Jason Lee Addresses Drama with Joe Budden, And Banning Donald Trump (FULL INTERVIEW — BagFuel)

[0:00] BagFu, baby. [0:30] You heard? [0:31] What up? [0:32] What's going on? [0:33] How do we describe Jason Lee? [0:35] Media, mobster? [0:36] Yeah, it depends on who you ask. [0:39] I like to get the internet going, so I really, you know, whatever. [0:42] Because right now, you got a situation with BET right now. [0:47] Like, how did that come about? [0:49] So, the Jason Lee Show, so I'll just start with the show I created after, you know, [0:55] Wendy Williams had become a really close friend of mine, and I had my podcast and I was kind [0:59] of doing things, but when she, you know, wasn't able to do season 18, they asked me to host [1:03] it, and I said, oh, well, this is great. [1:05] Because I think I had been, like, fighting hard to get my own talk show on TV, because [1:09] I just thought I needed to be on TV. [1:10] Even though everybody said, well, you already got an audience online, TV's going online, [1:15] you're working backwards. [1:16] But in my mind, I felt like I needed to be on TV. [1:19] So, when they asked me to host her show, I was like, yeah, I'm going to do, I'll bring [1:23] Tiffany the first day, I'll bring Cardi the next day, I'll bring Mariah Carey to pop out. [1:27] Like, in my mind, I started already producing what I would have done if it was my show, [1:32] and they loved it. [1:33] But then they were like, yo, but you're not big enough to do it by yourself. [1:35] So, who's going to co-host with you? [1:37] And I was just offended. [1:38] So, I told the dude who owns the show, I said, you know, no disrespect, but fuck you, [1:43] I'm going to go build my own show. [1:45] And I went and I built, found the location, found the set designer, designed my own set. [1:50] And then I launched my show, Cardi was my first guest. [1:53] And then, so, you know, we launched it on Revolt. [1:55] So, I got it on TV. [1:56] We beat them in the numbers, did that for like 24 episodes. [1:59] And then I took it off of Revolt because I was just like, you know, I want more money. [2:03] I want more. [2:04] They actually paid you? [2:05] Who? [2:06] Revolt. [2:07] Come on, stop playing with me. [2:08] They're known for swindling, moving money. [2:11] They paid me what I wanted and they paid me on time. [2:16] And they, yes, shout out to the Tavio, shout out to the people that did that deal. [2:20] Yes, they paid me. [2:21] But you said they didn't want to, they weren't paying you enough. [2:23] First of all, did they pay you was crazy. [2:25] I'm not going nowhere where I'm not getting paid. [2:27] Let's just start with that. [2:28] Ain't no, yes, I got paid. [2:30] So, yeah, I went over there and I had, it was a licensing deal. [2:33] So, I controlled the show. [2:35] It was, I had final cut approval. [2:37] I had executive producer. [2:39] I owned the content. [2:40] So, for me, it was a great deal. [2:42] And it was a great partnership with the Black Loan Network. [2:44] And then I took it off of Revolt. [2:46] And then I let it blow up on Hollywood Unlocked. [2:48] We were getting millions and millions of views. [2:50] And then I went over to Zeus and did 25 episodes there. [2:54] It had a great partnership with Lemuel. [2:55] I still have a partnership with him on other stuff. [2:57] But then with BET, when they launched the Creator Studio to give other creators an opportunity, [3:02] I was like, you know, I'm all about supporting everybody. [3:05] Because, you know, when I came in the game, the gatekeepers didn't really want to give me an opportunity. [3:09] So, I was like, yo, I'm going to go over here and help promote the launch of their new network. [3:13] And so, now I'm here, 36 episodes, same deal, own it. [3:16] And yeah, they cut the check. [3:17] Nothing wrong with that. [3:18] Why are you so controversial? [3:20] Am I controversial? [3:22] Who said I'm controversial? [3:23] Man. [3:24] Come on, you got to stop. [3:25] Who said I'm controversial? [3:26] You got to stop. [3:27] But for people that rock with you, I know a lot of people that know you. [3:31] They be like, yo, he cool as hell. [3:33] Yeah. [3:34] You know what I'm saying? [3:35] They support me. [3:36] You wild controversial. [3:37] Why are you so controversial? [3:39] It's funny you said that. [3:40] And the way you said it is perfect. [3:41] Because if you ask people who know me or that just know me, whether they like me or whatever, [3:47] they know me. [3:48] They know, like, I'm a good person. [3:49] I'm a good-hearted person. [3:50] I'm an honest person. [3:51] I'm a supportive person. [3:52] I'm a generous person. [3:54] And then you ask people that don't like me, why you don't like them? [3:58] I mean, they're not going to tell you how we got there. [4:01] But we definitely got there because of something that maybe they did that I saw and I had an [4:07] opinion about. [4:08] Because having an opinion in this business is going to create controversy. [4:11] You know, it just is. [4:12] That's very true. [4:13] And it's sad because there are some people who I love who I'm like a fan of. [4:19] And I'm like, how did we get on the other side of, how did we get on the other side? [4:22] Because you was a fan of them because you ain't know them and they was on some bullshit [4:26] once you got to know them. [4:27] That's just the music business. [4:29] There is that too. [4:30] I got into the music business loving music. [4:33] You know what I'm saying? [4:34] Going to college, throwing parties, really pushing the culture forward. [4:38] You know what I'm saying? [4:39] Paying people to do shows and everything. [4:41] Paying them to do shows and actually being in the business, making music, being around [4:48] them, seeing who they really are. [4:50] I don't even listen to music no more. [4:52] I hate the shit. [4:53] So everybody went, oh, he's so-and-so. [4:55] He's a fucking asshole. [4:56] You know what I'm saying? [4:57] So I can't even listen to his shit. [4:59] Because he's fake and this shit is phony. [5:01] You know what I'm saying? [5:02] So yeah, having that opinion and loving it and wanting to do it. [5:06] But when you see these people, when you get a chance to be around them, it can change [5:10] your perspective of what you got going on. [5:12] Think about it, right? [5:13] Hollywood Unlocked sees the good and the worst of it all day long. [5:16] So like we see it all day long. [5:18] I was laughing with a friend of mine the other day like, how do you be getting all this information? [5:22] First of all, I don't even know what Hollywood Unlocked be doing because I'm not over there. [5:26] I own it. [5:27] I don't post. [5:28] I don't- [5:29] You're not day to day. [5:30] I set the vision for what we do, how we do it. [5:34] But Keisha who's over there, she manages all the content. [5:37] But they never attack her. [5:38] I always throw her name. [5:39] I throw her name under the bus all the time. [5:43] I'm like, Keisha did that. [5:44] You might have to have a shit in the interview. [5:46] You know, when somebody calls me and they get mad, I put her in a group text with them. [5:50] Keisha did that. [5:51] You know, because I take no responsibility. [5:53] I set the vision for it. [5:54] It's a business. [5:55] But like, you know, to your point, when you get in it, I got in it as a fan. [5:59] I love music. [6:00] I love film. [6:01] I love it. [6:02] I love hip hop. [6:03] I talked to RZA yesterday. [6:05] Like I was like, I can't believe I'm on the phone with this icon. [6:08] Right? [6:09] But then like when you have Hollywood Unlocked and every 15 minutes you're posting things [6:13] and you're seeing things, you're kind of like, damn, this is not how I saw it. [6:18] This isn't even what I thought it was. [6:20] And then when people, you know, we live in a cancel culture world where people are just afraid to be themselves. [6:25] I'm like, how do you get afraid to be yourself? [6:27] Just on the way up here, TMZ stopped me and said, are you afraid to be censored? [6:30] I'm like, who's going to censor me? [6:32] Who can turn the lights off of a building you own? [6:35] You can't turn. [6:36] You can't censor me. [6:37] You can be mad at me. [6:38] You can call around and try to hate on me. [6:40] But like, you can't cut the lights off of Hollywood Unlocked because I own it. [6:43] What did it take to build Hollywood Unlocked? [6:46] Because I remember it started off as a podcast. [6:49] And what drew me to it is the production, the quality. [6:54] It looked, even by today's standards, it was beyond what we see today. [6:58] And I'm like, oh, this shit different. [7:00] And then all of a sudden it evolved into this. [7:02] Like, what was the mission to make that happen? [7:05] Well, it's funny that you say it looked that way. [7:08] It didn't look that way to us. [7:10] I mean, I've always felt like it could be better. [7:12] I still feel like in many ways, you know, we can do better. [7:15] I mean, the Jason Lee show is produced great now because we know we've built a good show. [7:20] Interesting. [7:21] And our award show, the Impact Awards is great coming back for its sixth season. [7:26] What did it take? [7:27] Shit. [7:28] It took a lot of courage because when I first started, you had like these people mad at me. [7:33] And then, you know, I didn't even know the whole crip blood gang in the business. [7:36] And I'm getting calls like, how you get my number? [7:40] You know I tell. [7:41] I will testify on every motherfucker. [7:44] You ain't, my assistant's name is Rico and you can catch a motherfucking Rico. [7:48] Yes, absolutely. [7:50] I will tell. [7:51] I will tell. [7:52] And so I had to like, so I had to establish friendships real quick. [7:56] But you know what's crazy is all the people that they were using to call and intimidate [8:00] me, they like me. [8:01] Cause they like, damn, like you, you a real solid person who like, for example, I'll give [8:06] you an example. [8:07] Well, I don't want to, if I say a name now, they gonna connect it all that. [8:09] Let me just say this. [8:10] There was somebody who's like really, like really important to the culture. [8:16] Who's, who's artists went through some real crazy shit. [8:19] I didn't wait for them to call me. [8:20] I called them like, let me help you. [8:22] This is how we going to do it. [8:23] I started doing all the plays calling this person at this, this, this blogger, this person. [8:28] I'm going to spin the narrative. [8:29] We going to get this on under control real quick. [8:32] And I do that a lot. [8:33] You know, when, you know, when, when, uh, Cardi went off on Madonna on online and she [8:38] called me, she goes, I just went off on Madonna. [8:40] I was like Madonna, who like the icon? [8:42] Can't we can't do that. [8:43] So when I'm on the phone with her talking her through it, Madonna's on the other line texting [8:48] me. [8:49] I'm on the phone. [8:50] They fixed it, repaired. [8:51] I said, all I want is a tweet that said, thank you. [8:52] Cause I, as much as people think I'm out starting shit, I'm also like helping to fix a lot of [8:56] things. [8:57] So people don't know that. [8:58] That's no, they don't. [8:59] No, that don't sell. [9:00] That don't, that don't sell people. [9:02] Controversy sales. [9:03] Drama sales. [9:04] But sometimes two people need to know that you're going out your way to repair that relationship. [9:08] Most people say, I'm not getting involved because whenever you try to fix a situation, [9:13] it's like you're stepping on a landmine trying to get to somewhere else. [9:17] And it's a dangerous job. [9:18] So it takes a lot of courage to stabilize controversy in my opinion. [9:23] Well, that's why for me, I'm all about strategic chaos. [9:26] Like, yeah, I've created a lot of chaos, but it's, I intended to do it. [9:30] I very rarely did something on accident, you know, like, Oh, I didn't know that I was going [9:35] to, no, it's strategic chaos. [9:37] Cause get the internet going, then point them back to your products, point them back to your [9:41] shows, then get the internet going, then point them over to something you're doing over here. [9:44] So for me, it's all strategic chaos. [9:46] I've always looked at the internet. [9:47] Like, okay. [9:48] You know, people are just very fragile these days. [9:51] Just the other day I did a video where this basketball, oh, damn, I forgot. [9:55] I didn't even say the sport. [9:56] This athlete sent me a cease and desist letter. [9:58] Come on, it's a slam dunk champion. [10:00] I don't know nothing about none of that. [10:02] I'm just saying how you send me a cease and desist letter when you got my number, like, [10:06] that to me is weird. [10:07] You know, like, it'd be like, I meet y'all today and then like, we establish a relationship. [10:11] Then I see something I don't like and I have my lawyer send you a letter when I can pick [10:14] up the phone. [10:15] So for me, I, I, you know, old Jason, whatever. [10:18] That's regular shit to me. [10:19] Is it? [10:20] These niggas be doing some clown shit. [10:22] I mean, it be, it be regular. [10:23] I, I more expect the clown shit than the real shit. [10:28] When I get the real shit, I'm skeptical. [10:30] Like what is this motherfucker doing? [10:32] Because all these motherfuckers is fake, backstabbing, corny ass niggas. [10:36] So when somebody give me some real shit, I got to really like start, start thinking. [10:40] Yeah. [10:41] That's, and that's crazy that we're there. [10:42] And that's why I feel like, you know, I, I was in my feelings that day. [10:45] I said, man, let me go ahead and just do this little post on Instagram. [10:47] But you said because you, you turned him down. [10:50] He wasn't your type that. [10:51] Yeah. [10:52] Please don't try to invite me to your house. [10:53] Then send me no legal paperwork. [10:54] So you know about what he's talking about? [10:56] It was in the video. [10:57] You didn't watch the whole video. [10:58] It went viral. [10:59] I'm not, I'm not a content dude. [11:00] You sent me the video. [11:01] It was the same video. [11:02] Oh, the video that I sent you. [11:03] No, it went, it went super viral. [11:06] But the thing about it, I ain't gonna lie. [11:08] It made me feel good. [11:09] Cause I'm like, I still got it. [11:10] You know, like I don't do it a lot anymore, but like I still got it. [11:13] So you feel good turning down NBA players. [11:15] I turned down. [11:16] I mean, look, I get reject. [11:17] Rejection is just a part of the game. [11:19] You're not going to get everything you shoot. [11:21] No pun intended. [11:22] Every shot you take, you ain't gonna hit, you know, but it's okay. [11:26] I'm okay. [11:27] I just, you know, going back to your point though. [11:29] Like when we going to keep it real? [11:31] Like what, like when, when is being real not going to be weird? [11:35] I don't, I don't. [11:36] I mean, just this day and age is people can't take the truth. [11:41] Sensitivity. [11:42] People don't like you being straight up because I'm very a straight up person. [11:46] Like, you know what I'm saying? [11:47] They don't like that. [11:48] That's bullying type of shit. [11:50] So it's like people getting off on being fake right now. [11:54] Like that's the wave. [11:55] Like you got to act like you something that you not. [11:57] I, yo, come in there. [11:59] And so just be nice to people. [12:01] I'm not necessarily a super duper nice person. [12:04] I'm nice to the people that I fuck with, but I'm not just going to be jolly walking up to niggas. [12:09] Like, hey, what's your name? [12:10] I'm not talking to him. [12:11] You know, as he's talking, I'm like, he's so New York. [12:13] You know, like, but I love New Yorkers. [12:15] And then I'm, I'm, I'm a Cali guy, obviously. [12:18] But like people be like, are you from New York? [12:20] Like, no, I'm not from New York. [12:21] Cause in Cali and this isn't to like the LA dude. [12:24] Cause LA dudes are, those are some real people. [12:26] I feel like there's this thing where like being fake is being real. [12:30] Like I love New Yorkers. [12:31] They'll tell you if they like, you don't like, you know where you stand with them. [12:34] And that's, and you know, I'm from Stockton, California. [12:36] We're pretty much the same. [12:37] So yeah, I love New Yorkers, but I'm hearing you talking like, yeah, he's so New York. [12:41] What was it like? [12:42] You know, cause you had the whole controversy with your hometown and the politics. [12:46] Like was there a conservative effort to attack you? [12:51] Yes. [12:53] We had shine. [12:54] He said that corruption got him out of his seat. [12:57] I also said my mom's ran for political office and her corruption game wasn't better than the winner. [13:02] Yes. [13:03] So was there an intended attack on you? [13:06] Well, let me say this, the winners who, well, they're not winners. [13:09] They're, they're losers and they're losing right now to me. [13:11] I mean, the thing about it is I didn't even want to get into politics. [13:15] I just felt like it's somebody who made it out of the hood, who made it out of, I mean, [13:19] I wasn't even poor. [13:20] I was like dirt poor. [13:21] Mom was on drugs, group home kid, got out, got shot, brother got murdered. [13:25] Dad wasn't present. [13:26] Like I struggled a lot to make it out of where I came from, got inspired by Queen Latifah [13:32] where I met her in my hood when I was 15, you know, pursued entertainment, became who I became. [13:38] Then went back trying to help. [13:39] And they played me like, oh, you know, you know, all these rich people go asking for help. [13:42] And I'm, I'm kind of like anybody that knows me knows that once you tell me no, or you try to block me, [13:48] or you hate on me, that's, that's literally the fuel that's going to make me go harder. [13:51] Like that's going to motivate me. [13:52] So it motivated me to the point to where I said, if y'all keep playing with me, [13:55] and I said this at a councilman, if you keep playing with me, I'm going to replace everybody up there. [13:59] And they laughed at me. [14:00] So I went back. [14:01] I called Kevin Hart. [14:03] I called Floyd Mayweather. [14:04] I started calling all my relationships. [14:06] I went in my own bank account. [14:07] I put, I put it together. [14:10] I found three people. [14:11] We ran. [14:12] We all won. [14:13] All four of us. [14:14] We took control of the city. [14:15] Then I got elected. [14:16] So now I'm actually the vice mayor of Stockton. [14:17] But I, yeah, so I get in. [14:19] Now, mind you, the whole way I'm promising people, I'm going to do this. [14:22] I'm going to do this. [14:23] I'm going to do this. [14:24] Again, I'm a man of my word. [14:25] Like the worst thing in my mind is that people think I'm a fraud. [14:28] Like I, I just could never even like let you think I'm a fraud. [14:31] So I said to them, yo, somebody said, you know, can you bring Wild'N Out to Stockton? [14:36] I'm like, yeah, we got an arena of 12,000 seats. [14:38] Yeah, I'll bring it. [14:39] I'll bring it here. [14:40] I said it and they thought I was playing. [14:41] So once I got elected, Nick Cannon called, say, yo, cause I was on Wild'N Out. [14:45] Will you come to Detroit and do the live show? [14:47] I'm like, okay, I've never did the live show. [14:49] I'll fly in and do it. [14:50] Cause I wanted to fly in and see it in person, but also plant the seed. [14:54] Like, yo, I need you to come to my hometown. [14:56] Yeah. [14:57] Nick was like, I'll do it. [14:58] So I went back, put the play together. [15:00] And then they turned it into a whole controversy. [15:03] Like, oh, he gave Nick Cannon $50,000 or something. [15:06] But Nick Cannon don't need $50,000. [15:08] Wild'N Out don't need $50,000. [15:09] The city used a fund to put $50,000 in an event that made the city $640,000. [15:14] So if you're a business person- [15:16] That's $590,000 profit. [15:18] It's a 12x multiple. [15:19] So like it's a good investment. [15:21] And it was an event that was sold out. [15:24] It was an event that brought people like us out. [15:27] No fights, no violence, no shootings, no stabbings, no robberies. [15:30] It was a win-win. [15:31] Turned it into a witch hunt. [15:32] But it backfired because, of course, they found out I did nothing wrong. [15:35] And then now the people are like, yo, you wasted all our money pursuing somebody who we actually love. [15:39] And so, yeah, it's not doing well for them right now. [15:41] What was your gateway in meeting the celebrities? [15:45] What was your first one and how did it keep going? [15:48] Like why were they fucking with you? [15:51] So it was like, okay, so Stockton, we have this mass shooting as a kid. [15:55] Michael Jackson comes to town, pays for all the kids' funerals, pays for the medical bills. [16:00] It was like crazy that the biggest celebrity in the world saw our little city. [16:04] So I never forgot that. [16:05] Later on, talk to Mike on the phone. [16:07] Later on, become Jason Lee. [16:09] Later on, as the vice mayor, we have a mass shooting in our city and I get Burner Boy to pay for the funeral. [16:14] So it's like been this real full circle moment. [16:16] But the thing that always created, I think, imagination for me was celebrity culture was, [16:22] you know, when I was growing up in that group home, I was watching Prince and Michael Jackson [16:26] and watching and listening to Madonna and watching these icons like, yo, like their creativity, [16:31] their art, their ability for me to escape into their world when I'm going through shit was dope. [16:37] Then I got out my brother who I loved, who ended up getting murdered later. [16:40] You know, he loved music. [16:41] So riding around the car with him and he had a Chevy Impala, which by the way, I always wanted [16:45] a Chevy Impala. [16:46] I don't want that. [16:47] I fuck with Impala. [16:48] Yeah. [16:49] I mean, I wanted one as a kid. [16:50] But I remember just like, you know, I idolized him. [16:52] He listened to Pac all the time. [16:54] Then I got into the whole Pac and Biggie, Biggie became my favorite artist. [16:58] It was like, yo, like music was crazy. [17:00] And again, escapism. [17:01] So my first, I can't remember who my first was, but I remember Queen Latifah being the [17:06] most, the one that stood out the most, because she was just a Jersey girl, real, like [17:11] we just connected and I wanted to be her friend. [17:14] And I started pursuing that. [17:16] Once I became friends with her and I realized that like I could attain that. [17:19] Then I just started. [17:20] How do you pursue being somebody's friend of that caliber? [17:23] At that point? [17:24] Yes. [17:25] So I got shot. [17:26] So I met her and I was like, yo, give me a number. [17:27] And she was like, nah. [17:28] And I was like, what the fuck you mean? [17:31] Nah, like, you know, you the queen, you know? [17:33] And I remember feeling like, how do you think you better than me or whatever? [17:36] So she was like in her car, like, yo, this nigga is crazy. [17:38] She was like, if it's meant to be, you'll find me. [17:40] And she just drove off. [17:41] And then so then three days later, I was shot. [17:43] I was in the hospital. [17:44] I had a phone. [17:45] I started calling around. [17:46] I knew she was on Live and Single. [17:47] Called 411, found the number of the Fox, told them this whole crazy story. [17:52] Then they told me, call Warner Brothers. [17:54] They gave me the Warner Brother number. [17:55] I called over there. [17:56] I was like, yo, I'm Dana's cousin. [17:57] I just got shot. [17:58] I'm in the hospital. [17:59] And I finessed it. [18:02] And they put her on the phone. [18:03] And I was like, yo, what's up? [18:04] And she said, yo, why are you telling all these people you got shot like you got everybody [18:07] up here tripping? [18:08] I'm like, I did get shot. [18:09] But that ain't the point. [18:10] You said it was meant to be. [18:11] I will find you. [18:12] I found you. [18:13] Shoot me that number. [18:14] She shot me the Skytel number. [18:15] And I was paging. [18:16] And then she invited me to Live and Single. [18:18] That was it. [18:19] That story shows why Hollywood Unlock is one of the preeminent sites. [18:23] That's just not. [18:24] That shows nothing's accidental with you. [18:27] Nah. [18:28] That level of determination. [18:30] It translates. [18:31] That shit is wild. [18:32] Yeah. [18:33] So you pursued her. [18:34] So you pursued her being your friend. [18:35] Yes. [18:36] Now you got her as their friend. [18:37] What was the next step of the door cracking open? [18:40] It's everybody. [18:41] I'm going to do another one. [18:42] Okay, go ahead. [18:43] Okay. [18:44] So I'm very intentional. [18:45] Every time she do something, I'll support. [18:47] So Girl Strip comes out. [18:48] I go to see Girl Strip to support Latifah. [18:51] I see Tiffany Haddish. [18:52] I'm like, who the fuck is this? [18:54] That is the type of energy I'm on. [18:56] I need to be her friend. [18:57] This is grown Jason, Hollywood Unlock Jason saying this. [19:00] I go, I take my whole team back. [19:03] We watch the show. [19:04] Then I take all my friends to watch the show. [19:06] Because we just, Tiffany's energy was like, it was just infectious. [19:09] I was like, yo, I need to fast forward on with Cardi at Jeremy Scott's party during Fashion [19:14] Week years later, the day before she got in a fight with Nicki. [19:17] And they're like, Tiffany Haddish is on the dance floor. [19:19] I'm like, for real? [19:20] Boom. [19:21] Go find her. [19:22] We dance. [19:23] We exchange numbers. [19:24] Now we're best. [19:25] You know what? [19:26] Is that gay, you think? [19:28] Great question. [19:29] Great question. [19:30] I'm just saying because I can't come with that approach because they going to look at [19:33] me weird. [19:34] Yeah. [19:35] Because they know your intention. [19:36] If I say, if I say, I want to be your friend or if I mean. [19:39] Because straight guys don't want to be no girl's friend. [19:43] There you go. [19:44] But the problem isn't what they think. [19:45] It's a problem that y'all trying to. [19:46] But you get away with mad shit. [19:47] Like, I'm just going to dance on the dance floor with this bitch. [19:49] I'm going to go over here. [19:50] I'm going to say I got shot. [19:51] And I'm going to say I got shot. [19:53] That's the real shit, Jason. [19:54] You ill for that. [19:55] I'm going to say I got shot. [19:56] And she pick up the phone. [19:57] And she going to be like, nigga, get the fuck out of here, nigga. [20:00] Nah, nah. [20:01] But I'll tell you a guy's story. [20:02] Literally, they call me. [20:03] My friend was Floyd's assistant, Floyd Mayweather. [20:05] She's like, yo, Floyd, you know, he going through something with the social media shit [20:08] with his girl. [20:09] He needs help with somebody who knows social media. [20:11] This was before Hollywood or not. [20:13] I go to Vegas. [20:14] Supposed to go to the fight. [20:15] They don't tell me when the fight is. [20:17] I don't get no tickets. [20:18] So finally I'm like, I'm out of here. [20:19] I was over with the industry. [20:20] I was like, I'm done. [20:22] So they're like, wait, don't leave. [20:23] Come to his mom's house. [20:24] We watching the fight over here the next day. [20:26] So I go to the mom's house, meet Floyd. [20:28] He's like, bring him back to the big boy mansion. [20:30] I'm like, okay, go back to the big boy mansion. [20:32] It's like all of him and all his homies there. [20:34] So I'm kind of like, yo, you brought me out here. [20:36] I missed the fight. [20:37] Now I'm here with all the homies. [20:39] I'm over the industry. [20:40] Literally in my mind, I'm leaving this shit [20:42] because I'm done with all the fake shit. [20:44] I can't. [20:45] And Floyd walked up to me and said, okay, I'm Floyd Mayweather. [20:47] I said, what's up? [20:48] I'm Jason. [20:49] I'm gay. [20:50] What's up? [20:51] And he goes, well, why would you say that? [20:52] I said, because if you got a problem with me being gay [20:53] and all these niggas got problems, I don't give a fuck [20:55] about being here. [20:56] I'm not on, I don't care. [20:58] That's just who I am. [20:59] And he was like, well, I don't have any gay friends, [21:02] no male gay friends. [21:03] I said, yeah, I've been here for a couple of hours. [21:05] You got a gay friend. [21:07] Yo, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, [21:12] listen, listen. [21:14] Floyd grabbed me and he started, he was laughing hysterically. [21:17] He dragged me outside. [21:19] He was laughing. [21:20] He said, yo, who him? [21:21] I said, that nigga guy. [21:23] I said, that nigga right there is gay. [21:26] Yo, we became better. [21:28] That moment, that moment right there, we locked in. [21:31] I said, yo, he petty. [21:32] He's a Pisces. [21:33] He's my type of guy, not sexually. [21:35] But he wealthy and he's petty and I'm broke and petty. [21:40] We're going to be best friends. [21:41] That's my brother today. [21:42] Talk to him yesterday. [21:43] Why do you think they're trying to speak about his financial situation, [21:46] saying he's broke? [21:47] Like what? [21:48] You know, that's broke people conversations. [21:50] I don't know. [21:51] You know, I would say I only argue with my tax bracket. [21:54] I'm sure Floyd isn't really worried about that. [21:57] I asked him the other day if he's good, he say he's good. [21:59] If he say he's good, he's good. [22:01] The thing about Floyd is he still has all his faculties. [22:03] If he wanted to fight Pacquiao and go get a $100 million bag right now, [22:06] he could. [22:07] So, you know, somebody that's struggling to figure out the price of coffee [22:10] may have an opinion about a billion-dollar boxer and we read the news. [22:15] And I am the news, so I know that everything you read ain't real. [22:18] But I don't know his business like that because I don't get into, [22:21] you know, I don't call him and be like, what's your money like? [22:23] Or what's your girl like? [22:24] That's real. [22:25] You know, I call him and my conversation with him the other day was, [22:29] you good? [22:30] And he says, I'm good. [22:31] And I say, okay, if you need me, you know where I'm at. [22:33] More of the question is because we know with media you can use certain [22:37] narratives to deliberately destroy a person or uplift them. [22:41] So when you see the constant, you know, his money's messed up, [22:44] and that's been his persona. [22:46] We know a negative headline can really downplay your business maneuvers. [22:50] That's really where I'm coming from with that. [22:52] So my camera guy that's right here, Toei, will tell you. [22:55] You went to Floyd's house with me in Vegas. [22:57] Okay. [22:58] Yo, he's shaking his head. [22:59] So, no, no. [23:00] We ain't even got to get into the whole house. [23:02] Let's just talk about his closet. [23:04] He's taken his 30-car garage and converted it into a closet [23:08] because he don't have no room. [23:09] He don't have no room. [23:10] The entire 30-car garage. [23:12] It looks like a Neiman Marcus. [23:14] Am I lying? [23:15] And just if he was to probably liquidate just the clothes, bags, shoes, [23:20] duffels, the big Birkins. [23:23] Millions. [23:24] Millions of dollars. [23:25] Just clothes. [23:26] That's just the clothing. [23:27] That's not all the cars and all that, the multiple houses and the assets. [23:31] So, you know, one thing I know Floyd always says, you know, two things he ain't going [23:36] to have a problem with is finding a woman and finding money. [23:39] But, you know, again, I don't know all the inner workings of what's going on with his finances. [23:43] Of course. [23:44] Because that's not my relationships. [23:45] Even with a Cardi or a Rihanna or a Latifah or whoever. [23:48] I don't, you know, I haven't called Cardi about offset because that's her baby daddy. [23:53] You know? [23:54] Now, when she calls me, because she will, I'm going to be like, you know, we'll get into it. [23:58] What's your thoughts on this? [23:59] Because in the past couple of days, we had this Gucci man thing. [24:02] Yeah. [24:03] And then this offset thing. [24:04] And I'm like, do niggas love jail this much? [24:07] But you know why they're getting shot and getting kidnapped? [24:09] Because they don't tell. [24:11] If y'all niggas come to my house, I'm calling. [24:13] I am calling. [24:14] I have the FBI. [24:15] Now that I'm elected, I got the FBI, DEA, the marshals. [24:18] I got them all on my phone. [24:19] I'm waiting for somebody to call me. [24:21] Because now they're saying, you know, Gucci man will be forced to tell because of his position. [24:26] Do you think that hurts his credibility? [24:28] You know, Whack 100 came on one of my shows a long time ago and he said, when you subscribe, [24:34] I'll never forget. [24:35] He said, if somebody killed his kid, he would not tell. [24:38] Because he subscribed to the street rules and street culture. [24:41] When my brother got murdered, I couldn't wait to tell. [24:44] You know what I realized, Jason? [24:45] What? [24:46] Everybody says the correct thing when it didn't happen. [24:51] But when it happens, they start saying a whole nother story. [24:58] He went through it. [24:59] I've seen the most gangster-ist niggas run down the block. [25:03] Yeah. [25:04] Because there's always a nigga more gangster. [25:05] I've seen the most gangster-ist niggas, Brooklyn niggas. [25:09] I think Brooklyn niggas talk about snitching. [25:11] I'm never snitched. [25:12] And they the snitch. [25:13] Their daughter becomes a snitch. [25:15] Y'all know who I'm talking about. [25:16] Like, this is what happens. [25:17] Don't come and get me because I don't know what he talking about. [25:21] I'm just saying. [25:22] I go to Dumbo's Soho house. [25:24] I don't want no brothers. [25:25] They not coming to get you because they know you're going to tell. [25:28] Oh, I'm telling. [25:29] Matter of fact. [25:30] Who's a better teller, you or Charleston White? [25:32] I love Charleston White. [25:33] Yo. [25:34] Yo, I love Charleston White. [25:35] You know why? [25:36] He did a four-hour interview with me. [25:37] Let me tell you what I love about Charleston White. [25:39] And he actually, he told me when he came to my show, he said, man, I'm nervous. [25:42] I said, you nervous? [25:43] What I love about Charleston? [25:45] Charleston is in the mess, but then he's fucking crazy and will tell and say whatever he wants. [25:51] And he's still alive. [25:52] I don't know how he does it. [25:54] Because I don't want, let me tell you, as much as you think. [25:57] I don't want that heat. [25:58] I don't want that smoke he got. [26:01] I just did, we just did a freaking solo show. [26:04] And I said, how does Charleston get his money? [26:06] And I said, he talking crazy about people's kids. [26:08] I said, I would not want that heat. [26:11] And then the crazy part about this nigga is he will really say some insightful shit. [26:16] Some spiritual shit. [26:17] It's in, yeah. [26:18] No, he's. [26:19] What the fuck is that? [26:20] If you go watch my interview with him, I said, oh, he's smart. [26:23] He's smarter than people give him credit. [26:24] Yes, he's smart. [26:25] Because he came on my platform knowing my audience and flipped it. [26:28] He didn't give you all the stuff you see attacking people's kids and all the this and that and [26:33] the pure crazies. [26:34] I was prepared for it all too. [26:36] But he came in there and he gave me some of that spice, but he knew my audience and what [26:43] he was trying to do with them. [26:44] And he was able to get people to listen to what he was saying because he wasn't doing [26:48] all the antics. [26:49] What I learned back in the day when I was burning the internet down, because there's times I go [26:52] look at some of my old content, I'm like, damn, like, damn, that day I did not care. [26:58] You know, it's crazy because I'm still that guy, but I'm just not on that energy no more. [27:03] Like, I'm in therapy. [27:04] I'm sober. [27:05] I'm just, you know. [27:06] You're rich now, right? [27:07] You got more money. [27:08] That ain't that. [27:09] Yeah, because you said, you said that when you were rich, you could live in the good [27:12] life. [27:13] I'm rich, so you got more money now. [27:14] So when you're taking more money, nigga start chilling. [27:16] Nah, part of that is true. [27:18] All right, yeah. [27:19] Come on. [27:20] But let me tell you what happened. [27:21] Let me tell you what happened. [27:22] What it was is, you know, when I first got in the game, I thought, because I knew so [27:26] many people, they're going to fuck with me. [27:28] That's what I thought. [27:29] Fuck what you mean it was. [27:30] Like, I hooked Carucci and Chris Brown up, so I know I'm going to get that interview. [27:33] Oh, no. [27:34] Oh, you went through the Ebro thing. [27:36] Wait, you not coming? [27:37] Fuck Ebro. [27:38] Oh. [27:39] I'll get back to that. [27:40] All right. [27:41] Carucci, you definitely going to come. [27:44] Oh, you not coming? [27:45] Wait, well, Chris, that's been my guy since he was 18. [27:48] Wait, oh, you not coming? [27:49] Oh, so nobody's fucking with me. [27:51] Oh, well, fuck all of you. [27:53] Let me tell you what I think. [27:55] And that's how I became a critic. [27:57] Like, since I'm not going to get you on my show to get the audience, because you know, [28:02] you can get, like, my audience will come and see you. [28:04] Of course. [28:05] You know, we should all be audience jackers, but that's not how black people think. [28:08] I like that. [28:09] Yo. [28:10] So it's like, oh, you're not going to come and show me no love. [28:12] When I know I held you down, oh, okay, cool. [28:15] Boom. [28:16] So what I started doing was just dropping bombs on the internet, because now you have to come [28:20] and see me. [28:21] Hold on. [28:22] If you don't come and see- [28:23] If you don't- [28:24] But right now, niggas go get shot. [28:25] But I don't mean to interrupt you. [28:26] I'm sorry. [28:27] Finish this story. [28:28] Say you attack me. [28:29] That's content. [28:31] I'm going to your court dates, dressed down, telling. [28:33] Do you get away with that because you gay? [28:35] No, I get away with that because- [28:36] I'm asking you. [28:37] I get away with that because the same people who are moving and shaking for them are still [28:41] behind the scenes handling things for all the situations that occur. [28:46] All the situations that come out of whatever happens on the internet, all those people are mixed into it all. [28:52] So it's like, okay, I know this person manages all these people. [28:58] And I know we've held all these people down. [29:00] So you're going to lose all of that for that? [29:02] And that person started all of that. [29:04] That means they got to be smart too. [29:06] Everybody's a business person. [29:07] Yeah. [29:08] But we're not intentionally attacking people. [29:13] I'll give you an example. [29:15] My first real big exclusive was Khalees, when she was talking about her issues with Nas. [29:20] Me growing up, Nas is an icon, still today an icon, right? [29:23] And now even more brilliant business person. [29:25] This is a person that I loved growing up. [29:27] But Khalees doing her interview told her story about her relationship with Nas. [29:32] Whether it was true or not true, that was her story. [29:35] I can't tell her what her story is. [29:37] So then I went this whole time thinking like, damn, Nas hates me. [29:41] Nas is never going to do an interview. [29:43] And I ran into Nas and I had heard things, you know, he was mad about it or whatever. [29:47] But I ran into him and he actually walked up to me and he shook my hand and he was like, [29:50] respect. [29:51] I said, yo, I fucking love you. [29:53] I'm a fan. [29:54] Dah, dah, dah. [29:55] But I was able to have a respectable moment versus like, here comes Nas trying to have me [29:59] killed, you know? [30:00] So I don't know. [30:01] I've never like intentionally gone out and tried to like hurt nobody. [30:04] I just have had hard opinions and, you know, they've gone viral or whatever. [30:08] You said, fuck Ebro. [30:09] You know, Ebro, I met Ebro years ago when he was the music director for, not music director, [30:16] but the program director for- [30:17] KML. [30:18] No, 105, 102.5 in Sacramento when I grew up in Stockton. [30:22] He was over that. [30:23] So I like knew Ebro, would go to the shows. [30:25] He was cool. [30:26] Then he moved on and became whatever he became in New York. [30:29] And so it's funny. [30:32] It's ironic that I just saw this post where he's complaining about how he's not getting [30:37] the support as independent media when he just denied me an interview to promote my show. [30:42] But here's the good thing, right? [30:43] I'm glad that he's experiencing with those of us in independent media because I grinded [30:48] from zero to now. [30:50] Every interview I've ever gotten has been because of relationships or that hustle. [30:54] So like the fact that now you got to feel what we've been feeling when you out here denying [30:58] independent media, it's kind of like your karma. [31:01] Plus I said fuck Peter Rosenberg a long time ago because he's a culture vulture. [31:05] But who knows? [31:06] Who knows? [31:07] Because also too, you've been vocal about your former co-hosts, Melissa Ford and Joe- [31:13] We're good. [31:14] Oh, okay. [31:15] We're good. [31:16] When did you learn how to crack the bank with this social media, TV thing? [31:20] What was the moment and did anybody teach you? [31:23] Nobody taught me. [31:24] Matter of fact, when it came to radio podcasting, I really followed Charlamagne as the blueprint. [31:29] I looked at Charlamagne, what he did with Wendy. [31:31] Wendy talk. [31:32] I follow Wendy. [31:33] I see how she was a fan of it and had her opinions about things, but she wasn't friendly [31:42] with people. [31:43] Versus like me, I like to be friendly with people, but I have opinions. [31:47] Those that I'm friends with, they just know my job is my job. [31:50] And if you're in the news, he's going to talk about it. [31:53] But because he knows you, he's going to be able to put your spin on it. [31:57] And so what I would do is I would just do stuff. [32:00] And when I saw things sticking, I would just keep doing that. [32:03] Melissa Ford was an important part of the podcast game because when I wanted to do it, [32:07] I felt comfortable with her. [32:08] I felt safe having conversations with her. [32:11] And we were both struggling at the time because she had just come back to LA. [32:15] She didn't really have no money. [32:16] I was in LA struggling. [32:17] I didn't have no money. [32:18] We had Floyd sponsoring the show and that was some money, but we were struggling trying [32:24] to figure things out. [32:25] And so I think I had the fortitude of seeing the future and really staying in it and going [32:31] the whole distance. [32:32] And she got out because she had personal things going and, you know, we are where we [32:36] are. [32:37] But where did your influx of money come from? [32:39] It was just sponsorship from a Floyd? [32:41] Was it learning the business? [32:43] Was it commercial taking your show to television? [32:46] Yeah. [32:47] Was Revolt the first check? [32:49] No, it was like, no, I think the first check was like Fashion Nova being a sponsor. [32:54] They started sponsoring. [32:55] And then when my Instagram went down, Floyd stepped in as a sponsor for the radio show so [32:58] we could stay afloat. [32:59] Then we started, we said, okay, we got the money team sponsorship. [33:03] Okay, cool. [33:04] Well, now we got Diageo sponsorship. [33:07] Now we got Fashion Nova ads. [33:09] Now we're getting all these small business ads. [33:11] Really small businesses are people that really drove us. [33:14] Because when we started, okay, you can advertise for us for $150. [33:19] Then it was like $500. [33:20] Then it was $1,000. [33:21] Then it was $2,000. [33:22] Then the other day we got somebody say, oh, we want you to do this program for two months [33:27] for $300,000. [33:28] As the followers went up, we started looking at the market. [33:31] It's sort of like, okay, our market rate is $1,000 per million. [33:34] So if we have 4 million followers, an ad may be $4,000. [33:37] But if I say to you as a struggling new business, hey, we'll give you an ad for $2,000 or $1,500 [33:43] if you buy in bulk. [33:44] Now you're buying 10 ads for $15,000, $20,000. [33:48] And you're getting the value return because you're getting all those eyeballs and people [33:53] are following you and you're getting sales or whatever. [33:55] So now we've invested in you investing in us. [33:58] As a man who has an impactful site, platform, everything. [34:02] Is there such a thing as shadow banning? [34:04] Yeah. [34:06] I asked the CEO actually of Instagram about that, Adam, because we thought we were shadow [34:12] banned. [34:13] And oftentimes our engagement will fluctuate. [34:15] But we built a partnership with Facebook or with Meta where we have a portal to help [34:20] us get in whenever there's issues so we can flag or whatever. [34:23] No, I mean, there are certain things you got to know about how each platform works. [34:27] So to your point, how do we make the money? [34:29] We are monetized on everything, Snapchat, Facebook, YouTube. [34:34] We're monetized everywhere. [34:36] And every platform has different rules. [34:38] So like, you know, a photo on Instagram with text overlay is going to get pushed down. [34:44] It's not going to be treated as original content. [34:46] But see that knowledge, that's what people want to know. [34:49] People just will do things and won't know what's really slowing down their page overlay. [34:54] Like if you have big text over your stuff. [34:56] Like what I do? [34:57] No, that's video. [34:58] He's talking about pictures, not video. [35:00] No, video, if it's under three minutes, it's for real, it's going to have more action [35:05] than not. [35:06] Then if you take that real post on your Insta story, that helps with engagement. [35:10] So there's different ways to trick the algorithm. [35:11] It's just really about tricking the algorithm. [35:13] You know, that video I did the other day about the athlete who sent me that whack ass letter [35:19] after you try to get me to spend that at your dirty ass ranch, you know, that type of shit. [35:23] Like I knew that video would go viral because it was just literally me talking on the phone, [35:29] not a produced high quality video because those also don't get the engagement that a regular video will. [35:35] And then and I knew me just kind of talking and kind of slipping in a couple of things would make everybody go, [35:39] you know, they go crazy. [35:41] It is 1.3 million views in a day. [35:43] And, you know, it was like funny, you know, it was just a little post at the house. [35:47] He got a big kick out of that. [35:49] He got a great job. [35:51] I felt like, you know, because there are days I still, you know, like I don't, I don't pow pow the internet anymore like I used to. [35:57] So like, you know, I was like, okay, it's sort of like if Floyd got back in the ring and won, he'd be like, I still got it. [36:02] I got, I got, it's everything cool with you and Joe Budden because. [36:07] Joe, I, I literally haven't thought about Joe Budden until you said his name. [36:11] Because you went after, like, there's a guy. [36:13] Not really. [36:14] I mean, he recently said like, fuck my dead brother, fuck my mom, my dead mom, my dead dad. [36:17] I didn't know that. [36:18] Yeah, I haven't posted about it yet because I'm waiting on, I got a rollout coming, I'm going to use it then. [36:22] I don't, I'm not, you know, I'm not an emotionless treat, but I've worked through all my trauma. [36:26] So a Joe Budden doesn't really, you know, he doesn't, he doesn't do nothing for me. [36:30] Did your weight loss help, help your marketing ability? [36:33] Did you make more money after that? [36:34] Well, I think I made more money after that because of just the kind of the trajectory of the business. [36:41] But like, I don't think, like my confidence level is not higher or lower than it was when I was bigger. [36:45] When I was 323 pounds or today at 205, I've always had the confidence. [36:50] You know, I will say like the only thing that changed is I could fit in clothes better. [36:53] You know, like I can go in the store and just pick anything and I, you know, versus having [36:57] to go downtown to the China shop and find some shit. [37:00] But that's it. [37:01] Nah, nothing. [37:02] It didn't really change anything, but I am like in pursuit of like being the healthiest [37:06] I can be. [37:07] You know, because motherfuckers are dying at 25, 30, 20. [37:10] Yo, scary. [37:11] I'm in the gym. [37:12] Everything is super set. [37:13] Bless you. [37:14] Heard me? [37:15] I started out last year, last March. [37:18] And I always was a cardio guy. [37:20] I'm an ex-ball player. [37:23] So running, jumping, all that type of stuff. [37:26] That's simple. [37:27] But weightlifting, I hated it. [37:28] Yeah. [37:29] I got into weightlifting last year. [37:31] Was going crazy. [37:32] Hurt my shoulder. [37:33] But then came back to it and it's been like the best thing for me. [37:37] Yeah. [37:38] I got a trainer now. [37:39] He adds on cardio stuff. [37:41] Uh-huh. [37:42] We super set. [37:43] You know what I'm saying? [37:44] And I feel better now at this age than I did maybe 20 years ago. [37:48] Yeah. [37:49] Yeah. [37:50] I feel better. [37:51] I'm 48 now. [37:52] I'll be 49 in August. [37:53] So I feel better now. [37:54] But I'm also doing like IV therapy, NAD, stem cell. [37:58] I'm doing- [37:59] Oh, he doing it. [38:00] I'm getting ready to go do the whole pre-nuvo body scan. [38:03] Like I'm- [38:04] I mean, I checked- [38:05] You trying to live for 150 years. [38:06] I'm trying to live longer. [38:07] I don't want to be 150. [38:08] You one of those people. [38:10] I am. [38:11] You like him. [38:12] You one of those people. [38:13] The only reason my weight shoots up is just I eat bread, carbs. [38:17] Other than that, I drink my herbal tea, my ginger shots. [38:20] Everything is- [38:21] I do all that stuff, but I'm just talking about- [38:23] You don't want to live for 200 years? [38:25] No, I don't want to live for 200 years. [38:26] No, I don't want to live for 200 years. [38:27] I don't want to live for 200 years. [38:28] He does. [38:29] He wants to live for 200 years. [38:30] But I don't- [38:31] Here's the- because I really feel like there's so many things I still want to accomplish. [38:33] So I at least want to accomplish what I want to accomplish. [38:35] I want to have the success. [38:36] I want to have the influence impact. [38:38] But like, I just don't want- [38:39] Like people are checking out just unexpectedly young. [38:43] I would say for anybody that wants to like start their journey, whatever that journey [38:47] is. [38:48] And sometimes it's, you know, some people, oh, I want abs. [38:49] I don't really care about abs. [38:50] I just want to be healthy. [38:51] You know, get that micronutrient test. [38:53] That's the most important start to everything. [38:55] Because that helped me see like I was pre-diabetic, inflammation. [38:57] I was- [38:58] The inflammation. [38:59] I had sleep apnea. [39:00] I had all types of crazy stuff at like 40 years old or 42 or 41 years old. [39:04] So I just went and- [39:05] Yeah, I went and took some aggressive steps so I could get rid of all that. [39:08] And I did. [39:09] What's your thoughts on Jaden Ivey, the basketball player? [39:13] Who's that? [39:14] The man that they got, he got kicked off. [39:16] Oh, the dude who's like, here's the thing. [39:18] I think that anytime I'm sitting here with straight guys having a conversation about everything [39:23] and nobody's in their feelings. [39:25] When I see people who are straight online running around doing the things that he's doing, [39:31] it's like, you must have sucked a dick somewhere in your life. [39:34] You know? [39:35] You had to suck a dick somewhere. [39:37] Something in your past, you read a scripture that brought that old dick up and made you [39:42] go, oh my God, everybody's gay. [39:44] What the fuck is you worried about? [39:46] I don't wake up and wonder what straight people are doing. [39:48] I'm not wondering who you fucking, who's fucking who, who's cheating on who, whatever. [39:53] And I just never really understood where this comes from. [39:57] I've been watching it. [39:58] Now his girl, you know, he dating a white girl. [40:01] So I'm just watching like his girl dodging the camera, the team to cut you loose. [40:06] Now you on the streets praising God. [40:08] God is obviously not blessing you because nothing is standing for you. [40:13] So I just look at it like, wow, it's kind of sad. [40:16] Maybe he should call the person that sent me that season to sis. [40:19] Go over there. [40:20] They can get together and- [40:22] Work it out. [40:24] Pause. [40:25] Work it out. [40:26] Exactly. [40:27] You fucking can't bear to say pause. [40:33] You see why you gotta make sure you go to Jason Lee show on BDT. [40:38] Yeah. [40:39] But you know, and this is why a lot of my, you know, most of my friends with straight guys, [40:42] like we literally look at the world, like through the lenses of just the chaos you see all [40:47] online all day. [40:48] Like if you're going to go out and tell people how good God is, which you should. [40:52] And I tell how good God is all the time. [40:55] It doesn't have to be about total condemnation of everybody and what everybody else doing. [40:59] If you're worried about your bag, your family, your kids' health, your dogs, the shit that [41:03] moves you every day, focus on that shit. [41:05] That's how I got to Hollywood a lot. [41:07] Cause while I was focusing on everybody else's shit, but I made it work for me. [41:10] It's my business to be in people's business outside of that. [41:13] Like if you asked me, if we go outside, Oh wow. [41:16] What's going on with so-and-so. [41:18] I don't fucking know. [41:19] And don't even care. [41:20] Like I really don't until I have to show up for work. [41:22] And they say, okay, like today, before I got here, they say, Oh, TMZ wants to talk [41:25] about these things. [41:26] Okay. [41:27] I know this one, this one. [41:28] I don't know this one. [41:29] Okay, cool. [41:30] Just ask me whatever. [41:31] I'm gonna say whatever I want and then move on with my day. [41:32] I'm not living in it like that. [41:33] How you feel about the situation with Kanye? [41:36] All these sponsors and people like bailing out. [41:40] It seems so sudden. [41:41] Why do you think it's going this far? [41:43] Yeah. [41:44] Well, I mean, there's, there's two sides of the coin, right? [41:47] So like I worked with Ye for a while. [41:49] So like I, I, I understand him as an individual and I understand how he thinks and operates [41:55] and acts. [41:56] Um, obviously when he did what he did with the Jewish community and, and with the black community, [42:00] I didn't support it. [42:01] I stepped away and that was my personal decision. [42:04] And I publicly said why I stepped away. [42:06] But I also privately told him that, you know, I love him and care about him. [42:09] And I, you know, good, good luck on whatever he's going through. [42:12] I'm anti-cancel culture. [42:14] I'm pro accountability culture. [42:15] He was held accountable. [42:16] He lost all this shit, right? [42:18] Based on his actions. [42:19] And he's in his process of repairing whatever he's done to those communities. [42:24] And I wish him healing journey and doing that. [42:27] But like, I look at like the world from a macro level, like we in a country where the biggest [42:33] gangster of all right now is literally threatening to annihilate an entire country. [42:37] He, we already killed that leader and his whole family because he wants to get the oil. [42:43] And then he did that after he kidnapped the Venezuelan president, after he bombed people [42:48] coming from Venezuela in boats without going through due process. [42:51] Cause he said they had drugs on the boat, whether they did or didn't, we are a country where [42:54] like you have to go through the process. [42:57] He then said, turn Gulf of Mexico into Gulf of America while he was going to go steal Greenland [43:01] on the way to kidnapping Cuba. [43:03] Like we are allowing this person to do whatever he wants. [43:07] And we're paying for it because it's our taxpayer resources, people's kids getting killed in [43:11] the war and all that. [43:12] Right? [43:13] So I say all that to say, that's what we should be condemning. [43:16] Condemning Kanye cause he had a concert that 90,000 people showed up to. [43:19] And I was one of those people to go see it is just crazy to me. [43:23] But you know, again, Pepsi has the right to decide who they sponsor or not. [43:28] Uh, that country saying they're banning, yay. [43:31] Um, but they not banning the president. [43:33] I mean, I don't know if you can ban a president, but I would say if you're a warmonger, you shouldn't [43:37] be coming in our country. [43:38] I don't know. [43:39] I think, um, it's a very interesting conversation to have. [43:42] I've had one with a friend where he was like, I can't believe you went to the Kanye [43:45] concert. [43:46] Why can't you believe it? [43:48] I went to see what everybody was experiencing. [43:51] Um, and I'm not one that says I don't listen to Kanye's music. [43:54] Well, I mean, Kanye's music is great. [43:56] Um, but I, I think that cancel culture is scary cause it only applies to certain groups [44:01] of people. [44:02] Was great? [44:03] The show was great. [44:04] And you said, cause you said the music, like you think that the new music is great as [44:08] well? [44:09] I didn't say the new music was great. [44:10] That's why I said was. [44:11] Cause you said is great. [44:12] That's why I said was great. [44:13] I'm not saying it's not or isn't, I haven't, you know, with this album, I've heard a couple [44:18] songs that I like, but I, I've, I've listened to it like once all the way through it. [44:23] And it's an album that I would have to listen to more. [44:25] Like I, I'm not. [44:26] The last couple is a couple albums you would have to listen to a little bit more. [44:30] I mean, we up here being honest. [44:32] You, you, you, you, you be honest, right? [44:34] You said they, they, but they be your friends, but you still have an opinion. [44:37] You know, I worked with Ye and I know him, but I'm, I'm, I'm not going to say like, I [44:41] know all of college dropout. [44:42] You know, like when I talk to Ye fans, the stands, when I'm at the concert and they're [44:46] like, yeah, you know, that, that's not me. [44:48] I, you know, I'm not that with any artists, you know, maybe Beyonce, Rihanna, like I know [44:53] their music, but you know, whatever. [44:54] But like I'm not a college dropout versus this coldest winter. [44:59] Like I don't know his music like that, but I know like there's lots of hits on different [45:03] albums. [45:04] This album isn't doing for me what the say, the album that had say you will or all that. [45:10] I mean, you know, it's, yeah. [45:11] So I don't know. [45:12] Are you saying he's falling off? [45:14] I think artists do tend to fall off after a while. [45:17] They don't speak the same language that of the pulse of the community. [45:21] They have children, money changes. [45:23] You have kids. [45:24] You're people that were really following you. [45:26] They have kids. [45:27] They off on a whole other land. [45:29] They're not here to come and support you. [45:31] The wave of the music changes. [45:33] There's very few singers or rappers that can't transcend time. [45:37] They got this big thing about everybody been saying for the last five, is it five years [45:42] that everybody been coming to me saying that Jay-Z's putting out an album? [45:45] That every time that Jay-Z pops out, if Jay-Z comes out and takes a shit, they call me saying, [45:52] he's really putting out an album this time. [45:54] And I'm saying there's no reason for Hov to put out an album. [45:57] Yeah. [45:58] So now he's popping out. [45:59] As soon as the concert came up, yo, he's putting out an album. [46:02] Every year I say, there's no reason for him to put out an album because his legacy is so strong. [46:08] Yeah. [46:09] It doesn't make sense to hurt it right now. [46:11] Yeah. [46:12] And the way that people appreciate music is at an all-time low. [46:15] Yeah. [46:16] It's all-time free. [46:17] Hov is about his money. [46:19] And why would I fucking do that when I could rock this catalog and kill your pockets for [46:23] a thousand dollars a seat? [46:25] Yeah. [46:26] I don't think he needs to do an album. [46:28] You know, when he pops up on a Beyonce track or something, that's different. [46:32] Thank you. [46:33] He doesn't need to put out a whole album. [46:34] Because what is he going to do? [46:35] Then tour a whole album like he doesn't have to. [46:37] And he is culturally relevant and he's an icon already. [46:41] So why? [46:42] Why would he do it? [46:43] Yeah. [46:44] Yeah. [46:45] You was talking about Trump and you're in public office. [46:48] Would you run for the presidency? [46:49] No. [46:50] Absolutely not. [46:51] Stephen A. Smith said he wants to run for president. [46:53] Stephen A. Smith can't even get a proper lineup. [46:55] We ain't talking about- [46:56] Stephen A. Smith is not running for president. [46:58] If he does, that coon is going to have a whole bunch of problems. [47:01] Good luck. [47:02] No. [47:03] I wouldn't run for president because, first of all, they're not ready for a black woman [47:07] or a black gay man. [47:09] And so there's that. [47:10] But I mean, you know, I've always thought, you know, what do I want to do? [47:13] I didn't look at this as a career shift. [47:15] I looked at it like I just didn't like how they were treating the people in my community. [47:19] I felt like I can show my city you deserve better. [47:21] You know, a lot of people that don't leave the block, they don't know what life is outside. [47:25] You know, you think about China. [47:26] That's true. [47:27] They don't have internet. [47:28] They don't have social media. [47:29] So all they know is what they know. [47:30] But it's sort of like when you leave Stockton and go to Dubai, you're like, hold on a minute. [47:33] All this opulence is out here- [47:36] Is available. [47:37] Is available. [47:38] Wait. [47:39] And you go home determined. [47:40] I went to Dallas the other day for a one day trip to go meet with this guy who's connected [47:44] to all the money. [47:45] And he's giving me a tour of this land that he works on with all these other people. [47:50] And he's like, everybody in here got money. [47:52] And then as I started learning more about it, I left there inspired. [47:56] You know, so like I know when people see more, they know they could believe more. [48:00] So that's what I really wanted to do for Stockton. [48:01] Now it's grown into me being approached to do more. [48:04] Do you want to do this? [48:05] Do you want to do that? [48:06] And I don't know that I want to be a senator. [48:08] To me right now, it's important work, but it ain't fun work. [48:11] It ain't no money in that. [48:12] And I am somebody who loves to make money. [48:14] What was that? [48:15] What does that power feel like when you say I can go back to Stockton, I can run for- [48:20] I can run and I can win. [48:22] Like what does that- [48:23] And I'm going to help change my community directly. [48:27] What does that power feel like? [48:29] Literally at the last council meeting, we voted to give another $3 million to this housing project [48:35] that's literally central in the center of my hood that has been vacant for decades. [48:41] It will literally bring that whole area to life. [48:44] So the fact that like I'm a part of funding that where I know that's going to build senior housing. [48:48] It's going to build a center for young people. [48:50] And it's literally the beginning of the whole development of my hood where I hung out where my friend Steven Shelton died in 97. [48:57] Like to me, that's like crazy, right? [49:00] To be able to bring in FIFA who now wants to bring in a team and they're committing like a $200 million investment. [49:04] We just raised $200 million in mental health funding for this campus in my district called the Be Well Campus. [49:10] That's all legacy shit that I say like I feel good about that. [49:14] But what made me feel the best is the kids from the Edison High School Orchestra that's in my district came out here to perform at Carnegie Hall [49:22] and saw my billboard for the Jason Lee show at BET in Times Square and they took a photo with it. [49:27] So what I love is those kids who are in pursuit of their dreams in music came here and saw me living my dream in entertainment. [49:34] So it's that thing where I know they're going to go back and feel like, yo, my vice mayor, because they don't just talk about me Jason Lee from this or that. [49:40] They're like, yo, that's my vice mayor. [49:42] That's kind of cool. [49:43] You know, like, you know, your vice mayor, you can pull up and you can sit down and you can talk about real shit. [49:48] I talked to them like real people. [49:50] These two boxer kids came in to City Hall at Council and they were talking about winning some championship. [49:55] I said, yo, like, I'm gonna make sure we go, we gonna go to Vegas. [49:58] I'm gonna make sure you meet Floyd Mayweather because I know you, he needs to see you. [50:01] Be inspired. [50:02] Just be inspired because like the inspiration of meeting Queen Latifah and I always give her her flowers and we've not had one moment yet publicly is, you know, that moment sparked something in me that led me in pursuit of everything I'm doing right now. [50:15] You know, meeting Floyd. [50:16] Yeah. [50:17] I met him to help him. [50:18] But what he told me that night when I, when he, I was like, yeah, I think I'm, I'm thinking [50:22] of giving up, man, I'm, I'm over this shit. [50:25] He put out a $40 million check. [50:26] I had never seen a check with that many numbers. [50:28] I had to count like what it was like four zero comma zero, like it's 40 million. [50:33] He's like, you can get this because I can see you. [50:36] You're like the Floyd Mayweather media, but you hard work, dedication, good team. [50:40] And you got to be obsessed with what you want to do. [50:42] If you want it bad enough. [50:43] And I was in a relationship at the time. [50:45] I flew home, broke up with my partner, moved out my condo, moved into one bed as a fucking [50:51] studio, got me, got rid of my car, got me a little, I don't know what that was, a challenger. [50:57] And I totally like minimize my life and put everything in my hustle and I hustle my ass off. [51:02] So, so like I've been able to meet these people that, that, that hopefully what I'm able to do for these young [51:07] people that I see back home, you know, now I'm hoping that I can do for them what they did for me. [51:12] I know you got to go soon. [51:13] I got a couple. [51:14] Do I got to go? [51:15] I'm just curious. [51:16] I just started a nonprofit and I'm doing, we sponsored our first thing today. [51:19] It's a basketball game. [51:20] Nice. [51:21] And a dance game. [51:22] Right after this interview. [51:23] Back in my hood. [51:24] So that's why I asked, cause we learned how to fundraise more and do different things. [51:29] And we're, the way we're doing it, I'm trying to affect, because I'm brand new to it. [51:33] I'm trying to affect people like directly. [51:35] So we fundraise at my last event and we got maybe $300. [51:39] I went and bought two pair of Jordans for the basketball players so that they can see, [51:43] yo, who's doing good in school playing ball, but they don't got nothing fresh. [51:49] That's who we trying to take our stuff to right now and just grow it from there. [51:54] What's the money commandment that you live by? [51:57] Something that you do to make sure that you always going to keep money inside your pocket. [52:01] Don't talk too much cause the IRS is always watching. [52:04] Bad. [52:05] You said you had a two-person phone. [52:06] What up? [52:07] And I got that, and I got to shout out Robin Lyons from the owner of Ball Alert. [52:10] She told me a long time ago, cause at first when, you know, when you start making it, [52:14] you start saying, oh, you know, I did this. [52:17] I got this. [52:18] You want to show shit off. [52:19] I went through my era of wearing all the Cuban links and the APs and all this and that, [52:24] whatever. [52:25] And she was like, you need to tone that down because the IRS is watching. [52:31] So I just stopped really talking about the money. [52:34] I just met her for the first time from Bernard. [52:37] But do all y'all people with those type of platforms, like the Baller, Lurch and all, [52:42] do all y'all talk with each other? [52:45] I do. [52:46] A lot of them all have beef, which is so crazy to me cause I'm like, [52:49] How can they have beef from having their own platform? [52:53] They all have personal stuff that have happened, you know, but like, [52:57] I have a respect for all of us that do it because I know how hard it is for everybody. [53:01] Angie at The Shave Room, I remember when she had 500,000 followers. [53:04] And I remember when she lost her account and then she got it back and how she's been grinding. [53:08] And so like, you know, I remember when I launched Hollywood Unlocked, [53:11] I would always go to her and say, Angie, can you post this? [53:13] Keep posting. [53:14] She was like, I'm not going to post everything you post. [53:16] I'm going to post what I want, but you don't need me. [53:18] She used to always say that. [53:19] At first I thought she was like one of the celebrities who wouldn't support me, [53:22] but she was telling me, you got this. [53:24] Like just do it, keep doing it. [53:26] And they're going to come. [53:27] So once I started gaining traction, I was like, Oh, I get it. [53:30] And so she would share my content. [53:32] And then Robin, Robin was the first to really do it. [53:35] Baller Alert. [53:36] She was like, I mean, Boss Up and Baller Alert were doing it. [53:38] I remember Boss Up. [53:39] Yeah. [53:40] So I followed. [53:41] So Robin has always supported me. [53:42] She was the first one to see my shows and she would see my shows and go, [53:46] Yo, you're really good at podcasting. [53:48] Like you, you got to keep interviewing people. [53:50] You're good. [53:51] So she always watches my show and she always sends me support. [53:53] And she always tells me like, Yo, this post just got flagged at Baller Alert. [53:56] Or I'll say, Hey, this just got posted. [53:58] Kyle at Neighborhood Talk, he used to work at Shade Room. [54:01] But like me and him now, you know, I supported him. [54:04] I helped him get his accounts verified with Meta. [54:06] I make sure I look out for him. [54:07] When he was going through all that stuff with different artists, [54:09] I would kind of reach out, mentor him and say, Yo, I would do this or don't do that. [54:13] So he supports me. [54:14] Spiritual word the same. [54:15] You know, we all support each other. [54:17] That's people wouldn't know that because when it comes to this content, [54:21] it's an arms race who gets it out first. [54:23] And then it, you know, cause black people, black people, we really big on gatekeeping. [54:29] And we really big on having to be the only one or the biggest one. [54:33] And here's the deal. [54:34] God will bless you when you bless others. [54:36] So like for me, I don't feel like I'm in a competition with none of these people. [54:40] I have my own award show. [54:41] They don't. [54:42] Angie has more followers on Instagram than I do. [54:46] You know, I may have a talk show where a baller alert don't. [54:50] Like we all have, we're different. [54:52] Y'all got your own niche. [54:53] We got our own niche. [54:54] That makes sense. [54:55] And so I'm not threatened by anybody. [54:56] I support all of them and I love all the work they do. [54:58] What's the future of podcasting? [55:00] Well, I think that there's too many celebrities doing them now because everything else is drying up. [55:05] And I think that the oversaturation makes it harder to cut through. [55:08] That's why you really have to have your thing. [55:11] Like, you know, my friend Steven has the diary of a CEO. [55:15] So he's interviewing like thought leaders, world leaders, like he's innovative in that, what he does. [55:20] So like when I look at what he does, I'm not trying to do that. [55:23] Steven A. Smith right now wants to do what Charlamagne is doing. [55:26] Do, talk about sports. [55:27] Stay in your lane and do what you do and be the best at that. [55:30] Now you dibble and dabble over here. [55:32] You attacking Rihanna, that backfired. [55:33] Then you attacking this black woman, then that backfired. [55:35] Now you want to be the president, but you're a Republican. [55:38] Steven A. Smith, again, he's as lost as the hairline. [55:41] And I always go back to that because you could look at him in many ways and go, [55:46] if you can't get you together, how are you going to fix gas? [55:49] But you think he's together because he got a lot of money. [55:53] So you know how people are when they rich? [55:55] As soon as they get rich, everybody, and I'm not talking about Steven A., [55:59] I'm just talking about people who get rich and me and Clue. [56:01] Clue is my very best friend. [56:03] We argue about rich people because he's been rich. [56:06] He's been 12 years since 1998. [56:09] You know what I'm saying, right? [56:11] So I said Clue. [56:12] I said, you know all y'all niggas is rich. [56:15] That don't mean y'all smart. [56:16] That means y'all might be talented, lucky, fortunate, [56:20] in the right place at the right time. [56:22] But for some reason, when niggas start getting money, [56:24] they start thinking that they fucking smart. [56:26] And that's the issue to me. [56:28] Me smart being to the smart niggas. [56:30] If you're smart, you have to realize something. [56:33] Yesterday, I text Robert F. Smith. [56:35] You know who that is? [56:36] No. [56:37] Robert F. Smith is the second wealthiest black man in the country. [56:40] He just raised $100 billion. [56:42] So there's always somebody that got a little more than you. [56:45] You know, whatever, what's the nigga name we talking about? [56:49] Steven A. Smith. [56:50] Yeah. [56:51] See how I forgot him already? [56:52] You know, really irrelevant unless you dribble balls, [56:54] but that would be that player that sent me that cease and desist. [56:57] But here's what I would say. [56:58] Check out the Jason Lee show on BET. [57:00] Wait, wait, wait, wait. [57:01] Let me say this. [57:02] This is what's important about our people. [57:03] Like, we're stronger together. [57:05] So like, when you think about like, for example, when you say, [57:08] well, what do you, you know, you shit on Jason Lee. [57:10] Okay. [57:11] We shit on Jason Lee, but Jason Lee's talking to Tyler Perry, Rihanna, [57:14] Robert Smith, Floyd Mayweather, Queen Latifah, all these people. [57:17] You don't know the relationships that people have with people. [57:20] That's why even in my delivery of my content, [57:23] I know that I'm never going to burn a bridge. [57:26] I'm going to have to cross again. [57:28] Like if I'm going to burn a bridge, it's because I walked over it [57:31] and I'm not going to back in that direction. [57:33] Very few times has it been that. [57:36] Have I lit a bridge on fire where I've had to put the fire out [57:38] or I've had the firefighters come to put the fire out? [57:42] Yes. [57:43] But the intentionality of people like Steven A. Smith, [57:47] who will go out there and intentionally try to hurt the culture [57:52] because he thinks his proximity to whiteness is going to make him white. [57:56] You're going to, you're that Django nigga that was dancing at the table with Leo. [57:59] You're never going to be fully embraced by the culture. [58:01] And again, the voters are not going to find your name on that ballot [58:05] the way you couldn't find that hairline. [58:07] I'm going to keep going to that hairline because if you say it enough, it'll stick. [58:10] But he ain't never going to say nothing. [58:12] He got my number. [58:13] Steven ain't going to call me. [58:14] My last question. [58:15] Yeah. [58:16] You like making things proper, putting collaborations together, [58:20] helping people give back. [58:21] Would you ever think about getting Nicki and Cardi to be friends? [58:25] No. [58:26] No. [58:27] Yo, he's like, fuck. [58:28] No, because Cardi never wanted that beef. [58:34] She never started that. [58:36] That wasn't her thing. [58:37] Cardi is a girl's girl. [58:38] You can see by this tour how she's embraced so many women, right? [58:42] I mean, she didn't invite. [58:43] I mean, every damn body. [58:44] She tells me she's so good looking. [58:46] She's so smart. [58:47] You need to embrace your power. [58:49] She's bringing the girls on stage. [58:50] I'm like, yo, it even caught my eye this time. [58:53] I'm like, is that really her? [58:55] It's really her. [58:56] And you know what? [58:57] I will say, I wish she would have brought Bia on stage in Boston though. [59:00] Oh, really? [59:02] For Pretty and Petty where she said, name five Bia songs, gun pointed to your head. [59:06] She could have said that line and let Bia perform five songs. [59:09] So that way nobody would have to die. [59:11] But look, Cardi has done it. [59:13] Yo, Jason is. [59:14] When it comes to Cardi, Nicki thing, Nicki is great in her. [59:17] Nicki will never not be Nicki. [59:19] Like her music is always going to make her an icon. [59:22] I think the Trump shit's weird. [59:24] And that is. [59:25] That's weird. [59:26] That's going to be the thing that tilted the crown. [59:29] But no, Cardi, I think she's doing her own thing. [59:32] Her tour is amazing. [59:33] She's in D.C. tonight. [59:34] And I can't wait to see her in Atlanta next weekend. [59:36] Jason Lee, man. [59:38] BET, Hollywood Unlocked. [59:40] You know, media mogul, man. [59:42] Thank you for sitting down with us, man. [59:43] Thank you, of course. [59:44] Truly appreciate it. [59:45] Anybody that you want to collaborate with that you have not yet? [59:48] That I want to collaborate that I haven't? [59:51] No. [59:52] I mean, I want to interview the Obamas. [59:55] That's the one I keep telling everybody. [59:56] Michelle Obama and her brother, I want to go on their show. [59:59] You know, we have our Impact Awards coming up where I'm really excited about the people [1:00:04] we're honoring this year. [1:00:05] And we've been able to honor people in different ways. [1:00:07] Like, I haven't had Wolfie Goldberg on my show, but we honored at the award show. [1:00:10] Or, you know, I had Babyface on my show and then he became the music director for the award show. [1:00:14] So, like, we've been able to, like, have all these different experiences with people that we love. [1:00:19] And there's ways of, like, we want to start a relationship on the award show so they can see it. [1:00:24] Because on the outside, people may see this show and go, oh, what he said was messy about the season assist. [1:00:29] Well, maybe it was. [1:00:31] But maybe sending it was messy. [1:00:32] Hell, maybe talking about Stephen A. Smith's hairline was bad. [1:00:35] But, you know, he can go to Columbia and fix it if he want to. [1:00:38] We all got options. [1:00:39] You can watch me. [1:00:40] Don't watch me. [1:00:41] Hopefully, you watch the Jason Lee show. [1:00:42] And if you don't, it's okay. [1:00:43] You can't escape me, though. [1:00:45] I'm everywhere. [1:00:47] I'm sort of like a herpy. [1:00:48] Like, you want to avoid it. [1:00:53] But you're going to run into one at some point in your life. [1:00:57] It's going to happen. [1:00:58] Bad few. [1:00:59] Follow us on YouTube. [1:01:01] Keep the numbers going up. [1:01:02] Follow Jason Lee on the gram. [1:01:04] Follow his movement. [1:01:05] I probably shouldn't have said we're like a herpy. [1:01:06] But you know what I mean. [1:01:07] Yeah, understand. [1:01:08] I ain't got it. [1:01:09] So I can say it. [1:01:10] Bad few. [1:01:11] We out of here, y'all. [1:01:12] Peace. [1:01:13] Peace.