well today. We will start with invocation led by Commissioner Nowicki and the Pledge of Allegiance by Commissioner Scott. Heavenly Father we come before you with grateful hearts thank you for the blessings of this county for its beaches and bays its neighborhoods and small businesses its families and faith communities and for the freedom we enjoy as Americans we know every good gift comes from you. As we gather today we ask above all for discernment give us eyes to see clearly ears to hear what is true and hearts that can tell right from wrong help us look past pressure noise and easy answers when the path is unclear slow us down and guide our steps help us weigh every matter carefully test what we are told and hold fast to what is good remind us that we are servants not masters we do not sit here to rule over the people but to serve them the authority we hold is borrowed and every dollar we spend and every rule we make belongs to the hard-working people who sent us here keep us mindful of the family stretching its budget the senior on a fixed income and the young person hoping to build a life here let us spend their money carefully as they would bless our deputies firefighters first responders and all who serve and protect this community watch over them and their families bless our county staff and give them strength in their work we ask this that we decide today's honors and you deserve to serve the people of pinellas county in your name we pray amen amen allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay um before we get started i want to recognize sergeant jim campbell corporal clyde thornton deputy mike wynnick and deputy tom manley um a couple of other gentlemen who are here uh thank you for your service not only to this county but to our meeting uh that you do every time we have a meeting and gathering so thank you gentlemen i also wanted to uh extend a happy birthday to ian mclaughlin from our b he's our bts techie dude uh helps us stay straight but uh thank you wherever he might be raise oh there you go thank you and a happy birthday to you um and um commissioner flower should be joining us shortly just a heads up and commissioner peters will be joining us as soon as she can but she'll be joining us virtually so when she's available we'll vote to allow her to participate at that time we do have three presentations uh one will be veterans day proclamation a second will be national animal shelter appreciation week uh proclamation um after our last meeting and the presentation that we had um on one of our land use cases i asked the staff to review not only the process but the entire thing to scrub it we'll have a short presentation at that point to talk about that process and what we found through that and then we'll open it up for citizens to be heard if you have any questions on that just make sure you ask it we'll take records of that and get back to you with answers we won't be doing interactive during the meeting but certainly want to hear if you have any questions on any presentation item and our staff will make sure that we get those and get back to you um let's see i think that is it and we'll go ahead and start with the presentations today's first presentation is about uh all about our veterans and about uh um our veterans day coming up on november 11th um and we're going to highlight our pinellas county veterans services so we're going to run a video first on that and then we'll have some folks come up and i'll mention that in just a minute so let's let's watch the presentation first my name is marvin last night i served in the u.s army marvin and i got together because he was removed from service around 70 years ago and he believed he needed to be service connected for something that happened to him in his service time something moved them to call up and figure out how can i get something done the knolls county veteran services we actually represent our county residents that are veterans or even the survivors or dependents of veterans us being veterans this mission is super important to us and the fact that we get to serve our brothers and sisters at arms but also secondary to that is providing a value to our taxpayers last year in fy25 for every one dollar spent on veteran services funding we returned 13.57 cents a federal dollar back into the county we had an economic impact of 9.3 million dollars the majority of those benefits will be paid to that veteran or the surviving spouse every month for the rest of their lives if you don't know about these benefits or if you're unsure about the benefits call us up and just have a conversation just jeremy just did things that i had no idea how to do i mean it was incredible he wouldn't let me fail over a period of time and it took about two years of running things back and forth uh we eventually got him uh service connected at that hundred percent permanent total so that now he's taken care of so i'm going to invite up some employees from our veteran services department who play that instrumental role in the lives of our local veterans uh first michael schwanger director of veteran services amy gerhart veteran services officer two jeremy bayless veteran service officer scott glazer veteran service officer michelle marshall office specialist and annette mcfee office specialist uh thank you for being here today and just as a special note um i sit on the veterans engagement board it's a board made up of organizations in the in the area uh and our our charge is to represent the veterans uh when we're talking to bake uh not bake here uh uh thank you uh bay pines um and and it's it's an amazing interaction uh we've done a lot of good for our our veterans but at the same time it's a good two-way communication piece um and we started that in 19 or excuse me 2015 um and it's been an incredible organization a lot of people been involved over the years father bob swick uh brett miller um not a lot of folks uh that have been a part of that and when you're chair and vice chair of that committee an extra amount is put on you and so i'm very proud that michael schwanger our director is now being been chosen as the next vice chair of that organization a lot of work to do but i appreciate that leadership good for pinellas county but also good for our board so thank you um yeah thank you for generations millions of americans have answered the call to serve taking the sacred oath to defend and preserve our nation's ideals of liberty and democracy these patriots represent the best of us on veterans day we honor their service dedication and valor and are forever grateful for their sacrifice our nation has a sacred obligation to properly prepare and equip our service members when we send them into harm's way and to care for them and their families when they return home pinellas county government remains committed to ensuring our veterans have access to that support and resources for a future of security opportunity and dignity pinellas county veterans services division remains steadfast in their mission to ensure all pinellas county veterans and their families have access to benefits provided by the state of florida the united states department of veterans affairs and other government services in fiscal year 2026 the veterans achieved a record year of service assisting three thousand and three residents delivering eight thousand nine hundred and eighty two services and representing veterans and their families and thirteen hundred and fifteen individual claims before the veterans benefits administration aletha allen u.s air force jeremy bayless u.s army amy gerhart u.s air force scott glazer u.s marine corps michelle marshall nanette mcphee and michael schwanger u.s marine corps demonstrated exceptional dedication and professionalism in the ensuing and ensuring that their brothers and sisters in arms receive the highest standard of representation their steadfast commitment reflects the significance of their mission and stands as a testament to pinellas county's community-wide value for the service and sacrifice of our veterans now therefore be it proclaimed by the pinellas county board of county commissioners that november 11th 2026 be recognized as veterans day certainly here in pinellas county good afternoon my name is michael swanger as you know and uh thank you so much let me speak this morning i want to say thank you so much to the the residents of pinellas county and their support for pinellas county veteran services and this commission thank you i just want to give a little update on this proclamation the fy numbers are finally in so i want to um with great enthusiasm want to share some of those numbers in this last physical year um our program has been around for 78 years and i can say this is probably one of our strongest years on record we um so far economic impact for this year is 9.6 million dollars we have about a set a little over 760 claims still processing so we're estimating it'll be a 14 to 19 million dollar a year and the important part is we only report these numbers in a 12-month window so we're only counting for 12 months of that impact but the majority of these benefits will last with the veteran or the surviving spouse for the rest of their life you know with every approved claim represents only monthly income but expanded access to va health care prescription drug coverage home health services nursing care and more directly shifting financial burden from our veterans to the federal government these benefits also open the door to vital education opportunities not just for the veterans but their families as of today for every single dollar invested in pinellas county veteran services the return on investment has been 13.73 and that number will grow as these claims are processed every day our office has been open we've provided an economic impact of 39 000 in fy26 we served over 30 000 veterans provided over 9800 services and we our final number for claims is actually 1615. in the 11 years i've been with this department i've never seen this match we practice veterans law a field that is both legally and medically complex wrapped in one of the most challenging administrative systems ever created yet this team of veteran service officers and office specialists meet that challenge every day with resolve urgency and precision they know that every claim represents far more than paperwork it's a fight for earned benefits dignity and stability to those who have served their advocacy is not passive it's active vigorous and purpose purposeful driven by outstanding driven by the understanding that every behind every claim is a life family and promise to the made by our nation and a commitment to our brothers and sisters in arms we have the privilege of serving the bravest residents of our county men and women who step forward to defend our values and our way of life this team honors that every single day so thank you so much for this phenomenal team you guys are phenomenal thank you we're going to do a picture right but i don't tell anyone section you know the commissioner thank you appreciate it thanks again thank you oh by the way thank you whoever bailed me out on the hospital name because i would have been getting a call if it was if i'd gone with bay care so i appreciate that all right we're going to go on to item number two which is our national animal shelter appreciation week and today joining us to help celebrate national animal shelter week is jennifer renner who's our director of pinellas county animal services along with staff colin collis mckenzie program manager cody roper education education support specialist sandra singletary program manager um yeah program manager lieutenant or lieutenant taylor walton enforcement supervisor and wendy cynic certified veterinary technician i knew you weren't talking about me when you said ah um a veterinary technician and of course apollo who is with us here and very adoptable so you all if you get like if you have a hankering or your spouse isn't here and you want to sneak another dog in please uh feel free we thank you all for uh for what you do for animal services of pinellas county along with the volunteers and the volunteers are amazing and there's always opportunities to for that in 1996 okay who's who's messing with the lights deputy in 1996 the humane society of the united states launched the national animal shelter appreciation week to acknowledge and promote the invaluable roles shelters play in their communities and to increase public awareness of animal welfare issues and shelter services and honor the dedicated and compassionate people who work at them dogs and cats are an integral integral part of the quality of life of our community with an estimated 550 000 pet dogs and cats living in pinellas county animal shelter employees must respond to the needs of the community keeping animals and humans safe from harm animal shelters make communities better places to live taking stray or dangerous animals off the streets and out of harm's way shelters also help both animals and people in many ways by returning lost pets to their owners rescuing injured animals educating the public and matching homeless animals with loving new families animal shelters receive important donations of money goods and volunteer time to assist in their important mission now therefore be it proclaimed by the pinellas county board of county commissioners at the week of november 1 through 7 of 2026 be recognized as national animal shelter appreciation week thank you and just to show you the level of dedication we have of our employees we have one employee who's retiring on december 4th and it's done deal so there's no trying to get her back so i really want to recognize sandra singletary if you'll wave your hand please after 37 years of service to pcas unbelievable and i heard a lot of the details at an event we were at the other this past weekend um but i'll let um our director uh to come on up jennifer if you will and say a few words please and here's the uh proclamation for you thank you yes as chair chair eggers mentioned i'm jennifer renner director of pinellas county animal services and i really appreciate this honor from from chair eggers and the commission as well national animal shelter appreciation week recognizes the dedication of animal shelter staff and volunteers who work tirelessly to protect care for and find loving homes for animals in need in our community it's truly an honor to work alongside such a dedicated team we care for nearly 7 000 animals that come through our doors each year but our work also extends beyond the shelter walls we're proud to offer community programs that support residents and their pets including low-cost vaccine clinics affordable microchipping a pet food pantry and spay and neuter vouchers these programs help fulfill our goal of keeping pets with their families by reducing those barriers to pet care however when the animals do come to the shelter many of them sick or injured our medical team deserves special recognition for the compassionate care they provide every day tending to their medical needs providing specialized surgery and helping them get the treatment and attention they deserve our enforcement team also plays a vital role they're available 24 7 protecting public safety and animal welfare and helping residents navigate challenging situations and finally i want to give a huge thank you to our incredible volunteers whether they're walking dogs in the blistering heat or the pouring rain whether they're bathing and grooming animals tackling the mountains of laundry that we have at the shelter or staying up all night to feed those bottle those bottle baby kittens they make a tremendous difference in the lives of the animals in our care in the past year alone our volunteers contributed over 30 000 hours of service to the shelter which is such an extraordinary gift i'm very proud of this team and what we accomplish every year they um you know i just i love that we have this opportunity to recognize the people that are so dedicated to accomplishing our mission so thank you very much to the team members that are here and the additional 50 team members back at the shelter and nearly 150 volunteers that we have dedicated to us every every single day so thank you and one of the programs that we get to participate commissioner scott kind of started us off on it a couple years ago uh is to the commissioners get to go out into the community and get pictures with dogs that so we try to get them adopted so uh so so far we've been doing okay um yeah so good okay so we we just keep at it so today you're marketing this little puppy this apollo that's looking over at a couple of you right now so happy you're looking all right okay um anyway uh just wanted to thank you each uh we're going to take a picture take this up front and we'll gather around the director listen you want her at the front you all take apollo right up front yeah the suggestion was that we're going to turn apollo loose and whoever he goes to you have to take it Everybody look at the dogs. No, all the humans look at the dogs. Try it. Up here. Hollow. Matt, go up and down. Roll over, Matt. Just take something good. Oh, that's cute. Not interested. Oh, you got it. I'm home, so my commission's looking at the dogs. It's all right. That's okay. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. What's that? Chris wanted a dog. No, I'm good. Yeah, yeah. Commissioner Flowers, go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So I was sworn to secrecy at the time, but I just want to recognize Ms. Singletary. She was one of the individuals who agreed to allow me to interview her when I was working on my doctorate. And so she did a wonderful job. It was, you know, it takes some time to ask all the questions and give the answers. She did it on her own time, y'all, not on company time. But when we talked about longevity and whatnot, she did mention she was looking at retirement. So I had to hold it all that time. And I did since 2024. So I just want to publicly say, I know I said it when I was working on it and after I interviewed you, but I want to publicly say thank you so much for helping me because individuals like you got me across that finish line. So thank you. Okay. Thank you for those kind words. And we're going to go on to our third presentation. Barry, I'm going to turn that over to you. Okay. And I'll ask Michael Schotterbach to come up and, Pete, if you'll put the presentation on. So, Commissioners, there's been a lot of confusion regarding the land use case that occurred on October 13th. This was actually a map amendment. And so I was monitoring a lot of the public records requests. And that's where I noticed there was a great deal of confusion between when the land use and zoning case occurred, which was in June. The land use and zoning case was approved unanimously by this board in June of this year. The item for the October 13th meeting was simply a map amendment. So the final step in that process. So there was confusion regarding when notices went out, what's required by the ordinance, et cetera, and stuff. So I asked Michael to come up and just walk through that to where everybody can have the same information as we go into public comment. Thank you. Go ahead, Michael. Thanks, Barry. Good afternoon, Commissioners. Michael Schotterbach, zoning manager. Speak up, Michael. Make sure you're really speaking into that thing so we can hear you. Yes, sir. So I'll start off at the highest level to kind of give the background on the terminology we use. So there's a federal law. It's called the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, also known as ARLUPA. It's federal law is what prevents state and local governments from enforcing land use laws that restrict religious exercise, that treat religious assembly or institutions less favorably than non-religious assembly, that discriminate against any specific religion or denomination, or prevents the states and local governments from outright banning religious assemblies, or unreasonably limiting them within a specific area. Based on this federal law in 2019 and in discussion with the county attorney's office, the staff submitted for the Land Development Code to be changed to Meeting Hall Community Assembly Facility, which defines both religious and non-religious uses and facilities. So community halls, reception halls, places of worship, all go under the label of Meeting Hall or Community Assembly Facility. Now we'll get into the specifics of the case. This is a breakdown of the public hearing process. When an application comes in, land use, rezoning, there are three public hearings. We have the local planning agency. We have the Board of County Commission. And then if there is a future land use map amendment involved with it that also will change the countywide map, it will go to the countywide planning authority. And you can see the dates that those took place. May 13th was the local planning agency. They recommended approval 6-0 on both the rezoning and the land use case. Who make up the local planning agency? Local planning agency is a seven-member board. That's appointed by the county commission. And who are on there? Who are the types, the people? These are, it's citizens. You put out, you know, a book can apply. We usually have people that have varied backgrounds from development to real estate. We have some former local officials that are on there, attorneys. Okay, thank you. I just want to give a flavor. Yeah, it's a wide variety of, but usually tracks people that somehow have a history with development. Then on June 16th, the county commission heard both the land use and zoning case. That was approved unanimously, both of those items on that date. And then the last item, because this had a land use change. I'd like to hear what the public notice process was for that. Yeah, I'm going to get into that. So, he's going over the cases. So, the land use went to the countywide planning authority. That's the one that came before you on October 13th of this year that had a 5-3 vote for approval, or 4-3, excuse me. So, the public notice process, in which I'll dive into this in more detail, this shows just here is what we do for the notice requirements for each type of meeting. For the local planning agency, we have a mailed notice, a newspaper advertisement, and a property sign posting. For the county commission, we do another separate newspaper notice. The mailed notice and the property sign cover both local planning agency and board of county commission. One more sec, yes, Commissioner. When you do the mailed notice, who does that go to? How far around the property does that go? By state statutes and our code, we're required to do a minimum of 250 feet. In this case, we did 300 feet. That's a radius surrounding. This one, it went to approximately 16 properties. And so, on that, I'm hearing some people acting as though, and I'm believing them. I'm not saying that acting is the wrong word. But believing they didn't get a notification. Our requirements are to make sure that we send it to the appropriate addresses. Correct. And so, if they're not getting these, what can they do to make sure that we have the right addresses? Because, obviously, you mail it, you put a stamp on it, and you hope that the post office delivers as required. Correct. So, it sounds like some didn't get it. We use the property appraisers. The property appraisers is our best available data. So, we use the current property appraiser data for mailing addresses. Okay. All right. Go ahead. So, then the countywide planning authority, that is under the countywide rules, countywide plan. They have their own separate noticing process. They have a newspaper notice that was published for the October 13th meeting. And their staff is here if you have any additional questions that come up on the countywide process. And according to the state statute and our regulation, no property sign is required for that hearing. That's correct. Okay. I want to make sure I get that out there. So, we'll dive into each of the notices in detail. So, for the property sign, sign was posted per our code. It's posted on East Lake Drive from which the property's main access. It contains the same information as the mailed notice. It was placed on the property on April 16th, and that was done by county staff. County staff handles all the noticing requirements. We do not. A lot of jurisdictions will have the applicant required to do it. County staff handles all the notices for all of our cases. So, a sign is required for both the LPA hearing and the Board of County Commission hearing. So, as long as that sign has the notification info, we only have to post it one sign that covers both hearings. And just to clarify, I know there was some questions on there was no sign posted on Keystone Road. That's where it's addressed. Our code does not require to be posted on the addressed side. Our code requires a sign to be posted. It has to be posted along a frontage, either a public frontage or a private frontage. We post it along the East Lake Drive frontage, which is where this property takes its main access from. For the newspaper and the mailed notice... Hold on. Commissioner Nowicki, you had a question. If you had a specific to that item. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you, Chair. How do we determine main access? I mean, because their main sign is on Keystone Road. So, like, if this was their main access, why wouldn't they have their sign there? I mean, does code define main access or is that up to staff interpretation? So, this property, it's... Their two-way entrance and exit drive is on East Lake Drive. The driveway that's on Keystone Road isn't currently an exit only onto Keystone Road. So, that's why this one entrance up here is a main entrance into the property. It would be their only entrance by what you're saying. Yeah, if this all, you know, approval, site plan approval, one of the conditions in there was removing the Keystone Road access for safety. So, this would ultimately would be their only access. We also do have requirements per county by our public works for accesses. You're supposed to use the road of lesser designation. If you have access to East Lake Drive, which is more of a local road compared to Keystone Road, access should be taken off of that. And that's for safety purposes. Well, that's a separate issue. That's a separate issue. Yeah, that's... Yeah, I disagree with that. That's not... It wasn't part of this, so... Okay. So, there's no code or statute definition to define main access? Correct. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. All right. So, for our mailed notices, these are sent, again, to the property owners in the required radius. Those went out on April 20th. Again, we use the property appraisers, records, addresses, mailing addresses on file. They went to properties within a 300-foot radius. 250 feet is the minimum required by code. These mailed notices covered both the LPA and the BCC meeting, May and June. For our newspaper advertisements, we run separate ones. We run an LPA ad that ran on April 29th for the May 13th hearing. And then we run a second newspaper advertisement for the Board of County Commission meeting. Countywide Planning Authority, they also, for Pinellas, has a newspaper advertising notice for their public hearing, which was done on August 26th. That was for your October meeting. So, again, on the terminology that is used, the main one for this, community assembly facility. In the packet, in the staff report, it was identified as a community assembly facility, which is what is the use defined in our code that covers religious uses. In your packet, as part of the backup material, the application from the applicant, including their concept plan, included place of worship. So, they defined their current use as a place of worship, their proposed use as a place of worship. And then from this snippet from their concept plan, it illustrates as a place of worship. So, that information was in the packet that went to both the LPA, the commission. It just did not get translated into the staff report. However, the staff reports for the rezoning and the land use use the terminology of community assembly facility, which is what's in our code, and it met the requirements by law. Again, in this case, the property has been a place of worship since the early 1990s. Prior to that, it was originally built as a single-family home on the property, acquired sometime. It has been a couple different places of worship. The current owners of Al-Rahman have owned the property since 2012. They currently are going through this proposed redevelopment to the buildings functionally obsolete. It was a single-family home. It's been modified a bunch of times. Now, they're looking to have a facility that then actually meets requirements and code. This will improve site conditions on the property. You'll get better stormwater treatment. You'll get improved pedestrian and vehicle safety by removing the Keystone Road access and not having access crossing Pinellas Trail. And then also, they'll be required to do enhanced landscaping along Keystone Road and the scenic non-commercial corridor. And I'll take any other questions you have on this. Any questions? Yeah. First, go ahead. I just have a quick question. The newspaper notice, was that in the Tampa Bay Times? Yes, we advertised Tampa Bay Times. Was it anywhere else? No, it's Tampa Bay Times is what we use. Is there any options that we can notice anywhere where people don't have to use, like, a paywall to view it online? Sure. We have, all our meetings are posted on the county website, so we have that information on there where someone can go. So the state changed the law a few years ago to allowing the option of having a website to post notices versus posting in the newspaper. We've changed our notice requirements in our code to allow that option should the county wish to pursue that. So there is another option out there. We just, the county has not chosen to go that route, which would be a dedicated website for notice posting versus putting them in the newspaper. Okay. But we could do, in the future, we could theoretically do both on our website and in the newspaper? Yeah, we could set up a posting website that we, specifically for advertisement. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I'm going to ask, there's a couple other questions, just real quickly. And where can our residents get a copy of these slides? Can we post it to our website? Yes, we can. Okay. So we'll post that. We'll add it to the agenda. We'll post that after the meeting so that they have access to those slides. And how did this process differ from other processes that we've taken along Keystone Road? This is the same process we use for rezoning and land use cases, same noticing processes we use for all our public hearings. There's no difference. The only difference is in our staff report, we used the terminology out of the code, which is community assembly facility. We did not add a further, it's a proposed, current and proposed place of worship or religious institution. But certainly the applicant and their application did. Yes. Okay. Okay. That's all I had for right now. Commissioner Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Michael. The 250-foot notice, you said that was state statute? That's state statute, yes. Do we have the option of going, I mean, we went 300 feet, but if we wanted to expand that in the future, we have the ability to do that? Yeah. We have the ability to go higher. We just cannot go below 250. Okay. And I think in that area, it would be a good idea because of the property sizes and, you know, the distance between residents up there is a lot different. Density up there is a lot different elsewhere. So I think that's something that we ought to look at, extending that a little further, even though it will be way past what state requires. But I think it's important to expand that because if some folks aren't getting this, that would increase the likelihood that at least some folks, more folks, would get that and spread the word, so to speak. So did you have anything else? Anybody else? Question before? Barry, do you have something? Well, just a final piece. I asked the county attorney's office to look at this to see if there's any legal deficiency in the way this case was handled, and there isn't. So it's very straightforward. It met all county code and statutory requirements, and so this case is complete. Okay. Yeah, Commissioner Noeke. Thank you. One last question. And so if someone, you know, to whatever our administrator just said, that's fine. But if someone's not happy with the increased development, increased traffic flow that's going to take place with an expansion, what remedies would they have at this point? With the county attorney's office? We are still within the appellate period for purposes of the decision made here, and any affected party would have the right to. Jewel, start over and slow it down just so I want to make sure everybody hears what you're saying. We are still within the appellate period of the decision that was made by the board, so an affected person would have standing to challenge the action in a court of law. I will read to you the definition of affected person from Chapter 163, which is the state statute, which is the overriding law here. An affected person for a change like this would be owners of real property abutting the real property where the proposed change occurred. So all of the notices you sent would have been transmitted to an affected party, the likes of which would have the opportunity to appeal this. Anybody can certainly file an appeal. The county would be defending it. Probably the first thing we would do is raise whether somebody has standing or not to file the appeal. But any person has the right to appeal the action to circuit court. Okay. Anything else? That's all. And at this point, Jewel, the options that this board has are? Your action is final. Thank you. Okay. We're going to, I just wanted to get that. We were going to have this original discussion at the end of the meeting, and I thought it was appropriate that we have it up front so that you all at least had a sense of what our investigation concluded. And so you can, again, if you have an additional question or two that you want specifically based on this presentation, ask it as a part of your three minutes. And our staff will get that and get it back to you. And when you state your name and address, make sure you give the address so that we know where to send the answer back to. Okay. All right. We have a few speakers that are here today. And we'll start with Gary Posh. Rudy, I think it's Meinhardt. I'm not sure, but I think it's Rudy Meinhardt will be on deck. Welcome. You have three minutes, Gary. Gary Posh, 1005 Spoontail Court, Tarpon Springs. Now, despite what we just heard, we all know that nobody in Tarpon Springs knew that this was coming. And don't New York buy Florida. That's a phrase we've heard all too many times in the past 10 years. It's become a joke. But for those of us who have lived in both places, we realize that it's nothing to laugh at. And nothing screams New York more than a secretive mosque expansion project being jammed down the throats of local residents under the guise of community center. Nothing screams New York more than a completely clandestine manner in which this was pushed through, including a highly suspect land usage change. Nothing screams New York more than a county doubling down and telling we the people that there's nothing to see here. Transparency? What's that? This project was conceived and approved in such secrecy that some commissioners were not even aware of its true intent. And nothing in the world is more New York than scared politicians who stand by and watch blatant, in-your-face favoritism being meted out for fear of being called Islamophobic. As a Tarpon residence, I ask only that all be evaluated on an equal basis, and that certainly is not the case here. Here in Clearwater, we have the lessons of history right in front of us. Fifty years ago, a religion came to town and quietly began consolidating both property and power. Politicians and citizens didn't know it hit them until it was too late. How short-sighted can we possibly be to not learn from this? It's right in front of us. Why wasn't every legal hurdle placed on this project? Why didn't our politicians, our leaders, make sure that every T was crossed and every I was dotted? Why, indeed, I ask. One thing is certain. What happens in New York eventually happens in Florida. It's just a matter of how long it takes. I come from the most diverse county in America, Queens, New York, and I've seen that all groups can coexist harmoniously only if all are treated equal. To the county commissioners, I ask that you give us all equal treatment and reexamine this project, this time with proper community input. Mistakes happen, and a little contrition goes a long way with voters. To my fellow Tarponites, I ask you to take one look at New York City, take a look at downtown Clearwater. Is this what we want for our beautiful little town? Don't let your guard down. We need to fight this as if the life of our town depends on it, because believe me, it does. Thank you. All right. You got your applause in. That's good. I appreciate it. Just try to, we're trying to move this thing along. Rudy Meinhardt is up. Yes, Meinhardt. The next one. And John Vosha, Joanne, I'm sorry. Joanne Vosha is on deck. Hi, I'm Rudy Meinhardt. Sandy and I did escape New York to this beautiful Florida, and I just want to say that this permission to expand takes the land out of the low-intensity residential rural to public, and there's very little rural land left. It's very unfair to residents who bought specifically for this purpose there. It also allows future petitioners to use this as a precedent, so expansion is going to happen. Environmental impacts are also substantial. Runoff in particular, storms will be harder to deal with and more destructive. Native wildlife will also be severely impacted. Traffic and street activity will be multiplied, adding to the detriment of our county. All the promises of doing all these wonderful things to alleviate afterwards are nonsensical. They're not going to happen. I'm here to state that I'm confused and angered that some commissioners voted to allow this expansion. These commissioners must know that they are there to work for the good of the community. The community has no idea of what was presented and how deeply it's going to impact their lives now and in the future. Commissioners surely have families in the community also. To excuse their vote by saying they don't know what was really about what was going on opens two questions. One is the deception presented to them by the applicants. The other is the callous ignorance of them for voting for something they claimed they had no idea what it was. It's like choosing to drive a car in a rainstorm with wipers that don't work. Let us not allow these developers to steamroll our beautiful county and state. Also, newspapers. They printed in newspapers. Who reads newspapers? Who gets a newspaper? That's ridiculous. That's actually ridiculous. Send it out not just to the people within 200, 300 feet of this. All the area, all of Pinellas County, all of Florida is going to be impacted. Like the previous speaker said, Clearwater, what happened to that in the last bunch of years? I wish we could redo that. Don't we all? Thank you. Thank you. Joanne Bosha, followed by Megan Christie. Hi, I'm Joanne Bosha, 1372 Overcash Drive. I live in Dunedin. America's Judeo-Christian heritage is an important part of our nation's foundation, and decisions that may affect our community's future deserve careful consideration. What I just heard to me was not careful consideration. It was a snow job. The matter involving the proposed must expansion in Pinellas County raises serious concerns about whether the process was handled with the diligence, transparency, and public engagement that such an important issue warrants. The potential implications for our county should not be taken lightly. The commissioners who approved this measure have raised questions about whether the interests and safety of Pinellas County residents received adequate consideration. Residents deserve to know whether all relevant facts were thoroughly reviewed, whether the potential consequences were carefully evaluated, and whether our elected officials fully understood the implications before casting their vote. Decisions of this magnitude should be based on thorough research, thoughtful deliberation, and meaningful public input. Our elected officials have a responsibility to exercise due diligence and remain accountable to the constituents they represent. Any decision involving a significant expansion of a religious institution should be approached with transparency, impartiality, and a commitment to the public interest. Several important questions deserve clear and factual answers. What assessments and investigations, if any, were conducted before this expansion was approved? Were appropriate authorities consulted regarding any potential security concerns? Were the possible effects on the surrounding community thoroughly evaluated? 300 feet worth. And why were residents not better informed about the process and the considerations behind the commissioner's decision? These are legitimate questions that warrant serious attention, not dismissal. The residents of Pinellas County deserve transparency, accountability, and responsible leadership. We expect our elected officials to do their homework, consider all relevant information, and make informed decisions that protect the interest of our community. Our county's future should never be shaped by decisions made without adequate scrutiny or public understanding. We deserve clear answers about how this decision was reached, and assurance that the well-being and security of Pinellas County residents remain a priority. We're number one. Megan Christie, land use designee. Celine Al-Jamal. We're next. Yes. My name is Megan Christie. I live at 3393 Bryan Road South, Palm Harbor. I'm a Floridian and a lifelong resident of Palm Harbor. I have lived in my current home for 17 years in the East Lake Corridor. I am here today to speak about the mosque on Keystone Road that recently received approval for land rezoning. That mosque itself isn't the issue, as it's been within this community for more than 10 years. The issue is the zoning change. I have many friends and family who own homes and property near this mosque. They will now be severely impacted by this rezoning. Not one of them received mailings or saw any signage on Keystone Road regarding this request. This is why no one from the community was present when the county commission made their vote on this. Turning a piece of land from residential to commercial is a huge deal for the residents that live in this quiet, serene community, as now this mosque will be expanding. How much traffic will this create? We don't know. How much noise will this create? We don't know. Let's not ignore how this will also affect property values of homes nearby due to these many unknowns. The people in this community deserve more from you. Keystone Road is a slice of heaven compared to the rest of overdeveloped Pinellas County. The residents of this community would greatly appreciate you leaving it alone and stop rezoning it for commercial purposes. I am asking you to please put this back on your agenda for re-vote now that the community has had an opportunity to speak to you about our questions and concerns regarding this expansion of the mosque. Sorry, that's my first time public speaking. Now, one more thing I would like to bring up that I learned throughout all of this is that this mosque has women-only entrances and men-only entrances. The women-only entrance is conveniently located at the cafeteria entrance, which I find very degrading. Why is segregating allowed in this county and country in 2026? Would this community tolerate a Catholic church, a Christian church, or a Jewish temple to behave like this today? I don't think so. There are many no trespassing signs posted around their property, even though they were just approved based on them being a community assembly facility. How is this contributing to the community? How has anyone, especially a woman, to feel welcomed in this so-called community assembly facility? And how are they allowed to use tax exemptions when they are openly segregating? Please make sense of this for me. Thank you. Guys, I'm asking you, please, you guys applaud. That's no problem. Just kind of keep the duration and tone down just a little bit. That's all I'm asking. I'm asking. You hear me? I'm asking, not telling. Selene, Al-Jamal, and then Stephanie, I think it's Monitor or Morton. I can't hear you. Your guidelines provide that comment should be comment, not something recorded. Thank you. Ma'am, you're going to have to stop the music. Stop the tape. Ma'am, stop the tape. Oh, easy. No. Hey, ma'am, just, hey, hey, just, hey, just escort out. Hey, enough, enough, guys. Hey, please, just please issue some decorum and kindness of your own. That's, I'm just asking. Again, we're all people living together here. That's not, we don't allow taped things. You can tape the meeting, but we don't allow taped activity like that. We ask you to come here and make comments, and that's, that was not a comment. That's why she was asked to step out. Okay. All right, Stephanie, Stephanie Morton out there, out there. There's somebody outside, outside the doors there that will get you to sign. Oh, did you call her? What's your name? Well, then, you're welcome to go up. You're up. And Ashley D. Olivera is on deck. Before I start, I'd like to know, with the commissioners, what's your definition of a community center? Ma'am, that's a rhetorical question, I'm sure. We're not going to get into that discussion today. Okay. You have three minutes. Go ahead. Okay. In regards to building permits, okay, church buildings, okay, they do not allow for residential use or commercial use. Multi-use permits do. As far as the definition of a church goes back to Greek as community, congregation. Mosque goes back to Mohammed, and that means prostate. As far as mosque, okay, mosque is for Muslims. Mosque is for Muslims only, okay, political Islam, okay. I cannot go into a mosque unless I believe in Mohammed and Allah. As far as Mohammed, okay, is what you have to believe in to go into a mosque. So their land that the mosque is on is Allah and Mohammed's land. Nobody else's, that's why they have no trespassing. And as far as the residential and the commercial, they expand. Their land is Allah, Mohammed's land. It's not your and my land. That's why there's no go zones. And Allah will continue. And mosques are built with special permits that require minarets so they can have a call to prayer. As far as political Islam, I will leave with two things. They have care. They have care. They have taqiyya, where they're allowed to lie. And they have tariyya. And tariyya is double meaning, meaning I can take my allegiance, American allegiance, but over my heart, I can have underneath my allegiance to Allah. Allah is what they go for. So just to understand, please, by Bill Warners, you got to know Mohammed, you got to know Allah. You got to know the Koran, two Korans, Mecca and Medina. Mecca, kind, gentle, that's what they use. Medina, where Mohammed becomes a political leader and a warrior. Okay, surah and the hadith. You won't learn much by reading the Koran. The surah is all about Mohammed and the hadith is about the laws. And as far as Bill Warner, go on YouTube and you will learn. But it's political Islam. We don't deal with Muslims. We don't deal with religion. There are nice Muslims. But they will use lies. They will double talk. So for all you on the commission, for future reference, political Islam. Thank you. Ashley. Ashley DiAlovera and Luann Rice. There you go. Do I stick into this? Thank you. Welcome. You'll have three minutes. Thank you. This is not about people who are individually, I'm sure, very nice. It is about the big picture and the long term. Something that you need to understand is that Islam is not a religion. It is a totalitarian ideology that has a religion. By allowing this mosque to expand in our area, you are participating in the expansion of a totalitarian ideology which is fundamentally opposed to Western American values. Expansion of the ideology of Islam is not good for women's rights. Women are extremely oppressed in this ideology. In these mosques, women are not even allowed to pray in the same area as men because they are not considered equals in this sexist, anti-woman ideology. In Islamic countries, they are regularly beaten and killed for not covering head to toe and adhering to strict so-called morality standards. It is not good for gay rights. In countries which are ruled by this ideology, they throw gay people off of buildings. This ideology is absolutely opposed to gay rights and the penalty is death. Another reason why this is bad for Western society is because this ideology is inherently expansionist and does not respect religious freedom which we hold sacred in the United States. Islam does not live peacefully with other religions. If you observe every country where Islam has gained the majority control, other religions always become brutally oppressed and illegal. This cannot be allowed to happen here. You must think forward to the logical conclusion of the gradual expanse of Islam in the United States and right here in Tarpon Springs. The end result will be antithetical to everything we stand for in the United States. This can be hard to imagine because we are in the early phases of it. But you must use your imagination because the ideology of Islam plays the long game and we must do the same. Look to recent history in countries like Lebanon where Islam was able to become the dominant force. It took over completely, brutally oppressing all others who opposed it. As elected officials in the United States, it is your sworn duty to protect our American values and not let us be slowly taken over by any totalitarian ideology. Least of all, the most brutal and oppressive one which exists on the face of the earth today, which is Islam. In your duty, you have failed. May God have mercy on your souls. Luanne Rice and then looks like Jeremy Warner. I'll be quick. I just wanted to say that I watched a YouTube video the other night of the imam talking to one of his affiliates or a friend, a doctor. And they were talking about, you know, possibility, you know, feeling loneliness. But then they said, but, you know, we just can't have anything to do with those people with the twisted, sick religions, you know. So we have to think about, you know, how wonderful everything is and, like, just hang on to their stuff. So to me, they have zero interest in assimilating with us. They don't want to know anything about our culture, our religion, and they don't want anything to do with us. So why do we, why are we wanting this in our community? I mean, the only safe thing that came out of this is that they did mention that they, you know, one man complained to the imam that he had a son that he would bring to try to get into the worship. And the son just wanted nothing to do with it. He wanted to leave. But that's probably that way because if they make the culture bigger and they get more children in there and so that their children will only be friends with these other children, then maybe, you know, they can make it work. And they have this culture, this whole community that is totally detached from us. Why are we shooting for making this a thing to happen? Why are we promoting this? You know, this is, you know, that religion is a political movement, and they will be in our government. And, I mean, you know, they believe in having four wives. Four wives, you know. That's going to promote, you know, the population a lot faster. But, I mean, how are we going to deal with that in our courts? Are we going to make exceptions for that? I mean, what is this? You know, if Ku Klux Klan came in and said they wanted to start a church, are we going to be polite with them, too? I mean, what, you know, our board of commissioners, our county owes us something to help us keep our culture. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Jeremy Warner. Jeremy Warner, followed by Julie Washburn. Welcome, both of you. Thank you. I'm Jeremy Warner. I live in the St. Pete Heights neighborhood of St. Petersburg city limits, and this is Raina Warner, my daughter. So, I'm here over the concern on Flock APR resolution. Over the misuse, error potential, and vulnerability of hacking of such systems. Internal audits on misreads are not typically done by each law enforcement agency, nor are the misreads made public. A Roseville, California internal audit of a review of 1,427 high-priority Flock alerts in 2023-2024 found that 71% involved incorrect plate reads. An LAPD two-month audit covering only two months ID'd 161 innocent pulled-over drivers after system alerts. That's a problem. Hackability, the Flock Safety experience, sorry, the Flock Safety has experienced multiple significant security breaches and vulnerabilities by allowing a vulnerable system to stay in place and online is negligent. People in positions of authority and power have stalked innocent citizens all around our country, including two in Pinellas County, one including a minor, a 17-year-old girl. Accountability at a local matter involving this 17-year-old is of grave concern to me as a parent. Not only have the deputies that are involved need to be held accountable, but those that are in leadership should also be held accountable. Taking extreme ownership of the department you run needs to be seen here, and it is not. The blame is being placed on two bad apples by not already having a system of checks and balances in place where these two deputies took advantage, allegedly, and stalked two innocent citizens, one being a minor, including those in charge. They need to be held accountable. That includes Sheriff Gaultierry and any other leadership that did not have an audit system in place to protect these two citizens. Multiple states and counties and cities are starting to see these problems and see that it's a far greater problem than bad apples. And by canceling their contracts with Flock, Axon, and Motorola, we need to follow their lead. There are plenty of other means for law enforcement agents to do their jobs effectively. And by no means am I trying to disrespect any law enforcement agent. I have a great amount of respect for police officers and the hard job that they do. But having misreads, having misuse, and hackability of these systems that are not in control, and that's been obvious, is a great problem. Thank you. Thank you. What was the year that you collected that data, or that data was for California? So the 2023-2024 was for Roseville, California. Okay, thank you. Yep. Just wanted to get that info. Appreciate it. Thank you for being here. Thank you. You and your daughter. Okay, Julie Washburn, followed by Anthony McDaniel. Hi, I'm Julie Washburn. I've intermittently lived at 124 Eastlake Drive since 2012. Make sure that speaker... Can you hear me okay? Yep, yep, perfect. Do I need to start over? That's good. Perfect. Okay. So I've lived intermittently at 124 Eastlake Drive since 2012. My ex-husband, Mark Washburn, has lived there since 1995. That property is directly across from the mosque that everyone is so concerned about. Um, when they moved in, we went over and introduced ourselves. They have been good neighbors to us. They've been our neighbors for many years. Please don't forget that these are just people. We've never had any problems. Um, I'm not here about a mosque today. I'm here about my neighbors, because this is how we love our neighbors as ourselves. Down the street on Eastlake Drive, there's a new development called the North Lake Development that has increased the traffic significantly on Eastlake Drive to the point where we won't let our 10-year-old daughter walk to the bus stop anymore, because there's a hill on Eastlake Drive that it has a blind spot. And when people come very fast over that hill, they can't see what's there. And it's dangerous. I didn't hear anybody come here and complain about that development, except maybe Mark. You know, we have watched this process of that neighborhood expanding and expanding for years. And I want you all to know that the process that they used on this mosque is literally the same process that they have used for every other variant request. We've watched it. We've been active. We have tried to fight development. We don't have a problem with a church group wanting to, a religious group wanting to turn their building, because that's pretty much what they want to do. It's roughly the same size. They want to turn it to face Mecca, and they want it to look a little more like a mosque instead of a house. We have no problems with them. We've been their neighbors for many years. I'd like to read a statement from Mark Washburn, who was not able to be here. He lives at 124 Eastlake Drive, directly across from this property. He can't attend today because of business commitments. The mosque has been a quiet, respectful neighbor. I regularly see families gathering there, and my experience has been positive. Having now reviewed the county documents and the submitted concept site plan, I support the requested zoning and land use changes and the redevelopment shown in that plan. I also want to correct claims that neighbors received no notice and that no sign was posted. I personally received notice, and I observed a notice sign posted for more than a month. The concept plan shows a 5,244 square foot place of worship, 51 parking spaces, retention of the existing accessory storage building, and modification of the existing stormwater pond. I consider this a reasonable development of an established place of worship. What he would like to request is, as the project proceeds through the plan, we ask that parking and access accommodate visitors on site without obstructing Eastlake Drive. Okay. And that they consider drainage as they do it. Thank you. But we are in support. Thank you, Julie. Anthony McDaniel. Anthony McDaniel, followed by Joe Passaretti. Thank you for having this hearing, and thank you, Vince Nowicki, for capturing what was going to be a done deal, and you caught it. I really don't appreciate your words. I really don't appreciate your words in that you make us feel like it's a done deal. It's not a done deal. According to this woman over here, she's telling us legally that if somebody whose property abuts... Excuse me. Hold on one second. Sorry. Anthony, okay, you have four people that you're speaking for? Evidently. Well, you have 10 minutes. Thank you. Well, hold on. I want to make sure that these folks are here. You have to be here to get your time. So, Holly Noah, raise your hand if you're here. And if you're outside, let me know that Holly Noah. Yes? Thank you, Holly. Patricia A. Pareto Sidoti. I've totally missed your name. I'm sorry about that, but you're here. Angela Dubok. Okay, thank you. And Lori Valentine. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Can my time start over, please? Yeah, you can start over. How much time do I have? You have 10 minutes. Wonderful. So, thank you, Vince, for catching it. No disrespect to you, sir, but you made us feel like it's done. It's not done because this lady over here, the county attorney, tells us that if someone's property abuts this property, they can submit appeal. And that's why we asked her for that. I am asking for them to do that on behalf of all the citizens. We want to stop this. We have got their seven mosques in Pinellas County at this point. It makes me sad because the lady who's the neighbor, if Sharia law, if the people, her neighbor, if her neighbors get what they want, her testimony would be half of mine. I just read it this morning in the Koran. Okay? So, that's half. So, what's really uncomfortable about this conversation is that in America, we celebrate freedom and liberty and justice for all. That is built on Judeo-Christian values. That has built Western civilization. Islam is so antithetical. It is so treasonous to our constitution. It is undermining. We're seeing it on the news every day. I don't want to make any enemies. I don't want people not to like me. But I love my children and my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren and these people because this ideology is evil. Now, let me let you judge for yourself. First of all, who defines Islam? Is it Dr. Oz like somebody told me online? No. Who defines Islam? The best Muslim that ever was, its founder, Muhammad. And we read his words in the Koran. We read it in the Sunnah, which is the way of Muhammad. And then we read it in the Hadiths. And it's well documented. And we just hosted, I'm the president of Florida Faith Foundations, and we hosted an event this past Saturday called The History of Islam. And then a month before that, we hosted an event called The Threat of Islam. Unfortunately, I find myself studying Islam. I don't want to be studying Islam. I'm studying Islam because I love freedom and liberty and justice for all. And so here's the difficulty we have. The difficulty we have is it's called the paradox of intolerance. We're dealing with people who don't tolerate us. It's very funny for me when I saw everybody celebrating dogs. Muhammad hates dogs. There's no dogs in Muslim countries, 57 countries. You will not find any dogs. If they get their way here, all the dogs are gone. So if you liked the little presentation earlier, we're celebrating taking care of dogs. The dogs are dog, dog gone. Dogs are gone. Okay? That's the way to... So the paradox of intolerance is basically this. We want to be tolerant. We want to have a conversation. We want to debate. We want to share ideas. And when we walk away, we say, you know what? They have their place. We have our place. The problem with them is they are intolerant of us. And we see it for 1,400 years all around the world right now across the globe. And so here's what happens. When their numbers are like this, it's the woman coming in with the whole covering. She plays the little thing. And we just, wow, what was that? When their numbers get up, around 5%, then the young men begin to do what they're doing in France right now. Okay? That's what happens. When they get to be around 15% to 20%, they begin to go from dawa. Dawa is the ideological subversion where you have Al-Sayed running for Michigan senator. He is, you know, he's basically lying. He's highly connected to Muslim brotherhood. You got Al-Mamdani. Momdani, wow. Can you believe that just 25 years ago we had committed Muslims, not radical Muslims. I would say good Muslims because that's just what Muhammad did. These good Muslims attacked us, tore down two of our biggest buildings in our country. And now we're celebrating and putting a mayor, Islamic mayor. This is incredible. So I don't want to be talking about this. But let me just make it really clear because I have a forum here today. Muhammad defines Islam. He was a religious leader for the first 12 years in Mecca. And then when he left Mecca, he was run out of town. He was disrespected. His teachings weren't received. And then later, he became a political leader. And when he was done, he immigrated to Medina. And when he was done with Medina, there was no Jews left. He personally oversaw the killing of 800 Jews. So I know this is a conversation that we're having because they're moving in our neighborhood. I've been a resident of Tampa Bay for 34 years. I came down from Baltimore. Wow. I was glad to be out of that town. And we don't want this area to be wrecked. We love Muslims. I do not hate Muslims. I hate the ideology. I hate the teachings of Muhammad. I don't want a woman to be treated like her testimony is half of a man. I don't want them going around killing all the dogs. I don't want to be intolerant of us. And that's what they bring. So let me just give you some specific things here. The Koran demands 89 times that Muslims imitate Muhammad. 89 times they are supposed to imitate Muhammad. He is the perfect man according to their holy scriptures. That's significant. Okay. Well, 84 verses with a direct command to obey and follow Muhammad. And when Muhammad, he taught under Sharia law, this is the way you should live. Under Sharia law, his ideal society is this. There's no freedom of religion. It's their way or no way. They're tearing down churches every day in Nigeria. They say it's Fulani. They're Muslims. Okay. There's no freedom of speech. For me to say that Muhammad was evil and that Islam is an evil ideology, they probably want to kill me right now. Seriously. Seriously. There's no freedom to say that. You know, the concern about the men, women, interests is that should be highly contested. Everyone's afraid. Why are we afraid? There's no freedom of thought. There's no freedom of artistic expression. There's no freedom of the press. There's no equality of peoples. A non-Muslim or a kafir, K-A-F-I-R, is never equal to a Muslim. Think about it. All of us here are kafirs. We are not equal to a Muslim. Well, you say, well, these are nice people. They're nice until they get the numbers. Let me tell you a little story. I didn't know. How much time do I have? Three and a half minutes. Three and a half minutes. Real quick. There it is. Thank you. You know why Dearborn is there? Does anybody know? I learned this weekend. Henry Ford was having a hard time with the unions. Found some guys in Yemen that would work all day for $5. Brought them in. To his credit, he had like a civic education, indoctrination of what it means to be an American. They went through this, I don't know how long the course was, and they had this ceremony, and they had this big cauldron out front called a melting pot. It literally burned some stuff in there, and they helped these guys to assimilate, and it was working well. He got a good workforce. He didn't have problems with the union, but then some imams from Middle East came and poisoned the well, and now we have Dearborn. Wow. I don't even know what to say about that except to say it is not America, and I will tell you, I thank God we have guns and bullets because if we don't do the work here, it's going to be a bloody civil war like no country has ever seen. I pray to God we can do the work now and say that Islam is not a religion. It should not be classified as a religion. Big props to Governor DeSantis, one of the greatest governors I've ever seen in my life. I love the fact that the legislature and the governor have said we ban Sharia law. That's only going to last until they get the numbers. We have to work, do the hard work. We have to stop this. We have to have somebody that's a property that's abutting the property to appeal it. We have to get behind them, and then we have to go to work and say Islam is not a religion. It is a political, militant ideology that has a spiritual component. That's as factual as you can be if you look at the 1,400-year history of Islam. If you want to have an intelligent discussion, you have to look at the facts. You know, there's so much, you know, our tolerance is going to kill us. We have to be intolerant of their intolerance. Let me say that again. We have to be. Let me just leave you with a couple things so you can understand this. There are no equal rights for women under Sharia. This is what Muhammad taught. Women can be beaten. A non-Muslim cannot bear arms. There's no democracy since democracy means that a non-Muslim is equal to a Muslim. Our Constitution is a man-made document of ignorance. They call it Jahaliyah. They call our Constitution Jahaliyah. It is subservient. It is less than the Constitution. It is a political ideology. It is dangerous. We cannot have it here. Non-Muslims are dimmies, second-class subjects. All governments must be ruled by Sharia law. Unlike common law, Sharia is not interpretive, nor can it be changed. There is no golden rule. Let me read about the kafir real quick. The kafir. By the way, the holy books give 51% of how to treat the kafir. In the Hadith, the Sira, the Quran. In the Sira, 81% of that document is the way of Muhammad Hamid is talking about how you treat the kafir. We're kafirs. Guess what? Political, a Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the kafir. Therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly. Allah hates us, and they are supposed to hate us. Now, is it your opinion that matters, or what the Prophet and the Founders said? This is a real concern. I've been to a Muslim country. When we were doing medical missions, we were there helping them. They wouldn't let me touch them because I was less than them. Thank you. We've got to wake up. Thank you. Thank you so much for the time. Joe Passoretti. Joe Passoretti, and then Dave Happy. Okay, so Joe Passoretti, not here. Dave Happy. And then Greg Gardner. Pass it. Give it. Somebody there. Yep. Thank you. It's a lot going on. Introduce yourself. My name is David Happy. I'm from Tarpon Springs. I was here to give you guys a nice award, Republicans, because you did it. You got us to $5.1 billion for our budget next year. That's up from 2.6, about six years. Hey, Dr. Flowers, I don't want to leave you out. You were certainly a big contributor to this, but if you guys want to get a photo op with me afterwards with this presentation, I would love to have you all gather around me in a picture with me sharing for the $5.1 billion. Yes, sir? So congratulations. That's a great accomplishment. Recently, a commissioner said from this dais that anonymous complaints bother him. If you have something to say, he said, own it. After I filed a public records request on Keystone Road, I was singled up by name on Facebook by the spouse of a sitting county commissioner. Those posts were then deleted. Today, that same account goes by Lynn Goddard. Under that name, it's been posting incomplete information to residents. What didn't change, though, was Lynn Goddard's URL. See, because when you have a Facebook page, you not only have to change your username, but you have to change the URL. And if you don't do that, you can see exactly who owns that page. This same account told one other taxpayer that at least Brian Scott has the balls to use his real name that was from the same poster. I understand it's election season, but incomplete information is incomplete information, whether it's posted under your name or a fake one. So I'll repeat what was said from the dais. If you got something to say to me, say it. One more thing. Keystone Road land use change. The counties, for starters, if the shaky voice guy that was speaking earlier, if I was a CEO, I'd fire that guy for one word that he used incorrectly. He changed your ordinance from frontages to frontage. And Barry, if you don't understand what that means, talk to Attorney White. She'll explain the difference to you between posting a sign on frontages and a single frontage. Your October 13th vote required a mailed letter. You didn't do that. Your October 13th vote required an advertisement. You didn't do that. Your October 13th vote under your ordinance required signs to be posted on frontages. You didn't do any of the three of those for your October 13th meeting. So when your attorney stands up here and tells you this is a done deal, whoever's going to file this lawsuit, it's a slam dunk win against Pinellas County. And unfortunately, our residents are going to pay for that as well while we litigate this. But you didn't do what you were supposed to do on October 13th. There's a reason why when you guys say you tell people that, you know, this is happening, nobody comes. How come when I tell people this is happening, 200 people show interest? Thank you. Greg Gardner. Greg Gardner, followed by Krista Lundquist. Welcome. You have three minutes. Thank you. My name is Greg Gardner. I came in here in the summertime, and it was over Woody Brown wanting TIF money. I ratted him out. I exposed the Albanians. After I left this meeting, I drove just down the street. I walked into a restaurant. It's owned by the same Albanian thugs. And there I had four thugs breathing down my back. Somebody in this room ratted me out. I was there for a purpose. Interfering makes it dangerous. Let me guys give you the back story. Woody Brown, the city attorney, Alan Zim, and he didn't retire, and Chief Michael Lux. They hate my guts because I work with these people right here, the sheriffs, and a few other organizations outside of that. I disrupt and expose their criminal enterprise, includes narcotics, on a level that's unimaginable. They stopped, interfered their theft and extortion scheme using Matt Widener on mostly elders, and now they want to drown 1,000 elders. These people are predators, and I'm in the garbage business of removing them, and I've done a great job. And you guys don't understand, these people come after me like no one, and they foreclosed on my rental property. They went back eight years on a code violation, unregistered trailer, car, and boat, and said I owed them $750,000. After a year of litigation, I only owe them $1,300, but they wouldn't take it. Now it's $9,800, so I paid it. But that wasn't good enough. The knife had to go on my back some more. A whole two more years of litigation, $100,000 owed to Attorney Ben Hillard, fighting this. Once again, these guys stepped in, knock it, and cut it off. Well, they did. They went to foreclosure. They bought my house for $100,000, and they're supposed to give it back. City's supposed to pay their end. I have to pay my end. So this is a fight. Interfering's not good. It's got a purpose. But we talk about these Muslims, and we're talking about Flock. As far as I'm concerned, when I'm done creating a video series called Grand Theft Lago, Galtier, Galtier, Walks on Water. So does our state attorney. These guys are in the fight with me. I'm not here by myself. But whoever ratted me out, whoever interfered, it's not a game. I'm dealing with a board game. It's a chess game. They're all psychopaths. They all do evil. Woody Brown's evil. There's nothing good about this guy. And he has to go, along with Zimit. They do great harm. And that's the mission. Thank you very much. Excuse me. Thank you. Krista Lundquist, and then David Ballard-Gettis, Jr. Hello. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Krista Lundquist, 1009 San Marco Drive, Largo, Florida. I was born and raised here in Pinellas County. Went to Largo Middle, Largo High. And two things I wanted to talk about, Flock Cameras. We are warned about Big Brother. It's here. Your sheriff is the president of the Major County Sheriff's Association. And they are sponsored by Flock, Motorola, and Axon. Those are the Flock Camera companies. He is highly compromised. And he needs to have no say in whether we have Flock Cameras in our county. As for the mosque, what I'm going to say is, number one, I agree with the pastor. Islam is not a religion. Religions do not scream hate and death to those that don't believe. I believe that we need a strong definition of religion. And religion cannot be something that keeps people out and only allows certain people, sexes, religions, races. They're not evil. They're not hateful. And they don't fly planes into buildings. As for our county commissioners, thank you, Commissioner Nowicki, for bringing attention to what's happening. At the property in Tarpon Springs. I don't think that any board commissioners had any nefarious issues or problems when they signed on this. I think that they were misled. I think that there's a problem in the administration and the clerks who labeled it. I think this was something that was supposed to skate through without any notice. And we caught them. I think the right thing for you to do now is to do a redo. And allow the community to have a say in whether this happens or not. I think that there needs to be a moratorium on any expansion or building of a mosque to promote an ideology that hates every one of us and wants us all dead. That's all I have. David Ballard-Gettis Jr. And Paula Godsey. Good afternoon, Commissioners. Thanks for tolerating us all today. David Ballard-Gettis Jr. I live on Georgia Avenue in Palm Harbor. What if the issue wasn't a clandestine religious overreach on a single parcel of property by the Muslims in Tarpon Springs, but the issue was a religious variance that includes eminent domain of all of our personal and real property, disallowing us our religious rights to our water too, claiming eminent domain of all of our properties and all of our water rights and our religion. As a Christian, my Savior stood on water. He turned water into wine. He still stands on that today. The reclaimed water variance application is an eminent domaining of both of our personal and real property. As I've stated in the past, based on statute 15303, section 5, it clearly states that I, as a Christian, literally owe my health, my safety, and my religion, taking both our liberties, our properties, and our lives based on the 14th Amendment while materializing water jurisdictions, claimed constitutionally as process due, vanquishing Christianity based on Federalist Paper No. 2, recognizing such sacrilegious despoilments in Federalist Paper No. 18. The First Amendment, in referencing thereof, does not constitute a religious right to disrespect a religion as written therein. When George Washington, in his farewell address, states to indirectly undermine that which cannot be directly overthrown, is he talking about indirectly undermining and overthrowing Christianity? He surveyed watersheds, didn't he? Is George Washington claiming to be of greatest rankness and truly one's worst enemy? Indirectly undermining Christianity via the water supply, eating us out of our subsistence as based on the Declaration of Independence. Federalist Paper No. 79 clearly states, in order to control man's will, you must first control man's subsistence. Federalist Paper No. 11 calls us dogs. Is he calling Christians dogs? I have an issue with that. I don't think the Muslims imploded the Twin Towers on 9-11 or Building No. 7 that just haphazardly fell just because it had sympathy pains for the other two. The Muslims are not the architects of the reclaimed water variance application either. The one that claims my property, my religion, and my water. We've been misled. I believe the shoe is on the other foot. Heads up. All right, Paula, I think Paula, is Paula Godsey on Zoom? She is, sir. Okay. Paula Godsey is on Zoom. That will be followed by Lauren Moores, or Moans Moores, I think. Ms. Godsey, can you raise your virtual hand and we can unmute you? Ms. Godsey, are you able to hear us? Ms. Godsey? We'll try back. Okay. Lauren Moores, followed by Crystal Knight. Hello? Officer, please let them in. He was thinking about how bad the revs are. I needed to do a limo anyway. Thank you, ma'am. Okay, hi. Thank you. Welcome. So I want to talk about LPRs from a perspective of being a woman. The world we live in is very different for women versus men. And when I leave this room today, I'm going to ask a friend to walk me to my car. And before I get into my car, I'm going to look in the back seat to make sure no one's hiding back there, ready to attack me. And then when I get in my car, I'm going to lock my car doors right away, and I'm going to leave. And then when I get home, I'm going to go into my house and lock my doors right away. So anyway, I'm not alone in taking these precautions. Um, I rarely go anywhere without my husband or my friends knowing where I am. Millions of women live their lives taking these precautions, um, because the reality is that women are stalked, harassed, sexually assaulted, raped, and murdered by men at an alarming rate. And we are sick and tired of being preyed upon. And now we face another threat, which is surveillance technology that can make it easier for someone to secretly track our movements. The Washington Post recently investigated 50 cases of abuse of ALPRs, and 52% of those 50 cases were, uh, law enforcement officers tech, uh, using this technology to track wives, girlfriends, partners, or women they wanted to meet. That's 52%. That's a lot. These women were being harassed and tracked. And think about our daughters. Think about teenage girls. Think about that little baby that Jeremy has. Um, their, their movements are also being exposed to these people. Mental illness and abuse of power runs rampant in law enforcement. A badge does not make someone immune to jealousy, obsession, sexual misconduct, or abuse of authority. Imagine being stalked by someone who took an oath to protect you. These aren't just headlines. These are real women experiencing real threats to safety. And everyone in this room was carried by a woman for nine months and given life by that woman. What kind of world are we creating when the very thing that gave us life literally can no longer feel safe in her environment? Where are we supposed to feel safe? Women already spend enough time of our, of our lives looking over our shoulders. And we need policies. We need y'all to make policies that protect us, um, and that protect our, our privacy and hold men accountable when, you know, when, when, when these surveillance technologies are being abused. So I'm asking this commission to support Vince Nowicki's, uh, resolution to end all county contracts. Um, I think the next time when you guys actually vote on this, we should do a town hall at 6 p.m. So more people can show up. I think that would be really helpful. Women and young girls deserve to experience a world that is equal in safety as men experience it. Thank you. Lauren, thank you. Uh, Crystal Knight, uh, followed by Greg Pound. Hello, hi, how's my American people doing? So I'm going to pray because there's a lot of diversity in here. Jesus is my savior. So father God, please bring resolution on the floor cameras. And with this mosque, let it be known that I myself am there for everybody. Like if I can give you food, clothing, shelter, I do it. With that being said, in Tarpon Springs, the mosques, these, they're not, it's not our way. I'm a born raised American, red, white, and blue. That is how I live my life. I am a stay at home mom. I raised my son to learn the constitution and do the right thing. And that is our constitution gives freedom of religion. But you need to know that they're peaceful now. The Muslims are peaceful now. But you look over in other countries, they're taking that here. It's going to change as they grow and they have more children. It's going to change. And the numbers are going to outweigh us. It's happening in Texas where, yeah, it's very sad. I'm asking you to reconsider the mosque as in for your daughters, your mothers, your sisters, because the Muslims, the women, we are less. And that little girls, that me, I will protect children till the day I die. That little girls can't be married. And that's okay with all my Americans here that were born and raised here. That's okay. They are deceiving us. Do you know what the wolf in sheep's clothing is? They are the wolf in the sheep's clothing. And that they are praying upon us and they're being kind. They are the sheep and they are in our clothing of wool. Saying we are peaceful. We are friendly. This is what we go by. No, the Bible goes by peace. Actually, if you go into the Old Testament, there were things that were not done that God sent for destruction and for the Israelites. But we have a foundation of the Constitution, the Bible, the Christian, and the Jews go along with the Torah. So may peace be upon us all. And that actually the Muslims come to Jesus and whoever else here has had their problems and rejected him to know that he is the way, the truth, and the life. Amen. And that is all I have to say. Please reconsider. Greg Pound, followed by Jessica Arndt. Yes, Greg Pound, Largo, Florida. You know, I've seen this thing on Tucker. If you YouTube this, just Tucker on the great replacement theology. And I think everybody should watch that. And he documents what's going on in our country. And in the EU, 32 countries, Canada, America, their goal is to take over. And, you know, the way they do it is they use money. Everywhere they go, they have a lot of money. They buy off your sheriff, your city mayors, your county commissioners. They pay them, and they do what they want. They get what they want done. It's about money. And so that's what it's all. It's sad. You know, the love of money has destroyed America. We look and see what's going on in our country. And it's just out of control corruption. And so what we need to focus on in America, here's our families. Our families are, our court system has raped our families. And, I mean, we're in big, big trouble. I mean, without our families, without fathers and mothers, we're a nation now that's so divided that it's so easy for them to come in and take us over. It's going to take, I mean, and it's just nice to see the people united. And you can do any research, like in France, where they pour the gas on that schoolteacher and set her on fire. And all the people, I mean, the documentation is there, but you're going to have to do some research to find the videos because it's not on Fox and the other news stations. And so it's, you know, I mean, one time, you know, when they try to take away your right to speak, I mean, I was beat up in Los Angeles by Muslims for just speaking or defending what was right. And then when it comes to the truth, I mean, they just don't like to hear it. I mean, Muhammad was a child molester. The guy was molested. Here's Aisha at eight years old, consummates a relationship with her at eight years old, meaning he's having sex. And how many wives did he have? And I just tell the Muslims, you know, when I'm out at USF talking to him that, listen, we have someone even worse than that. Joseph Smith had 40 wives. Muhammad had 11. And, but he also was, he also was killing men, getting their wives. And all it is is like, they're like gangs. They're like, and to call this religion is totally insane. So if we don't do something about it, and I just, this is my honest opinion, we need to vote all these county commissioners out. We need to get a new sheriff. We need to get these guys out of office, except this young guy here, this one that's speaking up for us. But the rest of them, they'll sell us out for money. Their God is money. That's what their God is. Not truth. The Bible says, buy the truth and don't sell it. These people have sold us out, and they'll keep selling us out for money. To say this is a done deal, when we're the people who live here, you go look in Dearborn and Texas and all these other places. These people, when they get in power, you'll see it then. But I'm saying we need to take back our country, folks. We need to do it. Jessica Arndt. Jessica Arndt. Hello. My name is Jessica Arndt. I'm at 708 Estates Boulevard, which does happen to be off of East Lake Road behind this mosque. It is the new development that somebody else spoke out against. My apologies. I hope Love Thy Neighbor still applies to me. But I do have concerns over this expansion. I will say I would be lying to you if I didn't know it existed while we chose to build our house here. But the reason why we chose to build and buy the house was that it was, you know, a more rural setting versus a lot of Pinellas. And I don't do well with traffic. So that was a big key point for us. I also have teenage girls. I'm a stay-at-home mom. I have dogs. I'm always out for a walk. They're teenagers. They want their freedom. I'm scared. I'm even scared to be up here speaking out against this because of any reparation that could come for me and my family. I want my daughters to be able to walk in our neighborhood and not be afraid of looking over their shoulders. I want the freedom that my grandfather fought for in World War II. I need that for my children. As far as the land development, the presentation we saw earlier, we're building our house. We've been by that road multiple times. I want to know how long was that sign posted. I've been there multiple times a week to check the progress of our home. I never saw a sign posted for this. So was it there for an hour? Remember, what measures did you guys take to make sure that it was there for a significant period of time to warn or just inform others on that road? I know I probably fall outside of that 300-foot radius, but it applies to me pretty severely, not, you know, 45-minute drive away. I'm less than a half a mile away from this. It affects me and my family. And as far as their expansion and their changes that they are making, they also said that they are closing off the Keystone Road access to not interfere with Pinellas Trail. Then why wasn't a sign posted on Keystone Road if there is access to it now? That's all I have to say on that. But please reconsider and think of others because I, along with a very silent majority, do not vote red or blue down the ballot. I vote on commissioners and political affiliates that hold my interest and my public's interest into account. Thank you. Is Pola Godsey there? Can we try again? Sure. She's not in Zoom anymore. No. Okay. And then William Lofter and Sylvia Pando and Marcia Lofter all were against the decision that we made a couple of weeks ago, but they were waving. They're speaking. I just want to make sure that that was noticed. And then we have one more group, and I just want to make sure that the folks are here. So Paul Marola? Paul Marola here? Okay. Thank you. Andrea Marola? Yeah. Okay. Marcia Lofter? Is Marcia here? Okay. Thank you. Sylvia Pando? Thank you, Sylvia. I got you. Okay. Then Paul Marola? Yeah. Yeah, you got it right. You're already here, ready to go. You got 10 minutes. All right. Thank you. We're missing a commissioner? Is she virtual or we're missing? I think she's going to be weighing in here shortly. Yes. She is on Zoom. Okay. She is? She's out. Okay. We'll vote on that when we're done here. Okay. I just see somebody missing. Last time, I spoke about some omissions that the sheriff gave you about the ALPR program. But let's get refreshed on the definition of what ALPR is in Florida. It specifically says it converts images of license plates into computer-readable data. Flock Safety on their website lists that an LPR converts images of vehicles and license plates into computer-readable data. There's a vast difference just even between marketing material. You have a packet that should have been passed out on page two. I found some spectacular information that I almost didn't believe. That was from a watchdog group. The website's on the top. It says all flock LPR cameras will become video cameras. So, I thought, I really need to back that up. How do I find that? Well, I happened to find some former flock employee on LinkedIn. Everybody's on LinkedIn. And everybody loves to post everything on LinkedIn. Well, this guy is on page three. I won't read his name into the record. He says he was a flock safety regional sales director until this past August. On page four, he gave an example of what an agency used it for. And up there it says, what can we help you find? A silver SUV with a yellow dirt bike strapped to the back. That's not a license plate. There's not even a license plate in the picture. But what makes this even more of just indiscriminate mass surveillance is right under the red box. It says it's displaying 10,000 of 196,000 results. Because it's looking all through America to find a SUV with a dirt bike, a yellow dirt bike. That is unbelievable. But to back up the claim about the free video cameras, the same employee posted one year ago on his LinkedIn profile, he was excited to announce flock safety's latest updates for law enforcement. LPR cameras will now upgrade. All existing flock LPR cameras can soon be upgraded to include the capabilities at no cost. If you build it, they will come. If the capability is free, it will be used. And we will have it. It said agencies could also add a separate solar-powered video camera to their LPRs for just 500 bucks a year. Just in case you needed more video coverage from your still photograph license plate reader, you could put two cameras up. And then the final thing in his post was that the AI search feature was expanded. And now we could find a man in a blue hoodie. How does a license plate reader find a man in a blue hoodie? So, this is really just indiscriminate mass surveillance. Those aren't my words. Those are the words of the federal judge in Oklahoma that just ruled on that, throwing out federal drug trafficking evidence. The words that I read you there about the capability, those are words of an employee that was excited to sell the equipment. This is a significant expansion beyond a still photograph of a license plate. And I specifically remember the sheriff saying that multiple times. A still photograph of a license plate. I don't like being lied to. I don't think anybody else likes being lied to. As citizens, we all have valid concerns. Accountability, data retention, data sharing, their surveillance capability, access controls, are legal definitions. We don't even have legal definitions. In fact, the legal definition of a camera, of flat cameras, especially being video cameras, fits closer under the Florida statute for digital voyeurism. There's an apparent lack of meaningful audits at Pinellas County Sheriff. The sheriff said that they do audit, but they couldn't catch the misuse because the deputy lied. Can you imagine the only thing it takes to circumvent a law enforcement protection on a taxpayer-funded system is to type in a lie? That blows my mind. That could even happen. The sheriff is waiting for the manufacturers to work on better auditing tools. Commissioner Scott made the question during the work session, have you updated? Are you doing anything for it? And he said he's waiting on the manufacturer. I imagine that's probably the case because it's so big. There's so many searches. You have to use that information, the AI tools to help you do that. I ask that you pass Commissioner Nowicki's resolution. And the reason why is let's get them out of the county, end the contracts, and then give the state and federal law time to catch up. Once we have state and federal law, which addresses all the citizen concerns, then we have a public discussion, a town hall, to vote to bring them back. Let everything come back. Let the manufacturers come in, discuss the capability. We could have our lawyers discuss the state laws, all the parameters that are going to provide protections. And then we have our discussion, and then we vote. We vote to bring them in. This, to me, is ridiculous, that this kind of technology snuck up as a license plate reader. And now we have to have the discussion to convince seven people that we really don't want it and that it needs to be taken out. If we don't remove the equipment, there is no incentive for Tallahassee or Washington, D.C. to do meaningful work on getting a resolution. If you do so, you won't be alone. 32 other counties in Florida have done some action to limit it, get rid of it, either by county board action, or sheriffs voluntarily or preemptively getting rid of it. Maybe they saw their handwriting on the wall and wanted to get rid of it before their commission said, get it out. 27 cities in Florida have also done that. The capital city of Tallahassee shut down their program. One of the 32 counties was recently St. John's. They had about 220 cameras, almost the same size that we did, and they passed that on the 20th. I think that, to me, that this conversation, that this has to happen now, that this wasn't a discussion first, is really, really disrespectful, and it's probably one of the single biggest frauds that has happened to the American people in recent memory. And I'll leave you with that. Thank you, Paul. Appreciate it. I yield my time. Thank you, Paul. Appreciate it. We have one additional resident waving, speaking against, and that would be Mary Ann Boone, against the Keystone property expansion. And then our last speaker is Andrew Gaylor. Is Andrew here? Come on. Hi. I just walked in, so I'm not really very prepared, but I have to just pay emphasis on a couple of points. And just to start with, that I come from New York. That tells you a lot, because things are changing so drastically in cities and states, like New York and Jersey and Massachusetts. And I'm speaking against the expansion of the property, because, first of all, it was done without any input from the community, from the neighbors. And I worked, I don't know how many of you might be from New York. I worked in Queens, New York, which is a very, very multicultural community. Sorry, excuse me. I'm a little short of breath. And this is what happened there, that people, the city of elected officials, they started to become more and more compassionate. And I know you guys, all of you guys have good hearts. So you wanted to help out, do the right thing. And in New York City, the things were happening the way things happened. And you might have read about that in Orlando Airport, that our people's tax money was used. I'm not pointing out any special, any particular religion, but this is what happened in Orlando Airport, that one community was provided space to change, to wash their hands, to wash their feet, to have prayers, where we are sometimes not even allowed to put a Bible or a cross, because I'm a Catholic on so many buildings. So that is not fair, first of all. And second of all, you might have done it in a good faith, but this is what I watched in New York for 25 years, that slowly they all start to spill on the streets. Streets will get closed down. I worked for the trauma center, but the streets were closed down just because to celebrate a particular holiday. We are not allowed to do that. We are not even allowed to do Merry Christmas, and as many of you know that. So it feels like it was not just for people of other faith, first of all. And I think the most important thing is that it's by the people. You guys make such a decision, and without taking any input from the neighborhood, from the community, you don't want to do something that you and the community and the country and the free state of Florida may regret tomorrow. I'm not criticizing any community, but things happen. Thank you. So we need to... Thank you, Andrew. Appreciate it. You're welcome. Okay. We are finished with all of the comments. And, Barry, I'd like the questions that were asked by the commission that elicited responses from you or Jewel or staff be also posted along with those slides when you get that done, okay? Okay. And the question about how long the sign was up, I want that... Yeah, that was one of the questions that was asked. That was one of the questions. He has, Michael has the answers to that, so we can put those up. We have post those on behind the slides that you put on there, okay? Yep. And when do we think those would be available for our residents to see? Well, during the... Well, we have public comment. I asked Michael to get with David Connor and find a way to make that prominent so we can post that. The answers to the questions will require, obviously, a follow-up. As soon as possible. As soon as possible, but it won't take a day. Okay. We are moving on to our consent agenda, items 4 through 15. Mr. Chair. Are there anything? Mr. Chair, can we get a motion for the record for Commissioner Peters to be reviewing? Thank you. Is she on? Yes. Okay. So we have a motion to allow Commissioner Peters to participate and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Mr. Chair, excuse me, could the motioners and the seconders, please? Motion by Commissioner Latvala, seconded by Commissioner Nowicki. Okay. You can participate. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't know how long you'll last, but you're welcome to participate. All right. We have the consent agenda for consideration. Are there any things to be pulled? Just item number 11. We'll pull item number 11. Anybody else? No, I have a motion for the balance. Move approval. Move motion by Commissioner Nowicki. Second. Second by Commissioner Latvala. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. And that motion carries unanimously. Item 11, Commissioner Nowicki. Yeah, I'm happy to, you know, just get some more clarification on those line item number 58 for a grant approval application. So I'm just kind of, if the administrator does, doesn't have authority to make that application, and then we're just ratifying it after the fact, but didn't have authority or does have authority, I guess I was just a little bit. Which item is an item number? 58. 58. Let me get to it. Say again. Second. And can you address that? Because it was already submitted, I guess. The grant application was already submitted, but we're... Oh, there was a deadline. So we had, it was time delayed. So we submitted ahead of time and asking for your concurrent approval because it had a deadline for us to apply. Yeah, correct. Kelly Hammerlevy, Public Works Director, they gave us 30 days to prepare and submit the grant application, which we're finding more and more with these grant applications. So in order to preserve the opportunity for the funding, we proceeded down this pathway to make sure we're eligible. It does not obligate us in any way. It's just an application, but it gets us in the queue for significant funding to support an existing capital project. Yeah, I think it'd be great if we could get the money from the grant. I guess I was just more of a procedural question whether the administrator had approval or didn't have approval to do the grant. And so it's when the authority that I can submit and then you can concur with the request. So it's asking for permission after the fact because of a time-sensitive nature of a grant. And that's authorized within the ordinance. Okay, I'll move approval. Okay, motion by Commissioner Wicke. Second. Second by Commissioner Scott. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All voted unanimously. We're moving on to, okay, item, let me get to the right one here. Item 16. Item 16 is an interlocal agreement with Pinellas County Sheriff's Office for Law Enforcement at St. Pete Clearwater International Airport. Motion by Commissioner Wicke. Second by Commissioner Flowers. Any questions by the commission? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Oh, excuse me. Aye. Excuse me. Pull up the voting card, please. Mr. Chair, I'm a yes. Okay. Need a couple more. One more. I'm a yes, Mr. Chair. Okay, Commissioner Scott as a yes, and Commissioner Peters as a yes. That is a unanimous vote. Moving on to item 17. Item 17 is the first amendment to design and construction administrative services with C&S engineers for the re-scoped terminal improvement project at the airport. Very, uh, 17 and 18 are both, uh, connected, right? Correct. And they're both for re-scope? Yes. So can we just get a brief description on the re-scope? Sure. Mark, come on up. So in essence, you've been through a few phases of the, um, terminal improvement project, and so this is refined, and you would always have to come back for when you get to final, you know, design of what you're going to build. So Mark will explain that. Thank you. Welcome, Mark. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mark Sprague, the airport director. This is a re-scope. We went from a terminal expansion that exceeded over $220 million, and when I became airport director, I took a look at it, um, met with our tenants, met with our airlines, and we really need to take care of our aging infrastructure first. So I went to a 14 elements, uh, phasing from, um, uh, a new conceptual drawing that will take us to 14, 4.5 to 5 million passengers, but we're only going to build a portion of that, a 40,000 square foot extension of that, and then also, um, take care of our aging infrastructure from, uh, utility laterals to, uh, aging roofing to, um, um, upgrading and renovating the security, um, uh, exit plans as well as the, um, boarding areas, all new furniture, all new lighting, things like that. So the, um, agreement on the engineering is for the changes in the drawings? Well, you were always going to, you were always going to bring that forward. So you had, you didn't have all the money in the budget, um, authorized before. This is bringing forward that next phase of development. Which includes the changes that we're talking about. Yes, sir. Correct. Yes, Chair. It would have been more had you stuck with the larger project. And the re-scoping the, the construction manager's job, the, so the overall budget has gone down? Or, again, we pulled forward some. Originally, 110 is what the RFP was, was about. But by the time that we went through the, um, uh, the 30% drawings, it got over 220 million. So we were scoping it from 110 to up to $145 million. Okay. So his, his oversight, the, the, the construction managers at risk. Yes. Correct. The amount that he's at risk has gone down. It's actually has gone up. Well, from, I thought it was 220. Original contract was based on 220? It, well, the original RFP went out for $110 million. Oh, for $110 million. All right. But when we get to the 30% schematic drawings, it was already at, um, over 220 million. Okay. So the, his fees originally, those fees were originally based on $110 million. Correct. And it's now at $140 million. $45 million. Not the $220 million, but the $140. So it went up from $110 to $145. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I wanted that clarification. And the financials that you approved, the fees and everything you approved previously, those aligned with this capital construction budget. Okay. Mr. Scott. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, so Mark, the, uh, it says here the agreement will be used on an as needed basis, uh, with no obligation to spend the full contract or to spend it in any given year. Will the individual projects that are going to make up that $7.1 million, are they going to come back to us for approval or is that your authority to do that? It is not our authority, but if, if we don't spend the money, we just, we, it will just stay in our reserves or our, um, our grants. All right. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Scott. Yeah. Commissioner Shearer. Yes. Thank you, Chair. Uh, Mark, I, uh, had the same question on both of these kind of, uh, um, increasing by $7 million to $21 million. Is, does that mean that $14 million has been spent on engineering already? Or is it, I, I couldn't find anywhere in the documents what's been spent to date? No, that was, that was one of the attachments. Um, I don't have that offhand, uh, of me, so I can actually, I'll get back with you on that, but we did not spend all $14 million. So there's still design and, uh, monies and, and. Absolutely. We're asking for another $7 million, but there's still something left in the original contract. That is correct. And does this cover any construction administration at all? Have they been doing that as well? Or is this just the CMAR construction administration? That is. So what have they been, what have they been, uh, what construction have they been overseeing? Oh, I'm sorry. A country that was approved last month. I believe we went to the, uh, the owner's rep. Okay. No, I'm just saying specifically, what construction are they overseeing? Is it any construction or is this design only? It's both other CNS is design. And then the CMAR works along with a designer to make sure that we, um, uh, we get to the guarantee of maximum price before we go into a construction. Okay. Well, I was going to have the same question about, uh, the, uh, number 18 as well. How much has been spent today? And is it on just design or is it design? And have we, have we produced any work or is this all design and review? You're a 30% design, correct? We were asked 30% design for the brand new, um, For the terminal. For the terminal. Correct. So we're going to be. So you're, so you're correct, commissioner. Um, you're, you're in, you're 30% design. Then when they get to that, then that, that's how then they refine their project budget. As you know, in this base, this is a percentage based upon what the actual construction will be. So there's not construction out there correctly. That's correct. But they're, but they're involved in both the design. And then they were bringing on the construction manager at risk. When you get to a certain point, then they'll have that guaranteed maximum price. And then that's then what we'll be signing off on, on final construction documents. Okay. It just seemed to me like we were paying two different entities to do the same thing. You got one doing design and construction administration. And then the other one doing pre-construction services to, I don't, I don't know why we're hiring two companies to do the same thing. Okay. Uh, if I might commissioner Blaine Williams, assistant County administrator. Thank you, Mark. So, uh, there's the normal folks that are involved in this. So you've got the architect who will provide design and construction administration services on the back end. The fee that you see for the Manhattan, which is the CMAR is pre-construction and that in a guaranteed maximum price posture, the contractor comes in with the architect during design and he hasn't, and Manhattan has not fully engaged at this point for the re-scoping, but they will start to get involved. And we went, we pressed back on the fees and I will tell you that the architectural fee was judged against the state DMS curve. Uh, and so it was found to be reasonable. And then we went further with the airport engineer and did a roles and responsibilities matrix between the CMAR and the architect to make sure that we weren't paying twice for the same service. So they're complimentary. And by the end of it, the, the, uh, CMAR pre-con will speak into the constructability reviews of the design so that we don't get a lot of finger pointing once we go into construction and they can have full confidence that there aren't any gotchas in, in the bids that they're going to put out to their subs and answer commissioner Scott's question. Yes, sir. A GMP will come back to you for approval before any work gets done. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Um, any other questions? Um, do we have, uh, action on item 17? We'll take them separately. Move motion by commissioner Scott. Second by commissioner Scheer. Uh, bring up the voting card, please. Mr. Chairman. Yes. Okay. Okay. Commissioner Scott. Yes. That vote is unanimous. Um, uh, item 18. Any additional questions? Do I have a motion on 18 motion by commissioner Scott? Second by commissioner flowers and bring up the card on 18, please. Mr. Chairman. Yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Uh, I'm hearing all yeses. The motion is carried unanimously. Did you have a question? Um, no, this is an issue on my end. Um, there was a mix up of. Okay. Well, we need, we need our, we need our BTS dude. So he went home for his birthday. If you're, yeah, if you're listening, we need you back. Apparently. You get ready for the sweep. Yeah. I just rejoined. Okay. You might try that leave and then rejoin. Turn it on. All right. On to item 19. Item 19 is a self surplus land, um, uh, for just a piece of property that we, um, don't need anymore. Motion by commissioner flowers. The second by question. Uh, commissioner Scott with a question is a seconder. Thank you. Go ahead. Mr. Chairman. Uh, just curious. How did we determine the value for this land? Bill. And while the, and, and while he's coming up, um, I just want to make sure it was this advertised or are we just taking action? Good afternoon, Bill Greer, director for construction and property management. So we get, uh, market appraisals and that's how we determine fair market value. We got an appraisal for it. That's correct. And, uh, in terms of how we approach it. So it was already declared surplus and the current code allows us to first try to offer to an adjacent property owner and that adjacent property owner, uh, in this instance, uh, chose to, okay. To, to, to make the offer. So that's the procedure. There's no advertising for this at all. It's not required. It can, but it can be. Okay. All right. Thank you. Mr. Chair, uh, commissioner flowers. I just wanted to share. I don't, I don't believe commissioner Scott was a commissioner at the time, but when I first came on board, I know one of the questions I asked was about surplus property because a lot of people wanted to build some affordable housing and we had some property. So I thought what better use if, you know, we knew what the inventory was so that we could then make it available to the public. If there were any entities out there that wanted to purchase, um, any property that we have, if it was continuous, big enough, et cetera, et cetera. So I know that was 2020, 2021, I guess, when we also, um, kind of put that into play for persons to be able to purchase that. And then we could re-infuse those dollars back into the County for us to spend in other areas. This is one of the lists that Bill's working on. And this is, and this is a, this is a piece of property in and of itself by itself was not big enough to have a house on it. And this was, and this, yes. And this is actually an old one from 2023 that you all declared. We've been aggressively, uh, taking care of those and, uh, working with Barry to show him, uh, what the strategy is. So the, the amount of property is, is really shrinking, but, uh, there may be a few opportunities and we're already working a couple of affordable housing options. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chair. A few years ago, there were approximately 2,000, uh, parcels of surplus property. Do you know what it, where we're at now? Well, total in the County. The, the, but before he answers that the 2,000 is a misnomer. That's 2,000. We have most of those are for things. Well, yeah, like the little slivers and stuff like that. The slivers we can get rid of, but like for future stormwater. And so you have to match that against future capital improvements. So we won't run a retain this parcel to be able to expand stormwater or do this or do that. That's fine. And so what you're talking about out of that 2,000, what is the list that he's working on? I think that's the, the question that to kind of tee that up. Commissioner Peters. I have a full breakout of exactly what's left since that. So in the last year we've been going through and itemizing, making sure they're categorized. We have, have them targeted in GIS. So I can easily provide that to Barry and, and share that with you. What's the status? Well, that's why there's a military guy in charge of doing that. Commissioner Peters. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, you know, I went through all the papers and I found that you got the appraisal through the property appraisals office, but I did get a constituent contact me and said he was concerned, um, that there wasn't transparency with this. Um, and I get that it's too small for a house. Um, but is there any way that we could, I mean, we just spent a lot of time this morning on people wanting more transparency. Is there any way when we move forward on any more of these that we do a little more transparency or do you think that is. We certainly, we certainly can. In fact, I have some recommendations to share with Barry on how to update the real estate management policy. It hasn't been touched in over a decade. Um, but that's for another day, but we are working behind the scenes to try to give Barry some options to offer you, uh, as we review that policy. There's, there's a lot of old material in there that we'd like to update. So that would be one of those things you could consider. Yeah, I think that's something that would, that's a good idea. Thank you, commissioner Peters. I mean, whether we put require signage in the, on the property so that the neighbors know about it, whether first right goes to the adjacent property owners or anybody. Um, I mean, those are things we need to look at and take, and take a deeper dive. I think at the time they were just trying to, to make something simpler, um, bring less to the board, but we can look at that. Yeah. I think, uh, yeah, that's a good idea. Any other questions, comments? Did we get a motion on that? We did motion a second. Okay. Thanks. You got that. Okay. All, uh, we bring up the card, please. And let me, yes, Mr. Chair. All right. Yeah. I'm not sure why that did not show up, but I did record the vote and it is unanimous. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Cause I don't see it. So if you could just tell us what that is, what that vote is at the end, if each one that's coming, I haven't, I haven't seen our BTS dude yet. Oh, he's right there. Excuse me. BTS dude. Birthday boy. Okay. Thank you. Item 20. Um, item 20 commissioners. Uh, first I want to answer commissioner Newicki's question, which was, um, we, you did have a vote in June that was specifically for FEMA related, um, uh, hurricane projects was that, uh, was for that, uh, amount that was put on for a home Depot contract. However, I've since looked at the way in which we estimate the capacity. I would ask that this item be pulled and we'll bring it back in a different format after I have better answers. Okay. Staff. Do we, any action needed on that? Okay. We'll move on to item 21. Thank you, commissioner Newicki for the question. Item 21 amendment. Number one for federally funded community development and plot grant mitigation. So this is for the judge. Requestration project motion by commissioner, the wiki second by commissioner Scott. Are there any questions, comments? Um, you know, at some point, not today, but some point, maybe just an update on the project, the scope of it. I can, we keep getting all these dollars and stuff and, and it'd be nice to know exactly what the scope of the work is again, just kind of refresh. I think the size of the scope depends on the amount of money Kelly gets. Well, but I'd like to, I'd like to maybe have a workshop item on that just to see how that's, how that's evolving. We can do that commissioner. And, and, um, we'd also like to tie that in with, uh, if you mind, give us a little bit of time because we'd like to tie that on where we focus, um, some of our funding, uh, for our CDBG mitigation dollars. Um, and this will be a prime, um, um, um, recipient potentially for those projects. So we'll, we'll get those together, but staff working on that list. Thank you. Um, any other questions, uh, bring up the voting card, please. And I'm a yes, Mr. Chair. We can proceed with a voice vote if possible. Are you still having issues? My apologies again. Um, did we have a motion there and seconder for those? And if so, could you please motion by new wiki and second by Scott. Uh, commissioners, excuse me. Okay. Are you trying to bring the card up? I, yes, I have it up on my screen, but it is not appearing on. Okay. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries unanimously. Item 21. This resolution is dedicated in a portion of County owned land on 119th street, uh, to be as public right away. This is the old landfill. Anything, anybody move approval motion by commissioner Scott second by commissioner new wiki. Um, all in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries unanimously. Item 22, 23, sorry, 23. Okay. Item 23. This is an amendment. Number one. It's a renewal for our Penelope County technical rescue team with city of Clearwater. This extends it for one year from October 26th to September 30th, 27th motion by commissioner Valis, second by commissioner new wiki. Any questions, bring up the voting card question mark. Yeah, we got it. Thank you. And then yes, Mr. Chair. Thank you. And that motion carries unanimously. Item 24. It's agreement with, um, with, uh, field guard magnesium hydroxide. So in essence, this is, um, a re just replaces a previous contract of a company that was bought out. Yeah. Second. I'm in favor. I just had one question. A motion by commissioner Scott second by commissioner. I can't pronounce the name commissioner new wiki. So I guess I was looking this up a little bit. And so, um, this is the only company that provides this patented thero guard magnesium hydroxide, but there's a lot of other companies that provide the same product, just not, it's like a prescription. This is the OG drug. And then versus getting a generic one, we're paying a little bit more for the original, uh, versus the generic. Correct. So this is Jeremy walled utilities director. So, um, the chemical used is a proprietary blend. It was chemically foreign related for our sewer system. And, uh, we're currently through or going through a pilot study right now to look at alternatives. Um, it's a several year pilot study because you have to test this, uh, controls odors within the sewer system, as well as corrosion within the pipes. So you don't want to just do a pilot study and change the chemicals and then the pipes break. So it's very careful, slow, tedious process, but we are existing, uh, pilot study that we're currently going through to evaluate feasible alternatives because the price is expensive. Awesome. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate the question. Um, okay. Anybody else? All right. Um, bring up the card. And I mean, yes, Mr. Chair. Okay. That, uh, motion carries unanimously. Item 25. Uh, this is updating the utilities policy manual. The changes are listed within your packet. Motion by Commissioner Nowicki. Second by Commissioner Scott. Any questions or comments? Bring up the card, please. And I mean, yes, Mr. Chair. Motion carries unanimously. And then I can just say, and then just thank you staff for including the opt-out policy. So thank you, uh, in the back for that. Okay. Item 26. It's a termination of an agreement for fiber analysis services. Uh, the BTS is recommending it just due to fiscal budget constraints. Motion by Commissioner Nowicki. Second. Second by Commissioner Scott. Any questions or comments? Bring up the voting card, please, on item 26. And I mean, yes, Mr. Chair. More. Uh, motion carries unanimously. Item 27. So this is a TEFRA process. This is for a multifamily housing revenue, um, or rental project, uh, J.R. Towers, $20 million, $500. Um, as you know, this is, uh, no, requires no general fund. It's 4% low-income tax credits, what the project is. Okay. A motion? To approve. Motion by Commissioner Scott. Second by Commissioner Nowicki. Questions or comments? A voting card, please. And then a yes, Mr. Chair. Motion carries unanimously. Item 28. Medicare Advantage, third-party, um, uh, administrative services agreement with the United Health Care. This is for our retiree and dependent benefits. Chair. Uh, Commissioner, do we have a motion or no? Go ahead. I just had a quick question on this, Barry. Um, this is $7 million a year. Do, uh, is it, does it, does this cover medical expenses or just services? I, it just says services. I, here comes our HR director. And so, Wade is going to answer all of those questions. Great. And, and, and he'll break down the cost. Most retirees pay for the cost. Okay. That's where he's going to answer. Hi, Wade Feldes, Chief Human Resources Officer. So, this is a Medicare Advantage contract. So, uh, a lot of this is actually paid for by the federal government for Medicare, right? So, we pay a portion of it. Um, we are looking at about a 10% increase over the last week of contract with Aetna. We're moving over to UnitedHealthcare. Uh, we do have a two-year rate guarantee, so it's about 5% a year increases. The county pays approximately 31% of the cost. And the, uh, retirees pay about 68% of the cost. And, um, the, the costs actually are determined by when did the retirees start work? When did they retire? How many years of service did they have? Because over time, the rules have changed. They've gotten a little bit, um, less generous over time. So, more recent retirees, uh, do not have as generous of a contribution as retirees that retired a while ago. So, back in 2000, about 2010, um, in downturn of the economy, you changed benefits. And so, you grandfathered in and you graduated out the amount that retirees are, uh, are owed in retirement. And so, newer employees, um, don't receive anything or receive a small supplement. Older employees have, um, some. So, that's when that change was made. So, we're just honoring that. Okay. And, and this covers medical expenses, not just the servicing agreement itself. Yeah. It's a, it's a health insurance plan. Okay. It was. It was a Medicare Advantage plan. Okay. Thank you. Um, can you bring up the voting card, please? Oh, did you have a question? Okay. Do we have a motion? I don't believe we do. No, I don't think we did. You're right. Motion. Motion by Commissioner Shearer. Second by Commissioner Scott. Bring up the voting card, please. I mean, yes, Mr. Chair. Motion cover is, uh, passes unanimously. Item 29. Under item number 29, this is, um, just to give, just to give you a bit of background, this is a recommendation from staff and a confidential memo that I briefed each one of you on. This is in response to a settlement demand that was made to the county by the SPCA. On that item, I am recommending that you follow staff's recommendation as set forth in the confidential memo that each of you were briefed on last week. Move approval. And, um, before we vote, and that's as far as we could go with your commentary. We can't, we can't say what your recommendation was. We, this is an item that's proceeding under a confidential memo because it's a pre-suit settlement discussion, which is confidential. There is attorney-client work product that is involved in there, and I would encourage you not to discuss it. I understand. I got you. That kind of privilege is the board's to waive, certainly not mine. I would recommend against that, however. But I did want to make it clear, this is you responding to a settlement demand that was made to the county by SPCA. Staff's recommendation on how to handle that is contained in the memo. Right. I got you. Um, we had one person who was, again, they just said against SPCA, um, and she is waiving speaking. That was Connie Laurie. Um, and then we had a speaker, David Glenn, um, and David, you have three minutes if you want to speak, address the commission. Good afternoon. Um, my name is David Glenn Jr. And I live in Pinellas County Commission District 6. Many of us are here today because the Pinellas County Animal Services performed their job professionally when they charged the SPCA of Tampa Bay and Martha Bowden, the CEO, with cruelty to animals in reference to the severe mistreatment of Waddles the pig. The SPCA left this pig outside without adequate protection or shelter to die. Ironically, Waddles had to be rescued from the SPCA and has been nursed back to hell. The SPCA should not be rewarded for this reprehensible behavior, not to mention all of the other unethical behavior occurring behind the scenes at the SPCA under the direction of Martha Bowden. But that's another story for another time. The SPCA of Tampa Bay initially pled guilty to the charges, and then when they realized they would be accepting responsibility for the neglect, they were able to retract their guilty plea and take the issue to trial. Unfortunately, the ill-informed judge found the SPCA not guilty. This doesn't mean that the SPCA didn't neglect Waddles or that the Pinellas County Animal Services service officers did anything wrong. In fact, after the trial was over, a video showing the healthy condition of Waddles arriving at the SPCA facility and being welcomed by SPCA staff members magically materialized. If this video had been shown at the trial, the SPCA would have been found guilty of the neglect. This begs the question, did the SPCA of Tampa Bay withhold key evidence from the trial? That is what should be investigated, not rewarded with $250,000 of our taxpayer money. In response to this issue before us, Commissioner Peters needs to be immediately recused herself from all discussion or votes on this issue. As a matter of public record, she has gladly accepted multiple re-election campaign contributions from Martha Bowden, the CEO of the SPCA of Tampa Bay. From all appearances, it looks like she is compromised, and her vote has already been bought and paid for. This is inappropriate and unethical behavior for a county commissioner, especially when we're talking about this stuff, these results being done, you know, behind closed doors. This type of unethical behavior is not the first time this has happened. The last time an animal issue came before this commission, the commissioners voted not to restrict the sale of puppies in Pinellas County by commercial pet stores that often deal with unregulated puppy mills. Practically, the day after the decision was made, several pet store owners made sizable political donations to both Commissioner Peters and Commissioner Scott's re-election campaigns. I can't help but wonder if this was some type of quid pro quo going on behind closed doors. Either way, it doesn't reflect well on the dignity of the county commission, and this behavior should be further investigated. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Appreciate it. And just, if you could just explain again real quickly the confidential nature of it and of this negotiation process. These are, this is a, this was brought to us as a, characterized as a pre-litigation demand for settlement. Such matters are confidential under Florida law. It is not something subject to a public records request. Anything that's proceeding forward under your risk management program where we receive a claim, everything is held in confidence so that we are able to dispose of those claims, you know, your attorneys and staff working together. We don't often get an opportunity to have an attorney client privilege with our client in a government setting. This is one of those areas where we do have the ability to maintain some confidential, some confidentiality to attorney work product. I will say the letter that the county received from the SPCA and the county's response to that letter were provided under public records requests. They're not part of this agenda, but they certainly give some thought process as to how we, how we would have responded. Okay. Thank you. Um, and that, all of that information at the end of a process would be available. Any of those confidential conversations that we've had, right? Normally, normally we're dealing with matters that are already in litigation. Uh, once litigation is concluded, whether it's through a final judgment or a dismissal or however it may be disposed of as a final, you know, with finality, uh, files become public on something like this. It's a risk claim. I think I would have to go back and look and see what the timeframe is for something like this, where it is a risk matter, uh, doesn't mean it might not turn into litigation. Um, we would certainly not be filing suit. We would be defending a suit if that would turn into the case, but it is a matter of confident, you know, of confidentiality. We don't get very many opportunities to have that. I wouldn't recommend that we waive any confidentiality cause we don't know what may come. And just real quickly, what you said a minute ago about information that was asked for through a public record that was exempted from this stuff that you sent out. We did not include as backup on this agenda item, the demand that the County received from the SPCA. Uh, I can't remember the law firm that sent it to us off the top of my head, but we did receive a letter from a law firm representing the SPCA demand setting forth what they characterized as the damages they incurred, which was a much higher number, uh, than the two 50 that they ultimately demanded. Uh, your staff does not have the authority to reject a demand of that dollar amount staff's authority stops at $200,000. So we could not reject this demand or do anything like that. We can only accept demand, uh, demands up to $50,000. Um, this, this exceeded all of our authority. We couldn't accept it. We couldn't reject it. So it's here before you for action. Okay. But that letter that we did originally receive, um, one of my lawyers on staff responded to that letter. And those two, uh, pieces of correspondence have been provided to, I can't even remember who, but they have been provided as part of public records. That is a public record, public information. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Oh, commissioner Peters. Yes. Since my opponent has, um, accused me of something unethical, Jules, since you're our county attorney, can you please set the record straight? Um, as he's made accusations against Brian and myself. Um, and I, I know it's politics and he wants to play the games that he wants to play, but would you please clear the record for that? Um, absolutely. Uh, campaign finance contributions are perfectly fine. And when you all are running for election, um, you can receive them from anybody. They are excluded from the definition of gifts under the Florida ethics code, which, you know, is something I talk to you all about all the time. Um, gifts from vendors, from lobbyists, from other, uh, parties that are designated as, um, gifts you cannot receive. Campaign contributions that are made pursuant to the election laws of Florida. Chapter 106 is where that gets discussed in the Florida statutes. Any contribution that complies with the, you all are all aware, any contribution that complies with the very strict, uh, procedural and other standards in the Florida election code are perfectly legitimate. So long as they are not made to curry favor to, you know, as long as they're not made for a corrupt purpose, I'll just throw that out there as the caveat, but anything made pursuant to the campaign finance laws are absolutely legitimate for any of you, for anybody coming before the board with business, uh, vendors, you know, even people that might be suing us. Those are all perfectly legitimate. I will tell you, you have all gotten, uh, campaign, some of you have gotten campaign contributions in the past from people that have active litigation against the county. Um, it's just, it's, it's the way the code is written. And I will say the ethics code in the state of Florida is written in a manner to recognize that those of you all that are elected to office live and work in the communities you represent and that you have to be able to, you have to be able to get elected and be able to get out there. And so they, they recognize that you can't just be put into a, you know, a bubble and not otherwise exist. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Okay. Um, do I have a motion for staff's recommendation? We have a motion. Okay. Thank you. Uh, bring up the voting card, please. For item 29. Mr. Chairman. Yes. Motion carries unanimously. Anything else? Uh, uh, Yes, I do. Just very quickly. I wanted to give you all a report. We have, um, talked with you a bit in the past about, um, the administrative action taking place out on the, our beaches here, uh, an action that was filed by the town of Bella Shore to try to vacate the erosion control line, which would be detrimental to your beach nourishment projects. Um, they've been dismissed. There've been some other parties that have come on. I just wanted to give you all the report. We are proceeding forward with the actions that continue to be filed really under the original authority that you gave us to get involved. However, we might, but just for the rest of you, I did talk to the, to our chair, just to kind of say, we're getting ready to file something else, but we are proceeding under authority that you all gave us. There have been residents that have gotten involved, some other towns and things of that nature. We do have outside council engaged. And I just wanted to give you all an update that is still ongoing. And there is another related action that we will be joining while seeking to intervene. Any questions for the attorney? Okay. Commissioner, uh, Mr. Burton. Quick update, uh, on the Suncoast center. So you've got the hospital's attention, um, and the chair sent out letters. They're meeting tomorrow. Um, all children's has actually said, you know, they prefer giving funding, but that'll be made as a group. Um, but they're meeting tomorrow. So more to come, but, um, they're meeting and discussing how to resolve the issue. Good. That's all I have. Okay. Thank you. Um, we now move on to the appointments to the tourist development council and we'll have a ballot being sent around. And Mr. Chair, I'm happy to read out my names when she's done. Okay. Just, yeah. Give us, give us just a minute. Yeah. When she's ready. Thank you. And do you have an extra ballot over there for commissioner? She'll read it off to you in just a minute. One minute. Commissioner Peters. Okay. When you're ready, then commissioner Peters will read off hers to you. Are you ready? I am. Go ahead. Okay. On, uh, column one, I would vote for Doreen Moore and Seth on column two, Ted Baker and Gary Namm and column, um, I'm sorry, commissioner from the big, yeah. On column two, you pick, you're picking who? The top two. Okay. Um, there's three in total. Okay. I got it. Sorry. Todd Baker and Gary Namm. I apologize. Yes. And then on, um, on the big C, uh, Scott Tate and on the ex officio, I would pick both of them, Phil and Russ. Okay. Thank you, commissioner. Thank you. All right. And we'll let you deal with that complicated vote while we move on to, and we'll come back to that. We'll go on to item 20, uh, 33. And it looks like we have three candidates for three positions on item 33. Move approval. I have a motion by commissioner let Valen a second by commissioner Scott. Um, bring up the voting card for item 33. I, I, I'm, oh, I'm a yes. Motion carries unanimously. Okay. You ready? Or do you? No, sorry. I need a little bit more time. Okay. Thank you. No problem. No problem. Um, we're right. We have, uh, item 34 is normally we go through and each give our updates. We have two items for discussion that were brought forth by commissioner Nowicki. One was a proposed handbook amendment changes. And the other was, and we'll do that first. And then we'll, the second one will be the automated license plate reader resolution conversation. So let's start with the handbook changes. This one, right? Any comments by the commission on this one? Any discussion, any direction on decision today or further discussion in a future meeting? Or just, you know, let me know what your, yeah, commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would have to concur with, um, commissioner Brian Scott, um, and his comments from our workshop. Um, I know when I first got here, um, you know, just trying to find out what the SOPs were as it relates to how the floor operated was a challenge for me, um, because there were a lot of things that were not laid out as related to what our ability to do individually as a commissioner or how and or when to, you know, bring something forward and whatnot. And so, um, that handbook was, was written and presented to us for us to review and to, you know, put our requests in for changes and things of that nature. I think it's pretty comprehensive. I think we do have a process currently, um, where, you know, during a workshop or prior to a workshop, we can express what we want to come forth and bring it to a workshop. And then, you know, you know, you need at least four votes or whatever. So, um, I'm supportive of the way that it's being handled now. And I don't, I don't desire to add in extra language or put in any extra clauses. I think we can, you know, bring it forth. And to the best of my knowledge, um, unless I missed it when I was not present, I don't think there's anything that any one of us wants considered, um, by our colleagues in an open setting that hasn't been considered. So, yeah, I think this is, if it's done currently by the, what, week and a half ahead of time or whatever that is, is it 10 days or go ahead there. The question is, is if a commissioner places an item directly onto the agenda. So what I'd said is just meet the staff's timeline for that submittal. If you want that, uh, the ability without coming to the commission and asking to be able to put it on, um, a future agenda, that's the typical way you've done that. We've had commissioners bring an item. You say, I want to talk about X and, and they put it on for, and we get staff's concurrence. We put it on for a future agenda. Staff does an analysis. Then you have a staff recommendation with the item. The proposed amendment would say that the commissioner can bring an item and put it directly onto the agenda without the discussion at a work session. So on a timely basis or it would be on the next agenda. So no, I understand, but they bring it up at any time prior to it being printed. Is that, is that the issue here? Yeah, what I passed on on Thursday that if you want to consider that, that I would ask that they meet the same, uh, timeline as staff, uh, our departments, because then we have a chance to number it, you know, make sure it goes to the county attorney, et cetera, and stuff. Um, so if, if you want to consider it, I would ask that you follow that process. But the question is, is whether you can have an item placed directly on the agenda by one commissioner. Um, and at this point, without discussion, I understand at this point, um, a commissioner, uh, can come forward at a meeting, right? Talk through his, his or her items that they've done like we normally do and has, and then brings up at a point of discussion that we'd, I'd like to have further discussion at the next meeting, for instance, and then we could say, you can put that on the agenda, print, print it out on the agenda at our, at that, at that direction at a meeting. Okay. A little bit different. Um, so if you, let's just, for instance, you come to a Thursday workshop and say, I want to do X commissioner, any commissioner. Um, well, I can't put that, I can't print that on the agenda. I understand, I'm not, I'm not talking about that. So if, so if you want to, you could actually come to a Thursday meeting and say, I want to pass a resolution that does X and you can add it to the agenda at the Tuesday meeting. Okay. So that's, that's how we currently have it. Or you could say, I'd like to get it on a future agenda. So that's current. And then, and then. Then we would print it. Then you can print it with that request. Or we'd have commission direction. I got you. So I got you. The difference is whether you just want to add a direction to the agenda. Okay. Got it. Yes. Commissioner, uh, let Bella. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm a little hesitant to just allow a commissioner to play something directly on, on an agenda. Um, because I can, we have a congenial, uh, commission now, but I can think of instances, you know, when we wouldn't. And I could think of, you know, forcing your colleagues to vote on all sorts of things. Um, especially at election time that would put, um, each other and, and all sorts of, uh, positions, uh, that could be unrelated to county commission business and take up time and, and, you know, things like that. So I think, you know, what we have, uh, uh, in place now works with some modifications of, um, you know, going through staff and, and things like that. And, um, um, but I think also, um, you know, having, giving commissioners the ability to, hey, Barry, here's something I want to put on the agenda. Um, you know, and letting Barry, you know, work the votes and, and things like that to make sure that there are, um, you know, it doesn't necessarily have to have four votes. But, um, you know, when I wanted something on the agenda, I think we had whopping two votes and he still put it on the agenda. And so I think, um, you know, um, making sure that Barry, if somebody has an idea, um, you know, Barry needs to, to work with that and, and make sure that it, um, you know, gets on the agenda, you know, at that, uh, proper time and, and is prompt. Um, so I think, you know, what we have now works, uh, with, you know, some slight, you know, modifications. And, uh, and it does, and we can come to any commission meeting and get that direction from your colleagues. Yeah. Did you have anything else you wanted to add? Yeah. I mean, I have nothing to add. I, you know, it's, uh, I think would kind of be the only local government board that I'm aware of that doesn't allow an elected official to get something placed on the agenda. So if it's not the will of this board to have it done that way, then I won't motion to amend it, but just because you, you can get it on the agenda. You bring it to us for discussion. I think what we have now is pretty close to that. And I think with some slight changes, um, right. Well, staff can still say no technically, but I think if staff says no, you come to a meeting and say, you know, why is Barry not allowing me to put this on the agenda? And then we talk about it. I mean, I, I mean, I got consensus for, you know, people around this table for a workshop, for a master plan for our airport over a year ago and still haven't gotten it. Um, so, I mean, there's multiple times where I've asked for things and don't, you know, even get consensus from my colleagues and it still doesn't get brought up. But yet other things get advanced, um, after the fact much rapidly. Well, so maybe, so maybe this is a, uh, uh, uh, uh, a response to a more deeper issue that certain commissioners are getting, uh, favoritism perhaps, uh, from staff. And if that's the case, that shouldn't happen. I, I think Barry should treat everyone equally. Right. Yeah. I mean, uh, maybe less so the older for the older commissioners and treat the younger people with more respect. And he should have his own personal parking spot. Uh, so, yeah, I mean, you know, maybe it's a, you know, an issue, uh, a systemic deeper, this is a response to that, you know, feeling like, you know, I'm not getting, uh, you know, I mean, I sent, uh, you know, an email a couple of weeks, you know, last week on, uh, the Keystone road to Barry and never still, still haven't gotten a response on it. Um, you know, Tom responded to everybody, but I still never even got, you know, an acknowledged, Hey, you know, I've received your email for three, four days after, you know, he said in an email that you were all on previously that he should and could respond saying, Hey, I got something, you know, I'm working on it. So, I mean, again, I think this is a deeper issue, maybe just with me and my, you know, our administrator, I've, you know, been trying to, to work with him and, um, but I just feel like I can't really get, um, anywhere. So, yeah, again, again, I, I'll get to you just one second, Barry. Again, if there's that issue, you bring it to this commission at a meeting and say, this is what I'd like to have discussed. And we all go, Hey, that's a great idea. Put it on for, for, for, for, for, for this, for staff preparation for a workshop. Every item has a different path or a lead path to get finished. Cause some of them are simple and some of them are complicated. It doesn't mean response shouldn't be there. Barry, we did respond to the commissioner's, uh, email, uh, staff responded on my behalf. And, and so we, one, I did acknowledge it and two, then staff and turn responded. Um, and we copied all the commissioners. So you had all had the information equally. Okay. So first the second issue, and this, it is. And then this stems out of the flock camera issue. We had a disagreement because my direction from the commission was to put it onto a work session, not to add it directly to the agenda, which is what the commissioner wanted. And so I, I even discussed that with Jewel because I wanted to see if I'm reading this right, because I was trying to be responsive to this board and the direction provided. And so those are the subtleties that go into this, uh, the agenda development. And I think I followed the direction of the board. And sure. I mean, just, I mean, the direction of the board was to have no action taken before the sheriff. I mean, that was the express action. I think what the administrator is giving is an interpretation of that, but the expressed action of the board was not to have any action taken. Until the sheriff gave the presentation, which I asked for it to be placed on the agenda after the sheriff gave the presentation. That was the direction of the board was that no action on a resolution be taken until after the sheriff gave his presentation. What was the, uh, well, I mean, we could go around. Yeah, it is an interpretation issue. We could go around and say, what was your interpretation of the actions that would have occurred? And if I ask you individually, I bet most of you, I'm, I'm positive. Most of you would say that we were going to be discussing it at an agenda, at a work session, not seeing it as an action item on the next board agenda. Okay. That direction would have occurred at that workshop. Correct. And, and so that's an interpretation and that's the challenge that I have when putting the agenda together, each commissioner. And so someone has to make a decision. Unfortunately, that's me. That creates conflict. Um, and I haven't had that before, but you know, we do today. And so, you know, this is the reason for the discussion. Okay. Anything else? No, I'm pretty good at counting votes. Doesn't seem like the votes are there. So, um, I'm not, I'm not sensing support. Um, is there anybody here who wants to support the, the change or? Oh, Kathleen. I'm sorry. Uh, commissioner Peters. Oh, that's, that's fine. Um, Mr. Chair. Um, no, I, I agree with commissioner flowers. And commissioner Latvala. Um, I, I think we've got a great system and it works. Um, I was not truly expecting the resolution for the flat cameras as quickly as they came. I was expecting a workshop and then discussing it and seeing if we were going to move forward. Um, and as we always do, we agree on what we want in that, but that's not how this worked out. Um, and so this was different than what we always do. Um, and so I, I just don't think that's a necessary change that we need to make. I think we have a system that works really, really well. Um, and so I, I, clearly I don't support it. Um, I, I think there's four or five people that have said that, uh, they don't want to make any changes on that. Uh, commissioner and a wiki. Thank you for bringing that forward and you continue to do what you do and make changes as you see fit. Um, again, remember this board meets, uh, at workshops. We can talk about at the end of a workshop, we meet at commission meetings, we can talk about anything you want to bring up at a commission meeting. There's no rules that say you can bring up anything you would like. And if you get enough support here for workshop or a, or a vote or whatever, you'll get that direction here for the administrator to, to move forward. Um, I think it works pretty well also. Okay. The second item on the list is the automated license plate reader resolution. Um, we did have a workshop. Uh, the sheriff was there for discussion. Um, you know, quite frankly, and I'm just, I'm just adding a personal comment here. We have had some people come forward, um, with what I consider some credible discussion points. And I'm not talking about the specific specificity of it, but just the idea of some numbers of plates, red. I'm just looking at one of our speakers today, plates, plates, red and in the California district, 71% of those were 71% of those were read by, uh, by people that shouldn't have been doing it. It shouldn't have been using that data. Uh, I mean, again, I don't have the specificity of the case, the check and balance information, um, information access and the, and the, and the questions about that there, there's been enough issues and questions brought up. And I know that the sheriff was here before, and he did mention that there was change improvements that he, he envisioned himself. Um, so we have that on the, on the, on our, on our discussion points today to have any further discussion we want here, um, and giving direction, um, to where we're going to go from here. Uh, and if we're prepared to go from here to another workshop for discussion, um, maybe we need to dig into it a little bit more. The sheriff understands obviously a lot of the questions that are out there. He, he fielded a lot of them at the last meeting, um, and he himself, you know, likes the overall benefit, of course, but had, and I'm not going to put words in the sheriff's mouth, but, but that there were areas that could be improved. And, um, and so anyway, um, so here we are to have that discussion. Um, and so I open it to the commissioners, commissioner, uh, let Bella, um, since the sheriff is here, if he's willing, can I ask him some questions? Sure. You can come on up to the podium if you don't mind, by the way, welcome. And thanks for being here, uh, sheriff. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much for being here, sheriff. Um, if we, if the commission decides to, uh, pass a resolution removing your cameras, um, what would you do? Well, I, I think I understand the question to be that if you were to pass a resolution saying that the ALPR cameras cannot be on county property and county right away, because that's about all you can do. I'll just move them, put them up somewhere else. You know, I mean, just like all the other ones that are out there. So would they still, and I would say to that is, is that, you know, you probably got to start with your own. Uh, so your cameras would, the, the Pinellas sheriff's office cameras would still be in Pinellas County. And yes, and including the 560 that are in every single patrol car. So, you know, it just, all it's doing is squeezing it from the left hand to the right hand and moving them to a different place. Same thing that's happening with the state cameras. Remember, as I told you last time is, and I had verified again this morning is that when the state de-permitted the police departments and sheriff's offices, that's all they did. They didn't take theirs down. There's still cameras sitting on 275 in St. Petersburg from the Florida Highway Patrol. FDLE still has cameras out there. Ag Law has. There's just under 300 state cameras that are out there. So all we did is move them off of FDOT right away. They're not down. So the, um, when the governor made the big announcement that he made, and I believe did an executive order, it really didn't do much. Not as far as I'm concerned, because again, all it did was to say that the Florida Department of Transportation had to revoke the permits that they had given us to put them on Florida Department of Transportation right away. Uh, it didn't, again, it didn't order that any cameras were taken down. All it did is say that you can't put them on there right of way. So that's all, that's all it said is that they had to revoke the permits, but the state law enforcement agencies didn't need permits. So they just left theirs up. It didn't affect anything else. So, um, not counting your cameras, that if we did something, you would just move them someplace else. Um, how many state cameras and other municipal cameras, um, are there in Pinellas County? And if you don't know the exact number, do you know like an approximate number? Yeah. So approximately, if you look at all of the, um, I'll call it stationary ALPR cameras that we know about in Pinellas County. So stationary means that they're affixed to something and they're either on a pole on the side of the road. They're affixed to something is that there's just under 300. Okay. Um, and those, and if we, um, banned cameras from county right of ways and you said, okay, fine, like I'm not going to move my cameras, like I'm just going to take them down. They would still be 300 cameras in Pinellas County. Yeah. I mean, you know, of course, you know, I'm going to follow the law. So if you all pass an ordinance and said that, and, and, or you revoke the permits through a resolution is that, you know, I don't be clear is, is that, you know, I'm going to move them off of your property, but I'll just move them somewhere else. Yeah. Do you know, does that 300 cameras, does that include the cameras on private property? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yes. And there's a number of them that are on the ones right now, approximately the ones that are on, uh, County right of way is, is probably about 60, give or take. How confident, um, are you? And I've talked to some legislators, uh, myself. How confident are you that the legislature is going to take action this year? I can't, I can't, I can't state that strongly enough. I mean, a thousand percent, a million, they're, they're going to do something. There's no question about it. And they should. And like I told you when I was here last time, I, I support that because we have to have consistent guardrails. And so I don't think there's any question whatsoever that the Florida legislature is going to take this up and pass a bill. And I support them taking it up and passing the bill. And, uh, we in the Florida Sheriff's Association, I assume the police chiefs, uh, others are going to be right there and say, yeah, this is what we need to do. So we just need to give it time and let the process, of course, the, uh, legislature will start having, uh, committee meetings, uh, after, uh, the election. And then the session starts in March. And I, I, I fully expect that this will be one of the first bills that is taken up. Um, and you believe that that legislation would include, uh, parameters, um, and around who can view it, how long y'all would keep that data. Uh, the audits and things like that. All of the above. Yeah. It, it, it, you know, I'm very confident and there's already discussions that are being had, uh, about all of those things to make sure that agencies have policies to, uh, I don't think there's any doubt. Remember Florida law right now is that you can retain ALPR reads for three years. That's going to get reduced and reduced probably significantly. Uh, as far as audits are concerned. I mean, all the things that we need and what the public's looking for and what people need assurances to make sure it's done right. Uh, there's no doubt that all of that's going to get addressed by the Florida legislature. Um, I'm confident as you are that the Florida legislature is going to do something, um, in the event that they do not, um, is there like a county ordinance that we can do jewel that, um, would put protections on the data that the sheriff's office, like who views it and, um, how long they store it or would that be a little bit out of our lane? I would want to take a look at that off the top of my head. I would say most likely not. Um, we can certainly can, can control our own infrastructure, you know, and who puts cameras on our infrastructure. But what you're talking about really gets more towards records retention, which is something that the state does. So all of the public records that we have, there's a records retention schedule that's dictated by the state of Florida. And I suspect these may be included in that. So we could not override that. Okay. We could take a look at it, but my, my reaction is we most likely could not override that. Okay. Your question was if the, if the state doesn't. Yeah. If they do not do something, which, which I'm like the sheriff, I'm pretty confident that they will do something this year because Pinellas County is not alone. Um, and, um, our, uh, we're not going to do something. Our sheriff is very influential and, uh, some of his colleagues are, are very influential in their own counties and, and in the state. Um, and so, um, and, and I've spoken to, to some of my old legislative colleagues about this. And I, um, if I was a betting man, I would bet that, that the legislature is going to take action. And so my preference, um, is that we wait to see what the legislature does. And we may even put this in our, uh, legislative, um, priorities and make it a fact priority. Um, I happen to know the president, uh, very attractive, um, young lady, um, and yeah, she's a lot younger than the chair. Um, and, but I think that we, you know, use the legislative angle and then if the legislature doesn't work, we can always go back to this and, um, um, you know, may and do something after the fact. Um, sheriff, those areas of concern that you're talking about that you think that they will address, you address some of them at our last meeting. Is there any way that we could synopsize what those are and what you, what you see happening independent of what the state legislators, you were talking about some improvements to the process, uh, where we are and working on that, what's going on independently of what the state. Sure. I think all the things that we're doing that we're improving are the things that the state would incorporate, um, because it's all best practices. And what we would suggest that the legislature do is to incorporate into law, all of those best practices. So it's being done by everybody. Um, and you know, what we had found, uh, were, you know, there were some agencies as an example that were using ALPRs that didn't have a policy. They weren't doing any audits. They weren't. So, uh, it needs to be consistent, but we've even made improvements since I was here last and talked to you with the audit process. Uh, now, uh, in one of the particular, uh, manufacturers, they have an automated, uh, audit process that is now online and we'd be able to go back and look at everything that was, uh, queried in the past and, um, use that audit tool, uh, to, in an automated way, do a more comprehensive audit. I mean, so those are some of the things that we were auditing all along. I want to be clear with that. Uh, and, but we weren't able to audit as extensively because we didn't have some of the tools that we have now and really in the last couple of weeks. And we're in the process of doing that. I, you know, I, I, of course, I, I hope what we find is, is that we don't have any problems, but we may well, uh, and we'll address it if we do. So we're, you know, cleaning it up and, uh, using those tools that are now being developed. So there it's evolving, uh, and getting better. Uh, but, you know, what the legislature is going to do, I believe, and what they should do is to take all of this and all of these best practices and just incorporate it in statute to make sure that we have at the highest levels continuity, uh, in the process. And, and as I said before, uh, is that, and I, I really, I know this, that the, the use of them comes down to one legal issue. It's all the, the best practices are different from what is a legal question with the use and the legal question for the use. And the courts have to figure this out just, just as they've done with many other things that we have done over time is the, and people refer to it as the tracking aspect of it. And that is the legal question. Again, as I said before, simply taking a photograph of a license plate on the back of a car on a street, that's never going to be an issue. No court has ever found and no court will ever find that that's an issue. So it, it, and the courts will evolve on this, uh, tracking aspect of it. And, but the rest of it is putting best practices in place to ensure that, that it's being done right. And there's no misuse and that people, there's as much transparency in it as we can have. Commissioner Flowers. Thank you. Um, um, I appreciate the conversation and I'm not going to, um, reiterate the things that I said at our last meeting as it relates to why, excuse me, as it relates to why I support, uh, the use of, uh, ALDRs. Flock is the name of one of many companies. It just kind of got the, the little handle. Um, I, uh, stopped to a store on my way here and, you know, I was on candid camera. Fortunately, I had a cute little suit, but I was on candid camera. The one thing I did see was that some, um, organizations, um, uh, the ALDRs have gone from a 30 day retention of record to seven day retention of record. So that's something that can be looked at. Um, the other thing that I believe I shared at the last meeting was maybe tightening protocols, um, and timeframes by which the data is reviewed so that someone who is using them for illicit purposes will probably be caught much sooner than, um, uh, some of the timeframes from the two offices. Um, and, and that's the sad thing about it. Technology is good until someone utilizes it for the wrong reason. And when someone utilizes it for the wrong reason, that's when it becomes the problem. Same with AI, you know, utilize for the right reasons, right purpose, chat GTP and everything else is good to go. Utilize for the wrong reason. And then it becomes the focus of attention. Um, again, I could not, uh, look a family in the face who one of these ALDRs has been able to track or capture a car that has, uh, you know, snatched someone in traffic them or the situation that I brought up with the city employee, or when we see the signs, um, silver alert, and it'll have the make and model of the car and the tag number, persons with dementia or Alzheimer's who have taken off on a drive, um, and ended up, you know, sometimes in another state. And that is the way that they were founded. I also, I wanted to draw also attention to page number two of the handout that was given from the gentleman. Um, contrary to what some people may believe about us. I know I read when people give us, you know, information while they're talking, I try to skim it over. And he did talk about all flock license plate readers will become video cameras. What he did not do was read the balance of the sentence that says as a no cost optional upgrade. So he only shared the first two sentences of what he provided from his research. He didn't go on to say, if you want that upgrade, which is what this clearly says. And that is something that you've not asked for, for the upgrade to be able to do that. Um, and I have read the emails that we've received and even the gentleman that came today and stated some statistics from California, Arizona, um, and some other places. Even when I did my own research and just looking at the different systems that other countries use, they do the same thing, but they are a different system that's in China. Um, and I think Australia was another one, if I'm not mistaken, but, um, I'm, I'm happy, uh, commissioner a lot valid. We know this is going to be one of the things for our committee, our policy committed with fact. And, um, um, I'm happy to, and I freely invite anyone who doesn't serve on the health justice and safety committee. You can still chime in, you know, you can still sit in on any of those committed meetings, um, uh, to hear what's being said and what support is going forward. So the last thing that, um, um, um, I would like to share regarding the utilization of, of, uh, the ALDR cameras is that, um, I'm still a little perplexed cause these things have been around and they've been throughout the communities since about 2009. 2009. And again, it's when someone does something wrong with the use that it then becomes the major part of a, um, of a conversation. And, um, not to say that it shouldn't because it shows that at least residents are paying attention. I'm glad about that. They're paying attention. They're bringing their comments forward. I think if we tighten the protocols, um, for usage, for access, for retention of records, um, for, um, use of service when they can be engaged and, and when not, um, I think we'll come out with something. Um, but I don't, um, I don't see us telling the sheriff to remove his when we have them at the airport as a, uh, safety measure when they are, um, at Tampa international airport or any airport you go into when we go to an airport and give the person our ticket. They have you step in front of that little thing and it takes a picture of your face. Um, the whole while you're moving around and about, if you're visiting certain government buildings, you are on candid camera. When you go into seven 11, Walgreens, Walmart, Sam's club, Costco, you're on candid camera. Um, and so again, it is the, the wrong use of these devices that make them the issue, not the use by which they were conceived in the first place. And, you know, this may be conspiracy theory to some, but my brother was in the military and way back yonder, he was dealing with, uh, equipment and computers that some of us are just now getting. We don't really know what all is being utilized that we don't see or have access to, or we're not privy to access to not saying from you, I'm just talking government in general. So, um, I, I, I, uh, I support them remaining. I know that's not going to be the, that's not popular with some people in the community. And I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a ton of emails, uh, about, uh, you know, my support of LDRs. Um, but that's why I'm sitting in this seat to make hard decisions. And sometimes those decisions are not ones that may be some constituents are happy with. I will tell you though, that, um, I've been places and I've had people say they, they want them to stay. Um, and so I'm getting both sides of the coin, but I just wanted to share that, um, for the gentleman that provided the information I'm thankful and grateful that he did. And for everyone that's been sending emails, I'm thankful and grateful, um, and share for your presentation to us and even being here today to answer questions. Um, I appreciate it. We typically are a real good partner. When I say we, the County Commission and the Sheriff's office and other local, um, police departments, we're, we're typically good partners. Why? Because we want to make sure that everybody is as safe as possible and use the tools that we have at our disposal, um, to do some. So, so I just clarify a couple of points there. If I could, one is on the guy who's talking about, and I haven't read, so I don't know what he's talking about with California, but I just ask you to just keep in mind, ask everybody who's listening to keep in mind, uh, what I said last time is, is that there are different iterations and variations of these systems that are out there. Some are government, some are private. And so we have to be careful that when we're talking about, and if we are, somebody is expressing concern or being critical of what law enforcement and the government's doing, that it's the government system that they have their data on. And it's not the private system because it's very different, uh, and how it's treated and how it's stored and what the requirements are. I also have to be careful with all these manufacturers because they have different lines of equipment with different lines of cameras. So somebody, you mentioned something about somebody talking about, about digital cameras and, um, you know, digital cameras versus an old, well, I guess, analog camera, if it's a still camera, but when you're talking about video, we don't do video. And I, um, you know, it was very clear. I think last time when I was here is, is that of all of our cameras, except for the dash cameras in the cars, but what the cameras people are concerned about as they are referring to them as the flock cameras is, is, is that they have zero, no video capability and they won't. Our policy expressly says that we will only take still photographs. That's it. So the details in this conversation really do matter. Uh, and it, it, it is complicated and, and unfortunately, and I think it's sad that, uh, people are seeing bits and pieces and then forming opinions that give them concern when they don't have the whole picture of it. So there, there really is a lot here, but I don't, you know, to say that there's whatever that number, commissioner Eggers, that person gave you that at least 71% of the cameras were, uh, it's very difficult to respond to something like that without knowing what the actual facts are. And, uh, that makes no sense to me, but again, I think thankfully we're not California. So, um, I can tell you what we do here and how we do it and what's being done in Pinellas County. And that's not that. And the last thing I want to say, Mr. Chair is, um, there are some counties and some cities that have removed the flat cameras because they run the sheriff's office. We have a constitutional officer who he runs the sheriff's office. We do have a couple of communities within the state of Florida where they also run their police department or sheriff's office and they run their jail. Um, and the other thing I want to say is there are some who have issued moratoriums, um, to further communicate about the issue, which moratoriums are good for a year. Um, and then they'll come back and look at them. So again, it's just so many different variations of how people, counties and cities are addressing this, um, that I wanted to make sure that the public also knew about that as well. And the difference between our constitutional share versus sheriff versus, uh, those who actually run their own jails or police department. Um, sure. If the state does take up the action and interesting, one of the comments that was made also would be to get out of it, let policy catch up, let the state feds and state make decisions and then deal with it then. And so what we're talking about is kind of that we're letting the state take the lead on an item for consistency within the state. Is there a way to keep, because one of the concerns that we raised, you raised and you shared was the policies that we create here, not necessarily being policies that are followed elsewhere and their access to our data becomes an, could, could, could become an issue if they're not following what we, the state, assuming that they take that action. Well, you know, one of the things on the access to the data that's important is, and I had a discussion, a follow-up discussion with commissioner Scheer about this. And I think there was some, you know, maybe misunderstanding. Maybe I wasn't clear on it is, is that the only way that anybody, and whether it is another police department in Pinellas County, whether it's a police department somewhere else in Florida, or it's a police department in Washington state or Oregon or Maine or anywhere else, the only way that anybody has any access to our data is if I permit it. So nobody can access our data without me. I have total control over it, total regulation over it. And we have cut some off because of concerns about best practices, concerns about what others are doing. There is great benefit to data sharing. If we have somebody that crosses into the Georgia line, somebody that crosses from Pinellas County to Duval County or Pinellas County to Miami-Dade County. So that exchange of information is paramount to success in maximizing the use of these, again, when it's done the right way. But so, you know, for everybody's comfort, I hope, is, is that all the data sharing is totally controlled by us. And we have complete control over it. So nobody can, from out of the country, nobody from another state, nobody from anything else, can, can just come into our system and access the information. Any other questions for the sheriff? Anything else that we want to discuss now? Pretty much, I was not aware that it's a 1000% possibility that the state's going to take this up, which sometimes, sometimes like the state staying out of our business. In this case, I think it's a good policy to have 50, 67 counties on the same page. Well, yeah, I mean, and I say that because, you know, and I've talked to members of the Senate, members of the House and others, you know, and, you know, the reason why I say that is, is because I think everybody I talked to sees the importance of it. And them doing it is supported by law enforcement. It's not like that we're pushing against it or going to advocate. We say, yes, please do this. So when you have everybody and, you know, everybody knows the legislative process is that when you have consensus that it needs to happen, I don't, there's no doubt that it's going to happen because we're going to be at the front of the line saying, yes, please do this. We just want to make sure that it's done in the best way with the best practices so that it's workable. And all the things that they're talking about is that we're there. I mean, it's a matter, I think it's more a matter of fine tuning and tweaking it, uh, coming up with, you know, right now as an example with timing, somebody mentioned, I think commissioner flowers just mentioned something, you know, somebody mentioned about retention periods. Well, the state did this. Okay. I didn't do it and you didn't do it and people don't like it. They set it at three years. The legislature, they did that. Okay. Is that too long? Some people would say, yeah, it's way too long. Uh, but what's the right number. I think we need to have a discussion on what that right number is and there, whatever that is. Uh, and there's a happy medium between what we're doing and what others are doing. And we just need, those are the kinds of things that need to get worked out. So this is a, again, we can talk about a license plate detection thing. And one of the comments that I've heard several times is that, that those cameras, they catch other things in the, in the picture. Do we use the other things or do we just use the license plate data? Yeah. They can, they can catch something collateral. Remember all these cameras that we're using in Pinellas County are motion activated. So if there's a camera and there's nothing, there's not a car going by because they're focused on the roadway and the angle in the car lanes. And they focus on where the tag would be. The license plate would be on the back of the car in the car. So as I said last time, if somebody had their window down and they're looking out the window and it captures it, sure. You could, you could see it. If somebody is walking down the street at the same time, it's capturing it. Yeah. You're going to pick that up. But again, it's going to be a still photograph and yes, is that's usable. But again, I want to be clear because it was right is that none of these cameras, none of these systems, none of, they don't have facial recognition and they don't have anything else. So if it is capturing anything, it could be a dog on the sidewalk or a person hanging up in the car. It's collateral. It's incidental. It's not intentional. It could capture a bicycle that's sitting on the side of the road. So yeah, it could, but that's not the intention of it. And again, where they're focused and the angle of those is to capture the license plate. Okay. Any other comments? Okay. I'm not getting a sense of doing anything else with it and perhaps making it a part of our legislative issues, which we'll talk about later so that we can give whether they listen to us or not, let our state legislators know how we feel that can come. We'll have that discussion coming up. Commissioners, we will. And individually, several of you raised this issue with Tristan when he talked to you about our state legislative program. So we intend as a follow-up, reach out to the sheriff's office and look at our, what we can do to help support those efforts as part of our state legislative program. Thank you. If you'd like, what I can also do is just provide you all with the information that other commissioners have presented when they've taken this issue up as well within their communities so that you can have it, you know, when you're just covering whatever. Okay. Apparently, just for everybody's information, there is food going to be served. We have a six o'clock meeting for public hearings. So I'm tempted to just say we take a break and miss all of our comments. However, if you have one or two really super critical comments that need to be made, let's do that. Because I do think sometimes we have a lot of things that we bring up that aren't super critical. But if there's one or two items, you're good? Okay. Everybody wait. Everybody wait. Mr. Chair, can I just for the record make the announcements? I'm not finished yet. Let me finish here. Sorry, sir. Yeah. I mean, I don't acquiesce. Just tell me what, you know, I'm just saying I'm fine waiting on my comments. I do have some that I was going to talk about for the 11-17 meeting. But we'll get that out, additional updates and get that out in our office, kind of do not answer back kind of memos. So those are the only things I had. And just to remember Veterans Day on November 11th and go to go to an event, take your kids, make sure they're exposed to all of that. It's good stuff. Olds bars one. There's a lot around the county. So, okay, we are going to adjourn until six o'clock. Up, up, up. Stop. I didn't, I didn't hit the gavel. Go ahead. Sorry about that. And Mr. Chair, if we could with Commissioner Peters, I did have a dialogue with her because she chose four candidates from the top where you were only to pick three. And so we did get her to remove one name. If she could just maybe announce for the record so that it's clear for everybody, the name that was removed from consideration. It was Mr. Nam. Thank you, Commissioner. It was removed. Mr. Nam was removed. The board selected. Hold on. Hold on. She had a question. Commissioner Peters had a question. No, I was clarifying. We just wanted to clarify just for the record. Oh, you're all set. Okay. We're all set, Commissioner. Go ahead. Thank you, sir. The board selected Todd Baker, Doreen Moore, Seth McDaniels for the Big C nominee, Scott Tate, and ex-officio appointees, both Phil Henderson and Russ Kimball. Okay. Thank you. We are adjourned until six o'clock. Click hearings. First up, we have item 35. Thank you, sir. Agenda item number 35 is case number ZON-2605. This is a request by Jonas Abraji, Remobil, LLC, for a zoning change from C2 General Commercial and Services to R2 Single Family Residential for approximately 0.44 acre located on the north side of Robin Avenue, approximately 164 feet east of U.S. Alternate 19 in Palm Harbor. Since this is a quasi-judicial hearing, all those individuals who plan to speak on this item must be sworn in. For those wishing to speak, whether you are attending in-person or virtually, if able, please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth signify by saying I do? The public hearing was properly advertised and an affidavit of publication has been received for filing. No correspondence has been received by the clerk and the matter is properly before the board to be heard. Thank you. We have one person. The applicant is here available. What is the commission? Any questions, comments, action? Motion to approve by Commissioner Nowicki. Second by Commissioner Scott. Okay. There's a motion and a second. Is the applicant here that would like to speak or is this for item 35? Would you like to speak? You come up. Okay. Because we're bring up the card, please. Commissioner Peters is bailed out. She hung in there as long as she could, wasn't feeling good. So there'll only be six of us voting tonight. Motion carries unanimously. Item 36. Agenda item 36 and 37 are companion items. So I'm going to read them together. Agenda item number 36 is case number FLU 2602. This is a request for a future land use map amendment from residential office retail 4.16 acres and preservation 0.66 acre to commercial general 4.12 acres and preservation 0.70 acre. Covering approximately 4.82 acres located at 28870, 28880, 28882, and 28910 U.S. Highway 19 North in unincorporated Clearwater. Agenda item number 37 is case number DVA 2602. This is a request for a development agreement that limits the buildable area, limits the maximum impervious surface ratio to 0.70 and requires a conservation easement on certain areas of the property covering approximately 4.82 acres located at 28870, 28880, 28882, and 28910 U.S. Highway 19 North in unincorporated Clearwater. Since this is a quasi-judicial hearing for all those individuals who plan to speak on this item, you must be sworn in for those wishing to speak. Whether you're attending virtually or in person, if able, please raise your right hand. Do you swear from testimony you're about to give us the truth? The whole truth is nothing but the truth. Signify by saying I do. The public hearings were properly advertised. Affidavits of publication have been received for filing. No correspondence has been received by the clerk in the matters of property before the board to be heard. Thank you. Commissioner Flowers? Mr. Chair, maybe if we could just have staff talk about the non-buildable area that's going to be maintained for preservation. That's fine. I had a few questions myself. Yeah. And that way, I mean, I think it's wonderful, but I want the residents to know as well who may have concerns about that. So I guess we're looking for an abridged version of a presentation. Okay. Very abridged. I think there are a few questions for you, but go right ahead. All right. Let's see. I can go to, there we go. Okay. Yes. The non-buildable area, basically what you have on this property is Curlew Creek, which is a water, basically a waterway goes from the northwest down to the southeast portion of the property. And that area right now is some preservation, basically covers where the creek top of bank goes. The non-buildable area encompasses that and also a 25-foot setback in average from the top of bank of the creek. So it's a 25-year floodplain. It protects the creek's major floodplain there from any type of building activity in the future. So it's part of the development agreement. So it would make that to where it can't be any structures in that section of the property. So does that mean there would be construction on the southwestern piece? So they provided a concept plan. It's non-binding in this case because, if I can, let's see, let me show you right here. If I can go back. There you go. It's non-binding in this case. They're proposing to build a self-storage facility. This is on US-19, an area where they're doing construction right now between Main Street in Dunedin and Curly Road to the north. It's really not, the development agreement is not about the use. Again, along US-19, a lot of uses are appropriate. In this case, the Commercial General is required because the residential office of retail does not allow warehouse uses. Commercial General does. So that's the reason why they're asking for the change. But it could be any type of, it could be a restaurant, it could be retail, anything that's appropriate for commercial along US-19 corridor. But it would be in that general vicinity where you see the building is where the most logical, most likely area of construction would be on this property. So it would be the northeast corner, farthest away from the mobile home park to the west, and it'd be next to an office to the north and more non-residential uses to the south. And of course, US-19 is to the east. And another storage facility is right there on the side. You can see it right there in the corner. So they went through the same process back in 2019. So the consistency up and down that corridor seems to be what it is now. Correct. So we're changing from what it is now. That doesn't cause staff any concerns. No. Because it mostly is in line with what else is being. There's three antiquated older buildings on the property. Old Hamburger Mary's restaurant. There's a retail center area on the southeast corner. And also a multi-story office building. All those would be proposed to be demolished. And that area back there by the mobile home park would be a floodplain compensation area or a pond, something like that. Okay. So that the plan that's there is non-binding? Non-binding. But something that staff is comfortable with? Correct. It's a betterment. It better protects the floodplain. And we are very comfortable with this. Well, I think it also buffers against the residential community, which I think is significant. Yes. They have a parking lot right in front of them now. And that would go away. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Are there any other questions? So we're going to, can we combine the two or do you want to do them separately? Because one's quasi and one's. I suggest that you vote on the land use first because then we would see whether we're moving on to the zone. Fine. That's exactly, we work to separate them for a reason. So a motion by Commissioner Scott on item 36. The second from Commissioner Flowers. Any other questions or comments on the land use piece? Item 36. Bring up the card, please. Oh, excuse me. Hold it. Don't bring up the card. Kevin Reale, if you would like to make a comment, I apologize. I almost jumped the gun on you. Sometimes it's better to listen to which direction we're heading. So you don't say something that changes our mind. Right. And I understand what you're saying there. And Kevin Reale, for the record, I have been sworn on 401 East Jackson Street. Just because there was a question, we're just here to answer questions. But to point out the question about what would be developed on the eastern side there, whatever gets developed, and we're proposing what was shown, but whatever gets developed, that's the low area. That will be floodplain compensation. The new rules are too strict. The site's very pavement heavy. There's no way to redevelop it and maintain that level of pavement. So that's why we work with staff for this, and staff is very helpful. And I think staff would rather you say that than they say that, because it was noncommittal. Nothing's firm yet, but thank you for that. Well, I just think from an engineering perspective, there's no way to push the water to the road. I totally agree with you. Thank you for that comment. Okay. Now you can bring up the voting card. One more. Motion carries unanimously. And now item 37, which is the companion item. Motion by Commissioner Scott. Second by Commissioner Nowicki. Any other questions or comments on item 37? No. Bring up the voting card, please. Motion carries unanimously. Okay. That takes care of item 36 and 37. And we'll move on to item 38. And it also has a companion item 39. Go ahead. Yes. Agenda item number 38 is case number FLU 2510. This is a request for a future land use map amendment from residential low medium to residential office retail on approximately 3.22 acres located on the east side of U.S. Highway 19 North at the terminus of Timber Lane Road in Palm Harbor. Item number 39 is case number ZON 2508. This is a request by Trent Road LLC for a zoning change from RMH residential mobile manufactured home 2.73 acres and R4 123 family residential 0.49 acres to CP commercial parkway 3.22 acres with a development agreement limiting the properties to restaurant, bar, and other accessory uses that support the principal permitted use. Approximately 3.22 acres located on the east side of the U.S. Highway 19 North at the terminus of Timber Lane Road in Palm Harbor. Since this is a quasi-judicial hearing, all those individuals who plan to speak on this item must be sworn in. For those wishing to speak, whether you are attending in person or virtually, if able, please raise your right hand. Do you swear our firm testimony are about to give us the truth? The whole truth is nothing but the truth. Signify by saying I do. The public hearing was properly advertised. Affidavits of publications have been received for filing. We did receive, in regards to the future land use item 38, two emails in opposition. The matter is properly before the board to be heard. Okay. And we have the applicant here, represented by Brian Angst. I am sure he wants... Is he here? I must... He is. Oh, did you want to come forward with a presentation? Because... You went down or staff? No. Did you have... Oh, I guess I'm... Yeah. I jumped the order. My apologies, Brian. All right, Michael, you're on. That's completely my fault. Staff may disagree with me. I figured you just did not want to hear from me again today. Speak very loudly so folks can hear you. Yes. Good evening, Michael Schoderbach, Zoning Manager. So this request is both a future land use change and a zoning change. Property is approximately 3.22 acres. It's located on the east side of U.S. Highway 19 North. It's at the eastern terminus of Timberlane Road, and it's in Palm Harbor. The future land use map amendment request is from residential low-medium to residential office retail. And the zoning atlas is from residential mobile manufactured home and one, two, and three-family residential to CP Commercial Parkway. The proposed use is a restaurant and bar subject to development agreement. Development agreement contains the following conditions in their restrictions. Again, the use would be limited to restaurant and bar and then other accessory uses that support the principal permitted use. The example is the primary use is a restaurant if they have a small gift shop for restaurant items in there, those kind of accessory uses. The property will be developed substantially in conformance with the concept plan, no amplified music on the property at all. The applicant is proposing a two-story building, so a restaurant, and then upstairs is an observation deck bar area. That will be limited to patrons of the restaurant only, so not open to the general public. And on the concept plan, which I'll go over in more details, includes limitations to building size, impervious coverage, flow area ratio, setbacks, buffering, height, and also occupancy. We also, they've agreed to no residential uses to be permitted on this property. And then also, any dock facilities will have to comply with DEP's impaired water body criteria for Lake Tarpon. And at the local planning agency hearing, two additional conditions were added to the development agreement. There's an existing boat ramp on the property. They asked that that be removed prior to the issuance of CO. And any dock facilities that are proposed for this use to not be located on the north side of the property. Then this is the concept plan here. On the east is Lake Tarpon. What you see outlined in black is the general outline of the building. The building, 10,000 square feet, first floor, approximately 5,000 square feet for a second floor over the top of a stormwater pond. You see the entrance comes in from the west with a drive that comes in, parking lot, cul-de-sac. The pink area you see in there, kind of that horseshoe shape, there's a wetland area on the property, and that's a proposed 25-foot buffer off of that wetland. Again, they're trying to limit the impervious area of the property, so they're proposing pervious pavement, turf block, grass, appropriate means to use for the parking lot and drive aisles that will be able to be used by the county, so to offset any impervious requirements. And then additionally, they're limiting the ISR on the property to 0.26, which is the impervious surface ratio. Currently under the RLM, they're allowed 0.75, and under the proposed ROR, they're allowed 0.85, so a significant less ISR. Floor area ratio, they're limiting to 0.11, which currently under the RLM is allowed 0.35, and under the ROR, they're allowed 0.55. They're limiting the building height to 40 feet, where ROR allows 75 feet max, and then they're limiting the maximum building occupancy, which will include patrons and staff, to 465, based on our rough calculation by the Florida Building Code on this size for a restaurant bar, could be 700-plus occupants. So, but they're limiting that to 465. The property location, and here outlined in red, so it's between Alderman Road on the south and Klosterman Road on the north, on the shores of Lake Tarpon. It's surrounded uses along U.S. 19 there to the west of the property is a hotel. To the north is a single-family subdivision. Directly to the south of the property are a couple of single-family homes, and then further south, across to the canal, there's a mixture of multi-family and then single-family. Along the U.S. 19 corridor, there's a different mix of uses of retail, office, other non-residential uses. And I'd point out that this is probably the closest point where U.S. 19 gets the closest to Lake Tarpon, and so it's kind of unusual to find a parcel that's not developed with residential along Lake Tarpon. Just a little closer look at it to see the access there, Timberline Road, which comes off of U.S. 19 back into the property. It's currently vacant. It used to house. Originally, it was an RV park. Then it was a mobile home park, but it's been vacant for a number of years. This shows the future land-use map. The orange is the residential low-medium. Purple is the ROR along U.S. 19. Yellow is residential urban for single-family. Green is preservation. And on the right is the proposed to go to ROR. And then similarly with the zoning, currently it's RMH, which has the mobile home. And then the bottom right of it is RR. It has been a vacant lot, and the proposal is to go to Commercial Parkway. This is looking at the property from Timberline Road, and it's currently vacant. And then turning around and looking west towards U.S. 19 down Timberline Road, you can see those houses off on the right side. That's the neighborhood there to the north. And then kind of swinging around, looking to the south there is the backside of the hotel. And then this is out at U.S. 19 looking down Timberline Road towards this site. Again, it's currently residential low-medium, which generally allows for residential dwelling units. Also allows some other uses, which would have additional standards and limitations, usually type 2 use requirements. It allows up to 10 residential units an acre, and 0.5 FAR and 0.75 ISR. And the proposed residential office retail allows for a variety of uses, ranging from residential to office to retail uses, light manufacturing. Also can allow institutional, recreation, and other non-residential uses. This one allows a density of up to 24 units per acre. Again, a higher FAR and ISR. And then the zoning on the property, residential, mobile, manufactured home is mostly for mobile home parks or mobile home subdivisions. It can also allow for single-family detached, maximum building height of 35 feet, usually small lot sizes, and commercial is not permitted. Same thing with the R4, allows for single-family, duplex, or triplex. Again, maximum building height of 35 feet, and commercial uses are not permitted in that zoning district. And then the proposed commercial parkway, again, a wide range of commercial and office uses, allows residential in certain circumstances, which would be a multifamily residential, and should be conveniently located with access to arterial highways and transportation facilities. Maximum building height is 75 feet. When we have a land use case, we look at the potential traffic impacts going from the current category, land use category, to the proposed category. In this case, when you look at category to category, it generates an additional 826 vehicular trips. Currently, U.S. 19 operates at a level of service F. There's instruction going on on U.S. 19. To get an accurate measure of the impacts of traffic during site plan, we require applicants to submit a traffic count, and based on that traffic count, it will determine if any additional remediation is required. We look at our multimodal impact fee ordinance, requires impact fees to be paid, or if it pierces a threshold, we require them to do a traffic management plan, which could include additional mitigation, which could be additional sidewalk, turn lanes, etc. And since U.S. 19 is an FDOT road, we would work along with the DOT, too, on those mitigations, if needed. The property is within the coastal storm area and the coastal high hazard area, and also within the 100-year floodplain. So, anything built on this property would be required to have a finished floor elevation starting at 11.3 feet. Again, staff feels like this proposed amendment and to the future land use zoning atlas and development agreement should be approved. We find that with the development agreement, it removes potential for residential dwelling units from the coastal high hazard area. The binding concept plan shows a significant lowering of the ISR and FAR. It will allow for redevelopment in line with the county's development regulations, and it's consistent with the area's mixed-use character, and it's also consistent with the comprehensive plan. Again, staff recommends approval. The local planning agency recommended approval of both cases at their hearing unanimously. And I will answer any questions you have. Any questions? I know I have a few, but I just want to make sure everybody else is okay. All right. So, there hasn't been any residential interest in the property or use on that property, I should say, since when? Around 2008 was when the last mobile home use was taken off of there. There hasn't been anything on there since. Since we've had no plans or anything come through for any kind of development on there. Any kind of residential development. So, because of the building up front, it's a very narrow area, as you said, between 19 and Lake Tarpon. It seems to almost be like a little commercial node in the middle of what might be more residential, especially to the north. The dock issue, nothing to the, on the north side. It seems on the south side that, and again, I don't really want to, it seems like there's a, that's a pathway for boats to go in and out to other properties. Is there a way to restrict south side docks as well? Because they have a lot of area on the, on the Lake Tarpon side. That, that could be a condition added to the development agreement. Okay. We could potentially add that. Yes. Um, this whole music thing on the property means no amplified inside or outside. That's correct. Okay. Because there's the old famous, well, we'll put it inside and they open the door and it just, it just blare. So. No, they've agreed to the whole, the whole property, no amplified music at all. No amplified, but regular music. Yes. No problem. Um, how firm is that? I mean, we put that into the development agreement and, and it's, it's as firm as the next request that comes through. Right. So our, our development agreements, if approved, when a property is, when they're going through site plan, as part of the site plan review, they're required to file deed restrictions and provide us that recorded copy. Okay. That then they're memorialized as deed restrictions on the property. So as the development agreement expires, it'll be on, on the deed restrictions. Yep. And then the only way if somebody wanted to undo that would be to come back to this board. And talk just, can you talk just a little bit about, and maybe you may have it, just a little more detail on the buffer to the north between the residential and their use. Sure. To concept plan is. So between the properties to the north and where the site starts in green, there is a vacant, uh, county right of way. There's a, you can almost see there's some asphalt in there about halfway down. There's a county lift station for, for sewer in there. So that's, that's currently a county right of way. So you have that, that width there that won't be developed. And then there's an additional, uh, to the north of that for the neighborhood. There's a small area of a conservation easement. Uh, they're proposing on both their north and south where their parking lot is, is they're proposing six foot tall fence and then hedging and trees to be planted along that in a buffer area, uh, between those, between the residential to the south and the residential to the north. Can, is, is an option for six feet of landscaping versus the fence? Is that an option or. Yeah. Yeah. You could, you could do six foot tall landscaping and, and instead they're, they're, they're proposing both. Yeah. The fence and the landscaping. I'm not, I'm not seeing too many pretty fences, but you know, um, there are some you're right. Um, then the only other question I had is, um, this traffic, as it relates to access to 19, if people, my biggest concern is the traffic increase. Uh, and when they come to the street, uh, it seems like they can scoot right across the three lanes into a, a turn, uh, without, I mean, so can we, is there a way to make, you know, right turn only? That would be up to FDOT since it's an FDOT roadway. So the department of transportation would be the ones who would control if there's any access, uh, restrictions on the U.S. Okay. So that your, your department will, will put that through FDOT screening. Yes. Yeah. They would have to get, uh, permitting through FDOT. We also, as part of our review, since it would impact an FDOT road, we, we include them in the conversation and in the site plan. And so that's what we, we, we're proactive now on, on bringing agencies in. It's really not, it's not so much that they have the ability to make a U-turn. It's just where that U-turn is. It's like right across the, it's like straight shot. Um, and sometimes there's no cars. You kind of look and you go, Oh my God, this is great. And so other times it's just packed and you just take a shot. And those are the things that make me nervous about 826 additional traffic count. But thank you. Appreciate it. I will add one more, um, item, which it wasn't in your, your packet. Oh, hold on one second. We just had one question here from commissioner Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, once us 19 is completed, do we know what the level of service, what we anticipate the level of service on that to be? I don't know the answer to that. No. Okay. Um, and I saw, I'm sure the applicant's going to address this, but there were four people who spoke in opposition. Um, assuming that was noise related with the community just to the North. Yeah, there was concerns about noise, um, current, uh, trash issues, which they say, uh, from the, uh, hotel, um, they're worried about that spilling over now onto this property. Um, there's also, uh, concerns about, uh, wildlife on the property, which I can address, um, that as a, right, environmental staff go out to the site to, to verify that. Um, there are some questions on, um, uh, bald eagle living on the property, um, on the current, uh, federal websites. It shows that nest as being abandoned. Um, we had residents at the LPA stated that they still see, uh, uh, bald eagle around the property. Um, when I went out there on October 14th, uh, which fortunately was after your, you got, your packet was in that, um, I went out with their, our environmental manager and environmental staff. And they found, uh, there was a nest, but the nest has been, uh, they considered deconstructed, which means it hasn't been used for a long time and it's deconstructed and falling apart. They found, saw no evidence of bald eagle activity and no evidence of that one has been using the property anytime recently. And that, that'll, that'll be added to the record. Okay. Commissioner, anything else? No. Thank you. Anybody else with any questions? Okay. Well, we have, we have the applicant, um, and we have three, three folks that are here to speak as well. So we'll let the applicant speak first and then we'll let the, uh, folks who are here to speak after the applicant. That's 20, 20. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, Brian Angst, 625 Court Street, McFarlane Ferguson here on behalf of the applicant, Trent Road LLC, which is the current property owner and Mario Investments LLC, which is the contract purchaser. Uh, the proposal is to activate this site, uh, compatible with the mix of uses, uh, in the area, uh, and restricted by a development agreement. And as you know, when we approach these problematic properties, these properties that have been vacant, dormant, off the tax rolls, not up to code for decades or for many years, we do it with care and we do it deliberatively. And that's why we propose a development agreement, uh, with this application to make sure we were bringing the property up to code for stormwater quality for drainage, for retention, to mitigate flooding, to reduce impervious surface. When I show you the aerial, you'll see that this site is currently entitled for 32 mobile homes and it's basically pervious or impervious. I'm sorry, impervious. And so what we're going to do is we're going to bring it up to code so that it is more compatible with the mix of uses, which includes multifamily, single family, a hotel directly adjacent to the West, which has the same zoning and the same land use, a restaurant directly adjacent to the West, which is part of that hotel, which has the same zoning and the same land use. And then across the street, of course, you have the AMC, move a co theater and, um, uh, retail. So this is a mixed use area. Uh, and we've done this in a very deliberate manner to make it as compatible as we possibly can and certainly much more beneficial, uh, for the county and for the community than what, uh, is currently there. Uh, and so one of the things I think is that's most important to, to highlight is we're currently taking an incompatible use, a use that our comprehensive, uh, plan not only discourages, but doesn't allow, we don't want manufactured homes and mobile homes in the coastal hazard area. We don't want them in the a hundred year flood zone. Um, and we don't want them, uh, in, in this area because it is, uh, it is certainly not up to FEMA standards or up to the standards that we are trying to, uh, encourage and incentivize redevelopment. And we think this redevelopment, uh, accomplishes that. And I think that's one of the reasons, uh, why you have staff support and why you saw unanimous LPA support, uh, in light of, uh, in, in spite of the neighborhood concerns or a handful of neighbors concerns, which we think the development agreement addresses. Uh, so this is the current, uh, zoning, uh, residential mobile home park, uh, and the land use of RLM. And as you can see the purple, which is the, um, the CP and the ROR is consistent with the adjacent land use and zoning directly to the West of the property. You can see here, this is the existing conditions, um, on site. And as Michael stated, uh, at the LPA hearing, uh, some of the residents who spoke addressed, uh, Eagles nesting and both the federal government and Pinellas County have confirmed that there is no Eagle nesting on site. Even if there were that wouldn't prevent the County from approving the development agreement, it would add a step to regulation and permitting going forward. Uh, so we would address that at the permitting stage, just like commissioner Eggers, we will address the ingress, egress with FDOT, uh, at the permitting stage. This is not the permitting stage. Uh, this is just the first step, uh, in that process to make sure that you all have control, uh, over the site. I did want to see if we could put the aerial, uh, that I have actually here, uh, in hard copy up for a moment, because I think this will be a little better in terms of showing the buffering. I don't know if I can zoom in on here. Let's see. Yes. Okay. So to the North, we have a 15 foot right of way, which already is a buffer. That's a, that's existing. That's not on site. So that's 15 feet. We have a proposed, um, five foot landscape buffer, and then we have a privacy fence behind that buffer. So you have a five foot landscape buffer with the privacy fence. So that's about a 20 foot plus separation, uh, from any of the adjacent properties. There's an eight foot tall privacy fence that current, that is being proposed on this stretch here. And then down to the South, uh, we have a proposed fence and we have a 14 foot or 15 foot landscape buffer here. Oh, from the residential properties. Commissioner Eggers, you did ask about a condition. If we go back to the PowerPoint, you did ask for a condition regarding, uh, the, the future potential for docs. As you know, you're not approving docs today. Docs are not part of the development agreement. They're not part of the conceptual plan that would all go through water and navigation and all of the permitting that's required for docs with Army Corps and all of the stringent review. But, uh, right now the LPA has restricted any docs to the North. We're fine restricting any docs to the South. If you want to do that, the only proposed doc in mind is going to be out, out here, which is consistent with other restaurants on Lake Tarpon that provide, uh, boating access, uh, for their patrons. Uh, so we're happy to make that a condition of approval as well. If you would like us to add that to the development agreement, uh, to provide that, to provide that for you. So we talked about the buffering. We talked about the impervious surface will be reduced to, uh, 0.26 and the FAR is down to 0.11, which as you know, are very low. Uh, right now we have a proposed 10,250 square foot restaurant on the first floor and 4,700 feet, uh, on the second floor. And, uh, as Michael said, there's no amplified music permitted. We, we suggested that, uh, in order to address any compatibility or noise concerns. Uh, and the observation deck is for restaurant users only, uh, is not open to the general public. Um, and what you can see is that we are raising the site to be elevated, uh, above FEMA regulations and above the flood zone, uh, regulations. On traffic, uh, I can tell you what we use for traffic is the ITE, uh, manual. It's basically a formula for X number of square feet per use equals this number of expected trips. Well, that's not just regulated by the U S 19 improvements that we know are underway, but it's also regulated by our agreement to reduce the occupancy to 465. So you're not going to have 826 additional trips when you have a 465 occupancy limitation. Um, that just doesn't make any mathematical sense, right? So what that 826 number you're seeing is just basically a formulaic, uh, thing that comes out of the ITE, uh, engineer's code. Uh, but that's another thing that we've addressed as it relates to reduce, uh, limiting the number of occupants. So again, the reasons that I think the staff supporting this and the reasons that the LPA supported it, uh, unanimously is that it removes a problematic use. It removes 32 mobile home sites, which are currently entitled out of the hundred year flood zone, out of the coastal storm area, out of the coastal high hazard area. It puts a use that's compatible with the existing mix of uses in the area, which includes a hotel and a restaurant. Uh, and it moves that restaurant as far away from the residential properties as we possibly can, uh, has no amplified music at all on the entire property, has ample buffering, ample landscaping, ample privacy fencing, um, and is compatible and consistent with the goals, policies, and objectives of your comprehensive plan, uh, brings this site back on the tax rolls, uh, and overall is a benefit for the county. Um, again, if there's anything I can address, uh, related to the concerns of the neighbors who are here, we, we heard them at the initial hearing in the LPA. Uh, we think we've had some conditions that we're agreeing to add now that will help, uh, address some of those concerns. But a lot of those concerns were addressed when we submitted the application, which is why I think you don't see more members of the public here against the application. We're happy to answer any questions you have. Okay. We'll pause that. Yeah. Yeah. Any, um, any questions for Brian? I think staff answered mine. You, you said the same thing and, uh, I'm good. Any, no other questions here. Um, you've got 11 minutes and 48 seconds. I will try not to use them. Yeah. Thank you. And we've got three residents who would like to talk to us. All right. Andrew Moranville. Sorry. And then Valerie Spear and then Ron Spear. Right. Yeah. The podium. There you go. Can I, uh, use this to show stuff? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Perfect. Uh, 2608 Trent road, Andrew Moranville. Uh, I've been a resident there for about seven years. Uh, mentioned that they did Eagle surveys. They didn't do a good job. I've got plenty of evidence going back to yesterday to the 21st, a couple of days after him with, uh, visible video of multiple Eagles. They're also have seen them working on the nest. If you know, Eagle season in Florida is from October 1st to March 15th. They are noticed to be fixing their nests between September and November. If I can get access to this, I will show you guys some video. All right. So, as you can see right there, it's a bald eagle flying around, um, right there. And then I will zoom up here in a second to show you the second. See, he lands right underneath of the nest. And then here is the second bald eagle right there. I can also show you timestamp of October 19th at 8 29 PM. I wake up every morning to them screeching. Um, it's a beautiful set. And then here we go showing you my, uh, oh, sorry about that. You can see my mailbox right there at 2608 Trent road. As I zoom in one bald eagle to the right, one bald eagle to the left, both of them right there in plain sight. That is timestamped October 19th, 8 27. Then I can take you to just yesterday where I zoom in. Once again, the bald eagle right there spreading his wings. Um, you know, living on Lake Tarpon and having these Eagles around has been a blessing. Um, it's a beautiful community. I'd hate to see it get overrun with more trash. Uh, that hotel that they claim is a motel. There's no inside. It is a motel. There's dumpsters, rats, trash. One of those, uh, neighbors on the north side had to build a wall to stop the rats from getting into their home. Um, then, you know, with the, I like what they've said about the, the buffer zone. That's great. But is it going to stop the lights? It's how late are they going to be open? What's considered, uh, quiet music. I don't know if I've ever heard quiet music. Um, and then the whole thing about, uh, it's not for the public. Well, if it's a restaurant that's open to the public, it's open to the public. This gentleman over here said 10,000 square feet. This gentleman says 15,000 square feet. So those are some of the concerns as well as, um, access to our private road, Trent road. So those are my concerns. Thank you. Appreciate it. Um, Valerie Spear, welcome. Thank you. I'm Valerie Spear, 2616 Trent road. I'm a neighbor to Andy. Um, my concern is the, we have a, we are on a private road. There are four houses on this private road, Trent road. So timber lane comes straight on in Trent road hangs a right, which is private. We maintain this road. There is no county subsidies that help us. There's no lighting. So we maintain the road. If traffic does not go straight down timber lane and there's no barrier for these, we are going to have, and there's no outlet. It's going to go and it's going to go down our road and there's no turnaround. There's, what are they going to do about that? Are they going to do anything? Are they going to put up a, um, a blockage or a gate or something? Because people will get, uh, they'll go that way. And the other thing is, um, lighting. Okay. Like I said, we maintain our own road. There is no lighting. Um, basically, you know, it's just our street, uh, our, our car lights that take us to our house back there. So at night it is nice to sleep in dark. What about the, the, the lighting that they're going to have for this restaurant? They're going to have to have lighting. They're going to have to have parking lighting. What is that going to disturb our sleep? Absolutely. Would it disturb yours? Absolutely. So there's a many things that, that need to be taken in consideration here besides, you know, having a restaurant there. And as far as flooding and hurricanes, my parents bought that property back in 1975. There has not been a flood, even though we're in a flood zone or hurricane since 1975 that has hit us right there. You can check it out and I'm sure you will. And as far as the Eagles, I saw it yesterday. I saw her. She's huge and she's beautiful and she wants to build a nest there and she's working on it. And I do not think that there should be another building there right now. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, Ron Spear. And that's all the cards I had for people to speak. Welcome, Ron. Okay. I also live on 2616 Drent Road. That's my wife. She summed up things pretty good as far as I'm concerned. Well said. Been there for, uh, bought the house off her parents in 95 and, and that's, it was a mobile home park and everything was good. Um, the, uh, like she said, the main concern is where are they, where are they going to bring these cars in? Is it Timberlane only or is it Trent Road? I'm not quite, didn't quite understand the whole thing here. What's what they're proposing. But Timberlane road is a private load road. I got, I got the surveys here that they go way back from 52, 1952. Okay. We own the other side of the road. All right. And when Dan Mays had it surveyed, our surveys were all done by measuring tapes from way back when Dan Mays did it, which was the previous owner that Martin bought it from, I guess. And he did everything was GPS. And I kept telling the surveyor and it took him, it took him a month and a half to survey this property. And I'm going, what the, you guys ain't no surveyors. It don't take that long. And I showed him my survey. I said, you're missing a pin. And he didn't believe me. But anyhow, he thinks he owns, and I don't know if he told you this Martin, he thinks he owns Trent Road. Well, you do not own Trent Road. You own Timberlane Road. You don't own Trent Road. Timberlane Road is a county road and it's open to the public. Okay. Period. Trent Road is not. And I don't know if, how you're going to be able to access and egress all these people down one road and still let us get to our private road without confusion. I got the surveys right here. You need to really come out and investigate this property is what I ask you people. Thank you. Before you determine a decision. Thank you. Okay. Have you, did you fill out a card? Right. Yes. To speak, you do. You can come speak if you promise to go fill out a card afterwards. I will. Look at you. You keep him. You keep him. Okay. Come on up. He knows. Yeah. Make a run for it. Please introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes. My name is Robert Severance. I'm at 2587 Cypress Drive, Palm Harbor. I live in the complex right across the street from the spears. And I did walk out my unit any morning. I do see the eagles every single day flying around. There's no question they're there and they are nesting. My biggest concern though is, is when the, when I purchased the place in 1996, the hotel on US-19 was vacant. And soon it was completed and a bar and restaurant moved in. The music was so loud every single night, the residents could not sleep. They've called the deputy in. The deputy would come. They might lower the music down until the deputy car got out of the parking lot. Soon as he was gone, the music was loud again. Now, I don't know what they're planning. Are you planning music? The, uh, live music. Yep. They'll address that. Sir, they'll, their attorney will address that question. Because where I live, I'll be looking right at their restaurant. I'm on the, uh, on our complex. I'm on the east side of the complex. Their restaurant's only going to be maybe a hundred yards from my front lanai. My concern is once they move in, they get the restaurant open on the lake with lights and, and whatnot, they're going to have live, loud music. That's my concern. So, um, otherwise, plus traffic and that, uh, there was a proposal. They said there's been no proposals. When the land was for sale, there was a proposal and it was listed right on the for sale sign of 32 townhomes and a clubhouse on the lake. That's what I'd like to see. They're not a restaurant or a bar. Thank you. Thank you. Make sure you fill out that form, sir. Right out the door. Um, no. Um, all right. That's all the folks that we have. Um, you ready? And staff, staff will be ready to answer questions regarding some of the things that were brought up as well. Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Brian Unks, 625 Court Street, McFarlane Ferguson. Uh, I am going to go back to the aerial to address some of the ingress, egress things that we heard. Let me see if I can do this again correctly to zoom in on that. I thought I did. There we go. Okay. So what you're seeing, and obviously, as you know, this is a conceptual site plan, but your staff does take a hard look at ingress, egress, and traffic, uh, even at this stage. And so what we have is we have two-lane access on Timberland Road, which goes down here, and then Trent Road is here. Okay. So when you hear Trent Road, this is Trent Road. This is Timberland Road. It goes out to US-19. We have two-lane access here and here. So two ingress, egress off Timberland Road. No access off of Trent Road. What you'll see here is this is retained access for the folks who live down here. So there's no ingress, egress problem for the neighbors, and there's ample ingress, egress for the restaurant, for the proposed restaurant. So hopefully that addresses those concerns. There is no live music. There's no amplified music. I think we've made that very clear. Uh, and in terms of the eagles or the eagles nesting, what we can tell you is that both the federal government and your own Pinellas County environmental staff says there's no eagles nest on site. There are eagles nests in the area, and certainly there's eagle activity, but that's under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services. So even if there were an eagles nest on site, that would be a permitting step that would come down the line, just like the FDOT permitting step. Uh, so again, we think the development agreement addresses these concerns. Uh, your staff has looked at the ingress, egress. I'm sure they can address that as well if you'd like them to explain that in more detail. Um, but there is ample access. Uh, and in terms of the hotel and the hotel being a problematic use, which is something that we heard at the LPA hearing, all this is going to do is improve the security in the area, improve the, uh, aesthetic in the area, and activate a problematic site, which is probably a nuisance right now for whatever alleged uses are going on in that hotel to have a vacant mobile home park, uh, on Lake Tarpon next door to, uh, these residential, these residential communities. So we think we've addressed these concerns. Uh, we've certainly addressed them to the staff satisfaction, to the satisfaction of the LPA. Uh, we're happy to add that condition of approval regarding, uh, no docking on that Southern Canal, uh, as long as we can have access to Lake Tarpon through the regular water and navigation permitting process and U.S. Army Corps, et cetera. Thank you. Thank you. Questions? So if we could get that site plan up so we could see the roads that they're talking about on there and where, where we believe that our road stops and the quote private road begins. This will probably be the easiest to show. So Timberline road that's on the North side of coming in off of us 19 that's labeled their Timberlane drive. That is a County road that comes in. It runs North of the hotel property, North of this property, um, to a County lift station. That's out there. That's just North of the subject property. When you go North South, it's part of this property. You're, you're getting into, into this property. Is that North South portion that they're showing there? We're, I'm trying to see where you're showing the one on the far left. Yeah. The one on the far left. So the County County jurisdiction will end out here. So that road, that property there, that's part of this property. Okay. So they have an easement right over that to get to their property and to their private road. There should be easement rights through this property. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Easement or ownership? Because I've heard people say it's a private road. Trent road is a private road. So if it's, so if, if it's private, it's going through the subject property for these properties, that would be a, a private ingress, egress easement agreement, uh, where the County wouldn't be involved. We have utility easements over the property because utilities come through the subject property to service these homes. So there are County utility easements. Okay. So having easements over that property, obviously important for these folks to get to their property, but also sig signs that talk about private road, that kind of thing can be installed to keep, I mean, it's private road. This isn't, this isn't part of the development. It's private. Yes. Yeah. And, and the applicant, you know, they could, they could put up signage, you know, no access beyond this point, private road, whatever's appropriate signage for patrons to address that. Okay. Um, okay. And then, um, so they, they agreed to add the no docks on the South side, um, access road talk, let's talk a little bit more. Uh, again, I think the applicant addressed the Eagles thing through a permitting process. So, so regardless of what you all saw today, you all don't do the permitting. Correct. If there's an issue with an Eagle's nest, that permit goes through. It's federal government. So fish and wildlife, since there is an identified that an inactive, they have it identified as an inactive nest, whether it's active or inactive, they still will be required to submit an application and permitting through fish and wildlife and provide that to staff as part of the site plan process. Basically the fish and wildlife at that time, verifying whether it's active or inactive. So they, they still will have to go through that step. The applicant is part of permitting regardless. So whether, whether it is inactive now, and somebody said there's Eagle season, nesting season, and maybe it becomes active again in November and that permitting process you have to go through. Okay. Yeah. Um, any other questions from, yes, commissioner flowers. So, um, I'm going back to page, um, slide seven, cause that's the one I can see the roads best for me. Um, so Trent road is the road that the residents are saying that they provide or they cover the maintenance and whatnot on that road. I'm asking, I want to make sure. It's not a County road. Okay. So if, if there's any maintenance agreements that would all be private between the property owners. Okay. Just going on what the testimony was from them. So if I go back up and cross that's timber lane road that comes in from us 19, does that go all the way on this slide? Does that go all the way over? Because it seems like the, like the black line that you all have that kind of shows us where everything is. It seems like you're stopping it right at the beginning of where the proposed property would be, or does that road go all the way back? Cause I'm seeing, you know, still some, I guess this road, I'm still seeing that that would go all the way, um, back. And that line is, that's just from the mapping program that we use. That's, that's their label on there. So it's not a, not a County label, but it comes down. Okay. It is, it's, it's, uh, asphalt that goes back again to the County lift station. That's approximately in this area. Okay. Um, it it's substandard. Once it gets back to that point east of the, where the black line is, where the two roads meet, it's pretty substandard because it's no one's really going back there, but just to, you know, maintenance of the lift station. Okay. So I guess what I'm also hearing is the line that intersects Timberlane road and Trent road, that little line there, that's where they're saying they feel like there will be some concern with a potential bottleneck of traffic. People trying to get in through Timberlane road to get to the proposed restaurant versus people that may be trying to get from their properties on Trent road and go up. Cause it doesn't look like they have another way to exit this area. Correct. Timberlane road is, is the only access back to the subject property and back to these, these homes from us 19. The hours of operation for the restaurant will be what? We don't have hours of operation. Okay. Part of the agreement. Uh, we do have, uh, in our code, which this will work. This is applies to all restaurants is when located within a hundred feet of a residential district, which is supplies, uh, any outdoor areas. So outdoor patron areas. So this would apply to their second story observation deck, uh, near a bar that's open area. Those hours would be, uh, have to be shut down at 10 PM between 10 PM and 7 AM. Okay. No, that that's when any outdoor activity would have to cease. Okay. And then this is just a comment only because when I was on city council in St. Pete, we dealt with, and you can Google it. We had some Eagles that were, uh, they came back to the same location like every other year. They didn't come back every year. And there was a lot of back and forth because even though they had not, even though it appeared as though the nest was not being built or utilized, um, they kind of like, it was like they were circling the area, trying to figure out what they were going to do. And then they ended up where they were going to land, which was on a nest that looked like it was an inoperable nest. And, um, we ended up having to, um, I'm going to say corner off the area so that, you know, no cars or anything would go around in that area. Um, while they were going through the nesting season until the little babies were born and they, you know, all flew off and went to wherever they were going. So, um, I, um, I know what you're saying, fish and wildlife application hasn't been made yet. All of that needs to be taken into consideration. I'm just saying if they're flying around in that area, they're going to, it's not that they're nesting somewhere else. Sure. They're going to nest where they are flying at. It's kind of like they scope it out. And that's just from my past experience. Cause those are some hard meetings, you know, trying to work with the developer, but also trying to acknowledge that, uh, those Eagles came back every other year. For the same thing and make sure they were protected. So I just wanted to share that because I've kind of experienced the reason why staff went out to the site is this cause those concerns were brought up at the LPA, but no evidence was shared. Uh, one of the neighbors that shared the videos here today, uh, that was not shared any video pictures at the LPA. So it was just verbal that there were Eagles nests. We had shown that it's inactive on, on the federal website. So that's what staff took the initiative to go out to the site. We were only out there one day, a couple hours, and they did not observe anything. Maybe they were off flying around somewhere else while we were out there and, and, and ignore us. So, uh, while we were out there, but they, because it's listed on the website, even as inactive, they will be required to permit, have fish and wildlife verify whether it's active or inactive. And then that will control, uh, construction activities, et cetera, on there. And, and just to point out the, the nest that, uh, we saw on the, on the property there, it's not on the property. It's in a tree that's just North of the property. It looks like it's either in the County right of way, or maybe even on one of the neighboring properties to the North, but the property still falls within that radius. Right. Exactly. And, um, well, thank you so very much for that. And the only thing I would say to the people in the audience, if you all could be a little kind because he didn't interrupt you guys, you know, when y'all were presenting. So if you could, you know, just let whomever speak and speak and, and, um, just be a little, little courteous if we could, please. Um, but thank you so very much. Those were my questions and my comments. Thank you. And of course, all the, all the lighting issues will be dealt with as well. We have ballparks that are around this County that have lighting today. That's a lot different than old lighting. It's not like lighting that just blares out. It's internally focused. You have to use cutoff fixtures that you don't have light trespass off of your property. That's required by code. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Any other questions? Uh, commissioner Scott, excuse me. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I can just wanted to touch on the, on the traffic concerns here and where Trent road starts and Timberlane road ends. Cause I've got a Google maps up here and it, and I'm not saying Google maps is correct, but it shows Timberlane road all the way down until it makes that right hand turn South. And then Trent road starts when it, um, uh, when it heads back East, do we have any confirmation of, but that's, so the County definitely doesn't maintain anything. Timberline road comes in. And as soon as it turns South, we're, we're done right there at that point. Yeah. We don't maintain any of that North South. So who would be maintaining? Cause there's going to be a lot more traffic on that road then. So who would be responsible for doing that? It's part of the subject property. Uh, I don't know that an applicant can speak to if what easements exists, maintenance, access, et cetera, for that. Any other questions, commissioner? No. Okay. I'm having, I'm having a, an, a person in the audience having a coronary over here. So I'm going to give you one minute, come on up and state, come on up and state what you want to say. Cause I'm tired of watching you wave your thing at me. I, I want you to hear what you're, what you're thinking or what you're saying. You have one minute. Hey, after he speaks, we should let the app. I will let the applicant speak again. I have a survey here that will really answer all your questions pretty much. You can, you can leave that with, you can leave that with staff. I want to take it back home. Okay. We can get that information staff. Can we get the information that he had the survey information on? So we don't have any information on this. We can't survey that property. Okay. Which includes. I got, I got survey. Survey from 1952. Yeah. Okay. 54. Oh, six or seven. And an update applicant survey from when we bought that piece of property next to us. Okay. All right. So, I mean. Well, you're going to, you'll have access to your property for sure. Across, across their property. The big thing is, how can you control these people coming into the restaurant and not going down Timberland or Trent Road? Because we'll have some private. And then where's their turnaround? All right. Thank you. I appreciate it. That was, that was good. Brian, you have how much time? Nine minutes. Five seconds. Thank you, commissioners. I'm going to try to show you this off of phone, which is always dangerous. All right. So this is the portion of Trent Road in question. So Timberland is up here. This is the subject property. And as Mr. Schatterbrock keeps saying, this road is part of our property. So anything that's required for access through site plan permitting is going to be required of us to improve that road. And we're maintaining access to this portion of Trent Road, which runs north to south. To that road. Correct. Not including that road. Right. That's correct. So then you have four single family homes down here to the south. So this road, while it's not a county road, has benefited both our property and these properties for decades, then it will maintain that. And we will improve our portion of the road to the extent we're required to, which I'm sure we will be, through the site planning process, which is what I was trying to demonstrate on that one aerial that showed maintained access. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Commissioner Scott, did you have anything else? Oh, that cleared up my question. So the applicant owns that section of the road. Okay. Commissioner Scheer. Yeah. Thank you, Chair. The southern portion of Trent Road that runs east-west, who maintains that? They do. The homeowner? These four homeowners. And then when it connects to the property, it'll be their maintenance. Is it possible to put a little gate there to keep people from going? It sounds like they don't want people accidentally turning left on Trent Road and going down there. A little arm gate would solve it. I think he was asking the applicant. Yeah, but again, if you could put in a little gate, those aren't big deals. They're not a big deal. I'm trying to solve a problem, I see. Thank you, Commissioner Scheer. Yeah, I mean, I think our concern, as Andrew said, would be life safety. So obviously, you can have gates that have fire access. That happens all the time. But do I want to create a gated community that's not a gated community now? And then do they have to maintain the gate? We'd be open to those discussions. But I don't think it's something we can say, yeah, that's a great idea. That's a solution we can agree to tonight. I do think potentially the signage, something like that. But keep in mind, this was 32 mobile homes. So there were a lot of people coming in and out of there for years and years and years and years. And, you know, there's ample ingress, egress access for our site. And there's a dead end. So even just a dead end sign would prevent someone from turning down that road because they wouldn't want to go down there because they wouldn't be able to get back out to U.S. 19. Okay, thank you. Thank you. All right. Let's say the commission. I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Nowicki, second by Commissioner Scheer. No final questions. Bring up the – this is for item 38. Yep, for item 38 on the land use. Bring up – oh, yeah, bring up the voting card. I'm a yes. And motion carries unanimously. Item 39, which is the zoning change. Motion by Commissioner Nowicki, second by Commissioner Scott. Bring up the voting card, please. And I'm a yes. Motion carries unanimously. All right. Moving on to final item for the evening, item 40. Agenda item number 40 is an amendment by resolution to the fiscal year 2026 budget realigning reserves for requesting departments. The public hearing was properly advertised, and an affidavit of publication has been received for filing. No correspondence has been received by the clerk, and it matters properly before the board to be heard. Any questions? Do I have a motion? A motion by Commissioner Scott. Second by Commissioner Scheer. Bring up the voting card, please. And I'm a yes. That motion carries unanimously. And one final thing from Barry. Yeah, one final thing. When we were talking about the board rules, Commissioner Nowicki brought up that I had failed to respond on the item of the Keystone Road to him. He called that out and asked me. I looked back. I misspoke. I did not respond to him. I did forward it to staff for them to review. So for that, I apologize. Thank you. Thank you for checking on that. And good. All right. Anything else? This meeting is adjourned. You always do, but I just want to make sure. Yep. I got to walk back with me. I got to go back to my house. I want to see you. And I'll just bring him in there. I'll say hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. We have three new dollars, we're probably going to cover. There you go, there you go. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. That is it. Okay. You're welcome. Thank you. Hi. How are you? Sorry. Hey. Look, I don't need them. You're welcome. Thank you. Hi. How are you? Sorry. Hey. Look, I don't need them. I can't stand. I'm off. I can't stand. Yeah. Look at his face. Thank you.