Horrifying Stabbing Evidence Shatters Track Meet Murder Trial

[00:00:00] Chris Stewart: What is Carmelo Anthony's side to the story? The state has rested its case in the murder trial of a track athlete who stabbed another athlete to death at a track meet. The question is whether what happened was murder or self-defense. We're one of the only media outlets in the courtroom giving you all the details of what is happening in real time. I'll also tell you why a witness's testimony caused the family of the victim, Austin Metcalf, to step out today. We're on the case presented by Law & Crime. I'm Chris Stewart. Today, the defense finally began telling its side of the story in one of the most closely watched murder trials in the country. With Carmelo Anthony's future hanging in the balance, his attorneys are now trying to reshape the narrative jurors have heard for days, offering a version of events that could determine whether he walks free or this teen spends years in the if not the rest of his life behind bars. But looming over the defense is a question that has haunted this trial from the very beginning. Why did Carmelo Anthony have a knife at a high school track meet that day? After days of testimony from prosecution witnesses, the defense called Anthony's track coach as its first witness. And from the moment he took the stand, jurors heard a different account of what happened in the moments leading up to the deadly confrontation. All right, before we jump into Carmelo Anthony's side of the story, I want to get with Court TV's Cody Thomas inside the courtroom once again today. Cody, let's talk about how the state finished their case. And they call a witness today who's kind of the link between Carmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf. He was teammates with Austin Metcalf, knew Carmelo Anthony to some extent. His name is Eddie. Why was his testimony important? [00:01:48] Cody Thomas: So we've heard this Eddie character's name, Chris, throughout the entire duration of all the student witnesses that have taken the stand. He is the common denominator. We heard a lot of people saying Carmelo knew Eddie. He came over and dapped Eddie up, gave him a handshake. Eddie was a childhood friend of Carmelo's now ex-girlfriend. So that's the connection there. Now, based on all the testimony that the students brought up during the prosecution's case, they were all saying that Eddie and Carmelo looked like they knew each other. It was, you know, it was the obvious link. And that's what the defense kind of talked about in their opening statements. You know, of course, some people under the tent said they didn't know who Carmelo was, but they looked over. He was sitting next to Eddie. Everything came back to this guy named Eddie. All right. So I was thinking, as I've been sitting there for the past few days, that Eddie was going to be a defense witness. Because if he's great friends with Carmelo, then obviously, you know, he fends for his friend, I would say. But one thing I was thinking before he got called was, if he knew Carmelo, why wouldn't he stand up and let everybody know, we know when all the commotion started, hey, this is my friend, that he's here with me, you know, blah, blah, blah. Everything's cool. But never heard that from any of the students' testimony. But anyway, Eddie gets on the stand today. They're going through his testimony. He's about five or 10 minutes in. And then Eddie kind of all but says he knew who Carmelo was. They were cool. But he verbally said, I wouldn't say we were friends. It was just kind of someone that he knew. Okay, cool. Now we move on to the cross-examination by the defense. And this is, I feel, was a little bit of a win for the defense. They showed a whole bunch of pictures of Eddie and Carmelo at these different group settings at Eddie's house, no less. There was 50th birthday parties for Carmelo's ex-girlfriend's mother. Remember, Eddie and the girlfriend, this girl named Valeria, they were the ones that knew each other. And Carmelo was, I guess, the third party, you would say. So when they had these family functions, Carmelo obviously was there. Okay, they showed some group photos, kind of establishing. Then here's another defense win to me today. They showed photos of Carmelo and Eddie together. You know, just being teenagers, goofing off. One is playing a guitar. They're making silly faces at the camera. So Eddie gets up there under direct examination saying, yeah, I know him, but, you know, I wouldn't say he's a friend, but then the defense pushes back and is like, hey, if you're not friends, why don't you have all these pictures together? But the crux of Eddie's testimony today, though, Chris, was that he definitely got emotional talking about Austin's death. He said Austin was like a brother to him. He said that on the stand. And when he was describing, you know, everything that he saw that day, when he came back and saw Austin had a hole in his chest, he immediately choked up and started crying instantly. They had to walk up there and give him Kleenex. And there were some new people in the gallery today, Chris. There were five young boys, presumably former teammates, former classmates of Austin Metcalf. And when they were describing that as well, three of those five boys started crying themselves. And, you know, these are, you know, big football player-esque guys. And they were crying, too, just showing the, you know, the emotional weight that this still carries. And, you know, Carmelo's sitting there. He's taking it all in. I'm looking at him at his table with his defense as this testimony is going on. Still sitting there stoic. I don't know what's going through his head. I'm sure he's realizing the gravity of what's going down. But his defense, the state rested today. So his defense is up. And they've called three witnesses so far, two students included, one of those being one of Carmelo's friends, too. [00:05:03] Chris Stewart: Yeah. And there's been a lot of time spent for both the prosecution and the defense, kind of establishing, like, why Carmelo Anthony was under this tent. Because from the state's perspective, they've hammered this, like, tent culture of track and field, where it's like, you don't go under the tent of another school. But then with this Eddie character coming into play, like, the defense is really trying to show that, like, Carmelo may have been invited under the tent. That's why he's there. I wonder just how much any of that matters. Because I just think of, like, if you're a juror, it's like, when do you enter, like, the bubble of the information that matters? Of, like, the interaction when we talk about things escalating to the point where Austin Metcalfe, maybe it's a hard shove, maybe it's a soft shove, that happens. And then you have Carmelo Anthony responding with this stab wound that eventually takes Austin Metcalfe's life. And that kind of leads to a witness that came, one of the final witnesses for the state today, the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Austin Metcalfe. And before we talk about that part of it, I know you've been sitting kind of near the family of Austin Metcalfe. And I know there's been body cam video, there's been 911 calls. I mean, it's just the weight of what they're going through. It's just hard to imagine. What did you see prior to that witness being called? [00:06:18] Cody Thomas: So, you know, the student witnesses wrap up, and there was this sort of announcement, you know, all the media, as you mentioned, we're all sitting behind Austin Metcalfe's family, every all nine members of the media are behind them. So before this medical examiner comes up, there's an announcement that she's going to be the next witness, to which the prosecution turns around, if you don't want to see or hear about any of these things, I'd advise you to leave the courtroom, because now you're about to get into, you know, the injuries and talking about them. And I was sitting there thinking we were going to see the injuries. We didn't. The jury got to see four pictures of it, but us in the gallery did not see those things, but they were describing it in detail. So anyway, the prosecution announces medical examiners coming in. If you don't want to hear any of this, go out. Austin Metcalfe's mom gets up and goes out immediately, along with some other family members and some people in their camp as well. His dad, Jeff Metcalfe, initially said no. He nodded his head. I was sitting right behind him. He said he didn't want to leave. And then the prosecutor kind of makes a face and just goes, I advise you to leave. You know, I could hear it was kind of a whisper. It wasn't, you know, an announcement. It was more so a direct to him, to which Jeff Metcalfe finally got up and left. And, you know, we heard about this two-inch gaping wound. She described gaping and she described the difference between gaping and a slit-style stabbing wound. Gaping, it's more of it's kind of like filleted open, you know, not to be insensitive to it, but that's the way she kind of described it on the stand. And that it was a two-inch deep wound that hit the cartilage of Austin Metcalfe's sternum and actually pierced one of the ventricles in his heart. So he was literally stabbed in the heart, which is likely why the CPR and lifesaving efforts weren't working, because no matter how much the heart was pumping out, it was leaking, you know, from the source. So it was, you know, really establishing the gravity of the wound. And the jury, again, got to see four pictures. Two of them were Austin Metcalfe on the autopsy table, and two of them were the heart removed from the body. That's what the medical examiner was describing they were seeing. So, of course, I'd imagine that a family didn't want to hear that. So mom, dad, and some other people, I don't know who they were, maybe the aunts and uncles, maybe it's just family, friends and supporters of the Metcalfe family. They all got up and left [00:08:20] Chris Stewart: about seven or eight of them. And I wonder, too, I mean, I know from the first responders who were there, the people who interacted with Carmelo Anthony right after all of this took place, where it seemed like he didn't think that what had happened was going to lead to Austin Metcalfe's death. But then you hear about, I mean, the medical examiner, I think straight up said something along the lines of like, there's no way that he could have survived this, you know, even if he was on an operating table, like a surgeon might not have been able to save him. The wound was that bad. [00:08:49] Cody Thomas: It absolutely was that bad. And those are the exact words that she said. And then one word that stood up to me, Chris, that she said, you know, she starts describing the five manners of death, and to which she, you know, classified this one as a homicide. And when she explained homicide to the jury, she said the intentional, you know, bringing about of death by another human being. But the key word to that to me was, Chris, and I thought the prosecution would harp on a little bit was intentional. You know, it wasn't like accidental, it wasn't this and that. She said the intentional causing of harm that results in death by another human being. So I thought that was a powerful thing, you know, that she said on the stand. [00:09:20] Chris Stewart: And you just wonder to like a statement like that, just that one line. And then I also know from some of these student witnesses who have just very bluntly said they don't believe that this is self defense, we're going to talk about the defense side of things here in a moment and kind of from Carmelo Anthony's perspective, what they're trying to say, but you just wonder over the last couple of days, with so many people just bluntly saying that to the jury, what impact that's going to have. Now, the state ends up resting. Before we get to the defense, I know that there was a quick motion that the defense raised right as the state ended up resting. What was that about? [00:09:56] Cody Thomas: Yeah, the defense immediately motioned for a directed verdict. And in layman's terms, that pretty much means that the defense tells the judge, hey, I don't think the state really proved their point beyond a reasonable doubt. And if it was granted, the judge would be like, you know what, you're right. And pretty much grant this in favor of the defendant to which there would be a not guilty and the defendant walks free. But the motion was almost immediately denied. The prosecutor said a few words, maybe 10 seconds. And then the judge looked over to the defense, Mr. Mike Howard, and said, yeah, your motion is denied. So they tried for the directed verdict before they started their case. Then we took a recess and came back in for the defense to actually start their case. [00:10:31] Chris Stewart: Now, when it comes to the defense's case, the first witness they called was Carmelo Anthony's coach. And so we heard from Austin Metcalf's coach on the state side. What did he say? [00:10:42] Cody Thomas: He was talking about they started off humanizing this defendant here, because let's not let's not forget, we have a victim here. But this kid's liberty is at stake as well. He's claiming this self defense and saying that, you know, he feared for his life, which valid if he did. So this coach gets up there and he's talking about how Carmelo was this athlete who's on the football team. And they presented an exhibit of what they call the captain's wards at his school, to which you see Carmelo's name engraved as the captain in 2024 during his fall senior season. And they also pointed out that that is voted upon by the students pretty much trying to show that, you know, Carmelo Anthony is a reputable guy. He's somewhat of a leader. He looks like a leader to his classmates and his teammates. So they talked about that for a little bit. And then they got into the, you know, we've heard the tent culture. That was what a lot of this is been, you know, that phrase has been circulating around in the courtroom talking about each tent is like each locker room for each team. Therefore, people should not be hanging under the tents. Well, this coach was saying, you know, I get that. But at the same time, it's, I guess it's the discretion of each coach. Whereas we had the coach from Memorial High School, that was the absolute first witness by, or the second witness by the prosecution, talking about how, you know, strict he is and how, you know, he enforces rules. And we had that several student witnesses talk about how Coach Robert Starr, that's the coach for Memorial High School, has been strict. It's been, it's garnered some laughs inside the courtroom when they talk about how strict he was. But this coach here today was saying, you know, there was times where athletes from another school would come under my tent when I'm there and, you know, ask if they could be there. And I was like, yeah, we'll chill out and watch the 200 meters. But what the prosecution harped on during that, when they got on the cross-examination was, you know, he specified when you were there as a coach, as a supervising individual versus, you know, just the teenagers running free. Because this coach also specified that they like to have a coach at the tents at all times, just to watch teenagers. Not, you know, not thinking about crimes. You got boys, you got girls, you got a lot of hormones, you want to keep everything in line with a bunch of teenagers. So, I mean, started off with, you know, positivity for Carmelo, which obviously his side is in support of. But when it got to cross-examination, it just seemed like the prosecution was just ready for everything that this coach had to say and tried [00:12:52] Chris Stewart: to dispute all anything that was being said. And I feel like one question that each day we kind of revisit in talking about this is like, why does Carmelo Anthony have a knife at a track meet? And I feel like to this point, like that has yet, and we'll see, I mean, they are just beginning to present their case. But even in some of the cross-examinations, like it seems like the prosecution continues to hone in on that in asking questions to whether it's a coach or a teammate of Carmelo Anthony about having this knife at a track meet. Yeah, Chris, because that question, that's the biggest [00:13:27] Cody Thomas: question and it hasn't been answered. And, you know, even with the three witnesses today, the second witness was a student and a very good friend of Carmelo's. And, you know, it started off, I thought the defense was on a roll. I was like, all right, the fence is coming back now. This student was talking about how at different track meets, they go under tents. He sits under tents all the time. He actually specified that he sat under the memorial tent for several minutes with Carmelo because they had a common friend that was on the track team. So I was like, oh, here's some pushback. Here's, you know, some clarity in the air about this tent culture. Everything's rolling good for the defense. And then the prosecution comes back and asks, you know, four or five questions. One of those questions being, do you expect a knife to be at a track meet? No, sir. Should a knife be at a track meet? No, sir. Did you expect anything like this to happen? No, sir. You know, just all these different things addressing the knife situation, which, you know, to the average person seems like common knowledge not to have a weapon on school grounds, no matter if it's legal or not, just having a weapon, you know, people can legally carry guns, but you can't have them inside a school. You know what I mean? So that's where the prosecution was going. Every single time the defense tried to get the ball rolling, the prosecution asked those four questions that the answers to those questions went in the [00:14:30] Chris Stewart: prosecution's favor and not the defense's. And I wonder too, because I know like kind of going back to one of the state witnesses today who had mentioned that he felt like Austin was trying to intimidate Carmelo Anthony. So like, eventually it gets to the point where for whatever reason he's in this tent, the members of Austin Metcalfe's track team, Austin Metcalfe, his twin brother, like they just don't want Carmelo Anthony there. And then they get into this like back and forth confrontation. Maybe there's swear words being sent. I know there was like some trash talk one student talked about related to like football that might've like raised things to the next level, but it still seems like there's still this question of like, was Carmelo Anthony in a position where he needed to defend himself to the point that he pulls a knife out of a backpack and stabs Austin Metcalfe in the chest. And it just seems like we keep getting to this point and you're kind of waiting to hear that other side of the story. [00:15:22] Cody Thomas: That that's exactly what everyone in here is waiting for. It's what I'm waiting for, Chris. I want to hear the other side of the story because everything so far from all the students, all the eyewitness accounts who were there on the scene, not talking about the coaches who were in my may have been scattered out, you know, across the stadium. We're talking students who were feet away under the same tent, every last one of them. And let me just address this too, Chris. I mean, I know, you know, the racial aspect of this is a, is a big deal. There've been several black and Hispanic students, probably the majority of these students have been black or, uh, black or Hispanic testifying about these different things, uh, talking about their love for the Metcalfe family and, uh, what have you. But all of these students come back saying that they didn't even expect anything to happen. They thought it was just, you know, some trash talk, some boys, you know, just going back at it and everything you've seen before, you know, may have been some profanity. Some say they don't recall profanity. Some say they did, but they, none of them said that they felt like anything like this was about to happen. One of them even just said, they thought, okay, when Austin shoved them, maybe there would have been a shove back. And you know, that would have been it. But every last one said everything, they said everything happened so fast. And then they didn't even realize what happened until Austin pulls his shirt up and they see a hole in his chest. So to your point, Chris, it's, I'm waiting to hear the defense, whether maybe Carmelo Anthony will take the stand and testify about his own fears, which I would love to hear. You know, I would love to hear both sides. That's how we get a fair trial. But right now, as of now, we haven't really heard anything that results in self-defense by lethal force. In fact, one of the students today said, you know, the question that prosecution has been asking towards the end, do you feel this was self-defense? You know, many of the students just say, no, sir. One said, no, that was lethal force versus non-lethal [00:16:57] Chris Stewart: force, which fair point. Yeah. And again, like those are kind of just, if you're a juror sitting there and you hear that, you know, how do you counter it from the defense's point of view? And, and I think of like, does Carmelo Anthony take the stand and like, we may be like a good ways away from like, whether or not that is going to be a possibility. But I do think like every single witness to this point, who was there, who saw this because he's under an opposing team's tent. Like these are friends of Austin Metcalf who are testifying. So that is certainly a disadvantage, just frankly saying for Carmelo Anthony and giving his side of the story. And he may be the only one who's able to give his side of the story when it comes to the defense before getting to the final witness of today, who I think had like an interesting perspective on things. What did you see from the jury today? Cause I know yesterday, the day before, like there were some really emotional [00:17:45] Cody Thomas: moments. You could tell that the jury was getting emotional. Yeah. Not so emotional today, Chris, they are more so focused than anything, especially during the moments they saw those autopsy photos and, you know, Austin Metcalf's heart literally out of his body. I was looking for some kind of visceral reaction, but they just all seem to just really, you know, just sitting there, just looking, just nodding. They're going back and forth or walking up and down, you know, the jury box showing them these photos, explaining what they're seeing and, you know, getting into all the medical terms and everything, which I'm sure, you know, some of them probably received that, but most of them are probably just receiving the visual that they're looking at, but they were just very focused today. Very focused, just, you know, really listening to what was being said in court. Sometimes I see their eyes wander to the prosecution's table. They'd wander over, look towards the other side, towards Carmelo Anthony, maybe looking for how he'd respond to any of these things, but nothing really [00:18:32] Chris Stewart: emotional from that jury here today. Well, and I know from, I mean, Austin Metcalf's family, like we've talked about, like his dad at times will put his hand or his head in his hands and you understand why with that emotion. From the supporters of Carmelo Anthony, I don't know which family members are there behind him in court. Like what is their emotion as all of this is going on? [00:18:51] Cody Thomas: It's just strict stoicism, Chris. No crying. I've seen, you know, some men with their arms around what I presume to be their wives or girlfriends or maybe even daughters. There's a collection of them over there, maybe 15 to 20 people on Carmelo's side, same amount over here on the Austin Metcalf side, but they're sitting there, no real tears. No one's really wrapping any tears, but really just listening and taking it all in. Just stoic is the only way I can put it. [00:19:17] Chris Stewart: Now, when it comes to this final witness, we won't say their name because he's 17 years old. He is a student at Memorial High School, which is Austin Metcalf's high school. And in just kind of reading the notes of the day here, when it came to the defense questioning him, and he was a defense witness. So this is someone who knew Austin Metcalf was on the team and the defense is calling him. He had, I felt like a little bit of a different perspective of what happened compared to some of the other students from this high school who have taken the stand. [00:19:46] Cody Thomas: Yeah, Chris, and it was interesting before he took the stand or when he actually, right when he took the stand, the defense attorney said that they had not talked before. He was like, yeah, sir, we haven't talked before, but just two minutes right now in the hallway. I thought that was interesting because if you're trying to, you know, gain an edge or gain a leg up, why would you have a witness that you haven't done, you know, witness preparation with? But anyway, they start talking, they're walking through the events. It takes them about 20 to 30 minutes to walk through the lead-ups, everything, and what this kid saw. And we heard this for the first time today. He said, you know, Carmelo, you know, the whole thing with the hand in the bag and touch me and see what happens. He said that Austin Metcalf tapped Carmelo on the shoulder, like as a, you know, as an annoyance, like, oh yeah, touch me and see what happens. And then he says something that we haven't heard yet. He said, Carmelo said, okay, well, hit me and see what happens or punch me and see what happens, which we haven't heard that testimony from any student so far. So I'm just wondering, you know, why it was just now said here. We've had over 10 of these student witnesses, and it was just said now during this witness. And then, you know, as we were, as he was testifying, he was kind of disagreeing with some of the things that the defense attorney was throwing out, you know, obviously asking questions to kind of fit the narrative of the defense here with the self-defense claim. And one of their, you know, narratives that they're throwing out is that, you know, these Metcalf boys were some big boys, six, you know, 6'1", 6'2", linebackers over 200 pounds. And they started talking about the size comparison thing again, starting to go down that rabbit hole. And they were talking about Austin. Austin was 6'1", 2'13", according to the medical examiner. And his brother Hunter, the defense is like, well, Hunter was similar inside, you know, trying to make them out to be, you know, the big bullies and all. That's the narrative they're going down. And as the defense attorney is asking this, I can see Jeff Metcalf, the father, you know, just shaking his head, shaking his head like these boys are not the same size. And the young man on the stand said, I wouldn't say that. And he actually said that Austin was substantially bigger than Hunter, which is very interesting. I mean, you know, you're going down this narrative and then you have a witness on the stand that's supposed to be in support of your narrative. And he's negating things that you're saying. I don't know how that looks in front of a jury. I imagine it's kind of damaging, maybe not extremely damaging, but it can't be, you know, positive. [00:22:00] Chris Stewart: Yeah. And I saw like, this is one of the notes that you put in there, just something along the line of you have like Hunter who is apparently like, and this is before the incident happens. Hunter is apparently talking to Carmelo Anthony. Austin's tone was moderate. And I guess this student kind of doesn't remember saying this to a detective, but he had recalled at the time, something along the lines of Austin said, like, you better move before I beat your, another word for behind that we can't say here, which like that is different. That is different than what we heard from some of the other students. As far as, you know, if you're talking about the situation that Carmelo was in, that is certainly different than what we've heard from, you know, some of the state witnesses that came earlier in the week. [00:22:40] Cody Thomas: Yeah. And I, you know, that's, that's a win for the defense. If the jury takes it on, because that shows that Austin Metcalf was equally an aggressor here because so far, you know, through all the witnesses with the prosecution, everyone's, you know, in this agreement that Carmelo was this aggressor, Carmelo was the instigator. Maybe that's a better word in that Austin was just simply frustrated. But now we're hearing that Austin might've been saying some curse words back to Carmelo, maybe provoking each other, you know, versus just being a one-sided thing, no matter whether Carmelo was randomly there under the tent or not. I mean, we're still talking about the provocation between these two young men and that's what matters here. What are the facts and the truth surrounding that? [00:23:17] Chris Stewart: When you look at the cross-examination though, from the prosecution, and it seemed like that they were almost prepared for this witness and what they were going to say, because there was like one line and I'm just kind of picking one out here, something along the lines of, of he wasn't anticipated, you know, from the shove that Austin Metcalf gave Carmelo Anthony, he was not anticipating, he was anticipating a shove back, something along that lines. He was not anticipating Carmelo Anthony to pull a knife out and use that type of force. It just seems like the prosecution in some of these cases is prepared for what potentially could be some damaging testimony, like what this student talked [00:23:50] Cody Thomas: about. Exactly. And that's to the point I was making earlier, Chris, when the defense brought this witness up there, he clarified to the court that they hadn't talked before. But then when the prosecution said, oh yeah, we've talked for more than two minutes. And I was like, why would the prosecution be talking longer to a defense witness? But they were going down this path and it, it seems like the kid was under direct examination versus cross-examination when they came to talking to the prosecution, because the prosecutor was walking down kind of the same questions that he'd been asking their student witnesses when they got on the stand, just establishing, establishing the scene. And again, to the point, the line just pointed out, he was just expecting this shove back, not really concerned. He's kind of watching the races and everything going on, not expecting a knife to get pulled out and not even being concerned or scared of the situation. You know, he didn't even feel like there was a fight that was going to happen. And he also ended by saying, you know, he did not see Austin Metcalf as wanting to fight. He clearly said in his last answer by the prosecution under cross-examination that he felt Carmelo was in the wrong. And that's how the day ended. That was right before the adjournment and the recess right here, right now. So they got a few wins here, Chris, some small wins on the defensive side. I would have, you know, like to hear more challenges by the defense just to, you know, make it seem like it was a fair, a fair assessment of what was going on. But based on the witnesses call today, and again, very early, we don't know what next week is going to look like. They have an off day tomorrow on Sunday. We don't know if Carmelo will take the stand. We don't know if we'll have some stronger witnesses, but based off the witnesses today, it seems like they're off to a weaker start than expected. [00:25:21] Chris Stewart: Yeah. And you think about the jury too, and just some of the emotion that I know you said that you saw from those jurors in the state, the state case, you know, and certainly having that impact early. There's no doubt that this is a tragedy in any way. We'll see what happens next week as the defense now is presenting their case as Carmelo Anthony charged with first degree murder. We'll see what happens next. Cody Thomas. Great job as always court TV inside the courtroom for us covering this very high profile trial. Thanks for being here. [00:25:47] Cody Thomas: Thanks for having me, Chris, as always happy to be here. [00:25:50] Chris Stewart: That will do it for on the case presented by law and crime. Subscribe to us on YouTube and Spotify. And we're also now streaming on Peacock. I'm Chris Stewart. 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