President Trump; Guinness Book of Records

[0:07] It's been five years since President Trump appeared for an interview on 60 Minutes, [0:12] so we had a lot of questions. [0:14] What are you doing as president to end the shutdown? [0:18] Tonight, he answers them. [0:20] Americans have been watching videos of ICE, tackling a young mother, tear gas being used [0:26] in a Chicago residential neighborhood, and the smashing of car windows. [0:30] Have some of these raids gone too far? [0:33] No, I think they haven't gone far enough. [0:35] Whether it's this attempt at the biggest pizza party ever, or trying to eat an airplane, [0:43] there's a method to the madness of getting into Guinness World Records. [0:47] It's as many as 95% of submissions get rejected. [0:52] We do validate people that do things that others might seem a bit weird, like eating [0:59] aircraft and stuff. [1:00] Do you not see that as weird? [1:02] I see it as really interesting. [1:07] I'm Leslie Stahl. [1:08] I'm Scott Pelley. [1:10] I'm Bill Whitaker. [1:11] I'm Anderson Cooper. [1:12] I'm Sharon Alfonsi. [1:14] I'm Cecilia Vega. [1:15] I'm Norah O'Donnell. [1:16] I'm John Wertheim. [1:18] Those stories, and in our last minute, we reveal one of the best sources for our investigations, [1:23] tonight on 60 Minutes. [1:33] It's been five years since President Trump appeared for an interview on 60 Minutes. [1:38] A lot has happened since then, not least of which was his political comeback and triumphant [1:44] return to the White House. [1:46] On Friday, hours after he touched the ground, President Trump appeared for an interview [1:47] on 60 Minutes. [1:47] As he touched down from his whirlwind trip to Asia, Mr. Trump agreed to sit down with [1:52] us for a wide-ranging conversation. [1:54] It was exactly one year to the day since he sued Paramount, the parent company of CBS, [2:01] alleging that 60 Minutes had deceptively edited an interview with his opponent, Kamala Harris. [2:07] Paramount settled that lawsuit. [2:10] The settlement did not include an apology or admission of wrongdoing. [2:14] In our nearly 90-minute conversation this past week, we spoke with Mr. Trump about the [2:17] country and the world. [2:21] We met with the president at Mar-a-Lago, his private club in Florida, on the 31st day of [2:27] the government shutdown. [2:29] We are now approaching the longest shutdown in American history. [2:33] Democrats' fault. [2:34] Under your presidency, we're talking about more than a million federal workers [2:39] who are not getting a paycheck, including our air traffic controllers. [2:43] You see, there's traffic snarls out at the airports now. [2:45] Sure. [2:46] This weekend, food aid. [2:47] Yes. [2:48] for more than 42 million Americans is set to expire. [2:52] What are you doing as president to end the shutdown? [2:55] Well, what we're doing is we keep voting. [2:57] I mean, the Republicans are voting almost unanimously to end it, [3:01] and the Democrats keep voting against ending it. [3:04] You know, they've never had this. [3:06] This has happened like 18 times before. [3:08] The Democrats always voted for an extension, always saying, [3:11] give us an extension, we'll work it out. [3:13] They've lost their way. [3:15] They've become crazed lunatics. [3:17] And all they have to do, Nora, is say, let's vote. [3:22] Senate Democrats say they will vote to reopen the government [3:25] if Republicans agree to extend subsidies for over 20 million Americans [3:30] who use Obamacare for their health insurance. [3:34] Obamacare is terrible. [3:36] It's bad health care at far too high a price. [3:40] We should fix that. We should fix it. [3:42] And we can fix it with the Democrats. [3:44] All they have to do is let the country open, [3:47] and we'll fix it. [3:47] They have to let the country open, and I'll sit down with the Democrats, [3:52] and we'll fix it, but they have to let the country. [3:54] And you know what they have to do? [3:55] All they have to do is raise five hands. [3:57] We don't need all of them. [3:58] But so you're saying your plan is to tell the Democrats to vote to end the shutdown? [4:03] Correct. Very simple. [4:04] And that you will put forward a health care plan? [4:07] No. We will work on fixing the bad health care that we have right now. [4:11] We have terrible health care at too expensive for the people, [4:14] not for the government, for the people. [4:16] But, Mr. President, with all due respect, [4:17] you've been talking about fixing the health care. [4:19] Sure. And you can't do it because of the Democrats. [4:22] But since 2015, you've said you'd fix it. [4:23] I've been talking about it for a long time. [4:25] We almost did it. We were one vote short. [4:27] We would have had great health care. [4:29] That was in 2017, when Senate Republicans failed by one vote [4:34] to partially repeal Obamacare. [4:36] We can make it much less expensive for people [4:39] and give them much better health care. [4:41] But where is that plan? [4:42] And I'd be willing to work with the Democrats on it. [4:45] The problem is they want to give money [4:47] to prisoners, to drug dealers, to all these millions of people [4:52] that were allowed to come in with an open border from Biden, [4:55] and nobody can do that. [4:57] Not one Republican would ever do that. [4:59] My understanding is, if those health care subsidies are not extended, [5:04] premiums will double for many of the people that are on it. [5:06] And I was looking into it. [5:08] Three-quarters of these people will see their health care premiums double. [5:12] Live in states where you won in the last election. [5:15] I mean, even here in Florida, [5:16] has the highest number of residents on Obamacare in the country. [5:20] And I'm saying we can fix it, Nora. [5:22] You have helped end these government shutdowns in the past. [5:25] I did. I did. [5:26] And you did it by bringing them... [5:27] I'm very good at it, but I'm not going to do it by extortion. [5:31] I'm not going to do it by being extorted by the Democrats who have lost their way. [5:36] There's something wrong with these people. [5:37] So then what happens on November 15th when the troops don't get a paycheck? [5:41] Schumer is a basket case, and he has nothing to lose. [5:44] He's become, I just left Japan. [5:46] He's become a kamikaze pilot. [5:48] Sounds like it's not going to get solved, the shutdown. [5:50] It's going to get solved, yeah. [5:51] Oh, it's going to get solved. [5:52] How? [5:53] We'll get it solved. [5:53] Eventually, they're going to have to vote. [5:56] You're saying the Democrats will capitulate. [5:58] I think they have to. [5:59] And if they don't vote, that's their problem. [6:01] Now, I happen to agree to something else. [6:03] I think we should do the nuclear option. [6:05] This is a totally different nuclear, by the way. [6:07] It's called ending the filibuster. [6:10] But to do that, he'd need Senate Majority Leader John Thune to change Senate rules. [6:17] John Thune said today they're not going to do that. [6:19] I know John doesn't. [6:20] Well, John and a few others. [6:22] But you know what? [6:23] The Republicans have to get tougher. [6:25] If we end the filibuster, we can do exactly what we want. [6:28] We're not going to lose power. [6:29] The theory is, oh, then we'll do it. [6:31] But then when they get into power someday, they'll do it. [6:33] That's true. [6:34] But you know what? [6:35] So you think John Thune? [6:36] We're here right now. [6:37] No, I like John Thune. [6:38] I think he's terrific. [6:39] But I disagree with him on this point. [6:40] He said today he wasn't going to do it. [6:42] Well, that's too bad. [6:45] So far, the shutdown hasn't spooked the stock market, [6:49] which hit record highs this past week. [6:51] Perfect timing for your show. [6:53] Just hit an all-time high. [6:55] We're doing really well. [6:57] Can I ask you, Mr. President, on that point, though, [6:59] when the stock market is doing well, that doesn't affect everybody. [7:02] Not everybody is invested in the stock market. [7:04] Oh, it does. [7:05] But there have been grocery prices are up. [7:06] No, 401 s. [7:07] People have 401 s. [7:08] Their 401 s are double what they were a year ago. [7:11] But for people that don't have 401 s or are not invested in the stock market, [7:16] they've seen their grocery prices go up, inflation. [7:18] No, you're right. [7:19] You're wrong. [7:20] They went up under Biden. [7:21] Right now, they're going down. [7:22] Other than beef, which we're working on, which we can sell very quickly. [7:25] On the economy, the signature part of your economic plan is tariffs. [7:30] The Supreme Court is going to hear arguments this week [7:33] on whether you have the authority to impose these sweeping tariffs [7:37] without congressional approval. [7:40] The lower courts have ruled against you. [7:42] That's why it's in the Supreme Court right now. [7:43] Very close rulings, yeah. [7:45] What happens to your economic plan if the Supreme Court invalidates your tariffs? [7:50] I think our country will be immeasurably hurt. [7:53] I think our economy will go to hell. [7:56] Look, because of tariffs, we have the highest stock market we've ever had. [8:00] Because of tariffs, 401 s at the highest level. [8:03] And this is millions and millions of people that we've ever had, 401 s. [8:07] I think it's the most important subject discussed by the Supreme Court in 100 years. [8:13] I know your time is limited, so I do want to make sure I get through more of these topics. [8:16] Sure. [8:17] Immigration. [8:18] You campaigned on immigration. [8:19] You largely won the election on a promise to close the border. [8:22] You did a great job, don't you think? [8:23] And you succeeded on that. [8:25] Illegal crossings at the southern border are at a 55-year low. [8:30] More recently, Americans have been watching videos of ICE, [8:34] tackling a young mother, tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood, [8:39] and the smashing of car windows. [8:41] Have some of these raids gone too far? [8:44] No, I think they haven't gone far enough [8:46] because we've been held back by the judges. [8:49] By the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and by Obama. [8:53] You're okay with those tactics? [8:55] Yeah, because you have to get the people out. [8:56] You know, you have to look at the people. [8:58] Many of them are murderers. [8:59] Many of them are people that were thrown out of their countries because they were, you know, criminals. [9:04] Well, you promised in your campaign that you were going to deport the worst of the worst. [9:08] Violent criminals. [9:09] Oh, we're doing that. [9:10] Rapists. [9:11] Well, that's what we're doing. [9:12] But a lot of the people that your administration has arrested and deported aren't violent criminals. [9:16] Landscapers, nannies, construction workers. [9:18] Oh, no, no. [9:19] Landscapers who are criminals. [9:20] Farm workers. [9:21] No, look, look. [9:22] The family of U.S. service members. [9:23] I need landscapers, and I need farmers more than anybody, okay? [9:25] Is it your intent to deport people who do not have a criminal record? [9:30] We have to start off with a policy, and the policy has to be you came into the country illegally. [9:36] You're going to go out. [9:37] However, you've also seen you're going to go out, we're going to work with you, [9:41] and you're going to come back into our country legally. [9:44] When will you declare mission accomplished on immigration? [9:47] Well, it takes a long time because, you know, probably I say 25 million people were let into our country. [9:53] A lot of people say it was 10 million people. [9:55] But whether it was 10, I believe I'm much closer to the right number. [9:58] Of the 25, many of them should not be here. [10:01] But we're cleaning up our cities. [10:03] You know, I campaigned on crime, but I've done a much better job on crime than I thought. [10:08] You know, the crime numbers are way down, even though we have a lot more people in our country that really shouldn't be here. [10:14] And many of them are stone cold, horrible. [10:17] And they're not even hard criminals. [10:20] The president has ordered the National Guard to five cities. [10:24] Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Portland, Chicago, and Memphis. [10:29] This past Tuesday, while speaking to American troops in Japan, you talked about U.S. cities that are having trouble with crime. [10:36] And you said, if we need more than the National Guard, we'll send more than the National Guard. [10:42] What does that mean, send more than the National Guard? [10:44] Well, if you had to send in the Army or if you had to send in the Marines, I'd do that in a heartbeat. [10:48] You know, you have a thing called the Insurrection Act. [10:50] You know that, right? [10:51] Do you know that I could use that immediately? [10:54] And no judge can even challenge you on that. [10:57] But I haven't chosen to do it because I haven't felt we need it. [11:00] So you're going to send the military into American cities? [11:02] Well, if I wanted to, I could if I wanted to use the Insurrection Act. [11:06] The Insurrection Act has been used routinely by presidents. [11:09] And if I needed it, that would mean I could bring in the Army, the Marines. [11:12] I could bring in whoever I want. [11:13] But I haven't chosen to use it. [11:15] I hope you give me credit for that. [11:16] I want to ask you about this. [11:18] I want to ask you about another matter. [11:21] James Comey, John Bolton, Letitia James were all recently indicted. [11:26] There's a pattern to these names. [11:28] They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you. [11:32] Is it political retribution? [11:33] You know what? [11:34] You know who got indicted? [11:35] The man you're looking at. [11:36] I got indicted, and I was innocent. [11:40] And here I am because I was able to beat all of the nonsense that was thrown at me. [11:44] And yet when you go after a dirty cop like Comey or a guy like Bolton, who I hear has— [11:50] I hear he took records all over the place. [11:52] Who knows? [11:53] Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person, in my opinion. [11:56] Did you instruct the Department of Justice to go after him? [11:59] Not in any way, shape, or form. [12:00] No. [12:01] You don't have to instruct him because they were so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt that the honest people we have— [12:07] Pam Bondi's doing a very good job. [12:09] Kash Patel's doing a very good job. [12:11] The honest people that we have go after them automatically. [12:14] But in a true social post from September addressed to Attorney General Pam Bondi, [12:19] President Trump endorsed the idea that former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James were, quote, [12:28] guilty as hell, and wrote, quote, justice must be served now. [12:33] Five days later, James Comey was indicted. [12:36] He pled not guilty, and so did Letitia James and President Trump's former National Security Advisor John Bolton. [12:43] Is this retribution on your part? [12:47] No, it's the opposite. [12:48] I think I've been very mild-mannered. [12:49] You're looking at a man who was indicted many times, and I had to beat the rap, otherwise I couldn't have run for president. [12:55] They tried to get me not to run for president by going after me and by indicting me. [13:00] So far this year, the president has pardoned or shortened the sentences of more than 1,600 people. [13:07] The latest pardon was for a cryptocurrency tycoon who is known as CZ. [13:13] The company CZ founded, Binance, helped boost the profile of the Trump family. [13:18] He pled guilty in 2023 to violating anti-money laundering laws. [13:27] The government at the time said that CZ had caused significant harm to U.S. national security, [13:33] essentially by allowing terrorist groups like Hamas to move millions of dollars around. [13:38] Why did you pardon him? [13:39] Okay, are you ready? [13:40] I don't know who he is. [13:41] I know he got a four-month sentence or something like that, and I heard it was a Biden witch hunt. [13:46] In 2024? [13:47] Yes. [13:48] In 2025, his crypto exchange Binance helped facilitate a $2 billion purchase of World Liberty Financial's stablecoin. [13:58] And then you pardoned CZ. [14:01] How do you address the appearance of pay for play? [14:04] Well, here's the thing. [14:05] I know nothing about it because I'm too busy doing the other. [14:08] But he got a pardon? [14:09] No, I can only tell you this. [14:11] My sons are into it. [14:14] I'm glad they are because it's probably a great industry, crypto. [14:17] I think it's good. [14:18] You know, they're running a business. [14:19] They're not in government. [14:21] World Liberty Financial has denied any involvement in the pardon. [14:25] With state and local elections coming up Tuesday, [14:28] we asked the president about the highly anticipated mayoral race [14:32] that includes former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Zorhan Mandami. [14:37] Zorhan Mandami, 34-year-old democratic socialist. [14:40] He's the president. [14:41] Communist, not socialist, communist. [14:43] He's far worse than a socialist. [14:45] Some people have compared him to a left-wing version of you, [14:48] charismatic, breaking the old rules. [14:50] What do you think about that? [14:51] Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him, right? [14:55] But what if Mandami becomes mayor? [14:57] It's going to be hard for me as the president to give a lot of money to New York [15:02] because if you have a communist running New York, [15:06] all you're doing is wasting the money you're sending there. [15:08] So I don't know that he's won. [15:10] And I'm not a fan of Cuomo one way or the other. [15:13] But if it's going to be between a bad Democrat and a communist, [15:17] I'm going to pick the bad Democrat. [15:19] I think he's going to be a bad Democrat all the time, to be honest with you. [15:24] When we return, the surprise announcement President Trump made [15:27] about testing nuclear weapons. [15:38] When we sat down with President Trump on Friday at Mar-a-Lago, [15:41] he had just returned from a high-stakes meeting with China's President Xi Jinping, [15:46] which culminated with a temporary truce in the trade war between the two countries. [15:51] But before the meeting even began, [15:54] Mr. Trump made news, as he often does, with a social media post. [15:58] Less than an hour before your meeting with President Xi, [16:02] you posted on social media that you instructed the, quote, [16:05] Department of War to start testing our nuclear weapons immediately. [16:10] What did you mean? [16:11] Well, we have more nuclear weapons than any other country. [16:14] I think we should do something about denuclearization. [16:18] And I did actually discuss that with both President Putin and President Xi. [16:23] We have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 150 times. [16:28] Russia has a lot of nuclear weapons, and China will have a lot. [16:32] They have some. They have quite a bit. [16:34] So why do we need to test our nuclear weapons? [16:36] Well, because you have to see how they work. [16:38] You know, you do have to. [16:39] And the reason I'm saying testing is because Russia announced [16:43] that they were going to be doing a test. [16:45] If you notice, North Korea is testing constantly. [16:48] Other countries are testing. [16:49] We're the only country that doesn't test, [16:51] and I don't want to be the only country that doesn't test. [16:54] Are you saying that after more than 30 years, [16:56] the United States is going to be testing? [16:58] The United States is going to start detonating nuclear weapons. [17:01] I'm saying that we're going to test nuclear weapons, [17:03] like other countries do, yes. [17:05] But the only country that's testing nuclear weapons is North Korea. [17:08] No, no. Russia's testing nuclear weapons. [17:11] And China's testing them, too. You just don't know about it. [17:14] That would be certainly very newsworthy. [17:16] My understanding is what Russia did recently [17:18] was test essentially the delivery systems for nuclear weapons, [17:22] essentially missiles, which we can do that, but not with nuclear weapons. [17:26] Russia's testing and China's testing, [17:27] but they don't test nuclear weapons. [17:28] We don't talk about it. [17:29] You know, we're an open society. [17:31] We're different. [17:32] We talk about it. [17:33] We have to talk about it, [17:34] because otherwise you people are going to report. [17:36] They don't have reporters that are going to be writing about it. [17:39] We do. [17:40] However, this week, the president's own nominee to lead STRATCOM, [17:44] the admiral who would be in charge of nuclear weapons, [17:47] was asked about this very issue on Capitol Hill. [17:50] He said neither China nor Russia were conducting nuclear explosive tests. [17:57] One potential flashpoint with China [17:59] and probably the potential flashpoint with China in the coming years [18:03] is over the issue of Taiwan. [18:05] The Chinese military is encroaching on Taiwan's sea lanes, [18:09] its airspace, its cyberspace. [18:11] I know you have said that Xi Jinping wouldn't dare move militarily on Taiwan [18:16] while you're in office, but what if he does? [18:19] Would you order U.S. forces to defend Taiwan? [18:22] You'll find out if it happens, and he understands the answer to that. [18:26] Why not say it? [18:27] This never even came up yesterday. [18:28] It even came up yesterday as a subject. [18:30] He never brought it up. [18:32] People were a little surprised that he never brought it up [18:34] because he understands it, and he understands it very well. [18:38] Do you mind if I ask, when you say he understands, [18:40] why not communicate that publicly to the rest of us? [18:43] Well, because I don't want to give away—I can't give away my secrets. [18:46] I don't want to be one of these guys that tells you exactly what's going to happen [18:49] if something happens. [18:50] The other side knows, but I'm not somebody that tells you everything [18:54] because you're asking me a question. [18:56] But they understand what's going to happen, [18:58] and he has openly said, and his people have openly said at meetings, [19:01] we would never do anything while President Trump is president [19:04] because they know the consequences. [19:07] At the top of the agenda for President Trump and President Xi [19:11] was a one-year trade deal that, for now, [19:14] averts the escalating tension between the two economic superpowers. [19:18] We've already agreed to a lot of things. [19:20] Mr. Trump told us that in exchange for lower tariffs, [19:23] China agreed to sell the U.S. its valuable rare earth minerals [19:27] and to resume buying American agricultural products. [19:31] This trade war, though, was hurting Americans. [19:34] I mean, our soybean farmers—China had stopped buying the soybeans. [19:38] China was withholding these rare earth materials that you need for everything [19:42] from smartphones to build submarines. [19:45] What was the crucial thing? [19:47] I mean, how tough of a negotiator is President Xi? [19:49] It was a temporary hurt. [19:50] It was a hurt because I was taking in a lot of money from China. [19:54] We were doing very well against China. [19:56] And all of a sudden, they said, you know, we have to fight back. [19:59] And so they used their powers. [20:00] The power they have is rare earth because of the fact that they've been accumulating it [20:05] and really taking care of it for a period of 25, 30 years. [20:09] Other countries haven't. [20:11] They used that against us, and we used other things against them. [20:15] For instance, airplane parts. [20:16] That's a big deal. [20:17] They have hundreds of Boeing airplanes. [20:20] We wouldn't give them parts. [20:22] We were both acting maybe a little bit irrationally. [20:26] But the big thing we had was tariffs ultimately. [20:29] I said, look, if you don't open up, then what we're going to do is we're going to oppose [20:34] 100 percent tariff over and above what you're already paying. [20:37] Mr. President, you just negotiated this one-year trade deal with China. [20:41] But as you know, the Chinese, they think in 100 years. [20:45] They play the long game, including on our own soil. [20:48] We play the long game, too. [20:50] Our own intelligence agencies say the Chinese have infiltrated parts of the American power grid [20:55] and our water systems. [20:57] They steal American intellectual property and Americans' personal information. [21:02] They bought American farmland. [21:04] How big of a threat is China? [21:07] It's like everybody else. [21:09] We're a threat to them, too. [21:10] Many of the things that you say, we do to them. [21:13] Look, this is a very competitive world, especially when it comes to China and the U.S. [21:17] And we're always watching them, and they're always watching us. [21:21] In the meantime, I think we get along very well. [21:24] And I think it's— [21:25] I think we can be bigger, better, and stronger by working with them as opposed to just knocking them out. [21:31] Who's tougher to deal with, Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping? [21:34] Both tough, both smart, both— [21:37] Look, they're both very strong leaders. [21:40] These are people not to be toyed with. [21:42] These are people you have to take very serious. [21:44] They're not walking in saying, oh, isn't it a beautiful day? [21:47] Look how beautiful the sun is shining. [21:49] It's so nice. [21:50] These are serious people. [21:51] These are people that are tough, smart leaders. [21:54] And on that note, you talk about Ukraine. [21:56] In August, I mean, you rolled out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin in Alaska. [22:01] But there's been— [22:02] Well, I roll out the red carpet for everybody. [22:05] But there's been no ceasefire. [22:07] Is he ignoring you? [22:09] Because I inherited a country where he thinks he's winning. [22:12] That was a war that would have never happened if I was president. [22:15] So why won't Putin end this war? [22:17] But, Nora, that was Joe Biden's war, not my war. [22:21] I inherited that stupid war. [22:24] The bloodiest land war in Europe since World War II continues. [22:28] But I brought—I mean, just a little list of—look at this, wars. [22:33] President Trump wanted to make sure we saw the list of eight international conflicts [22:38] he says he's been able to end since returning to office. [22:41] And you have branded yourself the peace president. [22:44] Well, I think I did pretty good. [22:46] I solved—those are eight of the nine wars I solved. [22:49] You know how I solved them? [22:50] I said, in many cases, in 60 percent, I said, [22:54] if you don't stop fighting, I'm putting tariffs on both of your countries [22:57] and you're not going to be able to do business with the United States. [22:59] So why isn't that working with Putin? [23:02] It is working with Putin, I think. [23:04] I did different with him because we don't do very much business with Russia, for one thing. [23:08] You know, he's not, like, somebody that buys a lot from us because of foolishness. [23:13] And I think he'd like to be. [23:14] I think he wants to come in and he wants to trade with us [23:17] and he wants to make a lot of money for Russia, and I think that's great. [23:20] The commander in chief has directed the U.S. military [23:23] to destroy at least nine vessels in the waters off Venezuela, [23:27] killing more than three dozen alleged drug smugglers. [23:31] U.S. lawmakers, including at least four Republicans, [23:34] have questioned the strike's legality. [23:38] In the meantime, F-35 fighter jets, [23:41] roughly 10,000 U.S. service members, [23:44] and multiple warships are in the Caribbean. [23:47] And now the USS Gerald Ford, [23:49] that is the world's largest aircraft carrier on the way to the Caribbean, [23:53] is on the way to the Caribbean. [23:55] Are we going to war against Venezuela? [23:58] I doubt it. I don't think so. [24:00] But they've been treating us very badly, not only on drugs. [24:03] They've dumped hundreds of thousands of people into our country that we didn't want, [24:07] people from prisons. [24:08] They emptied their prisons into our country. [24:11] They also, if you take a look, [24:13] they emptied their mental institutions and their insane asylums [24:17] into the United States of America [24:19] because Joe Biden was the worst president in the history of our country. [24:23] And this is the worst military operation around Venezuela [24:26] because it has been described to 60 Minutes as using a blowtorch to cook an egg. [24:30] Is this about stopping... [24:32] I don't think so. Look. [24:33] Is it about, let me ask you though, is it about stopping narcotics [24:36] or is this about getting rid of President Maduro? [24:39] No, this is about many things. [24:42] This is a country that allowed their prisons to be emptied into our country. [24:46] To me, that would be almost number one because we have other countries... [24:49] We don't need to blow up boats in order to do that. [24:50] Look, Mexico has been very bad to us in terms of drugs. [24:53] We have a closed border right now. [24:54] You probably noticed that for five months in a row, [24:57] they have zero, think of this, [25:00] zero people coming into our country through our southern border. [25:03] On Venezuela in particular, are Maduro's days as president numbered? [25:08] I would say, yeah. I think so, yeah. [25:10] And this issue of potential land strikes in Venezuela, is that true? [25:14] I don't tell you that. [25:15] I mean, I'm not saying it's true or untrue, but I, you know, I wouldn't... [25:19] Why wouldn't we do it? [25:20] I wouldn't be inclined to say that I would do that. [25:22] But because I don't talk to a reporter. [25:23] Because I don't talk to a reporter about whether or not I'm going to strike. [25:26] Let's talk about Israel. [25:27] You got the remaining Israeli hostages out of Gaza. [25:30] I did. [25:31] You arranged a ceasefire, however fragile that may be. [25:34] Those are major... [25:35] It's not fragile. [25:36] It's a very solid... [25:37] You know, I mean, you hear about Hamas, [25:38] but Hamas could be taken out immediately if they don't behave. [25:41] They know that. [25:42] If they don't behave, they're going to be taken out immediately. [25:44] How do you get Hamas to disarm? [25:48] If I want them to disarm, I'll get them to disarm very quickly. [25:51] They'll be eliminated. [25:53] They know that. [25:54] Don't forget, you said I got the remaining hostages. [25:56] I got all the hostages out. [25:58] But I always said the last 10 or 20 are going to be tough. [26:01] You pushed the Israeli prime minister to make this deal, [26:06] to get a ceasefire, to apologize to Qatar. [26:10] Can you push Bibi Netanyahu to recognize a Palestinian state? [26:15] Yeah, he's fine. [26:16] He's fine. [26:17] Look, he's a wartime prime minister. [26:20] I worked very well with him. [26:22] Yeah, I mean, I had to push him a little bit one way or the other. [26:24] I think I did a great job in pushing him. [26:27] He's a very talented guy. [26:29] He's a guy that has never been pushed before, actually. [26:32] That's the kind of person you needed in Israel at the time. [26:35] It was very important. [26:37] I don't think they treat him very well. [26:39] He's under trial for some things, and I don't think they treat him very well. [26:42] I think we'll be involved in that to help him out a little bit, [26:46] because I think it's very unfair. [26:48] I did. [26:49] I pushed him. [26:50] I didn't like certain things that he did, and you saw what I did about that. [26:53] I also stopped, you know, we knocked the hell out of Iran, [26:57] and then it was time to stop, and we stopped. [26:59] President Trump told us he expects to expand the Abraham Accords, [27:05] the historic agreement struck during Mr. Trump's first term, [27:09] the normalized relations between Israel and some Arab states. [27:14] I wanted to ask you about the crown prince of Saudi Arabia [27:17] is coming to the White House this month. [27:19] He has said they won't join the Abraham Accords [27:23] without a two-state solution. [27:25] Do you believe that? [27:26] No, I think he's going to join. [27:28] I think we will have a solution. [27:30] I don't know if it's going to be two-state. [27:32] That's going to be up to Israel and other people and me. [27:35] But, look, the main thing is you could have never had any kind of a deal [27:40] if you had a nuclear Iran, and you essentially had a nuclear Iran. [27:45] And I blasted the hell out of them, and no president is going to do it. [27:49] Are you convinced they have no nuclear capability right now? [27:51] Do you want to know? [27:52] Do you want to know? [27:53] I had no nuclear capability, no. [27:55] Do you want to know that the pilots, I invited them to the White House [27:58] because they were very brave. [27:59] I mean, I wouldn't have wanted to do it. [28:01] You know, get in a plane, and they know you're coming, [28:03] and you're going right into Iran airspace. [28:05] And, you know, they're very experts, and you're flying in with machines. [28:09] Personally, I can think of other things I'd rather do. [28:12] These guys are very brave people. [28:14] I mean, they're real American heroes. [28:16] And they told me something I didn't know. [28:18] They said, sir, for 22 years we've been practicing this route. [28:22] Three times a year, every year, for 22 years, [28:25] and you were the only president that let us do our job. [28:29] As our time with the president was winding down, [28:32] we asked him whether he'll try to stay in his job beyond 2028. [28:37] There's been a lot of talk about 2028 [28:40] and who will be at the top of the Republican ticket. [28:43] Can you set the record straight you're not going to try and run for a third term? [28:47] Well, I don't even think about it. [28:49] I will tell you, a lot of people want me to run, [28:51] but the difference between us and the Democrats is we really do have a strong bench. [28:55] I don't want to use names because it's, you know, inappropriate, [28:58] but it's too early, three and a quarter years. [29:00] But people do like when you start talking about whether you like J.D. Vance or Secretary Rubio. [29:03] I do like J.D. Vance. I like Marco Rubio. [29:05] I like so many people. We have an unbelievable bench. [29:08] Mr. President, can I also ask you, we're now at the end of your first year of this second term. [29:14] What do you hope to accomplish in the next three years? [29:17] Well, I hope I can have the same year that we had. [29:19] Look, we have been acknowledged to have the greatest nine months. [29:22] You know, it's nine months. [29:24] The greatest nine months in the history of the presidency. [29:26] So if I can keep that going, I'll be very happy. [29:28] Nice to see you. [29:33] More from our interview with President Trump. [29:36] And watch the extended interview and read the full transcript at 60minutesovertime.com. [29:42] With more than 150 million copies sold in 40 languages, [29:54] Guinness World Records is one of the best-selling books in history. [29:58] In it, you'll find the shortest, tallest and fastest-selling [30:01] alongside jaw-dropping human feats and eighth-grade bathroom humor. [30:06] Some achievements are so over the top, it was hard to keep a straight face during interviews for this story. [30:12] But behind the spectacle is a meticulous system of British auditing. [30:17] So strict, it has crushed many more record attempts than it has certified. [30:22] Even if what you see defies belief, you can trust that if it made it into the book, it is real. [30:28] And as Guinness World Records declares, officially amazing. [30:32] Are you ready? [30:34] How are you feeling? [30:37] I'm feeling pumped. [30:38] Yeah? [30:39] Yeah. [30:40] For Colin Kaplan, the stakes couldn't be higher. [30:42] Not in my wildest dreams could I have ever thought that I'd be doing anything like this. [30:46] After a year of planning, he's about to find out if his city, New Haven, Connecticut, [30:53] can eat its way into history by hosting the world's largest pizza party. [30:58] Let's get some pizza! [31:00] Kaplan, a local historian and food tour guide, is so obsessed with pizza, [31:05] like this. [31:06] Last year, he chartered a jet to Washington and got his congresswoman to declare New Haven the pizza capital of America. [31:13] New Haven, pizza capital, baby! [31:17] Is this a serious endeavor? [31:19] Yeah. [31:21] Yeah, I think it is. [31:22] I'll tell you what. [31:23] It seems light and fun, but it's serious in a sense of what's on the line. [31:29] What's on the line is the glory of a Guinness World Record. [31:33] And people will do just about anything to get one. [31:37] Humans are such an interesting bunch, aren't we? [31:40] And record-breaking is an innately human thing. [31:43] And if that means you do strange things like swallowing sausages whole [31:48] or climbing Everest or running a marathon with a milk bottle on your head, [31:53] then that's fine, that's great. [31:56] Craig Glenday has been the book's editor-in-chief for the past 21 years. [32:01] I really like that, so I think we want more of that. [32:03] In his signature Scottish accent, [32:06] he recounts with a straight face what is often a circus of absurdity. [32:11] You know, we get things like fastest time to run around my garden [32:14] playing the banjo with a snake on my head. [32:16] It's like, next. [32:19] We get a nice letter of thank you, but no thank you. [32:21] Cutest babies and cutest dogs don't make the cut either. [32:25] Records must meet strict criteria. [32:28] They have to be filmed from multiple angles, [32:31] verified by independent eyewitnesses, [32:34] and measured with precision. [32:36] Each year, Guinness World Records receives roughly 50,000 applications, [32:42] but as many as 95% get rejected. [32:45] The largest number of submissions come from the United States. [32:49] One of my favorite days in the job was I was at the X Games [32:52] at the Staples Center in LA, [32:54] and a dog zipped past me on a skateboard. [32:56] And despite the heat, I chased after this dog, [32:59] and I found the owner and said, [33:01] I've never seen a dog on a skateboard. [33:03] He said, oh, this is Tailman, he loves skateboarding. [33:05] I had a tape measure. [33:06] We measured out 100 meters of the car park at the Staples Center, [33:09] and we set the record there and then, [33:11] because I was so amazed by it. [33:13] Do you just walk through the world with a tape measure in your pocket? [33:16] Well, I do usually. [33:17] Do you? [33:18] Yeah, I have a tape measure and a stopwatch, [33:20] because you never know. [33:21] Many of the record holders you know. [33:24] Usain Bolt for the fastest 200 meters, [33:27] Beyonce for the most Grammys, [33:29] and many you've probably never even imagined. [33:33] Go. [33:35] Like serial record breaker David Bowie, [33:37] an Idaho tech worker, [33:39] who has broken more than 350 records and counting, [33:43] including most bites taken from three apples [33:46] while juggling for a minute. [33:48] It's just past the two mile mark. [33:50] And most T-shirts worn during a half marathon. [33:55] And Monsieur Mange Tout. [33:57] That's Mr. Eats Everything in French. [34:00] He held the record for the world's strangest diet. [34:04] The guy who'd, you know, [34:06] he'd supposedly eaten a Cessna, [34:08] because he could eat metal and glass. [34:10] A Cessna plane? [34:11] Well, apparently it took him two years. [34:13] Doesn't sound very healthy. [34:14] Well, I mean, [34:15] his wife wouldn't let him use the toilet at home, [34:18] because if he'd been eating metal, [34:20] it tends to come out like bullets. [34:22] And it would chip the porcelain. [34:24] So he'd have to use a hotel with metal toilets near his house. [34:28] This is the greatest user interview I've ever done. [34:30] I'm just saying. [34:31] Sorry. [34:32] I'm sorry. [34:34] Come back to what you were saying. [34:36] I mean, for me, it's every day. [34:38] So I don't quite get it, but yeah. [34:41] He could do glass and metal. [34:43] He couldn't do chains. [34:44] But to meet him was a real honor for me, [34:46] because he was like a childhood hero for me. [34:48] You must get this question all the time. [34:50] Why? [34:51] Why? [34:52] I mean, it's different for everyone. [34:53] Everyone has a different reason. [34:54] Some just want fame. [34:55] Some want to be in print. [34:57] We do validate people that do things [35:00] that others might seem a bit weird, [35:04] like eating aircraft and stuff. [35:06] Do you not see that as weird? [35:09] I mean, I see it as really interesting. [35:13] I got to tell you, I thought it would be a little crazier. [35:16] Inside the company's London headquarters, [35:19] Glenday keeps a cabinet of greatest hits. [35:22] It's Craig's cabinet of curie oddities. [35:25] Like the world's smallest playing cards [35:28] and a giant size 29 shoe. [35:32] I'm like the Vanna White of oddities here. [35:35] What is this? [35:36] If you have a little investigation of that, [35:38] it's the world's oldest vomit. [35:40] Vomit? [35:41] Vomit. [35:42] You got me on that one. [35:43] 160. [35:44] It doesn't smell and it's obviously petrified. [35:45] Not everyone chooses to break records. [35:48] I'm 5'10", so what was she? [35:50] She's just on seven foot. [35:52] The tallest and shortest people [35:54] often have had genetic conditions. [35:56] The woman with the longest fingernails, 43 feet, [36:00] hasn't cut them since her daughter, [36:02] who painted her nails, passed away in 1997. [36:06] So she still holds the record? [36:08] Still has the record. [36:09] It's the longest ever measured. [36:12] The idea for the book began during a hunting trip [36:14] at this country estate in Ireland, [36:16] where the manager of the Guinness brewery [36:18] got into an argument over who could name [36:21] the fastest game bird in Europe. [36:23] To settle future pub debates, [36:25] he commissioned a book of superlatives, [36:27] which eventually became the Guinness World Records. [36:30] The first one was published in 1955. [36:34] The initial reaction from the book trade [36:36] was not that positive. [36:37] In the first sales meeting ever, [36:39] the salesperson wrote six on the slip, [36:42] and they said, do you mean 6,000? [36:44] 600? [36:45] He said, no, six. [36:46] They just wanted six? [36:47] Six for the whole country. [36:48] Copies? [36:49] Yeah. [36:50] By the end of the week, it was like 10,000. [36:51] They sold that quickly? [36:52] It just blew up. [36:55] Seventy years later, [36:56] it's still a hit at school book fairs, [36:58] but today the name Guinness World Records [37:01] is synonymous with viral stunts [37:03] that become clickbait gold. [37:06] Is Google your biggest competition? [37:08] I could pull my phone out right now [37:09] and search the world's fastest bird. [37:11] You might as well open the window [37:12] and shout your question into the street, [37:14] and you'll get an answer, yeah, [37:15] but is it the right one? [37:16] Well, I can say I know [37:18] Sultankos N's eight foot three [37:20] because I was there with the tape measure. [37:22] I measured him. [37:23] He's also measured the shortest person [37:25] who he learned about after a woodcutter [37:27] passed through a remote village in Nepal [37:30] and alerted the team at Guinness World Records. [37:33] So it was confidence enough for me [37:35] to then go to Nepal. [37:36] You get on a flight and go to Nepal [37:38] to measure this bird? [37:39] Yeah, yeah. [37:40] And we would never have known about him [37:41] had that woodcutter not gone through the village [37:43] that day and sent us the video footage. [37:46] And then there are the rules. [37:50] So rigid, they've sparked office debates [37:52] over who makes the cut for the largest gathering [37:55] of people dressed as Smurfs. [37:58] So it's like, okay, well, what is a Smurf? [38:01] What do they wear? [38:02] Do they all have blue skin? Yes. [38:04] You know, you might have to write guidelines [38:07] for any possible topic. [38:08] So we've got this huge big book [38:10] of experts, you know, from archaeologists... [38:13] To Smurfs. [38:14] To Smurfologists. [38:15] Yeah, I don't know if that's a thing. [38:16] But, you know, like, we've got a myrmecologist, [38:18] which... [38:19] What is that? [38:20] Myrmecologist, an ant expert. [38:21] So if we've got a question about [38:23] what's the most dangerous ant... [38:25] Quick, get the myrmecologist online now. [38:26] Yeah, so you get, like, [38:27] we've just found this big ant. [38:28] Is it the biggest? [38:29] For large events like the New Haven Pizza Party... [38:32] I am today's official [38:34] Guinness World Records adjudicator, [38:35] so I'm basically the judge. [38:37] Guinness World Records sometimes sends [38:39] an adjudicator responsible for enforcing [38:42] the rules from headquarters. [38:44] So you're gonna write how many people [38:45] you disqualified. [38:46] Hopefully that is a nice big round zero. [38:49] Thomas Bradford is one of 81 adjudicators [38:52] the company employs across six continents. [38:55] His day job is as a performer at Disney. [38:58] But when it's go time, [39:00] he puts on his trademark blue jacket. [39:03] The largest gathering of people [39:04] dressed as dinosaurs [39:05] was one of my favorite events. [39:07] And you kind of expect people [39:08] to just come in, [39:09] the classic, you know, [39:10] inflatable T-Rex costume. [39:11] What do they come in? [39:12] Diplodocus, Triceratops, [39:14] like, you name it, we had it. [39:16] Legit gear. [39:17] Everything. [39:18] I had to turn away people [39:19] that were dressed as Godzilla [39:20] because Godzilla is not a dinosaur. [39:21] How do you break it to a dinosaur [39:23] in a bad costume that they don't qualify? [39:25] You kind of just have to play the role. [39:28] I think my accent helps, [39:29] and there is a level of, you know, [39:30] authority that comes with a British accent. [39:32] School principal. [39:33] Very much that. [39:34] The largest pizza party [39:36] is probably the most competitive record [39:37] that I've ever been a part of. [39:39] Is that true? [39:40] I didn't think it would be as, [39:41] it's a lot, yes. [39:43] They stressing you out? [39:44] This is probably one of the most [39:45] stressful record attempts I've had. [39:47] Colin Kaplan needs 3,358 people [39:51] to show up in order to beat the current record. [39:55] You want to beat Tulsa? [39:56] We're going to beat Tulsa, Oklahoma. [39:58] Participants get 15 minutes [40:00] to eat two slices of pizza [40:02] and drink a bottle of water. [40:04] But here's the catch. [40:06] They have to stay until the party [40:07] is officially over, and... [40:10] They must eat [40:11] the entire pizza. [40:12] No one can leave their crusts. [40:15] They have to eat the crust. [40:17] What makes a pizza party like this [40:19] so difficult? [40:20] People. [40:21] Yeah. [40:22] It's, you know, [40:23] you don't know if they're going to [40:24] stay for 15 minutes. [40:25] They might wait for 14 and be like, [40:26] I'm fine. [40:27] You're disqualified [40:29] if you leave after 14 minutes, [40:30] you know? [40:31] So that's, [40:32] people is the toughest thing. [40:34] This official [40:35] Guinness World Records attempt [40:36] has begun! [40:38] At first, it was slow going. [40:42] What if, like, [40:43] you have people show up [40:44] or have you guys already accounted? [40:45] But then, [40:46] in came the pizza obsessed. [40:50] College students, [40:52] children, [40:53] those in their finest [40:54] pepperoni attire. [40:56] It's 10,000 slices, [40:57] which is 625 pizzas [40:59] in about three and a half hours. [41:02] Kaplan's pursuit of a record [41:03] didn't come cheap. [41:05] Brands and businesses [41:06] chasing titles for marketing [41:08] must pay fees. [41:10] He said he paid nearly $30,000 [41:13] and fundraised six figures [41:14] to cover all the costs, [41:16] including eight ovens [41:18] and all that cheese. [41:20] There you are. [41:21] Thank you so much. [41:22] When Thomas Bradford [41:23] wasn't busy being a celebrity, [41:27] he and a group of 100 volunteers [41:29] kept the tally. [41:30] Only two didn't finish? [41:32] Yes. [41:33] One left? [41:34] Perfect, okay. [41:35] With an hour to go... [41:36] It's gonna go to the wire, [41:37] I think. [41:38] It's gonna be close. [41:39] Kaplan was still trying [41:40] to make the pie calculations add up. [41:42] We could actually feed 1,800 people [41:46] starting at 6 o'clock still. [41:47] Okay, okay. [41:48] And that means that we could [41:49] 100% beat the record [41:50] and almost get to 5,000. [41:52] So did they? [41:53] Finally, the verdict. [41:56] And now, New Haven is home [41:58] to the world's largest pizza party. [42:01] 4,525 people gathered [42:05] for a new Guinness World Record. [42:07] Congratulations. [42:10] Officially amazing. [42:14] And a slice of history. [42:17] Human beings are nearly [42:19] the same everywhere. [42:20] They are, really, [42:21] because they're trying to get through [42:22] from birth to death [42:24] and have as much fun [42:25] and enjoy life [42:26] and get all the experiences [42:27] that you can. [42:28] And we see this every day. [42:30] The world is full of these [42:31] amazing, fun things [42:32] if we just look in the right place. [42:34] The last minute of 60 Minutes [42:44] is sponsored by UnitedHealthcare. [42:47] Coverage you can count on [42:48] for your whole life ahead. [42:50] Our teams travel the world [42:55] to find the stories [42:56] that we share here on 60 Minutes. [42:58] But often, it's viewers [42:59] who come to us [43:00] with newsworthy tips. 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