Board of County Commissioners on 2026-04-14 9:30 AM - Apr 14, 2026

Thank you all so much for being here. If you would kindly take your seats. We're running, well, is the clock the right time-ish? Yes. It's a little slow. Right. A little slow. All right. Well, then we are... It's 9.32. There we go. It's on time. So we are going to go ahead and take our seats, if you would, please, and silence your cell phones. We're going to get started this morning, and I'd like to call to order the Tuesday, April 14th meeting of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners. Our invocation and Pledge of Allegiance this morning will be offered by Pastor Eddie Rivera. We are so happy to have you here today. Let us pray. Father God, we thank you for life and for breath, for allowing us to gather here today. You said in your word that all leadership and authority is placed by you, and so we just pray, God, that you would give us wisdom as we collaborate, as we unify, to speak the matters of this county, Lord. We pray, God, for your presence here today. We love you. It's in your name we pray. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you so much. Pastor Rivera is a pastor at Action Church here in Seminole County, and he is also chaplain for our Seminole County Fire Service. Yes. Thank you. Not on your agenda, but we have a wonderful presentation this morning. Our fire chief, Chief Matt Kinley, has some things to share with us and a video that we'd like to play. Good morning, for the record. Matt Kinley, fire chief, Seminole County Fire Department. I'm not going to tell you anything that you all don't already know, but just for the public, we had a great event here in Seminole County April 1st through the 4th. In partnership with Seminole State College, Seminole County government attracted the Firefighter Challenge Championship Series. It's an actual sport in the firefighting world. It encompasses five disciplines of which firefighters do on a fire ground. It has been deemed by ESPN the toughest two-minute in sports, and if you can do it in two minutes, you are an incredible athlete. We had a lot of our personnel participate. We had over 33 of our current personnel participate and one retiree. There was over 100 firefighters from across the world, as far away as from Arnold Schwarzenegger's homeland, all participating in over 200 different events. But to better show you what they did, we have a short video. Recognizing the very best of the best, the All-American Firefighter Challenge, right here in Seminole County. It's a series of five events, which is a stair climb, a hose hoist, a forceful entry simulator, hose drag, and then a victim rescue. This is a great event to showcase their training and all the years of experience they have. It's an opportunity for the public to come out and take a look at what firefighters do, hopefully to inspire that next generation of firefighters. Seeing all these other firefighters from all over the United States and other countries, it's just a blessing, and we're really honored here in Seminole County to host this. We've got over 25 of our personnel out here. We've got a guys team, we've got a girls team, we've got a combination teams. It's just really great. It's always exciting for me to convince newer firefighters to come out and do this and participate, and hopefully they get bit by the bug and want to keep doing it for the rest of the season. Jen Cox and I have unofficially set the state record for co-ed over 40. Let's go! To see our own fire chief, Matt Kinley, Chief Kinley do this, I don't even think he'd run for sweat, to be honest with you. Chief Kinley, that's off to you. It's really, really impressive to have an all-cheats team led by our fire chief, Matt Kinley. So to see that being led from the top down is very inspiring for us as athletes. Now it's time to kind of put all the pieces together and get out there and race. So I'm pretty sure I've never said this before, Commissioner Dallari, you were wrong. I was sweating. Again, great event, brought a lot of people together. We're hopeful to bring an even bigger event next year, just to point out how, again, our crews perform. Out of all the competitions, we had seven gold medal winners, five silver and one bronze. Nice. Fantastic. Good stuff. Commissioners, any questions, comments? Well, Matt, what does unofficially mean? You don't mean that unofficially? So I had to go back and get certified. I don't know whether it's been certified since. But we were told on site that Lieutenant Bowman and Lieutenant Cox set the Florida record. Awesome. Congratulations. Congratulations. Well, I would say that good work, fantastic getting out there and showing all of our skills. I will tell you, it's not as easy as it may appear to be. When I spent this past year on my dirty jobs tour and I went to the fire training center and they put all that heavy gear on me and I'll tell you what, it's hot. I mean, as soon as you get the gear on, you start sweating. So amazing y'all were out there and it was warm that morning and afternoon. So good stuff. We appreciate y'all. Mr. Mancher. Chief, how heavy is the bunker gear that they're actually carrying? So once you put the gear on and the pack, you're pushing 75 pounds. Then, like when you're going up the tower and you're starting to carry a hose, you're well over 100 pounds. Wow. It's also impressive for the event. The firefighters are definitely impressive. But to see the support from their families, it's very inspiring to see not just the firefighters but their entire families all in. We always say this is a family job. And it's not just about the person on the truck but everybody who's supporting behind them. Well done. It was awesome. It was a great day. It was really wonderful to have so many of our local Seminole County agencies out there being supportive between the college and the county. And our economic development team was out there. I mean, we had, I don't know how many people. Do we have the numbers on the economic impact of that event here in Seminole County? I do not. Guy, who is the orchestrator of this event, thank you, Guy, may have that. Maybe later on he can dig those up for us. Oh, it's in your report. Fabulous. Wonderful. Thank you so much. And, of course, a big thanks to Seminole State for putting things together at their facility. It was great. Great. We had our academy students out there, cadets. It was fantastic. Yeah, it was phenomenal. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Next up this morning, we have our proclamation for our Veteran of the Month, and this will be read by Commissioner Constantine. We're also going to skip around a little bit. After the Veteran of the Month, we are going to read and pull from the consent agenda items number five, six, and seven, which are the other proclamations on the agenda this morning. So, Commissioner Constantine. Thank you, Madam Chair, and it is an honor to read this today, this proclamation of the Seminole County Board of Commissioners, recognizing United States Army Sergeant First Class Tiffany Johnson for outstanding service to the United States and Seminole County, and I'll move this resolution. Whereas the brave men and women of our Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard, and Space Force demonstrate a resolute spirit and unmatched selfishness, selflessness, reminding us there are few things more American than giving ourselves to make a difference in the lives of others. And whereas, throughout our country's history, generations of service members have answered the call to leave their families, their jobs, and put their futures and even their lives online to valiantly defend our nation. And whereas, for many service members, the sacrifice has ended in permanent injury or death, yet their spirit remains in continued preservation of our freedoms and the promise of liberty. And whereas, there are more than 30,000 living veterans in Seminole County who served our nation in times of peace and war. Through their service, they kept America strong. And whereas, Sergeant Johnson began her journey in August of 1993, coming from a small town in South Carolina, raised in a family of sailors, but choosing to forge her own path in the United States Army. She served as a human resource specialist supporting the prestigious units of the 101st Airborne Division, the 82nd Airborne Division, and the 18th Airborne Corps, as they partook in the combat operations in Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Iraq. And whereas, Sergeant Johnson made significant contributions to the Army, including helping establish the first air assault school at Fort Bragg and pioneering anti-synchronism training for the non-commissioned officer academy. Her exemplary service earned numerous awards and decorations, including the combat action badge, airborne qualification badge, and the notorious service medal. After 22 years of honorable service, she retired from the United States Army and returned home to Lake Mary in 2016. Whereas, following her retirement, Sergeant Johnson has continued her commitment to serve as a case manager for the Seminole County Veterans Treatment Court, where she provides a vital role in supporting and advocating on behalf of veteran clients. Sergeant Johnson works closely with multiple agencies, including the Desire Foundation and Rescue Outreach Mission, assisting citizens who are homeless with housing, food, and clothing. Whereas, Sergeant Johnson has brought great credit and distinction upon herself, the United States of America, the United States Army, and Seminole County. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that we, the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, Florida, express our gratitude, admiration, and respect for Sergeant Tiffany Johnson for her outstanding service in the United States Army. Be it further proclaimed that this proclamation is presented to Sergeant First Class Tiffany Johnson, along with our sincere congratulations and recognition as Seminole County's Veteran of the Month. Second. Everyone is standing. We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion passes four to zero. Commissioner Herr will be joining us later this morning. Welcome, Ms. Johnson. We are so happy to have you here, and please share a few words with us. Oh, I didn't have anything prepared, so please forgive me. But thank you to the commissioners and to the county, and also to the one who recommended me, Woody. Thank you. I'm so grateful for my career. I thank God for carrying me those 22 years. And it wouldn't be, I wouldn't be so successful if it wasn't for the soldiers that I led. So I thank you for this award, and thank you. All right. Wonderful. Thank you for your service. After each proclamation is read and voted on, at the end of the proclamations, we'll all come down to the floor, and we can take pictures of whoever you've brought with you to be recognized with you this morning. So thank you so much. Our next proclamation is going to be read by Commissioner Dilawri. It is the Child Abuse Prevention Month proclamation. Thank you, Madam Chair. Before I read the proclamation, I just want to say a couple things regarding it in broad terms, and then we'll get a little more specific. Each year, many times, I can tell you the months go by so quick that right after the holidays, he's like, wow, that happened quick, and then 12 months goes by and another holiday shows up. And it's amazing how fast the months just click by. The month of April for me, as well as many other people, it's very special because we recognize child abuse awareness. It's an issue that is more front and center for people than people may realize. I will also tell you that the color blue is the color for child abuse awareness. Every April, because of what it means, I always paint one fingernail blue. I've done this month, year after year. And I'm amazed at how I do it. In fact, it happened this past Saturday when I was at dinner. Someone asked me, he goes, what's wrong with your fingernail? I'm like, what do you mean? And I always see you got around to painting one fingernail. What about the other nine? And he goes, well, painting my fingernails is not a deal. It's not what I do normally, but it is for the month of April. And I do this one finger blue, and I say, because one out of five children, one out of five will be abused by the time they're 18 years old. One child too many. And I encourage everyone that if you're so inclined for the month of April, please paint that one fingernail. So when people ask you, why did you only do one fingernail? Because I'm supporting that one child. One child is one child too many. Also, what they do with Child Abuse Awareness Month, they actually pass out pinwheels. If you go by Kids House, which is a child abuse center for all of Seminole County, you'll see pinwheels in front of Kids House as well as the Sheriff's Department. Because it's something that so many families don't discuss. I mean, there's many subjects that families don't discuss. But this is one topic that our entire family, the public, the county, our country should be discussing on a regular basis because that one child is so important to us all. So thank you for allowing me to go off script a little bit, Madam Chair. We do that here. Excuse me? We do that here. We do that periodically. I want to thank so many people that support that one child. This proclamation starts that, and I wish it could go further. So with that, Madam Chairman, thank you for the honor and the privilege for the proclamation of Seminole County Board of County Commissioners proclaiming April 2026 a Child Abuse Prevention Month in Seminole County, Florida. And whereas the health, safety, well-being of children are fundamentally priorities of Seminole County, and all children deserve to grow up in a safe, stable, nurturing environment free of abuse and neglect. And whereas child abuse and neglect remains a serious concern affecting communities throughout Florida and Seminole County with thousands of children impacted each year. And whereas Seminole County's thousands of children are subject to the abuse or neglect reported each year, including hundreds of confirmed cases, underscoring the importance of prevention and early intervention. And whereas preventing child abuse requires a collective commitment from the residents, educators, health professionals, law enforcement, social service agencies, community leaders working together to support families and protect children. And whereas Kids House in Seminole County serves as the nationally accredited children's advocacy center and is the central hub for child abuse investigation in Seminole County, providing a safe, child-friendly environment where children receive coordinated services, including forensic interviews, medical care, therapy, and advocacy. And whereas Kids House brings together law enforcement, children prevented investigation, prosecution, prosecutors, mental and medical health professionals in a multidiscipline approach to ensure compassion and effective response to the children that are abused. And whereas increased public awareness strengthens families and promotes protective factors such as parents' resilience, social connection, access to resources are essential to preventing child abuse before it occurs. And whereas April is recognized nationwide as Child Abuse Prevention Month, symbolizing the blue pinwheel, presenting a bright and hopeful future for all children that they deserve. Now forth, they proclaim that we, the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, do proclaim April 2026 as Child Abuse Prevention Month, adopted this 14th day of April 2026. Second. There's a motion and a second. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you. It feels strange to clap after a proclamation like that, but we'd like to invite Melissa Winstead from Kids House. If you're here, or someone, a representative from Kids House who's here this morning, if you'd like to speak about this proclamation and what it means to your organization and maybe a little bit about how you serve our community so well. And Madam Chair, there also is an individual with Melissa's Denise. She has Jordan with her. Can we bring Jordan down? Jordan plays a very vital role for that one child. Jordan has four feet. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Introduce Jordan. Good morning. Good morning. This isn't the first time Jordan's been here to visit you guys. Jordan is our facility dog at Kids House, and this August she will have been working with the thousands of kids that have come through. It will have been 10 years. So we're very, very lucky. The difference that she has been able to make providing unconditional love for kids that oftentimes have never received that. We're very, very thankful. Thank you for being here. We appreciate all that you do. And Madam Chair, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that the Sheriff, Dennis Lima, and his whole entire team and the seven law enforcement agencies in each one of the cities are remarkable. So please, when you see an individual wearing a uniform, thank them for the work that they do to protect that one child. I am going to be reading the next proclamation, which is proclaiming April 29th, 2026, as Denim Day in Seminole County. Yet another proclamation that probably won't elicit clapping, but something that is so important that we have awareness in this community and that everyone knows that we stand resolutely with victims and supporting our law enforcement to bring those to justice who have created victims. So, Commissioners, I'd like to move the following proclamation of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners proclaiming April 29th, 2026, as Denim Day in Seminole County. Whereas Denim Day is observed annually on the last Wednesday of April as part of Sexual Assault Awareness Month, encouraging individuals to wear denim as a visible statement of solidarity with survivors of sexual violence. And whereas Denim Day began in 1999 following international outrage over a court ruling that overturned a sexual assault conviction based on harmful misconceptions about consent, inspiring a global movement to challenge victim blaming and support survivors. Whereas this campaign has grown into the longest running sexual violence prevention and education initiative in the world, uniting communities, organizations, and governments, and raising awareness and promoting prevention. And whereas sexual violence affects individuals of all ages, genders, and backgrounds, and it is the responsibility of communities to foster a culture of respect, accountability, and support for survivors. And whereas Seminole County is committed to the safety, health, and well-being of its residents, and works in partnership with local organizations, law enforcement, educational institutions, and advocacy groups across Central Florida to provide resources, support services, and prevention education. And whereas institutions such as Seminole State College and regional victim service organizations actively participate in awareness efforts, demonstrating the community's dedication to supporting survivors, and promoting education of this critical issue. And whereas wearing denim on this day sends a powerful message that there is no excuse for sexual violence and that clothing never implies consent. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that we, the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, Florida, do hereby proclaim April 29, 2026, as Denim Day, adopted this 14th day of April, 2026. Second. There's a motion and a second. All those in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. I believe we have a representative this morning to accept this proclamation. Mr. Damiani? Good morning, Madam Chair, Commissioners. My name is Louie Damiani. I am the Executive Director of the Victim Service Center of Central Florida, where for 27 years we've been serving victims of violent crime, sexual assault, and any other kind of traumatic circumstance. We do that a variety of ways through advocacy, 24-7 crisis response. And I share that, and it's actually fitting that I'm here today on the same day that we're talking about child abuse prevention, because the month of April is also Sexual Assault Awareness Month, not by accident. Whereas, you know, Safe House is the Child Advocacy Center for Seminole County, the Victim Service Center is the Certified Rape Crisis Center. In fact, we are the only rape crisis center in Seminole, Orange, or Osceola County. What that means, last year alone, we responded to 352 sexual assault victims in crisis in the immediate aftermath of their assault. So nearly once a day, our team of experts responds to a victim in crisis. We also provided 3,400 therapy sessions and served an additional 2,900 clients. And best of all, all of our services are always free of charge to the community. We have a satellite office, in fact, here in Seminole County. So I applaud you for drawing attention. We take the last day, the last Wednesday in April, every single year, and locally we champion Denim Day. This is the, I don't know how many years now you all have supported us, and I appreciate that. So you'll see us all in denim on the 29th. Of course, you'll see pinwheels in front of our offices throughout the month, because our partners at the CAC do what we do for children, and we take care of the rest of the community. So I honor you. I can tell you participation in Denim Day, you are not alone. Both Orange County government, Osceola County government, all the major cities, City of Sanford, Lake Mary, you know, Orlando. We've been at this now for about a decade, 11 years, championing Denim Day, and it's super, super easy to participate. Number one, you wear your denim on the 29th. It's super simple. But number two is you take a photo, much like the fingernail, right? Take a photo, and you post that to your social media, and you tag us using the hashtag Denim Day at VSC Florida Victim Service Center, and then just watch it explode. We will have the entire state of Florida covered. You know, people will be taking pictures of their teams dressed in their denim, standing in solidarity with victims, and we should all do that, right? And so all the major governments, all the major businesses in Central Florida really galvanized around Denim Day, and I appreciate and honor you all for joining in that cause. And thank you for allowing us to be here today. Thank you. Thank you. Our next proclamation is going to be read by Commissioner Zembauer, recognizing May 7th as the National Day of Prayer. Thank you, Madam Chair. As we reflect upon the proclamations that have already been entered and the ability for all of us to gather here today and we reflect upon our faith, nothing is more appropriate as what we see going on in this country currently as well as around the world. So as I read this, I would ask that you reflect upon your own faith as we are in trying times, and hopefully we move forward as this country has always done so and persevered with God's grace. The proclamation of Seminole County Board of County Commissioners proclaiming May 7th, 2026 as a National Day of Prayer in Seminole County, Florida. Whereas throughout the history of the United States of America, we've poured out prayers in times of crisis and celebration, and prosperity and need in times of war and peace, we've poured out praise to God for all he is. Thanks to God for all he has done, confessions and pleas for forgiveness when we have parted from his words and will. And our history is filled with his grace, goodness, and abundant answers to those prayers. And whereas from the first prayer of our Continental Congress in 1774 to the opening of every session of the House of Representatives and Senate, and throughout hearts and homes across the United States of America, the practice of prayer continues to seek God for guidance, wisdom, power, protection, and provision that has persevered, hope, and united us as one nation under God. And whereas the National Day of Prayer is a public law established in the United States Congress in 1952, approved by a joint resolution amended by Congress and President Reagan with Public Law 100-307 in 1988, affirming that it is essential for us as a nation to pray and directs the President of the United States to set aside and proclaim the first Thursday of May annually as National Day of Prayer. And whereas in our country, in our county, and across the United States of America, the Observer's National Day of Prayer will be held on Thursday, May 7, 2026 with the theme, Glorify God Among the Nations, Seeking Him in All Generations, inspired by 1 Chronicles 1624, and the theme encourages believers to tell of God's glory and wonderful deeds across all nations in celebrating his works. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that we, the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, Florida, do hereby proclaim May 7, 2026 as National Day of Prayer in Seminole County, Florida, and request the observance of our citizens and hope the prayers be poured out for our county, for our neighbors as we live, serve, and work, and learn together that we share in joy, peace, and abound in hope, adopted this 14th day, April 2026. Second. Motion and a second. Any discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. We can clap for the national. So, if we would, if we could start with the Veteran of the Month, we're going to come down and do pictures in order, in the order in which we did the proclamation. So, if you want to get your groups kind of together and ready to come on down, that would be fantastic. Thank you. Mr. County Manager, do we have any modifications to the consent agenda, other than the three items that we just pulled randomly? Thank you, Madam Chair and Commissioners. No changes to the consent agenda. All right. Commissioners, any items you would like to pull for discussion or a separate vote? I do not, and I'm prepared to make a motion. All right. Please do. Move to approve consent items 2 through 4 and 8 through 14. Second. There's a motion and a second. Any discussion? Oh, public comment. Is there anyone here who would like to comment? No, ma'am. And, you know, Dominique, we rely on you to shout out, hey, I figured you would, but thank you. I appreciate it. Or Kate, somebody. You've got to keep us in line. All right. Motion and a second. There is no public comment. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you for catching that. Our first item on the regular agenda is an update from our Public Works Director, Tanya Lurie, on McCulloch Road. Thank you. Good morning, Madam Chair, members of the Commission. Our next presentation is actually a follow-up to a board discussion in February. There was a public meeting for the McCulloch Road widening. At that time, this commission asked the chair to send Orange County a letter. And in that letter, there was actually a request for Orange County to come to this commission and give a presentation on the roadway and the improvements. So we followed up, we've had a lot of great discussions with Orange County, and I'm pleased to introduce Brian Sanders, who's a manager with the Transportation and Planning Department, which is part of their Public Works Department at Orange County. So without further ado, here's Brian. Welcome. Thank you for being willing to cross the border this morning and join us. Well, thank you very much, Madam Chair and Commissioners. And I did cross the border, but not without a team with me. So just in way of introductions, our Deputy County Administrator, John Weiss, Deputy Director of Public Works, Susan Usash, my Project Manager, Ian Fiers, and our Consultant Project Manager, Kevin Knutson from Dewberry. Welcome, all of you. Thank you. Well, I got the introductions out of the way. McCulloch Road is a very important road for all of us. And we do have some common interests that we share in that roadway. And I'll get into that a little bit more as we get through the presentation. And as such, we should have, you know, common objectives as far as what that roadway does for us and the communities around it. I want to step through a little bit of history using aerial photography. And I picked the 50s on purpose because that's when the road right-of-way showed up. And I'll get into that a little bit more. Alafea Trail was there in 58. North Tanner Road was there in 58. A little bit of activity around the Lake Price area. A little bit in Seminole County as well during that period of time. In 1956 and 57, there were right-of-way dedications for the McCulloch Road, 40 feet in Orange County, 40 feet in Seminole County. And that stretched from Alafea all the way to North Tanner Road. As time went on in the late 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, a number of subdivisions were approved by both Seminole and Orange County. And with that came additional pieces of right-of-way that formed the complete right-of-way that's out there today. A decade moving forward into the 60s, you could see that there was interest in the community to travel over to Lake Claire, the Boggy Branch. This was an important time for UCF as well, FTU at that time. You could see that they were constructing their campus. A decade later, much more formation in the UCF area, dirt roads pushing in from North Tanner Road. It seemed like everyone was headed down to the branch. And other improvements started showing up. A little bit of land clearing on the east side of the branch. I had a 1980s aerial, but it had a big block taken out of it. But incredible, incredible development happened in the late 80s all the way into the 90s. The building boom happened. You can see that the landscape changed a lot. The four-laning of McCulloch Road to Lockwood Boulevard happened. The two-laning continuation east to Tanner Road happened. UCF, very well developed at that time. Not a stadium yet. The bounce house hasn't arrived, but that came later, and we'll see that as well. During that period of time also, Seminole County and Orange County, we had roads in place. We needed to have a way to maintain them. So it was actually, this was an update to a previous agreement. I couldn't find that one. Anything that old is hard to find. So road maintenance agreement includes McCulloch Road, four other roads, Oronal Road, some others. And it was segmental maintenance. So the county line went right down the middle of the road, and we didn't want to manage your half, our half, so we did it in segments. And I've got a map to show that here. The red line on that is Seminole County's maintenance. The green is Orange County's segment maintenance. And this road project is illustrated at the beginning and the end. So Seminole has just a little bit, basically, that Lockwood intersection. And then here we are in the latest area. The Pounds House is in tremendous development continues. UCF is up to 70,000 enrollment now. And so there's McCulloch Road is being used quite frequently. In 2015, Mayor Teresa Jacobs at a state-of-the-county address announced a new funding initiative for us. It's called Invest in Our Homes for Life. We just call it Invest, $300 million of investment there. A significant portion of that went to roadways and intersections and safety projects. And this McCulloch Road project was within that package of improvements. It also included fire rescue housing and parks. We have a lot of common interests, as I mentioned before. We have infrastructure goals, both of us do, focusing on safety, making sure that our emergency services can get to our residents without having to fight with congestion and other impediments. We've also all signed on to the Vision Zero resolutions at MetroPlan. It's a very strong commitment to the community as well. And everyone wants the surety that they have easy access to these roadways. And they want multimodal uses. Everyone just doesn't want to be in a car all the time. So there's other modes of transportation that we can offer here. And there's a concerted effort. This area is very sensitive to land use changes and the response of the transportation plans that go along with that. And we all come together regionally at MetroPlan. And we're senior leaders at MetroPlan as the biggest agencies there. So it's important that we work together. In terms of our project development, this has been on our long-range plan for a number of years. The 1.1-mile corridor study was kicked off in 21. It has extensive alternatives analysis and data collection and public outreach. This is our functional equivalent to the state's PD&E study. You can see the typical section. And we had a couple of typical sections that we analyzed. Very similar to what's out there on the four-lane segment that you maintain. Community engagement, we did have a meeting. It was very well attended. It was right there at the Methodist Church. We had about 71 people plus staff. So it was a good turnout. The land uses support this road as well. A lot of single-family, multifamily, some planned development. And, of course, UCF is right there on the corner. Traffic analysis. That was a critical component of this project. As you can see the graph to the right, the historical traffic counts back in 2008 going up through COVID. COVID did a big reset in the traffic for probably some, and Orange County as well. We've seen that. But we also have seen that ticking back up, that red line across there. That's the capacity of a two-lane roadway. So we're heading back in that direction. As big agencies and companies are calling workers back into the office, we will continue to see that happen. And as we looked at the no-build and build forecast, there's a range that we saw coming, anywhere from 25,000 to 37,000 average annual daily traffics. And you can see that the 2038 volumes forecasted are very similar to what's happening out on the four-lane road today. And so significant travel demand issues will happen coming up. It was also important for us to look at the crashes and the topology of all of that. You can see that the intersections dominate. They always do. Fortunately, there's not been any fatalities in this segment. And we've seen a lot of pedestrians and bicycles. We've documented a lot of those being so proximal to UCF and other uses to the west. In terms of our typical sections, we'll take a moment to illustrate this. Very similar, as I mentioned, to the four-lane section that's out there today. We are utilizing some of the road base from the two-lane section. It's a cost savings and efficiency that we can use. Narrowing those lanes down to 11 feet, having a raised median with access management helps with the speed control of the corridor. It includes a six-foot sidewalk, multi-purpose path, and, as I mentioned, access management through the medians for the subdivisions and commercial. Right away is a need for this project. I'm going to illustrate a couple of areas. No direct impacts to the residents or displacements. We looked at about 11 stormwater ponds. That was probably the biggest challenge of this corridor is finding a place to put the water. The right-of-way includes some tie-downs and some expanded ramps at this intersection. I just want to focus on the west side. Here we go. The blow-up there. As part of the stormwater collection, we worked extensively up until just very recently with UCF for a stormwater pond, and that's the blue-shaded stormwater pond there on the south side. We also needed some floodplain compensation. As we expand that culvert crossing here in the Boggy Branch flowway, we will be impacting some floodplain in order to do that. And as such, we have identified an area on the Seminole County side for floodplain compensation. The next area is to the east, and here it's kind of hard to see the red line. There's about a five-foot area that we've identified that we may need in order to tie that improvement back down. This is very early in the development process. We didn't have the profile grade of the road as of yet. This isn't design. This is the study. And we would be looking to design that out if possible. So that equates to about a half acre. It's HOA property, and then a little bit of the Dollar General to the far east. In terms of the benefits, congestion management and safety is very high on the list. About 15% of the traffic comes from Seminole on that corridor. The Seminole County side has about five driveways, both commercial and residential. There's an existing traffic signal as well. Crash reduction. We've all signed on to Division Zero, driving those serious injuries and fatalities to zero. Adding better access management, lighting, signage, pavement markings, all help the safety and crash reductions. Extra mobility for bicyclists and pedestrians. We did hear that the residents identified some drainage issues out there. We want to be able to take care of that as well. And the best of all, Orange County would maintain most of that. In terms of our schedule, like I said, ongoing PD&E, we're looking to land our public hearing June 2nd at our board. The next, if we're allowed to move forward with this, would be the design phase. We do have about $2 million in budget for that. It's a two-year process. Most of these roads are about that. Getting through that, moving on, right away acquisition, there's a little bit of funding, not enough to fund the whole thing at this time. Another two-year duration and then construction after that as well. Overall, we estimate at a planning level stage about $33 million for this project. And in summary, we all have mutual interests on this corridor. It's a very important corridor. Safety matters. Our emergency services need to be able to get in and out easily. There's traffic needs. There's crash reductions that we need to make happen. In the movement of goods and services, this is a functionally classified roadway. Operations matter. We want to make sure that this is an efficient project, consistent with the other segments. And there's opportunities to add sustainability elements into this as well. Timing matters. The cost of doing nothing is high. We've all seen the increases in costs over time. Our property owners matter also. Very strong consensus in this area has not gone unnoticed, believe me. We share a lot of that in common for developments on our side as well. Strong consensus that no easterly extension of McCulloch should happen. And we want to minimize the impacts to our residents. Again, our next steps with local planning agency, May 21st, and our BCC hearing on the 2nd. With that, commissioners, I'm here to answer any questions you may have. Fantastic. Thank you so much. Great presentation. Any questions, comments? Commissioner Jalari. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I don't have a question, but I have a couple of statements if you don't mind, Madam Chair and Board. First of all, I want to thank you for Orange County staff for presenting here today. I did have a briefing with you as well as our staff. I think it was last week. Very well presented. I think it's good that this is coming forward because this will allow us the opportunity to look at our joint planning agreement slash road maintenance agreement. I don't know how many years it's been, but it's been more than 20 years that I can imagine that it needs to be updated because there are... We need to bring it back into modern times, so thank you for allowing us to do that. I also want to thank UCF for their being great partners with not just our county, but Orange County and all the residents around there. A perfect example of that is Fire Station 65. It's a joint use station. Orange County provides the engine. We provide medical transport, and both fire departments as well as staff works well together, and there's a lot to be said for that, and I know that we all work well together on many different levels. I do have some concerns, and I'm hoping that as we move forward, we can address them. Looking at your presentation, and I think I pointed this out in our meeting in my office, West Hampton, you're doing 1.94 acres of floodplain compensation that will affect that community, and I really think that it shouldn't, and there needs to be another way to address that. This has been a long-range plan for a number of years, and it's been over 25 years that I could come to imagine, and it's not really been in the forefront for us because there's really been, from our citizen's standpoint, really no outcry to widen this road yet, and I'm sure at some point it will. Looking at your presentation, you're right. It's the PD&E looks at the road. There really is no intersection improvements. The big intersection improvement needs to happen at 434 and McCulloch Road, and I'm hoping that we can move the needle on that because there are several issues at that intersection because right now, by just widening the road, and again, I think that all we're doing is just getting people quicker to that intersection and developing a bigger parking lot, in my opinion. But at the same token, I think something needs to be done. I don't know if it's this because, you know, what I'm concerned about is as we get closer to the river, I'm afraid that the state or someone could preempt us to go over the river, and I'm opposed to doing that. And that's my biggest concern, as well as by doing this, it alleviates the burning desire, if there is a desire, to do the Richard Cruddy Parkway to Tanner Road and to move people because this will be a parallel road to that. And that's why I'm opposed to a lot of these issues that I'm talking about because I don't see the answers yet. Those are my comments, Madam Chair. Thank you. Would you like to address any of those? Sure, sure, yeah. We've been working with staff. Tawny's been fantastic, and the team has been fantastic. And you've been doing a great job with that, don't get it wrong. Yep, absolutely. Some of those issues are ongoing issues. We're discussing those, and we'll have much more communication coming in in the future. I think that as we look forward, as we talk about what the state is doing, they're doing it to all of us equally. I think we're much better positioned to be in alignment with each other as we face those mandates from the state. And we're committed to working with Seminole County in that regard moving forward. So that, I just wanted to let you know, we're all going to be working together on those things. And these issues I bring forward, I already spoke to you about. I just want to make it public. That's all. Absolutely. Any other comments? Commissioner Zembauer. Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. So, go back to original planning in Orange County. You now have the GROW, the Agri-Hood that's coming out of the ground. And the GROW brought somewhere around $24 million to the table to help widen Highway 50 eastbound, which that is about to take place and kick off, as you well know. But the one thing that continues to be a problem in this general area is because UCF has grown, because on both sides of the border there has been growth on both sides. Richard Crotty Parkway has been contemplated in your long-range plan for decades, but yet nothing has happened. This has been identified in numerous meetings between the counties as well as the community, and identifying the Richard Crotty for another east-west in that UCF corridor. As the GROW comes out of the ground and we have more density there and whatever entitlements exist to the eastern part of Orange County will add more traffic to this corridor. And at some point we even identified Bonneville Drive from Highway 50 coming up north and south to relieve traffic in and around UCF through Research Park. And at that time Research Park had no appetite for allowing that to occur, which we all know. Can you talk to us how Richard Crotty, is it ever going to happen? I mean, I'm okay if you rename it. Please pull out your Magic 8-Ball. Yeah, and if it's Richard Crotty the name, I mean, let's name it Jerry Demings Parkway if you want. It's fine with me. But something's got to happen there. This is a short gap fix for the bigger problem. of moving east and west. By doing the Richard Crotty, you also get better access to Lake Pickett Road for the northern section of the grow and your citizens further to the east to Fort Christmas Road all the way out to Highway 50 towards the river. So I think, maybe not now, but I'd like to have a full understanding how that is moving along, if at all. because based on my review of all those documents, that really is the answer to bringing a real impact to this area as far as transportation, safety, and as you said, the cost of doing nothing matters. So I'd like to know what the plans are for that. Certainly. Certainly. we are working on the Richard Crotty Parkway. It's from west to east. In fact, we had to shorten the segment that we were working on originally due to funding. We just, either have just purchased or in the process of purchasing a large piece of property that gets us up to hanging moss from 436. We have to make that transition through a property, the Jennings property. We've made that happen. The design keeps getting updated. The longer you string things out, but essentially we're working off the design plans to acquire right-of-way. And as funding is available, then we continue to do that. So as of right now, it's from 436 to Golden Road is what we're working on. There are a number of obstacles, and you mentioned one of them is Research Park. Those are private roadways. And there's some sensitivity militarily with a road like that going through there. There's been some other things. The Verge Apartments had landed right there where we needed to connect to Alfea Trail. We have not done a detailed study beyond Dean Road. There would be a need to do a more detailed study to take it further to the east. We have our own political positions as well that we're dealing with on that roadway. So that roadway is littered with landmines here and there, but we are actually working on that in earnest. And we're going to... It's a very important road from a network standpoint. Any new road is going to be very, very important. And from a network standpoint, McCulloch and Richard Crotty are needed. Sure. So thank you for that. And back as far back as 2010, there was conversation by the then-mayor about this possibility of exactly what you were pointing out starting to the west and moving east. There was discussion about looking at coming from the east moving west because, in fact, what was happening in and around UCF and trying to maybe leapfrog or jump that ahead because of all the movement that was happening over there. Is that something that still you are contemplating or is that just we put that on the back burner and we're still going west to east? We're still focused on west to east. We did do a regional study in that area. It's called NELA-CATS. Yep. I understand. It has a lot of intersection improvements that just kind of helps us along. Right. And those are now being integrated into our capital program as well everywhere we can. certainly open if there's proposals that we can manage that way and do it in segments. You can't do it all in one term anymore. Sure, of course. So it may make sense maybe coming in at both ways. Right. But, again, we have some obstacles and more and more discussions with our board in order to do something like that. Right. Thank you. I would just ask that our staff stay engaged as you move along. This area is a very sensitive area for wildlife. We've got park lands that are in close proximity to this. Of course, our rural boundary. You have the rural boundary now in Orange County which is a concern to those citizens on their eastern side of their county. So I really think we need to clearly understand where we go from here on all of these things. So maybe there's a work session update you can give us at some juncture from the staff. I'd appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Before we go to public comment, Commissioner Constantine. Well, I just wanted to say that my fellow colleagues did a great job in articulating all of our concerns. We have fought very hard to maintain and protect that area. And we think that having a bridge, another bridge, go over econ is problematic, extremely problematic. So I'll just say ditto to what Commissioner and Commissioner Delorey said. Yes, we've heard the thunder on that. For sure. Welcome, Commissioner Hurd. Thank you. Is there anyone here who would like to make public comment on this item? No, ma'am. Yes, there is. I saw a yellow sheet flashing in the background. Is he sneaking that in instead of doing what we're supposed to do? No, that's all right. We're going to let it go. That's all right. We're happy to have you and happy to take your comment. You know the name and address. You won't be when I get done. Oh, boy. All right. Bring it on. My name is Bill Hyde. I'm at 2379 Audley Street in Oviedo. I'll give you this in 30 seconds. I can't imagine why in the wild, wild world of sports y'all would entertain anything to benefit Orange County's proposal here because the numbers just said only 15% of the traffic is Seminole County traffic. So 85% of the traffic is Orange County. 100% of the benefit is to Orange County. Why are we even having this discussion? Just say no. This is it. This is easy. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hyde. Ms. Ellori, would you like to address any of those, that comment or Mr. Gray, of why Seminole County would entertain this? So I would say, Tanya Ellori, I forgot to introduce myself, sorry, the last, Public Works Director. As Commissioner DeLaurie said, this has been on our long MTP, our transportation plan, our 2045. We are updating that plan for 2050. and it is on that plan in terms of the numbers, the traffic. So it remains a part of our long-term identified needs for this county. I think that in terms of benefits to Seminole County, while we may not only have 15, quote, percent of the traffic, as our residents utilize this road, they're stuck in the traffic from either visitors or residents of Orange County. So I think the need is there because of the traffic forecasts. Now this is, of course, just a PD&E, what Orange County calls as an RCA. As we move through and as Orange County moves through the design, we will be in lockstep with that. So we can continue to provide updates to you all on your concerns, such as the floodplain compensation, such as any visualization issues for our residents. So I think it's good that we are so closely in conversation with Orange County so that we can keep up with all of the benefits and the potential impacts. Madam Chair, just for the record, Donnie, we're not asking for action at this time, correct? There's no action. It's just for informational purposes only? Yes. This was a follow-up to the letter that Chairman Hurst sent to Orange County asking for Orange County to come to this board to provide information. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to point out and get on the record for the benefit of all, the long-range transportation plan is a living document. Yes. It can be changed at any time as we look down the road. Based on the data, yes. And what this board and what the board in Orange County may find most important, funding, impacts to the community, all those things. So I want to make sure everybody understands as a living document, things often come in and off the long-range transportation plan. It's not always engraved in stone. Those things can change based on what happens in the community, what development happens in certain regions, and the impacts of all that. As well as what gets funded. Correct. Because there's lots of needs in Seminole County and that is the decision of this board to decide. Right. Thank you. So just for clarification, while there had been discussion about a resolution that is not on our agenda today, this is purely for our edification and continued collaboration with Orange County. That's correct. Okay, fantastic. Thank you so much. Any other questions or comments, Commissioner Hur? I know you're just sliding in. I got nothing. But thank you, Orange County, for being here. Thank you for indulging us and we look forward to further cooperation. So we are going to take about a 10-minute recess and then we'll come back and we'll pick up with item number 16, which is our employee benefits and wellness update and I will hand over the gavel to Commissioner Hurt. Great. Thank you. Proceed. We're going to reconvene, aren't we? It only takes 10 years. All right. We are ready to reconvene. I want to give a big thank you to Vice Chair Lockhart for stepping in this morning and for all of you for being patient with me. The next item on the agenda is the 2027 employee benefits and wellness update with Christina Brandolini, Human Resources Director, and Mr. Charles Cook from Alliant Employee Benefits. Good morning, Chairman and Commissioners, Christina Brandolini, Human Resources Director. This morning, I am here with Charles Cook and Leah Robleski from Alliant and we will be giving you our 2027 benefit and wellness update, which we do annually for you. This year, we're doing it a little earlier so that if there's anything that we need to do throughout the year, we have time to do that. Because it is a little early, the wellness program is in, we're in the, right in the middle of that. So anyone who's listening, come to our meetings. We have several meetings coming up in April and May. So if you would like assistance with your wellness. But I will turn it over to Charles who will give you the whole scoop. Thank you. Good morning, Chairman, Commissioners. This is showing on your screen and I want to be sure that... Charles, I think you're going to need to lower the microphone and give us your name for the record. My name is Charles Cook. I'm with Alliant. Insurance have been fortunate to be your benefits consultant for approximately four years now. And so I'm going to give you a lot of some information, update. I would encourage questions at any time. Interrupt me. I don't want to just shotgun this to you. And I want you to have the agenda. We're going to talk about... Purpose is like where are we now and what does the future look like. We're going to talk about medical and pharmacy, some underlying programs that you all have that have had a great benefit to you, wellness, and where we go from here. The first thing you have here is your spend since 2018 on medical and pharmacy. The first column is the year. The second is the total spend. The third is your average employee count. And then the net total reflects your spend net of stop-loss reimbursements, which is the insurance you have to protect against catastrophic claims. And then you have this per-employee per-month cost. And you can see that it is so stable from 2018 through 23, and then it skyrockets in 24, somewhat stable in 25. We've had briefings with each of you looking at the large claims, and essentially the number of large claimants has driven so much of this. We don't know exactly why this happened. We do know that we have seen this across our book of business. We are seeing challenging renewals in the fully insured market, extremely challenging renewals in the stop-loss area. I'm hoping this is some stability. We've spent time with Christina and Tim Jecks on what does this mean for next year, what kind of direction or changes do we need to make. I will say that looking as I became your consultant and saw this consistency, you all have the absolute best wellness program of any of our clients. It's kind of a benchmark that we have, somewhat plagiarized from your prior consultant, about the importance of having a relationship with a primary care physician, annual physicals, age-appropriate exams, and fortunately we're able to see more and more of these large claimants that were potentially preventable illnesses, or had they been caught much earlier, could have had much better treatment success. This is the best slide, so let's focus on this. This is the best slide. This is your stop-loss premium. For January 1 of 22, we were able to reduce your stop-loss premium for protection against individual large claims and a catastrophe significantly, and this shows you year over year those changes to where the increase from 25 to 26 was 11.14, but we're still 4% below where we were back in 21. So that's a win. And I will tell you, in the stop-loss market, there are a couple of provisions. One of them is typically you can have no more than a 50% increase in your stop-loss, and that's a nice thing to have. That's how I thought of it. I never thought we would need it. We had seven clients with 50% increases last year. The hardness of the stop-loss market is overwhelming. We were very happy with this success last year, and we are already in negotiation with the stop-loss carriers to understand their philosophy as we lead into the renewals for 1-127. Below that, your program does provide, based on your experience, to get some money back, and this shows you the money that you have gotten back. It shows the middle column is the amount and then when it was paid. So it's paid after the fact, after all the claims have been reported, 25 is pending, but I don't believe we'll have a reimbursement because 25 was a big year in the stop-loss. So I do have a question. Yes. That contemplates the same risk from 21 to 25. There was no increase in the spec deductible. There was no increase in what's called a specific deductible, which is the amount over which an individual's claims paid. You also have this thing called an aggregating specific. There's been no change in the terms. Fabulous. Last year we made some changes, some what I think are important changes, some minor plan design changes, but you offered a program where essentially you had a free option for any plan you wanted. And the top of this is the top's the actives, the bottom's the retirees, but look at the actives. Look at the high enrollment in the buy-up, the mid, the low plan's low, the high deductible health plan's even lower. We made an adjustment to where essentially you will fund the low plan, if you will, and then there's a cost buy-up for the other two plans. And exactly what we wanted to happen, happened. We had people move from the top two plans, so lower enrollment, an increase in the lower two plans. We structured this so that we would not be in a position, because your population's your population. Moving from the high to the low is not going to change that claimant's deal, and the deductible difference isn't that huge. But we structured it with Tim so that we would still collect appropriate funds from the employees through payroll deduction. So this was a step. Question? Yes. The other question I haven't met, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yes, go ahead. Charles, you and I've had this conversation, and I'm amazed on, there's got to be a way of showing people examples about how the, how deductible plan actually works financially for them, because there are times when people just have questions they can't get answered, because it's, they have to understand it from their paycheck perspective, and have an example of a fictitious individual or family really makes a big difference. And I think that if we did something like that, more people would entertain those. I agree 100%. This is very low enrollment in the HSA plan based on the structure. It's still surprising to me that different uptake at different organizations. For example, we just, we just got a new client who's a law firm. You would think their participation would be through the roof. It's one person. Like, so education, I want you to, education's a challenge. We offer on-site, virtual, every means possible to everybody at the county. We need engagement there. Well, I understand that, Charles, but I think that by allowing someone to look at how it would affect their paycheck, you know, for that year based on their past claims experience would go a long way. And we can, Leah Robleski is the account executive who makes everything happen, and we will enhance that education every year. Real examples, like if you give somebody a real example, they will see that this risk to them is not as great as it feels like. That's the point I'm trying to make, even though I'm not doing a good job. No, you made it perfectly. Thank you. So I just would like to point out that the, if you look at those numbers of us, port authority, supervisor of elections, and property appraiser that all sort of track, but the tax collector, 100% of them are in the buy-up, so I suspect there's a different employer contribution strategy at the tax collector's office, just raising awareness. And then I think one of the challenges that this organization has always had is, and Charles did it very subtly, engagement. So he can host all of the education sessions. I have stood at education sessions where I had years where we said, we're going to have everybody do it, made it mandatory, and you had unwilling participants and therefore disruptors in the room. We've had years where we said, come and go as you please, which then we have no attendees and a full staff sitting around for a full day waiting for people to stroll in. We have to encourage from the top-down engagement in understanding the financial commitment that this organization is making to employees with these benefits. You do not find benefits like this. I have no benefits like this on my entire book of business, and I bet you you don't either. They've been untouched for years. And I think we're spending a lot of money with very little appreciation for the program and very little knowledge of knowing that you could move into that high-deductible plan and maybe manage differently. I would also tell you don't have great expectations there because cash flow is not one of the things that we're great at in America. And so that limits people enrolling in those plans. And our plan is structured so that you can cash flow it, but it's still going to limit it. It's just an interesting phenomenon. But I, at some point, would like to understand the tax collector's employee contribution strategy. I'll research that. I do want to reiterate this education piece. You are, as an employer, spending a lot of money, and it is a tremendous benefit. And anything close to mandatory would be great. And, you know, we've worked with groups where we be sure we have a champion, for lack of a better word, in the room to drive engagement. So thank you for those comments. Okay, next up. I wanted to name this slide about the pharmaceutical benefit manager, Whack-A-Mole 7.0, but it was deemed inappropriate. But you just did. No, I said I wanted to. You should run for office. So this has been a challenge for years. Money is pushed down over here, hidden over here, pops up over here, and the whole game was about what discounts they gave you off average wholesale price and what rebates they gave you. That was kind of the game. It has evolved a lot to where a lot of what has been hidden has become unhidden. We are also dealing with a time where the terms transparency and pass-through evidently have different meanings to different people depending on the day of the week. So, Cigna was selected for 2023. We renegotiated the third year of that agreement to their great gnashing of teeth that saved you in the neighborhood of $750,000 between discount improvement and rebate improvement for 25. We then did an RFP last year and went to a number of pharmaceutical benefit managers and Cigna, to lose the pharmaceutical benefit, would raise your admin fee by over $100,000 and they will only integrate with certain PBMs. So we used the leverage to negotiate another, they say, $800. Our analysis was $450,000, $407,000. Now, Cigna says it's transparent. Cigna says it's pass-through. So, in front of Starbucks on Park Avenue, I ran into leadership and talked about, okay, the program you have now is called Cigna Cost Plus and the program that they do for larger groups is called Cigna Acquisition Cost Plus and I asked what the difference is and there was no answer to that difference. So, we have gotten you approved to have Acquisition Cost Plus, which would be theoretically better. I had a less than productive phone call with them yesterday about that, but there will be improvement. So, this market's moving and we will negotiate the best deal we have. There are options out there that we reviewed last year. There are options out there that were not part of the RFP last year, but I don't think any of the big three are where they need to be on a transparent basis. For example, another one, Big 3, their goal is to get to transparency by 2028. So, this is a tough area. You spend a lot of money here. We have a couple of programs that I'll talk about in a second, but are there any thoughts on this? You know, we did the RFP last year for PBM. We're here now. Commissioner, would you all like my thought on this before you speak or after you speak? You can speak first. So, this is, this is, let's define the big three. United, Cigna, Aetna, they all own PBMs. United's is Optum, Cigna's is Express Scripts, and Aetna's is CVS. Aetna's is probably the most transparent at this point. Prime Therapeutics, which purchased Magellan, Magellan was a transparent PBM purchased by Prime, Cigna does allow us to carve out and use Prime Therapeutics. The advantage to doing that, and Prime Therapeutics did not respond last year when it went out to market. The advantage to doing that is twofold. Number one, it is, first of all, the only one that Cigna will allow us to do, and that is through an exception basis. The school district carved out to Prime. I was late this morning because we were doing their information session, and the Prime carve-out has generated two years' worth of zero trend. We, now going into 27, are looking at 6% trend over the two, because we took a significant downplay in pharmacy spend. It was about $3 million, and $2 million of that was because they have the ability to connect to a program called Paid Health, and Paid Health seeks manufacturer's assistance for drugs, high-cost drugs, for members that qualify financially. That savings this year for the district was $2 million. Our population is roughly half of that, so there's probably a million dollars sitting there in that. I will tell you, and I'm telling my clients this, that I believe that that is a sole source purchasing opportunity, because it is the only vendor that our current TPA will allow us to carve out to, and furthermore, they offer paid health, which none of the big three will do. So it's the double whammy of that. My personal perspective is that that's the first step in reducing the cost, the trajectory of the cost for our plan for this year, meaning 1-1. In addition to that, Aetna also connects to Prime. I don't know about UnitedHealthcare, but UMR does connect to Prime. So you wouldn't have to move it again if you chose to RFP Cigna for next year. With that, I'll call on you, Bob. Thank you, Madam Chair. Charles, you mentioned your impromptu meeting in front of Starbucks, whatever day it was, and you asked the difference between these two programs. And somewhere in your explanation, you said, looking at it, they seem very similar, if not almost the same. So with that, how do you judge if we're having success, depending upon which one we go with, if they're both the same with different names? Okay. So the point I was making, and I'm sorry, my filter sometimes falls off because we're in a frustrating situation. But to me, cost plus is cost to Cigna plus an admin fee or something. So why would acquisition cost be different? What is that difference, right? And that is yet to be fully defined, but they say that's different. What Commissioner Hur is talking about is the big three, CBS, Express Scripts, Optum, kind of operate very similarly and don't have these other transparent levels or this other outreach. So that's how you see they're different. But last year, I don't know if we showed you the whole results from our RFP, but there was all kind of differences. There was a lot of savings in some, but they were very new and very small. You know, and we want to be cautious. The integration is very important because what that means, all of the co-pays and costs to the member, both on pharmacy and medical, need to accumulate to the same out-of-pocket, if you will. And that's what Cigna won't allow with these other ones. They will do that with Prime. And we also want all the medical information and all that shared, too. I hope I answered your question. Kind of. Okay. So Acquisition Plus is the most transparent of the contracts. Yes. You can see more of the fees in the Acquisition Plus than you can in the Cost Plus because cost is not what they purchased the drug for. Correct. And then on the other, they're not all necessarily doing it on all channels of distribution. So whether it's mail order, retail, or specialty pharmacy, some of those channels won't necessarily be full pass-through. And this is, it's changing. It's changing because of regulation. It's also changing because of fiduciary responsibilities. I would remind us that we have a fiduciary responsibility to manage the plan as cost-effectively as we can on behalf of the members. There have been lawsuits about this. So I think we need to take action sooner rather than later. We want to get to an environment where it is the cost of the drug is the cost of the drug, and there's a fee per drug or per member, and it's all very clear to you. And we're not chasing rebates, but we're maximizing them. We're as close to that as possible. Commissioner Zimbauer, you had your hand up earlier. No, that answered all I needed to have answered so far. Back to you. So that's the state of the pharmacy. Medical carrier, you went with Cigna 1-1 of 23. It has, I think, been, it has gone well. Nobody's perfect. No carrier's perfect. They all have the challenge. They all have their own challenges. We went into that evaluation in 22, I believe, with a committee that thought that, you know, Florida Blue would probably perform well. And actually, in that scenario, which was now four years old, they finished fourth with Cigna 1, United 2, Aetna 3. What's different today? Well, we wouldn't know for sure unless we did an RFP. But what is uniquely different right now is that Aetna has an accountable care organization, risk share arrangement deal with Orlando Health. And while everybody has a version of that to some extent, theirs has been around for a long time. They are close to par on discounts with, let's say, Advent. Maybe not quite where some of the others are, but they are well better than par on the Orlando Health. They just won City of Orlando, which puts them to a second big account in this market. So that would be something that I know is unique if we go to RFP in the future. We would go through all the different carriers. The TPAs, third-party administrator, would be not a carrier, but Aetna owns Maritain. United owns UMR. There are other TPAs. I have always been an under-one-bucket person in terms of stop-loss pharmacy and medical. That world has evolved greatly. We have most of our self-funded accounts are carved out for stop-loss. We have more and more accounts carved out for pharmacy. It's just the way to get the best deal under each situation and not have to shop the whole deal because of one problem. So I guess I think we'll get to recommendations, but this is the state of the land, if you will, right now. You have some very forward-thinking things. You have prescription care management that it shows you your prescription costs at the top. But at the bottom, there have been 635 interventions and a per-member per-month savings of $2.40. This is changing prescriptions to a more appropriate or more cost-effective drug. This has been successful. Again, we have taken this idea and implemented it with other clients. The second program we have is Goldfinch. This is a program to prevent opioid use, and it begins. Cigna provides a file feed twice a month. Elective surgeries are there. People are identified. If they're eligible and elect, we had 45% engagement. We're, I think, about the same for 26. This is through 25. The return on investment for every dollar spends $2.20. Average return to work is 9.3 days. So we've had 37 days saved. 40% of members didn't use opioids at all. And then of the prescriptions filled, only 3% of the pills were used. This is a self-reported statistic. So, you know, you have to see it for what it is. But this has been successful, too. We've also implemented this with other clients. So we have things that we are doing. This may not be relevant today, but it was a lot of discussion last year on a clinic. Clinics have evolved a lot over the years. There are options. The option on the left, you could pay a vendor to build you a clinic and pay X amount per member per month. For that to function, whether the member goes or not, that's a form of what's called capitation. And Seminole County Schools has a clinic down in Longwood that you could potentially piggyback on. One of our clients, who's a Seminole County-based True Health, has actually been working to open a clinic at one of our clients and has done on-site physicals for other clients. So we are building that partnership, and they're in-network. So ideally, you're all spread out, but if we could do some form of clinic, we could do that. There are just multiple ways to do that. We have not done an RFP on that specifically. Commissioners, would you like to provide input on that at this point or have Charles continue on? Can I ask? Yes. I've got a question for Charles. So you stopped on this slide, you've made several statements, and then there was the pause. Are you suggesting we should be looking at clinics at this time or just for informational purposes only? I think this is informational based on briefings and discussions that I've had. Okay. And I wanted to share with you the partnership with True Health that is, like, really kind of a great thing for our clients. True Health, while it serves underinsured, uninsured, all of that, they are great clinics, and our clients who have chosen to use them as primary care physicians have been very happy. And so I'm saying, as we look to the future, this is a way to help everybody have a primary care physician. But as we'll get to the wellness, you have 90% participation. So people either have a primary care physician or are going somewhere to get that physical and blood work to be part of the wellness program. So question with regard to True Health. If we investigated the opportunity with True Health, would that, for anyone that uses the program and through telehealth, anyone that would use the telehealth portion of the program, because he's laughing because he already knows where I'm going, can I get 340B pricing on pharmacy? We are negotiating that now, and I'm not sure we'll get 340B, but it would be great if we got 340B+, which would still be better than non-340B. So what, Commissioner Hurst? 340B plus an administrative fee. So still transparent, because I'm not transferring the pharmacy problem now to the clinic. Right. So these entities called federally qualified health clinics get what's called 340B drug pricing, which can be literally 1% or 2% of the drug cost. For the expensive drugs, it can be 40% or 50%. So what we have not negotiated yet for our self-funded clients is 340B pricing plus. We haven't negotiated. We are working on that. You. Yes. Commissioner. So asking, you know, if we're interested in an RFP and going out, which I think is what you're asking, or pursuing, or, like, I don't know what the next step would be if it's not that. But I think any time we make changes, we're asking people to change behaviors and change relationships. Not any time. A lot of the time. We just talked about the fact that we still have a vast number of people on the high-end health plan because it's probably what they know, and they're willing to pay more just in order to keep with what they know and keep doing what they know and are comfortable doing, and that there's a risk in changing and learning something new, moving to the high-deductible plan. And so every time we talk about changing something, even if it may be better for the plan and better for the plan participants to do something like a true health clinic model or the Orlando Health piggyback with the school district model, you are anticipating that people are going to utilize it. So you're either going to force them to utilize it or you're going to incentivize them to utilize it, but you're going to have to do something to make the behavior change. And I think that is as much something that I would be curious about how you would plan to do that before I would ever say, yes, please go look at it. Because to me, in order for any of the math to work and there to be a return on that investment, you have to have willing participants. And so I'd love to know what that would look like before we would make any changes. Commissioner Blari? I'd like to follow up with that, if I may. Thank you, Madam Chair. So there's other clinics out there as well. Guidewell is another one. But there are some clinics that are out there associated with certain hospitals and certain health care institutions. Right. And so I'd want to understand that as well. So if – and I agree with Commissioner Lockhart by, you know, is this the right time to put it out to bid? I don't think it is just yet. We need to understand the educational standpoint because I think that's just as important. But I want to also know the lay of the land about how the different relationships work on the health care side because there are relationships and they're going to give you different prices depending upon who you've put on that team or who's in that team because they're all going to feed each other. Yes, there are. The carriers have – there are tons of urgent care centers, right? And some of that game is they may or may not be owned by hospitals. They may be standalone. They may look standalone. So those are not primary care. Our view of this would be to expand access to primary care and facilitate primary care physician relationships. We would typically have an incentive like a lower copay or something like that. But so it's an enhancement. I just kind of wanted to give you an update because with different briefings, we've kind of talked about it, you know, what's here. So, no, I don't even know you need to do an ARC. Like we could explore partnerships. But we're trying to maximize access to care. That's the goal. So are you trying to – are you hinting around the access to care about having an on-site clinic so people can actually get quicker, better care on a regular basis instead of going to the primary care physician? I believe everybody should have a primary care physician. Okay. So the clinic would be to serve that, not to be another urgent care only. That's what I'm asking. Yes. They would have to be able to serve that. I'm not a fan of telehealth being able to do your physical. That's just me. But I'm kind of hardlining. I mean, that is the only way that somebody is going to be aware of what their health status is and get the exams they need. But I, too, have gone to center care to get a physical to meet my wellness program years ago and never saw the doctor again. I apologize. So you're just as guilty? Not anymore. It's cozy old. Were you raising your hand? No, no, no. I'll preserve mine until the presentation is complete. Mr. Lockhart. Well, I think, and we talked about this a little bit, if there is a way before we pull the trigger and the pain points that an RFP creates, not just for this organization and our staff time and effort, but for the responders who spend a lot of time and money responding to RFPs, if there is a way to do some type of a preliminary disruption report of if we were to move to this, we would have, you know, only 50% of the current utilization of primary care physicians are on this new plan. So that we have an idea of how many employees we would be impacting and what the disruption would be to our employee base before even going out. Is that a possibility or is that? Absolutely. We can give you benchmark admin fee pricing. We can give you network overlap about disruption. We can get to some semblance of discount parity with the different hospital systems. And for self-funded clients who have not shopped for years, that has been how we have moved the needle with the incumbent when needed. So I'm not suggesting an RFP. It is a huge we do it. I get a little excited about it, but it is a big deal. And as I may have briefed with some of you, when you do it, we want to show tremendous respect to the responders in terms of interviewing and taking it seriously because we don't know when one of them will be our partner in the future. But you've got to balance disruption and cost. And I think there are things that can be done now to achieve cost reduction without disruption. I would like to see that before I would support pulling the trigger on making a firm indication of movement. Okay. And we will do that, and I'll work with Christina. I'm just one person. Don't do it just for me. There may be others who I might be on the losing end of that opinion. But that's just my opinion. And so I think we just mixed apples and oranges, though. So I think that's with relationship to TPA or PBM. I think the clinic discussion is not a disruptor. It's an additional benefit because you don't have to use the clinic ever. We would not. I would not support that. And so from the clinic perspective, I think what we need is a better education as to the models out there. This is the start of it. But there are pay-to-play models that are offered by hospital systems. There are no pay, and they file claims offered by hospital systems. The true health opportunity is wildly interesting. And then there's all sorts of other things popping up out there. I don't necessarily know that they move the needle in terms of cost to the plan. I really don't. But they do create an access point that's important, and they do ideally give a benefit to employees that's very worthwhile. I would point out that they're not. Well, let me be clear. I wasn't confusing them. So I wasn't suggesting that the RFP that we should – I wasn't referring to the PBM. I was referring to the Cigna conversation. TPA. Yeah, which is the third-party administration of the matter. Yeah, but not – yeah. So I just – I don't want to – I don't – I want to make sure that what I said was what I said and not have it be misinterpreted if it was misinterpreted. So I believe that the TPA, Cigna, whatever, whoever it is that we're – if we're talking about looking at Aetna or some other group, which was on a prior slide, I would like to see what the disruption is for that. The pharmacy benefit thing, I don't see as much of a disruption. That's a – to me, that is a – that's a drug. Where do I get my drugs from? That's not who do I trust for my primary care. I do believe that what you're talking about with trying to migrate employees to primary care at a True Health or some other type of clinic that's not an emergency, you know, minor emergency clinic, I do think that you're trying to migrate people to that, and that is a change. I'm just – that's the change that I'm talking about. Okay. I view the Aetna, TPA, United – that bucket with medical and the network and the discounts, that's a bucket. The pharmacy is a bucket. I don't even envision migrating people to the clinic. It's an access point. I'm worried about the people that don't have a good primary care physician relationship or may have challenges accessing and could access from work. So it's an enhancement only in my view. Okay. Then I completely understood your answer to Commissioner Dilawri, because I thought you were saying that you wouldn't be standing up the clinic in order for it to be – Urgent. Urgent care. Right. That you were doing it for people to have access to a primary care physician. It would kind of be both. Like I want – the primary thing would be it would be a primary care physician access point. It would serve where people may need to go for something that's semi-urgent, but you don't go to CentraCare for your primary care physician. It's kind of how I'm viewing it. So I do think there was confusion in that. That was the confusion I was trying to end. Okay. I apologize. The separation for – so you can do a disruption report on a PBM. It is really not necessary because there's pharmacies – That wasn't what I was asking for at all. But that's – I'm agreeing with you. Okay. I'm agreeing with you. With regard to the Aetna discussion, a disruption report – I actually have it written down that we should be asking for that ahead of time, including a savings projection, including a claims reprice that they do, would be a good idea because we would need to have some indication as to what the value of this would be, but with regard to the clinic, it is in addition to typically zero copay, and we cannot purchase a model whereby we're spending – other governments that I am well aware of – spend a million dollars on the clinic, and then the behavior is to try to drive people in there to justify the million dollars. That is not a good system, and so it has to be stood up in a way – and there's a couple options out there, I think, already that would do that – that doesn't necessitate disruption. It's incented behavior that if that's a good place to receive primary care for you, then you go. But it's not a disruption because your primary care physician didn't come out of the network. It just has to make sense from a cost perspective, which is the difficult part. I just want to know how bad we're going to be screwing up people's world. I've got it. That's all I want to know. I've got the network disruption, and I've added – because I would want to know – I would want to give you the price different – I would give you discount different – I'd want to give you a lot of information, but the network disruption, the member disruption is huge. Commissioner – I'm sorry. Go ahead. Commissioner Zimbauer. No, I think – I think I've tracked it. I'm good. A lot of conversation, and I'm not so sure everybody's still on the same page, but I've pulled enough nuggets out of it. I understand what Commissioner Lockhart's indicating. I'll reserve mine to the end. Thank you. I want to expand a little bit on something Commissioner Hurst said about that you pay a lot of money for a clinic and then you try to get people to use it. I'm a spreadsheet guy. You know, I live in a little world of Excel spreadsheets. And for the proposed clinic model where you pay a per member per month charge, I've done multiple evaluations looking at all you would get for that per member per month charge compared to what was actually spent for all those things under the current program. And to this day, I've not found one that it costs more to spend it the way it is now. That's just – and salespeople don't always like it when I say that, but, I mean, make the numbers work. I'm not going to advise you to spend money something you shouldn't. Okay, this I thought would be the shortest slide, but it was a longer slide. So your wellness program, again, you have a great wellness program. I don't – I would love it if people loved it, but wellness is not about being happy. Wellness is about getting people to take care of themselves. So your program, they have to have an annual physical – hopefully they're happy too – annual physical and labs. And those are the entry, and then you have multiple other options with Cigna that you can get a total of five points. And if you get that by the date, 7-31-26, you're all set for the 27 plan year. We're at 90% participation. There are all kind of ways to get your points. This – carriers have their own wellness portals, if you will. Yours is called Motivate Me. Motivate Me, that we've educated everybody about, has been sunsetted, and we've got now our kind of second exception to keep it. So if there's any RFPs in the future, I would be a proponent of having a wellness vendor portal, everything, that is agnostic to whatever carrier you have. That's just my opinion because at some point in the next year, we're going to have to re-educate everybody about a different Cigna program, about how they access and get points and stuff like that, FYI. But this is mainly to say you have a great program. These are all the communications from human resources out to people. I know people don't always read everything, but we do everything possible to be sure people understand what they need to do in advance. We help them access doctors if they need to. I'm a proponent of your wellness program, and we just want to enhance it as we look at this, just enhancing, like, a culture. It would be great if we had a culture where this was a topic people talked about, and, you know, they were excited to participate in things, and they have been. It's very interesting. I think there was a – there have been a couple of different nights that wouldn't be wellness per se, but they were part of the wellness program, and there was high engagement of people coming together. They knew it was wellness. They learned some things. So we have a three-year strategy on that, and from a recommendation standpoint, back to the RFP. An RFP for something like Cigna, the administrator, would start in February of 27 for a decision by June by you all for 1-1-28. So that would be – and then there's the evaluation we can do before to see if you even want to do it, okay? And then the PBM, we would – if you – we can do a PBM RFP. We would do them separately. That would be the normal timeframe. It's not undoable to go another route for 1-1-27 on the PBM part. So I think we are asking for a recommendation on what to do in these two areas, and it doesn't have to be – I'm not asking today – we want to – tell me what we want to do on RFP for medical and 27 for 28. I'm not asking for that. It sounds like I've been asked to provide more information to staff on that. And then kind of where are you on the PBM? Commissioner Zimbauer? Yes, please. Can we go to slide three, please? So my question is, if we go to – let's take the 2018 numbers and the 2025 numbers, and you take the 1242 in 2018 net per employee per month, and cumulative in those years is about 28% cost of living increases. You get $1,600 in 2025. If you apply the 28%, it comes to $1,589. So I'm not so sure that the cost increase has been that exponential as indicated initially. So my question really is, is if I take the 2025 numbers, 2018 numbers, the one that really stands out to me that I'd like an answer on is the net total of stop-loss reimbursements is far different than the cost of living increase between those years as compared to the net employee cost. Why? I would have to look back and see the stop-loss reimbursements in each year to isolate that difference. There would be a number of large claimants. I never like to see the jump from 2014 to 2023 to 2024. I can divide back over the number of years, and it definitely – you're ahead of the game, if you will. But these last two years have concerned me. Several commissioners I've met with. Mr. Chex over here. The – so I will research what was behind the stop-loss reimbursements in those years. I don't think I understood the question. So we're – if we look at 2018 – I'm going to do very rough math. We got $1 million of stop-loss reimbursements because the $21 million is net – it's the difference between the 22 and the 21. I'm looking at $28 to $25, 2018 to 2025. The $21 million to $31 million? Yes. Okay. And so the reason it's broken down on a per-employee per month is you've grown from $14.59 to $16.26. So I want to look at what has that been on a per-employee basis. That's the part that's not in the slide. Well, it's – you can't – you can't go from $21 million to $31 million because your starting point also went from $22 million, the total, up to $32 million. So your exposure got bigger. That's the increase in cost over the years. So that's the gross amount that was paid out in claims that year. And there were reimbursements from stop-loss. And if you look at the difference, we're getting about $1 million a year back in stop-loss. Some years it's half a million. Very rough math. So the stop-loss reimbursements have – and we haven't changed our deductible for a long time. I think we did when we did the RFP, but not for a long time. Stop-loss reimbursements have stayed pretty consistent. What's not consistent is that it's the underlying risk that is continuing to go up. And part of that is unit cost – hospitals, doctors, et cetera, charging more, drugs going up considerably, technology, new programs coming onto the market. We're now doing hip replacement surgeries at a rate that we never thought possible. We're now curing obesity through drugs that we didn't – our plan doesn't cover that, by the way, but they're now used for diabetes. All of those things that are happening within the stop-loss market – within the non-stop-loss market. The reason the stop-loss market has gone crazy is because we're now curing genetic disorders through drugs that never existed before. It's amazing. I understand what you're saying, but the growth is not 28%, which is the cost of living increase from 2018 to 2025, like it is in the net per employee per month cost, which has grown 28%. Because the underlying risk has gone up. The stop-loss isn't protecting you from the stuff that the stop-loss doesn't cover. Okay. That's why we have to look at options. You nailed it. Right. All right. Ten. Slide ten, if you would. So this is – I understand what was indicated here. This is a good return on investment, et cetera, et cetera. What is this program costing us, and how have we compared it to not having a plan at all and what that looks like? The cost of the plan is funded through Cigna Wellness Dollars. So Cigna gives you several buckets of money, and they pay the cost of the program, so it's no money out of your pockets out of that bucket. Understand. But compared to not doing this, what are the stats? If you didn't – In other words, how do we know that our employees would not be doing this themselves anyway when it comes to opioids? I don't – I don't think – I don't know that answer. Sure. And so the statistic, like, really would be what is the opioid use generally? Right. You know, how many – what percentage use them at all? And if there's a way to find out, what percentage of the actual prescription do they use? And that sort of drills down to my question, which is we're making a statement, this is a good return on investment, but yet we don't know what the activity or behavior of our people would be otherwise. Right. So – That's the biggest question I had on that. So I – this – I actually have used this program, so I'm going to use myself as the example. Did you say use or abuse? I used the program. Okay. There's no reason to abuse the program. The surgical protocol matters when you're trying to do an opioid-free experience or a narcotics-free experience. The way you prep for the surgery matters. A patient would never know to do the different prep than to do the prep that's recommended by them. Your doctors tell you no food or drink 24 hours ahead of time. This program educates you otherwise. And there's also a different level of pain treatment that happens for the surgery, during the surgery, and a different type of surgery that can take place. In my instance, I went to two surgeons, and I know how to navigate the health care system, and they would not have done the surgery the way it was done. They would not have given me this pain protocol. I drove past five hospitals to get to the hospital where the surgeon did it, and I was back at work the next day. Five very small incisions in my belly, a gallbladder removed, and took Tylenol and NSAIDs. I would never have known to do that, and the providers are not telling you how to do that. So that is, I don't think patients could figure this out. I will research what the underlying norm is. Anecdotally, the underlying norm is you get a big bottle of pills and hopefully have enough forethought to not take them or get addicted. And just in my career, I've seen people that I never would have thought would have struggled with that, leadership people. You don't know how it's going to affect you. So I'm anecdotally a believer, but go ahead, Commissioner. Sorry. Yes. So I think I would like to see numbers put to percentages. That would be helpful because I would like to know how many people, how many lives are being asked, are being given the opportunity to participate. How many are, I see the engagement rate's 45%, but like what number is that? If you have it, if you don't. I do. So I want to be sure what year we're talking about. Bear with me one second. So 25 and 26, there were 59 opportunities, 27 engaged. So that's the 40-something percent. That's over two years. The first chart is 45%, and I would have to scroll through my email to get the exact numbers. So there are people identified who are eligible. Some people aren't eligible. So the 59 or the 59 that were identified and reached out to, and of those 59, 27 were eligible or 27 actually engaged? Engaged. 27 engaged. And then how, so even though it's money out of wellness, how much did that cost? It's about $1,000. $1,000 per person. So we paid, so it was the, it'd be on the 27, not on the 59? $27,000. Correct. Okay. And the reason I further ask that question is there has been, as we all know, a huge spotlight shined on opiates and the use of them and surgical interventions and follow-up treatments and so forth. To the point that you look at a lot of studies now, a large majority of medical providers are not providing those type of medications. And if they are, it's a two- or three-day supply with no refills following unless you come back in for, you know, another valuation. And it's the reason I ask that, whether it's money well spent. So the number's $27,000. Is that $27,000 better spent somewhere else? Those wellness dollars. And I don't know the answer to that question ultimately. But to getting to, I think Commissioner Lockhart's statement of the disruption to our employees, you know, some of the things I think we're going to continue to struggle with as we see primary care providers and sole practitioners in smaller practices now being absorbed into major medical hospital systems and other medical operations. There's always a disruption, to some extent, going from your primary care, who may have done things a certain way in their own practice, but now they're operating under the arches of another operation, which may have different rules and protocol and so forth that they're going to follow. Or, like many of them have decided, they just get out of the business. They're no longer practicing medicine, and that's unfortunate. So I think there's going to be a continued disruption there. But at the end of the day, for what you're asking for, I would like to see some numbers, further information, before we ever decide to go out to an RFP. I think we've got a lot of groundwork to do. I'd like to see a lot of numbers for me to make decisions on what that could look like. Commissioner, I want to thank you for bringing up that point of the primary care physician being purchased by the hospital systems. That is an underlying reason for the clinic discussion and the True Health Partnerships, because from what we are seeing, there is no easy transition for existing patients and even harder access for people who don't have a doctor. Thank you. Should I have said that before? I'm now on my third, because I won't go to the corporate folks, but that's a whole other story. Any other comments, commissioners? Yes, Commissioner, Commissioner Constantine. Go ahead. No, you. I'm just going to say that I learned a long time ago that there are some things that you just don't know as well as others. And so the conversation today was wonderful, but I think that, and I'm glad all of you brought it up, and I understand that, Commissioner Hurd, this is where you've been all your life, and there are certain things that I do all my life that I hope you all listen to me as much as I'm listening to you right now. And all I'm going to say is the recommendation is basically getting the county manager to bring back recommendations, so I'm more than happy to do that. I'm not making the motion if others have something to say, and I don't even know if we need a motion. We just have a consensus, but thank you very much, all of you, for this, because you've all brought up great points, but I think that this is just preliminary, and clearly we have a good program. But we also have to be cognizant of the increased costs and everything, and therefore I'm looking to our, and you hate to say this in medical, but I'm looking to our budget people to come back with some good ideas where that balance comes together. That's it. I was just reflecting back on the discussion about the fact that Cigna is only, the integration for the pharmacy benefit is only with, what was it, started with an A. They're the big three plus prime. Oh, plus prime. Yeah. Okay, so they will integrate with all of the – With Atenas. Got it. Or Unites. Okay, all I heard was the prime. Okay, got it. Thank you. I do have one other question, maybe, along when staff brings us information. I'm not against understanding if there are some benefit and costs to a multi-year scenario with a cap of increase each year, say over a three- to five-year period of time, if that even exists. I don't know the answer to that. I would say based on the provider or the service provider would be based on what their actually revenue is off of that client and what it looks like the growth could be over three to five years. Because this – to Commissioner Lockhart's point, this is always a disruptive issue with our staff. When you change medical providers, it's getting used to the new system. They do things slightly different. Claims are handled a little bit different. You're not accustomed to this. So there's a whole learning curve. Prescriptions cost different. Right. It's a whole thing. So when staff brings it back, I'd like to understand if there is – if it even exists – a multi-year with a maximum increase year-to-year deal. Do you want me to cut to the chase on that? Are you waiting for me to say? I know what you're going to tell me. I think I was just asking for that. Yeah. What the industry's doing. Yeah. It's an administrative fee guarantee and where our costs lie is in our utilization of the plan and the claims. Understood. Yeah. I'm sure. Yes. Charles, Commissioner Zimbauer hinted about something about, you know, primary care or doctors being a part of larger groups and hospitals. And that's a big issue. And what I've come to learn is that, you know, when they start billing with, you know, RVUs, that's a whole other aspect of it. And, you know, you really want the patient time with the doc. And some of them are just basically, you know, I may get some phone calls, but, you know, it's all about the RVUs. You know, how much can they bill? And there's an issue there. And that's the whole industry. That's what this is all about. There are many, many, many challenges. I understand that. And I'm not trying to tell you to reinvent the system because it's impossible. But, you know, then it's private equity firms that are jumping in. I mean, it just, there's a whole, we could talk about this for days. Yes, we could. I'm just being honest about it. No, it's true. A day doesn't go by. They don't have a private equity conversation in some industry. Correct. I'm just, I mean, that's the bottom line. How much can they bill? Any other comments? Well, we do have an old hospital building here that. I'm going to stop you there. Well, we also have a morgue in it, so let's not go down that route. Let's not go down that path. So I think what we heard was that we want to see the potential disruption in addition to potential cost with the approaches that you shared. I'm going to add to that that I think in this year's budgeting session, we have historically had benefits kind of buried up under a bucket of funds, and it needs to come to light. Because those numbers are significant increases. And that may actually call out to us at least acknowledgement of where we are versus where we're going and what action needs to be taken. And with that, I'll look to you, County Manager. Do you think you have enough direction from this discussion? Yeah, I know Charles has taken great notes and Christina, so we'll circle back, and then we'll follow back up with the board. And that, what my plan was around the budget work session time, to really talk about this budget. I mean, the medical benefits fund that we have, we've already been working on that now with Mr. Jack. So that, too, will be coming up in a couple months. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you very much for the presentation. Thank you. Thanks for indulging us. It's always a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Is it really, though? I think we pay him to say that. I was waiting to see if this filter had gone. You used to say that, so yes. I lied, too. I lied, too. I lied, too. You lied with the best of us. Yep. All right. Next up is the extension of the Seminole County City of Sanford Joint Planning Agreement, JPA, and this is going to be presented by Tricia Johnson. Thank you, Madam Chairman, Commissioners. Today, we're here to talk about the extension of the county City of Sanford JPA, our agenda today, purpose, background, coordination and status, feedback, and next steps. The team really working on this has been Mike Rhodes, Dagmarie, and Naysa, and so I may call on them if we have any specific or technical questions. So the purpose of today's presentation is really to provide an overview on the county's JPA with the City of Sanford, our status and coordination, summarize some potential priority focus areas, outline next steps, and requested board action. So the original JPA was executed on October 15, 2015, and was amended in 2018. The purpose is really to coordinate planning efforts, particularly land use, annexation, and infrastructure service delivery within the joint planning area. The JPA expired in October 2025, which is why we are here today. Staff from the county and the City of Sanford restarted coordination meetings in January. We agreed on an extension-first approach to present to our respective commissions, meaning a short-term extension with an additional six-month option while we work on a new agreement. The key topic areas identified include annexation, infrastructure coordination, enclave strategies, and the East Lake Mary Boulevard corridor. In March, as you know, we briefed each of you to receive your feedback. In your packet behind the PowerPoint slides is a two-page document that provides an overview of the feedback we received during those meetings. I will go over it a bit here, but it is more detailed in your packet. Based on those individual briefings, there's general support for a short-term extension. That looks like six months in the agreement that is part of the board book, and then a six-month extension is also an option. But really what we heard from you is that support is tied to continued progress and a clear path forward with a new agreement. You also emphasized several priority-focused areas for an updated agreement, including infrastructure and maintenance. There was a strong emphasis on clearly defining responsibilities, particularly roadway ownership and maintenance, stormwater systems, and coordination of utilities. There was also an interest in addressing emergency management coordination and establishing fair cost-sharing approaches between the county and the city. Regarding utilities and capacity, the importance of long-term planning was expressed for water supply, sewer capacity, and overall system reliability, including considerations around water quality and future demand. Regarding annexation and enclaves, there was a desire for a more coordinated and strategic approach, particularly around how enclaves are addressed and how annexation decisions are sequenced to avoid fragmentation and service inefficiencies. Regarding the East Lake Mary Boulevard corridor, commissioners emphasized the need to align on roadway capacity, access management, and land use compatibility, given the growth pressures and the importance of that corridor. There was also an interest in ensuring stronger coordination with the airport authority, including issues related to land use compatibility, required disclosures, and mitigation of potential impacts. Land use considerations, the importance of addressing county-owned properties, opportunities for affordable housing, and ensuring that the community input remains part of the planning process. And finally, on process and structure, there's a strong emphasis on having a clear timeline, a phased and outcome-driven approach, and maintaining flexibility, potentially using separate agreements when appropriate to address specific issues. With respect to next steps, we will continue with ongoing coordination meetings with the city if we move forward with the short-term extension of the JPA today. Our next meeting is April 21st. We'll talk about the scope and structure of the updated JPA based on your direction. This includes coordinating policy language, red lines, and supporting technical materials. The short-term extension will allow our team to maintain continuity while we work through a phased approach toward a comprehensive update. And, of course, we will provide the county manager and this board with ongoing updates throughout the process. So our requested action of you today is twofold. First, approve a second amendment to extend the JPA to October 15, 2026, allowing then for an additional six-month administrative extension if necessary. Second bullet really is related to that list that we provided in your packet. If there's anything that we missed in your briefings, we want to make sure that we add that information so that we can bring it back to the city of Sanford to begin our discussions. And with that, our team is available for questions. Commissioners? Questions? I think the briefings have been incredibly helpful. We've been able to give feedback, receive input from staff, kind of have an idea of where things are in terms of working with the city of Sanford. Thank you, as always, for working with our partners. I think there are three of us on the board that represent parts of the city of Sanford. The city is divided up among three of us in terms of representation. So, certainly, not that we don't all have an interest, but three of us at least have very intent interests in how this moves forward. So, thank you. Madam Chair? Commissioner Dillard. Thank you, Madam Chair. I like the idea of a three-month extension, but I'd like to get monthly updates from staff. Sorry, six-month extension. I'd like to get a monthly update, and I think it'd behoove us so we can actually see the progress. That was it. That's a great suggestion. So, I'll move to approve a second amendment to extend JPA to October 15, 2026. I'll offer an additional six-month administrative extension. Second. Does that include the monthly updates? Monthly updates? Sure. Second. Yeah. Including monthly updates. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Public comment? Public comment? Any public comments? No, ma'am. There's nobody here. We're going to close public comments. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Hearing none. It passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you for the work you're doing on this as well. I do want to point out that I do not believe this document is in the electronic version not. Yeah. So. We'll add it. Yep. In the for the record category. Okay. All right. I think we are concluded to recess until 1.30. So we are almost at an hour and a half lunch. All right. Good job. Great. I heard one good afternoon back. I thought possibly with all those folks that may or may not be from the school that when I say good afternoon, that's the way I'm going to start. I'm going to add to you, Ms. Hur. Thank you. Thank you. That's probably the last time I'll ever be accused of that. All right. We are going to kick off the afternoon session with the quarterly employee service recognition. This is our favorite thing to do in the quarter. Christina Brandolini at the podium. Good afternoon, Chairman and Commissioners. Back again. You guys are probably sick of seeing me up here this morning. This afternoon, we have the pleasure of recognizing several employees for their service to Seminole County. And I actually am happy to start today's recognition with one of my own. So, Elizabeth Dean, Human Resources Coordinator, has 20 years of service. So, I'm going to be multitasking with this one. So, Elizabeth can't come out. I haven't had to figure out the multitasking before. But Elizabeth began her career with the county in January 2006 as an executive assistant in the county manager's office. Since 2015, she has been the friendly voice on the other end of the Human Resources mainline and serves as our personnel file and public records extraordinaire. When she isn't assisting employees with ID badges and completing employment verifications, she spends time with her husband, Danny, who is here, her four kids, and seven grandkids. She enjoys boating with their dog, Dudley, and their 20-year-old cow, Moonay, cat, Boo. So, I had to learn how to say that word. So, congratulations. Cow, Moonay. Cow, Moonay. Okay. Well, congratulations. And I was worried about my multitasking, so I forgot to mention that. Once we get through everybody, then we'll do photos at the end. Next, we have Chris Stronko, Animal Services Division Manager, who will be recognizing Albert Adams, Program Manager for Animal Services, for 20 years of service. Good afternoon, everybody. I'd like to take a moment to recognize Al Adams. Al Adams started with Animal Services in 2006 as an animal control officer. And since then, he's held just about every management position there is within Animal Services and done a fine job at that. He continues right now in his role as a special projects manager, and he handles most of our forward-facing events and does a great job at that. That's a new assignment for him. For a second, though, I'd like to talk about the man. Al is a leader in his church. He's a leader of wonderful children, all successful children. Al is a great person out of work, just as he is at work. And I'd just like to bring that to everybody's attention, that Al really contributes to the community around him, and that that's a great thing to have an employee that does it on both sides of the fence. So, man. Congratulations. We would like to know if you all could come back to every quarterly and close. Say yes. Next, we have Chief Matt Kinley, who has several folks from the fire department. We will start with Shane Degler, firefighter with 25 years. Good afternoon again, Matt Kinley, Fire Chief, Seminole County Fire Department. So, firefighter EMT Shane Degler is a graduate of Mariner High School in Cape Coral and attended Valencia College, where he earned his Associates of Arts degree and later graduated from fire standards from Lake Tech. Firefighter Degler began his career with Seminole County Fire Department in January of 2001, as many of us did, and has served on the tower team, special hazards and operations team, the tanker team, and he's currently assigned to tanker 42. In 2021, firefighter Degler is one of the department's airboat operators at Station 42, and in 2024 was honored with a life-saving award for his heroic efforts during an airboat rescue of a drowning victim. Firefighter Degler currently lives in Eustace with his wife and has an 18-year-old daughter, Zoe. Congratulations. Next, we have Lieutenant Jason Joyce. I'll keep it brief. I know you want to brief. Lieutenant Joyce attended EMT and fire standards at Seminole State College. Lieutenant Joyce has spent the majority of his career on the Special Hazards and Operations team and was a founding member of Florida Task Force 4. He is currently assigned to Station 41 on C-Shift. Lieutenant Joyce was born and raised in Central Florida and lives in New Sermina Beach with his wife and two children. Congratulations. How many years? 25. All of these are 25 until I get to the lab. You have 35. And then we got a 35. Engineer Eric Rogers. Engineer Rogers is a graduate of Daytona Beach Fire Academy and began his career in January of 2001 with the Seminole County Fire Department. Engineer Rogers is currently assigned to Station 43 in Chulioto on C-Shift. Thank you for covering my house. Engineer Rogers is a member of the department's Honor Guard, Burn Team, Fitness Team, Logistics Team, and Peer Support Team along with the Tanker Team and a crew member of the department's airboat. Engineer Rogers resides in Paola, the area of Seminole County with his wife and two daughters. Congratulations. Another 25. Lieutenant Kevin Jones. Lieutenant Jones is a graduate of Oviedo High School. He attended Seminole State College where he obtained his EMT and firefighter credentials. Lieutenant Jones was employed by the Castleberry Fire Department in 2001 through October of 2015 when the Castleberry Fire Department merged with the Seminole County Fire Department. In 2006, he became a Florida State Certified Paramedic. In September 2022, he was promoted to the position of engineer, the first for the tower team in Seminole County's history. In March of 2024, he was promoted to lieutenant. Kevin lives in Volusia County and is married with two children and with a daughter and son. Congratulations. Another 25 years. Christina Veracay. Yeah. Christina is a graduate of Pine Ridge High School. Following her graduation, she attended Seminole State College where she earned her EMT certification along with other credentials. Christina began her career with the Seminole County Fire Department and the Emergency Communications Center as a 911 telecommunications operator. Over the course of her eight years, she became a certified training officer, demonstrating strong leadership and exceptional operational expertise. She later transitioned into an administrative role as a management support coordinator where she has worked under the operations chief for the past 17 years, contributing significantly to the department's operations and support. Christina resides in De Leon Springs area of Volusia County with her family. She is married and has two sons and can't wait to go sit down. 35 years. Inspector Tom Gray. Inspector Gray graduated from Winter Park High School in 1983 and elicited in the USMC following graduation. Tom began his career with the Winter Springs Fire Department in 1991 and in 2008, with the consolidation, joined the county. Tom worked 30 years on shift as a firefighter paramedic and for the past six years has served as a fire inspector in fire prevention. Tom has been a Seminole County resident for 35 years, currently resides in Geneva with Cindy, his wife of 32 years. They have two daughters and three grandchildren. Tom intends to retire in July of this year. That's it, De Leon. We're done, right? One more. No. Yes, we actually have one more. Deputy County Manager, Tricia Johnson, is going to say we'll roast, but is going to close out with Chief Kinley with 25 years. Kinley does not enjoy recognition, so I will keep this to 10 minutes in one slideshow. One slideshow. I'm worried. With pictures from his youth. His journey is one of true dedication, starting as a firefighter paramedic in 2001 and rising through the ranks to Lieutenant, Battalion Chief, Assistant Chief of EMS Operations, Deputy Chief of Administration, then Deputy Chief of Operations, and ultimately being appointed to Fire Chief in 2022. Along the way, he served on specialized teams like SHOT and the Tower Team and helped lead an organization that today holds some of the highest distinctions in the profession, including an ISO Class 1 rating and national accreditations that place Seminole County Fire among the very best. I'm told he wanted to be Fire Chief on his very first day of fire school. Of course, at that time, the training center did not exist, and neither did social media. As Chief Kinley likes to say, back then, going viral meant you needed antibiotics. As Central Florida native, he grew up in the Lake Brantley area and now lives in Chuliotta with his wife, Sonia, and daughters, Sarah and Sadie, continuing a proud family legacy of fire service that started with his father, who also served as fire chief. What you may not know, on our leadership team, Chief Kinley is affectionately known as the dream killer. The holidays won't be so merry if that live tree goes up in flames. Sorry, kids. Candles are just a fire's way of politely entering your home. And I'm pretty sure he'd rather we power our phones by running on a hamster wheel than come close to a lithium-ion battery. What really defines Chief Kinley is his perspective on leadership. He said, leadership isn't having all the answers, it's navigating all the roads proficiently. And maybe, even more importantly, doors may close, but look for the windows. Which is fitting, since he's always looking for the safest way out, in, or around. Chief, thank you for your leadership, your service, your relentless drive, and yes, for keeping us all just a little more aware of the everyday hazards we didn't know we needed to worry about. Congratulations on playing. And that will conclude our presentation. So, if you'll join me, we will do pictures. So, we're going to do a little standing ovation for all of that. All right. While our employees are going back to work, I will point out, and I feel like you've already done this, but if you intend to speak, please fill out a yellow form and hand it to Ms. Drager, who's sitting in the front. With that, board members, I need a motion. Move proof of publication. Second. That was a motion to accept proofs of publication in a second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? No. Passes unanimously. Call for ex parte communication? None. None. None. None. Mine was submitted electronically. This is, we'll move to public hearings, quasi-judicial. And Ms. Latour, county attorney, would you like to train us on how to do this? Sure. I'm kidding. I really am kidding. We know how to do this, but she's going to let you know how we're going to do it. While the board welcomes comments from all persons with an interest in these proceedings, Florida law requires that the board's decision in quasi-judicial actions be supported by competent, substantial evidence presented to the board during the hearings on the applications. Competent, substantial evidence is such evidence as a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support a conclusion. There must be a factual basis in the record to support opinion testimony from both expert and non-expert witnesses. Persons presenting testimony may rely on factual information that they present, information presented by county staff, information the applicant presented, or on factual information included in the county's staff report to support their testimony. All persons who present written materials to the board for consideration must ensure that a copy of such materials is provided to the clerk for inclusion in the board's record of the proceedings and the official minutes. Madam Chair. Thank you. So this brings us to Item 19, Pemberton Carports PD Major Amendment Rezone, being presented by Caitlin Apgar, Senior Planner. Welcome. Good afternoon. Caitlin Apgar, Planning and Development Services. The applicant is requesting the approval for a rezone from PD plan development to PD plan development to allow for reduced building setbacks and buffer requirements for accessory structures on 0.87 acres located on the north side of Pemberton Drive, east of South Orange Blossom Trail. The existing future land use is plan development and the existing zoning is PD. The property is located in the business tract of the Bear Lake plan development. The established PD future land use does not specify a maximum floor area ratio value for the business tract. The subject site is approximately 0.87 acres and was developed in 2005 as a warehouse and office building. The purpose of the PD amendment is to allow for the existence of accessory structures to the warehouse and office building. The property has been subject to a code enforcement case relating to the unpermitted construction, inclusive of the accessory structures. In pursuit of compliance, the applicant removed the structures but requests the PD amendment in order to complete the permitting of the structures. The owner intends to retain the three accessory carport structures that encroach into the rear yard setback of 30 feet, resulting in a proposed rear yard setback of 6 feet. The carports also encroach into the required 100-foot buffer from the residential lot lines to the north. This is established in condition 4 of the original Bear Lake PD developers commitment agreement. The requested reductions will apply only to the accessory structures on the subject property and will not be applicable to the primary structure. The land development code specifies that PDs should adhere to the greater benefit and innovation criteria and remain consistent with the comprehensive plan. As a summary, the request to amend the rear setback and 100-foot buffer from the residential lot lines does not otherwise detract from the intent of the PD. The Bear Lake PD was approved in August of 1990, which was established under slightly different criteria than existing today. Overall, the amendment to this PD does not impair the PD's ability or inability to meet these criteria on a larger scale. The residential tract for the Bear Lake PD is already constructed, and most of the parcels in the business tract are developed. The impact to the surrounding area is nominal overall in building coverage and impervious service area. Through the proposed addendum, a maximum floor area ratio is proposed in order to regulate the intensity of the site. The maximum floor area ratio proposed is 0.65 in accordance with typical light industrial uses. The addition of the carports served to enhance the property and obscure any storage of materials by general business and warehouse uses as allowed by the PD. The site is located in the Seminole County Utility Service Area and is connected to water service. The property was previously approved to have a septic system. The site does not have specific open space requirements per lot. However, the PD requires the overall business center development to maintain a minimum of 3.14 acres of landscaping and open space. The property has access onto Pemberton Drive, which is classified as a local road. Buffer requirements will be determined at site plan approval and will be in compliance with the Seminole County Land Development Code and DCA as applicable. In compliance with the Seminole County Land Development Code, Section 30.3.5 Community Meeting Procedure, the applicant conducted a community meeting on September 24, 2025. Details of the community meeting have been provided in the agenda package. The Planning and Zoning Commission met on March 4, 2026 and voted unanimously to recommend the Board of County Commissioners approve the request. The minutes of this meeting are included in the agenda package as well. Staff requests the Board of County Commissioners adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone for the following motion. Based on staff's findings and testimony and evidence received at the hearing, the Board of County Commissioners find the request meets the identified portions of the Seminole County Land Development Code and moves to adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone from PD plan development to PD plan development and approve the Associated Developers Commitment Agreement and Master Development Plan on 0.87 acres located on the north side of Pemberton Drive, east of South Orange Blossom Trail. Thank you. Thank you. Is the applicant here and do you wish to make a comment? No, I think she didn't. Well, we'll take that compliment. She does wonderfully almost all the time. I shouldn't have said almost, Caitlin. I heard you flinch at that. I saw it. She's a perfectionist. That's on me. She's really done that same job. Thank you. Thank you. Is there public comment regarding this item? No, ma'am. Thank you. We'll close public comment at this point. Commissioner Constantine, this is your district. Yes, thank you very much. And I do want to point it out that, you know, this is part of the new program that we've done with PDs and major amendment re-zones. And so it was, you know, greater benefit and innovative criteria determined that the board, if you looked at the one of them, they said meet an additional arbor tree preservation and tree planting requirement and minimize transportation impacts through design elements. So it's good to see that that's being worked on. Also, I would like to ask the applicants to look into the $10,000 opportunity to improve your septic tank program that we have now instead of the old septic tank that you have. But with that said, based on the staff findings and the testimony and evidence received at the hearing, the board, I would move that the board find the request consistent with the comprehensive plan and meets the applicant portions, applicable portions of the land development code and moves the adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone from PD to PD plan development and associated developers commitments agreement and master plan to allow for reduced building setbacks and buffer requirements for accessory structures on 0.87 acres located on the north side of Pemberton Drive east of South Orange Blossom Trail. Second. We have a motion and a second. Commissioners, is there further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. The next item is item 20, Wayside Drive Assemblage PD Major Amendment Rezone. This will be presented by Annie Silouet, Principal Planner. Good afternoon. Annie Silouet with Development Services. The applicant is requesting a rezone from A1 Agriculture and PD plan development to PD plan development to incorporate three parcels into the wayside assemblage PD and to establish a new ingress-egress access onto International Parkway. On December 12, 2023, the applicant received approval for a PD plan development rezoning for a mixed-use development on approximately 19.48 acres that consisted of three tracts. Tract A, which is the Higher Intensity Plan Development Target Industry. Tract B, Multifamily and Target Industry Uses. And Tract C, which is Commercial and Office Uses. Tract A and B have an Existing Future Land Use designation of HIP-TI, which allows a maximum floor area ratio of 1.5. And Tract B allows a maximum density of 40 dwelling units per net buildable acre. And Tract C has a Commercial Future Land Use designation, which allows a maximum FAR of 0.35. And these previously approved development entitlements will remain in effect. The newly incorporated parcels are approximately 1.07 acres along the west portion of the proposed development, and the newly proposed ingress-egress access onto International Drive will require an approved traffic impact analysis prior to final development plan approval. And required improvements may include, but are not limited to, turn lanes, access limitations, and signalized intersections. The buffers along the west perimeter will be evaluated and determined at the time of final development plan, and the developer will provide 25% open space. The proposed PD zoning designation and the associated master development plan have been evaluated for compliance with the Seminole County Land Development Code review criteria for plan developments as follows. The proposed development is consistent with the Seminole County Comprehensive Plan. As stated in the next slide, the HIP-TI Future Land Use designation aims to attract target industries for higher paying employment in strategic locations along the North I-4 corridor, emphasizing proximity to major interchanges. The developer will provide natural resource preservation by amenitizing the stormwater pond that will enhance water quality and habitat. The proposed development creates a live-work environment by reducing the commuting distance by capturing trips on-site while also promoting economic growth and connect the development to wayside and International Parkway. The developer will provide neighborhood and community amenities by providing landscape buffers, internal pathways, and integrated open space. The proposed development is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan by promoting flexibility and creativity in addressing changing social, economic, and market conditions, especially where they are used to implement adopted policies of the Comprehensive Plan. Per policy, FLU 4.5 by uses while providing residential that is subordinate to the target industry uses, and per policy, 5.3.3 commercial future land use is to identify locations for a variety of commercial uses, neighborhood, and community shopping centers. Staff finds the request to be consistent with the Seminole County Comprehensive Plan and the Land Development Code and is compatible with the trend of development in the surrounding area. The applicant conducted a community meeting on December 2, 2025, and no members of the community attended the meeting. The Planning and Zoning Commission met on March 4th and voted unanimously to recommend the Board of County Commissioners adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone from A1 Agriculture and PD Plan Development to PD Plan Development. Staff requests the Board of County Commissioners adopt the rezone ordinance per the following motion. Based on staff's findings and testimony and evidence received at the hearing, the Board finds the request meets the identified portions of the Seminole County Land Development Code and moves to adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone from A1 Agriculture and PD Plan Development to PD Plan Development and approve the associated development order and master development plan on approximately 19.98 acres located on the south side of Wayside Drive east of International Parkway. And that concludes my presentation. Thank you, Ms. Silloway. Is the applicant here, and would they like to make a comment? I think that's a yes. And a yes. I want to take much of your time. Ben Beckham, Matt Moore, and Stokes, engineer for the project, representing the applicant. Thanks to Annie for getting us through this. As you mentioned, we had a positive hearing at Planning and Zoning. The purpose of this amendment is to amend a previously approved PD to add three small parcels to it, which will increase the access for the HIPTI portion of the project, which will make the property more marketable to HIPTI users, which I think everybody prefers. As mentioned, there's no proposed increase in entitlements for the project, so no increased density, no increased building square footage, no proposed increases over the previously approved PD. So, again, thanks for getting us here today. I appreciate your time. I'm here to answer any questions if you need it. Thank you very much for your comments. Are there public comments on this item? Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. There's one Mary Ann Gerald. Ms. Gerald, please come forward. If you would, when you get there, give us your name and address for the record. My name is Mary Ann Gerald. I live at 219 Juniper Ridge Court, Sanford, Florida. I'm right down the street from this parcel. Any other information you need? Okay. I'm going to go over three. Not much, just a little bit. But because this has such a direct effect on my land, I would like to ask for a little bit of an extension. You just keep going. Not much. Okay. Good afternoon. My name is Mary Ann Fox Gerald. I am one of the owners of Parcel 29193300000, located on the south side of Wayside Drive in Seminole County. My family has held this land for generations. My ownership comes through the will of my great-aunt, Lizzie Anna Fox Wilson. My family has a long history of contributing to this county, including donating land for public use, one example being the site provided for Wilson Elementary School. In May of 2022, I was approached by Mark Arnold, broker of KW Commercial, representing Douglas Land Company, about purchasing our parcel as part of the Wayside Assemblage. We entered into a contract with Douglas Land Company in June of 2022, which was later extended and then expired as the buyers continued working through their assemblage and rezoning process. Throughout this time, I remained in communication with Mr. Arnold and cooperated fully. In August of 2023, Mr. Arnold asked me to participate in the vacation of Old Brick Road. I agreed, based on the understanding that the added land from the vacated road would increase the value of our parcel and be reflected in the purchase price. I also expected to receive a certified survey documenting the vacated area. Instead, I was given only a survey sketch. When I contacted Seminole County and the property appraiser's office, each stated the other had produced it. Ultimately, I had to pay for my own certified survey and will now be installing fencing to protect our property boundaries. On December 12, 2023, Mr. Arnold emailed my ownership group of the good news that the Wayside Assemblage rezoning had been approved and stated I will be meeting with the buyers over the next few days to discuss next steps and timelines for closing. However, when he later contacted me, I was told that because the assemblage had rezoned all the way around our parcel, it was now essentially worthless and the buyers intended to offer less than their original contract price. I declined to cut discussion. To be clear, the actions taken by Douglas Land Company with the approval of Seminole County have boxed in our parcel, reduced its marketability, and eliminated our ability to work with any other developers. The loss of value was not natural or unavoidable. It was the direct result of decisions made during the assemblage and rezoning process. Finally, as the Wayside Assemblage project moves forward, I am requesting assurances that no development activity, including grading, drainage changes, or site preparation, will cause physical damage, flooding, or any other negative impacts to our parcel. Finally, I ask that Seminole County recognize the position this process has placed our ownership group in and be willing to work with us in the future so that we may recover the value and opportunities that have been adversely affected as a result of the Wayside Assemblage and Rezone. I respectfully request that this statement be made part of the public record for this agenda item so that all parties are aware of our ownership and our concerns. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you for doing that in under three minutes. I think that was under three minutes. This will be made part of the public record, so that wish is granted by virtue of you being here and doing this. Yes, this is all public record. Thank you. If there are no further public comments, I will ask if the – I don't know that the applicant needs to rebut that, so there's a shaking of the head no. We agree on that. We will close public comment. This is my district. Madam Chair, if you want, I'm happy to make the motion on your behalf. I move, based on staff's findings and testimony and evidence received at the hearing, the Board finds a request meets the identified portion of the Seminole County Land Development Code and moves to adopt the ordinance enacting a Rezone from A1 Agriculture to PD Plan Development to PD Plan Development, approve associated development order and master development plan on approximately 19.98 acres located on the south side of Wayside Drive east of International Parkway. Second. We have a motion and a second. Are there – is there further discussion? Hearing none, all those – I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just wanted to make sure – I want to check on the only public comment that was made, if I could just check with the attorney and have there be clarification that what was shared does not have any direct bearing on the decision before us today. I mean, that's a decision for the Board to make, whether you think that the testimony presented is competent and substantial evidence. Well, I just want to make sure that that is a – what I perceived is that that is a separate issue that is perhaps a civil matter that probably does not actually have bearing on this decision and this rezoning. Is that a fair statement? Yes. To my knowledge, there is – the rezoning will not cut off access or something like that to an existing property. This rezone adding these three lots. Okay. I just wanted to make sure because we just kind of like – I appreciate you getting that on the record. That was my understanding as well. Did you – were you raising your hand? No, I was moving my mic. Okay. Now I'm just paranoid to the right. I'll call for the vote. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? No. Motion passes unanimously. The next item is item number 21, Rock Church Special Exception. This will be presented by Caitlin Apgar, Senior Planner. Hello again. Caitlin Apgar, Planning and Development Services. The applicant is requesting the approval for a special exception to allow the use of a church and daycare in the A1 Agriculture Zoning District on approximately 10.62 acres located on the south side of West State Road 46 and west of Orange Boulevard. The property has a future land use of suburban estates and a zoning designation of A1 Agriculture. The property is located within the Wakai River Protection Area, the East Lake Sylvan Transitional Area, the West State Road 46 Scenic Corridor Overlay District, and the Offer for Recharge Overlay. The proposed daycare requires approval of a special exception in the A1 Zoning District. Per the Land Development Code update of 2024, civic assembly uses now require a special exception approval as opposed to prior versions of the code. Thus, the expansion of the assembly space and daycare require approval of a new special exception. The site has operated as a church since 2007 with a school component that was granted special exception in 2016 with the condition of approval that the private school should not exceed 150 students. This special exception is remaining in place for the existing building. The current request is an addendum to the previously approved special exception. The addendum was pursued in this case due to some statutory considerations that may be applicable to private schools on church sites. Mesa may be able to expand upon this a bit more at any point. Would you like to expand on that now? You've been called on. Sure, I'll expand on that now. So this property has an existing special exception, as Caitlin said. In 2024, the state legislature passed a law that said private schools can now locate in any church or theater, cinema, library, those types of buildings that have been in operation as a church or a library or cinema for five years. Private schools can locate within those buildings by right, and the county cannot require a rezoning or a special exception to allow them to locate there. So since this is a new building, it wouldn't apply to the new building. But since the old building has been in operation for that long, they're not asking for anything as it pertains to that. So we're leaving the special exception that's in place there, and they're going to continue to operate under that. So this is just for the new building. Questions from the board for our attorney? All right. Thank you. The current request is for the construction of a new assembly building, addition of classrooms, and the addition of a daycare component to the existing private school. The proposed new 14,519-square-foot assembly building will have a seating capacity of 330 chairs and additional office and daycare rooms. The project also includes renovation of the existing 11,670-square-foot building to accommodate additional classrooms and office spaces. The proposed development is consistent with the special exception criteria, as stated in the following slides and staff report. As a summary, the proposed addition of daycare and assembly space is intended to serve the surrounding residential population. The existing church functions as a transitional buffer between major arterial roads, State Road 46 and State Road 429, and the existing residential neighborhood. The applicant has demonstrated adequate buffering and increased separation distance for proposed structures in order to meet compatibility with the surrounding area. A private school and daycare may function as an accessory used to the church. Therefore, the request is consistent with the character. The site is currently developed as a church. The parking provided is compliant with the code and provides a loop to prevent queuing out onto State Road 446, as depicted in the stacking plan provided by the applicant. The school and daycare operate during weekday hours that do not overlap with the church. The property meets identified portions of the comprehensive plan with low-intensity development, as further discussed in the SAF report, and as required by the Wekiva River Protection Area and future land use designation. The subject site consists of 10.6 acres and anticipates church attendance of approximately 330 people. The proposed addition of the daycare and assembly space is considered compatible and is intended to serve the surrounding residential population. Upon staff evaluation, the trips generated will likely not exceed the threshold that would require roadway improvements, but will require further examination by traffic engineering. A traffic impact study will be required during the site plan review. The applicant requests a daycare cap of 141, to which staff is able to support based on the trips generated and stacking plan provided. Compliance with Seminole County Land Development Code Section 30.3.5, Community Meeting Procedures. The applicant conducted a community meeting on December 29, 2025. Details of the community meeting have been provided in the agenda package. The Planning and Zoning Commission met on March 4, 2026, and voted unanimously to recommend the Board of County Commissioners approve the request. The minutes of this meeting are also included in the agenda package. Please advise the updated development order that was passed out reflects an amended condition to the request. The previously stated condition T had erroneously included indoor amplification of sound, as opposed to the updated language that only restricts outdoor amplification of sound. Any activity is still subject to the sound provisions of the Code of Ordinances in addition to the proposed restriction. Staff finds this request meets the identified portions of Section 30.3.1.5 special exceptions of the Seminole County Land Development Code. Therefore, staff requests the Board of County Commissioners approve the special exception and the associated development order with the updated language to condition T to allow the use of a church and daycare located in the A1 Agriculture Zoning District on approximately 10.62 acres located on the south side of West State Road 46 and west of Orange Boulevard. Thank you. Thank you. Is the applicant here, and do you wish to make a comment? Please take the podium name and address for the record. Thank you. Maverick, Vaughn Herbalist, McKee Construction, 717 Monroe Road, Sanford, Florida. I'm just here for two quick things. One, Caitlin and the rest of the staff that we've met with has went above and beyond the last – it's been since last year kind of working through these because there's been a lot of little obstacles that we've had to jump a lot of them, and we're finally here today. So I really appreciate her and Dagmarie and the rest of the staff that's helped with this. I did just want to mention one quick thing is that when we did meet with some of the residents back at the end of last year, there was a couple that I guess kind of assumed that we were affecting a conservation area that's on site. I just want to make sure that we're clear and on record that we are not affecting a conservation area whatsoever. Other than that, I'm just here if there's any questions. All right. Thank you. Thank you. We will move on to public comment. I see a pile of yellow forms. How many do you have? Nine, madam. Nine. And we've received a significant number of forms up here, and I want to assure you that they've been passed down the dais. They'll be put back to the clerk for the record, but we've all seen them. Please call the first three, and if you would queue up over here, that would be fabulous. Maracle Dorsey, Kaylee Hoffman, and Tim Carney. And you will be limited to three minutes. I do ask that you all not repeat what someone else has said. If you try not to duplicate previous comments, that keeps us focused. The more focused we are, the better this all goes. Trust me on this. Good morning and welcome, and if you'll just give us your name for the record, that would be fabulous. My name is Maracle. The first time I went here, I was five months, and I was known as a very smart, speedy kid. The teachers never give up on you, because each one is unique in their own way. If you get hurt, they will help you up. If you get sad, they will make you smile. If you ever need a helping hand, the rock will be the first to lift you up. The rock expanding would be a great way to grow our family and school. Be bigger in size, but it will be a challenge to go through, but we can do it together. Well done, Miracle. Thank you. So, for the adults, name and address. Of course. My name is Kaylee Hoffman. I live five minutes down the road, not even, 115 North Scott Avenue, Sanford, Florida. And I have the honor and privilege of being the Rock Academy principal. I have been the principal for five years. I have worked at the school. I have a loud voice. I'm sorry. I have worked at the school the whole time that I just been there as a teacher. In the last five years, I've been principal. I'm actually here on behalf of a parent who couldn't be here, and she wanted me to just express her heart to you, and I wanted to read that out loud to you. The Rock Church has provided a positive impact on our community for decades. I could write volumes on the incredible ways the Rock Church has bettered the life of myself, my child, and my whole family. The leadership and the people of the Rock are such an amazing, loving, caring people who desire to leave the earth better in every way for generations to come. The people of the Rock serve with excellence, compassion, and genuine love for the community. And this expansion would enable the great things being accomplished at the Rock to reach even more families than we are now. Although you can begin to grow something beautiful from a seed in a small container, it eventually needs a larger space to truly reach its full potential. So we implore you to be the one to allow the Rock of Central Florida to reach its full potential and serve the community in a capacity far greater than they already have been by allowing this expansion. And thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Tim Carney, 394 Hickory Springs Place in DeBerry, Florida. The first thing I want to do is just express how connected I am to Seminole County. I have a beautiful daughter that attended daycare and now attends school there. My gorgeous nurse wife works there. I met the majority of my lifelong friends there. I frequently work there. I teach there. I participate in community outreach and race relations there. I'm a musician who plays live weekly there. I'm a writer who has had a musical that I co-wrote and staged, performed there. And that's just for starters. And every one of those things that I listed that happened in Seminole County happened at the Rock of Central Florida. The Rock is a place of goodness. And it's a place that welcomes all. It also shows its staying power. To give that a little bit of context, the Rock of Central Florida was having services in a storefront right around the same time as many of those brave firefighters were considering and rolling into service. Finally, I want to express something that might feel a little heavy, but it's important. In a world where people have trouble getting through the day and considering tomorrow, struggling under crippling anxiety, even people in this room right now, The Rock is a place that has proven it thinks in generations. So we're not just thinking about getting through today. We're planting seeds that are going to grow for decades and centuries in this county. This is definitely a place you want to make bigger. Thank you. Thank you. Dominique, can you call the next speakers? If you all wouldn't mind, we love the applause, but we're going to try to keep this moving. And I don't want to have to yell over it. I can, but I don't want to have to. Welcome, Ariana Kramer, Chris Myers, and Shaviv Padgett. Welcome, Ariana. You can pull that microphone down, just like I have to do. Go ahead. Good morning, everybody. I mean, good afternoon, sorry. My name is Ariana Kramer. I am so appreciative for The Rock Academy, because I was getting bullied at all the other schools. When I went to The Rock Academy, it brought me so much joy. I think the expansion will help the kids that are getting bullied now bring them joy and spread the kindness. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, you can clap for Ariana. I do appreciate you trying to be compliant through that. I'm about to give her a standing ovation. Please, sir. Christopher Myers, 1040 Cortland Boulevard, Deltona, Florida. Thank you. Thank you for your time. I'm a son, a husband, a father. I've lived a lot of places. I've known a lot of people. And I want to say that, by far, Steve Parker, who is the head visionary at The Rock of Central Florida, is the greatest man I've ever met in my life. You would never go wrong siding with Steve Parker. If you give him more opportunity for growth, then good will exponentially increase. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Dominique, how about you call the next three? A.J. Phillips, Dayami Red Cloud, and Thomas Weikart. Thank you. Go ahead. Name and address for the record. Good afternoon. I'm Shaviv Padgett. My address is 414 South Montgomery Avenue in Deland, Florida. I thank you for the opportunity to come before you and just testify how amazing The Rock is. I walked in the doors 23 years ago a completely different person. You would not recognize me. And The Rock saved my family, saved my marriage, saved my children. They're alive. They're well. I'm married to my best friend because of The Rock. Because they show families how to be family and how to be real. And they don't sugarcoat it. They tell you the truth. They told me I had problems just like my husband did. I thought it was all him. By the way, some of it was me too. But I am just here to just express my gratitude for the opportunity that I am at The Rock. But there are so many other hungry families that we can serve. And you can see other Shavivs out there that walk in one way and years later, if they dig their roots in like we did, they will see change. They will see life. They will see opportunity. I have a job there. I worked there. My dream has come true. I met my husband as a DJ in a nightclub. Now he DJs for Jesus. So the opportunities are there if we are able to expand and if we are able to grow. So I thank you for your time. I thank you for the opportunity. I love Seminole County. And I'm excited. And I'm full acceptance of this growth. Thank you. Young man, if you'll give us your first name for the record. Deami Red Cloud, 523 Lady Ireland Court, 32724. This school has really impacted me by the way they talk, act, and carry themselves all together. And it has taught me spiritually and also just with school, I'd say naturally. It's taught my family. We started going to church here. And after church, it was school. Well, it all started off with summer camp, and that was pretty cool. They expect high of us, but that's because they're shaping us. Because I feel like a lot of kids are like, oh, the homework's so hard. Why do we have to do this? But really, they're molding us into who we can really be. And they push us to know who we are. We had a conversation about that on Monday. And it was really awesome because it's showing that they really care. I personally have learned who I am here at the Rock Academy. The expansion will help bring more kids to have this experience I'm having. And I believe that could literally change the earth. And I've seen kids who don't come from the best background change into something you couldn't even, you wouldn't even think that's how, where they came from. And it's changed my family, like I said earlier. And I just, I thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Thomas Weikart, and I live at 5019 Northern Dove Avenue, Mount Dora, Florida. Chairman, commissioners, city staff, and neighbors, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. I'm a proud U.S. combat veteran and a lifelong resident of the community. I stand before you as a member of the Rock of Central Florida to ask for your support for our church building expansion. For years, the Rock has been more than a place of worship. It has been a place of service and stability for our neighbors. Our campus currently housed a school and early learning center that provides quality education and child care to families across the city. Those programs allow parents to work and children to learn and grow in a safe, nurturing environment. The church also operates local outreach programs, food distribution, mentoring, and support services that meet immediate needs and strengthens families. For example, during hurricanes, we have a response team to help and support our community as they recover and rebuild. Our impact extends beyond local borders. The Rock has partnered with communities in Honduras, Cuba, and Nigeria, providing relief, infrastructure support, education, and medical care. I have had the honor of serving as a team leader of our medical mission in Nigeria, where our volunteers and medical professionals have performed hundreds of surgeries and countless procedures that otherwise would not have been available. Those missions save lives, restore dignity, and build lifelong relationships of compassion and cooperation, all organized and supported through our church, the Rock of Central Florida. The proposed expansion is modest and purpose-driven. It will allow us to enlarge our early learning center, increase classroom space for the school, and increase our resources. These are tangible public benefits. More classroom space for children, expanded child care capacities for working families, increased local volunteer opportunities, and enhanced community support that reduce strain on government resources. We understand the board's responsibility to ensure responsible development, which align with our goals. We are an excellent and responsible neighbor and will continue to be as we grow in our capacity to serve. As a veteran, I believe strongly in service to community and country. The values that led me to serve in uniform are the same values that drive our congregation to serve locally and globally, allowing the Rock to expand as an investment in people, children gaining education, family gaining stability, neighbors being supported, and communities overseas receiving life-changing aid. I respectfully ask this board to approve our request for expansion so we can continue and increase this work. Thank you for your consideration. Thank you, sir, and thank you for your service. Thank you. Dominique, will you call the next three? You can come up, sir. This is the last speaker. This is the last speaker? The pile down there looked like it was growing, so I was a little nervous. Hi. Thank you guys for your time this afternoon. My name is Archie Josiah Phillips III, and I really am so grateful of what the Rock in Central Florida is and what it has been for me. You saw Deyami. Right now, I'm able to be in ministry full-time, and I'm the youth director here at the Rock in Central Florida, but I remember being Deyami's age and walking through the doors of the Rock. And now, from 9 years old to a 29-year-old man, I'll be third this year, a 29-year-old man, I've never looked for an opportunity to look outside the Rock or try to find, hey, the grass is greener on the other side because the people at the Rock of Central Florida know how to be family, and that comes through time, and it comes through walking through hard seasons, and it comes through the Father Yahweh's provision. And so anything that you do to help us expand the vision of the Rock of Central Florida, the vision of Kim and Steve Parker, and not only is it the vision of Kim and Steve Parker, but everyone that you see sitting in here, we have bought the vision up, and now it is ours. And you don't know where their vision stops and ours begins. So I thank you for this opportunity, and hopefully this gets approved, and I'm evidence of the generational blessing that Tim Carney spoke about. Thank you. Thank you. With that, we'll close public comment. I suspect that the applicant doesn't have a rebuttal to any of that. Okay. Commissioners, any questions? Madam Chair, I'm happy to make a motion on your behalf if you desire. Sure. I'll move to, based on staff's findings, the testimony, and evidence received at the hearing, the Board of County Commission finds a request meets the identified portion of the Land Development Code and move to approve the special exception associated with development order with the update to condition T to allow, with conditions, the use of a church and daycare in the A1 Agricultural Zoning District on approximately 10.62 acres located on the south side of West State Road 46 west of Orange Boulevard. I'll second with a comment, if I may. Please. Loved hearing all of the positive impact that this church has had on your community. I think it is important, though, to note, like I did with the last item, that our vote is based on competent, substantial evidence related to our Land Development Code and as provided by our staff. So, loved hearing it, but unfortunately, not much of what you shared is relevant to my vote. It's wonderful to hear, and I'm happy for it, but I just felt like I needed to put that on the record for whatever future purpose there may be. Yes, Commissioner Zimbauer. I concur completely. There's no question this church has done great work in many young people's lives as well as other adults in our community. And, again, that's not something, although it's great to hear those stories, and we love those stories, and we love to have those benefits to our community, that's not something we can base our decision upon. It's based on the dynamics of what's permissible under our code is why I moved that forward as well. But I'm glad to hear so many great stories and the good work you folks are doing on behalf of those that are attending your congregations. Good stuff. So I'll make the comment that staff did find that this was permissible under the code. I'm hearing no further discussion. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Hearing none, it passes unanimously. Thank you for your service to the community. Thank you. Thank you. What? I have no idea. Probably third. I have to come back to submit. I forgot to give it to... Okay. All right. Thank you. Bye. Hey, ma'am. Heather. Oh, good to see you, Marianne. I'll give it a minute to... Yeah, I'll take it. Okay. Well, they're probably ordering oranges. Hey, does anybody care for chocolate? Yes. Thank you. I think she might need some. Anyone? I'm good. You want some? Wait. I think he was passing the mints down to us on purpose. No, they just happened to be in there. We'll take some mints. All right. It looks like we're about to clear out the audience, so we'll move on to public hearing legislative. And this item is going to be presented by Mandy Salazar from Parks and Recreation. Welcome, Mandy. Hello. For the record, Mandy Salazar, division manager for Parks and Recreation. Good afternoon, commissioners. We are here today to present the request to update our admin code to reflect an ordinance to prohibit using tobacco products in our beautiful parks. This initiative began over a year ago when we were approached by Tobacco-Free Florida to work and adopt an ordinance that would reflect new legislation at the state level. This legislation was passed in 2022. Sorry. There we go. That granted local municipalities the ability to limit smoking and vaping in county-owned parks, which would now allow our staff to enforce this rule about around playgrounds, fields, and public recreational spaces, and also encourage healthy initiatives such as healthy lungs at play. As you can see by this list, we will not be the first on the table to adding this ordinance to our arsenal as dozens of our neighboring cities and counties have issued the same ordinance in the last four years since it was adopted. And why this matters for current work, we are in the process of updating and replacing all of our park and trail signs around the county. And if passed, this new regulation will be added to those signs to further support the prohibition and reinforce the new rule at every entrance and exit for our parks. So at this time, staff are recommending approval for the ordinance. Thank you very much. Is there any public comment requests for this? No, ma'am. We'll close public comment. Commissioners, yes. Oh, no, you had something. I have a question. Whatever. Go ahead. Mr. Constantine. I'm going to make a motion. Okay, go ahead. I'll get questions afterwards. First of all, I am happy to support this. I think that our parks should be a haven away from tobacco, smoking, and vaping. I was sad to hear that you are not allowed, we are not. And before I get the question, because we're out at a park and somebody is smoking a cigar, I was told that we cannot, by state statute, stop people from smoking cigars at our parks, which I find strange. I'll just use that word. But I'm excited that we can make our own parks, our great and beautiful parks, tobacco-free. And I will make a motion to move this ordinance. Second. All right. Commissioner Zimbauer, did you have a comment? So I just want to make sure, I think what I heard, when entering and exiting is my concern. The enforcement, how are we enforcing this otherwise? Currently, if we see someone smoking in the bleachers, we're not allowed to say anything, because there's nothing for us to show why they can't be doing it. So we are able to add this to signage. We'll be able to put up special initiative signs for groups that have been reaching out, the healthy lungs at play, et cetera. And our staff, if they see somebody doing it now, we'll be able to ask them comfortably to leave the property if they would like to do that. Understood. But let's carry that to the trails. Let's say somebody's out and join the trail. They decide they're going to smoke a cigarette or maybe a marijuana joint, whatever it might be. And now another resident confronts them and says, hey, there's no smoking here. Is there going to be a park ranger or anybody there to control that? How are we funding that? We do have a park ranger. We're in the process of rehiring one. So, I mean, it is a process that we'll have to be working towards because this is a new thing for us to enforce. So it's been really nice to reach out to other municipalities. I mean, we have a really nice list of people we're able to reach out to to ask how they do that on a regular basis. So I'm sure it'll be a we'll have some growing pains to figure out how we're going to do that. But now we have hopefully we will have this this good foundation to build off of where we can find better ways and more polite ways to be able to do that, where the residents will now know that this is an expectation when they visit our parks and trails. Good, because had I known that if we wanted to push forward a no smoking ban our parks to get park rangers in our parks, I would have supported pushing this forward six, seven years ago because we have other issues in our parks and trails and we don't seem to have the funding to hire park rangers. I think we've now hired, what, one or two for the entire county for hundreds of miles of trails and parks that a lot of people enjoy, not only from our county but outside this county. So my concern is we're passing a law, but if it doesn't have an enforcement mechanism that could lead to a confrontation or some other issue between residents is somewhat concerning. So has Tobacco Free Florida sent any funding along with this for park rangers? No, sir. All right, those are my questions. I think that was a rhetorical question. I appreciate you indulging. Yes, Commissioner Delore. Thank you, Madam Chair. Can you define to me, since you're allowed to smoke cigars, what's the difference between a cigar and a cigarette and how you differentiate between the two? I do not have the answer to that. I know with the ordinance it was the filter-free cigars. I don't know if Kate's able to pop in on that. They're fatter. We don't have definition in our code, Commissioner, but they're different products, products, and they're regulated differently. Because I've seen cigars look like cigarettes. Well, those are usually the cheap ones. Yeah, ticcarillos. I would have to look to see if cigar was defined in the state statute that allows us to ban smoking, which will just take me a few moments. You brought it up. Yeah. Since Commissioner Constantine brought it up, it's a question. Well, the legislature did take the liberty of prohibiting the county's ability from prohibiting smoking cigars. So that's why I suspect it's defined in the statute that defines cigarettes and cigars differently. But I don't know much about smoking cigars and cigarettes, but isn't it a different kind of tobacco? I'm just asking the question. Pretty much the same tobacco. So I'm going to pull the meeting back to Robert's rules. Madam Chair, these are legitimate questions. I understand they're legitimate questions. The question, I think, at hand is whether or not we think that passing an ordinance and putting signage up would be valuable at this point in time. So I'll go to Commissioner Lockhart. So I do have a question on the choice of the use of the word may on 36D, talking about signage. I think signage is critical, and I think we should be directing the county manager or designee to post signage, not giving them the permissibility but requiring it. And so if there is some rationale to changing the may to a shall or a will, I would like to make that friendly amendment. So I'll take it back to the originator of the motion for consideration. I would accept that. I would accept that. Seconder agrees. So the word may on 36D would be changed to shall. Reading signage, the county manager or designee shall post signage prohibiting smoking and vaping in county parks. Because I agree that the first step is letting our citizens know and our visitors know what our expectation is. And you can't, it would be unfair to try to enforce something that we haven't shared what the expectation is. So I, having already been through two similar iterations at both the school district and all of the Seminole State College campuses being smoke-free, people actually, once you tell them that they are not, are generally very amenable and understanding and there are very few problems. And if it's somebody who's intent to have a problem, they're going to find a way to have a problem about something anyway, most likely. So, great job. Thank you for bringing this forward. And, great. Love it. Yes, Commissioner Zimbauer. Just, I've got to say it, playing the devil's advocate. As we have barbecue grills and cooking in our parks and that smoke is generated and inhaled by those participants who are using our parks, I'm not so sure that's not a problem as well. Just saying. I just want to, for the record, say that this statute that's proposed doesn't include barbecues. Correct. And so, for- Or prescribed burns. Or prescribed burns or anything else. I think there's a difference in the intention between somebody cooking out and people walking around with cigarettes and vape. I would tell you that the greatest concern that I have is for kids finding this to be a place to vape out of the sight of anyone. And signage will deter some of that. And any of that that we can deter is worthwhile. I think there is a natural deterrent when you post signage, as Commissioner Lockhart said, that folks will refrain from behaviors that are not acceptable in that location. There will always be people that push the limits. There will always be other concerns. From my perspective, this is a great step toward improving the health of our community. With that, I will- Commissioner, I just want to say before you, well said. Thank you. And also, as usual, this commission has looked through every side, every aspect of this particular thing to come to this conclusion. So I have to add this, and I hate doing it because I don't want anybody else to come. I mean, but if the legislature can tell us we can't do cigars and cigarettes, I mean, that's ludicrous. But I just thought of pipes. Does this stop people from smoking pipes? There's not very many anymore, but does this stop people from smoking pipes? Okay, good. All right. They didn't stop us from stopping pipes. Just cigars. Right. It's unbelievable. Providing us tobacco. With, good golly. So with that, I'm going to close the conversation and call the question. All those in favor. Aye. Opposed? Hearing none, it passes unanimously. Probably much to your surprise. Thank you. Thank you for your presentation. All right. That takes us to the county attorney's report. We want to know what's in the pipe. Do you want to know how that's defined also? Yes. Please. Commissioners, I just wanted to announce publicly, as Florida statute requires, that I will be requesting your advice on the litigation, Malloy versus Seminole County. I'm looking at the next board meeting date of April 28th to schedule that. Unless I hear that that doesn't work, we will do what we've done the last few times and get that done, hopefully, in between the morning and the afternoon session. Great. Great. Thank you. And that's my only report today. All right. Thank you. County manager. Thanks, Madam Chairman. Commissioner, just a couple items. One, based on this morning, the firefighter challenge economic impact. You know, Mr. Cunia whipped these out pretty quickly. He heard you and he got it over to me. Over $300,000 was the total economic impact. $174,000 direct economic impact. We had over 100 firefighter competitors, represented three countries, including our own, of course, and room nights, $180,000 for that. So that was a nice, nice, nice event. Also, just give a shout out to our Citizens Academy. It's up and running again. Our first one is this Saturday, April the 18th. It will be over at the Southeast Regional Water Supply Facility. Utilities and Environmental Services is hosting it from 10 to noon. You all should have had, thank you, flyers. This is, you know, we had over us about 600 folks attend last year when we did the new academy. And basically it's an open house concept, so you just actually come to it. So we have placed this on our website. We have communicated it out, put it in our newsletters. So hopefully we'll have a great success this year as we did last year. So that's all. Thank you. All right, terrific. That brings us to District 3, Commissioner Constantine. Thank you. I'm going to run through this very quickly, but I did want to give a shout out to the county manager and everyone involved on the Citizens Academy because I've heard nothing but good things. Six new events or projects, you know, come and go as you please, but a great deal of things to learn. I did want to say that on March 28th we had two teams in the Lynx softball tournament. Our team won, number one, lost in the championship, but still came in second place. I did have a trip, as I mentioned to you all, to go. It was a site visit to one of the vendors of the Florida Trust. The Florida Trust is now up to $2.5 billion in assets. And you know this is the local government bank, basically, for those communities to both invest as well as to borrow when other borrowing opportunities is difficult. We went to a company called Payton & Regal, which is one of our professional investment firms. But I've got to tell you the back story. They're out of L.A. It was started in the late 80s, and we have been a vendor, or they've been a vendor of the Florida Trust since the 90s. It was founded by a woman who, on her own, it's still owned and operated by her and the rest of the shares or in trust to her employees. As we were looking, I didn't meet one senior employee that hadn't been there at least 15 years. She was 94 and in the office and dressed to the T, impeccable, still very lucent. You know, we had a couple of meetings with her personally, and it was just exciting. And when I told her that my mother was 94 and could still drive, she said, God bless her, they took my license away. But it was really, really inspirational to see that. And their portfolio is $400 billion. But we are one of their longtime investors. And, again, it was just a great thing to see them. On the 31st, the Statewide Council of Opioid Abayment, which myself and Sheriff Lima are on, had another meeting in which we talked a lot about the monies that are coming and going with the opioid. We still are considered the model county. And as a preferred county, we get our money directly, not from the state, which is good because the state's diverting some of that money to other places. But we did get, you know, there was a good meeting from that. On April 11th, I just got to tell you, there was a lot of smiles at Rolling Hills. It's good to see you all there. They are so excited. And each one of you just, I know, I saw all of you talking to the members and to the residents. And it was just great to see that. So it's good to see it coming on. That same day, the Orlando Philharmonic did the Rockin' at the Roost with a tribute to the Eagles. And it was well represented. I think there were more than 1,000 people there. It was quite the crowd. And, you know, that is one of their biggest fundraisers of the year. It's great to see it. It's still in Seminole County. Tomorrow, I'm just going to go through. Tomorrow we have the Regional Planning Council meeting. We also have a zoo board meeting on the 16th. Career Source is opening another celebration and ribbon-cutting for a hub in Altamont Springs at the library. On the 17th, Leadership Seminole Board of Directors is meeting at Seminole State College at the Heathrow campus. And the 18th, we already said, is going to be the first one for the Citizens Academy. On the 18th, also, is Earth Day in Castleberry. And on the 20th, the River, Waukaiba River Basin Commission meeting. We're having another meeting. The 23rd, the Florida Trust is having a meeting again. And on the 23rd, also, I will be speaking to the statewide League of Women Voters on home rule in New Smyrna Beach. On the 24th, the Waukaiba Island is doing an Eco Talk panel, Earth Day, which I will be participating in. And the dedication of Katie's Landing will also be that weekend. I did want to tell you a sad note. Our good friend from the University of Central Florida, who's been with us for a long time, Fred Kittinger, is retiring. I've heard that. And they're going to have something. So I'm sure you'll hear about that later. And I also want to, you all received, I believe, from Ginger Deligal, information about being on different committees for the Florida Association of Counties. I just suggest, like Commissioner Lockhart and I have done, take advantage of that. I think there's a lot to learn and also participate in. And also, the same thing goes, as you all know, I'm one of the three members for the Florida, the entire state of Florida, for the National Association of Counties. And that will be coming up again in June. And last thing, I want to leave it on a positive note, that young man that did the dedication out at our five points, in which many of you, I think all of you, were there, for the folks, the people that won the Medal of Honors. He was getting his Eagle Scout designation. He did get accepted into the United States Military Academy, so he'll be going to West Point. And I just told you, his name is William Watts, and I think that's just incredible, that young man is going to go to the Military Academy. So with that, I'm done. Thank you, President Constantine, Kimmich, or Lockhart. Well, there's just not much left. No, no, no, no, you did great. We had the final value adjustment board meeting for last year wrapped up. Thank you always to Clerk Molloy's team that handles that whole process. They are unbelievably detail-oriented and always looking for ways to improve the process and working with the property appraiser. And it's just, they do a great job. And thank you to Commissioner Dilawri for serving as chair of that board for this last year. Pleasure. Attended the legislative update luncheon like many of you did a couple of weeks ago here at the Hilton in Altamont. I will be attending the legislative update in Winter Park, for the Winter Park Chamber, in a couple of days. And I will be very anxious to hear the different delegation members, so I'll be comparing notes and hearing what the message is like down there. So looking forward to it. Glad that they are going to let me cross the border the other direction and go participate in their Orange County event. Of course, we talked about, oh my goodness, I crossed off a lot of stuff. Great groundbreaking for Fire Station 25 yesterday. Thank you all so much for being out there. It was a fantastic event. And so it was so heavy. So we're getting ready to start the groundbreaking. We're standing. I don't remember if it was the national anthem or we were just doing the pledge. And all of a sudden, we all hear the telltale squealing of the brakes and the crash and the pop. And Commissioner, we all looked at each other and went, oh no. And Commissioner Zembauer, of course, in his area of expertise, goes, yep, that was an airbag exploding. Another job for me. And then, you know, the lights and sirens. And it was just not that we wish ill on anyone because it's tragic any time someone is in an accident. But it was so meaningful to be able to realize that this very active corner is now going to have a station right there to be able to respond. There's a lot of activity in that part of the county. And they have needed this new fire station for many, many years. So congrats to the folks who will be staffing it and the community who will be served by it. I also wanted to mention Saturday was the 13th annual Unity Day in East Altamont. It was held at the Lily H. Green Community Center and the Wynwood Park. It's sponsored by Step Up Generations, which is a nonprofit that is actually led by a Seminole County teacher. She was a former staff member at the Boys and Girls Club, left that job and became a teacher and loves that community so much that she has devoted countless hours and efforts, fundraising, to bring all sorts of community partners out there. It was every resource that you could possibly imagine was gathered at the Lily H. Green. They had music and a DJ and hot dogs and hamburgers and all kinds of fun stuff. But the best thing, one of the best things. The hamburgers were good. The hamburgers were good. Did you go? Yes. I must have missed you. One of the best things was I got to meet a young man who was a Lyman High School graduate, went down to Florida International University, graduated, came home, started his own nonprofit, teaching people how to grow food. And he has several community gardens, one at the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ right there in the community. He's looking for other partners to come alongside him. He also has a business where if you want to hire him to come and start a garden at your home, he'll walk you through all of that, design it for you. He's just a go-getter, great young man, very excited. So be a hero. Find a hero. Shoot. I'm going to get the name. And I'm going to remember. Nate Jefferson is his name. And I will find the name of his nonprofit again before we leave so that I can tell you all to look up his nonprofit because I was so impressed by him. Senator Scott and Congressman Mills will be holding their annual Academy Day at Seminole State College on April 18th from 930 to noon in the Automotive Training Center showroom. That those opportunities happen all throughout the state. And so for us to host here at Seminole State College is wonderful for them to have those Academy Days here. Those are for students to be entering our military academies like Commissioner Constantine mentioned earlier. And finally, bless you. Sorry. I'm tight. Okay. The flags that are on our dais, we had them out at our last meeting, but I just wanted to point out, these are the America 250 flags that are sponsored by the Daughters of the American Revolution. And you have one at each of your places here on the dais. And it is wonderful to be able to celebrate and continue to commemorate at every meeting the fact that this year is a very special year for our country, turning 250. And today, I said finally, but I lied, today is National Gardening Day. And it promotes everyone starting their own garden, growing things, whether it be vegetables or flowers or just things that can help uplift your spirits. So plant a seed. Tomorrow's National Tax Day. That was my finally. But I reserve the right when I find this young man's name to have that be my finally. All right. Commissioner Dilawri. Thank you, Madam Chair. First, I'd like to ask Commissioner Constantine a question. You mentioned Wecava Island and Earth Day. Earth Day is the 22nd, which is a Wednesday. Yes. I believe you're speaking on Friday. Yes. Which is the 24th at 7 p.m. Correct. And the topic is going to be protecting Florida's water and land, correct? Correct. I'm bringing this back because the last time you spoke at Earth Day at Wecava Island, you did such a phenomenal job. It was amazing. So I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say again this time. Thanks, Bob. Also, on March 28th, the women's all-star basketball, volleyball team was at UCF. Commissioner Constantine and I were there. It was amazing to see not the crowd, but the crowd. I mean, it was big, wasn't it, Lee? Yes. And then also I've been told by, asked to bring this up from Commissioner Matt Morgan from Longwood. It is the fourth annual City of Longwood Walk for Autism Awareness and Inclusion, which will be on April 25th at 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. And that is in Ryder Park. That is the end of my report, Madam Chair. Thank you, Commissioner Zimbauer. Thank you, Madam Chair. Today is also National Pecan Day and National Donate a Book Day, but it's also Administrative Professionals Day. So thank you all very much for everything you all do on behalf of the county here as administrators. Of course, we all were at the Midway Drainage on 325. After that, I attended the Duda family 100th anniversary and opening of their new corporate office in Oviedo. I've asked for a proclamation to be entered, you know, as a local family here starting out in the celery business, and now they are internationally farming, and, of course, they're in so many different things now. So it was a great, well-attended, Commissioner of Agriculture was there, and many others were there in attendance for that as well. On the 8th, I attended the State of Construction in Maitland. Commissioner Constantine was there as well. Associated Building Contractors, Central Florida, sponsored that event at the Maitland Civic Center. Of course, Rolling Hills has been already mentioned, so I won't go to that. At the Fire Station 25 grand opening, I won't go into that. On the 16th, the Oviedo Women's Club Scholarship and Teacher Grants Awards ceremony will be at 6.30 p.m. at the First Methodist Church in Oviedo at the Fellowship Hall. Also on the 30th this month is one of my key fundraisers for the community, which is the Golden Eagle Dinner. I hope you all may be able to attend. That is on Thursday, the 30th of this month. And of course, tomorrow is National Tax Day. Give away your money. That's right. But I also want to bring your attention to a tragic story in case you have not heard it. I don't think it's shown up in the news yet. But you've probably noticed a good portion of my district has State Road 46 within it. And of course, a couple other commissioners, State Road 46, as it gets more into the urban area, transects it. But we continue to have, unfortunately, fatal accidents occurring on State Road 46, you know, between the county line and Geneva and so forth. But unfortunately, a 24-year-old mother lost her life last night or early this morning that was carrying a baby along State Road 46 and was hit by a vehicle. And keep the baby in your prayers. The baby supposedly is going to be okay, but the mother is deceased. But this is another reason why I've been so vocal. We don't know the whole story behind this one, so I'm not going to, you know, think that we do, but this is why I've been so adamant about why it's important that State Road 46 improvements need to be considered through FDOT. And I've spoke to FDOT about that, not only from that aspect, but it's also an evacuation route for those on the East Coast. And it's about the only one that has not been four-laned or improvements. So people that are in that geographic area either have to go all the way down to Highway 50, all the way up to New Smyrna, to come inland if 46 blocks is Tulane Road. The EMU stays contained, so it's not running around Geneva. So that concludes my report. Thank you very much. Well, thank you. So just so that we all feel a little bit better, today is not Administrative Professionals Day. It's the 22nd this year, so we were close because we were all feeling pretty bad about forgetting it. Jenny's just a little bit ahead of the pack there. I saw Tricia panicked. We did the Midway Groundbreaking Ceremony. Thank you for everyone who attended that. That is truly exciting that we have actually turned dirt on that project. I did, so at the Seminole County Legislative Session, Representative Banks mentioned that there was an economist that did a study on the economic impact of, I don't even remember what bill it was. Property taxes. Property taxes. Thank you. And I did secure it, and I did share it with you. It is speaking points. It is, so perhaps they gave me the wrong thing. I will go back and ask again, because that is not an economist report on property taxes. So just know I'm not going to let that go. Good. I did attend the 25th anniversary of Seminole State College, Robert and Jane Lee Oviedo Campus. It was so nicely done, and it's amazing that it's been 25 years. That seems like it was yesterday. I had the chance to stand in for Guy, and I really hope never to have to do that again, because he gave me specific speaking points to make sure that I was on target for the impact of simulation, the simulation industry in Seminole County. And so it was a really good, good morning Seminole. The team that did all the speaking did all the work, and he is a hard act to follow, and I don't want to have to do that again. I do have an update from the Sanford Airport Authority Board. Allegiant is growing. They are acquiring Sun Country. This is good news for the Sanford Airport, because Sun Country does have international flights. That does not mean that we're getting international flights, but it does mean that now Allegiant has international flights, and we are one of their best partners, so let's hold out hope. Some of them go out. There are flights that go out of Goa for Sun Country, and there may be opportunities for us there. One of the interesting things that I learned in that meeting was that fuel is obviously, the cost of fuel is obviously drastically impacting the airlines around the country. Allegiant is actually in a better position than most airlines around the country, because they own their fleet, and their fleet is a newer fleet. And so they are in a different capital and cash position to weather the storm of higher costs. I thought that was very interesting. They also operate under a same passenger count and fewer flight model, which absolutely helps them to gain competitive ground when they're in this environment. The airport CEO, Nicole Martz, has asked that she be kept aware of what's happening with the JPA with Sanford, and I've relayed that information to the county manager in the For the Record category. I'll skip on to two more fun topics. I did do a ribbon cutting for the Holy Zoo Barbecue Grand Opening, and I would tell you it was the food. The zoo? Well, it was packed, first of all, but the food was amazing. It was crazy amazing, so I would say check it out. It's in Longwood on the Ronald Reagan. The Bronx House did their annual event for ROM, and they raised in excess of $15,000, which is 50% more than they did last year, so citizens continue to go out there. 100% of the cash receipts for the day, it's not the profits, go to the organization, and it includes gift cards, so I'll just say that is an amazing thing. How many gift cards did you buy? A lot. You bought three pizzas. I bought three pizzas for a year. Yeah. We eat there anyway. The food is delicious. At the CFX board meeting, I did run into Secretary Tyler, and he did share some information about the rest stops that we all know. The construction on our rest stop is going to be the first that starts. As you all know, I was very adamant about I don't want to be the only rest stop on I-4, but they are staging them. Ours is starting first. There is a different ground requirement from an engineering perspective on ours that will take longer. Volusia will follow shortly after ours. The idea is that they will open at a similar time. And Orange County is now funded and moving forward as well. And he committed that he would stay close on communication with our team. So I'm going to give a shout out for a very huge thank you, because I literally pestered him for the entire first two years of my time sitting on boards with him. I think he was trying to get a seat moved away from me, but they heard, they listened. It's pretty awesome. I would tell you that there was also a presentation at CFX done by FDOT, Will Watts, who's the COO, Assistant Secretary. And I think there's a process called progressive design build that is, I'm sure you all are aware of it from the other boards that you're sitting on. But what it is netting for FDOT is increased competition on their RFPs, more bidders are responding, reducing cost overall. There is a higher cost for design that we'd have to learn how to get okay with, but a lower cost for the overall project. So I bring that to all of our attention that it may be something that we all want to embrace. This one is for Commissioner Constantine. Lake County State Road 516, that's a CFX project, is piloting in-road charging. So if Commissioner Constantine, once that road is open, is riding up and down it, we'll all know why that's happening. As his battery drains to get back home. As his battery drains to get back home. But that is exciting. It is exciting. It is exciting. An R417 airport connector has officially been named SR552 Seminole connector. There is a process for that, as you may know. Commissioner, is that not, I think it's just a prototype when you were talking about the charging, they are finding a way to charge for that. So the folks that have, we have to find alternatives for the gas tax because that's reducing and there's so many more electric cars that this might be another alternative to getting more money. I just wanted to say that as Jay is sitting here giving me a hard time because he's not getting any money yet. The roadway is going to be very interesting maintenance. Yeah. Yeah. It's a whole interesting thing. All right. The last thing I'll mention is that Seminole County Chamber now has over 800 members. It's the largest the organization has ever been. It's a testament to the organization. They do a lot of work. They are a great advocate for us, and I congratulate them on getting to that stage. I would point out that today is also Dolphin Day and National Look Up at the Sky Day in case you need to look random out on the street. There's a lot of that going on already. There's a lot of that going on already. And the last thing I'll close with is that for our firefighter and paramedics, they've had a tough couple of days with two fatal incidents, and just know that you're in our hearts and prayers. Absolutely. Wishing for a hero. Commissioner? Wishing for a hero. I just wanted to, I think, as far as Rescue Outreach Mission, aren't they having a rescue on the runway? They are having a rescue on the runway on the 24th. Thank you, Commissioner Constantine. And it is a fundraiser and tickets are, actually, I will tell you, that event is a really fun event. It's this year, last year it was Rescue on the River, this year it's on the runway, it's at the hangar that is the big bar. It's a hangar. Not that big. There's a better way to say it. So I would encourage you to buy tickets and attend that and support Rescue Outreach Mission. With that, that concludes my report. Is there any public comment that we have not heard yet today? No, ma'am. Any of it. I do want to make sure you did hear me. So the name of the non-profit is Wishing for a Hero. His business is Garden Bros. It is Nate Jefferson. And if you look at my Facebook page, I have shared his flyers so that you can go to his information directly. All right. Thank you. Love a young entrepreneur who likes gardens. With that, we... Can I adjourn now? Well, I mean, yeah, if you want. Okay. Meeting adjourned. Thank you. Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good... Have a good...