Trump Address Iran War In Historic Speech

[0:04] In one hour, Donald Trump will address the nation on what is currently going on with the Iran war, [0:09] and speculation is running rampant. [0:11] Many people believe that he is going to announce he is winding things down. [0:15] The Iranian government has suffered a regime change, and there's new leadership. [0:19] And he already announced that they are begging for a ceasefire. [0:23] At the same time, troop movements still indicate that we may be planning an invasion of Karg Island. [0:27] So we shall see. [0:29] And in one hour, we will be here live to hear what the president has to say. [0:33] In the meantime, oh boy, we've got a lot to talk about. [0:36] Matt Gaetz claims that there's a secret government program kidnapping illegal immigrants [0:41] and making them breed with space aliens. [0:43] That's not a joke. [0:44] It was yesterday. [0:46] So everybody was like, was this April Fool's? [0:47] And I was like, it was yesterday, actually. [0:49] So maybe he preempted April Fool's. [0:52] Or, sure, I guess, whatever. [0:54] I mean, Artemis II just left. [0:56] They're on their way to the moon, and it was awesome. [0:58] And all of the moon landing deniers are sweating and gripping their seats. [1:02] Shane Cashman was affected. [1:03] Shaking. [1:04] Shaking. [1:04] Shane most affected. [1:05] I love you, Shane. [1:07] I love you. [1:08] But the big news, of course, is the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on birthright citizenship. [1:14] And it sounds like they are inclined to deny Donald Trump. [1:17] We're not sure exactly, but it looks like their attitude is, nah, if you're born here, you're a citizen. [1:22] So we'll talk about that and more. [1:23] Before we do, we've got a great sponsor, my friends. [1:26] It is Beam Dream. [1:28] Go to shopbeam.com slash timpool and pick up your nighttime blend. [1:34] To support better sleep. [1:35] I drink this every single night. 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[3:04] You might consider doing it. [3:06] Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Michael Malice. [3:09] Happy April Fool's, Tim. [3:11] It's your favorite day. [3:12] It gets up there. [3:14] We had a fun thing planned, which fell through, which we're going to have to do next April Fool's. [3:17] But I'm excited to be here and talk about this birthday assistantship. [3:20] Oh, yeah. [3:21] I'm excited, too. [3:21] It's going to be great. [3:22] Of course, Ian is hanging out. [3:23] Hi. [3:24] We've got Carter Banks producing. [3:26] What up? [3:26] And you know him, you love him, Phil Labonte. [3:29] Tomorrow's my birthday. [3:30] For people who are only listening, he was just doing devil horns. [3:33] I don't normally tell. [3:34] I don't normally tell people, but tomorrow's my birthday. [3:35] So let's make a big deal out of it. [3:36] Tomorrow's your birthday? [3:37] April 2nd, 4 a.m. [3:38] I was almost born on the 1st. [3:40] I thought your birthday was April 20th. [3:41] No, it was the 2. [3:42] You probably got it. [3:43] Oh, 420? [3:44] Oh, God. [3:45] No, I dated a girl on 419. [3:46] It was actually not a weed joke. [3:47] It was a Hitler joke. [3:48] My dad's birthday was on 418. [3:50] Let's talk about. [3:51] Birthdays only matter for children who are in weed, man. [3:54] Speaking of Hitler, we have this story from NPR. [3:57] Supreme Court majority seems inclined to rule against Trump on birthright citizenship. [4:02] I'm just going to come out right away and say it. [4:05] Based on what the Supreme Court was saying, it sounds like we's cooked. [4:08] Like this country cannot stand. [4:11] And we actually have one of the arguments. [4:14] We have a video here, which is fascinating. [4:16] I'm going to play this for you. [4:17] This is John Sauer, the U.S. Solicitor General, arguing that the framers of the 14th could [4:23] never have predicted airplanes and 8 billion people coming to this country or 500 birth [4:31] tourism companies. [4:33] Here's how John Roberts responds. [4:36] Apparently, there's no audio coming through quietly at first and then all at once. [4:40] Yeah. [4:40] Why aren't we getting any audio? [4:41] It was my fault. [4:44] Twitter was was was muted. [4:45] That based on Chinese media reports, there are 500 500 birth tourism companies in the [4:52] People's Republic of China whose what business is to bring people here to give birth and [4:57] return to to to that nation. [5:00] Having said all that, you do agree that that has no impact on the legal analysis before [5:05] us. [5:06] I think it's I quote what Justice Scalia said in his Hamdan dissent, where they were like [5:11] their interpretation has these implications that could not possibly have been approved [5:16] by the 19th century framers of this amendment. [5:19] I think that shows that they've made a mess. [5:22] Their interpretation has made a mess of the provision. [5:24] Well, it certainly wasn't a problem in the 19th century. [5:27] No, but of course, we're in a new world now, as Justice Alito pointed out to where 8 billion [5:31] people are one plane ride away from having a child as a U.S. citizen. [5:35] Well, it's a new world. [5:36] It's the same constitution. [5:38] It is. [5:40] And as Justice Scalia said, I think in the case that Justice Alito was referring to, [5:44] you've got a constitutional provision that addresses certain evils and it should be extended [5:49] to reasonably comparable evils. [5:50] He said that about stature interpretation. [5:51] I think the same principle applies here. [5:53] And I think we quote that in our brief. [5:54] I would argue he's correct. [5:57] John Sauer, the U.S. [5:58] Solicitor General, is correct in his assessment that the Fourth Amendment does not address [6:03] the birth tourism companies and illegal immigrants. [6:06] Real quick. [6:07] The principal argument made by John Sauer was that Wong Kim Ark stated a domiciled immigrant [6:14] in this country who has a child. [6:17] That child will be a U.S. citizen. [6:20] And the argument from John Sauer is that illegal immigrants are not domiciled here. [6:24] And Alito points out correctly, if they are subject to removal at any point, it would [6:29] be impossible for them to be domiciled here. [6:31] He then brings up the issue of birth tourism, where they enter here either illegally or [6:37] under false pretenses. [6:39] They fly to Guam, give birth and go back. [6:41] And now those. [6:42] What's up? [6:43] Or California, not even Guam. [6:44] But Guam is a big issue because it's so easy for them to get to it. [6:47] They go to lots of places, not just Guam. [6:49] Yeah. [6:49] So the issue that I see here is I believe John Sauer's argument in this regard is correct [6:54] that the Fourth Amendment does not address birthright citizenship in these contexts. [7:00] And the Supreme Court does need to answer. [7:01] And if they want to answer, you are wrong. [7:04] That's fine. [7:04] But to simply say, but, you know, the Constitution says, [7:07] it's the same, so we're not going to do anything, does not answer these questions. [7:10] So it is correct of John Sauer to say, you must address this. [7:16] I am against birthright citizenship, period. [7:18] I want that to be clear. [7:20] But I also think if you agree with a legal conclusion, you might disagree with the legal [7:26] reasoning to get to that conclusion. [7:27] Yeah. [7:28] So if someone is pro-choice, it's still fair to say that Roe v. Wade was bad law. [7:33] A lot of people can't wrap their heads around this, right? [7:34] Yes, 100%. [7:35] His argument about this is New World is the same. [7:37] It's the same argument every crappy leftist says with the Second Amendment. [7:40] It's going to make the exact same argument. [7:41] Yes, absolutely. [7:42] We had no internet when the Bill of Rights was passed. [7:46] The First Amendment applies to the internet. [7:48] They didn't have AR-15s when the Second Amendment was passed. [7:51] The Second Amendment applies to... [7:53] And to your point about this is going to be deleterious to America, correct. [7:57] I don't dispute that. [7:58] The mechanism for remedying this is Congress, the legislative branch. [8:02] That is what their point is. [8:03] Actually, I have to interrupt. [8:05] Okay. [8:05] The Supreme Court just said, in fact, not correct. [8:08] That the Fourth Amendment was crafted specifically so that Congress could not intervene. [8:12] No, no, no. [8:13] I'm not talking about the Fourth Amendment. [8:14] I'm saying if there is a problem legislatively, it has to be solved. [8:17] Not unilaterally. [8:18] This is the 14th Amendment that's being challenged, right? [8:21] If there... [8:21] This has been decades of law, which I don't agree with. [8:24] And it's judicial precedent, not codified law. [8:27] But there's also something called stare decisis, which is what John Roberts was voted in on. [8:32] Which is his point is, if something has been around for a long time, it should take a lot to... [8:37] Indeed. [8:37] For the Supreme Court to overturn. [8:38] But my point is simply that Congress cannot remedy this, as per the argument from the [8:42] Supreme Court, that the Fourth Amendment was crafted specifically so that Congress would [8:45] not intervene in what determines... [8:47] They can undo an amendment. [8:48] They can do all sorts of things. [8:50] Yeah. [8:50] The Congress... [8:51] They can repeal it. [8:53] Congress through state ratification? [8:54] Or what do you mean? [8:55] Like two-thirds of... [8:55] Just like with the Prohibition Amendment. [8:57] If something is not working out, you go through the legislative process. [9:00] Right, right. [9:00] The point... [9:00] And I'm not... [9:01] I don't believe in law. [9:01] If your argument is the amendment should be repealed, agreed... [9:05] Or clarified. [9:06] Or clarified. [9:06] Or clarified. [9:06] Or clarified. [9:06] Or clarified. [9:06] Or clarified. [9:06] Or clarified. [9:06] Or clarified. [9:06] Congress can't pass a law... [9:07] Pass a law clarifying this was the Supreme Court's argument. [9:10] Right. [9:10] But they can... [9:11] So they would have to repeal the 14th. [9:12] Right. [9:13] Or re-edit it. [9:14] You know what I mean? [9:14] Repeal and replace. [9:15] I would argue this. [9:17] I would argue exigent circumstances. [9:20] The idea that we would say the internet wasn't covered by the First Amendment because the [9:25] founding fathers didn't understand that. [9:27] My response is, well, the internet is an issue of increase in speed of speech, not an issue [9:33] of foreign adversaries can take control of our country. [9:36] The foreign adversaries use... [9:37] They use the First Amendment all the time. [9:38] They run ops on social media every fucking day. [9:41] Every fucking day. [9:42] And there's a big difference between a foreigner coming here and speaking or flooding us, which [9:46] are threats, which we can address, and a Chinese national becoming the president and dismantling [9:50] our country. [9:51] First of all, our country hasn't been dismantled. [9:52] And I would much rather, in a sense... [9:54] But we're not arguing that it is. [9:55] I'd much rather have 10,000 illegal immigrants become citizens than half the stuff that all [10:00] these other countries run in American citizenry. [10:02] All these other countries what? [10:04] All these ops that they run on social media in American citizenry. [10:06] So again, the point is... [10:07] This is the first man on you that you saw before you started. [10:09] If your argument is that China is attacking us, we can repel these attacks through sound [10:14] government. [10:15] We can repel these attacks through focus, knowledge, and the collective defense, whatever [10:20] that may be. [10:21] Sure. [10:22] On the issue of guns, the founding fathers actually did know that private individuals [10:26] had weapons of mass destruction. [10:28] I'm just saying this is an argument that lefties use all the time. [10:30] I disagree. [10:31] It's not. [10:32] They don't use that argument? [10:33] It's not the same argument. [10:34] It is. [10:35] It's literally the same argument. [10:36] Again, I'm literally addressing. [10:37] I'm not saying the founding fathers didn't know about machine guns. [10:39] Yes, they did. [10:40] They had repeaters. [10:41] They knew about these weapons. [10:43] They knew about weapons of mass destruction. [10:45] I'm agreeing with the lefties. [10:46] I'm saying... [10:47] This argument is not an argument on technology. [10:50] This argument is the foundation of the country, of our governance cannot function because [10:56] of these new exploits that are attacking it. [10:59] And all we need now is the Supreme Court to say narrowly if someone... [11:04] The Supreme Court can say... [11:05] If an elite... [11:06] If a Honduran, for example, enters the country illegally and seeks to live here and gives [11:12] birth to a child, they can say, that child is a citizen. [11:15] However, if an individual comes here through birth tourism, they are not. [11:20] They could do that. [11:21] More importantly, I think the end result of this, and that's what's so shocking about [11:25] John Roberts' argument is, the Supreme Court went leaps and bounds to say, even Ketanji [11:29] Brown Jackson, allegiance can be temporary. [11:32] And she is correct. [11:34] Many people are making fun of her for saying this. [11:35] She goes, if I go to Japan... [11:36] If I go to Japan and I steal someone's wallet, I am subject to their laws. [11:42] They can arrest me. [11:43] That is temporary allegiance to their system. [11:45] In fact, if someone steals my wallet, they will remedy that for me, which is temporary [11:49] allegiance. [11:50] She is correct. [11:52] However, she actually just argued why they should end birthright citizenship, because [11:57] the people who intentionally break our laws have shown they have no allegiance to our [12:01] system. [12:02] I'm not arguing with you at all that birthright citizenship should be ended. [12:04] I agree with you. [12:05] That was literally the first thing I said. [12:06] I agree with you. [12:07] So in this context, when he says, we have these birth tourism things, the argument is, [12:14] if a person intentionally violates our laws for the purpose of exploiting this, it should [12:20] not be allowed. [12:21] And Roberts' response is, I don't care. [12:24] This is the way it is. [12:26] Because first of all, it's the child who's being in the legal... [12:29] This is not my point of view, by the way, I just want to be clear, because people... [12:32] I'm trying to steel man Roberts' point of view. [12:35] His point of view is, it's the kid who's not the criminal, because the child can't... [12:36] I'm trying to steel man Roberts' point of view. [12:37] His point of view is, it's the kid who's not the criminal, because the child can't... [12:38] I'm trying to steel man Roberts' point of view. [12:39] His point of view is, it's the kid who's not the criminal, because the child cannot be [12:40] guilty of a crime. [12:41] His point of view is, it's the kid who's not the criminal, because the child cannot be [12:42] guilty of a crime. [12:43] They still should be given the rewards of citizenship. [12:44] I don't agree with that. [12:45] What I'm saying is, it's very... [12:46] That's not his argument. [12:47] Let me finish. [12:48] It's just very dangerous when you have a president unilaterally deciding the law, because in [12:50] four years... [12:51] First of all, there's another point to this. [12:53] They were pointing out, well, if this is true, and you vote, you judge the way Sauer [12:58] wants, you're going to de-citizenize, or whatever the term is, many people who have been regarded [13:03] citizens for years. [13:04] He's saying, no, it's just going to go forward, not retroactively. [13:07] That's not what they argued. [13:09] Yeah, just from now, they're not going to de-naturalize. [13:12] That's right. [13:13] But legally speaking, if you're going to overturn birthright citizenship, it would make much [13:18] more sense to remove the citizenship of people who are birthright citizens than to just say [13:22] going forward. [13:23] Do you not agree? [13:24] Why? [13:25] I don't, personally, because that would be challenging. [13:26] Explain. [13:27] Because if you're saying birthright citizenship is illegitimate, and the analysis of the 14th [13:32] Amendment that's been going on for whatever, 80 years, however, is wrong. [13:35] Then all those people who had currently been regarded citizenship through birthright citizenship [13:39] should retroactively not be regarded citizens. [13:42] Why? [13:43] Because it was never correct law to begin with. [13:45] I suppose the argument is to the Supreme Court asking, the Solicitor General said, that would [13:51] create a massive bureaucracy, which would be impossible. [13:54] And so if you can't provide the remedy, you can at least provide injunction. [13:59] Are you opposed to people who are the citizens as a result of birthright tourism to have [14:04] their citizenship stripped? [14:05] Within a certain timeframe. [14:06] What's that? [14:08] What do you mean? [14:09] What do you mean? [14:10] So if someone's 30 years old and their parents were illegal immigrants, but they've been [14:12] living here for 30, like they were born here and they lived here for 30 years, it makes [14:16] no sense. [14:17] But legally, in a legal sense, how do you make that distinction? [14:19] If something's wrong, it's wrong. [14:21] Because we're not robots and the law is not drawn by mathematical absolutes. [14:25] One of the biggest mistakes, I love this point, that people tend to make is that they think [14:29] that if the words are written on a piece of paper, it's law and it must be. [14:32] And then like one of the jokes you'll see. [14:35] Is there's an old trope where a guy is doing surveys out in the street or he's doing petitions [14:41] and he's like, we want to save the forests. [14:43] Can you fill out my petition saying you want to help save the forest? [14:45] And they're signing a power of attorney form. [14:47] And then people go like, oh man, Netflix did a show where a woman's life was being turned [14:53] into a TV show. [14:54] And they said, when you signed up for Netflix, the terms of service, that is not real. [14:58] That's not real. [14:59] If you go, if I asked Ian, would you like to buy this gavel from me, I'll drop a sales [15:04] contract. [15:05] And it said, I, he's now indentured to me, or I own his home. [15:10] He'd go to court and say, I wasn't giving my home to him. [15:13] I'll say, I have a contract right here saying he was, the judge will say, shut your, get [15:16] out of my court. [15:17] Case, the contract is dissolved, end of story. [15:19] That's why judges exist. [15:20] No, no, that's not okay. [15:21] There is actually. [15:22] Yes, it's interpretation. [15:23] You didn't even know what I was going to say. [15:24] You're telling me. [15:25] You said that's not. [15:26] And then I responded. [15:27] It is. [15:28] I didn't finish the sentence. [15:29] I was going to say, that's not a hypothetical. [15:30] These are real cases. [15:31] There's a, there's a guy named John Hasnas, his essay, uh, the myth of objective laws [15:35] in the anarchist handbook. [15:36] And these are real legal cases. [15:37] There was a woman, old woman, she signed up for like salsa lessons and it was like a thousand [15:42] dollars a lesson. [15:43] And, and he sued her and she went to the judge and judge said exactly what you said with [15:46] the age. [15:47] Like, this is ridiculous. [15:48] It's out. [15:49] However, there's the other worldview, a legal view of what's written is the law. [15:54] The judge should not interpret it and they should just basically go exactly by what it [15:58] says. [15:59] That's happened. [16:00] Let me say one point. [16:01] This happened with when Roe v. Wade was overturned in Arizona, when Roe v. Wade was overturned, [16:05] actually nationwide, there had been this law from Arizona, like 1879 or something that [16:09] said abortion is illegal. [16:10] And like, what do we do? [16:12] Because now that law is on the books, Roe v. Wade is no longer overturning it. [16:15] And they just pretend to not, they just pretend it wasn't there. [16:17] It is in New York city. [16:21] It is law that you can wear any clothing you want to work and go by any name you want. [16:26] And as a, as any individual subject to any public accommodation, you must be accommodated [16:31] equally as to any other person. [16:33] Okay. [16:34] Which means. [16:35] I called a human rights attorney and asked him this. [16:37] If I went to Harlem dressed like a Southern plantation owner, right? [16:41] And when they asked me my name, I said it was Massa. [16:43] Are they legally required to say that name as they say everyone's name when their drink [16:47] is ready? [16:48] And he said, no. [16:49] And I said, well, hold on. [16:50] New York city's human rights law specifically States, they must be equal. [16:56] And Massa is an Iberian name. [16:57] It's Spain and Mediterranean. [16:58] It's a common name. [17:00] If they're offended by my culture, why could they deny that? [17:02] And he said, because it will be viewed as. [17:05] Culturally insensitive and they don't have to do it. [17:07] And then I said, and if I sued, he said, the judge would laugh you out of the courtroom. [17:10] That's how real life works. [17:12] But Tim, you're talking to two anarchists and I'm agreeing with you. [17:15] There's no such thing as objective law. [17:16] And my point is what you are describing is that the left lies and cheats for power and [17:21] we are just subject to it. [17:22] Yes. [17:23] That's what government is. [17:24] Which is why John Roberts should say no birthright citizenship. [17:27] Have a nice day. [17:28] I fine, but my point is it's a slippery and I'm not saying it's wrong. [17:33] I don't want birthright citizenship. [17:34] Okay. [17:35] You have this idea that the president is whoever he is, is going to unilaterally decide [17:39] things which affect millions of people through executive order. [17:43] Wait until the next democratic president. [17:44] You mean when they did and already did that with DACA. [17:47] And then we sat back and did nothing. [17:49] So every time a Republican gets in, who is America, the American people, the American [17:52] people. [17:53] So the Democrat gets in and bangs a gavel by decree and we go, okay. [17:57] And then, but when the Republican gets in, we'll do nothing. [17:59] You yourself just said that you're in favor of DACA. [18:01] You said if they're here for 30 years, you shouldn't get rid of them. [18:03] That's not DACA. [18:04] The point is, if you're, what's it stand for? [18:07] There were six year olds who have been here for 13 years. [18:10] They should go. [18:11] Fine. [18:12] You're just numbering. [18:13] You're just arguing over the number. [18:14] You're exceeding their point. [18:15] And I don't think that's wrong. [18:17] The issue is as human beings, we try to find how to navigate for when we change the system. [18:22] DACA is not born here. [18:23] I said, if someone was born here by illegal immigrants, anchor babies, and they've been [18:27] here for 30 years, it makes no sense. [18:29] If you were brought here as a child and you've been here for 20 years, knowing full well [18:33] that are OB, you know, 13 years ago. [18:34] Whatever that Obama signed an executive order granting you some kind of temporary status. [18:39] I'm sorry. [18:40] It's time for you to go home. [18:41] I think it's, it's a very odd line to draw between you were born here and you came here [18:45] when you were four. [18:46] No, it's not. [18:47] It's pretty simple. [18:48] Okay. [18:49] I'm not saying it's not simple. [18:50] I'm just saying. [18:51] And more to the point, the issue is navigating a solution means you will have imperfect outcomes, [18:55] but we're trying to find which makes the most sense. [18:57] It's not a zero sum game. [18:59] We will not be, it's not physically possible to round up everybody who was born here as [19:02] an anchor baby. [19:03] So we say. [19:04] It's going to be impossible. [19:05] What is possible is denaturalizing some people who are probably under the age of one and [19:11] DACA is rescinded. [19:13] That's easy. [19:14] We can just say that. [19:15] I don't think it's as easy as you think it is specifically for the reason is there's [19:18] an enormous infrastructure in this country through NGOs and other agencies. [19:22] That's a different argument. [19:23] But you're saying it's just because something is conceptually the Supreme Court says this [19:28] is how we're interpreting this. [19:30] Then we start to navigate NGOs. [19:32] It's not all at the same time. [19:33] But the point is. [19:34] It's just because something might be conceptually simple does not at all mean it's going to [19:38] be simple to put into practice. [19:40] Agreed. [19:41] Okay. [19:42] And so the simplest solution would not be you were born as an anchor baby 30 years ago. [19:45] We're going to find everybody who was that would be extremely that's that's bureaucratically [19:50] impossible to do. [19:51] We can say all of the Chinese birth tourism kids void and we can do that fairly easily. [19:57] I don't think we can do that fairly easily. [19:59] Well fairly easily. [20:00] It's a relative statement. [20:01] I'm saying it would be substantially easier than finding a 30 year old. [20:04] Yeah. [20:04] A 30 year old guy born here and being like we're taking your citizenship. [20:06] Sure. [20:07] But I think. [20:08] And we have to. [20:09] We can't allow Chinese nationals, a legion of the Communist Party, to hold office in [20:12] the United States. [20:13] I agree with you. [20:14] I agree that there should be no birthright citizenship. [20:16] My point is the firmer the path there, the more it's going to stick. [20:20] And I think this is a very tenuous path to abolishing it. [20:23] And I don't think the justices at all seem inclined to go for this. [20:26] Yeah. [20:27] Because again, the. [20:28] That's my point. [20:29] The argument from it does look like Kavanaugh is sympathetic to Trump. [20:33] Thomas. [20:34] And Roberts is on the fence. [20:36] And Amy Coney Barrett seems to be leaning away. [20:38] So it looks like it might be. [20:39] I think it's going to be 6-3 or 7-2. [20:40] It's likely 6-3. [20:41] And I think the important thing is I think people on the right often are like, if we [20:46] don't get it this way, like it's a wrap, throw their hands in the air. [20:50] If you look at Democrats, whatever issue they had, including the ERA, they fight for it for [20:55] decades. [20:56] They never give up. [20:57] They're like, let's try this route. [20:58] Let's try this. [20:59] Let's try this route. [21:00] So I would tell people who are opposed to birthright citizenship, as I am, if this goes [21:04] down, as it almost certainly will, don't say like, well, America's done. [21:08] It's a wrap. [21:09] There are other mechanisms. [21:10] There are things you can do to restrict the capacity of people to become citizens. [21:14] There's two large problems. [21:15] One. [21:16] Women. [21:17] Wow. [21:18] Don't we know it. [21:19] As they vote and they vote for these things. [21:21] But all joking aside, as we've already stated, Barack Obama gets in and by decree says these [21:27] people have permanent status. [21:28] By decree. [21:29] No, no. [21:30] Let's clarify that. [21:31] By decree, he says, I'm not going to force the law. [21:32] He literally. [21:33] I mean, all the lefty newspapers said, well, it's something called prosecutor prosecutorial [21:38] discretion. [21:39] You can sometimes just. [21:40] And then when Trump said, we'll rescind it, this court said you can't write. [21:43] So the issue we have is Democrats rule by decree every time they get in and Republicans [21:48] are constrained and must sit back. [21:50] It's not that it's not just Democrats, it's that our judicial system is heavily in favor [21:54] of the Democratic perspective. [21:56] Right. [21:57] So however you want to frame this problem, this problem exists. [21:58] Yes. [21:59] The second problem is that now that the Supreme Court is is offered up this. [22:03] The conservatives are the people who say, I know that this is destroying my home, my [22:10] way of life and the the the gifts that I will leave my children. [22:15] But it's the right thing to do. [22:16] And Democrats are like, thank you for bending the knee and dying for me. [22:19] Well, like if I had a bunch of like cattle walk onto my property, I'd want to be like, [22:24] I need to get these cattle off my property. [22:26] That doesn't mean that any means necessarily. [22:28] If I just. [22:29] When you want free cattle. [22:30] What's that? [22:31] When you want free cattle. [22:32] What if I just slaughtered? [22:33] If I just slaughtered all the cattle. [22:34] Like, bro, that's probably illegal, firstly, because they're not yours, even though they're [22:36] on your property. [22:37] Yeah. [22:39] So this is old law, bro. [22:40] You can't kill just cows on your property. [22:42] There's there's this is one of the most common problems is America. [22:46] One of the most common problems that Americans have faced is cattle going on someone else's [22:49] property. [22:50] So so there's ways. [22:51] Oh, yeah. [22:52] It belongs to somebody. [22:53] OK, I think they're right. [22:54] There's ways to remove the wild problem on your property, like the problem on your property [22:57] being like noncitizens. [23:00] There's ways to get rid of them that don't imply like you can't just everything all at [23:03] once. [23:04] You can't you can't necessarily evict every seven month old that was. [23:08] So I don't. [23:09] I got to tell you, as someone who wasn't born in this country, sorry to interrupt you. [23:11] Wait, wait, wait. [23:12] What? [23:14] Really? [23:15] I out. [23:16] Look who's talking. [23:17] I think legal immigration is probably a bigger problem than illegal immigration. [23:20] Why? [23:21] Yeah, because for myriad reasons, because first of all, there's a universe. [23:24] And I'm saying this is illegal immigrant. [23:26] There's a universal belief that like legal immigration is sacrosanct, that this is something [23:30] we need more of, that if someone's illegal immigrant, they're like beyond the pale. [23:34] In terms of criticism. [23:36] It's crazy. [23:37] No. [23:38] Immigration is a hose valve that you open and close. [23:39] That's right. [23:40] On the situation. [23:41] Exactly. [23:42] America is overloaded with immigrants at the moment. [23:43] We don't need. [23:44] And I don't vote. [23:45] We got robots coming up, too. [23:46] So there's going to be another underclass of workers that are robots. [23:47] They're not going to be underclass. [23:48] They're just going to be machines. [23:49] Yeah. [23:50] They wouldn't be a class. [23:51] They'll just be augmented. [23:52] Our workforce. [23:53] I mean, that's like calling cars underclass. [23:54] Right. [23:55] Like, I mean, you get cars replaced animals as transportation. [23:59] They're not an underclass. [24:00] They're just machines. [24:01] As an anarchist. [24:02] I just need to stress. [24:04] We must assert our authority, our power over the world that we want and not let other people [24:10] do so. [24:11] Okay. [24:12] That's true. [24:13] But I'm saying I think I have much less power than the Supreme Court does. [24:15] You think that Congress has to address this? [24:17] I think that is that is what the founding fathers would have. [24:19] Okay. [24:20] But hold on. [24:21] So again, to clarify what you're saying is Congress should repeal the 14th Amendment. [24:23] Yes. [24:24] Appeal and change. [24:25] However that works. [24:26] They can amend it. [24:27] They don't they don't have to. [24:28] But clarify it. [24:29] Here's how you do it. [24:30] I'm no seriousness. [24:31] They can clarify it and have the Supreme Court validate that clarification. [24:34] That's how I would like it. [24:36] I think that I think this this this argument is the structure of our government is conducive [24:46] to its own destruction. [24:47] Yes. [24:48] Yes. [24:49] That's the problem. [24:50] That's the First Amendment, too. [24:51] It's it should apply to source code. [24:52] Like you want to talk about free speech on the Internet. [24:54] These machines are talking to each other with code like, okay, it's a whole other rabbit [24:58] hole. [24:59] Yeah, I say one more thing. [25:00] I also I think you'd agree about source code. [25:02] No. [25:03] Okay. [25:04] Thank God. [25:05] I think it's easy. [25:06] I think it's easy. [25:07] Illegal immigration is a huge problem, especially the numbers we saw during the Biden administration. [25:13] But there's plenty of American citizens who are also a huge problem. [25:16] We got to go. [25:17] Yeah. [25:18] That point is, even if you banished every illegal immigrant tomorrow, the idea that [25:20] America is somehow going to be saved, I think, is inaccurate. [25:23] No, but actually, if if you did, if if the children of immigrants did not vote, Republicans [25:28] would win every election. [25:29] So what if it's true in order to write President McCain? [25:32] We got it. [25:33] If you're going to be a citizen, one of your parents has to be a citizen. [25:36] Yeah. [25:39] End of story. [25:40] So the lie that we see in the corporate press, they said Trump put a statement saying we're [25:43] the only country stupid enough to do this. [25:45] And then CNN, The New York Times, they're like, not true. [25:47] Thirty countries do, which is a lie. [25:49] It's there. [25:50] We are the only country there. [25:52] There are a lot of countries that claim a birthright citizenship, but it all has a prerequisite [25:56] to some form of allegiance like they have these stipulations. [26:00] You legally live here or one of your parents is a citizen. [26:02] I don't just like I don't like that argument either, because there are two types of countries. [26:05] Like our assholes. [26:06] And just because we're the only ones who do it doesn't mean it's wrong. [26:09] Like we're the only ones do it could be that we're right. [26:11] So if you're saying it's good. [26:12] No, I'm just saying that's not a good argument. [26:14] My argument is this. [26:16] We are beset on all sides by power structures that are intent on destroying us. [26:19] That's true. [26:20] And they exploit every opportunity. [26:22] And while they're setting fires, we're reviewing the contract. [26:25] Yeah, it sure feel like it's an emergency, but it shouldn't always be treated like that's [26:30] what you say about executive orders, because they'll say, hey, we have to do this now. [26:35] It's been building up for twenty five years. [26:36] We have twenty five, more than twenty five. [26:38] But we don't have to act now. [26:40] We just have to act and it has to be done right. [26:42] It's not something that's going to be solved overnight. [26:45] There has to be a long term systemic approach to this. [26:47] Why are they not like maybe if there was some kid is you have to one of your parents has [26:51] to be a citizen. [26:52] Like how complicated. [26:53] That's so simple. [26:54] It's not simple because you have a whole organization in this country for decades to keep that from [26:57] happening. [26:58] Yeah, maybe. [26:59] But hold on. [27:00] Here's an idea you're up against. [27:01] Maybe to realize maybe Trump can form like a specific law enforcement with focus on people [27:06] who are improperly naturalized that could go seek these people out. [27:11] And we could call it something like the supplemental squadron. [27:13] Like nice. [27:14] We got nice. [27:15] We call the supplemental squadron that they know S.S. and then you put S.S. on their lapels. [27:20] I think people on the right, I think people on the right underestimate how cultural left [27:25] wing America often. [27:26] Oh, yes. [27:27] Completely. [27:28] Oh, my God. [27:29] I was on Fox saying this, that people are in favor of deporting illegal immigrants, [27:32] but not through force. [27:33] Yeah, it can have these contradictory ideas in their head. [27:36] At the same time with the straight. [27:37] No, no, no, no. [27:38] But I but this is my argument. [27:39] Two years ago during the election cycle, I said if Donald Trump is to have his mass deportations, [27:44] it must be done by men wearing polo shirts and khakis. [27:46] Right. [27:47] Yeah. [27:48] I'm not even joking. [27:49] You're right. [27:50] You're speaking to my point. [27:51] Exactly. [27:52] The American people do. [27:53] I said we can't have soldiers and men invest with guns loading people into vans and dragging [27:57] them off. [27:58] No one will tolerate that. [28:00] And guess what? [28:01] This is what happened. [28:02] That's exactly right. [28:03] Trump's approval dropped on this. [28:04] The Republicans said we have to back off mass deportation. [28:06] We're hurting in the Hispanic voter bloc. [28:08] And also I don't know. [28:09] And also whites. [28:11] Yeah. [28:12] Because white women do not like seeing these images. [28:13] No, no way. [28:14] That's Carrie. [28:15] And we knew. [28:16] What did we say? [28:17] Every night this came up, we said they are going to make videos of Donald Trump. [28:19] They are going to say he's Hitler. [28:20] They're going to say he's the SS and they're loading people into trains. [28:23] And it's exactly what they've been doing. [28:24] Everyone saw coming from space. [28:25] From space. [28:26] You could see from space. [28:27] Right. [28:28] We're talking about it during the Iowa caucus. [28:29] If you want to check it, it was the first time it came up in public discourse like with [28:33] us. [28:34] You see, I'm the first one to fucking bring that up. [28:36] You see what's happening in the world? [28:37] Sorry. [28:38] But like it's first time administration didn't see that, didn't understand the optic thing [28:43] and they did it anyway. [28:44] Well, I think their point is they wanted people to be scared so they self-deport. [28:50] I think that's the argument for the suits, the military vision. [28:53] Yeah. [28:54] Because you're going to have to, a lot more going to have to be self-deported than physically [28:57] removed. [28:58] Yeah. [28:59] Yeah. [29:00] So their argument is if we make it scary, people are going to be like deuces. [29:01] I'm out of here. [29:02] Okay. [29:03] You can understand that. [29:04] That's a good, I mean, that's a relative. [29:06] Yeah. [29:06] jump to this story from ABC7. Illinois Attorney General vows to fight President Trump executive [29:12] order on mail-in voting. They say that the president signed an executive order. Now, [29:17] for those that missed this, we talked about it yesterday. It requires DHS to create a list of [29:21] all U.S. citizens eligible to vote, and then instructs the post office not to send out any [29:27] mail-in ballots to individuals who are not eligible. And that is within his authority. [29:31] Now they're vowing to fight this and sue him over it, which is where things get really interesting. [29:35] If this works, this is Trump salvo number one, Republicans win everything. [29:40] I don't think this is going to work. [29:42] Why not? [29:42] Because historically, it's the states that decide the criterions for who gets to vote. [29:46] That's going to be their argument. [29:47] And that's the argument. [29:48] I'm not against him. [29:49] No, no, no, hold on, hold on. Yes, but he's not telling the states they can't. He's saying the [29:53] post office cannot deliver them. Now that is within federal jurisdiction. [29:58] But the result, they're going to argue, and I think they're easily going to win, [30:01] that the consequence is the same. [30:03] They're not going to win legitimately, but if your argument is the judges, [30:06] and they're not going to win, they're not going to win. [30:06] I mean, if that's the argument, the argument is simply corrupt Democrats will do whatever they [30:11] want. But here's the argument Trump is making. He will have members of the post office prosecuted [30:16] if they do. [30:17] He won't. [30:19] Well, I agree that he won't actually do anything. [30:21] Right, exactly. [30:22] And it goes back to the problem we presented in the previous segment, [30:24] that Republicans just complain. Democrats are lighting things on fire [30:27] while Republicans review the contract. [30:29] Even if they try to do any kind of prosecuting or whatever, there's going to be a [30:36] judge somewhere that's going to put an injunction on it immediately. [30:39] Immediately. [30:39] There's the, what is it, Curtis Yarvin quote, that Republicans treat power the way an alcoholic, [30:46] I'm sorry, Republicans treat power the way a wine snob treats alcohol, and Democrats treat power [30:51] the way an alcoholic treats alcohol. [30:53] Yeah. And this is why the Democrats are often going to win. [30:57] Yep. [30:58] But I don't think, I think also to your point, I don't think there's the MAGA vision, even though [31:04] Trump got 51 percent, not 100 percent of those voters are MAGA. [31:07] 49.8. [31:08] Not, not all those voters are MAGA voters. [31:10] Right. [31:11] They prefer. [31:11] What does it mean to be MAGA? [31:12] I'm sorry. [31:13] Trump supporters. [31:13] I'm sorry. They prefer, they might have preferred Trump to Officer Harris, but they didn't sign [31:17] on for all this stuff. [31:18] They're not ideological. [31:19] DEI Officer Harris. [31:20] And look at Joe Rogan. [31:22] So the point is, he's got a lot less wiggle room than people expect him to, to enact things. [31:28] Yep. [31:28] And that's a problem. [31:29] And this is the problem with the right in general. [31:31] The left is a cult and the right is a fragmented network of various. [31:35] Someone should write a book about that called The New Right. [31:37] If this were to, his executive order were to go through and the post office could no [31:41] longer deliver, would the states there be able to sign up a contract with UPS? [31:45] No, there's no way. [31:47] There's no federal. [31:48] Because then you have private people handling ballots and there's no way that that's going [31:52] to be allowed. [31:53] A private company? [31:54] Yeah. [31:55] You're not going to be able to. [31:56] But our voting machines are private tally. [31:57] But they're under the jurisdiction of the, the, the, the voting officials. [32:02] Like they don't, those voting, they don't have, they don't have touching it. [32:08] I also, but I also think like Trump. [32:10] Yeah. [32:10] Isn't that these ideas are make common sense, but they're not popular. [32:15] No. [32:16] That's the problem. [32:17] Because they, they, because they're mean. [32:18] Right. [32:19] Like if, if, if we could just get people to be a little mean politically, only politically [32:25] mean for like five years, maybe two, two presidential terms mean it's actually, and that would win. [32:31] It's actually simple. [32:32] The Republicans are not willing to be evil enough. [32:34] Well, the media makes it, you can't get good because the world economic order is the Republicans [32:40] are evil. [32:41] Use our media to. [32:42] What? [32:43] Can Ian talk? [32:44] Well, you, I said something, then you addressed me. [32:45] Then Ian started talking. [32:46] And then I tried to, I tried countering what you were saying. [32:47] Okay. [32:48] Yeah. [32:49] I said, they're not evil enough. [32:51] And you made a comment, you were going to make a comment, something that, that wouldn't [32:54] accomplish it. [32:55] What was the point? [32:56] I was going to wait for Ian. [32:57] I'll, I'll talk after Ian. [32:58] Well, I said this, then you responded, but Ian started talking over you. [32:59] That's why. [33:00] I'll defer to Ian. [33:01] Let's go. [33:02] I will defer to Ian. [33:03] Okay. [33:04] So I will say it again. [33:05] The Republicans are not evil enough to solve these problems. [33:06] And I was saying that the media, that the people that are overseeing the transition [33:10] to the new world order, they're trying to destroy the United States is, you know, constitution [33:14] are making it look evil. [33:15] They're trying to make it look as evil as possible. [33:17] Right. [33:18] And we knew that that would happen. [33:19] And the Republicans aren't doing anything evil. [33:20] And it's why they're losing. [33:21] They're losing. [33:22] But the war, war is basically in the, what did Noam Chomsky say in the, in the arena [33:27] of violence, the most brutal guy wins. [33:28] That's right. [33:29] And that's the fact of reality. [33:31] When you look at the international conflict, I look at the Iran war functionally, I look [33:36] at the interventions functionally. [33:37] Is it going to benefit the American people? [33:39] Will there be massive moral damage and collateral damage? [33:42] Will the end result be net positive? [33:43] And we tend to see with these interventions a net negative. [33:45] That being said, if Trump wins in Iran, the United States will see a massive economic [33:50] net positive from control of international energy. [33:52] If we don't, China does. [33:54] That's not a moral argument. [33:56] That is an economic argument. [33:58] Right now in the United States, Donald Trump has many options to win the culture war outright [34:04] and has not done any of them. [34:07] He is doing everything above board and procedurally. [34:09] And by evil, I mean false flags. [34:12] That's the easiest example, right? [34:14] If, if Trump got some Intel guys to stage a false flag, like limits or want to do with [34:18] the Cubans, then it wouldn't matter if you're mean because the American people would beg [34:23] for the hammer. [34:24] I think there's a big asymmetry and I'm confident you all will agree between the acceptability [34:30] in our culture of leftist violence and use of power and right wing violence and use of [34:34] power. [34:35] Do you think that? [34:36] I, I, I, I don't. [34:37] I don't completely agree. [34:38] Do you think that that's a phenomenon because of the fact that the left uses views violence [34:42] as a knob and the right views violence as a switch? [34:44] I think the right correctly is more scared of the pervasiveness of violence in a culture [34:49] because they know it gets out of control. [34:51] This is why they're very much for law and order. [34:53] And I think the left is like, this is one of the tools in our toolbox and we could always [34:57] blame it on the right. [34:58] The right actively, the right does not use violence at all. [35:00] There's no switch. [35:01] This is, this is a left framing. [35:03] The left framing is that when a wackaloon guy claims he's a Christian and murders people, [35:07] he represents all Republicans and all conservatives. [35:10] Historically there have, there has been right wing violence. [35:11] So I disagree with that. [35:13] But my, my point is when we say the left is violent, we're referring to a general acceptance [35:17] of the diversity of tactics among all liberals. [35:20] And when you say the right has violence, you're referring only to the fringe crazy that no [35:23] one agrees with. [35:24] That's right. [35:25] So, so, so, so again, a guy who claims to be a Christian who goes and murders a bunch [35:28] of people does not represent anyone on the right and the right rejects it on the left. [35:32] And if it throws a mouth of at a cop and the left goes, well, we respect their tactics. [35:35] It's a legit question. [35:36] Yeah. [35:37] It's a literal, literal quote, respect the diversity of tactics. [35:41] And this is a problem. [35:42] It's asymmetrical warfare in the underdog. [35:45] They're viewed as the underdog because they're fighting against the system. [35:47] No, no, no, no. [35:48] I think why I disagree with you when you said we tolerate left and not the right. [35:52] The tolerance is not due to a perception of the violence. [35:54] It's due to a fear of the violence. [35:57] People what people don't speak up against the left because they'll lose their jobs during, [36:01] during the censorship era. [36:03] If you were at work, like the guy at Netflix who said, here's a list of racial slurs not [36:06] to say they fired him. [36:07] Right. [36:08] This censorship period, which we see now at the NBA with this crazy story. [36:12] If you at work said F Donald Trump, you're fine. [36:15] If you said F LGBTQIA, you're fired, right? [36:19] The tolerance for these threats is not because people accept their causes. [36:22] It's because they're terrified of the violence. [36:24] Also, if you speak out against the far left, they will beat you to death. [36:28] If you speak out again, I called what I referred to this as, um, uh, there's Pascal's wager [36:34] and I made a joke about it, calling it, um, Pesovic's wager or something like that. [36:38] Where I said it. [36:40] So are you familiar with, you're familiar with Pascal's wager? [36:41] Of course. [36:42] Yes. [36:44] That's Scott Adams did it. [36:45] Uh, Pascal's wager. [36:46] Scott Adams did it before he died. [36:47] Yeah. [36:48] Oh, right, right, right. [36:49] Which doesn't work. [36:50] But anyway, we spoke to Christians on the show and they're like, no, he's, he's going [36:52] to go to hell. [36:53] He's going to be without God's love. [36:54] But anyway, the point is, uh, I think our friend of this is Pesovic's wager. [36:57] We can call it Adams's wager. [36:58] It goes like this. [37:00] If you are left wing and the right wins, you are fine. [37:05] If you are left wing and the left wins, you are fine. [37:10] If you are right wing. [37:11] And the right wins, you are fine. [37:14] If you are right wing and the left wing wins, you will die. [37:17] Which means in this quadrant, normies will always avoid being right wing because the [37:22] safest bet will always be just left. [37:24] The average man does not want to be free. [37:26] Simply wants to be safe. [37:27] I was making Megan said, I disagree slightly because I do think a lot of people were in [37:31] favor of the BLM riots and not simply because of fear, they thought it was coming from a [37:36] good place. [37:37] Yes. [37:38] Yeah. [37:39] That's the leftism in this country. [37:40] I think it comes from our revolution against the King. [37:41] Because that was the rightists was the monarchy. [37:43] And so we had kind of a leftist revolution. [37:45] And then Thomas Jefferson saying, like, you know, the Tree of Liberty must be water regret [37:50] saying. [37:51] And so he wrote, I should not have said that it was sort of a leftist thing to say, like, [37:54] we need to be willing to revolution. [37:56] And then and then he wrote saying that was wrong. [37:58] And there's a lot of sentiment now in the United States, like, yeah, overthrow tyranny. [38:02] We want to. [38:03] Again, I got to stress this. [38:04] The left did not support the BLM riots. [38:05] They did not know they happened. [38:08] Michael Tracy did a great report on this. [38:10] That's fair. [38:11] Highlighting all the small towns where there was. [38:13] Massive violence. [38:14] And let's just don't know what happened in Ferguson, these other places. [38:17] There's a lot of belief, I think, in independent and left wing circles that there must be mitigating [38:22] factors. [38:23] No, no, no, no, no. [38:24] You don't get their view. [38:25] If you go to the average left liberal, they couldn't tell you what happened in Ferguson. [38:28] There was an article wrote in defense of looting. [38:31] OK. [38:32] And the perception among liberals was that black people in Ferguson rose up against the [38:36] oppressive police, busted up all the stores and took back property owned by foreigners. [38:42] OK. [38:43] So what I'm trying to say, as I was on the ground, is that the local black people were [38:46] begging the police for help to stop outsiders from looting their businesses. [38:51] The left did not know what actually happened. [38:54] They did not defend what happened. [38:55] They supported this idea that didn't exist. [38:58] Sure. [38:59] But my point is, that's my point. [39:00] They are supporting this idea of left of broadly speaking, but the clarification is when you [39:05] say there's tolerance for violence. [39:07] My disagreement is the left is wholly ignorant of the violence that is done in their names. [39:11] Sure. [39:12] And the people who are aware fear retribution by those who wield the virus, the violence. [39:17] I think there's people who are aware who don't fear the retribution or in favor of it. [39:21] So if the argument is there are there are leftist ideologues that support the violence. [39:25] Of course there are. [39:26] Sure. [39:27] The average. [39:28] I think I think there's more left wing ideologues who support left wing violence than there [39:33] are right wing ideologues who would support right wing violence. [39:35] That is correct. [39:37] But I would argue this go to any liberal and ask them about M-29 and they'll say, what's [39:40] that? [39:42] Ask them about the hundred and fifty law enforcement officers that were beaten and [39:45] attacked at during the the insurrection at the White House and they'll say that never [39:49] happened. [39:51] Yeah. [39:52] They just don't know. [39:53] And so they'll say the BLM riots may have been violent, but it was for a good cause. [39:56] You'd be like like when they mercilessly beat 100 plus cops and set fire to St. John's Church. [39:59] They'll go. [40:00] That never happened. [40:02] Or they'd hand wave it away. [40:03] That's what I don't mean that part. [40:05] There's like great examples of this with Billboard, Chris, or that there's a viral video where [40:08] he asks a guy like the guy comes up complaining, saying you're bigots. [40:12] And he says, we just don't think. [40:14] Underage girls, prepubescent girls should get their breast tissue removed. [40:18] And the kid goes, that's not happening. [40:19] And then Billboard Chris takes his phone, plays a video from a children's hospital saying [40:23] we do it. [40:24] And he goes, yeah, well, the parents are allowed to decide and he goes, but now you've changed [40:27] your position. [40:28] Well, it's Rob Henderson, which is it's not happening, right? [40:32] Yeah. [40:33] Yeah. [40:34] It's not a big deal. [40:35] It's a good thing. [40:36] Actually, the people complaining about the problem, those are four steps. [40:38] First it's you're lying. [40:39] It didn't happen. [40:40] Right now. [40:41] It's not a big deal. [40:42] If it was happening, who cares? [40:43] Not a big deal then. [40:44] Sure. [40:45] You don't care so much. [40:46] And actually, it's a good thing. [40:47] And you're then also you're the problem. [40:49] Yep. [40:50] Yeah. [40:51] You're only bringing this up to promote transphobia or racism. [40:54] You don't really care. [40:55] Which is why, you know, what's really funny is there's this we've mentioned it a little [40:58] bit because you brought it up this campaign where there's clearly AI bots that are attacking [41:03] me and a handful of other people. [41:05] So it's like me, Jack Posobiec, Tucker, there is a coordinated effort to sow discontent [41:12] on the right so that factions can't come together. [41:15] Right. [41:16] Which is really difficult, which is the issue that we have, I suppose, so long as the left [41:23] is good at this and they are fomenting hatred among right wing factions with each other, [41:29] they're going to. [41:30] They also they've also had a lot more practice. [41:31] Yep. [41:33] They've been reading a lot more books of using the media like and also 40 years of holding [41:36] Congress in a row. [41:38] We do forget about that to not hate each other. [41:40] We know I try not to use double negatives, but to love each other. [41:43] It's such a vague thing. [41:44] But it really is like Tim and Candace sitting down and hanging out and getting over it is [41:48] the antidote. [41:49] I disagree. [41:50] Yeah, I disagree. [41:51] Well, the media is. [41:52] I think I like people to hate. [41:53] Yeah, no, I think I think I think the issue is, Ian, you need to understand that evil [41:57] is real. [41:58] It doesn't mean you can't ally with it. [41:59] I agree with you that sometimes people can be horrible people, but you still need to [42:03] ally with them for an outgoing purpose. [42:05] You of course. [42:06] No. [42:07] What do you mean? [42:08] Just because you say, of course, doesn't mean that it's the Soviet Union in the United States [42:11] defeating the Nazis together. [42:12] I knew you were going to do that. [42:16] I knew it. [42:17] I knew it is signing your own death warrant. [42:19] You could have had such a better example, the main one. [42:24] The main one is you're hiring mercenaries that are just bloodthirsty killers for your [42:27] army. [42:28] Supporting a politician who's a sociopath because he's going to put policies you like. [42:30] That's an example. [42:31] That's another one we could all agree with. [42:32] Or like if Candace Owens ran for office, but she was like, we're going to end a birthright [42:36] citizenship day one. [42:37] You'd be like, if the Israeli government killed 30,000 children and we ally with them for [42:42] to destroy and take over the Middle East, that's a reasonable alliance, even though what they [42:45] did is pretty horrific. [42:46] Wait, wait, who? [42:47] They did. [42:48] Did you bring it? [42:49] Who are you referencing? [42:50] If the Israeli government slaughtered Gazans, like children in Gaza, and we allied with [42:52] them anyway for our goal, that would be like an example of allying with potentially evil, [42:58] if you want to call that evil. [42:59] I feel like that's another bad example. [43:01] Friendship alliances are not the same. [43:03] How about this? [43:04] How about even the Taliban? [43:05] Allying with the Taliban. [43:07] Because they were trying to end child rape. [43:09] So the US fought the Taliban and allied with the child rapist because they wanted to remove [43:13] the Taliban. [43:14] I would call that a very bad thing. [43:16] Didn't Obama? [43:17] Was Obama allied with ISIS? [43:18] He helped even create ISIS? [43:20] Technically, but not directly. [43:22] Obama created ISIS. [43:23] Yes. [43:24] I agree. [43:25] It's just that Obama did not sign a document saying we're going to create ISIS. [43:29] Obama armed rebel factions, which were radical Islamists, and those powers coalesced into [43:35] ISIS. [43:36] If he did not provide the weapons, then arguably ISIS would never have gained the strength [43:41] to become as large as they did. [43:43] ISIS preceded Obama. [43:44] No, it didn't. [43:47] Islamists. [43:48] Why? [43:49] Wahabi, Sunni Wahabi or whatever. [43:51] ISIS? [43:52] Am I being April Fooled? [43:53] No. [43:54] Do you know this only started after – oh my God, I'm thinking of al-Qaeda. [43:58] Sorry. [43:59] Biden moment. [44:00] Biden moment. [44:01] Oh, you're thinking of al-Qaeda. [44:02] It was confusing. [44:03] Holy crap. [44:04] I thought you meant al-Qaeda. [44:05] No, no, no. [44:06] Yup. [44:07] This is all on me. [44:08] So what happens is – [44:09] No, no. [44:10] You're right. [44:11] You're right. [44:12] You're right. [44:13] I'll just explain for people. [44:14] Syria falls into chaos in protest. [44:15] Damn. [44:16] Assad is accused of having his security forces shoot armed protesters. [44:17] Right. He calls them terrorists. [44:17] Right. He calls them terrorists. [44:17] He calls them terrorists. [44:17] calls them terrorists. This creates a bunch of splinter factions. There were around 12, [44:22] the Free Syrian Army being one of the most prominent. Obama, his policy was, it was, [44:26] what was it, Timberwood or whatever? Sycamore, Timber Sycamore. Yes, yeah, yeah, Timber Sycamore, [44:32] I think it was, to provide weapons to rebel factions in Syria because they will remove [44:37] Assad, and Assad was in the way of our gas pipeline. Well, the problem is these factions [44:42] were secular and fairly weak, and the Islamic fundamentalists started to take control of these [44:46] factions and coalesce them into a single group that wanted just the caliphate. That isn't what [44:52] Obama was trying to do, arguably. Someone argued he was, and it didn't, he didn't make ISIS happen. [44:58] He provided the means by which ISIS became strong and dominant, so people will hyperbolically say [45:04] he created ISIS. This is also us supporting the Taliban to fight the Soviets, and this is how we [45:08] know if we arm the Kurds, we're going to be fighting them in 20 years. Or how about the [45:12] Azov battalion? Yeah, right. It's a risk you take allying with evil. It's not a risk, it's a certainty [45:16] that... [45:16] And it's stupid. [45:17] However we arm, we're going to be fighting in 20 years. It's a certainty. [45:21] But allying with evil, there's a risk, because like the Soviet Union was super powerful after [45:24] World War II because we allied with them and won, but arguably, would any of us even win without it? [45:28] But Ian, I will stress this. [45:29] Were they super powerful after World War II? How many Russians died in World War II? [45:34] Indeed. But there are degrees of evil, and there is a line. So if you know that there is a person [45:41] who is like, the moment I get a chance, I will commit atrocities, then you say that it's not [45:46] worth it. [45:46] Well, if the situation was like your country was being destroyed literally in your last [45:52] city, and it's like, well, we're all going to die, or we can ally with that crazy guy [45:55] you just mentioned. They ally with the crazy guy. And that might be better, because you [45:59] might survive. [46:00] There are certainly circumstances. [46:03] And anyway, the reason I bring it up is because on the right, I feel like there's a fractured [46:07] alliance that if we can come back together in reality... [46:10] Let us try this. [46:11] The reason why I would say there are certainly circumstances, as the U.S. has its interest [46:16] in arming various rebel groups... [46:18] Sure. [46:19] ...which turn on it. However, there also is a line you would never cross, even facing [46:23] existential crisis or death. [46:25] That's very Jesus Christ of you. [46:26] Like what? [46:27] No, but it's truth. If the United States was like, there's the last bastion. [46:33] Sure, sure. [46:34] One small town left surrounded by pedophiles, literally. And then a communist who is holding [46:43] a child by the head and saying, say, Marx is my king. And he goes, never. And he slits [46:47] his throat. And then the kid dies. And he looks at it and says, you know what? I'm going to [46:48] kill you. [46:48] I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill [46:49] you. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. [46:50] Join me and we'll fight the pedophiles. You'd be like, no. [46:54] Okay. [46:55] My point is, what are you fighting for? [46:58] Sure. [46:59] If you would stand alongside someone that literally destroys what you're fighting for. [47:02] Sure. [47:02] An easy example is, Chinese communists come to take over America. And American communists say, [47:09] when I take over, I'll do the exact same thing as them, but at least I'm American. You'd be like, [47:16] but you're, no. There's no difference to me. These are two evils and I'm not going to accept [47:21] either of them. [47:22] It's circumstantial. [47:23] because if if it's like if we don't ally with the american communists we're gonna die then you're [47:27] like no no no no the american communist is gonna kill you too is there like it's just it's like [47:32] join me and we'll stop the chinese communists i'll kill you afterwards you'd be like no i'm [47:36] not teaming you're evil you're going to kill my people no matter what like there's a line where [47:41] there's a tremendous evil if you are fighting it's like if you are fighting evil to preserve [47:47] your way of life and a secondary evil equally as a threat says join me and we'll kill them and then [47:52] i'll kill you you'd be like no no you say yes and then you turn on the other people after the [47:56] battle point is you're not powerful enough and you need assistance like my point is simply this [48:01] you would not fight alongside a pedophile to stop a communist like if a guy was actively like once [48:08] we win this war i'm gonna go rape a bunch of people you'd be like i'm not fighting with you [48:12] nothing is if somebody was slaughtering civilians i'd ally with pretty much anybody to stop them [48:16] pedophiles a bunch of short chubby mustachioed pedophiles who are begging for children are like [48:22] ian if you and i win this battle [48:24] you're not going to kill me [48:24] right now we stop the communist threat and we get a hundred children and we'll leave you'd be like [48:27] okay i'd be like yeah that's what america and we would win the battle that's what america did [48:31] during the 2000s the longest serving uh u.s speaker the republican speaker of the house in [48:41] history dennis hastert was in fact a pedophile and i'm sure there's lots of people listening to this [48:48] who knew that who would have preferred him as speaker of the house over pelosi even given that [48:52] sure i'm not arguing that i'm [48:54] my my point is [48:56] as i said certainly there are circumstances i don't agree that's a good uh uh wager to make [49:02] but i'm saying the u.s chose to fight alongside pedophiles in afghanistan to stop the taliban [49:08] and the soul it was a big cover-up and the soldiers were told they could not report it in [49:11] new york times from page yeah yeah huge in this situation it's like the liberal economic the [49:15] global technocratic machine wants to you know absorb everything and if we have to fight against [49:20] that if we have to preserve american freedoms i'm willing to ally with evil americans to make a deal with them [49:22] i'm willing to ally with evil americans to make a deal with them i'm willing to ally with evil americans to [49:24] make that happen because they're still americans and i i don't i don't i don't i don't know that that [49:29] the the liberal technocratic machine is inherently evil in the first place well the the way that the [49:37] way that he's talking about it like if he's like if he's talking what do you what do you consider [49:40] the liberal technocratic machine like uh get in the pot eat the bugs be happy everybody's a rent [49:45] rental class if you say online you get your account demonetized you're talking about some [49:50] kind of point this is no no you're not the reason we don't swear is not because we get censored it's [49:55] because there are families who have their kids in the living room watching the show i know but [49:57] we're also talking about like horror so like you don't okay yeah i won't say but that is the truth [50:03] is if you say the wrong words this machine can turn you off and take your bank away like that's [50:07] what we're fighting against not if you have the rumble wallet at wallet.rumble.com i think the [50:13] reason i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around your uh hypotheses is because i don't [50:17] think the pedophiles are localized to one group so i think no matter who you work with you're [50:22] working with the pedophiles oh sure but my point was [50:25] take the most extreme evil you can think of and you'll be like i would never work with those [50:28] people it's like i also think evil is it tends to be not efficacious uh elaborate meaning that the [50:35] more evil you are the hardest to implement your plans because evil is that is which i disagree [50:40] okay i think the more evil you are the easier it is to implement your plans okay well i guess [50:44] cheating is the cheating absolutely good is hard oh good is god that's why it's all so easy bro [50:51] no being good is god and that's the challenge he bestows upon you [50:56] the challenge is do you take the easy path towards comfort and success or do you push the boulder up [51:01] the hill and suffer for what is right bro being evil is the easiest way to go about that i don't [51:06] think it's easy let's talk like as i was talking about with trump trump wants to deal with antifa [51:10] right okay you get it you you you get a u.s intel asset drug him up dress him up like antifa and blow [51:17] him up in a town square then you say then you put on a manifesto and say antifa is threatening more [51:22] attacks we won't allow it and then you start rounding up antifa problem solving i don't know [51:26] that what's the sacrifice of one soldier in the in the face of a bigger war is something as evil [51:32] as you're making it out to be oh you don't think that would be evil like i would consider that evil [51:37] for example let's suppose one country is about to go to war with another country which would [51:41] guarantee thousands of innocent civilians not to mention military are going to die and you have [51:45] the opportunity to kill their leader and preempt it i don't think that's well you're just but that's [51:51] totally different it's not totally different it's one murder talking about deceiving the people [51:57] i don't think deceit is necessarily evil well agreed not my point but do you not you think false [52:05] flags are not evil i think i think you have to compare things to the alternative i'd rather have [52:10] melanoma than pancreatic right well but right but that's not right is that true so i think i would [52:15] rather have a false flag that preempts a war than a war so your point is some you'd rather have less [52:20] evil than more evil but yes but even on the less sure because cancer is cancer but some cancers [52:24] are worse correct right my argument is [52:27] being evil is easier i don't think being less evil is evil i think being less evil is good [52:32] so go to choose the less over the worse so if donald trump wanted to deal with uh if you wanted [52:40] to secure voting for instance for the midterms sure the easiest thing he could do is have some [52:45] like antifa guy blow himself up and i don't think that's easy at all what do you mean because i [52:51] don't think the reaction would play out necessarily like you do because i think a lot of times whatever [52:54] happens it's going to blow up in his face i mean that's [52:58] it may be except the history of false flags so they tend to work sure but not how often do you [53:03] have a donald trump figure try to run a false during 2020 hold on remember this during 2020 [53:08] when antifa was going to burn down that federal building was that seattle or portland which one [53:12] it was they had they brought the attorney general in front of congress to explain how dare you [53:17] defend federal property for being burnt down yeah so the point is whatever trump tries to pull it's [53:22] going to be looked at eight ways from sunday oh if on if on may 29th what is that a specific date [53:28] that the president could be expected to go who knows or he could be expected to be protected [53:31] or something to say and to do that at a certain point at a certain point in time which is what [53:35] we're going to find out you don't have to be asked to sign a letter that says that it's going to be [53:38] cut down for people to do so okay the second point is Trump is a bad person and that's why [53:41] donald trump left ransacked the okay toward the barriers out at the white house firebomb st. [53:44] john's church if you never hear about memory hold because trump isn't evil because what an evil [53:48] person would do is say tell me so your the president is evil and they brief him and they say [53:54] sir you have to go to the bunker emergency bunker he goes why what's happening say there's thousands [53:57] of protesters outside they're starting fires and then he says brief me what have they've done well [53:59] says, we got to stop it. They do. That's the right thing to do. Correct. I agree with you. However, [54:03] an evil man would say, no, let it burn. Let the American icon burn to the ground. You know why? [54:09] Because then in the morning, I will issue a statement that the far left extremists have [54:12] destroyed a monument to America and we will announce a crackdown. And then Donald Trump [54:18] could have come out after the far leftists tore the barricades down in front of the White House. [54:23] He could have ordered the police to stand down and back off. The leftists would have broken into the [54:27] White House, started rampaging and ransacking everything. And he could have said, everyone [54:31] stand down. And then in the morning, you know what he does? He goes on TV and says, America, [54:37] I owe you an apology. When the peaceful protesters came out. You don't have a Trump voice? What? [54:41] You don't have a Trump voice? Come on. I do. Do it. America. There you go. I owe you an apology. [54:47] There you go. Last night, we saw terror, the worst this country has ever seen, [54:53] some say. And what he would say is, when thousands of peaceful protesters, [54:59] came out, we respected the First Amendment and the grief these people felt over the loss of life [55:06] in Minnesota. But when the extremists joined their ranks, unfortunately, our media reports [55:14] did not convey the degree of violence that had been undertaken. And for this, I made a grave [55:20] error. I instructed our law enforcement to stand down as we feared innocent, peaceful protesters [55:27] could be hurt. Well, it turns out that these individuals were, in fact, [55:30] violent extremists. They have destroyed the historic St. John's Church, and they have laid [55:36] waste to the White House. And for that, I know you may never forgive me. And for that, I will [55:40] apologize at every opportunity. But mark my words, I will have justice. And the American people will [55:47] know justice as we seek these violent terrorists down across the country and lock them up. And then [55:54] he creates a task force and a committee, the M29 committee. And then they start holding hearings, [55:59] bringing in leftists and saying, [56:00] did you have something to do with this? They put these people in prison, and they all get arrested. [56:04] I don't know why you're saying this is evil. This sounds awesome. [56:07] Because the point is, Trump would intentionally foment the destruction of American icons and [56:13] monuments for the purpose of installing a political agenda. [56:17] I don't know that he would, at least in this scenario, he wouldn't foment. He would have [56:20] allowed it. And also, I would argue that's a light degree of evil. [56:24] Everyone would be gaslit into blaming Trump and simultaneously saying that nothing ever happened. [56:30] Well, the White House would be ransacked, and St. John's Church would be a pile of rubble. [56:33] And they'll say it was Trump's fault, and they didn't teach him and remove him from office. [56:36] Nope, nope. You're right, they would. And Trump would say, well, you know, I apologize for this. [56:41] We saw the CNN was saying that it was peaceful, and we believed it. And that was my fault. I should [56:48] not have believed CNN when they lied. Let me ask you a question, because I remember 2020 very [56:52] vividly, and I'm sure the people in this room as well. Do you disagree with my contention that if [56:56] Trump didn't go as far as he did on COVID with many of the restrictions? [57:00] Either through his decisions and things he said, that he would have been impeached or [57:05] removed from office? [57:06] If he didn't go as far as he did? [57:07] Correct. If he was softer. [57:09] I feel like we need a little bit more specifics. [57:11] Meaning like, I remember those times, right? And how scared everyone was, especially those [57:16] first few days. And Trump wanted- [57:17] You're saying if he was like, no lockdowns, we're gonna let everything roll. [57:19] And Trump wanted things to open up as fast as possible. Let's talk about it all the time. [57:23] Well, my point was, hold on, just finish my point. I think people don't appreciate to [57:26] what extent Congress is against this guy, including Republicans- [57:30] I understand. [57:31] At least removing from office. [57:32] And I think people don't appreciate the severe impact Andy Ngo's near death experience had [57:38] on the American psyche. [57:39] People don't know who Andy is. [57:41] CNN was forced to come out and say the left has gone too far. [57:44] Fine. [57:45] That was a massive moment when photos of Andy Ngo- [57:47] It was a moment though. It was just a moment. [57:48] Indeed, because the right never engages in false flags. [57:52] Right. [57:53] So when the left crossed the line and left Andy Ngo bleeding from the ears and drenched [57:56] with blood and broken teeth, all of the media was like- [58:00] This is too much. [58:01] This is too much. [58:02] Steve Scalise got shot. No Democrat defended it to my knowledge. [58:05] Indeed. [58:06] The point is- [58:07] It was a week after that, everyone forgot about it. [58:08] People need to see it. But the thing is- [58:10] You can't force them to see it because they don't want to show it to you. [58:14] If Trump were to engage in a sustained campaign, he would win. [58:19] I don't think so. [58:20] I think you're wrong. [58:21] I think not because the media, it's only if it aligns with what the military industrial [58:25] complex wants. If they false flag us into Iran, I can understand it, but- [58:28] But it has nothing to do with domestic operations. [58:29] Domestic conquest. They don't want... [58:30] They want Antifa to run roughshod to so destabilize ability. So I think that they would expose [58:37] him and throw him away. [58:38] We have seen numerous instances where the left went too far and we got the reaction [58:43] from the corporate press in a shocking way. It's just that it only happened two or three [58:47] times. [58:48] Right. But my point is people have been primed for a decade to be told that in any minute [58:51] now, Trump is going to put trans people in concentration camps. [58:54] Agreed. [58:55] So the second there's a hint of that, aha, told you so, and he's going to get removed. [58:59] Except- [59:00] If you shock the American people into a position where the media cannot gaslight. [59:04] I don't see... That is where you and I disagree. I don't think there's a possibility that people [59:09] get so shocked that media can't gaslight them. [59:10] If Andy Ngo was beaten to death, the reaction would have been tenfold. [59:14] Ten times one is still going to be a small number. [59:16] Indeed. It needs to be a consistent plan from Trump to continually lie and engage in false [59:21] flags and manipulate the public like the left does. [59:24] Sure, but- [59:25] If Trump was evil, he'd be doing it. [59:26] Point is the left doesn't do it through one person. Trump is just one man. [59:30] This has been systemic for decades from them. [59:32] I get it. [59:33] Trump's only there for four years. [59:34] But that's not addressing what my argument is. [59:35] No, but the point is Trump does not have the space to do what the left does. [59:38] Perhaps that may be. [59:39] Okay. [59:40] If Trump were to do what the left was doing, he'd win. [59:43] Win what? You mean the culture war? [59:44] Culture war. [59:45] Okay. [59:46] I don't think the culture war could be won in four years. [59:47] I believe that January 6th was allowed to happen, that we saw videos of police standing [59:52] down and walking people in the building. [59:54] Sure. [59:55] Nancy Pelosi didn't bring in National Guard and neither did Bowser. And I think the point [59:59] was they said, no, no, let it happen. [1:00:01] Sure. [1:00:02] Because then they got their committees and their insurrection. [1:00:04] Right. [1:00:05] Trump could have done the same thing with the White House. [1:00:08] I don't think there's a symmetry. [1:00:09] Yeah. [1:00:10] The liberal- [1:00:11] That's my point. [1:00:12] That establishment does false flags mechanically and industrially. [1:00:15] It's not one guy telling a lie. [1:00:18] There are people who would tell you right now that dozens of cops were killed on January [1:00:21] 6th by that mob. [1:00:22] Yeah. [1:00:23] Because New York Times lied. [1:00:24] I'm just saying, but we don't live in a truth-based ... Humans aren't truth-seeking animals, they're [1:00:29] narrative-seeking animals. [1:00:30] Yeah. [1:00:31] But the fact is, in the last 10 years has been, Trump is a Hitler waiting to happen. [1:00:34] That's been primed in people's heads. [1:00:35] And the second something like that happens, they're activated. [1:00:37] More people need to understand exactly what you just said. [1:00:41] And I think because of the way that people are, I don't think that they can actually [1:00:44] wrap their heads around it. [1:00:46] So it might be a moot point to even bring it up. [1:00:48] But the fact that ... The idea that people have that if you can just actually have a [1:00:54] discussion with people and you'll change their opinion- [1:00:56] And show them video. [1:00:57] No. [1:00:58] There are people who ... Tim, we all agree with this. [1:01:00] There are many leftists that if you play them the clip of Trump speaking up to Charlottesville, [1:01:04] will tell you, yes, I heard him praising white supremacists. [1:01:09] They can play that tape from here until they die, they will not hear it correctly. [1:01:13] So I would argue that that video actually is the greatest red pill for the average person. [1:01:20] And I hear so many of these stories where they say, I was a lib until I saw that video. [1:01:25] But if that video was as red-pilling as you say, it would be 100% effective. [1:01:30] No. [1:01:31] 100%? [1:01:32] Yes. [1:01:33] If people were as malleable- [1:01:34] Because it's pretty objective, that video. [1:01:35] So for the default libs, as Andrew Breitbart called them, it almost is completely effective. [1:01:41] Is it your opinion that if you played that video in its entirety to everyone in America, [1:01:47] they would all become MAGA? [1:01:48] Everyone? [1:01:49] No, of course not. [1:01:50] So what percent you think would change their minds? [1:01:52] Of default libs? [1:01:53] Yes. [1:01:54] 60%? [1:01:55] I think it's 10. [1:01:56] Here we go. [1:01:57] That's our disagreement. [1:01:58] We got Trump. [1:01:59] Here he comes. [1:02:00] We got him. [1:02:01] Full impression. [1:02:02] Thank you very much. [1:02:03] Thank you very much. [1:02:04] Mr. T. [1:02:05] My fellow Americans, good evening. [1:02:07] Let me begin by congratulating the team at NASA and our brave astronauts on the successful [1:02:13] launch of Artemis II. [1:02:15] It was quite something. [1:02:17] It will be traveling further than any manned rocket has ever flown and will very substantially [1:02:23] pass the moon, go around it, and come back home from a distance that has never been done [1:02:30] before. [1:02:31] It's amazing. [1:02:33] They are on the way, and God bless them. [1:02:35] These are brave people. [1:02:36] We want to God bless those four unbelievable astronauts. [1:02:43] As we speak this evening, it's been just one month since the United States military began [1:02:49] Operation Epic Fury, targeting the world's number one state sponsor of terror, Iran. [1:02:57] In these past four weeks, our armed forces have delivered swift, decisive, overwhelming [1:03:03] victories. [1:03:04] On the battlefield, victories like few people have ever seen before. [1:03:10] Tonight, Iran's navy is gone. [1:03:13] Their air force is in ruins. [1:03:16] Their leaders, most of them terrorist regime they led, are now dead. [1:03:24] Their command and control of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is being decimated as we speak. [1:03:32] It's like he's doing a Trump impression. [1:03:33] Their ability to launch missiles and drones is dramatically curtailed, and their weapons [1:03:38] factories and rocket launchers are being blown to pieces. [1:03:42] Very few of them left. [1:03:45] Never in the history of warfare has an enemy suffered such clear and devastating large-scale [1:03:50] losses in a matter of weeks. [1:03:53] Our enemies are losing in America, as it has been for five years under my presidency, is [1:04:00] winning and now winning bigger than ever before. [1:04:05] Before discussing this current situation, I also want to thank our troops for the massive [1:04:10] job they did in taking the country of Venezuela in a matter of minutes. [1:04:16] That hit was quick, lethal, violent, and respected by everyone all over the world. [1:04:21] After rebuilding our military during my first term, we have by far the strongest military [1:04:27] anywhere in the world, and now we're working along with Venezuela and are in a true sense [1:04:34] joint venture partners. [1:04:35] We're getting along incredibly well in the production and sale of massive amounts of [1:04:40] oil and gas. [1:04:42] The second largest reserves on Earth after the United States of America. [1:04:48] We're now totally independent of the Middle East, and yet we are there to help. [1:04:55] We don't have to be there. [1:04:56] We don't need their oil. [1:04:57] We don't need anything they have, but we're there to help our allies. [1:05:01] Tonight, I want to provide an update on the tremendous progress our warriors have made [1:05:07] in Iran and discuss why Operation Epic Fury is necessary for the safety of America as [1:05:13] well as the security of the free world. [1:05:16] From the very first day I announced my campaign for president in 2015, I have vowed that I [1:05:24] would never allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. [1:05:28] This fanatical regime has been chanting death to America, death to Israel for 47 years. [1:05:37] Their proxies were behind the murder of 241 Americans in the Marine barracks bombing in [1:05:43] Beirut. [1:05:44] The slaughter of hundreds of our service members with roadside bombs. [1:05:49] They were involved in the attack on the USS Cole, and they carried out the countless other [1:05:56] heinous acts, including the blood, just horrible, bloody atrocities of October 7th in Israel, [1:06:05] something that most people have never seen anything like it. [1:06:09] This murderous regime also recently killed 45,000 of their own people who were protesting [1:06:16] in Iran. [1:06:17] Forty-five thousand dead. [1:06:18] For these terrorists to have nuclear weapons would be an intolerable threat. [1:06:25] The most violent and thuggish regime on earth would be free to carry out their campaigns [1:06:30] of terror, coercion, conquest, and mass murder from behind a nuclear shield. [1:06:36] I will never let that happen, and neither should any of our past presidents. [1:06:43] This situation has been going on for 47 years. [1:06:46] And it's not over. [1:06:47] For all the time that I've been in office, I did many things during my two terms in office [1:06:55] to stop the quest for nuclear weapons by Iran first. [1:06:59] And perhaps most importantly, I killed General Qasem Soleimani in my first term. [1:07:06] With my bare hands. [1:07:07] He's being hypnotic. [1:07:08] He was an evil genius, a brilliant person, a horrible human being, however, the father [1:07:13] of the roadside bomb. [1:07:16] And he lived. [1:07:17] just horrible, what he did. Iran would have been perhaps in far better, stronger position. He lived, [1:07:25] we would have had probably a different conversation tonight. But you know what, [1:07:29] we'd still be winning and winning big. And then very importantly, I terminated Barack [1:07:34] Hussein Obama's Iran nuclear deal, a disaster. Obama gave them $1.7 billion in cash, green cash, [1:07:44] took it out of banks from Virginia, D.C. and Maryland, all the cash they had. He flew it by [1:07:52] airplanes in an attempt to buy their respect and loyalty, but it didn't work. They laughed at our [1:07:57] president and went on with their mission to have a nuclear bomb. His Iran deal would have led to a [1:08:04] colossal arsenal of massive nuclear weapons for Iran. They would have had them years ago, [1:08:10] and they would have used them. It would have been a different world. There would have been [1:08:15] no me. [1:08:15] Middle East and no Israel right now, in my opinion, the opinion of a lot of great experts. [1:08:20] Had I not terminated that terrible deal, I was so honored to do it. I was so proud to do it. It was [1:08:26] so bad right from the beginning. Essentially, I did what no other president was willing to do. [1:08:32] They made mistakes, and I am correcting them. My first preference was always the path of diplomacy, [1:08:40] yet the regime continued their relentless quest for nuclear weapons and rejected every attempt, [1:08:46] and I looked for it in their favor. I wanted to be, I hate everything that they do, but I [1:08:51] learned to be a journalist by making them realize that they are the ones asking for things. [1:08:54] It's so important to me. It's so important to me that, in the briefest day, I essentially [1:08:58] don't know what the world should be. The documents that I'm reading today point to the war with [1:09:03] Iran. I know that was absolutely [1:09:15] an enormous victory. [1:09:16] Why? [1:09:16] nuclear weapons. [1:09:19] They were also rapidly building a vast stockpile of conventional ballistic missiles and would [1:09:25] soon have had missiles that could reach the American homeland, Europe, and virtually any [1:09:30] other place on Earth. [1:09:32] Iran's strategy was so obvious. [1:09:35] They wanted to produce as many missiles as possible, and they did, with the longest range [1:09:41] possible. [1:09:42] And they had some weapons that nobody believed they had. [1:09:45] We just learned that. [1:09:47] We took them out. [1:09:48] We took them all out so that no one would really dare stop them. [1:09:52] And they raced for a nuclear bomb, a nuclear weapon, a nuclear weapon like nobody's ever [1:09:57] seen before. [1:09:58] They were right at the doorstep. [1:10:01] For years, everyone has said that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. [1:10:05] But in the end, those are just words if you're not willing to take action when the time comes. [1:10:12] As I stated in my announcement of Operation Epic Fury, [1:10:17] our [1:10:17] objectives are very simple and clear. [1:10:20] We are systematically dismantling the regime's ability to threaten America or project power [1:10:26] outside of their borders. [1:10:28] That means eliminating Iran's navy, which is now absolutely destroyed, hurting their [1:10:36] air force and their missile program at levels never seen before, and annihilating their [1:10:41] defense industrial base. [1:10:43] We've done all of it. [1:10:44] Their navy is gone. [1:10:45] Their air force is gone. [1:10:47] Their missiles are [1:10:48] just about used up or beaten. [1:10:51] Taken together, these actions will cripple Iran's military, crush their ability to support [1:10:56] terrorist proxies, and deny them the ability to build a nuclear bomb. [1:11:01] Our armed forces have been extraordinary. [1:11:04] There's never been anything like it militarily. [1:11:08] Everyone is talking about it. [1:11:09] And tonight, I'm pleased to say that these core strategic objectives are nearing completion. [1:11:16] As we celebrate this progress, [1:11:18] we think especially of the 13 American warriors who have laid down their lives in this fight [1:11:25] to prevent our children from ever having to face a nuclear Iran. [1:11:31] Twice this past month, I have traveled to Dover Air Force Base, and it's been something [1:11:37] I wanted to be with those heroes as they return to American soil. [1:11:42] And I was with them and their families, their parents, their wives, their husbands. [1:11:47] We salute them. [1:11:48] And now, we must honor them. [1:11:49] By completing the mission for which they gave their lives and every single one of the [1:11:55] people, their loved ones said, please, sir, please finish the job, every one of them. [1:12:02] And we are going to finish the job, and we're going to finish it very fast. [1:12:05] We're getting very close. [1:12:06] I want to thank our allies in the Middle East, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, Kuwait, [1:12:15] and Bahrain. [1:12:17] They've been great. [1:12:18] And we will not let them get hurt. [1:12:20] Thank you. [1:12:21] Thank you. [1:12:22] Thank you. [1:12:23] Thank you. [1:12:24] Thank you. [1:12:25] Thank you. [1:12:26] Thank you. [1:12:27] They're very proud. [1:12:28] They've been very proud of what you've done in the past. [1:12:29] And I think we should reflect on that. [1:12:30] I think that's the key. [1:12:31] I think that's the core of all of us. [1:12:33] And I think we should reflect on that, too, because we don't want to see us fail or fail [1:12:36] in any way, shape, or form. [1:12:37] Many Americans have been concerned to see the recent rise in gasoline prices here at [1:12:42] home. [1:12:43] This short-term increase has been entirely the result of the Iranian regime launching [1:12:48] deranged terror attacks against commercial oil tankers in neighboring countries that [1:12:52] to decades of extortion economic pain and instability worse than we can ever [1:12:58] imagine the United States has never been better prepared economically to confront [1:13:03] this threat you all know that economy and history we're going through it right [1:13:10] now the strongest in history in one year we've taken a dead and crippled country [1:13:16] I hate to say that but we were dead and crippled country after the last [1:13:23] administration and made it the hottest country anywhere in the world by far [1:13:28] with no inflation record-setting investments coming into the United [1:13:32] States over 18 trillion dollars and the highest stock market ever with 53 [1:13:38] all-time record highs in just one year it all positioned us to get rid of a [1:13:45] cancer that has long simmered it's [1:13:47] known as the nuclear Iran and they didn't know what was coming they've [1:13:53] never imagined it remember because of our drill baby drill program America has [1:13:58] plenty of gas we have so much gas under my leadership we're number one producer [1:14:04] of oil and gas on the planet without even discussing the millions of barrels [1:14:08] that we're getting from Venezuela because of the Trump administration's [1:14:13] policies we produce more oil and gas than Saudi Arabia and Russia [1:14:17] you [1:14:17] combined think of that Saudi Arabia and Russia combined and that number will [1:14:23] soon be substantially higher than that there's no country like us anywhere in [1:14:29] the world and we're in great shape for the future the United States imports [1:14:34] almost no oil through the hormone straight and won't be taking any in the [1:14:39] future we don't need it we haven't needed it and we don't need it we've [1:14:44] beaten and completely decimated Iran they are decimated both militarily and [1:14:51] economically and every other way and the countries of the world that do receive [1:14:57] oil through the hormone straight must take care of that passage they must [1:15:01] cherish it they must grab it and cherish it they can do it easily we will be [1:15:07] helpful but they should take the lead in protecting the oil that they so [1:15:11] desperately depend on so to those countries [1:15:14] that can't get fuel many of which refused to get involved in the [1:15:19] decapitation of Iran we had to do it ourselves I have a suggestion number one [1:15:24] buy oil from the United States of America we have plenty we have so much [1:15:28] and number two build up some delayed courage should have done it before [1:15:33] should have done it with us as we asked go to the straight and just take it [1:15:38] protect it use it for yourselves Iran has been essentially decimated [1:15:44] the hard part is done so it should be easy and in any event when this conflict [1:15:50] is over the straight will open up naturally it'll just open up naturally [1:15:54] they're gonna want to be able to sell oil because that's all they have to try [1:15:59] and rebuild it will resume the flowing and the gas prices will rapidly come [1:16:04] back down stock prices will rapidly go back up they haven't come down very much [1:16:09] frankly they came down a little bit but they've had some very good days over the [1:16:13] last couple of days [1:16:14] we've done actually much better than I thought but we had to take that little [1:16:19] journey to Iran to get rid of this horrible threat with our historic tax [1:16:24] cuts where people are just now talking about receiving larger refunds than they [1:16:29] ever thought possible they are getting so much more money than they thought [1:16:33] that's from the great big beautiful bill our economy is strong and improving by [1:16:38] the day and it will soon be roaring back like never before it will top the levels [1:16:43] that it was a month ago [1:16:45] I've made clear from the beginning of operation epic fury that we will [1:16:49] continue until our objectives are fully achieved thanks to the progress we've [1:16:54] made I can say tonight that we are on track to complete all of America's [1:16:59] military objectives shortly very shortly we're going to hit them extremely hard [1:17:05] over the next two to three weeks we're going to bring them back to the Stone [1:17:10] Age is where they belong in the meantime discussions are ongoing [1:17:15] regime change was not our goal we never said regime change but regime change has [1:17:20] occurred because of all of their original leaders death they're all dead [1:17:27] the new group is less radical and much more reasonable yet if during this [1:17:33] period of time no deal is made we have our eyes on key targets if there is no [1:17:38] deal we are going to hit each and every one of their electric generating plants [1:17:43] very hard and probably simultaneously [1:17:45] we have not hit their oil even though that's the easiest target of all because [1:17:51] it would not give them even a small chance of survival or rebuilding but we [1:17:57] could hit it and it would be gone and there's not a thing they could do about [1:18:02] it they have no anti-aircraft equipment their radar is 100% annihilated we are [1:18:09] unstoppable as a military force the nuclear sites that we obliterated with [1:18:15] the B-2 bombers have been hit so hard that it would take months to get near [1:18:20] the nuclear dust and we have it under intense satellite surveillance and [1:18:26] control if we see them make a move even a move for it we'll hit them with [1:18:32] missiles very hard again we have all the cards they have none it's very important [1:18:37] that we keep this conflict in perspective American involvement in World War One lasted [1:18:46] a year seven months and five days World War Two lasted for three years eight months and 25 days [1:18:54] the Korean War lasted for three years one month and two days the Vietnam War lasted for 19 years [1:19:02] five months and 29 days Iraq went on for eight years eight months and 28 days we are in this [1:19:12] military operation so powerful so brilliant against one of the most [1:19:16] powerful countries for 32 days and the country has been eviscerated and [1:19:24] essentially is really no longer a threat they were the bully of the Middle East [1:19:29] but they're the bully no longer this is a true investment in your children and [1:19:34] your grandchildren's future the whole world is watching and they can't leave [1:19:39] the power strength and brilliance they just can't believe what they're seeing [1:19:44] they leave it to your imagination but they [1:19:48] can't believe what they're seeing they leave it to your imagination but they [1:19:48] can't believe what they're seeing the brilliance of the United States military tonight every [1:19:53] American can look forward to a day when we are finally free from the wickedness of Iranian [1:19:59] aggression and the specter of nuclear black belt because of the actions we have taken we [1:20:05] are on the cusp of ending Iran's sinister threat to America and the world and I'll [1:20:11] tell you the world is watching and when we do when it's all over the United States will be safer [1:20:18] stronger more prosperous and greater than it has ever been before may God bless the men and women of [1:20:25] the United States Armed Forces and may God bless the United States of America thank you very much [1:20:32] and good night oh wow I'm a little I've got one quick question like I'm not this is even [1:20:37] sarcastic I'm not even sarcastic he said we're close to achieving all of America's like military [1:20:42] goals what are those I I literally don't know what those are Rubio posted them oh you did yeah [1:20:47] what are they it was well it was it was basically [1:20:49] to annihilate their uh ability to wage ground war okay anti-air and Naval and they were like I [1:20:56] don't know might have been like seven points can we pull that up because I think we want to find [1:20:58] that yeah yeah because that's the big question I think people have it right you blowing up their [1:21:02] arms and legs doesn't stop the brain's desire so I don't understand well the the argument that's [1:21:08] being that uh Marco Rubio made is that there's there's they want to degrade their ability to [1:21:13] have missiles you got that do you have it Tim I found it okay grab it just put it in the slack [1:21:17] or yeah yeah it was Rubio right [1:21:20] yeah yeah yeah hey people like was like a bullet point thing or something two minute thing right [1:21:24] there um yeah he won they won our objectives Americans are asking why did the United States [1:21:30] have to attack Iran now well let me explain Iran wants to have nuclear weapons of that there is [1:21:37] zero doubt if what they truly wanted which is what they claim is nuclear energy well they could have [1:21:42] nuclear energy like all the other countries in the world have it and that is you import the fuel and [1:21:47] you build reactors above ground that's not what Iran has done [1:21:50] they build their reactors and their facilities deep in mountains away from the public glare and [1:21:56] they want to enrich that material the same equipment that they could use to enrich material [1:22:01] for energy they could use to quickly enrich it to weapons grade so it is clear that they've been [1:22:06] offered every opportunity to have a nuclear program that allows them to have energy not weapons and [1:22:12] every single time they have turned it down but why the attack now well what was Iran trying to do Iran [1:22:18] was trying to build a a [1:22:20] national shield in essence have so many missiles have so many drones that no one could attack them [1:22:25] and they were well on their way we were on the verge of an Iran that had so many missiles and [1:22:30] so many drones that no one could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future that [1:22:35] was an intolerable risk under no circumstances can a country run by radical Shia clerics with [1:22:41] an apocalyptic vision of the future ever possessed nuclear weapons and under no circumstances can [1:22:46] they be allowed to hide and protect that program and their ambitions [1:22:50] behind a shield of missiles and drones that no one can do anything about this was our last best chance [1:22:57] to eliminate that conventional threat that conventional Shield that they were trying to build [1:23:01] and the president made the right decision to wipe it out now that is the goal of this operation to [1:23:07] destroy their conventional missiles and their drone program so they can't hide behind it and [1:23:12] finally have to deal with the world seriously about never ever having nuclear weapons that's [1:23:17] so much more coherent than what Trump said it's well of course it is [1:23:20] I'm sorry it implies that no but I have to get the the Iranian regime to allow inspectors into [1:23:27] the country basically capitulate and become a the point servants of one of the points that I've heard [1:23:31] a lot of people making is that the reason that we couldn't do anything about North Korea getting a [1:23:37] nuclear weapon is because of the location of Pyongyang right there within artillery range of [1:23:41] the of North Korea so if they tried to prevent what China's backing North Korea we can't go in [1:23:47] no no but the point that I'm there the point that I'm making is going in the IAEA [1:23:50] they kicked them out yeah but the reason they could yeah yeah the reason they could the main [1:23:54] reason they couldn't because they couldn't even gamble on trying to is because if they tried to [1:23:59] strike North Korea North Korea can just use artillery and wipe out what 10 million people in [1:24:03] in Seoul in Seoul they'd kill 10 tens of thousands with just and so what what the what the what the [1:24:09] goal is here is to prevent Iran from achieving that kind of weapons capacity with conventional [1:24:17] weapons for making it making it too [1:24:20] easy for the US or someone else to go and actually attack them because I I so much of my April fools [1:24:26] like why didn't Trump say what you just said because he's Trump are you kidding people are [1:24:30] writing the speech I've seen no no I think Rubio should have added the Rubio should have said this [1:24:36] everything he said and I want the people of this country to understand that while the safety of the [1:24:43] region our allies our troops are paramount understand that the threat from Iran would [1:24:49] also destabilize [1:24:51] the economy here in the United States and abroad as we are seeing now with the shuttering of the [1:24:56] Strait of Hormuz and gas prices going up if we waited and they aimed nuclear weapons at us or [1:25:03] our allies gas prices would have gone up four dollars a gallon this is just a small factor [1:25:09] right but understand it's a big it's a big picture and the safety of the of the people in the lives [1:25:15] is the you know most important that would be a very cookie and then go not just gas price will [1:25:19] go up but the cost of literally everything blah blah blah blah blah [1:25:21] yeah and none of us talking about this is an endorsement of the of the attacking I know they [1:25:27] don't understand but um it's only he still Ruby only gave us half or part of an equation because [1:25:32] you blow up all their conventional weapons their missiles and drones and then wait four years [1:25:36] they're going to have another round of conventional weapons it's called mongolon yeah exactly so is [1:25:40] that the plan is every three years we're gonna that's why they want regime change well he didn't [1:25:44] say that but I agree he did he did he didn't Trump Trump yeah Rubio didn't mention regime change as [1:25:50] part of the attack I want to say this too [1:25:51] strategy because my concerns as I mentioned earlier with intervention are functional and [1:25:57] not moral I have moral concerns like there's a report that the U.S may have launched Tomahawk [1:26:01] which hit a school killing a bunch of children horrifying and moral concerns matter however in [1:26:06] war we try to avoid these and I believe the United States as a force for war and a global power has [1:26:12] been the most moral that we have seen in the past I don't know in our history in the history of the [1:26:19] planet certainly you can look at the Nazis and [1:26:21] go oh certainly you can look at Napoleon and go really you can look at Russia and China and go [1:26:26] good God and you get America and you go they did do a lot of bad things but yeah we don't all things [1:26:31] considered my argument is I sit online I I see these activists from left to right or otherwise [1:26:38] and they say the U.S is the worst terrorist on the planet the U.S is evil all of these things and [1:26:44] that is just not true it may not be correct functional or moral what they're doing those [1:26:51] arguments are always allowed [1:26:52] but my point is China was threatening to destroy one of the largest aquifers in Central America so [1:26:58] they could compete with the panic at Panama Canal they have no regard for human life and what is [1:27:03] moral or good certainly one could argue the U.S does bad things and I would argue welcome to war [1:27:09] and global conflict so by all means criticize the war I'm not saying not to I'm just saying [1:27:13] don't come to me and claim that Iran is morally just don't come to me and say China is morally [1:27:18] just or good or that Russia is because I will tell you the United States is infinitely infinitely [1:27:22] better and more moral than all of those countries very good at not turning on its own people because [1:27:27] of our decentralized uh legal systems where like local police basically Trump essentially the [1:27:33] exterior forces so the U.S it's moral in that way that it hasn't genocided its own people but like [1:27:38] we're not at war in Iran so you're saying like in times of war you might blow up a school of [1:27:43] children but we're not at war a guy just said let's go blow up that school of children we're [1:27:47] doing worry kind of things though yes we killed the point is the Korean war the American military is [1:27:52] the most constrained military in terms of Global Powers the the hearing hearing the things that our [1:27:58] men and women in uniform go through when they're like we're getting shot at we're not allowed to [1:28:02] return fire because of the risks like the the U.S military goes to pain staking staking lengths to [1:28:08] avoid what communist China does intentionally I I think that the point people are make and I'm not [1:28:13] saying you disagree with this isn't that the Iran or Chinese are good people but that they're acting [1:28:18] in certain ways that make rational sense and you can understand other countries look what happened [1:28:22] look you know what if I get nukes this isn't going to happen to me look at Pakistan Pakistan [1:28:26] Harvard bin Laden no one brings them up that is that is I would argue functionally correct and [1:28:31] then we can take a look at what the U.S response was with Iran right now Iran uh Trump I would [1:28:37] argue embarrassed humiliated even because the 12-day war was a failure he said we got their [1:28:43] nuclear capabilities what did we see from satellite photos it looked like they got all of the enriched [1:28:48] uranium out before it was blown up and guess what that's true Trump failed in that regard [1:28:52] I bet Trump Trump was pissed and now it's like okay well if we're going to shut him down we're [1:28:56] going to do it yeah I believe it has more to do with just the with uh uranium protests or whatever [1:29:02] but I will stress the U.S says we will Target your military there may be accidental collateral damage [1:29:09] I do not believe there's intentionally targeted school children that's a waste of a billion dollar [1:29:13] miss or a 50 million dollar missile there's you're not accomplishing any goals with doing that look [1:29:17] what Iran did they targeted hotels and civilians Iran threatened [1:29:22] to Target critical infrastructure of our allies uninvolved like Trump mentioned as well as [1:29:27] civilians because the threat of terror makes an honest person scared the criminal at the bank [1:29:33] points the gun at the innocent woman knowing the police don't want her to die and would rather the [1:29:38] criminal escape with all of the money than the innocent person die that's evil and that's what [1:29:42] that's what Iran is doing so I'm not justifying that we go into this because again moral arguments [1:29:48] are allowed and we can have them functional arguments are mostly where I stand but [1:29:52] moral matters to me but you take a look at what Iran's been doing in the region arming Rebels who [1:29:57] blow up civilian cargo ships which they've been doing for years and we're supposed to just sit [1:30:01] back and be like well you know we can't do anything about it I reject that now again my [1:30:06] principal concerns are the moral expense like the school that was blown up we should have [1:30:11] Investigation my my concerns are the function if we do this will we actually succeed and even [1:30:17] air print said it's a roll the dice but I will stress on Venezuela while skeptical because my [1:30:22] the function morally we are 100 justified and I am glad that Trump succeeded in Venezuela the [1:30:30] Venezuelan stole our assets and we had a treaty with them we shook hands we built oil infrastructure [1:30:37] and smiled and said thank you we'll get rich together and then the communists in that country [1:30:41] stole it all from us and gave us the middle finger and Trump what did he do he took one guy and got [1:30:47] our stuff back and there's no war and I respect it I I think that's fair to the extent that Maduro and [1:30:53] that got taken out so the damage was so minimal people didn't even know how to freak out about it [1:30:57] agreed but if he's sitting there talking about who knows if it's bluster about targeting you [1:31:01] know electricity which is going to affect a lot of civilians at a certain point like you can't just [1:31:06] say it's just war I think the the principal issue is you know the scenario I like to give and I'd [1:31:12] love to get your thoughts on this thought experiment I may have asked you this already but I'm gonna [1:31:16] ask you again is this the naked slave being whipped no no no that was fun though right this one is uh [1:31:23] civilization okay how would that ever happen it's called a hypothetical but even if you didn't have [1:31:28] breakfast Michael I wake up at 11 I never have breakfast let me ask you a question and it's not [1:31:35] necessarily just for you but yeah I got you a thought experiment I like to ask people when [1:31:38] it pertains to war is you're in the middle of the woods you're lost you have a small satchel of food [1:31:42] and a canteen it'll last you about a day and you have a rifle okay you're trying to find your way [1:31:46] to civilization and let's just say that you're in an unknown country sure and as you're walking you [1:31:53] in the distance looks just like you rifle small satchel looks like food canteen of water what do [1:31:59] you do wait does it matter that he looks like me like he he looks like he's wearing the same gear [1:32:04] okay I think he's like my clone okay um I would approach him and say hey I'm lost can you help [1:32:09] bang now he's got two days worth of food and you're dead you don't know that indeed you don't [1:32:14] and you don't know that he'll greet you either and this is this is the thought experiment Andrew [1:32:18] Branca said I'd shoot him on the spot I'd aim my rifle and take him out I think it would depend on [1:32:24] me but I I'd say it would depend because if you're like in Canada like it's not getting well for you [1:32:28] well I said you're in an unknown country lost from civilization with limited food you see a man [1:32:31] I I I'm very um loathe even hypothetical let me give you another thought experiment this [1:32:39] actually happened let me just finish this one sure on the thought experiment there is no right answer [1:32:44] and no answer you give will ever be adequate that's the point so if you say I would call out [1:32:48] to him he responds in a foreign language if you say I approach him he shoots you if you say I [1:32:55] when we're in in situations of war especially as citizens watching a government we don't know [1:33:01] everything exactly right and there's only one question that matters do you trust this [1:33:06] administration right but throw yours out uh this is one things I learned when I was writing the [1:33:10] white pill before he was uh president Reagan was take or maybe during I remember was taken down to [1:33:16] a bunker and giving a simulation of nuclear reciprocity and they're like okay press this [1:33:25] button millions of Russians are gonna die and they're like yes and he's like uh-huh and his [1:33:29] aides are like he knew he wasn't going to press that button that he was knocking out and what's [1:33:34] amazing is Gorbachev had was had the USSR was taken to an actual mock room and they walked [1:33:40] him through it he goes I'm not pressing this button even in simulation neither of them knew [1:33:44] it wow so both of them during the Cold War were like I'm not doing anything but they both thought [1:33:50] that other guy's gonna kill millions of us in a second that's kind of what ended the cold there's [1:33:54] the famous story [1:33:55] I'm gonna say my point even in hypothetical I'm loath to say I'm gonna shoot someone because my [1:34:00] brain doesn't work like that I suppose the uh the ease depends on the context also this context like [1:34:07] a context change around automatically the thought experiment we uh we've elaborated on you are alone [1:34:12] in the middle of the woods uh walking you have a rifle and a satchel of food and water and you [1:34:17] see a man in the distance who looks just like you right and you're only alone because you just left [1:34:21] your two children and wife to go find food okay what do you do shoot the wife and kids [1:34:25] that's three days of food are you stupid that's three days of food and you can eat the people and [1:34:30] you can make more kids yeah so the point is it was funny cuz um the the point of the thought [1:34:36] experiment is just for you to Envision being in a scenario where you're approaching an Unknown [1:34:41] sure and Andrew Branca was like I'd shoot him and I was like I'd pull my rifle and shoot him I was [1:34:46] like and he's like now I got food and I'm like okay it's like Andrew's been stuck in an elevator [1:34:51] and I was like that's an answer [1:34:55] there's no wrong answer. There's no right answer. It's just imagine being in this scenario. I also [1:34:59] think it's easy to have hypotheticals, but we don't know what it would be like in that situation. [1:35:03] Right. A lot of people say, oh, as soon as someone comes to my house, I put a bullet in. [1:35:06] There's a story that happened in Texas where a guy gets rear-ended and he gets out of his car [1:35:13] angry. He just got rear-ended. And so he gets out of the car, starts screaming. The other guy gets [1:35:17] out of his car and he sees the guy screaming and ranting, walking towards him. So he puts his hand [1:35:21] up and puts his hand on his hip. The guy walking towards him sees him reaching for his gun. So he [1:35:26] grabs his gun and draws it. Then the other guy sees him drawing his gun and points his gun. And [1:35:30] then they both shoot each other. And it was simply an escalation that neither understood. The [1:35:35] presumption was the guy who got rear-ended was just pissed off. He got rear-ended, wasn't going [1:35:38] to shoot anybody. But the guy who rear-ended him sees an angry guy screaming and walking towards [1:35:42] him. And he just meant to ready himself. The guy sees a hand going to a gun and it snowballs. [1:35:47] In that hypothetical in the woods, why wouldn't it make sense for me to point the gun at, [1:35:50] let's say, Phil and be like, hey, before you shoot him. There's an escalation. [1:35:57] That's why I'm going to shoot him. Because the point of the point of the experiment is that [1:36:01] there's no right or wrong answer. You say, I draw my rifle and say, freeze. As you're grabbing your [1:36:05] rifle, he aims rifle and shoots. He sees you reaching for your gun. So he shoots you. Or [1:36:10] the other example is people will say, I yell hello. And he yells flabbo. And you go, I have [1:36:16] no idea what he just said. So with foreign means, well, I do. But the point of the experiment is [1:36:22] imagine you're in these scenarios where there's no writer, like you don't know what's going to [1:36:26] happen. You have no idea how to address a stranger. [1:36:28] Who's armed? Is this person? You're lost in the woods and you're starving. You're hungry. You have [1:36:32] one day left of food. And this guy might be thinking, I don't want to. He might knife me [1:36:36] in the back. I feel like human beings are much more neighborly and friendly, having traveled [1:36:42] different places. It's true. There were there was a couple that went biking around the world [1:36:46] because they wanted to show everybody how peaceful it is. And then they a car pulled over, jumped out [1:36:50] and slipped and chopped their heads off. But how many places did they go before they went to that [1:36:54] car? A couple dozen. Right. So that means the odds are a couple dozen. [1:36:57] Or the two women who went hiking in Morocco and then the Islamists dragged them up onto a mountain, [1:37:03] raped them. You know about the stories because they're the outliers, not the norm. [1:37:06] I didn't say it was the norm. I'm making a point like it's a half joke. You're like, [1:37:12] people are not crazy. My argument is I've traveled the world. You didn't shoot the person? [1:37:16] No. Oh, OK. No, two people working together, substantially more effective. [1:37:19] OK, thank you. Yeah. I've traveled the world and many people have asked me, [1:37:23] aren't you scared going to favelas or going into riots? And I said no, because people are all the [1:37:29] same. Most people are crazy in America. It's crazies. Most people want the same thing. They [1:37:32] want food, shelter and their families. The ideologues who wage war are rare. And so I've [1:37:38] been like when I walked around Nasser City in Egypt, I wasn't scared any one of these guys [1:37:42] was going to attack me because that doesn't serve their interests in any way. They were praying. [1:37:47] They were they were Muslim Brotherhood guys. No, in all likelihood, when they find out an [1:37:52] American journalist is there, they're going to say, please tell my story. Yeah, exactly. [1:37:55] So I'm like, there are crazy people and we've been threatened and freaked out [1:37:59] by it. But they're gangbangers in Chicago. Freaked me out all the same. [1:38:02] A lot of that metaphor of being in the woods with a dude looking at him is like communication [1:38:07] levels. If communication is in total breakdown, anyone that doesn't speak your language that's [1:38:11] out there is probably an enemy combatant. At least that's the way you got to think. But if you have [1:38:15] communication lines open and you can either speak to him or radio him ahead of time, you'll know [1:38:20] like if what the threat levels are. See the thing. Let me tell you about the simulation. One thing [1:38:25] that I think high net worth people understand that low net worth people do not is not meant to be [1:38:29] passive or humble bragging, but it's true. The amount of knives that get placed in your back when [1:38:33] you have money are orders of magnitude greater than when you don't. When you are working class, [1:38:39] you have betrayers and you have backstabber because everybody does. But when you have money, [1:38:43] there are people who will kill you for no reason. There are people you thought your friends who will [1:38:48] leak private messages from you. There are people that you would claim to be your friend and when [1:38:52] you die will leak private messages to exploit to make money on the Internet. [1:38:55] I was thinking like turning like, yeah, friendships are cool. People are great. But [1:38:59] you have a stockpile of food and they don't. Yeah, you're kind of you guys know who Big Frida is. [1:39:04] No, I didn't think I was going to bring this up on the show. Can you pull a Big Frida? F-R-E-E-D-I-A. [1:39:08] Big Frida is the biggest singer of bounce music from New Orleans. Total gender fluid. [1:39:14] Yeah, pull up an image. Big Frida. That's Big Frida. Big Frida got stabbed in St. Louis because [1:39:25] someone wanted to say, I'm the guy who stabbed Big Frida. Oh, my God. To your point, when you [1:39:30] have a certain level of status, people want to take you down just so they could say, I'm the one [1:39:34] who stabbed. But it's not about strangers. I know. Let me tell you, I probably have three former best [1:39:40] friends who have tried to destroy me and threaten my family's life. And there's four and five. [1:39:46] I have no idea. Every day after the show, Phil tackles me. And then you're going to be there. [1:39:51] You got to keep him on his toes, man. You got to keep him on his toes. I swear, Phil's trying [1:39:54] to just kill me, but he always wants to. He calls it wrestling. He actually feels pretty good. So, [1:40:00] there's a guy that I knew. We were probably best friends for a few years. He calls you Deadpool. [1:40:04] He does. There was a dude I knew, and we were probably best friends for a couple of years. [1:40:08] And a few years ago, he started posting on X fake stories about me, using pictures that we had and [1:40:16] like proof that he knew me to try and build clout. He would go on X. There was a guy that I knew that [1:40:23] I considered a pretty good friend who hacked into one of my servers and then started leaking inane [1:40:30] messages between Discord members. This is pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [1:40:32] This is a long time ago. For no reason other than to attack me and profit off of knowing me, [1:40:36] the amount of people who will betray you when you have things, regular people just have not [1:40:41] experienced this. Tim Ferriss had this great essay about 10 things that happen to you when [1:40:45] you're famous. And Tim Ferriss is obviously a huge name. And one of them was you're going to [1:40:49] have, he's like, imagine you have a village of a million people, right? Out of that million people, [1:40:53] a hundred of them are going to be crazy. And I don't mean crazy, like weird, like crazy, [1:40:57] like they think they're married to you. Yes. And he goes, when your audience reaches, I just got [1:41:02] someone just, a stalker of mine, just filled out their living will in Canada and made me the [1:41:07] beneficiary over their parents and brother. What's their net worth? I have access to the [1:41:12] bank accounts and their gametes, which is currently the Oasis Fertility Clinic in Calgary. I met this [1:41:18] person once 10 years ago. Point being, to Tim Ferriss' point, when you have a million people [1:41:22] in your audience, 100 of them are going to have these relationships with you. They aren't just [1:41:26] like, oh, I like Phil. I like his music. It's like Phil and I went to high school together. [1:41:29] And now he's not returning my calls. No, I do hear that. [1:41:32] And I've experienced that, obviously. The distinction I'm drawing, however, [1:41:35] from the phenomenon of crazies who know you, like I always talk about, I'm not scared of Antifa. I'm [1:41:39] scared of the guy who thinks I stole his spoons and is like hunting me down. There was a woman [1:41:43] on X who said, I broke into her house at two in the morning and turned her TV on, waking up her [1:41:46] family. And there are people on the left who are responding like it was true. But real quick, [1:41:51] my point is, there are people that I would consider, would have considered to be very [1:41:55] good friends, who I'm still friends with on social media, who found that they could exploit their [1:42:01] connection to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, [1:42:02] to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me [1:42:33] Yeah, I mean, look, to your point about crazy people doing things like, the guy that killed [1:42:39] Darryl Abbott, guitar player from Pantera, he was in a band called Damage Plant at the [1:42:42] time, he got on stage and shot him because he believed that it was Darryl and his brother [1:42:50] Vince that caused Pantera to break up. [1:42:53] Now, this is not true at all. [1:42:54] Even if it's true. [1:42:54] That's not what happened. [1:42:56] Yeah, sure. [1:42:58] Is someone going after Yoko? [1:42:59] It was totally fabricated in his head, yeah. [1:43:01] What about Selena? [1:43:02] She was the head of her fan club. [1:43:04] Yep. [1:43:05] I've got a couple of women who claim they're married to me. [1:43:08] Including Allison. [1:43:09] She claims it, yeah. [1:43:11] But there are people that have threatened my whole family because people I've never [1:43:17] met who claim that they married me and then I ran away or something, and it's just like, [1:43:23] no idea who this person is. [1:43:25] They're from a place I've never been to. [1:43:26] Man, parasocial since internet. [1:43:28] It's the worst. [1:43:28] Well, it's really since video and radio. [1:43:31] You start to fall in love with the vibe. [1:43:32] Like, before radio, you didn't really have the parasocial love like we do now. [1:43:37] And if your opinion disagrees with some person on something, they act like you're a boyfriend, [1:43:43] girlfriend who cheated on them. [1:43:44] Yeah. [1:43:44] The rage, and you betrayed me, and it's just like, I have no idea who you are. [1:43:48] Yeah. [1:43:48] I'm entitled to my opinions. [1:43:49] Those are the best conversations. [1:43:51] They're not. [1:43:51] Those people on the phone and talk to them for an hour. [1:43:54] I've been wanting to tell you this for years, Michael. [1:43:56] You're like, all right. [1:43:57] We're going to go to your Rumble Rants and Super Chats, so smash the like button. [1:44:00] Share the show with everyone you know. [1:44:01] And of course, the uncensored portion. [1:44:02] The uncensored portion will be coming up at 10 o'clock. [1:44:05] Yeah, Ian. [1:44:05] Save the curse. [1:44:06] Rumble.com slash TimCast. [1:44:07] Before we do, guys, go to TimCast.com. [1:44:09] Join now. [1:44:11] Get in our Discord server. [1:44:12] It's not what you know. [1:44:13] It's who you know. [1:44:14] If you want to start a business, start a band, make a movie, whatever it is you want to do, [1:44:18] the more people that you know, the more likely you are to succeed. [1:44:21] We've got tens of thousands of people in our Discord community. [1:44:24] You'll pop in and say, guys, I'm trying to make a comic book. [1:44:26] And someone's going to be like, I can help. [1:44:28] And you'll get that project started. [1:44:29] Or maybe you can help someone else get their project started. [1:44:31] But more importantly. [1:44:32] As a member, you support this show and make it possible. [1:44:36] Without you as members, the show would not exist. [1:44:38] That's a fact. [1:44:39] But let's get to your rumble rants and super chats. [1:44:41] Let's grab it. [1:44:42] We got cabbage rolls. [1:44:43] He says, when a child is born in the U.S., the child should get the same status as the parents. [1:44:47] Agreed. [1:44:49] Temporary visa for three months or permanent resident or citizen. [1:44:55] Right. [1:44:55] A lot of these things we solved if there was a legal residency program that's permanent. [1:45:00] Like your kids can't become citizens. [1:45:01] You can't become a citizen. [1:45:03] But it would. [1:45:04] Solve a lot of the stuff in the bud. [1:45:07] Omega Resetsu says, until Michael Malice can answer and prove how anarchism can work without collapse or being subjugated by outside powers, [1:45:14] I cannot take anything this clown says seriously. [1:45:16] Total joke. [1:45:17] But he called you a clown. [1:45:18] I'm perfectly fine. [1:45:20] I have no idea who you are. [1:45:22] I imagine anarchy is a gradient. [1:45:24] It's not like an on or off switch. [1:45:25] It is an on or off switch. [1:45:26] But it's just this is what we're talking about. [1:45:28] Parasocial relationships. [1:45:29] It's like, OK, someone out there doesn't take me seriously. [1:45:32] Fine. [1:45:32] There's lots of them. [1:45:33] You say there's lots of them. [1:45:34] Is an on or off? [1:45:35] Switch. [1:45:35] It's not more of a gradient where you can be like mostly anarchistic. [1:45:38] I don't think it's I think it's an on or off switch. [1:45:40] What do you think, Phil? [1:45:41] I do think that it's probably an on or off switch. [1:45:43] But it's worth noting the way that the way that Michael Michael, if I understand correctly, not to speak for you, but the way that Michael understands it, it's very much a personal thing. [1:45:51] That's right. [1:45:52] It's it's about the way that he interacts with not just government, but with the world. [1:45:56] But but that's right. [1:45:57] I agree. [1:45:57] My point is most people don't know what anarchism is. [1:46:01] Correct. [1:46:02] And most conservatives think anarchy means violence. [1:46:05] And chaos. [1:46:05] And it's antifa. [1:46:06] Yeah. [1:46:07] And then we tried to explain the root origin of the words anarchy. [1:46:11] Would you like to explain the Latin root? [1:46:13] No, but I would like them to read the Anarchist Handbook and learn more because just even though they still are not going to hear it, the Latin root doesn't really matter to them. [1:46:20] Arche coming from. [1:46:21] I can explain in one. [1:46:22] I can explain in 30 seconds or one minute. [1:46:24] But you can explain in two words. [1:46:26] It's not that's not explaining anything without rulers. [1:46:29] Yeah. [1:46:30] People don't understand how that's possible. [1:46:32] But but but I suppose the issue is philosophical. [1:46:37] Anarchism doesn't it doesn't matter if there's rulers or not. [1:46:41] Right. [1:46:42] If you're absolutely it's a personal view. [1:46:43] So here's exactly in the same way that people say the joke is everyone's an anarchist atheist with one exception. [1:46:49] You don't believe in Zeus. [1:46:50] You don't believe authority. [1:46:51] But if you believe in your one God, if all of us went to another country where alcohol was illegal and someone's passing around a beer at a party, we would ask ourselves, do we want to drink? [1:47:00] What are the risks? [1:47:01] But at no point in our head are we like, well, the government says it's wrong, so we're not going to do it. [1:47:06] So anarchism is that approach to every government, including yourself. [1:47:09] You're on your own. [1:47:10] That's it. [1:47:12] Yep. [1:47:12] And I think a component of kind of the discussion we were having earlier about how the law is never the letter of the law. [1:47:19] It's exactly what it's willing to say in the anarchist handbook. [1:47:22] It says the myth of objective law, which addresses the exact point. [1:47:24] So a perfect example of this is how Pokemon cards are gambling. [1:47:30] Are you because you're investing in them? [1:47:31] Is that legally? [1:47:32] No, no. [1:47:32] Because I've been I've been basically making this point that one of the big stories I think is happening right now with Gen Z is the expansion of gambling and casinos across the country. [1:47:40] That's true. [1:47:40] Miriam. [1:47:41] Adelson is a huge donor of Donald Trump and has been trying to get the Sands Corporation into Texas for opening casinos. [1:47:45] Right. [1:47:46] And what the point I've been making with this is here's a better example. [1:47:51] We don't got to talk about Pokemon is that in West Virginia, by the letter of the law, cohabitation is illegal. [1:47:56] A man and a woman cannot be roommates. [1:47:59] They cannot share a domicile if they are not married. [1:48:02] That's a crime. [1:48:03] No cop is going to arrest you for it, even though the law says it. [1:48:06] And even if they arrested you, no prosecutor is going to take it. [1:48:09] Throw it out. [1:48:09] So when they were doing the child drag shows, I pointed out. [1:48:12] It's already illegal. [1:48:14] It says lewd behavior in public is a crime. [1:48:17] It is aggravated if children are present. [1:48:19] And I said, these drag shows are lewd behavior by any stretch. [1:48:24] If we're looking at the letter of the law, when it was written in the spirit of the law. [1:48:27] Right. [1:48:28] If you go back to the, you know, 1890 drag is to be offensive and provocative. [1:48:33] But why won't they enforce the law in West Virginia? [1:48:38] Well, apparently they have stopped doing the child drag shows because I made these threats. [1:48:43] So when I came on the show and said Berkeley County is having child drag shows and they were doing it next door, like literally on the street at my property, they apparently canceled it and stopped doing it, saying they were scared that I was going to get the governor or someone because I actually complained to the AG Morrissey when he was attorney general. [1:49:00] I went to him and said, you're the attorney general of the state. [1:49:04] Why are there child drag shows in Berkeley County? [1:49:07] Jefferson County banned it outright by county decree, like ordinance or whatever. [1:49:11] And he said, that's the prosecutors. [1:49:12] He's like, I'm the AG. [1:49:13] I don't do. [1:49:14] He's like, I'm the lawyer for the state. [1:49:16] And so we look at the DOJ and the AG and we assume she's going to direct these things. [1:49:21] We assume the states do it, too. [1:49:22] But apparently just by saying I did, they stopped having them. [1:49:25] OK, good. [1:49:25] And then they complained locally and went on forums online saying Tim Pool ruined our fun. [1:49:29] And I'm like, I'm happy. [1:49:30] Yes. [1:49:30] Why are there never drag shows for like senior citizens? [1:49:34] Right. [1:49:34] They're bored. [1:49:35] They're OK. [1:49:36] Teach them to not be so bigoted is the argument. [1:49:40] Snozberry says, first I get locked in California. [1:49:42] Now I get my citizenship removed by Michael Malice. [1:49:44] What a week. [1:49:47] Yesterday. [1:49:47] No regrets. [1:49:48] Yesterday, we said we should build a wall around California. [1:49:51] And just sorry if you're there, you're trapped. [1:49:52] I had said during 2020 that if Trump threatened to nuke California, he'd win all 50 states. [1:49:58] All including California. [1:50:02] They'd be like, finally. [1:50:04] He's tough, but fair. [1:50:06] Same old man says, Tim and crew, do you think we need a tyrant voted in and control of our government for eight to 10 years to get things done? [1:50:12] I don't think we need anything. [1:50:13] I think the point is. [1:50:14] Might makes might doesn't make right, but might makes. [1:50:18] I think that the president and this is one of the big issues I think in America, the president has a lot less power than people think he does in our system. [1:50:26] Yeah. [1:50:27] Oh, yeah. [1:50:27] Yeah. [1:50:28] People because they campaign and I'm going to change everything. [1:50:30] You're really handcuffed to many. [1:50:31] I half agree. [1:50:33] Functionally, it's true. [1:50:34] But if it was more like a Machiavellian thing, they certainly have a lot of power. [1:50:40] But not as much as people think. [1:50:41] That's all I'm saying. [1:50:41] Like Trump could go to powerful billionaire interests and say. [1:50:44] We're going to waive that fee for you. [1:50:47] You're going to put money into my packs. [1:50:48] Yeah. [1:50:49] You know what I mean? [1:50:49] That's true. [1:50:50] That's true. [1:50:50] There's there's things like that that are not real like authority. [1:50:52] But but it's also it's just it's kind of to me, it's kind of insane. [1:50:56] People act like he has this huge majority in the House and has no functional majority. [1:51:00] So he's really hands are tied many ways. [1:51:02] One of the things that people give me the most crap about when it comes to like talking on on the show is I'll be like, you know, look, nobody likes the way the sausage is made. [1:51:10] Right. [1:51:10] Federal government is supposed to act slow, is supposed to work slowly. [1:51:13] It's actually not supposed to do most of the. [1:51:14] Stuff that that it does. [1:51:16] And people get so upset. [1:51:17] We shut up liberal. [1:51:18] Yeah, exactly. [1:51:19] You're a communist. [1:51:20] You know, you want this to happen. [1:51:21] You're a cuck or whatever, you know, and it's like just because I'm not not even saying that I like it. [1:51:25] I'm just articulating this is what this is the reality we live in. [1:51:29] But if you articulate that, that means you're endorsing it in their minds. [1:51:32] They cannot process. [1:51:33] Which is exactly why I have have such a such an affinity for your worldview when it comes to the way people. [1:51:40] You are welcome. [1:51:41] We got this from Dowie says. [1:51:43] If Iran's Navy and Air Force. [1:51:44] Is destroyed, how is Strait of Hormuz closed to us? [1:51:47] I had the same question. [1:51:48] How does it open up naturally? [1:51:49] Hate to say it, but he seems delusional or in denial because missile launchers are different from an Air Force or a Navy. [1:51:55] Yeah, that land, that land. [1:51:57] What what city is? [1:51:58] So they have missile launchers, which is another component of the objectives to remove their anti their missile launcher sites, which are Sam sites, surface to air missiles as well as surface to surface. [1:52:08] They've been shooting missiles at Israel, which is like 1000 miles away or whatever. [1:52:11] And homies like, how are they going to shoot missiles at the Strait of Hormuz? [1:52:14] And they've laid mines. [1:52:16] The other question I have is whoever Iran puts in charge, they're going to have an enormous incentive to not cut a deal because you just killed our top guys. [1:52:26] Like if someone killed Trump and Vance, God forbid, because I don't want to wish harm on anybody and someone's like, all right, let's cut a deal. [1:52:33] We're not going to be like, yeah, you know what? [1:52:35] Like, we're friends now. [1:52:36] That's not a thing. [1:52:36] No, but sometimes you surrender. [1:52:39] But OK, but I don't think they're anywhere close to the point where they need to surrender. [1:52:43] I agree. [1:52:43] But I do think that there is a point. [1:52:44] Where you flatten a country and then like, look at Iraq, not like we're good friends with Iraq now, but we certainly installed the government. [1:52:51] But I don't think we're in a position to install a strongman in Maduro. [1:52:55] No, we look at Venezuela. [1:52:56] Maduro has. [1:52:57] Yeah, but Venezuela's bent the knee. [1:52:59] I think that Iranian we don't know if Maduro was in on that deal. [1:53:02] No, he's not. [1:53:03] They captured him and the rest were like, no, no. [1:53:05] I think Maduro could have easily been like, look, here's your choice. [1:53:07] We're going to take you out or give you a nice vacation. [1:53:09] And he took the. [1:53:10] I disagree, I think. [1:53:12] So you're familiar with tales from the economic from an economic. [1:53:14] Man, no. [1:53:16] I think we talked about this, though. [1:53:17] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:53:17] We did when we're in Austin. [1:53:19] There's a book where a guy says basically the U.S. [1:53:21] plan is like, first, we bribe you. [1:53:22] If you don't do it, that won't work. [1:53:25] We kill you. Right. [1:53:25] And if we can't kill you by, you know, through assassins, then invasion is the way we do it. [1:53:30] I would believe just from a business perspective, you call it Maduro and say, listen, you're going to be fat and rich. [1:53:37] Your people are going to be fat and rich. [1:53:38] We're going to let you do your thing, OK? [1:53:40] We're going to give you a bunch of money from oil, such as the oil. [1:53:42] And he went, no. [1:53:43] And they went, if you don't. [1:53:45] We're going to take you by force. [1:53:46] And he went, try me. [1:53:47] We got a discombobulated, bro. [1:53:48] And they took him. [1:53:49] The rest of the Venezuelans, like, we're just like, we just want to be rich. [1:53:52] That's right. [1:53:53] We'll just we'll just take the money. [1:53:54] The Iranians, they're so new. [1:53:56] The new government, I think I think the Internet's out. [1:53:59] I think it's been out for about 30 plus days. [1:54:00] Oh, yeah. [1:54:01] So when they get Internet and they see that the civilianry actually wants a new government, that's when they'll capitulate. [1:54:06] I don't believe. [1:54:06] Oh, no way. [1:54:07] They don't care. [1:54:07] There's no internal pressure, right? [1:54:09] I do not believe the majority of Iran wants a revolution. [1:54:13] So the way I've explained it is. [1:54:15] Imagine what Iran is doing to the people in Iran. [1:54:18] They're showing videos of BLM protests and ICE protests saying the people of America are desperately fighting an evil regime. [1:54:23] And they're calling for Trump to be removed. [1:54:25] And Trump killed two innocent people because he won't give up power. [1:54:29] And Soleimani, who you don't have to bring out of him. [1:54:31] Exactly. [1:54:32] But we know it's a fringe element that is protesting. [1:54:35] And it was two people, which was bad. [1:54:36] But there were circumstances involved in that. [1:54:38] So we see these these big stories of mass protests. [1:54:41] And we are told by our government, the people of Iran want a revolution. [1:54:44] And I say, sure. [1:54:45] Sure. [1:54:45] Play the propaganda game. [1:54:47] I do believe there's probably a decent percentage, double digits, that want a revolution. [1:54:50] No question. [1:54:51] The overwhelming majority are probably like, we're being attacked by America. [1:54:54] F them. [1:54:54] Right. [1:54:55] What I've heard is like 25% of the people are actually pro-Iranian regime. [1:54:59] 25% are very, very anti-Iranian regime. [1:55:02] And 50% of the people are like, man, I just want to go to war. [1:55:04] And a lot of these Persians fled. [1:55:06] That's the ones who would be the most likely to be in favor of this revolution. [1:55:10] They're not in Iran anymore. [1:55:12] But this is a good one. [1:55:12] Quantum Strange Quarks, as I asked Michael this question in his [1:55:15] answer, saved my sanity. [1:55:17] Oh. [1:55:17] What is the most important political lesson you have learned? [1:55:20] Political discourse is virtually always pointless, disingenuous, and frankly, impossible. [1:55:25] Oh, well, you're welcome. [1:55:26] But it's just like, what utility does it have for you to convert someone to your political point of view? [1:55:33] Are they going to be there when your mom passes away and you could call her? [1:55:36] What's more important to you? [1:55:37] The most important political lesson that I learned is that no one, not a single person anywhere, [1:55:42] at any point is smarter than Michael Mills. [1:55:44] I don't think that's true. [1:55:46] You're pretty smart. [1:55:46] Yeah, but there's way people who are way smarter than me. [1:55:49] I think it's called the president. [1:55:50] Yeah, it's called everybody in Congress. [1:55:52] Political discourse. [1:55:53] Everybody in Congress. [1:55:54] I mean, including Nancy Mace. [1:55:56] Political discourse can get a little like self-serving, but educating the young people so that when you're retiring, [1:56:02] you're able to guide the system. [1:56:04] I don't regard that as discourse. [1:56:05] I want to say this. [1:56:07] We had Kyla, not so erudite, on for a couple of days, for three days when we were in Austin. [1:56:12] Oh, she's a lefty. [1:56:13] She's a super lefty. [1:56:14] And but she's nice to us. [1:56:15] Yeah. [1:56:15] Yeah. [1:56:16] She's willing to have conversations, and I respect that. [1:56:18] So we invited her to come out and come on the show. [1:56:19] However, probably the biggest point of contention was when we brought up the story about Kathy Hochul saying we have to go to Palm Beach to get the wealthy back. [1:56:27] She said that didn't happen. [1:56:29] And I said, here's the video for saying it. [1:56:30] And she goes, it's the New York Post. [1:56:31] It's wrong. [1:56:32] And I said, here are 13 different stories explaining that wealthy people are leaving New York because of taxes. [1:56:37] And she goes, it's fake news. [1:56:38] Tim, we earlier brought up, I'm just going for the audience, that Charlottesville tape. [1:56:43] And I said, if you played it to lefties, and she seems to be an honest lefty, broadly speaking. [1:56:46] What you describe her? [1:56:47] What? [1:56:47] OK, let's put the specific argument. [1:56:49] What percent of them would be converted? [1:56:51] You said 65. [1:56:52] Oh, that's incorrect. [1:56:52] I said default liberals, as described by Andrew Breitbart. [1:56:55] OK, I what are you categorizing default liberal? [1:56:57] A default liberal is a guy or a woman. [1:56:59] They don't watch the news all that much. [1:57:00] OK, that's very different. [1:57:01] OK, but they believe. [1:57:02] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:57:03] OK, that's very different. [1:57:04] Right. [1:57:05] Lefties are going to be like, I'll say whatever I have to say for power. [1:57:07] And just we saw that with the guy with the children getting the trans surgeries. [1:57:11] It's like, oh, no, no, no, no. [1:57:13] There's nothing you could show them. [1:57:14] That's going to change. [1:57:15] My favorite example. [1:57:16] Is one of the greatest poker players of all time. [1:57:19] I'm sorry, I don't want to move on. [1:57:20] So she just said it's not it's not true, even if she saw the video. [1:57:23] And then she she asked, I believe it was Chet GPT that said less than I said, [1:57:27] around 2% of people flee to high taxes. [1:57:30] And I said, that's fantastic for a general nationwide study in New York. [1:57:34] The the public budget is showing they are. [1:57:37] They lost. [1:57:38] Was it like $10 billion in revenue? [1:57:40] Holy crap. [1:57:41] Maybe it was like California scenes. [1:57:42] No, no. [1:57:42] $10 billion in income, which would have translated. [1:57:44] Yeah, that's that's still. [1:57:45] But I want to I want to give this. [1:57:46] It's a really great reaction, though. [1:57:48] Just keep denying it. [1:57:49] She said, first of all, show the New York Post is a bad source. [1:57:51] Fine. [1:57:52] And then I said, here's a bunch of other sources. [1:57:53] She goes, this is not true. [1:57:54] And I said, do you think they're all fake news? [1:57:56] Because she said, yes, 1%. [1:57:58] And I said, do you think that Kathy Hoka believes fake news goes? [1:58:00] Yes. [1:58:00] And I said, OK, if we can't agree on what is simply being reported from a right [1:58:05] from a stage, where are we going to go? [1:58:06] Where are we going to go? [1:58:07] But I want to make this example because one of the greatest poker players [1:58:10] of all time, Daniel Negreanu, it was a liberal dude, a Canadian vegan guy. [1:58:14] Oh, God. [1:58:14] And he's a raging. [1:58:16] It was a raging lib. Right. [1:58:18] And there's another of the greatest poker players ever. [1:58:21] Mike Matus, oh, OK, who was friends with Daniel and who's a Trump guy. [1:58:26] And he would try to explain to Daniel when he's wrong. [1:58:30] And they would argue until one fateful day [1:58:34] when Mike Matus said, I took my phone, [1:58:38] pulled up the video of Trump speaking, and I said, you are wrong. [1:58:41] Watch. [1:58:42] And he pressed play and slid it across the table. [1:58:44] And Daniel went fine and looked. [1:58:46] And then after watching the video, he went, wow. [1:58:49] I didn't know that. [1:58:51] And instantly said, tell me more. [1:58:54] He is very liberal in many ways. [1:58:57] Sure. [1:58:57] He's a vegan Canadian guy. [1:58:59] But he said, wow, I was wrong about that. [1:59:01] But that's what a smart, normal person does. [1:59:03] The default libs might be very excitable because they don't pay attention to the news. [1:59:08] That's a low, low propensity. [1:59:11] What's the low something voter? [1:59:12] Low propensity voter. [1:59:13] Frequency. [1:59:14] Yeah. [1:59:14] Say about high information, low wisdom is you think you know the truth and it's hard to see how you could be wrong. [1:59:19] But hold on. [1:59:20] Michael makes the best point ever. [1:59:22] Why would the weatherman lie to you? [1:59:24] Right. [1:59:24] And so for someone like Daniel Negreanu, he's not a news guy. [1:59:27] He's a poker guy. [1:59:28] So he passively hears news. [1:59:29] He sees the TV and he's thinking to himself, I just saw that report. [1:59:33] They're not lying. [1:59:34] Someone's trying to convince him that's all fake. [1:59:37] It's just like, bro, I'm not going to trust you over the news. [1:59:40] And then you show him the video. [1:59:42] And then he went, wow. [1:59:44] Michael, that that that point that you made, like trying to explain this to someone is is trying like trying to explain to a person [1:59:50] that not only is the not the weatherman is not wrong, he's lying to you. [1:59:54] That's what it sounds like. [1:59:56] That's what it's such a great way to articulate it, because that seems like such an absurd thing. [2:00:01] You're a lunatic. [2:00:02] Yeah, yeah. [2:00:03] You're literally lunatic. [2:00:04] Why am I even talking to you? [2:00:05] What do you mean? [2:00:06] Right. [2:00:06] You know, like the weatherman is lying. [2:00:07] All of them. [2:00:08] Yeah. [2:00:09] Are you stupid? [2:00:10] How would they how would they even have a job? [2:00:11] Yeah. [2:00:12] Truth be told, most of them are not giving you adequate. [2:00:14] But they're not lying. [2:00:15] Right. [2:00:16] I think they're telling the truth. [2:00:17] They just don't have the information. [2:00:18] Here's the reason. [2:00:19] They're trying to tell you the best of their abilities. [2:00:20] But they're speculating. [2:00:21] Here's where you and I disagree. [2:00:22] Like the number of people, I think that ceiling for the people [2:00:26] who can become like, oh, crap is much lower than you do. [2:00:30] I'm not talking about leftists. [2:00:31] I'm talking about even a default liberals. [2:00:34] I still think it's a minority. [2:00:35] There's liberals. [2:00:37] There's conservatives. Right. [2:00:38] And there's default liberals. [2:00:39] I'm talking about default. [2:00:40] Default liberal doesn't mean someone who waves a Ukrainian flag. [2:00:43] I understand. [2:00:43] It means a regular uninitiated person. I agree. [2:00:45] And they vote liberal because they don't know better. [2:00:47] I agree. [2:00:47] And I'm saying that number is lower. [2:00:49] I my my guess as to what number that [2:00:51] is. [2:00:51] Is lower than yours. [2:00:52] I don't think so. [2:00:53] I think the default lives of the people who watch Joe Rogan. [2:00:56] I hear you, but I still think it's it's a low like the point. [2:00:59] Because a lot of it also is who you surround yourself with. [2:01:01] That's true. [2:01:02] Because if you're going to be like Trump's not that bad for many people, [2:01:04] that adds up their whole life. [2:01:06] The point Breitbart was making is that there are people who don't pay attention [2:01:10] to politics in the least, but when they go to the voting booth, they check Democrat. [2:01:13] Correct. [2:01:14] These people can be convinced by arguments. Correct. [2:01:16] My point is the percent of them that can be convinced [2:01:19] if I had to guess, guess the number is lower than the percent [2:01:22] you would guess. [2:01:22] Perhaps we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show right now. [2:01:25] So smash that like button, share the show and head over to Rumble dot com slash [2:01:29] Timcast IRL, where we're going to say naughty words and make jokes [2:01:33] that are not so family friendly. [2:01:34] Yeah. [2:01:34] Follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. [2:01:37] Michael, you want to shout anything out? [2:01:38] Yes. 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