GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED IN AND YOU'RE A BOARD MEMBER, PLEASE GO OVER THERE AND MAKE SURE YOU SIGNED IN. WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH US. ALL KIDS. ARE YOU SAYINGите? DON'T MAKE SURE IT LOOKS REALLY? THERE'S NO GLOWS ME FADL Hmm, YOU DO KNOW, Yeah. YOU'RE OUR FIRST STARTED WITH HAiguain. THERE'S INVITE A CALLEAN. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We're going to go ahead and start. We have the clerks of courts, so they're going to go ahead and swear you guys in. So if you guys can come forward to the front. Everybody to the front. They're new people. You can take a picture of, like, everybody. Typically, they take the picture from the back. Yeah. Should I be here? Yeah, you would be here. Yeah, to do the oath. But I have to do the Pledge of Allegiance first. Okay, so let me just sit down right now. Yeah, you could. Just so I can lean on here. Ten community counselors at seven. It's only because he wants to take a picture. He's spreading it out. Hmm. Okay, so you took the last picture? Okay, so everybody can have a seat. We're going to do the Pledge of Allegiance. No, I said no swearing in there. No, not yet. Okay, so are you guys ready? Everybody stand up. All right. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, for dignity, and justice for all. All right, so the clerk, of course, will come and do the oath. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. My name is Chester Rodriguez, deputy clerk of the board of office, and at this time, I would like you all to please stand. You're already standing. Raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name, do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support, protect, and defend the constitution and government of the United States and of the state of Florida, that I am duly qualified to hold office under the constitution of the state, and that I will well and faithfully perform the duties as a member of the community councils on which I am now about to enter. So, help me God. All right. Thank you, and congrats. Thank you, everyone. Now, Jim Byers, he's the chief of zoning. I know you can hear me now. Development services. We're the ones that start the zoning hearing process. It comes through us by application submitted by a developer, trying to do a nice proposed project that you all love to see lately. Also, it'll all be mom and pops trying to put an addition to a pool, put it on a pool in the backyard, maybe a shed. They're going to come to you for approval or disapproval. And you also get the homeowners that have a violation that they're trying to legalize. They bought the property with a violation or they built something without a permit, and it's maybe too close to the property alliance, and they're trying to correct it. We do the application. We process it. We do a zoning analysis. We put together a wonderful kit for you. Sometimes it's a little too thick, but it's like a long recommendation kit that the county attorneys love to read. And go over with this. But by the time you get it, it should be all organized in the same fashion where you can understand why we're coming to our recommendation of either approval or disapproval. It goes on and on. We repeat the same thing about five different times, but you'll see. You'll get to the end and go, oh, I see what the matter is. So once it gets to you, this is where you play the big part. You're really the straw that stirs the drink. Everybody's waiting four to five months. It takes four to five months to get these sometimes hearings to you. So the applicant's anxious. We're anxious. Everybody's anxious. We advertise. We get everything in, and we rent the room. And everybody was waiting for the board to be there to make a decision. So my emphasis today, and I really appreciate volunteering and accepting this position, it's a lot of work. It's a big commitment. But please show up. Please be there on the day of the hearing. You've got to be there. I know a lot of things pop up. A little Johnny's homework or assignment's not ready yet, and you're like, oh, my God, how am I going to do all this? But we really need you there because when hearings get deferred, it's just a backlash of angry applicants. And not just the applicants, it's the community that came out to maybe object to the situation or even to support the situation. And they're all upset because, oh, I took a day off or I took the evening off. I did this and that. So the emphasis is you're so important to this whole process. Just be there. Try to be there. You know, I know things pop up, illnesses pop up, you know, all of a sudden a surprise. But whatever you can do, just put it in your calendar. This date, I have to be there. All right? The processes that I'm talking about will be in more detail. We have our planning. We have our zoning people. We're going to go over it in more detail. I just kind of give you a quick glossary because it's a long afternoon. Good afternoon, everyone, and congratulations. Some of you, as the county attorney just mentioned, are familiar faces. So welcome back. And for those of you that are brand new, again, we welcome you. I think one of the roles that you play in your community is very important because the decisions that you make can have a great impact on your community and your community's future. So, again, congratulations, and I look forward to working with you. My name is Rosa Davis. I am with the planning department. I'm a planning section supervisor, and you'll be seeing me in many of your community council meetings. So today what I'm going to be doing is explaining a little bit more about planning, what planning does, our comprehensive development master plan. The county attorney went over it a little bit, but I'm going to go into it with somewhat more detail. One of the things that I would like to mention from the beginning is that planning and zoning, what I like to say is that we're sisters. We're twin sisters, but we're not identical. So you're going to see that a lot of things are very similar, but a little different. So let me start off. Let me see. We have a PowerPoint presentation, but is it, okay, well, I'm not too sure what's going on with the PowerPoint presentation, so I'll just continue with my presentation. So essentially, the comprehensive development master plan. How many of you, I know some of you veterans are familiar with it, but what do you know about the master plan? Can somebody tell me a little bit of what they think about what the master plan is? The CDMP, you're going to be hearing that quite often at your hearings. Nobody wants to take a crack at it? Okay, so let me continue. So the comprehensive development master plan is basically, as the attorney just mentioned, is the county's plan for how to grow and develop. It is basically the county's way of balancing development as well as protecting our natural resources. And it consists of two parts. Oh, there we go. Thank you. It consists of two parts. It is the map that you see in front of you. That's our comprehensive development land use map. And as well as a book, basically the text that is made up of policies, our goals and objectives, again, with how the county envisions itself and growing in the future. Basically, as you see in front of you, the comprehensive development master plan lays out our vision for growth. And right now, there's certain key policies that are driving how we envision Miami-Dade County in the future. And one of them is to control urban expansion. And what does that mean? And let me walk over to the map over here. Do you hear me? So we have what's called the urban development boundary, which is a line that's over here. It's an imaginary line. But basically, that boundary is what protects our agricultural area, our environmentally protected areas from overgrowth and development. Because as a community, we want to make sure that we have, that we protect our environment, that we protect our natural resources, as well as our agriculture. And what the urban development boundary does is that it tries to focus on making sure that development happens within here. This is called inside the urban development boundary. You're going to hear UDB, urban development boundary, and outside the urban development boundary. Okay? So the map also, as the attorney was saying, essentially lays out our future vision of how the land should be used. And the colors are very important. So you'll see the light yellow. Those are your single-family homes. And then, as density increases, you're going to see that, for example, here, closer to the urban core, that it starts getting orange and brown. So, for example, the single-family homes are the yellow. Town homes would be a light orange. And as the density increases to multifamily and high-rises, it becomes a dark brown. Okay? The light green over here is our state homes. And, again, over here, the dark green is agricultural and some of our environmental resources. And the gray is industrial. This is really important because, again, this is how we envision our community to be growing. So your role in planning as a community council member is to evaluate applications that come before you to change these land uses. So, for example, let's say somebody here in this particular corner wants to go from an area that's primarily single-family to commercial. That would be a land use change because it would go from yellow to red, which would mean then that you could have retail, that you could have offices there, whereas now you're only allowed to have a single-family residential area. So those are the decisions that you would be making as part of the community council. So let me go back to some of the driving policies, as I mentioned before. So it's to control urban expansion, and that's what we mean by that. Essentially, we want to maintain the urban growth to be within, inside the UDB. We are also trying to promote transit. That's as many of you know. And for those of you who came here in the metro rail, traffic is heavy. And we are trying to encourage transit to allow the flow of people and goods throughout the county. We are encouraging infill, too. There's a lot of properties that are undeveloped within the county. And rather than encouraging to grow outside of the urban development boundary and expand in the agricultural area, we're trying to encourage for those empty lots to be developed. In addition to that, we want to make sure that we have sufficient land for business, for industry, for agriculture. Agriculture is a big economic driver in the county, and we want to make sure that we protect it. As I mentioned, too, we want to conserve our natural resources. And very important, one of the things that you'll be hearing about as you read the planning applications is level of service standards, LOS. What does that mean? When we evaluate a proposed development, we want to make sure that there is sufficient service for the fire department. There's sufficient water and sewer, that there's roadway capacity. That's what we call concurrency. In other words, that there is sufficient services and infrastructure to meet the proposed development. So in planning, that's one of the big factors that we look at. Okay, so now let me get into some of the nitty-gritty. We have two types of applications that you'll see that will come before you to make decisions. We have standard applications, and we have small-scale applications. Standard applications are applications that are 50 acres or greater. Most of these will be text amendments. Text amendments are changes to our policies, interpretive texts of the comprehensive plan. But you will also see some other things as well. Primarily, the standard amendments are important because they have a greater impact on your community. And the process for having those go through approval is quite intense. It's more intense than the small-scale applications, which is the second type of application. And these are applications that are 50 acres or less. They can also have a text, a change to it. For example, if the applicant wants to change a policy with the CDMP to allow a particular use in that particular property. But oftentimes, it's just a map change. So one of the things I wanted to go through with you, and let me go to the next slide because I think I'll explain it better, is the actual process itself. So essentially, when we get an application, we put together our staff report. We call it the initial recommendations report. That's what you're going to be receiving with your agenda package. And when it comes before you, you're going to be making a recommendation. Unlike zoning, where you could actually approve or deny an application, with us, it's only a recommendation. Why? Because the only ones that make the final determination for planning applications is the Board of County Commissioners. After you make your recommendation, then it goes to our Planning Advisory Board. The Planning Advisory Board meets here and basically represents one member from each of the commission districts and other specialties. And then after that, these items need to go to the Board of County Commissioners twice. So it goes for what we call first reading, and then finally it goes to final reading. So that's the process of a CD&P application, which is, again, a little bit different than the zoning, or not a little bit, a lot different than the zoning application, because oftentimes you're going to be making the final decision on the zoning applications, whereas in CD&P, again, it's only a recommendation. So our report, once you get it, the first page looks like this, and in the first page of the report, you're going to see the key elements of the application. But what's really important for you to note is, if you'll see in front of you, is that where you have the request of the application listed, so that way you see in the example that's there, they're asking to go from business and office to low-medium density, but in the blue outline, it also tells you right there that it's a small-scale application, remember, less than 50 acres, and that it's also concurrent. Again, we have concurrent applications that the county attorneys talked about, which are applications that are both involved a CD&P change as well as a zoning change. The difference, again, with us is that you're going to be making a recommendation. The zoning component of the application is going to go before the Board of County Commissioners. So the zoning component of concurrent applications will not come before you for a decision, only the comprehensive development master plan applications. And the board, your board, what you'll be able to do is, when you make a motion, you can adopt the application, recommend to adopt. You can recommend to adopt with the declaration of restrictions or the covenant, which is what the county attorney was talking about. You can adopt with change. So let's say you have an application that's coming in, and they're asking to change the land use to high density, and you don't believe that high density is what's appropriate for your neighborhood. You think it's too intense. It's going to have problems. You can recommend that the application be changed to another type. So let's say medium density. So you have the ability to make certain recommendations on the application. Again, it'll be up to the Board of County Commissioners whether they accept your recommendation or not. And, of course, you can also recommend to deny the application. Okay? So now I'm going to go briefly over the standard applications. So the standard applications, as you'll recall, these are larger applications. They're greater than 50 acres. Again, we publish our report, the initial recommendations report. It goes before you for the community council recommendation. It goes to the planning advisory board. But the difference is that it goes to the Board of County Commissioners twice for public hearing. So the first time that it goes for public hearing, the public will be able to speak on it, give the recommendations. We then send it to the state. Because since these are larger applications, they could have impact on state and regional resources, such as the Florida Department of Transportation, the fish and wildlife from the state. There might be things about your application that you're reviewing that could impact the state. So the state has 30 days to review the application, give their comments, and then send it back to us. We then review whatever the state says. If the state objects, then we're going to have to figure out how to address their concerns. And then it will go to a second Board of County Commission hearing for final decision. And when that's done, we send it back to the state, at which time it could be challenged. Now, again, in this particular case for standard applications, you only get to see the application once, which is when it comes before you. The zoning, again, will only be heard at the final Board of County Commission meeting. And the recommendations that you would be giving in terms of motions, it's the same as with the small scale, except that you would be either recommending to transmit the application to the state for their review, or you can say you don't recommend that it be transmitted. You would like the application to be denied, and you don't even want to send it to the state. So those essentially are the various options that you have as a Board to give recommendations on the applications. Now, there's just a couple more things that I'd like to review, and then I'll conclude my presentation. So for CD&P applications, there are three times of year when applicants can file their applications. So you're going to be seeing, for example, that an application says that it's a January cycle. What does that mean? So applications can be filed in the January cycle, in the May cycle, or October cycle. So those are the only three times a year where CD&P applications may be filed. The only difference is that we also have out-of-cycle applications, which means that they could be filed at any time. And let me conclude, because I see Maria Elena's here. Let me conclude just by saying one last thing. So every seven years, we're able to make changes to our comprehensive plan. Again, this is the vision for our county, and it's very important because it sets the ground for a future development. We are currently in that process, and we are currently working on our latest evaluation and appraisal of the comprehensive plan. And we're probably going to be coming to your community council at some point with some of the things that we are considering for the future growth of the county. So I highly encourage you, once we have the information available for you, to ask questions and let us know what you think. Again, thank you. Welcome. And I look forward to working with you. So I noticed there were some late arrivals, and we still have to store you guys in. So anybody who wasn't sworn in, please go to the front over by the hallway. Did everybody in here get sworn in? Okay, so we will commence the presentation. Okay, so the next person to do the presentation will be Robert from Ethics. Good afternoon. Let's get the show on the road. My name is Robert Thompson. I do about 97 county boards. Sometimes we deal with all 17 of the community councils. And welcome. Thank you for what you do in the communities. And no one loses friends. You just find out who the real ones are. So I guess if they don't put me up, I will continue with what I have here. So you know why we're here, so I don't need to tell you all those wonderful things. You do this every two years, and I'm sure you look forward to driving downtown and sitting in chambers, and I'll keep it moving. Introduction, this is who we are, the Commissioner on Ethics and Public Trust. So we have three main functions. And I heard Mr. Keighley talk about quasi-judicial. Please pay attention to that because there's a difference in what you can talk about versus your regular legislative side of the fence. People don't read what the Home Rule Charter is, but we talk about it because the only time folk pay attention to the Home Rule Charter is when they want to do recall on an elected official because it's all laid out in there. And that's how we were established. And what the Ethics Commission does is we have the county ordinance where we talk about the conflict of interest, code of ethics, ordinances, municipal ethics codes, lobbyist registration, and reporting ordinances, and then ethical campaign practices for those of you who dare to venture out into the world of running for office. So we do a course in that. And then the last one we enforce, the Citizens' Bill of Rights, and it's not like the one in your doctor's office, okay? So we provide training to elected officials, board members, employees, and persons that transact with local government. The role of the community council member is totally different from your regular board out there. And I tell you this because I like to give theory and then I like to give real world. If you are a member of community council 11, 12, 13, any community council, you cannot attend other community council meetings. So when I give a briefing to one community council on one given evening and the next, another community council the next day, and the person who was sitting in the meeting the night before shows up to the other community council meeting, and I asked them, I said, why are you here? Oh, I just wanted to hand out some flyers. And I said, you cannot be here. You cannot attend. Well, why can't I? I wanted to change. I said, take it up with the legislature. But if you stay here, you're going to force me to have to write it up, waste my time because I did the briefing, and they can see you in training yesterday, and now I got to write you up. And I don't want to do that. So, and by the way, ethics training is provided to all of the elected officials. They have a four-hour state-mandated scenario. If they get appointed, reappointed, reelected, they have a mandatory two-hour that they do with us, so they can end up doing six hours of ethics training. Individual ethics guidance. We're talking about opinion. So, folks, before you get out there and start saying this is what you want to do and you're not sure, if you go to the county attorney's office and ask for an ethics opinion, they're going to smile because they're going to tell you to go to the ethics commission. And we do that. That's what we do. There are myths out there that people say if you're on a community council, you have no, you don't have a right to make a living. You shouldn't have a job. Those things are farthest from the truth. And ask for assistance and guidance prior to committing or doing whatever you think is right because we will look at it and, you know, we'll get you the guidance that you need. Okay? Filing a complaint used to be you can call us anonymously on hotmail, whatever you wanted to do, and we could take it in, say, hey, we're going to file you a complaint. Tallahassee says, nah, you can't do that anymore. It has to be submitted by a person who has knowledge of the issue, the facts, and it can't be hearsay. So, and by the way, they want a sworn affidavit, and all that stuff is on our website, and there's a capability of having it notarized based on what we have on the site. So, people say, oh, ethics commission, they can't really do much. Well, the county, we have the state attorney's office that has concurrent jurisdiction with us in the ordinance, okay? So, while it may be criminal, whatever, alleged criminality in the process, we cannot prosecute criminal activity. It goes to the state attorney's office or FDLE. Keeley, this is why you're here. Interest in code of ethics ordinance applicable to all county boards. Even though you are community councils, it still applies. Again, Keeley made sure that you understood the difference in quasi-judicial and legislative folk. The folk who come up to you and say, oh, by the way, I have something I want to talk to you about, will be the first ones to rat you out if their application or whatever doesn't go the way they think it should, okay? In the advisory board, you're doing legislative and you go to the BCC and they take it from there. Don't get offended if they don't take your recommendations and follow through with them because they're not obligated to do so. They may say yes, they may say no, but that's part of the process. Appearances. I harp on this because there are people, again, I talked about this, and I read it verbatim. This is not in the ethics code, but it's in the Miami-Dade County Code. Community councils and responsibilities. No member of a community council shall appear at any public hearings or meetings before the BCC or any other federal, state, or local board or tribunal to advocate concerning any zoning application that was heard by or that could reasonably be expected to be heard by any community council. I don't know how to make it any plainer, but like I said, the young lady who showed up to another community council briefing, and I wasn't angry. I was just a little disappointed because we had just talked about this the night before. Ask before you act, okay? You have great staff with the community council board liaisons. They do a great job with what they do. I always jokingly say if you don't have a picture next to it, people don't read it. They don't read it. You got to have a picture of something that, you know, gets their interest. So you can reach out to the Ethics Commission directly. You can send us the email. You know, you can do whatever. But, again, utilize the resources you have available for two reasons. A free service. And what you don't want to do is end up on the front page of the Herald by mistake. I always jokingly say the media always gets it right, and then I move on from that. As a courtesy, if you need an ethics opinion about something you're doing, how you may be impacted by a vote or something that your community council is taking a look at, are you going to benefit from it directly or indirectly? Are you a manager in a department store where you're trying to buy some property next to it? How does it impact your salary? Is your vote going to, you know, make a difference? Well, we look at different things. We don't rubber stamp everything. Everything is fact pattern, fact pattern. We look at the facts, okay? Good example, one out of one million, you're not getting any special benefit. But if you're getting one out of ten or one out of five, you can believe that citizens are looking at that. If the issue is novel, and before we put it on the website and you ask for that opinion, we will reach out to you and talk to you about it before it goes on the website. So you have some idea of what's coming. You may not want it in writing, so this is what we do. We ask you, if it's criminal in nature, well, don't call us, okay? So, gifts. Only two kind of gifts you're going to get if you sit on community councils. I've been saying this for a little over 25 years. The only two gifts you're going to get are frustration and aggravation. That's it. You're not going to get anything else. You know why? Because those citizens that complain, complain, complain, they know that you can't accept the gift for doing your job. I always use the three words, no, or four really, no quid pro quo. I don't care how many slides I show you. I don't care what I say, but no quid pro quo. And no one has ever come up to you, I don't care what you do, where you are, and say, oh, by the way, this is my hidden agenda. I just want to tell you up front. I've never been to a meeting that someone has done that, okay? So bottom line is no gifts. Don't accept them for doing your job. And we go from there. What's a gift? People tend to think gifts are just money, okay? It could be money, service, loan, travel, entertainment, and hospitality. There have been some people that have been removed from office for accepting gifts and those wonderful discounts. Be careful of folk bearing gifts because once you take the gift and it goes well, they love you. But, oh, let it go south. They will stand up in the meeting and say, oh, by the way, I gave X a gift, and they promised me this was going to pass. And it got denied. And, oh, by the way, as a gesture of thanking them, I gave them $500. We've had something like that happen. But the bottom line is gifts. Don't take a gift for doing your job. They might be trying to give you one to influence your decision one way or the other, so you want to be careful. There are certain things that are major exceptions. If you're asked to go represent your community council or speak or whatever somewhere and you have something in writing, and I always say to the chairs of community councils, please put what you want those community council members to do in writing. That leaves no room for any miscommunication. I use an example from my time in the service. I gave an Army private document, and I put a little yellow sticky on it. I said, 25 copies of this. Guess what he brought me back? 25 copies of the yellow sticky. I couldn't get angry with him, but I did say to him, we'll teach you about how to do this after $1,800, which means after 6 p.m. So if you don't put it in writing, you don't give them specific guidance, and then you want to make sure that that guidance is approved and all of the above in terms of the organization, you'll be fine. But if you don't give them specifics, the other case in point, they told somebody to go find catering and entertainment for an event. This wasn't with community councils. What did the young lady do? She went and hired her husband for entertainment and her daughter for catering and had signed contracts. I won't tell the city, but she was the clerk in that municipality. They voided the contracts, okay? If you go to a conference and they give you informative advertising, nature, pencils, bags, you know, some people, they have all that stuff on the table. That's not a gift, okay? So if you solicit, even if you don't receive the gift, you got a problem. So charitable, nonprofit, those kinds of things, you want to make sure that nexus me is a big word for no quid pro quo. In other words, if you're going to give me a gift, and in return, I've got to vote yes, or I've got to make this happen, we got a problem. If you never received the gift, the fact that you solicited it in and of itself can be problematic, okay? See that hand up there? Stop. Don't take it. So if you happen to be that person who's dealing with state ethics code and you talk about gifts, just don't take them. Don't accept them, okay? So here's what happens. We get people who say, well, the state says it's over 100 bucks. I have to report it. And then they come up with this wonderful mathematic equation. I call it fake math or whatever you want to call it. So they say, if three people take me out for lunch and it's $35 per person, do I have to disclose it? In the aggregate, guess what? Three times 35. Last time I went to school was $105. Okay, so you still have to report it. I don't take gifts. I don't take gifts. I don't take gifts. If you happen to take one and it's due, like if I got one today, I'd have to report it by December 31st. But let me tell you what citizens do. They know you took a gift. They will wait until 1 January, and then they will file a complaint if you have not filed a form. Yes. Okay? So it's important. Financial disclosure. I'm of the belief that everyone on community councils files the form, state form 1. Does that sound right to everyone? How many of you are new board members, new community council members? Okay. I'm going to show you something that's going to make your day. This is what the state does. So you're going to have to go on their system. Okay? Beginning January 1st, 2027, and it's all done electronically. Okay? So you want to do it there, and you want to get situated. And remember, you need to get this done. Okay? If you do fill out the form 1 and it's new to you, you can send them to the Ethics Commission. We won't do anything with them. It's maintained by the state. Okay? And community council members file form 1. Okay? In some cases, people get removed from boards. Guy was on the board for 20 years, and he called me, Mr. Thompson, I got removed from the board. I said, did you file your financial disclosure? Oh, I forgot. I said, you've been on the board 20 years, and you forgot? He says, well, what can I do? I said, well, file a form and go back to the person who appointed you and ask them to reappoint you. I said, Mr. Thompson can't help you. I can't do anything. Plus, what's the phrase? Three sides to employment. My side, the boss's side, and the outside. I don't want to be on either one. There are fines that the state will fine you if you don't file the form. But, again, get with your board ladies and your staff to make sure you're getting this done. And county financial disclosures, primarily for those people who are on boards that are part of the county, and they know that they have to file because they have to do it through in forms. Voting conflicts. Everyone in community councils always gets along very well, and they all vote yes. Correct? No? Is that like saying there's no such thing as road rage in Miami-Dade County? When you have voting conflicts, folks, read the mail. Read the fine print. Understand the dynamics of what you're dealing with. You may not know that you have a conflict, but here's the bottom line. Ask the question before it becomes an issue. Oh, God. I don't like this. The gentleman who says facts versus emotions. Oh, my goodness. You know, when people call our office and they scream and they yell and they say, Oh, Mr. Thompson, you're not helping me. You're not this. And then they start using four-letter words like find, feed, food, feel. And I don't want to mess up and say the wrong one. Okay. But I always say to them, and I say this professionally, do you know what a dial tone sounds like? And I says, what does that mean? I said, you got 10 seconds. I've not been disrespectful to you, and I won't allow it. So the whole tone changes. Now, having said that, if you're grumpy and you don't like something, you can always put on the record your point of contention as opposed to being grumpy about it. The other thing is, if you have a valid, valid conflict of interest, you can abstain from voting. Otherwise, you must vote yes or no. That conflict of interest is determined by what you send to the Commission on Ethics and Public Trust and what we send back to you. Okay. This is a lot of verbiage. The automatic conflict, if you happen to have one of these positions in terms of an organization you're with, keep in mind, send us what we need to look at and send us the facts, and we go from there. Contingent conflicts, bondholder, debtor. You know, here's a person. Anyone here know what Florida SunBiz or SunBiz.org is? Yeah, if you want to know who's on the board and why and what they're doing, you look there. And there was one person who got a $5,000 grant. I never called the cities out. And they were the only person on that board, and they were an elected official. And how they got caught up in it was they were doing things for – they were denying things for other citizens, but for their family members, they were saying yes. And when somebody found out, they went to SunBiz.org. This was the only person on the board. And that $5,000 grant money, where do you think it was going? It was really going to go to the citizens, not. So they ended up having to pay it back and getting a fine. And there's some broader catch-all scenario. So always ask the right questions. Don't be afraid, because what happens is this. It's like Johnny. Johnny, every neighborhood has a little Johnny. Mom says no, and little Johnny goes to Dad, who's half asleep. And Dad says, what did your mom say? Oh, she said ask you. She said, okay, well, she told you to ask me. Go ahead. It's okay. Bottom line, read the fine print, read the fine print, read the fine print. It makes a difference. And that catch-all conflict is just that. It will catch you up if you're not paying attention. Local standard is more stringent than the states. Bottom line means it does not require a definite or measurable private gain or loss, okay? And that is considered your enhanced conflict voting prohibition. So, in other words, if you're going to gain or lose, keep in mind, no matter what, the local standard is more stringent than the states. States, some cases, it says 100. Some municipalities, and it doesn't apply to community council so much, but certain municipalities will say, instead of that 100, it has to be 50. And there's some that say 25. And then there's some municipalities that say point out zero. So, I don't take gifts, and I would just recommend that you yourself don't do it as well. So, now Mr. Thompson hypothetically has a conflict of interest. I have to disclose it, and this is what I must do. Announce it in advance in public. Two, leave the room. Don't go sit in the back. Don't go sit behind the pillow. Leave the room. Totally. And then, board staff will give you the state form 8 Bravo that you fill out and turn it in within a 15-day window. Okay? And if you don't file that form, believe me, somebody is looking to make sure you did. Exploitation of official position does not happen in Miami-Dade County, so I just, are we going to skip this section? What's the problem? Okay, okay, okay. I know you know I'm being sarcastic. So, no board member shall use or attempt to use his or her official position to secure a special benefit or privilege for himself or herself or others. So, as a community council member, you want to help your neighbors. You want to do the best you can do. And somebody comes up and says to you, you know, I'm having a problem with this variance or whatever and zoning, and I need your assistance. Can you recommend, you know, like the three X's on, what is it, Family Feud or something like that? You want to send them to staff or you want to send them to the website because the minute you say yes or no, people have selective listening. Okay? They will remember everything that they wanted to remember, but they won't remember that there are certain things that they should do. So, it's like you have to fill out paperwork A, B, C, and D, and they fill out A and B, and then they call you and say, I never heard anything about my application. Well, did you fill out everything? And staff will say, did you? And they'll say, no. And so, that's the selective listening part. Oh, this one. Yeah. So, that's what I was just talking about. Why do people think when you're sitting on these boards that you, community councils, that you don't have a right to make a living? Bottom line is, what you do on the board or community council should not impact or, you know, should not impact your independence of judgment in performing those public duties. How many of you balance your checkbook to a penny? Your private checkbook. See, your hand almost never goes up. What do you think happens if you don't balance that public checkbook to a penny? Somebody's watching you. So, bottom line is, as long as your job, what you're doing with community council doesn't impair your judgment, you're fine. Okay. Lobbying, I've currently talked about a lot of it. Let staff vet lobbyists before they come to your board. Here's what happens. And I'm going to say this, and I know who's in the room. I got no problem with it. Lobbying, lobbyists do a lot of great work. But you know when you hear something negative about lobbyists is when people don't understand the process. What they do is they take this much information and condense it down to this so you can read it, so you can understand it, so you can comprehend it. So, these are the people who can lobby, and these are the folks that can be lobbied. So, all this is action, decision, recommendation of the mayor, county commission, county boards, or committees, actions that force civilly. So, here's what you're dealing with, community council. You might be dealing with a piece of property, and I'll just pick a number out there, community council 11. And so, next door is an empty lot, and you're saying, wow, this is a great school here, and this lot is empty. At some point in time, you don't always know what's going to be foreseeable, but you're looking at this, and you say, eh, maybe we'll be looking at this down the road. So, when you can, you look at what's foreseeable, and principals who lobby on their own behalf must also register. Now, when you talk about who's not a lobbyist, and Eddie touched on a couple of things, expert witnesses. Sometimes you want someone to come in and talk to you about scientific, technical, or specialized information, unpaid neighborhood association representatives. One of the things the Ethics Commission does not do, we don't tell HOAs what to do. We have no jurisdiction over homeowners associations, okay? And imagine if you're a person who lives in a given area, and you're told you have to register as a lobbyist to represent yourself. You're losing your mind. Now, what you cannot do is say, okay, you're going to deal with whatever, but you cannot use two hats when you're dealing with a given issue, okay? Some people want you to know who they are, and this is what they sit on. Well, that's great in theory, but it doesn't work. These are people who can be lobbied, okay? Again, let staff vet those persons to make sure they are in compliance. We're almost there, folks. Usually, I try not to get people this late in the afternoon because they get sleepy, but it's two games I usually play, and I never had to play them in my 25 years. The first game is called the Hokey Pokey, and the other one I never, ever want to play is called Stand Up and Slap Somebody. And I say to them, I say to them, wait, I tell people, stop, stop, stop. Listen to my directions. Do not take it upon yourself to just start slapping people. So you just can't do that. So citizens' bill of rights, not like the one in your doctor's office, dental office. Again, I mentioned home rule charter. Let me say this. Read it sometimes, okay? This is how Miami-Dade County is governed. Imagine you get pulled over by a police officer for speeding, and he asks for driver's license, registration, and car insurance. Then he gives it all back to you and says, have a nice day. What are you thinking? I can't say, what'd you stop me for? You can't enforce nothing. You ain't giving no ticket. And that's what the home rule charter was saying about the Bill of Rights. There was no enforcement mechanism. So the citizens in 97 said, okay, yep, we're going to have the Ethics Commission interpret and render advisory opinions in the 2012 enforcement mechanism, okay? Believe it or not, there was a gentleman who, and I'd like to get right to it, truth in government. Hold on. I know what happened here, and forgive me, folks. This is the truth in government where a gentleman ended up paying $4,000 for not doing what he should have done. And, again, it's important because it shouldn't take six months for you to go speak before your board or your municipal commissioners. Now, there's one caveat that I apologize for. I'm going to talk a little bit about Sunshine Lawn Public Records. It's not in your handout. I'll make sure you get a copy from staff through Ms. Bellow. Well, Mr. Keighley graciously informed me I would be speaking about this this afternoon, so that's why I'm here. So you won't have this, but I'll make it as painless as possible. We should be done shortly. Policy is all state, county, municipal records open for personnel inspection and copying by any person that is in the public record. Folk, when in doubt, don't. If you're going to take notes and this and that, you ever notice that people like to scribble in those little corners and then somehow or another down the road, the nasty things they wrote in those little corners become public record? You can't undo that. The custodian, if you get anything in your email, phone, snail mail that has to do with agenda items or board business, that is a public record. Get it. Get it off your phone. Get it to staff so that they can maintain. Otherwise, you will be the custodian, right? The access of state and local governments as well as the private entity. So here's a and I'm not picking on the city of Miami has a private vendor that does all of their public records. If you go to the city of Miami for yourself and you want personal records, they cannot charge you what the vendor is charging the city because they're conducting public business as a private entity. So go through the city and they'll get you what you need. Written versus oral, if you go somewhere, no one can tell you, oh, by the way, you have to put it in writing and tell us your name and what it's for. If you get them for your board business, community council business, get the staff texting. That's another planet for another day. Transitory. I want to go to lunch. I want to have this. If you are in a public meeting, don't write on a piece of paper handed to the person next to you because the people in the audience don't know what it is. And they're going to ask the question. And if it's about board business, they're going to want to see it. Don't dispose of it if it's a board business, again, through staff. State of Florida has an organization that deals with this. And how many of you are really confident in believing that all of your personal information is guarded when you go on the Internet? So people say, oh, you don't have to worry about it. Just Google it. No one will ever find it. They have your home address. They have where you live, who you're sleeping with. They have all of the above. So there's a thousand exemptions. If you as a person go to deal with a public records request and someone says to you, there's an exemption for every exemption. There's a statute that goes with that exemption. OK, so don't let them just tell you that. Anyone who says I can help you get around public records, run. Just run. Because litigation is costly. Let's see. Criminal penalties. And I don't have to worry about boards or community council members because they know how to get that stuff off their record. But I will tell you the one city that paid $1.4 million in Sunshine Line public records violations. City of Venice, Florida. They had meetings on the weekend, talked about all these zoning issues. And one guy says, where did it come from? And the mayor said, hey, we did our emails, whatever. And guess what? They asked them for, they violated Sunshine Law to the tune of $750,000 when they were asked for the public record. They told people where to go. And another $290,000 is what they ended up spending. Briefly, as we go into Sunshine Law, a quorum is required at the location to conduct official business. No form of action shall be binding unless it is taken at such a meeting. So if you do not have a quorum and you vote on different things, not going to matter. It will not count. And by the way, the people who set this up, they don't have to abide by it. That's the legislation, but they have their own set of rules for Sunshine Law. Basically, requirements, your minutes are probably the most important thing because that's what citizens are going to request a look at. So you just want to make sure that reasonable notice. And the gentleman who said, please show up to the meetings, what he's saying is they have a 10-day window or two weeks that they have to put that information out. If they miss it by one day, they got to go all the way back to the drawing board and redo it. Go through your staff. Go through your community council board staff. They should be able to. Does anyone from staff want to respond? I would beg to say that when you get that packet, everything is in that packet. Yes, you get that. And if you don't and you know a meeting's coming up, pick up the phone and make a call. Please, believe me, they'll get it to you. So much for Sunshine Law. So, folks, here's the bottom line. Quorum in place. You want to make sure that you're doing the right things. When you're dealing with the public, you have great staff. Don't wait until after the fact and say, oh, by the way, what's the phrase? Don't close the barn door and say, oh, you know, I forgot to put the horse in. But it's important that you show up. And Keith Lee also touched on one other thing. Evidence in front of you for community council scenarios is what's critical. OK. A lot of times people want to say, well, my neighbors say it, my neighbors say it. That's not what's relevant. And keep in mind the difference in quasi-judicial versus the CDMP. When it down, ask the question. So that's the short version of what is normally 90 minutes. But I want to thank Ms. Bellow for getting me here. And I'm a cantankerous old man. But I want to say thank you again for what you do. And you're going to find out who your real friends are as you move forward. The phrase is, you never lose friends. You just find out who the real ones are. So thank you for your time, folk. Have a great day. Thank you, Mr. Thompson. All right. So next is development service with Shalindra and Ron. After you, everybody. I'm Ron Conley. I'm the supervisor for the development review section. Our main function is to take in the applications that the public files for zone changes, shed variances, lake fills, lake applications. So they start with us. We take the applications that are submitted 24 hours a day, seven days a week, rain or shine, no holidays. So we're always on ball to get those things taken care of. Our staff, again, will look at the application, make sure everything is dotted and signed, and all the dates are there that's required, all the required documents are in the application. If not, we will deny it and let the applicant know what needs to be done to bring the application to perfection. Once it's accepted, we do have a 21-day review period by the different departments. We have a 21-standard-day review, and those are calendar days, not business days. So it's a 21-day calendar. If it's a workforce housing or an expert that has a seven-day review period, so it's a pretty quick review period. We're also in my section is also involved with the notification of the applications. We do a preliminary notice within the first 30 days of the application submittal. With a generalized request by the applicant, it's going to have the location, such as the property, the applicant name. Then we do a final notice, which is a notice that has to be 15 days prior to the hearing date. That's more detailed. Time, location, date of the board, location of the board. We do also a posting of the property, the area, which gives, again, a breakdown of the same information. We also advertise in Miami Herald, again, with the 15-day, 14-day requirement for the code. And then at that point, pretty much, that's my job. Okay, so I'm a quick one here. Next is Shilindra Singh for his part. Okay, thank you very much. Any questions before I go? Any questions? Okay, thank you very much. Very quick. That was quick. Thanks, Ron. Yeah, I think everybody is tired now, so we're going to try to keep it quick. My name is Shilindra Singh. I'm the supervisor for the zoning hearing section. Basically, my staff is the one that is the zoning reviewers. They will, when an application comes in, they are the ones that are going to do the 21-day review. They are the ones that will look at it, the plans that have been submitted, what the requests are, what the variances are. They will provide a deficiency to the applicant if there is something missing that they require for the review. They are proficient in the zoning code. They know it inside out. They will be able to evaluate what those requests are based on that. So, that's the first one. The technical review of the applications happens there. Based on the review, if everything is good to go. By the way, zoning staff is not the only staff that looks at it. There are other departments that are also reviewing it at the same time. So, the review process is all happening concurrently with all the departments. And let's say once all the departments have given a green signal that, okay, based on what we have, this can go to the next step. This can be scheduled for a hearing. That's when Ron's group schedules that application for a hearing date. And also, that is also the time where staff starts to write what is called the staff recommendation report. That is the recommendation that comes to you guys, right? It tells you either to deny it based on whatever findings are or to approve it based on what our findings are. Again, it's a recommendation to you, right? Because at the end of the day, it's a public hearing. It's going to come in front of you guys. Neighbors are going to show up. They might either support it or they might have arguments against it. And that's where your role comes into play. You will have us as a professional staff. That staff recommendation gives you all the tools as to what part of the code was applicable here. Based on that, what were the things that were missing? Is it compatible with the neighborhood or not? All that stuff is in the staff report. That's a pretty comprehensive one. And that comes to you as part of the kit before the hearing. I think we get them to at least 10 days. So you have enough time to be able to look at that. And by the way, that kit also not only has a staff recommendation report, but it also has all the other information like all the departmental memos, the application documents that were submitted by the applicant, all the plans and elevations and what needs to be. You heard from the county attorneys earlier that sometimes there might be a covenant involved as well, that they have submitted tying themselves to certain restrictions as to what they're going to build or not. That covenant, executed covenant, is also usually part of the kit as well, if it's applicable in that case. So all that information is going to be in that kit that comes to you at least 10 days before the actual public hearing is going to happen, right? Before the staff recommendation is finalized and put into the kit and sent out to you, we also meet with the county attorneys, Eddie's group. They look at it for legal sufficiency. They also make sure that everything is lining up. And if our staff recommendation has all the things that it needs to say or doesn't need to say or things that can be taken out or more analysis has to be put in. And if there's a covenant, they will look at the covenant documents to make sure it's legally sufficient, et cetera. So all that happens. So what you get when the final staff recommendation comes to you, it has gone through all these levels of reviews as well, right? Ron's group also, when it's ready for public hearing, the ad notifications go out. That's very important because you want the neighbors and everybody to know that so-and-so date. And we usually work at least two months in advance for that, right? Advertisement. At least a month before. So that gives that, and that's what is required by the code because you want people to have ample time to know that so-and-so date, that there's going to be a public hearing is going to be taking place on this site and at this time, et cetera, et cetera, right? And then also our staff attends the zoning hearing meeting as well. We are there with somebody from the county attorney's office as well to be able to help with any questions that you might have for staff. Most of the time, we'll have the answers for you right then. If not, we'll make sure that we get those answers back to you. And if so, based on that, if you guys look to defer the item for the next hearing or based on that, you get enough information and you can provide what the board's decision is, right? What else? Yes. I think they're still posted online, right? Maria Elena? Maria Elena. The agenda is basically like HTML, so it's just kind of, it's not easy. So, you'll see a worksheet. So, there's two variations. There's like a HTML and there's just a worksheet. Right, that's the worksheet. So, because of the plan, the plan requires a lot of papers. And there's, there's hundreds of them to be used. So, it's a thing like that. We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're trying to figure out how to do that. And what's our fundamental part in our process? I mean, it's something that, like, like you said, is being, we're trying to figure it out. Because remember, sometimes the plans are also being submitted, sometimes within the scope of that. There are changes that are being made, stuff, and the, the, the, the, the hard copy that you get has all of that. But to make sure that everything that was submitted, and these could be, like she said, 100 pages of plans, sections, elevations, landscape plans, all of them have to be made sure that they are ADA compliant. So, that's something that I think not only us, but most of the county departments are, are, are dealing with right now. Because now there's a directive that all of, all of it has to be, you know, completely ADA compliant. And to make sure that whatever is submitted by the applicant online, that we take it down, make it ADA compliant, and then re-upload it again. That's probably what's, I think, the departments are trying to figure out. Yeah, so that's, that's, that's a part I was coming to, that all the, all the plans, everything that's submitted is available online. Yes, yes, yeah. No, no, so, so let's understand, I think what he's talking about is once the kit is ready, it's sent out as a hard copy. But what if it's sent out as an email or something as a PDF? That's the part that, that we are working with. But all those files, all that information is public record, available online, and that's, that's, that's the site. So, it's not according to different CZAPs, it's based on the application number. So, it's the application number, it's accessible, and once, you know, even in the links, it is, it's based on the application number that, that, you know, and I, so on, so it's, it's not, it's not the kit. This is not the kit, right? I mean, this is, everything that's in the kit is here, because this is the actual application that is, anytime, anything that was submitted is here. So, this is, what you get as a kit is now, it's, it's, it's taking everything that is the latest memo, so it will have all the old memos, everything. It has, it has, it's, it's, it's almost like a, like a, like a, like an entire history of that application that's available here. That's, that's public record. What we're trying to get to you is the most latest and greatest pertinent information, and that's the kit, right? That's the kit that we get to you as a hard copy. Now, staff is trying to work to make sure that the same kit, that final kit, is also ADA compliant, and I think this is, this is probably, like, something that, you know, like, hopefully is, is going to get done soon, because before that, we were doing it electronically as well. It's probably, apparently, there was not ADA compliant at the time. That's what now is being required across the board. So, now, before it is put out electronically, it has to be ADA compliant. That's, that's the only difference. It's not about not getting the information out there or holding anything back. It's when we, we want to get the, when the final kit goes out electronically, it has to be ADA compliant, right? But, anyways, I'll, I'll, I'll, we can, we can talk about that with staff more in detail afterwards if you guys want. So, anyways, so this is, for example, this is the application number. That's a link, and it will have, once you go in there, this is the port, kind of portal. You can see that, that's a summary. You can see, in this case, what was the, what was the timeline when did last Miami-Dade Fire Rescue had denied it or zoning had denied it, and then when they came back, what were the, you know, the timeline? That's in the summary. Then there's a location, fees were paid. All this is, is information that's available. The attachments, which is like the fifth down, is, is, if you click on that tab, that's where all the memos, all the plans, how they were submitted, like maybe four months ago versus was submitted like 10 days ago or a month ago. All that is, is there. So, that keeps all, that stores all the documents, includes the memos from all the departments, et cetera, et cetera, right? And the application, if there's a covenant, all of that is there as well, okay? These are some other useful websites that where all the informations can be found. I'm going to leave that up for a second. If you guys want to take a picture, keep that however you want. The first one is where, like, if you get in there and then you put in, that's our land management intergov, intergov system is called, that's the name of the system. But that's pretty much, even if you, not only you're looking for that application, but you're trying to see what was, there was something else that had happened in the neighborhood for another application prior. That's, if you put that input, the application number, you'll be able to see what happened in that case. What was the CZAP decision in that case, all that information. The first one is definitely much more useful than anything else. Again, that's when you get to that. That's the application number. Ron, you want to talk about this? This is part of the zoning agenda creator staff that handles most of the things here as far as the meetings are set up in advance for the year. We do the whole year at one time. It takes a lot of work with, you know, getting the calendar together, who's, you know, if everybody's available for the meeting dates. So we do a yearly calendar up to date. I think we do the first six months and then we do the second six months, right? Yeah. It takes a while. I mean, it's a logistical challenge, to say the least, because we're not the only people using those board locations. There are other agencies and the private things that use those board dates. So it's very time-consuming for our staff to do that and the kids says, you know, they're delivered by our ZACO staff becomes ZACO, okay? And we have the meeting reminders which are getting done by the ZACO staff, okay? So they're there. Yeah, yeah. Something more consistent or, like, you reach out to actually the people on the community council and ask them what things are not good for them. Like, then we would not have issues where there aren't, you know, a forum. And it makes it a little easier for your community to plan, hey, you know, on the second Tuesday, I'd be somewhere at 6.30. I don't leave work early, but it takes me an hour and 40 to get there. I mean, we're on living, it takes an hour and 40 minutes from here to get it down to our council. So I'm just not understanding what the process is and why it's so random. Yeah, so when we draft our calendar, we typically try to be as consistent as possible. But what happens is that when we provide the calendar to the county attorneys and all the other moving parts, so, like, staff and also the venues, according to their availability, we have to move dates around. So that's why you'll find, like, some dates aren't consistent. But initially, when we draft our calendar, we try to remain as consistent as possible. But unfortunately, certain staff or the venue itself isn't available. And that's why we provide these calendars as early as possible and, you know, as far out as possible. That's why we do from January to July. And also, we have to take into account BCC, so anything relating to subcommittees and the commissioners. We have. We have. But the thing is that we have to move the dates around. And a good example is, like, for example, today is the 26th, 27th, actually, and there's a committee council meeting tonight. But now for November, because of Thanksgiving, pretty much all the meetings are going to be over by the second week almost, at the end of the second week. So, you see, we didn't have the luxury of, like, you know, laying it out like 27th. We will not be able to. So, sometimes all these things, challenges come in as well, because we are anticipating that people are going to be away for Thanksgiving. I understand when you think about it, when you think about the entire scope, like, we have to pay those the entire scope. Thank you. The thought is this. When we make the calendars, I'm just asking, it may seem like an internal question, but, you know, we do try to space them out. Now, if there is a deferral, we have the next calendar date already ready. It's not, we don't make a new date. We have the preset calendar. So, we can't say, for example, we had a deferral for a notice error today. We can't say you can go back in a week. We look at our calendar and say, okay, our next available date is November, whatever. So, I mean, we're keeping to what we have preset for a calendar. Yes, errors happen all the time, every position, every job we have in the county. But we do our best to keep, we don't make a new date. If a date was, if we had an issue with a hearing date and it was incorrect, we'd go to the next board meeting where it had set up for that month. So, we don't make updates, you know, because we missed something. Well, I mean, that was, that's a question. I mean, I'm not sure. Do we give them the calendar? Well, if you can, after the meeting, we give it that particular application, that date for that meeting. We can take a look at it and see what happened. But, again, we don't make new dates. I mean, we would go to the next available meeting. We have to see how that notice went out, if it followed our county process, if we had the right time frame to get it out there. But, you know, I'm just saying we don't make, we don't make updates because of an issue. We have dates set in advance for six months. We have a six month and the second six months. So, we're, are we finished with, well, we're finished with the year right now. We're starting a new calendar for next year. And, again, believe me, all those, all the points you make are valid points. The problem is we have the same issue. We have to look for our venues. You know, we have to make sure that staffing is available. It's not, it's not just zoning. It's all the departments that are involved also. So, it's, it's a very difficult thing to take care of. And, you know, we hear your concerns and all we can say is, I don't know if we give them the date, let's say, if we have the date for next year, let's say, end of the year, we say from January to July, here are our dates. You know, you can tell us that we can't change the date. It's right, set up. At least you should be aware of those dates. You could say, I'm up, I won't be here for that day. You know, that's the only thing I can tell you right now. She's here. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, but usually, I just, I also wanted to add something else that, from what, the way I understand that we try, that every board, we are trying to do exactly a month. Right. That's all, that's kind of the number. And we kind of already know that CZEP, for example, CZEP8 is followed by CZEP7, et cetera. So, it's, it's almost like that. So, it's month, it's month to month. Now, of course, if this month, it was on, on today, for example, on a Tuesday, next month, it might be. Like, you know, if it's, or two months, or the next year, it might be on a Saturday, of course, it's going to move a little bit. But, but it's usually, it's a thumb rule, it's usually a month, you know. Like, and within that, we kind of, like, try to fix it, right? I mean, is that, is that kind of, I could, but then, again, we run into something like November, and, and then, then issues, by the way, August, there's recess, right? I think, for the new, new members, yeah. August is the best month. There's nothing for August, okay? And, again, we have to be, I should be sure that we can't have two boards the same night. So, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, a lot of, you know, researching, getting, getting the right dates. We can't have a board 10, a board 8 the same night. We only have one staff. Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah. No, we, I mean, no, you're right. When, when it comes to the radius amounts, the distances, that's set by the board. They made some changes a few years ago, or they made it less intensive. That was the board. So, we just, we're following the code. Our code has requirements for the type of application, 500 foot, half mile a mile. So, within that, that, that, you know, area, we have to base it, base it on that requirement for the code. So, you can always, you know, talk to your council, your, your, your commissioners, and ask them to look at that again. Yes, sir. I'm not sure to answer that question, to tell you the truth. There may be a county attorney question about that. I mean, you're, you're saying as a, as a community council member, you're putting stuff out there, saying about dates. The hearing date is fine, I think so. Tell them about the hearing date. I mean, if it's, if it's a date. But, they're not allowed to talk about a specific application. They're not allowed to talk about a specific application. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're best to, you know, contact the county attorney or the ethics for that, because that's just something new for me for that. All right. Yeah. I mean, I, again. I think a hearing date might be fine. I'm not sure once, once you, once the application, then there might be a follow-up question that somebody might want to know more about that application. Then it probably puts you into a quandary. But, again, that's a, that's a question that we can probably pose to the county attorney. Yeah. You know, but, again, I just want, I just want to, you know, to just basically reiterate that, again, this isn't something we just sit there haphazily saying, oh, this to that day, it's a lot of work. Her section spends weeks and weeks going through our calendars, talking the venues. Is it available? Remember, it's not just, it's not just us. We have private companies, other boards that go to these meetings. So it's a very, you know, we have to be, but the board of county commissioners have to make sure they don't, they don't clash. So it's a lot of work. I'll just let you know. It's not, it's not an easy task. All right. Yes. Yeah. So the agenda goes on at least four days before the, yeah, at least four days before the meeting. But, again, this is still in the works with communications. We're, we're still working on that to figure out what is concise with what the objective is for the county. So it's still in the works, but I, I would say four. Any questions while we're here? Well, I mean, with that, I'm saying thank you all for your time. We appreciate your contribution to these boards and we, we're here to help you all. That's the main thing. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Take care. Thanks. Yeah. I do.