FULL TESTIMONY: Lindsay Clancy’s Ex-Husband Patrick Clancy Recalls Children’s Final Moments — AB1B

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: So, on Monday, I had asked you some questions about the Surface Pro that you and the defendant had in your home and had access to, and about whether you had looked at a site on suicide methods on August 22nd. If I could ask you, did you look at a site for suicide methods on August 23rd, 2022? [00:00:24] Lindsay: I don't believe so. [00:00:26] Speaker 1: And I had also asked you on Monday about when you were leaving the home on the night of January 24th, 2023, your observations of Lindsay and the children. Do you recall that? [00:00:44] Lindsay: Yes. [00:00:45] Speaker 1: And you had testified that you observed Dawson on the couch eating, I believe you said chicken nuggets and green beans. Is that correct? [00:00:52] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:00:52] Speaker 1: Do you recall, if you're facing the couch, where he was on the couch? [00:00:59] Lindsay: If I were facing the couch, he would be to the right. [00:01:02] Speaker 1: To the right. Okay. And showing you a photograph of the living room where there are some bowls on the couch. Is that a fair and accurate depiction of how the couch looked that night? [00:01:16] Speaker 3: Yeah. [00:01:18] Speaker 1: We could have this photo marked with some message to them. [00:01:21] Speaker 3: All right. Any objection? No, of course not. That may be admitted. [00:01:32] Speaker 1: Now, as you're getting ready to leave the house, to head out, to get the takeout, did Lindsay say anything to you? [00:01:44] Lindsay: Nothing specific that I can recall, other than maybe goodbye. [00:01:49] Speaker 1: Do you recall discussing something about CVS with her? [00:01:53] Lindsay: Yeah. Okay. [00:01:54] Speaker 1: And what did she say about CVS? [00:01:57] Lindsay: She wanted me to pick up some stool softener for Cora. [00:02:02] Speaker 1: And she hadn't mentioned that earlier in the text, correct? [00:02:06] Lindsay: Yeah, I don't think so. [00:02:08] Speaker 1: So as you're leaving, she asked you to make a second or another stop while you're out. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. And in response to that request, did you ask her to do something? [00:02:22] Lindsay: I don't remember. [00:02:27] Speaker 1: I could show you page 77, plans 23 and 24, if you could just read those to yourself. [00:02:36] Lindsay: Yeah, I told her to text it to me, which she did. [00:02:38] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So that refreshes your memory and asked her to text it to you? [00:02:42] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:02:43] Speaker 1: And did she do so? [00:02:44] Lindsay: She did. [00:02:45] Speaker 1: And was that at approximately 5.15 p.m. that she texted PDLX? [00:02:50] Lindsay: Sounds correct. [00:02:58] Speaker 1: So your two stops then that night were going to be CVS and the 3V restaurant, correct? [00:03:04] Lindsay: Yes. [00:03:05] Speaker 1: Where did you go first? [00:03:06] Lindsay: CVS. [00:03:07] Speaker 1: And do you remember the route that you took to get there? [00:03:11] Lindsay: Yeah, I went out our driveway, took a ride on Winter Street, and then took a left on the main road, and went to CVS. [00:03:17] Speaker 1: So it's a pretty direct route from your house to CVS? Yeah. Open that. Just going to have you look at the screen, if you would, to a map. And coming in to this red dot here, is that the approximate location of your home at 47 Summer Street? [00:03:49] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:03:50] Speaker 1: And then looking at this pink dot here next to Big Y, is that where the CVS is located? [00:03:58] Lindsay: Yes. [00:03:59] Speaker 1: And that's the CVS you went to that night? [00:04:02] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:04:02] Speaker 1: About how long did it take you to get there? [00:04:09] Lindsay: Three minutes. [00:04:12] Speaker 1: And when you got to CVS, did you go inside? [00:04:15] Lindsay: Yes. [00:04:16] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:04:18] Speaker 1: And what section did you go to in CVS? [00:04:23] Lindsay: I think it was pediatrics. [00:04:24] Speaker 1: If we could pull up the CVS video. I'm going to ask you to look at the video here. Is that you entering the store? [00:04:45] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:04:45] Speaker 1: And that section you head to on the right, is that the pediatric medication section? [00:04:57] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:04:58] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:05:06] Speaker 1: And while you're in that section looking for the medication, do you do something? [00:05:14] Lindsay: I called Lindsay. [00:05:15] Speaker 1: And why did you call Lindsay? [00:05:17] Lindsay: Because what we were looking for wasn't there. The shelves were pretty empty. It was still during COVID. [00:05:22] Speaker 1: It was, I'm sorry, what? [00:05:23] Lindsay: It was during COVID, so. [00:05:25] Speaker 1: Okay. So, and was that call at about approximately 5.33 p.m.? [00:05:30] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:05:30] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:05:31] Speaker 1: And then, did she answer the call? [00:05:34] Lindsay: Yes. [00:05:35] Speaker 1: She entered when you called her? [00:05:38] Lindsay: Actually, I think she didn't at first. She called back. [00:05:41] Speaker 1: Okay. And did you receive a call back from her about a minute later at 5.34 p.m.? [00:05:46] Lindsay: Yeah, that's correct. [00:05:47] Speaker 1: Okay. And can you describe that phone call for us? [00:05:52] Lindsay: It was very brief. I just said, I think there was a generic brand. And I said, is this one okay? And she said, yeah, that's fine. [00:05:59] Speaker 1: And what was her demeanor during the call? [00:06:05] Lindsay: She was pretty quiet. It sounded like she was busy. I remember hanging up thinking she's probably in the middle of giving baths or something like that. [00:06:13] Speaker 1: So it sounded to you like she was in the middle of something? [00:06:15] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:06:17] Speaker 1: Were you able to understand her when she spoke to you? [00:06:20] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:06:21] Speaker 1: And did she seem to understand what you were saying? [00:06:24] Lindsay: Yes. [00:06:26] Speaker 1: And she didn't seem to have any trouble recalling why you were at CVS or what you were looking for? [00:06:32] Lindsay: That's correct. [00:06:39] Speaker 1: And did you, in fact, purchase some PDLACs at CVS? [00:06:45] Lindsay: Yes. [00:06:49] Speaker 1: Did you purchase anything else while you were there? [00:06:52] Lindsay: I bought a pack of Skittles. [00:06:54] Speaker 1: Just showing you a receipt from CVS. Does this appear to be an accurate description of what was purchased? [00:07:01] Speaker 3: Yeah. [00:07:03] Speaker 1: We could have the CVS receipt marked as the next exhibit, please. [00:07:06] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. [00:07:09] Speaker 1: And then we could have the original CVS video marked as an exhibit and the CVS timeline. [00:07:22] Speaker ?: I'll convince her to mark this the following exhibit. [00:07:26] Speaker 3: The 27 and 28. [00:07:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, the original mark is 27. And the timeline is 28, please. [00:07:51] Speaker 3: It was 26, 27, and 28 is the mark. All right. Thank you. [00:07:57] Speaker 1: After you had made your purchases at CVS, where did you go next? [00:08:01] Lindsay: To 3V. [00:08:02] Speaker 1: And do you remember the route you took to get there? [00:08:06] Lindsay: Yeah, I think I got on Route 3 South for just, I think, just one exit. And then I got off and went straight to 3V. [00:08:14] Speaker 1: And showing you the map again here on the screen, this green dot here on the bottom, is that where 3V restaurant is located? [00:08:26] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:08:26] Speaker 1: Your Honor, I'd move to submit a copy, a digital copy of the map. We have it on the computer. I can make a hard copy. [00:08:57] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. [00:08:59] Speaker 1: We can use empty cases as a marker. Is it 29? [00:09:12] Speaker 3: All right. Thank you. [00:09:21] Speaker 1: If you could pull up the review video, please. Now, sir, how long approximately did it take you to get from CVS to 3V? [00:09:44] Lindsay: Probably around 10 minutes. [00:09:46] Speaker 1: And when you got to the 3V restaurant, did you go inside? [00:09:50] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:09:51] Speaker 1: I'm just going to ask you to watch the video on the screen. At 5.54, 15 p.m., is that you coming in behind that other couple there? [00:10:10] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:10:19] Speaker 1: And what are you doing at that point when you're looking at the bags? [00:10:22] Lindsay: I think I was looking for the bag with my name on it. [00:10:25] Speaker 1: Do you recall what you're doing on your phone at that time? [00:10:49] Lindsay: I don't. It could be work-related. It could be anything. [00:10:58] Speaker 1: And the order that was listed under your name and phone number, correct? [00:11:05] Lindsay: I think Lindsay ordered it. [00:11:07] Speaker 1: Right. But do you recall whose name it was under when you picked it up? [00:11:11] Lindsay: I don't recall specifically, but it could have been mine. [00:11:15] Speaker 1: Show you a receipt here from 3V restaurant for Mediterranean Power Bowl and scallop and pork belly risotto. If you just look at the name and the number on the receipt. [00:11:26] Lindsay: Yeah, that's my name and my number. [00:11:28] Speaker 1: So that's your phone number? [00:11:29] Speaker ?: Yeah. Okay. [00:11:30] Speaker 1: So although the defendant called in the order, your name and phone number were given and were given accurately, is that correct? Correct. If we could have the 3V video mark as the next exhibit. Sure. [00:11:46] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. [00:11:49] Lindsay: Good afternoon, Mark. [00:11:55] Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Mark. [00:12:25] Speaker ?: Good afternoon, Mark. [00:12:55] Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Mark. order that may be admitted. Sir, after picking up the order at 3V, where did you go next? Home. [00:13:37] Lindsay: And do you recall the route you took home? Probably the same route, one exit on the highway [00:13:44] Speaker 1: and then went home. Okay. Do you recall approximately how long it took you to get home? [00:13:50] Lindsay: I would guess 10 to 12 minutes. [00:14:07] Speaker 1: When you arrived home, where did you park? In the driveway. What type of car did you drive then? A Chevy Silverado. And was that a white pickup truck? Yeah. What kind of car did Lindsay drive then? It was a Kia SUV. And once you parked there, were both vehicles now in the driveway? Yeah. I'm going to show you a series of photographs of the exterior of your home. You could just look through them and tell me if they accurately reflect how you're told on January 24th, 2023. [00:14:57] Speaker ?: you could have these photographs of Eve here. You could have these photographs of Eve here at the home front and back. mine specifically is going to spend a few minutes. [00:15:15] Lindsay: Yeah, these are accurate. [00:15:17] Speaker ?: Yeah, these are accurate. Yeah, these are accurate. [00:15:20] Speaker 1: You could have these photographs of Eve here at the home front and back. Mine specifically is going to see this. [00:15:27] Speaker 3: they may be admitted, thank you. [00:15:40] Speaker 1: They're showing you what's been marked as exhibit. 32. Is this the front of your house with the main door? [00:16:08] Lindsay: Yes. [00:16:09] Speaker 1: And then showing you what's been marked as exhibit 33, where is this in relation to that main front door? [00:16:17] Lindsay: It's to the right. [00:16:19] Speaker 1: And here where the light is, is that a secondary entrance at the front of the house? [00:16:25] Lindsay: Yes. [00:16:26] Speaker 1: And for the record that's to the left of the garage? [00:16:29] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:16:30] Speaker 1: Showing you exhibit 34, can you tell us what portion of the house this is? [00:16:38] Lindsay: It's to the left of the front door. [00:16:41] Speaker 1: So if I'm facing the front door, it's to the left, there's a fence there, is that correct? And exhibit 35, is that more of that same fence on the left? [00:16:52] Lindsay: Yes. [00:16:53] Speaker 1: And then showing you exhibit 36, is this looking at your backyard from that left side area where the fence is? [00:17:05] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:17:06] Speaker 1: And then exhibit 37, can you tell us what we're seeing here? [00:17:14] Lindsay: This is the back of the house and the window where Lindsay jumped out. [00:17:19] Speaker 1: And exhibit 38, is that a more direct view of that back of the house? [00:17:26] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:17:27] Speaker 1: And so, the window you referenced about Lindsay, is it this upper right top window? Yeah. And what is behind that window? What room? [00:17:42] Lindsay: Our bedroom. Our bedroom. [00:17:44] Speaker 1: And the window to the left, there in the middle, what room is that window in? [00:17:51] Lindsay: That's the upstairs bathroom. [00:17:53] Speaker 1: And then the top window on the far left, what room is that for? [00:17:57] Lindsay: That was Dawson's bedroom. [00:17:58] Speaker 1: Dawson's bedroom. And then directly below the top right window, so the bottom far right window, what room is that window for? [00:18:08] Lindsay: The living room. [00:18:09] Speaker 1: And then again, the middle window on the bottom level? [00:18:13] Lindsay: Downstairs, bathroom. [00:18:15] Speaker 1: And then that window on the far left there, is that the kitchen? [00:18:21] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:18:22] Speaker 1: And on the far left of the photo, where the sliding glass doors are, what does that lead into? [00:18:28] Lindsay: There's like a room off of the kitchen where there is a kitchen table. [00:18:47] Speaker 1: When you got home and you parked your truck, how did you get into the home? [00:18:53] Lindsay: I went in through that side door. [00:18:56] Speaker 1: The door that was to the left of the garage? Yeah. And what did you do once you got inside the home? [00:19:04] Lindsay: I started taking my boots off. [00:19:08] Speaker 1: And did you have some bags with you from CVS and 3V? Yeah. [00:19:14] Lindsay: Where did you place those? [00:19:15] Speaker 1: On the kitchen island. I'll show you a couple photos of that area where you came in. Just tell us if it accurately represents how they looked. That area looked on January 24th, please. Yeah, that's accurate. You could have these two photos marked as the next exhibit, please. [00:19:45] Speaker ?: They may be admitted. [00:19:48] Speaker 1: Exhibit 39 and 40. Can you tell us where the sliding glass doors are in this photograph? [00:20:06] Lindsay: They're to the left of the kitchen table. [00:20:09] Speaker 1: So we have here the kitchen table, kind of in the center of the photograph, is that correct? Yeah. And so these are the sliding glass doors? [00:20:18] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:20:19] Speaker 1: And where is the door that you came through? [00:20:21] Lindsay: To the right after the kitchen table. [00:20:24] Speaker 1: Right here next to the curtain? Yeah. And the door, when you're looking at the photo straight ahead, this door to the left of the mirror or the photo there, where does that lead? [00:20:36] Lindsay: The garage. [00:20:37] Speaker 1: And then showing you exhibit 40, is that where you place the bags on the island in the kitchen? Yeah. When you came into the house and you were taking off your boots and putting things down, was there anything you noticed? [00:21:04] Lindsay: Yeah. The house was really quiet. [00:21:06] Speaker 1: Is that unusual? Yeah. And when you realized it was really quiet, what did you do? [00:21:14] Lindsay: I called out. [00:21:16] Speaker 1: And who did you call out to? [00:21:19] Lindsay: Everyone. [00:21:20] Speaker 1: Did anyone answer? [00:21:21] Lindsay: No. [00:21:22] Speaker 1: After you called out and no one answered, what did you do next? [00:21:27] Lindsay: Uh, I think I, I don't know the order, but I called down in the basement and no one answered. And then, um, I called Lindsay to see if she was home, because I looked out and I, I couldn't see her car, but it's because it was dark and her car's black. [00:21:47] Speaker 1: Okay, so when you, you say you, um, you called down to the basement, when you approached the basement door, do you remember if it was open or shut? [00:21:56] Lindsay: It was shut. Yeah. [00:21:58] Speaker 1: So did you open it and yell down? Yeah. And there was no response? Correct. And, um, showing you a photo here, is, is that a fair and accurate depiction of the stairway down to the basement level? Yeah. You could have this marked as the next secret case. [00:22:13] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. [00:22:14] Speaker 1: To the point. Do you recall when you opened the door to yell down whether the light was on or off? [00:22:25] Lindsay: Yeah, it was on, but Lindsay always locked the light on. Okay. [00:22:33] Speaker 1: And you said you called Lindsay, um, was that a phone call? Yeah. And was that at approximately 6:09 p.m.? Yeah. And did she answer? Yeah. After calling down, um, the stairs to the basement, did you leave the door open or did you close it? I don't remember. [00:22:54] Lindsay: Okay. I would think I closed it because I always try to keep it closed. Um, I'm not sure. [00:23:00] Speaker 1: Okay. Um, and so after you called Lindsay and didn't get a response, what did you do next? [00:23:05] Lindsay: I started checking upstairs. [00:23:08] Speaker 1: And where did you check upstairs? Um, first the bathroom. [00:23:13] Lindsay: I thought maybe they were taking baths. Um, but there's no one there. And then where did you go? [00:23:19] Speaker 1: The kids' bedrooms. [00:23:20] Lindsay: Was there anyone in the kids' bedrooms? [00:23:22] Speaker 1: No. Um, and then did you go to your bedroom? [00:23:26] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:23:27] Speaker 1: And were you able to get into your bedroom right away? No. [00:23:30] Lindsay: The door was locked and that's when I knew something was wrong. [00:23:33] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:23:34] Speaker 1: And when you realized the door was locked, um, did you have a way to unlock it? [00:23:39] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:23:40] Lindsay: The previous owners, um, when they installed the doorknobs had these, uh, like these keys that they taped to the back of each door. So I got the one from Cora's room and then I started unlocking the, the knob. Okay. [00:23:55] Speaker 1: And, um, when you unlocked the door to your bedroom, um, did you go in? [00:24:01] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:24:02] Speaker 1: And what did you see when you, um, opened the door and went in? [00:24:06] Lindsay: I just saw blood everywhere and the window is open. [00:24:11] Speaker 1: And... Showing you here a photo, is, is this, um, the bed in your bedroom? Yeah. Now, the way the bed is in this photo, um, kind of pulled away from the wall and slightly askew or at an angle, is that the way it was typically? No. And when you left the bedroom that day, um, for the last time prior to coming home later that night, was the bed in that position? I, I don't think so. I could have this photo in there. It may be admitted. [00:24:48] Speaker 3: It may be admitted. [00:24:50] Speaker ?: It's going to. [00:24:52] Speaker 1: And you said you saw the window, is that correct? Yeah. Was it open? [00:25:08] Lindsay: Yeah, there was wind blowing in. [00:25:10] Speaker 1: Showing you a photo here. Is that a fair and accurate depiction of how the window looked? Yeah. [00:25:20] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. [00:25:26] Speaker 1: Okay. [00:25:27] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:25:28] Speaker 1: Okay. Did you walk into the room and over to the window? [00:25:32] Lindsay: No. [00:25:33] Speaker 1: How far into the room did you get? [00:25:35] Lindsay: Probably one or two steps. And then I immediately turned around and went outside. [00:25:41] Speaker 1: And the, the blood that you, you saw, where was that located in the room? [00:25:47] Lindsay: It was everywhere. It was, um, it looked like it was sprayed almost with like a hose. And there was a huge puddle in the middle of the room. And it was sprayed all over the, pretty much every surface. I remember it was on the doorknob. [00:26:06] Speaker 1: Okay. Showing you, um, three photos. Do you recognize, um, what's depicted there? And is that, um, a fair and accurate depiction of how the room looked on January 24th, 2023? Yeah. We could have these sort of, three photos marked us in the next day exhibits. [00:26:40] Speaker 3: They may be admitted. [00:26:54] Speaker 1: So, sir, showing you what's been marked, exhibit 44. Um, is this the entrance to the room and looking into the room? Yeah. And then exhibit 45. Is this mirror to the right of that bureau we were just looking at? [00:27:22] Speaker ?: Yep. [00:27:23] Speaker 1: And, um, this area right here, is this the blood you were referring to? Yeah, that's some of the blood. And then in exhibit 46, is that closer to, getting closer to the window? Yeah. And is that, um, more of the blood that you, you were talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Going back to exhibit 42. There's, there's no blood on the walls or, or on the bedding, um, correct? Um, correct. [00:28:02] Lindsay: On those walls in the bedding, correct? [00:28:08] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:28:38] Speaker 1: Sir, were you aware that the defendant's phone was found on the bed in the bedroom that night? [00:28:46] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:28:47] Speaker ?: Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Thank you. [00:29:30] Speaker 1: They're showing you this phone with this light brown case. You recognize this? Yes. Whose phone is it? [00:29:39] Lindsay: That was Lindsey's phone. [00:29:42] Speaker 1: And is this the phone that she was consistently using between September of 2022 and well actually August of 2022 throughout the fall and into January of 2023? Yeah. [00:29:55] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. [00:29:56] Speaker ?: 347. Sir, after making those observations in the bedroom, what did you do next? I ran downstairs and went outside. [00:29:56] Speaker 1: I ran downstairs and went outside. And do you recall whether you came around, whether you went out the front door or the back door? I went out the back door. So that would be the sliders. Is that right? Yeah. [00:30:22] Lindsay: And where did you go from there? I just looked around in the backyard below that window and I saw Lindsey. [00:30:25] Speaker 1: And where did you see her? She was face up in the backyard. Uh, she was face up in the backyard. And where in the backyard was she? At the bottom of the window. Okay. [00:30:31] Lindsay: And so, um. So that would be the sliders. Is that right? Yeah. And where did you go from there? I just looked around in the backyard below that window and I saw Lindsay. And where did you see her? She was face up in the backyard. And where in the backyard was she? At the bottom of the window. And so. [00:31:02] Speaker 1: Looking at exhibit 38. You said this was the window, correct? The top right? Correct. Where was she in relation to that window? Directly below it. So down here by the window well? Yeah. For the record, I was pointing straight below the bottom right window by the window well. I'll show you a photo of that window you were referring to. Is this the exterior view of that window to your bedroom that night? Yeah. We could have this marked this. That may be admitted. Exhibit 48. I'm showing you Exhibit 48. So the window's open, correct? Yes. And the screen for the window is up, correct? Yeah. At any point in time that night or afterwards, did you notice that the screen was cut or broken in any way? [00:32:13] Lindsay: I didn't notice that, no. [00:32:27] Speaker 1: And when you saw Lindsay on the ground there under the window, which direction was her body facing? [00:32:35] Lindsay: Her head was closer to the house. Her feet were away from the house. [00:32:38] Speaker 1: Okay. And did you go to her? [00:32:40] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:32:40] Speaker 1: And did you observe any injuries? Yes. And what did you see? [00:32:47] Lindsay: She had deep cuts on her wrists and she had a red line across her neck. I wasn't sure what it was at first, but she cut her neck. [00:33:02] Speaker 1: And do you recall that these wounds weren't actively bleeding at the time? [00:33:07] Lindsay: I later learned that I said that on the 911 call. [00:33:12] Speaker 1: And when you observed these wounds, is it correct that the 911 operator asked you or instructed you to apply pressure if needed? [00:33:23] Lindsay: I don't recall the whole call, but I believe that's probably true. [00:33:28] Speaker 1: Okay. And you didn't, at the time, feel the need to apply pressure to any of those wounds, correct? [00:33:33] Lindsay: Correct. [00:33:34] Speaker 1: Did you say anything to Lindsay when you found her in that state? [00:33:39] Lindsay: Yeah, I said, "What happened?" [00:33:41] Speaker 1: And what was her response? [00:33:43] Lindsay: She said, "I tried to kill myself." [00:33:45] Speaker 1: Did you ask her anything else? [00:33:51] Lindsay: I said, "Where are the kids?" [00:33:52] Speaker 1: And what was her response? [00:33:54] Lindsay: She said, "They're in the basement." [00:33:56] Speaker 1: And at that time, she didn't tell you that they needed help or they were in danger or they were injured, correct? [00:34:03] Lindsay: Correct. [00:34:08] Speaker 1: And so you mentioned talking to someone on 911. At what point did you call 911? [00:34:14] Lindsay: I don't know the exact time, but it took a few minutes because my phone was switching between Wi-Fi and 911. So I almost just started calling out for the neighbors, but eventually it went through. [00:34:26] Speaker 1: Okay. So you had some difficulty connecting, but eventually you connected to the 911 operator? [00:34:31] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:34:32] Speaker 1: Okay. And did you stay on the phone with them while they were sending people to respond? [00:34:38] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:34:38] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:34:44] Speaker 1: While you're on the phone with 911, are they asking you questions and you're responding with information about her condition? [00:35:06] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:35:08] Speaker 1: Okay. And if you could just look at the screen here. Is this the model of the first floor of your home? [00:35:15] Lindsay: Yes. [00:35:16] Speaker 1: Okay. And so we have here the sliding glass doors. Where would the basement door be in this model? [00:35:27] Lindsay: Directly below the stairs. [00:35:29] Speaker 1: So now that it's flipped around, is this the door to the basement right here? [00:35:49] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:35:50] Speaker 1: For the record, that's the door across from the downstairs bathroom? Yeah. [00:35:55] Lindsay: And then... [00:35:58] Speaker 1: How long approximately, and I know you weren't looking at your watch or anything like that, but can you estimate for us how long it took for first responders to arrive? Four or five minutes. [00:36:17] Lindsay: Four or five minutes. [00:36:18] Speaker 1: Okay. And during that time, are you continuing to try to talk to Lindsay? Yeah. Is she responding? [00:36:26] Lindsay: She's in and out of consciousness. Okay. [00:36:29] Speaker 1: Was she breathing on her own? [00:36:31] Lindsay: I believe so. [00:36:33] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:36:34] Speaker 1: And you're communicating information to the 911 operators and are they giving you, you know, advice on how to deal with the situation as it progresses? [00:36:45] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:36:45] Speaker 1: Okay. Once emergency personnel arrive, what do you do? [00:36:51] Lindsay: I immediately got up and ran to the basement. [00:36:54] Speaker 1: Okay. And do you still have the phone on you? You're still on the 911 call? [00:36:59] Lindsay: Yeah. I didn't realize it at the time, but I did. [00:37:02] Speaker 1: Okay. And have you look at this model here on the screen. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of the setup of your basement? [00:37:13] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:37:14] Speaker 1: Okay. If you can just describe the rooms for us, what the purpose of each room was. [00:37:20] Lindsay: So the room in the back left is my office. The room with the black rubber mat is the gym. And then there's the living room to the right of that. And then the back right is just an area of the living room. And then there's a bathroom next to that. [00:37:39] Speaker 1: So when you come down those stairs that night, which direction did you go? Immediately went left. And when you went left, what did you see? [00:37:52] Lindsay: I saw Cora. [00:37:53] Speaker 1: And how did she look? [00:37:56] Lindsay: She had a band around her neck. [00:37:59] Speaker 1: And was that an exercise band? [00:38:01] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:38:02] Speaker 1: And do you recall whether she was, what position she was in, whether face up or face down? [00:38:10] Lindsay: She's face down. [00:38:12] Speaker 1: And when you saw her in that condition, what did you do? [00:38:16] Lindsay: I immediately ran over and tried to take the band off. [00:38:21] Speaker 1: Were you able to get the band off? [00:38:23] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:38:24] Speaker 1: And do you recall how you got the band off? [00:38:26] Lindsay: I think I untied it. [00:38:28] Speaker 1: And when you say untied it, was it in a knot that you had to put everything down and unknot it? Or how was it tied? [00:38:35] Lindsay: I'm not sure I fully remember. [00:38:38] Speaker 1: Do you recall describing it previously as when you initially tie your shoes but then don't do the bow? [00:38:46] Lindsay: Yeah, that sounds right. [00:38:50] Speaker 1: And was she responsive? No. And what did you see or do next? [00:38:57] Lindsay: I saw Callan. [00:38:59] Speaker 1: And where was he? [00:39:00] Lindsay: He was next to her. [00:39:01] Speaker 1: And how did he appear? [00:39:04] Lindsay: He had a band around his neck. Sorry? He had a band around his neck. [00:39:09] Speaker 1: And did you remove that as well? [00:39:11] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:39:12] Speaker 1: Yeah. And do you recall what position he was in? [00:39:14] Lindsay: Same as Cora. [00:39:15] Speaker 1: And looking at the model here, if you could just tell us where was Cora? [00:39:25] Lindsay: The left of the couch. [00:39:26] Speaker 1: So would that be this area here that I'm pointing to in between the bureau and the couch? Yeah. And where was Callan? [00:39:35] Lindsay: To her left. [00:39:36] Speaker 1: So would that be more over here towards the chair and the bureau? [00:39:41] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:39:46] Speaker 1: After you removed the band from Callan's neck, what did you do next? [00:39:52] Lindsay: I tried to find Dawson. [00:39:54] Speaker 1: And where did you go? [00:39:56] Lindsay: I looked in the bathroom and on the other side of the couch. And then I went to the other side of the basement and he was in my office. [00:40:06] Speaker 1: And when you saw Dawson, what condition was he in? [00:40:12] Lindsay: I knew he was gone. [00:40:15] Speaker 1: And did he also have a band around his neck? [00:40:17] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:40:18] Speaker 1: And did you remove that band? [00:40:20] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:40:21] Speaker 1: And looking at the office here, where was he located within the office? [00:40:31] Lindsay: Just to the left of the door when you went in. [00:40:33] Speaker 1: Just in this area here, right inside the door? [00:40:35] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:40:45] Speaker 1: If we may approach briefly. Yeah, please. [00:40:47] Speaker ?: Come on. Thank you. [00:41:21] Speaker 1: Now, after finding Dawson and taking off the band, what happened next? [00:41:31] Lindsay: I think I was back and forth. I think I went to try to help Cora. [00:41:36] Speaker 1: Did you try to give her CPR? [00:41:39] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:41:40] Speaker 1: At some point in time, do the first responders make their way down to the basement? [00:41:44] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:41:45] Speaker 1: And do they take over care of the children? [00:41:48] Lindsay: Yeah. [00:41:49] Speaker 1: Where do you go? [00:41:50] Lindsay: Yeah. They sent me upstairs. [00:41:52] Speaker 1: Okay. And, um, at this point, Your Honor, I'd move to submit the 9-1-1 call as the next exhibit. Aye. [00:42:02] Speaker 3: That may be allowed pursuant to the earlier order. [00:42:09] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:42:39] Speaker 1: yeah was that Beth Israel Deaconess in Plymouth yeah did you also go to that location yeah and at the hospital were you able to see your children yeah and was Cowan then transported to Children's Hospital yeah did anyone ever tell you not to leave your kids alone with Lindsay in January of 2024 2023 did Lindsay ever tell you that she wanted to harm your children did she ever tell you she was going to kill your children yeah did you receive a few days after this this happened did you receive a phone call from the defendant while she was at Brigham and Women's [00:43:51] Lindsay: Hospital I think it was like a week or so after yeah and what did the defendant say at [00:44:01] Speaker 1: that time about what had happened with the children she didn't talk about our kids she talked about what she went through and what did she say about what she went through she said she heard a [00:44:16] Lindsay: man's voice telling her that if she didn't do it now she would lose her chance or something like that [00:44:24] Speaker 1: and did she also tell you that she had had a moment of psychosis I don't recall did she mention the children at all during that call I don't think so not directly had she ever mentioned psychosis to you before no I didn't know what psychosis was until after [00:44:57] Lindsay: this happened did she ever tell you she was hearing a man's voice before no then we [00:45:01] Speaker 3: tell you she was hearing a man's voice before. No. I may have a moment your. Sure. I have no further questions for this witness. I just have exhibits. I see just briefly. Sidebar. [00:45:31] Speaker ?: Sidebar. Sidebar. Sidebar. Sidebar. Sidebar. Sidebar. Sidebar. [00:46:21] Speaker 1: Sidebar. [00:46:31] Speaker 3: The witness could be excused to be excused subject to recall at a later point today. Thank you, sir. [00:46:47] Speaker 1: I come off at this point. I would move to submit some evidence. First. Would be the clothing. Cora Clancy was wearing the night of January 24th, 2023. First, the pajama pants. First, the pajama pants. First, the pajama shirt. First, the pajama shirt. [00:47:58] Speaker ?: First, the pajama shirt. [00:48:08] Speaker 1: And then the pink robe. We could have these marked as one exhibit. [00:48:25] Speaker 3: They may be admitted. Thank you. [00:48:37] Speaker 1: And then Dawson's clothing. We have dinosaur underwear for the record. And a gray t-shirt, or shirt, long-sleeved shirt. Can you help us as the next exhibit, please? [00:49:16] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. [00:49:18] Speaker 1: And then Helen's pajamas. [00:49:33] Speaker ?: That's the next exhibit, please. That may be admitted. [00:49:42] Speaker 1: That's the next exhibit, please. [00:49:47] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. [00:49:49] Speaker ?: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted. Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted. Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted. Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted. [00:50:04] Speaker 1: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted. Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:08] Speaker ?: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:11] Speaker 1: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:13] Speaker 3: That may be admitted. Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:15] Speaker ?: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted. Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted. Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted. Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:28] Speaker 1: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:47] Speaker ?: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:49] Speaker 1: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:54] Speaker ?: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:50:58] Speaker 1: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:51:00] Speaker ?: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:51:00] Speaker 1: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:51:01] Speaker 3: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? [00:51:03] Speaker ?: Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? Can I have this as the next exhibit, please? That may be admitted? Your honor, we would ask that the 911 call be played. Your honor, we would ask that the 911 call be played. [00:51:12] Speaker 1: All right. All right. All right. [00:51:15] Speaker 3: Members of the jury, I just kind of wanted to give you -- all right. Sometimes in a trial, evidence is introduced that produces and jurors an emotional response. For example, it's understandable to feel sympathy and empathy when you hear or see certain evidence. And so -- but as jurors who have taken an oath to follow the law, I'm instructing you that the law says you must separate any emotional reaction on your part from the informational value and weight of the evidence. You must not be influenced in any way by the unpleasant nature of some of the evidence, including testimony, including exhibits. And so you must find the facts in this case based only on the evidence. And so you can't find facts or base your decision on sympathy, anger, passion or prejudice or pity for or against either side. Rather, your verdict must be based solely on the evidence that is introduced in this case and my instructions and any other limiting instructions. And I'll go into that, but I just kind of wanted to remind you of that as we go through this. All right. At this point, we're going to play the exhibit, which is, I believe, the 911 call. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. I want to remind everyone that there is a order entered by the court regarding this matter. It's not to be recorded. It's not to be broadcast. And it's not to be reproduced in any way. Subject to any sanctions that would go along with the violation of that court. So I just kind of remind everybody that order applies to the media and applies to the public. So I just kind of wanted to remind everybody in regards to that. So with that, Kamal? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:53:28] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [01:00:56] Speaker 3: We'll be in recess at this time. [01:01:16] Speaker ?: Thank you. [01:01:16] Speaker 3: All rise. [01:01:26] Speaker 1: Thank you. [01:01:56] Speaker ?: Thank you.