Welcome to Pinellas County Code Enforcement Special Magistrate Hearings. The Special Magistrate is charged with conducting hearings to determine whether an alleged violation of the county code has occurred. In order to meet that obligation, all parties and representatives will be allowed an opportunity to be heard on matters relevant to the alleged violation of violations. Any witness offering testimony or presenting evidence will be required to swear or affirm that the testimony that it provides the truth. The order of presentation will begin with the county presenting their evidence of the alleged violation. And the respondent shall present his or her case. Both parties shall have an opportunity to cross-examine all witnesses. The Special Magistrate may question any witness. The clerk will announce the names of the case from the agenda. When you hear your case called, please respond by coming to the podium with your representative and or any witnesses to be sworn in. When addressing the Special Magistrate, please speak clearly into the microphone. Any person who decides to appeal the decision of the code enforcement Special Magistrate with respect to any matter considered this hearing will need a record of the proceedings. And for such purposes may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made. You can call the first case. Good afternoon. My name is Nicole Riley, and I am the Deputy Clerk for Code Enforcement. Item number one, Department Code Enforcement. Matter. Motion to remediate. Case number, CCM-22-00055. Officer B. Hughes, owner, Fisher J. Scott. Notice address, Fisher J. Scott, 507 11th Street, Palm Harbor, Florida, 34683-4402. And B. Hughes, Special Magistrate Officer, Pinellas County Code Enforcement, 631 Chestnut Street, Colorado, Florida, 33756. B. Hughes at Pinellas.gov. Violation address, 507 11th Street, Palm Harbor, Florida, 34683-4402. Scott Fisher. Please come up. Could you just state your name into the microphone, please? Good afternoon. My name is John Scott Fisher, and I live at 507 11th Street, Palm Harbor. Thank you. Officer? I'm Officer Hughes for Pinellas County Code Enforcement. Okay. Is there any plenary matters, or are you ready to put in your case? Do you have a plenary matter? I have a motion. You can hand it to the clerk, I guess. I apologize. I got a family emergency this morning, and I'm a little kind of distracted trying to recover from it all. Have you filed this or given this to a... No, I haven't. We give her a little time to read this, and you can sit down, officer, if you want. Magister, do you want to call a recess for a little bit, like five minutes, or... Yeah, let's take a five-minute recess. I don't know if I would have addressed this today. I'll probably accept it, though. Okay. Do you want to call the other... Communications, please stop recording. Thank you. Please please start recording. Mr. Fisher, if you could come back. I've read the motion, and I'm going to proceed with the case. I'll rule on the motion. If you want to make arguments on it, I'll let you do that when you produce your case, okay? Okay, so don't make an argument against the motion. No, you can do that at the... You're not going to have you do your case, and then Mr. Fisher, you know, do his case, and then I'll give you both an opportunity to argue any of the issues there. Okay, thank you. And I'll rule with it when I will on the case under advisement. So, Mr. Fisher, they're going to proceed. I presume put some documents in. I presume you've seen those documents. He's received a copy of them? Yes. Yes, you hand me... Okay. All right, hold on one second. If you could both raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony we give today would be the truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Okay, and if you put on any additional witnesses, we'll swear them in. I see, Mr. Fisher. Okay, so good afternoon, Magistrate. Again, my name is Officer Hughes with Pinellas County Code Enforcement Division of Pinellas County. Pursuant to Chapter 2, Article 8 of Pinellas County Code and Chapter 162 of the Florida Statutes of Pinellas County is seeking a motion to remediate the code violations against the following recipient, Mr. J. Scott Fisher. The property in which the county is seeking remediation action against is located at 507 11th Street, Palm Harbor, Florida, 34683. The property is located in unincorporated Pinellas County. The county would like to submit into evidence the motion to remediate the violations, which consists of a history of the case and the attached exhibits. This would be the motion with all the attachments? Yes, sir. Okay. Mark that county one. You're going to go through it first. Go ahead. Okay. So we've got the notice of hearing with today's date for scheduled for 1.30 to Mr. Fisher. Excuse me. And we also have, I apologize, we've got the notice of hearing, gift to page. And then we've got the signed motion to remediate the code violation for the trash and debris violation, 58-304, by the housing official who is present today. Okay. The next exhibit is exhibit A, which is Canals County property appraiser, showing Mr. Fisher as the owner of record, the warranty deed. And we have the notice of hearing for the case back in 2022, showing that Mr. Fisher was notified for the trash and debris violation. Then we have the affidavit of violation and request for hearing, showing that they were requesting to take it for the code section 58-304. Then we have the order assessing compliance, or excuse me, the order assessing an administrative fine until compliance is achieved. It's Mr. Fuller's order, which is August 29, 2022, right? Yes, sir. I believe at that time he made the same arguments that pretty much were in the motion that he provided to you this morning or this afternoon, and the county's bill failed. I'll give you time, but just don't do these here. We'll be trying to argue that later. Yes. Then we have the affidavit of noncompliance and the lien that was filed due to the affidavit of noncompliance. When I prepared the motion, these are the photos that were taken on March 12th of 2026, showing the exception. These are the 2026? Okay. Yes. Got it. So basically the property's been in violation of code section 58-304 for the trash and debris and intended overgrowth, and it's pretty much been in violation the entire time. So as a result, when I did a re-inspection on March 12th of 2026, these are the photos that evidence that it's still overgrown. So there's overgrowth all around the structures. There's sedentated debris on the property. Then there's just overgrowth over the entire property. Does anyone live in the property? According to Mr. Fisher, from what he told me, and he can obviously testify to this. No, just what's your understanding? I was told by the neighbors he did not live there, and it's been confirmed by him that he does not live there. Okay. He's trying to get the big picture here. Go ahead. And, again, there's more overgrowth just over the entire property, more examples of the overgrowth. So I did visit the property again on April 16th just to see if there were any changes, and there were not. I'd like to exhibit our... Well, how about we mark that first one, C1? You're going to move to rent to evidence, right? Yes. I had previously marked those as exhibit G, the other photos, but I can change it. That's not a problem. Yeah, well, mark the whole package C1. C1. With the photos. Okay. Mr. Fisher, do you have any objection to C1, which is all the documents the officer has been testified to with the photos in March? Sir, if you're going to speak, can you please come up to the microphone? Thank you. Several concerns. It seems that the code enforcement officer repeatedly... Those photos haven't been submitted yet. Okay. These are the ones that have? These will be next. No, sir. You don't need to... Well, do you have any objections to C1, which is the documents and the March photos? Well, yes, I do, because they're showing the county right-of-way, and she keeps presenting that as being my property, and I've contacted the county on numerous occasions to mow or to fix it. Is that all the photographs? Pardon? Is that all of the photographs of a right-of-way? Well, a lot of them are on the right-of-way, and she keeps indicating this is mine and that I'm doing this, but it's not. And there's also some pictures, for example, here, under the historic preservation, there's a definition under exterior. So any exterior storage or any exterior pictures has to be taken from the county right-of-way. It's in the definitions. So this one here looks like they're over in front of the neighbor's yard looking in, and I know in the past they've gone down the neighbor's yard and looked into my backyard where I have a shed like 50 feet inside. I'm just talking about the documents in front of us. Right, yeah, I have... You're objecting because some of them are of the right-of-way? Sure. I don't. She says these aren't submitted yet. Do you have the pictures? It's being submitted now. I want to know if you have an objection. You can always come and grab it. These are the only photos that have been submitted yet. Okay. Mr. Fisher, if you can keep it on the seal so that everyone can see it. Thank you. Okay. The first one here, this is the county right-of-way. Further back is my property. It's a historic property. Part of the definition was the natural landscape reminiscent of historic Palm Harbor during the time of the house. This looks like it's taken from the neighbors. This is definitely taken from the neighbors. Under historic exterior, it must be taken from the right-of-way in front of the property. This one here is also taken from the neighbor's yard, not in front of mine. As well as this one here, it looks like they've gone down the property line and looked into the property. This, too, here is from the property next door. It's not from the county right-of-way as required under the historic preservation. Again, this one is the same thing. This one, this one, this one is all taken from the neighbor's property, which is prohibited under the historic definition of exterior. All this is the county right-of-way. I'm sorry. All four of these pictures here are from the county right-of-way. When you say from, you mean that's where the pictures were taken from? No, they're pictures of the county right-of-way. So she's repeatedly saying that. I guess I see a building in here. You're saying all these pictures. That's my house in the background, yes. Okay, so a portion of these pictures is the right-of-way is what you're doing. Correct, correct. So back here is my house. It's a picture from in front of the property on the right-of-way. But most of the pictures that are taken of the overgrowth is from the county right-of-way. Let me show you. You say from the right-of-way. You mean of the right-of-way. I'm sorry, of the county. I'm just trying to follow what you're saying. It's of the county right-of-way. So I've contacted them on numerous times to ask them if they could come and move the right-of-way. I'm not into the argument of the case. Is there any other objection to your picture outside of the fact that some of these pictures are of the county? Some of these pictures are of the right-of-way, which is fine. Okay, do you have any other objection? Some of them are taken from not in front of my property, which is prohibited under the historic preservation. The exterior definition is very clear on the matter. Okay. Go ahead. I'm going to accept C1 with the photographs into evidence, okay? And you can make those arguments if you want, if you feel they go to the heart of the case. Go ahead, officer. Okay. So let me put this back with that. Okay. So the next set of photos I have are, I guess we'll make C2, if that's okay. Yeah, please. And they are just more photos taken on April 16th, and I would like to submit those into evidence. April 16th? April 16th of 2026. Okay. So the first ones were March. I have June. Okay, so next or April? Yeah, the next or April. Okay. The first ones were in March. I'm trying to go in chronological order. No, go ahead. I just got a whole bunch of pictures. And I don't know if, so I would like to submit them into evidence. I'm sorry? I would like to submit C2 into evidence. I've got the April, the two of them. Go ahead. Okay. So it's nothing new. It's basically just showing that the property still has a large amount of overgrowth. So there's just two pages showing that there's still quite a bit of overgrowth on the property. And those are C2. Mr. Fisher, do you have any objection to C2? Thank you. Yes, sir. Please come up to the microphone. Thank you. Yes, again, they're taking pictures of the county right-of-way that I have not responsible for. I've got a large property. This is the county right-of-way. This is the county right-of-way. Mr. Fisher? Mr. Fisher, I apologize. If you could just keep it within those, the seal. It's good. I can see it. Okay. Okay. So again, here, this is all the county right-of-way, the county right-of-way, the county right-of-way. So a lot of the overgrowth is from the county, not necessarily from mine. Where mine is, it's a landscaping. It's a natural historic landscaping. It's not wild or crazy or anything like that. Again, this is the county right-of-way. And this is, this might be further inside. This is all the county right-of-way. And again, they're taking pictures. It looks like they're taking some of these pictures from not in front of the property. But you can go ahead and accept them, I guess. Okay, I'm going to accept the C2 with the evidence. Okay. And actually, the pictures he was just showing you, and I'm going to give back to him because these are his pictures, were actually the last set of photos I wanted to submit, which are from June 10th. Now, you say these are his pictures. I'm not following you here. Aren't these your pictures? Yes, sir. I'm sorry. The pictures he was just talking to, I hadn't submitted yet. But the ones he was showing you, I haven't offered into evidence yet, so I would like to offer them. They weren't the same ones as you just showed me a minute ago? No, sir. That's not B? He wasn't going over B? C2, I think. C2, I mean. Right. So these are the last set of photos, the most recent time I've been out to the property on June 10th. Hold on a second. Are you following this? So he, he, he brought up the wrong set of pictures. C1, with the date of pictures, C1 has documents and March pictures, okay? That's C1. Yes, sir. Is that correct? March. Yes, sir. Okay. C2 should be. Hang on. Let me do this. Okay. C2 is photographs of April. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. We just took that into evidence. Yes, that I marked it. Okay. So now you're up, you want to, C3? Yes. And the only clarification I was trying to make was, those were the photos he was just showing you. I'm well aware of that. I marked them and accepted it to evidence. So we're accepting C3 now? No, I haven't done C3 yet. Right? Am I missing something here? You just did C2. He objected. I said, okay, taking it to evidence. Now we're up to the June pictures. I believe there is a confusion because Mr. Fisher showed photos of, was it C3? Yes. So instead of objecting or anything to C2, he showed C3. He was showing C3. Yes. That's fine. I got that. I presumed that. I didn't have a problem with that. That was his objection. Go ahead. You can do C3 now. Okay. So let me go ahead and. I can mark him already, C3? Yeah. Okay. You're going to mark him. You can mark him. Yes. I mean, it's his objection. He wants to show other photos, you know. Okay. So he mostly showed most of them. I'll just go page by page just to get into the record. It's just the same photographs of the overgrowth. All my pictures have been taken from either the right of way or with the permission of adjacent property owners. So again, just overgrowth over the property. You can see all the way back to the structure. More vegetative debris. During the taking of any of these pictures, officer, has any efforts, has anything been cleaned or did the broke road move? No, sir. Okay. Not that I've noticed. Okay. And just again, more overgrowth, more debris, more overgrowth. Mr. Fisher, do you have objection to C3? If you could come up, if it's the same objections you want to put that on for the record, that's just fine. You can just say it's the same objection. For the record, yes. A lot of them are shown, as you can see. Here is the mailbox. The mailbox is on the county right of way. All this stuff here is the county right of way. All this is the county right of way. All this is the county right of way. She keeps presenting it as being my property. It's not. Again, the county right of way. All this overgrowth here is the county right of way. You know, as you can see, there's moss in the trees. That's natural for that type things. And she's indicated, and I guess I can have time to say that I've done nothing. That's not true. I have not received any notice. We're just here on the photographs here. You'd like to have plenty of time to put on your case. Yes, sir. And again, I object that some of these appear to be taken off side of the property, that even if she gets permission to the neighbors, historic preservation is clear about the exterior, and that has to be from the county right of way. I accept C3 at the evidence. Okay. So the property does continue to be owned by the respondent. The petitioner has an interest in the property by virtue of Pinellas Code Enforcement Special Magistrate Lien in the amount of over $20,000. The lien is accruing daily fines in addition to interest. The petitioner provided the respondent with notice that the property was found to be in violation of the county's ordinance. The petitioner provided the respondent with notice that the property remained in violation of the county's ordinances after the respondent was afforded due process and given a period in which to cure the remedy of the violations of the county's ordinance at the property. The respondent had actual or implied knowledge of the process and procedures employed by the petitioner, its code enforcement division, and special magistrate for imposition of the code enforcement lien. The property has remained in continuous noncompliance for more than three years following the magistrate ruling, and no efforts have been made by the respondent to bring the property into complete compliance with the executed order. The respondent was present during the hearing for the trash and debris code violation, which is why we're here solely for the trash and debris violation. And I would just like to put on record that the intent, it is hereby declared due to the urban character and population density of the county that the excessive growth of accumulation of weeds and similar plant material, or the accumulation of debris or their noxious material upon property situated in unincorporated area of the county is contrary to the public health, safety, and welfare, in that such growth or accumulation creates a haven or breeding place for snakes, rats, rodents, and other vermin, or like similar character, creates a fire hazard to adjacent properties and creates a traffic hazard at road intersections within the county. It is therefore deemed to be in the best interest of the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens of the county that such growth and accumulations be prohibited in accordance with this article. Magistrate, based on the evidence in the motion, the county requests that you issue an order granting Pinellas County the ability to make all reasonable repairs to bring the property into compliance for the trash and debris violation and charge the violator with reasonable cost of the repairs along with the fine imposed. I don't know if you'd like me right now to go into why I don't believe this property being historical has anything to do with the maintenance. I'm going to let the due argument last, if you don't mind. Sounds good. Any other witnesses, I presume not? At this time, no, sir. Thank you. Oh, hang on, Steve. Mr. Fisher? The officer has testified as to certain facts or whatever. Do you want to ask her any questions regarding anything she's testified to? Yes. You said that the original was trash and debris, correct? That's what this code case was for. It was 58-304 trash and debris. And that had to do with the fencing and stuff that I had on the side of this garage, correct? Which has been cleared and has remained cleared to this day. Is that not true? The only evidence I have seen, and I don't see any dates on there, is that the property has had the trash and debris violations since this went to magistrate. And to me, this looks like there's overgrowth anyway on the property, so I'm not sure what. So I've never seen that this property has ever been in compliance, if that was the question. Okay, and how do you know that it's never been in compliance? Because I've cleaned up the yard multiple times. We're in a southern subtropical area. The stuff grows. I've had numerous trees die between the storms and everything, and I get out there and clean them up as much as possible. And I'm concerned also that... Can I answer that question? Sure. It's my understanding that a property owner is required to contact our office to let us know if a property is in compliance, so we can come verify that and close the violation. Okay. I was in compliance from the original code inspector. Go ahead. Do you have any questions for us? We need plenty of time to argue. You say that I've done nothing in three years. Is that correct? I'm saying the property is still in violation in three years. And now it was in violation from what y'all call exterior storage, trash and debris. Okay, and now you're saying all this stuff here is overgrowth. Okay, the property was the first house on the block. This stuff has been there for along the fence line. Mr. Fisher? Yes? I'm over here. You need to put the photo so it'd be shown so the magistrate can see it. Thank you. Okay. I have since cleared all this out. I had submitted... Do you have any other questions for us? Okay, yes. Has not all this been cleaned out? Not that I'm aware of, no, sir. Okay, so do you have a picture that we can show that it has been possibly? That would be up to you to bring a picture showing it's cleaned out. So you're saying that the property is unsafe, either for the neighbors or for us, whoever's at the property, correct? I'm saying that the code defines that any untended growth, it creates a public safety, yes. Hazard, a danger, a safety issue. Okay. So have you contacted the county administrator to give them this information? No, sir. It's gone to the enforcement process. Okay. And the code enforcement process is initiated by you or somebody in your position, a special magistrate administrative division code enforcement person, is correct? That's who initiates these hearings. We request the hearing, yes, sir, and then it gets scheduled. It was requested by the special magistrate code enforcement. Now, prior to this, the original incident began with a regular code inspector, is that correct? Not a special magistrate administrative division enforcer, but it was from a standard, regular, is that correct? I don't have knowledge of how the complaint was started. The incident that it began is an incident in 2021, and it's been out of compliance ever since, but you don't seem to have that information or not. Do you have any questions for her? Okay. So you don't know who initiated this thing, this process? The case back in 2022, I do not. And how do you not know who initiated it? Is it not in the paperwork? How does she not know something? That's going to be a real hard question to answer. Okay, but you have said you have not contacted the county administrator to notify on that there's a safety issue regarding the structure. Is that correct? This has nothing to do with the structure, sir. Is that a no? Is that a no, officer? What's that? Is that a no? That's a no. Okay. You haven't contacted the county administrator? No, I have not. Regarding unsafe issues, okay. All right. I guess that's it. No further questions to her? Now, in the previous hearing, you had said I did not have homestead. It was only questions concerning her testimony here today, sir. Here today. Okay. All right. Thank you. Is this mine or I think it's mine? Do you have all the exhibits? I don't. They were using them, so I'm not sure. Is it marked? I think this is mine. Is it marked? No, it's not. Okay. Then it's yours. Thank you. Yep. That's it. Thank you. Hang on, Mr. Fisher. You're going next, so it's your case now. Officer Hughes, if you can just lay them out here. Mr. Fisher, you are free to use any of the exhibits as well if you need to show them or anything. Okay. They're going to be here. Okay? Okay. Thank you for the opportunity to present. Now, should I present my... Let me go ahead and give you a little back history about this, if I may. Go ahead. Okay. Back in 2021, the property to the north of me had been sold. It was in process of being cleared and, I think, resold to have somebody build on it. While that was going on, there was a tree in the back that was past its lifespan. It was not a live oak, but what they call a laurel oak. So, I was trying to get it cut down, and during the process, I took down the fencing. So, I had submitted a certificate of appropriateness while this whole process was going on with the county, and I was waiting for a response. So, but in the meantime, I cleared all the fencing down. For the majority of it, I cleared all the fencing down. I cleared all the overgrowth in the right-of-way, or not the right-of-way, but the hedgerow, you would call it, that had been there for 23rd since I bought the property. So, you know, all of a sudden, they cleared the lot to the north. All of a sudden, you can see it. I didn't want it there because I wanted to clean out the tree in the back, so I needed it to get the stuff out. So, I was in the process of waiting for the county to respond. Technically, they didn't respond within the 30 days, so I could have gone ahead and put up the fencing without their approval, but I'm trying to work with the county. When you're historic, there's no point in getting in an adversarial situation. So, I think that's part of the reason why there's nothing in historic preservation about fines and liens and special magistrates and stuff like that. So, while I was waiting for that, so I had worked with the standard code enforcer, and I was in complete compliance with what she wanted. She wanted the trash and debris, which was the fence post and some fencing that was along in the side of the metal garage, so I moved them out of view. Okay? She was fine with everything I had done. All of a sudden, when she was signing off and everything, the special magistrate code inspector showed up out of the blue, had never been involved. A special magistrate code inspector? Yes, so they were different. So, the first one who I had worked with for six months and had cleared all this out, she was aware I had a certificate of appropriateness, which is what I'm supposed to do. I was following the law that if I want to replace the fence with the same material, I had to get their permission. And I was in the process of waiting for the guy, the staff person in planning that takes care of that. So, what they did actually was they made me tear down a section of that fence that had been declared historic, and they were from the original homestead of the property. So, I had the original fencing on either end, but I tried to work with them, especially the initial one, and so I took it down, and that caused me that when the guy came out to look at it, he couldn't see the original fencing, so he denied it. I've since resubmitted it. He seems to indicate that I had pictures of it, that that should be enough for the confirmation. So, I'm looking for permission to replace the fencing on the north side of the property line, okay? And basically, what I'm saying is this special, not this one, but another one popped up, like at the last day of the thing, and said, oh no, you've got all this other stuff way back on your property, 50 feet. And it was a piece of some architectural components that I was saving and trying to keep out of the rain, and nobody could see it, except they were coming on the neighbor's property and looking far back into the property, as again, which I don't believe is allowed in this story. So, because of that, then I went to this hearing, and after this hearing, I never got a copy of an order. I never got a copy of a lien or notice or anything, and that's been sort of typical. That, but I guess, as far as all this goes is, I want to work with the county. I want, there's special incentives. I can get a variance from overgrowth, because it's historic. I can present a request and get a, I'm eligible for it. Going through the special magistrate, I lose out on all these things. Even though I've given up certain, and they've placed restrictions on what I can do with the property, in return, I get special benefits, which includes waiving of zoning and variances. I can get fees waived for permits. There's a long list of stuff that I'm eligible going through preservation, chapter 146. Once it gets to the magistrate, special code enforcement magistrate administrative division, it's all about expediting fines and liens. So they have a very limited tool chest, and they're more concerned about getting fines imposed, getting a lien imposed, and then they're gone. And so I never got noticed that there was an order, sorry, I never got noticed there was an order. And so. This would be the order assessing the fine? I did see it in the package. It was in the package. I'm trying to determine you keep talking about the order, and all I'm asking you, is this the order assessing the daily fine? So it's a yes to that. Yes. Yes, sir. I saw it in the package, the hearing notice. So I've never seen it before then? No. Where do you live, sir? I live at 50711 Street. Back in early 22, my mom fell and broke her hip. I just asked you where you lived. Yeah, I live in 50711 Street. How long have you lived there, sir? I've lived there. Okay. So that's your address, and that's where you get mail. All my mail, my car, my everything, my bank. Except go ahead. Everything. So it really started to fall apart once the special magistrate. But like I say, they never sent me notice. They never sent me the order or anything like that. I thought it was taken care of. I cleaned it up. I've cleaned up that backyard several times. It's just things grow fast. And the property is historic. When they declared it historic, a lot of the great part about it was there was a live oak tree stand. So there's about 12 live oaks. There's an understory. There's sort of the historic as it always was. And it's maintained. It's landscaped. And I haven't been able to do the county right away. So you didn't know anything about this order being entered. I have the order on the front page here, Exhibit D. It says that you appeared at the hearing. I was there at the hearing. So you knew about it. I knew about it. And that's why I cleaned everything up. So you knew about it. Did you know what the results of the hearing were, the $100 a day fly? That was only if it didn't get taken care of or something. By a certain time. Right. How did you know that? I was at the hearing. You were at the hearing. And they made the decision right then, right? The $100 a day fly. But I never got anything mailed to me. And I never got anything notice of lien. I thought I'd have been taken care of. I cleaned up the backyard. You know, there was some stuff that had grown up since I had done it previously. I thought it was all taken care of. Go ahead. So I have since resubmitted my certificate of appropriateness to get the fence put back up that I took down because of the tree. I'm hoping to hear on that shortly. But my concern is that they're not following Chapter 146, what they're supposed to do. If there's ever an issue with a historic property, if there's a safety issue or any danger or anything like that, they're supposed to notify the county administrator or, under the definitions, his designee, which in this case, I believe, is Kevin McAndrew. And they're supposed to notify him. And then, generally, they work with you to resolve any outstanding issues. Generally, property that's historic, you work together with the county because you're hoping to get some of the benefits that you're eligible for. You know, so if they say, well, the county right-of-way is ours, but we still want you to clean it up, then I would try to clean it up as time permits. But, you know, I've gotten older, and it's a lot harder, so I've got to focus on stuff on my property before I start going up and clearing up the county's right-of-way, you know. And if anything, it's a danger for line-of-sight. Trying to pull in and out of the yard, it's hard to see because the county's overgrowth. But they don't seem to be interested in remediating that. And that's my concern here is on this remediation, that what they want me to do is to clean the county right-of-way and pay for it. I'm well aware they want to go in and hire, I presume, private contractors to do the work and remove... Okay, which I have... If you could just let me finish, sir. You realize that Section 58304 is not just trash and debris, but it's the accumulation of weeds or other plant material. You understand that? Correct. That's what they're trying to do here. They're seeking an order to send someone into... Right, and I've since, on numerous occasions, I've never got any notices of any of these pictures. So they've been there several times. They never gave me any indication, hey, this needs to clean up. It's back to, you know, anything like that, not once. I get a notice of hearing, but they do at the minimum 10-day notice on the hearing. They have the wrong date on the hearing. They had 2025 on the page of the date of the hearing, and then the short period of time you're allowed for discovery, they had the same 2025. And then I go down and I start reading it, and it looks like, well, they didn't give me my due process, because they're supposed to either do a posting or a publication, which they did neither of. So then I call and say, well, I want to do a motion for rehearing. And the liaison just laughed and said, oh, we're going to sign the order, you can appeal it. So what I did was I took it down to the county administrator's office and asked them to give it to Kevin McAndrew, who is the county administrator designee for being this person to oversee the historic and to be told about any unsafe issues or any dangers or any problems. Well, so luckily I was able to get this rehearing, but they'd already had the hearing, minimum 10-day notice. They put the wrong dates on it, and I go, oh, that's just a Scribner error. Maybe it's a Scribner error when you make a small mistake, but on a notice for hearing, when you have the hearing date wrong, that's not a Scribner error. That's a major clerical error. So luckily I was able to get a rehearing, but I've cleaned up the property since then. And so for them to say no, I mean, it's really hard to believe. It's a lush landscape of a property reminiscent of the hills of Old Palm Harbor. Now, that's in her rebuttal. You know, I think that a lot of what she said has been very misleading, if not, definitely not accurate. But should I go into the part about my motion? I'll read your motions. Anything else? No, it's just, I want to work with the county. I'm willing to do any and everything for the county, but the code, I mean, the regular code in people are, I've never had any problems with, but these special magistrates, they seem to want to rush everything. They seem to miss... You said that already. Yeah. Anything new? No. Okay, thank you. If you could sit down first. Hold on a second. Do you have any course examination of any facts that you testify to? Truly, I only have one question for Mr. Fisher, and you've stated that it's in compliance. Do you have any photos showing that it's in compliance today? No, I don't. Any other questions? I presume that's it. No, sir. I still would like to... Yeah, I'm going to give you the opportunity. You can have a seat, Mr. Fisher. Thank you. You can stay in there if you want. Go ahead. Yeah, whatever you feel more comfortable. Go ahead, officer. Okay, so go over the motion. If you're okay, sure, you want to make an argument? Go ahead. Okay, so basically, I know that it's been brought up over and over about the property being in the historical overlay, which it is. However, there's nothing within the code that suggests that anything that's in the historical preservation doesn't need to be maintained. In fact, it does the opposite. It makes getting permits and such a little bit more stringent. However, I would like to read the code in the historical portion regarding ordinary maintenance. This is 146-8, ordinary maintenance. Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to prevent or discourage the ordinary maintenance of the exterior elements of any landmark or landmark site. This is Section B? This is 146-8A for ordinary maintenance. I'm familiar with it. I have it in front of me. Go ahead. You can read it. So basically, such maintenance and repair does not involve a changed design or appearance of material. This has, again, only to do with this remediation request, only to do with overgrowth and accumulation of vegetative matter and any vegetative debris that's on the property. It also states that in 146-8B that when the county administrator determines that an exterior of a designated landmark or landmark site or contributing property within a designated historic district is endangered by ordinary maintenance or repair, that other improvements in visual proximity of the designated landmark on landmark site or historic district are endangered by lack of ordinary maintenance or in danger of deterioration to such an extent that it detracts from desirable character of a designated landmark or historic site, they may require correction of deficiencies under the authority and procedures applicable to ordinances, laws, and regulations. And again, I believe that's more talking about the structure. The point that I'm bringing up with that code section is that the county's section for 146, which is about the historical preservation area, is to keep it properly maintained, not let it get deteriorated and unkempt and not visually in good condition. Let's see. The other thing about the historical preservation overlay in code section 138 is that it basically says that all developments subject to the application of a historic preservation overlay shall comply with the requirements of the underlying zoning district, which he has zoned R3. So there's nothing that I can find that says anything about maintaining the property, that it should just be left to be overgrown and not in compliance just because it's designated as historic. Most of his arguments that he submitted to you, his number one is regarding a structure. We're not here for a structure. Number two is regarding the structure. We're not here for a structure. Number three, I don't know how that's relevant. Let's see. I already read that basically the code for 146-8 requires that a property is maintained. Again, number six, he's talking about the structure itself. We are not here for that. I'd like to reiterate we're here solely for the 58-304 violation. He speaks in his paragraph 10 about an unsafe structure. It was deemed it was an attractive nudist by Pinellas County threatening the life, health, and safety, welfare as an unsafe structure. It was made uninhabitable at that time, but that was due to no water, and once water was turned back on, that was removed. That was from your remediation. That had nothing to do with the remediation. He's talking about, in number 11, a citation that was issued. I have not issued any citations. It went before the magistrate back again in 2022. Mr. Fisher was there at that time. We have not been notified that the property has ever been in complete compliance. There have been multiple re-inspections. Since the case went to the magistrate, it's still in violation of overgrowth, and we have no documentation showing that it's ever been in compliance. And I believe Mr. Fisher doesn't have any documentation showing that it is in compliance now or was during that time period. And I guess the last thing I would like to reserve is the housing official is here today to see if he would like to make any additional comments. Do you want to speak with him for a second? Why don't you step back there and speak with him? Do you want to have him? Is he going to be? If that's right, do you need any clarification? It's your case. State your name, please. Jude Reason, Pinellas County Housing Official. Thank you, sir. Jude Reason, Pinellas County Housing Official. Raise your right hand, just in case you testify to some facts. Do you swear to affirm that any testimony gets to the name of the truth, nothing but the truth? I do. Go ahead, sir. Certainly. I just want to provide a little bit of context and clarity on the organizational structure of code enforcement. I know the respondent in this case has referred to our special magistrate officer as if they have a direct affiliation with the magistrate office. They are not part of the division of special magistrate. They are, in fact, code enforcement employees. So I wanted to specify that are cases when they are taken from an officer, an officer one, which is a basic code officer. Once they perform an investigation and they do not reach compliance either through the low accordance violation court or other methods, the case has then referred to a magistrate officer who is a higher level officer who takes that and basically gathers up all the information necessary to bring a case to hearing before you. So I wanted to provide that context just in case there was any concerns of clarity. And then also I can offer any additional clarity on the duties and responsibilities of the housing official and where we fall into the Chapter 146 regulations regarding the authority and procedures of applicable ordinance and laws and regulations. So cases having to do with minimum housing standards, whether they be residential or commercial building basic minimum standards all fall on our division either through delegation or through ordinance, both of which this property is kind of a combination of both. So it is still considered a residential dwelling. It is in the historical overlay. However, the exterior and the overall condition of the property still falls under the jurisdiction of code enforcement through these elements. It is outlined in 146A. Thank you, Officer. Is there anything else? Do you know who initiated this code, this, or the original citation for this CCM-22? The original citation, according to our records, was brought by Officer Bruck, Officer 1, Tanya Bruck. It was then given to Officer Thompson, who was a special magistrate officer at the time, who oversaw the first hearing on this matter. Okay. And when did she take it over? I don't know the exact dates. I'd have to refer to the notes. It conceivably could have been a couple of days before the hearing. Again, I'd have to check the notes. Okay. And I've requested copies, but I've yet to receive it. So I guess with a special magistrate, you have to go through public records requests. So I'm waiting to receive some information that might shed some additional light on it. Because I know I had worked with you. Any other questions of this gentleman? Yes. Now, do you have any information about Officer Thompson and that she had signed off on all of the problems with the property? To the best of my knowledge, the property has remained in violation since the original hearing. Which was trash and debris, which is exterior storage, which has been cleared off according to the pictures. Trash and debris and exterior storage are two different code violations. Trash and debris also encompasses overgrowth. Okay, now, overgrowth is the one that's geared towards an urban environment and not over 12 inches tall of growth. And it's more to do with Pinellas County being such a densely populated and may not be applicable to a historic property that has a historic tree stand, has the native vegetation. I'm just going to ask questions of what he testified to. You want to argue with him on a legal point. So is it possible that being through the urban nature of the overgrowth ordinance that it would not be applicable to something that has a natural native landscaping like a historic property in the residential area? I'm not saying, like, downtown it wouldn't be appropriate, but in the residential area, a large property with a historic live oak, that it might not be compatible to force a 12-inch high growth or not to take into account that when the Board of County Commissioners declared it. Mr. Foster, I'm going to have to stop you here because you want to argue with him. No, I'm just trying to find out if... I'm just giving you cross-examination on any facts he might have testified to. If you want to make an argument on those things, your understanding of the law, you know, you can do it. I'll give you an opportunity to do it, but he just testified as to what he knew about the file. Okay, and can I get that name again? Is that possible? Of the original person who initiated this? Certainly, it was Officer Brooke. Brooke. Is she still with the... She is not. She is not. Magistrate, if I could just make mention, just to make the record clear, Mr. Fisher has submitted a public records request. The public records request was made this Monday at 2.18 p.m., and it's an extensive list. So he would be receiving either an estimate, and then we'll let you know, or you'll tell us if you want to fulfill it or not, okay? Thank you. Okay, thank you. Anything else? We'll have the opportunity to do a closing, or is this my opportunity now? This is your opportunity now. Okay. It's your motion to remediate, so go ahead now. Okay. So basically... Mr. Fisher knows the chance if he wants, the opportunity if he wants. Go ahead. So just for my closing, I'd just like to reiterate that just that this is a property has the historical overlay. There's nothing in the code that deems them not responsible to maintain it properly. Mr. Fisher was at the hearing for the initial magistrate hearing for the trash and debris violation, code section 58-304. He's never contacted us to come out and see that the property was in compliance. He didn't bring any evidence today showing that the property's been in compliance. And I believe the county has demonstrated that the property is still overgrown. It's been overgrown and in violation of code section 58-304 for over, you know, ever since it went in 2022. And we would, again, just like to request that you grant the remediation motion. And that concludes my testimony. Thank you. Mr. Fisher, any closing statement you want to make, argument? And could I do my case on the motion or are you going to read the motion? I'm going to read the entire motion. That's why I'm going to take this case. I'm going to be taking the case under advisement so I can read the motion and check the law. Okay. Like I say, I want to work with the county. I've tried to all along. I've cleared up the property multiple times. It grows back. But it's got shade. It's got, unlike a lot of the other properties that don't, so it's kind of overgrown. I'm concerned that they're not real clear about the mediation, that they would charge me to clean up the counties right away, because that appears to be where most of the overgrowth is occurring in the county right away, not on my property. And so I'm concerned that they're going to force me to pay for cleaning. So I have some concerns there. I've also got concerns that, I don't know if this is a lot clearing as described, because it just says remediation. So I'm not really sure what all. I've got concerns because there are some historical items that could be damaged or destroyed. There's an underlying natural landscaping that meshes with the historic buildings and stuff to show what it was like many years ago. I just, that they're not real clear about what they're trying to do. I've cleaned up the property during the storms. There's been a couple of trees that died. When you have a large piece of property like this with, you know, a lot of trees and stuff like that, trees die. You've got to clean them up. You know, that's what I do. I've done what I can. Again, I do agree. My mom broke her hip back in early 22. She went into rehab for a month. And ever since she got out, she's been unable to walk. Is this relevant to this case? This has, yeah, because they're saying I don't live in my home because I'm having to take care of my mom because I'm the sole caregiver. You've already testified, Pastor. I asked you specifically where you've been, so I'm pretty sure. You asked her. You didn't ask me. Okay, go ahead. I don't think. I heard her say a couple of things. Go ahead. I could be wrong, so I think you did. Yes, it is my home. It's my home. You did. I apologize. You did ask a couple of them. You've lived there this entire time, and you're aware, you know, of what was going on here. And you'd say you didn't get the notices, didn't get the order afterwards. I heard all that. And I cleaned it all up. It was all cleaned up. I got it, yeah. I just, you know, you tell me about your mom. I'm not sure how that has to do. How's that going to be relevant for this? Well, she's saying I don't live there, and I'm not there most of the time because I have to take care of my mom. So I'm trying to get the property. I'm trying to get it where it's handicap accessible so I can bring my mom over so that I can keep a closer eye on the property and everything. But, again, regardless, there's nothing in historic preservation about fines, about liens. The person who wrote it did a very good job, and what they were trying to do was make sure that historic property was adequately protected and that historic preservation, the maintenance and minor repair provision kind of covers everything that they've been trying to do. And they bypassed it, trying to use some small little overgrowth or something to impose fines and basically try to destroy historic preservation property. In fact, I won't go on on the rest of the stuff. You've been very patient. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to consider the public portion of the hearing closed. I'm going to take it under advisement. I want to read some of the, you know, I believe we have 20 days to have a rent of an order. It will probably be a lot quicker than that. Okay. I'm going to send it to your address at the property, right? Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I've never got anything about, more recently, about any time frame about getting things done. We're done. Okay. So do I have... Public portion of the hearing is closed. We're done. Thank you. Thank you, Magistrate. Thank you, sir. You want a five-minute break or something? Communications, please stop. Take a five-minute break. Everybody go with that. We'll get right to your case. Is that okay? Communications, please stop recording. It's not running out. You can call it whenever. Good afternoon. My name is Caroline Gonzalez, and I am the deputy clerk for Pinellas County Construction Licensing. Item three on the agenda for 2 p.m. today, rescheduled from June 15, 2026, Department PCCLB, Matter Unlicensed Contracting Code Violation, No Permit Code Violation, Subcontracting Code Violation, Advertising Code Violation. Case number CLB-MG25-00152, CLB-MG25-00151, CLB-MG25-00150, CLB-MG25-00149. Citation numbers CLB-CT25-00040, CLB-CT25-00041, CLB-CT25-00042, and CLB-CT25-00043. Defendant, David Simpson, notice address, David Simpson, 8151 Simpson Place, Zephyrhills, Florida, 33544. And Simpson, David A. Jr., 3905, Briley Loop, Lando Lakes, Florida, 34638, SimpsonConstructionFL at gmail.com. And Larry Thomas, 13496 Oval Drive North, Largo, Florida, 33774. L. K. Thomas at verizon.net. And Kirby Kreider, Esquire, Assistant County Attorney for PCCLB, in care of Natasha Creedon, Legal Secretary, Pinellas County Attorney's Office, 315 Court Street, 6th Floor, Clearwater, Florida, 33756. Kay Kreider at pinellas.gov. N. A. Creedon at pinellas.gov. Violation address, 7600 Sun Island Drive, Unit number 601, South Pasadena, Florida, 33707. Mr. Simpson, Ryder, I guess. For the record, Your Honor, this is Mr. Thomas. This was the investigating officer at the time the citations were issued. Oh, okay. To perfect the record, I believe that we are, it's my understanding that we are here today solely on the issue of whether or not the citations were properly noticed. Historically, Mr. Simpson did not, the citations went uncontested. The magistrate entered a finding assessing fees and costs because they were uncontested. Subsequently, Mr. Simpson is alleging that he didn't receive proper notice. So it's my understanding that that is the discrete issue that we're here to address today. That's my understanding. This is ill for suit with Code Enforcement. So he's retired, but he was. He was. Yeah, PCCLB investigator. Retired. Yes. Okay, if you could just put your name onto the record. I'm going to, go ahead. Larry Thomas, PCCLB investigator, retired. Okay, and Mr. Simpson? David Simpson. David Simpson. Okay, I'm going to swear him in just in case there's anything. If you could both raise your right hands. Do you swear or affirm that any testimony you give today would be the truth, nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. No, may I let you go first, Mr. Simpson, but let me hear what their position is first, though, okay? Might make it a little easier. Go ahead, then, Ms. Carter. Tell us what your position is on his report. Yes, Your Honor. I mean, our argument is pretty straightforward. It is that this was sent certified mail. It was returned to sender, but it was also additionally sent via regular mail. This is the same address, the 8151 Zephyrhills address that Mr. Simpson is currently responding to, has been corresponding with the Special Magistrate's Office regarding not receiving notice. So, from the county's position, this does seem like service dodging. And I'm not going to belabor the point. I do have, if the court wants to see it, the clear report that shows this as the driver's license address. And I also have the return to sender proof, if the court wants to see that. But I'm not going to belabor the point. It's very straightforward. We think that this was proper service. I noticed in the file that his license is at the Land O'Lakes address, McRiley. This here. Yes, and I have the clear report that shows his driver's license as the 8081, right? Yeah. And then, if the court's willing to see that, I can see that right now. Yeah, could I see that, too? Do you mind if I... I'm inclined to grant that Mr. Simpson first? Yeah, let him see it first. Yes, Your Honor. Picture? No, so, if I may. Yeah. This is just the, we call it clear, the service that they use to run. And this is, the highlight is showing that's where they got your address from. Okay. And that's, just hold that. Is that, I think I, yeah, put it over there. Yes, sir. Let me see. I think I know it. Is that up, is that face down or first? So, I'm... No, I can't see it. Oh. She's not sure. Oh, there you go. Yeah, that's what I thought you were talking about, right? Possible addresses. Okay, got it. Yes. That's exactly what the clear report is. Okay, I see both of those. That's why I'm inclined to grant him what he wants. If the court's inclined, I'll go ahead and mark this, and I would offer it into evidence as Exhibit 1, if the court would accept it. You can put it in, if you want. Thank you. This is the front half of that, too. Show that. So, we'll do a composite exhibit. Yeah, the two, yep. Let me show it to Mr. Simpson first. The court will mark this. The other way. Right. Yep. And I'll do C1. Yeah, now, you're going to make one C1? The one... It's continuous. It's continuous. I'm sorry, I was using C as composite, so... Yeah, this is page one, that's page two. Right. Okay, so that's... This is page one, which is to my right here, okay? It says David Simpson, Land O'Lakes, right? Yes, so I'll mark this one. Okay. So, it has two different addresses, one in Zephyr Hills and one in Land O'Lakes? It says Land O'Lakes there, right? At the top? Yes, correct. I mean, the... Yes. Right. I don't think this was done intentionally, okay? It just seems like there's two addresses. I understand. I'm not... I just so on... Yeah, I'm not trying to play any games. Yes. So, I'll mark this as counties one, it's two pages. Right. I'll put the one on my right on top. That'll work. That's acceptable. Do you have any objection to that, just for the record, you put it in there? It helps me. I have no objection. Crider? Yes. Just to let you know, we're going to put the exhibits here, and then whenever any of you need it, you guys can come and take it. You don't have to ask. Thank you. You're welcome. So, this is... And we have testimony that Mr. Thomas had interacted with Mr. Simpson multiple times. He was aware of the citation. He was aware of what was going on. I'm happy to put on that testimony for Your Honor. He was sent notice to his driver's license address, the address that he is still using to this day, to correspond with the court. And this was gathered from the clear notice there, the C1. Yes. Okay. And that's my argument. Okay. Not the cross, but just the... His license is at the Land O'Lakes, right? Is this in the file also? Yes. That's true. It is. Mr. Simpson. Thank you, sir. I hope it'll be quicker than the previous gentleman. My address has been Land O'Lakes. I've owned that house for eight years now. It's on my license. It's on my business listing. It's on my construction license. Land O'Lakes has been where I live. I haven't lived in Zephyrhills in 10 years, 11 years. So I'd never received any paperwork of anything. I knew that I had spoke to Mr. Thomas some time ago. I knew that they were doing something. I had no idea what was actually taking place. Do you own the property in the Zephyrhills? No, sir. Do you know anything about that? I own the house on Briley Loop. Briley Loop, the Land O'Lakes address. Right. But the one in Zephyrhills, do you have any connection to that address? Sir, that's not my address. Okay, so you didn't get the citation. No, sir. You had some conversations later. You knew there was citation somehow? I went to renew my license with Pinellas County April or May of this year, and I noticed when I went to upload the documents that there was some violations on there, and that's where this stemmed from. Ms. Pride, have anything you want to argue with that? I'm inclined to grant it in light of those facts. I would just argue that under Chapter 22 of the special act, it is the burden of the contractor to keep their license updated with us because we can only send the notice where it dictates. But I understand that you're inclined to grant it. When you say updated with you, being Pinellas County? Yes. As opposed to the state? Seems updated here. Right. So if that's... If I may? Sir, since I started contracting, it's been at Briley Loop. It's never been in Zephyrhills. When I originally got my license and registered with Pinellas County Licensing Board, when we had to do the registrations, it was still with Briley Loop. There's never been any other address, no mailing address, no PO box, no anything that I ever used. Anything else, Ms. Crowder? No further argument. I appreciate everyone being frank. I'm going to reset this for a hearing on the substantive matter of the violations, and we have a date, right? The next hearing date for... Sorry, please. If I could separate or grab my calendar. Yeah, that's fine. It's somewhat unusual, you know, with the two addresses and stuff. I signed the original order. June 24th, so our next circle of death is going. Yeah, I think it's going to be the second week in July, is my guess. Is it the second... It's July... I know July 13th we have it, and I believe... July 13th, I think that's the date for... It's a Monday and Friday that week, right? Yes, and I believe Pinellas County... I can check right now and give me one second. I'm so sorry. Because I'm going through our calendar and our system, and it's... Circle of death. And then also, just so I'm clear for my records, the address that we should be... If the attorney's office needs to contact you. Yeah, I'm going to get into that in a second to kind of put it on the record, what address it's going to be. So it would be July 13th, we can set it at 9 a.m. or 10.30. We have cases on both dockets. So the 9 a.m., so the 10.30 is the... It is, it's Pinellas County... Oh, it's code enforcement, right? No, it's Pinellas County Construction Licensing Board, but we do have numerous cases, so we did some at 9 and then some at 10.30. Oh, okay. So how are you doing that? Whatever. Yeah, we just feel that everybody doesn't come in at 9 and then just has to wait. Got it. Mr. Magistrate, there is a video, too, so if that helps you decide what you need to do, there's going to be a video shown. Okay. We can do it whatever... Honestly, Magistrate, if it is allowed, it's what Mr. Simpson and... I would request that this court sets it in the afternoon because I do intend on playing the video once we get to the session of the merits. We have that at 1.30, because we'll have the morning dockets and then 1.30? Yes. So everyone's good from 1.30. We just make a note of that when we do and we don't go past, you know, 12.30 or whatever. Okay. Perfect. So 1.30 on July 13th. And then both parties, please let us know to our emails. I believe you both have our emails to see if you guys have any additional witnesses you would like to provide. Let us know so we can send them the proper notice or the order, actually, granting the re-hearing. Okay. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I don't know if you two can work it out before then. That's up to you. Is that possible? Do you want to open that door? I mean, that's obviously up to my client, but it's always in the scope of something that, depending on what the facts bear out, that my client is going to entertain. Do you know who to speak to, Mr. Simpson? I'm sorry? Do you know who to speak to if you think you can work it out? I can try to work it out. I'm open to that, absolutely. If we could put addresses on the record, though. I'm getting ready to do that. I have not let that go. Who would Mr. Simpson contact? Carolyn, you? Look, I'd like to talk about it. Who would you contact? I can be the, well, Ms. Riley is the PCCLB liaison, so if he would contact Nicole Riley, which you've had our office. Okay. Yeah, you've spoken with both of us. Okay. And then she can direct you, because we do have former investigator, retired investigator Thomas, so we will probably give you in contact with either the housing official, who is the division manager, or another investigator. There's four citations. Investigator Padgett. You know what I mean, you might not want to admit it in open court to one of them, but maybe if you work it out, maybe that'll work for both sides here. I'm not, you know. Ms. Kreider, let us know. It's investigator Padgett would be the contact person, so you can contact Ms. Riley, and then she'll put you in contact with Padgett, okay? Okay. And please, Mr. Simpson, place your address on the record where you'd like a little communication to go. 30905, Riley Loop, Atlanta Lakes. Riley Loop. And we also have your email address, so you'll be receiving. Correct. Yeah, you're receiving this order via email, as well as certified mail, and regular first class mail. I like to call it snail mail, but to be official, first class mail. And that's SimpsonConstructionFL at gmail.com? Yes, sir. All right. Perfect. Anything else? Nothing from the county. Yes, sir. All right. We'll consider it as a matter of, a clue for today. See you every couple weeks. All set. Communications, please stop recording.