Ana Kasparian vs. Pearl (Full Debate)

[0:00] ladies and gentlemen this debate our main card it has a little bit of a different format than [0:05] what we did previously we're going to have the opening statements for both of you those will [0:10] be five minutes a piece then you'll each get 10 minutes to kind of uh do an interrogatory of the [0:16] other that will go back and forth um and then after that we'll go into open debate as you saw [0:22] with some of the other debates earlier we try to let the other person answer i'll try to jump in [0:26] as i can but for the most part i want you all to mix it up all right have fun with it and [0:33] who was first i'm first i thought so anna take it away we got five minutes in a may 2024 appearance [0:41] on tim pool's culture war podcast my opponent pearl davis declared that women aren't really [0:47] doing much we're not having kids we're not really contributing to the economy when you look at [0:54] output in fact she uses this ridiculous [0:58] assertion to argue that women should not have the right to vote while it's true the birth rate has [1:04] declined and we'll revisit that in a bit women account for 47 percent of the american workforce [1:13] the council of economic advisors found that women have contributed a substantial portion of the u.s [1:19] economic growth since 1970 which wouldn't have been made possible without the feminist movement [1:26] by 2017 women were responsible [1:29] for nearly 40 percent of total gross domestic product amounting to a whopping 7.6 trillion [1:37] dollars of course that figure doesn't include the trillions of dollars in unpaid labor women do [1:44] every year tending to the household raising children and caring for ailing parents [1:51] and when it comes to certain sectors of our economy women are a dominant and indispensable force [1:58] like in the health care industry [1:59] industry where they make up nearly 80% of workers according to the Bureau of [2:04] Labor Statistics that's 16.4 million women when it comes to education in 1960 [2:12] women earned less than 35% of all bachelor's degrees today they earn [2:17] roughly 58% of all bachelor's degrees which pearl herself benefited from after [2:23] graduating from Elmhurst University women also earn over 60% of master's [2:29] degrees I hope to hear pearl explain how a more educated and skilled population [2:36] somehow translates to cultural decline especially as we compete with China in [2:43] this increasingly multipolar world the Modern Feminist movement also had a [2:48] major impact on decreasing domestic violence and that's according to the US [2:53] Department of [2:53] of justice. Rates of intimate partner violence decreased by more than 60% from 1994 to 2010, [3:04] and that's thanks to protective order statutes and funding for shelters beginning in the 1970s [3:10] and 80s. Not only did the two-income household become more financially resilient, especially [3:17] during economic downturns, women gained the ability to leave abusive relationships, an outcome [3:24] correlated with improved child health and educational attainment. A culture that protects [3:31] people from violence is not one that's indicative of cultural decline. Pearl herself has benefited [3:39] greatly from the feminist movement, thanks to Title IX in 1972, signed by Nixon, of course. [3:46] Sex-based discrimination and [3:48] any school program or activity that receives federal funding is prohibited. Pearl herself [3:54] had a rather impressive record playing for Elmhurst University's volleyball team, [4:00] having earned all-conference honors as a senior. She later pursued professional volleyball in [4:07] London. She could have stayed in the United States and served in her role as a traditional woman, [4:14] but she didn't, and she could have been the traditional, [4:22] chaste woman. [4:22] Some people may have thought that this woman was living out her dream of everything women [4:30] were supposed to do before feminism, but she is neither traditional nor chaste by her own [4:36] admission. While feminists would have no problem with her personal choices, she has made a [4:41] career bashing women for theirs. Critics often argue that modern feminism has weakened families [4:49] and resulted in a lower birth rate. They tend to dismiss empirical evidence demonstrating the [4:53] social media, on modern relationships. They also brush economic instability under the rug, [5:00] despite young people citing their personal finances as the main reason why they're holding [5:06] off on marriage in the first place. In lieu of discussing those factors, Pearl spends much of [5:12] her time discouraging men from getting married in the first place. During her debate with Trent Horn, [5:18] she declared that men are better off shacking up without ever getting married. [5:23] Her reasoning? Women are too fat and STD infected. You did say that. She didn't stop to think about [5:34] how they contracted the STDs in the first place. Data from the National Library of Medicine show [5:41] that modern men are just as promiscuous as modern women. Men and women are in bad shape, [5:47] and in the United States, [5:49] we can discuss why, but feminism is not the reason. [5:52] Very good. Nice job. Okay, Pearl, we got five minutes. You're going to be on the clock, and let's go. [6:01] Most debaters and commentators are elitists who tell average Americans from their ivory towers [6:09] what to think and how to feel. My answer to this question not only comes from covering current [6:14] events and researching the facts, data, and statistics, but also in my professional experience [6:20] interviewing over a thousand people in America. [6:23] Women have been prosecuted for crimes on the basis of white supremacy and Labour, [6:29] or theしま sized crime in Western nations. Feminism has given women power and power corrupts, [6:34] and that's what's happening. Feminism is robbing men of their disposable income and [6:40] their prime earning years. Feminism has empowered women. It has empowered women to be sexually [6:47] to the approval of men. Why then are 5 to 10 percent of women between the ages of 18 to 25 [6:55] on OnlyFans or other prostitution websites? There are more online prostitutes in America [7:01] than female Walmart employees. One of three women will catch an STD at some point in their lifetime. [7:09] 90 percent will catch HPV, which is incurable. Feminism has empowered women to abort an eighth [7:16] of the world population and a third of Gen Z. Feminists have been so empowered to commit [7:22] paternity fraud. Paternity fraud is unpunished in any state in the USA or any country in the West. [7:28] If done correctly, a man will have to pay for a child he was fooled into believing was his [7:34] until that child reaches maturity. In some states, that man will also have to pay for that kid's [7:41] college. That is slavery and is forbidden under the 13th Amendment. One-third of paternity [7:46] tests are negative by the American Association of Blood Banks. Feminism has empowered women to [7:53] rob men. Rob men of their time, their resources, their reputation, their children, and in the most [7:58] extreme cases, their lives. They do this through child support, alimony, false allegations, [8:09] and paternity fraud. How many people in this arena have a brother, a father, an uncle, [8:15] or a friend who has gone through this meat grinder? [8:20] Anna has been on the air. [8:21] For 15 years, and is completely oblivious to these issues. It's a silent genocide of the lives of [8:29] millions of men. Standing on the sidelines of the arena, I have 33-year combat veteran Terrence Popp. [8:37] He served through three wars and was almost killed in two. He got married, had two children, [8:43] and served in the United States Army. Terrence Popp was deployed to Iraq in 2004, [8:49] and as a member of the Airborne Infantry, he was wounded by a roadside bomb, [8:53] and suffered a TBI and a stroke from the blast. He was evacuated out of the country, [8:58] and it took over two years until he had recovered. While he was recovering, [9:02] his wife was plotting to divorce him. His wife murdered his six-year-old chocolate lab [9:06] out of spite because he filed for divorce first. When he confronted her, the response he got was, [9:12] I told you, I did not want you living here. At this point, he was forced to leave the [9:19] marital home and live out of his car. The divorce took away his home, his children, [9:23] and left him penniless. He was forced to leave his home, his children, and left him penniless. [9:24] He was forced to leave his home, his children, and left him penniless. Terrence had to pay [9:29] $144,000 over a 12-year period for a divorce that his wife was empowered by feminists to [9:36] plan and execute. Terrence went into court to fight for 50-50 custody. Terrence was called [9:42] a murderer and an assassin in open court and was given 96 hours a month with his children. [9:47] 96 hours a month is not a father. While homeless, he spoke to many other men who would never get [9:55] off the streets of his home. Terrence was called a murderer and an assassin in open court. [9:55] Terrence was called a murderer and an assassin in open court. Terrence was called a murderer [9:56] and an assassin in open court. Terrence was called a murderer and an assassin in open [9:56] court. Terrence was called a murderer and an assassin in open court. The lawyer was [9:57] sentenced on a four-year use, but it wasn't without幾 dash pay. The court patients [10:00] lose money for separate [10:13] on the school, and at $ahleni, he is called a murderer, case, and leaves book 51. [10:15] A judge finished a petition in behind the Charbi Residence for world shining lunch [10:20] judging current law. Terrence popped a cap on Switch д zoals [10:22] He hoard what An wave of humanity [10:25] He steal hooves [10:25] death and was shocked because he was planning to commit suicide in the exact same manner. [10:30] So in effect, his former commander took the bullet that was meant for him. Terrence Popp decided he [10:36] would not kill himself and has spent the last 20 years saving 576 men from suicide with comedy. [10:44] If you look to the left of the stage, Terrence is holding the dog tags for every live that he has [10:50] saved. Now, why am I telling you this? Because men and American veterans are put in this position [11:01] because of the empowerment that feminists like Anna have pushed for. There are millions of men [11:06] that have died in this country from the political power that feminism pushes. Since 1970, an [11:11] estimated 1.6 million men have committed suicide. If feminists cared about equality, why aren't they [11:20] fighting for equality and divorce? [11:22] Family court, as hard as they are fighting for abortion, working, or becoming sex workers. [11:27] Thank you. [11:29] Okay, this is going to be a heavy one. We're going to go now to the opening interrogations. [11:42] We have 10 minutes. Do we have that on the clock? It's fading in right there. Okay, [11:47] and take it away, 10 minutes. [11:50] Who's interrogating who? [11:51] Whoever wants to begin. [11:53] Aside from the specific anecdote that you shared, which of course is tragic, [11:59] can you cite- [12:00] Can you cite some actual studies that look at the statistics and back up what you say in regard to [12:07] the outcomes of marriage and divorce in America? [12:11] 41% of 109 rape cases reported to police in a Midwestern city were admitted to be false by [12:19] complaints. [12:19] In one Midwestern city? And which Midwestern city was that? [12:24] You know, you can go from your ivory tower and tell people what to think about people. [12:27] I'm not in an ivory tower. I'm on this debate stage interrogating your assertions. [12:31] And you've only provided an anecdote. [12:36] Right. [12:36] Because if you look at the data, which I did, of course, you'll find that women are twice as likely [12:43] to fall into poverty after divorce. [12:46] Right, because they can't stop spending. [12:47] Alimony is paid out in 10% of divorces. According to the Census Bureau, the average child support [12:55] payment is $441 a month, and only 60% of those- [13:01] Right, but how much are they paying? [13:02] $441 a month. [13:02] How much are they making? [13:03] How much do those payments get paid out? [13:03] How much- [13:04] Women do not get child custody 90% of the time, as you have asserted before. [13:10] In fact, 95% of custody cases are mutually agreed upon outside of the courtroom. [13:19] Women get full custody 40% of the time, men do get full custody 20% of the time, and 40% of the [13:28] time it's shared custody, which I think is the ideal situation. [13:32] Assuming that neither spouse is abusive. [13:35] And, Pearl, excuse me, before you respond, if you could take your microphone out and [13:41] hold it, it would be easier to hear you. [13:44] Okay. [13:52] Alimony and medical care and dental are not covered by that, so a lot of times it does [13:57] go above 50%. [13:59] Again, you can go through the facts, the data, and the statistics and manipulate them any [14:05] way that you want. [14:06] It's not manipulation. [14:07] Those are the stats. [14:08] There are 1.6 million men in this country. [14:11] Men are nine times more. [14:12] They're more likely to commit suicide after a divorce. [14:15] Compared to women, what's the number for women? [14:18] It's lower. [14:19] Really? [14:19] What is it? [14:22] Comparative analysis is real difficult for you, isn't it? [14:24] Okay. [14:28] Go ahead, Pearl. [14:29] What's your next question? [14:31] You have asserted that men shouldn't get married, that instead they should shack up. [14:35] I didn't say that. [14:36] You did say that. [14:37] With Trent Horn, word for word, you said it makes more sense for them to shack up, live [14:44] with a girlfriend, instead of getting married. [14:46] Do you think that's the right thing to do? [14:47] Do you think that's the right thing to do? [14:47] Do you think that's the right thing to do? [14:47] Do you think that's the right thing to do? [14:47] I think the advice that you give to men is the type of advice that will fulfill their [14:51] lives. [14:51] Because I'll tell you one thing. [14:53] The best part of my life is my husband. [14:56] I love my husband. [14:57] He's my rock. [14:59] He's my foundation. [15:01] And no, my husband is number one. [15:05] I love my career. [15:06] But you know what my career did? [15:07] When I met my husband, my career was already established. [15:10] He, on the other hand, was couch surfing. [15:13] He was in debt and didn't know what he wanted to do with his life. [15:16] I married him anyway. [15:17] You want to know why? [15:18] Because I had the economic freedom to marry for love, not for some Chad to take care of me. [15:25] How tall is he? [15:27] Oh, he's 6'1", about your height. [15:30] None. [15:31] I don't want kids. [15:32] Let's not do shouting questions from there, please. [15:34] Allow these two to debate each other. [15:37] Okay, what's your question? [15:40] I mean, you don't really have much to answer, so I don't know what else to ask you. [15:44] Do you think you're helping men by discouraging them from entering fulfilling marriages? [15:50] What happens to men if they don't pay taxes? [15:52] I mean, what happens? [15:55] It's not about child support. [15:58] What happens? [16:00] What happens, Anna? [16:02] How many men do you think get arrested? [16:04] I don't know what the number is, but the idea that there's like a huge number of men getting arrested for not doing what they're supposed to do and take care of their children, it's not a huge issue. [16:16] What happens to men when they don't pay child support? [16:18] Only 60% of child support payments get paid out. [16:21] You've got to allow her to interrogate you, not them. [16:24] want, but I don't think you understand how privileged of a position you're in. [16:29] In what way? [16:30] How am I privileged? [16:31] Men are the ones that are on the hook for child support. [16:34] Men are the ones that are on the hook for alimony. [16:36] It's easy for you to tell men to just take the risk when you're not in that position. [16:41] So are you asserting that men shouldn't pay child support following a divorce? [16:46] Do you believe that women should be financially responsible 100% after a divorce? [16:51] Feminists wanted to be equal. [16:52] So I say be equal. [16:54] If you guys want equality, 50-50 custody, no child support, no alimony, no special privileges. [17:01] Alimony is paid out in 10% of divorces. [17:04] It doesn't matter if you're part of the 10%. [17:05] It does matter. [17:06] It does matter because you make it seem like it's a widespread issue when it's only 10%. [17:10] The Tender Years Doctrine is a sexist law against men. [17:14] That's sexist. [17:15] How is it sexist if a woman decided to forego a career, decided to be a stay-at-home mother, [17:21] and the marriage doesn't work out? [17:23] She has no job. [17:24] She has no income. [17:26] So you think it's unfair to get support from her ex-husband so she can raise the kids, so [17:32] she can pay? [17:33] Sixty percent. [17:34] Sixty percent of kids under five have daycare. [17:36] Daycare is an option now. [17:38] You want it to be men. [17:39] Do you know how much daycare costs? [17:40] You want it to be men. [17:41] Here you have it. [17:42] Do you know how much daycare costs? [17:43] Do you think it's free? [17:44] You're not letting her answer. [17:45] Let her answer. [17:46] A lot of things are expensive, Anna. [17:47] I mean, it's men... [17:49] That's not an answer. [17:51] Women have 85% of consumer spending. [17:53] Women spend money all the time. [17:54] You spend money on your wife. [17:55] You spend money on hair dye. [17:56] You spend money on Botox. [17:57] You spend money on the... [17:58] You should think about it. [17:59] On the... [18:04] I sure am. [18:10] You spend money all of the time. [18:13] So you want it to be men. [18:15] Here it is. [18:16] You're equal. [18:17] Pay for daycare. [18:18] Equality means that when you have a child or children, you're both responsible. [18:24] So the idea that the woman should take 100% of the costs on herself without any help from [18:32] her husband or ex-husband is ridiculous. [18:35] How is that fair? [18:36] Well, how is it fair that he doesn't get 50-50 custody? [18:37] Well, he... [18:38] First of all... [18:39] It's 50... [18:40] Why are you asserting that they don't? [18:41] It's 50% his DNA. [18:44] Why can't he have 50% custody? [18:45] Where have feminists been? [18:46] There was a study... [18:47] I've been on 20 different... [18:48] Let me answer your question, even though I should be interrogating you. [18:49] I'll answer your question. [18:50] Massive study out of Massachusetts that looked at 24,000 divorces. [18:51] In those 25 divorces, they found that in only 8% of cases did men ask for custody. [18:52] That's ridiculous. [18:53] That's ridiculous. [18:54] That's ridiculous. [18:55] That's ridiculous. [18:56] That's ridiculous. [18:57] That's ridiculous. [18:58] That's ridiculous. [18:59] That's ridiculous. [19:00] That's ridiculous. [19:01] In those 25 divorces, they found that in only 8% of cases did men ask for custody. [19:08] 8%. [19:09] Right, because the average American can't afford divorce fees, Anna. [19:13] It costs $25,000 to get a divorce. [19:14] But women can afford to raise the children by themselves without support from the ex-husband. [19:20] How does that make sense? [19:21] What did you say? [19:22] I didn't hear you. [19:23] We were talking. [19:24] You're complaining about the costs while simultaneously arguing that a woman should [19:30] not get child support in order to raise a child. [19:33] Right. [19:34] Because she can't. [19:35] That the former couple had together. [19:36] Are you guys equal or not? [19:37] You wanted to be equal. [19:38] Yes. [19:39] Equality means that you're both responsible for raising the children, and that includes [19:40] the costs of raising the children. [19:41] Right. [19:42] Right. [19:43] So you should have equality, but not at the expense of men. [19:44] 50-50 custody, 50-50, no child support, no alimony. [19:45] That's equality. [19:46] You don't want equality. [19:47] Alimony makes sense if the woman was a stay-at-home mother and doesn't have a source [19:48] of income. [19:49] How else would she take care of the kids following a divorce? [19:51] By getting a job. [19:52] By getting a job. [19:54] By getting a job. [19:55] By getting a job. [19:57] By getting a job. [19:58] By getting a job. [19:59] By getting a job. [20:00] If she was a stay-at-home mother and doesn't have a source of income, how else would she [20:03] take care of the kids following a divorce? [20:05] By getting a job, just like the men. [20:12] You're saying that a woman who doesn't have recent job history is just going to willy [20:19] nilly enter the job force, or workforce, I should say, and easily get hired? [20:24] Do you guys care about those? [20:25] The men do it. [20:26] So do you care about the children or not? [20:27] Because you're making this about the oh, the poor husband. [20:29] What are you a woman? [20:30] That's emotional. [20:31] The poor ex-husband who doesn't want to pay the child support, doesn't want tiếp cohabitation. [20:34] Yes. [20:35] want, you know, to take on any of the responsibilities of having children in the first place, why [20:41] is it that you seem to have a problem with men carrying out their responsibilities, but [20:47] when it comes to... [20:48] Men are dying to care about their responsibilities. [20:51] Really? [20:52] Men are fighting to be a part of their kids' lives. [20:55] What's the empirical data on that? [20:58] I don't need data. [20:59] How many people in here have had a family or a friend fight for their kid and not be [21:05] able to get it? [21:07] The reason that this happens, Anna, is because lawyers tell them not to fight because it's [21:13] so expensive and they won't win. [21:16] What is that based on? [21:17] They won't win. [21:20] You have to provide... [21:21] Look, Pearl, I am open to be convinced, but I need more than anecdotes. [21:26] I need more than vibes and feelings, because we're talking about something serious here. [21:32] We're talking about raising children. [21:34] We're talking about the shared responsibility of raising children. [21:38] That, of course, includes the cost... [21:40] Ninety percent of disputed custody goes to women. [21:43] That's not equal. [21:45] Ninety percent. [21:46] That's a totally made-up statistic. [21:48] Where are you citing that from? [21:49] Let's take a break there, because our time actually ran up. [21:56] Those opening interrogations are over. [21:57] Let's take a moment here. [21:59] If you guys want to grab a sip of water. [22:00] All right. [22:01] The next step is going to be 30 minutes. [22:05] We're going to open it up. [22:07] Again, open debate. [22:08] I have to remind you guys, I know everyone's passionate about this, I get that, but you [22:17] can't... [22:18] We're going to have multiple people debating at the same time, right? [22:20] We've got one debater here, we've got one debater here. [22:23] Let's keep it here. [22:24] All right? [22:25] Let's put 30 minutes on the clock, and let's begin the open debate. [22:28] Pearl, I'll let you pick up here. [22:29] Go ahead. [22:31] What happens to men when they don't pay child support? [22:35] There are consequences for it, especially when there's a court order for them to carry [22:38] out their responsibility and pay child support so that child can be raised. [22:44] What happens if they don't pay... [22:45] Do you think there shouldn't be legal responsibilities or legal consequences if they fail to carry [22:50] out a court order? [22:51] A court order to, you know, take care of their kids? [22:54] I've interviewed men that have paid millions of dollars in child support. [22:57] Don't care about your interviews. [22:59] Anecdotal evidence doesn't matter. [23:00] What I need is actual, statistic, empirical evidence. [23:09] They should pay their child support. [23:12] $441 is the average child support payment. [23:18] $441 a month. [23:20] Yeah, that's for someone that makes $24,000 a year. [23:26] You just told me a woman can just go to work and take care of the kids totally by herself. [23:31] How does a guy live when he's paying $500 a month on $24,000 a year? [23:41] You think $500 a month is too much in child support? [23:45] Do you know how much it costs to raise a child? [23:46] Do you know how much childcare costs, for instance? [23:50] I mean, that mother has to go to work, right? [23:53] Where is the kid going to stay while that mother is working? [23:57] How is she going to pay for the daycare? [23:59] What happens to men when they don't pay child support? [24:01] Sorry, say that again? [24:02] What happens to men when they don't pay child support? [24:05] There are legal... [24:06] There are legal repercussions for not carrying out a court mandate to do something. [24:12] Do you think that fraud should be illegal? [24:15] Absolutely. [24:16] Okay. [24:17] So why is it not illegal for women to fraud men on paternity? [24:23] If a man does not find out he's the father over the age of two, he is on the hook for [24:28] child support for 18 years. [24:31] I don't know what the law is when it comes to that. [24:35] But it's wrong. [24:36] It's wrong. [24:37] If you're lying about paternity, that is wrong, and there should be legal consequences for [24:40] that. [24:41] Well, why haven't feminists fought? [24:42] It's that simple. [24:43] Then why aren't feminists fighting for it, Anna? [24:46] Because feminists fight for women, obviously. [24:48] Right. [24:49] That's my point. [24:50] At the expense of men. [24:58] You guys want to believe women at the expense of men. [25:00] Why isn't Amber Heard in jail? [25:03] Because of the Me Too movement, you guys pushed believing all rape victims, and now we have [25:08] rape... [25:09] Amber Heard had to pay out a massive settlement. [25:11] Let's have a continuous statement. [25:12] Yeah. [25:13] Why isn't she in jail? [25:15] You want her in jail? [25:16] Yes. [25:17] She ruined his life. [25:19] Well, the penalties for defamation are what the court's decision is, right? [25:25] You want people to go to prison for defamation? [25:28] He had to go to two different countries to clear his name. [25:31] Why isn't she in jail? [25:33] He lost millions of dollars. [25:35] To be clear, you think the penalty for defamation is prison time? [25:41] I think the penalty for a false accusation is that the... [25:45] The woman should get the same time that he would have gotten if he was found guilty. [25:49] Yeah. [25:50] Men don't go to prison for defamation. [25:51] See, this is the problem with feminists. [25:55] You want all these freedoms, but you want to actually be equal. [25:58] Be equal. [25:59] I do want equality. [26:00] No. [26:01] If you wanted to be equal, you would fight for 50-50 child support, no alimony. [26:08] No alimony. [26:09] Mm-hmm. [26:10] Mm-hmm. [26:11] Again, if a woman decided to forego working, decided to stay home to raise the children, [26:18] and the marriage doesn't work out... [26:20] She's got no income whatsoever. [26:22] She doesn't deserve any alimony. [26:23] Well, number one, women aren't even doing that. [26:24] Number one, that's not even a... [26:26] Women are not staying home with the kids. [26:28] And number two, you have daycare. [26:29] No, no. [26:30] A lot of women do these days, actually. [26:31] You have daycare as a choice. [26:32] The traditional women who want to stay home, they want to be traditional wives. [26:37] You trash them all the time, which I don't understand. [26:39] Look, if feminists cared about equality... [26:40] It seems like women can't do anything right when it comes to you, right? [26:43] If feminists... [26:44] They're stay-at-home moms. [26:45] They're traditional. [26:46] They're... [26:47] Yeah, that's their question. [26:48] They're their response. [26:50] I'm not personally attacking you. [26:52] These are things that you have said on the record multiple times. [26:56] But if you cared about equality, you would care about false accusations. [27:00] You would care... [27:01] I do care about false accusations, yeah. [27:02] No, you don't. [27:03] You don't know me. [27:04] You don't know what I care about. [27:05] Look, all right. [27:07] Let's talk about rights that men do not have. [27:10] Men do not have the right to be enlisted in selective service. [27:14] You know, we have 125K men who were drafted and buried overseas. [27:19] Think about that. [27:20] Think about it for a second. [27:22] You talk about the oppressions of the past, but how many men died in World War I and World [27:27] War II and had no choice, and yet Anna complains about oppression? [27:32] Men do not have the right to face their accuser in court when they have a false allegation [27:37] and for personal protection orders that strips constitutional rights away from the man. [27:43] Women go before a judge and say they don't feel safe, and more than likely a PPO order [27:49] will be issued. [27:50] The man was not in court, had no say, has no defense, and does not get to face his accuser. [27:56] That is done en masse, and many servicemen and first responders lose their careers over [28:02] this because it strips a man's Second Amendment rights away based on no evidence. [28:07] Where are you getting that information from? [28:08] Men do not have the right to raise their children. [28:10] Divorce is no fault, but when it comes to child custody, it's always the man's fault. [28:16] He loses his children to the system. [28:18] 96 hours a month. [28:19] That's it. [28:20] The father does not wake. [28:22] Men have longer prison sentences. [28:24] Women get a third of the time for the same crime. [28:27] Where are the feminists fighting for equality on that issue? [28:32] There has been rampant discrimination against better qualified men in hiring across multiple [28:38] industries. [28:39] Men pay more child support, and child support orders are not enforced at the same rates [28:43] between men and women. [28:45] Women are more likely not to pay and are prosecuted for misconduct. [28:49] Men are prosecuted for non-payment at lower rates. [28:53] Men cannot opt out of parenthood. [28:56] Men have very few domestic violence shelters and are not taken seriously when they're domestic [29:01] violence victims. [29:02] I agree on that. [29:03] I do agree on that. [29:04] Men, white men in particular, are discriminated against when it comes to hiring and educational [29:08] attainment. [29:09] True. [29:10] The Duluth model is a model that law enforcement, courts, and counselors use automatically [29:15] that assumes men are the aggressor. [29:17] The Tender Years Doctrine is a guideline in divorce. [29:19] It is used to justify removing the father from the child's life. [29:24] The only institutional sexism that exists is institutional sexism that discriminates [29:30] against men in favor of women. [29:33] Furthermore, U.S. courts do not require receipts to show how that money is spent by the custodial [29:39] parent unless there is overwhelming evidence of starvation, malnutrition, or severe child [29:44] abuse. [29:45] There are numerous reports of custodial parents spending the money on lust. [29:46] Hold on. [29:47] Pause. [29:48] Pause. [29:49] Let's let her respond to some of that. [29:52] Let's understand something. [29:54] You want government to be so big that you literally have the government looking at receipts [30:01] to see what a mother is spending the money on? [30:04] That's insane. [30:05] I want no child support, no alimony 50-50 custody. [30:08] Yeah, because you're crazy and you don't live in reality. [30:11] I want equality. [30:12] I'm more of a feminist than you, Anna. [30:15] Because I say if you want to vote, be in selective service. [30:20] Be on the front lines. [30:21] Just like the men are. [30:22] Who do you think gives birth to and raises those soldiers? [30:30] What does that have to do with anything? [30:31] Because you assert that women shouldn't be allowed to vote because they're not all in [30:36] mandatory military service. [30:38] I say be equal. [30:39] You want to vote, do what the men do. [30:40] Men are fined $125,000. [30:41] Should women be included in combat? [30:42] Men are fined... [30:43] Should women be included in combat? [30:44] Yes. [30:45] Okay. [30:46] Fair. [30:47] Fair. [30:48] Do what the men do. [30:49] Yeah. [30:51] Fair. [30:53] Agreed. [30:57] Next? [30:58] I want to know what your ideal woman is, because if you are a traditional conservative [31:06] woman who's married, staying at home, raising kids, you trash them. [31:10] There's no such thing as a traditional woman. [31:14] They cannot be traditional in 2025 because women will always have the leverage. [31:19] What does that mean? [31:20] What does it mean that women will always have the leverage? [31:25] Women have child support to fall back on. [31:27] Women have alimony. [31:29] So automatically... [31:30] 10% of divorces... [31:31] Yeah. [31:32] ...end with alimony settlements. [31:33] It doesn't... [31:34] 10%. [31:35] And they go... [31:36] You just ignore the stats. [31:37] You just move on. [31:38] They go from men to women. [31:39] They go from men to women. [31:41] Billions of dollars every year... [31:42] I thought you said earlier that women are paying alimony. [31:43] Billions of dollars... [31:44] Billions of dollars of wealth every year is transferred from men to women. [31:45] Mm-hmm. [31:46] Through the... [31:47] Based on what? [31:48] Where are you getting that information from? [31:49] ...through a family court? [31:50] Are you just making it up? [31:51] Look, we have it. [31:52] We're excited. [31:53] We can get it to you at the end. [31:54] You didn't want to submit... [31:55] Where are your sources? [31:56] You didn't want to submit them ahead of time. [31:57] I don't know. [31:58] I don't know. [32:00] You didn't... [32:01] The Census Bureau, Bureau of Labor Statistics, I cited everything I mentioned. [32:14] Pull it up. [32:17] Pearl, the main thing I want people to understand, okay, Pearl's going to trash women no matter [32:23] what. [32:24] That's fine. [32:25] I'm not trash... [32:26] But my biggest gripe with you is you're discouraging people from entering marriages. [32:35] I don't tell men what to do. [32:36] Sell me... [32:39] Okay. [32:40] Sell Hannah. [32:41] You advise men to avoid marriage. [32:42] Sell me on marriage. [32:43] What do men get out of marriage? [32:47] That's sad. [32:48] It's sad that people think that. [32:49] It really is. [32:50] You get a partner. [32:51] You get a teammate. [32:53] You get to build a life together, and it's beautiful. [33:00] I feel like misery loves company in this situation. [33:09] And how would you know what you get out of marriage if you haven't experienced marriage [33:13] in the first place? [33:14] I'm not saying that as a personal attack. [33:16] I really hope that Pearl... [33:17] Yeah. [33:18] She meets the love of her life... [33:19] Why do we have... [33:20] And gets married. [33:21] It's not about that. [33:22] But you trash it without really understanding what the benefits are. [33:29] Why do we have phrases like it's cheaper to keep her? [33:34] Pearl... [33:38] Answer the question. [33:39] Divorce is expensive. [33:42] And by the way, on purpose, to discourage people from getting divorced in the first [33:45] place. [33:50] Why do we have phrases like happy wife, happy life? [33:53] Because it's true. [33:56] Same with happy husband, happy life. [33:58] I don't want to come home to an angry husband. [34:00] But that's not a phrase, is it? [34:03] Do you have any other like catchphrase or slogan you want to throw at me? [34:08] What do men get out of marriage? [34:10] They get a partner. [34:12] That gains 25 pounds in the first five years. [34:15] Men get pretty fat too. [34:16] I don't know if you've done a comparative analysis on that. [34:19] They actually end up gaining more weight than their wives do. [34:23] And who cares? [34:25] Men? [34:27] I mean, have a conversation with your partner. [34:31] Encourage her. [34:32] How can... [34:34] Be an adult. [34:35] How can men and women be equal? [34:36] Especially if she's giving you children. [34:37] How can men and women be equal when one is expected to die for the other? [34:41] I don't expect anyone to die for anyone else. [34:48] I don't know what that even comes from. [34:50] Yeah, but men are willing to die for you every day. [34:52] The men in the police force, the men in the military. [34:55] What about the women in the police force? [34:57] They're not... [34:58] One, they're 10% and they cause so many problems. [35:00] So what? [35:01] Who cares what percentage women make up of the police force? [35:05] They're in the police force. [35:06] My sister-in-law's a cop, actually. [35:08] They can't do the same jobs. [35:10] There's videos on the internet everywhere of women getting their guns taken because they're not strong enough. [35:15] Are you just making things up? [35:16] No. [35:17] Pearl, what are you doing? [35:24] Like, seriously. [35:25] Next question. [35:27] How good do you have it in this country? [35:41] Absolutely. [35:42] Best country in the world. [35:47] And you get to live the life you live at the expense of men. [35:54] No, that's not true. [35:56] That is true. [35:57] Show me how. [35:58] Do you know how many men die every year just to... [36:04] There are men that die every year. [36:10] Every year to get you proud. [36:12] How many women die every year during childbirth? [36:15] Not many. [36:18] This country has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed country. [36:24] So a lot of women do die as a result of pregnancy and childbirth. [36:28] Yes. [36:45] This is painful, man. [36:53] Do you have any other questions for me? [37:03] Should I move on? [37:04] Like, what are we doing now? [37:05] Let me... [37:06] Can I ask a couple questions? [37:07] Absolutely. [37:08] Yeah. [37:09] Okay. [37:10] Let's just jump in here. [37:11] I'll ask you one, and then I'll ask you one, and we'll kind of go back and forth. [37:15] I kind of half-jokingly said at the beginning, like Pearl had mentioned, I think you actually [37:19] said it here too, that you believe you may be more of a feminist. [37:23] Do you consider yourself to be a feminist, and how would you define that? [37:28] I don't consider myself to be a feminist, mainly because it's a loaded word, and there [37:34] are certain outcomes from certain waves of feminism that I don't agree with, particularly [37:42] when it comes to minimizing the importance of men in society. [37:45] I do think that there is, especially the third wave of feminism that's done that. [37:50] I personally really value masculine men, and I don't appreciate feminists speaking on behalf [37:57] of all women in regard to what women prefer. [38:00] I think the Me Too movement started off as a legitimate grievance with women who were [38:06] legitimately abused, and it devolved into something laughable and ridiculous, especially [38:11] when... [38:12] You know, someone like Aziz Ansari gets accused of being some sort of sexual predator when [38:17] he clearly wasn't. [38:19] So I just don't like how loaded that word is. [38:23] What I actually genuinely want is equality among the sexes. [38:28] I'm not looking for women to have an upper hand over men at all, but we need to be based [38:33] in reality, and we need to look at the statistics and figure out what's really going on. [38:38] If men are getting a raw deal as a result of divorces, then yeah, the laws need to be [38:43] changed. [38:44] And I genuinely thought, prior to this debate, that they were getting the raw end of the [38:48] deal. [38:49] But as I researched this, I realized I was believing in outdated myths. [38:55] So yeah. [38:57] Pearl, let me ask you this. [38:59] Do you believe, and obviously you are citing a lot of anecdotal stories, I do think it's [39:06] fair to point out every anecdotal story is someone's story, right? [39:10] So they're not fake stories, and they're not meaningless, obviously, to the people who [39:14] live those realities. [39:15] In a lot of cases, they're very painful. [39:19] Because of your platform, you speak to a lot of those people. [39:23] How much is that informing where you're coming from in this debate, is the real stories of [39:28] people who have been hurt by this stuff? [39:30] I mean, I've interviewed a thousand people. [39:32] I interviewed a guy who had his kid transitioned, and there was nothing he could do about it. [39:35] I interviewed another guy, and he spent $300,000 trying to get his kid back. [39:40] He actually went overseas to Ukraine during the war, just trying to be in his kid's life. [39:44] And he's not going anywhere. [39:45] He's going to be in his kid's life. [39:47] So yeah, it impacts it a lot. [39:48] I've interviewed so many men that want nothing more than to just be a dad and see their kid. [39:53] They don't even care about the money. [39:54] They just want to see their children. [39:55] And if you ask Anna, it doesn't exist. [39:56] But if you ask any man, everybody knows somebody that it's happened to. [39:57] And commentators can try to minimize it. [39:58] They can talk from their ivory towers and pretend it's not happening, but there's a [40:01] genocide of millions of men that's going on in this country. [40:03] And I think that's a good thing. [40:04] And I think that's a good thing. [40:05] And I think that's a good thing. [40:06] And I think that's a good thing. [40:07] And I think that's a good thing. [40:08] And I think that's a good thing. [40:09] And I think that's a good thing. [40:17] You use the word... [40:18] A genocide? [40:19] I was going to say... [40:20] A genocide? [40:21] ... 1.6 million men commit suicide. [40:23] I have committed suicide since 1970. [40:28] Similar rates of women also attempt suicide, but fail because they usually don't resort [40:34] to more violent means of ending their own lives. [40:37] Right. [40:38] So they'll take pills. [40:39] But why is that? [40:40] Why is it that every time we bring up men, you have to bring up women? [40:44] Because we're doing a comparative analysis here. [40:46] You can't just throw out statistics... [40:47] Right. [40:47] without comparing it to what the rates are among women. [40:51] What I'm pointing out is I just pointed out that by 2050 more men will have committed suicide [40:57] than all of the world wars combined, and your first response was, well, women commit suicide too. [41:02] Because it is a problem that is inflicting both sexes in this country. [41:07] It is a tragedy and should be taken seriously rather than this weird sex war. [41:14] But it's not going to be taken seriously when you pretend it's not going on. [41:17] It is going on. Are you kidding me? [41:19] I mean, how many of our soldiers, our veterans, come back to the United States after multiple deployments, [41:25] do not get treatment or help with PTSD and other mental issues as a result of being deployed multiple times? [41:34] Like, that's a real problem. How come you don't talk about that? [41:37] You blame it on marriage and divorce instead. [41:39] Because those soldiers come home to an empty house. [41:43] You think that divorce is the reason? [41:47] For most of these suicides? [41:49] Men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce. [41:52] How many more times likely are women to commit suicide after a divorce? [41:57] What about the women? [41:58] You don't know the number, right? Because you didn't even care to look into it. [42:01] What about the women, though? [42:05] That's always what you go to. [42:07] And that's kind of what I'm trying to point out, is feminists don't care about male issues, they don't. [42:12] They do not care about equality. [42:14] Because whenever you ask them for real equality... [42:17] Pearl, my point is that suicide... [42:19] Suicide is not just a male issue. [42:23] It is a huge problem in this country. [42:25] Women who try to end their own lives are less successful because, again, they're less likely to use a gun, for instance, or hang themselves. [42:35] They'll take pills, it'll fail. [42:37] It's just a tragic thing all around. [42:41] But if you actually care about suicide rates, then you would want to know what's causing the suicide rates or the attempts at suicide. [42:49] Divorce. [42:50] So it's a huge problem. [42:51] It's a huge problem that's happening in our society to help people, to prevent that from happening. [42:54] And you wouldn't make it specifically and solely an issue that inflicts one sex over the other. [43:02] Again, I mean, you're just proving my point, because we talk about male issues and keep bringing it back to the women... [43:13] Look, I mean... [43:14] I just want you to compare the stats you're spewing right now with something to compare it to. [43:21] Okay. [43:22] Do you think that women should be on the frontlines of the military like the men? [43:26] If they can pass the law. [43:27] If they can pass the physical test necessary to do so, yeah. [43:31] Do you think women should be in selective service, like the men? [43:35] Yes. [43:37] Yeah. [43:38] Okay. [43:39] And they should be on the front lines as infantrymen? [43:40] If they are physically capable of doing it, yes. [43:44] Okay. [43:45] So no. [43:47] So you want to put people who aren't physically, I mean, obese men wouldn't be put on the front [43:52] lines. [43:55] Do you think women should be jailed for false accusations? [43:58] Depends on what the false accusations are. [44:00] If she's falsely accusing someone of rape, for instance, yes. [44:03] Just yes or no. [44:04] Just okay. [44:05] Thank you. [44:06] I agree. [44:07] Do you think that women, do you think that child custody should be 50-50? [44:12] As long as the court determines that both parents are capable of being caretakers, yes. [44:20] In fact, that's the ideal situation. [44:22] Okay. [44:25] So yes. [44:26] Yes. [44:27] All right. [44:28] Do you believe in alimony? [44:30] I believe in alimony in specific cases where the woman decided to forego [44:34] having a career and working, decided to stay home and raise the kids. [44:39] In those cases, I believe she deserves alimony, yes. [44:42] But that's a privilege. [44:44] You're ridiculous. [44:45] Anyway. [44:46] That's a ... [44:47] Next. [44:48] Move on. [44:49] Wait. [44:50] You said it's ridiculous. [44:51] It's ridiculous. [44:52] That it's a privilege to stay home with your kids. [44:53] Especially coming from a girl who grew up in an affluent situation with incredibly [44:57] wealthy parents. [44:59] You don't know anything about struggling economically or financially. [45:04] So to tell a single mother who decided to stay home and raise her children instead [45:11] of work that she doesn't deserve a penny to raise her kids after a divorce is the most [45:17] privileged piece of shit thing to say. [45:21] This is ... [45:22] Next. [45:23] This is the type of nagging that drives men to suicide. [45:26] Good. [45:27] But I'm married and you're not. [45:29] So ... [45:31] Next. [45:32] Jesus Christ. [45:35] I get it. [45:43] I get it. [45:44] You want to date someone who's not an OnlyFans girl, right? [45:47] Never. [45:56] I don't need to. [45:59] Not that I'm judging. [46:02] It's ... Why isn't paternity fraud illegal? [46:09] We've been over this already. [46:10] It's estimated 6% of men are fathering children that are not theirs. [46:14] One third of ... [46:15] I don't really believe your stats ... [46:16] Like, where are you getting that stat from? [46:17] The American Blood Bank Association. [46:19] Are you happy? [46:21] One third of ... [46:22] That's wrong, and yes, there should be consequences for that. [46:25] But there aren't. [46:26] Okay. [46:27] But there are where have the feminist ... [46:28] should be so we agree on that next right you can agree but you haven't covered it and it's and [46:33] that's my point is you guys don't care about equality you want you want freedom at the expense [46:38] of men okay sure next do you think that men should have the right to opt out of fatherhood [46:46] since women have the right to opt out of motherhood no i condom on you don't want to [46:59] have children put a condom on or require him to wear a condom that's equal yeah that that choice [47:05] is equally irresponsible he's the one with the johnson he gets to decide what he does with it [47:10] i think i'm more of a feminist than you sure go great congratulations this is the longest 30 [47:33] minutes of my life i'm going to interject again if i can um so one thing that i do think is happening [47:53] is that there is a shift that is taking place in america and i think you're both have alluded to [47:59] this a little bit and so i'll ask anna first if you would agree with this because you said [48:08] that going into this debate you thought a lot of these things were true right and you started to [48:14] see that maybe these things were not as true as you would believe do you believe that your previous [48:19] belief was informed by nonsense or the fact that states and legislatures and and courts are changing [48:31] what they're doing over the last few years in terms of alimony and parental time and that kind [48:35] of thing i think that with more women [48:39] participating in the workforce it's hard to argue that you know women should get paid alimony when [48:47] they have their own income so yeah i think that the culture has changed the workforce has changed [48:53] and as a result of that the courts weigh whether or not something like alimony makes sense and look [48:58] much like pearl i had heard the horror stories and i was basing much of my world view on situations [49:06] like this based on anecdotes basically and so when you [49:10] look at the statistics and the broader picture you have a clearer idea of what's actually happening [49:16] in the aftermath of a divorce would you be willing to concede at least that maybe some of the reasons [49:23] some of these things are shifting is because of people like pearl and others who are drawing [49:30] attention to these stories because i think we could all agree that until recently a lot of those [49:36] stories were just stories you hear from other people and it was not allowed in media at all it [49:40] was not discussed [49:41] would you at least concede that i'm sure that there are advocates who have fought to maybe change the way these court [49:49] cases play out sure i don't know about pearl though i understand we're in debates you can't get too [49:55] much credit pearl in your experience the men that you talk to do you see a difference in terms of the [50:03] age of those men where maybe it's getting better for some because i would take it that some of the guys who [50:09] were a little older and have been through this in the past the courts are starting to [50:13] and realize that maybe it's not very fair no no no what and why do you believe that you think [50:23] the courts are completely i mean one of one of i mean there's men that write into my show [50:29] every day just talking about how much they want to be fathers so um i hope it changes but right [50:37] now i would say no do you think it's fair that all of the young women who were preyed upon [50:45] as minors by jeffrey epstein are now experiencing yet another administration engaging in a cover-up [50:53] or was it the female's fault for being preyed upon by a disgusting pedophile i'm just curious [51:04] what question is that i think it's a pretty straightforward one that has nothing to do [51:13] with the topic no it does though because you're talking about the unfairness of our court system [51:19] especially as it pertains as pertains to divorces but [51:24] you're talking about the unfairness of our court system especially as it pertains as it pertains to [51:25] divorces but when you're talking about the unfairness of our court system especially as it pertains as it pertains to [51:25] we're talking about a guy who got a sweetheart deal after raping minor girls and then even after [51:34] that multiple administrations democrat republican doesn't matter engaged in a cover-up ensuring [51:40] that those victims would never get justice and this has to do with with this i mean you want [51:46] to talk about the unfairness in the court system and how terrible it is for men what about how [51:50] terrible it is for women that has nothing to do with that it has a lot i think in fairness [52:01] you gotta you gotta admit that's an anecdote too in comparison to the overall statistics it's a pretty [52:06] big anecdote he's a big anecdote but he's also an untouchable anecdote right i don't think it's [52:12] untouchable i think it's super touchable so let's let's go back to actually hold on we got 10 seconds [52:18] so we won't we won't hold on all right here's what we're going to do we're actually going to [52:22] take a break uh we're going to come off of the stage and then we're going to actually go up to [52:27] the analysts and get their take on this first 30 minutes all right take it away sam [52:31] good job that's the way it should always come back a little pyro all right here's what we're [52:44] going to do we're going to come back we have about 15 more minutes of open debate and then [52:48] we're going to get into the final statements so we'll pick up our open debate pearl i'll let you [52:54] begin what's your plan when men stop doing the dirty and dangerous jobs that keep society running [53:01] i think you could hold your mic sorry i'll say it again can you give me an example of which jobs [53:08] you're referring to logging plumbing crab fishing oil rig [53:13] yeah those are dominated by men they have the physical capacity to do it men and women are built [53:21] differently what's your plan when they stop i mean we're going to have a problem are you suggesting [53:28] that women should be forced to work on oil rigs and things what is your plan that's what do men [53:36] get out of doing those i don't have a plan pearl for a situation in which men no longer do those [53:41] jobs maybe you do it i don't know what's your plan when men start walking away from [53:48] marriage what's your plan so do men or women get a raw deal from marriage because you just said [54:00] men walking away from marriage so is he culpable for doing that what is your plan when men walk [54:06] away from marriage is he responsible for walking away from a marriage or is he just never guilty [54:14] my point is you shit on men i don't shit on men i love men the very yet the very microphone you're [54:20] using was built by men the building was built by men the building was built by men the building was [54:22] built by men and there's no gratitude or appreciation you just tell them they're not [54:27] doing enough got me you got me yep so what's your plan when men start walking away from society [54:34] what do you mean by walking away from society when men stop doing the dangerous jobs when men [54:41] stop getting married when men stop having kids to be quite honest with you if american men decide [54:47] they no longer want to do those jobs very likely our government will import men from countries [54:53] where they're willing to do those jobs that's [54:55] that's probably how what's your plan when they date american women and then decide to stop too [54:59] i'm not worried about that of course you're not no i never had the future is not going to be great [55:13] for feminists you guys are going to get the equality that you're asking for men are not [55:17] going to protect women in the streets men are going to stop signing up for the infrastructure [55:21] jobs the birth rate's going to keep falling and the future is going to be bleak okay listen i think [55:32] men and women serve important roles in society [55:37] i think that you have a shallow understanding of what i believe number one but more importantly [55:45] what the dynamic is between men and women in modern society you're under this weird impression [55:52] that the anecdotal evidence that you cite is indicative of the outcome of all marriages [55:58] in reality study after study shows that married couples tend to be happier than single [56:07] individuals right they're happy before the divorce divorce is terrible divorce means that the marriage [56:14] didn't work out obviously they're not going to be happy in the middle of the divorce correlation [56:18] doesn't mean causation people have married happy people and date happy people in general you're [56:23] attributing it to marriage but you're not you're not going to marry someone that's a like a bit okay [56:33] you're right pearl you know what's really interesting is if you look at marriage rates which [56:39] have dropped in the united states not just in the united states actually [56:43] globally um you'll notice that the people who are less likely to get married happen to be those [56:51] who are from a lower socioeconomic status right marriage is disappearing from the middle class [56:56] that's true from from poor individuals yes what do you do you wonder why because women marry rich [57:06] people forgo marriage due to their own personal financial situation so women marry for money a lot [57:16] okay okay so i'm going to go to the next question and then i'm going to go to the next question [57:20] let me ask you something pearl men would you be willing to marry a guy who's poor men because i [57:27] married a guy who was in debt and love the hell out of him best thing in my life would you marry [57:34] a guy who is broke that's very no career and in debt would you very that's very nice anna would [57:40] you so i'm going back answer the question would you marry a broke guy in debt all right so we're [57:44] going back to the topic would you all right this is the nagging this is the nagging again okay so [57:50] i'm pushing you to answer a question because you're judging women making a blanket statement [57:55] of who they would be willing to marry who they wouldn't be willing to marry but you're not [58:00] answering the question yourself would you be willing to marry a broke guy in debt does your [58:05] husband have to listen to this does he have to listen oh he loves it all right can i go back [58:12] why do you don't want to answer that yeah why not just say no i don't want to love is love is love [58:17] now back to the question [58:20] men 88 of the of the food the power grid 93 men transportation 95 men men are in communications [58:29] 90 men material production 78 men software 80 men auto workers 98 men carpenters 98 men [58:40] electricians 98 men if you remove the top male dominated jobs from the economy you would have [58:47] no running cars no housing no electricity [58:50] no open machinery no materials or fabrics and no computers there would be no buildings and no amazon [58:58] delivery i've never once said that men are not a very important part of american society you want [59:06] men enslaved to women for nothing in return no you're just making that's what you want that's [59:11] what you want you want men on the hook okay pearl what have i said that gives you that impression [59:15] what have i said that gives you that impression you want men on the hook for child support you [59:19] want men on the hook for alamo [59:21] you want men to not take responsibility you've been on the air for 20 years and you have not [59:28] advocated for men that are victims of paternity fraud you want men to do all of the work get no [59:34] credit for nothing and men aren't going to do it anymore they're going to walk away anna they're [59:39] not going to do it anymore and feminists as you said have no plan for when that happens and i [59:47] what do you want their plan to be you think it's a feminist responsibility to plan for [59:51] this made-up society where all men decide they no longer want to work what's funny she actually [59:58] advocated for left-wing policies the last 20 years and then she got assaulted by a homeless person [1:00:04] what does that have to do with the topic because it was the result of what you voted for anna [1:00:09] wood program Não é nuevo approved? [1:00:13] não quero ver, a gente quer saber porquê slippa, porque quero saber o porquê eu personifico as mãos de violência [1:00:16] quer dizer que eu voto as mãos de violência para pessoas bumps que mex existem relacionadas com asãs homês [1:00:19] sexualmente atacando pessoas [1:00:20] se olha que eu sou eu sou as corona [1:00:22] porque Ana doidíssima gente que... [1:00:23] I got sexually assaulted by a guy. [1:00:25] Was that his responsibility? [1:00:27] Was that something that he did or was that my fault too? [1:00:30] So the other crazy thing is that Anna complains that women's opinions aren't taken seriously [1:00:36] while the whole event was catered around her opinion. [1:00:40] The other thing that's crazy is Anna complains about women being oppressed [1:00:47] and yet she had less experience than her co-host at the Young Turks. [1:00:52] Hold on. [1:00:53] What were my complaints about women being oppressed? [1:00:57] Can you be specific? [1:00:58] What did I say? [1:00:59] Go ahead and quote me because you make shit up and you just think like it's going to stand. [1:01:06] You've never had a strong woman challenge your bullshit assertions. [1:01:11] So go ahead and tell me what have I complained about? [1:01:14] Give me the quote. [1:01:16] You said women's opinions are not taken seriously. [1:01:19] When did I say that? [1:01:22] In a YouTube video. [1:01:23] There's two women on this stage. [1:01:24] Right now for the headline event. [1:01:26] Oh my God. [1:01:27] Are we going to end? [1:01:28] When have I said women's opinions don't get taken seriously? [1:01:31] You just make it up. [1:01:32] It's kind of like the roundabout. [1:01:34] This is like eternal nagging. [1:01:36] What is your plan for when the 80% of women who work in the healthcare industry no longer want to do it? [1:01:43] What's your plan? [1:01:43] I have a plan. [1:01:44] Yeah, what's your plan? [1:01:44] Let's give the jobs to the men. [1:01:46] They'll do it better. [1:01:48] Because we see what's happening in the media. [1:01:53] You know, women fly planes, they crash them. [1:01:55] All women. [1:01:56] Women. [1:01:57] Women. [1:01:57] Women. [1:01:58] Women almost burned down California. [1:02:01] You know, people are dying because they want to make women feel better. [1:02:06] People literally. [1:02:07] What I'm curious about is whether or not the Pick Me Act ever resorted into anything positive for you. [1:02:13] Are you done? [1:02:18] I'm not. [1:02:19] All right. [1:02:19] So, I'm not either. [1:02:21] Okay, keep going. [1:02:23] Now, the other thing is women fly planes, they crash them. [1:02:31] Women aren't CEOs. [1:02:32] What are the stats on that? [1:02:33] Most female. [1:02:33] What are the stats on that? [1:02:34] You know. [1:02:35] It's like feminists, they want stats that say water is wet, the sky is blue. [1:02:39] Yeah, I want empirical evidence to back up your arguments. [1:02:42] Because you know, you want to be in control of telling people what to think and how to feel. [1:02:47] No, I want to be in reality. [1:02:50] I want to live in a fact-based reality that requires empirical evidence, not your assertions. [1:02:58] We all saw that plane crash on the East Coast. [1:03:03] No one's making that up, Anna. [1:03:05] You do better when you're reading off your paper. [1:03:07] So, I'll give you some time to do that. [1:03:14] In the future, because I'm sure you'll find yourself in more of these debates, [1:03:19] I actually think that you could be an incredible debater. [1:03:22] But you need to look at the broader picture, not just rely on anecdotes, [1:03:28] and don't make things up out of full cloth. [1:03:32] Okay. [1:03:33] Feminism-empowered women, I'll take the tip, thank you. [1:03:37] Feminism-empowered women to sign up for previously male-dominated careers, that they quit. [1:03:42] 48 to 73. [1:03:43] 43% of female lawyers, depending on the type of firm, quit either as junior associates [1:03:48] or at mid-career. [1:03:50] One quarter of them cite workload burnout mental health. [1:03:54] 73% of women who got engineering degrees in the past 15 years either have never entered [1:04:00] the field professionally or quit early mid-career. [1:04:03] 55% of all female accountants quit before or at their mid-level career. [1:04:09] The attrition rate for women in STEM is approximately 50%. [1:04:13] These companies often bend over backwards to get women hired to the point of discrimination [1:04:19] against male qualified candidates. [1:04:21] Then women quit because they don't want to work the long hours or deal with the levels [1:04:24] of stress for an extended period of time, with women being 2.5 more likely [1:04:29] to take antidepressants than men. [1:04:31] The money and prestige isn't worth it to them, they prefer lower pay, [1:04:35] lower workload, and higher job security. [1:04:38] Feminism-empowered women to go to college and take out loans they can't afford for career paths [1:04:43] that will not generate them income to pay off those loans. [1:04:46] Men have higher dates than women. [1:04:47] Right, because women put their biggest expenses on their husband's credit card. [1:04:53] According to Experian, and they look and account for those factors that you just mentioned, [1:05:05] women are 85% of consumer spending, we lead when it comes to luxury brands. [1:05:10] Men have more mortgage debt, car loan debt, personal credit card debt, personal loan debt. [1:05:16] Right, because they're expected to provide. [1:05:18] They take 80% of consumer buying decision. [1:05:20] Again, if feminists really cared about equality, they would provide for the men. [1:05:24] They would what for the men? [1:05:28] Sorry, I missed that. [1:05:30] Sorry, can you repeat that? [1:05:32] If feminists cared about equality, they would provide for the men. [1:05:34] But yet, that is a small minority of women. [1:05:37] Wait, so let me get this straight. [1:05:41] Honestly, your whole shtick is women should bend over backwards and do everything they can for men. [1:05:50] No, I'm- [1:05:51] My argument- [1:05:52] I want- [1:05:53] I'm an egalitarianist. [1:05:55] Hold on, my argument is that men and women are both tremendously important to a functioning society. [1:06:03] They should both be treated with respect. [1:06:06] They both serve different jobs, different roles, and in order for society to work, we have to respect that. [1:06:13] But you seem to put the onus and responsibility of everything onto women [1:06:19] while providing cover. [1:06:21] For the bad behavior of men. [1:06:23] Women are not equally important because they don't do the equal work. [1:06:26] Men are equally important. [1:06:27] I never said that they weren't. [1:06:29] Women are not equally important because they don't do the equal amount of work. [1:06:32] Men have invented the majority of the inventions. [1:06:35] Really? [1:06:36] Men have started Fortune 500 companies. [1:06:38] Men do the majority of the infrastructure job. [1:06:40] Men produce 90% of the- [1:06:43] Who's scrubbing the toilets after work? [1:06:44] 80% of the food supply, 90% of the world's stuff. [1:06:47] Who's changing the diapers? [1:06:49] Not women. [1:06:50] Not women, they're not having kids. [1:06:53] Women aren't having kids, so women aren't doing it. [1:06:56] Daycare workers now, to be honest. [1:06:58] It's not the moms. [1:07:01] Not everyone grew up in an affluent household like you. [1:07:04] They need a dual-income household in order to make ends meet in this economy. [1:07:08] Live in reality for one day in your life. [1:07:10] Anna, you talk for a living? [1:07:12] It's kind of rich for you to come at me. [1:07:14] Bitch, what do you do for a living? [1:07:17] I talk, but I can acknowledge it's not that hard of a job. [1:07:22] Talk a lot of bullshit. [1:07:23] Well, you pretend it's more important than it is. [1:07:26] Right, okay. [1:07:27] Well, since there were only about 30 seconds left, [1:07:32] we'll just call it there. [1:07:33] All right, good job. [1:07:34] Give these debaters a round. [1:07:38] All right, we have five-minute closing statements [1:07:45] where you will not attack each other or call each other names. [1:07:49] Anna, you're first. [1:07:50] I'm just gonna go ahead and read what I couldn't get to in my opening statement, [1:07:54] if you don't mind. [1:07:56] Taking advice from someone like Pearl [1:08:03] will ensure that you will be lonely and incredibly sad. [1:08:08] If you have this dark view of an entire sex, [1:08:13] nearly 50% of the country, [1:08:16] I can't imagine living day to day being a happy person. [1:08:21] I don't know what Pearl actually believes. [1:08:25] Part of me feels like this is a shtick. [1:08:27] But I'm gonna take what you say at face value [1:08:30] and just think you genuinely believe it. [1:08:32] And if you do genuinely believe it, [1:08:34] I actually feel really bad for you. [1:08:37] If you think women in general fit in this weird description [1:08:43] where they're looking to take advantage of people, [1:08:46] where they're looking to rip people off, [1:08:49] where they're looking to get married only to divorce [1:08:52] and steal a man's money, [1:08:54] you live in an alternate universe. [1:08:57] Sometimes divorces are ugly. [1:08:59] Sometimes there are bad women who make things up, [1:09:05] lie about rape, [1:09:06] and there should be consequences for that. [1:09:08] But there aren't. [1:09:09] But the difference between you and me [1:09:11] is that I think the bad behavior of women [1:09:13] deserves consequences [1:09:15] just like the bad behavior of men deserves consequences. [1:09:18] That's what equality is. [1:09:20] What you're advocating for [1:09:22] is a society in which men get away with everything [1:09:25] and women get blamed for everything. [1:09:28] That's it. [1:09:31] I mean, what else am I gonna say? [1:09:33] That was her close. [1:09:35] All right. [1:09:36] I can go? [1:09:38] You might as well. [1:09:39] Jump in there. [1:09:40] Feminists are mainly white, middle-class, female liberals [1:09:44] who have no idea how the real world works [1:09:46] and yet want to advise you on how to live in it. [1:09:49] Let me go through your complaints. [1:09:52] Feminists want control over their bodies. [1:09:54] You win. [1:09:55] You have 12 types of birth control, [1:09:57] and you can actually Uber Eats a Plan B. [1:10:00] You have abortion on demand, [1:10:02] and it states that it's not. [1:10:04] It's simply a weekend trip. [1:10:06] You have aborted an eighth of the world population. [1:10:09] You win. [1:10:10] Feminists wanted to fight against rape culture. [1:10:12] You win. [1:10:13] If a woman is raped, assaulted, [1:10:15] or if she revokes consent after the fact, [1:10:17] she has the power to get a man fired from his job, [1:10:20] kicked out of school, or thrown in jail. [1:10:22] You won, feminists. [1:10:23] Women want to be free of traditional gender roles? [1:10:26] Fine. [1:10:27] Men invented the dishwasher, the Roomba, the air fryer, [1:10:30] fast food, and Uber Eats. [1:10:32] There are meal prep services and cheap restaurants. [1:10:35] You win. [1:10:36] Women wanted to have a career first [1:10:39] and get married later in life. [1:10:41] Men allowed women to come into the workforce [1:10:43] and have millions of dollars in funding, [1:10:45] pushing women into male-dominated fields and scholarships [1:10:48] and invented IVF to give us another five years of fertility. [1:10:52] The husbands pay for the IVF, [1:10:54] and they are pushing to get it taxpayer-funded. [1:10:56] You win. [1:10:58] Women wanted to be sexually liberated instead of getting married? [1:11:01] Men invented Tinder and Hinge, [1:11:03] where random men can literally come to your door. [1:11:06] The men from your hometown are not good enough? [1:11:08] Men invented social media, [1:11:09] so you can get flown out by the highest-status men in the world. [1:11:13] Women did not want to work labor jobs? [1:11:17] Fine. [1:11:18] Men invented social media, [1:11:19] so you can talk into a microphone and get paid. [1:11:21] You can now work from home, [1:11:22] so you can have a family and be a mom. [1:11:24] You can make money selling your nudes on the Internet [1:11:26] and become a billionaire. [1:11:28] Women did not want to give birth? [1:11:29] Fine. [1:11:30] Men invented surrogacy, [1:11:31] so another woman can do it for you. [1:11:33] Women wanted to be thin without working out? [1:11:36] Now you have Ozempic. [1:11:37] You want to look younger? [1:11:38] Fine. [1:11:39] Men invented Botox, hair dye, [1:11:42] filters on your phone, [1:11:44] nose jobs? [1:11:45] Anna knows. [1:11:46] Plastic surgery, [1:11:47] lash extensions, [1:11:48] makeup and AI to make you look thinner. [1:11:51] You win. [1:11:52] You should look into it. [1:11:53] You can now wait until 40 to have a baby, [1:11:56] freeze your face, [1:11:58] work in an air-conditioned office, [1:12:00] earn a living sitting on your ass, [1:12:02] getting fucked, [1:12:03] spending money you don't have, [1:12:05] marry someone to pay it off, [1:12:07] divorce him, [1:12:08] put him on alimony and child support, [1:12:10] get a Roomba, [1:12:11] abort your kid, [1:12:12] have unprotected sex on camera, [1:12:14] get paid for it, [1:12:15] order any cooked food to your door, [1:12:17] get a self-driving car, [1:12:18] and then complain to men [1:12:20] that they caused you to be lazy and fat. [1:12:23] You are now empowered to have 10 abortions, [1:12:25] bang 300 men, [1:12:27] take a DEI position that pays 300k a year, [1:12:30] Uber Eats a Plan B, [1:12:32] study underwater basket weaving, [1:12:34] and get sympathy when your degree pays no money. [1:12:37] Feminists are spoiled, [1:12:40] liberal, progressive women [1:12:41] that have no idea how good they have it. [1:12:43] You guys will never be happy [1:12:45] until men are nothing but empty shells [1:12:48] who are slaves to the system, [1:12:50] fueled by feminist selfishness, [1:12:53] spending habits, and poor choices. [1:12:55] Feminists don't care about equality [1:12:57] because if they did, [1:12:58] there would be equal rights for men. [1:13:00] There would be equal men's shelters. [1:13:02] There would be equal funding for men's cancer. [1:13:04] There would be real equality. [1:13:07] I checked 20 different feminist websites [1:13:10] and have not found one [1:13:11] that mentioned a single issue [1:13:13] that asked for men to be equal. [1:13:15] It only asked for special treatment. [1:13:18] Feminism has empowered women [1:13:20] to destroy this country [1:13:21] through the death of a thousand cuts. [1:13:23] Feminism is not about equality, [1:13:24] it's about insidious domination. [1:13:26] It has been a slow creep [1:13:27] to where women are complaining [1:13:29] about their non-existent oppression. [1:13:31] Men have figured this out [1:13:32] because they're highly adaptive [1:13:33] and the math is not mathing. [1:13:35] I am curious to know, feminist plan, [1:13:37] when men refuse to stop providing, [1:13:39] protecting, and maintaining the civilization [1:13:41] you enjoy corrupting. [1:13:43] Feminists are about to fuck around [1:13:45] and find out. [1:13:46] Feminists have won. [1:13:49] You destroyed every single male group [1:13:51] that used to be strictly for men [1:13:53] like Boy Scouts. [1:13:54] You can falsely accuse men of rape, [1:13:56] harassment, and endless lawsuits. [1:13:58] Feminists have more political power, [1:14:00] voting power, and spending power [1:14:01] than any other group. [1:14:02] Everybody caters to you. [1:14:04] Corporations cater to you [1:14:05] because women are the primary purchasers. [1:14:07] Politicians because they need the vote. [1:14:09] Men have to pay child support to a rapist. [1:14:12] Men are not believed when they're abused. [1:14:14] Men have to die at work and at war. [1:14:16] Men have to pay child support [1:14:17] for 18 to 21 years. [1:14:19] Men have to register in selective service. [1:14:22] Men are not given additional consideration [1:14:24] for college admissions, jobs, [1:14:26] opportunities, and scholarships. [1:14:28] Children are not DNA tested at birth. [1:14:30] Leading to paternity fraud, [1:14:32] which is not prosecuted at all. [1:14:34] And men will more than likely deal with this [1:14:36] in their lifetime. [1:14:37] Men are the majority of the homeless. [1:14:39] Men are the majority of the suicides. [1:14:41] Women can hit men, [1:14:42] and men can't hit back. [1:14:44] Feminism has empowered women [1:14:49] to destroy men, [1:14:50] and congratulations. [1:14:52] 1.6 million men have committed suicide. [1:14:55] What more do you want, Anna? [1:15:00] All right. [1:15:02] That is the debate. [1:15:03] Let's give a big hand [1:15:04] for these two debaters. [1:15:06] Thank you. [1:15:07] All right. [1:15:08] So if you're here in the room, [1:15:10] and also if you're watching online, [1:15:14] of course, [1:15:15] the many tens of thousands of you [1:15:17] who are right now, [1:15:18] you go to wordwarddebate.com, [1:15:22] and that's where you're going [1:15:23] to cast your vote. [1:15:24] And let's get these guys [1:15:25] to shake hands here. [1:15:26] Yep. [1:15:27] Great job. [1:15:28] Great job.