Someone asked, "Does this have a chance to be a RICO charge?" I don't know. I don't know if it does or not. That's a federal charge, and I don't know. [01:43:35] Speaker 8: I don't feel like I know enough about federal law. I have a... [01:43:39] Speaker 9: Well, I mean, they could be, like, an engaging and organized crime, you know, a state charge, but I don't think that's what they wanted to pursue. Yeah. [01:43:50] Speaker 8: Okay, somebody asked, "Can he be charged as an accessory, meaning bodega, to the crime, if Yellow Beasy is convicted?" [01:44:06] Speaker 9: Like an accessory after the fact? [01:44:10] Speaker 8: Yeah, something like that. I just dropped my little IV thing. Oh, you dropped your... [01:44:15] Speaker 9: Yeah, that's okay. I would have to see what he did in order to further the crime. [01:44:23] Speaker 8: Right, but it sounds like they're saying he didn't find out about it until after the fact. [01:44:27] Speaker 9: Yeah, he didn't find out until after the fact, but what did he do to help and aid after this murder took place? [01:44:34] Speaker 8: So, obviously, if they've got any... [01:44:36] Speaker 9: You know, just saying, "Hey, man, you bring in heat, you probably need to go," that may not be enough to charge him with some of those. Some of those things. [01:44:47] Speaker 8: Do you see them, if they've got anything... Sorry, I'm looking for my cord, guys, for this. There it is. This is so I can hear in my ear when they talk to me. I have to have... This is... If they have evidence like that, do you see them trying to bring that kind of charge? [01:45:06] Speaker 9: They could because of what's going on here today. How mad are they? Well, ADA Adams, he sounded pretty frustrated, pretty upset. Oh, I just saw Judge Onyem. It looks like she's getting back on the bench. [01:45:28] Speaker 8: Okay, here's another question. They really think you look like... They really keep calling you Madea. [01:45:33] Speaker 9: Oh, is it that one that smokers only are dot that man, the man? [01:45:38] Speaker 8: I have to say, I really like Madea, but anyway, that's a whole other topic. So, Ellen... [01:45:42] Speaker 9: Hey, Madea's rich. Yeah. [01:45:45] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:45:46] Speaker 8: So, the question... So, they want... They keep calling me Ellen, and they want me to ask you, how much did Bodega's lawyer have to do with this, quote unquote, with his, quote unquote, "stupidity"? I mean, I... It's hard for me to know that James Lee Bright would have known that this was what was going to happen. [01:46:04] Speaker 9: Yeah. I don't... [01:46:06] Speaker 8: I just... I... Do I... Somebody wants to know if I speak other languages. I'm doing good to speak English, folks. Yeah. I think it's just... This is not going the way that prosecutors expect, and it'll be very interesting if at the conclusion of this trial, if any of the jurors talk, so we get a feel for, you know, whether or not, you know, how much stock they're going to put in this witness. Mm-hmm. I think it... So, folks are... See, now, some people think they're... Say they're being disrespectful to y'all. I... Folks, I... I... My attitude on that stuff is that people, you know, say all kinds of stuff in the comments, and I don't... Oh. I don't take it personal. I mean, and neither does... I just laugh. It's funny to me. I think it's funny. Even on my personal Facebook page, put together a picture of Ellen and a picture of myself, and I was like, how do they... How do they... Where are they... I mean, I know I have short hair right now, and it's kind of blown dry forward, but I'm like, where are they getting the Ellen comparison? Because she's got blonde hair, and I do not have blonde hair, and I've gotten too lazy to dye it, and... Because my hairdresser told me that was an okay thing. And so, I... But whatever. It's... It is what it is. Okay. So, I think we're... We see... Hey, can you... I can't remember the name of the guy that's back there. It's not Zeke. Can you put up the shot in the courtroom for me? [01:47:40] Speaker 9: Oh, it's Mr. Guzman, I believe. Mr. Guzman? [01:47:42] Speaker 8: I feel horrible. I know he introduced himself to me, and I've already forgotten his name, because I'm terrible with names. I can barely remember my own sometimes. Okay. Kill our mics. [01:47:56] Speaker 4: We're back on the record. The record will reflect that the defendant is present. The security of the state is present. The jurors are present and sealed. And the state is still in the process of examining Mr. Thomas. Let us rise ready to proceed. [01:48:09] Speaker 7: The defense is ready, Your Honor. [01:48:10] Speaker 1: The defense is ready, Your Honor. State make a seat. Your Honor, permission to publish State's Exhibit 12-13. And within 12-13, it's actually Exhibit 29, Surveillance Rainwater Conway Sink.MP4. It's still in there. That's my daughter. Sorry. And Your Honor, if the court wouldn't mind doing the lights. [01:48:38] Speaker ?: Thank you. [01:48:39] Speaker 1: Now, Mr. Thomas, I'm not going to take a whole lot more of your time today. I know this is not easy for you. [01:48:54] Speaker ?: But I do appreciate your patience. Now, this is the video, 12-13 is the video that we watched previously, correct? Correct. And I'm going to pause right there in 11 seconds. [01:48:54] Speaker 1: Here we see chasing after rainwater. [01:48:55] Speaker ?: I'm going to pause right there in 11 seconds. Here we see chasing after rainwater. [01:48:55] Speaker 1: I'm going to pause right there in 11 seconds. Here we see chasing after rainwater in that video. [01:48:57] Speaker ?: Here we see chasing after rainwater. [01:48:57] Speaker 1: Here we see chasing after rainwater. Okay. [01:48:59] Speaker ?: I'm going to pause right there in 11 seconds. Here we see chasing after rainwater. Here we see chasing after rainwater in that video. Here we see chasing after rainwater. Okay. Here we see chasing after rainwater. Here we see chasing after rainwater. Here we see chasing after rainwater. [01:49:04] Speaker 1: Here we see chasing after rainwater. [01:49:08] Speaker ?: Here we see chasing after rainwater. [01:49:08] Speaker 1: Here we see chasing after rainwater in that video. Here we see chasing after rainwater. [01:49:11] Speaker ?: Here we see chasing after rainwater. [01:49:11] Speaker 1: Here we see chasing after rainwater. Here we see chasing after rainwater. Here we see chasing after rainwater. 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Here we see chasing after rainwater. Here we see chasing after rainwater. Here we see chasing after rainwater. How they put pressure on you? Right. Pressure on you to cooperate? Right. Okay. So back in 2024, you spent a total of about 18 months in federal custody. Is that right? Right. Back in the summer, early part of the summer of 2024. Let me back up. When you got arrested on these federal charges, you had a young daughter. Is that right? Right. How old was she? At the time, she was like 30. Okay. And you were in a relationship with a woman. Right. I'm not going to say her name, not have that out of public. And it was a serious relationship. Right. And that's something that you didn't want to lose, did you? I didn't have nothing to lose. But you didn't want to lose that relationship and you were separated from her, weren't you? Yeah. I didn't want to do anything. Okay. Do you remember you would have some phone conversations with a man that y'all call Lo Deasy? Yeah. The real name's Adrian Brown? Yeah. Do you remember talking to him once on June 4th of 2024 and telling him, "You know why they got me in this hoe?" They just trying to make an end feel fucked up. Yeah, they holding me just trying to make an end and tell some shit on some bullshit. Remember telling him that? No. Is that how you felt back then? Yeah. That they were holding you, trying to get you to say something, to sell something, as you said, on some bullshit. Right. And that means to lie. Now, you were looking at 25 years and in federal time, the parole, they keep you in there about 85% of the length of your sentence time. Right. So, you were looking at that time, being in prison probably 20 years or so, as far as what you were looking at charges. Then, as the summer went along, the federal prosecutors applied more pressure by coming to, and you learned quickly that they were now threatening to bring RICO charges and Vicar charges in your case. You want to call that? Right. I'm not sure the jury knows about that. I was about to ask that. Okay. Could you explain to the jury what RICO charges are? Basically, it's a murderous gang with drugs, killing, robbing, stealing, and they, it's in root, more than one. I think it's something like that. [02:04:11] Speaker ?: I don't really know what they're waiting for. [02:04:11] Speaker 6: It's a racketeering charge, correct? Right. [02:04:13] Speaker ?: And that ups your penalty range up to a life sentence, doesn't it? [02:04:13] Speaker 6: Yeah. [02:04:14] Speaker 3: And your lawyer came with you and told you that they were considering, uh, indicting you on a RICO. Right. Right. They also mentioned Vicar. [02:04:21] Speaker ?: Is that right? [02:04:21] Speaker 3: Right. Right. Can you explain to the jury what that is? I don't know. I don't really know what they're waiting for. [02:04:28] Speaker 6: It's a racketeering charge, correct? Right. And that ups your penalty range up to a life sentence, doesn't it? Yeah. And your lawyer came with you and told you that they were considering, uh, indicting you on a RICO charge. Right. They also mentioned Vicar. Is that right? [02:04:50] Speaker ?: Right. [02:04:51] Speaker 6: Can you explain to the jury what that is? [02:04:53] Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't really know what it means. I just know that, uh, it was the same thing that they used to get the mob. [02:05:00] Speaker 6: Okay. That also carried a life sentence? Yeah. So now, when you were looking at 25 years in prison, now you were learning that they were considering charging you with crimes that would put you in a way for life in prison at that time. Is that right? Right. So the pressure was even more intense at that point? Okay. I guess so. Uh, it certainly got your attention that they were considering doing that to you, didn't it? Right. And you knew they had a solid case as far as the drug dealing goes, but you knew what kind of information the federal authorities wanted, didn't they? Right. [02:05:44] Speaker ?: Right. [02:05:44] Speaker 6: You knew almost from the beginning of your incarceration, they wanted information on the Mo 3 murder, correct? Right. And they wanted the wrappers. Right. Right. [02:05:58] Speaker ?: You knew that. Right. [02:05:59] Speaker 6: You knew that. Did you? [02:06:01] Speaker ?: Right. And that's the kind of information they wanted. And now you were facing, uh, charges that might, uh, give you a life sentence. Right. [02:06:04] Speaker 6: Right. Right. Right. You could never see your daughter grow up. Correct? Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. You may never, uh, be able to, obviously, reunite with the person that you wanted to spend your life with. [02:06:16] Speaker ?: Right. [02:06:17] Speaker 6: Wouldn't be able to see your family. Right. And that's a lot of pressure. grow up. Correct? Correct. You may never be able to obviously reunite with the person that you wanted to spend your life with. Right. Wouldn't be able to see your family. Right. And that's a lot of pressure. They also gave you a deadline in September of 2024. Do you recall that about convincing them that you shouldn't be in a RICO case? So this deadline was coming up in September on September 23rd of 2024 when you were supposed to go with your lawyer to meet the federal prosecutor and detective Barnes. Do you recall that? And at that meeting is when you told this story about what you say you heard in that SUV. Is that right? Right. That was a lot. Right. But you told that story because that was the only way out for you. Right. Am I right? Right. Otherwise you thought they may be going after you and you get a life sentence. Correct? Correct. A life sentence over what you believe were more of a minor role in this whole drug conspiracy charge that you were facing. Right. So when you went in that meeting you were facing that possibility of a life sentence. And that's when you told this story that wasn't true. Correct? Correct. And then three days later. And then three days later. Your attorney informs you that they believe you'd be an ideal candidate for the steps program. That you should apply. Did you recall that? Yeah, I had to apply for it. Right. But then you went from facing a life sentence. Then you told the story that they must apply. Because 72 hours you were being told you just need to apply for steps. Which is a drug program. Which is a drug program. Is that right? Right. And you were also told that if you got in the program you'd be released from federal custody. Correct? Correct. And that your case could be dismissed. Upon completion of the program. Upon completion of the program. So things had dramatically changed for you once you told this story to Detective Barnes, to the federal prosecutor. Well, my problem wouldn't have been told it. It was all my involvement. Right. And the whole thing. For us to. But it included the part you said that you lied about. You didn't ever hear any conversation in an SUV, did you? Right. You didn't hear or have a conversation with Jerry when you first got back from California. Right. You knew that's what they wanted to hear. Truth? Right. In fact, that's what you told Detective Barnes early this year when he asked you why you were saying you lied. He said, I was facing life and I was just telling them what they wanted to hear. Right. You remember telling him that? You didn't say you were threatened by anyone, that you felt you were in danger, your family's in danger. You told them the reason you're recanting is you knew it was wrong. And you were only telling them what they wanted to hear back in September of 2024. Right. And you were able to get accepted into that state program, weren't you? I was accepted before that. I was accepted before that. Okay. Well, if you were accepted before that, they were still threatening you with a RICO charge, weren't they? Say that again? I said they were still threatening you with a RICO charge, weren't they? Yeah. Yeah. That's because they, like they was telling me, I was, I had to tell them, show them that I wasn't involved. Yeah. Yeah. They also wanted to hear information about the rappers too, didn't they? Right. Which is why you told them that story. Because you knew that's what they wanted to hear. True? Right. Right. All right. They let you enter the steps program, even though that you had that one gun count on you from what, from that previous arrest back in 2022, didn't they? [02:11:25] Speaker 3: I had no gun count in 2022. The L gun count was for me. 2023? No, it was way before you. It was when you got arrested on the state charge, right? No, I didn't charge him with a gun. I first got charged with a state charge. I got charged with a gun two weeks after that. When I got out of jail, I got another gun charge. Okay. Is that in May of 2022? [02:11:53] Speaker 6: I don't remember. I don't remember. About nine days after you got out of jail? Yeah. All right. May I approach, Your Honor? I want to show you what's been marked as Defense 85, 86, and 87. Do you recognize those documents? Do you recognize defense 87 as your plea agreement paperwork? Do you recognize 85 as your plea agreement supplement that you signed? And do you recognize defense 86 as the motion to dismiss that the government filed in your federal case? All right. Judge, we'll offer 85, 86, and 87 at this time. [02:13:41] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [02:14:56] Speaker 1: Any objections? Your Honor, other than redaction of some information, which I've spoke to Mr. Shook about, we have no objections other than those redactions, but to keep this moving, he's going to fold it back so that won't be seen at this time. So we can get our redaction, we can get our redacted copies later. Okay, very good. The one is for record purposes only, I believe, which is 83. We have no objection for record purposes. [02:15:22] Speaker 4: He said 85, 86, and 87. [02:15:26] Speaker 1: 86. 86. So no objection for record as long as it's redacted, 85 as long as it's redacted for all purposes, and 87 as long as it's redacted for all purposes, I have no problem. [02:15:43] Speaker 4: Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you. State's exhibit, I'm sorry. Defense's exhibit 85 is admitted as redacted. Defense's exhibit 86 is admitted for record purposes. Defense's exhibit 87 is admitted as redacted. [02:16:02] Speaker 6: You entered into a plea in December of 2024, is that right? Oh, yeah. Okay. And you signed what we call a plea supplement at the time you entered that plea, is that right? Right. December 17, 2024. Is that correct? Correct. I want to show you some language in that plea supplement. about some of your obligations under here. Please, okay? All right. The government agrees that USSG, section 1B1A, is applicable to the defendant. Any information provided by the defendant, and not otherwise known by the government, other than what was charged in the second student, receiving indictment in connection with the defendant's assistance to the government, including debriefing and testimony, will not be used to increase the defendant's sentencing guideline level by use against the defendant for further prosecution. If, in the opinion of the United States Attorney, the defendant has met all the defendant's obligations under the plea agreement and provided full, complete, and truthful information and testimony, however, nothing revealed by the defendant during the defendant's debriefings and testimony will preclude the defendant's prosecution for any violent crime. That was part of all your cooperation agreement that you had signed. Do you recall that? Do you recall that you had, as part of your agreement, you had to agree to testify against, at any, any prosecuting office, not just including the feds, against Marquise Conway, Jerry Johnson, Devin Brown, and Kewan Brown. Kewan what? Right. That was one of your requirements. And if you didn't do that, then your plea agreement could be voided and could be back in custody and prosecuted on the federal case. Right. So part of your condition with the feds is you had to cooperate and testify with other law enforcement, including the state of Texas, which is why you were in the grand jury on February 13th, the 2025. Right. So when Mr. Adams says he didn't promise you anything, you knew that if you didn't testify in that grand jury proceeding to what you had already told them, that your federal deal would be off, didn't you? Right. And that's why you lied in the grand jury. All right. Now I want to turn your attention, and you were released from custody, was that in February? Yeah. And you were out, when you were released from custody, you were allowed to go to a relative's house, is that right? Right. You had this pending felony charge in Dallas County at that time, didn't you? Yeah. In fact, there was a warrant out for that, for your, there was no bond said you had an active warrant on that, didn't you? Right. But they, when you were released, they didn't take you in custody and take you over to Listerra, did they? Yeah, they did. That day, or were you allowed to check in later? [02:20:23] Speaker 3: Nah, as soon as I got released from the feds, they put me in a hotel in the small town, $2,000 in, and I had to wait on Dallas to come pick me up. Okay. And when did you get out of that holding facility? [02:20:35] Speaker 6: I never got out of Dallas County to pick me up. So you went to Dallas County, and after you testified, is that when you were granted a PR bond? All right. You didn't have to post a bond, it was a personal reconnaissance bond, correct? Right. When you, and the DA agreed to that. [02:20:54] Mr Thomas: Oh, your honor, I'm going to object, that's a misstatement. The state never agreed to a PR bond on Mr. Thomas. Yeah, my lawyer got me a PR bond. [02:21:01] Speaker 4: Hold on, I'm Mr. Thomas. [02:21:04] Speaker 6: I'll let him answer it. [02:21:05] Speaker ?: All right. [02:21:06] Speaker 4: Go ahead. [02:21:07] Speaker 6: Okay, so you've already got your PR bond, so you didn't have to post money, you got out of jail. Right. And that's when you went to live with your relatives. Right. So let's turn your attention back to 2020 when you went out to California on that trip with Marquise Conway and his Uncle Keith. Okay? Now you had, in 2020, flown with Marquise Conway several times, had you not? Right. And you were pursuing your RAC career as well at that time, weren't you? Right. And when y'all went, on this trip, when you arrived in L.A. on November 10th, you'd been out to Los Angeles with Marquise Conway beforehand. Yeah. And he had been signed recently with HITCO, which was a record company, is that right? Right. Okay. That was a trip that was planned by his record company, is that right? Right. And when you were out there, the plan was Marquise Conway would do promotions, photo shoots, interviews, that type of thing. Right. Which is what he's required to do as part of the record company, promote his music. Right. They paid for the trip out there, the record company. Right. You didn't have to. [02:22:32] Speaker 4: No. [02:22:33] Speaker 6: And also the hotel you were in, the Mondray, you stayed there along with Marquise Conway and his Uncle Keith, correct? Correct. The record company paid for that as well? Yeah. All right. Now, that trip was supposed to be like a three-night trip, do you recall that? Yeah, I don't recall how many days it was supposed to be. It wasn't supposed to be real long, though, was it? Yeah, I don't remember. Were usually the trips just two or three days? [02:23:05] Speaker 3: It depends. Like, yeah, probably sometime, like, probably like three days after week, to be on, like, give or take, we haven't been places for longer than that, though, too. [02:23:14] Speaker 6: Do you remember when you debriefed with Detective Barnes and the federal prosecutors on September 23, 24, and you told them that after Melvin Noah was killed, the record company wanted Marquise Conway to stay a little longer in California? Right. The plan was to leave earlier, but they said, no, you need to stay a little longer. Right. So the trip was extended more days than God expected when you went out there. Right. Do you remember that, and this was in November, so Thanksgiving's coming up, do you remember Marquise Conway's girlfriend come out with their children to join him out there in California? Yeah. And they came shortly after, around a couple of days, basically around November 13th or 14th, something like that. Right. And they stayed out there for the rest of the time that you were out in California. They were all in the room at the Mondrian Hotel. Right. Is that right? Right. Then it was on, we've learned, November 20th, that you and Uncle Keith and Marquise Conway flew back to DFW. Right. Landed around noon, is that right? I don't know what time it was. Okay. Do you remember how you were able to leave the airport? Who have you got to ride home with? I think I was riding myself at home. And then in the story, going back, you're back to Dallas, November 20th. At that time, when you told the story the first time, September 23rd, 2024, you had no idea about the actual dates when you got back or when Marquise Conway went back to California, did you? Right. But you were aware, you recall, that Marquise Conway did fly back to California, correct? Yeah, I know that I stayed there. That's something I did say. Okay. And he stayed out there in California for some time, didn't he? Yeah. I don't remember how long, but I know he went back. I don't remember how long he was going back. His family was back there in California waiting for him, wasn't there? I don't remember exactly. Okay. But you didn't have the exact dates. But then you told the story, you said that once you got back, that's when you talked to Jerry. I know this wasn't true, but you said that's when you learned that Keywon White had been the one that shot Moe 3. That was the story you told. Right. That was after you got back from California. Right. And then your story was, on a different day, on a different day, you were down at the barbershop and saw Marquise Conway come in his SUV. And you saw Jerry get in the SUV. You remember telling him that? Right. And so you decided to go get out in the SUV as well. You recall that? And that's when you say you overheard this conversation about Jerry wants some money from Marquise Conway. Right. And that's what the feds wanted to hear. But that was a lie, correct? Right. But you were very specific when you talked to the Detective Barnes and the feds in September of 2024. You said this conversation happened out in front of the barbershop. Correct? Correct. And you said the same thing in the grand jury. You said it happened out in front of the barbershop. Right. And it happened after you got back and supposedly had this one conversation with Jerry Johnson. Remember that? You also told him that it was maybe a week later that you talked to Jerry and he said Marquise Conway hadn't taken the money yet. You called that? [02:27:36] Speaker ?: You called that? [02:27:36] Speaker 6: No, I don't call it. Okay. But definitely you said it all happened at the barbershop. The conversation in the SUV that you lied about. Right. And the barbershop's down in South Dallas, correct? Oak Cliff. Oak Cliff? Yeah. What street's it on? [02:27:53] Speaker ?: What street's it on? [02:27:54] Speaker 6: Oh, the Sunfield. Okay. Now, we now know... Let me approach Judge. Yes, you may. When you're telling this story, the first time you've told it, it's like four years after Noble Noble had been killed. Is that right? No, no, no. [02:28:19] Speaker ?: No, no. No, no. No, no. [02:28:48] Speaker 6: There have been records introduced that Marquise Conway flew back to California on November 22nd, 2020. Okay? So, if we're looking at a calendar, the story you told, the story that you told the U.S. Attorney's Office, Detective Barnes, the story you told, the grand jury, would have all had to happen. And those events, starting with the 20th, 21st, 22nd, correct? Correct. A two-and-a-half-day period. Correct? Right. Meaning, if you were telling the truth to them, if it was a true statement, all this would have happened, talking to Jerry about what happened, and then seeing Marquise Conway at the barbershop would all have to have happened during this two-and-a-half-day period. Right? Right. Okay. And you've been, you were incarcerated for some 18 months. You know people that have had criminal charges. You know that the police and the authorities use cell phone tower evidence to track people's phones, don't you? Right. And they use it so they can help prove their case and cooperate where people are. Right. By their phones. Right. No big secret, right? Right. Right. You're also aware that they use their phones themselves to track and see where they're on. Right? Right. So if your story was true, actually true, the police would be able to see who cell tower evidence or phones themselves or cell tower evidence. That Marquise Conway would come down there to Oak Cliff at that barbershop sometime in that time period, wouldn't they? Right. And if they didn't have that evidence, if it showed him in another place such as Frisco, Texas, that would show that you're telling the truth today that what you said was a lie. [02:31:12] Speaker 3: Right. [02:31:12] Speaker 6: Correct? In your meetings with Detective Barnes or with the DA's office, have they ever brought up cell phone evidence, tower evidence of where you were or where Marquise Conway was? No. Let me turn your attention to back into May of 2022. Do you remember you got arrested for the drug charge around May 12th of 2022 and made bond. You call that? Right. And then it was on May 20th when you got pulled over with Jerry Johnson and they arrested you on a misdemeanor marijuana charge and a misdemeanor gun charge. Right. And they took you down to, uh, they took you down to downtown where homicide was. Put you in the interview room. You call that? Yes, sir. And that's the first time you met Detective Barnes? Yes, sir. Uh, and you interviewed with him. You call that? Yes. I had a long discussion. And he asked you all about, uh, Melvin Noble and Marquise Conway called Mowthory in yellow. And you told him at that time, on May 20th, that you didn't believe, uh, yellow would want to harm Mowthory at all. Right. You told him you didn't really think Mowthory was even wanting to be in a beef with Mowthory, did you? Right. Because he was so big, as far as rapping go, he was above that. He was, he was having national fame, that type of thing. Right. Didn't need to get involved in any something locally, that type of thing. Right. I think you called it clickbait. Right? Right. That, that was a social media thing and that type of thing. That's what you told Detective Barnes that day. Right. And Detective Barnes, he had taken two of your phones. Do you remember that? Yes, sir. And you asked him if those phones could be released back to you. Do you remember that? [02:33:56] Speaker 3: I don't remember the car, but I'm sure, I, I, I said, I asked him. [02:34:01] Speaker 6: Do you remember Detective Barnes saying, I'm going to hold on to him for a while, but here's my car, call me when you get out and I'll get them back to you. Yeah, I'll get them back to you. Okay. So he kept your phones and said, I'm going to keep them a while, but I'll get back to you. And did, did he get back to you? Did you get those phones back? [02:34:21] Speaker ?: No. [02:34:22] Speaker 6: Okay. So you never saw those phones again? No, sir. Did he reach out to you? Or did you reach out to him trying to get them back? I ain't going to try so much more than I am. All right. The last you saw of them was when they were taken by DPD. Right. All right. All right. Now, I want to turn your attention to after you were released, you, you testified to the grand jury on February 13th of 2025. Is that correct? Correct. Then you got out of custody. You call that? Right. Then it was in March, March 20th of 2025, when Marquise Conway was arrested for capital murder. Right. And that was due to your testimony, wasn't it? I can't say. You think a large part of that was due to what you said in the grand jury? No, I'm not objected, calls for speculation. [02:35:35] Speaker 4: It's just me. [02:35:37] Speaker 6: But what you told the grand jury about, that conversation in the SUV was a lie, wasn't it? Right. But you were out of custody, correct? Correct. You weren't facing a life sentence anymore. Correct. You just had to work this program's conditions and not get arrested, not commit any new offenses, that type of thing, right? Right. Those were the conditions of your release. You recall that? Yes, sir. All right. Now, when you were released, you were able to get a job, is that right? Yes, sir. And how did you get that job? Simply apply. And you got hired? Yes, sir. Okay. Your relationship with the woman that you considered her, at that time, your fiancée, correct? No, we weren't engaged. But it was a serious relationship? Yes. But y'all broke up for a time period? Correct. But you were able to reunite with her later, but during that summertime, you'd broken up? Correct. Okay. And that upset you, didn't it? [02:37:02] Speaker ?: No. [02:37:03] Speaker 6: You didn't care about not being with her? No. Okay. Do you remember in September of 2020, going over her house a few times and she told you she didn't want to talk to you anymore? No. Do you remember when she called your probation officer and said you were harassing her? [02:37:26] Speaker ?: No. [02:37:27] Speaker 6: She's no cop and tell her about her. Do you remember your probation officer telling you about that? Yeah, it's really. Oh, I know you're saying you weren't harassing her, but you remember her complaining and calling up your probation officer? No, I don't remember that. You don't remember the probation officer talking to you and the judge asking if you had a little problem and worked through it when you went in for the- Oh, I remember that. Okay. I remember that. And that was about the argument you had with her? Right. Okay. [02:37:58] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:37:58] Speaker 6: You remember September 26th of 2025 that she was so upset that she did call the Lancaster police to make a report? No, I don't remember that. Do you remember that? I've never heard of that. How about when she reported that you were- she reported things or talked to the probation officer? Do you remember reaching out and talking to Detective Barnes about that situation? Yeah. You did? I'm so yeah. Did you ask him to help you out as to what might happen with the STEPS program because she made that report? If she made that report, she never made a report. Okay. She never wanted it filed after saying charters were never filed against you, were they? No, she never made the report. Okay. But that's what you talked to Detective Barnes about. Is that right? [02:39:01] Speaker ?: No. [02:39:15] Speaker 6: In fact, on that day, on September 26th, you talked to Barnes for quite a long time on that day, did you not? Call a long phone conversation. I won't say it was that long. Okay. Do you remember texting with Detective Barnes while you were going through this STEPS program? Yeah, probably, yeah. Okay. Do you remember September 3rd of 2025 when your car, you had a wreck in your car? Right. And you texted to take to Barnes to let him know that you'd had a wreck. Do you call that? Right. And you asked him for some assistance. Right. Was he able to help you? [02:40:09] Speaker 3: No. [02:40:11] Speaker 6: Didn't do anything for you? [02:40:12] Speaker ?: No. [02:40:13] Speaker 6: Didn't say he was going to make some calls, try to help you? Well, he didn't do nothing, though. Were you able to get another car? Yeah, on my own. Okay. Y'all talked quite a bit, though, during that time period, didn't you? You and Detective Barnes? Yeah. What were y'all talking about? Nothing in particular. Nothing in particular? Yeah, nothing in particular. All right? Let me go over a couple other areas. You were asked questions about GRC in the debrief as well as in the green injury. Do you recall them asking questions about that? Yeah. And there was no, as far as even with the drug dealing operation going on, there was no big crime boss who told everyone else what to do, was there? No. People, it was really Jerry Johnson and Cedric Bradley who made the money, do you recall that? Right. You would work and make some money, but you weren't a soldier for them, you didn't take orders from them, anything like that. Right. If you wanted to work and sell drugs, make money, you could do that. Right. If you didn't want to work all the time, you weren't required to do that. And nobody worked for nobody. No one worked for anybody. You were all independent. Right. Is that right? In fact, Ramona, for instance, was just, if you wanted to sell drugs out of it, you had to rent the time while you were in there, or how did that work? I mean, I never was sober. I was just. Okay. It was like a little chill spot. It wasn't over the spot like this, like, you know. But the others, if they wanted to, they weren't working for Jerry Johnson or Cedric Bradley necessarily, is what you're saying? No, then nobody worked for nobody. But they could sell drugs out of those locations? They could do what they wanted to do if they hadn't worked for nobody. Okay. It's not like what we see in drug gangs, anything like that, where you're taking orders from people, anything like that. Right. And we know this, Marquise Conaway wasn't ever down there selling drugs. He wasn't doing anything like that, was he? Right. In fact, the only people Marquise Conaway was close with was you and Jerry, is that right? Because you all have known each other back since high school. Right. The other guys in GRC, he wasn't close with, he didn't hang out with anything like that. I want to ask you another area is about this trip down, there's a concert in October of 2020, where you went down there with a big group of people in the entourage, the Marquise Conaway, was at a concert, performed at a concert. Do you recall that? No, not really. Do you recall, Keywon White went with you in a Sprinter van down there? Yeah. Okay. You were the one that invited Keywon for that. No. Do you recall that? Right. Marquise Conaway didn't know Keywon White, did you? No, I told him to go. You told Keywon to go? No, I said I told him he didn't know. Okay, you told him that. When they asked you that in the debrief, you said, Marquise, he didn't know Keywon White. No. You're the one that knew him, and you invited him along on that trip. Right. And when you, you're the entourage on a rapper when he's rapping out on stage, a group of his friends or his entourage may stand behind and sing along and move, that type of thing. Right. And that's what happened on that day, correct? Correct. Okay. Okay. [02:44:49] Speaker ?: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. [02:45:22] Speaker 6: Thank you. Thank you. Thomas with jewelry on and two photos of Kewan White with jewelry on. No objection. [02:46:34] Speaker 4: It depends if it's 88 or 90 or in it for all purposes. [02:46:41] Speaker 6: Now you took Kewan White down there and there was about 13 of you and you went down in a sprinter van, is that right? Right. You allowed Kewan White to borrow some of the jewelry on that trip. Did you call that? Yeah. Okay. Let me show you what's a defense 88. Is that a watch that you own? Yes, sir. Okay. Depends. 90, does that show a ring that you own? Right. And this is a chain that you have? Yes, sir. That's a GRC chain. That's a large one. Is that right? Right. Okay. Okay. The size of the chain or anything like that for GRC, did that signify in any way your rank in GRC or whether you were a boss, anything like that? No. People just had their own money and they borrowed what they liked. Whether they wanted a big chain or a small chain. Right. Okay. A lot of different ones. All right. Again, showing you Defense 91. That's the watch that you owned back at that time. Right. Now I want to show you a few more photos. This is when Kewan White was down there with you in Houston. Defense 92. Is that the watch? That watch belonged to you? Yeah. You let him borrow that, correct? Yeah. And Defense 93, same watch and the ring? Yeah. That ring was yours as well? Yeah. Okay. Kewan, you told during your debrief, wanted to be accepted, you felt. Right. Is that accurate? He wanted to be liked by you and other people. I just didn't say me and other people. I just didn't want to be liked. Be liked? Yeah. And you helped him with some with his rapping. Is that right? Yeah. I mean, like, not helped him like that, but I helped him on the song we did together. Okay. Gave him some tips on how to rap better, that type of thing? Yeah. He also was kind of strange sometimes, wasn't he? No, I wouldn't have had since it was on my bed. Do you remember doing an interview recently and said Kewan White would make things up in his head? [02:49:45] Speaker ?: Yeah. [02:49:50] Speaker 6: Do you remember when you debriefed with the feds, that you told them that Kewan was willing to do anything for acceptance? Do you remember telling him that Kewan had a reputation for committing ag robberies and violent crimes and things of that nature? Yeah, I don't know how to do it. Do you remember telling him he was known to be a shooter and had shot a girlfriend he had? Yeah. And that was in 2020. [02:50:25] Speaker 3: I don't know what year it was in. I just know it happened. I read it had been apples. I ain't got a lot to do it. [02:50:42] Speaker 6: I want to ask you another area. When you were testifying the grand jury, a lot of the questions you were asked were what we call leading questions, right? Mr Adams will make a statement and you would agree or disagree. You remember though at one point when you were talking about beefs and someone doing something for money, killing someone for money, you said it's just how society is now. Like somebody with money beefing with somebody, if they feel like you got money, they'll do it. How things go in the hood at times. Do you remember talking about that? Talking about that, in the hood where there's a lot of people that don't have a lot of money, if they think you do and you have a problem with someone, they may take that person out and expect to get paid later. Right. Without ever having an agreement up front. Right. That's just how things are down there sometimes. Do you remember making those kind of statements? Not really, but you asked me, so I must have said it. Okay. Well, that's true, isn't it? There are people that will do that? Yeah. Mr. Adams asked you about you getting that Instagram call from Kiwan White a few hours before the murder of Melvin Noble, and that came out of the blue. Is that right? Right. And he asked you this strange question of, why didn't you take me with you? No. Does that make any sense to you at all? No. You think that's because you had taken him down to Houston a couple weeks earlier? I don't know why he asked me this, but it just didn't seem like me. I told him I ain't never took you nowhere before me. Right. And you wouldn't expect to fly him out to California, would you? Right. That was a strange statement. Right. Did Kiwan want to act like you were a real close friend of his? I don't know if he wanted to act like he was a real close friend. [02:53:17] Speaker 3: Did he start calling you more? I mean, like I said, he copied me from Michigan a couple times, but like I said, I don't think he thought I would like you that. Did you think Kiwan liked or tried to impress people? I mean, like I said, I really never had an opinion of him that much to where it happened to me, whether he did or what he didn't do. But I really didn't do that, but I didn't do that, but I didn't care about Ali. [02:54:05] Speaker 6: Let's talk a minute about you had told Kiwan White and testified that you thought he should leave town. Remember that? Yeah. And why did you tell him he should leave town? Because he was doing some work. He was what? He was doing some work. What was he doing? Just being doing the most. You didn't tell him to do that because you felt you were involved with any way, or Jerry was involved. You thought he was doing things that could get your friend in trouble. Is that right? [02:54:43] Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you know, I see stuff on the internet, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, you're moving like a idiot, like so you need to move around. I really didn't say get out of town, I said you need to move around, but, you know. [02:55:05] Speaker 6: And we saw a photo of you from the security camera where you're talking to him, and he left that night for Mount Pleasant. You saw that photograph? You had a picture of each other up there? Yeah. Yeah. You were at the Ramona address there when Jerry got back. Do you remember that? When Jerry arrived? What, what, you're talking about that night? Yeah. Yeah. That Kiwan took off? [02:55:32] Speaker 3: Yeah. [02:55:33] Speaker 6: When you were in the house with them, you never saw Jerry give him any money, did you? I told him that I didn't see that. In fact, you told him that when they asked you, the grand jury, and they asked you when they talked to you, that you ever, ever see Kiwan get paid, you said I had no idea. Right. Never saw that. Right. And certainly while you were down there, at that house in Ramona, before he went to Mount Pleasant, you didn't see anything like that, did you? Right. You never heard Jerry talk about giving him money after he left, did you? I see it too, though. Yeah. I just want to make it clear. You never saw that. [02:56:17] Speaker 3: That one running, Jerry. Sure. [02:56:47] Speaker ?: Thank you. [02:57:17] Speaker 6: Mr. Thomas, let me ask you a couple of other things regarding Marquis Conway. He had started rapping when he was about 14, 15. Remember that? Right. Well, I went there when he first ordered it, but I met him then. Okay. So when you met him, he already was rapping? Right. And he seemed to work pretty hard at it? I mean, there wasn't nobody who was working too long when he was young. Okay. Well, he became successful, though. Right. But he stayed in touch with you and Jerry and come down to Seagullwood. Right. And you knew that he was raised by his mother. You knew that, didn't you? You knew his mother, didn't you? [02:58:05] Speaker ?: Yeah. [02:58:06] Speaker 6: He took care of his mother, didn't he? Yeah. He supported her? Yeah. And Marquis would often carry cash, pay for things with cash, with all that? Yeah. Wasn't unusual to see him with large amounts of cash, was it? No, I wasn't unusual. In fact, that's how he usually paid for the cash. Is that right? I don't know how he paid for it every time. But he usually had a lot of cash on him? Right. He liked clothes. He'd wear and buy expensive clothes, wouldn't he? Yeah. When you would go with him on these promotions in other cities, he would have different outfits to wear when he was being filmed and performing, didn't he? Yeah. And those were real expensive clothing, wasn't it? I mean, I can't say that it was expensive or not. He liked to wear nice shoes as well? Yeah. He also liked to gamble, didn't he? I mean, I don't know that he... Do you remember him making videos showing, offering to bet on his friend who was the fighter? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who was that? E.J. Okay. Spence, he was a middleweight champion for a while? Yeah. And he was from the same neighborhood? I don't know where he took them from. But they were friends. Right. And he would offer to bet sometimes $100,000 on the fight. You recall that? [02:59:36] Speaker ?: Nah. [02:59:37] Speaker 6: He'd bet on the Cowboys all the time? Yeah. It wasn't unusual for him. He had a lot of jewelry he'd pay for, for cash, you recall that? Right. And he took care of his mother real well. Right. His mother didn't work, did she? Nah. He paid for everything? [02:59:56] Speaker ?: Right. [02:59:58] Speaker 6: Supported her where she lived, car she drove, food she ate, that type of thing? Yeah. And that's what you do when you become successful, you try to support your mother and loved ones. Right. Right. Right. The Marquis did that. Is that correct? Right. Thank you. Thank you. And Marquis took a lot of cash on that trip, didn't he? I don't know exactly how much money he bought that. Did you see him with a lot of cash? I don't recall. I don't recall. [03:01:28] Speaker ?: All right. [03:01:28] Speaker 6: Mr. Thomas, you've met several times with the DA's office, Mr. Adams and some of the other prosecutors. Do you recall that? Yeah, I met a couple of times. But many times you didn't talk about the story you told. You talked a lot about your background and your relationship with Marquis Conway. Do you recall that? No, I mean, not really. Well, they didn't get really into the details of the car and what you said happened in the car except on one occasion. Do you recall that? Right. Just one time. And you said right before you recanted, you called Mr. Adams and tried to talk to him to come see. Right. And why did you want to do that? To tell him I lied. No. And were you able to do that at that time? No, because there were too many people in there. Okay. But you wanted to do it on that day? Right. But you were able to do it after you told your lawyer that you'd lied and then came to the DA's office and talked to Detective Barnes? Right. Is that right? No, I talked to him up here. Okay. Here up upstairs at the DA's office? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's when you told them that you'd lied because you were just telling the feds what they wanted to hear? Well, I didn't say it like that. Yeah. Okay. Five a minute, Judge. [03:03:17] Speaker 8: Yes. [03:03:25] Speaker ?: Okay. [03:03:55] Speaker 6: I remember telling Detective Barnes while I was going through some federal charges and I felt like I didn't give them what they wanted to hear. I'd be going to jail for something I didn't commit already. So I tried to tell them what they wanted to know so I could get back home to my family. And that was the reason you made this up. [03:04:26] Speaker 3: Right. [03:04:33] Speaker 6: Were you telling the truth today when you told the jury that you lied about getting in the car and hearing this conversation? Yes. I don't know. [03:04:54] Speaker 1: I'll pass the list. Thank you. Stephen. Yes, Your Honor. All right. Now, Mr. Thomas, when I asked you about the trip to Houston in October, you didn't remember it. But when defense asked you, you remembered it. Is that fair? [03:05:08] Speaker 3: No. Like I told him, I didn't necessarily remember everything about the trip. You know, like I told him when I read the paper, I did. Okay. [03:05:16] Speaker 1: Do you recall telling Detective Barnes and the federal prosecutors that you were sad that Jerry ever got involved in this to help Conway because Conway only cares about himself and the various more? Do you recall telling the federal prosecutors as well as Detective Barnes that the song On Your Head, which is a bounty song, was publicized by the record company to publicize attention and get it given to the ongoing feud regarding Yellow Beasy and Melvin Neville and the O'3rd. Do you remember that? [03:06:13] Mr Thomas: I thought I was supposed to talk about it. That one's fine. You tell me not to talk better than you did while ago. [03:06:22] Speaker 4: Mr. Thomas, I don't think he said a question. [03:06:25] Mr Thomas: Do you recall telling that? I recall saying that I... [03:06:28] Speaker 1: Okay. We've got to be very limited. So if I'm asking you about it, that means it's okay. All right? Unless he gets an objection. Is that fair? All right. [03:06:38] Speaker ?: Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. [03:06:42] Speaker 1: When you met with Detective Barnes and the federal prosecutors and you went down to Houston, do you recall telling them that you'd began receiving death threats? [03:06:55] Speaker ?: Do you recall that? [03:06:56] Speaker 1: When I went to Houston? Mm-hmm. Over social media because of your affiliation with Conway? No. Do you recall why you took Keywon with you? Oh, yeah. [03:07:08] Mr Thomas: I do. I recall that, yeah. All right. [03:07:11] Speaker 3: Can you tell the jury about that? Because people started feeling like somebody after me because of all the rapping he was doing. [03:07:17] Mr Thomas: When you said all the rapping he was doing, you were talking about Conway? No. I was talking about all three. Okay. So there was a few going on. I can't say it was a few between them, but you know, I wasn't paying attention to what [03:07:29] Speaker 3: everybody else was listening to. So, like I said, it was something that was told to me. [03:07:33] Speaker 1: And do you recall telling us in an interview that the reason you took Keywon was because Jerry had told you to take him? Yeah. For protection, he's a shooter. No, just to take him. Okay. And to be fair, Jerry was trying to help Keywon out the most. Is that fair? I guess so. He called Keywon a little bro. [03:07:58] Mr Thomas: All right. That's just a figure of speech. But that's what he called Keywon. That's just a figure of speech. Did Jerry call you that? [03:08:06] Speaker 1: I'm over you. Okay. Did you recall telling Detective Barnes and the federal prosecutors that Devin Brown had distanced himself from Jocelyn for a long period before the murder due to the fact that she'd been stealing money from her? Yeah. Or she'd been stealing money from him? Yeah. [03:08:26] Speaker ?: Excuse me. [03:08:27] Speaker 1: Do you recall telling Detective Barnes and the feds that Devin Brown was a low level drug dealer? Yeah. They knew that I already know. I didn't have to tell them that. [03:08:47] Speaker 3: And these are all true things, right? They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. [03:08:56] Speaker ?: They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. [03:09:02] Speaker 1: They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. [03:09:05] Speaker ?: They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed though. [03:09:07] Speaker 1: They have to stay faxed though. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. 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[03:09:58] Speaker 1: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:10:20] Speaker 3: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:10:41] Speaker ?: They have to stay faxed. [03:10:42] Speaker 3: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:10:47] Speaker ?: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:10:58] Speaker 1: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:11:14] Speaker ?: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:11:16] Speaker 1: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:11:40] Speaker ?: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:11:43] Speaker 1: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:11:48] Speaker ?: They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. They have to stay faxed. [03:12:08] Speaker 1: Did you recall Detective Barnes and the federal prosecutors that Jerry said that quote this is no time to be cheap with Kiwan and to quote keep him straight because the money that he had been given has been taken up? Do you recall that? No. Do you recall telling Detective Barnes and the federal prosecutors that. Jerry had become responsible for putting money on Kiwan's books, bonds and tankers, mortgage fees because Conway stopped doing it and leaving Johnson with all of the financial responsibility for Kiwan. Do you recall that? Yeah. Was that a lie? Yeah, because I had no possible way of knowing it. [03:12:57] Speaker 3: Where did you come up with that? I told them whatever they wanted to hear. Am I proud of it? No. That's what it was. [03:13:07] Mr Thomas: That's how it was at the time. [03:13:09] Speaker 1: Do you recall telling the feds that Conway was involved in an internet dispute with the comedian Roy Lee Page over the fact that Roy Lee had mocked Conway for actually not being from Dallas? They already knew it. That wasn't why? [03:13:23] Speaker ?: They already knew it though. I didn't have to tell them. [03:13:25] Speaker 3: That was something they showed me. Thank you. [03:13:27] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. [03:13:27] Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [03:13:32] Speaker ?: Thank you. [03:14:00] Speaker 1: Now, when you decided to come forward as far as what was truthful and what was not, you'd agree with me that if you really wanted to lie, right, if you really wanted to sell this story, you could have said that you saw Kiwan with the money, right? Right. Right. And you've never once said, I saw Kiwan get the money from Jerry. Right. If you really wanted to get out of jail and you knew that what they, because what defense is saying is that you knew all along that all they cared about allegedly was that this case right here, right? Right. That's what you're saying today. Right. And you sat in custody of the U.S. Marshals with B.O.P. for 18 months. I wanted a B.O.P. You were in Livestone County. I understand that. Right. But you sat in custody all that time of a man who doesn't have very many or any convictions on his record, right? Right. And you waited until September 24th or September of 2024 to come forward. Is that correct? Right. I have one moment, Your Honor? [03:15:31] Speaker 4: Yes. [03:15:32] Speaker ?: I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:16:02] Speaker 1: I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:16:52] Speaker ?: I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:00] Speaker 1: I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:12] Speaker ?: I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:13] Speaker 1: I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:28] Speaker ?: I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:31] Speaker 3: I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:33] Speaker ?: I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:34] Speaker 3: I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:36] Speaker ?: I have one moment, Your Honor. I have one moment, Your Honor. [03:17:46] Speaker 1: Mr. Thomas, just regarding Detective Barnes and defenses made this big deal out of y'all two talking. Since you've been out of federal custody and out of en balling on your state cases, fair to say you've reached out to them a lot. What? If you were concerned about your safety, is that fair? No. No? I wouldn't say my safety. When information got released about you in your federal paperwork, did you reach out to them? Yeah. Were you concerned about your safety? Of course. Okay, so you did reach out to them because you were concerned about your safety when defense put some of your information in their motions. Right. And that was before you came to testify on this quarter? You were concerned about the safety of your family and your little ones, right? Right. This has not been an easy experience for you the last year and a half that you've been out on ball for this habit. You've lost just about everything and everybody who you thought were your real friends before this. Is that fair? Right. [03:19:13] Speaker 6: I have nothing but your honor. All right. Thanks. Just a few more questions. You told some lies, some untruths in these interviews you did. Is that right? Right. Okay. And you were paid to do the interviews? Right. That's kind of what happens, the internet, since this trial's going on and coming up. It's like you say, clickbait. Yeah. People make money off of it, don't they? Right. All right. And Mr. Adams said you waded into 9/24 knowing what the feds wanted. 9/24, 2024 became the feds. That's true because you'd learned that they were threatening you with RICO and Vicar. Life sentence, right? Right. And that was a real threat in your mind, wasn't it? [03:20:07] Speaker ?: Right. [03:20:08] Speaker 6: And your only way out was to give them this story. [03:20:11] Speaker 3: Well, like I told you earlier, I think I also heard when you said, I think y'all took it out of context of what I said. That wasn't all my debriefing was about. My debriefing was about to let you know I wasn't involved. [03:20:24] Speaker 6: Right. But you also wanted to tell them that story because that, once you did that, 72 hours later they were telling you, hey, why don't you apply to the STEPS program? Nah, it didn't happen like that. But it was 72 hours when you got the news that you could apply to the STEPS program, wasn't it? It was 72 hours later. How much? It wasn't 72 hours later. How much later was it? It was like a week and a half later. Okay. Week and a half later. That's what you found out. Right. And because of what you said and did, you achieved your purpose. You got out of custody, didn't you? I guess so. And you got your case dismissed, didn't you? It wasn't because of that, though. But you got your case dismissed, didn't you? Yeah, my case got dismissed, yeah. Okay. Mr. Adams asked you about a statement you had told Detective Barnes that Jerry Johnson had said, "Now, we've got to support Keywon White. He had to put money on his books because Marquise Conway was no longer putting money on his books." Can you explain to the jury what putting money on books is? [03:21:36] Speaker 3: Like you're basically putting money on the phone and sending more people to come and say, "What are you asking?" I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. [03:21:46] Speaker 6: Well, he asked you if Jerry Johnson had actually said that, that Marquise Conway had quit putting money on his books and you said, "I have no way of knowing that." Right. That that wasn't true. You would have no way of knowing that. Right, I wouldn't have no way of knowing it. And certainly, if the authorities, with all the investigators they have, would be able to find out if Marquise Conway was indeed putting money on Marquise Conway's book, I mean, Ewan White's books, wouldn't he? Does that mean? I said, with all the investigators they have and the money they have, if Marquise Conway was putting money, paying for his phone, paying for his commissary, they'd be able to find that out, don't you think? I guess so. In one of your interviews with the DA's office, they asked you if you thought Devin Brown could pay $40,000 and you said you didn't know. Right. Because you didn't know, did you? Right. Did you know that Mo Three had actually put his chains on Devin Brown's children and put it out on social media? Not just recently. Okay. That certainly would be something that would upset a man if he saw a rapper putting his chains on him and putting it out on social media, wouldn't it? Your Honor, I'm going to object to speculation. Just then. Just then. Okay, let me ask you one thing I forgot to go into you with. Once you got out and your relationship broke up for a while in the summer of 2025, do you remember coming over to that lady's house in the early morning hours on her birthday? What did that have to do with this case? Well, because you got in a little tussle with the guy you knew from high school named Osifo. I didn't tussle a lot of people. Well, you know who Osifo is, right? Right. And y'all got in a little tussle and he asked you, why are you doing this? Remember that? No. Do you remember telling him? Your Honor, I'm an object to have relevance. [03:24:11] Speaker 4: What is relevance? [03:24:16] Speaker 6: Well, when I was about to ask him what he told him, make it very relevant, Judge. I haven't got to be able to make a mistake about why he was doing this. [03:24:28] Speaker 4: Why he got into a tussle with them? Yes. Yes. Go ahead. [03:24:33] Speaker 6: Okay. You said, I only said that stuff about Nella because she was going to leave me. Remember telling him that? Never told him that. Never told him that. Never told him that. Never told him that. [03:24:44] Speaker ?: All right. That's all the questions we have. All right. [03:24:48] Speaker 6: State? That was rather your Honor. [03:24:50] Speaker ?: May the service be released? [03:24:51] Speaker 6: Yeah, no objection. In fact. [03:24:53] Speaker 4: Subject to recall, Judge. All right. [03:24:55] Speaker ?: Mr. Thomas? [03:24:56] Speaker 6: Yes. No, no objection. [03:24:58] Speaker ?: In fact. Subject to recall, Judge. [03:25:00] Speaker 4: All right. Mr. Thomas? Yes. You are free to step down for now. But stay in. You and your attorney stay in touch with the defense in case you need to testify. Okay? All right. Thank you. [03:25:13] Speaker ?: Good. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. his previous right hand. Yes, of course. Thank you, Your Honor. Mr. Chairman, this is a bedtime break for this day. Let's start back up at 9 a.m. tomorrow. Remember, you're still under my instructions, and I've heard all the evidence here. I'm not going to speak any of you. Thank you. [03:25:51] Speaker 8: Okay, all right. Well, Valerie, let me start by resetting the table. I'm Tanya Eisner. I'm an investigative reporter here at Channel 8. We've got Valerie Bastin, a local defense attorney, who has joined us today. It's always a long day when we do these, but always very interesting. Okay, well, we finally got Theodore Thomas and Jose Bodega, a.k.a. Jose Bodega, this afternoon, and this did not go the way that they expected, right? [03:26:50] Speaker 9: It didn't appear that way to me, Tanya. [03:26:52] Speaker 8: All right, Zeke, you got something? I'm just going to grab this real quick. Oh, okay. Oh, there he goes. Okay. Yeah, see, Zeke doesn't really like being in the shot. Okay. No, I didn't fall asleep, folks. I'm reading your comments. I did not fall asleep. No, we stayed away. No, it wasn't. [03:27:06] Speaker 9: Because this was the part we were waiting for. [03:27:08] Speaker 8: No, this was the most interesting testimony that we heard all day, and frankly, the entire trial. So, to recap, you know, Jose Bodega, Theodore Thomas, he had taken the fifth last week, and they, over the weekend, they hammered out some kind of immunity deal to allow him to testify, and when he got on the stand right after lunch, it was very clear, very fast. Very fast. That he was not going to go along. No. And then suddenly he had, he said he lied about everything, and, you know, they were pulling teeth. [03:27:50] Speaker 9: The state had to treat him as a hostile witness, and he still wasn't really forthcoming with anything. But watching it, his cross-examination that was done by attorney Toby Shook, it was like day and night. He was just answering everything Toby said, asked him, right, right, right. Suddenly he found his words. Yes, suddenly he found his words. He remembered things. [03:28:26] Speaker 8: His memory got really better. [03:28:27] Speaker 9: Yes, yes. But it wasn't in favor of the state. No. It was all, you know, very beneficial for Yellow, excuse me, Yellow Beesies defense. [03:28:41] Speaker 8: Well, and I thought what was really interesting was, you know, this timeline that he is facing 25 years. He's been an administrative seg for months, and he's getting word that he's facing a potential RICO case, and that's going to carry a life sentence. [03:28:59] Speaker 9: So does he have motivation to tell the DA what they want to hear? Perhaps. Perhaps he did have motivation to not be truthful in what he was telling the state, what he was telling the government. Now, Tanya and I did look up over the break about his dismissal from that STEPS program, which is sentencing. Let me. [03:29:27] Speaker 8: Oh, I had it pulled up. [03:29:28] Speaker 9: I had it right here. Hold on. Let me. Sentencing to equip people for success. And it's just a dismissal. It's not a dismissal with prejudice. [03:29:40] Speaker 8: So they could theoretically come back and file on him. [03:29:43] Speaker 9: They could come back on him because he did not do what he contracted to do, which was to be truthful in any testimony. [03:29:53] Speaker 8: Right. You see that happening potentially? [03:29:56] Speaker 9: It's possible it could happen. I mean, here he was looking at 25 years to maybe even a life sentence, and he got a dismissal on all that. I mean, I know very few people that get dismissals from the feds. Right. [03:30:11] Speaker 8: Yeah, I was kind of shocked because I had never heard of that program. I hadn't either. I was like, what is this program? [03:30:17] Speaker 9: Okay, so this must be some kind of deferred adjudication. I mean, deferred prosecution program for the feds. I didn't know they had it. [03:30:24] Speaker 8: Maybe they. I had never heard of it. But, you know, basically 72 hours after, this is what Toby pointed out, that 72 hours after he had, you know, given his interview with the feds and apparently detailed a whole bunch of different stuff, he gets accepted into this program. Right. [03:30:43] Speaker 9: Right. [03:30:43] Speaker 8: Is that a coincidence? [03:30:46] Speaker 9: Now, Tanya, some things I found interesting. In his cross-examination with Attorney Shook was the fact that he, you know, the trap house that they were talking about, Jerry's trap house, Yellow Beasy wasn't affiliated with that. Right. And the question that Toby was asking him about the cell phones. Right. And if his cell phone, if Yellow Beasy's cell phone was pinging out in, where, Collin County? So that's leading me to believe that the defense must have some cell phone records and a cell phone experts that they may be introducing here to testify that the things that Kiwan was, excuse me, not Kiwan, that Jose Bodega was talking about, what he told the feds, what he told the DA's office, it's not true. [03:31:47] Speaker 8: Right. [03:31:48] Speaker 9: And the cell phone would back that up. [03:31:51] Speaker 8: It's all very interesting and fascinating. And this clearly, clearly did not go the way that prosecutors anticipated. It seems like they thought they had cut this deal, this immunity deal, and they were going to get him in there. It wasn't to say that they weren't still going to have problems on cross-examination, but they were thinking that they had something hammered out. It seems like, I mean, I've not talked to them, but it seems like they thought that they had something hammered out. [03:32:23] Speaker 9: And then they didn't. And then they didn't. [03:32:25] Speaker 8: And that's a real problem for them. Because right now, we have now completed five days of a trial, so far, I have not seen, I just have, you know, are you seeing it so far, five days in? [03:32:48] Speaker 9: No, I'm not. And I'm not on anybody's side on this, but just, you know, a legal observer, but I'm not seeing it. I don't know who else the state's going to call. Maybe those individuals will help tie up some loose ends. But, you know, what I was sitting here wondering about, and some of the viewers, about perjury charges being filed against Jose Bodega. And, you know, just regular perjury is a misdemeanor. But there is aggravated perjury, which is a third-degree felony. And maybe what he has done here today rises to the level of aggravated perjury. [03:33:34] Speaker 8: Could be. Of course, I think he's got bigger problems than aggravated perjury. Oh, he has a lot. A lot of potential bigger problems. [03:33:41] Speaker 9: If the feds go back on that deal. [03:33:43] Speaker 8: Right. [03:33:44] Speaker ?: Yeah. [03:33:45] Speaker 8: But, yeah, he's got some issues on his hands. And someone's asking me, how do you think, and I'll ask you this, Valerie, how do you think the state turns this around? [03:33:55] Speaker 9: It's going to be hard. That's why I said I don't know who else. You know, we were talking about this, Tonya, about Detective Barnes' testimony. But all he can do is just show the evidence that he gathered. He's not a fact witness, really. I mean, he can't say, yes, I saw this and I saw that. I looked at the cameras and we saw this. [03:34:19] Speaker 8: I mean, because ideally what you want him to do is come in and essentially back up what we got in this testimony today if we had gotten the testimony that the state had anticipated and that clearly just didn't happen. So I don't know. You know, normally when you're five days in on a trial, you have a pretty solid sense of where things are headed and you have a feeling of, okay, they're getting there, and we just really haven't seen that yet. So I don't know. I find it, again, we could have a surprise witness. But I also think that if they'd have had that, we would have saw it in Kewan White, right? If they had something, they would still have to turn it over to the defense. [03:35:05] Speaker 9: Yeah, they would have. But I don't know necessarily with that one because they had Kewan on so many other things. [03:35:12] Speaker 8: Yeah, they had Kewan dead to rights for sure. So, okay, well, folks, we are going to wrap it up for today. Is there anything else you want to add, Valerie? [03:35:20] Speaker 9: No, that's it. Just have a great week. Go vote. Go vote if you haven't done it. Voting is tomorrow. Election day is tomorrow. [03:35:30] Speaker 8: So tomorrow we will stream the trial. We won't have it anchored like we have been having it just because everybody is pretty much involved in election coverage around here. We will be back on Wednesday with myself and a legal expert. And we really want to thank you guys for joining us. And we'll wait and see what happens tomorrow.