Au Pair Admits Role in Murders of Wife, Man: Day 1 of Love Triangle Trial

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Good afternoon. [00:00:12] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Good afternoon. [00:00:13] Speaker 1: Could you please state and spell your name for the court record? [00:00:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes, Juliana, J-U-L-I-A-N-A, Perez, B-E-R-E-S, Magalhães, M-A-G-A-L-H-A-E-S. [00:00:27] Speaker 1: And how old are you now, Juliana? [00:00:29] Juliana Perez Magalhães: 25. [00:00:30] Speaker 1: And do you know the defendant? [00:00:32] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:00:33] Speaker 1: What's his name? [00:00:34] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Byron Mayfield. [00:00:36] Speaker 1: When did you meet him? [00:00:38] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Back in October, 2021, oh, 22. [00:00:43] Speaker 1: When did you meet him? Hmm? When did you meet him? [00:00:50] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Well, can you specify? Sorry. When did you first meet him? Oh, in person when I first came to the States, and before that, through a video call with the family. [00:01:07] Speaker 1: Okay. Do you recall what month or year that was? [00:01:10] Juliana Perez Magalhães: When I came to the States? Yes. It was October. [00:01:13] Speaker 1: Do you know what year? 2021. [00:01:16] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Okay. [00:01:17] Speaker 1: And when you first met Mr. Banfield, what was your relationship to him? [00:01:25] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Professional. He was my boss. You said he was your boss. [00:01:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. What was your job? [00:01:30] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I was their au pair. [00:01:32] Speaker 1: And so you said you worked as an au pair. What does that mean? [00:01:36] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Au pair is like a nanny position, but somebody comes from another country providing care for their kids. And in exchange, they lived with their family and yeah. Okay. [00:01:49] Speaker 1: Do you get paid to be an au pair? [00:01:51] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:01:52] Speaker 1: How much? [00:01:53] Juliana Perez Magalhães: $200 a week. [00:01:55] Speaker 1: And how long of a stay did you have as an au pair? [00:02:00] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I can have from a year to two years, but as an au pair, I stayed for a year. [00:02:07] Speaker 1: Okay. And did you, so you said you arrived in October of 2021, and you said you stayed for a year? [00:02:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [00:02:18] Speaker 1: And then did you extend that stay? [00:02:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:02:22] Speaker 1: And how long did you extend the stay for? [00:02:26] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I think I might have extended for another year. [00:02:29] Speaker 1: Let's talk about when you lived with the Banfield family and worked for them as their au pair. Where did you live? [00:02:37] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I lived with, in their house, in their home. Okay. [00:02:41] Speaker 1: And who lived there with you? [00:02:43] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was Brendan, his wife Christine, and their daughter. [00:02:49] Speaker 1: And we know who Brendan is. Yeah. Who is Christine? [00:02:54] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Christine was Brendan's wife. [00:02:56] Speaker 1: And you said their daughter? Yeah. What was their daughter's name? [00:03:00] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Valerie. [00:03:01] Speaker 1: What was your life like with them? [00:03:03] Juliana Perez Magalhães: With the family? Yeah. [00:03:05] Speaker 1: When you first got there. What was it like? [00:03:07] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was kind of a period for me to adapt to the family, to my job, to the country. But it was very, I was very welcome, I guess. [00:03:21] Speaker 1: And what was Brendan like when you first came to live with the family and be their pair? [00:03:28] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. We barely spoke. We barely spoke. Like, my relationship was mostly with Christine and Valerie. Brendan and I barely spoke at all. I'm just... Okay. Okay. What was Christine like? Christine was very friendly, very welcoming, very fair. Yeah. [00:03:54] Speaker 1: Did you spend time with her and spend time with Valerie together? [00:03:57] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:03:58] Speaker 1: And did you spend time on your own with Christine? [00:04:03] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Maybe a couple of times going to a store or... Yeah. [00:04:09] Speaker 1: Do you recall if Christine had a blood disorder? [00:04:13] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I heard about it, yes. [00:04:15] Speaker 1: And do you know the name of it? [00:04:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I do not know. [00:04:18] Speaker 1: Do you know if she took any medication for it? [00:04:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: As far as I know, no. [00:04:26] Speaker 1: What was Valerie like? [00:04:28] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Valerie is very loving, very caring. It's just... [00:04:37] Speaker 1: How old was Valerie when you met her in 2021? [00:04:41] Juliana Perez Magalhães: She was three and a half, I guess. I'm sorry, say that again? Three and a half. [00:04:47] Speaker 1: And were there any other children that were living in the Banfields' home while you lived there too? [00:04:53] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No. [00:04:54] Speaker 1: Do you know if they had an au pair before you were their au pair? [00:04:59] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [00:05:00] Speaker 1: Who was that? [00:05:01] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was Amanda. [00:05:04] Speaker 1: And when you began working for the Banfields... Do you need a minute? When you began working for the Banfields? Do you remember what their jobs were? Yeah. Or do you know what their jobs were? Yeah. [00:05:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Christina was a... RN. And... Brenda was... working, I guess, as an investigator for the IRS. [00:05:30] Speaker 1: At some point, while you were working for the Banfield family, did your relationship with the defendant change? Yes. [00:05:41] Juliana Perez Magalhães: How did it change? [00:05:42] Speaker 1: Yes. How did it change? [00:05:44] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It became a sexual, physical relationship. [00:05:49] Speaker 1: And do you recall when the relationship changed? [00:05:52] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was August 2022. [00:05:55] Speaker 1: And did you keep the relationship, this new relationship with the defendant, did you keep this a secret? [00:06:07] Juliana Perez Magalhães: For my part, some of my friends, they knew because I told them and I used to post on my Instagram. But for his part, yeah, it was a secret. Okay. [00:06:21] Speaker 1: And you said you told some friends about it. Yeah. Do you remember which friends you told? [00:06:25] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I told Beatrice about it and Pamela. Pamela. [00:06:31] Speaker 1: And did you take any photos of you and the defendant after you began a romantic or physical relationship? Yes. And you said you had posted some things to social media? Yes. Okay. I am going to show you a couple of photos. And if I could have this view be to the witness and counsel only, please. Yes, ma'am. I am going to show you commonwealths 51, 52, 53, and 54. This is 51, 52, 53, and 54. Do you recognize these photos? Yes, I do. And how do you recognize them? [00:07:26] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's me and Brendan. [00:07:29] Speaker 1: And are these social media posts that you made? [00:07:34] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:07:35] Speaker 1: Judge, at this time what I would ask the court to do is admit these as commonwealths 51, 52, 53, and 54. All right. Any objection? Okay. [00:07:46] Speaker 3: 51, 52, 53, and 54 in evidence. [00:07:51] Speaker 1: And we can publish the first one for the jury. Can you tell us who's under the emoji here? [00:08:03] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's Brendan. [00:08:04] Speaker 1: And then a couple of these have noise. And then this one, commonwealths 53, can you describe who this is? [00:08:35] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's Brendan's hand. And whose leg is that? [00:08:37] Speaker 1: And whose leg is that? [00:08:38] Juliana Perez Magalhães: My leg. [00:08:39] Speaker 1: And the date on the photo that is posted, is that the date that the photo was taken? [00:08:46] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:08:49] Speaker 1: And this photo here, commonwealths 54, who's under the emoji? [00:08:56] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's Brendan. [00:08:57] Speaker 1: Do you know when this photo was taken? [00:08:59] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's from the same day as the previous picture. As the previous one? [00:09:03] Speaker ?: Mm-hmm. [00:09:03] Speaker 1: All right. I want to go back to 52. I don't really know you. [00:09:18] Speaker ?: I don't really know you. I don't really know you. [00:09:20] Speaker 4: I don't really know you. I don't really know you. [00:09:22] Speaker ?: I don't really know you. [00:09:23] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I don't really know you. [00:09:24] Speaker ?: I don't really know you. I don't really know you. I don't really know you. I don't really know you. [00:09:28] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I don't see. I don't really know you. I don't really know you. I don't really know you. I don't really know you. I don't really know you. I don't really know you. [00:09:35] Speaker 1: I don't really know you. [00:09:36] Speaker ?: I don't really know you. I don't really know you. [00:09:38] Speaker 1: I don't see. In that in that post. Who is present in that post? [00:09:44] Juliana Perez Magalhães: His person behind the emoji. [00:09:47] Speaker 1: And who is behind the emoji? Oh, Brendan. And is it you and Brendan singing in that post? Yes. So you began a sexual relationship with a defendant in August of 2022. When you were how old? [00:10:03] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I was 21. [00:10:06] Speaker 1: And when this relationship began, did you ever think about how it might end? [00:10:14] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No. I didn't really think it was serious, a relationship. [00:10:22] Speaker 1: And did the defendant ever talk with you about any long-term plans for the two of you? [00:10:30] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Not initially. [00:10:32] Speaker 1: Not initially. Did he ever though? [00:10:34] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:10:35] Speaker 1: When did that talk start? [00:10:38] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I think it started after he talked about his plan. [00:10:47] Speaker 1: Okay. And did he ever talk about the two of you getting married or the two of you having children? [00:10:55] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:10:56] Speaker 1: And do you recall when that talk began? [00:11:00] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Also, after he mentioned his plan. [00:11:01] Speaker 1: Did he ever talk about his relationship with his wife, Christine Banfield? [00:11:12] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Sometimes it would come up in our conversation and he would talk about it. [00:11:16] Speaker 1: And what did he say? [00:11:18] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He used to say that she didn't seem to care about what he was doing. She didn't seem to care about him at all. That she was helpless and lazy. [00:11:41] Speaker 1: Do you recall when he said those things? [00:11:43] Juliana Perez Magalhães: When? Yes. Well, many times during our conversation when she came up. [00:11:50] Speaker 1: And did he ever talk to you about anything else about his relationship? Did he ever talk about getting a divorce with her? No. [00:12:06] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He basically said divorce was not an option. Did he say why? Money was involved. I'm sorry. [00:12:16] Speaker 1: Say that again. [00:12:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Money. [00:12:18] Speaker 1: Okay. Anything else? [00:12:20] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Money was involved in Valerie's custody too. [00:12:23] Speaker 1: And what about those things? Did he say anything specifically about money or Valerie's custody? Yeah. [00:12:30] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. He said that he didn't want to have to share Valerie with Christine. That she wasn't good for Valerie. So he wanted to have Valerie full time. And money, because she would have more money than he would if Deborah split. [00:12:52] Speaker 1: And so he didn't want to get divorced. Did he tell you what he wanted to do? Yes. [00:12:59] Juliana Perez Magalhães: What did he say? He mentioned his plan to get rid of her. [00:13:05] Speaker 1: And you said he mentioned his plan to get rid of her. [00:13:11] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [00:13:12] Speaker 1: When did he talk about that first? [00:13:14] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I would say it was in October 2022. [00:13:19] Speaker 1: And what specifically was his plan to get rid of her? [00:13:26] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Initially, he didn't really know what he would do. He just mentioned that he was thinking about it. And he would think better and let me know when he thought about it. Yeah. [00:13:43] Speaker 1: Where were the two of you when this first conversation took place? New York. And were you on a trip to New York with only him? [00:13:59] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was him and Valerie. [00:14:04] Speaker 1: Yeah. What did you think when he told you that? [00:14:07] Juliana Perez Magalhães: At first, I thought he was joking. Yeah. For me, it was a joke. [00:14:14] Speaker 1: And you said that you were in New York when that conversation happened. Yeah. Did the three of you return to Virginia after that trip? [00:14:28] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes, we did. [00:14:29] Speaker 1: And did he talk about this plan again after you returned? [00:14:33] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [00:14:34] Speaker 1: And did he give you more information or more detail about what he intended to have happen? Yeah. [00:14:42] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He said he wasn't going to hire anybody because that is something that throughout investigation can be discovered easily. And that he had heard of a website called Fat Life. He's never done anything on the website, but he heard about it. And that's what he was going to do. [00:15:12] Speaker 1: And did he tell you anything more about the plan at this point? [00:15:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: At that point, not really. He was still thinking about it. [00:15:24] Speaker 1: And at the end of October of 2022, did you visit a shooting range? [00:15:33] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:15:34] Speaker 1: And did anyone come with you? [00:15:38] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brendan. [00:15:43] Speaker 1: The first time that you went to the shooting range, do you recall signing any paperwork? [00:15:47] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:15:48] Speaker 1: Judge, at this point, I'm going to display a photograph. I would ask for the display to be to the witness and counsel only. Yes, ma'am. I want you to look at the screen in front of you. Do you have, can you, is there a document on your screen? Yes. Okay. And I'm going to scroll through this document for you slowly. Just for the record, could you exhibit number of the document? [00:16:16] Speaker 3: Oh, it is exhibit number 56. Thank you. [00:16:19] Speaker 1: Do you recognize this exhibit? Yes. [00:16:33] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:16:34] Speaker 1: And how do you recognize it? [00:16:36] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's the waiver you have to sign when you first go to the shooting range. And did you sign this? Yeah. [00:16:43] Speaker 1: Is that your signature there on page six? [00:16:45] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:16:46] Speaker 1: Judge, at this point, I'm going to ask to admit this as Commonwealth 56 and allow for it to be published to the jury. Any objection? No. All right. 56 and evidence and published. And I'm going to just bring it back up to the top so the jury can see it. Do you recall the date on the form? [00:17:03] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:17:04] Juliana Perez Magalhães: October 29, 2022. [00:17:07] Speaker 1: And on that date, do you recall shooting a firearm? Yes. Do you remember if it was a handgun or a long gun? [00:17:16] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was a handgun. [00:17:17] Speaker 1: And was the defendant with you while you were firing the handgun on that day? [00:17:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:17:22] Speaker 1: Did you ever go back to the firing range again? [00:17:25] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Eventually, we did. [00:17:27] Speaker 1: Do you remember when you went back to the firing range? [00:17:30] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:17:31] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I would say back in December. [00:17:33] Speaker 1: And did you practice firing a firearm on that December visit? [00:17:40] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:17:41] Speaker 1: And again, what kind of firearm? Do you recall if it was a handgun or a long gun? It was a handgun. And was anyone with you when you returned to the firing range in December? Thanks, Brendan. Judge, at this point, I'm going to ask for the view of Commonwealth 56 to be terminated to the gallery. And I am going to move to Commonwealth 57 for the view of the witness and counsel only at this point. Do you see a photograph on your screen? I do. [00:18:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Okay. [00:18:22] Speaker 1: And do you recognize this photograph? [00:18:25] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:18:26] Speaker 1: How do you recognize it? [00:18:27] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's me at the shooting range. [00:18:30] Speaker 1: And do you know who took this picture? [00:18:32] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brendan. [00:18:33] Speaker 1: Judge, at this point, I am going to ask to have this admitted as Commonwealth 57. All right. Any objection to 57? All right. [00:18:42] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. And published. [00:18:45] Speaker 1: Did the defendant tell you why he wanted to return to the firing range for that second visit? [00:18:52] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:18:53] Juliana Perez Magalhães: And why would that? [00:18:54] Speaker 1: That's in case. [00:18:55] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I need to use it if something goes wrong. And what would go wrong? [00:19:05] Speaker 1: What was he, what was he concerned about going wrong? Had he told you more of his plan at this point? [00:19:12] Juliana Perez Magalhães: At that point specifically, I can't really recall. [00:19:19] Speaker 1: But he told you that he wanted you at the firing range because you needed, in case something went wrong. Yes. Is that right? [00:19:29] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:19:30] Speaker 1: After the December visit to the shooting range, what, if any, additional steps did the defendant take to move his plan forward? [00:19:39] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was in January when he created the account on the website. [00:19:45] Speaker 1: Okay. So, were you present when he created the FetLife account? [00:19:52] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:19:53] Speaker 1: And did he use his own email address to create the account? [00:19:58] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No, he did not. [00:19:59] Speaker 1: What email address did he use? [00:20:02] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He created a new email account for Christine and Christine's name. [00:20:07] Speaker 1: And were you there when he created that email address? [00:20:10] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:20:11] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [00:20:12] Speaker 1: And do you recall what device he used to create the email address? [00:20:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: To her laptop. [00:20:19] Speaker 1: And when you say her laptop, whose laptop are you talking about? [00:20:22] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Christine's laptop. [00:20:23] Speaker 1: And do you recall what device he used to create the FetLife account? [00:20:28] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Oh, it's the laptop. [00:20:30] Speaker 1: Yes. And when you say the laptop, are you talking about Christine's laptop? [00:20:33] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:20:34] Speaker 1: Okay. And do you recall the name of the profile that the defendant created for the FetLife account? [00:20:41] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Anastasia Knight. [00:20:43] Speaker 1: And was there a photograph added to that profile? [00:20:46] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:20:47] Speaker 1: Who is the photograph of? [00:20:49] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's Christine's body in a bathing suit. [00:20:56] Speaker 1: And who added the photograph to the profile? [00:20:59] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brandon did. [00:21:00] Speaker 1: And who typed the words for the profile? [00:21:05] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I hear that. [00:21:06] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, say that again? [00:21:07] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brandon did. [00:21:08] Speaker 1: Okay. If I could have the view terminated to the gallery at this point. And I am going to ask for exhibit 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, and 65, all photographs, all photographs to be displayed to the witness and counsel only at this point. I'm going to show you a series of screenshots, and then I'm going to ask you about them. So this is 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, and 65. Do you recognize these photos, these screenshots? Yes. How do you recognize them? [00:22:22] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's the FetLife account. [00:22:25] Speaker 1: And Judge, at this point, I'm going to ask to admit commonwealths 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, and 65 to be admitted under seal and published to the jury only. All right. No objection. [00:22:42] Speaker ?: All right. [00:22:43] Speaker 3: No objection. All right. 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, admitted under seal. Okay. I'm going to run back through them. [00:22:53] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:22:54] Speaker 1: So, commonwealths 58, is this the FetLife profile that was posted? Yes. And the about section here that we can see. Who wrote the words in that? Who composed that? [00:23:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brandon. [00:23:22] Speaker ?: Brandon. [00:23:22] Speaker 1: And then in 59, commonwealths 59, is this also a part of the FetLife profile? Yes. [00:23:39] Speaker ?: And then commonwealths 60. [00:23:39] Speaker 1: Is this the photograph that was used as the profile photo for the FetLife? Yes. Profile. And then commonwealths 61 here. Is this the group, for lack of a better word, that this profile was posted in? Oh, sorry. [00:23:52] Speaker ?: Can you open that again, please? [00:23:52] Speaker 1: Sure. This photograph here, commonwealths 61. [00:23:54] Speaker ?: Is this the group within FetLife that you use to communicate with other users? [00:23:54] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. And then commonwealths 61. [00:23:57] Speaker ?: And then commonwealths 61. [00:23:57] Speaker 1: And then commonwealths 61, is this the group within FetLife that you use to communicate with [00:24:06] Juliana Perez Magalhães: other users? Yes. [00:24:08] Speaker 1: And then commonwealths 62. [00:24:09] Speaker ?: And then commonwealths 62. [00:24:09] Speaker 1: Is this the post that you used, you and Brendan used, on FetLife? Yes. And then commonwealths 62, is this the post that you used, you and Brendan used on FetLife? [00:24:36] Speaker 3: Is there an objection? What's your objection, Mr? Leading. [00:24:44] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Understood. All right. I'll sustain the objection. Take a look at commonwealth 62. Can you describe for us what it is? [00:24:55] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's a post made on the profile. [00:25:01] Speaker 1: And what website was this posted on? A FetLife. And what was the reason for posting it? [00:25:08] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was what the account was first created, I guess, and to tell people what she was looking for. [00:25:22] Speaker 1: And whose idea was it to post this? Hmm? Whose idea was it to post this? Brendan. [00:25:27] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:25:27] Speaker 1: We can terminate this view at this point. How did you and Brendan, how did you use the laptop? How did the two of you use her laptop without her knowing about it? [00:25:53] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was because every time she had to get home from work, she used to throw her backpack by the door and in the backpack was her laptop and her work stuff. [00:26:14] Speaker 1: And once the FetLife account was created, what if anything did the two of you do with it? [00:26:31] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Texting other people, other guys, they would also text looking for whatever it is that they're interested in. [00:26:50] Speaker 1: Okay. And did Brendan explain to you at this point in time, or was there any explanation given to you about what it was that he was using FetLife for or what it was he was looking for from another FetLife user? [00:27:05] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. What was that? The website is for BDSM, people that like that kind of stuff. And he said it would be -- we would be able to find somebody that plays like aggressive or like playing with blood and that kind of stuff. [00:27:37] Speaker 1: And why? What was the -- what if any reason did he want to find someone like that for? [00:27:44] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Oh, because the person would be -- eventually the person would be invited to come to the house and he needed to know that the person was willing or he was going to do what he had in his mind. [00:28:06] Speaker 1: And what was he -- what was he using FetLife to ask other users to do to the Anastasia profile? [00:28:15] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Things like pinning her down, gagging her, spanking. Yeah. [00:28:38] Speaker 1: And when the two of you used FetLife to message other people, were you -- who would do the typing? Were you typing? Was Brendan typing? To talk to other people? [00:28:55] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. You asked? Sometimes it would be him. Sometimes it would be me by his instruction when he was with me. [00:29:04] Speaker 1: And were the two of you typically together while you were using FetLife to message other people? Yes. And was Christine home or not home when the two of you used FetLife? [00:29:18] Juliana Perez Magalhães: She was home. [00:29:20] Speaker 1: Always? [00:29:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:29:22] Speaker 1: Why? [00:29:23] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because he always mentioned for us to make sure to log in on the account when she was also home. So, it would have -- you know, throughout the investigation, it would have -- it would have been very clear that, like, whenever she -- she was using the -- the profile, she was home. And, yeah. [00:29:52] Speaker 1: And you said, because there -- because during the investigation, why would there be an investigation? [00:30:00] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Well, he always thought, like, in advance, he knew how the investigation would go. Like, he -- he always knew. And, yeah. [00:30:19] Speaker 1: But, why did he know? [00:30:30] Juliana Perez Magalhães: What did he know? [00:30:31] Speaker 1: Why? You said, because -- because he always knew about the investigation. What did he know about an investigation? There hasn't been one yet. [00:30:40] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He knew eventually he would have one investigation. Why? Because there would be murder, and it's just a -- what happens, investigation. [00:30:59] Speaker 1: Did he tell you that? [00:31:00] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [00:31:01] Speaker 1: What specifically did he tell you about that? [00:31:08] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Well, he knew that he needed to -- we needed to have some alibis. He knew that he needed to change his routine a few weeks prior, so he wouldn't be odd that he wasn't, you know, just at McDonald's on that day, specifically. Okay. [00:31:35] Speaker 1: I am going to show you a couple of items, one at a time. The parties have stipulated to the admissibility of the next two items, or the next several items. The first two are going to be Commonwealth 66 and 67. And then, Judge Commonwealth 66, I'm going to ask to have published to the jury and counsel only, and I'm going to ask that these be under seal. [00:32:15] Speaker 3: 66 and 67? Yes. And there's an agreement to admissibility, is that correct, Mr. Kerr? Okay. So 66 and 67 are in evidence under seal. [00:32:24] Speaker ?: So 66 and 67 are in evidence under seal. So 66 and 67 are in evidence under seal. So 66 and 67 are in evidence under seal. So 66 and 67 are in evidence under seal. So 66 and 67 are in evidence under seal. So 66 and 67 are in evidence under seal. 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And again, Your Honor, the parties have stipulated to the FetLife chats. So I believe that all of these exhibits can be admitted, but I'd ask that they be admitted under seal. 68, 69, 70? 68, 69, 70, 71, and 72. Okay. [00:44:39] Speaker 3: Is that correct, Mr. Carroll? Do you need to see them all? She said you've already agreed to, not the missability, but just to the foundation. [00:44:51] Speaker 1: These are the same exhibits that were provided to council last weekend. Last weekend. There. [00:44:56] Speaker 3: But if you could go through them. Do you want them to go through these and make sure? [00:45:01] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:45:02] Speaker 3: Do you need to see them? Is that what you're saying? Okay. I'm sorry. I just have your microphone on. I have a lot of trouble hearing you up here. Okay. So you need to see. I do. My client and I need to see them. Okay. I need to see those exhibits, Ms. Bursler. Okay. [00:45:17] Speaker 1: So I'm looking at 68 is a, is a short one. Okay. So I'm looking at 68 is a, is a short one. [00:45:22] Speaker ?: And it's on the screen right now. Yes. Okay. No objection. All right. So 68 in evidence under seal. Is this 69 we're looking at 69? No objection. All right. No objection. All right. [00:45:32] Speaker 4: No objection. 69 under seal. Okay. [00:45:35] Speaker ?: No objection. [00:45:35] Speaker 4: Okay. No objection. [00:45:37] Speaker 3: All right. No objection. [00:45:39] Speaker ?: 69 under seal. Okay. All right. No objection. All right. No objection. [00:45:46] Speaker 3: 69 under seal. [00:45:51] Speaker 4: All right. [00:45:52] Speaker ?: No objection. [00:45:52] Speaker 3: All right. [00:45:53] Speaker ?: No objection. [00:45:53] Speaker 3: All right. No objection. [00:45:55] Speaker ?: All right. No objection. All right. No objection. All right. No objection. That's 67. Is that correct? I'm sorry. 70. 70. Okay. 70. 70. Okay. 70. Under seal. All right. All right. [00:46:14] Speaker 4: All right. [00:46:15] Speaker 3: No objection. All right. No objection. All right. No objection. 71 under seal. [00:46:22] Speaker ?: 71. [00:46:23] Speaker 1: If we could look at 71. No objection. [00:46:26] Speaker ?: All right. 71 under seal. And then 72. All right. 71 under seal. And then 72. All right. 71 under seal. And then 72. No objection. No objection. All right. So 72 under seal. No objection. All right. So 72 under seal. Okay. So 72 also under seal. [00:46:45] Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you. Okay. If we could go back to 68. [00:46:49] Speaker ?: Okay. Okay. All right. 72 under seal. Okay. All right. So 72 also under seal. Okay. Thank you. Okay. If we could go back to 68. Do you, can you see, can you see on your screen commonwealth 68? Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. [00:47:07] Speaker 3: So 72 also under seal. Okay. Thank you. Okay. If we could go back to 68. [00:47:13] Speaker 1: Do you, can you see, can you see on your screen commonwealth 68? [00:47:28] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. Okay. [00:47:30] Speaker 1: Okay. And you see the, again, in the, in the menu, in the title bar there, you see ID, conversation ID, user ID, body. So the conversation ID that we're looking at, just to, or I just want to check and make sure we're both looking at the same thing. Four, four, six, seven, seven, four, five, two, three. Yes. Okay. So we see these messages between this user ID and then, and then the Anastasia profile. This user ID says, wish I could come get, I wish I could get you to come meet me at my hotel in Richmond next Wednesday night. And then the Anastasia profile says, thank you, Richmond is too far for me. I'm looking to chat a bit before meeting someone. So why would it be that you guys wouldn't have pursued this user? [00:48:25] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because all along, um, it's plan was for the person to come in, in the house. [00:48:36] Speaker 1: And when, um, we're looking again at the Anastasia profile, is it you and or Brendan who is operating the Anastasia profile? Yes. [00:48:46] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Okay. [00:48:47] Speaker 1: Then if we could move on to Commonwealth 69. So just making sure that we're looking at the same thing on the screen. I'm looking at conversation four, four, seven, eight, six, eight, six, nine, zero. Yes. All right. Okay. So this person is looking for, um, someone to meet up with at restaurants and coffee shops and just talking and getting to know one another. They'd like to go to an event eventually. And they say they're pretty new to Fetworld, but, but willing to learn. And then the Anastasia profile says, I'm not looking to go out on dates. Sorry. Um, why is it that you, the two of you wouldn't have pursued this? Um, to, uh, uh, to further converse with? Sorry. Can you, I'm sorry. It's okay. So this person is asking to meet out in public. Mm-hmm. Is that something that Brendan was interested in having the Anastasia profile do? No. [00:49:46] Speaker ?: Why not? [00:49:47] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because again, you need somebody to, that would, I want to come to the house. Okay. [00:49:51] Speaker 1: Okay. So this person is asking to meet out in public. Mm-hmm. Is that something that Brendan was interested in having the Anastasia profile do? No. [00:49:58] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Why not? Because again, you need somebody to, that would, I want to come to the house. [00:50:07] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:50:08] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. So the things that he needed the person to do. [00:50:14] Speaker 1: And, um, and, and meeting out in public is, is not something that. [00:50:20] Speaker 3: No. [00:50:21] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:50:22] Speaker 1: Let's look at the, um, exhibit Commonwealth 70. I want to stay at the top first. Okay. So again, just making sure we're looking at the same, uh, the same document. I'm looking at conversation ID four or five, two, seven, two, one, five, two, three. [00:50:55] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:50:56] Speaker 1: Yes. Okay. So the first, so this user ID messages the Anastasia profile and says, saw your ad. I'm interested a little bit about what I like and have done in the past. First off restraints. And I've used rope and some leather cuffs and some vinyl tape. So the profile goes on to describe pretty specifically, um, what experience, um, and what, uh, equipment, um, that this person has and, and can bring, um, to this relationship. Uh, is this someone that, um, friend that, that is this something that the two of you might have been interested in. [00:51:48] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Can I just read it over? Say that again. Can I just read it over? [00:51:52] Speaker 1: Of course. [00:51:53] Speaker ?: Take your time. [00:52:06] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:52:31] Speaker 1: And, um, if you could scroll down a little bit. [00:52:35] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:52:36] Speaker 1: So this conversation looks like it went on for a little bit longer than the past two conversations. Is that fair? [00:52:44] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:52:45] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Okay. [00:52:46] Speaker 1: And then if you're, if you look at cell number 931, their profile says, the, the other user says, I would expect that you might want to meet somewhere in public before doing anything in private. Your call on how or when to do that most weekdays I could get away at some point during the day to get a bite to eat or coffee or a drink after work. And then it goes on from there. Did you guys answer that? Take a look at the spreadsheet and, and let me know if you see an answer to this, um, request to get together. No. And why wouldn't you have responded? [00:53:30] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because that's not something he was interested in going for a coffee or meeting in public. Okay. Okay. [00:53:44] Speaker 1: Okay. And then if we could go on to commonwealth 72. And then if we can move down to cell number 571. Okay. [00:54:03] Speaker 3: So in this conversation and let's make sure I'm looking at the same conversation again. [00:54:21] Speaker 1: Um, I'm looking at conversation four, four, eight, five, nine, nine, six, two, four. Yes. [00:54:37] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [00:54:38] Speaker 1: Yes. Okay. So in this conversation, um, there's some initial talk. And then in cell number 571, the Anastasia profile says, I don't have restraints. It's something you would need to bring and be comfortable doing. Sounds really intense. And then there's more, but I'm not going to read that aloud. Um, why did the, why did the other user need to bring restraint? [00:55:03] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Well, because she, well, we didn't have it. Okay. And whoever the person was going to be was supposed to bring all the stuff, like the restraints and lockups, whatever the person's going to supposed to have to bring. [00:55:24] Speaker 1: And whose idea was that? [00:55:26] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brandon's. [00:55:27] Speaker 1: And what else was the person eventually supposed to bring? [00:55:32] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Eventually, you get on the person to bring a knife. [00:55:37] Speaker 1: Okay. And, um, when we look at, at, um, cell number 572, this user responds, um, to the Anastasia profile. And this user says, so I'm a vet that we'd need to work up to restraints. I don't recommend them until the second or third time once trust is there. And then in 573, this user says, if you're for real, let's grab a drink or coffee in public to see if there's attraction, no expectations. I work out in Fairfax County on Tuesdays if you're around. And then Anastasia responds in 574, and, um, is it you and, oops, is it you and Brendan still operating the Anastasia profile at this point in time? Yes. So you tell her, I'm not interested in going on a regular date. That takes away from the excitement and the thrill of the first meeting. Why is that? So this is the third time that we've seen FetLife users saying, let's, let's meet someplace. Let's meet in public. Um, and this person says, um, essentially I've been doing this a while and usually we don't get to that part until the second or third time we meet. So why, why is it important? Um, or why is it significant? Um, that, or why, why is it again, that, um, that the Anastasia profile keeps refusing to meet in public? [00:57:23] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because of the plan that had in mind that would, the two happen in the house, the person would need to come over, bring their stuff. And because it was not real, it was not Christine talking. So there was no way going out on the date to first meet the person. [00:57:46] Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to Commonwealth 71. 71, right? [00:57:54] Speaker ?: Yes. Okay. [00:57:56] Speaker 1: And then just again, make sure we're looking at the same conversation. I'm looking at conversation ID 446-943-660. Yes. Um, this conversation that, and I'm going to ask, um, if we could just scroll through the conversation so we can see kind of the length of it. So it looks like, um, this conversation is, is longer to me. Is that, does it look longer to you? Yes. And, um, and, um, if we could look at cell 145. So in this conversation, um, can you take a look at cells, um, um, 145, 146, 147? And 148, 148, 149? [00:59:12] Speaker ?: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And so this user is still expressing. [00:59:35] Speaker 1: This is a new, this is a different user. And is it, this user is, is expressing, um, discomfort at coming to someone else's house. This user says, I mean, I'm more than fine to play that role. Just not at someone else's house where your husband could come home at any time. And then, um, the Anastasia profile, um, which again, is, is that you and Brendan at the Anastasia profile. Yes. And, um, so you tell this user that he works a set schedule and that she works a rotating schedule and childcare responsibilities make it harder to plan around. And that they're only comfortable at my house and feel best about being there and recovering and relaxing at home afterwards. Again, the Anastasia profile, you and Brendan are saying, we don't want to come, we don't want to come outside of our house. And is this for the same reason? Yes. And then this user in cell number 143 tells her, the concept is very hot. Yeah. But the way you explain it does not look great on my side if anything were to go wrong. Basically, going into your home uninvited, tying you up and taking advantage of you. Is that what the intent was to have someone come in? Yes. And to, uh, and to behave in the manner. [01:01:17] Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm just going to object to the leading nature of these questions. [01:01:20] Speaker 1: It's been. I'll sustain this. Come on. Did you and Brendan ever agree to meet a FetLife user in public? No. Did you ever agree to meet another FetLife user at a hotel? [01:01:37] Speaker ?: No. [01:01:38] Speaker 1: Or at another user's home or work? No. And, um, so ultimately out of all the users in the, in the Commonwealth 67 and the, the few conversations that we've explored, Joe Ryan was selected. Yes. Who chose Joe? [01:02:02] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brendan. [01:02:03] Speaker 1: And did he say why he picked Joe after interacting with him on FetLife? [01:02:09] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was mostly because he made Brendan feel confident enough that he would be the person to, to play the role that needed a person to play. Which means being aggressive and hold her down and come over to the house and bring stuff and all that, yeah. [01:02:35] Speaker 1: And, um, did you and the defendant ever use any other form of communication with Joe Ryan? Yes. And what form of communication was that? It was telegram. And were you present when the telegram account was created? Yes. Who created the telegram account? Brendan. And how did he do that? [01:03:02] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He used her laptop on its anonymous page and he had her cell phone with him at the time because he needed to, um, receive a code on her cell phone. So she could create their account on telegram. [01:03:24] Speaker 1: And how did you and the defendant communicate with Joe Ryan on telegram? By texting. Did you use any other form of communication on telegram with him? [01:03:37] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Uh, phone call, like a phone call. [01:03:43] Speaker 1: And, um, who was it that spoke on the phone with Joe Ryan when you had that phone call? [01:03:49] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I spoke to Joe. I spoke to Joe. [01:03:51] Speaker ?: Yeah, I know, but it's been trying to be, hey, what is the podium? Which one? Uh, the podium? Yeah, the podium. Okay. [01:03:56] Speaker 1: Podium. Podium. Okay. [01:03:59] Speaker 3: Podium. Take the chair. When you spoke on the phone, did Joe comment on your accent? [01:04:06] Speaker ?: Yes. What did he say? That was the first thing he said. As long as he said hi, he was surprised that I had an accent. [01:04:12] Speaker 1: And he asked, oh, you have an accent? I didn't know. Mandel, him. Yes. Now, I'm going to show you Commonwealth 73. [01:04:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: And I would ask for this to be displayed to counsel and witness only. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm going to show you Commonwealth 73. And I would ask for this to be displayed to counsel and witness only. Okay. I'm going to show you Commonwealth 73. And I would ask for this to be displayed to counsel and witness only. [01:04:37] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I'm going to show you Commonwealth 73. And I would ask for this to be displayed to counsel and witness only. And if I could have the courts indulgent for just one moment. [01:04:46] Speaker ?: Sure. Okay. [01:04:48] Speaker 1: Okay. Do you have something on your screen in front of you? Yes. Okay. And Judge, Commonwealth 73 has been stipulated, admissibility has been stipulated by the parties. All right. [01:05:13] Speaker ?: Yes, sir. [01:05:14] Speaker 1: Okay. [01:05:15] Speaker 3: That's true. Okay. [01:05:17] Speaker 1: 73 in evidence. Thank you. Yep. And so we could publish that to the jury. Okay. Yeah. [01:05:23] Speaker ?: I'm going to scroll. [01:05:24] Speaker 1: This is a lengthy exhibit, so I'm not going to scroll through all of the bubbles, but I'm just going to scroll through a few pages so that you can get a sense of the two parties communicating. Now, in looking at these conversations, we see that the blue bubbles are from Anastasia. Okay. Yeah. And then we see the green bubbles are from Joe, the owner's Joe. Yeah. Did you come to know who that person was, or did you learn who that person was? Joe? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, just when he came to the house that day. Okay. Okay. [01:06:20] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Okay. Okay. [01:06:22] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:06:23] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I'm looking at page two. Joe sends a message on February 20th that says, "I'm looking forward to Friday." [01:06:26] Speaker 1: Who chose February 24th, 2023 as the date? [01:06:33] Speaker ?: Brendan. [01:06:34] Speaker 1: And did he say why he chose February 24th, 2023 as the date? [01:06:39] Speaker ?: Brendan. [01:06:40] Speaker 1: Joe sends a message on February 20th that says, I'm looking forward to Friday. Who chose February 24th, 2023 as the date? [01:06:53] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brandon. [01:06:54] Speaker 1: And did he say why he chose that date? [01:06:57] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He did say why, but right now I can't recall. [01:07:03] Speaker 1: I'm going to scroll forward to page 28. I apologize for the scrolling. There is a photograph in one of Joe's posts that I'm going to try to blow up here. Take a look at the photograph. Do you see it in front of you? [01:07:42] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:07:42] Speaker 1: Did Brendan see that photograph? [01:07:45] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He did. [01:07:46] Speaker 1: And did he make any comments on that photograph? [01:07:49] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [01:07:50] Speaker 1: What did he say? [01:07:52] Juliana Perez Magalhães: That that was not the knife he was expecting the person to bring. When he asked about the knife, he was expecting a point knife. That would be easier. [01:08:13] Speaker 1: All right. And I'm going to move down to page 41. On page 41, we see the Anastasia profile. Again, is that still you and Brendan? [01:08:41] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:08:42] Speaker 1: Okay. And the Anastasia profile says, oh, I forgot to tell you. I do have a dog. She's very nice, but she will be in the basement. Who sent that message? [01:08:53] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Lyndon. [01:08:59] Speaker 1: I am going to terminate this view here. If I could ask for it to be terminated to the gallery. Over February 24th, 2023, the day of, did the defendant ask you to do other things to get ready? [01:09:31] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Can you ask differently? [01:09:34] Speaker 1: Sure. Did you keep the same cell phone that you initially obtained when you came to the U.S.? No. Can you tell me about your cell phone in relation to the date of February 24th, 2023? [01:09:56] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah, a few days prior, Brendan told us to trade in our phones. Okay. [01:10:07] Speaker 1: And did you do that? [01:10:10] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:10:11] Speaker 1: And why did you do that? Why was it necessary to get a new phone? [01:10:16] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because he told me to get rid of my other phone where he had pictures and our stuff. And because even if I, even if I reset my phone, it was to be able to see the things I had before. [01:10:39] Speaker 1: And what about your Apple ID? Did you keep the same Apple ID? [01:10:43] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No. [01:10:46] Speaker 1: Why did you change Apple ID? [01:10:48] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because they also said that I would be able to see through my Apple ID, the things I had on my phone before. [01:10:57] Speaker 1: And did Brendan get a new phone as well? [01:11:01] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He did. [01:11:03] Speaker 1: Did it happen at the same time or at a different time than you? [01:11:06] Juliana Perez Magalhães: A different time. [01:11:08] Speaker 1: And were there any changes to the home? [01:11:16] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:11:16] Speaker 1: And can you talk about, can you talk about that? [01:11:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: They changed all the windows in the house. And Brendan's, Brendan's description of the window was, that was more soundproof. That's how I would say it. I'm not sure if that's how you'd call it, but that's, that's the description. [01:11:42] Speaker 1: Okay. And what, if anything, did he have you do with regard to that? [01:11:47] Juliana Perez Magalhães: After they changed the windows in the house, he told me to, for us to, to test. And he had told me to go up to the master bedroom and he would be outside in the driveway. And he told me for me to scream from the master bedroom to see if he could hear anything from the driveway. But I, I didn't, I didn't do it. [01:12:18] Speaker 1: Okay. Um, did you do anything different instead? [01:12:22] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Instead, he, he told, told me, so I could go out in the driveway and he would go up to the master bedroom and he would be the one screaming. And I didn't just tell him whether or not I heard anything, but also from the, from the backyard, because the back of the house had, um, trail and neighbors, and he would make sure people didn't hear from her. [01:12:52] Speaker 1: And did you do that? [01:12:54] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I was out to see if I could hear him. Yes. [01:12:57] Speaker 1: And could you? [01:12:59] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Barely. [01:13:01] Speaker 1: Um, and then where did you usually park your car? [01:13:05] Juliana Perez Magalhães: My car I would park normally in the driveway. Other times I'd park by the, by the mailbox in the coat sack. [01:13:14] Speaker 1: And, um, did you park it somewhere else in preparation for February 20, 24th, 2023? [01:13:20] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. The night before I parked in the coat sack. Why did you do that? Brennan told me to do so because maybe Joe would have come around to see what he's get, he was getting himself into. And, or maybe, maybe in the morning and then he would see a different car and you just got him away and yeah. [01:13:47] Speaker 1: And then, so those are all things that you, you did. Um, did the defendant do anything else in preparation for that day? [01:13:56] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah, he went around in the neighborhood, um, checking for ring cameras, doorbell cameras, um, the doors. Um, he knew that our neighbor, he didn't have cameras and our neighbor to our left. Um, and our neighbor, John, in front of us also didn't, didn't have cameras, but he was checking for other, other neighbors. Um, and also changing his routine to, so the day that happened, he, you don't be odd that he was at McDonald's like six minutes away. So, he started going to, leaving the house earlier to go to work and he would stop by somewhere else to eat breakfast or something. And, yeah, and so that they, he, he wouldn't be odd. Okay. [01:15:07] Speaker 1: Um, how did the defendant know that Christine would be out of the home on that morning? [01:15:14] Juliana Perez Magalhães: She was supposed to- [01:15:15] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, how did, how did, how did the defendant know that Christine would be at home that morning? [01:15:20] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah, she was, uh, scheduled to, to work that Friday morning and he had told me that he would talk to her out of it to, like, change. And so, instead of going to work on that morning, she, she would be off and she would be at home. [01:15:36] Speaker 1: And, and, um, what was the plan for you and Valerie to be out of the house? [01:15:46] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah, I had, uh, said about telling her that Valerie and I would go to, to the zoo, spend all day at the zoo. And we would be leaving the house early and, so, yeah, that, that was the plan for me and Valerie. [01:16:10] Speaker 1: When did you tell her about the plan? [01:16:12] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I told her it was a few days prior to, but I told her in person, because he didn't want any messages, where I would be asking, asking, telling her about it. Um, so, um, so the, the conversation I had with her was in person a few days prior. [01:16:30] Speaker 1: And you said, and you said the conversation was in person and why? I couldn't hear you. [01:16:35] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. Oh, you couldn't hear? [01:16:37] Speaker 1: Yeah. Why was the conversation in person? [01:16:39] Juliana Perez Magalhães: So, you didn't have, like, you didn't be me requesting talk down her that we're going, asking to go and, yeah, so he wanted things in person. [01:16:52] Speaker 1: And, um, who wanted things in person? [01:16:55] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brendan. Brendan. Okay. [01:16:57] Speaker 1: Was there really a no Paris trip planned for the zoo that morning? [01:17:00] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No, it was not. [01:17:11] Speaker 1: When you woke up on the morning of the 24th, what happened first? [01:17:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I woke up early. I think I had an alarm on my phone. And, um, downstairs to the kitchen. [01:17:30] Speaker 1: Do you recall what time you got up? [01:17:32] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I would say six, something. [01:17:35] Speaker 1: Did you wake up Valerie that morning? [01:17:37] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No, Brendan did. [01:17:39] Speaker 1: And, um, who brought Valerie to you that morning? [01:17:43] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brendan. [01:17:44] Speaker 1: Did he say anything to you when he left Valerie with you? [01:17:50] Juliana Perez Magalhães: She said Christine was asleep. [01:17:54] Speaker 1: And what did you do next? [01:17:58] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Next, um, I started getting here ready downstairs. Um, and, yeah, for now, I was just getting here ready, like, in the living room downstairs. Um, um, did you or Brendan text Joe that morning? [01:18:27] Speaker 1: Um, did you or Brendan text Joe that morning? Yes. And on what platform? [01:18:38] Juliana Perez Magalhães: On what, what? [01:18:39] Speaker 1: On what platform? How did you, how did you contact him? [01:18:41] Juliana Perez Magalhães: On telegram. [01:18:42] Speaker 1: Okay. And in the telegram messages, we can see instructions for Joe to park in the driveway. Um, what exhibit is this, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, what exhibit is this? Oh, I apologize, your honor, this is commonwealth 73. [01:19:01] Speaker 3: 73, so it's already in evidence, so we can publish it to the jury, thank you. [01:19:06] Speaker 1: Um, I apologize, I don't know exactly on one page. Okay, I'm just going to move on, I can't find the page at this moment. Um, how is, uh, Joe supposed to get into the house? [01:19:32] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, I told him during the phone call that the door would be unlocked. [01:19:39] Speaker 1: Okay, and, um, who unlocked the front door? [01:19:44] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brendan did, using Christine's cell phone. [01:19:50] Speaker 1: And, um, I'm going to show you, I could have, um, the view to be to counsel and the witness only at this point. Commonwealth 231. Is that 231? 231, thank you. Can you see that? [01:20:19] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [01:20:20] Speaker 1: Do you know what that is? Do you recognize that? [01:20:22] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I would say it's Christine's cell phone. [01:20:26] Speaker 1: And, um, do you, uh, recognize the app that is showing? [01:20:32] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes, that's the, that they would control the front door lock and the thermostat in the house. [01:20:39] Speaker 1: And, um, is, uh, is, is, is this the app that was, that was used to unlock the door? [01:20:45] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [01:20:46] Speaker 1: How is the door going to stay unlocked? [01:20:49] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It has to be changed. It has to be deactivated through the, the app on the cell phone. The person can choose how many minutes the door is going to lock. Okay. [01:21:07] Speaker 1: Judge, at this point in time, I'm going to ask to admit commonwealth 231. Any objection? Okay. All right, 231. And that can be published to the jury. And published. Yeah. What did Brendan do with the phone, if anything, um, after he made sure that the door would stay unlocked? [01:21:32] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, he had, he deactivated the door lock on her phone and he turned it off and hit the phone in the, in the drawer, in the bar area we have, like, in the kitchen. [01:21:49] Speaker 1: Uh, and at this point, we can terminate the view. All right. Before the two of you left the house that morning, did you have any other conversation with Brendan? [01:22:06] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No, he had, after a text to the jail, he said, Brendan told me he would be leaving the house at that moment for me to wait a few minutes before leaving the house with Valerie. [01:22:22] Speaker 1: What, if anything, did he give you in that morning before the two of you left? [01:22:26] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Gun. [01:22:30] Speaker 1: What kind of gun? [01:22:32] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It's a handgun. [01:22:34] Speaker 1: And what did you do with that? [01:22:37] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I put it in my, um, pocket, in my sweater. [01:22:45] Speaker 1: Who was it that left the house first? Brendan did. And, um, what was the plan for him that morning? Where was he going to go and what was going to happen next? [01:22:57] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He was going to stay, um, he was going to go to the McDonald's, which is, uh, let's say five, six minutes away from our house, by the clock hour, and, um, he had to stay there until whenever I called him. [01:23:19] Speaker 1: And what were you supposed to do? [01:23:22] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I was supposed to stay in the car with Valerie to put something on her iPad for her to watch. And as soon as I saw, um, Dariah pulling out the driveway, I was supposed to give Christina a call, but her phone would be off and it would go to voicemail. And I was supposed to call him right away and tell him there was somebody strange, strange coming, coming to the house and, and that I was, that I was scared and yeah. [01:24:05] Speaker 1: Okay. And, um, so let's go step by step. Did you leave the house? [01:24:13] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [01:24:14] Speaker 1: Did you go to the car? [01:24:15] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:24:16] Speaker 1: And, um, did you, uh, did you put Valerie inside the car? [01:24:26] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:24:27] Speaker 1: And did you begin to put a show on for her? [01:24:31] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah, I was trying to connect her tablet on the wifi on my phone. Okay. So I could put it on a show for her on Netflix. [01:24:39] Speaker 1: And then what, if anything, did you see after that? [01:24:44] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, thank you for a couple of minutes. I do not know how many minutes passed. That's when I saw Jill Pauline in the driveway and I was still parked in the, in the gold sack and I called Christine's phone and went to voicemail and I called Brendan right after, as he had instructed me to do. [01:25:12] Speaker 1: And did Brendan say why he wanted you to call Christine's phone and then call his phone? [01:25:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. So then you'd have the history, the phone call history on, on her phone that I had tried to call her. Um, yeah. [01:25:30] Speaker 1: And then what happened next? You said you saw Joe arrive. What, if anything, did you see him do? [01:25:38] Juliana Perez Magalhães: He just went straight to the, to, to the driveway and parked, uh, next to Christine's car. And I called, um, after I called Christine, I called Brendan and then he picked up the phone and, uh, and I was telling him just the way. Um, he had said, and like, there is somebody strange, and I come to the house and I'm scared and he, he told me he would, for me to stay there, he would be coming home, um, and that he, he would try to also call Christine. [01:26:20] Speaker 1: I'm going to go backwards a little bit. Do you recall when it was that Brendan told you when Joe arrives, call Christine and then call me, do you recall when he told you that? [01:26:36] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was throughout the, the whole process when he had, he had all his plan in his mind. And then he just told me, how things were going to happen, this is going to happen, you do this and then you do that, and that's going to happen. But I, I cannot say for sure, like the period, like when that was, I cannot say it. [01:27:04] Speaker 1: At this point, um, you've seen Joe Ryan go into the house, you've made your phone calls. What if anything happened at this point? [01:27:13] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, after I make, uh, after I called Brendan, he says he's coming and then a few minutes passed. Again, I don't know how many minutes and, but it, it felt like forever. Um, and he, he arrived, he parked his car next to the, to the mailbox and he got up out the car, he was crossing the street and I got out the car, I got Valerie out of the car too. Um, then we went following him to the, to the back of the house. Um, to the, to the door that leads us into the basement. [01:28:02] Speaker 1: Okay. And, um, whose idea was it to go into the basement? [01:28:07] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brandon. [01:28:09] Speaker 1: And whose idea was it for all of you to go into the basement? [01:28:13] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brandon. [01:28:16] Speaker 1: And did all three of you go into the basement together? [01:28:20] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [01:28:21] Speaker 1: And, um, um, when you access to the basement, um, did you go in through the front door of the house? Did you go in through the back door of the house? How did you get in? [01:28:30] Juliana Perez Magalhães: When the three of us got into the house through the basement door, which was in the, in the back of the house. [01:28:42] Speaker 1: And when the three of you went into the basement, did anyone lock the door to the outside that you had just come in after you went inside? [01:28:52] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No, after, when I started, I did not recall locking the door or doing anything at the door. [01:28:59] Speaker 1: Do you recall if their dog was in the basement when you went inside? [01:29:01] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I saw her in the flash, um, and also because I knew she, she was going to be there in the basement. But what happened with her after that, I don't know. [01:29:17] Speaker 1: Okay. Did she go upstairs with you? [01:29:20] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Uh, what, what is it? [01:29:22] Speaker 1: I'll move on. Um, so is Valerie still with you at this point in time while you're in the basement? Yes. Okay. And so what did, uh, what did you do with Valerie? [01:29:39] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Bernadette told us to stay there in the basement. And again, I knew we were supposed to stay there, she and I, and he, he went upstairs to the main floor. Okay. [01:29:53] Speaker 1: And what did, what if anything, did you do? [01:29:55] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I just stayed with her. And after a couple of minutes passed by and I had told her for you to like stay here. And then I, I also went upstairs to, to the, to the main floor. [01:30:10] Speaker 1: Was that something that you decided to do or was that a part of, um, was that something that you were told to do? [01:30:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Uh, it was something I was told to do, it was part of his plan. [01:30:20] Speaker 1: Um, say that again? [01:30:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: It was part of his plan. [01:30:23] Speaker 1: Okay. And when you say it was a part of his plan, whose plan? [01:30:26] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brenda's. [01:30:27] Speaker 1: Okay. So, um, you left Valerie in the basement and you said you went upstairs? [01:30:34] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Mm-hmm. [01:30:39] Speaker 1: So, um, when you got to the main level, um, did you or Brendan lock the door at the top of the basement stairs? [01:30:48] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I did not recall doing that. [01:30:50] Speaker 1: And what, if anything, did you do next? [01:30:55] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Oh, when I got to the, to the main floor, Brendan was standing at the bottom of the stairs, the stairs that lead us upstairs. Um, and he was just listening, then he gestured to me, like, to, for me to wait, just listen to the sound. And the sound was like slapping, that's just, when I was slapping somebody, that's the sound we could hear. [01:31:32] Speaker 1: And, um, what, if anything, happened after that? [01:31:36] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, I think we're listening to that sound for a few seconds. And he took his gun out. And, uh, because I also had the gun with me, I just did the same. And he proceeded to go upstairs, and I just followed him upstairs, to, to the master bedroom. [01:32:07] Speaker 1: Who opened the bedroom door? [01:32:09] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Brendan. [01:32:12] Speaker 1: Did you go inside the bedroom? [01:32:14] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:32:15] Speaker 1: And what did you see when you went inside the bedroom? [01:32:18] Juliana Perez Magalhães: When we first get into the bedroom, I could see that the, the, the bed we have in the master bedroom, it was kind of tall. And so from, from my point of view, all I could see was, like, Joe, at the moment I knew it was Joe, like, on top of Christine. In a way, on this pipe, holding her down. And that was my, my first view, as soon as I get into the bedroom. [01:32:55] Speaker 1: Were you able to tell, um, were you able to see Christine at all at that point? [01:32:59] Juliana Perez Magalhães: At that point, no. [01:33:03] Speaker 1: Did anyone say anything when you, the two of you went into the bedroom? [01:33:08] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah, when I got, um, to the bedroom, Brendan said, um, he yelled, police officer, and Christine's first reaction, that was the first time I heard she say anything at that point. And she yelled back at Brendan, saying, Brendan, he has a knife. And, yeah, that's, um, that's when Brendan first shot Joe. [01:33:43] Speaker 1: Did you see Joe before he was shot? [01:33:45] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. [01:33:47] Speaker 1: What did he look like when he saw Brendan? [01:33:51] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Shocked. [01:33:54] Speaker 1: After Brendan shot Joe, did anyone say anything? [01:33:59] Juliana Perez Magalhães: If anyone said anything? Yeah. Did anyone say anything in the room at that point? Yeah. Because, um, Brendan ran to Christine. She was still, um, on the, on the floor. And I think that point, she, she had, she had seen me and she said, she had asked her what to do to Brendan, I think, regarding to that he shot Joe. And she said my name, she told me, Julia, I'll call 911. [01:34:36] Speaker 1: And what did you do? [01:34:38] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I called 911. [01:34:39] Speaker 1: And what happened after you called 911? [01:34:44] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, at that point, Joe was already shot, so that's the, the, the sound in the background. And Brendan looks at me and just, in a way, for me, like, to, um, to hang up the call. [01:35:09] Speaker 1: Did he tell you? Did he say, Juliana, hang up the call? [01:35:12] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No, he did not. [01:35:13] Speaker 1: How did he communicate to you? [01:35:16] Juliana Perez Magalhães: A gesture. [01:35:17] Speaker 1: And what gesture did he make? [01:35:21] Speaker ?: This. [01:35:23] Speaker 1: And so, what did you do after he made that gesture? [01:35:26] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I hung up the phone, the, the phone call. [01:35:34] Speaker 1: What if anything happened next? [01:35:37] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Next, um, he, was on top of Christine, Joe's laying there, and they had to, for me to, for me to grab a towel, from the, the master, um, bathroom, we have the closet. And, I just ran to the, to the master bathroom, and grabbed him a towel, and, to bring it to him. [01:36:14] Speaker 1: And, at this point in time, could you see Christine? [01:36:17] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:36:19] Speaker 1: What did you see Brendan do next? [01:36:21] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because, when I, when I was bringing him the towel, he, he had, he, he got on top of her, and, that's when I first saw him stabbing her with a knife. [01:36:42] Speaker 1: Where in her body was he stabbing her? [01:36:46] Juliana Perez Magalhães: The neck. [01:36:47] Speaker 1: And, were you able to see whether or not he stabbed her one time, or more than one time? [01:36:54] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, I, when I first saw it happening, I ran to the, to the other side of the, the, the bed. And, I was just crunching down on myself, and, covering my ears, and covering my eyes. And, a few times I looked, and, I was able to, to see him, stabbing her. And, um, he would stab, and other times he would, hold the, the, the knife, in a position, how, how it was. [01:37:48] Speaker 1: And, um, he said he was holding the knife in a position? Yeah. How was he holding it? [01:38:18] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, this position. I think when, the way he stabbed, he was just, kind of like, holding it, putting pressure on it. [01:38:37] Speaker 1: And, was he just holding on to the knife at that point, or was he still stabbing her? [01:38:45] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I was holding on to the knife. [01:38:50] Speaker 1: Did you stab Christine at all? [01:38:52] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I did not. [01:38:54] Speaker 1: Did you touch Christine at all during this, at this point? [01:38:57] Juliana Perez Magalhães: No. [01:38:58] Speaker 1: Did you get any blood on you? [01:39:01] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I did. [01:39:02] Speaker 1: And, how did you get blood on you? [01:39:05] Juliana Perez Magalhães: The blood on my hands, I remember, because at some point when he was stabbing her, I had, just, I was kneeling, like, she had, she was here, and Brenna was, like, stabbing her, and I came closer, and was right here, and I knelt on the, on the carpet. And, I had, put my, my hands, on the, on the carpet, and, as soon as I felt blood, I just, just, just, threw my hands from the carpet. Why? What did the blood feel like? It was warm. [01:40:06] Speaker 1: Did you get blood on, uh, any other part of you? [01:40:11] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yeah. Um, um, um, it was on my, on my shoes, but also on my socks. [01:40:24] Speaker 1: How did you get blood on your shoes? [01:40:28] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Uh, walking around, I would say, freaking out, and I was pacing back and forth. And, it was pacing, and staying in place, covering my eyes and ears, and that, I didn't want to hear, what, the, the, the conversation, and. So, I, I don't truly know, like, how I got blood on my socks. [01:41:03] Speaker 1: So, when did you take off your shoes? [01:41:06] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, when Brendan had, told me, 21, 28, he was, telling me, basically, to go to the, to the, master, um, to the closet, to the safe. And, and, he was telling me, 21, 28, and it took me a while to know what he was talking about, and I was like, 21, 28, what? And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and before I, I started going to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the closet. He told me to take off your shoes. And, and, and, and I took off my shoes, and I proceeded going to the, to the safe, um, like, on my tiptoes, like, with my socks on. [01:42:09] Speaker 1: Why was it that you went to the safe? [01:42:12] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Huh? [01:42:12] Speaker 1: Why did you go to the safe? [01:42:14] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Because it was also part of his plan, and for reasons I can't make sense of them now, uh, given that I had the gun with me that morning. Um, yeah. [01:42:38] Speaker 1: But he wanted you to go to the safe? [01:42:40] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:42:48] Speaker 1: Okay. I'm going to show you a series of photographs at this point. And they are going to be Commonwealth 74, 75, 76, 77, and 78. And if I could have them, um, displayed to the witness and council only, please. [01:43:07] Speaker 3: Okay. [01:43:10] Speaker 1: I'm going to, um, scroll through these photos, and I'm, and I'm going to ask you some questions about them. So this is Commonwealth 74, 75, 76, 77, and 78. Do you recognize these photos? [01:43:33] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:43:34] Speaker 1: And, um, how do you recognize them? [01:43:37] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, these photos were taken at the police headquarters on the date that happened. And the last, the last picture, it's a picture of my shoes and, um, my socks. [01:43:54] Speaker 1: And the photos that show us 74, 75, 76, and 77, do those, are those true and accurate depiction of, of the clothing that you were wearing that day? Yes. And is 78 a true and accurate depiction of the shoes and socks that you were wearing that day? Yeah. Judge, at this point in time, I would ask, oops, I would ask for the court, um, to publish these to the jury. Push them in evidence. Oh, I'm sorry. Any objection. Admit them into evidence and then publish them to the jury. All right. No objection from the defense. [01:44:34] Speaker 3: 75, 76, 77, and 78 in evidence. [01:44:37] Speaker 1: And I'm just going to click through them so that they can publish. And we can terminate that. You, please. Okay. What did you do next? [01:45:07] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I'm sorry. Oh. [01:45:10] Speaker 1: What, what did you do next? After 21, 28, you went to the safe, came back. What did you do at that point? [01:45:18] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Um, at that point, that's when I was, I, I, I stand in front of the, the dresser and the TV. And I'm telling Brendan that Joe is moving. He was moving. And, and Brendan, he, he doesn't have any reaction to that whatsoever. Um, and I just start telling him his movie, his movie is behind you. And that's when I fired the shot too. That's when you, could you say that again? [01:46:10] Speaker 1: I fired. And when you say you fired, you fired what? [01:46:14] Juliana Perez Magalhães: And then the gun that, that was where in my, um, that I had in my pocket, the, the handgun. Did you hit anyone? Joe? [01:46:30] Speaker ?: Yes. [01:46:30] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Who'd you hit? Joe. [01:46:31] Speaker ?: Joe. [01:46:31] Juliana Perez Magalhães: What happened after you shot Joe? I also shot him, he falls back. [01:46:47] Speaker 1: Um, did you see Brendan touch Joe's body after you shot him? [01:46:58] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Well, he was still, um, he stabbed in Christine and he had, there was, he got her blood. In a handful of blood and he starts dripping, um, on, on Joe's body. [01:47:33] Speaker 1: Did you ever call 9-1-1 again? Yeah. Why did you call 9-1-1 again? [01:47:44] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I called 9-1-1 again when he, he told me he was, Brendan told me he was ready for me to call. [01:47:53] Speaker 1: And, um, when you, when you made that call, do you recall what you said? [01:48:01] Juliana Perez Magalhães: I, I think I, I do not remember everything I said. I, I remember saying, uh, I guess a friend of mine was being stabbed and somebody was shot and I couldn't talk the, the rest of the call. So Brendan took the lead and he was the one talking to the, to the responder to, on the, on the phone call. [01:48:35] Speaker 1: Did the police arrive that day after you called 9-1-1? [01:48:42] Juliana Perez Magalhães: They did. [01:48:43] Speaker 1: What did you do when the police arrived? [01:48:48] Juliana Perez Magalhães: The, the person on the phone, the 9-1-1, she was, she told me to not hang up on the phone and go make sure the door, the, the front door is open. And so I went downstairs to make sure the door was open. And that's when they were already like at the door at that point. [01:49:16] Speaker 1: And that day on the, on the day that the, the murders took place, did you speak to the police that day? [01:49:27] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. Um, I think the first time I spoke to the police was in the, in the driveway. And they took Valor and I to, to the police headquarters. [01:49:47] Speaker 1: Did you talk to the police when you got to headquarters? [01:49:52] Juliana Perez Magalhães: Yes. [01:49:53] Speaker 1: And did you tell the, um, detectives that you spoke with that day, um, about the things that you testified to here today? [01:50:03] Juliana Perez Magalhães: The, that, what I, that I told the detectives that day, um, it was the version Brendan had told me if I was already, if I was ever, if I was ever to talk to a lawyer or this is ever going to happen. Like this, the, this is what happened. The, the version I told the detectives that day, and that I eventually also told his lawyer, the, the same, the same version. Ms. Bursler, is this a good break point for the day? Yes. [01:50:37] Speaker ?: Ms. Bursler, is this a good break point for the day? Possibly? [01:50:39] Speaker 3: Yes. Ms. Bursler, is this a good break point for the day? Yes. Ms. Bursler: Possibly? Yes. [01:50:46] Speaker ?: Ms. Bursler: All right. [01:50:47] Speaker 1: You want to check with. Judge, I can have one more. [01:50:53] Speaker ?: Yes. Ms. Bursler: Yes. [01:50:55] Speaker 3: Ms. Bursler: Yes. Ms. Bursler: Yes. [01:50:57] Speaker ?: Ms. Bursler: Yes. [01:50:58] Speaker 1: Ms. Bursler: Yes. Yes, Judge, this is a fine place to stop. All right. [01:51:01] Speaker 3: Just stay right there, ma'am. Ladies and gentlemen, since it's five o'clock, we're going to go ahead and release you for the day. Just a reminder tonight, don't look at any news. Don't look at any social media. Do not talk to anybody about this case and please do not do any outside research. Okay? And we'll, Deputy Johnson will take you back. And just make sure you get here tomorrow at the correct time so we can start right on time tomorrow at 10 a.m. Okay? Perfect. Thank you. [01:51:25] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, ma'am. [01:51:56] Speaker 3: Just as a reminder, since you're still testifying, it's important that you do not talk to anybody about this case or your testimony. That includes the prosecutors or the defense attorney. Okay? Okay. You are allowed to talk to your attorney, Mr. Campbell, who for the record is present in the courtroom today. Okay? Okay. [01:52:19] Juliana Perez Magalhães: All right. [01:52:20] Speaker ?: So you're excused until tomorrow morning.