Architectural Review Commission - 07/08/26

tampa's architectural review commission welcome everyone i'm ted kempton chair of the commission if you are here to present a project you will have limited time to make your presentation so we suggest being thorough but concise when coming to the microphone you will need to identify yourself and your relationship to the project the commissioners will not ask any questions during your presentation your project should be presented in the following order site plan elevations architectural details wall sections staff will then present their report we will then ask for public comment please state and spell your name clearly if you are here to speak for or against a project your time will be limited to three minutes so take some time now to summarize your comments because three minutes goes by very quickly following public comment the commissioners will ask questions in the same order as the presentation next the applicant will have five minutes for rebuttal the public hearing will then be closed after the public hearing is closed no further testimony can be given the commissioners will then discuss the case and will make their decision based on chapter 27 of the city code of ordinances the design guidelines the secretary of interior standards historic preservation development review committee comments and the testimony given at the public hearing the arc can only act on items that are within our specific jurisdictional responsibility owner agents are independently responsible to obtain any appropriate permits and or approvals if you haven't already done so please silence cell phones and i'll start on my left with the introduction of commissioners ellenna pairs ketchum attorney representative john broke up i practice architecture brian hammond architect tim jones general contractor and certified building inspector also in attendance we have from city staff elaine lund jared barnum and our attorney dana crosby collier the complex sir dana crosby collier city attorney's office um would like to inquire if any member has a conflict of interest with any item on the agenda this evening i do uh it would be the first case and i will recuse myself oh your form form eight um has any member engaged in ex parte communication regarding any item on the agenda i have not thank you good evening excuse me good evening commissioners elaine lund historic preservation staff um this evening we had no continuations on our agenda so we can move at this time to the swear in will all those who are here to speak tonight please stand and raise your right hand okay at this time we will reopen the july 6 2026 meeting which was adjourned to this date and time to a lack of quorum on monday i will turn it over to the historic preservation staff to introduce the project arc 26-000300 but before i do that um i'm going to ask for a motion to elect a chair pro tem i put a motion together for john kropos kropos prokos sorry that guy it all works all right do we have a second second all right we have a second seeing no discussion all in favor signify by saying aye aye aye motion passes at this point i have filled out my form a and i will go ahead and leave the chambers and that's it over um so the first item on this evening's agenda to be reviewed will be application arc-26-0000303 for the property at 5208 north branch avenue this is an application for your review for a certificate of appropriateness for new construction of a single family residence and an accessory structure with site improvements this property is located in the seminal heights historic district and you can see on the location map here the location of the subject site which is currently vacant is shown in green it's south of in the southern half of the seminal heights historic district between giddens and fryerson streets um on the west side of branch avenue looking at the aerial photograph of the property you can see it here again shown in green on the west side of branch avenue there is a alley that runs behind the property north to south this is the 1920s sanborn map of the area again you can see that this is a historically vacant lot this is the view looking west into the the vacant parcel this is the property directly to the north a contributing structure and the property directly to the south then turning and looking across the street we have another contributing structure on the east side of branch avenue this is the view looking north on branch toward giddens and the view looking south this is the view in the alley looking north so you can see the adjacent properties um accessory building there and the view looking south and you can see additional accessory structures that are along the alley in this location that concludes the photo presentation so at this time i'll ask the uh applicant's agent to present the request good evening my name is alan dobbs 5912 north tampa street i'm the agent for brandon pass along the owner of the property and he would like to build a new home for this property a relatively modest scaled home compared to a lot of the projects being built uh in tampa and also an accessory structure so i'll go ahead and go right to the site plan so to orient you north is up we have the adjacent structures here shown to the north and to the south and we have the setback so that established the front setback of 33 feet nine inches but an open front porch is allowed to encroach on that so we're encroaching on that not the full eight feet but it's eight feet from here and as you can see this is the main body of the house we have a portfish air on the south side open on three sides and three feet from the south property line the adjacent structure to the south is seven foot four inches and so we have as good of a buffer as we can here um kathy larson she's here tonight so she's going to be talking uh about this project a little bit um during the public comment on the back of the house we have a rear porch again eight feet deep and we have an accessory structure the location of the accessory structure in the building were pretty much determined by the site constraints on the front we have these two oak trees this is a bigger nicer live oak tree this tree was damaged so it made more sense to put the driveway on the side and also the driveway on this side creates a more of a buffer between this house and the neighbor to the south the and then the accessory structure we have the required minimum separation here and the accessory structure is sort of this l shape and i can kind of explain the design of it and the inspiration of it when we get into the elevations but that structure is four foot eight roughly from the property line the minimum is three feet so it's located so that this loggia right here is lined up with the center of these steps which is the center of the back door this is a little utility area here and a porch that sort of turns the corner i call it a loggia the other site constraint obviously is this grand oak tree here and so on the other site elements we have a ribbon driveway let's zoom in a little bit to these areas a ribbon driveway with it's going to be picture framed and and scored into approximately six to eight foot sections even space we're going to have a flared driveway concrete again you can see the scoring pattern there the new sidewalk will not have any scoring or picture framing rather but it will have the scoring as typical sidewalks do in the public right away the sidewalk approaching the house from the sidewalk will have a similar scoring pattern but it will be picture framed like the driveway and then you um and that's centered with the with the front door of the house another site element is the the air conditioning unit is on the north side and then it's screened by some plants here we don't have any walls other than an existing fence on the back this just gives you an idea of the size of the house very modest in size but that's the size house that brandon wants to do and it's kind of refreshing for change when everybody's always trying to build the biggest house they can build so before i go to the elevations i wanted to talk about the inspiration of building form he wanted to do a a true high style arts and crafts style house and uh one of the books that's referenced in the design guidelines this is a picture from that book just some of the elements to note are the relatively low pitched roof the brackets there's a lot of different variations of column column pedestals tapered columns and things like that which you can see in this drawing you can see there's a lot of a lot of a lot of variations on the porch columns pork chair they're all appropriate for this style architecture and on the roof as well having the the open gable with brackets or corporal brackets so so another element that's found on at least four or five of the houses that i know of that i've worked on in the neighborhood this is a house on the corner of mohawk and seminal again you can see the low sloped roof the corporal brackets we have this trim band that goes all the way around the house is what frank lord wright called regulating lines so that creates the head of the window and also the brick which i'll get to later we're doing this red brick with the darker mortar so the other thing on the accessory structure is this was my client's inspiration picture for the accessory structure he wanted uh the living space inside the accessory structure to have folding doors that open but the doors are in a traditional french store type proportions where you have the heavier styles and rails and is in this is the reason for the large port so we're doing a really large overhang over the walkway here so that was and then also note the exposed rafter tails and they're a little bit wider than just a two-by material so on the elevation you can see we have the main gable for the porch and set inside of a larger gable for the body of the house and then we have the pork chair on this side with a side facing gable we're doing a tapered column that's about six feet above grade and then we're doing a six by six post and then we're going to have this little bracket decorative bracket on top and this beam lines up with this trim band i had mentioned on that other photograph the we have a flared skirt and we have a brick foundation piers and we have a foundation vent with just simple vertical members we have concrete stairs with welcome walls on either side which are brick but then have a concrete cap the tapered column bases have concrete caps as well and then the one in the middle as well has concrete cap these are the same size as the as columns but they have a little decorative bracket here i guess i can zoom in a little bit and the um the siding on the skirt is going to be a hand split shingle or shake i should say that's flared and then we're going to have about a four or three inch water table that runs all the way around and then we have the windows these are a single hung cottage style window that's actually a common uh not uncommon i should say where it's one third two thirds and i i have some more information on those and then we have the brackets as well i have some more detail on the brackets as well so so there's the composition of the front elevation the side elevation you can see the gable for the port cashier these brackets they turn the corner but they also uh extend a little bit past uh on the corners and that's the detail that is on several houses in the neighborhood and it sort of reinforces that that band you can see the uh again the skirt and the piers on this elevation the windows are seven foot six above the floor and the uh the back porch uh has the same columns but they continue all the way down to the slab and we're doing a concrete slab and the concrete slab on the the front porch and back porch in the steps will all be a nice broom finished concrete um that will be painted as you can see we have exposed rafter tails the barge rafters have a profile detail to them we have a standing seam metal roof and you can see the brackets extend a little bit beyond the barge or fly rafter and and then on the back and as well as the front we have below the concrete we have all brick and then on the back porch as well we have welcome walls which you'll see in the plan the this is sort of i have a separate seat that has all the elevations of the accessory structure but this is you see it from the south side so it's very long this way we have these double angled supports because we have an extra large overhang and these are sort of tapered to pick up on some of the tapering we have on picks up on this detail a little bit but also what you saw an inspiration photograph here this it's the floor is much lower but we still have the flared skirt but the skirt is lower and this bracket comes off the skirt and then we have all these brackets these brackets by the way are pulled in from the corner a lot of times you'll see the brackets right on the corner that always creates an odd detail here especially if it's a cantilevered bracket so it's much easier to cantilever if you pull it in so it lines it lines up with the interior column in all cases you can see that also on the rear elevation this is the sitting rail with some supports and those little little brackets you can see the welcome walls here this part right here is a little bump out the rooms are fairly small in the house so this is the master bedroom in the back so we have a little bit wider window for egress and this is this is the part that bumps out and then this roof actually will turn and run along here which you'll see in the roof plan the the other side elevation again the same details on the front porch you have the welcome wall and the porch with the slab on top all the piers are even with space with the wood lattice this is a suspended wood floor and then the flared skirt and you can see the windows the pattern of the windows is generally one-third two-thirds single hung but the smaller windows are just going to be casements that have a one so they'll be one over one over the bed in the bedroom we're just going to do three small windows which is basically half of this window right here the accessory building in the back we just have the three windows equally spaced and and then as i mentioned before the smaller skirt and then the larger rafter tails which match the rafter tails that we have on the other side which this is the other side so you can see this is the same elevation as before so we have those um those double brackets this is the east elevation that faces the house we have that the same three windows like what we have at the master bedroom and you see some people there for scale the um and then the um alley elevation we didn't want any windows in that but we still have all the same details you can see that this picks up on the same detail as the house where these brackets are set inside and we have the same trim band running around the window trim detail you can see here again we have the trim band which is basically a a one by six that's on three quarter inch nailer so it sticks out a full inch and a half so you get this sticks out much three quarters of an inch beyond the face of the siding and then you can see the the wider side casing for three quarter inches which is typical throughout the neighborhood and then the sill that has a little scotia trim at the bottom or like a little coat molding this shows the accessory building in section so you can see it's a slab on gray this is the wide logea and then you can see the um the larger overhang on this side the typical wall section shows engineered roof trusses but then we'll sister on a rafter tail that has this profile to it um we'll have a ton and groove finished um soffit that has plywood on top we'll have the proper overhang here or drip so that the end of the rafter tail doesn't rot out um this is the window uh opening here so this head casing is the same as that trim band that runs all the way around the sill of the window sits on top of the water table that is continuous around the house and then we have the flared skirt here and then we have the um modular brick actually we're going to do cmu but then it's going to be a thin brick but it'll be look like modular brick and then you can see the um the wood lattice there the nine foot ceiling height is pretty typical in the neighborhood the um the back porch detail is on the front porch is similar we have the concrete block stem wall fill slab we have a a three inch um high edge and it has radius corners we have the um the columns um they have this little thing and sitting rail that has this little support detail here and then you can see the core hole bracket there uh the the beam the bottom of the beam is trimmed out to line up with that trim band that goes around uh from the siding above the water table here to the ceiling which is um one by six v group kind of groove we have a again that scotia uh molding there and then um the wood columns which i mentioned before um the brackets the cantilevered brackets um we might have a diagonal but so i put that there um it works either way to be honest um and then this is the gable uh vent that again has the the sill and skirt and then has the uh the lattice in the middle and then on the gable and we still have the the finished wood soffit which you can see in the background there this is a little detail of the flared skirt obviously we're not using stone but it shows a little bit how it's kind of constructed and it kind of flares out like that the window details we were going to do full inch and a half trim but since we have this band running all the way around the house it's also the beat uh this the bottom of the beam it's simpler to go ahead and have it on top of three quarter inch nailer which works on the on the jam because your siding and that nailer are the same three quarter inch finished and then your casing goes right over it and that's an important detail that's how all the houses were done originally they actually built the wall sided it put the window in already had the casing and nailed the casing to the house so you always had that three three quarter inch offset so we're kind of mimicking that but we're doing it in a much better waterproofing kind of way and then the sill is the window sill sits on this large water table that runs around that again has that scotia trim and then this is the finished flare siding at the bottom and i have a sample of it here the detail for the port cashier columns basically it's going to be a concrete foundation that has concrete block structure that's cap that has a cast concrete cap again that matches the porch uh or porches and then and then we'll have a full brick veneer that tapers up uh to it and then we'll have the same type of columns as on the back porch and then we'll have that corporal bracket there and the beam and this detail that i had mentioned before the same rafter details one of the little details that at the base you can see i'm just doing like a little um this would be like a two by two and then this would be a little three-quarter inch trim so it just has a little base it's not just sitting on the concrete because usually with these columns we'll sit them on some cellular pvc so we have the separation so we're not having the end grain sit on the concrete but we want to cover that up so that's the reason for that little trim there and then the wall section that's accessory building as i mentioned before it's a slab on gray and we have the flared skirt same water table same siding uh wood siding not hardly we're using wood and i have some more information on the siding uh then we have the window this is like through the north side so it has a higher cell on the window and then these rafter tails are a little bit different they stair step like that on this side to pick up what we're doing on the other side and also we have a little bit higher ceiling in here because we have eight foot plate height but we want to have a little bit more volume on the inside but we didn't want the accessory building building to be any higher because typically they are pretty low scale smaller buildings the other section at the accessory structure is over the loggia so this has an extra long overhang which that's just too long for a three by six so we have this intermediate here that comes down and sort of sits on this or appears to sit on this and then that's what provides the support and then this is a six by four that runs continuous and then and then you can see the molyphic slab this is again broom finished concrete that slips away the flared skirt same siding as the house the same wood as the columns of the house and then the wood rafter tails and then the um the v groove uh tug and groove um finished stop it here in the same overhang so on some of the um finished materials um the first is the metal roof um for a long time uh the two kind of metal roofs that were allowed in the neighborhood were a 5v crimp metal roof and a standing seam metal roof and those were uh applied uh approved generally at staff level um anything different had to go before this board but they recently changed it where uh standing seam is not automatically approved so i want to spend a little bit of time talking about the standing seam to show that this this was done in 2018 or 19 that's a low profile standing seam metal roof on central you can see the address there here zoom in a little bit and then um this is a very high profile building it's the library um the new library that um um has a standing seam metal roof this um is a project i did a while back um actually brandon was one of the uh one of the contractors on this um and this was this low profile standing seam metal roof um this was my former office um i put this roof on in 2015 again low profile and then this is another example of a metal roof the um on the the siding materials um all the all the grading for all the moldings and trim come from mostly the southern pine inspection bureau so the profile that we're using is this some people call it dolly barden but this is the profile right here so you can see it's it's a lap siding but it is it is angled the other thing is the um on the flared skirt um we're using um let me get these first do this on here so these are uh hand split cedar western red cedar singles um you can see they kind of have a really um let's see well they're pretty thick um so one of the things i wanted to point out is at the the joints we're going to be doing what's called a lace joint where they they're flush like this i don't know if you can see but they alternate on either side so that's how you get a watertight seal i can probably as i mentioned before uh my client really wants to make this a showpiece house and and be uh very unique uh and use high quality materials high quality natural materials like this um this is from the standard for uh grading western red cedar or red cedar and this actually shows how the laced or woven butt joint works right here the windows we're using aluminum clad windows i don't think i mentioned that when i was going through the elevations but we are using uh colby it used to be colby and colby not just colby uh ultra series which is their aluminum clad wood window uh these as you can see are their cottage style so it's you know they have the top sashes smaller than the bottom sash the the doors those french doors um on the accessory structure um their proportion like standard um french stores where they have the larger rail at the bottom four and a half inch side rails and four and a half inch top rail and then this kind of shows the portions of them from the inside and then this also shows the width of the rails and plan and the windows you saw that we had some divided lights uh we're using sdl bars so these are all uh sdl um with um different profiles on the inside but the outside is just a standard putty glaze which um what we're not doing is is that we aren't doing that where the bars are on the inside of the glass the hardware for the doors is going to be a dark bronze probably something maybe a little more contemporary or rectilinear to kind of pick up on the craftsman style so probably something like this um right here where it has you can see it has a rectilinear handle um baldwin makes something similar this is a nickel finish but it would be the same style the um i'm gonna show you some of the windows first i know i'm getting near the end here there is the window this is on swanny and fryerson you look at it a little closer you can see it is a single or double hung window we have this small uh similarly divided light this is um you can see the brackets here and again this house has the same windows which you can see here and this i don't know if you can see but the sill here instead of a quarter round this has the scotia or cove molding here but you can see the top light over the bottom light the bottom sash is set back this says the heavy water table we're doing the opposite of this shingles on the bottom sliding on top again that's just this is appropriate the lighting is we're doing a craftsman style lighting with like this alabaster or darker glass this is like a a wall hung light this would be a ceiling pendant that would maybe go in the um in the port to share if we do a flush ceiling mounted light maybe on the back porch this is from the similar line and then along the walking paths this is actually a light they have for the walking path it's the same like along the sidewalk it goes to the front of the house and then the brick this is we're going to do this uh common red brick but variegated a little bit but the darker mortar which you can see in this um what was with this hat this was the darker brick with the light mortar which is a little stark this is a little more true kind of arts arguably true arts and crafts style and then the foundation lattice excuse me for this note but i tried to find the picture of it i have it in the drawings but um but this is the kind of uh foundation closure we're doing but in the back side you'll have the hardware cloth which keeps the little critters out but it's just very simple vertical members and then just to kind of this is unrelated to the outside but this is going to be this is an inspiration picture on what we're doing on the inside we're carrying all those details through and then there's a more detailed bracket so with that i'll conclude my presentation thank you staff found that this application was consistent with conditions there were not very many in the staff report on the last page um with that i believe they were mostly addressed by the applicant if not all addressed by the applicant so i'm available if you have questions thank you all right um do we have anybody in the audience that intends to speak about this project kathy go ahead my name is kathy larson and i live just directly south of the proposed new building so i really hadn't intended to speak i just wanted more information since the house will be in such close proximity to my own house which i was used to a nice empty space for many many years so um the only questions i guess that i have are for the portico shade where the overhang and everything that it falls within the um setback that is allowed i know the lot size for the city of tampa i guess is smaller than what it used to be when i originally purchased my home but and the only other question i guess that i have is the accessory structure is that something that can be rented later like garage apartments in some of the existing homes and if that's the case will there be enough parking available for that type of if it did become a rental unit later so basically the drawings are beautiful i know that um current brandon did beautiful work so i'm not worried about that i just was curious thank you thank you very much um seeing no one else who intends to speak um we will close and and we'll ask close that that part and ask questions starting on my right uh mr dobbs i have a couple questions for you on the windows um staff has requested that the windows not be fin mounted or flush with the exterior materials i see that they're not flush with exterior materials but on detail four on your presentation it showed that there was a nail fin installation you have noted there you're going to wrap it for for a flange clearance um i have the window right here and i i sorry i didn't show this during my presentation but um yes it does have the nailing fin it's an impact rated window uh it has the putty glaze you can see how the silent rail meet there with the vertical twang it's my understanding it's my understanding that the arc and historic preservation and the design guidelines control anything within the public realm that you can see how the window is attached to the structure is not really within the public realm but we have it detailed so the detail whether it has a fin or not um you'll never know because of the way it's trimmed out i think i think the staff is more concerned about the setback to the to the wall itself because it appears like it's going to be actually flush with the uh with exterior trim so you're talking about the profile painting correct so the profile panning and that's why we're doing it like this we have uh rather than doing three quarter inch trim we're actually bringing the side casing out so so we have this here this this little detail right here that's that's any impact aluminum clad wood window is going to have that detail whether you have the fin or not it's just a matter of how the window is structurally attached to the building because if you don't have the fin then it's attached here but it doesn't but this part right here so i guess my i guess my question is standard the the casing that is on the windows that you're proposing to use how thick is that casing how deep is it is it going to take up the full three and a half inches on the on the frame well the width of the casing is four and three quarter inches okay and it is uh three quarter inches beyond the face finished face of this wood siding okay uh okay you have uh on your roofing material you continually spoke about low profile standing seam is that your desire to use low profile as opposed to standard okay yes um some of your details on your siding you had made mention that you wanted to use wood siding but some of them had dictated on there that it was hardy siding you're wanting to use wood that was an oversight on my part yeah yeah it's all wood so it's all wood okay uh your porch materials on the ceiling you have tongue and groove is it painted stained how's it how is it finished it's it's going to be painted okay the decking on the porch is going to be just uh exposed concrete brush brush finished or broom finished concrete but then paint it okay all right uh the brick sample that you showed on your details you show a full brick for your columns for your for the larger columns but your foundation columns you're going to use a thin brick do you have a matching brick between the two of those those will be matching brick and i understand that's the condition of the board because they you're right they need to match exactly right so do you have a manufacturer that does provide full brick and thin brick uh not yet okay all right the main thing is it's it's sort of that reddish hue but also the darker the darker more as well yeah okay um your cedar shakes they're just gonna you're just gonna leave them raw you're gonna are you probably are you gonna do it with stain so he's saying painting but i'd probably recommend like a solid stain so kind of training stain so it will be appear as if it's painted okay do you have actually drawn out details for your rafter tail and your corporal details that show measurements and dimensions all that type of stuff that details besides just a picture of it do you have it detailed out with the dimensions on it somewhere no i i uh i i just have this right here this this drawing is to scale but we would be uh more than happy for that to be a condition of the board that we approve whatever profile that is provide a sample to um to staff okay to approve because there's a lot of them so we do want to do yeah sure sample that's important um on your eight on your accessory unit do you have a floor plan for that by chance oh yes i print the floor plans um does it does it have a kitchen in it no okay so i will point to this um the uh that's that's that's something that the uh city of tampa um is very strict on um and that came up during um historic hp drc meeting and uh so and i so we uh it says right here the new accessory structure is not a dwelling unit perfect thank you very much uh the the logeo which you're calling out there on your accessory at the fascia what is the height above grade you're talking about this detail right here i can't see what you're pointing at sir i'm sorry let me let me zoom out sorry um you're talking about this height right here correct yep okay so let me go to the section okay so this has so that that trim band for scale or reference is is six foot eight the bottom of it and you can see here so we actually come down to about six foot six right here um so that's about what it is about six foot six so are you prepared when city doesn't allow you to do that for clearance because of course six eight yeah yeah you can definitely tweak that too by adjusting the heel height yeah yeah okay um let's see one last question on your accessory structure so i didn't see any fences or gates on the on your plans is that correct right there's no uh walls or fence well there is a wood fence existing wood fence but no new fences or walls are in the so is there is there a wood fence on the north side of the property no so how are we going to screen the accessory structures uh mini split well that well the the neighbor has a fence okay so there is a fence there yeah okay yeah just we don't have a fence and uh and we have as i pointed out the plants that are but that's on the main house but on the on the accessory structure the mini split unit on your site plan didn't show any type of uh landscape okay uh there's an existing fence here yeah can you move that up just a little bit there yeah let me sorry let me zoom in too uh yeah there is a there is an existing fence here that runs along here okay and then also i believe these neighbors have installed a fence and also we have these plant screens up here so you really won't see it and it is a mini split so yeah they don't stick out real far so and it is really far back from the street right as well okay um then one last question for you the windows with your one-third two-third so does the bottom just from my own knowledge does the bottom sash only go up one-third it only goes up one-third yeah and it can be a single hung or you can be a double hung where the top comes down and you're using you're doing a single hung if i remember you yes yes okay exactly and and i did verify with uh it's actually mansion windows and doors um they they do uh sierra pacific and colby and both of those have the cottage cell window that meet uh impact okay oh i have no further questions i have no questions i guess the only question is do you mind just addressing the neighbor's question oh yes yeah i'm glad you asked that yeah yeah okay and i have talked to kathy um several times and um yeah she was concerned about the because the bedrooms of her house are are on this side right here um that's part of the reason we put the port cashier on this side so that there was more of a distance between the body of the house and and the bedrooms here the port cashier is uh is three feet from the property line but we do have the gable and overhang but that will still be uh if we have a two-foot overhang that's why i have been proposing then we'll have a one foot uh separation from the property line for the overhang and and you're allowed with the with the three foot setback to have a two foot now we'll have some fire rating stuff that we have to do because it's less than two feet from the property line but um but um yeah i mean her property is seven foot four so it's a little bit more than the minimum now if her property was you know six feet five four which is actually common in my house then then maybe i'm being concerned but there's a there's a reasonable um separation there um and again i i'd like to point out that this will not be used for any uh rental or anything it's just brandon so he's only going to have one car but because it's a single family residence we have to have two cars so that's why we have this here um he you know most people just park out here so so they won't even really be you know getting near her house but it's it's more um i guess a matter of um you know we're sort of entitled to do it just because of um we are meeting the city requirements for setbacks so the overhang of the pork share is within the setback that's allowed by the city well it's it's it's in the allowed encroachment for overhangs on the setback yes is there anything that can be done with landscaping to well of course of course yeah brandon is um and you know he because my presentation ran a little long he can be available to answer any questions on that um but i do know he's planning on landscaping because he's he's um you know wants to keep it sort of private as well okay so um would you like him to come up and answer that question or i'll leave it in case anybody else okay sure thank you all right um i don't really have much to add um i did have a question if you're calling uh the roofing a low profile standing seam um what define is it three quarters of an inch an inch what are we talking about three quarters of an inch and you have you found a roof that has a florida product approval with a very shallow standing scene yes yes snap lock 20 i think it's 24 gauge uh usually you want to do 24 instead of 26 gauge to avoid avoid oil canning okay you know a lot of the roofs they put those little ribs in it to avoid the oil canning but when you do the heavier gauge um then you don't have to have those those ribs and and when i did my office in 2016 um you know i think it was pretty much the same wind load rating so and there was an issue and then the house i pointed out on central was done in 2019 and then there's been probably about four or five other houses within the last five years so yeah and i understand um what was the roof slope again 412 412 okay um i just i know we went through the same thing on a on a project right that has a lower slip than 412 and we had to we couldn't use a one inch we had to go to like a one and a half or yeah yeah low profile because they you do have the standing seam that does help with lower slopes but you get to a certain point where as soon as you get above i think as soon as you get above 312 i think you're you can you can go to a smaller yeah well it depends on the manufacturer and i think the detail of the um the standing of the role yeah yeah okay um is there anything that you think considered that you consider this house and this design that identifies it 20 years from now or 30 years from now that identifies it is not historic um that's an interesting question i was wondering if it was going to come up tonight because um we try and be respectful of the character of the neighborhood but also give our clients what they want um i did the arturo fuente cigar factory or cigar warehouse it was a new structure down on um in ebor just north atamo between 21st and 22nd and that was one of the arguments that the blc brought up is you know one of the things with the secretary of interior standards is differentiating new from old so you don't give a false sense of history um but at the same time my clients being cigar manufacturers they wanted a highly detailed building in the brick vernacular basically it's a 15 000 square foot humidor cigar box right you know so so it was highly detailed and yes it did look like an old building but the um um the way i addressed that is um is i put down two one dollar bills one was a chris new um one dollar bill and the other was old tatter one dollar bill so generally with new construction it's differentiated from existing construction because all the lines are clean and new and and some of the hardware too like i mentioned that we're doing a little more contemporary looking hardware with the rectilinear yeah handles and things like that the cloud windows are are a clear identification i understand that but windows can change um i i just i needed to ask the question because that's you know and trust me it's a very pleasing design you know you've done that you've done your clients proud i just i just know that i don't want 20 years from now people to drive down the street and wonder is that contributing structure or not yeah okay well it will be on the map you know the sort of preservation map okay i know i understand and i think we probably do want to in a motion we probably do want to condition that the manufacturer of the bricks and the thin bricks be the same manufacturer that that be a condition of approval um but uh i don't think i have any other questions you have a few minutes for rebuttal if you want to have to in a second hello my name is brandon pastong i'm the owner and um i'm very excited about this project so i happen to be an owner of north rome lumber as well not we participated a lot in the preservation of tampa including the building that we're in here uh ybor city a lot in seminal heights high park bay shore so and um i'm also a general contractor being my business partner and we happen to live on this block and we've lived on this block he's lived there since the day i met him 30 years ago he was renovating the house on this block while i was renting a renovating a house in southeast seminal heights so we know this neighborhood very very very well and we've renovated and put our hands on many houses within just eyesight of this house um i i want to first also say i completely respect the neighbors concern but i'm not even sure i'll let my relatives stay in the accessory structure for more than three days let alone rent it out if it's not for my mom and dad getting up in age i probably wouldn't have it as probably most people um i like quiet i like silence in this and i like humble i think this house is very humble but it's going to have some very beautiful details i think that's going to make the historic neighborhood proud i think so in terms of what it's going to look like in 20 years coming from a lumberyard that's been in tampa for over 80 um the siding is going to be milled historical siding i know the profiles front and back from the spib i know cedar and shake shingles front and back you know i know building materials front and back it's going to have some modern uh things like insulation that no one's going to see and it's going to be efficient and um but the details from the rafter tails to the brackets we've been producing this for the city of tampa for the historic neighborhoods for many many years and i'm very excited to be able to take everything that i've learned for 20 plus years and put it into my own house because this is the first house that i got to build for myself and not someone else so um okay second yep that's good yep thank you i appreciate you very much just one last thing i'd like to um have two and a half minutes um i'm so focused on all the details and the um elevations i i overlook printing the floor plan but this shows the floor plan here and so you can see you have the porch you have a dining area here a parlor here a large open kitchen here bedroom and bedroom here and then um then you see the the living in the back which is everybody lives in the back of the houses now and then the accessory structure is um it's going to be uh this room with the folding doors here uh sleeping room here the window there pantry um and then uh closet and bathroom and then this is going to be like a utility room with washing dryer and you can see the large overhang there okay um and i i assume since i have one and a half more minutes uh kurt you want to come up and say anything a rebuttal or anything my name is kurt plum i lived at 5302 branch immediately north of the structure um just to comment on your concerns about what this house will look like in 20 years uh brandon and i have been building my business partner since 1998 and um every single home that we've touched in similar heights going back to 1998 you drive by it today you would think it's been there 100 years so everything we do is um very respectful of the historic nature of the neighborhood and we take a great pride in what we do and that when someone drives by it looks like it's been there since the beginning so the very last thing i'll say and then i'll be done uh to respond to you uh john the different main difference is everything will be square level and plum which is unlike all the houses from the 20s perfect thanks all right all righty i think we'll end the question and answer session and uh and talk amongst ourselves i think it's a i think it's a great design i just think you have some details you need to work out and i think it's something they could do with staff they need to finalize the roofing material actually specify manufacturer same thing with the brick same thing with the door hardware some on and on and on my only concern would be the portico share is a little oversized looks like it's about nine foot in the opening of the throat between the stairs and the columns i think they could reduce that down to eight to kind of give a little extra buffer for the neighbor but i think that's something that can work with staff possibly to if they could rectify great if not to be just fine they're within code right yeah yeah i mean but it's but the portico share normally on a historic home like that is not nine feet you might want to buy a lincoln you know 64 lincoln continental it's eight feet wide yeah true true or he may drive a pickup truck that's eight feet yeah exactly right but that's that's it i mean this is there's they're gonna have some they're gonna have some difficulties when they go through permitting anyways with some height restrictions it didn't it didn't appear to it didn't appear at a scale no to the rest of the house yeah it it looked appropriate in fact i mean i'm just you know from a historic preservation standpoint and looking at historic detailing you know this just kind of gives me goosebumps you know all these little tiny tweaks and details but my concern is that it mimics and copies historic detailing too well and the point the point for them the point of the the standards the interior standards are that there be a clear distinction between what's historic and what's new because anything that copies too much historic and looks like it's been there forever um when it hasn't been reduces the value of the actual historic properties yeah and that's you know that's a concern that said no one's going to complain about this house no standing out or sticking out um so i think we can obviously with the obvious um promises and assurances of quality of materials and workmanship and that kind of stuff i mean i think that's you know that distinguishing between new and old is um is going to be evident in that it's going to stay square and plumb yeah and look and not and not be crooked and sagging um but uh anybody else how many no no anybody want to uh i'll take it try for a motion uh let's see i've moved to grant a certificate appropriateness for the drawings and documents presented this public hearing in arc-26-0000303 for the property located at 5208 north branch avenue with the following conditions that the applicant works with staff on the details for uh rafter and corporal details uh door hardware the roof finalization the brick full brick and thin brick being uh similar they would work with staff on possible landscaping at the edge of the portico share to give a little more buffer between them and the neighbor did i miss anything i think that was it i don't have anything uh because based on the finding effective proposed project is consistent with the similar similar heights similar heights design guidelines of the city of tampa for following reasons that it adheres to scale and massing and architectural detail second okay have a motion a second uh do you understand the conditions yes i do okay um can we have a vote all in favor all right okay four nothing thank you very much thank you congratulations um can i get a motion to receive and file submitted documents and exhibits so moved all in favor it hi hi all right uh we can now adjourn the july 6th 2026 public meeting and call to order the july 20 july 8th 2026 public meeting commissioners elaine lund historic preservation staff as we move on to the july 8th 2026 architectural review commission public hearing agenda the item that will be reviewed here is arc-26-0000302 for the property at 2804 north morgan street in the tampa heights historic district this is an application for the new construction of the single family residence and site improvements at this time i'll move to the photo presentation again this is located in the tampa heights historic district it's in the um the northern half of the historic district north of columbus drive located just along the west side of morgan street just north of gladys street and south of robles street and south of uh also south of floribraska avenue this is the 1920 sanborn map of the area showing um the subject site you can see that the lot itself is does not go all the way back to the alley it's a truncated lot again um just north of gladys street on the west side of morgan and this is the present day aerial map again showing the lot um near the western boundary of the uh of the tampa heights historic district the western boundary of the historic district does run along the alley there so you can see the uh proximity of it to the subject site this is a view looking west directly at the subject site on morgan street this is the property directly to the north at 2806 north morgan street an application was recently reviewed by this board for new construction here this is the property directly to the south at the corner of morgan street and gladys this is the property directly to the east this is a non-contributing building that was constructed i believe in the 1990s prior to the development of the historic district or the designation of the district this is the view looking north along morgan street so the subject site is to your uh to your left and then this is the view looking south on morgan street um toward gladys street so the subject site would be to your right and that concludes the photo presentation for this um application so at this time i'll ask the applicant to come forward and present the request rios with rios architecture here on behalf of the applicant to present a two-story single family home i'll start with the site plan um so the property has let me grab a property has a uncovered tandem driveway to the right we did apply for a design exception to tailor to taper the driveway a little bit left of center to not overlap or to curve the driveway to keep it straight uh the uh we do show a three by three concrete scoring pattern for that driveway we do intend on maintaining that into the into the walkway the footprint is in the darker shaded area with an eight foot deep front porch and a seven foot deep rear porch and we do have a grand tree to the back that we've uh maintained our protective radius the protective radius from um here's a of the structure there is a side and a partially covered uh side entrance here with uh two columns uh but of course the main entrance is right there four plans for reference so first floor front entry staircase to the second can you slide it over just a little bit more so we can see both this is good no it's to the left or right i'm not sure which way it's oh that's good right there okay thank you yes um so uh uh kitchen uh dining living one bedroom ensuite uh down here and then uh three bedrooms on the top of three one the staircase along the right here is the front elevation um that would oh we're looking pursuing something more of a of a traditional four square simplified uh overall massing um with windows lining uh top and bottom uh we are we do have a four over one window arrangement there this is the front this is the rear elevation the side elevation where the covered uh second entrance is off the port of the uh dry vial and this is the uh opposite elevation there this is the south elevation details we do have a hardening siding a shingle roof we do show a half round uh gutter uh eight by eight posts tongue and groove for the ceiling that would be painted we do have a concrete slab and we do have a profile around that slab a four inch profile around that slab it's all stem wall foundation the stucco finish around the perimeter this section kind of details it a little bit more this two-story section has that little shingles uh vinyl soffit um recessed uh jeldwin uh vital windows um the siding uh we have a four a four inch uh hardy board trim around all sides of the windows um just a stucco band at the bottom where the slab begins um this is a typical elevation of the window the four four uh four inch wide trim all around uh window mount window details that again are not not not flange mounted other uh details here where we show the uh corner board door arrangement and beveled siding with that i'll include the presentation and leave it up to open up to discussion okay thank you uh elaine lunge historic preservation staff staff found this application to be consistent with conditions um consistent with the tampa heights design guidelines the one um the conditions are listed on the back page of your staff report the i guess the two things i would like to particularly call out is that the um transportation design exception must be approved approved for the truncated clear on the north side of the driveway apron before the certificate of appropriateness can be issued and also i believe the applicant made reference to a vinyl soffit we would like to see a material such as a cementitious panel or like a hardy product used there instead of vinyl and with that i'm available if you have questions thank you great all right not seeing anybody in the audience we will move on to commissioner's questions and i'll start on i can't remember which way you guys did it we did it we started with me last time we'll start again with me so um do you have a cut sheet for your windows to show the muttons are on the interior and exterior of the windows not a cut sheet but we are proposing a four over one is the intent but it doesn't show that you don't have anything it shows grids on the interior of the of the window exterior of the window anything like that um just the elevations that show the button profile okay no okay um i'm going just i'm just going through the staff conditions here um would you consider incorporating brick in place of stucco for the foundation walls in the front porch to kind of give a separation oh we do have a stucco finish uh at the base are you is that uh would you consider using brick on that front porch area to to break it apart i i would be open to it i just don't know i think personally i think it might get a little bit busier with that detail yeah okay uh let's see we don't have i didn't see any doors any uh call outs for doors manufacturers at doors do you have material uh we don't have a manufacturer or um vinyl would be the uh material but we do have uh just diagrammatic uh diagrammatic representations of what the door will look at we actually have a exterior exterior elevations right let me see those they're showing what you but what i'm asking for is you don't have a manufacturer or a product number that's that's called out for those for that not for the doors no okay uh for your hardware or your lighting any call outs for any oh we don't have a proprietary specs other than the uh the hardy siding okay um we would propose black finish for the for the hardware okay on your site plan i didn't can you put your site plan back up again yes thanks is that your ac unit that's just on off the back porch is that the ac unit just there right of your stairs there yes it is uh do you have any screening proposed to to so that you can't see that from the neighbor's yard um we don't have any shown but of course not opposed to doing that if uh if uh no you know personally i now now noticing that i would i would actually propose it uh here and provide screening um okay so i would i would prefer to relocate that to this corner here okay and have a screen there on your site plan there you have a six foot high wood fence called out along the back yes upon the rear is that can you tell me what type of fence that is that wood fence is it board on board is it shadow board uh we would propose a wood fence um and that would yeah and that would wrap around okay uh i have no further questions um on the columns um that are uh front and back and side um i saw a note that said eight by eight pt pressure tree is that the finish is that no no it would be painted so painted pt is is what you're proposing are you going to wrap that with oh no sorry so the the column itself would be yes it would be pressure treated but it would be wrapped with a with a panel but so structure the structure was eight by eight and then it's got the wrap around that i didn't the finish the the overall size should be eight by eight there's a correction the overall size should be eight by eight and the the column itself would be six or five you know six by six by six nominal um you mentioned four inch trim around windows top bottom and uh uh sides uh have you considered going wider with that trim um i'd be open to that um the the windows that i've seen in the district uh uh seem to be proportional on the sides and on the top but certainly open to making the top bigger if that's the suggestion okay i have no more questions you call out uh half round gutters do you have the downspout shown on any of the house elevations where the downspout locations would be i have it on the the elevations do show it yes uh the axo shows it uh here just going down the sides and then the elevations uh front but the the uh the uh in all cases the downspouts are pushed back they're not uh you know they're not on the front facade nor are they um they're usually like about five feet off of the front okay in all cases um are you opposed to to substituting the vinyl soffit for another material yes you're opposed to it oh no no i'm not opposed to excuse me um and and when it came comes to the door and the windows did did you discuss the materiality of the windows and the doors um it would be we were looking at the uh jeldwin uh vinyl um the gentleman vinyl vinyl clad or vinyl all vinyl uh well clad so it's wood with a vinyl exterior climbing um are there any gates in the back fence intended no i think i have any other questions i have no questions okay um the window pattern four over one what was the the choice for that versus uh just one over one or two um uh the that was a decision that was just discussed with uh with staff to go with that approach uh um i do think that pattern gives a little bit more of a a subtle craftsman influence with the deeper with the deeper porches so it's not uh entirely uh traditional or four square it gives that with the deeper porches gives a little bit more okay and then can you put your um your floor plan back up please and then my question comes in is the inset at the front door versus uh you know a a solid plane that matches up with the second floor i'd say i'm not opposed to matching it um i'm looking at that now and i'm seeing the the subtle difference between a traditional four square and that deviation so i acknowledge that um i do think it brings a little bit of asymmetry uh to bring it maybe to give it some difference uh from uh for maybe a traditional uh look but um i do acknowledge that as a deviation from the traditional four square okay and then did you at all explore the welcome walls on that front or the front and the back but really more the front um we were open to it we just didn't do it just because the the porch is meant that we're we're having such a minimalist approach on the elevation um what is the elevation change there oh from 18 inches from gray yeah yeah it should be about that i have uh okay have great elevations on here but what yes i do i got uh yeah put the the front elevation back up oh sure what we're talking about the only thing i'm missing on this elevation is just that band that goes across yeah it's a it's a real simple house i i don't think you need it um but it wouldn't hurt i mean you don't you don't have a whole lot of decoration which i know that's what you're going for um okay and i'm glad you're moving the ac i didn't understand right there staring at it yeah okay that's that's all the questions i have any other questions okay you have five minutes for rebuttal if you so choose yeah no no comments thank you okay great we're going to close the public portion of the hearing and move on to discussion i i think he's missing a lot of details it's just whether or not if he's missing so many details he needs to come back in front of us or if he can work it through his staff that's my only question it's it's going to be approval conditions i'm sure but it's just the amount of details he has to put together definitely there's a lot of materiality that needs to be discussed but anybody have issues with the actual no i i'd be in favor of having staff do all that with them okay what about the uh bringing the front plane i think you need to bring the front plane all the way across to match the historic presence of the front of the house that that's just my opinion about the architect speak to that yeah i would like to see that square but i does anybody else have have a uh a an issue with the the columns look too narrow to me i i you know i i wish that they had some more you know it just needs a little more substance and the same with the window trim i mean there's there's not a whole lot going on with the building and so so i think which i think is the pull that's the point that's the point but it it it it feels a little it feels too um it feels like you've gone too far in in the simplicity and i and i wish that the columns were a little bit bigger and i wish the trim on the windows was wider okay okay um it it comes across as a builder aesthetic yeah yeah minimalistic builder right yeah and not and not thought about it's definitely going to stick out from the other historic homes on the on the block yeah yeah and i i would tell you like the welcome walls are not mandatory like i don't it can be done well i'd much rather invest in thicker columns yeah and a little bit of the window treatment yeah because i i was gonna say cheap but but it builder grade but builder grade where it's like they're trying to do the right thing and they don't quite get it and it comes across it can go they can go a little bit further and go a little bit further and still be very simple right you know that's not adding costs that's not adding you know that's not being inefficient right it's just a proportion and a scale thing uh and i think you know that we can certainly make that a condition it's an appropriate thing to make anything to work with staff on getting better proportions for the window trim and the columns okay was there something else i think no no no that that that was um the the two things that stood out and the material soffit you know material of the soffits and i do want staff to weigh in on the appropriateness of the vinyl clad windows but i think it's appropriate i think it's accepted did did we get the information on the on the roofing he just said shingles but we don't know if there's a lot there's doors hardware lighting there's there's the material yeah right exactly it's the material palette okay that needs to be further clarified even though he doesn't have he says he doesn't specify you know he doesn't have close specifications and over specification but you still have to define things you still have to have a design you know a design spec yeah well it's got to be matched by multiple people it's got to be something for the arc inspector to go off yeah to go off right yeah okay and also the fence to review the fencing right because it wasn't or the materials right the material palette yeah right okay you're the man so great uh i would like to move to grant a certificate of appropriateness for the drawings of documents presented this public hearing in arc-26-0000302 for the property located at 2804 north morgan street with the following conditions that the applicant were to get with staff to work through the mechanical locations of the hvec systems the columns to reproportion the columns to be larger the window trim to be larger and more substantial that they would finalize their material palette and to move their front wall on the first floor out to a single plane as opposed to dividing that plane did you miss anything that's all right because based on the finding the fact the proposed project consistent with the tampa heights historic district the city of tampa for the following reasons that it does match scale and proportion and design criteria is consistent with the interior design guidelines of the city of tampa that's part of the material palette second motion in a second uh does the applicant miss rio no yeah do you understand the conditions and do you agree one of them was to flush out the front door okay yep yep perfect okay any discussion not seen any all in favor signify by saying aye aye all right motion passes unanimously congratulations all right at that i'm looking for a motion to receive all exhibits and materials yep i move i second though we got a second all right no discussion all in favor all right motion passes and with that the meeting is adjourned you guys