Prof. Jiang: Iran Has Trump TRAPPED! Full Interview — Redacted w Clayton Morris

[0:00] All right. We're lucky enough to be joined by Professor Zhang. He's the author of Predictive [0:04] History on Substack. Of course, he went viral for accurately predicting that President Trump would [0:09] take us to this war in Iran. And he's been right all along. So we want to invite the professor on [0:16] now, given the president's most recent remarks about an open-ended ceasefire and that Iran is [0:22] basically on the ropes. And he is actively trying to find an off-ramp to end this war. But of course, [0:28] he's being pressured significantly by the Israelis and Mossad to continue this war. So we want to [0:34] invite the professor on to talk about the war, economic depression, and everything else. Professor, [0:39] welcome back to the show. Thanks, Clayton. Pleasure to have you here. So you heard the president [0:45] yesterday release this statement about really like an open-ended ceasefire with Iran. And it seems like [0:53] the president, among reports from Washington, is actively trying to end this war, trying to find [0:58] an off-ramp to get out of this. You predicted him getting into it. How do you predict he will try [1:05] to get out of this? Right. So I think Trump is very frustrated with this war. He was expecting a [1:13] quick strike, like what happened in Venezuela, where Donald Forrest went in and kidnapped Maduro. It was [1:19] a tremendous victory for America. So on the first day, the Israelis and Americans attacked Tehran and [1:26] killed the Alatollah. And he expected that the Iranians would capitulate right after that. But [1:32] the ferocity and the resolve of Iranians have taken Trump back. He didn't expect that the Iranians [1:39] would close off their share of Hormuz, thus threatening the global economy. He didn't expect [1:43] that the Iranians would attack the GCC energy infrastructure. And so this has been very humiliating [1:49] for Trump. And from his perspective, he does not like to fight long wars of attrition. It's very [1:55] popular back at home. And he doesn't really know how to spin this. So as you say, he would like very much [2:01] an off ramp. And he really believed that these negotiations in Islamabad would be as off ramp. [2:08] Unfortunately, the Iranians see through Trump's antics. They refuse to send a delegation to meet [2:14] with Trump's team in Islamabad. So we are stuck in a situation where Trump wants an off ramp. The [2:21] Iranians refuse to negotiate. And quite honestly, I do not know how Trump developed his off ramp. [2:28] Because right now, the Iranians are holding the global economy under siege. The Iranians still [2:35] control the share of Hormuz, even though Trump has imposed a naval blockade. That naval blockade [2:42] is very porous. It's very leaky. There's reporting today that over 30 Iranian tankers have been able [2:47] to break the blockade and sell their oil overseas. The Iranians now are threatening to cut overseas [2:54] cables, which would destroy the Internet of Dubai and basically destroy Dubai as an economy, [2:59] because they rely so much on the Internet connection with the rest of the world. They [3:04] will no longer be able to do any international banking. And it's just not Dubai. The Iranians [3:09] are also threatening all the other GCC economies, threatening to close off the Red Sea for the proxies, [3:19] the Houthis, and threatening to destroy pipelines and basically take one-third of the world's energy [3:25] offline. So this is a very dire situation for the GCC. And as such, Saudi Arabia and UAE have put a lot [3:35] of pressure on the Trump White House, primarily through Kushner, to seek a resolution as soon as [3:41] possible. And there are only two off-ramps. The first off-ramp is for Trump to pay reparations [3:48] to Iran, maybe about a trillion dollars, and then to give sovereignty to the Iranians over the [3:54] ship who moves and remove U.S. bases from the Middle East. The second solution is setting ground [4:01] forces and escalate the situation and hope that ground forces will be able to topple the regime [4:08] and instill a much more friendly regime to the United States. So those are the two major solutions. [4:16] Unfortunately, it seems as though there is no real off-ramp or quick exit for Trump. This war [4:23] is going to drag on possibly for months, possibly even for years. What I think Trump's going to do [4:29] is that he's going to pretend this war doesn't exist anymore, because that's what Trump does. [4:35] And he might switch attention to Cuba. So as you know, right now, there's this massive embargo on [4:41] Cuba. They have blackouts everywhere. And they have to ration both food and fuel. And the Pentagon [4:49] has run out plans to actually invade Cuba at some point. It's possible that Trump threatens Canada. [4:56] He's been having this fight with Carney for the longest time over a new NAFTA. It's possible he sends in [5:02] special forces to attack the cartels in Mexico. But what we know from Trump is that he does not [5:07] like long wars, but at the same time, he does not like to lose face. So it's possible that Trump being [5:13] Trump, he just distracts us with a new war somewhere else. Well, right. I want to ask about [5:18] the lived experience. That's exactly what I was just thinking. You know, a lot of people, [5:22] even in our audience of geopolitical enthusiasts, are starting to just get tired and bored of this back [5:28] and forth. We're at war. We're going to destroy them completely. Nevermind. We're on a sea fire. [5:32] Now we're going to kill them. We're going to beat the shit out. And now it's okay. [5:35] And how can we possibly stay engaged with this? But this may be a tactic to keep us weary while the [5:43] war drags on. And I'm wondering, because I lived through the 20 years of the war in Afghanistan, [5:48] eight years of the Gulf War, that maybe this is how it was done. Maybe I was just too young to know [5:55] that it just keeps going. And then we're like, well, it might end at one point. Is this a part of [5:59] it? I think so. I think that we will be slowly desensitized, normalized into another forever war [6:08] in Iran. So what we're looking at right now is not actually a ceasefire. We're actually looking at [6:15] round two or recalibration of American strategy. So in round one, remember, the Americans focused on [6:21] shock and awe, basically trying to decapitate the regime through strategic strikes. [6:27] And they did kill a lot of leaders, but the government is still resilient. It's still standing. [6:34] So that has failed. And round two is basically trying to impose a blockade on the Iranian economy, [6:41] basically trying to stagnate the economy. So we're not actually seeing a ceasefire. If there's a ceasefire, [6:46] you would not blockade the historical moves, because that's an act of war. What we're seeing [6:52] is recalibration. And basically, I think they will continue this for as long as it takes to [7:00] topple the government in Tehran. But what's going to happen, as you point out, is that eventually we'll [7:06] get sick of all this drama and switch our attention elsewhere. And this is what happens, [7:12] right? Because then at home, we've got jobs to take care of. We've got kids to take care of. [7:19] And this is part of the strategy. If it's not on the front page every day, like in Gaza, [7:25] they can continue the war in Gaza. And now the focus is on something else. So they can distract us. [7:30] So what will the pieces of this forever war look like? I think the last time you were on our show, [7:35] you, I believe you said, you believe that this is becoming Trump's Vietnam. And so what are the [7:42] what are the pieces of this look like in terms of five years, six years? Are we talking about [7:47] permanent naval presence in the Strait of Hormuz, a permanent blockade? Will we actually see boots [7:53] on the ground? It doesn't seem Trump wants to do that. But what, you know, bases in the region [7:57] that are being built up? I guess, what is your prediction on that? [8:01] Right. So I think moving forward, the long term American strategy is a three pillar strategy. [8:07] The first pillar will be to use ground forces in order to economically strangle Iran. And the way [8:15] you do that is by controlling the Strait of Hormuz, right? So you don't control the Strait of Hormuz to [8:19] allow for free maritime navigation as before. But what you want to do is destroy Iran's capacity to [8:25] export oil. That might mean seizing Karg Island. But you also want to destroy Iran's capacity to [8:33] exact tolls on any ships that want to bypass the Strait of Hormuz. And so you basically want to cut [8:39] off all financing for Iran. And you do that by having limited ground operations near the Strait of [8:44] Hormuz, primarily Karg Island and Kasim Island, possibly even the Iranian coastline, okay? And you do [8:51] that. And basically what you're doing is you're trying to besiege Iran and you're trying to minimize [8:56] troop casualties. Okay? So that's the first pillar. And the second thing you do is that you set up [9:06] forward operating bases in safe places in Iran, meaning ethnic enclaves, right? So it's possible you [9:13] set up forward operating bases in the southeast of Iran, by the Pakistani border, where the bollocks [9:23] are. This is an ethnic group in Iran. You also can set up a forward operating base in the northwest of [9:30] Iran, where the Kurds are. And what you're trying to do, basically, is you're trying to stir up ethnic [9:34] tensions in Iran, and you're trying to create an ethnic civil war in the country, okay? That's step two. [9:40] And step three is you try to suffocate Tehran. So Tehran is a city of 10 million people. It relies on [9:48] railways, transportation for its food. So what you do is you attack the infrastructure of Tehran [9:56] to basically starve out the population. You attack the reservoirs to deny them water. You destroy power [10:01] plants to deny them electricity, okay? What you're trying to do in this process is you're trying to [10:07] work slowly so you do not create backlash back at home, because these are essentially war crimes. [10:13] And what you're trying to do is slowly apply pressure on the Iranians so that the population [10:18] gets restive, gets very angry, and they're forced to reach a local settlement with the Americans. [10:25] That's terrifying. I mean, it's terrifying to think that this is how this plays out, but you can see it [10:30] clearly. Do you see any similarities here in the pieces that you just laid out, from the ground forces, [10:35] the strangulation, the ethnic enclave piece of this, to what we did in Afghanistan or Iraq? [10:42] Yeah. I mean, this sort of solution, it's meant not to commit to regime change. It's really meant [10:49] to destroy the country as a viable nation state. So I think the end goal is to break Iran into ethnic [10:56] enclaves, the Balkanization of Iran, essentially, and have them fight over scarce resources, especially [11:01] water. And so they need to create conditions for that. But this is obviously a war crime. This is [11:06] obviously an act of genocide. And so they need to move slowly towards that. And it might take them [11:12] five years in order to reach that goal. Wow. [11:14] And so can you talk a little bit about how this is going to play out and be spun to us as not really a [11:22] war? These are just economic consequences of other more complicated things. You don't understand it. [11:29] Run along. But in the meantime, we will have shortages, food shortages and things like that. [11:35] Right. So what will happen is that this war will be drawn out, right? So the Americans will behave much [11:41] more strategically, much more methodically, much more—in a much more calculated manner in order to reduce [11:48] troop casualties, because that's what would make this war very unpopular at home, right, if troops [11:55] started to come back in coffins. So only 13 troops have died so far, but if the count reaches 100, [12:00] we can see massive protests against this war back at home, okay? So that's the first step, [12:06] like to take a more slow, patient-centric approach to this war. Second thing is to continue to distract [12:12] American people with more conflicts, possibly with capitalist Mark Carney. It's possible Donald [12:19] Trump will encourage separation of Alberta. It's possible that Trump and Carney will get into [12:27] a screening match at some point. Cuba is definitely on the menu, so Trump will want to take over Cuba at [12:36] some point. So you're distracting the population. The third piece, and this is the most important, [12:41] is that as the economy suffers—and you point this out—but as the global economy suffers, [12:46] as people are not able to book vacations to Europe anymore, as they're not able to buy whatever they [12:55] want whenever they want, people will slowly get bored of this war and focus more on domestic issues, [13:02] like the economy. I just—I want to—we're going to take a break and talk more about the economy, but [13:08] I guess since I didn't have a family during the Afghanistan war, I didn't during the Gulf War II, [13:14] I just wonder, like, how did we let this just drag on? How is this—I just don't remember, [13:20] you know, like, how did my parents just run a family while this atrocity was happening? And so, [13:26] yeah, do you have a comment on that? How did we just let that go for so long? And now we seem so [13:31] hyper-focused on not letting that happen. [13:33] Right. So, Afghanistan happened right after 9-11, when people rallied around the flag. So, [13:38] there was a lot of popular support for an American invasion of Afghanistan in order to topple the [13:44] Taliban. That's point one. Point two is that—remember, the Americans actually attacked the Taliban [13:50] through proxies, through something called the Northern Alliance, which was just a bunch of warlords [13:55] in rebellion against the Taliban. So, it was a very quick war, and it was not very costly for [14:02] the Americans. But what happened was that the Americans stayed for 20 years in order to try to [14:07] rebuild the nation. So, the war itself was actually fast and quick and decisive, [14:12] but then Americans commit themselves to nation-building, which took the longest time. [14:17] The nation-building was just a pretext for blatant corruption, right? So, that's point two. And [14:23] point three was that there was not much of an American commitment. It was an international effort. [14:30] And so, people felt that this was a legitimate process. [14:37] I mean, I interviewed a gentleman who was there in Afghanistan, and he was literally working with [14:43] the CIA. He was responsible for taking the giant pallets of money off of the incoming aircraft. [14:50] And he was basically told not to ask questions, but he would have to then, on a constant basis, [14:55] be bringing these giant pallets of cash, which were then being, of course, distributed out to these [15:00] warlords and payoffs and everything else. Just a massive money-laundering operation in Afghanistan. [15:06] So, we know if there's one thing they love to make money, that's why the Ukraine war continues on. [15:11] And to your point, this could continue on as a forever war. [15:15] Professor, stay right there. We want to take a quick break. We want to come back and dive deeply [15:18] into the economy. I know your predictions about how we are heading towards a global recession. [15:23] I don't think these warnings are being heeded by individuals. People just kind of going about [15:27] their lives and not even preparing, making sure that they have food and supply for their families. 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I mean, she's of course, you know, [17:59] in control of largest banks and the, you know, European banking structure. Remember, she's famous [18:06] for telling us that, you know, she wanted us to move away from cash. Of course, in my mind, [18:10] this is all about control. But here is Christine Lagarde talking specifically about food rationing [18:16] and what is coming. Listen. A third of the fertilizers is shipped through the Strait of Hormuz. [18:31] Now, that is also at risk. And it matters particularly in the Southern Hemisphere [18:37] where the planting and therefore the fertilizers is badly needed now. I'm not saying that just out of [18:44] interest for agriculture. Don't forget I was Minister of Agriculture in France for a month and a half. [18:49] But because it matters to me as a central banker now. Because if the price of food increases [19:00] significantly, it is not going to just be the price of food. It is going to be inflation expectations. [19:06] Because we know that people are particularly attentive to two things. The price of food, [19:11] processed and unprocessed, and the price of gas at the petrol station. So here are three indirect [19:18] consequences of what's happening in the energy world. So if the disruption persists long enough, [19:25] the adjustment shifts from prices, which we are putting up with now, to possibly rationing, [19:32] with very different economic consequences. Higher prices are primarily inflationary. Shortages hit [19:41] output directly and are worse for growth. Overall, there have been so far limited signs of supply chain [19:52] disruption, both globally and in the euro area. But local tensions are visible. Jet fuel prices have [20:01] roughly doubled since the outbreak of the conflict. And rationing has been imposed at some individual [20:08] airports in Europe since early April. And I'm not talking about what's happening in the rest of the [20:15] world. I'm just back from the IMF and the World Bank Spring Meetings, like many of you, [20:20] and you might have bumped into colleagues from Asia, in particular, some of the low-income countries [20:26] or emerging market economies that are taking a much more severe hit than us and are moving into [20:32] rationing. Yeah. So Asia moving into food rationing and fuel rationing. Lufthansa yesterday announcing the [20:41] cancellation of hundreds of flights because they don't have the fuel for it. And then the fertilizer moving [20:48] through the Strait of Hormuz, like, are people taking this seriously? And you hear just in her voice, [20:54] I mean, as a central banker, she doesn't want to scare people, but she's kind of, you can hear it there, [21:00] that they're all the signals. She's basically pointing out all of the signals. We're back with [21:04] Professor Jiang to talk about the global impact of this war in Iran. Professor, what do you make of [21:11] Christine Lagarde's message there? And do you see a much bigger problem emerging? [21:15] Yeah, I think she is forewarning a major catastrophe approaching the global economy [21:22] that's going to come very soon. So she points out one-third of the world's fertilizer passes [21:27] through the Strait of Hormuz. And most people don't appreciate this, but fertilizer is what feeds the [21:33] world. So with fertilizer, the globe, the earth, could sustain one or two billion people, [21:41] two billion people, if you're optimistic. So basically, we're able to have eight billion people [21:46] on this planet because of fertilizer. Now, if you take out fertilizer out of the equation, [21:52] this means that a lot of people are going to starve. There's just no way around it. [21:58] So this brings up a much bigger point, which is people don't appreciate the fragility [22:04] of the global economy. We use something called a just-in-time supply chain system. So there's very [22:12] little inventory. There's very little resilience. The system doesn't know how to cope with setbacks, [22:18] with delays. It's designed to be as quick and as efficient as possible in order to maximize benefit [22:25] for the consumer. So this system was not designed to be resilient. It was designed to be efficient. [22:31] And this is going to cause a lot of problems for the world. Another point that I will make is that [22:37] these policymakers know that this catastrophe is coming. And the thing about policymakers is that [22:46] they don't let a crisis ever go to waste. And policymakers are first and foremost concerned about [22:53] how to create more control over people, how to create an AI surveillance state. And if you're talking [22:58] about rationing, well, what comes naturally with rationing is basically digital currency and digital [23:06] ID, right? Because think of communism. Think of Marxism. Think of a command economy where, because there's [23:14] so little food, because there's food scarcity, there's food scarcity. Well, we have to ration this, [23:19] so we have to basically give you coupons. And we do that digitally through digital currency. And so think of [23:25] more control. Think of more financial repression. Think of possibly economic collapse. [23:32] So, you know, I'm trying to extrapolate what this will be, the lived experience for us, because [23:40] the Wall Street Journal recently reported that the Pentagon was approaching American companies like [23:44] Ford and General Motors to shift factory capacity towards weapon making. You know, they can ask them [23:50] nicely, but they also can use the Defense Production Act to require companies to prioritize and accept [23:57] government contracts. And Secretary of War Pete Hexeth had said this is to put us on a wartime footing. [24:05] So that doesn't mean live your lives. We're going to go to war. You know, it's all good. It's you will [24:11] live in a wartime footing. And so what was the lived experience during World War Two for Americans is [24:18] Rosie the Riveter, the woman goes to work, and food shortages and food rations. And it was not [24:24] optional. So there is precedence for this. It's not hysterical to think that we are being pushed [24:29] towards this, right? Yeah, no, I think history might repeat itself. So what led to World War Two was, [24:36] first of all, 1929, stock market crash, where, you know, billions of savings were wiped out. We might see [24:42] a similar situation where the stock market collapses. And possibly there is a cyber attack, [24:47] a cyber false flag attack on the nation's financial data centers. So all that money you have in the [24:54] bank might be wiped out. And you can blame the Iranians for that, even though it may not be the [24:58] Iranians. This will lead to a depression in America, where people become desperate for jobs, [25:04] where people become desperate for food. The American government can now step in and create a command [25:09] economy, just like what they did in the 1930s, right? Roosevelt's New Deal. And then the [25:16] economy switches to a wartime economy, where you are making drones, weapons and munitions for all [25:23] these wars overseas that America has to fight in order to ensure it has control over the world's oceans [25:30] and resources. I mean, everything you're talking about is already coming to fruition, right? I mean, [25:35] a $1.5 trillion wartime budget at the Pentagon under President Trump, the move towards digital [25:42] currency, the house resolution that's now coming forward, we've covered it here on the show, [25:46] about this new digital ID that would be required to sign into the internet. Basically, as an age [25:53] verification, they tell us it's about safety, but it's all about control. This is the control grid [25:59] that's coming right before our eyes. And we're just like walking blindly right into it right now in [26:04] the United States. Right. So there are two major pieces to this AI control grid, right? The first is you [26:11] you would need an enforcement mechanism, and this would be ICE. Do you really need soldiers with [26:16] machine guns in the streets to deport illegal immigrants? Obama was able to do so without [26:25] soldiers. He did it just for cooperation with local law enforcement, right? So I think the ICE, [26:30] it's meant to be almost like a Gestapo, a part of a secret police in order to control the lives of [26:36] people. Their budget is like, I think, projected to be 90 billion dollars. That's a lot of money [26:43] for to get rid of illegal immigrants. So I think ICE is one piece of the puzzle. The other piece of the [26:49] puzzle is Operation Stargate, where the government has dedicated 500 billion dollars to building data [26:54] centers all around America. Listen, these data centers are not for having an AI girlfriend or for helping [27:02] you cheat on your homework. They are part of the control grid, right? So you look at companies like [27:08] OpenAI, they don't make money selling chat services to people. But Son Altman seems to be very confident [27:16] that he'll be very successful. So I think he knows something that we don't know. [27:20] It's deeply, deeply troubling. You talked about also, well, we mentioned it before the show, [27:27] which is the oil refineries. So, I mean, what is going on here? And I don't know if you have the [27:33] answer to it, but we're now seeing, I mean, dozens of oil refineries around the world, many of them in [27:38] BRICS aligned nations. You saw in India, one of the inauguration, you know, President Modi of India was [27:44] about to have the inauguration of this brand new oil refinery and the day before it goes up in flames. [27:50] So all of the oil refining capacity is being taken offline. What is going on? [27:57] Right. So I think there's a combination of war. So a lot of refineries that are being destroyed [28:06] are because of war, right? The Americans attacked the natural gas fields of Iran. And the Iranians [28:11] responded by attacking the natural gas fields of Qatar. So war is a factor. Another factor [28:17] is just accidental malfunction. So because of energy shortages, these refineries have to maximize [28:24] output. And so it's possible they didn't neglect safety measures because they're at capacity. [28:33] That's the second factor. Now, the third factor is a sabotage, right? So if you look at the [28:37] Australian G-Loan refinery fire, that is deeply suspicious. They say it was an accident, [28:43] but people locally said that this was probably sabotage. So these three factors going on, right? [28:50] War, accidents and sabotage. One thing that I will say is that if you're trying to change your society, [28:57] you really need to better control your people. And quite honestly, from the perspective of the elite, [29:04] the peasants have become too arrogant. The peasants have become too uppity. And so you need to make them [29:09] much more anxious. You need to make them much more desperate. And so it's important to manufacture [29:15] economic calamities in order to make them more obedient. [29:18] Well, that's what Colonel Towner Watkins says, and she's brilliant. And she talks about [29:24] she talks about this as the strategy of tension. And these left behind armies, these NATO leave behind [29:31] armies that have created this strategy of tension, you create this tension on purpose in order to agitate [29:37] and control. It's all about control. It's psychological warfare. They've been doing this for decades. [29:44] And so think of the color revolutions in the Middle East, right? So they have this very good playbook, [29:52] very effective playbook of using propaganda, of using spies, of using saboteurs, [30:00] provocateurs in order to stir up discontent among the population, in order to better control [30:06] the emotions of the population of the population. So I think that we are moving towards a period of [30:13] massive unrest. Now, earlier off camera, you talked about the NASA program. [30:20] And this seems to be something that's really irking people online. I see meme after meme of [30:25] people saying, wait, you expect us to support a war in Iran. We don't have free health care. We have [30:31] record debt. We will have to pay more for fuel. But you can use up all this jet fuel and send science [30:38] experiments into the ether. What the hell? And you're saying you think that is another part of [30:43] the control mechanism. Right. So if we just extend our logic, right, and just say, OK, during this war, [30:51] in order to maintain the American empire, the population isn't going to go with this war. So they [30:56] need to create an economic catastrophe to make the population more obedient. And you want to introduce [31:05] an AI surveillance system. You want to have—you want to have a control grid. Well, a possible [31:13] strategy is to fake an alien invasion and make people so afraid that they basically [31:20] obey the government. But, you know, from the perspective of the government, this doesn't [31:27] really have to succeed. Because honestly, baby boomers will go with anything, right? [31:33] But maybe it's just theater. So everyone knows it's a fake alien invasion, but [31:39] that allows the government to actually impose the AI surveillance grid on everyone. And the boomers [31:46] will go with this. No one else will go with it. But no one really cares because they have ice on the [31:50] streets to enforce obedience. Well, and President Trump recently, of course, announced the shift [31:56] of Space Force to its new location with its massive new infrastructure and, of course, billions of [32:03] dollars and a new budget. It has its own spy program inside Space Force. For years on this show, [32:09] we've been calling out how this is just one big massive boondoggle for the defense industry. And of [32:14] course, yes, the fears—you're seeing it online now, this idea that we are about to face some sort of [32:20] big disclosure, some sort of big alien invasion. You're hearing it from members of Congress, [32:26] that disclosure is coming, and therefore to scare all of us into some sort of control. And that, [32:32] I think, this is just another big piece of the puzzle. Project Bluebeam. [32:37] Yeah, I want to raise two questions about the space program. So we know that after every major [32:45] government expenditure, a huge government project, we have massive innovation, okay? So think of World War II, [32:52] when the government spent billions of dollars on the Manhattan Project. And in the 1950s, [32:57] we have this tremendous wave of innovation, right, including the transistor, including the internet, [33:03] including, you know, semiconductors. So that's what happens when you have tremendous breakthroughs, [33:12] technological breakthroughs. But the problem is this. 1969, America sent a man to the moon. [33:18] What technological breakthroughs do we have from that? In fact, if you talk to NASA, they tell you, [33:25] oh, sorry, we lost all that technology. We lost all that, you know, data. We lost all that footage. [33:31] Yeah. That's kind of weird. That's really weird. That's point one. Point two is that undergirding [33:41] technological breakthroughs are scientific theories, okay? So think of the Manhattan Project and how, [33:49] you know, before the Manhattan Project, there were all these tremendous breakthroughs in science, [33:54] primarily Einstein's theory of relativity and quantum mechanics, which allows for the Manhattan Project. [34:01] I'm completely confused as to what physical breakthrough or what theoretical breakthrough [34:07] allowed for the space program. And why is it that after the space program was so successful, [34:12] we don't have breakthroughs in our understanding of the universe? This is all really weird. [34:17] I guess. Don't you think we should know more by now? Yeah. I mean, like, we're literally excited [34:24] about getting back to the moon. I mean, we, you know, it's like, we've done this, we've done this, [34:29] you know, 1960s, we've done this, like, or did we? And now we're doing it all over again. And we're [34:34] excited that we get some sort of 4k iPhone video that's been going viral by one of the astronauts. [34:41] Like that's, that's like arguably the most exciting thing that we've seen from this is an [34:46] astronaut's iPhone video through the window of a sunrise or the, the earth, the earth rise or earth [34:51] sunset. It's, it's very bizarre. I want to, I'm going to out Clayton a little bit. He was telling me [34:56] earlier that, you know, he's fascinated by the optimist robot, the Tesla optimist robot, and we'll see [35:01] Tesla earnings this afternoon. And he was saying, it's not just to like walk your dog and do your [35:06] dishes. What they want them to do is go to Mars and build the colonies that they will be built [35:13] by the optimist robots. And he's fascinated by that. There's no, there's no shade in telling me. [35:18] No, I mean, just years ahead, years ahead of human beings going to Mars, [35:21] that we'll have this like fleet of optimist robots on, on Mars. [35:25] Yeah. What do you think of that? [35:27] You know, it's, it's entirely possible where they're looking for a new control mechanism, right? [35:32] And they understand the power of narrative, how World War Two was this great unifying, [35:37] galvanizing event for the American population, how the space race was also a great unifying event [35:43] for the American people as well. So maybe people are in poverty, maybe, maybe there's wars going on. [35:49] But if we're seeing all this footage of these optimist robots going on Mars to build a colony, [35:54] maybe this will make us more appreciative of the government. [35:58] Okay. Yeah, I guess we'll, we'll just fall in line and just be happy with all of this control. [36:03] And people are, you know, just walking into this control grid. [36:06] Or imagine, I'm thinking like a science fiction writer now, you, you are in this control grid, [36:13] you see these optimist robots, you think they're actually building a colony where there is food [36:17] and life and you don't have to live in this dystopic life, but oh, you can only get here because [36:23] of this. And then we all think that we've earned it line up to get on a machine and we're blasted [36:29] into death. This is the novel, right? That's a Hollywood movie. Yeah. [36:34] You like it? Yeah. Yeah. The Matrix. [36:37] I don't like this dystopic future. It's macabre, but that's where my mind goes. [36:41] Yeah. Professor, any final thoughts on all of it, all of the things we talked about today? And I, [36:45] I mean, I just keep coming back to this economic, you know, depression that we're facing and I don't [36:51] think people are prepared for it. No, I, I think like the greatest challenge is for people to like [36:58] switch their mindsets because people are so complacent nowadays. Um, you know, I don't think [37:04] Americans appreciate how great their country is, how lucky their lives have been in that they never [37:11] experienced a war and that they've never really experienced scarcity, poverty, uh, deprivation. [37:17] And quite honestly, um, what's gonna kill most people is this radical kind of dissonance when [37:24] they move towards a world in which things feel hopeless. So, so I think, you know, what's really [37:29] important is for people to start to switch their mentalities from a focus on too much materialism [37:35] to, uh, to a more greater focus on spirituality, on community, on family. And if you do that, [37:41] then I think you're much, much more likely to weather the storm that's coming. [37:44] You know, one more question I want to ask because a German politician recently said [37:50] that they should raise the age of, of enlistment for reservists to 70, a 70 year old being enlisted [37:59] in the army. I mean, if this shows no lack of respect for human life, I don't know what does. And [38:06] so I think that again, this shows sort of an expansion of slave labor and war footing. What do you, [38:11] what do you think of that? Look, I think there's a depopulation agenda going on where the elite have [38:17] known for decades that the population we have is unsustainable. This planet, its resources were [38:23] really meant for only one or two billion people. Unfortunately, the elite, uh, don't want to share. [38:28] They want to, they want to live the life of billionaires and they want us to, um, own nothing and [38:34] be happy about it. So they recognize that if they are to maintain their privilege, then they need to get [38:39] rid of most of us. And so, you know, never let a, a good crisis go to waste. And so there is clearly [38:47] a depopulation agenda at work here behind the scenes. I guess I'll finally ask you about this [38:51] Palantir big headline that came out about two days ago that they, Palantir executives want to bring [38:58] back the draft in the United States. They want to bring back the draft. Um, it just as the selective [39:04] service is now prepping for those like automatic registration in the United States. So you'll be [39:08] automatically put in the selective service. What do you make of Palantir's push for a draft? [39:14] Look, if there's an AI surveillance state that's coming, then Palantir will be the heart and center [39:18] of that. So food rationing will allow for, uh, will justify a control grid, but also the national draft, [39:26] if you think about it, will also justify a control grid where you need to make sure that young men [39:33] know their, uh, patriotic duty and they're willing to go and die in the Middle East. [39:37] Unbelievable. Professor Jiang, thank you so much for your deep analysis today. We really appreciate it. [39:44] And, uh, and I, and I hope you're not correct. I hope you're not correct. [39:48] Look, look, I hope I'm wrong. Okay. People call me an idiot. [39:53] In the internet, people call me an idiot. I hope I'm an idiot. Okay. But I also think, I also think it's important [40:00] for us to consider all possibilities and to be emotionally and psychologically prepared for the [40:04] worst case scenario. Right. You've been right so far. So I, I hope you are an idiot and I hope that [40:10] this is wrong and that I hope we do not enter a forever war, um, with you, Ron. But how many of us [40:15] were idiots not seeing the pandemic coming and then weren't prepared for it? So, okay, you guys, [40:20] there's precedence. Yeah. Professor, great to see you. Thank you so much. And I really appreciate you [40:26] staying up late with us there in China. Thank you so much. Okay. Thanks guys. Thank you.