Architectural Review Commission - 09/09/26

I'd like to call the order the September 9th, 2026 public hearing for the City of Tampa's Architectural Review Commission. Welcome, everyone. I'm Dan Myers, Vice Chair of the Commission, in the absence of the Chair. If you are here to present a project, you will have limited time to make your presentation, so we suggest being thorough but concise. When coming to the microphone, you will need to identify yourself and your relationship to the project. The commissioners will not ask any questions during your presentation. Your project should be presented in the following order, site plan, elevations, architectural details, and wall section. Staff will then present their report. We will then ask for public comment. If you are here to speak, please state and spell your name clearly. Your time will be limited to three minutes, so take some time now to summarize your comments, because three minutes goes by very quickly. Following public comment, the commissioners will ask questions in the same order as the presentation. Next, the applicant will have five minutes for rebuttal. The public hearing will then be closed. After the public hearing is closed, no further testimony can be given. The commissioners will then discuss the case and will make their decision based on Chapter 27 of the City Code of Ordinances, the design guidelines, the Secretary of Interior Standards, historic preservation development review committee comments, and the testimony given at the public hearing. The ARC can only act on items that are within our specific jurisdictional responsibility. Owner agents are independently responsible to obtain any appropriate permits and or approvals. If you haven't already done so, please silence all cell phones. I now ask the commissioners to introduce themselves, beginning on my right. Tim Jones, General Contractor and Licensed Building Inspector. Michael Lesnick, Public Policy Seat. Brian Hammond, Architect. John Prokop, I practice architecture. Melanie Ketchum, Attorney Representative. Thank you. Also with us are the staff, Dennis Fernandez, Elaine Lund, Heather Bonds, Jared Varnum, and our attorney, Dana Crosby-Collier. We've done the roll, though. Thank you, Dennis, for announcements. We'll begin with the reading of the minutes from August 3rd and 5th, and we'll need to adopt those by motion. I move to accept the August 3rd and 5th meeting minutes. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you, commissioners, and welcome to this evening's public hearing. I'm Dennis Fernandez, the architecture review and historic preservation manager. I do have just a couple housekeeping issues to deal with. First of all, as you know, we did not hold a hearing last week, so I've kind of shifted all those normal functions to this cycle, and we're a little off of our normal schedule because of Labor Day. We'll resume the first Monday and Wednesday of the month beginning next month. I do have the August ARC staff approvals to enter into the record. We can accept those by motion at the conclusion of the meeting. I did want to take a moment just to welcome our newest commissioner, Dr. Elisnik, who is in our public policy chair. We appreciate you volunteering your time and expertise, and please let us know if you need anything from the staff. Every month we do a little segment called Preservation in Progress where we try to bring you up to speed on some of the preservation projects that are going on in the city. Before I do that, I'll just go back so I don't have a bad segue to our presentation. We do have the 2027 ARC calendar schedule in your packets, and you can take that paper one home if you'd like. We also sent those electronically earlier this week, I believe, or last week. So if you have any questions about that, it's pretty much the same process that we've been doing in previous years, but the days do kind of change a little bit. It looks a little funny to me to see 2027 on there. I don't know if I'm ready for that yet. With that, we can go now to our preservation in progress. And we did feature the fire station number one, which is the original fire station to the city of Tampa, which is now a fire museum and maintained very well by the gentlemen who keep an eye on it, restore it, and program it. We did make that a feature of our Tampa bricks and mortar newsletter this month as well. And Elaine is going to describe one of the most recent projects that's occurred at this local landmark. Elaine? Thank you. Elaine Lund, Historic Preservation Staff. This month's preservation in progress is a look into the current rehabilitation work that's going on at Tampa's fire station number one, also known as the Tampa Firefighters Museum at 720 East Zacks Street. This is one of our local historic landmarks. It's located in downtown Tampa. At the corner of Zach and Jefferson Streets. The 1915 Sanborn map shows the brick two-story fire department headquarters building, which was built in 1911. The notes on the Sanborn map read 13 men, one-knot first-class steamer drawn by tractor, one combination hose and chemical wagon, a thousand-foot two-and-a-half-inch hose, and one hose wagon. The Sanborn insurance maps were for fire insurance companies, so they would, of course, have detailed notes on the sort of fire equipment that the city has available. So this building was designated as a local historic landmark by the city of Tampa in 2002 and dedicated as a museum in 2003, I believe. Tampa's first organized volunteer fire department was founded in 1884 with seven bucket brigades organized to serve the city. In 1895, the city council passed Ordinance No. 307 authorizing Tampa's first professional-paid fire department with 22 firefighters and five stations. The firefighters would work in their stations for 10 to 12 days at a time. Most of them lived near the duty stations, and they were permitted to go home for meals, provided they could return within the hour. The salary was equivalent to that of the police patrol officers, about $600 a year. The first bucket brigades were slowly replaced by hand-operated pumpers that were pulled up to the scene by the firefighters. Fire hydrants and steam engines were introduced to do the work of putting water to the firefighters' hoses. With the introduction of steam engines like these came the requirement of horses to pull the extremely heavy apparatuses. Apparati, I suppose. As the horseless carriage gained popularity, gasoline-powered engines became accepted, and Tampa's fire department followed national trends and replaced the horse-drawn steam engines with state-of-the-art automobiles. With the purchase of these new engines, the larger accommodations were needed for the fire department. So initially, the fire department was housed in a building that was on the site where we are today, from the city hall location. And that building, the 1891 fire department building, was later demolished to make way for the current city hall building that we're in now. However, it was necessary to move the fire department out of the 1891 building and into the new 1911 building, the new fire engines. So additionally, by removing the fire department to the new building at Zach and Jefferson Street, the city government was able to free up more space for the municipal court and jail that were also housed in city hall. So the two-story fire station number one, designed by architect Fred M. Curtis, also served as headquarters for the fire department, with offices for the fire chief on the first floor, along with space for the firefighting equipment. The second story contained the second story contained the dormitory for the fireman's room for the fire chief, the assistant chief and the captain, and laboratories. And the fire, the Tampa Fire Department used this building for its headquarters until the current one was constructed just across the street from there in 1975. So today, um, this building houses the Tampa Firefighter's Museum, and an addition on the north side of the building was built to house the necessary restrooms, mechanicals, and vertical accessibility, um, and a new entrance for this adaptive reuse. The museum offers a view into the past of Tampa's firefighting history with antique engines and, uh, um, other gear on display. The museum also has a new interactive, um, play area for children, and the former fire station also has rentable venues, um, various rentable venue spaces for events such as corporate meetings and children's birthday parties and weddings. Exterior work includes, um, has included restoring the windows and these doors on the, um, the Zach Street side. Um, this is done in compliance with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation, and this was an administratively approved, um, project as well. As it was a rehabilitation project. Uh, this was funded in part by the city's downtown CRA and the Hillsborough County Historic Preservation Challenge Grant. The windows and the entry door, doors, the side lights, and transom included replacing broken glass, repairing rotten wood, and treating it with fungicide, removing the old putty, and reglazing as needed, and restoring the hardware. And you can read more about this rehabilitation project in this month's Tampa bricks and mortar. Thank you, Elaine. Uh, we're very fortunate to have a number of historic fire stations in the city still mainly within obviously the older neighborhoods, uh, within our historic districts as well. Um, this is an excellent, excellent example of an early fire station. If you get an opportunity, definitely take yourselves, uh, through the fire station and enjoy the exhibits that they've worked very hard on. And with that, we'll move on, uh, through our agenda. The next is disclosure of, uh, conflicts of interest in ex parte communication, and our legal counsel will lead that discussion. Thank you. Good evening. Dana Crosby Collier from the legal department. We'd like to inquire if any member of the commission has a conflict of interest with any item on the agenda this evening. I do not. I have not. I do in relation to city of Tampa plant hall as I'm an employee of the university of Tampa, but it appears that that is not going to be on the agenda. Yes, ma'am. It will not be heard tonight. Thank you very much. And, um, has any member engaged in any ex parte communication regarding any item on the agenda tonight? I have not. I have not. Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh, we do not have any continuations this evening to act upon, so we can go straight to our swearing. Uh, anyone in the audience who's going to be presenting this evening or providing any type of comment, if you could please stand and raise your right hand and Mr. Jared will, um, swear you in. And with that, we're ready for our first case. Which is an ad valorem tax exemption review and Heather will present it. Good evening. Heather Bonds, historic preservation specialist. Uh, tonight we are reviewing ARC tax dash 26 dash 000004 for 909 South Dakota Avenue. This is a request for a recommendation to city council on an ad valorem tax exemption, um, for part two post rehabilitation. This request is a historic property ad valorem tax exemption. This is a positive program that stimulates the revitalization of historic properties, helps ease the burden of maintaining these properties. Eligible properties are either designated local landmarks or properties within a local historic district. The applications are either reviewed by the BLC or the ARC. Tonight, in this case, the ARC. The site is located mid block on the west side of South Dakota Avenue between West Morris and West Walters Avenues. This is from the 1929 Sanborn map. You can see here that it is a wood frame structure indicated with the yellow with a corner wrapped porch. It is two stories. There was an accessory structure there, which has, um, since been demolished and replaced. Um, it is a contributing structure to the Hyde Park historic district. And this structure was built in 1907 in the frame vernacular style. It has wood siding, double hung windows, and is on brick piers. As a part two post rehabilitation application, the requirements are that the projects approved have been completed and are reviewed by the standards of the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation. The part two must adhere to the approval of the part one application and the applicant shall review any deviations to those approvals. Here are the associated cases with this project, including ARC Tax-24-0001, which this board approved for the part one application. And with that, I'd like to invite the applicant up to present the part two post rehabilitation request. Good evening, Commissioners. Uh, Jim Lloyd with Lloyd Craftsman. Um, the contractor and representative for the homeowners, uh, Kim and Andrew Cox. Uh, we were tasked with the process of restoring the old Tanner House at 909 South Dakota Avenue. They were, uh, you know, owners of Tanner Paints live in the home for 50 to 60 years, I think. They've been there, they were there for a long time. Um, the project needed some, some renovation. Um, you'll see from the, the, uh, photos, I've got some of the original, uh, pictures that we submitted on part one, um, of what the, the home looked like originally. So we'll do a little comparison of what, uh, was there originally and then what we did. You'll kind of see what the renovation looks like. We were able to restore a lot of the old historical stuff. So this is the, that's the original, uh, front of the property, uh, the front porch, uh, going into the house. And then this is the revised, uh, completed version. Um, wood flooring was replaced on the front porch. It was deteriorated, uh, the ceilings, the, uh, beadboard ceilings we replaced. Um, front door was, uh, restored. Um, the transom on the front, over the front door is an operational transom now. And there was a lot of, uh, wood rot in the, uh, on the railings that we replaced, um, same size, dimension, just with new treated wood to hopefully keep it and make it last for another hundred years. Rear, uh, of that front porch that was open for whatever reason, didn't have a railing there. Not sure why, um, was a safety hazard. So just put a little swing on the front porch too, which you can see behind there that we added the, uh, same detail railing in for the rear of that, uh, porch. We created that here at the home before we started. Um, there was a tree that was kind of, you can see that tree there was kind of undermining one of the, uh, piers that was there that we ended up replacing. And then we added a, uh, and then you can see that there was a sleeping porch, uh, in there originally that we created. We, uh, made living space and then, uh, added a new rear porch again with the same, uh, railing style that was on the front porch. But this, this porch is subordinate to the existing front porch. The front porch was 10 feet wide. This porch is eight feet wide. Uh, columns on the front porch were 10 inches diameter. We did eight inch diameter, again, subordinate, uh, on the rear porch. And then you can see, um, this was just a small, uh, mudroom and, uh, master closet addition that we did on the house. That was really the only footprint change, uh, other than adding the back porch that we did. These are some of the original windows. Uh, there were several of them that were in the house that we were able to reuse and restore. Um, there were a couple windows that we took out in doing that addition on the rear of the house that we were able to take sashes out of and reuse again. I actually had a couple of sashes that happened to be the same size in my stock that I was able to replace the windows with. All the original wavy glass was there. The addition obviously has some new windows in it, but everything that was part of the original property had, um, uh, the original building had, um, all the original windows put back with all the wavy glass in it. Um, there was a lot of rehab that we did on over time. The, you know, the home was repainted a bunch of times and had, you know, paint that was sticking out from the glazing. So we cleaned all that stuff off and cleaned it up nice and, uh, so the windows all operate now as well. The photo of, we called it the door to nowhere. There was a door on the second floor that went out onto a porch that was not very well waterproofed and there was no, uh, there was no railing. So there was no need for that. Um, homeowners didn't have any desire to keep that in there. So we took that out and then had another window that we took out of another area in the house that was one of the original windows and built the roof back up. Just continued that hip up to the, to the corner and, uh, put a new window in. Um, the, the door, if you see the, the windows, all the windows engage with the, with the freeze board, this door was lower. So it just didn't, it just didn't look right. So this new window, you know, engages with the freeze just like the rest of the windows around the house. This is the second floor looking out at that, uh, old door, original door location. And you can see some of the, some of the old wood flooring that was in there that we actually were able to pull out from the second, but the second floor was pretty trashed. So we ended up, we were able to pull that out and we used that for patching and stuff on the first floor. Um, this is the new window location from the inside. You can see it matches the detail and all the, the other windows in that space. Had all the original, uh, Dolly Varden siding, uh, but it was in pretty rough condition. So we spent a lot of time restoring and obviously, you know, that siding too is, is a siding that we can get these days. We get, you know, North Rim Lumber makes the same siding. So we were able to reinstall that. So you can't tell where we did any of the repairs or where the addition was. Um, this section in the back here by the, um, AC unit was especially bad cause there were no gutters on the house originally. So all the water came off of this valley and landed on it. And there was a lot of damage to that window and the upstairs window as well that we were able to, um, restore and replace those. So this is another shot of the, so this is the, this is the first floor, um, hard pine, which that was, a lot of that was, was restorable. And then like I said, some of the stuff that we were able to pull off the second floor, um, we used, so this is the second floor. So we were able to pull this out and use that downstairs for repairs. That's another shot of it. So you can see that there was a lot of termite damage and patch and stuff that we, uh, so there was no way to, um, to replace that without a significant expense. So this is, uh, in the foyer downstairs with the new patched in, uh, cart pine. And then this was the, this is what we ended up doing was this was oak upstairs, um, new oak that we installed, which was typical, um, of these homes back in the day. They did actually have pine downstairs and oak upstairs just for cost purposes, I guess, from what they did back in the day. There's another shot of where the transition was. So this is between, there was, there was a wall here before. So this is between the, um, the living room and the kitchen area. And we turned a board sideways and then put a new, you know, had some new heart pine that we bought and tied some of that in with some of the old stuff. So we turned that board sideways just cause everything wasn't going to weave properly. Um, but the, it's all staying the same and it looks great. This was the really cool, uh, stair detail when you walk in the front door with the, you know, mill posts, you know, railings, all this wood detail, the, the bench, the wood bench that was there. Details that we definitely wanted to try to save. And then this is it after. So again, kept the bench, um, kept the stained mill posts. Clients did, you know, stained treads with the carpet running on there. Another shot of the original. The, uh, the clients, uh, elected to build another set of stairs up to the attic space that wasn't getting used to create a third floor for additional living space. So this was the, this was what the original, uh, second floor overhang looked like. Set of stairs. You can tell, you know, you can see we did, we didn't do the paneling, but we still did the large freeze boards on the stairs and had the, um, the new posts remade. Uh, balusters I had turned to match what was on the original first floor. There was another one that was going up. That's the door going up into the attic there. There were some, uh, pocket doors that were in the living room. This is, this is the, actually, this is the foyer going into the sitting room, I guess you want to call it. Um, those were kept and those were got restored. All the hardware got restored. Um, we did have to, um, make a couple of doors. This was, uh, these are doors going out into the, what used to be the old, um, sleeping porch that's now the breakfast nook. So I had, these were the only doors that ended up having to make to match the existing style of the doors that were in the house. So those, those got remade with the same specifications of what the original doors were. It was, uh, originally the sitting room fireplace. That, uh, this mantle actually was not original to the house. The homeowners had actually found that. Um, and this is what it looked like after. So we put, um, we put the, we installed that old mantle that they had purchased. I think they might've gotten it from Shillers. Um, on that, over that fireplace and then put a mirror in it, which is kind of similar to what was in there originally. Uh, these are some of the original trim details. So this is all the same, the plinth blocks, the baseboard, the casing, everything. We either reused or we remade that same detail. Just showing the casing around the windows. And that's some of the old doors. So you'll see that that, you know, that matches the same style as what was on the, the doors that we had made. This is one of the bedrooms upstairs. Um, the homeowners elected to keep the, um, that was the chimney coming from the kitchen area up through the wall. And they actually wanted to keep some of that exposed so that you could see some of the old brick. I thought that was kind of a neat little detail there. Um, we flipped the, one of the doors, this door was actually in the bedroom behind it. And we flipped this door over to give two closets in this particular bedroom. Um, again, just, you know, very similar details to what was on the original house. It was the transom window that was on the stairs. Uh, the, the wood that was a part of that transom was shot. I mean, there was just no way to, to save that. So I ended up having the glass pulled out. And I had my leaded glass guy make, he used the same glass that was in that original window. And we made it into a leaded glass window. So it's still that same look, just a little bit thinner muttons. This shows, um, again, some of the trim details. But all these, uh, transom window mechanisms were, there was probably five or six of them, seven of them, that were in the existing house that we took down, finished, painted with a little blue, uh, stuff to kind of antique them a little bit. Um, there was, I think, one set, maybe one or two sets that I ended up having to find at Schiller's, which I actually did. So those are all restored, all the transoms operate the way that they would have originally. This was a, this was a shot of the kitchen that was in the house when the homeowners bought it. Um, that was off of that sleeping porch. But obviously you can see that's not an original kitchen either. That was probably something done in the sixties or seventies. Um, so the, that wall, that front wall was removed. And then this is now the new kitchen that we, and you can see, again, some of the flooring details. Uh, trim stuff, you know, crown molding that was similar to what was there. This was the original hall bathroom that had a clawfoot tub in it that we removed and repurposed in the master bath. It's that same space now. So what we, what we did on this, you'll see that this window is still existing from the outside. This still, this window is, is a full window, but from, but we took a, uh, we put a piece of black plywood on the bottom and covered it up to make it look like it was, you know, still a window from exterior. But then we didn't have any water issues with it being a, you know, a full window inside the shower. So that's, that's actually an original window. So let me show you a picture of the, this is the master bath. So we reused the clawfoot tub in that bathroom, had that restored. I just had a couple of pictures of the, uh, just some of the paint repair. Like there was some plaster ceiling repair and stuff that we did that the timing was good. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. All right. As mentioned, our standards for review for an ad valorem are the secretary of the interior standards for rehabilitation. Staff's finding is that this application is consistent with the secretary of interior standards for rehabilitation. And so tonight the ARC is, um, asked to make a determination to make a recommend, a recommendation to city council, whether to approve a historic preservation tax ad valorem, um, tax exemption for the property at 909 South Dakota Avenue. And I'm here for any questions. Questions. Uh, are there any, is there any public comment? Seeing none. Are there any questions from commission? Uh, applicant. Part of your original part one. Did you have a, a material specified for the back porch? Was it specified as brick or was it? I don't think it was specified on the original submittal. Okay. Um, and then upstairs, you said you switched the floors from heart pine to Oak. Was that part of, was that part of the original part one as well? Yeah. We knew that the upstairs was pretty far gone, that there wasn't any ability to save it. Um, and the cost of doing a heart pine, you know, floor these, I mean, the heart pine is, you know, 15, 20 bucks a square foot. These days. So it was a, more of a cost situation to decide on putting the Oak upstairs. But was that, was that presented in your part one application? I believe, I believe it was on there. Yes, sir. Okay. That's all the questions I had. By the way, beautiful project. Thank you. Appreciate it. Is there applicant, is there any, um, like a list of things that you did differently than were approved in the part one application? Do you have a list of those items? No, because I don't, I don't, in my opinion, if my recollection, I mean, unfortunately it was like a year and a half or two years ago that we were here. Right. Um, I mean, to my recollection, uh, I don't think we changed anything from what we were originally proposing to do. Cause the initial presentation is normally just showing what was existing in the home and then talking about what the plan is to, you know, to keep the materials, which, which we, which we did. Um, so I don't, as far as I can recall, I don't think we deviated from anything that we had submitted originally. Okay. Hi, it's beautiful. Thank you. Um, I do remember the discussion about the upstairs, um, flooring and it being used for downstairs because it was so, um, not in great shape and that you were going to use it to patch it downstairs. So I do remember that. I do remember that you were going to make all the transom windows be able to operate that you were putting in the staircase. So all that looked beautiful. Um, the one question I have is, was, um, the flooring and the two bathrooms, was that part also? Cause one had like, it looked like maybe the penny tile, the upstairs that now is more like a basket weave tile. The, so the, the two bathrooms, the bathrooms that were existing in the home were not original bathrooms. Okay. So the only thing that was original to that one bathroom was that clawfoot tub that we were able to reuse again. But other than that, the, the rest of the, none of the flooring was. So the wood flooring and the one downstairs wasn't original either? The downstairs, uh, there's a, there's a. Or the one that the clawfoot tub was in originally? That was not original flooring. No. Okay. I think, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the, the, where the master bath is now is, um, was actually one of the old bed, one of the original bedrooms. So. Okay. Yeah. So that's, which is a tile floor now and not the hardwood floor. Okay. Okay. All right. I think that's all I had. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'd just like to remark on your choice of color, although it is outside our purview. Um, it was very fashionable for these things to be painted up. Um, so I can see that, uh, this perhaps truer to its original coloration now than it was when you got it. Um, so having said that, uh, may I hear a, uh, um, motion to recommend to city council? Uh, what? Oh, oh, sorry. I'm all set. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. You can do it. Okay. Uh, motion moved to approve the ad valorem tax exemption application part two for the plans presented to public hearing the case number, ARC dash tax dash, where did it go? 26.000004 for the property located at 909 South Dakota Avenue for the rehabilitation property because facts in the record proposed project is consistent with the secretary's intelligent standards and rehabilitation guidelines for the rehabilitation of historic buildings. Uh, move to recommend. Is that right? That's it. Okay. Fine. I'm done. I'll second. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Commissioners Elaine Lund, historic preservation staff. Moving down the agenda. Um, the next item that was on our agenda this evening is, um, not going to be heard tonight due to a misnotice. Moving to, uh, page three of the agenda, ARC 26 dash 0000379 for the property located at 5804 North Cherokee Avenue. Um, this is an application for new construction in the Seminole Heights historic district. Cherokee Avenue is the block, uh, that runs north-south closest to interstate 275. And, um, the particular block that we'll be looking at for this case and, um, the following one, um, the 5800 block is located between Henry Avenue and Clifton Street. Um, both of these applications are cited on the west side of Cherokee Avenue. Moving through the photo presentations, our Seminole Heights historic district map with the, uh, properties, the subject site for the first application at 5804 North Cherokee Avenue shown in green. And then this is the aerial map of the historic district showing the outline of the, um, subject site in green. This is our most recent aerial, uh, photograph that we have of the area, 2025. And then this is our 1920s Sanborn map, um, of the same area. You can see that there was nothing on this particular block at the time. Again, the, uh, subject sites shown in green. Um, the, uh, property itself is currently vacant. Uh, this was a, move to the next picture here. And this is the property directly to the north. Uh, this particular, um, site was formerly a very large, very wide, um, parcel that consisted of three platted lots. So we'll be looking first for 58 of four North Cherokee Avenue at the lot that's directed to the south of the existing historic structure. And then we'll, uh, come back and look at the property on the other side of this. So this is a, uh, the one contributing building along this, uh, side of the block, uh, constructed in 1928. It's a property directed to the south. We're looking at the side of it as it faces, uh, the side street there. And then looking across the street to the east. This is another non-contributing building in, uh, this part of the historic district. North on Cherokee Avenue. So, um, we're looking toward Clifton Street. That's Clifton off in the distance there. I'm looking south on Cherokee toward Henry Avenue. And then this is the alley that runs behind the, uh, the subject site. Here we are looking north in the alley. So the subject site would be to your right. And then looking south in the alley. So the subject sites, uh, to your left there. And then at this time, I would like to, um, go ahead and ask the applicant to come forward and present the request. Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Hello. My name is Kevin Robles and I'm the agent, um, for the owner on this, uh, first property. As Elaine had, uh, indicated to you, we'll actually, uh, be doing two ARCs this evening. A lot to the south and a lot to the north. So there will be some repetitiveness to some of the details. So bear with me. I can go start with you. So, um, we'll go ahead and get started in first the site plan. There, um, is the existing structure, which sits totally into the, uh, center lot of this three lot parcels, um, the, uh, current setback. And I think what I would like to do is, um, if you will bear with me, because as it relates to the block face, there are the two proposed structure, the existing structure. And then when we get to the second, you get to the second hearing of the second case, the structure to the north, um, there is, uh, some, some, um, consideration to the structure to the north with an enclosed porch. But if I, if I only speak of these two at this, at this moment, you have a, you have a, um, front setback to the main body of the house of 24.60, the, the, or excuse me, the existing house, the proposed house is at 2229 with the, uh, allowed porch in the front and, uh, taking up the, uh, space within that front setback area and a full open porch on the front. You have a side setback on this side of eight and a half feet and a side second side setback on this side of seven feet. Um, this will have a detached garage on it using the alley that Elaine presented earlier. Um, with the, uh, 12, 10 foot alley, and then you have a driveway of 14 feet, which will give you a total of 24 feet, which should accommodate the turning radius for, uh, vehicular access into the 20 by 20 foot garage. There is a, there was a large 41 inch laurel oak in, uh, poor shape, which was actually owned by the adjoining property owner to the south. That tree has since been removed under the state statute with, um, uh, natural resources being aware and approving of the removal of that 42 inch laurel oak. I believe that the condition was, um, a C 10, I believe if I correct. And I did bring the natural resource report if, uh, if, uh, the board should want to review that. The elevation on this is set at 37.37 feet. And your lowest point of the street is at 35, 35, 35, 35, 35, which gives you a 24 inch, um, finished floor from, uh, lowest point of crown of the road. So this is a single story structure. The first thing I'm going to do is take you through the elevations and I have a, I have a, um, a virtual, a virtual, uh, depiction of the elevation, which, um, I'm going to provide to the board. So give you a little better idea. This is the front facing elevation. Um, in discussion with HP, we've had a couple of, a couple of changes that both, uh, ourselves and HP, um, agree with, and that we're more than willing to do. This has a, this has a rail and banister system in the front. We have now changed that to a seat rail. This is the front wall section with the, uh, column base and tapered column. And what you are looking at here is a, is a generated, um, virtual, uh, photo of what the house will look like. One note to take on this is that, uh, historic preservation has recommended that we remove these half columns on the corner and we're fine with that. Additionally, you will see, um, that, that, uh, banister and, and balusters being removed. And now there is a, a four by six inch seat rail around four sides of the full porch. This is, uh, facing east for the front view of the house. This is the west elevation of the house or the rear of the house. This has a, um, a full, a full one light door on the back. And additionally, um, these are, these are four by four columns with a very petite, small, uh, cap and, and base at the top. Additionally, the porch has a, a slight, uh, the rear porch has a slight indent here, um, to sort of delineate where that porch sits on the backside of the house. There is a wall section of the rear lanai and this concrete block house with a, um, sliding, uh, direct nail sliding over. And this, uh, does have a, uh, four inch step down. This is the north side of the house, view of the house. And if you will note, and I apologize for the fake bushes in the way, these, these half columns, which are not structural, uh, will be removed, um, by agreement between, um, historic preservation and, uh, the applicant as well, that those columns can come out. There is the drawing of the side and this a little easier to, to denote here. This, this half column will come out, seat rail here, seat rail around four sides of the, of the front porch. And then the back rail has, the back porch has no railing on it. Additionally, there is one item. We had originally proposed a rusticated block, uh, stem wall on this. Due to the, uh, uh, unavailability of the rusticated block, uh, we're requesting that we be able to switch this to a smooth sand, a smooth sand finished stucco. And that smooth sand finished stucco is depicted on this, uh, virtual photo as well. Um, this, this, this wall, this wall indicator has a starter strip and then your, uh, shiplap siding throughout all open tail rafters on all four sides. Here is the detail. As I said, this, this house is all, uh, construct CMU with siding. Um, this has a, a PGT, uh, 5,100 hurricane, uh, uh, hurricane impact windows on, on, on this house. Uh, it's set in at a four inch inset. And then there is the trim detail, which, uh, is articulated here. And all the windows have the same exact detail. Additionally, there is a, a, um, uh, detached garage. And I am going to present that. It has a pair of single garage doors. The, uh, trim, uh, separate, separating the two, uh, single overhead garage doors. Um, and my apologies to the board. This is actually because it's a rear load garage. That is the, the, the, the rear prop against the alley or the west elevation. The east elevation of the two car detached garage. The north elevation of the two car garage. Open tail rafters there as well. The south elevation of the two car garage. This, um, door that is depicted. And I, and I apologize. It doesn't, with the dark color, it doesn't, doesn't show as well. But this will be a craftsman style door to compliment the front door with the, with the one third light at the top. Um, this has, this house has a six and 12 pitch roof, both the house and the garage. And, uh, we'll use a, uh, timberline, um, full dimensional asphalt shingle. Um, colors have yet to be selected. Um, that the color that you see on the, on the virtual photos are, is not necessarily that the color, color that the house will wind up. Um, here is a better depiction of the front door with the third light at the top. With a, with a, uh, three light effect at the top to match the PGT three over one windows along the entire outside of the main house as well as the detached garage. A black iron hardware set. It's pretty straightforward, pretty simple. All the lighting will be in a black iron. The PGT window is a, excuse me, is an impact hurricane, uh, rated window. Um, I apologize, but they don't make a three and one for a photo for the picture. But what you see in the articulated in the building plans as well as the virtual art will be a, uh, three panel style over one. All the, all the open tail rafters, front porch, rear porch, and all of the open tail rafters on the detached garage will be a half inch, uh, paint grade, uh, bead board. The garage, overhead garage doors themselves is this style right here. Um, it will not have the windows in it. Both of the single car overhead, single car overhead garage doors will come with a full hardware kit set up, um, very similar to the way that this picture depicts. Nice there. And one last detail. This is the window detail with shiplap siding. And it has a, uh, header at the, it has a header at the top with a ledge there, uh, quarter round underneath the one and a half by three foot, um, sill. And the windows are set midpoint in the midpoint of the block wall. Remember the whole house is blocked all the way around. And that concludes my presentation on that one. And I'm more than happy to answer any questions that the board may have. Commissioners Elaine Lund historic preservation staff, um, gonna give the staff report here. Staff found this application to be consistent with conditions with the, uh, the Semino Heights design guidelines. Um, I do have a image up on my screen if we can share that with the commissioners, please. Um, a prison. Okay, great. Um, so one of the things that we talked about when citing, uh, historic, citing new construction in the historic districts are the, um, setbacks and the rhythm along the block. Um, I understand that we have not looked at the second application of 5808 North Cherokee. Yeah, but for, um, this project at 5804 North Cherokee Avenue, we are looking here at taking references for the citing from, um, citing from the existing historic structure that's on the block. So as I said, there's one contributing building on this block base. Um, the others were constructed around 1941, which is just outside the period of significance for Seminole Heights. But, um, I wanted to give you this illustration. I've got to show you, um, how we, at the staff level, look at the, how, um, buildings should be lining with brick building. Also kind of to provide you some explanation on how the, um, how, uh, setbacks or rather the build-to lines are determined in the Seminole Heights area and generally even outside the historic district. So, um, Seminole Heights is a little different from the rest of the city of Tampa in that there is a build-to line for the front, uh, front and side street setbacks. What they're looking at for the build-to line, what zoning is looking at for the build-to line is to have average out with the buildings on either side. Uh, in the case of 5804, we don't have a building to the south that faces Cherokee. So there's not really a great front yard comparison on the south side, but on the north side, we do see, um, where the build-to line is. It's the distance from the, by definition in our code, the distance from the front property line to the front wall of the building. So that's, um, gives you the point of reference for where the, where the front of the building should be, uh, situated. Um, we also see that this house has, um, this historic house here has an sort of inset front porch, and that is not dissimilar to the proposed, uh, project here, which has the porch under the same roof as the main body of the house as well. So I just wanted to share this with you, and, um, that's one of the, uh, one of the siting criteria for, uh, new construction that we look at historic districts. Um, also as well, we look at the elevation from grade. I believe that, uh, that was covered in the presentation, and I don't have any additional points that I feel need to be really, um, detailed here. But there, if you have questions about any of the, uh, details, then, um, I suggest that maybe some of the materials would just be clarified. And, uh, with that, I'm available if you have any questions, thank you. Thank you, Elaine. All right. I'll start with questions from, uh, public comment. Sorry. Seeing none. Ah, excuse me, sir. Yeah. If you would come up to the dais. Name is Jim Paschal. Can you tell me this word over? Jim Paschal. I live at 5811 North Cherokee across the street. The only thing in the presentation I have had a little problem with is I understand the setback on the side that the large, um, tree had to be removed. It's been topped. It hasn't been removed. There's still about a 10 foot section, 42, 42 inches wide still left there. So I don't know if that makes any difference or not, but just providing the information. Thank you. I can speak to that if you want. I can, I can speak. That's going to be removed on the site work. It was just topped for now with the fence that was there just to help the folks out. He can only remove the part. They couldn't access the property to be unloaded and they were able to just get the top off it. That will be removed. Yeah. Can you state your name, sir, please? That's one. What's that? Can you please state your name? I've been sworn, uh, just letting the folks know that, that the trees are asking about the neighbor took out that rest is going to be removed. We've, we've given, given that owner permission. Once we own the property to go in and take care of that and spruce that up, but I appreciate him coming to mention that though. Sorry about that. The ISO out there. Thank you. Both of you. Any further public help? Okay. No further public comment. All right. So now we will take commissioner. We'll take commissioner questions. Um, do you know what the average setback? On the, on that street is with all the homes that contributed homes. Do you know what the average setback is on that street? Um, yes. And yes. And no. So the, the, the structure to the north, which is a contributing structure has an enclosed. We've got that here. It's 20. Yeah. It's 24 and a half, roughly 24 60. Yeah. I'm pretty, again, Fred Henry domain homes have been sworn. The property to the north. Uh, that was, that Elaine mentioned. We did capture that property on the setback and really, um, I've discussed with urban design about that setback. It's a finished enclosed porch on 1941 house. Really? We weren't, we want to handle that whatever you way you wanted. Um, it originally was an open porch. The property appraiser has, we have a copy shows finished enclosed porch. We can observe the setback of the facade, but we didn't know how you felt about ignoring the, should we ignore the enclosed front porch? We know it's a front porch or should we treat it like the front of a house? So we really defer to the, to y'all folks about that because we, we have room to do whatever with that. That's not the problem at all. Excuse me. If you could put up this, the site plan for the new construction. Sure. Kevin's got it right here. The property to the north. I've got a copy of also to show that setback. We did capture that. Our surveyors did. It's shown, it's shown on that site plan at 24.6. Sure. And here's just for, just for reference, this, the one to the north has got the, the setback shown to the enclosed front porch at, um, 21, five, seven to the front of, to the front. I'm sorry, Kevin. I can't see that. Ah, here we go. 1821 to the enclosed front porch. The porch is nine feet deep so we can push it to the facade and still bring our house back to comply or inset to comply. If we don't observe the enclosed front porch, really depends how you want to treat that structure. And I'll defer to historic or you folks for some guidance on that. What, what address is this that you're showing us right now? This, the enclosed front porch is the neighbors, uh, to the north at 5810. Okay. And you can see in the picture that we have here, the Miami windows. I went back as far as 2007 on Google street view. It's been enclosed for quite some time. Yeah. Um, and you'll see in the picture also just for reference on Kevin mentioned the 24 inches. We picked it up on the houses there. And this house has got three concrete or CM uses 24 inches, the same with the existing structure. So we average it at 24 inches. Okay. Abutting great. So real quick, is that the house that the tree is next? No, man. That's to the south. That's the one patient Henry. Okay. And, uh, yeah, we're going to work with them in there and they have some, uh, some animals. They didn't want to get loose with your fence. And we're going to, we're going to coordinate effort with them to get that out of there and safely remove it. Cause it's, it's underneath the corner of their house. Actually, that tree, it was there. Can you go back to your site plan, please? Okay. Now we're back to you. Yep. What is, what is, what is your separation between your accessory structure and your main structure? Um, per the city requirement, uh, sir, we have got shown on here 10.02. You'll see a, a, a bold, a bold arrow. Kevin can point it out on the overhead there. No, I believe he's asking the separation between the, the detached garage and the rear. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Between the accessory structure. Yeah. Uh, six, uh, 6.27. Can you show me? Okay. I see. Okay. Thank you. And I was, uh, I thought you meant the carport in the existing house there. Sorry about that. Yeah. So, uh, do we have any screening called out for our mechanical systems there? It looks like we have a line drawn by. We do. Yeah. There's a vegetative buffer line there on the south side. Uh, proposed vegetative buffer to build room and maintain three feet setback for AC. So, per historic guides, we're going to put vegetative buffer around that AC. Okay. Uh, any fences? Fences. No fences. Fences with the, I've heard of the homeowner and historic for that down the road. Okay. Your back porch, you have just noted as a, as a concrete, you're going to paint that, I assume. Is that going to be finished? Uh, yes. Normally it will have an acrylic, an acrylic texture and a, and a color that's harmonious with the, whatever the final exterior. So I didn't see on your planes that you had any gutters or downspouts. How are you going to control the water off of, off your site there? Uh, so, um, we, what we typically do is at the time of permitting, we don't show any on the house. We use yard drains and collectors and kind of do soft swales into a, into a catch yard drain. So your intention is not to have any gutters or downspouts? Our intention is not to have gutters. Okay. On your, one of your elevations, it showed that your siding was a hardy, uh, siding. Is it a lap siding or a ship, ship lap? It's a ship lap, seven and a quarter inch smooth. I'm sorry. What was the, what was the exposure on it? Seven and a quarter. Seven and a quarter. I apologize. It's seven and a half inches. I think it gives you a net six inch exposure exposed. Okay. Um, your garage and the rear door in the home, you showed us a front door material. Uh, the rear door and the garage door. Do you have any examples of, for your material pallet to show us on those or no? The, I'm sorry. Say again. Are you, you showed us, you showed us an example of your front door with your craftsman style. Do you have an example of your rear door and your garage door? Um, I have the, the pedestrian door or the overhead door? The pedestrian door. The pedestrian door. The pedestrian door. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yes. Uh, no, I don't. And I, and I apologize, but typically what we do is that's an eight Oh at the front or it's an eight Oh at the front. We wind up with a six eight with a very complimentary third light kind of third light with the, with the craftsman style. Okay. On the. Yes. Which is not articulated in the building plans, but I articulated it in the drawing and I apologize. It doesn't come off very, um, because of the dark color. This, this AI stuff's not quite perfect yet, but I understand that. So if you could, you can just barely see it. You have a, you have a, uh, a light at the top, which would be probably a three, three light, which should, should be in, in a compliment with the front door, which is an eight Oh door with a three light at the top third of the door. And in your, and in your rear door, you're showing is a, is a single full light on your on the rear, on the rear one on the rear patty on the rear porch. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's okay. Uh, and then I'm sorry. I didn't notice on your window. No, you're fine. You can take this away on your window trim detail. Did you call out a material for that? I did. It's five quarters party. It's hardy. Okay. Yes. That's all I got for now. The front elevation, the line drawing that you showed. Yes, sir. You had a markup, but you didn't talk about it, uh, that the brick was going all the way down to grade, but your other drawings nor the renderings weren't showing that what's which is which. So yeah, I apologize. So, um, bear with me one sec. This brick will extend on these columns will extend all the way down to grade. And that is on the drawing it just to kind of give you perspective. This will go all the way down. You stop at the welcome wall at the top of the welcome wall here, which is two feet deep. And they extend all the way down. These two, uh, rear columns, half columns come out completely. Okay. That was my only question. Uh, my only question was what, what are the pedestrian and garage doors made of? Fiber glass. Okay. The textured fiber glass. So can you speak to the stucco band on the bottom on the sides of the house? Correct. That is so, so there it's a, it's a, a CMU stem wall foundation filled foundation. The exterior will have a smooth sand stucco finish around the bottom with a one by two starter strip at the, at the, at the base of the siding and then your shiplap siding from there. Are there other homes that have that in this district that have that band like that? The starter strip or the stucco? The stucco. That's a very typical application. Yes. Let me rephrase when you do, when you do a, um, a CMU stem wall construction, then you, you finish it that way. We have in the past done the faux piers. Um, it really doesn't translate very well, you know, at the street level, it just, it appears faux so we have gone to a smooth sand finish with a, with a typically with some sort of contrasting paint color at the bottom. Okay. So this question is for staff. Were there any issues with it? Just to me, it just looked a little out of place, but, but y'all would know better than I as to whether or not it matches the historic. I, Elaine Lund historic preservation staff, that's not a detail you would see on a historic house. Of course. I cannot recall off the top of my head if that was included on the most recent project that, um, this company brought forward. The latest one we did in Swanee, that's the detail in Swanee. So, um, I would be interested in seeing how it comes out, but at the same time, um, we're open to working through it. Okay. And I guess the other question I had was the, I noticed that the, the accessory structure just looks kind of from the house to it. There's no window. There's no, you just see this wall. You get the prize today. You just see this wall. It could have a window in it and we're more than willing to put a window in it. The problem we have with garages is that they can go in four different positions. Right? So they're really a lot specific to, you know, where does the pedestrian door empty out to go to the back of the house? Right, right. And then what is the view? And then sometimes we have a front load, we have a detached rear of the property front load garage. And then sometimes it turns to the alley. So my apologies. We're more than happy to put a window in there, but good catch. So what, what is at, what's at the house? Cause the house has a window there, right? Yes. Bear with me one second. I'll, I'll kind of walk you through it a little bit too. So this is the back of the main house, right? Yeah. Okay. And then this is the side of the garage. And what I believe that you are speaking to is this is really what faces the house. Correct. And this should have a window right there. Okay. In the middle. Okay. And we're more than happy to put the window in there. Okay. And then my final question is where the air conditioning unit is going on the side of the house. Where does that read to the neighbor's house? Do you know what's next to that? So I'll, I'll, I'll walk you through that a bit. Um, the, um, the neighbor's house, uh, this is their, um, Fred, what is that on the side? Is that the rear one story kind of straddles the house? Um, right. Yeah. You can see it right there. It's, it's, it's, it's basically west of their house and it is 3.30 feet off of the property line. Their house is close to the property line. And this is the corner of their house right there where I'm pointing. And then here is, here, here is the equipment and your side setback is eight and a half feet. Hmm. Ours is eight and a half. Their, their house is two feet off the property line. So, so they're four there. They're close. Seven feet away. But they're not next to the AC, which is, we're thankful for that. So was there any thought, it may not be possible. Was there any thought of moving it? And I, I'm not sure I really like this either, but moving it to the other side up to closer to the carport of the other home? It could. Bear with me one second. I'll answer your question. Um, like I know why you put it towards the back cause it looks better. We have enough room. Yeah. It could go there. I think if I'm here, if I'm following your logic is putting that AC unit near the port of the chair or carport. And so it's not so obtrusive to a, to a living area of a house. Right. Or to, if there's a bedroom there or understood. I don't have a problem doing it. That'll be a point of discussion. I'll ask the architects and that's all I had. Thank you. Uh, real quick, the material, the PGT windows, what material are those? They're, uh, they're a vinyl. Thank you. Okay. So let's, let's talk set packs. So, and if you, let's see, can we possibly, can we get the, the, look quickly at the front elevation of the existing house? Yes. Of the existing house. Yeah. Uh, 2460. No, you want, you want to, you want a photographic? Yeah. A shot of it? I just want to see a photograph of the existing house. That would be. Elaine. Elaine will put it up for us. She's a better picture than I have for it. Oh, there you go. Thank you. Okay. So this has got, so we're in this, we're in Seminole Heights. We have this kind of build two line and the build two line is the principal wall of the, of the, of the, of the house. Is that correct? Principal exterior. Dana. Thank you. I can answer that. I have Dana Crosby call your city attorney's office. The build two line in Seminole Heights. This code was amended in 2025, December 2025. And build two line is defined as the distance measured from the property line to the building wall of the principal structure. Which we have. Okay. So, and they give us no further, they give us no further, uh, definition than that. Of the build two line, the, um, build two determinations build two line determinations are also specified in 27 dash 211.1 of the city code, which is related to Seminole Heights. And that's what Elaine was discussing about, um, the averages of it's very specific. If you'd like, I can lay it on me. And that was the, that was the yellow line that we saw previously. So it depends on the, um, on what properties are around the, um, existing, what properties are developed and what properties are not developed with regard to the, um, the property that is that the applicant is wishing to develop. So the, I'm looking now at 5804 North, North Cherokee. So the building line would basically be the front wall as it exists on the right end of this house. Right. Building wall of the principal structure. Right. Okay. So now if we could see the, uh, if we could now look at the site plan. So the porch on the new construction is completely covered and it is an extension of. That, that roof has no, you know, it, it is a single roof line. So we can determine if the front wall, if the front wall of the house exists, it is, as it's drawn here, it is the same as the wall on the right end. Dennis, I can see that you're, if, if you're moving, if I, if I may, I believe if I'm, if I'm tracking with you, this is the principal facade of the existing house. Uh huh. The principal facade of the proposed structure is here. And I think where, I think where it's a, it's a bit ambivalent is, I like to say, this is a, this is an innie porch and that's an outie porch. Right. But when we speak of Seminole Heights, we typically speak of the, of the principal facade of the house where the living quarters is, are, sorry. And so do you concur Dennis? Go ahead. Take it away buddy. Dennis Fernandez, architecture review and historic preservation manager. I, I, I caution you about diving into the rabbit hole of build two lines. That's a zoning classification that's in the Seminole Heights overlay district, but within the historic districts, um, it's a factor that is subordinate to the design guidelines. So, um, we will take care of the zoning parts of these. You should be looking at the design guidelines with the alignment rhythm and spacing of, of the block, but particularly of contributing structures and ensure that the infill construction is compatible with not only the adjacency, but the established patterns in the district. So thank you very much. Thank you very much. And I have, I have a question about scoring. You can, the walk will be scored. Is that correct? Yeah. Yes. We typically, we simply score in a repeating pattern that is, is, uh, as close to square as possible. In the sense of a five foot wide, I'll, I'll, I'll score it five, every five feet. If it's three feet wide, I'll score it every three feet. Okay. In the back on the driveway, we have a, we have a ribbon driveway. Um, typically in the past, we've not scored those because I already have some, some, some visual break break in the, in the, in the driveway. Um, so, so typically this runs three feet, three feet, three feet concrete, three feet grass, six feet concrete, three feet grass, three feet concrete. So it kind of breaks that pattern up. All right. Thank you very much. And then the, the welcome walls are also not shown on the site plan. But they, you said they would be two feet out from the face of the building, right? That is correct. It's a nice detail. Thank you. And let me, he doesn't have them on here. No, it didn't show on there. Yeah. Well, in the, in the building plans and in my renderings, there is a two foot welcome wall. And typically from, well, stay out of Dennis's territory, but typically the welcome walls are a non, a non intrusive into the, into the setback area. Okay. Any further questions? Now we close the public hearing and just, oh, rebuttal. I have no rebuttal. I'm fine. Now we can close the public hearing discussion. So I think my only, there should be a window in the garage. Um, and I looked to the, to the builders and architects on the board about the air conditioning unit. I'm just sensitive to a neighbor hearing air, an air conditioning unit, because it appears that that neighbor's house is, um, not the same square footage. And so there, you know, there's going to be a large, presumably, conditioning unit, right, right outside the corner of their house. Whereas on the other side of the house, could they place it to where it's near the driveway and porch chair of the other house? So somebody doesn't hear it, but it is closer to the street, closer to the front. Well, it wasn't reflected. It wasn't reflected. And, and I'm not sure you'd want two competing air conditioning units on the same side of the house anyway. So that's my, I mean, I'm not really upset about it, but my druthers would be to move it if it doesn't create some sort of aesthetic issue for the neighborhood. I think it's a good point simply because that other house is so close to the property line already. I think it enhances the entire neighborhood if the air conditioning system is on the other side of the house. If, if I may, I'm the other one. No, no. I think it enhances, you know, that it's a good point. It's a, I struggle, I struggle with this many items being listed as conditions. All of us have mentioned. That's my problem. So I don't have that many conditions. I do. I show that their elevations aren't complete. They have a seat rail needed to add. They need front columns to be removed. They need to call out the rear porch material being painted. They need to remove the rustic gate from the bottom. It's all minor stuff, right? Roof color needs to be picked. The windows need to be depicted as three over ones. The doors are fiberglass and the windows are vinyl. The problem with that is, and I pointed that out too. Yeah. You know, there was a, there was a condition listed. Yeah. Avoid the use of vinyl, plastic, fiber, or aluminum. Right. And here we have vinyl windows and fiberglass doors. I just think that we're missing the staff as it goes again. Ten minutes. So I think, I think, you know, he's marked stuff up. These aren't permitting drawings. These aren't permittable drawings. Right. We're agreeing. We're agreeable with that. Yeah. But he has marked those kinds of things up. And he did state in his case here that that what he would. So I think the test, I mean, we can almost say as a part condition that his testimony, his testified remarks are part of the record that list all 20. Is that true, Dana? At Crosby, call your city attorney's office. The applicant did show marked up drawings that indicated the changes he'll make. So staff will just confirm those changes have been made. The things that haven't been discussed, like the porch, the rear porch painting and things like that, you would want to add as a condition. And then, excuse me, Dana. And then those would be, those would be then checked by staff. Yes. So there will be a packet. There will be a revised packet that goes to staff with everything noted. Yes, that would be, yes, before they can approve the drawings. These revisions will have to be made. Yeah. These aren't stampable drawings. No. These aren't permissible drawings. None of that. Yeah. There have to, you know, we should not be accepting any AI, you know, as part of our, we've got to be careful about that going into the future. And I also, I'm sorry, I kind of misspoke. I just want to remind you that you don't dictate color. I mean, you can say paint. Oh, no, no. Right, yeah. Right, yeah. I'm sorry. Yep. Right. And it is my understanding, I will say first, it is my understanding of the construction of everyday materials. I agree. I believe that's the case. I also, I also actually think that they feature to distinguish them from historic, you know, that those new materials distinguish it and will never be confused as being a historic building because they're made of these. And that goes back to the foundation also with the stucco. That's a distinguishing characteristic to differentiate it from, because they wouldn't have done that. It's compatible. That's not how they would have done it historically. Therefore, it's distinguishing itself from historic construction, not change. It's compatible. But generally speaking on new construction, we're not, this board hasn't, those materials are acceptable. So we're still, when the, when the staff report says no vinyl, no this, we've still, we've, yeah, held that to a higher standard of, so in this case, what were they proposing to be windows? So is that something we're going to say? I'm missing the part where it says avoid. Under conditions. Primary structure, elevation. All right. The way to use the bottom. Ready for a motion? Yeah. Okay. Okay. And write it, write it down because we're going to use, we're going to use it again here in a second. We're going to use the exact same motion. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Okay. I'd like to move to grant a certificate of appropriateness for the drawings and documents presented in this public hearing for ARC dash 26 dash 0000379 for the property located at 5804 North Cherokee Avenue. Where to go? Oh yeah. With the following conditions that the applicant revises his site plans, elevations, and plans according to the comments he's made during this hearing. And in addition to, uh, adding a window to the garage, moving the AC system to the north side of the house, um, changing elevations to extend the brick, which he's mentioned. We need to add welcome walls with details to the site plan and plans walkways to be scored. Uh, we've had mentioned that the remaining tree will be removed once they get access to this, to the site. Uh, we need to have materials for the entry door for the rear door, the garage door windows to be three over one. I think the rest of it was all on there. The back porch materials can be painted everything else he mentioned. So just one caveat. The tree is not located on their property. Okay. So we won't include that. Okay. So don't include it. It was on a neighboring property. Okay. So strike the tree comment. Yes. Okay. Uh, because based on the finding of fact, the proposed project is consistent with the Seminole Heights design guidelines and the city of Tampa for the following reasons that it matches massing and design and the historic fabric. Second. Do you understand the conditions? I do. Thank you. You've made the motion. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? All in favor. Okay. And then commissioners Elaine Lund historic preservation staff moving to the, um, final, uh, public hearing item on the agenda this evening. We have case number ARC dash two six dash zero zero zero zero zero three eight zero for the property located at five eight zero eight North Cherokee Avenue and the Seminole Heights historic district. district moving to the photo presentation you can see the historic district map with the property in question shown in green again on Cherokee Avenue about half a walk away from the interstate and between Clifton Street to the north and Henry Avenue to the south this is the present-day aerial photograph of the area showing the width of the historic district there you can see the interstate off to the to the right or the east and the subject site shown outlined in green on the aerial map 1920s Sanborn map again with the block empty this is the the subject site for the proposed new construction so this is the vacant lot to the north of the one contributing historic property on the block the building just to the north here is non-contributing built in about 1941 and then this is the property to the south the the contributing 1928 historic building is looking across the street the property to the east backs up to the interstate there this is looking north on Cherokee Avenue so the subject site would be to your left south on Cherokee Avenue toward Henry Avenue subject site would be to your right this is the alley looking north and the alley looking south and I'll invite the applicant to present the request at this time thank you thank you Elaine so this is a two-story struck I'm sorry apologize as as we discussed in the earlier in the previous hearing this is 24 inches above the lowest point of the crown of the road with a finished floor of 37.33 with a front setback to the principal structure of 21.57 feet here is a side setback on this side at 7.60 there is on the north side setback setback of 11.90 and a rear setback from the lanai to 2343 between the the garage the detached garage and the rear lanai rear porch and the 14 foot alley along with the driveway at 14.24 feet which gives you your turning radius on your driveway there are some protected trees just to the north and you can see we've articulated the protected root zone along with a grand in the back the HVAC equipment is on the south side of the house with your vegetative buffer and there are no fences to be installed or goes with this application there is the front elevation this is your grade line here there is your your brick all the way down to the grade line smooth sand finished stucco in between on the on the CMU stem wall and then the smooth finished stucco but have removed the the faux pier details on this this one as well and just a little bit of a background we have we have done that in the past and it just doesn't really translate well in the in the actual field six and twelve pitch roof here is the front column details the two-story this is a this is a two-story home all masonry construction front porch welcome wall rear lanai here is a window detail which will repeat itself throughout the house with your five quarters trim and a five and a quarter headboard with a sill top and button with a and a top and bottom with a sill and quarter round here is a virtual drawing of that house that is to the east to the west rear once again these faux brick piers have been removed for all and shall be all smooth sand finish stucco open rafter tails on all four sides the north elevation once again with the faux piers being removed the south elevation line drawings on the south elevation seven and a quarter shiplap siding half inch paint grade beadboard on the eaves and the exterior porches hinge detail on the apologize let me just the east elevation of the garage and a pair of single overhead doors with a faux hinge detail the eastern side of the detached garage the north elevation and the south elevation illustrative purposes the garage accessory hinge detail these are the windows one over one PGT impact hurricane resistant windows all your exterior electrical fixtures lighting fixtures in black iron your door hardware in black iron timberline in s full dimensional asphalt shingle color to be determined and your craftsman style front door with a three three panel light at the top and with that concludes my presentation Elaine Lund historic preservation staff with the staff report we found this particular application to be consistent with the seminal heights design guidelines with a few conditions making sure I'm looking at the right one we really didn't have anything particular to this project other than what's already been covered so I'm available if you have any questions thank you comment I apologize I have nothing okay public comment yeah so no public comment so now we are I have to start over here this time all right I think I think I have the same questions as the last case for the garage is there is there a blank wall that the house is looking out to on the garage and if so can we put a window more than happy to add the window okay and then I mean would you want to anyway um and then for the air conditioning unit is there is is there more space on the other side um there is we typically stay out of the protected tree tree tree ring but I and that's a really a permitting it's really a permitting issue I know you're making comment here in the public but I I think we probably could get natural resources to sign up on the for as long as it was in the protected 10 foot radius zone not the grand tree which I think is further back on the lot right because on that side there was 11 feet yeah on the side that it's on there's about seven feet yes ma'am yeah okay um I think that was all that I had yeah uh quick question all the uh the trim siding porch trim everything else like that it's all hardy material right yes sir okay there's no there's no handrails on the porches I'm sorry no no there's no handrails on the porches is that correct I didn't see anything on your elevation this one has no handrail no handrail okay it's it's two feet so I don't need it for life safety just no aesthetics uh on your south elevation can you put your south elevation up for me yes sir is there I don't I don't know what your floor plan is is there a reason we don't have a window in that bottom left corner there there's stairwell stairwell okay same thing with the rear in that same area I assume is the stairwell also yeah yeah uh and then you said there's welcome walls on the front is that correct uh I've been traumatized with welcome walls today so bear with me no this house does not have welcome no welcome walls on the front okay uh and then your walkways are going to be scored I assume and all the fun stuff that we normally ask for yes sir okay that's all I have okay so do you have I have one more question but that's go ahead this is for staff so I noticed on this block I believe from the pictures that were shown that all the other homes are one story is this going to be the first two-story home on this block um the west side of Cherokee uh yes it would be the first two-story home on this side of the block I believe there is at least one that has a second story on the east side across the street just to the north a little bit okay okay so and I'm just looking for the staff's recommendation so there was no concern about this house being two-story because I'm just thinking visually as you go down the street you're going to see all these one-story homes and then a two-story but as you keep going down this block you're going to see another two-story on the opposite side of the street is what I'm hearing yes no further questions okay and I have a very picky question um yes uh the other house was very clearly craftsman this house is it was inspired by the craftsman houses and the bungalows this is a framed vernacular but it still has a craftsman front door so you can change that out if you want right get my yeah uh I I personally struggle with front doors that there's tons of styles and yeah and um I don't really if it's if there's a more appropriate front door I certainly don't mind that I don't I don't know from the framed vernacular what front door I would use I apologize that's fine I know how to put one in but that's a good style or not all right um so let's see we now need to do ah yes you get to rebuttal um I have I have nothing okay so I will now close the public hearing and we will discuss what I said last time what I said last time what I said last time the framed vernacular two-story is certainly present in the Seminole Heights district okay that's the only thing is that is a little bit you know is that you're going down this single story and there's going to be a two set yeah two-story there was one photograph down the street of a two-story gray structure with a mansard roof on it yeah yeah way out of like wacko yeah um this will not be wacko okay I'm trusting you guys because that that's the only thing that's I would have rather have seen a one-story so it just flows a little bit more but but I also don't want it to look cookie cutter either I'm sure the neighbors don't want it to so I think my only thing is put a window on the garage so when you're looking outside and move the ac to where there's more room and away from the neighbors it's kind of the same deal with the with the welcome walls a different door would also kind of make sense that you wouldn't want to see the same door on this house and the house to that two houses down because they're completely different houses you want to see a different I think that's yeah I agree I'm ready to make a motion uh let's see I moved to grant the certificate of appropriateness for the drawings and documents presented as public hearing for ARC no ARC 26-0000380 for the property located at 5808 North Cherokee Avenue with the following conditions that they move the AC to the other side to the north side of the home that we add a window to the east side east elevation of the garage they work with staff on doors and window selections scoring scoring the thank you very much scoring of the walkways and the back porch material be noted as painted because based on defining the fact the proposed project is consistent with the Seminole Heights design guidelines and the city of Tampa for the following reasons for the design and vernacular of the structure second I have a motion that is that is on the floor um all in favor aye aye does he accept the condition oh sorry excuse me yes I I do with with one clarification um on the front door are we going to allow staff to assist me with a more appropriate door yes I'm good with it yes I'm good with it so now I'm afraid can we all raise our hands again yeah yeah all right all in favor aye opposed motion carries thank you thank you and now I need a motion I'd like to I'd like to make a motion to accept the minutes from last month's meetings oh and staff approvals sorry thank you sure motion to receive where is where's that at motion to receive and file last month's all documents where's that at oh motion to receive and file submitted documents and exhibits from last month's meetings and and staff approvals approvals second all in favor aye I write that down on my thing meeting adjourned thank you