Democratic Presidential Debate - June 27 (Full) — NBC News

[0:01] good evening i'm lester holt and welcome to night two of the first democratic debate in the 2020 [0:06] race for president good evening i'm savannah guthrie last night we heard from 10 candidates [0:10] and now 10 more take the stage and again tonight we'll be joined to the questioning by our colleagues [0:15] jose diaz boulart chuck todd and rachel maddow the candidates are in position so let's get started [0:22] tonight round two colorado senator michael bennett former vice president joe biden south [0:28] bend indiana mayor pete buddha judge new york senator kirsten gillibrand california senator [0:35] kamala harris former colorado governor john hickenlooper vermont senator bernie sanders [0:41] california congressman eric swalwell author marianne williamson and former tech executive andrew yang [0:49] from nbc news decision 2020 the democratic candidates debate live from the adrian arts performing arts [0:58] center in miami florida we continue this spirited debate about the future of the country how to [1:26] tackle our most pressing problems and getting to the heart of the biggest issues in this democratic [1:31] primary tonight we're going to talk about health care immigration we're also going to dive into the [1:35] economy jobs climate change as well and some quick rules of the road before we begin and they may sound [1:41] familiar 20 candidates qualified for this first debate as we said we heard from 10 last night and [1:47] we'll hear from 10 more tonight the breakdown for each night was selected at random the candidates [1:52] will have 60 seconds to answer 30 seconds for any follow-ups and because of the large field of candidates [1:58] not every person is going to be able to weigh in on every topic but over the course of the next two hours [2:04] we will hear from everyone and we love our audience but we'd like to ask them to keep their reactions to [2:10] a minimum and we're not going to hold back and making sure the candidates stick to time so with that [2:15] business take care taken care of let's get to it and we're going to start today with senator sanders good [2:21] evening to you you've called for big new government benefits like universal health care and free college [2:28] in a recent interview you said you suspected that americans would be quote delighted to pay more taxes for [2:34] things like that my question to you is will taxes go up for the middle class in a sanders administration [2:41] and if so how do you sell that to voters well you're quite right we have a new vision for america [2:48] and at a time when we have three people in this country owning more wealth than the bottom half of america [2:55] while 500 000 people are sleeping out on the streets today we think it is time for change real change [3:03] and by that i mean that health care in my view is a human right and we have got to pass a medicare for [3:12] all single-payer system under that system by the way vast majority of the people in this country will [3:21] be paying significantly less for health care than they are right now i believe that education is the [3:28] future for this country and that is why i believe that we must make public colleges and universities [3:35] tuition free and eliminate student debt and we do that by placing a tax on wall street every proposal [3:46] that i have brought forth is fully paid for senator sanders i'll give you 10 seconds just to ask the [3:52] answer the very direct question will you raise taxes for the middle class in the sanders administration [3:59] people who have health care under medicare for all will have no premiums [4:03] no deductibles no copayments no out of exp out of pocket expenses yes they will pay more in taxes [4:10] but less in health care for what they get thank you senator senator bennett we're going to get to [4:17] everybody i promise but let me just senator biden promise everybody's going to get in here promise [4:24] vice president biden senator sanders as you know has been calling for a revolution [4:29] recently in remarks to a group of wealthy donors as you were speaking about the problem [4:33] of income inequality in this country you said we shouldn't quote demonize the rich you said nobody [4:39] has to be punished no one's standard of living would change nothing would fundamentally change [4:44] what did you mean by that what i meant by that is look donald trump thinks wall street build america [4:50] ordinary middle class americans build america my dad used to have an expression he said joe a job is about [4:56] a lot more than a paycheck it's about your dignity it's about respect it's being able to look your kid in the [5:01] eye and say everything's going to be okay too many people who are in the middle class and poor have [5:06] had the bottom fall out under this proposal what i'm saying is that we've got to be straightforward [5:12] we have to make sure we understand that to return dignity to the middle class they have to have [5:17] insurance that is covered and they can afford it they have to make sure that we're in a situation where [5:23] there's continuing education and they're able to pay for it and they have to make sure that they're [5:27] able to breathe air that is is clean and they they have water that they can drink look donald trump [5:33] has put us in a horrible situation we do have enormous income inequality and the one thing i agree [5:39] on is we can make massive cuts in the 1.6 trillion dollars in tax loopholes out there and i would be [5:46] going about eliminating donald trump's tax cuts for the wealthy vice president biden thank you senator [5:52] harris there's a lot of talk in this primary about new government benefits such as student loan [6:00] cancellation free college health care and more do you think that democrats have a responsibility [6:06] to explain how they will pay for every proposal they make along those lines well let me tell you [6:12] something i i hear that question but where was that question when the republicans and donald trump [6:18] passed a tax bill that benefits the top one percent and the biggest corporations in this country [6:24] contributing at least a one trillion dollars to the debt of america which middle class families will [6:30] pay for one way or another working families need support and need to be lifted up and frankly this [6:36] economy is not working for working people for too long the rules have been written in the favor of the [6:42] people who have the most and not in favor of the people who work the most which is why i am proposing [6:48] that we change the tax code so for every family that is making less than a hundred thousand dollars a [6:54] year they will receive a tax credit that they can collect at 500 a month which will make all the [6:59] difference between those families being able to get through the end of the month with dignity and with [7:03] support or not and on day one i will repeal that tax bill that benefits the top one percent and the [7:08] biggest corporations of america get you in on this you've warned that democrats will lose in 2020 if they [7:18] embrace socialism as you put it you were booed at the california democratic convention when you said [7:24] that only one candidate on this stage senator sanders identifies himself as a democratic socialist [7:31] what are the policies or positions of your opponents that you think are veering towards socialism well i [7:37] think that the bottom line is if we don't clearly define that we are not socialists the republicans are [7:43] going to come at us every way they can and and call us socialists and if you look at the green new deal [7:50] which i admire the sense of urgency and how important it is to do climate change i'm a scientist but we [7:55] can't promise every american a government job if you want to get universal health care coverage i believe [8:00] that health care is a right and not a privilege but you can't expect to eliminate private insurance [8:06] for 180 million people many of whom don't want to give it up in colorado we brought businesses and [8:12] non-profits together we got near universal health care coverage we were the first state in america to [8:18] to bring the environmental community and the oil and gas industry to address aggressively address [8:22] methane emissions and we were also the first place to to expand reproductive rights on a scale basis and we [8:29] reduced teen pregnancy by 54 percent we've done the big progressive things that people said couldn't be [8:34] done i've done what pretty much everyone else up here is still talking about doing all right governor thank [8:40] you senator sanders i'll give you a chance to to weigh in here what is your response to those who say [8:45] nominating a socialist would re-elect donald trump well i think the responses at the polls last poll [8:53] i saw had as 10 points ahead of donald trump because the american people understand that trump is a phony [9:02] that trump is a pathological liar and a racist and that he lied to the american people during his campaign [9:12] he said he was going to stand up for working families well president trump you're not standing [9:17] up for working families when you try to throw 32 million people off the health care that they have [9:23] and then 83 of your tax benefits go to the top one percent that's how we beat trump we expose him for [9:31] the fraud that he is perspectives the debate we're having in our party right now is confusing because the [9:44] truth is there's a big difference between capitalism on the one hand and greed on the other and so all [9:51] the things that we're trying to change is when companies care more about profits when they do about [9:57] people so if you're talking about ending gun violence it's the greed of the nra and the gun manufacturers [10:04] that make any progress impossible it's the greed of the insurance companies and the drug companies when [10:10] we want to try to get health care as a right and not a privilege so there need not be disagreement in [10:15] the party because in truth we want healthy capitalism we don't want corrupted capitalism [10:20] thank you i want to be fair to all the candidates thank you senator bennett you have said quote it's [10:26] possible to write policy proposals that have no basis in reality you might as well call them candy [10:32] were you referring to any candidate or proposal in particular when you said that [10:36] was that directed to me yes that was that sounded like me thank you it was you i appreciate it um [10:42] well look first of all i agree completely with bernie about what the fundamental challenge we're [10:47] facing as a country is 40 years of no economic growth for 90 of the american people 160 000 families [10:54] in the top 0.1 percent have the same wealth as the bottom 90 and we've got the worst in income [11:00] inequality that we've had in a hundred years where i disagree is on his solution on medicare for all [11:07] you know i i have proposed getting to universal health care which we need to do it is a right [11:11] health care is a right we need to get to universal health care i believe the way to do that is by [11:17] finishing the work we started with obamacare and creating a public option that every family and [11:23] every person in america can make a choice for their family about whether they want a public option [11:29] which for them would be like having medicare for all or whether they want to keep their private [11:33] insurance i believe we will get there much more quickly if we do that but bernie mentioned bernie [11:39] if i could just finish bernie mentioned that the taxes that we would have to pay because of those [11:44] taxes vermont rejected medicare for all senator senator senator please we are going to talk about [11:53] health care at length senator but for the moment my colleague thank you very much i wrote the part [11:59] in senator sanders bill i wrote the part in senator sanders's bill that is the transition which merges [12:05] what the two senators said because the truth is if you have a buy-in over a four or five year period [12:11] you move us to single payer more quickly senator we will get to this we will get to this before we do i [12:17] want to say hello and good evening what not just to uh mayor uh buddha judge many of your colleagues [12:27] on stage support free college you do not why not sure so college affordability is personal for us [12:35] chaston and i have six-figure student debt i believe in reducing student debt it's logical to me that if [12:41] you can refinance your house you ought to be able to refinance your student debt i also believe in free [12:46] college for low and middle income students for whom cost could be a barrier i just don't believe it [12:54] makes sense to ask working class families to subsidize even the children of billionaires i think [13:01] the children of the wealthiest americans can pay at least a little bit of tuition and while i want [13:05] tuition costs to go down i don't think we can buy down every last penny for them now there's something [13:10] else that doesn't get talked about in the college affordability debate yes it needs to be more [13:16] affordable in this country to go to college it also needs to be more affordable in this country to [13:20] not go to college you should be able to live well afford rent be generous to your church and little [13:27] league whether you went to college or not that's one of many reasons we need to raise the minimum [13:31] wage to at least fifteen dollars an hour i've got a hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt [13:35] myself let me get to you we can't count on the people who've been in government for the last 30 years [13:40] who were around when this problem was created to be the ones to solve it it's going to be the next [13:44] generation the 40 million of us who can't start a family can't take a good idea and start a business [13:49] and can't buy our first home this is the generation that's going to be able to solve student loan [13:54] debt this generation is ready to lead mr yang your signature policy is to give every adult in the [14:02] united states one thousand dollars a month no questions asked that's right uh i think that's like [14:08] 3.2 trillion dollars a year how would you do that sorry how would you do that oh so it's difficult [14:18] to do if you have companies like amazon trillion dollar tech companies paying literally zero in [14:22] taxes while they're closing 30 of our stores now we need to put the american people in position to [14:27] benefit from all these innovations and other parts of the economy and if we had a value-added tax even [14:32] half the european level it would generate over 800 billion in new revenue which combined with the [14:37] money in our hands it would be the trickle up economy from our people families and communities [14:41] up we would spend the money and it would circulate through our regional economies and neighborhoods [14:44] creating millions of jobs making our families stronger and healthier we'd save money on things [14:49] like incarceration homelessness services emergency room health care and just the value gains from [14:55] having a stronger healthier mentally healthier population would increase gdp by 700 billion dollars [15:01] this is the move that we have to make particularly as technology is now automating away millions of [15:06] american jobs it's why donald trump is our president today that we automated away 4 million [15:10] manufacturing jobs in michigan ohio and pennsylvania and wisconsin and we're about to do the [15:14] same thing to millions of retail jobs call center jobs fast food jobs truck driving jobs and on and [15:19] on through the economy sorry if i get you uh understand a little bit better so you're saying a [15:24] thousand dollars a month for everyone over 18 but a value-added tax so you can spend that thousand dollars [15:32] on value-added tax well the value-added tax would end up um you'd still be increasing the buying [15:39] power of the bottom 94 percent of americans you have to spend a lot of money for a mild value-added [15:44] tax to eat up twelve thousand dollars a year per individual so for the average family with two or [15:49] three adults it'd be 24 to 36 thousand dollars a year okay congressman so i want to talk a little [15:53] bit about what mr yang is talking about and you just actually mentioned many americans are worried [15:57] if things like self-driving cars robots drones artificial intelligence will cost them their jobs [16:04] what would you do to help people get the skills they need to adapt to this new world we must always [16:10] be a country where technology creates more jobs than it displaces and i've seen the anxiety across america [16:17] where the manufacturing floors go from a thousand to a hundred to one so we have to modernize our schools [16:24] value the teachers who prepare our kids wipe the student debt from any teacher that goes into a [16:28] community that needs it invest in america's communities especially where places where the [16:33] best exports are people who move away to get skills but jose i was six years old when a presidential [16:40] candidate came to the california democratic convention and said it's time to pass the torch [16:46] to a new generation of americans that candidate was then senator joe biden joe biden was right when [16:53] he said it was time to pass the torch to a new generation of americans 32 years ago he's still [16:57] right today if we're going to solve the issues of automation pass the torch we're going to solve the [17:03] issues of climate chaos pass the torch if we're going to solve the issue of student loan debt [17:07] pass the torch if we're going to end gun violence for families who are fearful of sending their kids [17:11] to school pass the torch vice president would you like to sing a torch i would i'm still holding on to [17:19] that torch i want to make it clear to you look the fact of the matter is we have to do is make [17:24] sure that everybody is prepared better to go on to educate for an education the fact is that that's [17:30] why i propose us focusing on schools that are in distress that's why i think we should triple the [17:35] amount of money we spend for title one schools that's why i think we should have universal pre-k [17:40] that's why i think every single person who graduates from high school 65 out of 100 now need something [17:47] beyond high school and we should provide for them to be able to get that education that's where there [17:51] should be free community college cutting in half the cost of college that's why we should be in a [17:56] position where we do not have anyone have to pay back a student debt when they get out they're making [18:01] less than 25 000 a year their debt is frozen no interest payment until they get beyond that we can't [18:08] put people in a position where they aren't able to go on and move on and so folks there's a lot we can do [18:14] but we have to make continuing education available for everyone so that everyone can compete in the 21st century [18:20] we're not doing that now senator says the youngest as the youngest guy on the stage i feel like i [18:25] probably ought to contribute to the generational conversation part of joe's generation i'm all [18:30] part of joe's generation let me respond before before we move on the issue if i may say that's [18:35] not generational let's please please the issue is not generational the issue is who has the guts to [18:43] take on wall street to take on the fossil fuel industry to take on [18:49] the big money interests who have unbelievable influence over the economic and political life [18:56] of this country these issues senator harris senator harris i'm so sorry we will let all of you speak [19:01] senator harris please we will let you all speak senator harris you can't afford to wait for evolution on [19:09] this issue okay guys you know what america does not want to witness a food fight they want to know how [19:14] we're going to put food on their table yes part of the issue that is at play in america today and [19:30] we've all been traveling around the country i certainly have i'm meeting people who are working [19:35] two and three jobs you know this president walks around talking about and flouting his great economy [19:40] right my great economy my great economy you ask him well how are you measuring this greatness of this [19:45] economy of yours and he talks about the stock market well that's fine if you own stocks so many [19:51] families in america do not you ask them how are you measuring the greatness of this economy of yours [19:56] and they point to the jobless numbers and the unemployment numbers well yeah people in america [20:00] are working they're working two and three jobs so when we talk about jobs let's be really clear in our [20:05] america no one should have to work more than one job to have a roof over their head and food on the table [20:11] thank you very much [20:12] we've always had an interest in talking about health care so let's let's let's talk about health care and [20:20] this is going to be a show of hands question we asked a question about health care last night that [20:24] spurred a lot of discussion as you know we're going to do it again now many people watching at home have [20:29] health insurance of their employer who here would abolish their private health insurance in favor of [20:36] a government-run plan all right christian jilliband senator jilliband so no it's my turn good so um [20:47] this is a very important issue so the plan that senator sanders and i and others support medicare for all [20:53] is how you get to single payer but it has a buy-in transition period which is really important [20:58] in 2005 when i ran for congress in a two to one republican district i actually ran on medicare for [21:05] all and i won that two to one republican district twice and the way i formulated it was simple anyone [21:11] who doesn't have access to insurance they like they could buy in a percentage of income they could [21:15] afford so that's what we put into the transition period for our medicare for all plan i believe we [21:21] need to get to universal health care as a right and not a privilege to single payer the quickest way [21:26] you get there is you create competition with the insurers god bless the insurers if they want to [21:31] compete they can certainly try but they've never put people over their profits and i doubt they ever [21:36] will so what will happen is people will choose medicare you will transition we will get to medicare for [21:42] all and then your step to single payer is so short i would make it an earned benefit just like social [21:48] security so that you buy in your whole life it is always there for you and it's permanent and it's [21:53] universal senator your time is out i want to put that same question to uh mayor buddhig yeah we've [21:58] taught look everybody who says medicare for all every person in politics who allows that phrase to escape [22:05] their lips has a responsibility to explain how you're actually supposed to get from here to there [22:11] now here's how i would do it it's very similar i would call it medicare for all who want it you [22:17] take something like medicare a flavor of that you make it available on the exchanges people can buy [22:22] in and then if people like us are right that that will be not only a more inclusive plan but a more [22:27] efficient plan than any of the corporate answers out there then it will be a very natural glide path [22:31] to the single-payer environment but let's remember even in countries that have outright socialized [22:36] medicine like england even there there's still a private sector that's fine it's just that for our [22:41] primary care we can't be relying on the tender mercies of the corporate system this one's very personal [22:46] for me i started out this year dealing with the terminal illness of my father i make decisions [22:51] for a living and nothing could have prepared me for the kind of decisions our family faced but the [22:55] thing we had going for us was that we never had to make those decisions based on whether it was going [23:00] to bankrupt our family because of medicare and i want every family to have that same freedom to do what [23:06] is medically right not live in financial freedom thank you your time is complete though vice president [23:11] biden i want to put the question to you you were an archi one of the architects of obamacare so where do we go [23:15] from here look this is uh very personal to me uh when uh my wife and daughter were killed in an [23:22] automobile accident my two boys were really very badly injured i couldn't imagine what it'd be like [23:28] if i had not had adequate healthcare available immediately and then when my son came home from [23:33] iraq after a year he was diagnosed with terminal cancer and uh he was given months to live i can't [23:38] fathom what would have happened if in fact they said by the way the last six months of your life you're on [23:44] your own we're cutting off you've used up your time the fact of the matter is that the quickest [23:49] fastest way to do it is build on obamacare to build on what we did and secondly secondly to make [23:57] sure that everyone does have an option everyone whether they have private insurance employer insurance [24:03] or no insurance they in fact could buy in in the exchange to a medicare-like plan and the way to do [24:08] that we can do it quickly look urgency matters there's people right now facing what i faced [24:16] and what we faced without any of the help i had we must move now i'm against any democrat who opposes [24:23] but take down obamacare and then a republican who wants to get rid of let me let me turn to senator [24:27] sanders senator sanders you have basically you basically want to scrap the private health insurance [24:33] system as we know it and replace it with a government-run plan none of the states that have tried [24:37] something like that california vermont new york has struggled with it have been successful if [24:42] politicians can't make it work in those states how would you implement it on a national level how [24:47] does this work i find it hard to believe that every other major country on earth including my neighbor [24:55] 50 miles north of me canada somehow has figured out a way to provide health care to every man woman and [25:02] child and in most cases they're spending 50 percent per capita what we are spending let's be clear let [25:10] us be very clear the function of health care today from the insurance and drug company perspective [25:18] is not to provide quality care to all in a cost-effective way the function of the health care system today [25:25] is to make billions in profits for the insurance companies and last year if you could believe it [25:32] while we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs and i will lower prescription [25:37] drug prices in half in this country top 10 companies make 69 billion dollars in profit they will spend [25:46] hundreds of millions of dollars lying to the american people telling us why we cannot have a medicare [25:54] for all single-payer program i just have to follow up how do you implement it on a national level how do you [25:59] implement it on a national level given the fact it's it's not succeeded in other states have tried [26:04] i will tell you how we'll do it we'll do it the way real change has always taken place whether it was [26:10] the labor movement the civil rights movement or the women's movement we will have medicare for all [26:16] when tens of millions of people are prepared to stand up and tell the insurance companies and the [26:22] drug companies that their day is gone that health care is a human right not something to make huge [26:29] profit all right miss williamson this is a question for you excuse me excuse me i'm addressing the [26:36] question ms williamson we've been talking a lot about access to health insurance but for many americans [26:41] their most pressing concern is the high cost of health care how would you lower the cost of prescription [26:47] drugs well first of all the government should never have made the deal with the big pharma that [26:51] they couldn't negotiate that was just part of the regular corruption by which multinational [26:55] corporations have their way with us you know i want to say that while i agree with i'm i'm with [27:01] senator bennett and others but i agree with almost everything here i'll tell you one thing it's really [27:05] nice if we've got all these plans but if you think we're going to beat donald trump by just having all [27:09] these plans you got another thing coming because he didn't win by saying he had a plan he won by simply [27:14] saying make america great again we've got to get deeper than just these superficial fixes as important as [27:20] they are even if we're just talking about the superficial fixes ladies and gentlemen we don't [27:25] have a health care system in the united states we have a sickness care system in the united states we [27:31] just wait till somebody gets sick and then we talk about who's going to pay for the treatment and how [27:36] they're going to be treated what we need to talk about is why so many americans have unnecessary chronic [27:42] illnesses so many more compared to other countries and that gets back into not just the health the uh big [27:48] pharma not just health insurance companies it has to do with chemical policies it has to do with [27:53] environmental policies it has to do with food policy it has to do with drug policy it has to do with [27:59] environmental senator bennett a question for you you want to keep the system that we have in place [28:03] with obamacare and build on it you mentioned that a moment ago is that enough to get us to universal [28:07] coverage i believe that will get us the quickest way there and and i thought the vice president was [28:12] very moving about this and mayor pete as well i had prostate cancer recently as you may know and why i [28:18] was a little late getting in the race the same week my kid had a rapid ectomy out and i feel very [28:23] strongly that families ought to be able to have this choice i think that's what the american people [28:27] want i believe it will get us there quickly i there are millions of people in america that do [28:33] not have health insurance today because they can't they're too wealthy wealthy they make too much money [28:38] to be on medicaid they can't afford health insurance when senator sanders says that canada is single [28:44] payer there are 35 million people in canada there are 330 million people in the united states easily [28:51] the number of people on a public option they could it could easily be 35 million and for them it would [28:58] be medicare for all as as mayor butijed says but for others that want to keep it they should be able [29:05] to keep it and and i think that will be the fastest way to get where we need to go also i will say bernie [29:11] is a very honest person he has said over and over again unlike others that have supported this [29:15] legislation over and over again that this will ban making illegal all insurance except cosmetic [29:23] except insurance for i guess that's for plastic surgery everything else is banned under the medicare [29:30] for all your proposal that he lets it go a little longer there but i want but obviously senator sanders [29:34] you get a response here senator senator just briefly you know mike medicare is the most popular health [29:43] insurance program in the country people don't like their private insurance companies they like their [29:49] doctors and hospitals under our plan people going any doctor they want any hospital they want we will [29:56] substantially lower the cost of health care in this country because we'll stop the greed of the insurance [30:01] companies on this issue we have to think about how this affects real people and the reality of how [30:11] this affects real people is captured in a story that many of us heard and i will paraphrase there is [30:18] any night in america a parent who's seeing that their child has a temperature that is out of control [30:24] calls 9-1-1 what should i do and they say take the child to the emergency room and so they get in [30:30] their car and they drive and they're sitting in the parking lot outside of the emergency room [30:35] looking at those sliding glass doors while they have the hand on the forehead of their child [30:41] knowing that if they walk through those sliding glass doors even though they have insurance they [30:47] will be out of 5 000 deductible five thousand dollar deductible when they walk through those doors [30:52] that's what insurance companies are doing in america today we're going to continue this discussion [30:58] i want us to put it in a different way of myth about candidates please i hate my goal i'm one of [31:03] those parents i was just in the emergency room and i'm telling you congressman thank you we fight [31:07] health insurance companies every single week we stand in line and pay expensive prescription drugs [31:13] we have to have a healthcare guarantee if you're sick you're seen and in america you never go broke [31:18] because of it okay with a lot of you have been talking tonight about these government healthcare [31:23] plans that you've proposed in one form or another this is a show of hands question and hold them up [31:28] for a moment so people can see raise your hand if cover if your government plan would provide coverage [31:34] for undocumented immigrants because our country is healthier when everybody is healthier and remember [31:52] we're talking about something people are giving a chance given a chance to buy into in the same way that [31:56] there are undocumented immigrants in my community who pay they pay sales taxes they pay property taxes [32:03] directly or indirectly this is not about a handout this is an insurance program and we do ourselves [32:11] no favors by having 11 million undocumented people in our country be unable to access health care but of [32:17] course the real problem is we shouldn't have 11 million undocumented people with no pathway to [32:22] citizenship it makes no sense and the american people the american people agree on what to do this is [32:29] the crazy thing if leadership consists of of forming a consensus around a divisive issue this white house [32:36] has divided us around a consensus issue the american people want a pathway to citizenship they want [32:41] protections for dreamers we need to clean up the lawful immigration system like how my father immigrated to [32:46] this country and as part of a compromise we can do whatever common sense measures are needed at the border but [32:50] washington can't deliver on something the american people want what does that tell you about the [32:56] system we're living in it tells you it needs profound structural reform vice president biden i believe [33:01] you said that your health care plan would not cover undocumented immigrants could you explain your [33:06] position i'm sorry i beg your pardon i believe at the show of hands you did not raise your hand [33:11] did you raise your hand no i did okay sorry sorry so you said they would be covered under your plan which [33:17] is different than obamacare yes but here you explain that change yes you cannot let as as the mayor said [33:24] you cannot let people who are sick no matter where they come from no matter what their status go [33:29] uncovered you can't do that it's just going to be taken care of period you have to it's a humane thing to [33:34] do but here's the deal the deal is that he's right about three things number one they in fact contribute [33:41] to the well-being of the country but they also for example they've increased the lifespan of social [33:45] security because they're they have a job they're paying a social security tax that's what they're [33:49] doing it's increased the lifespan they would do the same thing in terms of reducing the overall cost [33:54] of health care by them being able to be treated and not wait till they're an extremist the other thing [34:00] is folks look we can deal with these insurance companies we can deal with the insurance companies by [34:05] number one putting insurance executives in jail for their misleading [34:10] their misleading advertising what they're doing on opioids what they're doing paying doctors to [34:15] prescribe we should we could be doing this by making sure everyone who is on medicare that [34:20] the government should be able to negotiate the price for whatever whatever the drug costs are [34:25] we can do this by making sure that we're in a position that we in fact allow people [34:33] actually you can hold off a minute we need to take a short break here we got a lot more we need to [34:37] talk to all of you about so stick with us we're just getting started we'll be back with more from [34:40] miami right senator harris last month more than 130 000 migrants were apprehended at the southern border [35:15] many of them are being detained including small children in private detention centers in florida and [35:22] throughout our country most of the candidates on this stage say the conditions of these facilities [35:28] are abhorrent on january 20th 2021 if you are president what specifically would you do with the [35:37] thousands of people who try to reach the united states every day and want a better life through [35:43] asylum immediately on january 20th of 2021 i will first of all we cannot forget our daca recipients [35:51] and so i'm going to start there i will immediately by executive action reinstate daca status and daca [35:57] protection to those young people i will further extend protection for deferral of deportation for [36:05] their parents and for veterans who we have so many who are undocumented and have served our country and [36:12] fought for our democracy i will also immediately put in place a meaningful process for reviewing the [36:20] cases for asylum i will release children from cages i will get rid of the private detention centers [36:27] and i will ensure that the this microphone that the president of the united states holds in her hand [36:35] is used in a way that is about reflecting and not about locking children up separating them from their [36:44] parents and i have to just say that we have to think about this issue in terms of real people [36:50] a mother who pays a coyote to transport her trial through their country of origin through the entire [36:59] country of mexico facing unknown peril to come here why would that mother do that i will tell you [37:08] because she has decided for that child to remain where they are is worse but what does donald trump [37:14] do he says go back to where you came from that is not reflective of our america and our values and [37:21] it's got to end governor hickenlooper day one if you are day one at the white house how do you respond [37:35] with these children i i let me get to you in in just a second governor day one thousands of men women [37:46] and children cross the border asking for asylum for a better life what do you do one day one hour one [37:54] well certainly the images we've seen this week just compound the emotional impact that the world is [38:01] judging us by if you'd ever told me any time in my life that this country would sanction federal [38:08] agents to take children from the arms of their parents put them in cages actually put them up for [38:15] adoption in colorado we call that kidnapping i would have told you i would have told you it was [38:24] unbelievable and the the first thing we have to do is recognize the humanitarian crisis on the word [38:29] for what it is we make sure that there are the sufficient fill facilities in place so that women [38:36] and children not separated from their families the children are with their families uh we have to make [38:41] sure that that ice is completely reformed and they begin looking at their job in a humanitarian way [38:47] where they're addressing the whole needs of the people that they are engaged with along the border and [38:53] we have to make sure ultimately that we provide not just shelter but food clothing and access to [38:59] medical care ms williamson yes what donald trump has done to these children and it's not just in [39:04] colorado governor you're right it is kidnapping and it's extremely important for us to realize that [39:09] if you forcibly take a child from their parents arms you are kidnapping them and if you take a lot of [39:16] children and you put them in entertainment center thus inflicting chronic trauma upon them that's called child [39:22] abuse this is collective child abuse and when this is crime both of those things are a crime and if [39:28] your government does it that doesn't make it less of a crime these are state-sponsored crimes uh congressman [39:35] and what president trump has done is not only attack these children not only demonize these immigrants [39:42] he is attacking a basic principle of america's moral core we open our hearts to the stranger this is [39:50] extremely important and it's also important for all of us remember and i have great respect for [39:54] everyone who is on this on this on this stage but we're going to talk about what to do about health [39:58] care well where have you been guys because if it's it's not just a matter of a plan and i haven't heard [40:03] anybody on this stage who has talked about american foreign policy in latin america and how we might have [40:09] in the last few decades contributed to something more senator dillibrand what would you do as president [40:16] with a reality well one of the worst things about president trump that he's done to this country [40:22] is he's torn apart the moral fabric of who we are when he started separating children at the border from [40:28] their parents the fact that seven children have died in his custody the fact that dozens of children [40:35] have been separated from their parents and they have no plan to reunite them so i would do a few things [40:40] first i would fight for comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship [40:44] second i would reform how we treat asylum seekers at the border i would have a community-based [40:51] treatment center where you're doing within the communities where asylum seekers are given lawyers [40:56] where there's real immigration judges not employees of the attorney general but appointed for life [41:02] and have a community-based system i would fund border security but the worst thing president trump has [41:07] done he's diverted the funds away from cross-border terrorism cross-border human trafficking drug [41:13] trafficking and gun trafficking and he's given that money to the for-profit prisons i would not be [41:19] spending money in for-profit prisons to lock up children and asylum seekers we had a very spirited [41:26] debate on this stage last night on the topic of decriminalization of the border if you'd be so kind [41:32] raise your hand if you think it should be a civil offense rather than a crime to cross the border without [41:38] documentation can we keep the hands up so we could see them uh let's remember that's not just a [41:45] theoretical exercise that criminalization that is the basis for family separation you do away with that [41:52] it's no longer possible of course it wouldn't be possible anyway in my presidency because it is dead [41:58] wrong we got to talk about one other thing because the republican party likes to cloak itself [42:02] in the language of religion now our party doesn't talk about that as much largely for a very good reason [42:09] which was we are committed to the separation of church and state and we stand for people of any [42:13] religion and people of no religion but we should call out hypocrisy when we see it and for a party [42:18] that associates itself with christianity to say that it is okay to suggest that god would smile [42:25] on the division of families at the hands of federal agents that god would condone putting children in [42:31] cages has lost all claim to ever use religious language again vice president mr vice president i don't [42:40] know if you raised your hand or were just asking to speak would you decriminalize crossing the border [42:48] without documents the first thing i would do is unite families i'd surge immediately billions of dollars [42:55] worth of help to the region immediately look we talk about foreign policy i'm the guy that got a [43:02] bipartisan agreement at the very end of the campaign at the very end of our term to spend 740 million [43:09] dollars to deal with the problem and that was to go to the root cause of why people are leaving in [43:15] the first place it was working we saw as you know a net decrease in the number of children were coming [43:21] the crisis was abated and along came this president he said he immediately discontinued that we all talk [43:27] about these things i did it i did it 740 now look second thing second thing we have to do the law now requires [43:36] the reuniting of those families we would reunite those families period and if not we put those [43:42] children in a circumstance where they were safe until we could find their parents and lastly the [43:46] idea that he's in court with his justice department saying children in cages do not need a bed do not [43:54] need a blanket do not need a toothbrush that is outrageous vice president the obama biden administration [44:00] deported more than three million americans my question to you is if an individual is living in [44:11] the united states of america without documents and that is his only offense should that person be [44:18] deported no depending if they committed a major crime they should be deported and the president was [44:24] left in his president obama i think did a heck of a job to compare him to what what this guy's doing [44:30] is absolutely i find close to immoral but the fact is that look we should not be locking people [44:37] up we should be making sure we change the circumstance as we did why they would leave in [44:42] the first place and those who come seeking asylum we should immediately have the capacity to absorb [44:49] them keep them safe until they can be heard a 15 second if you could if you wish to answer should [44:55] someone who is here without documents and that is his only offense should that person be deported that [45:03] person should not be the focus of deportation we should fundamentally change the way we deal with [45:08] them senator i think it's important suggest that i agree with a lot of what commonland just said [45:14] and that is on day one we take out our executive order pen and we rescind every damn thing on this [45:21] issue that trump has done number two number two picking up on the point that joe made we got to [45:27] look at the root causes and you have a situation where honduras among other things is a failing state [45:34] massive corruption you got gangs who are telling families that if a 10-year-old does not join that [45:40] gang that family is going to be killed what we have got to do on day one is invite the presidents and [45:46] the leadership of central america and mexico together this is a hemisphere thank you problem that we [45:51] have got congressman swalwell what do you do day one no if someone is here without documents and that [46:00] is their only offense is that person to be deported no that person can be a part of this great american [46:10] experience that person can contribute my congressional district is one of the most diverse in america and [46:15] we see the benefits when people contribute and they become a part of the community and they're not [46:19] in the shadow economy day one for me families are reunited this president though for immigrants there's [46:26] nothing he will not do to separate a family cage a child or erase their existence by weaponizing the [46:35] census and there is nothing that we cannot do in the courts and that i will not do as president to [46:41] reverse that and to make sure that families always belong together senator harris well thank you um [46:49] i will say no absolutely not they should not be deported and i actually this was one of the very [46:54] few issues with which i disagreed with um the administration with whom i otherwise had a great [47:02] relationship and a great deal of respect but on the secure communities issue i was attorney general [47:07] of california i led the second largest department of justice in the united states second only to the [47:11] united states department of justice in a state of 40 million people and on this issue i disagreed with [47:17] my president because the policy was to allow deportation of people who by ice's own definition [47:25] were non-criminals so as attorney general and the chief law officer of the state of california [47:31] i issued a directive to the sheriffs of my state that they did not have to comply with detainers and [47:38] instead should make decisions based on the best interest of public safety of their community because [47:42] what i saw and i was tracking it every day i was tracking it and saw that parent that parents [47:49] people who had not committed a crime even by ice's own definition were being deported and but i have [47:55] to add a point here the problem with this kind of policy and i know it as a prosecutor i want a rape [48:01] victim to be able to run in the middle of to run in the middle of the street and wave down a police [48:06] officer and report the crime against her i want anybody who has been the victim of any real crime [48:12] to be able to do that and not be afraid that if they do that they will be deported because the abuser [48:18] will return to the issue of trade now if we can last night we asked the candidates on this stage to [48:29] name the greatest geopolitical threat facing the u.s four of them mention china u.s businesses say china [48:36] steals our intellectual property and party leaders on both sides abuse china of manipulating their currency to [48:42] keep the cost of goods artificially low i'll ask this to senator bennett to start off with how would [48:48] you stand up to china i think that first of all the the biggest geo the the biggest factor of national [48:55] security right now is russia not china and second on china we've got competent because of what they've [49:01] done with our election in china i think the president's been right to push back on on china but has done [49:07] it in completely the wrong way we should mobilize the entire rest of the world who all have a shared [49:12] interest in pushing back on china's mercantilist trade policies and i think we can do that i'd like [49:17] to answer the other question before this as well do you have the time when i when i when i see these [49:23] kids at the border i see my mom because i know she sees herself because she was separated from her [49:28] parents for years during the holocaust in poland and for donald trump to be doing what he's doing [49:35] to children and their families at the borders i say this as somebody who wrote the immigration bill [49:40] in 2013 that created a pathway to citizenship for 11 million people in this country that had the most [49:46] progressive dream act that's ever been conceived much less passed it got 68 votes in the senate that [49:52] had 46 billion dollars of border security in it there was sophisticated 21st century border security [49:59] not a medieval wall and the president has turned the border of the united states into a symbol of nativist [50:06] hostility that the whole world is looking at when what we should be represented by is the statue of [50:13] liberty which has brought my parents to this country to begin with we need to make a change mr yang let [50:19] me bring you in on this on the issue of china you've expressed a lot of concerns about technology and [50:24] taking jobs are you worried about china and if so how would you stand up against it well i just want [50:29] to agree that i think russia is our greatest geopolitical threat because they've been hacking our democracy [50:33] successfully and they've been laughing their asses off about it for the last couple of years so we [50:37] should focus on that before we start worrying about uh other threats now china they do uh they do pirate [50:44] our intellectual property it's a massive problem but the tariffs and the trade war are just punishing [50:49] businesses and producers and workers on both sides i met with a farmer in iowa who said he spent six [50:54] years building up a buying relationship in china that's now disappeared and gone forever and the [50:59] beneficiaries have not been american workers or people in china it's been southeast asia and other [51:03] producers that have then stepped into the void so we need to to crack down on chinese uh malfeasance [51:09] in the trade relationship but the tariffs and the trade war are the wrong way to go all right mayor [51:13] goodridge how would you stand how would you stand up against china yeah i mean first of all we've got [51:18] to recognize that the china challenge really is a serious one this is not something to dismiss or wave away [51:24] and if you look at what china is doing they're using technology for the perfection of dictatorship [51:31] but their fundamental economic model isn't going to change because of some tariffs i live in the [51:36] industrial midwest uh what folks who aren't uh in the shadow of a factory are somewhere near a soy [51:42] field where i live and manufacturers and especially soy farmers are hurting tariffs are taxes and americans [51:48] are going to pay on average 800 more a year because of these tariffs meanwhile china is investing [51:54] so that they could soon be able to run circles around us in artificial intelligence and this [51:59] president is fixated on the china relationship as if all that mattered was the export balance on [52:04] dishwashers we've got a much bigger issue on our hands but at a moment when their authoritarian model [52:10] is being held up as an alternative to ours because ours looks so chaotic compared to theirs right now [52:15] because of our internal divisions the biggest thing we've got to do is invest in our own domestic [52:20] competitiveness if we disinvest in our own infrastructure education we are never going [52:25] to be able to compete and if we really want to be an alternative a democratic alternative we actually [52:31] have to demonstrate that we care about democratic values at home thank you for your answer [52:34] we've got a huge debate so far the quick break here candidates when we come back the questioning continues [52:40] with our colleagues chuck todd rachel maddow will be here much more with our candidates straight ahead [52:46] the democratic presidential debate from the arch center in miami as we continue the questioning [53:19] we want to bring in more members of our team so let's turn it over to chuck todd and rachel maddow [53:25] well rachel i had a dream that we've done this before no no no no didn't happen definitely [53:33] first time thank you uh lester savannah and jose let's quickly recap the rules one more time [53:38] 20 candidates qualified for this first debate we've heard from 10 of them from last night [53:42] we're hearing from 10 more tonight breakdown for each night was selected at random candidates will [53:47] have 60 seconds to answer direct questions 30 seconds for follow-ups if necessary because of [53:52] this large field of candidates not every person will be able to comment on everything but the [53:56] less audience reaction there is the more time they will all get over the course of the next hour we [54:03] will hear from all of these candidates but we are going to begin this hour uh with mayor buti judge [54:10] uh in the last five years civil rights activists in our country have led a national debate over race [54:15] and the criminal justice system your community of south bend indiana has recently been in uproar over an [54:20] officer involved shooting the police force in south bend is now six percent black in a city that is [54:27] 26 black why has that not improved over your two terms as mayor because i couldn't get it done my [54:34] community is in anguish right now because of an officer involved shooting a black man eric logan killed [54:40] by a white officer i'm not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back the officer said he was [54:46] attacked with a knife but he didn't have his body camera on it's a mess and we're hurting and i could [54:52] walk you through all of the things that we have done as a community all of the steps that we took from [54:59] bias training to de-escalation but it didn't save the life of eric logan and when i look into his [55:07] mother's eyes i have to face the fact that nothing that i say will bring him back this is an issue that [55:13] is facing our community and so many communities around the country and until we move policing out [55:20] from the shadow of systemic racism whatever this particular incident teaches us we will be left [55:25] with the bigger problem of the fact that there's a wall of mistrust put up one racist act at a time [55:31] not just from what's happened in the past but from what's happening around the country in the present [55:36] it threatens the well-being of every community and i am determined to bring about a day when a white [55:42] person driving a vehicle and a black person driving a vehicle when they see a police officer [55:47] approaching feels the exact same thing a feeling not of fear but of safety i am determined to bring [55:53] that day about thank you mr mayor if i could ask one question just because i think governor i'll give [56:01] you 30 seconds i think that uh the question they're asking in south bend i think in cities across the [56:05] country is why has it taken so long uh we had a shooting when i first became mayor 10 years before [56:11] ferguson and the community came together and we created an office of the independent monitor [56:15] civilian oversight commission we diversified the police force in two years we actually did [56:20] de-escalation training i think the real question that america should be asking is why five years after [56:26] ferguson every city doesn't have this level of police accountability governor hickenlooper thank you [56:31] i've got to respond to that look we've taken so many steps toward police accountability that you know [56:37] the fop just announced me for too much accountability we're obviously not there yet and i accept responsibility [56:42] for that because i'm in charge policy you should fire the chief so under indiana law this will be [56:48] investigated and there will be accountability for the officer but you're the mayor you should fire [56:52] the chief if that's the policy and someone died all of these issues are extremely important but there are [56:58] specifics they are symptoms and the underlying cause has to do with deep deep deep realms of racial [57:04] injustice both in our criminal justice system and in our economic system and the democratic party [57:09] should be on the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason i do not believe i do not [57:16] believe that the average american is a racist but the average american is woefully under-educated about [57:21] the history of race in the united states thank you very much vice president biden i'm going to we're [57:25] going to get to you hang on we're going to get stage i would like to speak on the issue of race [57:33] senator harris and so what i will say is that i agree if i could preface this we will give you 30 [57:38] seconds we're going to come back to you on on this again in just a moment go for 30 seconds okay so [57:45] on the issue of race i couldn't agree more that this is an issue that is still not being talked about [57:51] truthfully and honestly i there is not a black man i know be he a relative a friend or a co-worker who [57:57] has not been the subject of some form of profiling or discrimination growing up my sister and i had to [58:03] deal with the neighbor who told us her parents couldn't play with us because she because we were [58:07] black and i will say also that that in this campaign we've also heard and i'm going to now direct this [58:14] at vice president biden um i do not believe you are a racist and i agree with you when you commit [58:23] yourself to the importance of finding common ground but i also believe and it's personal and i was [58:30] actually very it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two united states senators who [58:39] built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country and it was not only that but [58:48] you also worked with them to oppose busing and you know there was a little girl in california who was [58:56] part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day and [59:04] that little girl was me so i will tell you that on this subject it cannot be an intellectual debate [59:13] among democrats we have to take it seriously we have to act swiftly as attorney general of california [59:19] i was very proud to put in place a requirement that all my special agents would wear body cameras [59:24] and keep those cameras on senator harris thank you vice president biden you have been invoked you're [59:31] a chance to respond mischaracterization my position across the board i did not praise [59:47] racist that is not true number one number two if we want to have this campaign litigated on who [59:53] supports civil rights and whether i did or not i'm happy to do that i was a public defender i didn't [59:58] become a prosecutor i came out and i left a good law firm to become a public defender when in fact when in [1:00:04] fact my city was in flames because of the the assassination of dr king number one number two [1:00:13] as the u.s as excuse me as the uh vice president united states i work with a man who in fact we [1:00:19] worked very hard to see to it we dealt with these issues in a major major way the fact is that in terms [1:00:25] of busing the busing i never you would have been able to go to school the same exact way because it [1:00:30] was a local decision made by your city council that's fine that's one of the things i argued for [1:00:37] that we should not be we should be breaking down these lines but so the bottom line here is look [1:00:42] everything i've done in my career i ran because of civil rights i continue to think we have to make [1:00:47] fundamental changes in civil rights and those civil rights by the way include not just only afric [1:00:52] americans but the lgbt community but vice president biden do you agree today do you agree today that [1:01:00] you were wrong to oppose busing in america do you agree i did not oppose busing in america what i opposed [1:01:08] is busing ordered by the department of education that's what i opposed well there was a failure of [1:01:14] states to to integrate public schools in america i was part of the second class to integrate berkeley [1:01:21] california public schools almost two decades after brown v board of education because your [1:01:26] city council made that decision it was a local decision that's where the federal government must [1:01:30] step in that's why we have the voting rights act and the civil we need to pass the era because there [1:01:40] are moments in history where states fail to preserve the civil rights of all people i have supported [1:01:46] the era from the very beginning when i ran 30 seconds because i want to bring other people into this [1:01:50] support of the era from the very beginning i'm the guy that extended the voting rights act for 25 [1:01:56] years we got to the place where we got 98 out of 98 votes in the united states senate doing it [1:02:02] i've also argued very strongly that we in fact deal with the notion of denying people access to the [1:02:08] ballot box i agree that everybody wants they in fact anyway my time's up i'm sorry thank you vice [1:02:14] president all of these things senator sanders senator sanders i'm going to go to you on this you said on the [1:02:19] day you launched your campaign that voters should focus on what people stand for not a candidate's [1:02:24] race or age or sexual orientation many democrats are very excited by the diversity of this field [1:02:30] on this stage and on last night's stage and the perspective that diversity brings to this contest [1:02:37] and to these issues are you telling democratic voters that diversity shouldn't matter when they [1:02:42] make this decision no absolutely not unlike the republican party we encourage diversity we [1:02:50] believe in diversity that's what america is about but in addition to diversity in terms of having more [1:02:58] women more people from the gbl lgbt community we also have to do something else and that is we have to [1:03:06] ask ourselves a simple question and that how come today the worker in the middle of our economy [1:03:16] is making no more money than he or she made 45 years ago and that in the last 30 years [1:03:22] the top one percent has seen a 21 trillion dollar increase in their wealth we need a party that is [1:03:29] diverse but we need a party that has the guts to stand up to the powerful special interests [1:03:36] who have so much power over the economic and political life of this country senator gillibrain [1:03:41] i want to give you 30 seconds on this well first of all where bernie left off we've heard a lot of good [1:03:46] ideas on this stage tonight and a lot of plans but the truth is until you go to the root of the [1:03:51] corruption the money in the in politics the fact that washington is run by the special interests [1:03:57] you are never going to solve any of these problems i have the most comprehensive approach [1:04:02] that experts agree is the most transformative plan to actually take on political corruption [1:04:07] to get money out of public politics through publicly funded elections to have clean elections [1:04:12] if we do that and get money out of politics we can guarantee health care is a right not a privilege [1:04:17] we can deal with institutional racism we can take on income inequality and we can take on the [1:04:22] corporate corruption that runs washington the first constitutional amendment to do that was [1:04:25] introduced by me when i was a young senator thank you vice president we want to shift topics here [1:04:29] senator bennett the next question is for you on the issue of partisan gridlock president obama promised [1:04:36] in 2012 that after his reelection republicans would want to work with democrats fever would break [1:04:40] that did not happen now best president biden is saying the same thing that if he is elected [1:04:45] in 2020 both parties will want to work together should voters believe that somehow if there's [1:04:50] a democratic president in 2021 that gridlock is going to magically disappear gridlock will not [1:04:57] magically disappear as long as mitch mcconnell is there first second second second that's why [1:05:05] it is so important for us to win not just the presidency to have somebody that can run in all 50 states [1:05:12] but to but to win the senate as well and that's why we have to propose policies that can be [1:05:17] supported like medicare x so that we can build a broad coalition of americans to overcome broken [1:05:24] washington dc i agree with what senator gillibrand was saying i share a lot of her views we need to [1:05:29] end gerrymandering and watch it we need to end political gerrymandering in washington the court today [1:05:35] said they couldn't do anything about it we need to overturn citizens united the court was the one that gave [1:05:41] us citizens united and the attack on voting rights in shelby versus holder is something we need [1:05:47] to deal with all of those things has happened since uh vice president biden was in the senate and we [1:05:54] face structural problems that we have to overcome with a broad coalition it's the only way we can do [1:06:01] it we need to root out the corruption in washington expand people's right to get to the polls and i think [1:06:06] then we can succeed vice president biden uh 30 seconds i want i what um it does sound as if you [1:06:13] haven't seen what's been happening in the united states senate over the last 12 years it didn't [1:06:18] happen why i have seen what happened just since we were vice president we needed three votes to pass [1:06:24] an eight hundred billion dollar recovery act that kept us from going into depression i got three votes [1:06:30] changed we needed to be able to keep the government from shutting down and going bankrupt i got mitch mcconnell [1:06:36] to raise taxes 600 billion dollars by raising the top rate and as recently as after president uh got elected [1:06:45] i was able to put together a coalition of the cures act that billions of dollars go into cancer research [1:06:51] bipartisan but sometimes you can't do that sometimes you just have to go out and beat them [1:06:56] i went into 20 states over 60 candidates and guess what we beat them we won back the senate thank you [1:07:02] chuck thank you the problem with what the vice president yeah 30 seconds go ahead we sometimes [1:07:08] you do have to beat them but but the deal that he talked about with mitch mcconnell was a complete [1:07:14] victory for the tea party it extended the bush tax cuts permanently the democratic party had been running [1:07:20] against that for 10 years we've lost that economic argument because that deal extended almost all those [1:07:28] bush tax cuts permanently and put in place the mindless cuts that we still are dealing with today [1:07:35] that are called the sequester that was a great deal for mitch mcconnell it was a terrible deal for [1:07:40] thank you senator thank you senator benner right right go ahead 30 seconds the trump tax cut had to be [1:07:48] passed is because they had to pay back their donors you heard it they actually said those words so the [1:07:53] corruption in washington is real and it is something that makes every one of the plans we've heard about [1:07:58] over the last several months impossible and i have the most comprehensive approach to do it with clean [1:08:04] elections publicly fun elections so we restore the power of our democracy into the hands of the voters [1:08:10] not into the coke brothers we were talking about issues imagine we're in florida imagine the parkland [1:08:17] kids having as much power in our democracy as the coke brothers or the nra imagine their voices [1:08:23] carrying farther and wider than anyone else because this is needed senator children i'm trying to get [1:08:30] everybody in here it's the first thing i'm going to do because nothing else is possible whether it's [1:08:34] education or health care or ending institutional thank you very much senators i'd like to put a [1:08:38] different question to you roe versus wade has been the law of the land since 1973. now that there is a [1:08:44] conservative majority on the supreme court several republican controlled states have passed laws to severely [1:08:50] restrict or even ban abortion one of those laws could very well make it to the supreme court during [1:08:55] your presidency if you're elected president what is your plan if roe is struck down in the court while [1:09:01] you're president well my plan is somebody who believes for a start that a woman's right to control [1:09:08] her own body is a constitutional right that government and politicians should not infringe on that right [1:09:16] we will do everything we can to defend our roe versus wade second of all let me make let me make [1:09:22] let me make a promise here you ask about litmus test my litmus test is i will never appoint [1:09:29] any nominate any justice to the supreme court unless that justice is 100 clear he or she will defend [1:09:37] roe v wade third wall i do not believe in packing the court we got a terrible 5-4 majority conservative [1:09:45] court right now but i do believe that constitutionally we have the power to rotate judges to other courts [1:09:54] and that brings in new blood into the supreme court and a majority i hope that will understand that a [1:10:03] woman has the right to control her own body and the corporations cannot run uh the united states of [1:10:09] america i'm going to give you 10 additional seconds because the question is what if the court has already [1:10:15] overturned roe and roe is gone all of the things you just described would be to try to preserve roe [1:10:20] if roe is gone what could you do as president to preserve abortion rights well first of all let me [1:10:25] tell you this didn't come up here but let's face this medicare for all guarantees every woman in this [1:10:34] country the right to have an abortion if she wants it thank you senator and can i just address this for a [1:10:40] second and i want to talk directly directly to america's women and to the men who love them [1:10:47] women's reproductive rights are under assault by president trump and the republican party 30 states [1:10:53] are trying to overturn roe v wade right now and it is mind-boggling to me that we are debating this [1:11:00] on this stage in 2019 among democrats whether women should have access to reproductive rights i think [1:11:05] we have to stop paying defense and start playing offense but let me tell you one thing about [1:11:11] politics because it goes to the corruption and the deal making when the door is closed and the [1:11:15] negotiations are made there are conversations about women's rights and compromises have been made on [1:11:21] our backs that's how we got to hide that's how the hyde amendment was created a compromise by leaders [1:11:26] of both parties then we have the aca during the aca negotiation i had to fight like heck with [1:11:33] other women to make sure that contraception wasn't sold down the river or abortion services and so [1:11:41] what we need to know is imagine this one question when we beat president trump and mitch mcconnell walks [1:11:48] into the over office god forbid to do negotiations who do you want when that door closes to be sitting [1:11:53] behind that desk to fight for women's rights i have been the fiercest advocate for women's reproductive [1:11:58] freedom for over a decade and i promise you as president senator when that door closes i will [1:12:04] guarantee women's reproductive freedom no matter what thank you thank you we're moving to climate [1:12:08] we're moving to climate guys senator harris i'm addressing you first on this you live in a state [1:12:13] that has been hit by drought wildfires flooding climate change is a major concern for voters in [1:12:18] your state it's pretty obvious obviously this state as well last night voters heard many of the [1:12:22] candidates weigh in on their proposals explain specifically what yours is well first of all i [1:12:28] don't even call it climate change it's a climate crisis it represents an existential threat to us [1:12:33] as a species and the fact that we have a president of the united states who has embraced science fiction [1:12:39] over science fact will be to our collective peril i visited while the embers were smoldering the wildfires [1:12:49] in california i spoke with firefighters who were in the midst of fighting a fire while their own homes [1:12:55] were burning and on this issue it is it is a critical issue that is about what we must do to confront what [1:13:03] is immediate and before us right now that is why i support a green new deal it is why i believe on day one [1:13:09] and as president will re-enter us in the paris agreement because we have to take these issues [1:13:14] seriously and frankly we have a president united states we talked about you asked before what is the [1:13:20] greatest national security threat to the united states it's donald trump and i'm going to tell [1:13:24] you why and i'm going to tell you why because i agree climate change represents an existential threat [1:13:32] he denies the science you want to talk about north korea real threat in terms of nuclear arsenal but [1:13:37] what does he do he embraces kim jong-un a dictator for the sake of a photo op thank [1:13:42] putin you want to talk about senator harris we're going to do he takes the word of the russian [1:13:46] president over the word of the american intelligence community when it comes to a threat to our [1:13:51] democracy and our election thank you senator harris these are the issues that are before us chuck i'm [1:13:56] i hear you thank you senator harris mayor budigich in your climate plan if you're elected president in [1:14:04] your first term how is this going to help farmers impacted by climate change in the midwest well the [1:14:11] reality is we need to begin adapting right away but we also can't skip a beat on preventing climate [1:14:16] change from getting even worse it's why we need aggressive and ambitious measures it's why we [1:14:21] need to do a carbon tax and dividend but i would propose we do it in a way that is rebated out to [1:14:27] the american people in a progressive fashion so that most americans are made more than whole this [1:14:32] isn't theoretical for us in south bend either parts of california on fire right here in florida [1:14:37] they're talking about sea level rise well in indiana i had to activate the emergency operations center of [1:14:42] our city twice in less than two years first time was a thousand year flood and the next time was a 500 [1:14:48] year flood this is not just happening on the arctic ice caps this is happening in the middle of the [1:14:54] country and we've got to be dramatically more aggressive moving forward now here's what very [1:14:58] few people talk about first of all rural america can be part of the solution instead of being told [1:15:04] they're part of the problem with the right kind of soil management and other kind of investments [1:15:08] rural america could be a huge part of how we get this done and secondly we've got to look to the [1:15:12] leadership of local communities those networks of mayors and cities from around the world who have [1:15:17] come together i'm trying not even waiting for our national governments to catch up we should have a [1:15:21] pittsburgh summit where we bring them together as well as rejoining the paris thank you mayor but i [1:15:25] want to bring governor hickenlooper into this for a moment governor you have said that oil and gas [1:15:30] companies should be a part of the solution on climate change lots of your colleagues on stage tonight [1:15:36] have talked about moving away from fossil fuels entirely can oil and gas companies be real partners [1:15:42] in this fight well i share the sense of urgency i'm i'm a scientist so i i recognize that we're within 10 [1:15:49] or 12 years of of actually you know suffering irreversible damage uh but you know guaranteeing [1:15:56] everybody a government job is not going to get us there socialism and in that sense is not the solution [1:16:02] we have to look at what really will make a difference in colorado we're closing a couple [1:16:06] coal plants replacing with wind solar and batteries and the and the monthly bills go down [1:16:11] we've gone on we're building a network for electric vehicles we are working with the oil and gas [1:16:17] industry and we created the first methane regulations in the country methane is 25 times [1:16:22] worse than co2 and then we've got to get to that last part i mean the industrial heavy industry we [1:16:28] haven't seen the plans yet if you look at at at the real problem co2 the worst polluters in co2 was [1:16:35] china is the united states and then it's concrete and it's exhalation and beyond that i think we've [1:16:41] got to recognize that only by bringing people together businesses non-profits and we can't demonize [1:16:46] every business we've got to bring them together to be part of this thing because ultimately if we're [1:16:50] not able to do that we will be doomed to failure we have no way of doing this without bringing everyone [1:16:55] together thank you vice president biden on the issue of how you do this democrats are arguing [1:17:01] robustly among themselves about what's the best way to tackle climate change but if we're honest [1:17:06] many republicans including the president are still not sure if they believe it is even a serious [1:17:10] problem so are there significant ways you can cut carbon emissions if you have to do it with no [1:17:17] support from congress the answer is yes number one media when our administration we built the largest [1:17:23] wind farm in the world the largest solar energy facility in the world we drove down the price [1:17:29] competitive price of both of those renewable and renewable sources i would immediately insist that [1:17:35] we in fact build 500 000 recharging stations throughout the united states of america working [1:17:41] with governors mayors and others so that we can go to a full electric vehicle future by the year 2020 [1:17:47] by the way 2030 i would make sure that we invested 400 million dollars in new science and technology to [1:17:56] be the exporter not only of the green economy but economy that can create millions of jobs but i would [1:18:03] immediately join the paris uh climate accord i would up the ante in that accord which it calls for [1:18:09] because we make up 15 of the problem 85 of the world makes up the rest and so we have to have someone [1:18:16] who knows how to corral the rest of the world bring them together and get something done like we did in [1:18:21] our administration senator sanders i want to give you 30 seconds to follow up and i'm going to hold [1:18:25] you to 30. look the old ways are no longer relevant the scientists tell us we have 12 years before there [1:18:32] is irreparable damage to this planet this is a global issue what the president of the united states should [1:18:38] do is not deny the reality of climate change but tell the rest of the world that instead of spending a [1:18:45] trillion and a half dollars on weapons of destruction let us get together for the common enemy and that [1:18:51] is to transform the world energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy [1:18:58] the future of the planet rests on us doing that before we go hang on before we leave this topic [1:19:05] here's a solution pass the torch pass the torch to the generation that's going to feel the effects [1:19:09] the climate change the fossil fuels the solution that's inventive enough thank you all we leave [1:19:14] this topic here's something you all want to weigh in on hold one moment just just hold one moment just [1:19:20] trust us on this somebody has a younger body doesn't mean you don't have old ideas no we didn't do it [1:19:25] john kennedy john kennedy did not say john kennedy did not say i have a plan to get a man to the moon and [1:19:32] so we're going to do it and i think we can all work together and maybe we can get a man on the moon [1:19:36] john kennedy said by the end of this decade we are going to put a man on the moon because john kennedy [1:19:43] was back in the day when politics included the people and included imagination and included great [1:19:49] dreams and included great plans and i have had a career not making the political plans but i have had [1:19:55] a career harnessing the inspiration and the motivation and the excitement of people thank you [1:20:00] masses of people when we know that when we say we are going to turn from a dirty economy to a clean [1:20:06] economy we're going to have a green new deal we're going to create millions of jobs we're going to do [1:20:10] this within the next 12 years because i'm not interested in just winning the next election we are [1:20:15] interested in our grandchildren we got to we're going to sneak in a break in a minute but before we go [1:20:21] i'm going to go down the line here and i'm asking you please for one or two words only all right please [1:20:27] really president obama in his first year wanted to address both health care and climate and he could [1:20:34] only get one signature issue accomplished it was obviously health care he didn't get to do climate [1:20:42] change you may only get one shot and your first issue that you're going to push you get one shot [1:20:50] that it may be the only thing you get past what is that first issue for your presidency eric suavell [1:20:57] your first for parkland for orlando for every community affected by gun violence ending gun [1:21:02] violence senator bennett climate change and the lack of economic mobility bernie talks about [1:21:11] senator jillibrand passing a family bill of rights that includes a national paid leave plan universal [1:21:17] pre-k affordable daycare and making sure that women and families can thrive in the workplace no matter [1:21:23] so passing a middle class and working families tax cut uh daca guns [1:21:34] i'm giving you credit for the first thing you said the tax cut i got you senator sanders first [1:21:39] thing the premise that there's only one or two issues out there i'm not saying there's one or two [1:21:45] enormous crises senator senator political revolution people have got to stand up and take on the special [1:21:51] interests we can transform this country fine uh vice president biden your first issue mr vice [1:21:57] president i think you're so underestimated with barack obama did he's the first man to bring together [1:22:02] the entire world 196 nations to commit to deal with climate change immediately so i don't buy that but [1:22:12] the first the first thing i would do is make sure that we defeat donald trump period [1:22:19] mayor budigich your first priority your first issue as president that you are going to block and [1:22:25] tackle we've got to fix our democracy before it's too late get that right climate immigration taxes and [1:22:31] every other issue gets better mr mr gang i would pass a one thousand dollar freedom dividend for every [1:22:37] american adult starting at age 18 which would speed us up on climate change because if you get the boot [1:22:41] off of people's throats they'll focus on climate change much more clearly governor hickenlooper [1:22:45] i would do a collaborative approach to climate change and i would pronounce it well before the [1:22:51] election to make sure we don't re-elect the worst president in american history and miss williamson [1:22:56] my first call is to prime minister of new zealand who said that her goal is to make new zealand the [1:23:01] place where it's the best place in the world for a child to grow up and i will tell her girlfriend [1:23:05] you are so on because the united states of america is going to be the best place in the world for a [1:23:10] child to grow up you know we are going to thank you you guys were close with the short at least it [1:23:15] was shorter response not at all all right c minus we're going to take a quick break we'll be right [1:23:21] back with these candidates right after this continue the questioning now with lester in the audience we [1:23:55] are we are a second are going to have a question from lester in the audience but that was just a fake [1:24:02] out that's good we're going to go to the issue of guns and uh congressman swalwell among this field of [1:24:10] candidates you have a unique position on gun reform you're proposing that the government [1:24:14] should buy back every assault weapon in america and it should be mandatory how do you envision that [1:24:20] working especially in states where gun rights are a strong flashpoint keep your pistols keep your [1:24:25] rifles keep your shotguns but we can take the most dangerous weapons from the most dangerous people [1:24:31] we have the nra on the ropes because of the moms because of the brady group because of giffords because [1:24:36] of march for our lives but i'm the only candidate on this stage calling for a ban and [1:24:41] buyback of every single assault weapon in america i've seen the plans of the other candidates here [1:24:47] they would all leave 15 million assault weapons in our communities they wouldn't do a single thing [1:24:51] to save a single life in parkland i'll approach this issue as a prosecutor i'll approach it as the [1:24:58] only person on this stage who has voted and passed background checks but also as a parent of a generation [1:25:05] who sends our children to school where we look at what they're wearing so we can remember it in case we have to [1:25:11] identify them later a generation who has seen thousands of black children killed in our streets [1:25:19] and a generation who goes to the theater and we actually look where the fire exits are we don't [1:25:24] have to live this way we must be a country who loves our children more than we love our guns senator [1:25:30] sanders a vermont newspaper senator sanders a vermont newspaper recently released portions of an interview [1:25:37] you gave in 2013 in which you said quote my own view on guns is everything being equal states should [1:25:44] make those decisions no has your thinking changed since then do you now think there's a federal role [1:25:49] that's a mischaracterization of my thinking look we have a gun we have a gun crisis right now 40 000 [1:25:58] people a year are getting killed in 1988 rachel when it wasn't popular i ran on a platform of banning [1:26:08] assault weapons and in fact lost that race for congress i have a d-minus voting record from the nra [1:26:15] and i believe that what we need is comprehensive gun gun uh legislation that among other things provides [1:26:25] universal background we end the gun show loophole we end the straw man provision and i believed in 1988 [1:26:32] and i believe today why would you that assault weapons assault weapons assault weapons are weapons [1:26:39] you leave from the military and that they should not be on the streets of america you would leave [1:26:45] your plan leaves them on the streets you leave 15 million we banned the sale and we banned the sale [1:26:49] will you buy them back and that's what i believed for many years will you buy them back if people want [1:26:54] to buy the government wants to do that and people you're going to be the government will you buy [1:26:57] them back yes senator harris we're going to give you 30 seconds thank you i think your idea is a [1:27:01] great one congressman swalwell and i will say that there are a lot of great ideas the problem is [1:27:06] congress has not had the courage to act which is why when elected president of the united states [1:27:11] i will give the united states congress 100 days to pull their act together bring all these good ideas [1:27:16] together and put a bill on my desk for signature and if they do not i will take executive action and i will put in [1:27:22] place the most comprehensive background check policy we've had i will require the atf to take the [1:27:30] licenses of gun dealers who violate the law and i will ban by executive order the importation of [1:27:35] assault weapons because i'm going to tell you as a prosecutor i have seen more autopsy photographs than [1:27:40] i care to tell you i have hugged more mothers who are the mothers of homicide victims and i have [1:27:46] attended more police officer funerals it is enough it is enough there have been plenty of good ideas for [1:27:52] members of the united states congress there's been no action as president i will take action [1:27:56] mayor buddha judge i want to bring you in on this a lot of discussion about assault rifles that are [1:28:02] often short-handed as military style weapons you are the only person on this stage tonight with [1:28:08] military experience as a veteran of the afghanistan war will military families does that inform your [1:28:15] thinking on this view do you believe that military families or america's veterans will in at large have [1:28:21] a different take on this than the other americans who we've been talking about and who congressman [1:28:26] swalwell is appealing to with his buyback program yeah of course because we trained on some of these [1:28:30] kinds of weapons look every part of my life experience informs this being the mayor of a city where the [1:28:36] worst part of the job is dealing with violence we lose a as many as were lost at parkland every two or [1:28:43] three years in my city alone and this is tearing communities apart if more guns made us safer we'd [1:28:52] be the safest country on earth it doesn't work that way and common sense measures like universal [1:29:00] background checks can't seem to get delivered by washington even when most republicans let alone [1:29:05] most americans agree it's the right thing to do and as somebody who trained on weapons of war [1:29:10] i can tell you that there are weapons that have absolutely no place in american cities or [1:29:15] neighborhoods in peacetime ever vice president biden 30 seconds a real 30 seconds a real 30 seconds okay [1:29:24] i'm the only person that's beaten the nra nationally i'm the guy that got the brady bill passed the [1:29:28] background checks number one number two we increased that background check was when uh during the obama [1:29:35] biden administration i'm also the only guy that got assault weapons banned banned and the number of clips in a [1:29:41] gun banned and so folks look and i would buy back those weapons we already started talking about [1:29:47] that we try to get it done i think it can be done and it should be demanded that we do it and that's [1:29:53] a good expenditure money and lastly we should have smart guns no gun should be able to be sold unless your [1:29:59] biometric measure could pull that trigger it's within our right to do that we can do that our enemy is [1:30:05] the gun manufacturers not the nra the gun manufacturer but the nra is taking [1:30:11] orders from the gun manufacturers lester holt has our next question lester take all right chuck this [1:30:16] is a question uh from our viewers we put some uh suggestions that asked maybe they could share [1:30:20] some here's one that came from kathleen from canby oregon who writes many fear the current administration [1:30:26] has inflicted irrevocable harm on our governing institutions and norms and in the process on our [1:30:32] reputation abroad the question is what do you see as important early steps in reversing the damage done [1:30:39] and we'll put this one to senator bennett thank you very much what an excellent question first of all [1:30:44] we have to restore uh our democracy at home the rest of the world is looking for us for leadership [1:30:51] we have a president who doesn't believe in the rule of law he doesn't believe in freedom of the [1:30:55] press he doesn't believe in independent judiciary he believes in the corruption that he's brought to [1:31:01] washington dc and that is what we have to change and that's why everybody is up here tonight [1:31:06] and i appreciate the fact that they're up here for that reason second we've got to we've got to [1:31:11] restore the relationships that he's destroyed with our allies not just in europe he flew to the g20 [1:31:18] last night and attacked japan germany and a third ally of ours without saying anything about north korea [1:31:25] or russia and when you've got a situation where you have a president who says something happened [1:31:32] in the straits of hormuz and the whole world doesn't know whether to believe it or not that is [1:31:38] a huge problem when it comes to the national security of the united states of america this is [1:31:43] a perfect time we need to change thank you senator bennett it's a perfect time for me to do another one of [1:31:47] these down the line and this is what this question is which is you're going to have to re you're likely [1:31:52] going to have to reset a relationship between america and another country or entity if you become [1:31:58] president because of perhaps because of some relationship that you just mentioned about [1:32:03] president trump what is the first relationship you like to reset as president go down the line and [1:32:09] i'll start with miss williamson well my first phone calls would be to call the european leaders and say [1:32:13] we're back because i totally understand how important it is that the united states be part of the western [1:32:19] alliance i want i'm trying to get one one or two words here it's i i hear you governor hickenlooper you [1:32:24] know i talk about constant engagement and i think the first person the first country i would go to yeah [1:32:29] but i understand they've been cheating and and stealing in offshore property would be china [1:32:32] because if we're going to do deals with public health pandemics we're going to do with all the [1:32:36] challenges of the globe we've got to have relationships with everyone mr yang we're trying [1:32:40] to squeeze in a couple more things before we go to another break mr china we need to cooperate with [1:32:44] them on climate change ai and other issues north korea thanks for the quickness mayor buddha [1:32:49] we have no idea which of our most important allies he will have pissed off worse between now and then what we [1:32:53] know is that our relationship with the entire world needs to change and it starts by modeling american [1:32:59] values at home okay mr vice president i'm trying to be quick we know nato will fall apart if he's [1:33:05] elected four more years there's a single most consequential alliance in the history of the united [1:33:09] states senator sanders it's not one country i think it is rebuilding trust in the united nations [1:33:15] and understand that we can solve conflicts without war but with diplomacy senator harris all the members of [1:33:23] the nato alliance senator gillibrain president trump is hell bent on starting a war with iran my first [1:33:29] act will be to engage iran to stabilize the middle east and make sure we do not start an unwanted never [1:33:35] ending war senator bennett quickly are european allies in every latin american country that's willing to [1:33:41] have a conversation about how to deal with the refugee crisis congressman swalow my first act in foreign [1:33:46] policy we're breaking up with russia and making up with nato thank you all thank you all we have one [1:33:52] last question for vice president biden tonight you have made your decades of experience in foreign [1:33:57] policy a pillar of your campaign but when the time came to say yes or no on one of the most [1:34:03] consequential foreign policy decisions of the last century you voted for the iraq war you have since [1:34:09] said you regret that vote but why should voters trust your judgment when it comes to making a decision [1:34:14] about taking the country to war the next time because once we once bush abused that power what happened [1:34:21] was we got elected after that i made sure the president turned to me and said joe get our [1:34:26] combat troops out of iraq i was responsible for getting 150 000 combat troops out of iraq and my son [1:34:33] was one of them i also think we should not have combat troops in afghanistan it's long overdue it should [1:34:40] end and i thirdly i believe that you're not going to find anybody who has pulled together more of [1:34:46] our alliances to deal with what is the real stateless threat out there we cannot go alone in terms of [1:34:53] dealing with terrorism so i'd eliminate the the uh the the act that allowed us to go into war and not [1:35:00] the aumf and make sure that it could only be used for what its intended was what's intent was and that [1:35:06] is to go after terrorists but never do it alone that's why we have to repair our alliances we put together [1:35:13] 65 countries to make sure we dealt with isis in iraq and other places that's what i would do [1:35:21] that's what i have done and i know how to do it senator sanders 30 seconds one of the differences [1:35:26] one of the differences that joe and i have in our record is joe voted for that war i helped lead the [1:35:32] opposition to that war which is a total disaster second of all i helped lead the effort for the first [1:35:40] time to utilize the war powers act to get the united states out of the saudi-led intervention [1:35:47] in yemen which is the most horrific humanitarian disaster on earth and thirdly let me be very clear [1:35:53] i will do everything i can to prevent a war with iran which would be far worse than disastrous war [1:36:01] senator sanders can't go to work without informed consent of the american people good news is you [1:36:05] get more time to talk but i have to sneak in one more break we will be right back with more debate [1:36:11] tends to make their case to the voters 45 seconds each we begin with congress and swalwell we can't be [1:36:39] a forward-looking party if we look to the past for our leadership i'm a congressman but also a father [1:36:44] of a two-year-old and an infant when i'm not changing diapers i'm changing washington most of the time [1:36:50] the diapers smell better i went to congress at 31 and i found a washington that doesn't work for [1:36:56] people like you and me it's made of the rich and the disconnected i was the first in my family to [1:37:00] go to college and have student loan debt and so i have led the effort to elect the next generation of [1:37:06] members of congress and we have a moment to seize this is a can-do generation this is the generation [1:37:13] that will end climate chaos this is the generation that will solve student loan debt and this is the [1:37:18] generation that will say enough is enough and end gun violence this generation demands bold solutions [1:37:23] that's why i'm running for president congressman thank you i'm sorry we haven't talked more tonight [1:37:30] about how we're going to beat donald trump i have an idea about donald trump donald trump is not going [1:37:36] to be beaten just by insider politics talk he's not going to be beaten just by somebody who has plans [1:37:42] he's going to be beaten by somebody who has an idea what this man has done this man has reached into [1:37:47] the psyche of the american people and he has harnessed fear for political purposes so mr president [1:37:53] if you're listening i want you to hear me please you have harnessed fear for political purposes and [1:37:58] only love can cast that out so i sir i have a feeling you know what you're doing i'm going to harness [1:38:05] love for political purposes i will meet you on that field and sir love will win thank you senator bennett [1:38:13] thank you thank you my mom and her parents came to the united states to rebuild their shattered lives [1:38:22] three in the only country that they could 300 years before that my parents family came searching [1:38:27] religious freedom here the ability for one generation to do better than the next is now severely at risk in [1:38:34] the united states especially among children living in poverty like the ones i used to work for [1:38:40] in the denver public schools that's why i'm running for president i've had two tough races in colorado [1:38:46] by bringing people together not by making empty promises and i believe we need to build a broad [1:38:52] coalition of americans to beat donald trump and the corruption in washington and build a new era of [1:38:59] of american democracy and american opportunity this is going to be hard to do but it's what our parents [1:39:05] would have expected it's what our kids deserve i hope you'll join me in this effort thank you thank [1:39:10] you governor i'm a small business owner who brought that same scrappy spirit to make colorado [1:39:18] one of the most progressive states in america we expanded reproductive health to to reduce teenage [1:39:26] abortion by 64 percent we're the first state to legalize marijuana and we transformed our justice [1:39:32] system in the process we passed universal background checks in a purple state we got to [1:39:36] near universal health care coverage we attacked climate change with the toughest methane regulations [1:39:42] in the country and for the last three years we've been the number one economy in america you don't [1:39:47] need big government to do big things i know that because i'm the one person up here who's actually [1:39:52] done the big progressive things everyone else is talking about if we turn towards socialism we run the [1:39:59] risk of helping to reelect the worst president in american history thank you governor senator gilbrim [1:40:05] you have the four for 45 seconds women in america women in america are on fire we've marched we've [1:40:13] organized we've run for office and we've won but our rights are under attack like never before by [1:40:19] president trump and the republicans who want to repeal roe v wade which is why i went to the front lines [1:40:25] in georgia to fight for them as president i will take on the fights that no one else will [1:40:32] i stood up to the pentagon and repealed don't ask don't tell i've stood up to the banks and voted [1:40:37] against the bailout twice i've stood up to trump more than any other senator in the u.s senate and [1:40:43] i have the most comprehensive approach for getting money out of politics with publicly funded elections [1:40:48] to deal with political corruption now is not the time to play it safe now is not the time to be afraid [1:40:56] of firsts we need a president who will take on the big challenges even if she stands alone join me [1:41:02] in fighting for this senator gillibrand thank you mr yang you have 45 seconds for your closing first i [1:41:08] want to thank everyone who put me on the stage tonight i am proof that our democracy still works [1:41:13] democrats and americans around the country have one question for their nominee and that is who can [1:41:18] beat donald trump in 2020 that is the right question and the right candidate to beat donald trump [1:41:23] will be solving the problems that got donald trump elected and will have a vision of a trickle-up [1:41:27] economy that is already drawing thousands of disaffected trump voters conservatives independents [1:41:33] and libertarians as well as democrats and progressives i am that candidate i can build a much broader [1:41:38] coalition to beat donald trump it is not left it is not right it is forward and that is where i'll take [1:41:44] the country in 2020 mr yang thank you senator senator harris the floor is yours thank you well i just want to [1:41:53] leave you with a couple of things um one we need a nominee uh who has the ability to prosecute the [1:42:00] case against four more years of donald trump and i will do that second this election is about you [1:42:07] this is about your hopes and your dreams and your fears and what wakes you up at three o'clock in the [1:42:14] morning and that's why i have what i call a 3 a.m agenda that is about everything from what we need to [1:42:21] do to deliver health care to how you will be able to pay the bills by the end of the month [1:42:26] and when i think about what our country needs i promise you i will be a president who leads [1:42:32] with a sense of dignity with honesty speaking the truth and giving the american family all that they [1:42:40] need to get through the end of the month in a way that allows them to prosper so i hope to earn your [1:42:46] support please join us at kamala harris.org senator thank you mayor buddha just 45 seconds nothing [1:42:55] about politics is theoretical for me i've had the experience of writing a letter to my family putting [1:43:02] it in an envelope marked just in case and leaving it where they would know where to find it in case i [1:43:07] didn't come back from afghanistan i have the experience of being in a marriage that exists by the grace of [1:43:13] a single vote on the u.s supreme court i have the experience of guiding a community where the per capita [1:43:19] income was below twenty thousand dollars when i took office into a brighter future i'm running [1:43:25] because the decisions we make in the next three or four years are going to decide how the next 30 or 40 [1:43:29] go and when i get to the current age of the current president in the year 2055 i want to be able to [1:43:34] look back on these years and say my generation delivered climate solutions racial equality and an [1:43:40] end to endless war help me deliver that new generation to washington before it's too late thank you [1:43:46] i suspect people all over the country who are watching this debate are saying these are good [1:43:56] people they have great ideas but how come nothing really changes how come for the last 45 years [1:44:03] wages have been stagnant for the middle class how come we have the highest rate of childhood poverty how [1:44:09] come 45 million people still have student debt how come three people own more wealth than the bottom half [1:44:15] of america and here is the answer nothing will change unless we have the guts to take on wall street the [1:44:26] insurance industry the pharmaceutical industry the military industrial complex and the fossil fuel [1:44:33] industry if we don't have the guts to take them on we'll continue to have plans we'll continue to have [1:44:40] talk and the rich will get richer and everybody else will be struggling thank you senator we'll hear [1:44:49] from vice president biden sir you have 45 seconds thank you very much uh i'm going to lead this country [1:44:55] because i think it's important we restore the soul of this nation this president has ripped it out [1:44:59] he's the only president in our history who has equated racist and and and white supremacist with ordinary [1:45:06] and decent people he's the only president who has actually engaged and embraced dictators and thumbed [1:45:12] her nose at our allies i'm secondly running for president because i think we have to restore [1:45:17] the backbone of america the poor and hard-working middle-class people you can't do that without [1:45:22] replacing them with the dignity they once had lastly we got to unite the united states america as much as [1:45:28] anybody says we can if we do there's not a single thing the american people can't do this is the united [1:45:34] states of america we can do anything if we're together together so god bless you all and may god [1:45:41] protect our troops thanks president biden's a range of issues 20 candidates in all we want [1:45:54] to thank all of the candidates last night seriously it takes guts to run and stick your neck out like [1:45:58] this to you guys and to the 10 last night um thanks for having the guts to do i would also like to thank [1:46:03] the audience for completely ignoring our suggestion not to react thank you to everyone at the adrian [1:46:15] our center for hosting us here and our terrific audiences over terrific for samana jose chuck and [1:46:23] rachel i'm lester hall good night everyone from miami what a debate tonight good evening i'm morgan [1:47:41] radford and welcome back to our special coverage of the second night of the first democratic debates [1:47:47] of the 2020 election cycle right here on nbc news now there you have it two nights 20 candidates [1:47:54] the candidates are walking off the stage as we speak joe biden bernie sanders kamala harris p buddha [1:47:59] judge were in the front they were the front runners coming into tonight but there were also a number [1:48:05] of people on stage who wanted to make a name for themselves and they did come out swinging they talked [1:48:11] about race immigration police violence health care climate change gun control just to name a few [1:48:18] and those candidates tried to stake their claim on the issues many of them also tried to introduce [1:48:24] themselves to some americans who are meeting them tonight for the first time here are some of the [1:48:29] highlights we think it is time for change real change i was six years old when a presidential candidate [1:48:36] came to the california democratic convention and said it's time to pass the torch to a new generation of [1:48:43] americans that candidate was then senator joe biden joe biden was right when he said it was time [1:48:49] to pass the torch to a new generation of americans 32 years ago he's still right today hey guys you [1:48:55] know what america does not want to witness a food fight they want to know how we're going to put food [1:48:59] on their table yeah raise your hand if government if your government plan would provide coverage for [1:49:05] undocumented immigrants ladies and gentlemen we don't have a health care system in the united states [1:49:14] we have a sickness care system in the united states and i will ensure that the the this microphone [1:49:21] that the president of the united states holds in her hand is used in a way that is for a party that [1:49:31] associates itself with christianity to say that it is okay to suggest that god would smile on the [1:49:38] division of families at the hands of federal agents that god would condone putting children in cages has [1:49:45] lost all claim to ever use religious language again if you forcibly take a child from their parents arms [1:49:51] you're kidnapping them with sophisticated 21st century border security not a medieval wall and the [1:49:58] president has turned the border of the united states into a symbol of nativist hostility that the whole [1:50:05] world is looking at when what we should be represented by is the statue of liberty which has brought my [1:50:11] parents to this country to begin with we need to make a change i am determined to bring about a day [1:50:18] when a white person driving a vehicle and a black person driving a vehicle when they see a police [1:50:23] officer approaching feels the exact same thing we're going to get to you hang on we're going to get [1:50:28] stage i would like to speak on the issue of race and i'm going to now direct this at vice president [1:50:36] biden um i do not believe you are a racist and i agree with you when you commit yourself to the [1:50:45] importance of finding common ground but i also believe and it's personal and i was actually very it was [1:50:51] hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two united states senators who built their reputations [1:51:01] and career on the segregation of race in this country it's a mischaracterization my position across [1:51:08] the board i did not praise racist do you agree today do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose [1:51:17] busing in america do you agree i did not oppose busing in america what i opposed is busing ordered [1:51:24] by the department of education that's what i opposed well there was a failure of states to to [1:51:30] integrate public schools in america i was part of the second class to integrate berkeley california [1:51:36] public schools almost two decades after brown v board of education because your city council made [1:51:42] that decision it was a local decision that's where the federal government must step in that's why we [1:51:46] have the voting rights act and the civil need to pass the era because there are moments in history [1:51:56] where states fail to preserve the civil rights of all people who do you want when that door closes to [1:52:02] be sitting behind that desk to fight for women's rights i have been the fiercest advocate for women's [1:52:07] reproductive freedom for over a decade i would pass a one thousand dollar freedom dividend for every [1:52:12] american adult starting at age 18 which would speed us up on climate change because if you get the boot [1:52:17] off of people's throats they'll focus on climate change much more clearly governor we must be a [1:52:20] country who loves our children more than we love our guns if more guns made us safer we'd be the safest [1:52:27] country on earth it doesn't work that way here to help me dive into all of those issues we heard [1:52:34] tonight on the debate stage we've got nancy santiago vice president of hispanics and philanthropy [1:52:38] and philanthropy politico's alex thompson msnbc political analyst zerlina maxwell who do you think [1:52:45] won the debate tonight alex oh it was kamala harris and that exchange that she had with vice president [1:52:51] biden is going to be the moment that's remembered in this debate it's also one of the most substantive [1:52:56] disagreements debates on race and civil rights that we've ever seen in a presidential debate [1:53:01] and it's not even over because kamala's campaign is already saying biden needs to apologize for his past [1:53:06] positions on busing and there's an open question biden in there defended his past views the department [1:53:13] of education should not go in and enforce busing that's not clear that's plaudible for this modern [1:53:18] day democratic party and they're going to keep pushing him to apologize and change his position [1:53:23] do you think he was right zerlina to double down when she held his feet to the fire no he was absolutely [1:53:28] wrong he's wrong and and she articulated fundamentally i think a really important debate in the democratic [1:53:34] party which is the role of the federal government when it steps in when states are not doing um what [1:53:39] the supreme court says it should do right the federal government is the only entity big enough and strong [1:53:45] enough to comment and say no you're going to admit these schools and integrate schools and so her point [1:53:51] on the substance is correct so he was absolutely wrong in that moment and wrong to double down and nancy [1:53:57] you were there last night in miami correct that's right one thing i could not help but notice was the [1:54:03] way that identity politics was treated tonight versus last night to me and tell me if i'm wrong [1:54:09] it felt like last night was more about who i am and tonight was more about what i've experienced you [1:54:14] saw the candidates connect on things like healthcare saying look i've had a sick dad or i've had a terminal [1:54:19] illness and it seemed to be about the marrow of their experiences do you think that affected why that [1:54:25] moment with kamala was so powerful well i don't think it was that per se for me having been in the [1:54:31] audience because there was some identity politics last night and it was really around the immigration [1:54:34] piece it's not black and white right this is a very different thing so in that respect there was [1:54:40] some and that was a little heated exchange between beto and julian castro right and so if you think [1:54:45] about that piece it just played out differently what i think the problem or the the missed opportunity for [1:54:52] biden was that he had a chance to model for america how to say i'm sorry let's fix this because she said [1:54:59] i was hurt personally that was his moment yeah to show america how you do come together to show [1:55:05] america how you bridge that because he said i'm the bridge we'll then do that and that didn't happen [1:55:10] in the exchange with i think she spoke for other black people too because i think saying that it was [1:55:15] hurtful it's not saying that like we need to have a march on washington to protest joe biden right i mean [1:55:20] that we're just saying that you know your words had an impact in a negative way because it seemed like [1:55:25] you didn't understand what you were saying in the moment you are complimenting not praising specifically [1:55:31] to be clear but but saying something complimentary about segregationists seems like something you [1:55:36] should not say as a democrat who wants to win the nomination and speaking of that what i think was [1:55:40] so powerful was when she said hey i do not think you're a racist because for any of us who are out in [1:55:47] the field we hear that word being thrown around being used just because you voted for trump [1:55:52] automatically you're a racist automatically this and to to say very plainly hey i think i believe [1:55:59] i know what's in your heart but this is an issue about policy and that's why we're all standing here [1:56:04] on the debate stage do you think however that she's keeping this issue around she as you mentioned [1:56:10] she said the word praise praising the segregationist which he didn't he said he didn't do and he said he [1:56:15] didn't do that do you think she and even senator booker are keeping this issue alive for political [1:56:21] reasons sure yeah yeah i mean yes alex is like okay okay yeah only one of them can be president [1:56:29] she's gonna prosecute that case that doesn't mean that the feelings aren't sincere right and that she [1:56:34] wasn't offended and that she wasn't hurt but she's going to keep pushing this because she wants to show [1:56:40] that she can not only prosecute the case against trump she's going to prosecute the case against the [1:56:44] frontrunner right now and prove that she can take him down i think that's what tonight was about for [1:56:48] her speaking about looking like somebody wanted to win the election she's not she didn't come in [1:56:52] tonight just to you know go up in the polls a little bit she came out tonight with the conviction [1:56:57] i mean it was almost like in the eyes she had conviction she looked directly into the camera at [1:57:02] the american people and and said things you know with such confidence when i'm president when i'm in [1:57:08] the she will hold the mic in her hand right i mean those are that it's subtle but you know i i don't [1:57:14] know if you feel this way as well but you know carol mosley brawn in 2004 obviously was the first [1:57:20] african american woman um i have not i didn't watch that was the 90s right and i and i didn't watch the [1:57:26] debate um this is the first time in my you know adult life i've seen a black woman let's just make [1:57:31] sure we pause for our audience yes so senator harris is correct first african-american female senator but [1:57:36] back in the day in the 90s this is who was at the debate stage so we from illinois there are three black [1:57:42] women total that i've ever run um but this is the first time in my adult life i've seen a black [1:57:46] woman on stage at this level and to see them show up and not just be happy to be there and be [1:57:51] participating that they're taking it to the front runner not just the front runner but the former [1:57:55] vice president to the first black president i think that she's going to win over a lot of fans who [1:58:01] again going back to the ap poll i cited at the beginning she's the number one on the list of people [1:58:06] who want to learn more about her so nancy i have to get you to weigh on in on this for me why was [1:58:13] that moment with kamala tonight read so differently than that moment with beto yesterday when he was [1:58:21] speaking spanish it's one of those moments we've been using the word appropriation quite a bit it [1:58:27] was that moment of come on not here let's not do this right now but this is this is broadcast on [1:58:33] telemundo pa que la gente sepa so that everyone knows there were people latino people in the [1:58:39] audience so he was speaking spanish also to absolutely a latino audience but it was one of [1:58:44] those moments what we saw happen in julian and mind you julian had nothing to lose last night it was [1:58:49] one to pay and everything again that fire in the belly came out and i think beto really dragged it out [1:58:55] of him with that moment because he's like let's not go there because we're going to talk about this [1:58:59] not with some cute spanish but but what it really is and here are the policies that you're not [1:59:04] answering to that you're not talking about how you're going to change and again no one tonight [1:59:08] mentioned 1325 right everything only julian did yesterday that's right and nothing happened today [1:59:13] and what we're still we're in 1325 for our audience asylum just they understand well it's 1325 is what [1:59:19] makes it illegal to get across a border without a document right that's what makes it illegal it could be [1:59:25] a civil offense it doesn't have to be a criminal one but this is this is the struggle so that right [1:59:30] there's what's causing it and make no mistake about it nobody brought up the raids that are pending [1:59:34] the city of philadelphia my hometown is about to be one of the largest staging sites for what we will [1:59:39] see again as family deportations and they're coming no one brought it up so i think what happened [1:59:44] is you know speaking spanish is nice doing something matters yeah and that's what i think really got in [1:59:50] his crawl last night and that's what we saw come out there was a fire in the belly that i have never [1:59:55] seen that i was incredibly excited to see last night and then when you see everybody kind of [1:59:59] googling him like where did he come from i think we're going to have the same reaction to senator [2:00:04] harrison although many more people know who she is but there was a different senator that was on that [2:00:08] stage tonight well we did just find out that in terms of google searches the google search for kamala [2:00:13] harris increased by 500 percent tonight since the debate began and she was the top search among all of [2:00:19] the candidates but one candidate we did not speak about interestingly in this post-debate show but we were [2:00:24] speaking about in the pre-debate show with senator sanders yeah so what happened did he hurt or did he [2:00:31] help his lead tonight well he clearly came in not wanting to engage biden there was all the speculation [2:00:37] that he was going to take on biden and even on one of the signature issues really a layup for bernie [2:00:42] about the iraq war vote in 2003 where bernie was in the congress and voted the opposite way he mentioned it [2:00:49] showed they disagreed and then moved on to other issues he clearly didn't want to get in a jousting [2:00:54] match with biden was he scared we'd have to we should ask him i think it was a strategic calculation [2:01:00] though i think he came in there ready to to back down and to stick to his issues talk about medicare [2:01:06] for all and not try to get in a sluggy match with biden alex speaking of asking the candidates i want [2:01:12] to do just that right now with nbc's very own von hilliard he is there in miami in the spin room von who [2:01:19] have you been able to talk to tonight oh i see the camera's moving there he is he's pulling over [2:01:24] senator bennett okay von two senators to your left there to your right they're on the stage senator [2:01:29] bernie sanders and senator kamala harris and they raised their hands when they said talked about [2:01:34] eliminating private health insurance from your experience in the senate and from working on such [2:01:38] legislation what is it that they're missing in this equation here well i think what they're missing [2:01:43] first of all they were honest about what's in the bill which is good because there are some people [2:01:47] who say that it doesn't eliminate private insurance that it's somehow like australia's [2:01:52] system which i think is a good system where you have both private and public insurance so that's [2:01:56] point one credit for honesty second i think what they're missing is that there are a lot of people [2:02:01] in america as bernie said tonight there are a lot of people that hate private insurance and that's true [2:02:05] i hear from a lot of people like that there are also a lot of people that like the insurance that [2:02:10] they have and want to keep it and i think if the objective is getting to universal health care coverage [2:02:16] as quickly as we can giving people an option to choose for their family i think is absolutely [2:02:22] going to be the fastest way i think we will be dead before we take it away from people that are [2:02:28] holding it um at their homes or with their families and and that's why i just don't think it'll work [2:02:36] there was a surprise when senator harris raised your hand to that response there and i think there's [2:02:40] a concern among a lot of people that what impact does that have in a general election [2:02:44] first of all i you make i wasn't surprised because i think she's for it and she has said that she [2:02:49] wants it i think that in states like colorado and other states where uh that we need to win the [2:02:55] majority in the senate um we're gonna have a hard time if the if the position of the democratic party [2:03:01] is we're gonna take insurance away from 180 million people remember what was what happened after [2:03:07] the affordable care act president obama said if you like your insurance you can keep it a relatively [2:03:13] small number of people lost it because of the way the the system came into place and and that was [2:03:19] a political disaster and it continues to be one today so imagine a situation where what we're saying [2:03:24] to people is if you like your insurance uh we're going to take it away from you that doesn't seem to [2:03:30] be what we should be arguing what we should be arguing is for universal health care coverage [2:03:35] and we can achieve that through a public option and i think we can achieve it quickly and with [2:03:40] much less disruption and by the way everybody who has private insurance and who hates it [2:03:45] no longer needs it because they can come on to medicarex one last question for you there was the [2:03:50] conversation about passing the torch to a next generation do you believe that two men in the [2:03:56] middle of the middle of that stage should pass that i think it's time i mean i'd answer bernie's [2:04:00] question that he asked at the very end by saying look yeah it's true 40 years of economic [2:04:06] uh immobility in this country and we haven't figured out how to address it i think it's time for a new [2:04:12] generation of leadership in the country i agree with that senator michael bennett thank you thanks [2:04:15] for having me good to see you von does senator bennett does he consider himself part of this new [2:04:22] generation of leadership von oak okay i think von we we lost him to the spin room which is where he ought to [2:04:31] be getting more answers from those candidates nbc's von hilliard thank you so much for joining us and [2:04:36] thank you for watching stay tuned because we're just going to take a very short break we'll be right [2:04:41] here with special coverage of the first presidential debate on nbc news now stay tuned thanks for so [2:04:58] much for joining us here on nbc news now and one of the big issues that the candidates hit early was [2:05:04] their plans for health care we also heard a lot about that from candidate stalwell who is now talking to [2:05:09] nbc's von hilliard von hilliard let us know what stalwell said let's go ahead and talk to him he's [2:05:15] there right behind you i want to specifically ask about the question he placed to joe biden about [2:05:21] torchbearers can we ask about that yeah congressman swalwell morgan the question right off the top [2:05:29] was essentially the idea of passing the torch why come right off the top with that as being the [2:05:34] question to vice president biden there's an urgency to the issues that this generation faces student loan [2:05:39] debt i have it 40 million others have it it's persisted for the last 40 years we need someone [2:05:43] who's going to do something now gun violence send my kids to school and worry about their safety so [2:05:49] many millions of americans do as well we can't wait for anyone else to evolve on this issue we need [2:05:54] someone who understands the immediacy to act and third on climate we can't have a middle of the road [2:06:00] strategy on this the urgency to act means that we have to invest immediately in a green new deal type [2:06:05] of plan and so you know joe biden was right 32 years ago when he said it's time to pass the torch [2:06:09] to a new generation of leaders i'm standing on that stage as someone who's ready to receive that [2:06:14] torch could you not make the argument that vice president biden or bernie sanders have had that [2:06:17] experience and have had that history though that lends them credibility at this moment in time to make [2:06:22] the case as to what policies do you press forward deep respect for bernie sanders and joe biden i just [2:06:27] happen to think that these issues are so urgent that we can't count on people who've been around for [2:06:32] dozens of decades as these problems have still persisted we need new eyes on this problem set [2:06:37] new energy to solve them i'm ready to do that so the question is there's 20 people on this debate [2:06:42] stage you're not the only one in your generation if i may why you among the generation that includes [2:06:48] senator kamala harris and mayor bouddha judge well i'd say i'm day one ready i've been in congress for [2:06:52] seven years and i've shaped washington more than it's shaped me i've led a group effort to bring more [2:06:57] young members to congress they have over 50 members in their 40s and under so i see a moment to [2:07:01] seize but i'm also in the house intelligence community one of only three people in the house [2:07:05] that has the deepest access to the molar report i know the threat this president is to our country [2:07:09] i'll be ready to lead on day one i'm going to pass a question to you from morgan i want to ask a [2:07:13] question for mr solwell there one of the audience members on twitter said that the torchbearers have [2:07:19] not earned the trust of the people yet why does he think that the younger generation and the american [2:07:25] electorate should trust him as that torchbearer there are some folks that have suggested that [2:07:33] this younger generation has not earned the trust yet in order to have that torch be passed especially [2:07:37] when they are in the roles that they are and still have much credibility that are named [2:07:42] and what way have you earned that trust why why should people actually trust you i went to congress [2:07:47] at 31 years old and i saw a lot of millionaires a lot of people disconnected and so i went right to [2:07:52] work no freshman democrat passed more legislation in the minority than i did my freshman year i'm on the [2:07:58] house intelligence committee i've gone to the war zones i've met with foreign leaders i've taken classified [2:08:01] briefings i only senator harris and i on that stage have access to the most amount of classified [2:08:06] information today so i'm ready day one to lead this so then why not senator harris well i'm a big fan [2:08:11] of senator harris i think we bring different experiences for me i bring working class background [2:08:18] born in iowa educated in the south married to a hoosier elected in a diverse part of california i know [2:08:24] this country and i can represent it and beat donald trump congressman swalwell thank you thank you [2:08:28] morgan congressman swalwell thank you so much and von hilliard thank you please stay in the spin room [2:08:33] we'd love to come back to you a little bit later again that was nbc's von hilliard and as you just [2:08:38] heard from congressman swalwell one of the big issues that the candidates hit early was their plans for [2:08:43] health care from obamacare to medicare for all covering undocumented immigrants and doing away with [2:08:49] private health plans everything was on the table tonight and the candidates got right into it take a look [2:08:57] who here would abolish their private health insurance in favor of a government-run plan [2:09:04] all right when my wife and daughter were killed in an automobile accident my two boys were really very [2:09:13] badly injured i couldn't imagine what it'd be like if i had not had adequate health care available [2:09:18] immediately and then when my son came home from iraq after a year was diagnosed with terminal cancer [2:09:24] and he was given months to live i can't fathom what would have happened if in fact they said by the [2:09:29] way the last six months of your life you're on your own we're cutting off you've used up your time [2:09:35] the fact of the matter is that the quickest fastest way to do it is build on obamacare we will have [2:09:41] medicare for all when tens of millions of people are prepared to stand up and tell the insurance [2:09:48] companies and the drug companies that their day is gone that health care is a human right not something [2:09:55] to make huge profits all right this one's very personal for me i started out this year dealing [2:10:01] with the terminal illness of my father but the thing we had going for us was that we never had [2:10:05] to make those decisions based on whether it was going to bankrupt our family because of medicare and i [2:10:11] want every family to have that same freedom to do what is medically right ladies and gentlemen we don't [2:10:16] have a health care system in the united states we have a sickness care system in the united states [2:10:23] raise your hand if govern if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants [2:10:28] you cannot let people who are sick no matter where they come from no matter what their status [2:10:37] go uncovered you can't do that it's just going to be taken care of period you have to it's a humane [2:10:41] thing to do but here's the deal they in fact contribute to the well-being of the country but they [2:10:47] also for example they've increased the lifespan of social security because they have a job they're paying [2:10:52] the social security tax that's what they're doing it's increased the lifespan they would do the same [2:10:56] thing in terms of reducing the overall cost of health care by them being able to be treated and not [2:11:02] wait till they're an extremist when we beat president trump and mitch mcconnell walks into the over [2:11:08] office god forbid to do negotiations who do you want when that door closes to be sitting behind that [2:11:13] desk to fight for women's rights i have been the fiercest advocate for women's reproductive freedom for [2:11:19] over a decade and i promise you as president senator when that door closes i will guarantee women's [2:11:24] reproductive freedom no matter what thank you as you just saw the gloves were off tonight but how [2:11:32] many of those claims were true nbc's jane tim is in miami right now where she's been fact checking [2:11:38] the candidates jane what caught your eye tonight hey morgan tonight was definitely a much dicier [2:11:45] night than last night a lot of different facts flying some of them right some of them not right [2:11:50] one of the first things that jumped out at me was senator kamala harris saying democrats you know [2:11:54] the economy isn't working for some people because people are working multiple jobs this is something [2:11:59] we hear a lot from the left because the economy looks pretty good and it's one of trump's biggest [2:12:03] claims for re-election but the bureau of labor statistics tracks how many people actually work [2:12:08] multiple jobs it's about five percent of america that's eight million people so quite a lot of people [2:12:14] you can say there's a lot of people doing it but it's actually down slightly from the last 20 years ago [2:12:19] a couple other things that jumped out at me mayor pete butichage talking about the pathway to [2:12:23] citizenship the fact that the vast majority of americans actually support something some kind of [2:12:28] pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants this is true we have a gallup poll that says 81 [2:12:33] percent of americans feel this way a couple other things a lot of people say medicare for all [2:12:38] doesn't abolish all private insurance it does for everything but cosmetic care which is not what [2:12:43] most people think about for insurance purposes the big one of course is biden and busing so kamala [2:12:50] harris went straight after biden for his talk his opposition of busing years ago and how he his [2:12:58] policies and how he worked with segregationists and this is true she's careful in what she says [2:13:03] but biden absolutely worked with about segregationists in order to oppose busing his constituents opposed it [2:13:10] and he opposed it and it's one of the things that's really hitting him hard right now as he tries to [2:13:14] say he can take the banner for his party in the 2020 election but people in his party say that maybe [2:13:20] he is not where the mainstream of the party is now which is interesting jane because that's the moment that [2:13:26] for every one of our panelists here that really caught their eye this question on busing and the fact [2:13:31] that senator harris did hold his feet to the fire so we definitely appreciate you clearing that up for us [2:13:36] jane tim thanks for being with us live from miami right now we're going to take a very quick break [2:13:40] but we hope that you stay with us for special coverage of the first presidential democratic debate [2:13:46] right here on nbc news now welcome back to nbc news now let's go straight to our very own dasha burns [2:13:57] who's watching the debate tonight with a few college students from all across the country dasha what stood [2:14:03] out to the students tonight who do they think really captured their attention oh man it was a lively room in [2:14:12] here tonight a lot of hot takes and i'm going to ask for them now guys you had a lot to say while [2:14:17] we were watching and i and i want those top line reactions right now what what stood out about the [2:14:22] candidates and and what was your take on on the debate overall tonight especially compared with last [2:14:26] night well i think vice president biden and senator sanders both buckled under the pressure of being [2:14:31] front runners you know it seemed like when the heat really got turned up on them they couldn't [2:14:34] hold their own and i think that that's pretty big of you know are they going to be able to [2:14:39] last in this field and you know for somebody like vice president biden if you know kamala harris was [2:14:44] pretty tough on him tonight the president's going to be tough on him in a general election is he going [2:14:48] to be able to handle that um speaking of kamala harris uh i felt that even though tonight a lot of the [2:14:55] candidates were able to come at joe biden for his controversial past i think that kamala was able to [2:15:01] benefit uh from people not checking up on her particular past as she talked about um her role in [2:15:08] regards to prison reform and immigration i feel like other candidates should have held her feet [2:15:13] to the fire just as they held um joe biden um to that standard as well so that should be interesting [2:15:19] to see uh what's going to happen in the future however i do feel that she was able to make very [2:15:24] strong um quotes that are going to be headliners and from that people are going to be under the [2:15:30] impression that she quote unquote won this debate i however don't think so right so you don't think [2:15:35] people checked her enough but the fact that that didn't happen that she was able to hold joe biden's [2:15:40] feet to the fire and no one came back at her i mean does that does that what does that say about her [2:15:45] her performance definitely very worrisome in in that regard um and especially i'm going to keep going [2:15:50] back to her statements about prison reform she has a very controversial past about that and the fact [2:15:55] that nobody was able to bring that up and she was able to kind of paint the narrative of an individual [2:16:02] that has always been fighting for these rights is uh somewhat problematic to me but did she resonate [2:16:07] with you guys tonight i definitely was really impressed by what she had to say tonight and i [2:16:11] feel like her current positions and the current things that she was saying really resonated with me [2:16:16] um but i definitely feel like what she really brought out of um joe biden was like a lot of [2:16:21] disappointment that i felt hearing about the fact that he kind of doubled down on that past position [2:16:26] and she was really able to make it seem um or at least to kind of bring out the the nasty racial [2:16:33] tensions there um and the fact that he still kind of holds some of those old views today so yeah i mean [2:16:40] you guys when i asked you about joe biden before the debate i asked who was excited nobody raised their [2:16:47] hands uh what did what did his performance tonight do uh to change your opinion of him he was a distraction [2:16:54] i feel like the entire debate because uh a lot of the candidates were just using their time to [2:16:59] attack him and go to him and then he spent all of his time basically defending himself saying [2:17:03] oh this is what i did this is what i did and he very rarely talked about what he actually planned [2:17:07] to do there wasn't a lot of substance with that that's why i was more interested in some of the [2:17:11] candidates like uh pete budaj and andrew yang because they were just more focused on what they [2:17:17] were actually planning to do and even though they didn't get as many opportunities to speak [2:17:21] as some of the headliners they actually use their time to explain what they plan to do right i mean [2:17:26] we talked about how you guys are interested in hearing substance you're interested in hearing [2:17:30] about policy you talked about wanting a more civil discourse trying to elevate the rhetoric how did the [2:17:37] candidates do with that tonight and compare that to last night as well i feel that was the most [2:17:42] disappointing thing about tonight that we did get to see some of their personalities but we didn't [2:17:46] really get to see their policies and how they distinguish each each of themselves through their [2:17:51] policy that's what we didn't get to see and that was the most disappointing that i really don't know [2:17:56] what their plan is going to be and how they set themselves apart from each other i think it's very [2:18:00] clear what the candidates are against at this point and that's what we commonly heard they're against [2:18:04] trump they're against wall street but what i liked about kamala harris and pete budaj in particular [2:18:09] is they were very distinctly for something kamala harris for example laid out that plan to give a [2:18:14] credit to people making below 100 000 a year that was really impressive it kind of made her stand [2:18:19] out as a advocate for the working middle class and that's more of what i want to see in these future [2:18:24] democratic debates did you guys get any clarity from tonight and even from both nights in terms of [2:18:30] who you think will get your support and be able to last in this race i think it's funny how tonight was [2:18:39] supposed to be the night where individuals were supposed to be more excited considering the big name [2:18:44] candidates uh that were gathered together but unfortunately i personally believe that [2:18:50] uh yesterday's debate was a lot more based on actual policies that the candidates want to be [2:18:56] able to focus on uh especially the conversations that we were all having before and especially what [2:19:01] you said um unfortunately tonight it was just all about trump trump trump trump trump and again it's like [2:19:07] yes we already know what trump is we already know what trump stands for we get it what are you going [2:19:13] to do as an individual to help us we are a younger generation that's not going to do what our parents [2:19:18] did and just accept what you say to us we want to make sure that when you get into office you are going [2:19:22] to stand by what you mean all right so night one actually seems like it won with you guys that that [2:19:29] that took the cake so who won from both nights let's start with you no one oh well tonight no one won [2:19:35] but yesterday was julian uh castro i think julian won for both nights because he was actually to show [2:19:41] his personality and also his policy um i think castro from last night definitely but kamala harris um [2:19:48] for tonight but i would say overall probably castro would prevail i think secretary castro stands out [2:19:55] four nights like uh i thought castro did stand out uh during the last debate i also thought elizabeth [2:20:01] warren did a pretty good job uh between both nights i like castro more just because i really wasn't [2:20:08] expecting anything out of him i guess you could say and he he stood out during this debate again i [2:20:13] thought pete buddha judge did a great job and i also thought in his limited time speaking andrew yang did [2:20:17] a good job i actually think kamala harris won both nights of the debate i think she showed herself to be [2:20:24] able to uh battle another politician for uh clearly uh immoral policies in the past i liked how she [2:20:31] stood for something very clearly um and i also like that she was a very strong speaker she asserted [2:20:36] herself um and that's something i want to see in a president presidential candidate especially when [2:20:41] they take on trump wow okay so still a pretty heavy vote for castro but uh kamala definitely got the [2:20:47] spotlight tonight there you have it dash first debates done and we'll see how the rest go thank you so [2:20:53] much and thank you again to your panel of students something that joy said really struck me i want to [2:20:59] bring in our guest again joy was the young woman in the front who said that kamala didn't actually [2:21:04] win because kamala didn't get a dose of her own medicine she turned and she questioned senator [2:21:09] a former vice president biden but no one actually did that to her especially when it came to her record [2:21:14] on her prosecution record on criminal justice is that true or false did she not win because she didn't [2:21:19] have to take the heat herself that i mean that might be true um you know i'm not very well versed [2:21:25] in her prison reform issues however i really thought that she stole the show i mean i thought she [2:21:30] came off very assertive very confident she answered every question with you know she was very direct [2:21:36] and straightforward i mean i i really did think that she she came out on top i walked away i know [2:21:42] personally really having a better idea of where she stood on issues what about jackie her criminal [2:21:46] justice record yeah i mean she's received a lot of scrutiny for not being progressive enough she [2:21:52] did she was able to i think uh exploit a few opportunities in order to tout her record as [2:21:59] attorney general for example when she called out biden on the obama administration's track record with [2:22:06] in introducing family separation which she said was the one policy of her former president that she [2:22:12] was not in favor of but that's the benefit of preparation i mean she when you're on the offensive [2:22:18] you don't have to answer for the things that people aren't attacking you for and it was clear um that [2:22:23] this was something uh attacking um biden on his opposition to busting was something that they had teed up [2:22:30] she went for it and she did not let up on biden and um that was a really big moment that was the [2:22:36] defining moment of the week that's been the defining moment i think of this election so far [2:22:40] and she made it very personal she did and what about buddhaj nancy because you know when he was asked [2:22:46] about why the police force back in south bent was not very diverse he said very plainly i couldn't get [2:22:52] it done was that refreshingly honest or was that enough it was honest but it was definitely not [2:22:59] enough you fell short i mean you gave me all of the reasons why i'm sure you've given all your [2:23:04] constituents as to why it didn't get done what you didn't give me what is what will you do differently [2:23:10] right you're gonna have to break this open you can't walk in to this next stage of our presidency [2:23:17] without being able to answer that question in a very concrete way so you didn't get it done [2:23:23] understood there are a lot of things folks didn't get done what's your plan to do it differently i [2:23:27] didn't hear that at all jackie what did you think when congressman swalwell looked at him and said [2:23:32] well then fire your police chief and he didn't say anything right right and i think that was really [2:23:37] indicative of mayor pete's approach i think to politics in general right let's see the process [2:23:42] play out we're conducting an investigation i'm not going to come to any rash decisions [2:23:47] but i'm not necessarily sure that that's an answer that the public wants to see right now especially [2:23:52] in an era of our politics where things um are pretty uh aren't necessarily rules based um at least in [2:24:00] in trump's world and i think if you're comparing him to someone like julian castro uh who yesterday [2:24:05] really um you know got at uh his criminal justice reform and his policing reform and was able to [2:24:12] tout all of those policies mayor pete wasn't able to to show the same and so to me you know the [2:24:18] accountability is a step forward it's a big contrast to someone like biden but then when you [2:24:22] you know t him up next to someone like julian who has a lot of experience um as being mayor as well [2:24:28] specifics exactly it's you know that's something when they're sitting next to each other at the next [2:24:32] debate it's it's going to show well one thing that we did hear some specifics on he had very [2:24:37] words mayor pete very strong words about china he said uh china is using technology for the perfection [2:24:44] of dictatorship but did he really lay out a democratic alternative to dealing with china [2:24:49] no not really i mean you heard you heard others mention um the idea of rallying together with other [2:24:55] foreign nations to push back against china to confront their behavior certainly you heard [2:25:00] um the mention of of intellectual property um which is you know the the real issue that they [2:25:05] can rally all around pretty easily especially globally um but no not specifics i mean i think [2:25:10] with all of any foreign policy mentioned tonight i didn't really hear much specifics in general [2:25:14] and what about when he talked about nancy the pathway to citizenship he said there's 11 million [2:25:19] people waiting for a pathway to citizenship but he said the white house has divided us on a common [2:25:25] ground issue true or false well i think the polls show that it's a common issue with a common kind [2:25:32] of big end goal we disagree in the details we've been divided on this issue for a very long time [2:25:38] though and so i think that one of the things that came up was the obama record now they called [2:25:43] them the deportation chief right the deporter in chief wasn't family separation it was deportations [2:25:49] so there's a little bit of a difference there and that what we're seeing now is so violently [2:25:53] aggressive of children being taken from families and children dying very different yeah i think [2:25:57] people are very upset about something that they kind of in the big picture all agree on but i think [2:26:03] what's not being called out in all of these things from the criminal justice reform to the busing [2:26:07] situation to immigration is that the big issue on the table is still around racial equity in this [2:26:12] country and nobody's calling it out nobody wants to talk about it for what it is it's the issue of [2:26:20] racial equity and until we get comfortable about talking about it we're going to continue going [2:26:25] around in circles and it's going to surface in different ways and in different policy issues [2:26:30] but the uncomfort we saw for both biden not knowing how to respond to the that was hurtful conversation [2:26:36] to but a judge not being able to talk about i didn't get it done the the kind of almost pulling [2:26:42] back and not wanting to come back out of this a reticence to talk about it exactly but did we see a [2:26:47] reticence to talk about it because we saw someone even like marion williamson came out very frankly [2:26:51] and said look i don't think that america is actually racist but i do think they are woefully [2:26:56] undereducated on the issue of race like and even the fact that kamala said no wait a minute i'm going [2:27:01] to finish answering that question because oh by the way i'm the only person of color standing on this [2:27:05] stage do you think they were more aggressive in addressing this issue tonight yeah well i mean marion [2:27:10] williamson went out of her way to bring up the issue of reparations which has been a hot topic [2:27:13] uh that was introduced by kamala on the breakfast club um 105 one interview at the beginning of the [2:27:19] primary and she said that it would be a way to address the systemic inequality um that exists in [2:27:26] america right now and i think what was so effective about kamala talking about it was her saying having [2:27:31] such a personal so many personal anecdotes you know that vision and that tweet of her as a young girl [2:27:37] being the victim of busing and saying that there were she doesn't know anyone personally in her life any [2:27:43] african-american male who hasn't been the target of racial discrimination or or police profiling [2:27:49] that to me was something that just really really resonated which is interesting because on the same [2:27:54] issue of reparations you mentioned the breakfast club every single candidate that's come on their [2:27:58] show has been asked about this issue but even what the host of that show will say is that they've [2:28:03] not heard any specifics you say you support this in theory but what does that actually look like [2:28:07] is that addressing issues that affect the black community or is it an actual check more questions for [2:28:12] us to discuss as soon as we have to go to this break stay with us right here on nbc news now last [2:28:25] night democratic candidates held back just a little bit more when they were referencing president trump [2:28:31] but tonight was a very different story tell you something i i hear that question but where was that [2:28:39] question when the republicans and donald trump passed a tax bill that benefits the top one percent [2:28:45] the american people understand that trump is a phony that trump is a pathological liar and a racist and [2:28:54] that he lied to the american people during his campaign he said he was going to stand up for working [2:29:02] families well president trump you're not standing up for working families when you try to throw 32 million [2:29:08] people off their health care that they have and that 83 of your tax benefits go to the top one percent [2:29:16] that's how we beat trump we expose them for the fraud that he is what does donald trump do he says go [2:29:24] back to where you came from that is not reflective of our america and our values and it's got to end [2:29:30] what president trump has done is not only attack these children not only demonize these immigrants he is [2:29:36] attacking a basic principle of america's moral core we open our hearts to the stranger but the worst [2:29:44] thing president trump has done he's diverted the funds away from cross-border terrorism cross-border [2:29:50] human trafficking drug trafficking and gun trafficking and he's given that money to the [2:29:55] for-profit prisons president obama i think did a heck of a job to compare him to what what this [2:30:01] guy's doing is absolutely i find close to immoral this president though for immigrants there's nothing [2:30:08] he will not do to separate a family cage a child or erase their existence well one of the worst things [2:30:17] about president trump that he's done to this country is he's torn apart the moral fabric of who we are [2:30:23] when he started separating children at the border from their parents the fact that seven children have [2:30:29] died in his custody the fact that dozens of children have been separated from their parents and they [2:30:35] have no plan to reunite them because on day one we take out our executive order pen and we rescind [2:30:42] every damn thing on this issue that trump has done what is the greatest national security threat to [2:30:47] the united states it's donald trump and i'm going to tell you why and i'm going to tell you why because [2:30:54] i agree climate change represents an existential threat he denies the science you want to talk [2:31:00] about north korea real threat in terms of nuclear arsenal but what does he do he embraces kim jong-un [2:31:06] a dictator for the sake of a photo op so mr president if you're listening i want you to hear me please [2:31:13] you have harnessed fear for political purposes and only love can cast that out so i sir i have a feeling [2:31:19] you know what you're doing i'm going to harness love for political purposes i will meet you on that [2:31:24] field and sir love will win so for some final thoughts let's get right back to our panel sure [2:31:33] michael alex certainly not here for more was it strategic and was it smart to make trump more of [2:31:38] the focus tonight well trump certainly enjoyed it he was live tweeting this time he didn't say it was [2:31:44] boring this time and you saw him really go after the democrats for their positions on providing health [2:31:49] care to undocumented immigrants and crossing the border what did you think zirlina i mean i think [2:31:53] that they needed to talk about trump tonight i think that that was missing from last night [2:31:57] and you need to talk about donald trump because nothing about this moment is normal i think it's [2:32:02] good to show that the democrats can be the post-trump leaders of the future but we need to talk about [2:32:07] the existential threat that donald trump poses to the country what did you think sure michael did you [2:32:12] feel like this tonight just gave donald trump more fodder because of the division i mean look i think when [2:32:18] you think about this thing if i'm a democrat i'm concerned about a couple things here who can beat [2:32:22] donald trump in the states where it matters so if you look at pennsylvania trump beat hillary [2:32:27] clinton by 44 000 votes he beat hillary clinton in michigan by 10 000 votes he beat hillary clinton [2:32:33] in wisconsin by 22 000 votes and in florida by 100 000 votes those are not drastically wide margins that [2:32:39] are unbeatable so my question is if i'm going to make this case that if i am a democrat that i can beat [2:32:45] this guy how can i make up those margins that has to be the fundamental question when you're thinking [2:32:50] about electoral politics but it wasn't just about focusing on donald trump because it was also about [2:32:56] focusing on each other and then we saw kind of a similar tactic tonight that we saw last night where [2:33:01] these guys who were pulling in the single digits on the ends of the stage were coming for the guys who [2:33:06] were standing in the center of the stage we saw swalwell go for biden bennett go for bernie was that did [2:33:11] that work i think so i mean otherwise were you going to remember who is at the end of the stage i [2:33:16] mean i'm not even making that as a joke i think there are a lot of candidates on stage and sometimes [2:33:20] it's hard to keep track with where each one stands on the issues but i think you know in order to stand [2:33:24] out on a stage of 10 people you have to go after the guy who's in charge i mean you're running for [2:33:29] president this isn't you're not running you know just to be there there's one office yeah one office [2:33:34] and i think you know going back to the the thing i said earlier about kamala harris i mean i think it's [2:33:39] important to show up and act like you're there to be president you're not running to be vice [2:33:44] president you're not running just to up your name recognition you're actually running to do the job [2:33:48] and i think that going after biden directly shows that you're willing to take on somebody who has been [2:33:54] a vice president but was it effective alex well so i don't think anyone stood out as much as secretary [2:33:59] castro did last night i think you saw michael bennett you saw john hickenlooper you saw eric swalwell [2:34:04] go after mayor pete briefly not even senator harris tonight not as much as julian castro oh no secretary [2:34:09] harris but i consider her in a different tier than secretary castro i was talking about like sort [2:34:13] of the lesser tier going after the big candidates kamala clearly is in a league of her own with this [2:34:18] debate but you know michael bennett all these lower tier candidates i don't think they really [2:34:22] did anything to help their candidacies to qualify for the third and fourth round of debates but the [2:34:26] truth is a lot of people who are watching these debates are tuned in and they're curious was there [2:34:31] anything that you heard tonight that would really jazz up those people who stayed home back in 2016. [2:34:38] i'm gonna be honest not yet but it's early right i mean there are so many debates to come candidates [2:34:43] have to continue to build out those operational infrastructures i don't think we pay a lot of [2:34:47] attention to this debate performances are great but are you actually laying that foundation which is [2:34:52] how you target how you mobilize a constituency that propels you on to a victory and it's too early to [2:34:59] sort of predict this yet yeah they're very focused on the progressive voters and the question is by [2:35:03] taking these progressive stances will make it harder to appeal to those voters in the general [2:35:07] and the question is though will it work we're going to have a hard break here in just a moment i [2:35:12] want to thank each of you for coming in tonight and even those who aren't sitting on the couch right [2:35:15] now alex jackie sure michael higar nancy zerlina dasha and all of those students and of course all of [2:35:23] you at home thank you so much for watching the past two nights of the first presidential democratic [2:35:28] debates thanks for tuning in to nbc news now and don't miss the main event don't go anywhere because [2:35:33] we're going to replay night two of the first democratic debate just coming up next otherwise [2:35:39] tune in tomorrow at 3 p.m eastern for more on nbc news now i'm morgan radford thank you so much for [2:35:45] spending your evening with us