FAA ground stop: Airspace reopened, Duffy, Mullin explain data outage

[0:02] well good to see you guys again and welcome to friday the 13th right um you know i i want to [0:09] make sure everybody understands that there is no connection between this and microsoft [0:16] i know a lot of people are making that jump uh this is um so far what we've seen there is actually [0:23] no um cyber attack we're still working through that process our teams are working this is what [0:33] um the leadership of president trump looks like by the organization and the team he's put together [0:40] we're built to handle crisis like this and that's exactly what we're doing we're moving at a [0:48] unprecedented pace as a whole of government to make sure that um we are doing the the public [0:56] justice by making sure everybody is safe which everybody is uh we are working with uh with the [1:03] airports with the communities with the cities the states to make sure those passengers that may find [1:09] themselves in need fema has activated their centers to make sure that there's no medication that is being [1:17] missed if it is we're going to have people for them to reach out to the airport has got a direct number [1:24] to reach out to us we can provide that medication for them working through the state so right now [1:32] things seem to be working as we can say in the right direction as you can see to uh to my right i have [1:42] secretary sean duffy who is here to provide the update on fema where we're at and where we're going [1:50] once sean is completed with this update then we will be happy to take take questions from everybody [1:57] i just want to reiterate this the public was never at danger through this process [2:04] there was there was never any lives at risk there was no flights at risk faa was able to handle it [2:14] we did it out of an abundant of caution but i do understand the internet traffic and where all these [2:21] conspiracies start running towards i just can't say this enough all your loved ones are safe we are [2:28] working to resolve the issue and we hope to have operations up and going at normal at some point so [2:35] with that i'll turn it over to secretary duffy thank you mark wayne and uh good night to everybody uh first [2:43] want to thank you for uh your partnership and assistance uh mark wayne uh it's been great uh [2:49] stephen miller put together all of the intelligence assets of the white house uh we were in multiple [2:55] times talking to the president about what was happening in the airspace uh complete engagement by [3:01] president trump's team uh so just i want to walk through what happened today so at 3 36 p.m we experienced [3:09] instability for our radar and our communications and our centers and our tray cons across uh the [3:15] country so if you don't know this at airports we have towers the next rung out is a tray con [3:21] after that we have en route centers the tray cons and the centers we started to have inconsistency in [3:27] the data from the radars and our communication with uh with airplanes and we have procedures for [3:33] this our pilots are well trained our air traffic controllers are well trained and at that point [3:38] we issued a ground stop we had over 3 500 airplanes in the air they all engaged and last time i looked [3:45] we had less than uh 400 in the airspace uh as they were all coming into safely land and we navigated it [3:52] with uh our well-known procedures uh that uh that we have when these incidents happen i'm going to talk [3:59] about where we're at now but before i do that uh when we shut down the airspace oftentimes there are [4:04] critical movements that have to take place whether it's medevac uh there's cargo operations that are [4:09] moving critical medicines that save people's lives we didn't lose all telecom we didn't lose all radar [4:15] but that instability because of abundance of caution and making sure we keep the american flyer safe [4:20] we did the ground stop but we were going to allow those life-saving uh movements to still occur as [4:26] well as with law enforcement as well so what happened right i've heard a lot of the rumors like mark wayne [4:32] has uh but what we have is an incredibly old air traffic control system i think every single one of [4:40] your networks have covered the president and myself talking about this for the last two years the [4:46] president for the last year has been asking congress to fully fund uh a full build of a brand new air [4:53] traffic control system so we have tdm uh telecom so this is analog telecom our switches uh our routers [5:02] actually got overloaded with data and they went down and uh i shouldn't say they went down they [5:08] started to give us inconsistency in the data uh from those uh from those routers and because of that [5:14] we shut the system down now i i have already replaced some of those switches with president trump [5:20] and our new ip switches did not go down it's the old hardware uh that went down and i think the question [5:27] for the american people is do you want your congress to fund this president trump has asked for the money [5:35] he's asked the congress on a bipartisan uh approach to say give us the resources to build a state-of-the-art [5:42] air traffic control system let's not do a patchwork uh a fix to a system that's critical for every single [5:50] family it's not red it's not blue it's not democrat it's not republican it's american give us the money [5:55] to fix it now if you look to the past administrations going back 25 years uh 15 billion dollars has been [6:03] given to the faa to fix this air traffic control system and guess what barely anything was done we [6:10] had a down payment uh president trump asked for it in the uh one big beautiful bill of 12 and a half [6:15] billion dollars we are building in that 12 and a half billion dollars that portion of the build will [6:21] be done by the time president trump leaves office we are moving at a speed that has never uh been seen [6:27] before with regard to the faa but uh that's a partial funding i think america demands that the congress [6:34] give the rest of the resources to finish the bill um and i think the congress at a point [6:43] looked to the history of the faa and said we don't trust you well with president trump and what we've [6:48] done i think they do trust because what we've done with that first tranche of money and so uh with a [6:56] brand new state-of-the-art system you won't have these outages so what you experience today but you [7:00] can think back many of you covered the story from a year and a half ago we had outages in newark [7:05] multiple outages in newark this is a continual problem that we have um and it should be fixed [7:11] um and so what we want to do um i've asked the president's asked for 30 billion dollars i want [7:18] 50 billion dollars and by the way if you look at how much money congressman's peter you've covered [7:23] congress they they waste a lot of money what's more important than having an air traffic control [7:28] system that actually works and so the president said you know what let's finish this job new hardware [7:35] new software new telecommunication uh many of our towers are almost 100 years old uh our our air [7:43] traffic controllers have leaky roofs air conditioning that doesn't work they're high in the air their [7:47] elevators don't work their roofs leak um i want new towers uh we should also invest in many of the [7:53] airports around the country uh that frankly many of them are embarrassing let's get the money let's [7:59] invest so we never have to come at 8 30 at night and have a press conference on why air travel was [8:07] shut down why we have tens of thousands of people in airports uh separated from their families uh without [8:13] um with without uh any knowledge of where they're going to sleep tonight now you probably picked up that [8:18] uh we how we've identified the problem we've got our centers and our trade cons operational right now [8:25] and so at 8 15 tonight uh eastern time we've opened up the airspace now does that mean every flight is [8:31] going to fly right now it's going to be slow right so if if you're watching you're at an airport um check [8:38] with your airline uh it depends on do we have crews available do we have pilots and flight attendants [8:44] available to fly your flight we're going to try to move as many of those as we can tonight if we have [8:49] the capacity with crews to to move those flights if not we're going to start tomorrow morning with our [8:55] airline partners um moving those aircraft but it's going to take us some time to unwind what's [9:00] happened uh this afternoon uh finally with general aviation uh if we have uh aircraft that's moving [9:10] six people uh that's that's a lower priority but this weekend we we have movements of of aircraft that uh [9:17] our general aviation that might have uh 60 80 100 people on those aircraft we are going to give those [9:24] aircraft a priority uh so hopefully tomorrow we are going to start to see a far better movement but [9:31] um i'm going to we'll take your questions this is an emergency this is an emergency i want congress to [9:38] give us emergency funding this is bipartisan this is american i want 50 billion dollars president trump [9:45] is a builder he's going to build this network um and deliver for the american people but the president [9:50] can't deliver for america unless the congress delivers the money to make it happen um so with [9:56] that we're happy to take your questions uh peter secretary duffy what you're describing routers [10:02] overloaded with data that then start to show instability that sounds like something that could be [10:09] caused by a cyber attack can you say with 100 certainty that this was not caused by a cyber attack or a rogue ai [10:17] i'm going to give this to mark wayne all right we are there's nothing completely certain right now it [10:25] doesn't appear that way we are um we've activated our teams this is what department of whole land [10:30] security is all about this is why we're stood up uh to have the continuity of government to bring all [10:36] the resources together in an emergency like this this is exactly what this is this is a national [10:41] emergency um we have all of our assets be it from dow to cissa uh to all of our knocks uh then all the [10:49] other components we have inside of dhs uh nsa is working with us there is nothing that indicates it [10:56] yet now when we start looking at cyber threats cyber attacks typically some people is going to raise [11:02] their hand up and say hey we did that there's no chatter um we haven't seen any any footprints as you [11:09] would say or or or uh identifications of people that got into the system it appears that this was [11:18] mechanically driven however we're still looking so we're not going to roll that out i want to hit [11:23] back on to what secretary duffy said with the with the funding this is a national security risk we just saw [11:32] what took place when we have vulnerabilities and we have old systems the president has declared this a [11:37] national emergency and now we have to have congress act and fund it this is vitally important that we [11:46] get this system built the president has said this secretary duffy has said this multiple times our air [11:51] traffic control system is outdated and it hasn't been a priority from congress and so it this is this is [11:57] what happens when congress kicks the can down the road but so when you say that you haven't seen [12:03] footprints suggesting a cyber attack and nobody's taking credit for a cyber attack have you seen [12:08] any evidence specifically can you tell people who are watching we have seen we have seen zero evidence [12:14] we've seen zero evidence uh that this was that this was a cyber attack or uh si attack so then it must be [12:22] something else what is the other thing what caused the instability so it's very easy we have old [12:30] uh old switches old routers we use uh 1980s uh little copper lines it's an old system that went down [12:40] and went down everywhere it got overloaded so so uh what here right now we've opened up the airspace [12:48] we've got our centers and our tray cons operational uh it would be much and i don't want to rule out that [12:53] we didn't have nefarious activity here that's mark wayne and the uh cyber security team that works with us [13:00] we were able to uh deploy fixes to reduce the overloading on our on our um on our switches [13:09] that we're able to bring the networks back online and our tray cons and our centers back online so i think [13:15] our fix gives us a pretty good indication that it was a legacy uh network problem that went down and by [13:23] the way all of the new equipment that we put in none of that went down this is all the old legacy [13:28] equipment that's existed forever by the way none of your networks run on 1980 technology [13:34] you all got fiber state-of-the-art high-speed networks that that cover all of your stations [13:41] but not the faa i think the american people deserve the same same kind of network that you all use the [13:47] same kind of connectivity and speed that you all use that's what we're asking the congress to give us [13:51] one question for each of you mr molin are you able to completely rule out forward interference [13:59] and then mr duffy you're talking about old systems being to blame here the ground stop is lifted but [14:05] this is not going to get fixed overnight thousands of flights have been delayed thousands of flights [14:09] have been cancelled how can you assure the american people that it is going to be safe to fly and how long [14:16] is it going to take for flights to be fully operational and back to normal so let's talk [14:20] about the cyber security once again we're still looking at it we're not uh ruling out anything what it [14:26] appears to be right now is as secretary duffy and faa was going in and putting patches into the system [14:33] they were putting new equipment um and uh new technology and that new equipment new technology just [14:43] wasn't it was overwhelming the older system which is why secretary duffy made it very clear [14:49] the patchwork doesn't work we need one complete system we need someone to come in and build the [14:55] whole system doing it nickel and diamond together does not work this is what happens when that takes [15:00] place that's why the president has made it very clear we can't do this it has to be a complete [15:06] overhaul of the system which we estimate to be about 50 billion dollars however out of abundance [15:12] a caution we are still going to do everything we can to rule it out if that changes we will let you [15:20] know but it doesn't appear right now that that was that this was anything to do but with technology [15:25] so to answer your question this is not going to get done overnight you're right um but when do you want [15:29] to start it america when do you want to start building a brand new system uh well you have you have [15:35] a team with president trump that actually is building it right now but we don't have full funding and so i think [15:42] there's no better time than the present to actually give us the money and let us finish the build what [15:48] went down was old right it was the old legacy equipment it failed and listen it's going to [15:55] continue to fail but my number one job is america's safety that is my that is that is that is that is my [16:02] that is my first charge and so if you look at what happened today we had a failure uh and what happened [16:09] we effectively and safely got aircraft out of the airspace right and sometimes people will complain [16:16] why did you shut the airspace down and some we just had an incident a couple uh a couple months [16:20] ago in new york where that system went down there's a telecom issue we will shut the system down i want [16:26] you to fly safely if you miss your if you miss a baseball game you miss a wedding i care about you [16:32] getting there um uh in uh without any harm and so uh again this is a time you have a builder president [16:40] we can play politics by the way play politics all you want on all kinds of issues that's great and [16:45] there's a lot of issues to play politics on this is not one of those issues this is an american issue [16:49] an american build with an american president that knows how to do it [16:53] that's a great question um so i i believe that it's going to take us uh some time to [17:09] get back uh to capacity and and then get people who uh were disrupted over the course of the last [17:16] eight hours to get them back to their destination so we're going to have some makeup to do i would [17:21] imagine a lot of my kids are flying next friday back from college i imagine that's when a lot [17:25] of kids are flying and everyone starts their thanksgiving travel which by the way is a very [17:29] busy time for travelers i think we're going to be back up and operational uh as we come into the to [17:35] the heat um of travel during thanksgiving and one more is it uh earlier you mentioned medical flights [17:40] organ transplants are still being flown across the country yes we don't we don't stop those because [17:45] because it wasn't a complete outage it was just we were getting um varying degrees of of of um of [17:53] our inputs from radar and from uh from uh from telecom we were able to still fly those flights safely [17:59] and we understand uh people's lives are in the in basically in the hands of these flights being able [18:05] to get from point a to point b so we were allowing those to go as well as law enforcement [18:09] and separate the tanker riverboat crash today down in new orleans i mean uh terrible i'm sure you saw [18:14] the video do you have any idea how that happened and that tanker runs right to the side of it what [18:19] are you learning that's the coast guard yeah um this looks like it was a engineer um major internet [18:26] engineering uh defect that took place uh during either they hit the bridge or something something [18:33] um caused the ripple effect i do want to announce though um by the grace of god we have not lost one [18:41] soul uh there was 195 souls on on board all 195 souls are accounted for 32 um are at the hospital [18:51] we're still in various conditions but my last report was there was no um um critical conditions that [18:59] was taking place so just a just an absolute uh miracle there but once again not connected at all [19:07] that was that was something that took place mr secretary in the run-up you know mr security you [19:15] are having a war against iran was there any input at all uh beyond this incident that there were [19:21] iranian elements or any other elements who may be no we're not we're not we're not seeing that [19:26] we're not seeing that at all yes thank you guys for your coordination about this emergency um speaking [19:30] of college of which industry that relies on travel to begin is college football have you guys been in [19:35] communication with these universities and do you plan to implement any sort of coordination there [19:40] yeah so uh as i mentioned we're going to allow for general aviation those uh larger movements to take [19:45] place as a priority smaller movements uh will will take a lower priority and so if you talk about [19:51] football teams moving uh many of those are on charters and there's a lot of individuals on those [19:56] charter planes so i would encourage those football teams to reach out to the faa uh to schedule their [20:02] flight times and make sure they can uh move to uh make sure we have games going off um tomorrow [20:13] thank you cameron from town hall has there been any communication with the major commercial airlines [20:18] and then can you just clarify what rights do passengers have right now i know you mentioned fema [20:22] but what other rights yeah so uh we are in communication with uh all of our airline partners [20:28] uh we're making them aware as soon as we can with what the issues are right because they're also [20:32] concerned was this cyber what what took place where we had a ground stop um and one mark wayne and our uh [20:40] and our airlines are navigating the passengers uh who are stranded in airports uh but we work fully with [20:46] them uh as we come back online and what what planes um we can move uh as quickly as possible to get [20:53] people to their final destinations uh and this is one of those scenarios where this is not the fault of [20:58] the airline right this is again there's i'm happy to blame the airlines i'm happy to blame the weather [21:04] but i'm also happy to take the blame when it's with uh the faa and air traffic control and this is [21:10] a legacy system problem that took place tonight and um we have to handle it accordingly thank you sir [21:19] just describe how this manifested in the air today were airplanes still able to communicate with air [21:25] traffic controllers how did it specifically impact that and separately do you have any sort of an [21:30] estimate at this point of the economic impact of this stoppage and where that goes from here so uh we had [21:37] intermittent communication and intermittent uh radar and which is why we then shut the airspace down so [21:44] it wasn't a complete uh blackout in communication or radar uh so we were able to keep some of those [21:50] communications going but when you when you have issues and you can't immediately communicate and [21:55] immediately see where aircraft are at that's a risk that we're unwilling to tolerate in regard to [22:00] economic consequences of what happened today it's i think it underscores how important aviation is to [22:05] our economy we haven't done a calculation uh we've been i got off and i was on the airplane an airplane [22:10] from dallas when this happened hence my attire um and haven't gone to change so i apologize for [22:16] wearing a jacket and jeans with you um there'll be time to do an economic analysis but this is critical [22:22] for the american economy which is why the congress i'm going to say it a million times the congress has to [22:28] give the resources to the president so we can finish this bill just to be clear to follow up that [22:35] means there were times when airplanes and air traffic controllers were not communicating with [22:39] each other at all so that can happen yes and what happened we have we have a big safety risk [22:44] well we have emergency procedures in place if this happens pilots know what to do and air traffic [22:50] controllers know what to do um and whether it's systems on airplanes that are still operational [22:55] it's still communication uh though not um not consistent we're able to navigate the airspace and as [23:03] you saw today we systematically but slowly brought down 3 500 plus aircraft um safely across the [23:11] national airspace which i want to give credit to the pilots and to our air traffic controllers [23:15] uh who are very well trained and know how to navigate this situation are you saying that it was the faa [23:21] patching a system that caused this outage is that something that's happening constantly so yeah that's [23:29] so i want to clarify that um this is our old tdm analog system that uh got overloaded with data and started [23:41] to experience these issues and it was in our tray cons and our centers throughout the nas now we do have [23:46] some uh in our tray cons and centers that have been upgraded to um to digital uh to ip those did not [23:55] experience these issues which underscores the point it's important that we're able to finish this work [24:01] with additional resources be confident that this vulnerability won't be an issue again in the coming [24:07] weeks if what today took place happened and it's still this is a great question so listen um i can't [24:14] i can't build things if i don't have money like this is this is this is a great question that you ask [24:19] how can america be confident well we do everything whether we have the we have the busiest airspace in [24:24] the world bar none we have the safest airspace in the world bar none no one competes with us [24:29] on safety or complication of the airspace but if you ask the question what should we do well we should [24:35] talk to our senators and our members of congress to say we don't we don't deserve this america this is [24:40] the greatest country by the way with the greatest president let's give the money to fix this very real [24:45] problem and this is not the first time we had this happen in new york when we had all global leaders [24:51] were flying in for the u.n we had a similar issue we had an issue in in newark it happened twice how [24:58] many times does this have to happen before congress gives the money to fix it for almost two years now [25:06] sir so why hasn't this been a bigger priority for the president republicans controlled both chambers [25:11] of congress and still do what would that work let me see so maybe you haven't covered the um hundred [25:18] plus press conferences that i've done on this issue uh that have been uh led by the president uh but i [25:25] know fox has peters secured the story i know many of you have covered the story about the president's [25:30] ask and my ask to get the money right and so i i identify i i identify well because the congress [25:37] has to give it to us right and you need it you need it well oftentimes it's a great point oftentimes [25:43] you need um uh a bipartisan vote right so i did get partial funding through one big beautiful bill [25:50] i got 12 and a half billion and with that money we are we are we are spending it and spending it well [25:57] but the congress at the time knew that um that was not going to be enough by the way i i this is [26:03] bipartisan but on that bill i didn't have democrats that voted for it we now have an opportunity in an [26:09] emergency funding bill before the end of the year to give the money and i think the question should be [26:13] from nbc to every member do you support actually modernizing making a state of the art air traffic [26:20] control system and it's going to take us some time i can't snap my fingers and build a network overnight [26:26] but do you want us to build this for america and i think every member of congress should say yes but [26:31] every american i guarantee you would tell those members yes give president trump give duffy the [26:37] money let them finish this job so we don't have to do a press conference at 8 30 at night ever again [26:44] sir by you're building the new system is it safe to fly what how we know this isn't going to happen [26:50] again tomorrow when you bring in new patches so so this is this is the safest system in the world [26:56] and by the way it hasn't been done in the past because it is complicated this is i don't want to [27:00] uh lie to anybody this is what we're doing is hard and it hasn't happened in the past because it is [27:05] hard but i'll tell you by doing nothing you inject way more risk into the system right to use 1980s [27:13] technology 1990s software um to use 1970s radar that we don't make parts for anymore uh to have an old [27:24] network an old network configuration uh from the 80s versus re-networking uh the air traffic control [27:31] system through the faa i believe that should be a priority and we do our number one our number one [27:37] mission when we do any of this is safety but if you do nothing the system doesn't get more safe [27:44] it gets less safe and so i would say america congress let's make this system more safe let's [27:51] continue to lead that we led the world in aviation we let it in the jet age we've led in space let's [27:57] continue to lead with a state of the art a system that no one has that's the best in the world but [28:03] that takes cash of the old and what kind of ins and outs there why wasn't the agency prepared for some [28:13] kind of catastrophic failure like it's on today well i can't anticipate every catastrophic failure that [28:19] will have that will happen with a tdm network with an analog network shouldn't there have been a [28:24] backup plan in place in case this network failed you knew it was an old system you were trying to [28:28] replace to keep people in the air so uh i didn't anticipate that we would have an outage like this [28:36] we've had small outages that i've mentioned previously um we didn't think we would have this kind of [28:42] outage uh we did and what i would tell you is the systems that were deployed kept everybody safe [28:49] everyone landed we're able to review what went wrong and then reboot the system and go but uh you will [28:56] have more of these you will have more of them unless you the american people in the congress tell us to [29:03] build and i can't wait for that it's the priority for president trump why have we not heard from him at [29:08] all on this issue says it happened oh well i the two of us have talked to him he is he is in i've [29:14] talked on the phone i've talked to him in to in the in the oval so is mark wayne um oh i don't run [29:20] the president's comms i just know that mark wayne and i are going to come out and talk to you about [29:23] it but i know he's fully engaged because he has communicated with the both of us multiple times uh from [29:29] the point that it happened uh to moments before i came out i was in constant communication mark wayne and [29:35] i were in the oval with him which by the way i appreciate his leadership and what's he what's [29:39] just unique about the president is he loves aviation um he loves the airspace and which is [29:45] why he has been so engaged on this um he understands it very well and he he's he's been frustrated from [29:51] my first before i actually was sworn in he was talking about how old the system is how past [29:57] administrations had failed and how he wants to fix the air traffic control system in america and [30:02] deliver the best in the world and uh it takes the president's leadership like president trump [30:07] to make sure we can ask the congress and get the money and give the deliverables thank you mr [30:13] secretary i'm curious i don't think we have clarity yet what was different about today specifically the [30:17] system has been in place for a long time why did today the system go out and can you give more [30:23] clarity you're saying this will happen again should americans feel safe when they fly if these [30:28] are still possible in what kind of vintage you'll have it happen again i don't know [30:32] right is this exact thing going to happen again i don't i don't know that this exact scenario will [30:37] happen but i did have new york a couple months ago i had new work a year and a half ago um so uh [30:45] we're still working on the details of what went wrong today uh i'll be happy to give you more [30:50] information when we have it i don't want to give you the wrong information our team is working overtime [30:56] uh trying to navigate uh what what happened here what was the cause and how do we prevent it in [31:03] in the future should similar situations arise so as i mentioned this is all the old legacy equipment [31:15] all of the new equipment that's been deployed did not go down our smart system which is a system that [31:20] we have a feed for the whole airspace that's going to help us better manage trajectories of airplanes and [31:25] better manage weather uh so we can one drive safety in the airspace and drive efficiency in the airspace [31:33] but that smart system isn't plugged in uh to stars and e-ram uh it's not this is this is completely [31:40] disconnected and i love that some people have said this would be the root cause by the way if it was [31:44] i'll tell i'll tell you that but uh this is not even plugged in what this does is gives information [31:50] um from the airspace to a human being and gives them a prompt on how they could better navigate [31:56] weather or trajectories then the human being will actually decide to accept or deny that prompt so [32:01] we're not even tied in so there's no possible way smart would have impacted what happened today [32:07] you said today that there was no one in any danger i'm curious for people who are frustrated right now [32:12] about the fact that their flight's been delayed or canceled why was there a ground stop put in place for [32:16] five hours if no one was in any danger well let me let me explain that one very easy uh no one was in [32:23] danger because procedures we put in place the system went down we reacted the way that we were trained to [32:29] react uh and everybody came together president trump immediately had had people in his office we were [32:35] communicating uh secretary duffy the faa took immediate actions that they had put in place uh to to [32:42] assure everybody was safe and that's why you saw we had as secretary duffy had said we had over [32:49] 3 000 flights in the air we had a ground stoppage and they were all able to land safely even with the [32:55] communication problems and i just can't speak enough about president trump's leadership this is what [33:01] president trump does he puts leaders in place um and he allows them to lead uh to even ask you know [33:09] why is the president not talking it's because he's allowed secretary duffy and us to go out there and [33:15] explain to you what took place president trump trump's trust trust his leadership and that's why we really [33:22] lean in towards his leadership and when secretary duffy said he's the greatest president we've had you've [33:28] never had a builder and a leader like president trump lead this nation have a vision and put the put the [33:34] a team together um thank you guys so much appreciate it