Blaise Taylor Murder case - best points days 2-5

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Hi everyone, back again to cover more on the Blaise Taylor murder case in Tennessee, where the defendant is accused of killing Jade Benning, as well as the five-month-old baby she was carrying, a female. And so this case, I've condensed down days two through five, just doing some key takeaways from that, and it's pretty much looking like they got the right guy here. That there's just too many indicators, so we're going to go over some of that tonight. Let's go ahead and start out with the 911 call, and I think those are always very telling. Any kind of statement given by the defendant of a murder case is especially key, and there's always good details, good takeaways. You can just get an impression, and your instincts will lead you to see more and more indicators of involvement, so let's go ahead and start that now. So I'm taking this from a local TV station there, because it also has the text here above. So, stand by. Here we go. [00:01:19] Speaker 2: So he doesn't know where he's at, really? [00:01:37] Speaker 1: You can't look at your phone. How did you get there? If you know so little of this girl, think also what he's saying here. Let's back it up. I'm at a friend's house. So he doesn't say, hey, I'm at my girlfriend's house who's pregnant with my baby. He doesn't say anything of the sort. So he's already trying to deflect and distance himself from the situation. Where have we seen that before on a 911 call when there's a dead body or almost dead body at issue? Can you guys think of any case? I got one that comes to mind. [00:02:14] Speaker 2: He would have had it in his GPS, okay? [00:02:34] Speaker 1: He had a digital thing on his phone. How else would he have gotten there? If he doesn't know it by heart, would he know the name of the apartments? Maybe not if it's his first time there or only a few times there previously, but the bottom line is this just sounds hokey to me. It doesn't sound like somebody is going to be that clueless on how to find out where this apartment is located at. Looking around, looking around what? Looking around outside to see if there's a sign there. Is he going to run out to the street? This 911 operator should have said, well, how did you get there? Where is it at? In your phone? Surely it's in your phone. You have to know how to get there somehow. But he's looking down. He doesn't want to look at the jury because he knows he's looking like a fool. [00:03:27] Speaker 2: Maybe one second. Okay, how old is she? 23, 24. Okay, she's awake. [00:03:38] Speaker 1: Okay, he doesn't even know her age. [00:03:40] Speaker 2: Right now? Yeah. And do you think she's having an allergic reaction to food? I don't know where we are. [00:03:48] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Yet he said it was an allergic reaction. Let me back up a second. [00:03:53] Speaker 2: I don't know if there's an appointment coming. [00:03:58] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. That's what I'm talking about. I mean, this guy's just running some rambling nonsense here. It's like you're trying to buy time. [00:04:10] Speaker 2: How did you get there, dude? [00:04:16] Speaker 1: Come on, really? [00:04:23] Speaker ?: I don't know what's going on. [00:04:25] Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. Yeah, because this is not going according to plan. [00:04:30] Speaker 2: I think she did. [00:04:33] Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you thought wrong. Let me look him down. [00:04:39] Speaker 2: Okay, how old is she? 23, 24. Okay, is she awake right now? Yeah. [00:04:48] Speaker 1: Oh, she's awake. Well, then why can't you ask her where, where, uh, he makes it sound like he's, she's alert and conscious. Then why don't you ask her? [00:04:57] Speaker 2: Um, and she was out, do you think she's out of the liver grass at the food? I don't know. [00:05:03] Speaker 1: I don't know. He's trying to distance. Come on. [00:05:05] Speaker 2: I don't know what she's done. Have you done anything today? [00:05:08] Speaker 1: I don't know what she's done. If she's done anything today or anything. Boy, just, would you really have this clueless? Why can't she say, look, she was doing fine. She had some purple or a pink lemonade drink. And next thing you know, she's like vomiting. None of that. It's just all, it's all play dumb. Play dumb motif. Until she took a sip of that pink lemonade. Hmm. That spiked lemonade. [00:05:46] Speaker 2: So, so you need a positive reaction to another food, is that right? I think so. I don't know. I don't think she's alerted anything. I don't know. Okay. She doesn't, man. You need to have an electric reaction. [00:06:03] Speaker ?: So, are you next to her? [00:06:04] Speaker 2: Is that next to her? Yes, sir. [00:06:07] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:06:08] Speaker 2: Okay. Does she do it? Do you breathe normally? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:06:13] Speaker 1: Really normal breathing? [00:06:16] Speaker 2: Okay. Do you have any difficulty swallowing? [00:06:26] Speaker 1: Yeah. See, he's asking questions. Does she have difficulty swallowing? Because she's, um, she's unable to, she's not responsive at all. She's out of it. [00:06:38] Speaker 2: Uh, I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. [00:06:43] Speaker ?: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. It could be the issue. Is she the phone again? I don't know. I don't know any questions. Yeah, she's the phone again. I don't know any questions. Okay. [00:06:49] Speaker 2: So, if you need this daily roller on your side right now? Yeah. She's on the side. Okay. [00:06:54] Speaker 1: Yeah. So, he doesn't even ask where, how she's laying. He's saying, can you roll on her side? Well, okay. She's on her side, really? [00:07:05] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Because if she's having my vomit or anything else, it's coming out right now. So, you just keep her on to her side right now. [00:07:12] Speaker ?: You can take her to sleep. Any out? Only what you can see is her face is down. Okay? [00:07:19] Speaker 2: And you can watch her mouth, okay? [00:07:23] Speaker 1: Well, if she's awake. I mean, is she awake or is she unconscious? Which is it? So, there's a lot of convoluted indicators that the defendant's giving. [00:07:33] Speaker 2: Hello, Ted? Hello? Yes, I'm going to hear you. [00:07:39] Speaker 1: How does he sound? He sounds panicky, like something went wrong. Like something's, the plans are exploding and going out of control. Or does it sound like he's panicking because he's losing somebody. But you know what he's not saying? This is his girlfriend. She's carrying money. She's five months pregnant. He's not saying that at all. Where is he saying, hurry, hurry? How close are they? But you know what? Because he hasn't given them an address. So, they go from like, he's still not given an address. So, it goes from that to like, trying to save her. [00:08:26] Speaker 2: Excuse me. Is she having difficulty swallowing? [00:08:31] Speaker 1: This is just a great stall. This is a great stall. You've never given the address. And now you're looking at being told how to try to monitor her and assess her from a medical standpoint. It's just wasting valuable time. [00:08:47] Speaker 2: Feeling any swelling? Unless there's a throat or a patient. [00:08:51] Speaker 1: Who cares if you don't know where to send the ambulance? Well, then the friend could call, be called, and found out if he's got the number. [00:09:13] Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. No, there's anything I'm about to be doing. Okay, and then this year, have you done? Do you have anything? Do you have anything? I don't think so. I don't think so. She's not responding. [00:09:28] Speaker 1: He doesn't know it well enough to know that. [00:09:31] Speaker 2: What is it? So, other than her just feeling kind of weak and pounding out, does she have any other symptoms right now? No, she's... [00:09:39] Speaker 1: She's almost dead. [00:09:41] Speaker 2: No, she's pretty relaxing tonight. I'm sorry. Okay. She's having a heart attack. [00:09:50] Speaker 1: She's having a heart attack and is dying. [00:09:52] Speaker 2: Do you ask for eyes anywhere on her body that you can see? Not that I'm confused. I don't see anything on my legs. I don't know. I'm supposed to be fine. Does her patient look to be in order? [00:10:06] Speaker 1: Did he say she looks fine? She looks pretty relaxed. Doesn't sound much urgency there, does it? I don't think so. [00:10:13] Speaker ?: I don't think so. I don't think so. [00:10:14] Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. [00:10:23] Speaker ?: I don't know. I don't know. [00:10:23] Speaker 2: I don't know. [00:10:24] Speaker ?: I don't know. [00:10:24] Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be fine. I don't know. Okay. And does her patient look to be in order? I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know how to tell her. No, Tom. Okay. No, it's just like it's because if she's ever went to grass, she's going to put some grass on it. Can you breath in or not ask if you need to be in order or breathe out? Yeah. I don't know what's going on. [00:10:49] Speaker 1: How is her breathing? [00:10:51] Speaker 2: Okay. So we already have help on the way. so just come back and look. So maybe she's going to stay on the line, but I don't know what I'm doing. So maybe you'll be in the church, but do you need me to stay on the line with you and tell me grab eggs for us, sir? What would many of you have to be doing? I don't know if they just got, uh, I don't know if they're going to help. Yeah. So I don't know if it's a cheese to break out because she's, she's awakened and, and, yeah, it's probably she's going to air freely. She's not struggling to breathe or weeding or gun help or anything like that. No. Uh, no. No, that looks like she's falling off. So, yeah, so you can go back for now. Okay. Okay. I'll do this. I'll go back for now. Okay. Okay. Okay. She's really moving in. Does it look like she's really moving in? Yeah, yeah. She's breathing. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So we're just going to keep her on her left side right now. We're just trying to keep her comfortable right there. Okay. [00:11:50] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:11:51] Speaker 2: All right. So just to break out, I think for the ear freak, just keep her in a comfortable position right now. We have her medication there for the paramedics to see how to do with her. I don't know. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. No, that's a feature. [00:12:05] Speaker 1: Annoying problem, really. [00:12:06] Speaker 2: I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:07] Speaker ?: I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:07] Speaker 2: I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:09] Speaker ?: I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:09] Speaker 2: I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:16] Speaker ?: I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:18] Speaker 2: I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:20] Speaker ?: I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:29] Speaker 2: I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:30] Speaker ?: I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:31] Speaker 1: I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:32] Speaker 2: I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. [00:12:34] Speaker 1: I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I don't know if she has any navigation. I wish they wouldn't have done that. But in any event, you get the gist that this guy is not that concerned and not being very descriptive and not panicked over doing something and getting information from the guy and passing information law. That's the way it comes across to me. And again, where's this conversation about, hey, she's pregnant. Hurry, hurry. How far are you away? None of that. So. Yeah. [00:13:12] Speaker ?: Real happy. You think so. [00:13:14] Speaker 1: Agree. Very. Pretty much an indicator. Mentioning the pregnancy. Lee, you think the 911 is using phone location data. Not sure about that. [00:13:23] Speaker ?: Okay. Okay. So now let's go ahead. Strike that and let's go to. [00:13:23] Speaker 1: Let's cover some more information. [00:13:25] Speaker ?: Okay. Okay. [00:13:27] Speaker 1: Lee, you think the 911 is using phone location data? Not sure about that. Okay, so now let's go ahead, strike that, and let's go to, let's cover some more of day two. So we had, IJ Jackson, the victim's best friend, and she stated how in her final phone call with Jade, she stated that the pink lemonade tasted funny, said her legs went numb, and directly asked Taylor, what did you do? What did you put in my drink? So there you have it. That is like huge, huge increasing information. This, of course, that'd be credible information that's presented to the jury, but this just fits in. It makes sense. When you got him acting flaky like this, and you got her best friend that was obviously shook up by her death and this ongoing crisis before the death, and they had a couple of, another witness, a victim's friend that testified about arriving at the hospital and observing Taylor's demeanor, and noted that he sat with his back to everyone, remained silent, and showed no visible emotion, and then we also had a family friend enter the apartment and take photos and retrieve items like a vomit-stained comforter, and she did that out of fear, anger, and panic, or perceived lack of urgency from the police. So that's for day two, and I want to go now to the testimony. Pull this over here because it's pretty wild here what we see. All right, let me expand the screen. So here we have the defense cross-salmination. You already heard the very damning testimony where we have the final words of Jade basically accusing the defendant of spiking her drink. The prosecution has just ended their direct examination, so we're just going to go right to Latisha Hollands-Cross. [00:16:10] Speaker 2: I could just have a minute. Okay. [00:16:32] Speaker 1: I'm not sure why she's not more prepared, ready to go. There's a lot of stuff up there with her to reference. It could be more cumbersome and get you tripped up more if you've got that much stuff to try to use to cross-examine someone. And also, I think the witness thinks that, gosh, you've got all that bundle of stuff to bring up here for the lectern that you're going to effectively cross-examine me. It just reminds me of the Adelson trial, Donna Adelson, defense counsel not ready to go. Guys. Look at that. You're sitting there waiting. How are you supposed to look like a seasoned, on your feet, ready to go, fired away? Oh, but now she's just picking up the notebook. I don't get it. She's trying to find her place on the legal pad. She probably wrote down a summary of what was said on direct. [00:17:58] Speaker 3: Ms. Jackson, my name is Leticia Quinonez-Hollins, and I'll be asking you a few questions. [00:18:05] Speaker ?: Well, a lot of questions. [00:18:09] Speaker 3: At any time you don't understand something, let me know, and I'll do my best to report this, okay? You said you met Jade when you were six years old. You guys, at some point, went to the same middle school and high school, right? Yes. You were very close. Correct. And you guys also went off to college. Was it the same college that you went to, or different colleges, but at the same time? [00:18:40] Speaker 4: We went to the same college at one point and a different college at another. [00:18:45] Speaker 3: Because she left and went to culinary school. Is that right? And the culinary school was with? [00:18:52] Speaker 4: Bentonville. [00:18:55] Speaker 3: Now, are you both from Little Rock, Arkansas? [00:18:57] Speaker 4: We are. [00:19:02] Speaker 3: Do you know an Arianne Curtis, who now may be Arianne Jordan? [00:19:05] Speaker 4: I do. [00:19:06] Speaker 3: Is she also from Little Rock, Arkansas? [00:19:07] Speaker 4: I believe so. [00:19:09] Speaker 3: And do you know an Apple thing? [00:19:11] Speaker 4: I know of her. [00:19:13] Speaker 3: I didn't have met her before? It's actually an honor. It's irrelevant. I've always had a little bit of it. [00:19:19] Speaker 5: You ever met her? [00:19:20] Speaker 3: Yes. [00:19:21] Speaker 5: All right. What? [00:19:22] Speaker 3: Now, at some point, Jay moved to Nashville, correct? [00:19:28] Speaker 4: Correct. [00:19:29] Speaker 3: And do you know about when she moved to Nashville? [00:19:33] Speaker 4: I don't know exactly when. Probably like 2020, early 2022, maybe. [00:19:39] Speaker 3: Early 2022? [00:19:41] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:19:43] Speaker 1: You should know the answer. [00:19:44] Speaker 3: And when she moved to Nashville in early 22, you were with her? [00:19:47] Speaker 4: In Little Rock. [00:19:51] Speaker 3: Were you guys speaking during that time? [00:19:53] Speaker 4: Yes. How often? Maybe like every couple days or maybe once a week. [00:20:00] Speaker 3: Yeah. But significant when you were talking. [00:20:02] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:20:04] Speaker 3: And then at some point, you moved to Nashville. [00:20:06] Speaker 4: Correct. [00:20:07] Speaker 3: When did you move to Nashville? [00:20:08] Speaker 4: In August of 2022. [00:20:15] Speaker 3: And so, when you moved to Nashville, who did you live with when you moved here? [00:20:21] Speaker 4: Myself. [00:20:22] Speaker 3: And you came here to go to McHara? [00:20:24] Speaker 4: My hair, yes. [00:20:24] Speaker 3: McHara, I'm sorry. And you didn't move in with Miss Anne? [00:20:30] Speaker 4: No. [00:20:32] Speaker 1: I know the answer. I was just really important. [00:20:35] Speaker 3: Now, when you moved here, how often did the two of you get together? [00:20:39] Speaker 4: It just depends on when our schedules would align. [00:20:42] Speaker 3: So, what would that be? [00:20:43] Speaker 4: Maybe once a week, twice a week. [00:20:46] Speaker 3: So, once or twice a week? [00:20:47] Speaker 4: Maybe, yes. [00:20:48] Speaker 3: And what are some of the things that the two of you would do when you got together? [00:20:52] Speaker 6: Objection of our development. [00:20:54] Speaker 3: Your aunt, this woman's testified that the basis of a lot of her testimony today. Okay. What would y'all do when you hung out? [00:21:01] Speaker 4: Go eat dinner. Go walk. Just all kinds of fun stuff that best friends would do. [00:21:07] Speaker 3: Would you smoke marijuana together? Yes. Objection, Your Honor. All right. [00:21:11] Speaker 5: It's been mentioned. So, she... [00:21:12] Speaker 1: Okay. So, right here, the prosecution is objecting when defense is asking, did you smoke marijuana? This is part of the defense. How much drug usage, illegal or prescription abuse is totally relevant? Because what if it was an innocent ingestion or intentional overdose that killed her and nobody else had anything to do with it other than the conscious decision to consume that cocaine? So, I don't know why the prosecution's objecting. If the judge sustained it and you got a conviction on appeal, it should be reversed if you can't go into the drug history of the victim. [00:21:56] Speaker 3: Go ahead. Thank you. Would you drink together? Yes. And would she often, or at least at some point, would she suggest that you do mushrooms together? [00:22:08] Speaker 4: No. [00:22:09] Speaker 3: No? [00:22:09] Speaker 4: She didn't suggest. [00:22:11] Speaker 3: Did she ask you to do mushrooms with her? [00:22:14] Speaker 4: Maybe. I don't recall. [00:22:16] Speaker 3: Would a text message between you and Jade help refresh your memory? Yes. Yes. Okay. [00:22:35] Speaker 5: I'll get that here. What's up? Do you want to get that? Do you want to make sure it's the right one? [00:22:43] Speaker 1: They did administer Narcan at one point, and I think that was in the ambulance, if I remember correctly. [00:23:04] Speaker 3: Can I have a copy? If you could take a moment and read those first three texts to yourself and let me know when you're done. I'm going to go down four texts. I'm ready. Okay. Did she suggest that you guys should do it together? [00:23:51] Speaker 7: Yes. [00:23:51] Speaker 3: Thank you. [00:23:52] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:24:00] Speaker 3: Now, you would oftentimes, would you not, reach out to Ms. Ben and ask her to help you secure drugs, wouldn't you? [00:24:09] Speaker 4: Marijuana. [00:24:10] Speaker 1: How does a prosecutor think that they can keep this out and you're giving the defendant a fair trial? Oh, unbelievable. Unbelievable. The judge will admit this kind of testimony, because he should, because it's constitutionally required. All their drug interactions is totally relevant. I mean, the defendant was using drugs. They'd want to bring all that out. So, fair is fair. Let me jump ahead here. Wasting time, holding up to jury. It's amazing how many, how much prosecutors across America try to keep out evidence. It's just not fair. Man, thankfully, the constitution's there to hold you accountable. Somebody's guilty. Want to give them a fair trial. We don't want to railroad them and keep out key important evidence. Jumping ahead here still. [00:25:59] Speaker 3: When, around October the 3rd of 2022, when Ms. Benning was traveling somewhere in California. You remember that? Yes. And do you remember you guys were having a text message conversation? Yes. And in that text message, Ms. Benning starts off the conversation saying, Edible kicked my ass. Do you remember her saying that to you? [00:26:24] Speaker 4: Can I please see it? [00:26:25] Speaker 3: You may. [00:26:26] Speaker 8: Okay, what's your question? [00:26:46] Speaker 3: Do you see there where on October the 3rd of 2022, Ms. Benning says to you, Edible kicked my ass. Do you see that? Yes. Do you see that later? The next text message she sends says, smoking, edibles, and tequila, laugh my ass off. Do you see that? Yes. And do you see where your next text to her is, we are some other shit? Yes. What is some other shit that she could be smoking, Ms. Jackson? [00:27:14] Speaker 4: Mushrooms. Because you could smoke mushrooms? I didn't say smoke. I said or some other shit. [00:27:20] Speaker 3: Well, you said we are some other shit, right? [00:27:25] Speaker 4: Yes. [00:27:25] Speaker 3: What's the other shit? [00:27:27] Speaker 4: Mushrooms. Mushrooms. [00:27:27] Speaker ?: Mushrooms. [00:27:27] Speaker 3: Okay. So when you were referring to weed, because you hear above it, it says smoking, but it doesn't say what she's smoking, right? [00:27:35] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. [00:27:36] Speaker 3: It says smoking, and then you respond, weed or some other shit. [00:27:41] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. And your response is she was going to smoke mushrooms? I didn't say smoke mushrooms, but I was asking her if that was she talking about. [00:27:48] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:27:48] Speaker ?: Okay. Okay. [00:27:51] Speaker 3: And the Ms. Benning, in your closeness with her, never shared with you when the last time that she had her period? [00:28:01] Speaker 4: I don't recall. I don't recall. [00:28:02] Speaker 3: You don't? You don't? [00:28:03] Speaker ?: I don't. [00:28:04] Speaker 3: Would you have learned that the last time she had her period was September the 12th? Is that a question? [00:28:16] Speaker 8: What is the answer that she doesn't recall? [00:28:18] Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, you're putting words into her mouth. I thought you asked, did you know? And she said no. She said she didn't recall. [00:28:25] Speaker 8: She said she didn't recall. [00:28:28] Speaker 3: As close as you were, did you know that she didn't have her period in October? [00:28:33] Speaker 4: We don't just discuss our periods, like, all the time, so no. [00:28:38] Speaker 3: So when you were on that rec examination, Ms. Jackson, you talked about that this was your sister, and you discussed everything. Isn't that what you said? We do. But you don't discuss your period. [00:28:47] Speaker 1: I think she would have talked about it. I don't. It looks like maybe she's not being candid here and being straight up, but. [00:28:54] Speaker 3: Periods. I did not. Now, but didn't you, isn't it true that you and Ms. Benning was trying to calculate who was the father of this child? You wouldn't discuss the last time she had her period if you're trying to calculate when was the last time she, or when, who was the father of the child? [00:29:13] Speaker 4: You would have. I don't recall talking about a period. [00:29:15] Speaker 3: Well, how would you figure out who was the father? Objection, Your Honor. [00:29:19] Speaker 8: She's in here. Right. Well, she's asking another. I'm projecting the relevance of the line question. What's your next question? [00:29:25] Speaker 1: Well, she can try to impeach her. She can say, no, I don't remember her, but then she can try to show that she's not being straightforward on it. So I think that this is a poor objection by the prosecution. [00:29:37] Speaker 3: How can you discuss and try to determine who's the father of the child? If you don't discuss, when was the last time she had her period? [00:29:47] Speaker 4: Based on the, um, how many, how far along she was in her pregnancy. [00:29:52] Speaker 3: Well, how would you know how far along she was if she doesn't go to the doctor? [00:29:55] Speaker ?: She did. [00:29:56] Speaker 3: But this, you were talking about that before she went to the doctor. We were at the doctor talking about that. So when you were talking about it, you would have to figure out the last time she had a cycle. [00:30:08] Speaker 5: You can't tell her what she did or didn't know. [00:30:12] Speaker 1: You can try to impeach her on it, judge. I think that's fair. I think she's looking at the prosecution is what's going on. Normally, witnesses are looking like that. Maybe the prosecution is like making movements, like they're going to stand up and object or something. [00:30:32] Speaker 3: Now, was there not a time that Ms. Benning would infuse the food that she cooked with marijuana? [00:30:43] Speaker 8: Objection, your honor, to relevance. [00:30:45] Speaker 5: We've already had that discussion with other witnesses. Did you know anything about that? I did. You said you did know? [00:30:52] Speaker ?: Mm-hmm. [00:30:52] Speaker 3: And she would do that. Was she not? [00:30:54] Speaker 4: She has before. [00:30:56] Speaker 3: Thank you. Now, when you were discussing who the father was of this baby, there was another gentleman that was in the running. Was that true? [00:31:09] Speaker 4: Yes. [00:31:10] Speaker 3: And who was that? [00:31:12] Speaker 4: His name was Dave. [00:31:13] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:31:14] Speaker 3: And at the time that you guys were making this discussion or having this discussion, this was a time that she was, in fact, pregnant, correct? [00:31:25] Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Did you repeat your question? [00:31:27] Speaker 5: That was the discussion with Ms. Benning about then, after you knew she was pregnant? [00:31:33] Speaker 3: Yes. And in that same conversation, you were asking, and she was talking about the mushrooms, and you were asking her to ask it. Objection, your honor, to be hearsay. What is your question? This was a discussion they were having together. Well, it's too many hearsay, but what is your question? You guys were discussing drugs then, too, were you not? [00:31:51] Speaker 8: Objection, your honor, to be hearsay. [00:31:54] Speaker 3: Did you carry her? Yes. There was a conversation that she was a part of. This is what she was saying with Ms. Benning. And it goes to Ms. Benning's state of mind. What hearsay exception is it? It goes to Ms. Benning's state of mind as it relates to drugs. This is a drug overdose. [00:32:09] Speaker 1: Prosecutor, let it go. This needs to come in. [00:32:11] Speaker 3: Taylor has to be able to put on a defensive theory. [00:32:18] Speaker 5: Did you ever discuss with Ms. Benning after she lived, she was pregnant, about the drug? I'm not sure. I don't know. [00:32:27] Speaker 3: Would it assist you if I was to allow you to look at text messages? Sure. [00:32:37] Speaker 1: You know, I think the prosecution should have its witness better prepped, have them go over their statements and say, look, they're going to bring up the fact that you use drugs and all that. That's fine. Just tell the truth. Know what conversations you had, when and where, and anything having to do with drug usage is fair game, but they're not prepared in that department. [00:33:00] Speaker 5: Time frame, Jack, do you want that? [00:33:01] Speaker 3: It is 1029, Your Honor, and 11-2. [00:33:07] Speaker ?: Sorry. [00:33:13] Speaker 5: Let me just get here. See, there's multiple copies of that. Yes. [00:33:22] Speaker 3: I'm going to give you a copy of all of them so we can have them. I have a timeline. [00:33:33] Speaker 5: You've got 1029, 11-2, and something else? Yes, I'm getting to all of them. I'm just making sure that they're listening. [00:33:39] Speaker 8: I object to the relevant, as well as the here's A. I do not understand what she intended to do. [00:33:45] Speaker 5: All right, let the jury step down. [00:33:47] Speaker 1: Prosecutor, you're just getting bogged down with the stuff that's denying a fair trial. I don't understand this. Let them present this kind of stuff, because you know what? It's required, and the fact they had a conversation about getting marijuana, who cares about it? Here's the objection. There's always exceptions around it. I was going to say, she does sound a little bit whiny when she objects. I don't want to try to imitate it. Yeah, it sounds like, help me out, help me out, judge, this is not fair, you know, that kind of stuff. So, yeah, that's not a good look. I would want to see a prosecutor do if I was a supervisor. I mean, they keep objecting to anything about drugs and whatnot. They think that this is, they're going to get a ruling in their favor. I mean, I just don't see that happening. The judge keeps shooting them down. They keep on shooting themselves in the foot. [00:34:59] Speaker 5: How many are you wanting to show? About eight, you're on there. All right, let me have copies of them. Let me have copies of them. [00:35:10] Speaker 3: I want to give them to you all at one time, please, so we don't have to go over to read this. And I can tell before, if that's where they're going. Just let me have copies of them. Once you read them, you're going to ask them. I don't know what I'm asking. It's 11-2, 10-29. [00:35:28] Speaker 6: 11-2. [00:35:30] Speaker 1: Judge isn't happy. I'm wondering also if this being televised makes a judge have way more patience than he otherwise would. [00:35:40] Speaker 3: There's another one for 11-2. There's another one for 11-2. [00:35:49] Speaker 1: There's one objection that's causing all this delay now. [00:35:55] Speaker 5: What does that say about drugs? So I'm giving you drugs, but let's just do this real easy. Tell me what that one says about drugs. [00:36:03] Speaker 3: So in that text message, you just told me what it said. You said it says about my body. What does it have to do with about drugs? I'm trying to answer. What this says is that on 11-2, and then you go to 10-29, she talks about. I haven't gotten to 10-29. [00:36:20] Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to 10-29. [00:36:21] Speaker 3: You're asking about this one at 10-29. This one says, me either. And then she goes on to say to both. Then she says, I've been looking at my body and shit, too. And so what it says here is that she knew that when I started questioning, if I could be pregnant. So on this day, she says that she had been looking at her body and could tell that she had been pregnant. She did. [00:36:42] Speaker 5: Yes, she did. Okay, let me see that. But that has nothing to do with drugs. [00:36:49] Speaker 3: It does, because what it suggests. [00:36:50] Speaker 5: Is there any reference in this text to drugs? [00:36:53] Speaker 3: No, but it orients the state of mind of Ms. Finney. State of mind. Yes, as it goes to arguments of theory. [00:37:08] Speaker 5: Does the state have decent copies of what the messages are about before? [00:37:12] Speaker 1: Part of the thing is, the judge realizes that defense attorney misrepresented something earlier. And so, you're sort of like skittish. I'm like, is she making something up again? Is she wrong on something again? How can I trust that what she's going to bring out on cross is really accurate? [00:37:43] Speaker 5: Like I've been looking at my body, okay? So, that's what you say on that. Next one I'm looking at is 11-2 at 1.50 p.m. You need to find out ASAP. Indiana is the closest place to go if I made that decision. What does that have to do with drugs? [00:38:03] Speaker 3: Because she's, that one is dealing with abortion because she was- How do we know that? Because that's what they're talking about in regards to Indiana being the closest place. [00:38:10] Speaker 5: How do I know that? [00:38:12] Speaker 3: Because, and text messages before that, she says- [00:38:15] Speaker 5: How does this have to do with drugs? I just said, I'm getting all the text messages. It doesn't have anything to do with drugs. [00:38:22] Speaker 1: Gosh, this attorney is just unbelievable. The way she cannot answer a straight question to the judge. He asked her about what's this got to, where's the drugs? How's this got to do with drugs? Then she tries to bring up the fact that she's talking about she can feel like she's pregnant. And then she's talking about a state of mind. So, okay, well, what's this got to do with drugs? It sounds like the defense attorney is trying to say that her knowing when she was pregnant and her still talking about drugs after that shows she didn't care to be abusing her body and the child's body while she's pregnant. So I think that's what she's trying to say. Are they, that's what I would be arguing if I was defense. But I don't know what she's, why she's fumbling like this so bad. [00:39:08] Speaker 3: No, but it has to do with abortion that I'm going to go into. And I don't want to have to stop and do this again. [00:39:15] Speaker 5: I'm just dealing with the state's objection about you're wanting to grill this young lady about drugs. That is something about abortion. [00:39:22] Speaker 1: It's more than attitude towards drugs. It's like, are you actually looking and dealing in drugs or using drugs while you're pregnant? That's the issue. We understand she was using drugs forehand. But yeah, that's very much in play, relevant to see what evidence is there that she was in and around drug abuse while she's pregnant. [00:39:43] Speaker 5: Weird, it's like you've been drinking. What does this have to do with drugs? [00:39:56] Speaker 3: It has to do with alcohol. She was found to have Coca-Cola in her system. [00:40:00] Speaker 5: But that is something from where's the answer to from Ms. Jackson, but like you've been drinking. [00:40:13] Speaker 3: Ms. Jackson just testified that she is very. [00:40:16] Speaker 5: Where's the answer of this from the test? [00:40:17] Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be an answer. That's her statement to Ms. Benning. Ms. Jackson's here. It's not here to say. She's right here. I can ask her if she says it. [00:40:25] Speaker 5: How about Ms. Benning's statements or hearsay? [00:40:28] Speaker 3: That's not Ms. Benning's statement. If I can at least allow me to explain to the court what it is that I'm trying to do, why I'm providing you with all the text messages that you asked for. [00:40:41] Speaker 5: Well, some of them I didn't ask. You finished up cleaning. I want to come smoke and have a bottle of wine when I get off. That's from Ms. Jackson. That's in 29. So you want to ask Ms. Jackson if Ms. Benning came over and had a bottle of wine? I do. And smoked. Where does it say smoke? [00:41:05] Speaker 3: You want to smoke and have a bottle of wine. [00:41:07] Speaker 5: You want to come S-P-O-K-E. Do you think that's a misspelling? [00:41:11] Speaker 8: Oh, can I see you? [00:41:15] Speaker 1: Apparently so, Ms. Atypo. [00:41:23] Speaker 5: And while she's looking at that, one says, I'll be down in like an hour. You're not going to the party. I was going to, but my body is just really exhausted. I think I'd rather chill tonight. What is that? What's the relevancy of that? [00:41:42] Speaker 3: That one has to do with, as I stated before, that she was already telling by her body that she was pregnant. [00:41:48] Speaker ?: But yet she was doing drugs around this time. [00:41:50] Speaker 3: It would be oriented with the other text message of 1029 that had paid me. [00:41:53] Speaker ?: All right. [00:41:55] Speaker 5: Maybe I had a gun, but this is 11-2. 1029 one says she can do a drug. [00:42:11] Speaker 6: Excuse me. [00:42:11] Speaker ?: Excuse me. [00:42:12] Speaker 3: Can I have a copy? [00:42:13] Speaker 5: Do you have the 1029 one? [00:42:17] Speaker 3: You just have that one. You're on it. [00:42:18] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:42:19] Speaker 5: It says I'll be done in an hour. [00:42:22] Speaker 1: So here, this is what happened, folks, when you have the prosecution not knowing what evidence is relevant for the defense to be able to present a defense. They're objecting. Defense attorney is doing a terrible job at trying to explain what she's trying to accomplish through the questioning. And then you have all these statements. The judge can't trust what the defense is saying because they've botched it before. And so you have all this just fumbling around and the jury's being held up in the process. So it's not a good look, and it's something that just keeps the momentum away from the prosecution. So they're sort of shooting themselves in the foot here. In the end, it's not something that the jury's going to hold against the prosecution, but it's just you want to look like you have your ducks in a row and you know what you're doing, both the prosecution and defense. The judge wants to see that, too. He wants to see a good battle between the attorneys, not attorneys that just don't understand the legal importance of each other's job and their own job. [00:43:38] Speaker 5: Okay, and after you've looked at this, is that a typo on your part? [00:43:42] Speaker 9: Probably, yes. [00:43:43] Speaker 5: Okay, so you would say you're texting this thing about wanting to smoke and have a bottle of wine? I'll take it, I guess. You should come over and do that. I don't remember. All right. We can do that. [00:43:58] Speaker ?: That. We've already asked about that. [00:44:05] Speaker 1: It's very unusual for a judge to be scrutinizing all these kind of text messages. I think a lot of this stems from, like I say, the two parties not understanding what they're supposed to be doing. And the judge is trying to referee it as best he can. [00:44:31] Speaker 5: So, this one, where you say, but like you've been drinking, do you know if she answers that? [00:44:44] Speaker 3: If I may, your honor, that's Ms. Jackson, observation of Ms. Vangler. In a text? Yes, in a text. [00:44:50] Speaker 5: How she observed her in a text? [00:44:52] Speaker 3: She is finding out that she was pregnant. Ms. Jackson's response is like, you've been drinking? I don't see that. I don't see that. Yes, it's hard to do. And if she feels like that's not what it means, that's what she could tell the jury? [00:45:05] Speaker 5: You know what that's about? [00:45:19] Speaker 4: Like, conversation is incomplete. Like, I can't really make that. [00:45:22] Speaker ?: I don't know. [00:45:31] Speaker 5: Slide it in a way, I'll be more okay when I know for sure it's his. It's his. It has to be. And what does that have to do with the drug? [00:45:45] Speaker 3: That's in regards to Mr. Taylor. Like I said, I was giving you everything so that we didn't have to go through this hand. [00:45:50] Speaker 5: Okay. So, this is relevant in terms of going back and finding out who the father is. Correct. And this shows that they're just discussing it. [00:45:59] Speaker 3: They're discussing it, but it's relevant because it goes to Mr. Taylor's statement of mine that he would try to harm a child. That the passage may not be even. My client, Mr. Taylor, the one who's on the murder. [00:46:10] Speaker 5: How do these checks have anything to do with him? [00:46:12] Speaker 3: Because he's asked for paternityness. [00:46:15] Speaker 5: My question is, you've asked about discussions with who's the father and things like that. So, you're wanting this text to add to that how? [00:46:24] Speaker 3: Because it says she would be more excited what she determines is his. So, that means she didn't even know if it was his. [00:46:30] Speaker 5: Okay. [00:46:31] Speaker ?: Right. [00:46:32] Speaker 5: And then, does the state care to be heard about whether, do you, Ms. Jackson, know what you're referencing? Indiana is the closest place to go if I made that decision. [00:46:48] Speaker 4: The conversation, I can't, I don't remember the whole conversation. It is in part, so I can't give you an answer. [00:46:53] Speaker 5: You don't know what Indiana may have been. [00:46:56] Speaker 4: We were talking. [00:46:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know what's in part because the prosecution didn't prepare you properly and have you read over the transcript of your prior testimony, apparently like at a deposition or to the police or both or in their own interview that was recorded. [00:47:13] Speaker 5: Talking about her being pregnant. Were there any discussion between you and Ms. Benning about her getting an abortion? [00:47:21] Speaker 4: Not necessarily not being her decision, no. What does that mean? She never said she wanted an abortion. [00:47:28] Speaker 5: I just told her. Do you know if Indiana has anything to do with that? [00:47:31] Speaker 4: If she were to have made that decision, but that decision is not what she made. [00:47:34] Speaker 5: If she were to have made that decision, I don't know if she was going to do with that, I don't know if she was going to do with that. And this one says because you could be eight to two weeks, would be 10 and then too late. Do you know what that was about? If she was going to do with that, if she were to have an abortion. And these are 11-2, 11-2, and the state's objection. [00:48:03] Speaker 1: Just saying all this delay is from just one objection. Unbelievable. [00:48:07] Speaker 5: About these and what? [00:48:09] Speaker 8: I just want to be clear. We're talking about those specific things that you just talked about. So my objection is that, number one, they're incomplete to the conversation. Do you have the complete download? [00:48:20] Speaker 1: Yes. [00:48:21] Speaker 5: I can give it. I didn't ask you, right? Yes. I mean, I have access to it. You would agree with me. [00:48:27] Speaker 1: So the defense inserted an answer when the prosecutor didn't, and the judge let her know he's not talking to her. [00:48:36] Speaker 5: I'm just trying to be fair. You would agree with me that you asked a lot of questions of various witnesses about misbeigning. Wanting to have her baby. [00:48:46] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:48:46] Speaker 5: And these would indicate that there were discussions about not. And yes, no. [00:48:53] Speaker 8: My objection? Yes, no. I would like to ask the witness a question. [00:48:58] Speaker 1: He's not answering the question. I mean, this is, both these attorneys are bad at not answering the judge directly. [00:49:05] Speaker 8: But I understand that the conversation. [00:49:09] Speaker 1: We understand our ultimate decision. I'm talking about Jade. Jade's ultimate decision was, yeah, I'm keeping the baby. But maybe there was some question about beforehand or which route she was going to go. So I don't know what the big deal is. We all know that she ultimately was adamant about keeping the baby. And I think that's abundantly clear. [00:49:32] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:49:32] Speaker 5: Go ahead. [00:49:33] Speaker 8: Ms. Jackson, those conversations that you have snippets of, did those all occur before Ms. Finney confirmed that she was pregnant? No. Are they all from November 2nd? Yes. And you went to the appointment to confirm it on November 3rd? Correct. So they're all before she confirmed it? Yes, I'm sorry. Once she confirmed that she was pregnant, was there any discussion that she was suggesting that she might have an abortion? [00:49:57] Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay. If I may be heard, you're not. [00:50:00] Speaker ?: You don't need to be heard. I'll allow you to ask that. [00:50:02] Speaker 5: I'll allow you to ask about these two text messages. Thank you. I'm trying to bite my tongue. I'm about to bite that. [00:50:17] Speaker 8: Can you hear about the drug test messages? Sure. The state's objection is that this witness has already testified that there was drug and alcohol abuse, marijuana and alcohol, prior to her finding out she was pregnant. She found out she might be pregnant on November 2nd. She confirmed it on November 3rd. Any questions about drinking or drug use prior to that are completely irrelevant. It's cumulative. It's already been testified to. [00:50:43] Speaker 1: Cumulative? You've had that many witnesses testifying to that? It is relevant, so you're wrong, prosecutor. [00:50:52] Speaker 5: They're wanting to argue the jury that she continued to be a drug dealer who may have overdosed without her own unintentional. [00:51:00] Speaker 8: Those messages are before she knew she was pregnant. [00:51:03] Speaker 5: Correct. Did you point that out? [00:51:06] Speaker ?: They want to argue. [00:51:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, so then it's kept out. Then you can argue, oh, she never had a long history of using drugs. It was just a short window. And if it was a short window, obviously she didn't really have an interest in drugs. So it's just, it's just weak, weak argument from the prosecution. [00:51:28] Speaker 5: Good thing, bad thing, I'm not going to say. But they want to argue that Ms. Benning may have unintentionally overdosed on cocaine. [00:51:35] Speaker 3: Now, it is important to note while we're speaking about it that she also had fentanyl in her system. [00:51:40] Speaker 5: This is what he does. [00:51:41] Speaker 3: I'm not speaking about that, but it goes to the relevance. [00:51:43] Speaker 5: I don't need to hear all of your argument at this point. I'm just saying why you think it's relevant. So I'm allowing you to ask those questions. So bring the jury back down. [00:51:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. [00:52:04] Speaker 1: So what happens? Let me speed it up. Jump ahead. Probably get the jury. [00:52:15] Speaker 3: It is, in fact, true that Ms. Benning was, in fact, doing drugs, was it not? She smoked marijuana. And some other shit. Right? Not sure. And once you guys found out that she was pregnant, you then sent her a text message and said, like, you've been drinking, didn't you? I said that? Yes. Yes. And what you were doing was calling her out that, oh, my God, you're pregnant and you've been drinking isn't that correct? [00:52:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. [00:52:50] Speaker 3: That's not what you meant by that? No. And it was after that that she no longer spoke with you about she herself doing any drugs. Is that right? Could you ask that again, please? Yes. After that text message that you sent her saying, like, you've been drinking, after that text message, she no longer sent you a text message about drinking or doing any drugs. Is that correct? I don't recall. So she could have sent some after that. Sure. And also, we discussed the fact that you guys had to determine who the father was and you determined that it was blazes, correct? [00:53:29] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:53:30] Speaker 3: But there was a time when she took those home pregnancy tests that you talked about. You remember that? And she sent you a picture of those home pregnancy tests that you testified to. During that time, she herself was considering an abortion, wasn't she? She was not. Well, didn't you guys discuss possibly going to Indiana? [00:53:52] Speaker 4: In terms of she wasn't sure what she wanted to do, but abortion was not the answer. We were just discussing as friends what did the future look like? [00:54:00] Speaker 3: Well, you were going to go to Indiana to possibly have an abortion. She was going to go to possibly have an abortion. [00:54:05] Speaker 1: I think the mischaracterization is that this witness was saying, hey, you could go to Indiana if you want to do that, but that was not a plan to go up there. And so it sounds like defense counsel is, again, putting a spin on things. [00:54:26] Speaker 5: That discussion was about? [00:54:27] Speaker 4: I asked her about Indiana one time. We never went and we never talked about it again. Well, why would you talk about it if it wasn't an option for her? We were just discussing as girls, as friends, like what? [00:54:40] Speaker 3: Didn't you also say on one occasion, well, eight, two weeks, you need to decide because it'll be too late. Didn't you say that to her? I didn't see that. Can I please see that? You may. [00:54:53] Speaker 1: Witness should be prepped better. [00:54:55] Speaker 3: Can I ask you when I say that? Okay, so you were discussing it because she was considering an abortion, correct? We were just discussing. [00:55:26] Speaker 4: She didn't say she was beginning an abortion. [00:55:28] Speaker 3: I understand, but she was considering it, wasn't she? Objection, Your Honor. [00:55:32] Speaker 8: She has mischaracterized the witness's testimony. [00:55:34] Speaker 5: She said she texted that. She doesn't know what Ms. Benning was considering. [00:55:40] Speaker 3: So when Ms. Benning then texts you, well, you text Ms. Benning, you need to find out ASAP. This is on November the 2nd. She responds, Indiana is the closest place to go if I make that decision. [00:55:56] Speaker 4: She was speaking about an abortion, was she not? I already said that we discussed a multiple option. It wasn't like a definitive answer. We were just talking. [00:56:05] Speaker 3: So when this... Go ahead, I'm sorry. When Mr. Taylor reached back out to Ms. Benning on December 31st, after he no longer considered an abortion, it's no different. It was just different times. Isn't that correct? I'm sorry? [00:56:20] Speaker 5: What is your question? That's a snake? [00:56:22] Speaker 3: No, I said, isn't that correct? That's a question. That's Mr. Taylor. When Mr. Taylor... [00:56:26] Speaker 5: What Mr. Taylor told me. [00:56:28] Speaker 3: When Mr. Taylor reached... [00:56:29] Speaker 1: So she's talking, refuting the judge, but she never says your honor or your judge. It's just very, very odd to see this kind of rude behavior in front of the judge. [00:56:42] Speaker 3: He went out to Ms. Benning on December 31st. Do you remember that? I don't remember the date when he reached back out. Do you remember when she told you she went to the park with Mr. Taylor? I do. On January the 1st? Yes. And they sat there for four to five hours and talked? Yes. And after that date, did she ever tell you that Mr. Taylor talked to her about having an abortion after that? I don't recall. So is it your statement that he could have? [00:57:10] Speaker 1: All these I don't recalls, I'm just not believing it. [00:57:14] Speaker 4: Well, you don't recall him ever saying that. Is there messages that I could potentially read about it? I can give you the messages between you and Ms. Benning from January 1st all the way up to February 25th if you would like me to. I was thinking about this question that you're asking me now. [00:57:27] Speaker 3: My question is from January 1st of 2023 until February 25th of 2023. Did Ms. Benning ever come to you about Mr. Taylor trying to pressure her or ask her to get an abortion? Yes or no, ma'am? No. Thank you. [00:57:50] Speaker 1: Now, part of that being is like she said, I'm keeping the baby. He wanted her to have an abortion. And she said, you don't even have to be involved in the kid's life or whatever, something along those lines. And then he left her alone. But then a couple months later, he's like, let me get back with you. Let's have a date kind of thing. So, it's very much a help support the prosecution theory that he wasn't trying to come back in her life because he wanted to have a meaningful relationship. And we'll hear more about that later here. [00:58:30] Speaker 3: Now, during this time that from the January 1st until the February 25th, isn't it true that you believed that Mr. Taylor was trying to work on the relationship? I can't necessarily speak for what he was doing. Did you remember talking to one of the detectives? Saying what again? I'm sorry. That Mr. Taylor was trying to work on the relationship. And that's what you shared with the detective, right? [00:59:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, with who, though? [00:59:10] Speaker 3: I would have to pull it out. I can't. This witness is not going to notice. Thank you. I'd like to move on. All right, move it. Now, we're talking about Mr. Taylor and Ms. Benning from February 1st until February 25th. Ms. Benning never complained to you in any form or fashion about Mr. Taylor being abusive to her, pressuring her in any kind of way. Isn't that true? Correct. Now, when Mr. Taylor and Ms. Benning parted ways on November the 6th of 2022, it was Ms. Benning who sent the text message to Mr. Taylor that they should go their separate ways. Wouldn't you agree? Not initially. So, are you saying that Mr. Taylor wanted to part ways first? He made mention of it. Okay. And when did he make mention of it? When she found out she was pregnant. And where did you see that? Did she tell you that in person or via text or how did she tell me? [01:00:16] Speaker 4: It might be in her text messages or she might have told me or she probably told me on the phone. [01:00:20] Speaker ?: Right. [01:00:20] Speaker 3: Because I've looked at the text messages. That's not there. [01:00:23] Speaker ?: On the phone. [01:00:23] Speaker 5: So, when Ms. Benning sent the text on November the 6th, in fact, she said, we're at an impasse. [01:00:35] Speaker 3: Isn't that what she said? She sent the text message to you. You testified to it. Remember? Yeah. Can I see Ms. text message? Please. [01:00:53] Speaker 1: Back and forth. [01:01:22] Speaker 3: That's the text that you testified to on direct examination that you edited, correct? And that's the one where it was Ms. Benning who sent the text message to Mr. Taylor. Isn't that right? Mm-hmm. And what she says is, we need to go our separate ways. Isn't that what she said? [01:01:57] Speaker 4: Do you want me to read it? [01:01:59] Speaker 3: No, I just said it. What did I just say? Yes. And she never shared with you that after that, Mr. Taylor tried to continue to call her, continue to try to force her to have an abortion or anything of the sort, did she? [01:02:13] Speaker 1: No. [01:02:13] Speaker 3: He's working there. I'm sorry. After that text message, Ms. Benning never shared with you that Mr. Taylor tried to force her, coerce her, or do anything. [01:02:23] Speaker 1: Because she was so adamant about keeping it, so you had to go to a different plan. [01:02:26] Speaker 3: You did anything to force her to have an abortion, didn't she? No. [01:02:35] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:02:35] Speaker 3: Now, let's move on to February 25th. But before we do that, you did say on that recognition that you were willing to be this child's father, correct? Mm-hmm. And you were going to move in with her to help raise the baby, correct? It may be. And I think, did you refer to them as your babies, her and the baby, Jade and the baby were your babies? We did actually have. I'm asking if you've ever referred to them as that. I don't either. On February the 25th of 2023, you knew that Ms. Benning was the one who planned this date night, isn't that right? Correct. And she reached out to you about what she should cook. Mm-hmm. And you said she should cook the chicken off right? Right. Because you wanted some. That's your favorite food, right? From her. It is. Okay. And so she and Blaze were going to do Painting with a Twist, and she had created this special night for them, right? Mm-hmm. And even though she had planned a special night for her and Blaze, you decided that you were going to stop by with Fionta to get a play. Mm-hmm. And she wasn't necessarily. [01:03:51] Speaker 1: I'm surprised that judge allows witnesses to just mutter, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, that kind of stuff. Most courts in America, they'll make them say outright yes or no. [01:04:01] Speaker 3: Fairly super excited about that initially, right? [01:04:04] Speaker 1: Well. [01:04:05] Speaker 4: I can't say if she was or not. [01:04:09] Speaker 3: Well, didn't you at one point represent that, well, I bet that girl was saying this bitch. Do you remember saying that? [01:04:17] Speaker 4: Um, not in that way, no. What way was it? Because I told, I said that about Blaze, I was probably thinking that about me because I came by. [01:04:26] Speaker 3: But didn't she suggest that she would pack the food up for you to get the next day? She didn't say it the next day. Okay. When did you think she went? That night. [01:04:34] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:04:34] Speaker 3: And so then you and Keontae then came by, correct? Correct. And when you went there, you talked about that y'all had a room conversation, talked about future plans, correct? Activities, yeah. Future plans of doing things together. Mm-hmm. And Mr. Taylor was involved in those future plans, right? Mm-hmm. And that he actually invited you guys to stay that activity. After we left. Well, he didn't invite you to stay and play cards and you said, no, I don't want to intrude? [01:05:04] Speaker 1: See, if I was lead counsel, which this attorney on the far right is, the blonde-haired lady, these two other counsel, they should be taking notes on what she's saying on cross and just making sure that things are detailed in case they need to do redirect on something. But anyway, doesn't look like the lead prosecutor's really paying attention either. She's looking down and flipping pages. So, not the kind of thing I'd want to see. That was my office. [01:05:37] Speaker 4: Not when I was there. [01:05:39] Speaker 3: Oh, this was after you left? This is when I left. [01:05:41] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:05:41] Speaker 3: And who told you that? Jane. And so, you say that he then, when all of that was going on, you... [01:05:49] Speaker 1: See, judges taking notes on what's being said, but none of the prosecutors are. So, that's bizarre. [01:05:56] Speaker 3: Called it a cute interaction. Do you remember that? Mm-hmm. But you testified on direct that it was somewhat obvious with the black hole thing, right? When discussing the painting. [01:06:05] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:06:06] Speaker 3: So, just the painting and not Mr. Taylor and his view of it. I'm sorry? So, when you were discussing that it was dark, you were only talking about the pain and not Mr. Taylor? I'm sorry about the painting. Because you actually characterized it as a cute interaction, didn't you? Because we were all talking and we just met him for the first time. And there was nothing about that evening that made you feel any way about the way Mr. Taylor was acting work beyond what I said about the painting. But yet, you still called it a cute interaction. For her. Yes. And the painting, if I could have space exhibit 1A and B, please. [01:06:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, three's back. Turning the far left, has a pen down. [01:07:05] Speaker 3: I want to show you the regular chip. I want to show you space exhibit 1A. Do you see that? I do. And this is the painting that you're referring to of Mr. Taylor's, is it not? Correct. And you believe that that's dark. That's the paraphernalization of it? What he described to me was dark. Okay. And he described the dark hole? Yes. And where's the dark hole? I don't know. I don't know what I'm looking at. Now, as it relates to when you left, you remember leaving you and Keontae? Yes. And when you left with Keontae, you guys took your plates and went over to Keontae's house. Right. And then Keontae was going out to hang out with his friends. Is that right? Right. And where was he going? Do you know? I don't know. But he was going to hang out with somebody. But about 9.29, you get a phone call from Ms. Litt. And I think you said that when she called, if I remember correctly, you said that when she picked up the phone, what you heard was, what did you do? What did you put in my drink? Is that right? Mm-hmm. And then, let me see what's in your pocket. So, take that after she said those two things. Is that right? She said those things, correct? But at 9.30, you sent her a text saying, are you talking to me? [01:08:44] Speaker ?: Mm-hmm. [01:08:44] Speaker 3: Why would you think she's talking to you if she's saying, what did you do? [01:08:49] Speaker 4: What did you put in my drink? I didn't think she was talking to me about those things. I was wondering what was going on because she never acknowledged me on the phone. [01:08:57] Speaker 3: Well, wasn't there a time when you were talking to one of the detectives that you said that she was trying to say her name, Nye, Nigea? Did you say that? [01:09:06] Speaker 4: I don't remember that. [01:09:07] Speaker ?: Okay. Okay. [01:09:07] Speaker 3: We'll put a pen in there. And after, I believe you said that after that phone, after that interchange in regards to that, you say that it was something like you never heard before. Isn't that what you said? Okay. And that it appeared like she was in danger. Mm-hmm. And that you had never heard your best friend in that way. [01:09:39] Speaker 8: Correct. [01:09:39] Speaker 3: And that basically she was accusing the man that she was alone in an apartment with for trying to kill him. Right. [01:09:47] Speaker ?: Mm-hmm. [01:09:47] Speaker 3: You didn't think it would have been important to call 911? It wasn't important to call 911. So why didn't you? I was not there. You didn't have to be there to call 911, did you? No, but I didn't have anything. What was I going to report? What you just said. Everything that you reported to those police officers at the hospital, you could have reported to 911, correct? [01:10:05] Speaker 4: And if they would have asked me questions about her physical state, I would have not been able to provide those answers. [01:10:10] Speaker 3: Well, didn't you say to those officers, she sounded sluggish? Mm-hmm. She said that I can't feel my legs. Mm-hmm. Didn't you say that, she said, I feel like I'm about to pass out? Mm-hmm. [01:10:21] Speaker 4: Isn't that directly related to her physical condition? I was not there to answer any questions that they would have asked me. [01:10:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, but also, this also cuts against your client because Mr. Taylor was there to directly observe it. He was the one that should have called 911. He should have been on the phone. If she's relaying this information to Ms. Jackson, he should have been well beforehand calling 911. So this is, it's whatever she tries to drag out of this witness and make her look bad, it still makes it look way worse for the defendant. [01:10:58] Speaker 4: It's only beyond what I provided for them, if I would have called. [01:11:01] Speaker 3: But you were so concerned that you stopped what you were doing and you drove over there. Yes. What were you going to do? [01:11:07] Speaker 4: What was I going to do when? [01:11:08] Speaker 3: When you got there. [01:11:09] Speaker 4: If 911 wasn't calling, I would have called 911. I would have ringed an eight. [01:11:13] Speaker 3: You had that opportunity 29 minutes before you got there. [01:11:16] Speaker 5: Is that a question? [01:11:17] Speaker 3: Yes. Why didn't you do that? [01:11:19] Speaker 5: You asked her that. [01:11:20] Speaker 4: Then you stated that at some point that she asked you to call Keontae. Isn't that true? I didn't say she asked me to call Keontae. I mentioned the words that I heard of his name. Okay. [01:11:31] Speaker 3: And so she never then, are you stating that she never told you to call Keontae on the three-way? No. May I have a moment, Your Honor. Did you ever tell Detective Smith that? I don't recall. Would it refresh your memory if you were to take a look at Detective Smith transgressive talking to you? Sure. May I have a moment? [01:11:49] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:12:02] Speaker 3: We have a recording. [01:12:04] Speaker 5: You said you wanted to show her a transgressive. [01:12:07] Speaker 3: Where is that? Right here. Okay. [01:12:10] Speaker 1: I mean, I got this at one and a quarter speed, but the defense counsel just doesn't have a good tone, I think, that's coming across well with the jury. [01:12:40] Speaker 3: So, after that, you go on to say, now, with Keontae, she really didn't know him, did she? She knew who he was. Well, Mr. Jones testified she had only met him twice. I said she knew who he was. Okay, but she didn't know him very well, did you? [01:13:04] Speaker 4: No. [01:13:05] Speaker 3: Did her father live here? Whose father? Chase? Ms. Bennings. [01:13:08] Speaker 4: No. [01:13:10] Speaker 3: Did her stepmother live here? Yes. Okay. And so, instead of her suggesting to call someone that she actually knows a little better, she would ask you to call someone that she's only met twice? Objection, Your Honor, the witness has already said... [01:13:24] Speaker 5: Yes, she didn't say that. She did that. [01:13:26] Speaker 3: Well, you interpreted it that way because you called Keontae, correct? [01:13:29] Speaker 8: Objection, Your Honor, the witness is testifying in the question. [01:13:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, she's interjecting stuff to fit her theory. [01:13:40] Speaker 8: The attorney is, this witness has not said it, please. [01:13:44] Speaker 5: Do you want to clarify whether this young lady witness was told by Ms. Denny to call Keontae? [01:13:51] Speaker 3: What made you call Keontae? I heard the word cheat. Okay. And so, you thought that to mean what? She was asking for him. Why do you feel like she would be gossiping? Because she was scared. That's how she sounded to me. So, again, I'll ask you. Why would you think, with her being scared, that she would want to call someone she's only known or only met twice? I have no idea. But that's what you did, correct? So, when Keontae gets on the phone, you then state that he asks, Blaise, man, did you do this? Right? [01:14:27] Speaker 4: I said he asked, what did you do or what happened? I don't remember that exact verdict. [01:14:32] Speaker 3: And so, you don't remember the exact verbiage now? [01:14:36] Speaker 4: I just said what I said. He said, what did you do or what happened or something along those lines. Yes. And how did Mr. Taylor respond? He said he didn't know. [01:14:45] Speaker 3: Okay. He didn't know what happened. And so, how would you not know what happened? [01:14:52] Speaker 1: I mean, you say something. [01:14:53] Speaker ?: I mean, you say something. [01:14:53] Speaker 1: Look, she was doing this. She ate half of her plate. And as she was finishing, you know, the other half, that's when all of a sudden she started coughing and gagging. I mean, there's no details being given to anyone at any point that makes it come across like anything other than the fact that he's just trying to gloss over the details, which is an indicator of culpability. [01:15:19] Speaker 3: You finally hear what's going on. You drive over there, correct? I was already on the way over there when she called me. And you were over there because you were on your way over there because you felt like she was in dire straits. In what? Dire straits. I mean, she was in trouble. She was, yes. [01:15:36] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:15:36] Speaker 3: And so, you get over there. Do you call her mother before you get there, given the fact that she was in so much trouble? I called her mother, yes. Before you got there, did you call her mother? Yes. I thought you didn't call her mother until you got there. Is that not right? I never said that. Okay. So, when exactly did you call her mother? After Blaise told me he was calling 911. [01:15:57] Speaker 6: Okay. [01:15:58] Speaker 3: And so, when you got there, you actually, well, before you got there, you talked about at 947, you made the second call. I don't remember what time. You don't remember what time you said that you called the second time? I don't remember exactly what time, no. Okay. And then, when you get there, in fact, 911 is there. Is it not? [01:16:20] Speaker 2: Okay. [01:16:20] Speaker 3: The EMS was there just like he said. And you said that when you arrived, that he was frantic. [01:16:31] Speaker 4: Isn't that what you said? I said he was pacing back and forth, like anxiously panicking. Yes. And you were panicking too, weren't you? [01:16:38] Speaker 3: I was. And you were jumping on the back of the ambulance? Were the paramedics and EMT allowing you to do that? They told me that I needed to go to Nathan and Vanderbilt. Did they try to stop you from jumping on the back of the ambulance? [01:16:51] Speaker 4: I didn't jump on the back of the ambulance. I was trying to see through the window what was going on with Jamie. [01:16:57] Speaker 3: And were you getting in the way of the paramedics? [01:16:59] Speaker 4: No. [01:17:00] Speaker 3: Not at all? No. And you feel like jumping on the back and trying to look at Sally? [01:17:06] Speaker 5: She said she didn't do that. [01:17:08] Speaker 3: Would you be surprised to know that someone testified that you didn't? [01:17:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, she's trying to insert some stuff there that is improper. So at least she's being stopped from doing so. But it just looks bad. The jury's going to pick up on this that you're not being a straight shooter, counsel. [01:17:35] Speaker 3: When you got to the hospital, you had to check into the hospital, didn't you? I did. And when you checked into the hospital, you had to go through a metal detector? I did. And they gave you a visitor's credit? I don't remember. But you did have to go through a metal detector? I did. [01:17:58] Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, Leah. I'm kind of too. [01:18:03] Speaker 3: Now, when you guys left Ms. Benny's home, Mr. Taylor didn't go back upstairs, did he? Yeah. He went straight to the hospital just like you did. Correct. So he never had an opportunity to go back upstairs, did he? Objection. Your IR calls for speculation. All right. I'll sustain that. Correction. Did you see Mr. Taylor get in his vehicle? Oh, did you see him get in his vehicle? [01:18:27] Speaker 6: Yes. [01:18:28] Speaker 3: And did you see him drive off? [01:18:29] Speaker 6: Yes. [01:18:29] Speaker 3: So he didn't have an opportunity to go back upstairs, did he? Not at that point in time, no. You talked about that when he got there, that he referred to Ms. Benny as his girlfriend. Is that right? Correct. And you told officers that you didn't believe that they were in fact dating. I said they were not dating. They were not dating. But isn't it true that they claimed that they had her? Exclusive boyfriend and girlfriend. But I thought you just said they weren't dating. Because you didn't qualify it exclusively, did you? No. You said dating, didn't you? Yes. But they were on a date night, isn't that true? Correct. And then you testified on direct that she wanted more, correct? I said that? Yes, you did. [01:19:17] Speaker 2: Okay. [01:19:18] Speaker 3: And then they saw each other two to three times a week. Didn't you say that? I said sometimes. And in fact, they had seen each other three days in a row that week. I don't remember. [01:19:28] Speaker 8: I'm going to object to Ms. Hollins asking her questions, insinuating that she made those statements. Ms. Jackson did not make those statements. You know, she didn't testify to it. [01:19:40] Speaker 3: She has not said that they saw each other the last three days. That is not. No, I didn't say that. I asked her that. I should be able to ask the witness questions. What? [01:19:49] Speaker 5: Yeah. Go ahead. [01:19:51] Speaker 3: When you first got to the hospital, it was you who accused Mr. Taylor of doing anything wrong. Isn't that true? Say what? It was you who accused Mr. Taylor of doing anything wrong. [01:20:05] Speaker 4: Of doing anything wrong. I understand. [01:20:06] Speaker 1: Doing anything wrong. That's like a disjointed, fragmented sentence. Doesn't make any sense. Accused him of doing anything wrong. [01:20:16] Speaker 4: With Ms. Bennett doing something to her. I simply told everyone that I spoke with what I heard on the phone. [01:20:23] Speaker 3: And do you remember if she said anything like that when Mr. Jones was on the phone? No, she did not. So he never heard what you heard? No, not at the beginning of the phone call. And in fact, when Mr. Jones was on the phone, there were no accusations made by Ms. Thin. Isn't that true? She wasn't really able to say anything at that point. Well, did you testify that she was able to say some words? [01:20:50] Speaker 4: Yes, prior to me calling Kiyoteng. So after calling Kiyoteng, you're saying she never said any more words at all. We could hear her, but nothing made sense at that point. But she was saying something? Nothing substantial of anything that we could understand of. [01:21:06] Speaker 1: She was rapidly dying. [01:21:08] Speaker 3: And it's your testimony that you do not remember exactly what time that second phone call was? I don't remember what time that second phone call was. What time was the first call? [01:21:18] Speaker 4: 929. [01:21:19] Speaker 3: And how long did it last? Six minutes. And so that would take us to 935? Sure. Okay. And so can my last face exhibit the NFB bird? [01:21:33] Speaker 1: No, that's not a basis. [01:21:34] Speaker 3: What do you need? [01:21:36] Speaker 2: The NFB bird. [01:21:38] Speaker ?: That's it. [01:21:39] Speaker 2: That's it. [01:21:39] Speaker 8: No, the state will agree that the time of- [01:21:58] Speaker 5: Okay, let's just see what she- what are you wanting to ask? [01:22:01] Speaker 3: I have to get- isn't it true? Well, you wouldn't know. Would you be surprised to know that Mr. Taylor called 911 at 938? I don't know what time he called 911. That's why I was going to get the record. If he called 911 at 938, you called back a second time, correct? I did. And when you called back the second time, how long did that conversation last? I don't remember. And when you got to his house, you will agree with me that EMS was already there. [01:22:37] Speaker 4: I did not go to his house. [01:22:39] Speaker 3: I'm sorry. To Ms. Taylor's house. [01:22:41] Speaker 4: EMS was already there, yes. [01:22:43] Speaker 3: And didn't he, when you called with him, didn't he tell you that, I think I hear them outside? He said, I hear siren. [01:22:54] Speaker 1: You need to humanize your client. If you're a defense attorney, saying he for your client, you should always call him by his first name. So she should be saying blaze instead of he. All this he stuff isn't as helpful. [01:23:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, he made an internet or something. And that would have been on the second call, correct? Correct. [01:23:17] Speaker 1: Because then Jerry's saying, who's he? Is she talking about Keontae? Is she talking about blaze? It's like, it's making it easier if the jury did I just. [01:23:35] Speaker 3: When you left Ms. Benny's home and got to the hospital, did you gain access to Ms. Benny's phone? No. You didn't have Ms. Benny's phone? Oh, I'm sorry. I had her phone, yes. Okay. And who gave you that phone? I got it from blaze. Okay. And where did you get it from? I don't remember. Do you know when he gave it to you? [01:23:55] Speaker 4: No. [01:23:56] Speaker 3: But you had it at the hospital? I got it from him at the hospital, yes. Can you tell the jury about how long it was before you got the phone? Was it an hour, two hours? Did you even know? Her phone? No. I don't know. What did you do with the phone when you had it? [01:24:12] Speaker 1: She's very short on her memory. Some of it I think is selective and other parts I understand she had to go to the bathroom or something. So maybe she was just saying, I don't know, hoping it gets over quicker, the questioning. [01:24:27] Speaker 4: I had it in my hand or my first, I don't remember. [01:24:31] Speaker 3: And what, if anything, did you do with the phone? I didn't do anything with the phone. You testified that Keontae showed up. Is that right? At the hospital? Yes. Did any of the police officers tell you that they wanted to speak to Keontae? [01:24:46] Speaker 8: No. [01:24:47] Speaker 3: Oh, yes. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. Okay. So when Keontae showed up at the hospital, did you tell him, hey, the police want to talk to you and get your side of the story? [01:24:55] Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm going to stop it there. I think you get the gist of it. Let's go back on. Let's see here. I'm going to jump to some other key testimony from yesterday, but let me first go over a few things. To summarize, so for day three, we heard about the toxic relationship and heard about the investigation timeline and electronics communications between Taylor and Benning leading up to the poisoning. They also provided testimony about the search warrants executed and the processing of the electronic evidence. Day four had to do with high cocaine levels and the black hole text. And there we had state expert witnesses testifying that Benning suffered severe brain damage and died of acute alcohol, cocaine toxicity. They confirmed the juries that the dissolved cocaine insider system was the highest they've ever seen, not only for that AME, but for the whole office combined. And there was also a close friend of Benning and that was having to do with a text exchange with Taylor referencing the newborn baby's nursery, like a black hole that he would name midnight saying that it was along the lines of the and that it was along the line. And then the other day, the further you look, the deeper you go. And then day five, I want to hear from two key witnesses. So there was some investigation flaws, like they didn't secure the scene properly. They didn't, there weren't the ones to grab the physical evidence in question, like the, the comforter that Jade was lying on. But the state wind wound up resting Saturday. It's really odd for the state to have this case on a Saturday. I've only seen that in court marshals where we go through way beyond supper or go for, uh, a weekend day. I think it tends to make the system look rushed. Like they're hurry up. They want the jury to hurry up and convict the defendant. I don't know if it's because the defense counsel from out of town, they want to save money and get the case over with quicker as well. But it's just, it's just very odd. I think it's disrespectful to the jury's time and, um, just don't like the optics of that. Okay. So let's go ahead and listen to Apple Denny and Bridget Burke. Okay. Hold on a second here. Okay. Okay. One more to share it here. All right. So this is a former girlfriend. Her name's Apple Denny. And this is very, very significant information. And to me, this really tips the scales. If there's any reasonable doubt, this thing blows it out of the water. So let's go ahead and see here. [01:29:01] Speaker 7: And how old were you when you started dating him? [01:29:23] Speaker 8: Um, 18. And can you describe, um, how long did you date him? [01:29:33] Speaker 7: Um, a couple of years through 2018, um, it was breakups and other breakups get back together. So at the time when it gets a little foggy, which for reference, you said they all began dating when you were 18. How old are you now? Um, uh, 28. [01:29:52] Speaker 8: And what year were you in school? [01:29:54] Speaker 7: Um, I started fall of 2016 and wait, yes, fall of 2016. And I met him in November of that year. [01:30:02] Speaker 8: And what year was he in school? I believe he was a junior, senior. Do you remember how old he was? No. But he was a couple of years older. Did you stop here? Yes. Um, and did you continue to date into the beginning of that next year, early 2017? Yes. And at some point in your relationship, did you ever become pregnant? Yes. And about when did that happen? Um, January of 2017. And when that happened, did you talk to Mr. Taylor about it? Yes. And can you describe kind of what were your feelings when you learned that you were pregnant? [01:30:39] Speaker 7: Um, I was really scared, um, and confused. [01:30:45] Speaker 8: Um, I knew I wasn't ready to have a kid. Um, was that your reaction kind of from the beginning and was, did it stay that way? Yes. I, like, immediately, like, that wasn't something that I thought I wanted for myself. Was that something that you felt like you could talk to your parents about at the time? No. Um, and so, from the time that you found out, what did you ultimately end up doing? I had an abortion. And was there any point in which you changed your mind about that? No. Um, and Mr. Taylor, did he accompany you to the appointments for them? Yes. And was there one appointment or was there more than one? There was two. And did he go to both of those appointments with you? Yes. And can you describe at that first appointment, what information was provided to you about the options? [01:31:40] Speaker 7: There were two different types of abortions that I could have. One was the procedure and-- Okay. That's where I wanted to describe it. [01:31:50] Speaker 5: Your other is fine. Okay. We, uh, we'll look at you. Go ahead. Thank you, Your Honor. [01:31:55] Speaker 7: And the other was taking a pill at the center and then taking one when you got home. And that would induce the abortion. [01:32:02] Speaker 8: And did you discuss those two options with Mr. Taylor during that time that you were going [01:32:07] Speaker ?: to do this? Yes. Um, and did you, which option did you ultimately choose? [01:32:13] Speaker 8: I had the procedure at the facility. And did he accompany you to that visit? [01:32:18] Speaker 7: Yes. [01:32:20] Speaker 8: Um, and at any point, did you meet his parents? Yes. Um, did y'all continue to date after that? Um, and you said that you broke up, but then you would get back together. Yes. Um, and when you broke up, was there anyone in particular that he might have dated while you were broken up? Yes. And who was that? Her name was Xavier. And what was her last name? Uh, Winford? [01:32:47] Speaker 1: Xavier. [01:32:48] Speaker 7: Did you know Ms. Winford? Yes. And not personally, um, but I knew her through him, I believe that the interactions. [01:32:58] Speaker 8: And can you describe what was your understanding? What was his relationship with her? [01:33:03] Speaker 7: Someone that he dated before he met me, um, or didn't date. He said they were never together, that he would never bring her home to his parents and that she was crazy and that he had to block her. And it was like that situation. [01:33:18] Speaker 8: And at some point, um, did he come to you and talk to you about something that happened with her? Yes. And what was it that he came to tell you about? That, uh, he got her pregnant. And what was the timeframe that this occurred? [01:33:35] Speaker 7: This was the summer of 2017. And what was his demeanor like when he came to you to tell you about this? Very erratic. Like he, like, he was upset, um, didn't want to have a baby with her. That's what he was telling me. [01:33:50] Speaker 1: I didn't mean to post that. I'm not going to have a debate here. So, uh, I struck that comment. Let's stick to this case here. [01:34:00] Speaker 8: Um, this was something that he couldn't do. Was that a different reaction than he had when you told him you were pregnant, but you did not want to keep the baby? [01:34:08] Speaker 7: Yes. It was like, what? Like how I was like panicked the first time around when he was freaking out, when it was her. [01:34:14] Speaker 8: And when you say he was freaking out, how did he act when he was panicked? [01:34:19] Speaker 7: Um, really erratic. And, like, he, then he would say like he could control the situation. Um, it went on for like a few days of us like talking about it. Um, but like that night he was like trying to figure out if there was something that he could do. Um, he was Googling things. Um, so he was looking stuff up to figure out how she, like, if there was something he could do to make her have an abortion. Um, and asked me if I could get the abortion pills and he could make her take them or put it in a drink. [01:34:54] Speaker 1: Yeah. Spike her drink. There you go. So this is like bombshell, bombshell testifying of this witness. This shows his mindset. If I can't get a girl to have an abortion that I'm going to be financially responsible for, I will make sure it happens one way or the other, including going behind her back and spiking her drink. That's his mindset. [01:35:21] Speaker 8: And so you talked to him over a period of a couple of days. Is that correct? [01:35:25] Speaker 1: So him suddenly trying to ingratiate himself and, oh, let's start dating again. And, oh, you know, we're, we're going to start hanging out together. He's just looking for the opportunity to spike her drink and he couldn't do it the first time he went out with her. Right. It looked too suspicious. So this happens very quick though. He didn't waste much time, uh, trying to get back in her life because she had moved on. She didn't want anything to do with him. If he wanted her to terminate the pregnancy. And he was saying, if you, if you do want to have the baby, you're not, I'm not going to be involved in your life anymore. We're not going to date anymore. That was, that was his initial response. Right. So. [01:36:02] Speaker 8: Yes. And what was he telling you? I mean, he's telling you that he's trying to figure out something that he can give her. Yeah. Was she wanting to have an abortion based on what he said? [01:36:12] Speaker 7: No. He said she would go back and forth. Um, and he would like tell her, well, I'm not going to, like, I'm not going to be a part of the child's life thinking that that would convince her to not. I don't have it because that's ultimately what he said, like she wanted. And then she, they would just go back and forth about it. And Sunday he would say, I think it's, I think she's going to do it. And I think she's not going to do it, but she didn't want to. [01:36:33] Speaker 8: And he said that he was telling her he wouldn't be a part of the child's life. Was he also saying like not part of her life? Yeah. Like he wouldn't have anything to do with her if she went forward with it. [01:36:43] Speaker 1: Sounds familiar, right? [01:36:45] Speaker 8: Kind of like an ultimatum. Yeah. Um, and he asked you if you could get the abortion pill. for him so that he could make her take it and put it in her dream. Is that right? Yes. [01:36:57] Speaker 5: Okay. She just acknowledged what the bill said. Go ahead. [01:37:00] Speaker 8: Did you do that? [01:37:03] Speaker 7: Did I get the bill? [01:37:05] Speaker 8: No. Was that even, uh, not saying that you would agree to do that, but is that even possible? [01:37:11] Speaker 7: No. [01:37:11] Speaker 8: And did you explain that to him? Yes. And you said that it went over a couple of days. Did he talk about anything else that he might be able to get to the living room? Definitely. [01:37:25] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:37:25] Speaker 5: I don't know if you just ask him to do it. [01:37:28] Speaker 8: Yes. And the things that he was mentioning, how did he get that information? [01:37:34] Speaker 7: He said he was looking stuff on his phone. I couldn't, like, see what he was looking at, um, but he had his phone in his hand. [01:37:41] Speaker 8: And I guess, what, if anything else, did you discuss with him about Ms. Winford and Ms. Winford getting an abortion? [01:37:51] Speaker 7: Um, he had asked me to make the appointment and said that he thinks that he could convince her by the time the appointment came to get the abortion. [01:37:59] Speaker 8: And what would be the reason that he would need you to call to meet the appointment? [01:38:03] Speaker 7: Because she wouldn't call herself, um, but he wanted to go ahead and get an appointment set. [01:38:08] Speaker 1: So that's how his mindset operates. You will get an abortion. I'll even enlist an old girlfriend to make an appointment posing as you. So I can just basically, in essence, drag her to the abortion clinic and get the abortion and force her to make that decision that's forever can't be changed once it's made. [01:38:32] Speaker 8: Is there a waiting time for, sorry, was there going to be a delay from the time you called when the appointment would actually be scheduled? Um, can you rephrase that? Sorry. You said that he wanted you to schedule the appointment because he thought he could convince her to do it and didn't want her to change her mind. Yeah. I'm asking if there was going to be like a time period. [01:38:53] Speaker 7: Yes. Um, and he didn't want, like they were booked, so he didn't want her to finally decide to and then not be able to get it. [01:39:00] Speaker 8: Yep. And did you agree and call and schedule that appointment? [01:39:04] Speaker ?: Yes. [01:39:05] Speaker 1: So pose as Xavier and get that appointment because it needs to happen fast. [01:39:13] Speaker 8: Did you pretend to be her? Yes. Um, and do you know if she went to the appointment that you scheduled? I, yes, I assume it was that appointment. And you said you assume, I guess, do you know what ultimately happened with that pregnancy? Yes, that she had abortion. That's what I was told. And do you know, did Mr. Taylor continue to see Ms. Winford after that time frame? That would have been summer of 2017. Yes. And do you have any knowledge if he's continued to see her since then? [01:39:44] Speaker 7: Yes. I, I'm promising so. [01:39:46] Speaker 5: Objective. The personal credit, she, I described it, but she just thinks so. [01:39:53] Speaker 8: Do you have any knowledge about that? [01:39:56] Speaker 7: I saw a post of her at, uh, game. And that was, I'm just asking if she has personal knowledge of the two of them being together. [01:40:09] Speaker 5: When it was something to take you up or when it was posted, she doesn't know that. [01:40:13] Speaker ?: Okay. All right, go ahead. [01:40:16] Speaker 8: Did you know Jade Benning prior to February 25th of 2023? [01:40:22] Speaker 7: I knew of her. We had had some message exchanges on social media. Like, she told me happy birthday, vice versa. [01:40:28] Speaker 8: And what was the connection between you and Jade Benning? [01:40:31] Speaker 7: She was in a similar area. Like, the Little Rock area was pretty small. So, like, a lot of my friends, I grew up with her. So, we kind of just would see each other on social media and connected that way. But I never met her in person. [01:40:42] Speaker 8: So, she was kind of a social media connected friend of other friends. Yes. Did you both participate in the same athletic sport? [01:40:50] Speaker 7: I don't, I think I was told she shared, but I never, like, met her through that. But we've had both been cheerleaders at some point. [01:40:55] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:40:56] Speaker 8: So, you knew of her, but didn't actually know her, and you had never met her? Yeah. [01:41:01] Speaker 1: This attorney's pretty good. She asked questions very directly, very clear, concise, easy for the witness to understand, good in cadence. Everything's good. So, anyway. [01:41:16] Speaker 8: How did you hear about... [01:41:18] Speaker 1: She's not alienating the jury like I think the defense has been doing. [01:41:22] Speaker 7: What ultimately happened to Jake Benning? One of my, two of my friends had said that they needed to talk to me and called me and told me about what happened. [01:41:32] Speaker 8: And when you say they told you about what happened, about what, like, what was the timing of this? From when the incident happened, Ms. Benning passed away, was it before she passed away? Yes. She was still in the hospital at this time. And so, that would have been kind of right after this incident. Yes. When you say they told you what happened, what kind of information did you get? [01:41:54] Speaker 7: I don't remember, like, verbatim, but they told me that she, they thought that or were told that he might have poisoned her or something of the sort. And, but they, like, didn't have details in that she was in the hospital and they were, like, keeping her own life support, I think, until her birthday. [01:42:16] Speaker 8: And when you heard that, what did you do? Like, immediately after the phone call or? [01:42:23] Speaker 7: Or is it kind of connected to Ms. Benning in this case and how you ended up here today? Um, while I talked to them, they knew about the situation, um, with Xavier in the past. And I want to say maybe a few days later, my friend Aron had reached back out to me and asked if, like, I wanted to connect with Ms. Bridget. And I said, yes, that's fine. I'm, I'm open to helping in any way that I can. And then Ms. Bridget reached out to me. And then from there it was Detective Reese and so on and so forth. [01:42:55] Speaker 8: And did you talk to Detective Reese and provide him with the information that you've just testified about? Yes. And then did you also meet with Detective Reese, myself, and Deputy Moore, and Ms. Houston? Yes. And Arkansas? And did you provide us with that information as well? [01:43:12] Speaker 7: Yes. [01:43:14] Speaker 1: All right. I can have just one moment. So let's go to the prosecution to show how her knowledge, how this guy's background came to light to her actually becoming a witness. So a lot of, a lot of courage here for this witness. [01:43:27] Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I feel like you said that they told you about Jade. When they told you about Jade, what was your understanding, you know, whether, like, what her condition was? [01:43:39] Speaker 7: That she was pregnant. And you mean, like, her physical state? Or just thought that she was pregnant? But the information that you got from the friends was that she was pregnant. Yes. And there was suspicion. Something happened to her and they were thinking that it was plays and that she was in the hospital after that. [01:43:58] Speaker 8: And do you see Mr. Taylor in the courtroom? Yes. And could you point him out and identify him? Thank you, Ms. Hinton. [01:44:09] Speaker 1: All right, so defense doesn't really do much here on cross. That's worthwhile. It's more rabble-rousing. And let's see. [01:44:34] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:44:39] Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and let me see. Let's go ahead and let me see. [01:44:46] Speaker ?: Let's go ahead and let me see. [01:44:46] Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and let me see. [01:44:47] Speaker 9: Let's go ahead and let me see. Can you see what happens when you're not getting to you, too? Go ahead. Go ahead. [01:44:51] Speaker ?: Go ahead. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Go ahead and let me see. Let me see. [01:45:04] Speaker 8: Good afternoon, Ms. Burks. Good afternoon. Can you please take your full name to the record? Bridget Benning-Burks. And Ms. Burks, are you the mother of J. Tristan Binning? Yes. And can you describe when was J. Benning-Borne? [01:45:23] Speaker 6: J. Benning-Borne on March 6, 1998. Do me a favor. [01:45:27] Speaker 5: Just pull that face of that mic over there. [01:45:30] Speaker 1: I'm here. [01:45:31] Speaker 5: Okay. [01:45:32] Speaker 8: And Ms. Burks, did Ms. Benning have any siblings? She had one. [01:45:37] Speaker 6: And who was that? Well, actually, let me correct that. She had two stepbrothers and then she had one half-sister. Was she your only daughter? She was my only child. [01:45:48] Speaker 8: And when you had J., where were you living? Little Rock, Arkansas. And is that where you lived when she grew up? Yes. And can you describe your relationship with your daughter, especially as she's growing up in high school and college, and kind of that time before she moved to Nashville? [01:46:05] Speaker 6: She was my wife. Everything I did was for her. I'm chair competitions, high school chair, supporting her through her culinary, and even supporting her move to Nashville. [01:46:32] Speaker 8: Did you want her to move to Nashville? No. And can you describe how often would you communicate? We text a whole lot. [01:46:41] Speaker 6: This generation likes to text versus talk, but it's pretty much everything. [01:46:48] Speaker 8: And can you describe your relationship with Jade? Obviously, every mother-daughter relationship is very different. [01:46:54] Speaker ?: Did she tell you things and confide in you about what was going on in her life? Most things. [01:47:00] Speaker 8: There's always things that a child's not going to... Was she fairly forthcoming? Yes. And kind of included you in details about friends and if she was dating someone and things like that? [01:47:11] Speaker ?: Yes. [01:47:12] Speaker 8: And can you describe when she moved to Nashville? Where did she start living initially? Like, what time frame was that when she moved here? [01:47:22] Speaker 6: She actually left Arkansas about the last week of 2021. Okay. She was starting January 1st, 2022 at her new job. [01:47:34] Speaker 8: And can you describe when she excited to start as a show? Very excited. Did you come and visit her here in Nashville? Yes. And what, if anything, do you know about this Nigeria Jackson? She's my second child. [01:47:50] Speaker 6: She's my adopted daughter. [01:47:52] Speaker 8: Is it fair to say that her and Jade have been friends almost their entire lives? Yes. And were you aware of how close they were when they were both living here in Nashville? Yes. And kind of preface question, did your daughter have any allergies? No. No? Any allergies of any kind? No. Any allergies of any allergies? [01:48:17] Speaker ?: No. [01:48:18] Speaker 8: Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? [01:48:33] Speaker ?: No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? [01:48:41] Speaker 8: No. [01:48:42] Speaker 6: Any allergies of any allergies? [01:48:43] Speaker ?: No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? [01:48:47] Speaker 6: No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. [01:48:54] Speaker 8: Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. [01:49:04] Speaker ?: Any allergies of any allergies? [01:49:05] Speaker 8: No. [01:49:06] Speaker 6: Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? [01:49:17] Speaker ?: No. Any allergies of any allergies? [01:49:19] Speaker 6: No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. Any allergies of any allergies? No. [01:49:24] Speaker ?: Any allergies of any allergies? [01:49:25] Speaker 8: No. [01:49:26] Speaker 6: What was your reaction? I was shocked. I said, wow, is this yours? [01:49:29] Speaker ?: And she said, yep. [01:49:30] Speaker 6: I said, I guess we're having a baby. And can you describe what was your daughter's reaction? She was delayed. I asked her, we are having a baby. And she confirmed, yes. Was she? [01:49:36] Speaker 8: It says delayed. I think she said elated. I guess, kind of having a baby. [01:49:39] Speaker ?: Yes. Was she? It says delayed. Delayed. I think she said elated. [01:49:43] Speaker 6: I guess, kind of have that attitude of yes, she was going to fairly quickly after finding out. Yes. Immediately, abortion was not an abortion for her. [01:49:50] Speaker 8: And did you and her discuss that? Yes. Um, what if anything did she tell you about the father of the baby when she told you she she was pregnant? [01:50:00] Speaker 6: When she told me she had not gotten pregnant. And did you guys discuss kind of that process of her telling him? Very vaguely. [01:50:07] Speaker 8: Because she was working. And I mean, she just said she was going to tell him. And she just said she was going to tell him. And she just said she was going to tell him. And she said she was going to tell him. And she was going to tell him. And she was going to tell him. And she was going to tell him. And she was going to tell him. And she was going to tell him. And she was going to tell him. [01:50:22] Speaker ?: And she was going to tell him. [01:50:23] Speaker 6: And she was going to tell him. [01:50:24] Speaker 8: And she was going to tell him. And she was going to tell him. And she was going to tell him. And she just said she was going to tell him. And are you. Did she contact you and let you know what happened? I text her. Because I worked days. [01:50:37] Speaker 6: She worked nights. And asked how it would go. And she said not good. [01:50:43] Speaker 8: And did you continue to communicate with her about kind of what was going on with her pregnancy. As well as if she was having any contact with her. Yes. [01:50:52] Speaker 6: When she told me that he did not want the baby. And when you say she told you he did not want the baby. And what did she say? That he wanted her to have an abortion. [01:50:59] Speaker 8: Did he kind of get her. [01:51:00] Speaker 6: I guess. [01:51:01] Speaker ?: Did she feel like she had some choice. [01:51:02] Speaker 8: Or was that a definitive. If she had the baby. He wanted nothing to do with the baby. There you go. His name. He didn't want the child to ever know who he was. Wow. That's what she told me. That's what she told me. [01:51:12] Speaker ?: And after that was. I guess his decision. [01:51:12] Speaker 8: What did Jake do? Did that change her mind at all about having her baby? No. Because myself, my husband, her father. Her stepmother. [01:51:17] Speaker ?: Her family and friends. [01:51:17] Speaker 8: All made it very clear that that baby. [01:51:18] Speaker 6: Yeah. [01:51:19] Speaker 2: Yeah. [01:51:20] Speaker ?: That is definitive. [01:51:21] Speaker 6: If she had the baby. If she had the baby. He wanted nothing to do with the baby. There you go. [01:51:25] Speaker 1: His name. [01:51:26] Speaker ?: He didn't want the child to ever know who he was. [01:51:27] Speaker 8: Wow. [01:51:28] Speaker 1: That's what she told me. [01:51:29] Speaker 8: And after. That was. I guess. His decision. What did Jake do? [01:51:34] Speaker 6: Did that change her mind at all about having her baby? No. Because. Myself. My husband. Her father. Her stepmother. Her family and friends. All made it very clear that that baby and her would be very loved and taken care of regardless. [01:51:48] Speaker 8: And did you and her dad both support her in having the baby regardless if Mr. Taylor was going to claim the baby or be involved? 100%. And did your daughter Jade, did she send you pregnancy updates along the way? And specifically kind of in that January, February time when she started showing more. Was she sending you pictures and updates about what was going on? Yes. Videos. And I have a video on a thumb drive as well as a set of photographs. And I have a video that I'll put on a thumb drive. [01:52:23] Speaker ?: And I have it all ready to commit. [01:52:23] Speaker 8: Okay. [01:52:24] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:52:25] Speaker 8: Okay. Okay. [01:52:27] Speaker 9: What is it you need? Oh, I'm sorry, if I can have food, the witness can be handed a set of my photograph, and I have a video that I'll put on a thumb drive, and I have it all ready to do. [01:52:57] Speaker 1: Mmm, poor mom. [01:53:09] Speaker 5: You need these back or you have them? No, I have them back. Okay, switch it to there. I have it. Okay. [01:53:17] Speaker 8: Ms. Burke, there's a video that's one of the videos that Jade sent you. Did she send it to you by text message? Yes. [01:53:25] Speaker 6: In the video, she's saying 19 weeks. [01:53:32] Speaker 8: Can Jade send you videos and pictures like that often? [01:53:50] Speaker 1: All right. I think the jury's impression right there, you see this mother adores the baby in her womb. She's not going to do anything to hurt that baby. She's the kind of mother that's going to do everything she can to protect it. I'm going to do a family of love, at least on her extended family there in Arkansas. Little Rock, I've made that trip between Nashville and Little Rock a number of times. It's about six and a half hours. And so, anyway, the thing is, that doesn't look like a mother that's going to take any kind of drug in her system, especially not cocaine of all things. Load up on cocaine, you're not used to using it. You've never used it before. And you're going to load up on some cocaine or any kind of very, very harsh drug like that. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think that's a smart move by the prosecution to play that video of her rubbing her belly like that. [01:54:49] Speaker 8: And I say often, I mean, almost at least every week, if not multiple times a week. Yes. And can you describe what all was she doing to prepare to have the baby in that kind of January, February, those last few weeks? [01:55:02] Speaker 6: We spent a lot of time texting, looking at Facebook Marketplace, making purchases. She would make purchases here in Nashville, and I was doing the same in the world. [01:55:12] Speaker 8: And were you and her together both preparing for a nursery for her baby girl? Yes. And I just handed you some photographs. I'm going to ask that the video on the thumb drive, we made for use of it. [01:55:27] Speaker ?: All right. [01:55:28] Speaker 8: All right. 51. And then the photographs could be 54. All right. [01:55:33] Speaker 5: 53, 54. [01:55:34] Speaker 8: Ms. Burks, you were here when Detective Miller showed that she sent you a series of nine photographs. Are these the photographs that she sent you on February 6th of 2023? Yes, they are. And this is the first image, this second image. Did you recognize where she was in this picture? In her picture. And specifically, there is a camera to the left of the stove. Were you familiar with that camera? Yes, I purchased it for her. And were you aware, is that where she typically kept that camera? Yes. And this next image is three. Is that another picture that she took that day? Correct. And the next image is number four. And then this photograph is number five. Can you describe what's in it? Her envelope is in it. And had she just found out that she was having a baby girl? Yes. And this next picture, do you recognize that picture specifically? Yes. And was that a picture that she kind of kept? Yes. And this next photograph. Can you describe what's in that one? [01:56:52] Speaker 6: She was holding ultrasound and some Ben and Jerry's half-baked ice cream. [01:56:58] Speaker 8: And she was about halfway through, right? Correct. And then this last photograph. Just holding the Ben and Jerry's half-baked ice cream. And then this last one is kind of a collage pic that she sent you about multiple things. Correct. Correct. That timeframe, right then, when she was sending you those photographs, she had just had the appointment about the gender. And was there something going on with her pregnancy where she was going to have some more moments that week? [01:57:30] Speaker 6: Yes. When they did the ultrasound, they saw something on the heart. And so they wanted to do some testing to make sure that they did not have any kind of down syndrome or anything else wrong with it. [01:57:46] Speaker 8: When you talked to your daughter about that, was she upset about it? Or was that a huge concern for her? [01:57:55] Speaker 6: Of course she was nervous. But stayed very positive. We both were positive. And did she find out soon after that that everything was fine? [01:58:04] Speaker ?: Yes. [01:58:06] Speaker 8: Those pictures that she took, which she took a lot of pictures that day in the kitchen, were you aware of her social media? Yes. Did you guys communicate on social media sometimes? Yes. With Instagram and other platforms? Yes. Did she post any of those pregnancy photos to her social media? No. And do you know why? [01:58:32] Speaker 6: Because she told me that I said not want anyone. So she kept everything from it. [01:58:42] Speaker 8: And can you describe your, you still live in Arkansas, is that right? Yes. Were you allowed to tell all of your friends about Jean's pregnancy? No. And I guess you've described that she's very happy about the pregnancy, is that right? Is there anything about you not being allowed to tell people that maybe she was not happy about it? I'm sorry, repeat that. I said, can you explain, like, why would she not be able to tell people? [01:59:12] Speaker 6: Because, as we all know, Lays went to A-State, literally not being the South East. A lot of people went to A-State and there was a lot of mutual people. [01:59:22] Speaker 5: Do you have objections? Yes. And there's definitely a perspective. I think it's a why she thinks- Okay. She's answered in terms of why she wanted her private previously. What's your next question? [01:59:36] Speaker 8: Was there something that was about to happen kind of in the, I guess, week or two following February 25th of 2023 that was going to change that status of you not telling people? [01:59:48] Speaker 6: Yes. And what was that? It was her 25th birthday and she planned on making a vote. [01:59:55] Speaker 8: And can you describe, did she have parties planned? Yes, we had three different baby showers planned. Did you discuss with her how that was going to work? Like, did people know that she was pregnant? [02:00:06] Speaker 6: No. [02:00:08] Speaker 8: But there was a very distinct plan that she was finally going to tell everyone. [02:00:12] Speaker 6: Right. [02:00:13] Speaker 8: Surprise. And that week that it happened, did you talk to your daughter that week? And even specifically on February 25th of 2023, did you message with Jade that night? Yes. And that previously introduced exhibit, Detective Tom Miller. But then, did you recognize that post? [02:00:43] Speaker ?: Yes. And what's that? That's her off radar sauce. And is that a post that Jade made to Instagram to her story that night that February 25th? Yes. And you've seen all of the photos that she took of the date night. [02:00:56] Speaker 8: Did she post any of those? [02:00:58] Speaker 6: No. [02:01:00] Speaker 8: And then this next image, it was Instagram, but it didn't technically say you posted it. Do you recognize that? Yes. And can you describe what that is? That is the chicken spaghetti I made that night. And did you know what she was making or did she know what you were making? No, neither one. And those messages that Detective Miller put on the screen between you and Jade, is that the last time that you talked to her? Yes. Can you describe how you found out? I received a different call from Anastasia Jackson. And can you describe how Miss Jackson sounded on that phone call? [02:01:45] Speaker 6: She was crying, she was frantic. Just said something's happening and I'm on my way. I can't get to her fast enough. [02:01:54] Speaker 8: And did Miss Jackson tell you what she heard Jade say? [02:01:59] Speaker 6: Yes. And what did you do when she called? My husband and I were out. We went straight home, packed it back and headed to Nashville. [02:02:10] Speaker 8: And what time did you get here? [02:02:13] Speaker 6: Approximately 3:00, 3:30 in the morning. [02:02:15] Speaker 8: And when you arrived, who was at the hospital? [02:02:23] Speaker 6: Her. Stayed by her side until I could get here. [02:02:28] Speaker 8: And was Miss Jackson still there? [02:02:31] Speaker 6: No. [02:02:33] Speaker 8: Were any of her other friends there? [02:02:35] Speaker 6: No. She was in ICU and was not allowed to have visitors at the time. Did you at any point see Mr. Taylor there? Yes, when he arrived. He was in the parking garage because he'd been asked to leave once they moved her to ICU. Had you ever seen him before? Never. That was the first night I ever spoke to him. [02:02:56] Speaker 8: And did he speak to you? Yes. And did he tell you what happened to Jade? That he thought she had an allergic reaction. Did he tell you anything about what Jade said on that 6 minute and 9 second call? [02:03:12] Speaker 6: No. [02:03:13] Speaker 8: That was not my name. And after that moment, did you see him again? No. Can you describe that timeframe of being at the hospital? Who was there and what was going on? [02:03:32] Speaker 6: For the first few days, only her parents were allowed in the room. And then once we determined. [02:03:45] Speaker 8: Which means first, I'm going to get to that part. But before that, when you first got there, were there still police there at the hospital? [02:03:53] Speaker ?: No. [02:03:54] Speaker 8: Was anyone there to interview you and tell you about a criminal investigation? No. [02:04:01] Speaker ?: How did that be for you? [02:04:03] Speaker 6: At that point, I just wanted to get to my job. [02:04:07] Speaker 8: At some point when you're at the hospital, I guess, can you describe what's going on as far as any police activity that first day? [02:04:16] Speaker 6: I did not see a police officer during the day. Before I arrived, her stepmother was the one in contact with. I guess it was the detective. [02:04:28] Speaker 8: And I guess at some point, did you get your daughter's phone? [02:04:33] Speaker ?: Yes. [02:04:33] Speaker 8: And when was that? Once I got there. First stepmother gave me her phone and her teeth. And when you got her phone, what did you do with it? [02:04:42] Speaker ?: Put it in my purse. [02:04:44] Speaker 8: At first. At some point, did you look at her phone? Yes. [02:04:49] Speaker ?: And did you have your daughter's passcode? Yes. That kind of shows how close you guys are. So you had her passcode to get in her phone. We had the same passcode. [02:04:58] Speaker 8: And when you got in her phone, what, if anything, did you do? I went directly to her one camera. And that's that camera that we saw that should have been to the left of the stove. I guess kind of based off of everything you know, did she have a current subscription? Do you have any cameras? Yes. Are you familiar with how they work? Yes. If you don't have a subscription, can you still see a live feed? Yes. And can you describe when you looked in her phone, what was it an image of her balcony? [02:05:37] Speaker 6: With her blinds open. Looking out the back, her window, all going to her balcony in her bedroom. [02:05:43] Speaker ?: Can you describe, did that seem normal or what did you think? [02:05:49] Speaker 6: I immediately went into a balcony and asked me why her camera had been moved. Because I knew my child had her camera in her kitchen facing her door. [02:05:56] Speaker 8: And at that point, did you know whether or not Mr. Taylor had access to that apartment? Whether or not he had a key? Yes. And then he did not have a key. [02:06:06] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:06:07] Speaker 8: Because she only had one key. And what was your involvement, if any, in people going over to the apartment? [02:06:15] Speaker 6: As soon as I got off the phone with Mrs. Jackson, you know, I realized that they were headed to the hospital. I immediately called her friend Lauren and said, I don't know what's going on. I need to go straight to Jay's apartment and lock it up. It does not need to be left unlocked. I said, I need you to get her apartment key and take it to Andrea at the hospital. And that's what she did. [02:06:41] Speaker 8: And you know that friends, Mrs. Franklin, they went back to the apartment. Was that something that you directed them to do? [02:06:49] Speaker 6: After discussing the whole camera situation and not knowing, the detective called her stepmother, Andrea Brown. She asked, could we go to the apartment? And we were told yes. [02:07:06] Speaker 8: Was that the detective that was there the first night or Detective Freese? [02:07:09] Speaker 6: The one that was there the first night. [02:07:11] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:07:11] Speaker 8: So your impression is that you'll have permission. Nobody else was coming. I would never have gone into that apartment if we'd have been told him not to. [02:07:26] Speaker 1: So you can really see, there's so many criminal cases that we follow. We can see how the police just routinely botch crime scenes, right? They don't process them properly. They don't even know it's a crime scene. It should automatically be treated as a crime scene. So it's not going to affect the actual guilt or innocence stage. I don't think the defense is going to try to make some hay about it. But I don't think that if they would have secured the scene better and found something. I mean, he had time to rinse out the cup, flush it down the drain, run some water. You know, you can find cocaine in most restaurants in larger cities in America. It'd be really easy to find cocaine in Nashville. So, you know, it's something that, it's just, is this going to be part of human life that we have shoddy police investigations? Can it make a difference in cases and outcomes? Absolutely. I've seen a number of times happen, many times happen in cases I've won because of shoddy police investigations. This is one, though, I think that was not going to go that route for defense. I think defense has, it's got too many, too many strong indicators. And let me see here a minute. I'm going to get to more of that in here a second. Let me finish this up here with this critical testimony from Jade's mom. [02:08:55] Speaker 8: And this works. At some point, detectives showed up and things started moving in the investigation phase. But can you describe what was happening in the hospital? Yeah. [02:09:07] Speaker ?: And this works. What do you do for work? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. [02:09:12] Speaker 6: I work at the hospital. [02:09:13] Speaker ?: Veterans hospital. [02:09:13] Speaker 6: Oh. [02:09:14] Speaker ?: And while you are not. [02:09:14] Speaker 6: I work at the hospital. And while you are not. a medical professional. [02:09:17] Speaker ?: Are you. [02:09:17] Speaker 6: does your job. Does your job make you very familiar. Yeah. [02:09:20] Speaker ?: Yes. [02:09:20] Speaker 6: these medical conditions. I've been there 26 years I've been there. 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[02:12:01] Speaker 1: Okay, Joy Moore, you're saying not convinced he wanted her dead. He just wanted her not pregnant. Well, if you wanted the baby dead, that's murder. Okay? And if you give somebody a lethal amount of drugs, even if you don't think it's lethal and it winds up killing them, that's under Tennessee law murder as well. So you can't say, and I don't believe he intended to kill the mom either. But under the law, you give somebody something like that, a cocktail like that and slip them something in their drink. You spike their drink. Sorry, whatever happens, you're responsible for fully. And if they die, that's murder. [02:12:38] Speaker 10: Did you ever talk to him on the phone? Correct. No, your daughter, Jay, had maybe mentioned him. That was kind of the extent of your contact with Mr. Taylor. Great. He was around her one time, and I said to him, I said hi. Like a video call or a phone call or something. [02:12:54] Speaker 1: I love, Finn, you're saying what's the proof he gave her drugs. Well, it's circumstantial proof, okay? So that's what we have in American justice system is she was alone with him when she died. You put a mass amount of cocaine in somebody, it's going to happen very quickly. So, and he's not being straightforward on what happened. And she surely would not use drugs without him knowing about it. It just doesn't make, none of that makes any sense. So the only thing that makes sense is that she was slipped the cocaine in her drink or in her food. And then you look at motive and any criminal case, especially a murder case, look at motive. And motive is tied in very, very strongly of this case was he didn't want to have to pay child support the rest of the child's life through 18. So that's a huge amount of money. You're probably talking about 600 some thousand bucks over 18 years. So you add all that up. You add up the fact that he was going to poison somebody else's child. If she wasn't agreeing to a boy abortion, his girlfriend, Xavier. So what's that all add up to be? It's like no reasonable doubt at all to this jury. This jury is going to find him guilty. I, I, I would be utterly shocked if it's not a conviction here. So let's see what the rest of this is. I don't remember if it was a video call. [02:14:15] Speaker 6: I just remember one time she was around me and I said, tell him I said hi. But I've never personally spoken with him. [02:14:22] Speaker 10: So your, your comment that her not wanting to post things publicly was because of Blaze. Blaze never told you that, right? I never spoke with him. Okay. I just want to make sure I understood. That was from Jay, right? Correct. [02:14:38] Speaker 1: So what do you imply that she's lying? You know? No, of course. She said that she was scared of his reaction. So she was holding out and going to announce it on her birthday. [02:14:51] Speaker 10: And I know you and your daughter were very close, right? Very close. And I know you've heard a lot of things during this trial, isn't it? [02:15:03] Speaker 1: He did not want her to have that baby. Okay. And he was done with her. He was furious that she was going to have a baby. So he laid load for a while. Then he figured out a scheme to come back and be given an opportunity to spike her food. [02:15:15] Speaker 10: Is it possible there were any little parts of her life that you didn't know about? [02:15:20] Speaker 6: Most kids have parts of their life that they don't tell their parent about. Okay. [02:15:24] Speaker 4: That's fair. [02:15:25] Speaker ?: I appreciate that. [02:15:26] Speaker 1: You don't need evidence of where the drugs came from. If you got it, great. If you don't, that's fine. I mean, think about all the murder convictions we've had where you don't even have a dead body. There's not even dead body found. And people across America are convicted of murder because you have circumstantial evidence, right? So all you have to do is hide a body well enough, and you can never be convicted of murder. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. All you have to do is make sure no one's going to track where you got the drugs. Then you're never going to be convicted of murder. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. [02:16:09] Speaker 10: Okay. Before you... Actually, I'm sorry. Before you got... [02:16:13] Speaker ?: So... Let me get this right. [02:16:15] Speaker 10: The part that you were going to have on the 25th birthday where she was going to have a baby shower and all that stuff? We weren't having a baby shower on her birthday. [02:16:31] Speaker 6: We were having a birthday dinner. [02:16:32] Speaker 10: Oh. Was the baby shower around then? [02:16:34] Speaker 6: The baby shower was going to be in April. [02:16:36] Speaker 10: Okay. I'm sorry. We were having like a joint birthday. We were having a baby shower. [02:16:40] Speaker 1: No. What are you going to get out of this? I don't know why defense needs to cross-examine this mom. [02:16:45] Speaker 10: Do you know if Blaze was invited to that? No, it was here in Little Rock. Okay. So, so far as you know, he maybe didn't even know about that, right? I'm not sure if you know or not. [02:16:55] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:16:56] Speaker 10: So, you don't have any information that Mr. Taylor was even aware that Jade was going to go public about her pregnancy on her 25th birthday? I'm not sure. Okay. [02:17:06] Speaker ?: Thank you. Okay. [02:17:08] Speaker 10: I know when you got here, there was a lot going on and when did you get Jade's phone? It's a little bit to the hospital. So, like 3:30 in the morning? Yes. You got that from IJ? No. I got that from her stepmother. Her stepmother. Okay. Thank you. I apologize. I didn't realize. And when you opened her phone and looked in it, when was that? [02:17:43] Speaker 6: I don't know. [02:17:44] Speaker 1: Exactly. [02:17:45] Speaker 10: So, you can see the Blink application and there's a lot of people like you can scroll backwards, right? [02:17:52] Speaker 6: Correct. [02:17:53] Speaker 10: Okay. And so, you can't see in that Blink application when the camera was moved? No, you cannot. It's a live feed. And so, you don't have any information about when that camera was moved? No, I do not. When was the last time you saw it in Jade's kitchen? Possibly in those photos. [02:18:08] Speaker ?: She didn't tell me a lot from her kitchen. Okay. That's fair. Okay. [02:18:12] Speaker 6: Thank you for it. Maybe redirect. I don't know. I don't know what they got out of that. Okay. [02:18:19] Speaker ?: I don't know. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know. I don't know. [02:18:24] Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know. [02:18:28] Speaker ?: I don't know. [02:18:29] Speaker 5: I don't know. [02:18:30] Speaker 1: I don't know what they got out of that. [02:18:32] Speaker ?: I don't know. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:18:41] Speaker 8: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:09] Speaker ?: I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:10] Speaker 8: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:14] Speaker ?: I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:14] Speaker 8: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:23] Speaker ?: I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:24] Speaker 6: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:27] Speaker 8: I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:28] Speaker 6: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:31] Speaker ?: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:33] Speaker 6: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:35] Speaker ?: I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:36] Speaker 6: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:38] Speaker ?: I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:39] Speaker 6: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:41] Speaker 10: I don't know what they got out of that. I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:43] Speaker ?: I don't know what they got out of that. [02:19:44] Speaker 10: He was involved in another relationship. [02:19:58] Speaker 1: So that's the key takeaway here that I also want to highlight. I'm not going to show that testimony, that evidence, but. Let's see. Other court evidence accounted for the fact that the very day that Taylor allegedly poisoned his pregnant girlfriend, Jade, he was actively texting, texting Xavier, the one we heard about through Apple, professing his love for her and telling her to, quote unquote, trust him. So he he had this double life he was running and maybe she knew about something having to do with this plan. We don't know, but isn't it interesting? The exact plan he was using as a backup plan for Xavier is what he winds up doing with Jade, except that he gave her too much of cocaine. And so it wound up killing both her and the baby. So that's what the evidence looks like. I think the evidence is going to be strong enough to get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. As far as the defense and what they do since the prosecution has rested tomorrow, the defense can present their case if they have one. I don't know what they could really present that's going to try to help them in any way other than maybe they'll present some character evidence, talk about what a great guy he is, that he's peaceful, has a nonviolent personality and stuff like that. It can be a slippery slope because there's some things that the prosecution may know that we don't know here through information on the Internet that could impeach that kind of evidence. So do I think he's going to testify? I hope he testifies. That's going to help help seal the outcome. But I don't think the defense is going to have him testify because if he says anything wrong, one thing wrong, the jury's just going to say, yep, yep. Sure enough, he's a part of this plan. The prosecution's laying out. So I do not see him testifying. I think it's extremely risky. Does he maybe think he can testify and make it sound all great and like he's this falsely accused guy and had nothing to do with this? I just don't see that happening. He may think he's a smooth talker when he gets in trouble, but he did not look smooth talking on the 911 call. We don't see any smooth, credible talking from when he was at the hospital and being interviewed by the police officers. So he's and he's very fidgety and nervous. So I just don't see him taking the stand. If I had a client like this here in Texas on this kind of fact pattern, I would advise my client not testify. And so. So I don't think there's going to be a lot from the defense at all. Yeah, I mean, if you think Jade is the kind of person that would take cocaine and such a massive dose amount that doesn't align with what she had planned for her life. Her plan was to have a baby. His plan was to figure out a way to not have a baby. Okay, so that's what it comes down to. So. Yes, this case, I think will be over with before the 4th of July. There's no way I see them presenting days of testimony. I don't think it's going to last that long. They may not call anybody. They don't have to present anything. Lashes and all the offenses hoped for is one jury doesn't know what circumstantial evidence is and refuses to convict without a front row seat. Watch them do it. Yeah, that that could be the case. But it's a prosecution. Prosecution did a good job of jury selection. Then that should not be a problem. And if it the worst it can be as a hung jury, there's no way this guy will get acquitted in my book based on this kind of evidence. I think it's pretty clear cut case. So, I plan to cover it tomorrow night then. We'll see what happens. Maybe we'll have them right away go into working out jury instructions and have jury instructions and closing arguments tomorrow. Maybe we'll have, is it possible we could have a verdict tomorrow? I don't think so. I think they'll have some evidence. So, anyway, it will be wrapped up within a couple days for sure. So, based on that. Going to go ahead and sign off for tonight. I understand we have nine women and seven men on the jury. Kathy Vetter bringing in her drug dealer. They could try doing that, but you're also, you know, the thing is she's dead. Jade is dead. So, if you try smearing her too much, that can backfire, you know? So, the thing is, was she doing drugs during the time she found out she was pregnant? That's only a few month window. I just don't think they're going to find it. Can they find even anybody say that she ever had a history of using cocaine? I doubt they can find anybody doing that. [02:25:54] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:25:55] Speaker 1: Ruth Ann says that defense said they have 10 witness bullets. See if they're going to call them all. Yeah. I mean, defense make a big, big showing of, yeah, we got all these witnesses. And they might, I'm not calling any or only a few. So, I don't, if they do have 10 witnesses, there'll be 10 quick witnesses. So, I don't see any testimony last and beyond Tuesday, if they do. But, there's stuff they can open the door on that can always backfire on them. So, that's the problem if you call a defense witness. The prosecution could flip some of those witnesses. Well, thank you for supporting Justice for Jade and her family. And I appreciate y'all. And thanks for supporting this cause. And I'll be back tomorrow night. That's the plan. So, y'all take care. Be safe.