Board of County Commissioners on 2026-05-12 9:30 AM - May 12, 2026

Thank you, Seminole County, and welcome to the BOCC May 12th meeting. As always, we are going to start with our invocation and pledge that will be led by Elder David Ball from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And before he comes up, you can come up, Pastor, but we want to make sure that we give you a sincere note of appreciation for all that you do with Seminole Heart and their dedication to our community. You facilitating all of that work is fabulous on our behalf, so thank you from the citizens of Seminole County and from the Board of County Commissioners. And with that, if you'd all rise. Thank you. They said I could take less than a minute to introduce myself. My wife and I are citizens of Utah. We're retired, and we've been called by our church to serve as missionaries here in Sanford for 18 months. And we've found it utterly delightful to live here. In fact, my wife says that because of the beauty and the weather here, she would prefer to stay. But in fact, we have 18 grandchildren living in Utah. She says that's probably the only thing that will take her back home. However, if a hurricane passes through this summer, she might change her mind. But we also have 18 to 20 young missionaries, 18 to 20 years old, that are here as proselyting missionaries. And their charge is to, they are assigned to work at least four hours a week as community service. So if any of you need some young, healthy volunteers, you can look us up by the website. But anyway, we'll say our opening prayer now. Our Father in Heaven, we're indeed grateful for the opportunity this day to meet together as the county commissioners and county leaders and concerned citizens. And we're indeed grateful and express gratitude this day for the free land that we live in. We're grateful that 250 years ago, wise men were raised up and gave us a free constitutional government that defines we the people as the sovereign. And we're grateful for this wonderful blessing. And we pray that thou may bless our current national leaders, that they may lead us with wisdom and protection. We're especially grateful for those men and women that serve us in the military. And we pray at this dangerous time that they may be protected in their service. We're grateful for those that choose to be our state and local leaders here in the county, in this county. And we pray for them that they may have wisdom and understanding and empathy for the citizens. And to serve this growing population and the challenges that face us as we provide the necessary services for our community. We are particularly grateful for those that serve us, particularly in those that are assigned to protect us. We're grateful for the sheriffs, the police officers, the firemen, and the other first responders. We pray for them and their protection. And particularly in dangerous situations, bless them and protect them with wisdom and skill and understanding. And particularly, and most importantly, that they may always return home safely to their families. We pray for our teachers and our parents who have been given the stewardship to raise our children. That we may raise our children to be responsible citizens. That someday they may carry on the duties of leading us and the blessings that we have that have been given to us. We pray for those in our community that are suffering through health, mental, physical, or financial burdens. That the ways and means may come to them. They may be lifted up and enjoy the posterity that we've been blessed with. And again, bless us as we conduct the meeting and the businesses of this county to this day. That we may act with respect to one another. And although we may, as a community, be of many diverse cultures, religions, ethnicities, and different, we have many differences. We pray that we all may rise to the level and live to the command of our Savior. That we may love one another. And these blessings we pray for and petition for thine divine help. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you so much for your blessings and welcome to Seminole County at least for 18 months. So we're going to move on to awards and proclamations. Some of them we're going to read fully through from the dais and some of them are going to be passed on the consent agenda. We have folks that are here to take pictures, even though they're on the consent agenda. I'm going to give a call out to our EMS team who's here. We are delighted to have you here and we'll be doing pictures with you. The first proclamation is the proclamation for Sergeant Robert Pizzuro, United States Army, a Seminole County's May Veteran of the Month. And this will be read by Commissioner Herr. That's me. Commissioners, I move the following proclamation of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners, recognizing United States Army Sergeant Robert Pizzuro for his outstanding service to the United States and Seminole County. Whereas the brave men and women of our Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard, and Space Force demonstrate a resolute spirit and unmatched selflessness, reminding us there are few things more American than giving of ourselves to make a difference in the lives of others. And whereas throughout our country's history, generations of service members have answered the call to leave their families, their jobs, and put their futures and even their lives on the line to valiantly defend our nation. And whereas for many service members, the sacrifice has ended in permanent injury or death, yet their spirit remains in the continued preservation of our freedoms and the promise of liberty. And whereas there are more than 30,000 living veterans in Seminole County who served our nation in times of peace and war, through their service, they kept America strong. And whereas, before entering military service, Sergeant Pizzuro had already demonstrated a profound sense of duty, disciplined, and selfless commitment to others, principles instilled through his upbringing and reinforced by a distinguished family tradition of military service, including his father, brother, and uncles. This proud legacy shaped his character and prepared him to honorably answer the call to serve his country. And whereas, drafted in 1967, Sergeant Pizzuro completed basic training at Fort Gordon, Georgia, and subsequently graduated from Fort Bliss, Texas, as a Hawk missile and launcher mechanic. He was then assigned to B Battery, 6th Battalion, 59th Mobile Missile Battalion, in Badahasun, Germany, where he played a vital role in maintaining missile defense readiness with professionalism, technical proficiency, and unwavering dedication to duty. And whereas, following his discharge from military service in 1968, Sergeant Pizzuro has continued a lifetime of distinguished service through his leadership in the American Legion, where he is a 14-year member and currently serves as the first vice president of Post 243, as well as the veteran outreach coordinator. In this role, he leads sustained efforts to visit veterans in six area nursing homes, ensuring they are honored, supported, and never forgotten. Additionally, Sergeant Pizzuro has devoted more than 24 years of volunteer service to the Seminole County Sheriff's Office as a citizen on patrol and search and rescue coordinator. His commitment to community extends further through his civic leadership as past president of the Oak Forest Homeowners Association, probably the most difficult assignment of all, I would guess, whereas Sergeant Pizzuro has brought great credit and distinction upon himself, the United States of America, the United States Army, and Seminole County. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that we, the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, Florida, express our gratitude, admiration, and respect for Sergeant Pizzuro for his outstanding service to the military and the United States Army. Be it further proclaimed that this proclamation is presented to Sergeant Robert Pizzuro, along with our sincere congratulations and recognition as Seminole County's Veteran of the Month, adopted this 12th day of May, 2026. Second. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Hearing none opposed, motion passes unanimously. Sergeant, if you'd like to say a few words, we would be delighted to have you. Thank you. Thank you. Full House. Commissioner, staff, family, and friends, I'm deeply honored and sincerely grateful to be recognized as Seminole County's May Veteran of the Month. The values instilled in me through my family upbringing, combined with discipline and a sense of duty I gained through military service, have shaped the person I am today. Those lessons did not end when I left the uniform behind. They continue to guide me in my civilian life, inspiring me to serve community with the same commitment and purpose and integrity. This recognition is not just a reflection of my journey, but of the many individuals who helped, supported, mentored, and stood by me along the way, especially my wife, Janice. I share this honor with them and all my colleagues. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you for your service and welcome, hon. Our next proclamation, proclaiming May 25, 2026, as Memorial Day in Seminole County, will be read by Commissioner Dilawri. Thank you, Madam Chair. Memorial Day, it's not just a day. It's not just a day of remembrance. It's a day of honoring those who have represented us and fought the fight and paid the ultimate price. Many times, people think about Memorial Day at times as a community events, family gatherings, the start of a season of summer or holiday, but it's much more than that. As we honored our Veteran of the Month here today, it goes a lot deeper than that. It's a debt of respect that can never really be repaid. Every one of us have someone to thank that has served in the military on different levels. All of us have individuals that have somehow touched us, touched our country, and paid the ultimate price. It's truly amazing when you really start thinking about it. So this proclamation that I've been given to read only scratches the surface of the remembrance of those individuals. So it's my great honor to read this proclamation of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners, affirming May 25th, 2026, as Memorial Day here in Seminole County. And whereas on Memorial Day, we pay a solemn tribute to those brave Americans who served under the stars and stripes and laid down their lives to defend our freedom. And whereas more than a century, this holiday has been known as Decoration Day and originally honored those who lost their lives in fighting the Civil War. And whereas following Americans entering into World War I, Memorial Day was involved to commemorate American military personnel who died in all wars, including World War II, Vietnam War, the Korean War, and the wars of Iraq and Afghanistan. And whereas in 1915, after spotting a cluster of poppies, a brigade surgeon was inspired to write the poem in Flanders Field, giving a voice to service members who had died in battle and laid buried beneath the poppy-covered ground. The poem initiated a movement to make poppies a symbol to tribute all those who died in wars and remained as an emblem of remembrance to this day. And whereas Congress, in a joint resolution approved, May 11th, 1950, providing Memorial Day was set aside as a day of prayer for permanent peace and respect. President Truman was issued a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe each Memorial Day in a manner, in this manner. And whereas on Monday, May 25th, will mark the 158th anniversary of Memorial Day. And whereas more than 1.2 million Americans, service members, have died in conflict and more than 8,000 were from Florida. And over 100 were residents of Seminole County, with two Medal of Honor recipients. And whereas today, over 1.3 million Americans serve in active duty, 66,000 of whom were from Florida, while nearly 750,000 Americans served in reserves and the National Guard. And whereas on Memorial Day and every day, the citizens of Seminole County must remember the service men and women who sacrificed their lives to ensure our own. Now, therefore, we proclaim that the Board of Seminole County Commissioners to hereby proclaim and recognize May 25th, 2026, as Memorial Day. We further proclaim that the Board of County Commissioners request that at 3 p.m. on Memorial Day, Seminole County residents voluntarily observe, in their own way, a moment of remembrance and respect, and pause from whatever they're doing, in honor of those heroes and their valor. Adopted this 12th day of May, 2026. Second. Motion is second. All those in favor? Aye. Hearing none opposed. Passes unanimously. Thank you, Commissioner DeLaurie. The next proclamation will be read by Commissioner Zimbauer, and it's proclaiming May 3rd through 9th, 2026, as National Travel and Tourism Week in Seminole County. Thank you, Madam Chair. It's with my great pleasure to enter this proclamation of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners, proclaiming May 3rd through 9th, 2026, as National Travel and Tourism Week in Seminole County, Florida. Whereas the travel and tourism industry plays a vital role in strengthening Seminole County's economy, generating revenue, creating employment opportunities, and enhancing the overall quality of life for residents and visitors alike. And whereas tourism generated over $4.3 billion in economic impact for Seminole County and supports approximately 27,100 jobs for our local residents in 2024. And whereas Seminole County has emerged as a premier destination for sports tourism, welcoming athletes, teams, and spectators for tournaments, training, and events that energize the local economy and showcase the region's top-tier facilities and hospitality. And whereas the county's abundant natural beauty, including its scenic rivers, lush parks, and protected wildlife areas, continues to draw on nature enthusiasts, outdoor adventures, and ecotourists, reinforcing Seminole County's reputation as Florida's natural choice. And whereas tourism in Seminole County provided more than $334 million in state and local taxes in 2024, which resulted in nearly $1,800 annual tax savings for each family household. Whereas in 2025, Seminole County established the state's first countywide tourism improvement district, TID, as a public-private partnership that was designed to create and dedicate funding mechanisms that will enhance our regional sports tourism infrastructure and ensure that Seminole County remains highly competitive in attracting future sporting events to our community. Whereas success of the TID was built on strong collaboration between Seminole County leaders, our sports tourism partners, and our local hoteliers that will drive economic growth, support tourism development, and strengthen our community for years to come. And whereas the continued partnerships between CFHLA, local businesses, government leaders, community stakeholders remains critical to fostering a thriving tourism economy and ensuring Seminole County remains a warm, inviting place for visitors year-round. Whereas the Central Florida Hotel and Lodging Association is the largest regional hospitality association in the United States, representing more than 148,000 hotel rooms throughout the Central Florida region alone, as well as nearly 500 supplier organizations that do business with hospitality and tourism industries. And whereas National Travel and Tourism Week offers a meaningful opportunity in 2026 to honor the accomplishments of Seminole County's travel and tourism community, highlight the continued efforts of CFHLA and its partners, and reaffirm our dedication to growing the county's presence as a must-visit destination. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that we, the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, Florida, do hereby proclaim May 3 through 9, 2026, as National Travel and Tourism Week in Seminole County, Florida, and encourage our residents to support workforce development in the hospitality and tourism industries, and participate in local initiatives highlighting travel importance to our communities' economic growth and the quality of life here in Seminole County, adopted this 12th day, May 2026. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Hearing none opposed, passes unanimously. Thank you. I think this is what we may have been waiting for by the rattles of the medals in the audience. The next one will be read by Commissioner Lockhart. It's a resolution recognizing the 2026 Lake Mary High School cheerleading team as the Florida High School Athletic Association state champions. Yes. Yay. Awesome. Glad to have our Lake Mary Rams in the house today. Thank you for being here. Commissioners, I'd like to move the following resolution of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners recognizing the 2526 Lake Mary High School cheerleading team as state champions. Whereas, Seminole County proudly recognizes the outstanding achievements of its student-athletes and the positive representation they bring to our community through excellence in competition. And whereas, the Lake Mary High School Rams cheerleading team achieved a historic milestone by winning the Florida High School Athletic Association Class 2A Competitive Cheerleading State Championship in 2026. And whereas, the Rams have set an FHSAA record by winning 10 consecutive state competitive cheerleading championships from 2017 to 26, a milestone that has never been accomplished in the history of competitive cheerleading in the state of Florida. And whereas, the team's success reflects the leadership of former head coach Paige Black and current head coach Victoria Jones, whose commitment to excellence, character development, and community pride has played a pivotal role in the program's historic achievement. And whereas, the Lake Mary High School cheerleading team overcame adversity and demonstrated resilience, determination, and composure under pressure, exemplifying the highest ideals of sportsmanship and competitive spirit. And whereas, the championship reflects the dedication of the coaching staff, student-athletes, their families, school administrators, and supporters, whose collective efforts contributed to this remarkable season. And whereas, this achievement has brought significant recognition to Seminole County and serves as an inspiration to youth throughout the community to pursue excellence. Now, therefore, be it resolved that we, the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, Florida, do hereby congratulate the Lake Mary High School cheerleading team for winning the 25-26 FHSAA Class 2A State Championship and extends its sincere congratulations to the cheerleaders, coaches, families, and supporters for this historic accomplishment, adopted this 12th day of May, 2026. Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Hearing none, opposed. It passes unanimously. And now, Commissioner Lockhart and I will do our chair for you. Coach, would you like to say a word? While Coach Black is coming forward, I think, yeah, while Coach Black is coming forward, I will tell you, my daughter, who is now almost 30, was just blessed to have Coach Black as her coach in middle school. And so, your time here has been incredibly rewarding and valuable to our kids for many, many years. So, we appreciate you. Thank you so much. She's going to love that you told her age. She's a young 30. And I wanted to say, yes, I've had the privilege to coach the Lake Mary High School cheer team for the last 12 years. And I wanted to say on behalf of the coaches, the cheerleaders, the parents in the school, thank you for this honor, this recognition today. I really appreciate it. I think, as she just said, pretty much everything about winning the state champion, that this is definitely history being made, winning 10 straight years in a row. That's 10 years of excellence. And I think a lot of people, for those of you that don't know that much about cheerleading, a lot of people say, oh, it's just cheerleading. They also say, oh, Lake Mary, they've done it year after year. They're just going to continue to do it. But cheerleading is truly a sport, and these girls are true athletes. And they have to dedicate, have dedication, hard work. They put so much into this. And the pressure every single year just builds because you're expected to win now. And so I just want to say that they stepped up and did the job that they needed to do. For those of you, again, don't know that much about cheerleading, it's not like football game where you're out there for like two hours. It's a one-time, one-chance, two-minute, 30-second routine that you have to hit perfectly to win. And that's just a lot of pressure on these girls. And this year this team has just done amazing to work hard, sacrifice, in order to step up and win. But not only that, like you were saying earlier, Amy, is that I'm not only proud of these girls as champions on the mat, but these are amazing young ladies just in general. Their teamwork, their role models, most of them are involved in National Honor Society at the school and Spanish Honor Society, they're academic excellence. So they definitely represent Lake Mary well. So I'm super proud of them, and I definitely believe that they're never going to be forgotten for this historic day in here. Thank you. Thank you. And go rounds. Thank you for your leadership. All right. We have one more resolution honoring the retirement of UCF Senior Associate Vice President for Government and Community Relations, Mr. Fred Kittinger. And this will be read by Commissioner Constantine. Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I would be remiss to say to the ladies of Lake Mary, Lake Mary. You need to stop while you're ahead. Stop. Stop. That UCF's cheerleading squad is in the top five every single year, so I hope some of you are going there. All right. There we go. Thank you very much. And also, thank you very much for the pineapples from the guys over at the tourism. Thank you very much. I am very honored to make a motion on this resolution because this has been a friend of mine for over 40 years. And sit down and relax, everybody. I hope you have a cup of coffee or whatever because we had to cut this resolution down. It didn't fit on one page. So it's a long one, but it's worthy of everything that is said in it. And so I will move the resolution of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners recognizing the retirement of Fred Kittinger. Whereas a proud alumnus of the University of Central Florida class of 80, Fred earned a Bachelor's of Arts with honors and later a Master's of Public Administration from Florida State University, reflecting his lifelong commitment to learning and leadership. And whereas Fred Kittinger has dedicated more than four decades to public affairs, higher education, civil engagement, serving as a steadfast advocate for collaboration among government, community organizations, and the private sector. And whereas Fred served as the Chief of Staff for the Orlando Mayor, Glenda Hood, providing eight years of exemplary leadership in municipal government and later held roles as Vice President for Government Affairs and Executive Director of the Small Business Chamber for Greater Orlando Chamber of Commerce after beginning his public service career as a legislative aide to State Senator George Stewart, Jr. And whereas in 2003, he was approached by Senior Vice President Emeritus Dan Holstenbeck and Board of Trustees Charter Member Patrick Christensen regarding an opportunity at the University of Central Florida working with local governments, an opportunity that led to his long and impactful tenure at the university. And whereas throughout his career at UCF, Fred strengthened partnerships across Orange County, the City of Orlando, Seminole County, and the broader Central Florida region, advancing collaboration among the university, local governments, public agencies, and community stakeholders to support economic development, workforce pipelines, research initiatives, and regional innovation, and played a vital role in advancing major institutional milestones, including the College of Medicine, the Florida Interactive Entertainment Academy, the UCF Downtown Expansion of the Business Incubator Program, and key infrastructure investments. And whereas Fred demonstrated a deep commitment to student success through the UCF Legislative Scholars Program, which he helped establish and guide alongside of Dan Holstenbeck and Allison Schultz, creating an immersive experience in which students gained firsthand exposure to the legislative process in Tallahassee and since its inception in 2005, more than 320 students have participated. And whereas he further supported student achievement through his service as an adjunct instructor at the University of Central Florida's School of Public Administration, and together with his wife of 43 years, established the Fred and Sandra Kittinger Scholarship Fund in 2020 to support graduate students in public administration, and whereas his civic leadership extends across Central Florida through service on numerous boards and organizations, including Junior Achievement of Central Florida, Orange County Research and Development Authority, Orlando After School All-Stars, and past leadership roles in Tiger Bay of Central Florida, and the Coalition for the Homeless and the University's Alumni Association. And whereas in April 22, 2026, Fred concluded nearly 23 years of service to the University of Central Florida as Senior Associate Vice President for Government and Community Relations and Director of State and Local Government, marking the culmination of a distinguished career. And whereas he is supported by his devoted family, including his wife, Sondra B. Kittinger, their daughter, Elisa, and granddaughter, Paisley, who bring him great joy and pride. Now, therefore, be it resolved, we, the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners, hereby recognize and honor Fred Kittinger for his exceptional career in service, leadership, and dedication to the University of Central Florida and the Central Florida community, and that his legacy of collaboration, mentorship, and institutional advancement will continue to be strengthened in the region for generations to come. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Hearing none opposed, it passes unanimously. Mr. Kittinger, would you like to have a word? Thank you so much, Madam Chairman. Good morning, Commissioners Lockhart, Delari, Commissioner Zimbauer, and, of course, the original Mr. UCF Lee Constantine. Thanks, Commissioner Constantine. If the good Lord wants to call me home today, I think we just had the eulogy read, so it's probably as good a time as any. But, Madam Chair, just 15 seconds of personal privilege, especially while we have the Lake Mary state champions here. We're also lucky to have in the room some coaching loyalty that comes out of Lake Mary, probably the best-known coach in the state of Florida and definitely well-known to Lake Mary. That's their former soccer coach, state champion, Larry McCorkle, my cousin, is here today. Hello. I'll probably be taken off the Christmas card list for that. Commissioners, Madam Chair, on the way over here today when I was crossing the bridge on the 417 across Lake Jessup, it reminded me of all the times I've come up here to Seminole County to meet with you all, your predecessors, and your staff, about so many different projects and partnerships. And just for the audience, I want them to realize how closely intertwined UCF and Seminole County are together. The incubator system that was talked on earlier is recognized as the best in the state and it's the best in the nation. One of the shining jewels in that crown is the Seminole County incubator and a soft landing program, one of the best that you'll find in Central Florida, one of the best you'll find in the country. We've also had a long-term partnership with the medical school. A lot of folks don't realize Seminole County was one of the first endorsers and funders of the UCF College of Medicine because you realized what it meant to growing that economic sector of health care and life sciences. Just recently, when it comes to economic development, you all recognized the role that modeling simulation training takes place here in Central Florida. We have the nation's largest cluster with envy of so many other communities, but you recognize the importance that it plays here in Central Florida. Not too long ago, you all helped support the creation and launching of Legacy Point, and now we're working with your staff as we go through the next phase of growth for Legacy Points. And when it comes to our students, you are one of the biggest supporters of our emergency management students' internships. Every year, there are lots of our students, undergraduate and graduate students, that come to your emergency management program here in Seminole County, which is one of the best ones in the state. It, I think, is a large contributor to the fact that our graduate program in emergency management is ranked number one in the nation. My point being, these partnerships are so important to UCF and I believe to Seminole County. One of my former bosses, Jacob Stewart, said, we don't do collaborations because they're easy. We do them because they make us better. And I'm convinced those collaborations, those projects, those partnerships between Seminole County and UCF have made both UCF and Seminole County better. I'm honored to be here today. I'm humbled by the proclamation. I think I should have turned the table. The proclamation should have been given to you all for your partnerships with UCF. But I still greatly appreciate the chance to be here today. And lastly, I want to recognize your tremendous staff. I have 44 years of work and I've worked with a lot of staffs around the state, state-level, local, cities, counties, et cetera. You all have one of the very, very best. I've known for years and worked with the years with Darren Gray, with Tricia Johnson, with Kate Latour, both here and in Orange County. And, of course, with Guy, who has no last name because he's like Cher, Madonna, Bono. It's just Guy. But your staff, public administrators and professionals, they are rock solid. And I hope your constituents appreciate just what a strong team you all built here. Again, thank you. I wish you both individually as well as collectively the best as you continue to lead Seminole County and Central Florida. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Thank you for your service. Thank you very much. Thank you. was always promoting the issue and not himself. And Fred, I'm going to tell you, it went very noticed. And we cannot thank you enough for all the wonderful things that you've done for this county and this region. You are truly, truly a legend that will not be forgotten. And this is just a small thank you. We cannot even begin to say how much thank you because your fingerprint and your footsteps are on so many different places that I can remember when I was first starting out in the 90s. You were the one that actually helped me and helped make me understand what economic development was about, what partnership was about, what UCF. I mean, it just was on and on and on and on. I cannot thank you enough for your leadership, your guidance, and your friendship. Thank you. Thank you. Have a wonderful day. All right, Commissioners. Commissioner Lockhart stepped out for a minute. We're going to move to additions, deletions, and modifications. I'll go to the county manager first. Thank you. Madam Chairman, Commissioners, just two correct changes to the consent agenda. Item number seven under the county manager's consent agenda, I'd like to move that one at the interlocal agreements with the municipalities, move that under my report this afternoon. As you all know, there were a couple meetings last night, and we just need to update a couple of agreements, so I'll bring those back this afternoon. And then item 12, I would like to pull, and I'll be bringing that one back to the board. And other than that, no other changes. Thank you. Commissioner Lockhart had nothing to pull. Commissioners, is there anything to pull? I have nothing. No, ma'am. With that, I'll entertain a motion. Madam Chair. Public comment. Public comment. No public comment. No public comment. Thank you. Madam Chair, I'm prepared to make a motion. Please do. I move the approval of consent agenda for items number six, eight through 11, 13 through 26. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Hearing none, the motion passes unanimously. That takes us to the regular agenda. The first up is Chief Kinley with the Fire and Capital Improvement Plan. And real quick, Madam Chairman, Commissioners, as Chief Kinley is getting prepared for his presentation, normally we would do this type of presentation during our budget work sessions. However, since this is going to be pretty lengthy, we thought we would save some time and do it early for the Commission and get your feedback on our plan. Fabulous. Take it away, Chief. So, good morning. For the record, Matt Kinley, Fire Chief, Selma County Fire Department. And we're here to talk about our five-year capital improvement plan within the Fire Department. The purpose of this is to provide an update on SCFD's five-year capital improvement plan for construction, demonstrate the return on a prior millage investment, present projects based on demand and cost escalation, and seek board approval of the CIP. You'll see the agenda will go through the background, the past 10 years of return on your investment, call load trending, capital improvement plan for construction, and future capital improvements. So, with the background, back in 2017, the board helped out the fire department and the citizens by raising the millage to invest in our infrastructure and our fleet. At the time, coming out of a downturn, our facilities were in disrepair and we were having challenges with our fleet and their reliability. In that nearly 10 years, the citizens' return on investment has shown three new fire stations constructed, over 32 major facility upgrades and projects for modernization, fleet expansion to meet the service demand, along with achieving an ISO 1 rating, result being faster response times, improve reliability, and enhance public safety. Just to hit some of the highlights of the major projects, we've had eight stations with window replacements upgraded to hurricane-rated windows. Obviously, our firefighters are in those stations during hurricanes. Nine bathroom upgrades are the makeup of our firefighters has changed over time and having the communal bathrooms just no longer is an appropriate way of doing business. Six kitchen renovations, three HVAC system upgrades, two roof replacements, two floor and interior improvements, four stations with driveway replacements, and we continue to do that. We've added two aerial-style trucks and quints to our fleet. That helps get the ladder service on scene and the appropriate time for ISO ratings. We've added another tower truck, aerial platform, an airboat, two engines for 39 and 29, two rescues for 39 and 29, and we've rotated through our entire fleet. We have a very, very reliable fleet. So I want to go through our construction since 2017. As we're going through this, I want you to pay particular attention to the construction costs and the build times. Station 29, which was built in November of 2017, in the Jamestown Aloma area, took 13 months of build time, $3.6 million in cost. The return on investment is a 35% improvement in response times in that area. It was definitely a hole within the county. We have station 11 in the Altamont area. This was a partnership with the city of Altamont. They provided us $2 million in the land. It was the old post office property to be able to move the station over there. One of the biggest challenges we had with that station is it being two-story, is in their administrative complex, and it worked. It just took a long time to get to the fire trucks. This is one of the few stations we still had with poles, and very long poles in some areas coming out of the bunk room. It just took a long time to get to the trucks. What we've seen there, a build time of three years and 10 months, a total cost of $5.3 million. As you can see, this is starting to creep up, and an 18% improvement in turnout times, and a turnout time being from the time they get the call to the time that the truck is rolling. The third station, Station 39, out in the Payola area, build time of two years and three months. Total cost, almost $11 million. Improved coverage in that area in response times. We've experienced a 22% improvement in the response times. That station added a tower truck, an engine, a rescue, and soon-to-be traffic attenuator, the blocking vehicle that was approved in this year's budget. We've received delivery of that, and we're just outfitting it with all the technology that will help to keep our firefighters safe on the roadways. I know in my 25 years, the closest I've ever come to injury, the scaredest I've ever been as a company officer that my crew was hurt was on the roadways. Fires, we train for that all the time. Roadways, we cannot control the public being safe. Equipment, so cost of trucks across the board has nearly doubled or more. Back in 2018, we're just under $600,000 for a truck. Now we're almost at $1.2 million. That's just the cost of the truck. That doesn't include the equipment. This continues to escalate. As you know, we did in the past order trucks early when we were experiencing three and four percent increases every two to three months. We've saved a total of nearly $2 million in ordering trucks early. That has stabilized. We're now experiencing across all of them about a three to four percent increase every year, which is normal. That's what we've experienced in the past, but obviously it's a three, four percent off of a much bigger number. Rescues, an 80 percent increase. We will experience with our rescues. So back in 2017, when I was the EMS chief, we switched to a different style of truck, the Braun truck. That box that you see where the patient compartment is at is all aluminum welded together. It's one piece. We'll experience a 20 percent savings. We're looking at fiscal year 28 with every rescue that we get from then on because we're able to refurb. We can pull that box off of the back of that truck, re-chassis it, not only saving that 20 percent, which is about $80,000 to $90,000, but also getting it back much quicker. We're still at two-year build times on these rescues that we could get it back in six to eight months. So we're very much looking forward to that. Our tower trucks, which is not something we buy all the time, about every three to four years, we look at replacing one instead of every year. It's doubled and then some. It's just a specialty unit that we need to have, but those costs don't stop. So what did all this get us? Outside of a great service and great response times, we've achieved every accolade that you possibly can in the fire service and in reality the emergency medical service. One of the goals initially was ISO 1 and we have achieved that. That means to the citizen, to the businesses in Seminole County, potential of reduced insurance rates. I know after we received an ISO 1, I had one of our local citizens that comes in on a regular basis who told the story and it made my heart feel good because I was afraid he was going to kill me. This ISO 1 and it doesn't mean anything and then he called his insurance company and they said he was going to get a reduction and he couldn't have been more thrilled. I think his comment was the first time he's seen government do what they actually said they were going to do. So I was very happy. He's not here right now. No, he's not back there. So that was great. One of our first accreditations that we got was CAS and that's on the ambulance side of the business and I'd like to take the just a moment to announce that we have been here recently told that we have been re-accredited for the fifth time with CAS with a perfect score. That's a testament to the commitment that this board, the county manager's office and our crews have in this organization. Without all that working together, we just can't achieve these things. We've also, and I call this getting the master's degree, the CFAI accreditation. That's the fire accreditation. One of the most difficult ones to get. It's all about continuous improvement and we continue to do that. Outside of the re-accreditation of CAS, most recently our comm center received ACE accreditation. So chat GPT verified. We are the only fire department in the country that has all of those accreditation. If you take ACE out of it, we're one of seven that have the other three. That's a big deal. Of those seven, there's only one other county in there of our size. It's a very difficult thing to do. And it's a testament, again, to the men and women in our department and all the great things that they do. So on with the agenda, call load and trending. Obviously, you know response times are one of our major drivers. Looking at the past four years, we've had a stabilization of our call load. You see we're right around 50,000 calls the last four years. Our population has not stopped coming in and we've taken some time to verify by data and also hypothesize of why this may be. It's interesting that you look at 2022 as the year that it's that it started to level off. That's also the same year that we instituted community paramedicine from board direction. That has been, there's very few things I've seen in the fire service that are universally loved and there's not anybody down to the ground to the troops that have anything negative to say. They love this program. We love this program. The citizens love this program. What it has done is virtually, if not completely, eliminate the high utilizers of the 911 system. Our crews identify who they think needs assistance beyond just us responding to their house and our community paramedicine crews go out there and connect them to all the phenomenal services that are within Seminole County to get them the assistance that they need, often which is not 911 or an ER. That has completely stopped our high utilizers. You get a couple of calls, they get referred, and we stop that from happening any longer and improve the quality of life for that citizen. Other things that we, again, can use data. If you look over this span of time, we've experienced a 500 call decrease in motor vehicle accidents. We hypothesize of why that may be. We have connected vehicle technology. We have cars now that yell at you when you're about to, you're getting too close to somebody. I hate my wife's car. And keep you within your lane. We have equipment within the trucks through a partnership with DOT, a multimillion dollar project. We're utilizing the Haas system that warns people when they're approaching an auto accident that we're at or that we're approaching behind them. All of these different things contribute to that call load stabilizing. You start adding in the ER in every corner. Telehealth. All these different ways that people can access services without calling 911. It's more convenient. In the long run, it's cheaper. They're utilizing that. You sprinkle in a little prevention and community outreach. And that's why we believe that our call load has stabilized. So now I'm going to go into our capital improvement for the next five years. This is a focus on needs, not wants. We had a much more aggressive capital improvement plan over the years, looking at call load increasing three, seven thousand calls a year. That just hasn't happened. So we're resetting to go with just what we need while obviously keeping the service that we provide at the forefront. One of the biggest changes, as you saw as we went through the other slides of our accomplishments, you saw those build times continuing to increase. The county has chosen to do a different way of doing construction and the construction manager at risk. Rather than hard bids, we get a relationship with the contractor with the hopes that we'll have projects on time, better cost controls. This all because we're allowing early contractor involvement. So our first one, which we were all at the other day, Station 25 and Castleberry. We've already had the groundbreaking on that. Originally built in 1975, $13.9 million estimated cost, estimated completion of April 2027. Partnership with the city of Castleberry, who we have the interlocal agreement that we took over fire services for them. They've donated the land, which is next to their new police headquarters, and we're putting the new fire station there. Anybody who knows this fire station, right at the end of the flyover coming onto Redbug, it's an awful spot. Old building, it's the crew is overly excited about the prospects of moving into their new building. The next project is the fire training center living quarters. This is a 2,000, 2,500 square foot replacement structure. If you remember a few years ago, we had a double wide trailer that was out here. It has since was such disrepair. We had mold, there was rats, and it has never been replaced. So we need a living quarters out there. We have a lot of other infrastructure. We have tens of millions of dollars of apparatus and equipment out there. So one of the questions that I get asked when you start talking to 2,000, 2,500 square foot structure at 2 million plus is why is this different than residential construction? So there's a lot of reasons. The one key term is an essential building. You have an essential building versus residential construction. When you're looking at versus, residential construction has to withstand through the building code 140 mile an hour winds. That's right about the point where we stop running calls because of the wind speeds have gotten so high. A commercial structure has to withstand 170 mile an hour winds. That 30 miles an hour is significant. It requires more infrastructure as far as building materials, building supplies, engineering, all of which costs more and more money. Also with this particular project, we're having to engage with St. Johns River permitting. Again, we're early in on this. We're not even quite to 30% plans. So a lot of this is estimations of worst case scenarios. Just had a meeting here this week that we're already, okay, here's $200,000 we can knock off. Here's another 150. But there's a lot of infrastructure that's involved with this. We may need to, again, anticipating, may not have to, may need to, underground exfiltration for this particular site. The spot where it is at is gravel, which under the previous building codes was considered a pervious surface. Now it's not. So when we put that building there, we have to worry about storm water. Residential doesn't have to deal with storm water. We have to consider the storm water. When it comes to contractors, so the contractors aren't the same. When you have residential construction versus this type of construction, it's not the same contractors. The costing is different. The insurance requirements are different. Just working with the county, the process, paperwork, the billing is all different. It adds time. It adds manpower. It just, it adds personnel services. And that's before we even get to design. I already talked about all the, it's a much stronger building. HVAC system. In your residential home, you have basically the tubing that goes in that you're able to move around. In a building like this, it has to be the, the more rigid with different types of filtration. All of this drives the cost to be more. That's before design. That's, that's after design. Because design now takes on all of those extras and even coming to a point where we can start to build the structure. On to my favorite one. Station 23 off Howe Branch is our oldest station. It's older than I am. If you look, I wish Mr. Horvath was here. This was the, the station when Mr. Horvath called and says he's fired back in time. This was his volunteer fire station in the Howe Branch District. If you look where the apparatus were parked, that first block part, that was the original station. Everything else we've added on. We've just recently got to a point with our fire truck design that we don't have to buy a special fire truck specifically for this station because the depth of the bay is so, was so short. We've for decades had to buy a special truck that had a shorter wheelbase. We, we've changed our design so we don't have to do that anymore. It floods. It's got the bathroom problem. It just doesn't meet the makeup for our workforce. So you see the wooded lot, which is directly across the street. We already have that. We've had kickoff of design of that station. We're hoping to be able to leverage bringing it right off of Howe Branch so that we can take advantage of the mast arm that is already there. That could say, that has potential to save us a half a million dollars in the construction of it. But we're again, early in on that process. Station 36 in Heathrow, Lake Mary Boulevard, Markham Woods Road, originally built in 1985. Small station. You see the unique design that was in collaboration with the citizens of Heathrow and that's why it looks the way that it does. I was having a very interesting conversation with Chief Kaiser the other day who oversaw the building of this station and he just reminded me that this was designed to add a third bay, which we want to do. We also need to expand the living quarters to accommodate not only the personnel that are there today, but personnel going into the future. This one we are asking from what we currently have loaded into the budget to add a million dollars to the cost of renovating that. Next station is Station 24 in Winter Springs. As you know, we have an interlocal agreement and merged with the City of Winter Springs Fire Department, built in 1975. We're looking to also add a million dollars to what's currently locked and loaded for this station. We call this one the house of doors. It's awful. It's so spread out. This not only was their fire department, but it was also their administrative building. So going out to, if you're looking at it to the right, that was all administrative offices and there's doors absolutely everywhere. We need to gut it and reconfigure it to help not only with the living conditions, but also getting them closer to the bay for their for their turnout times. Last we're looking at Station 42 out in Geneva. This is currently in the current CIP as a renovation. We've taken a long hard look at this, engaged with multiple contractors and designers, trying to figure out if we can expand this to our need on the current site. And the answer is no. It's a very tight site. There's a giant retention in the back that we can't make smaller. This needs to be a rebuild and relocate. This is what I call a specialty station that's out in the woods. This is a base of operations for everything that happens out in the rural area when we have hurricanes, flooding, brush fires. This is where everybody goes. Currently at that station, we have an engine, a rescue, a tanker, a woods truck, an air boat. And this is often where one of our high water vehicles gets deployed, which ends up just pulling in on the side of the building, doesn't matter what the weather is. With all that equipment comes personnel. They're busting at the seams. This is something that we need. We're proposing to do a relocate, rebuild, rather than just renovate. There's multiple properties that are available in the area, which we're looking into. Just waiting for after this meeting to pull any triggers on those discussions. We're talking a little under $10 million to add to that budget. So five-year plan, at a glance, we're looking at six projects, nearly $60 million, two station renovates, along with relocates of three stations, plus the fire training center, and a fleet investment of just under $30 million. So at this point, that's what we're proposing to do in five years. Now looking into the future, and there is no timeline on any of this. This is just things that we anticipate as a need as our call load rises, if and when it does. Land being a priority. We gotta get land. So the first station, Station 10 out in the Altamont area. You see out in the 434 Maitland Boulevard corridor. There used to be a Station 10 out there back with the merger with Altamont. There was a double-wide trailer. It was a rescue only. That was in our local that it would go away after two years, and it did. Since then, we all know the development that has gone out there. Station 13, which you see to the west, is the current trucks that respond into that area, and they can get into some of that area in a reasonable amount of time. But it's not even just about that first call. It's about the second call, because once they go in there, it is completely barren on that side of the county. It takes a long time for Station 16 or 12 to respond into that area. We're often moving trucks up, which we're splitting up resources. This would be the priority need in the future as our call load rises. Station 28 in Winter Springs. We currently have land at Tuscawilla and 434. Again, we all know the development that's going on around there. You drill down into Winter Springs, the call load has stabilized just like everywhere else. But as more people move into the county, again, we see that as a need going into the future. We already own that land. Station 19, unincorporated in the Longwood area at Lake Emma and Longwood Hills. We currently own land there. It's a small piece of property. It would not do our prototype three-bay station. We'd have to do something different. Again, looking at call load, watching the need. We're not quite there yet. Station 18 in the Rolling Hills area, where our new park is going to be and that infrastructure building. We're anticipating that with that improved infrastructure that many of those homes are going to be expanded and you're going to see newer families moving into that area, which brings more people, which brings call load. We do need land. Station 43 in Chuliotta, the other side of the other part of our rural fire stations. On a small piece of property, small station, engine, rescue, tanker, woodstruck, UTV, they're all currently there. We are at the breaking point. We start adding any additional resources there. We definitely need to expand. Again, watching the call load in the area, dependent upon just everything, all the development that's happening out there and when that happens. Station 22 in Fern Park. If you remember, this was on a previous CIP as a much higher need. Our intention was to replace and put a tower truck there for all the development that was looking like it was going to happen around there. Not that it's not going to, but with the movement of Station 25, which has a tower truck, and the improved road network that's happened through there, specifically on Oxford Road, Station 25 can get in there fairly quickly for a tower truck, not as a primary unit. So what we proposed and what was approved is that Station 25 in 2028, we will put an engine into service there. We can then take that tower, which is really operating as a quint right now from the merger. It's not a quint, it's a tower. It can do what it's designed to do, which is to be a tower and the fire truck can be a fire truck, and that tower will then be available to be able to respond into that area. That keeps us from having to build a whole new fire station anytime soon. Lastly is Station 30 out in the Paola, the northeast part or northwest part of the county, out Yankee Lake and beyond. Again, I know in my career when I went out to 34, which was my first station, there wasn't anything. There was a mobile gas station across the street and that was it. Wow, it's different. And as that continues to creep, more people move in, more businesses come in, we see a need in the future for Station 30. I would like to mention that we have property at Yankee Lake, which would be perfect for that station. So next steps. What we're asking for is that we adopt the five-year CIP as part of the fiscal year 27 budget process. As the county manager said, doing this now rather than doing it during that because of the length of it, provide any direction and feedback and give us direction to continue to monitor cost escalations and needs and we'll adjust annually. And that's all I have. Thank you. Questions? Commissioner Zindler? I move that we adopt the five-year CIP with an annual update. I think we need to go to public comment. I'll second it for discussion and public comment. We have a motion and a second. Any public comment? No, ma'am. So no requests. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Madam Chair? Thank you, Madam Chair. First of all, Chief, I want to say thank you to you, but I'd like to most importantly say thank you for the people behind you, not physically behind you, but actually providing all this data and analysis and all the hard work that they do, all the men and women. I think it's a good presentation. I think the five-year CIP is spot on. The only emphasis that I want to make sure that we talk about is that, as we all know, land as we are developing does become a premium. So I'd like to make sure that if there's opportunities out there that we look at that, not build them, but secure the property so that we can make sure that we're moving forward at the appropriate time when you and your staff and the county manager staff believe that we should pull the trigger. That's just, I think, prudent because otherwise you're buying commercial property or residential property and have to take something down. I'd rather not do that, but I want to plan for the future as we've done in the past many times. And again, I commend you for the hard work and the dedication and your staff. Further comments? Yes, Commissioner Lockhart. I wanted to, there's two parts to this presentation and I think that we want to make sure, at least for my purposes, the CIP that you're proposing is currently within proposed revenue estimates of the county. Is that correct? Yes, that's correct. So there's nothing that's being proposed in that five-year capital improvement plan that a board two, three, four, five years from now will get caught unawares and go, well, wait a minute. We don't, we don't have in our revenue projections the ability to pay for any of this. It keeps us at approximately actually a little bit higher 20% reserves. Fabulous. I think that was important to get on the record. I do have a question about one of the pieces of property that you have identified that we already own. And if this is a follow-up answer, that's perfectly fine. The one in Longwood on Lake Emma. Yep. That's across from the Publix. I think we have owned that for a long, long time. Yes. Have, was it originally purchased to be a fire station? Yes. Okay. And has our prototype changed? Is that why it's not the right size? It was never the right size and we did not have a prototype then. I'm going to be sorry I asked that question, aren't I? So how are we going to make sure we don't buy the wrong size piece of property moving forward? We know the size that we need, which is two and a half acres at a minimum to again fit our prototype. If there's, so like station 10, that's very challenging out in that area. We're looking at partnerships potentially with SSC. We'll see how those things work out. If we have to buy a smaller piece of property, it just will not, we won't be able to utilize our prototype and we'll have to design something different. We can do it. It all depends on infrastructure. Like station 11 was in reality built on just under two acres of land, but it already had storm water. And that's the key, that we have to hold our own water. It depends on what the infrastructure is in the area. If there's a retention pond that's nearby that has capacity that we could potentially utilize, the land need goes down. But assuming that we need to build the station and retain our own water, two and a half acres of land is the minimum. Okay. And then we talked about our collaboration with the cities for whom we have agreements to do their fire for them, like Winter Springs and Castleberry, but and Altamont. But for cities like Longwood, where we're talking about doing some movement of some stations in and around their area that may affect their service and their service delivery to the community. Are we actively engaged in conversations with them so that we are not playing in each other's sandboxes unintentionally? Where are we with those kinds of conversations moving forward? So the fire chiefs meet every month. And yes, we have these conversations on what we're planning to do, what is actually happening, because planning and actually happening are two different things. But 100%, if somebody is putting a station or a resource somewhere, it affects everyone else. And completely changes the dynamic of what is in the best interest of the county as a whole. Again, and you know this, that we work in what is a unique first response system. We don't recognize borders. We utilize each other's apparatus by GPS location, the closest, most appropriate unit goes. So trying to put the chess pieces all in the best spot while being separate organizations takes a lot of collaboration. We appreciate you doing it. And I think it's really important that the county manager continue those, not just with the fire chiefs, but that the city and county managers really dive deep into these conversations as we plan moving forward. And actually, I was going to comment on that. And they're, you know, they have a new city manager there that just started this past year. Who was their fire chief? He was Maitland's fire chief. Maitland's fire chief. Him and I have already been in some conversations about that. Great. All right. Thank you. Those are all my questions. Commissioner Zendauer, could you have your hand up? I would. Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. On station 42, and I don't need an answer from the county manager right now. I would just ask that we have a very candid conversation with Volusia County that since we are utilizing that station to service a significant portion of their southeastern corridor of their county, maybe they should write a check. Okay. As a prop chair. Absolutely. Before we continue down that dialogue. Yes. Otherwise, they would need to build their own station to the tune of what we're seeing here. And they don't have that dense population down in that corridor. So, I think that's a conversation we should be having. Absolutely. And the conversations that we had about a couple years ago about them increasing their funding for the operation of us responding there, that you all had asked Chief and I to go and talk. Correct. Which we did. They did and they were very collaborative. Yes. They need us in that area. Correct. That's a good point. Yeah. I would definitely do that. Thank you. Commissioner Constantine. Thank you very much. I just wanted to tell you, Chief, you know, promises made, promises delivered. And I appreciate very much. I think it's worthy that we point out what you indicated before about the honors and the accolades, the certificates that this fire department has received. That is unprecedented. And to be the only one in the nation, it's hard to put your arms around that. But I just, again, wanted you and everyone, as Commissioner DeLore said, behind you, to know how important that is and how really grateful we are that you have done that. I mean, many of us were in, up here on the dais when we had to ask for an increase in ad valorem when we were talking about the fire department. And I recall the angst of so many individuals in the community that, oh my God, it's, it's, it's not going to be worth anything. The fire department's fine. We don't need anything. I recall one person huffing and puffing, bringing thousands and thousands of, of petitions down, which turned out to be less than hundreds and, you know, and also form letters pretty much. And today, you know, everything that you and, and the department said would happen has happened, including what you indicated with the individual that said that their insurance is reduced. And we, we tried to sell it on that and it worked. And I just wanted to tell you, it is important when people recognize that the government does deliver. So thank you very much. And the boots on the ground. We, we have, it's humbling as a fire chief to have such a dedicated workforce. They are, bar none, they are phenomenal on every aspect of this all hazards fire department. So thank you commissioners. I do have a couple of comments. Uh, first of all, for county manager's office, I, I think the, if we're the only one, we need better public relations around that. And I realized that the PIO for your operation does that. We need to be doing that as well. We should, this should be on every single thing. We print every single thing we put like, um, chief Kinley. I appreciate you explaining the 2,500 feet at $2.5 million. Cause I think my head came unglued while we were talking about, you gotta walk me through the math. This math doesn't math. And I do understand it's commercial. Uh, and I still do think there's opportunities there. I think as we're building these facilities, what I, what I am hearing, uh, for the people that are in residence there is that appropriate tech versus high tech needs to be analyzed. You and I have had that conversation. I'm just getting it on the record. Um, every time they move, the lights come on, et cetera. So some of the stuff that we've been engaging with recently, uh, I do think we own land in rolling Hills. And I did bring this up in our briefing around the idea of we need to be figuring out if we have any land that we can use and then marking it for that now. Same with Yankee Lake. Like let's get that dedicated. I do have a question as to whether or not we should think about a second prototype, not a new prototype, but a second prototype that as we build in more urban areas that don't take up the acreage that needs to be taken up, if it can be, and I'm not saying we have to discuss that now, but we at least need to think about it. So there is a plan, uh, conceptually that when we do that, that would be the prototype. Once we build a, once we're going to build one, we need to build one that's different. Uh, that would be our second prototype moving forward. So, so I'm a chicken and egg conversation. I'm not sure which comes first because that means we're buying land that may or may not fit a prototype that we haven't built and we're retrofitting. I would rather have a prototype and then source the land. So for future thought. Um, and then the last comment that I'll make is that this is a CIP. I think anything that you need to continue to shore up the paramedicine program that's clearly saving us on this is going to be in your regular budget discussion. Yes. Okay. Just wanted that on the record. With that, commissioners, any further discussion? We've already clarified that there's no public comment. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Hearing none opposed. It passes unanimously. Thank you so much, chief. Thank you. Thank you. The next item on our agenda is the indoor facility update with Rick Derr, parks and recreation director at the helm. And chairman and commissioners, we're going to have them sit at the table since this may be a lengthy discussion, so there may be multiple speakers so they don't have to get up and down. And how about while we're assimilating and getting ready, is there any public comment for this? I believe we do have speaker forms for this, so we may get you teed up to read the public comment notification at the point they're ready. Sure. We're settling in. So yes, let's be efficient. Thank you. Florida law provides that members of the public shall be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard on propositions before the board of county commissioners, except when the board is acting on emergency or ministerial matters or conducting a meeting exempt from the requirements of the sunshine law. Individuals shall be permitted three minutes each for public comment or six minutes when the individual is an official representative of a formal association or group. The chairman may modify the maximum time for public comment at her sole discretion when appropriate. Public comments on quasi-judicial or other public hearing items will not be heard during the board's consideration of those will be heard during the board's consideration of those items this afternoon. Public comments on pending procurement matters or on non-agenda items shall not be permitted at this time. Members of the public desiring to make comment must fill out a speaker form and present the form to staff, and forms are available in the lobby. Madam Chair. Thank you so much. Mr. Durr, we'll turn it over to you. All right, I'll actually start. Or Mr. Swenson. Good morning, Chairman and Commissioners. Christian Swenson, Assistant County Manager. Those you need to speak into. Okay, fair enough. I'll move it closer. Hopefully that's better. I'm going to start with the agenda and then I'll kind of lay out, you know, who all's here and who's speaking at what point. So obviously you've heard I'm here. I'm going to be speaking about the recap of the retreat we had on March 10th, then Rick Durr, the Parks and Recreation Director. We'll be talking about item two, the potential land purchases, the building update, and things like that. Guy Cunha, the Economic Development Director, and Tim Jex, the Budget Director, will be talking about item three, project funding and return on investment update. And then we'll just return to item four, the requested actions of the board. So with that, I will get started on the recap of March 10th. So obviously it's a recap and a lot of this information is for the viewing public and things like that. So I apologize for the redundancy that may be with y'all, but for other folks it may be fresh. So I'll get started with just the site location of the facility that we're talking about. We're looking at a site for the indoor sports complex that is north and east of the Boomba Sports Complex on Lake Mary Boulevard. So as you see in the lower left-hand corner of this slide, there is a kind of a hot pink color. That's the location we're talking about. It's just off of Moore Station Road. This is a facility that will host a variety of events or could host a variety of events. They will be potentially sports events such as basketball, volleyball, and other indoor events, as well as events such as graduations in the community and other special events. And I wanted to pause just briefly on the graduation aspect. In the retreat there was a lot of discussion about what was presented, the size of the facility, and things like that. What we're showing you today will accommodate the largest high school in the county. And there's been a lot of conversations amongst a variety of staff, even including County Manager Gray and Superintendent Beeman and a variety of other staff to make sure there's a potential for partnerships and things like that. So I just wanted to bring that right on out. So at the retreat we talked about an approach that was multi-purpose, flexible, expandable, could do a whole host of amenities, as well as accommodate things that were not just sporting events, as I mentioned previously, and also kind of focus on community need events as well. Things like post-sheltering activities and things like that in the community. So we looked at the site and this is a closer area of the site. The site that we own as a county is the the site that has the yellow dashed line around it, but we talked about the expandability of that potentially to the west, and you'll see kind of a white block next to it with some 14 acres that was discussed as part of that conversation. We'll get into a bit more than in a minute. Also at that retreat we looked at three building options and they weren't static. They gave concepts so that conversations could be developed from that. So we presented an option one which we call the Pizzuti drawing. It was a a building that had multiple rooms in it and allowed multiple things to be going on at the same time. Potentially more than just one event, but could expand to one large one large event. Also in that concept we brought forward it was a more durable construction, more energy efficient construction and that was to stimulate conversation. We also presented a second option which was the Lake Point indoor sports complex and that was a drawing that you'd seen previously. It's a larger building, metal building type construction, arguably a little less durable, a little less energy efficient and things like that. And then the third option we discussed was a TID budget only option and we we looked at backing into that program to say what would it buy. So those were the things that we discussed there. The board in that in that meeting liked option one the Pizzuti drawing and here's a picture of it. In that meeting there was a series of overlay drawings that showed how it convert for a bunch of different stuff. I'm not going to go through all that now but as you see from the top of the drawing, the drawing allows for eight basketball courts at the top and then kind of a convertible championship area at the at the bottom in the bottom of the L area as well as some multi-purpose rooms and things like that with it. In those conversations we also presented a series of a la carte options. These were items that came about from the Pizzuti listening tour. So as Pizzuti went through and they interviewed everyone they come up with different different comments and they made a list of them. Well we presented them we felt that there was eight of them and I'll just run through these. We also presented the cost again kind of give you an order of magnitude what we were looking at but we talked about a mezzanine, a parking garage, overflow parking, the potential for additional beach volleyball or beach volleyball, an additional court to expand the area. That was actually something that we spent a lot of time talking about in regard to graduation which as I previously mentioned we've got that we've got that sorted and then also we talked about tilt wall construction and potentially maybe not quite a hardened building by the definition but a a close to hardened facility. We talked about that additional 14 acres of land which was the white block I just showed you and then we got to an option eight which was we could expand the building with bleachers and things like that and kind of and expand it out to make it larger. So looking at each one of these options and getting the board feedback the mezzanine was an option the board liked and wanted us to investigate that and potentially use it for a walking track. The parking garage was thought that would be maybe be investigated as an ad alternate also look at a return on investment for it. Overflow parking should be included in the base program. The beach volleyball was interested to be included into the base program however look at an ROI and make sure it made sense to go in there so we've done that. Also we looked at additional courts as I referenced that plays into the graduation aspect and the flexibility so include those. The tilt wall was desirous of the board they liked the idea of the durability and also a more finished look to the building. The 14 acres of land the direction was to move forward and and look at the possibility of purchasing some of that land and then the additional bleachers just try to accommodate them where it made sense. That was the comment there and we've done that. So the general feedback was the board wanted a facility that was flexible could be used for local uses hold multiple multiple events at the same time that was built out of a material that was durable energy efficient and took in maintenance costs as well as operation costs in it and then finally on all this update our return on investments and look at them and make sure the numbers made sense and it's those things today that I'm giving kind of the the recap of it but it's those things today that my colleagues are going to talk about and we'll go through these sequentially so with that I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Durr and he can update you on how those were incorporated into the drawings. So good morning board excuse me so just to orient everyone we're looking at an aerial of the site again the first item that we'll go ahead and report on is the adjacent land the five acres or 4.97 acres that you see up at the top the upper left of the drawing that parcel is posted for sale staff has contacted them they are willing sellers that is a parcel that we could possibly move forward forward with in terms of looking at future expansion of the facility and or overflow parking areas and then staff did look take a look at the balance of the properties highlighted in yellow just to the south of that the 9.41 acres there's a 10 different parcels within that several different owners of each of those parcels those are currently not posted as for sale they would run on a much longer timeline to be determined but at this particular point the ones that looked primed in terms of action items would be the upper five acres so in taking the building program that Christian gave you a recap on and then taking the a lot of the a la carte options if you will and taking a look how that affected the overall building program and projected costs this is an updated list to show you the various amenities and the size of the amenities that would be included in the larger footprint of the building or the adjusted footprint of the building right now we're showing approximately 161 000 to 178 000 square feet as a range and there's a reason why when i show you a graphic of that the main two volumes of the building are somewhat static and fixed based on court sizes and and visitor sizes the rest of the facilities all of the storage all of the multi-purpose areas all of support areas would be things that would be really refined as the project would go forward meaning that that's where you're going to see a lot of flex maybe in the square footage that would all flesh out in the next in the next stage of development and design development for the building hence the the range in overall square foot of the building but the bottom line would be is that we would look at a minimum of 12 basketball courts that's inclusive of the championship court that equates to 22 volleyball indoor courts and could accommodate up to 7 500 guests for graduation in the main volume so again the discussion about what's the largest graduation size here in seminal county as well as could it accommodate seminal state the championship court itself or the events area could accommodate up to 2 500 guests with movable bleachers and we'll show you a picture what that looks like in just a moment the ability to go ahead and then obviously support the activities there with food service cafe restaurants some some type of food service concept not just for main events or or banquets but to serve as for visitors at various tournament play there in the building but lots of different multi-purpose rooms that we call them flexible spaces right now we know that through the design especially the boom of sports complex the need for official space tournament organizers first aid spaces team spaces those are going to change based upon the use so making sure that we're building in that flexibility into the into those support spaces is going to be something that will be focused in on as the project continues the mezzanine and walking track have been supported and we'll show you what that looks like in just a moment as well as outdoor facilities to help support the beach volleyball location as well so not building a number of outbuildings if you will to facilitate other events out on site but to be able to house them all in one location and then also look at and a lot of discussion was had about the ability for local folks and residents to be able to use this seven days a week if necessary so the idea of having walking paths and park amenities there on site overall we're looking at development of the total 28 acres we there was a lot of discussion obviously regarding the parking parking lot parking garage concept as well as do we have a paid parking option that should we want to charge for different events we could do so but it would be at our discretion and that obviously it would require all development of all utilities and infrastructure would be required on the site we've got 25 courts uh spelled out in the beach volleyball complex and then the building style description is located and christian spoke about those as well and that's on the draw on the drawings moving forward so one thing to keep in mind as we look at a at a drawing of the site itself is that this is at concept level i know it looks pretty some areas look pretty hard lined and well refined this is still a concept drawing at this particular point and the idea at this point is to do things fit on the site how do they fit and if we were proceed forward with a detailed design on the project what are some of the features that we'd like to see and give direction to an architect and the site site developer to go ahead and and look at moving forward so first foremost we put the position the indoor sports complex building itself and putting that envelope on the north northern part of the site part of that is with the adjacencies that we have with the sanford masonry to the to the north and that gives us some real good accessory units or better yet more like activity going on on the northern portion of the site the other thing that that does is as we look at the development of the overall site footprint is it takes all of the amenities and it pushes it towards lake mary boulevard so the idea that we're taking the investment and the core amenities of the site and really pushing those out for the public to see creates not just a sense of arrival but it is very consistent with how we've developed the boom of sports complex about three quarters of a mile to our south along along the lake mary boulevard what we've also been able to show is the idea that as we develop the site we don't want to just develop the required infrastructure as standalone infrastructure that there is a way to develop the infrastructure and use it as an amenity so the idea of taking the required stormwater that will be required on site with any development and being able to maximize its use by including that in the site planning for beach volleyball creates that that amenity we're going to have to provide the infrastructure already we might as well amenitize it while we're looking at that the ability to also take and utilize the rest of that green space around the required stormwater and create more of a park-like setting out on lake mary boulevard so again it really begs for the public to be able to use this facility with a series of pavilions even a playground not just for special events and tournaments but for public use 365 days a year the other thing that allows us to do is it allows us to take the front door if you will of the indoor sports complex building itself and create a real indoor outdoor experience between the times of events that you'll have inside as well as what you could do outside so the idea of having a dual event that has both indoor and an outdoor beach volleyball would be a huge game changer in the in this particular market for example the other part of this by moving the amenities up to the front is we can take a really good look at taking really the back of house and keeping it in the back of house we can design the parking lot and the entrance and egress and ingress of the site keep it efficient bring it in off of more station boulevard that's a sports station road excuse me on the south part of the diagram likely we would need to put a traffic signal at that location handle it bring it into the site and then be able to distribute the uh the vehicular circulation throughout the idea however is we would look at streamlining how that that circulation moves throughout the site by taking our cues from other venues in the area convention centers theme parks um that bring you in one way and then minimize the amount of times that you have the ability to cross other folks and direction of travel and keep the the flow efficient and keep it safe we'll minimize queue queue queue let me try that again in english queue timing as well as any other be able to bring folks in and out of the site efficiently and smoothly we also include on the north end of the site the possibility of a right out directional right out so again very similar to the way we developed the boomba sports complex of having multiple egress options uh depending on the use of the of the facility the last portion of this to describe is on the upper left corner of the drawing the proposed overflow parking that would be for a potential acquisition at that location that's already a cleared site fairly flat that could probably go into operation from day one and then obviously the potential expansion area on the western part of the drawing as well should additional properties become available over time and should that be a focus of the board moving through so that's outside the building we're going to show a series of diagrams and again this looks fairly hard lined it is very much still a conceptual plan that has been adapted per the latest development program so you saw a slightly larger main volume on the top of the drawing that is 10 basketball courts that equates to 20 volleyball courts within the same space we've got the on the lower right portion of the drawing we've got what we'll call the main event area or the championship court area you see a lot of lines on that one that would have retractable bleachers could be a center court if you will or center championship court for basketball it could be handled other days of a tournament where you basically retract the bleachers in and you could handle two basketball courts in that same space and then all the other ancillary features that would go to support the functions within the building so food service multi-purpose rooms and so forth we know that through design development these these spaces will change sizes and they will be rearranged based upon efficiencies but right now this is really just to give you an idea of a bubble diagram if you will of the types of different spaces that would be required to exist to support all the functions that would occur there so this is the common theme of the sketches that follow we've got the upper volume and then the lower volume of the main the main event space now that was the first floor if you look at this from the second floor the highlighted orange area around the main volume would say the walking track slash measure mezzanine area we have other landing spaces that if we wanted to increase the the viewer capacity in that particular space to have a viewing down into the main volume we could do so and that we'd have other functions up on the second floor obviously restrooms and other support functions so if this is the main or organization of the building itself you start to overlay how can it be adaptable and that was a main function of the the plan as discussed with the board so if you wanted to convert that again this is your your main volley excuse me basketball operation and then how that transitions into volleyball so on the main volume then then becomes 20 volleyball courts with two on the in the in the event area and then that could transition itself over to a championship volleyball court all within the same walls graduation this is what 7500 floor seats might look like with a stage out on the right hand part of the drawing again the idea that this could be configured in such a way to to accommodate the largest of graduations and obviously as you get smaller functions in smaller areas that could maybe move to the smaller smaller events area on this lower right part of the drawing but it does show it would have that capacity with enhanced audio visuals and so forth but that'd be something that we could work want work on as this as the project would continue through design development other types of events that could happen this is a layout for a dual meet gymnastics that could be held down in the championship area and still have other activities going on in the main volume you could reconfigure that to dance and cheer competition so we could possibly have lake mary high school winning their cheer championship here at this particular facility we could host that venue with along with other venues occurring in other portions of the building flexibility as a banquet space again we've stated this as we've met with our hotel years as well this is larger than any of our existing hotel ballrooms could accommodate so it would accommodate really the kinds of venues that we do not have here in in the county we would not be looking to compete with them for the smaller spaces so as a part of that a series of conceptual elevations were created and then if you wanted to take a look at this for maybe a helicopter if you will taking a aerial view down at the site lake mary boulevard runs kind of across the bottom of of this piece so you're looking at a an enhanced view of what that could be again a very overall concept of what that could be putting an architectural feature there maybe on the corners an idea that we could look at and then how the sand beach volleyball and the on-site retention could knit itself together to creating this cohesive front door look out on lake mary boulevard and really putting most of the community assets right out there at the front door parking being in the back with all the vehicular circulation coming through sort of the middle of the site running north south so taking all of that into account we have an updated cost estimates on the project it too shows a range and there's another big reason why is as we look at the variance in square footage number one that's that's one feature another feature is is while we looked at running and updating cost estimates for not just the building but the site development and all the planning that would have to go into this we wanted to make sure that number one we were all inclusive so every possible cost that we could possibly think of were included in these estimates number two is we had multiple estimates done so the pazuti team and their architect moody nolan ran one set of estimates we had a third party estimator also run another set of estimates and then staff took the best or the highlights of all of those based on our current experience of construction projects currently going on in seminal county and created a blended approach to that the other thing we wanted to make sure that we did is that we are being very conservative with the numbers so we did not want to give you a best case scenario and then all of a sudden we go we find ourselves in design and we're hitting our heads on the ceiling already before we've even gotten into the level of detail of planning and design that's going to be required for the project so we wanted to make sure that we had that conservative set but we wanted to make sure that they still this is still based on a set of conceptual ideas so again we're still at a concept level even though we seem to have gone a long way with some of the drawings they're still very much conceptual so at this point we wanted to make sure we established a good range for you and at this point forward as we talk about cost estimates and return on investment we start to use that upper level of the range that we showed you there and with that i'm going to transition this over to gee you should share to talk about project funding so uh tim jack's budget director and i gee cuna economic development tourism director will discuss uh the project funding and return on investment the four key points that came out of that march 10th retreat was the updated cost estimates as rick just discussed the meeting with scps to discuss uh graduation details that christian has already uh briefed on but also the hunden report hunden strategic partners the organization that we've been working with throughout this entire process dating all the way back to 2023 so they gave us updated projections on the indoor complex and also on the beach volleyball portion of the project so when we look at the events a couple of things to keep in mind whenever looking at youth sports complexes in particular rule of thumb three to five years for stabilization that's going to be a common theme so in year one we are expecting 32 events over 67 days and we see that stabilize in year five at 63 events over 126 days as a benchmark our other six sports complexes that we utilize for the sports tourism side specific holds about 90 to 95 events on a given year usually split split 50 at the boomba sports complex and the other 50 at the five uh other assets that we have now when we look at the beach volleyball events we see that common theme of stabilization we look at that year one 10 events expected and then that stabilization theme uh theme uh in year five at 30 events moving forward now when we look at the indoor complex pro forma a couple of key items to um of note understanding that the increase in tourist development tax is not included in the revenue line there uh for year one we are expecting through uh hunden strategic partners a hundred and fourteen thousand increase in tourist development tax and then that will increase to 239 000 by year five another uh item of note the net tour uh tournament parking uh row that is based at five dollars uh per per attendee or per vehicle so let's make sure we we we key on the five dollars there as we uh discuss parking moving forward another item of note is the naming rights that 100 000 in the naming rights row that's based off our only naming rights deal for a youth sports facility and that's uh an average of a hundred thousand dollars a year so year one uh we see a shortfall of 225 000 we see that stabilization uh by year five if we were to look at the first three years and sum sum up all the shortfalls that comes out to 475 000 and similar concept for beach volleyball there uh year one we're expecting 112 000 shortfall and then stabilizing by year five if you add up all the shortfalls there it comes out to 283 000 the grand total for indoor and beach volleyball is 758 000 after uh reviewing with the budget department that is a sum that we currently have in tdt reserves now and can hold it um as we move through this uh process to cover any shortfalls that are being projected now when we look at the conceptual economic impact before we go into the numbers just some benchmarks uh to keep in mind indirect and induced uh from the last large scale investment in youth sports the county increased a thousand over a thousand hotel rooms since boomba opened 10 years ago at our current demand of 70 occupancy and a hundred uh an average of a hundred dollars in average daily rate which is both low and conservative estimates based on where we are today for every new 100 hotel rooms to seminole county we are looking at an additional 64 000 collected in the tourism improvement district 128 000 in tourist development tax and an additional 153 000 in sales tax solely associated with rooms so when we look at year one combining direct indirect and induced spending we expect a 25 and a half million dollar new spending because we don't have other indoor facilities we don't see much overlap in spending there so that's very good moving forward uh stabilization at year five of 53 million dollars with a grand total over the life of the asset of close to 2.2 billion dollars and then for the beach volleyball portion this is an add-on so these numbers will be added into the indoor complex numbers that we discussed year one is 1.26 million with a stabilization in year five of 4.24 million and an additional 173 uh million dollars over the life of the asset for a rounded grant for a rounded grand economic impact of 2.4 billion dollars to that east lake mary corridor which of course has other county properties there and will increase the value and partnership opportunities thank you gee i'm tim jacks budget director the roi of a government facility is calculated by dividing the total net benefits by the total amount invested the estimated cost of the facility is 175 million dollars with approximately 40 30 percent paid by the hotels through the new tourist improvement district and the existing tourist development tax at the end of the presentation we'll show the roi for the whole project as well as just the county's investment each year the facility is expected to bring to the county 322 000 attendees for the indoor events plus 13 000 for beach volleyball those participants and their families will generate approximately 42 000 room nights additionally the facility is projected to create 562 new jobs all of that activity is projected to generate 2.4 billion in total economic benefit over 30 years the largest slice being direct benefits which includes spending at the facility and revenues for our hotels and restaurants indirect benefits includes business and supply chain spending and support of direct services and finally induced benefits includes household spendings from new jobs created the pro forma that gee covered for the indoor facility excludes debt service and you see that annual operating revenues and expenditures are projected to break even by year four the beach volleyball pro forma shows a break even in year five and if we focus on year two the combined deficit from the previous indoor facility slide and this beach volleyball pro forma is 258 000 this is offset by projected year two tax revenue growth of 371 000 to counties existing sales tax and tourism tax collections so on the left we have the roi for the facility based on a total investment of 175 million we expect 14 in return to the community for every one dollar invested on the right we show the roi if we focused on just the county's investment excluding the amounts paid by the hotels in that case we expect 22 for every one dollar invested and here we have a separate analysis for a parking garage based on a construction estimate of 33 million dollars this would add two million dollars per year in debt service using hunden projections of 126 event days 900 spaces 80 capacity and ten dollars per space we're looking at nine hundred thousand dollars in annual revenue so so with that we're going to come back with requested actions um we'll leave them up on the screen we're looking for five requested actions from the board so we're we're looking for the board to approve and authorize staff to number one proceed forward with the development pro program presented here today or an amended version by the bcc number two to proceed forward with a solicitation of an architect and engineering services for the project number three proceed forward with a solicitation for a construction manager at risk for this project number four to present the almost five acre adjacent parcel for acquisition at an upcoming bcc meeting and then finally number five to direct staff to proceed with continued discussions on the remaining parcels not currently listed for sale with those owners potentially interested in selling and bring back any potentially viable parcels for bcc consideration so so with that i'd like to open it up for questions for any of the team thank you uh commissioners i have a series of questions and i'm just gonna weigh in and tell you that i know uh i have been the cause of the generation of a lot of the letters that we've been getting because i've been very open about my concerns about the cost to the local taxpayer for this facility and so i'm just going to own that that i have created a lot of this uh and i'm also going to go on the record and say i support the facility i am not 100 convinced i support the scaling of the facility that happened at our hands not the hoteliers hands and not our sports experts hands and so that's that's where um i think we're going to have a lot of healthy discussion but with that i'll ask commissioners to weigh in and then i'll go through a series of questions public input no comments from anybody else commissioners i was asking if you wanted to do public input first i was going to do public input after but if you'd like to do public input first public input there are five speakers awesome versus kurt esser melanie anesh and kristen oswald you guys were locked and loaded and ready to go so that's fabulous we appreciate that as a testament to the growth of volleyball and the excitement around the volleyball i have to leave here go to a luncheon with the fivb we're talking about the world championships in 27 and the beach qualifier in 28 for the olympics so my name is kurt esser i am executive director of the florida region of usa volleyball regarding a demonstrated need for the florida region we currently host six championship events annually with the seventh rotating every three to five years i would strongly consider moving those events to the new indoor facility contingent upon reasonable rental income or economics those events include our gold series which is the top 90 junior teams in the florida region kicking off the indoor season each january with approximately 1300 room nights our 18 regional qualifier which is hosting 50 of the top 18 and under teams competing for usa volleyball national bids each february that's approximately 350 room nights our boys regional championship which is desperately needing a home we've been moving around approximately 120 boys teams competing for usa volleyball bids and preparing for aau nationals in june approximately 1300 rooms for that event and our regions cup which is the 40 regions of usa volleyball send their junior all-stars to compete each july against each other and other international teams oh by the way florida has won 11 of the last 14 of those and we would love to host that on us every four or five years as well with respect to the beach facility the florida region is actively refocusing on its beach efforts and we currently host an fivb event an event down in pompano florida however there's a great need to expand our opportunities to both boys girls and adults and we would love to be a part of that efforts in this community and one final focus is a focus of mine uh since taking over is educational programming we desperately need space to train our coaches to train our club directors on the best and uh best ways to do things and sharing best practices so uh we 100 100 support this uh facility and we will back it as best we can thank you thank you next speaker name for the record good morning melanie nish central florida hotel and lodging association 6675 westwood boulevard orlando florida 32821 chair her and members of the board on behalf of the central florida hotel and lodging association our president and ceo robert agrusa and our board of directors i'm here to refer to reaffirm our strong support for seminal county's efforts to advance the construction of an indoor sports complex as a partner of seminal county for decades we appreciate the county's collaborative leadership and forward-thinking approach in pursuing a public-private partnership that will deliver lasting economic and community-wide benefits along with improving the quality of life for seminal county residents without the support excuse me without the support investment and dedication of the county commission and county staff and the countless stakeholders involved throughout this process this project will still remain only an idea the hospitality industry has long recognized the limitations posed by the current lack of an indoor sports facility which has constrained our ability to attract tournaments and related events to the area this proposed complex is a significant opportunity to elevate seminal county's competitiveness as a premier destination for sports tourism in addition to the tourism benefits this complex would also give the residents of seminal county a central location to host community events such as graduations youth sports competitions recreational leagues and so much more by enabling year-round events the facility would also help support small businesses local hotels and restaurants predict particularly during traditionally slower demand periods we also want to emphasize the importance of maintaining momentum on this project advancing construction in a timely manner will allow recruitment and business development efforts to begin promptly ensuring seminal county is well positioned to secure future events and bookings ahead of the facilities opening clear and reliable timelines are essential for attracting event organizers investors and complementary development opportunities lastly we again thank seminal county and its current and future visitors for their significant effort in getting this transformative project to where we are today this would not be possible without the unique and coordinated partnership between the county the tourist development development council and the tourist improvement district as other destinations across the state and the region continue to invest in similar multi-purpose indoor sports complexes the competitive landscape is only becoming more challenging let's keep the momentum moving forward and ensure seminal county remains well positioned to compete for regional national and international sporting events we sincerely appreciate your consideration and willingness to engage all stakeholders throughout this process and we stand ready to assist seminal county as this project moves forward thank you thank you thank you name and address for the record good morning duncan wall um i'm with the hampton inn and suites and town play suites altamont springs good morning it's good to be with you commissioners um i like today like many of my colleagues here in the hospitality community we like i'd like to share my strong support for the county's initiative to move forward with the development of the indoor sports complex and the continued success of seminole county tourism economy i would like to thank you all for your hard work and time and energy that you've poured into this initiative over the last couple years and the continued partnership with the hospitality industry as a whole i hope to count on your support of this literal game-changing project with seminole county and the positive impact that will bring to the local economy thank you for your time thank you good morning commissioners my name is kristen oswald 151 international parkway marriott lake mary again my name is kristen and i serve as vice chair on the tid board i've also had the privilege of serving on this committee for the last several years working on initiatives that support seminal county tourism economy and helping to make this complex a reality i have appeared i have appeared before the board on behalf of the tid on prior occasions and i want to emphasize that our message has remained consistent i'm here today in strong support of the tourism improvement district and the proposed indoor sports complex this project directly aligns with our long-standing goals of creating demand strengthening year-round business positioning seminal county more competitively in the sports tourism market and establishing seminal county as one of the top destinations for youth and amateur sports in central florida i also want to acknowledge that this project has been discussed evaluated and debated over the last three years during that time there have been multiple opportunities to challenge or stop this initiative meanwhile in the past year hotels within the in the county have already collected the assessment dollars with the understanding that they would be used to support this project the hotel community has made the commitment and we believe it's important to continue to move forward with the momentum and the trust that's already been established as a mother of two children who participate in youth sports this project has also personal to me i want to continue supporting and spending in my own community instead of traveling to other counties that already have facilities like this seminal county has the opportunity to become that destination for other families as well seminal county has the opportunity to move decisively and remain competitive delaying or losing momentum in this space carries real opportunity costs both economically and strategically on behalf of the tid i respectfully but strongly urge support of this project this is the defining opportunity for seminal county's future and i encourage you to move forward with it thank you for your time and consideration you're welcome thank you sir name and address for the record uh kerr wixton orlando lake mary uh thank you for allowing me to speak today i am actually speaking on behalf of sky buckner so she's not bringing her enthusiasm so i'm stepping in on her behalf you got big shoes so keep it very brief um from both a professional and personal perspective it is important to recognize that our tourism industry is beginning to plateau without new demand generators we risk falling behind neighboring markets that are aggressively investing in infrastructure to attract year-round visitation the proposed indoor sports complex represents a critical and timely opportunity to reinvigorate demand support long-term economic growth and ensure seminal county remains competitive in an increasingly saturated market this is not another project currently positioned to deliver this level of consistent year-round impact across across hotels restaurants and local businesses excuse me i strongly we uh encourage the board to move forward with urgency advancing this project without delay will allow us to begin marketing the destination securing future business and positioning seminal county as a premier sports tourism area thank you very much thank you madam chair we'll report back that you did a good job and i think commissioner lockhart has a question commissioner i have a question question for you sorry tell me what is your role i'm the general manager i'm so sorry that's all right well you said you were here for sky and i thought well how fascinating what do you do okay fantastic we have not had the pleasure of meeting before the sky sounds like sky's the real sky right correct that's right i don't tell her that corkage in the lobby i'll leave it at that corkage in the lobby bar all right he laughs he doesn't know how serious you are yeah i am dead serious that's good um all right so does that conclude public comment yes all right we'll close public comment commissioners for discussion well we want to take yes so a couple of things um i i appreciate so much the recognition that you know some individual comments that were made um may have presented uh a perception that there is somehow a chance of this project going off the rails as every one of us will tell you um three votes beats a good argument any day on any elected board and um if the majority of the board votes to move forward with this project the entire board will be supportive of it in whatever fashion that that occurs um i've been on the losing end of some votes before one or two and um and that's just a part of being on a collective body where you have you have agreements and disagreements and you move forward um this project is not languishing i want to be really clear that the exceptional work that has been done by our team with gi i like prince better than share i feel like that's more appropriate um to to create an entire methodology and uh improvement district that has never been done to scale like this has been done in this community to gain the collaborative spirit and the consensus from all of the hoteliers for the most part in in this county and the in the support the elected body the just it is remarkable the fact that we are here in quote three years time it is phenomenal we're actually at a place where we're about to vote to move forward on a project that was not even conceptualized or thought of three years ago so i give huge kudos to everyone in this room that has had something to do with this project um i i take exception to the idea that this is somehow slow rolling um so kudos to everyone um who has who has brought us this far um i will also like to point out that boomba uh joe abel is here who is a former member of our team here in seminole county um that was absolutely a game changer for this county for so many reasons in so many ways again a conceptual idea that seemed really really big and really really daunting at the time and yet had people not done that and had the vision to move forward with boomba we would not have seen the success through the pandemic that we did this county was able to stay afloat and operating in ways that no other part of this country was able to do because of our focus on sports and and particularly youth tourism thanks to the boomba complex so i see boomba as as the method and the model to to emulate um i think it's been was wildly more successful than we ever thought it would be and we had no private partnership in that project that was that was government moving forward on our own talk about scary and stupid right um although in hindsight not so much um i just i'm as as concerned as commissioner her is on some things i am i am bullish i think this is awesome um i'm excited about it i think the return on investment for our community is is going to be exceptional and um and so that's that's my that's my cheerleader comment for this morning um although fun fact i did not make the middle school cheerleading team i tried out and i didn't make it so um so i do have a few questions and and and they they pertain to at what point in these requested actions we can flip different levers because to proceed forward with the development program presented and or as amended by the bcc well unless you are asking for us to sit up here right now and start throwing amendments at you which i think could be counterproductive how do you how do you envision those amendments occurring if they occur yeah if i may go ahead um this is not a whole lot different than any other capital projects we're doing the county administration building's a good one so you know we can bring these things back as a staff and do a lot of charrettes and go through and vet them and and go through those things take time and as staff we can certainly do that if time is if if express service is great and you want it super short and you love everything's perfect on the screen and go forth i don't want any changes we can do it that way so the levers i think is the direction we're looking for if the board wants to give that as we go through you know item two and three those are relatively just flick the switch and as we get feedback from you all then we can tailor those conversations in there but number one we don't you know we don't know we we've got the listening tour we got the the briefings we've we've shown some ideas but if more input is needed we can certainly do it we can do as many many of those things as you want we can do them publicly we can do it privately that's the feedback we need but it's a it's not a simple yes or no answer it's is how you like it okay so i will just quickly run through mine for you if that's okay and then we'll see where we go from there um again i may be on the losing end of any one of these and that's okay so i would proceed forward with the development program as presented with minor things that might come back to this board for um implementation in terms of value engineering at when we when we get to that point um proceed forward with the architectural and engineering services proceed forward with the solicitation of cm at risk um i would also like to see us move forward with the purchase of the additional five acres the the part that is not on uh okay number five with the additional parcels yes but as we found with the boomba um experience yeah well as we started to try to you know pull those properties together the the last man standing felt that they had quite a chip in the game and it made it really hard to get all of the parcels needed so i would just proceed with some thoughtfulness about how that should occur um i don't know if one by one is necessarily the best way to do that or not or if assembling them you know as a collective might might be more productive but i'll leave that to the experts to decide what's best those are my my thoughts commissioner delori thank you madam chair i want to talk about two people that are not here and that would be bruce squelow and frank sicillon two stellar individuals in their own way i'm sorry they're not named share they're not named prince but they are named bruce and frank i will tell you that we started talking about what is now known as boomba they saw the writing on the wall early wasn't the county staff even though we all like to take credit for it and i will tell you that they said that we need to have a full master plan of what tourism would look like not just around the airport throughout the whole entire county and it was clear in conversations with them and the county staff as well they presented to us is that boomba was phase one because they knew that rectangular fields outdoor fields only serve a market that was thursday friday or thursday friday through sunday but to really capitalize this market to provide a demand to provide hotels because that's where not only the hoteliers make money but we make money because of tourism tax development tax sales tax it just goes on and on and on that's where the real bread and butter comes is the hotel's heads on beds and if you don't have heads on beds you don't have tourism you don't have tourism we now become a bedroom community and many different aspects of it uh yes we do have international uh parkway yes we do have been focusing since the 80s about not being a bedroom community to orlando but that is only one aspect of economic development the other aspect is sports tourism i was here when we talked about sports tourism i will tell you i know had many conversations with mr abel as well as our county staff about what is sports tourism we're not competing with walt disney world sea world universal studios island adventure go right down the list uh the convention center that ain't us we doubled down and tripled down on sports tourism and by doing that when it came to the drive market we owned it we defined it people look at us our staff our hoteliers our tourism groups because regionally if not statewide they come to us and they ask us how did you do it and that was all these different studies that we're doing in fact i remember commissioner constantine you were pushing for volleyball back then and you're also pushing for us to move boomba to i-4 remember that and as commissioner lockhart said three votes be a good argument any day and what i love about this group here even though you may be on the short end of the vote not to stick the vote well sometimes there's a stick involved once the vote is cast all five of us get behind that vote even if you're opposed to it that's what i love about this board that's what i love about this county in the seven cities we are one organization figuratively speaking i will tell you that when the economy went down in 08 and again in 13 what really helped us was our sports tourism what really kept the hotels running and operational during the pandemic was sports tourism we doubled down we actually hired people that instead of going through and outside agencies like we were doing with paradise i don't know if people remember that we came in house and we hired a couple of young individuals i'm not going to mention my name even though they're sitting here in the room they knew who they are they actually put us on the map for uh digital advertising what they did with sports tourism was astronomical what our staff has done with sports tourism is astronomical what our hoteliers are doing is astronomical i fully support this project what happens now is that when we did this hunting report and we brought in all the other consultants they said okay you want to grow tourism you want to put heads on beds you want to bring more hotels you got to have more demand we're not going to survive with yeah we could survive it's just status quo about having what we do with ecnl what we do with baseball what we do with softball we can survive just on weekends if that's what we really want but you want to grow the economy you want to grow sports tourism you want to grow people that come here to actually get the tourism tax but it's also the residents helping the residents pay for that sales tax we're getting a 30 discount or a 28 discount plus or minus so we have that one cent sales tax we're all so happy about we're getting a discount from our residents for our residents from people outside the community that's paying for this we're doubling down why does orange county do so well because of all the hoteliers because they've diversified with not just theme parks but the convention center with the airport just goes on and on and on you want to grow that sales tax where it's not on the burden of our our property people it's growing it from a tourism standpoint i can tell you that the county manager and i were at winter springs last night and we're talking about the gas tax and their first thing they ask is well what's in it for us well you got to grow tourism you know and we're going to discuss that later i'm sure i'm not going to get into it let's stay focused i know but i mean i'm just i'm trying to paint the picture i'm trying to paint the picture because like when you're individuals are looking for either part-time jobs or trying to grow a company or trying to get a a real job either in the restaurants convenience stores or hoteliers this is where they have this is where it's going to happen this is going to grow the market from monday through thursday and then over the weekend i mean all the reports we have it says that this indoor sports complex is the next boomba and yes when we built boomba you know it was like you know do we build it if they come or if they come when they build it you know what's the story what comes first well now that we have history we know how to do this our staff knows how to do it and lord knows the hoteliers know how to do it so i fully support this and i know commissioner lockhart you did it very well going through these five different items i'm fully supporting what you're saying on those all five different items so if we're on the losing end the sick it's both of us okay so listen let's be clear i'm the only one that's up here questioning this and i'm not saying don't move forward with it commissioner i'm not i'm not saying please can i finish let me just i'm not saying it's you but there's always a lot of doubt and i'm no longer running the meeting well you can run the meeting but i just want to make sure that i'm not focusing on any one individual these are key things and i really believe that these key things will happen because of the plan that our staff and our hoteliers are put together to move this thing forward so i just want to get the elephant in the room yeah i have never said i don't want to move this forward what i am questioning is and i'm going to take privilege and throw it on the table what i'm questioning can you pull up the a la carte document and can somebody get it on the record what is in this 175 mil and what is not slide 10 now it's crawling and so the mezzanine 13 and a half million dollars that's in it the parking garage that's in it no i understand i'm just getting it on the record guys because we said minor changes so it's really important that we understand this eight acres right now i mean bringing it forward on the number four whatever it is it's number four that's five acres that's in addition to that's it that's in the number these numbers are all the numbers were presented to you maybe if i may i tell you what's not in it is that maybe a little easier i'm going to go through this my way it's it's in it because i've had this briefing three times and i don't have this down and i don't think we have it on the record so that's a yes uh but beach volleyball is a yes yes uh two additional that's a yes tilt wise was a yes yes additional land 14 acres that's in the number as well yes that's in the 175 3 275 dollars per seat for so this is the one we got into and this is the one that's i can't answer the question well this is a sort of so i'll explain so that number that we've presented on there assumed making the space larger to accommodate both the space and the actual bleachers so the conversation it was almost kind of an it could be an either or so to speak with item i'm getting trying to get my eyes on it the basketball court so both five and eight in the discussion were making the space larger there are different ways of doing it so it's a no in the sense that we're not needing to add any additional space because we added number five however we are carrying money in the number to accommodate the actual bleachers themselves and when you look at three thousand dollars per seat you go well that's an expensive seat well no it includes the building getting bigger so so that's why it's a yes no bleachers are included in the program we have that in the in the number that we gave you we're not looking to include the building larger than what was just discussed on these other items and how many seats are in the bleachers so we know that there's 2500 we have some generic holder places to put in there for potentially that's all i need i promise that's all i need is the 2500 the holder numbers etc okay so follow-up question because because the way you mentioned it it was minor i feel compelled to go down this path because this wouldn't be minor what added value does the mezzanine give us in terms of sports tourism and the ability to attract tourists into this location because i'm hearing from folks in the community that want this that they're not sure it adds value so we understood we can both take this and jump in where i'm so the problem when you look at a big space like that and can you go back to the drawing of the big space if you would view you know few ability gets to be a problem if you're a scout or a parent and your child's on on a different area and a scout's probably more important you have these big tournaments or college-bound tournaments these kind of combine-ish type things they look at a lot of kids in there the ability to move around the space and look at it as well as provide additional space maybe not sitting space but standing space has has some benefit and that's why our opinion of this was sight lines were difficult i can tell you as a hockey parent i'm a i'll call it i'm a retired hockey parent because my kids are older now we spent a lot of time on the mezzanine looking looking at the kids on a rink and that was a very valuable thing on this as far as a number of facilities these mezzanines are included in them for the walking track aspect of it gives you double duty it gives you the ability for local residents to have something walking clubs things like that we're not talking an ncaa running track we're talking about you can take the same space and make it convertible so the space does a couple things it provides better viewing access it provides spectator access and then it also provides the ability to have a localized amenity is there anything to add to that yeah i'd add the the um when you talk about the tournament aspect of things um what generally with the tournament folks are and gee you could probably speak to this as well are looking for is the ability to take both the scouts and those officials and separate them from the rest of the spectators and their ability to go ahead and conduct business and conduct their views separate from having to work their way through a crowd for example um so that is almost becoming the standard if you will of a lot of especially the high-end tournaments is making sure that there's a space at which the they can conduct their business and why they're there to view the games and do so without getting sort of mixed in with everybody else on the ground floor is that would that be fair so uh as a proof of concept commissioner we we have uh field hockey over at boomba the difference with field hockey being a traditional event are the college coaches that are here so in the start of the year that event is actually one of our premier events that runs alongside the girls soccer event at uh sylvan lake park so that event because of the coaches comes pretty close to a buyout of the marriott so because of that event they actually turned into a convention that multi-year the economic impact in there you're looking at hundreds of thousands converting into the millions all right so that's that is a fabulous answer so increase in the tdd in the tdt i'm switching gears just a little bit the increase in the tdt are we saying that that's going to go to pay for debt service it certainly could we project that the year one debt service would be paid four million dollars from the hotels the tid and the tdt that's the minimum amount we would expect and moving forward yes uh any additional revenue generated by the facility could and should be paid towards the debt service well could and should so when does that is that part of a minor we're deciding that when when does that happen it's part of the annual budget process okay so so on the record i am just going to say out loud so you can hear it directly from me and not through the conduits who perhaps got us down the path of i don't support this project i do support the project but the revenue that's being generated into these funds has to come back to support the debt service that's nowhere near supported by the money that we put into the one fund so when we come to budgeting time please don't be surprised by that because that's the reality we're paying for less than 40 it's 37 of it this is covered by these funds that the one fund and the rest of it is coming through the sales tax correct yes 30 of which so now 30 of which comes from outside of the county but that the majority of that is being paid for by our residents correct and the use of these facilities by our residents is really minimal and we all have to acknowledge that it is yes you're going to go there with your child to a local facility but that is a lifespan there's a time you're a retired hockey dad i was smart enough not to have kids that ever played sports and i was also smart enough never to try out for cheerleading because we all know i wouldn't have been picked cheer for the damn team so so i just want to get clear on the math at a later point we're not going to talk about that today but there's going to be an expectation around that return all of these additions have to come back to feed this debt service we can't be using it for something else we can't be double committing um so and all of the performers correct me if i'm wrong none of them include the debt service that's correct i would love to see those performers redone so they include the debt service so that we can get aligned around the idea of how much that is impacting the rest of the budget possible yeah we can do that uh i think i have gone through a good oh graduation av i'm switching gears here i heard i think the word at some other point we'll figure out graduation av that may have been me dreaming that graduation av is programmed into this because i don't want to get down the road and we can't host graduations there because you can't see your kid graduate sitting on the floor so you heard it from me during the briefing so you didn't imagine it you heard it from me in the conversations with the school district the conversations have centered around flat floor versus you know what they have now in there so the av is a is something that we're currently discussing what their needs are we're holding money for those kind of things and other briefings we talked a little bit more in detail about the need for sound you know to be able to mitigate through the space for video and things like that the numbers we're giving you are healthy numbers to make sure we have the ability to do things and make decisions they're good planning numbers to make sure we're at this junction if we got into discussions and you know that they they wanted something really you know outlandish which i don't envision then i don't know that i've got the numbers in there but we are carrying numbers to handle av stuff we're going to need to talk as part of the design process to av consultants and things like that to make sure everyone's expectations are met and i'm continuing having conversations with the superintendent as well on the needs that that they need for that so and there could be potential partnership opportunities too in the future so we're everything's on the table absolutely and i and i think from the very beginning we have promised our our community that this would be a facility that's well received for graduations it has to be as decked out for graduations as it is for correct the scouts correct they they are our residents uh with that i'm going to go down the line can i continue my question sure thank you thank you madam chair so i don't know if i'm going to ask prince or gee or whoever can we talk about the 22 dollars return on investment somebody tim tim tim i'm sorry tim yes poor tim can you describe what where is that coming it looks like i feel it's the 2.4 billion dollar impact that's paid at the facility uh it's revenues to the hotels and the restaurants it's a 2.4 billion dollar total uh positive impact to the community over 30 years divided by the uh cost of the facility okay great thank you uh the one the one real concern i have with all this is time to market time to open i know that the county manager sent us a preliminary schedule uh what i'm concerned about is you know we've been talking about this on and off for 20 some odd years we've gotten real serious over the last two or three years what i'm really concerned about you know we first started talking about this uh other people are starting to come into the market i want to make sure because in the conversation that i've had with our staff as well as events ecnl as well as field hockey you know they do sign long-term agreements i want to make sure that we have an actual hard opening date so that i know and we know and staff can actually start booking events yes because if we're going to go past you know mid part of 2028 that's a totally different issue and i want to make sure we're opening this thing quickly enough so that we can actually gain our true market share because that's what this is about it's about market share and i know there's another event that's happened another venue happening in orlando it's a smaller venue uh that's who's going to be one of our competitors as well as some other folks and so the sooner we actually decide when we're actually having a hard opening we can actually start selling dates that's what we need to be doing because if we're going to be dragging this thing out i'm going to need to start rethinking this thing so in the for the record category the timeline that the county manager put forward in the documents yesterday starts today with this meeting and then the timelines that i saw in there from a purchasing process were exceptionally tight yes i know they're tight but my question is i want to make sure that we're holding it tight and i want to make sure that we actually know not just what purchasing when we're actually being able to staff is going to be marketing this thing so we had hard opening dates correct and then when we get the team on when we get the designer we could give you more correct doubles in the details right and we'll be bringing that back i didn't bring up the the list i didn't put up on the screen because i know it's still a work in progress right i know that you know something may slip here and there i think it can also be condensed correct i'm expecting staff to bring it back to us we absolutely that's why i didn't talk about you know june or july or august i didn't bring updates yes as i bring updates you can bring updates bring it updates mr zimbauer you've been very patient which is highly unusual highly unusual thank you for the amount of time um so to try to move this along i'm totally okay with all five points um you know the timing of this has a couple of things that are dependent which happens to be item four and five um it's probably not lost on one of my fellow commissioners because i've made it very vocal this is not big enough in my opinion uh i think it's a good start we've been talking about phasing and doing it in phase one phase two phase three what i've learned since i've arrived here unless you do it all in one phase phase two and phase three never come to fruition amen um you can't get it done but this is really a a piece of a puzzle of a bigger picture for this area as we have the orlando sampler international airport which is going to continue to grow we have the connector that's going to be coming into lake mary boulevard we are going to see all the economic development along lake mary boulevard not related to this project which is going to be housing multi-family and single-family housing this is going to be the key piece for the county and as i went back and reviewed arguments and minutes from boomba before i was ever here there was a lot of discussion about that's too big that's too much money we shouldn't do that and then fast forward multiple years and decades and people are like man we should have made that bigger we should have bought more property um and so i would only say that based on what staff has presented to me and i've had a lot of questions and i appreciate the roi because you know i was very adamant about that that i think we're in a good place uh i think we've still got some work to do but the fact that we're going to have that discussion continuing moving forward as we move the project forward i think it's going to be a benefit as you're aware one of the two things that i was very adamant about i think we we still need to be taking a look at is long-term land leases with private entities on some of this to be help pushing the the dollars to the county and the taxpayer but also looking at how we do get a parking garage you've got a scenario where you may have this 4.9 or 5 acres you got these other pieces that are 10 owners you may not get that if you don't get that that's a whole different discussion on how this ultimately develops and plays out that may force us to a parking garage so i appreciate that it's an add-on consideration that we will continue to discuss um so i'm fully fun moving forward all five with further reporting back to us and keeping us updated good work thank you very much mr constantine thank you start with beach volleyball please we're all waiting i wasn't gonna i wasn't gonna bring that up i mean sure you are i mean lee you were quite the beach volleyball player back in the day you actually were on the pro circuit i remember correct all right let's get back on the rails first of all the excitement that i feel is the idea of florida that we are promoting here you could drive into that thing you're not going to see the beach courts you're going to see a beach next to a water facility i mean the the idea how i can i envision this you know when people are coming in for the first time they're going to be amazed they're it's going to be a beautiful facility from just that standpoint forgetting about what the building looks like right now just that standpoint because what we're trying to do is sell the facilities people come back again and again and when we when we're when we're bringing tourists from around the world they're going to come in they don't want to be indoor all the time in basketball and indoor volleyball they want to go out and get a beach chair and sit out there on in the in the sand so i i'm just telling you i i'm excited about that it wasn't mentioned i'm excited about that because i think that really gives people a flavor of florida and you know to use i think that the one thing that i've always said and i many of my colleagues have said flexibility i mean we've got so much flexibility in this you know you've talked about the number of different things we can do indoors outdoors yeah uh mr dur and i were talking yesterday we've got sand soccer we've got sand tennis um i put an overlay there is no there's there's big sports coming into that yes sand tennis yes how does that work yes they hit it over the net i don't know how it works they hit it over the net i don't play it but but sand volleyball sand soccer is big but here's here's and a lot of the people locally will use that you talked about local you know use they'll use the outdoor facilities let me talk about the flexibility i think we all heard how great orlando i mean we just got central florida sports commission just got the six qualifiers correct okay i went back and put an overlay of that outside camping world into this we could do it here we could do it here i was talking to again mr dur about you making sure that the parking facilities or had a flexible enough surface that we could use other sports give an example bmx and other things that you could use even you know another sport that's coming really exciting and people are using and could use the sand and or is paintball tournaments all over the place firefighter challenge i i was going to just say that no i would say we can move it from ssc and put it over here and and and with a much you know easier opportunity the greatest thing about this is an indicator of results future results is past results the one thing i heard from these gentlemen when i was going through it is this has a better rate of return than we were talking about with boomba i mean think of that and boomba escalated by far more than any of us would imagine i see this as doing the same thing we've got so many opportunities here and that's what we've done flexibility flexibility and we want to continue as we go forward these five things we want to continue in the flexibility i i just said i know many of you know that i i ran for 35 years in event one day a year at the orlando uh camping world and we had 10 000 people there and we had 90 teams and we had six events i could do it here i could have put it on here with all the six events the exact six events sounds like our first contract no no no that's you know well maybe we'll talk about that maybe we'll revise it but that's that we've got a few years in advance to get this but let's get it done let's get it done and i think that the folks here today are excited about it i'm excited about it i know he listened to my fellow commissioners they're excited about it i really i i i am so impressed with the i know it's we've got a ways to go and anything can change but the way we're designing it so that when you're driving up the just the the the view just makes me feel like we're we're promoting florida commissioner lockhart um just a quick comment about the timeline um i understand there is a great sense of urgency i want from my perspective we need to do it right and i don't want to mess something up at the expense of feeling like we are moving so urgently that we miss something or don't do something well so that would be my only noted and and with that i would be honored to make the motion to move forward with the five items as presented second hearing no further discussion all those in favor aye opposed hearing none it passes unanimously and thank you to the team for all the work that you've done that got us here thank you to all of you for being patient through all of the questions and with that we will recess the morning session we will be call us back to order at 1 30. rick ladies and gentlemen please be seated please be seated ma'am please be seated not you thank you all right we are going to do our best to keep this train running on time but i am going to ask for a little bit of flexibility this afternoon we are going to start with public hearing uh legislative item number 32 we have in-house mayor mueller and city manager kevin smith from lake mary lori bailey brown is going to be presenting i i'm a little bit ahead of myself i was just making the announcement that 32 is going first so that we can let them go back to running go back to work running the city of lake mary uh so with that we will officially convene the meeting uh i'm looking for uh proof of publication so moved second motion and seconded all those in favor aye hearing none opposed passes unanimously ex parte communication mine has been submitted electronically uh what i had was submitted ma'am chair i'll submit mine right now so it's mine mine was electronically as well madam chair all right so so ex parte has been submitted electronically with that we'll go to uh public hearing legislative item 32 with this will be presented by lori bailey brown and this is a good news item thank you good afternoon commission uh lori bailey brown administrative services director the msbu program brings this item to the board for consideration to adopt an ordinance to create the municipal services benefit unit assessment district to provide funding for lake management services on behalf of west crystal lake which is located in commission district four the hearing was publicly advertised on april 10th in accordance with florida statute west crystal lake is in the lake monroe watershed and is located in the city of lake mary the request for establishing the msbu was initiated by application in november of 2024 for lake management services watershed division of environmental services evaluated the overall health of the lake and a community meeting was held in january with presentations from seminal county staff about the plans and proposed costs of lake maintenance followed by the petitioning process which received 69 response in favor of creating the msbu exceeding the required 65 threshold to move forward the assessment boundary of the proposed msbu consists of 51 waterfront properties located in the city of lake mary 49 residential and two city owned each residential property is assigned one benefit unit and two city parcels are being assigned four and a half benefit units collectively this msbu will consist of only phase two services which are ongoing indefinitely phase two is a variable rate assessment subject to change annually according to site conditions and budgeted expenses the estimated annual estimate to be levied on the annual tax bill is 675.85 per benefit unit this is inclusive of the msbu administrative fee of seven percent and lake management startup cost of ten thousand dollars in year two lake management staff time is estimated at fifteen thousand dollars per year and the city of lake mary included in their interlocal agreement a contribution of five thousand dollars towards those administrative costs staff request the board approved the ordinance creating the west crystal lake management msbu this concludes our presentation thank you thank you very much uh mayor yes sorry i couldn't tell where it was coming from announcing our legal expert deputy county attorney naysa borkhart sitting in the cheap seats yes thank you um this request is twofold it's for the adoption of the ordinance and it's also for approval of the interlocal agreement with lake mary for the msbu with which authorizes the county to create this msbu and which also outlines our agreement that we've come to with the city of lake mary as far as having their city properties that are located on the lake assessed in the same manner as the other properties around the lake are being assessed thank you ms borkert would you like to speak did you have your hand up i thought it was you speaking when it was oh no i mean i would as the district commissioner i would love to share if you're there yeah absolutely um i want to first of all thank uh the city of lake mary so much for your patience and your citizens have been incredibly um proactive and wanting to see the health of all of the lakes in the community be able to be managed and have a part in that and this is um this is for those of you who are here who don't know what a lake msbu is it's where a group of residents who live on a lake choose to tax themselves for the benefit of that lake and its maintenance and making sure that it is um either rehabilitated or kept in in some type of format that it can really be a benefit to the entire community because all water eventually flows somewhere in the state of florida and water doesn't know whether it's in the city of lake mary or an unincorporated seminole county and so we are all responsible for the quality of that water particularly when it hits water bodies like the lockhart smith canal or the saint john's river or any of those the um the quality of that water is something that we are judged on frankly um regularly so the fact that the community came together and initiated this and that we have been able to partner thank you to the county attorney's office and the attorneys at the city of lake mary for seeing past what might be conventionally something that wouldn't be um able to be done but partnerships are really good so i'm i'm thrilled that we're here i'm sorry it's taken so long but thank you all for your work yes commissioner i i would mirror that as well i'm sorry i think this is what three years almost four it took a new county manager and a new county attorney to do it this this that's not a threat by the way no understood um you know sometimes we say government works slow this is a prime example of working slow but i'm glad that our county attorney's office found the ability to work with the city and get this taken care of because it is the right thing to do at the end of the day the the residents of all cities pay county taxes so we we are all in this boat we're on the same direction so good to see you all here today thank you for your patience good work commissioner lockhart in your district good work county attorneys this is the what these are the things we should be doing to collaborate with our cities good work in the spirit of collaboration mayor miller would you like to say anything madam chair david miller mayor of the city lake mary i'm going to be very brief because i know there's a full agenda first of all profound thanks to all five members of this commission especially our district commissioner commissioner lockhart and our representative of this group commissioner york have worked for several years they've galvanized the community the lakefront owners but i will tell you right now it would not happen in isolation very few things do but the work of your county manager the work of our city manager both respective teams have allowed this to come together and for that we're forever grateful this means so much to our community i will have to tell you right now that i've had the opportunity to serve my community a very long time this is something that was very very meaningful to those residents of lake mary that have lived here a long time they take this personally our byline is the city of lakes what you're doing today will allow us generationally to keep that byline active and for that we just simply say thank you thank you thank you mayor muller i'd be remiss if i didn't on behalf of the bocc thank you for your leadership and you're always so gracious it is always a pleasure doing business with you certainly on behalf of the citizens but just generally uh mr egger do we have any public comment on this no ma'am we do not hearing none i'll look to the district commissioner thank you um i'd like to make a motion to adopt and authorize the chairman to execute the ordinance creating the west crystal lake msbu as well as approving the interlocal agreement with the city of lake mary second and i see a nod from our county attorney any further discussion all those in favor aye opposed hearing none motion passage unanimously congratulations and thank you for your leadership with that we will go backwards to item number 29 this is a quasi-judicial public hearing for life point christian church special exception uh this is a commissioner lockhart's district and will be presented by hillary payden planner welcome madam chair sorry to interrupt before we start the quasi-judicial items would you like to go over the rules of engagement absolutely judicial hearings okay thank you i don't just want to hear myself yeah all right um while the board welcomes comments from all persons with an interest in these proceedings florida law requires that the board's decision in quasi-judicial actions be supported by competent substantial evidence presented to the board during the hearings on the applications competent substantial evidence is such evidence as a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support a conclusion there must be a factual basis in the record to support opinion testimony from both expert and non-expert witnesses persons presenting testimony may rely on factual information that they present information presented by county staff information the applicant presented or on factual information included in the county staff report to support their testimony all persons who present written materials to the board for consideration must ensure that a copy of such materials is provided to the clerk for inclusion in the board's record of the proceedings and the official minutes madam chair thank you so much go ahead good afternoon hillary payden planning and development this item is a request for a special exception for the life point christian church to allow an existing church to expand in the a1 zoning district located on 2.44 acres located on the northwest corner of ee williamson road and myrtle lake hills road the applicant is requesting approval of a special exception to expand an existing civic assembly use known as the life point christian church on 2.44 acres the existing church structure is approximately 7 000 square feet in size with a seating capacity of 200 seats the property also includes a 1952 square foot single family residence that's utilized as an office for the church the applicant proposes to construct a new 6 400 square foot building with a seating capacity of 250 seats to utilize for worship service the original 7 000 7 000 square foot structure will be utilized for children's ministry activities during the worship services the facility operates primarily on sundays from 8 a.m to 2 p.m the church's office hours are monday through thursday from 8 a.m to 5 p.m the parking requirement for the assembly use is 63 parking spaces the improvements to the site will provide 65 parking spaces meeting that requirement under the seminal county land development code the site must also meet all other regulations under the land development code at the time of site plan this includes drainage setbacks buffering site lighting and others in compliance with the seminal county land development code section 30.3.5 the applicant conducted a community meeting on february 9 2026 details of that meeting have been provided in your agenda section 30.3.1.5 of the seminal county land development code states that certain criteria must be met for the board of county commissioners to approve a special exception request staff finds that the request meets the criteria of the recommend with the recommended conditions as stated in the approval development order in addition to the typical conditions of approval for special exception staff is also recommending there be no outdoor sound amplification without a noise permit from the county staff has received nine letters of opposition one is which is a petition with 47 names listed and three letters of support which have been provided to the board for your consideration those who we received letters from who provided their address in close proximity to the church have been shown on the support and opposition map the planning and zoning commission met on april 1st 2026 and voted unanimously to recommend that the board of county commissioners approve the special exception based on the conditions as stated in the stuff in the development order staff requests that the board of county commissioners approve the special exception and associated development order as per the motion on the screen this concludes my presentation i'm available for any questions thank you very much commissioners any questions so far the applicant here name and address for the record sir my name is phil ayers 150 sunset drive i'm the pastor at light point christian church here representing the congregation good afternoon thank you for the opportunity to speak thank you for your time and your diligence and careful consideration for this matter we're here to request a special except exception to allow a modest expansion to our existing church facility this is um an expansion we believe is responsible in scope it's compatible with the surrounding area and consistent with our long-standing presence in the community our proposal is to construct a 6400 square foot sanctuary for primary use on sunday worship services the space will seat approximately 250 people and will replace our current worship space which seats about 200 it will include a foyer restrooms a small video room a nursing mother's room there are no classrooms included in this new structure for context our existing facility is just over seven seven thousand square feet so this is not a large-scale expansion but we believe it's a practical next step to better accommodate our growing congregation before i go further i'd like to address a concern that has been raised in the community there's been some confusion suggesting that this project is intended to expand into a private school or a higher intensity weekday operation i want to state clearly this is not an expansion of a school it's a modest expansion of sunday worship space we do operate or excuse me we do not operate a traditional private school we offer a home school resource program that meets only on tuesday and thursday mornings it provides supplemental instruction for families who are already homeschooling their children that program is not being expanded as a part of this proposal from a land use perspective this project does not increase weekday intensity which is why it was determined during the county's pre-application review that a traffic study was not required we understand that traffic is a concern in our area especially given the nearby elementary school and the challenges at the intersection of ee williamson and myrtle lake hills road that matters to us as well as both the pastor of lifepoint and a resident of the shadow hill neighborhood nearby i personally experienced those same traffic patterns and i share in those concerns but this project is designed to serve our congregation primarily on sundays and does not introduce any additional weekday demand beyond what exists already today by a brief way of background we began in 2002 meeting at betley elementary school in sanford from there we moved to a theater and then we spent several years at the ymca as a congregation in 2013 we purchased our current property in order to establish a more permanent presidents permanent presence and better serve our community and over the past few years we have seen steady healthy growth particularly among young families which led us to begin planning for additional worship space through a capital campaign we called next our goal has simply been to continue serving the next generation well over the past 15 years our vision has been simple focused on christ faithful in the community we take both parts of that seriously we are committed to not only worship and teaching but to being a good neighbor in our community we regularly open our facility to serve others in the community we host other church congregations weekly we provide space for hoa meetings we support groups like scouts and we serve as a polling location as well plus we also provide ongoing benevolent support for both our church members and others in the community helping with food rent and other needs we've never turned away anyone who's come to us in need at its core then this request is modest clearly defined expansion to serve our existing congregation primarily on sundays without increasing weekday intensity or altering the character of our surrounding area we are committed to transparency we're committed to being good neighbors and to continue serving this community well so we respectfully ask for your approval thank you for your time thank you so much stay close we may need you back not that close you could have a seat um miss drager is there public comment yes ma'am please call them three at a time james gromlich steven ducker and richard hoffman thank you sir you have three minutes and if you would just be mindful of the direction given to you by our county attorney and go knolls yes ma'am name and address for the record yes ma'am james gromlich 382 west wing court lake mary florida 32746 uh thank you for this opportunity to be heard um now if i can only read my writing um good afternoon thank you for the opportunity oh i just said that as a 60 year old florida native um i know the difference between growth for growth sake and growth that serves public interest um i was born in miami moved here in the 90s and have lived in florida my entire life um i understand growth is an issue growth is a problem but growth is also what feeds our communities um the growth at life point has happened recently over the past couple of years with families with small children we are out of room to have classrooms for children um i have served at life point since uh since we started in 2002 um i have been an elder i've taught sunday school run sound empty trash cans do whatever needs doing um we just we need room for our kids area um and and to that end we want to move our adults out of that building move our adults to a new building on site um so that we can renovate the existing uh building to be children and families only that's for the safety of our kids right now our lobby runs right through our kids area we want to provide a more secure environment for the children and a better place for them to learn i would encourage you to approve the special exception for life point christian church and thank you for your time thank you next speaker name and address for the record please sir yes stephen ducker 1325 summer tree court longwood florida so i was unable to attend the zoning meeting uh cove but i did go to the community meeting i just got a few concerns to address bring up so looking at the conceptual plan it shows a or it says in there there's going to be a 30 foot height when you look at the uh look at the drawing they made of it it doesn't appear to be bigger than the other buildings but none of them buildings are 30 foot high uh parking so the parking that they're putting to accommodate that is only for the new building that i can see so the number of people attending the attending a worship they're providing so many spaces but that that wouldn't cover existing building whatever you such using kids whatever and the parking is going to be shell parking i do appreciate the fact that that allows water to pass into the ground a little bit and not run off the property however it doesn't look very good so right some of the parking they got now they got shell on it and of course they're going to be expanding the parking basically the the expansion here is going to cover the entire property with some kind some kind of building parking or retention pond uh gonna lose a lot of green space it's a nice looking property right now i've lived there for nearly 40 years i've lived in the bay lagoon neighborhood i'm on the neighborhood that actually butts up to the back of the property so our biggest concern or one of our big concerns is the drainage we actually now have a problem where our properties are getting flooded in the back of the property uh back of the subdivision and abutting woodlands elementary especially when they uh added the new little small subdivision there although improving the retention upon there helped with that uh traffic i mean if the traffic turns out to be a problem maybe they put a cop out there on the weekend on sunday to help get the people in and out i almost got hit just walking my dog that would be what would be the most dangerous intersection there people are looking and they're not even looking for pedestrians you may have pedestrians going to the church also and uh it's a conceptual plan you got right now it's not really a final plan i mean they don't want to put the bucks into the final plan for the building and the location of everything but i'm wondering if if there would be a hearing once they have a final plan the actual building they intend to build right now it's all conceptual so uh you know right now like i say the building doesn't look any bigger than the others and it says it will be so those uh those are my prop those are my issues thank you so much for your input mr eger next speaker next is richard hoffman and then ronald stein hi my name is richard hoffman i live at 1372 north marcy drive in longwood we are in the bay lagoon subdivision which abuts life point church when i came in we had a form to sign which said are you in favor or are you against you need to add a check box said maybe um and i appreciate the commissioners allowing us a little bit of time to talk about special circumstances which i believe our neighborhood has our properties that abut on the northwest side have concerns about flooding from the current site plan there is a retention pond that will be on the other side of my fence facing life point um it's large take a look at the plan um our concern is overflow is the storage of that and the special circumstance we have is that our properties mr stein who will speak next and i have our lawns 20 feet lower than the church property so i'm sure that now we get some of the percolation and runoff into our backyards but putting this large retention pond right behind the residential area is a real concern and a special need in my view um somebody recently said something very wise um all water in florida eventually flows somewhere and what was our concern is it's going to flow into our yards and it's going to create a flooding problem so um the maybe is if they will take a look at the specific plan the architectural contract plan and see if they can put the retention pond not up against the residential area this church borders two roads no residential property but this is planned to abut residential property and we just would request we know this will be approved um the zoning change um that your staff take a look and work closely with the church's leadership and the contractor to see if there's an alternative to how it's currently uh proposed so that's our special circumstance that we wanted you to be aware of i do know that the county has water hydraulic engineers they could take a look at the property percolation and what may what you may want to do as an alternative thank you very much thank you for being here next speaker sir name and address for the record good afternoon my name is ronald stein i live at 1374 north marcy drive which is directly behind the church i'm a resident of the bay lagoon subdivision my property is adjacent to the northwest portion of the church property it's important to note that my property sits up as dick mentioned my property sits approximately 25 feet lower in elevation as compared to the church property i do have several concerns with the current proposal specifically the retention ponds the new building is planned for the south side of the existing church structure additionally the proposal includes a retention pond and paved parking areas the retention pond is to be situated on the north side of property of the property between the existing church and my property i strongly object to the placement of a retention pond in the proposed location during periods of heavy rains or storms hundreds of gallons of water will potentially percolate down to my property and those of my neighbors given the difference in elevation heavy rainfall will cause water from the paved parking area to flow north increasing runoff towards the prevention the proposed retention pond currently rainfall is distributed evenly over the entire church property water naturally percolates down towards the path of least resistance a retention pond would more than likely direct percolation down to the adjoining properties i would strongly request that an alternative to a retention pond be investigated before approving the project thank you thank you miss drager does that conclude our speakers for this item yes ma'am thank you so much uh for the applicant would you like to respond to the concerns name and address for the record sure rick thickson 102 south orange street new swerner beach i'm the project engineer for the project and as was mentioned previously this is just conceptual in nature has the components that will be used for the site and the site design um at this point you know no detailed design has really taken place so we will take into consideration these comments and look at the final design to make sure it meets all of these people's concerns and the requirements that are will be pertaining to the project and most specifically the elevation as it relates to the neighbors elevation correct thank you anything else yes yeah so i since since you are the engineer um i do have a question in reviewing the community meeting uh questions and the summaries that were provided to us in our agenda packet one of the questions is specifically could the retention pond and building be switched in locations the answer that was given at the community meeting was it depends on the results of testing design alternatives will be developed that meet the st john's water management district and seminole county criteria is that still the correct answer correct so so if there if what is being proposed causes any type of impact to the neighbors you would have to redesign it correct okay yes i have a question if not for the project engineer but for our engineers we had a similar project you may not be aware of it happened several years ago on tuscawila road down by a loma we were building a small subdivision right up to a daycare and the pond was elevated and it met all the code and then our storm came through and it actually breached the wall of the pond and it flooded the neighborhood and part of it was the uh construction and the way it was engineered met all the code requirements but how do we ensure that this doesn't happen in this area i don't see the county engineer there somebody joe's here joe lofasso's here our assistant county engineer he'll come up he's taking the long walk taking a long way joe thinking about it it's such a question deserves an answer absolutely well said well said just the water's got to flow yes so joe lofasso assistant seminal county engineer public works so again as you rightly mentioned i was not at the county at the time that that particular subdivision was designed permitted constructed um so this is why obviously we have very great permitting staff here we have good public work staff here we will work with them you know now in the knowledge right so one thing we do have is experience so this your concerns been brought to our attention the concerns of the residents are brought to our attention um the stormwater permitting and design rules have changed since that time that was only about uh five six years ago if i remember right correct and i think around two or three years ago st john's actually altered the rules in terms of the permitting requirements so after that you know was done then the rules were changed so we're going to follow all the new rules and then obviously we're going to make sure that okay this is now a known scenario right it's not an unknown we've had something like this happen so how do we address it and there's multiple techniques you could use depending upon and again what's what their investigation finds on the site in terms of the groundwater the soil characteristics so i can't make a specific diagnosis until we have not asking to you i just want to make sure that we're paying attention to it so that this doesn't become an issue as we move forward right and we will absolutely take all this into consideration and as we go forward we'll look to see that that will not be an issue in this particular case thank you thank you so much you're welcome mr lockhart any other questions from our commissioners thank you sir so you've closed the public comment i've closed public comment okay um with that i would like to make a motion that based on staff's findings and the testimony and evidence received today at the hearing that the board finds the request meets the identified portions of the land development code and i move to approve the special exception and associated development order to allow with conditions the use of a community civic assembly church in the a1 zoning district on approximately 2.44 acres located on the northwest corner of ee williamson and myrtle lake hills road second we have a motion and a second any further discussion hearing none all those in favor aye opposed hearing none it passes unanimously thank you all for being here from your community we did hear you and we appreciate you doing this thank you the next item is item number 30 the sandy lane homes rezone this one will be presented by caitlin apgar senior planner and she's making her way up to the podium if you are here to speak on this item and you have not turned in a yellow form to miss drager in the front you will not be called on so we do ask that you turn in your form we won't be taking forms turned in later on in the day running up to the podium etc how many speakers do you have i believe 16 chairman okay 16 so far all right thank you caitlin i'll turn it over to you good afternoon caitlin apgar planning and development services the applicant is requesting the approval for a rezone from a1 agriculture and r1aa single family dwelling to mm missing middle for a proposed single family residential subdivision of 24 lots the property currently has a zoning designation of a1 agriculture and r1aa single family dwelling district the subject property has a future land use of low density residential this future land use supports the proposed missing middle zoning district the low density residential future land use allows for a maximum density of four dwelling units per net buildable acre the applicant is proposing a overall density of 3.88 dwelling units per net buildable acre the property is currently developed as a single family home the applicant proposes to develop the site as a single family residential subdivision having a maximum of 24 single family lots the applicant is proposing a minimum lot width of 57 feet with a minimum lot size of 6 500 feet square feet the site is located in seminal county's sewer utility service area and sunshine waters water utility service area the site will be required to connect to public utilities an agreement for billing of sewer will be required between the county and sunshine water services during final engineering plan review and prior to the approval of the utility agreement for sewer sewer service the development will have a primary access onto sandy lane which is classified as a local road a secondary right in and right out only access is proposed onto sand lake road which is classified as an urban major collector please advise the previous iteration of the staff report and presentation at the planning and zoning meeting indicated incorrect information regarding level of service for this road section after updated staff review it was provided that sand lake road is currently operating at a level of service a to c at this roadway section additional improvements to sand lake road may be required during the time of subdivision process there is an existing sidewalk on the adjacent portions of sand lake road and sandy lane therefore the developer will be required to connect the sidewalk along both property frontages the missing middle zoning district requirement requires a minimum of eight percent net buildable acreage be provided as open space landscape buffers are not required based on the intensity of the development open space and buffer criteria will be evaluated further during the time of final engineering seminal county public schools provided a school impact analysis for the proposed project the analysis concluded that the students generated by the project would be able to be accommodated without exceeding the adopted level of service at this time potential constraints and obstacles of development such as grading site elevation and level of service of sand lake road may present challenges however in staff's analysis these considerations do not preclude the site's compatibility with the overall intent of the missing middle zoning district the development plan is subject to change and further review of required criteria during subdivision processes please note this slide was in addition to the original slideshow so you may not have it in your printed agenda package the intent of the missing middle zoning district per the county's adopted land development code is as stated on the above slide the definition refers to the encouragement of a variety of housing choices and promoting affordability without additional subsidy the development will be required to meet standards per the land development code as outlined in the following slides as a summary the applicant is providing one typology single family in a residential tract no bigger than five acres the project is not proposed to be gated the provided conceptual development plan proposes a minimum of eight percent net buildable acres as open space and will provide pedestrian connectivity to open spaces and existing sidewalks the internal right-of-way is designed to establish connectivity from sand lake road to sandy lane the overall design of the development is consistent with the intent of promoting connectivity and accessibility to adjacent streets and roadways while stub outs were not provided to the two vacant lots to the northeast access to those parcels are not inhibited by this development one vacant lot retains frontage on sand lake road while the other retains frontage on both sand lake and sandy lane while the the overall and the overall development still meets the intent of the missing middle zoning district via the implementation of the block design through connectivity to sand lake road and sandy lane the applicant is aware of the two-story limitation and is only proposing one typology in this development additional site and building requirements will be evaluated during the final engineering stage for reference i have included the specific criteria from the code on these slides the applicant has demonstrated compliance with the open space requirements and has made a note on the conceptual plan that references the provision of street trees specific site details will be evaluated in final engineering inclusive of minimum parking requirements and building frontage consistency with the comprehensive plan is achieved through comprehensive plan policies projected on the slides above the proposed mm zoning is consistent with policy flu 4.2.1 by reduces by reducing lot sizes to allow for more compact site plans while adhering to the overall density in the area adhering to the street tree requirements and providing for a complementary missing middle typology within existing neighborhoods the request meets the trend of single family dwelling unit development in the surrounding neighborhoods while maximizing usable density within the allowable limit the subject site is approximately 1 900 feet as the crow flies from the nearest boundary of the urban centers and corridors overlay the proposed rezone supports encouraging a right wider range of housing choices in and around the centers and corridors overlay which meets the intent of flu policy 4.2.1a the proposed mm zoning classification acts as a transition in zoning for the surrounding trend of development in the area by staying staying consistent with both the permitted uses and density provisions of the low density future land use designation while allowing for more dwelling units to be achieved through flexible site standards the proposed development is located within the aquifer recharge overlay and a note has been made on the development plan stating compliance with the maximum impervious surface ratio of 60 percent in compliance with flu policy 2.3.12 b3 staff finds the proposed mm missing middle zoning classification to be overall consistent with the comprehensive plan in compliance with seminal county land development code section 30.49 community meeting procedure the applicant conducted a community meeting on september 23rd 2025 details of the community meeting have been provided in the agenda package the planning and zoning commission met on april 1st 2026 and voted to recommend the board deny the requested rezone the minutes from this meeting have also been included in the agenda package please advise staff did also receive additional letters and communications of opposition post agenda publication these were sent yesterday via email to commissioners aides but a physical copy has been presented for the record staff requests the board of county commissioners adopt an ordinance enacting a rezone from a1 agriculture and r1aa single family dwelling to mm missing middle as per the following motion based on staff's finding and the testimony and evidence received at the hearing the board finds the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan and meets applicable portions of the land development code and moves to adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone from a1 agriculture and r1aa single family dwelling to mm missing middle on approximately 7.54 acres located on the west side of sandy lane and south of sand lake road close my presentation thank you very much caitlin very well done commissioners any questions for our team at this point no is the applicant here and what he'd like to present is really a rhetorical question good afternoon madam chair fellow commissioners for the record brent spain theriak in spain 1809 edgewater drive orlando florida as i indicated the pnz hearing first i want to give my appreciation and thanks to miss apgar the project planner on this as you all know i've been before you many times i've practiced around the state and a lot of times you get a staff report that is superficial or conclusory and a lot of times someone like me my job is to go through and fly spec the staff report try to find additional policies or provisions in the code whether i'm representing neighbors or developers to point out to you all and i can tell you as i indicated the pnz this was one of the staff reports where when i fly spec'd it it matched up almost verbatim with my notes internally so kudos to your staff on doing a thorough review as miss apgar indicated the request before you this afternoon is a rezoning taking the split zoning of a1 and r1a and asking for mm or missing middle on the property the property consists of approximately five net developable acres it's at the corner of shady lane and sand lake road and the proposal before you as indicated on the conceptual plan which i think this is important because there's been some misunderstanding regarding what my client is proposing but it's 24 detached single family homes so some of the email correspondence i saw up on the county's website suggested that it was low income high density affordable housing nothing about the request of safranian is changing the density on the property the density is established by the county's conference plan the future land use map which is low density residential which is up to four dwelling units per acre there also have been suggestions that we are proposing live local act housing which is not the case we're not proposing townhomes we're not proposing quadplexes triplexes anything of the sort in fact we stipulated before the pnz that we would comply with the conceptual site plan that's in the packet and was shown during miss apgar's presentation which again shows 24 detached single family lots in all the five of those lots i think it's important to mention are 60 feet wide uh they're not 40 foot which some people have indicated or have expressed a concern under the missing middle regulations five of the lots are 57 feet wide and that's actually stipulated as a notation on the proposed conceptual plan the primary access one of the issues that got brought up at pnz was traffic so i want to touch upon that as we walk through it but the primary access of the project is on shady lane we could bring up that site plan sandy lane um their sand lake road is a right in right out at the north of the site plan and the primary entrance is off to the east a couple of the provisions miss apgar indicated and touched upon but i want to touch upon because there's several folks speaking here this afternoon is when you look at the land development code and unfortunately or fortunately we're the first missing middle project that i'm aware of in the county this is a newer zoning district in the land development code but you look at section 30.8.3 and the intent and i think it was one of miss apgar's slide is quote to encourage a wider range of housing choices in central locations and i would respectfully submit that this proposal meets that intent wholeheartedly secondly section 30.8.32 provides a single-family detached housing is allowed in missing middle which is exactly what my client is proposing section 30.8.33 indicates that a final development plan is required the conceptual one is on the screen for the commission but that section is important because it also indicates that the applicant can be held to comply with any conditions of approval so that was one issue that got brought up at the pnz was whether or not the county could actually condition this type of zoning approval and i would submit under section 30.8.3.3 that the commission can and that's important because uh pnz member richard german had asked us to stipulate on the record that in fact it would be single-family detached housing and would not be a bait and switch and suddenly become a triplex or quadplex so i would submit i'm authorized to stipulate the same today and we would certainly welcome that as a condition of approval the last land development code section i want to mention is 30.8.3.4 which again ties the uses that are allowed in the missing middle district to the underlying feature land use category in this case low density residential and there's a table in the land development code that states what's allowed and again detached single-family house housing is an allowed use in missing middle and then briefly i want to touch upon just a couple conference plan policies because again my clients burden here this afternoon as you all know is to show that we comply with the land development code and the comprehensive plan so the first policy is feature land use policy 4.1.1 which again i think miss apgar touched upon but that provision in part says quote the county shall encourage infill by maintaining feature land use and zoning districts that enable compact walkable land use patterns and then that policy specifically mentions the missing middle zoning category again we submit that this proposed development does further policy 4.1.1 by maintaining the land the ldr future land use density and creating a walkable area as miss apgar indicated it's only 1900 feet from a urban center flu policy 4.2.1 which again miss apgar mentioned the whole intent of the missing middle district is to provide greater greater housing choices in existing neighborhoods but one some of the language i want to emphasize this one sentence in particular because this essentially was a policy finding by the county and i'm quoting quote missing middle housing complements the character of already existing neighborhoods while slightly increasing density and walkability and again my client's project is not actually seeking to increase any density on the property but again there's a finding in the county's comprehensive plan that missing middle housing actually complements the character of already existing neighborhoods that will turn me to uh the traffic issue because traffic was brought up at the hearing before the pnz there were some questions about why we didn't do a traffic study and our response at the time was quite honestly that the county's land development code doesn't require this project to do a traffic analysis nonetheless since the pnz hearing and i will hand nine copies to the clerk we actually had walsh traffic engineering do a traffic analysis of the proposed 24 unit subdivision and the traffic study which was completed on may 6th confirms one the reason why a traffic study is not required in the first place but secondly that the trip generation from this project is de minimis looking at page two on the talks about trip generation at 24 dwelling units you have 16 outbound am peak hour trips and then you have 16 inbound pm peak hour trips this is important there was questions or issues raised about the school nearby the pm peak hour trips do not coincide with when school releases so the pm peak hour incoming trips are 16 incoming vehicles that's about one car every four minutes which i would submit is the minimis when you compare it to a regular development project again you heard miss apcar indicate that the pnz powerpoint presentation unfortunately had a erroneous reference to the level of service on sand lake road suggesting that it was operating i think it said at c to f during certain hours when in fact that level of service analysis has been updated in sand lake road this stretch is actually operating between a and c level of service but we asked our traffic engineer it's on page four of the report we asked the traffic engineer to look at three different things one was the existing roadway analysis that's the first sort of chart there on page four and the traffic engineer confirmed that that roadway is operating within acceptable levels of service we then asked the project engineer to project out to the anticipated build out of this project which is 2028 and factor in background trips that are anticipated on that roadway and that's what's in the middle of page four and again when you add in the background trip generation onto sand lake road as of 2028 the analysis confirms that sand lake road is operating within its acceptable levels of service we then asked our traffic engineer to go one step further and take the trip generation from the 24 proposed single family dwelling units and add it into the traffic generation as of 2028 including the background trips and that's at the bottom of page four and you'll see again when you take the existing trips the projected background trips and our anticipated trips in 2028 at full build out that sand lake road continues to operate within its level of service in fact when you look at the roadway capacity that the complete service volume is about 19 000 vehicles and it looks like the total background volume is about 13 5 or so and our trip our trip generation again is only a couple hundred trips per day so again with that said i would respectfully submit that the traffic concerns that were raised at pnz and now confirmed by city staff this afternoon that the roadway on sand lake operates within the level of service that our proposed 24 unit subdivision does not create any traffic problems on sand lake road and the last thing i mentioned before just reserving time for rebuttal and answering any questions is that the pnz if you all i know the minutes were in your guys packet the motion to deny was on to recommend denial was on three grounds one was on traffic slash school safety issues and again i'd submit we didn't have a traffic analysis then because we weren't required to do one we have since done one the traffic issue that was raised was sand lake road it was not the other roadway and the traffic analysis confirms that there is not a traffic issue on that roadway with with respect to the adopted levels of service which is what a developer is required to comply with i'm not suggesting that no one sits in traffic i sit in traffic the second issue was the concern about setting a precedent which respectfully i would just submit is not a review criteria and secondly as i indicated we're the first missing middle project to come through the county so inherently the first person in the door arguably is always setting theoretically a precedent because missing middle has never been approved yet but county staff responded to a question at the pnz hearing and indicated that they're not aware of any other surrounding properties that have asked for missing middle there's no other application pending seeking missing middle but then they did obviously incorrectly say that they can't state unequivocally that no one else would ever ask for missing middle and then the last reason for the motion to recommend denial was a concern that this project may potentially reduce the county's budget which respectfully presumably through decreased tax revenue which i would just submit is not again a review criteria in the county's code or comprehensive plan and respectfully there wasn't any evidence that this project would do that it was simply a speculative concern so i would respectfully ask this board consistent with miss apgar's staff report to approve the rezoning again our burden is to demonstrate that we're consistent with the land development code and the comprehensive plan i think miss apgar's written staff report as well as her presentation demonstrates that that as your county attorney can confirm is competent substantial evidence and then on the traffic issue i believe the may 6 traffic study that we've submitted demonstrates that there is no level of service issue on sand lake road so i appreciate your patience as i walk through that and myself as well as the developer mr jordan are here to answer any questions thank you uh board members any questions for the applicant at this time um i i do have a question about um the the choice of missing middle um because you had r1 double a what what is it that caused you or propelled you or maybe this is a better question for for the developer to choose missing middle yeah i can i can try to respond to it commissioner lockhart because it came up at pnz and there's a number of factors one in exploring potential zonings on it the feedback we got was that a pd or plan development was not preferred to go on that property and i'm sorry that you received that from whom yeah i believe my client received it from whom i i believe if i'm correct he may have spoken with the district commissioner with regard to pds not being desirable in the county but i wasn't privy to that conversation okay secondly there was a pre-application meeting on this property and due to the size and limitation of the property my understanding from the pre-application meeting that staff recommended that the parcel would be suitable and ideal for missing middle from the developer standpoint and what we indicated to pnz is again the ldr land use future land use allows up to four dwelling units per acre none of the straight zoning categories including missing middle can even obtain four dwelling is breaker on the property but missing middle can get a little closer to four dwelling is breaker but nothing can actually get to four dwelling units per acre okay so let me stop you there because i want to dig in a little deeper into that if i could so r1a allows you four units per acre but the lot itself the the parcels themselves you don't believe you could get four units four units an acre with r1a so you've selected missing middle because you think you could get closer to four units an acre with that zoning yes ma'am make sure i accurately mirrored back to you what it was that i thought i heard yes ma'am it's the minimum lot size dimensional requirements on r1a will not allow you to reach four dwelling units breaker you would yield less than 24 units 30 units uh is for dwelling is breaker but you can't get that on this property okay so that was the parcel the property itself what about the product can you tell me about the product the product as i indicated is a detached single-family home so it's on a 60-foot lot you know nowadays i would tell you that that's actually a larger lot than most developers are building most of my developer clients are whether it's the market driving it or the cost of development but most of them are building 40 to 50 foot lots other people don't want the lawn not here no i understand yeah so this a 60-foot lot is actually bigger than what most people are building these days and then when you look at as an infill project and the fact that the county's code actually drives you to even a smaller lot size than that i believe the county's land development code for missing middle would allow development of the lots to be consistent with the r1 double b standards which are 50 feet wide and 5 000 square feet so again my client didn't you know do this rush to the smallest lot possible they ended up building a larger lot at the same time trying to honestly maximize the potential yield on the site but i do want to mention something because you you bring up a good point about the the surrounding lot sizes are r1 double a if you could bring up the site plan again when you look at the site plan because this again has been brought up if you look at the southern boundary there are four existing lots on the south side our project proposes five lots across the southern border the remainder of it is open space common area and then when you look on the western boundary there are six existing homes in the pd to the e to the west and then on our project we've designed it so we have seven proposed lots on the west and then the remainder is open space then we have concentrated lots on the internal part of the development so again when you're looking at comparison of number of lots to number of lots we've done our best to try to line them up so it's six lots versus seven on the west and there's five versus four on the south understanding that the lot widths differ but the number of rooftops are very similar in number so when i asked about the product one of the things that always comes up in these rezonings is existing neighborhoods concerned that the product that's being built will be um will be attracting uh a lower income type of uh buyer um square footage i will never forget we had a project out uh near the airport i think it was in kentucky maybe my district yeah i remember it was your district and one of the you know the repeated comments from neighbors was i don't want 1200 square foot homes i my house is 4 000 square feet i want a more 4 000 square foot home so it's more compatible and i think compatible is in the eye of the beholder but i noticed in a lot of the written comments here today it was it was mostly related to this is going to lower my property value so can you talk about the product in terms of if that was you with the existing home who was concerned about this product lowering your property value what that's why i'm asking describe the product yeah well i'll do some of them then i'll have mr jordan talk about i know it was discussed at the community meeting with respect to the single-family detached houses what they anticipate the whatever you would call it the average sales price and the anticipated square footage he'd be more appropriate to direct that question to you and i'm happy to have him answer it you know my my response to it from a land use attorney perspective is i understand the desire theoretically to have like to like you know a versus a but for as you indicated for compatibility standpoint it doesn't need to be a next to a so it doesn't need to be four thousand next to four thousand in fact i don't even believe your code requires me to build a four thousand square foot house on r1 double a i just threw a number out there no i know and i know there it's a very nice surrounding area so i understand that concern that's why i wanted to point out ahead of the public comment the fact that the number of lots versus the number of existing homes we did try to line it up so that it's very similar i did hear you say that but i would love it if he could answer my question yes could we have him come up to answer the question thank you so most interested in square footage and price is what i'm hearing maybe number of stories that kind of cover it madam chair since i i was invoked on a in one of the questions that you made i wanted to say that yes in april of 25 i met with mr jordan and i suggested that he go straight zoning not missing middle not not uh anything else but straight zoning as what it applied to is which is r1 double a i understand thank you name for the name and address for the record sir my name is larry jordan 1507 blue water run julio florida 32766 yes i met with the commissioner um bringing the project to his attention because it was his district and i wanted to make sure that i comply with the county's requirement um it was just a suggestion because obviously most of the developers want to go with a pd and pd accomplishes most of the time a lot more density that's why we did it as a straight zoning because we wouldn't be able to get as much density as we can get with a pd that's usually what happens with developers um the other thing is and they since the first meeting the community meeting i always always said that we were doing single family homes price point anywhere from 800 000 to 1.2 1.3 million dollars that the homes there sell for approximately 800 to 750 000 on up on that area most of the homes there because the value of the properties there is very desirable obviously so um that was my my always my target on what type of home we were going to build so that it would not impact any of the communities in the area that was always the intent okay and how large a home is that for that price point three thousand on up so we can obviously set uh square footage minimum size we usually set set we can set like a 2500 square foot minimum on any community if we can do that we will be willing to do that all right thank you very much for answering my question multi-story two stories only all right thank you very much that's all i have for now any other questions commissioners no that was just clarified for me all right with that we'll go to public comment miss strager how many forms do we have at this point we have 18 forms all right we ladies and gentlemen we have 18 forms the time limit for this is you're going to go second the time limit for this is three minutes we're going to call you up three or four at a time i'm going to ask that you come up and stand in a line so we can go one after the other this goes more favorably for you all if you don't repeat what the previous person said i i kid you not because it's really hard to listen to the same thing over and over again we want to make sure that you make all of the points that you want to get heard the ones that are most important and not simply read us the same letter over and over again i would also tell you that i'll ask for the audience to be very respectful so that we can hear each speaker we know what you're all here for we don't really need any cheering and all of that we'd like it to be as positive as possible so that we can get the best possible outcome for you so with that who are the first four speakers gary chrysler lee woldridge sandy shea and andrew zito all right mr chrysler come up name and address for the record my name is gary chrysler 386 forest park circle longwood i have the pleasure of being a constituent of commissioner constantine and have known him since graduated ucf i think we're pretty close after that as a 50-year resident of seminal county who's lived in several different types of homes and has bought and resold 12 homes i currently reside in forest park estates which is directly across the street from the entrance of shady lane my emphasis here is for us to remain keep our eye on quality i've never known any of you to violate that standard and what i'm asking you today is to do the very same thing one more time there's been contradictory comments being made by this developer over the past few months and so here we are now listening to the latest version which has promises that to me seem to not be able to be kept you know quality starts with leadership and we've enjoyed strong dedicated leaders from our city county and school boards we don't always agree but we know that we're our our we all wish for the same thing and that that is to create a better and safer and more environmentally safe seminal county we've kept a watchful eye on the environment our safety and services which is why we are all here today our neighborhood is positioned right across the street from shady lane which i have to say is probably one of the most beautiful pieces of property there is if you've not been down there to see that you would see that anything less than what has already been built there is a crime it's a crime against each of the neighbors it's a crime against the environment and and some of the exaggerated statements such as a 1700 foot walk or yard walk to commerce would mean that you would have to walk through a marshland with snakes and alligators and you'd be up to your waist in muck so i don't believe that a lot of these comments are actually legit i do agree with the many folks that are going to follow me about safety and traffic and children and all of that but i think that the most important thing is to understand that shady lane and that neighborhood has some of the most like i mentioned most beautiful and environmentally sensitive land this should not be the first example of missing middle in seminole county if you look at missing middle you can look at wakiva or you can look down the road at san uh uh um the end of our street where we have wakiva cove and next to it apartments and townhouses and the like that are on main roads and have access to 436. this would not be the benefit that benefit the folks that have invested in the neighborhood here and as a builder myself who understands the need for profit we all have to live next to each other and protect each other and and be reasonable so i ask you all to be reasonable and to turn this down turn missing middle down missing middle should never be built on on um on sandy lane and if our folks knew well enough about it they would know that it's not shady lane and it is not as uh all right thank you relevant for this property thank you mr chrysler we were you were doing so good you sit down gary thank you all you know where i stand all right next speaker hi i'm uh lee woldridge and i live at 337 forest park circle right a couple houses down from him um it's nice to see that there's a a lee represented on the board too so anyway um i don't want to rehash a lot of the fear that other people are going to talk about the obvious things of traffic and so forth but uh as he was saying i built my house as well and i've lived in orlando since the mid 50s i grew up in pine hills on the corner of powers of balboa and uh went to robinswood and made it evans and my parents died in the pine hills and uh so uh i've lived here for uh since 1980 and uh uh this is two things one is once you rezone this um i don't know that there's any legal way you can constrain the guy to build what he's sort of promising to build um uh he can certainly sink to the lowest possible denominator which would be plopping a lot of little tiny houses in between a whole area of custom houses that that range in prices from over over a million dollars down to uh maybe as little as 450 000 maybe 500 000 uh and and then that is that will have a major impact on our ability to sell i've worked with uh uh people pricing construction and and pricing house sales and i know how the impact of close residents can have on your house so uh and i do believe that the reduction in the value of over 100 houses is going to probably exceed the tax base that you would get from the 25 or maybe 30 houses he's going to build there if as opposed to the the 12 houses that could be built there or even the four houses that could be built there that would be quite valuable so uh that's a that's a consideration i think that that the county should think about bad bad planning um and and on top of that it's uh uh again that's those are the two points i think the point is that if you this would be a grave mistake and to make to make to zone this this way and not and vary from the r1a and houses all the way around it and it would be kind of a blight in the neighborhood so i appreciate it thank you thank you call up the next speaker and i'm just going to give a little reminder i know this was a long time ago when our county attorney read this but we can only consider competence substantial meaning it can be substantiated and factual evidence please name for the record come on up ma'am hello i'm sandy shea and i live at 1160 sandy lane road and so first i want to say thanks to the board your dedication to work with jordan has been great and your dedication to work with others has been wonderful and as a as an owner's right rights of an owner is to comply with what you ask and to make sure that the person that is selling the property who's purchased and wanting to purchase the property follows through with your compliance and to do the things that you have required for him to do and that following your advice and after meeting the requirements that owners also have a right to to be able to sell the property to be able to retire after many many many many many long years of work and service into the area area and that uh we also have enjoyed the neighborhood and to us the neighborhood is very valuable and the neighbors are wonderful and the ability to be able to walk the streets and the roads and to feel great about it is is great to be able to do and i do it every day and so we definitely do not want the neighborhood to be any less than what it is now but only to grow with the community and with the growing as as people do and older people come in and they don't have any children and they just want a little bit less land to take care of and but yet still a wonderful home to live in and so this was what we wanted to have built in this area was good quality homes and the ability to still have sidewalks to walk on and to feel you're living in a safe area in a safe neighborhood and that was why we wanted to sell the property so that other people could enjoy living around great people and around a safeness that is in that area and so this project has met your requirements and we appreciate that he has met everything that you've asked to do and we thank you for your consideration to vote yes thank you very much ma'am next speaker and while you're on your way up mr egger will you call the next four thank you judith stevens steve litt donnie anderson and sherry austin okay this is a representative of the sandy lane hoa requesting six minutes and you're speaking so if you're speaking on behalf of the sandy lane hoa then no one else from sandy lane can speak if you take the six minutes which we're good with so nobody none of the other homeowners from sandy lane that's how that works if you live in sandy lane and you want to speak raise your hand cool i think we're good i only have a few folks were able to make it from work today okay you don't know who's in your hoa uh excuse me you're trying to figure out who's in your hoa well i saw them when they came in okay um anyway good afternoon uh my name is andrew zito i am fortunately or unfortunately the president of the sandy lane homeowners association i took this gig because they told me it was a quiet neighborhood nothing happened and now i'm standing in front of seminal county commission that's fun um a little bit let me first start by thanking you thank you thank you for what you do uh communicating with the seminal county government has been great working with caitlin was great um it was really refreshing and i appreciate it so uh with that said a little bit about us if we could pull that map back up that would be awesome uh we are 23 homes on three cul-de-sacs we are directly to the south of the proposed land um we are a third of an acre to half an acre lots all custom homes the ones that have been discussed a million plus dollar homes back there what makes us a little bit more interested in this particular development is we are one way in and one way out and that one way in and one way out is the aforementioned shady lane it's actually called sandy lane for the record but that is our primary road to get to the rest of the world so the primary entrance to this development is proposed to be built right on sandy lane which is between us and sand lake road um and that presents a whole bunch of different questions for us uh on street parking safety just a little bit about sandy lane when there's a garbage truck on it you have to go to one lane to get around it it's not a big road it's a very very small road and right across from the main entrance to the proposed development is a schoolyard so there's definitely some concerns about whether the capacity on sand lake on sandy lane um is capable of handling this i'm not going to get into the traffic study on sand lake road except to say that um no that's that's not true at all come come go down sand lake road with us at any point in the day you'll see whatever happened that traffic study can't be accurate um it is an unsafe road to be on right now having said all that my second point in addition to the traffic on sandy lane um is one of equitable development so in our neighborhood when we when you invest a million or so dollars in a house you're looking around when i bought my house i looked at the land around me and i saw it was zoned agricultural we buy back there because it's quiet and i think we sort of had an inkling that at some point in time somebody would build on that that land we would build houses there i don't think we could have ever estimated that we would be building 24 and moreover i don't think and i'll get to this point in a second so nobody get too upset i don't think we knew that we could potentially be looking at condos and townhouses and i know that's not being what's being proposed but i have some questions about whether or not there's an opportunity for that to happen in the future i'll get to that in a second we are not anti-development we are anti using a mechanism to build more houses than should be built on this particular piece of land to that end i have done a ton of research on missing middle zoning i know more about zoning than i ever wanted to know in my entire life yes i know i apologize i have read cover to cover your 2020 document that was published i think by this room on missing middle and i've also read a whole bunch of different um articles and things and it seems as though there is a bit of a flaw in the missing middle logic missing middle as i understand it was designed to promote affordable and different types of housing but most specifically affordable housing and connectivity we just heard the applicant say that we're talking about 850 to million dollar plus homes i don't know what the technical definition of affordable home is in florida but i don't think it's 850 to a million dollars so yes we meet the technical requirements for a rezone here but i think we are definitely taking advantage and i'm not accusing the developer i have nothing nothing but nice things to say about him i think we're using a mechanism in this zoning without really getting to its true intent right its intent was to create affordable housing that's not what's being proposed here so i think there's a mismatch with regards to connectivity let's be clear we are connecting sand lake road with itself about 300 400 feet down the road there's no connectivity because our neighborhood doesn't go through we're not connecting sand lake road to 434 or 436 we're connecting sand lake road with itself so connectivity is is a questionable thing as well our primary concern however with the missing middle designation is the uncertainty that comes along with it as has been said here it's never been approved in seminole county and i think we need to think long and hard about whether this is the place that we start with that and here's the reason my understanding coming into today is that once it is rezoned missing middle allows for a bunch of different housing types condos duplexes triplexes all of these different things if rezoned even though the applicant is saying that he will build single family homes and he has stipulated to that and i believe that what happens between he doesn't own the land yet so what happens between today when you vote and when that shovel hits the dirt we took we heard a whole bunch of different things engineering and all the plans that have to be approved what happens if this deal falls through and another developer who has not stipulated to building single family homes gets a hold of that property are we then looking at condos townhouses triplexes and duplexes which i don't think is the intention of the board here today or the the the board commissioners here today so in speaking while i was waiting to his attorney i understand there may be some mechanisms that you all can employ to prevent those types of housing from being built on this land if so i think we really need to understand those because that's a major concern of ours in addition to the density but so for all those reasons in summary because my clock is counting down on me here number one traffic on sand lake road and sandy lane specifically sandy lane because it is our primary ingress and egress two is um the equitable um the equitable development and not disenfranchising existing homeowners who bought back there um understanding this land was zoned one way and then lastly it's just understanding the impact of missing middle what that means whether we're using it appropriately in this particular regard and what protections we can get against different types of houses that we would not want to be built there thank you for your time um and please vote no thank you so much next speaker name and address for the record madam chairman commissioners and staff and my neighbors i'm steve litt from 385 forest park circle in longwood uh six points in three minutes point zero there's no shady lane and uh please if you're gonna make left in left or right in right out don't put barriers because that's gonna make hunt club into a u-turn nightmare point one after listing testimony and evidence received in the hearing the planning zoning commissioners voted five to one to deny the rezoning on sandy lane lane by sand lake you appointed these volunteer commissioners to evaluate what's best so please agree with their recommendations and deny this rezoning request point two the applicant hangs his hat on the on his ordinance adherence to the comprehensive plan but if the florida constitution and state statutes that intended such adherence to be sufficient rather than necessary the final decision would have been left to staff not the county commissioners point three about this supposed adherence goal four in the future land the second use document of the comprehensive plan is to grow walkable active places no matter how marvelously the applicant connects to sand lake sidewalks and lays down his own sidewalks the net net effect is to trash walkability and bike ability throughout the sand lake corridor two pace brantley school students were hit by cars this year let's not approve a non-adherent zoning change that makes it even worse and i'd like to add that take a look at sand lake if you think if you believe that it's not a problem point four it's not just this property it's the precedent for all the other semi vacant properties including the nine point six five acre fire creek at lake brantley pre-application whose url i supplied with the the lists of urls that i passed out i passed out those urls to give you factual evidence on everything i'm saying point five i'm going to skip for time point six when deciding please remember that i could have recited three additional important points and refuted every rebuttal to all these points but unlike the applicant's council i have only three minutes please deny missing middle to this property now and until the mess on sand lake has been completely cured thank you for your time and for listening to us thank you for being here next speaker name and address for the record please and you can lower that mic thank you my name is jude stevens i live at 611 andrew street in altamont springs i have lived at that address for 28 years and it is directly behind forest city elementary school um i try really hard to stick to facts um the first one is that like he said the board of county commissioners voted not to recommend that we change the uh the zoning to missing middle uh also in the last meeting that we had um i believe ms apgar and also the builder both said that he could build what he wanted to build without changing the zoning now to go back to the community meeting that was held in september which was mobbed i don't know if you have minutes to that i've never seen minutes never saw anybody take minutes at that meeting but um we asked him that specifically many many people asked him that he said if i said if you can build what you say you want to build without changing the zoning why are we here and his response was he told us that in order to make money he could not just build 24 to 26 single family homes nobody could he wanted to build in total maybe not on this particular parcel but in total in that area between 54 to 71 total units some would be single family affordable at 600 to a million not sure i agree with that and then the rest would be multi-family that he said over and over is his intention he said he needed the rezoning on this parcel because otherwise he nor anyone nor anyone else could make money and it would be easier to get other places rezoned if he could get this one rezoned like everyone else with the traffic there are times i should be able to make a straight shot out of my subdivision to sand lake road but i can't i have to go through two other neighborhoods and turn up west lake brantley to get to a street to get to a traffic light to turn on to sand lake road well doesn't matter usually what time of day that's happening he also brought up the right turn in and right turn out onto sand lake road and at the very end of the last meeting he said i thought kind of flippantly um so i'll put in a median well it's a two lane road except for the turning lanes when you're going into other streets you can't put a median there please vote no on this he doesn't need it thank you very much i just do want to clear up for the record it was the planning and zoning committee that voted no it was not the county commission thank you i just have to say it for the record i know it's hard to be at that podium yes sir and while you're coming up miss trigger will you call the next four laurie bartlett kevin carter uh j kyle j kyle and cynthia hayes yes sir go ahead name and address for the record thank you my name is donnie anderson i reside at 200 berry court and that's in longwood florida three two seven seven nine and are you in the subdivision i am in the subdivision across the street forest park estates thank you yeah that's where i reside um you can say a lot of things but given the amount of time that we have i've in front of you i've sent out a lot of information and i also presented uh some of the things that i've created on there's three separate videos uh that you are aware of um and hopefully have viewed it kind of summarizes you know what we're about and what the issues are are and i would and i would just you guys are the line we as a homeowner we do what we can to take care of our homes and do our kids and get them to school and all that it's a responsibility as uh commissioner german says hey look sandy lane and and sand lake road the issues on sand lake road are the the county's fault it's basically what he said you go back and look at it the issues of traffic and everything else so you guys are the last line of defense and i'll go to uh a commissioner dollar raise uh let's talk about the uh the project that went awry it was done by code it was sent by code but then it flooded everything out and who's to say that this isn't the same thing the promises that are made we know the previous uh the person has said it before uh that mr cito the guy doesn't own the property yet there's all kinds of things that could happen the zoning is questionable and why couldn't this do like like commissioner lopez said it clearly in the last video you think this could be done with a different type of zoning and that's all i'm asking that this board take a look at exactly what's trying to go on because you you have you're not approving a development you're approving the zoning so you're the last line of defense when it comes to us to defend us to uphold the safety of the corridor and i just respectfully ask that you uphold the decision of the pnz board that there's a better way to do this and we have to trust that you're going to do the right thing for us thank you thank you next speaker please name and address for the record good afternoon i'm sherry austin and i live at 200 berry court in forest park estates at 32779 in longwood and um i like my husband just said we live directly across the street from sandy lane and i'm probably the resident with the most years in the sand lake corridor 61 years of my 63 so i have seen the growth i can't even imagine what sand lake road would look like if we still had to deal with teague middle school on sand lake road thank god that moved to mcneil but um the board the commissioner board shot down um a rehab center that was trying to go on that same property many years ago and i thank you for denying that promote proposal but um today there will be many people discussing the traffic and safety um i'm telling you the only time sand lake road is free from horrible traffic is when school's out of session and it's in the summer um so we have uh those obvious concerns about traffic and safety others will discuss um our concerns about property values and the compatibility um if i were the homeowners across the street i certainly wouldn't want missing middle coming in um i respectfully ask the board of commissioners to uphold the zoning and board or the zoning and planning board's decision to deny missing middle and i thank you for your decision to deny it thank you thank you thank you ma'am name and address for the record yes you can lower it uh i'm laurie bartlett um i live at 816 real alamato drive altamont springs which is um of course on the other side of 434 but i have friends and used i worked at lake grantley for a number of years before i retired and i have friends that live down there so i drive sand lake as many people do or evidently not many people um so why am i here i mean i can easily or not easily turn left and go down 436 to everything i i would like to go to it is an easier way except a friend's house because there's a sign there's a a phrase in this room in three different places it's up there it's behind me and it's behind you and it needs to be considered for what i don't remember the gentleman's name in the future starting today if you approve missing middle you are changing missing middle in this case is being done at a builder's request the phrase up there behind me and behind you says seminal county there's a flag of the seminal county and then it says florida's natural choice one needs to be careful how much of the natural choice you are giving to builders florida's natural choice could likely become seminal county florida's builder's choice thank you for your time thank you next speaker hello everyone my name is jay keelachimovich if i'm having a bad hair day let me know and i'll put this on otherwise i'll get right to business thank you i live at 215 duncan trail and i understand this is supposed to be a single family home community so as long as you guys can keep it that way you have my support and what your decision is the concern that people like me have is if this turns in the missing middle he sells it off and someone else takes it over and then this ends up just becoming a chip for him to make more money i understand builders have to make money but single family home community i could say a lot here but it's been covered by a lot of the other speakers and that's really all i wanted to say today thank you for your time thank you we appreciate your brevity hello my name is kevin carter i live at 201 berry court i'm here as an expert licensed witness my background is pvti pipe fitters and hydro plant design also licensed master plumber and i'm also a building inspector the problem that is not being quite or the picture not being dissolved for you is on the top left corner of the property we have a power grid power lines not your just basic electrical lines this is off the power grid that is coming through that area the builder originally wanted to build somewhat underneath that area and the building probably said no way you can't get close to those power lines so my concern is i also deal with with um the but uh um the kind of basin the aquifer underneath um through my company we keep track within that area of at least a dozen springs that has popped up because of construction there's also has been 200 feet away from this particular property a spring that had popped up which is part of the county's um knowledge the building department and the uh storm water had actually took them over two million dollars and almost two years to cap that when it ruptured 200 feet away from this property in the middle of this property there was a small dwelling that was their house and it had a well when they had to leave our company we actually had to go in and tap it and close it off and work with the st john's river management because it's artesian well right below the surface is the aquifer and scraping that area can rupture and create bigger issues and that property is sloped like this room right here it's one inch per 12 inch you know every 12 inches it goes up an inch so it's greatly sloped and that whole area during hurricanes heavy rainstorms some of the lower dwelling neighborhoods have been flooded there's um there's a couple of schools there's the pace school that gets flooded there's also a seventh day adventist church and school that's there that has the ball field has numerous times been under under water so again up to this is lockhart the answer is yes everything flows downhill i have to work with the water department stormwater department sunshine water and i we transfer water from one reservoir from one lake to retention ponds and stuff like that so that way we try to keep from having our county flooded um just recently over by 436 and 434 they spent over 85 million dollars to restore some of the um storm water to try to connect some of the canals some of the lakes some of the retention ponds to keep the water flowing to keep from flooding this you know so it has it as a county y'all have already spent hundreds of millions of dollars and we're worried about what we're worried about is another rupture in what kind of basin um i've asked for environmental impact nobody's given me one um this is something our company has to deal with because when something gets ruptured and broken we have to come in and destroy it where builders will just pack and say well we'll just go bankrupt and close our company and and let the county deal with our mess um and then that's when they call me in because i got to go cap these wells these springs and this was the past four or five years big flooding that's been going on in that particular area so and they had to downsize it because of those power lines and that's why they the builder wanted a lot more homes and now he was forced to you know confined to a smaller area and they're trying to count the seven acres that's not really theirs that's part of the utility commission's property thank you i don't know next speaker please do you have more please read their names michael heidman susan montanez mohammed munir and judy pizzo we're almost to the bottom almost please go ahead man i is cynthia hayes 1104 cambridge court longwood 32779 i live in the lecaiva hunt club area i did send an email in september but i felt like i needed to update a little bit i don't claim to understand all things about how land zoning works but i don't believe this housing is what's best for the community i've learned more since the original email in september and i understand that houses will be built in this area most likely at some point with the current zoning but with missing middle that means even more housing and it's it's denser just like they talked about um sorry once missing middle is uh if it's approved they will have the green light to build whatever they want and uh they can make those promises that they've made but their experience and their business is multi-family it's it's obvious on their website that's what their experience is and that's difficult to fight there's one area i think that they did single family what they can do and what they will do may be different and we know business and money dictate that and not community well-being traffic is a big concern just drive up and down sand lake road from 6 45 a.m to 8 30 a.m kids getting dropped off etc after school there are parents out in the middle of sand lake road making sure that the pace brantley kids don't get run over by the cars trying to go around the line of cars going into the school and somebody mentions that kids had been hurt the schools and their limited staff in the area so this is going to increase students are already under stress adding students outside the zone now in addition to finding space for those in the zone and i've worked in the school so i know that is a stressor more people generate more general security and public safety concerns and the need for added patrols and concerns for ems routes with delays utility loads etc most importantly the students walking and biking is a huge safety issue like i mentioned there's obvious needs in seminal county for crossing guards bus drivers sheriff department seminal county public schools utilities they all seem high because i keep seeing all these hiring notices going out in social media and it's constant for all of these departments so this is just adding to all of that for departments that apparently aren't able to fill up their spots this won't be the last property to build but to double maybe the capacity from the current zoning seems chaotic and possibly irresponsible please vote no on this project we love our community but we start to feel squeezed out for a dollar thank you for your time and service thank you next speaker name and address for the record please sir michael heidman 405 forest park circle longwood florida 32779 i live in the forest park estates community i'm here to express my opposition to the missing middle zoning proposed at the san elena homes project i'm not opposed to development i make a living off of development two-thirds of the subject property is already zoned for r1aa for 90-foot lots which is consistent with the surrounding neighborhood there's no need to rezone to missing middle for those two lots there is an existing agriculture property which has a lovely estate on it riding arena paddocks would be a beautiful home for someone i don't know why the the seller is is selling that as part of the land but there's no need to rezone those two-thirds of the property to missing middle i would support the agriculture rezone to a r1aa but nothing else there's one thing i want to make clear we keep hearing this is a single family home development that's been proposed caitlin made it clear in her proposal that the development plan is subject to change i want to i want to say that again the development plan is subject to change you're not here to vote for a development for single-family homes you're voting for missing middle that's the concern here there's no guarantee of housing typology and the county loses control of ensuring that there is in fact a single-family home developed at this property for that reason i ask you to vote no we heard the applicant state that they specifically picked missing middle to increase the density at the lot the same concern that their commissioner had when he met with the applicant in april of last year was go straight to zoning don't do pd because that will in fact increase density there's something that hasn't been said yet the full intent and purpose of missing middle and i'm going to read it out loud because it's been touched on but not read fully the purpose of the missing middle district and alternative standards is to encourage a wider range of housing choices in central locations accessible to services this includes permitting smaller units and more compact site plans to increase affordability without subsidies central locations to services it's a 24-minute walk to the closest bus stop it's on 436 it's over a mile away affordability we've heard the applicant state today and i've heard the applicant state repeatedly they intend to sell these homes or townhomes or duplexes for 800 000 to 1.2 or 1.3 million how is that increasing affordability in the area it fails to meet the intent of missing middle this is the first missing middle rezone application to come before this board it's important that you get this right it will set a precedent for the area it will set a precedent for the county for what's acceptable i encourage you to uphold the 5-1 denial from the board from the planning and zoning board and ask you to deny this today thank you thank you next speaker please hello i'm susan montanez and i live at 3566 tara oaks court in longwood and uh just want to thank you for your time today and you know when i think about this possible rezoning and how it's truly pulled our community together off sand lake road in a weird sort of way i have to say thank you to um them for even bringing this forward because you can see the passion that we all have um and no disrespect to the person who did the traffic study but um i've lived there since 2000 i work full-time even through covid was going in i didn't have much traffic then um but the traffic is really bad we have four schools lake brantley high school forest city elementary we've got forest lake with um 700 students and um pace brantley with i think a little over 100 and neither one of those last two schools have public transportation i personally sit in the mornings and wait i can listen to one to two podcasts going in just on sand lake road alone um the thought of rezoning to have more homes in our area is is crazy if you come there one morning and you drive down there when school is in you will understand why i think there was 16 or 17 of us took off work made a point to come here so you can hear from us that it's crazy to rezone in that area if seminole county wants to look at a project like this pick another road that doesn't have four schools on it because it's real and you know time is valuable and i will go brief because time is valuable and i hope you all don't know thank you thank you so much good afternoon my name is mohammed from 111 shelly code longville florida 32779 i just live across the sandy lane i'm only came for just one point i have already sent you guys email with a couple of points i'm deeply concerned about the school impact my family has a child with special need including autism and multiple time he has come home from school with bruises and when we asked the principal and teacher about this incident we were told that overcrowding uh is affecting supervision and staffing uh that is not just a capacity number on the paper it is real safety issue for children who need special extra support uh therefore uh i would request you to please uh deny this this only thank you so much thank you sir is that the public school that you're speaking of yes uh okay if you would take that up with the public school board that would be ideal we have no governance over that uh could you please call the next speakers pam tapley and gary rathwell the final speakers all right there we go okay well quite a bit of what i was going to say has been said except i am judy pizzo my husband and i live at 255 new waterford place in the wakawa cove development which is at the northeast corner of sand lake road and line drive to say to say that a traffic study was done and presented or finished may 6 i know where the tubes were put on the road they were put where there was little traffic and i might be wrong and i apologize if i am wrong on that but as a former transportation planner with the florida department of transportation i know what those things look like and they certainly weren't at the eastern end of sand lake road which has a very high density of traffic even when school is out it can be challenging so i'm going to try to get back to my notes here uh i want to recognize the commissioners for your time i know it's been a very long day for you your meeting started at 9 30 i feel for you i also want to thank those who have presented their comments ahead of me and the two that are going to be behind me i've already mentioned the traffic study i find it incredulous i also question the public meeting gee why didn't us at the west end of sand lake road get that invite that would have been fun i am confused about what the developer his idea of affordable housing we've already talked about that that is rather incredulous if you're putting 24 homes on this property and you're paying 800 000 to a million for a property you're going to have more than two cars so you're already putting anywhere from 48 to maybe 60 or more cars onto sand lake road at any given time so the developer's representative to say it's going to be minimal impact i find that to be unreasonable my point is this high density development is more in line with something you would see in downtown winter park or maybe even try sanford this high density development if this zoning change goes through will definitely put a burden on this community and the character of our corridor i'm asking the the board here to understand that how you vote today it might impact the developer but he'll get over it he can always go back to the drawing board and come up with something that is less invasive and less dense but if you vote yes it's going to impact a greater group of people and we're already living with a high-impacted road i want to thank you for your time and for hearing us today thank you for being here hi there and thank you very much for having me today i'm pam tapley pace brantley preparatory school head of school and i just wanted to say that at pace brantley we have more than 125 families in this community and the prospect of adding additional 24 homes in this area definitely raised significant concerns for us as well as logistical concerns the increase in traffic i think you've already heard that enough um and the congestion and it is by our school um and i do want it on record that i don't have parents in the middle of the road doing traffic it may be myself or an employee also um with that i worry about drop off and pick up um i will tell you that our school of forest lake academy our parents all do come and drop off and pick up we do not have any busing into our campuses so that is a concern i think somebody did mention for my last with the planning and zoning we did have two students this year alone hit by a car trying to exit onto sand lake road the other is our concern with high volumes of traffic and obviously getting emergency vehicles um down sand lake road into our campuses or into the neighborhoods because we have the four schools and we also have a preschool on sand lake road as well i do want to say we're fortunate to be part of a neighborhood where families honor our mission and contribute to our calm and supportive environment for for the children of our school with learning differences the introduction of a high density housing particularly at the scale that could result if adjacent to the parcel follows suit it really would disrupt the balance and create a lasting safety and quality of life challenges for everyone on this corridor pace brantley preparatory school has been part of this community for over 50 years we have deep commitment from the families we serve and the neighborhoods that we call home we respectively but firmly urge you to consider the full scope of what this zoning would set in motion not just for one parcel but for the entire sand lake road corridor before rendering a decision i thank you very much for your time and your consideration thank you next speaker please my name is gary rothwell i reside at 1433 vivaldi place in longwood 32779 i live in the subdivision of bella vista which is on the other side of the pace brantley school from the sandy lane subdivision obviously i get very concerned regarding the possibility of the increased traffic right now when schools in and out obviously it is very complicated getting out from our subdivision we're a gated community and with the right in and right out only coming from that um on sand lake it's going to force all traffic to make all a left-hand turn out of sandy lane onto um sand lake road with the school there the kids coming through i walk my dog constantly back and forth through there and it's already difficult watching traffic try to turn left specific you know especially when traffic is busier with you adding 24 homes that have to turn left from there if they're going that direction there's a downhill that comes from sand lake road down towards this area it's already should we say there's police often stay at the pace brantley watching the traffic speed pass there you add 24 you know homes trying to turn left from there coming down this sloped road it's going to add a lot of potential harm especially the kids in that area i also live at the in our subdivision i'm at the back of the subdivision along the conservation area that's like a dry lake bed it's kind of the overflow from our community from the sandy hill community it's all down there my home resides basically at the edge of the flood zone i do question when you start building more in this area how much is extra water has to flow back into our area which is the catchment area i get concerned about that because literally the flood zone is literally sits behind my house and of course i worry about property values and getting these types of homes up and so but i appreciate your time taking uh to listen to all of us i've this is the first time i've ever been to let alone spoken to at one of these meetings and it's impressive to watch the community and how they pull together and what they're hoping to see out of this but i would also ask that the rezoning doesn't seem necessary if they can do it another way thank you thank you very much sir miss drager is that the last of our speakers yes ma'am with that we'll close public comment i'll give the applicant the opportunity to respond i would ask that you be as brief as you possibly can thank you madam chair fellow commissioners i'm going to run through and with respect to your request be as brief as possible but i do need to touch upon some of the things so one there was actually i heard the word fear we have a fear and as this board knows fears and speculation are not competent substantial evidence but there was a talk about pedestrian connectivity ms apgard indicated our project has to connect to the existing sidewalk network network on sandy lane and sand lake road and i guess i'm the only one who's had a uh misspoken ever in this room so i apologize for mispronouncing the name of the road uh one there's several people comment about well how can we ensure that it's single-family detached homes i touched upon this earlier under your code my client actually has to comply with the conditions of approval that condition of approval runs with the land so if my client didn't close on the property it would be binding on whoever did close on the property so that concern again is addressed through the approval process there was a suggestion that we're building more houses than allowed on the property again the density is governed by the future lane use map and the comp plan not the zoning we are not changing the density on the property in fact the deputy county attorney had to indicate that on the record at the pnz hearing there's been comments about sand lake road you heard many people talk about traffic again you all have that come out you have your own engineers you have your own professional staff they've confirmed that sand lake road is operating at a to c level of service my client doesn't establish the level of service on the road the county does and my client's responsibility is to make sure its project doesn't trip that roadway so it fails the level of service you have your county staff and an outside third-party transportation engineer confirming that this project does not trip the level of service in fact there's thousands of trips available on the roadway i understand that during school hours i live right by boone high school for 20 30 minutes a day it gets backed up and then it clears out but nobody's suggesting that cayley avenue in downtown orlando needs to be widened to four or six lanes so again we're complying with the traffic requirements in fact miss apgar's report says that the county doesn't have any improvements planned on sand lake road in its five-year cip if sand lake road as commissioner german actually indicated the pnz hearing is it's unfair to hold the last property standing responsible for an alleged issue with the traffic uh circulation in that area in fact he said if anything it's the county's responsible for this if it's happening so again my client has done exactly what a developer needs to do in fact we didn't need to do the traffic study i guess i'm reminded of what my grandmother would say you're darned if you do you darn if you don't at the pnz we're told oh they didn't do a traffic study well it's because the county's requirements for a subdivision with 50 or fewer homes doesn't require traffic study we then do a traffic study which one of the recent speakers said that we laid out tubes in all the wrong areas the traffic study isn't based upon tubes we use seminal county's own traffic counts and then the traffic engineer what professional engineers do they extrapolate and add a background trip generation rate to that so there was no hiding of traffic tubes we use the county's own numbers the suggestion that we would stress schools again your packet has a letter from the schools school board saying that there are seats available that's all my client can do when coming before a board with an application is go get that confirmation from seminal seminal county schools there was a flooding suggestion or concern you all know we're not at the site plan stage final engineering but we have to comply with st john's requirements as well as the county's and with my experience with mr potter on stormwater issues i can assure you that the county staff holds the the developer's feet to the fire in that regard and thank you for that compliment yes trust me sometimes to my chagrin and disagreement but we did comply uh the suggestion that somehow missing middle is not straight zoning again is a misnomer missing middle is straight zoning you know the difference is that the code allows in that one provision that i reference that the applicant has to comply with the conditions of approval so again we're not seeking something that's not straight zoning missing middle is straight zoning and on the traffic the last thing i would mention is the traffic study shows 16 a.m peak hour trips the suggestion and again i'm not stating that school traffic isn't bad at certain hours or during drop-off but the suggestion that somehow 16 trips across an hour in the morning is somehow going to make the road just completely inoperable i would suggest is not supported by any evidence before you this afternoon in fact i would submit 16 trips one car per every four minutes is extremely de minimis at best and then lastly there was a suggestion about the community meeting and i've and there were a couple suggestions that somehow my client along the way has misrepresented this project and it's a bait and switch and i i respectfully take exception to that you know i don't mind people making fun of me for mispronouncing a street name but we have the minutes of the community meeting which are in your packet and i'm reading from the minutes developers intent develop a single-family residential subdivision not townhomes or multifamily proposed density approximately 24 homes it goes into talking about the homes proposed minimum 3 000 square feet two-story homes two-car garages and it gives the target price no intention to build townhomes duplexes or affordable housing complexes which affordable housing is defined by statute as you all know so again the suggestion that somehow my client didn't make that clear my client is not swayed or varied from what's being proposed and in fact we're willing to stipulate as we did before that it would be single-family homes that it would be capped at 24 that it would be substantially consistent with the conceptual site plan which again lines up four homes next to six and six next to seven and my client is willing to abide by a condition that the minimum square footage on the homes be 2500 square feet or greater again i know you all understand the fine folks in tallahassee took away your authority to sort of govern architectural standards but we're willing to stipulate to those type of requirements on this approval and i think the only last note i had madam chair was there was a suggestion the individual had indicated he was an expert and he was talking about electrical lines those electrical lines cross in the northwest corner of the property they actually go across the adjoining pud so they're not a prohibition on development it's an easement so it actually would be my client's property it's not the utility company's property they have a easement across it and you'll see on the conceptual site plan it actually is the open space common area in the northwest corner so again we would submit that we've met our burden madam chair i know you've heard from a lot of people and i'll you know i represent neighbors at times and i'll echo what i said at the pnz i don't take away from the sincerity of their comments they live in the area they have a vested interest in protecting the area but what i didn't hear today was anything about my client not meeting its burden or somehow that the staff made an error and overlooked the provision in your code or comp plan and we haven't met those requirements what i heard a lot about was we don't like the traffic we're concerned or we have this fear that they won't be nice houses we love our area i think quite frankly they prefer that no development go on there in fact i don't think folks based on what they were saying would like to am peak our trips generation from r1a double housing housing on the property but again not a single provision of the code or comp plan was cited by anyone speaking today so again i would submit your professional staff's recommendation and report is the competent substantial evidence and i would ask for this board's support and approval of our request of rezoning with the stipulated conditions on square footage single-family homes and no more than 24 lots thank you very much thank you all right i am going to look i'm sorry pardon me i'm just wondering i was asking if public hearing was now closed because he was part of public hearing that's all well public comments is now closed he was a response yes so public comment is closed i'm actually going to ask uh deputy county attorney if there's anything you'd like to add at this point before we start discussing um the only thing i'll add is that um as far as the um unless there's something specific you'd like me to discuss as far as the stipulation proposed by the applicant you know this zoning district we require this conceptual site plan so that we can they can show how they're meeting all the requirements as far as street trees and open space and sidewalks you know everything that this zoning district requires um so if the applicant's going to stipulate to it potentially we could add that those stipulations to the conceptual plan and state the applicants made it binding but this is a conventional rezoning to a district which is it's not like a pd um they're willing to stipulate to it we could put a stipulation on the record um and and and include it in the conceptual planner and or make a note in the record that they've stipulated to agree to these things um and the county staff when reviewing it would implement those conceivably um when they came in to develop so it could be done does it stay there in the future is there a chance that that someone could challenge it you know potentially in the future maybe the next owner but you know that's that's what i'll say about the stipulation all right thank you commissioner constantine this is your district it is my district thank you very much um you know i i just want to start by you know thanking uh miss miss lockhart for um clearing up something when um they were said uh when we were talking about a meeting that i had with the applicant and back in april of last year and i said stick to the zoning and you won't have a problem and i would suggest to each and every one of you would not be here would not be here today if he had stuck to the zoning and not asked for the missing middle zoning because that is different than the zoning that is there and that's one one one one r double a or whatever it's something like that let me yeah it's been a long day so i'm going to make this very quick uh i'm going to stick to the competent and substantial evidence and suggest to you that the intent and purpose of the missing middle district is to encourage a wider range of housing choices by permitting smaller units and more compact site plans to increase affordability without subsidies that is the land development code 30.8.3.1 this project does not meet that it is proposed single family residential lots price tag 800 000 to 1.2 million as per said by the applicant in his own words just a few minutes ago or a lot more than that um and that mr spain clearly did not want to talk about because he talked about everything else but the price that was being suggested these are not affordable homes the median home price in seminal county is 475 000 the applicant proposes prices that are more than double the median price thus it seems that the real intent here is not to get smaller lots or is to get smaller lots and put large homes on them that would increase the profitability nothing against profit except all of us have private property rights and we all understand that again if he had stuck to the zoning we wouldn't you all wouldn't be here we'd still be here to rezone the other portion and that is not consistent with the intent of the missing middle district we are supposed to be increasing affordability not decreasing it the crest is also not consistent with the comp plan policy 4.2.1 missing middle which encourages increased affordability by allowing smaller units this project does not do that the applicant is proposing three to four thousand square foot homes where the average home size in seminole county is 1.8 um 1 800 square feet proposed units are not affordable and not small we're setting a precedent here because this is the first time we're using missing middle let's use it for the reason that we intended it to be um this is not the location for missing middle anyway but that's not the point commissioner constantine are you in the middle of a motion yes and therefore i am yes i am making it i'm both debating and making a motion and therefore i want to uphold the planning and zoning recommendation to deny this project so second okay i have a first and two seconds is there further discussion well yeah i would like i know we want to speed this along but i think because this is the first application for missing middle that we have had it is incumbent upon us to have a little bit of conversation about what it is that just has happened here because because the evidence and the basis that the planning and zoning commission just denied this on is not the evidence and basis that we are denying this on so let's be very clear about that and i'm saying we because i seconded it and we haven't voted yet but this is under discussion um it were this a true missing middle project we would be having a different discussion here today and i think that we need to be able to work with the county manager and have him work with staff and the county attorney with our county attorneys team to understand we have a recommendation from our staff for approval because whatever process that that the applicant went through we believed with the information that was provided that this was appropriate for that zoning so somewhere in this process we have we have some clarification to do some work to do what's that a disconnect there's a disconnect and and i started thinking about this um this morning as i was putting my makeup on um because that's when i do some of my best thinking um go the hours and hours and days and days of work that we did on the land development code uh rewrite and those work sessions that we had and we brought in the consultants and we talked about missing middle and we talked about we cannot start vilifying missing middle it in its intent is a going to be a very valuable tool for this county and for future commissioners to be able to help create variety in this community but somehow between our board's direction and implementing that in our land development code and this application process somehow we got sideways and so i just from from one commissioner who who is like i really like missing middle i like the intent and thank you to whomever uh provided this was just passed down the dais this appendix with the um the case studies on missing middle who did raise your hand who did it awesome thank you i because we don't want we don't want this to be us correct and so so that's just my two sense on this as we move forward and hoping that we can have some good dialogue maybe some work sessions and further elements talking about the code helping to further clarify a process so i'm going to take it i'm going to pick up where you left off and then i promise i'll call on you i think there's multiple disconnects one is reference to compatibility with things that are surrounding so i i think we probably need another look at that but the second piece of it that i think is the disconnect is that i i do have concern that these committees that we have they're volunteer committees and boards that are making recommendations their their rulings are not rulings their recommendations need training and because i i don't necessarily feel like we did the citizens here justice and i don't think we did our team justice and i don't think we did the developer justice as we were going through that process and that's on us we pick we appoint these volunteers and then they publicly indict us which is interesting and and not helpful to the community quite frankly um i would also say that i think what's come to light in this process i think it's fabulous that the community is all joined together but i think it's come to light that as we're approving schools on these roads that don't have transportation we need to pay a little more attention because that hole's been dug and we have others that continue to come through the pipeline and now the charter schools are coming through the pipeline we have very little to say about it we just need to acknowledge that it's that this is going to be an ongoing challenge but i think this is not all for naught because there are a lot of learning exercises that have come out of this and a lot of takeaways and i appreciate you bringing it up i was actually not trying to shut down the conversation i was trying to facilitate it which up here is sometimes difficult believe it or not and madam chair that's that's because what i said in the beginning was trying to indicate that i am not a in fact i support missing middle in the right place for the right reason this is the wrong reason this this is a reason to increase density it is not for the missing middle to find affordability and that needs to be sent not only to our boards but also our staff and this is clearing up that press this precedent that we're making right now and it is a precedent that we're saying you know when you're looking at missing middle you're looking at affordability not increased density and i do want to say if i could i'm well no i think it's important because i just rethought i just replayed in my head what i said earlier and now i feel i need to clarify i am not indicting our staff in any way shape and form i said you know we have you know a recommendation for approval i i think our staff did an excellent job i think we have a phenomenal planning team i just think we need we just need to work together a little bit better this is new it's new hopefully i'm good i'm good i'm good in the interest in the interest of our constituents let's try to move it along all those in favor aye aye opposed hearing none opposed it passes unanimously to deny to deny yeah there was no no wait they were looking at us wait can we take a break now let's take a i'm taking a break please all right can we be back at four yes seven minutes well that depends all right we're going to move on to item 31 rosenwald community center rezone and this will be presented by annie siloway principal planner hi good afternoon annie siloway with development services i will be presenting the rosenwald rezone the request is being presented for a rezone from r1 single family dwelling and r2 1 and 2 family dwelling to pli public lands and institutions the rezone is um is to allow for the development of a public park and a community center subject property has a public quasi public future land use designation which permits a maximum floor area ratio of 0.65 this designation is intended to identify locations suitable for a range of public and quasi public uses including but not limited to public and private recreational facilities educational institutions and libraries the subject site is approximately 12 acres and was previously occupied by the historic rosenwald school in the east altamont community seminole county acquired the property in 2019 for the purpose of redeveloping the site into a functional community asset offering a public park with pavilions efficient here and a 6 000 square foot community center for cultural events community services and youth activities the current residential zoning classification does not support the proposed use necessitating the reason the pli zoning is intended to include major public lands and quasi-public institutional uses this classification may only be applied to lands that are owned and controlled by the public staff finds the request requested pli zoning classification to be consistent with the seminal county land development code and the existing future land use of public quasi-public and permits the proposed use of a public park and community center which will provide a direct benefit to the community by offering accessible services and programs the purpose and intent of the public quasi-public future land use is to identify locations for a variety of public and public and quasi-public uses transportation communication utilities and in areas where public and quasi-public uses are established and in areas reserved for future public use a community meeting regarding the overall rosenwald community center was conducted on december 9th 2025 and the planning and zoning commission met on april 1st and voted unanimously to recommend the board of county commissioners adopt the rezone ordinance so staff requests the board of county commissioners make the following motion adopt upon first reading an ordinance rezoning the subject property from r1 single family dwelling and r2 1 and 2 family dwelling to pli public lands and institutions on approximately 12.98 acres located on the north side of merit street approximately 0.25 miles east of ronald reagan boulevard and i just wanted to inform the commissioners that the county is initiating this rezone of the property and due to the proposed changes to the ordinance and zoning map designation this rezone will be required to meet state statute under section 125.665b that states the county initiated rezones require at least one of the public hearings and is to be held after 5 pm on week on a weekday however the board can by a majority plus one vote to have the meeting at a different time such as before 5 pm the second public hearing is required to be held at least 10 days after the first public hearing and that concludes my presentation fabulous so how does this work do you like put on a different hat and speak as the applicant i'm i'm just kidding no we don't but um i will say that um just so just so we're clear because it's over 10 acres and because the county initiated rezoning we have to have two public hearings for this and so the second part of the motion needs to include the date certain for the second public hearing and the time at 1 30. all right commissioners i don't have any questions i have no questions no questions no questions are is there public comment yes ma'am one speaker chris walkins all right once going twice going three times good evening everyone some of you long time no see i used to be very consistent in coming if you nonetheless my name is christine walkins i reside at 639 late mobile drive altamount springs 32701 i'm going to make this very brief because i'm very pleased where i understand this is going to go it's just one question that i have what was rosenwald's rezoning prior to the r1 and is that somewhere along the line i missed that was there a rezoning what was the zoning prior to the r1 r2 has it always been that when it was a school too we we could actually research that if andy do you know um yeah so um based on my research um the the land development code was established in the early 70s and the zoning that was placed on the property is r1 and at the time you know that the zoning was placed on there it did allow for um schools to be placed on the property okay no comment other than i am for it i hope you follow my lead thank you for being here all right commissioners i'll look for a motion yeah i would love to uh make a motion to uh adopt enact an ordinance rezoning the subject property from r1 single family dwelling and r2 one and two family dwellings to public lands and institutions on approximately 12.96 acres located on the north side of merit street approximately a quarter mile east of ronald reagan boulevard and hold a second reading of the ordinance on june 23rd 2026 at 1 30 p.m second i have a first and a second all those in favor aye hearing none opposed motion passes unanimously thank you for being here we've already done item number 32 that takes us to item number 33 this is a public hearing to adopt a resolution confirming the non-ad valorem capital assessment for rice lake management msbu and this will be done by lori bailey brown good afternoon commissioners i'm lori bailey brown and administrative services director here to present to you a resolution to authorize phase one capital assessment for rice lake rice lake is in the little kiva watershed with 31 benefiting parcels in district five the rice lake management msbu was created in 2023 and included funding for public services to be provided in two phases the estimated phase one cost was 120 000 and phase two was implemented in 2023 actual project costs of 139 905 dollars and county funding assistance of 20 000 resulted in the amount funded by the msbu program at 119 905 this amount reflects the increase uh increases from cost estimate due to an increase in the restoration cost over that period of time the capital assessment per assessed property is three thousand eight hundred sixty seven dollars and eighty nine cents per waterfront unit and we offer a five-year installment assessment at nine hundred eighty one dollars and seventy three cents per waterfront property the five-year installment plan includes administrative fees and interest the owners of assessed property have an option of paying the capital assessment in full without financing fees within 30 days following the resolution or participate in the installment plan in let's see uh the installment plan will be built in equal five equal and installments over the next five years via the tax bill beginning with the 2026 tax roll we request approval of the resolution confirming the assessment for rice lake phase one construction services this concludes my presentation thank you very much is there any public comment yes ma'am three speakers george calvey eric duncan and leo nelson good hello name and address for the record sir sorry name and address for the record eric duncan five stone gate north thank you very much for your time appreciate you pulling up that map i like visuals they really help me out they might help you i've lived on this lake for 24 years i live at the very south end of that lake and um i have a home office i've worked out of my home for many years so i've seen a lot of what phase one was all about i spoke to a lot of the people that worked out there so here's what i'm asking you to do to consider putting off the decision tonight and pushing this off to reassess the east side of the lake when phase one started if you can imagine the clock at two o'clock look at the if you would the map at two o'clock that crew of people i would say they were for three weeks with a bot with the front end loader on cat tracks floating out of the lake for about three weeks is my estimate they started going counterclockwise at the two o'clock position and they finished down there at about between the five and six o'clock i lived just to the right it's a you know 6 30 let's say so here's what happened phase one was mechanical removal of a lot of the vegetation phase one was mechanical removal the mechanical removal never did continue on covering the 13 houses on the east side which i live including my neighbors to my left the mechanical removal did not continue all the way up the east side okay for for the reasons that they had chosen my point is if you came today the majority of the houses have vegetation so high so thick that it's to not have part of that removed does not seem fair to those of us paying this initial cost so what what i like for you to do is to push off your decision i'm not saying we don't want to pay i want to say to push off your decision to let the msb reassess that east side to see what more could do to be equal to the phase one on the west side of the lake okay if you're looking across the east side to the west side of the lake you can see a lot of a clean lake shore around there which most of us were hoping that would happen to us but if you look at your home where we're at on the east side and you come out there's a lot of green vegetation that was never touched no mechanical removal only spraying was done according to my assessment okay i don't see lake staff here yeah thomas is here yeah so that's all i'm asking please just to delay your decision until that's reassessed thank you so i'm i'm gonna just stop are you three neighbors are you all on the same side of the lake one's at 6 30 one's at seven and one's at 7 15 on the clock oh there you go all right thank you so i would like for the first of all i want to make sure that i were clear on this this is a financial decision not a how we're managing the lake decision that's before us today that being said if there's reason for us to put this off we can put this off but but the assessment i'm not having a discussion just for the record i'm actually looking behind you so i'm going to look to the county manager to get the right person up to address the management of the lake piece and then to you to give advice on moving forward or not moving forward based on what we hear so let's take that step before everyone else speaks if we're all saying the same thing is that fair i'm looking at you too all right let's learn more and i i can have oh are you you want me to call the staff yes thomas do you want to come up and give a status of phase one and if it is complete thomas calhoun watershed management division yes this project was completed about over a year ago the project consisted of removing invasive vegetation around the lake and the associated material sediment with it a lot of that work was confined in some areas along the south shoreline there was a lot of native vegetation there so we didn't do as much work some people say we haven't done any work out there we also had conservation easements to work around so i'll also say that when we do these lake management plans and put the budget together we also put in a contingency reserve so when situations like this arise we do have funding to address it so closing the phase one does not prevent us from addressing the concerns of these residents so delaying the vote today is not necessarily the step that needs to be taken to do this but with that i think we'll hear the rest of the public comment is that fair correct thank you so much for coming up being called you we may need you again sir name and address for the record good afternoon my name is george calvey i've lived at 23 stone gate north longwood 32779 in the ravens brooks subdivision for 32 years um i love the lake but unfortunately i wouldn't know the difference between an invasive and non-invasive plant than i would an organic or standard banana so when we were given a presentation back in february of 2023 it was this beautiful colorful almost like you know hypnotic type of presentation that our lake was going to be something like we never saw before and in fact we were provided with a picture of myrtle lake restoration which i'm sure we can put up if you like but it's really uh quite simple here was the lake before it was a total mess and here was the lake after and it was absolutely absolutely perfect so now i'll give you just one simple example picture rice lake it's like a kidney right so they started counterclockwise and the reason they started about oh 200 yards east of my house because that's where we have the access for boats and things to get in and out so it made sense so they went counterclockwise while the workers were there i approached them a couple of times said hey how you doing what's going on and they said well obviously you're over here and we're going counterclockwise and we're here and eventually we're going to make it to you and i said great because i think the hurricane had happened i don't know six months before that a year before the whatever and the lake was kind of the highest it's ever been so you can imagine the vegetation went with it okay so i'm figuring okay they're going to get around because as eric my neighbor pointed out i mean we had stuff that was three and four feet high so i'm thinking boy this is going to get all cleaned up like it is on the other side which looks perfect it's wonderful except they never got there so then i went and saw the guy again and then he says to me i tell you what i'll make sure the supervisor comes over your house and he'll knock on the door and go out to the lake and he'll tell you exactly what we're going to do and give you an idea of what things will wind up looking like so obviously i have to move along the problem was you take something like a lily pad eric did the research if i showed you these two lily pads again like a banana you couldn't tell the difference one's invasive one non-invasive except here's the problem now all the lily pads are gone and obviously the fish love the lily pads so you can imagine that we're missing a ton of stuff that was supposed to be replanted that hasn't been done parts of the bottom of the lake are just mush where i used to walk out on the lake all the time and you just can't right now i mean you get tangled okay so the whole idea of what we're saying is we were given this grandiose commitment and then we get a letter telling us what the assessment is and if we don't pay it there's a lien on the house never saying anything about what was supposed to be done that has yet to be done and and that's our main argument and that's why we want to have another meeting get this thing delayed so we can get it straight so what they promised us thank you promised us in february time is i know i just want to say what they promised us in february 23 that they deliver no thank you all right good afternoon my name is leo nelson and i reside at 21 stone gate north next door to george and i was given the yeah god bless me but at any rate i was told the same story that george was about across the way from us they did a grand job of beautifying the shoreline etc and they never came our way the sprayers came our way in fact my phone went dead i was going to show you some pictures and the guy with the airboat came out there with his sprayer and i have a small floating dock and i have a small bass boat there that was fairly new at the time when i put it there and i asked the guy to be careful about spraying the thing and he made some sarcastic remark to me and i made several phone calls to try to get someone to call me back about what they sprayed on the on the dock as well as my boat and it's got cloth seeds and then the money's not the issue but the chemical that they sprayed on the dock as well as the boat deteriorated the seeds i mean granted the sun has a lot to do with it but i fold them down but the chemical number one that they sprayed on the dock as well as the boat did something to both um but getting back to the main deal with the all the vegetation on our side of the lake is is a complete opposite of what you see across the lake and like george said the water in front of our house you go in the water and it's muck it's not dirt or mud it's mush i mean the plants below the surface is nothing but mush but at any rate i just think it's that some questions need to be answered as far as you know what we're paying versus what we're getting so all right thank you very much so this is my district is that a question and and just not getting any correspondence and not getting a understood understood understood so what what i would propose that we do gentlemen is that i hear you loud and clear this is my district i have not heard about this before now we should we can work this together through my office i will will work with you and our team and the county manager and i think somebody from the county manager's office was up here already proposing something so we will figure this out i am also going to make the motion to pass this because the msbu is second the msbu is the technical side of this that has to happen regardless but us getting it right is a sec is the is the next piece of it and the first thing to get it right is to help me know that it's not going right so that's the commitment i'm glad you were here i'm glad we gave you the time to speak you matter and so does the lake and i am also very familiar with the homes on one side of that lake versus the homes on the other side of that lake this is my neighborhood so i get it i understand i hear you so with that i'm going to move to adopt upon first reading an ordinance reason no i'm not is that the right one uh requested action i'm going to approve and authorize the chairman to execute a final rate resolution confirming the not ad valorem capital assessment for rice lake lake management services msbu for completed phase one services second uh any further discussion hearing no further discussion all those in favor aye opposed no passes unanimously one of you needs to reach out to my office or i can get your name off of the sign-in sheet thank you very much for being and we'll follow up with you madam chairman all right here comes gee the man with one name item number 34 has been so successful today for the record gee cuña director of economic development tourism for seminole county so per the tourism improvement district ordinance 2024-12 and enacted in may 2024 i present to you the tid uh resolution uh assessment so excuse me assessment resolution so total qualified rooms is 5077 with a term of 10 years unless tied to a bond the estimated gross tid revenue is still three 3.2 million the assessment per room per day is a dollar 75 the assessment began on april 1st 2025 with the first collection on may 20th 2025 tid and tdt are collected at the same time on a uh monthly schedule per the uh seminole county tax collector so requested action is adopt the seminole county tourism improvement district assessment resolution commissioners commissioners ready for the public oh public comment clearly we don't have anybody for this yes we do we do yay this is john doan john doan john doan 515. hey guys uh my name is john doan i am speaking on behalf of uh the days in infern park we're located on 8245 south u.s highway 1792 we are a family-owned hotel and i appreciate the opportunity to speak today regarding the proposed seminole county tourism improvement district assessment first i do want to say that we support responsible tourism growth and economic development in seminole county we understand the vision behind investing sports tourism and future projects however we are deeply concerned about how this assessment is structured and disproportionate and the disproportionate burden it places on smaller independent hotels like ours according to notice provided by the county the proposed assessment is a fixed charge of a dollar 75 per night per room available for occupancy the key issue is that this assessment applies regardless of whether whether rooms are actually occupied or generating revenue our hotel has 75 total rooms under the current structure our family hotel is projected to pay nearly 48 000 annually based on our total room inventory despite operating at only approximately 40 percent occupancy that equals to nearly 4 000 per month additional costs for a small independent hotel already struggling with rising operational expenses in 2025 we had approximately 10 923 occupied room nights out of approximately 27 000 available room nights for the year which equals to roughly about 40 occupancy in 2024 we had approximately 11 000 occupied rooms out of approximately 27 450 available rooms still around 41 41 41 occupancy that means nearly 60 percent of our rooms remain vacant throughout much of the year despite that reality our hotel is still being assessed based largely on total room inventory rather than actual occupancy performance or revenue generation another major concern is low is location in actual economic benefit as shown i don't know if you guys have the map of of the sct id but our hotel is located at the very very south east corner where we're right on the border of orange county and seminal county our property is about 20 miles away from the sanford and lake mary sports tourism corridor where the county sports tourism investments and proposed developments are centered hotels located directly near those venues are much more more likely to to benefit from the tourism traffic our hotel located near the outer edge of the district will likely only receive limited overflow if any at all yet yet under the current structure smaller family-owned hotels like ours are effectively being assessed similarly despite very different levels of expected economic benefit um we are not asking to avoid contributing to the community we are simply asking for a fair and balanced approach this notice states that the board may approve the assessment with such amendments as it deems just and right we respectfully respectfully ask the board to consider amendments such as occupancy based adjustments relief for vacant rooms and reduced rates for smaller independent hotels or geographically consideration for hotels located outside the primary tourism thank you for being here thank you for being here commissioner galari how many rooms do you have 75 yeah you just went over there because i know if it's so it's a 60 60 or below thank you thank you are there any other public comments no ma'am we'll close public comment madam chair i move a motion to adopt the seminal county tourism improvement district assessment resolution second i have a motion and a second any discussion all those in favor aye opposed hearing none it passes unanimously that would be fabulous so i think mr cuña is coming over to meet with you gentlemen thank you all right item number 35 approve the adoption of the ordinance amending chapter 40 this will be presented by mike rhodes who's ready to go good afternoon commissioners um for the sake of brevity i know you've all had an opportunity to be briefed we are certainly capable of going through the uh the presentation and hitting any high points or i can offer up mr kersey to or i to answer any questions you might have if you'd like to do that madam chair i believe we've all been briefed i'm good extensively mr constantine are you good recommend yes anybody for a great briefing answered all of my questions um i'm comfortable with where we are i'm in the same position great work we all hate it so commissioners i'll look for a motion motion to approve the adoption of the ordinance amending chapter 40 building and construction of the seminole county code of ordinances by amending the chapter to provide uniformity and code enforcement application adjusting to align with statutory languages providing clarity to the building code board of appeals providing alignment with senate bill 180 and providing an effective date the motions and a second is there any public comment on this no ma'am okay close public comment all those in favor aye opposed hearing none it passes unanimously thank you thank you for your offer phil thrust up for nothing can i just point that out we were wondering if he was selling something today and he did say yes i was just so proud to hear from both of our county attorney's offices as well as their offices that they are not going to we are going to reduce any more they're not they're going to not reduce oh never mind okay i i was going to say something important okay now but we'll wait for that okay number 36 we have mr jacks ready to present mid-year BAR thank you i'm timothy jacks with the office of management and budget item number 36 is our annual mid-year bar to true of county-wide fund balances this item was publicly advertised on the county's website on thursday may 7th the primary purpose of this bar is to reconcile budgeted fy26 beginning fund balances to the actual final fund equities reported in the 2025 acfer the total amount of the bar is 61.8 million which includes 35 million in county-wide fund balance adjustments that's two percent of the total county-wide budget there's also 23 million in interfund transfers the largest of which is 15 million dollars within the water and sewer capital fund and we have 3.8 million dollars related to budgets for grant agreements and public works and water utilities that concludes that presentation thank you very much commissioners in bauer move approve and authorize the chairman to execute a fiscal year 2526 mid-year budget amendment resolution 26-028 and the amount of 61 million eight hundred and fifty four thousand three hundred and ninety eight dollars and four cents to adjust the fiscal year 26 county-wide beginning fund balances to match the fiscal year 25 out of the ending fund balance county-wide second motion in a second is there any public comment no ma'am all right commissioners all those in favor aye opposed hearing none it passes unanimously and public comments closed how about that all right that takes us to the county attorneys report thank you chairman as listed on the agenda i wanted to discuss that canvassing board with the board today the election season is upon us and so we need to designate who from the board is going to serve the canvassing board is the composition of it is dictated by statute it's the supervisor of elections a county court judge and then it defaults to the chairman of the board of county commissioners if they're able to serve if they are not able to serve or they are disqualified because they're up for a re-election then then an alternate member from the board is selected so because chairman her is not up for re-election this year and she does not have an intent to be involved in any candidate or campaign of any candidate that's on the ballot i believe she is qualified to serve on the canvassing board and so i wanted to have that discussion on whether you're um intending to serve i am intending to serve approval second there's no approval required but that's that's great and then also she needs to select an alternate if she's unable to attend a meeting she is charged with uh picking a member of the bcc to be her alternate and commissioner constantine has graciously agreed to be the alternate you'll love it lee and has also asked that i attend everything yes okay all right i will pass that along to the supervisor of elections and you all will have to complete some uh training within the next month or so i might have left that out of the ass there's a mandatory training but it's cool because you'll learn how to like analyze handwriting it's very very interesting i have been on the canvassing board before i just wanted you all to know county manager so do i have to go through it again thank you chairman and commissioner there's just a couple items one um i'd like to address item number seven that was moved from the consent under my report you should have an updated um packet in front of you with the up with the amendments that that were made um on the interlocals and this is for the uh five cent gas tax that was recently approved by the board last summer and you have interlocals with all seven cities um in your packet as well i'm pleased to announce and it's been quite a you know a journey over the last couple months that both lake mary and the city of samford have agreed to partner with us and contribute their five cent local option gas tax towards the seminal connector and they've actually named that the state road 452 so we do have a name for that that road as you all know we also went and visited the city of ovito in winter springs they have not closed the door they are willing to still talk to us and partner just not there yet um so the other five cities uh that you all that you will see on here including albido winter springs um altamont springs longwood castleberry did that have all five that had my five thank you they are not changing their distribution so they will still get their distribution to each of the cities the reason we have to do those is that the state department of revenue is requiring us because we have a couple cities uh dedicating their distributions to us they want all all seven cities uh to have an interlocal deciding like where their distributions will be going to so all of this has been updated um all of the cities have voted on this except for winter springs because we were with them last night they decided to put that one on hold um so we will need an interlocal that they will sign that they will keep the distribution the same as it has been that their gas tax will go directly to the city of winter springs but they're still working with us yes they're still working so we could still work with any of the cities uh for you know ongoing but the state department of revenue needs all this by june 1st um in order to for the city of lake mary and uh um sanford for their distributions to come to us starting in january of 2027 and i do want to clarify it's up to five cents for lake mary and sanford it is five cents i would not it's it's the five cent local option this is all seven at the five cent local the up to five cent is still being worked on i don't i don't understand what the five up to five cents so the piece of it that were with regard to the connector that if we get grants it was the conflicting language that was asked to be fixed yeah oh you talked about for the city of sanford last night yeah that was a little confusing but so the statute allows the board to impose uh the tax up to five percent so the board could have imposed a three a three cent fuel tax but the board imposed a five cent right fuel tax so the city of sanford's agreement reflects that they will be giving 100 of their five cent fuel tax to the county up to because we committed to go out and get grants yeah and the agreement also provides that if the grants are obtained that that money will be put towards the city's contributions first in a pro rata share to what they contributed so that is also the initial distribution because i don't want them to say that we're doing something different here than we said we would do the initial distribution will be the five cents and then should we get grants there would be pro rata credit reduction to it back correct that is correct and that's what the does align with what was voted on last yes sorry i did i didn't understand the up to five cents so yes okay so the uh request from staff would be for the board to approve and authorize the chairman to execute the seven uh interlocal agreements with the municipalities of seminal county regarding the assignment and distribution of the five cent local option fuel tax proceeds so moved second we have a motion in a second any discussion thank you madam chair uh darren i know that we're at winter springs yesterday i know this has to go to winter springs and then we're going to continue working with them can we let the city manager know that even though we're still working with them they still have to sign this so that there's no confusion yes i already have i've already talked to the city manager i think we need to put that in writing okay all right okay i'll put it in writing so that when we get a copy of it we can show it to the other elected officials in that city okay absolutely i'll make sure i do that okay it's finally coming all right we have a motion in a second all those in favor aye opposed hearing none passes unanimously and then just the last thing i just want to recognize the success of this year's citizens academy we just finished up our last one last weekend i want to thank all of our departments and especially the communications team with mr patten down there that that led the charge we had over 700 residents attend this time uh citizens for academy last year was six 600 and something so we were we were up so this has been proven to be a very successful and informative academy and we're all excited about doing this again next year so thank you and thank you chris and all the departments thank you thank you commissioner delari district one thank you madam chair i first want to thank everyone uh that worked hard putting the special appreciation lunch on last week i think it was a huge success and uh for those who may not be aware of it the speaker we had we focused on the korean war and the speaker we had that spoke at first wasn't going to speak until he realized his son didn't hear his story and so he had his son come down to hear the whole story and so i think it was a success in many different ways and he was blown away as well as folks that were with him about how big of a of a lunch it was i did attend the calinois meeting for commissioner constantine and that was in the city of alvito and we did talk about stormwater i thought that was rather interesting and then there was also a dot safety summit last friday about vision zero that was in saint cloud and then tomorrow at metro plan we have on our agenda i just want to hand this out so everyone's aware of it if i may a revision to our tip adaptation improvement plan and on that is with links is getting a grant for their bus shelters of eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars and then they're going to get a federal uh acquisition for buses for five hundred thousand dollars then they're going to get digital signage for capital for 25 for 250 thousand dollars for a total of 1.6 million dollars just want to make sure everybody was aware of that so does that eight hundred fifty thousand can be used to take down bus shelters no no but i just make sure that i'll ask that question tomorrow that's ending my report madam chair thank you commissioner zimbauer thank you very much uh course reminder this uh may 11th or 17th national mental awareness health week um also quick reminder and i'll wrap it up quick the mcculler road pd and e study uh i think most everybody got a notice of that just so the public is aware public hearings is uh thursday may 21st 2026 and then the bcc hearing is tuesday june 2nd uh 2026 that'll be it on the 21st at 9 a.m and tuesday at 9 a.m uh the orange kennedy commission chambers 201 south roslin avenue i know that's a very important thing for a lot of people in our rural areas so just a heads up on that outside of that everything else is perfect no emu is loose in my district right now it's good thank you commissioner constantine we're on a roll yes we are okay i want to congratulate both bob and jay on on their events on april 30th they were great um did want to let you know at the national association of counties board of directors meeting that um a lot of interest uh was met with other counties uh on our trails and our tid so i've let our staff know to get back to those counties to talk to them and one thing that um myself and others have talked about in the past for a benefit to our uh to our employees that we should look at is child care and i want you to know that uh um pasco county is now implementing that in their um in in their offices you know in their administrative offices and with us building a new complex i you know i've talked to the county manager about looking into that possibility and bringing it back if uh you know if there's if it's feasible um also i would like to uh let you know that orlando health is going to have a behavioral hospital ribbon cutting on the 15th leadership seminar is also having a celebration as we all know on the 15th uh the runway for hope that we did give a proclamation to is having their runway on the 16th this saturday um and uh just an update on the um sloths we almost lost one this morning but we did not she rallied or he rallied i can't tell it's called ginger and ginger rallied and um and i will tell you one uh hits on this worldwide 1.4 billion hits on this yeah yeah wouldn't that be nice um in in addition that we were also having a memorial ceremony at uh crane's roost this year on the 20th and um i wanted to thank as darren said the staff did great job on the citizens academy and uh i i do have a sad note that um a fellow state legislator that i served both in the house and and the and the house and the senate to bill posey uh 16 years i served with him he passed away that he has a incredible family and i give that i um i all my condolences to the family in prayers and to the two ladies on the board i hope you had great mother's days thank you does that conclude your president all right i think that leaves it to commissioner lockhart to round this up yeah so um i wanted to let you all know um you know about kelly's ice cream kelly's is no secret commissioner herr is a huge fan but what you may not know is that kelly's has moved their manufacturing facility from orange county to seminole county recently i not know that i know we're super users it's a huge get and uh the seminole chamber has done a little uh a video welcoming them to the county and highlighting them and what have you and so their newest location is actually in my district on lake mary boulevard in the um home goods tj maxx shopping center so that's incredibly um convenient so um anyway had a great time uh welcoming them and and doing a quick little video a great veterans luncheon shout out to everybody involved in putting that together it's fantastic um the america 250 truck tour that was in winter springs i wasn't quite sure what i was going to walk into for that with that event but it really if if you have an opportunity and you're somewhere in florida and you see that there are eight or nine of these trucks around the country they're 18 it's an 18 wheeler that has been converted into the with a side pop-out that you can walk through it and get like a very high-tech cool experience tour of this of the forming of our country for america 250 and it's just very well done i it was very cool i wasn't sure what to expect um congratulations to everyone at seminal state we had our spring commencement highest graduation attendance ever 763 graduates actually walked it's it's harder um at our some of our state colleges to encourage people to walk um but they had um it was just fantastic the celebration was great um attended the foundation for seminole county public schools donor appreciation event another great collaboration speaking of um the possibility of doing a daycare type facility that was something we had talked about years ago when we had imagined creating our five points uh admin building in conjunction with the school district that we could have a co-located but i would thinking now we didn't have then but seminal state now has a an early childhood elementary education program that could be a nice little synergistic um opportunity there so thank you for bringing that up um national day of prayer was held last week i had the honor of offering a prayer at the community church in castleberry for local state and national government um such a neat group of people in our community i also attended the ribbon cutting for at the national national entrepreneur center down at ucf creative village i had no idea what a phenomenal facility that was that campus down there admittedly it's my first time down at that creative village area but um i got my first city of orlando parking ticket there so heads up to any of you who park down there street parking is not free it didn't dawn on me that i'd have to pay to park on the street i know i promptly paid my ticket so you're welcome buddy um but it was a great event other than getting a parking ticket uh the county you have a red light ticket right no it was a non-moving violation i just parked in the wrong spot um the county manager and uh members of his team we and kate latour and and we met with the sheriff and members of his team and the state attorney uh and assistant state attorney to talk about where things are with the medical examiner process just to make sure that everybody is connected we're all on the same page we have um open dialogue going forward i know everyone is going to be updated on important points moving forward but it was a great meeting both the sheriff and the state attorney are very supportive of what we are doing they are glad that we have made the decision that we have made and are i would say fully fully on board attended the lake mary city commission meeting uh what a pleasure it is to work with that city this their city manager was just fully engaged and involved and their commissioners were just are just such a delight so shout out to the city of lake mary i've not attended very many of our city various city commission meetings but they they did a very good job later this week i will be in south florida speaking with our emergency manager alan harris on a panel at the governor's hurricane conference i have not attended that conference before but i'm excited about that and i'm hoping that it's all for naught that we have a conference this year and we have no storms that would be lovely but just in case people are going to convene and have some good dialogue also for anyone who was interested in attending the rural boundary town hall that was being uh set up not by us but by members of the community that is being rescheduled it was going to be held i believe this uh thursday or friday night and it is now being rescheduled a date yet to be determined that's the end of my report awesome thank you i'm going to give a big shout out to the library who hosted the citizens academy i know we've talked about this before i have to tell you i was a little hesitant to pick the i picked the library on purpose as the one i went to because i wanted to see how they made that super cool and interesting um i would rather probably be riding a a dump truck or jumping around on a dump truck if i were a kid but 100 of the kids that were there were fully engaged the parents were exceptionally relaxed they were enjoying an afternoon and touring through the facility and doing all sorts of stuff so they did a fabulous job um we have the air show is coming uh to the airport in sanford on the september 26th and 27th this year it will be demo jets and f-22 and f-18 and an f-16 this is an off year so it won't be the blue angels i will also tell you that you may have heard through the grapevine that we have interacted with the uh facilitator of this this is a for-profit operation and historically we have just somebody has between the sheriff and the city of sanford paid for all of the security and this year we're doing a shared arrangement where they are chipping in an equal share to the rest of us including the airport who cannot pay for things like that but they will lean in with us somewhere else and um the city of sanford and the sheriff's office so it was a an aligned collaboration to move this and into the future that the idea that this can't all be on the taxpayer uh i did attend the rising achievers award this was something that was put together years ago by dd schaffner the lake mary rotary karen elman is still doing it lake mary rotary is the former south seminal rotary is folded into the lake mary rotary so they're still doing it as it was really remarkable i felt akin to the a lot of the kids that were there they were very uh clear to mention that their gpas are not all 4.5s or whatever the scores are that you can get these days but these were good solid c students and i truly do believe that we run the world and so i thought it was really cool that there's a scholarship opportunity for those of us that didn't actually buy all of our books um i also did a i read our proclamation at the sheriff's office national day of prayer event which is hosted by nancy acevedo she had a wonderful turnout there were 13 different prayer leaders there all from the denominations around the county and it was it's really cool to see that all come together it is a rare place to live where we get that to happen and i'm going to give out a shout a shout out for the veterans luncheon but also congratulations to the veteran of the year u.s army sergeant brian ortiz we're super proud of you and that does conclude my report which i think allows us to adjourn this meeting i don't see any citizens you got anything hidden back there no public comment meeting adjourned