Commission meeting. We're going to begin our invocation is going to be a moment of silence and followed by the pledge so we could all stand. Especially in this week with September 11th I think a moment of silence is appropriate for all those who lost their lives. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Good morning commissioners. Good morning guys. Don and Sarah. Thank you for giving me this opportunity to say the pledge for you guys. I wanted to make sure that we all did understand that this is some hallowed times. September 11th is tomorrow and a little story about myself for September 11th. I was in I believe it was seventh grade when I saw the towers fell. So for me to be 21 years old what's that commissioner? Yes I can't wrap my head around that. I'm sorry. You were seven. I was in seventh grade. Seventh grade. Yeah yeah yeah. Seventh grade. I was and you know the only thing I can remember thinking was uh you know as naive as I was we're gonna have school tomorrow. That was my biggest thing and then 21 the recession hit uh 0809 time frame and got laid off from a job and I thought well military is best option for me. So here I am 21 years old fighting the same war that started when I was in seventh grade. So uh for me it was a very uh significant time as a child growing up in that in that world. Um when I turned 34 I'm 35 now. When I turned 34 I went to uh ground zero. I've never been there before. I've never been to New York City uh but when I did go to ground zero uh I can tell you all if you've ever been I would highly recommend going. It's a very hollowed uh somber site you know uh that uh uh a lot of folks that didn't sign up to fight for their country and die for the country did die for their country. Um so as a veteran as a combat veteran of Afghanistan that that fought during this time frame um it was a very very hollowed somber site. I would highly recommend you guys going if you haven't gone already. Uh it's a big part of my childhood and and uh hopefully uh we'd never ever forget about it. So I appreciate you guys taking the time to uh have a moment of silence and uh again thank you. Thank you very much commissioners. Hold on a minute. Commissioner Campy's having a stroke because you didn't uh say your name for the record. Say your name for the record. Sorry. Jeff Norwood, Martin County Veteran Service Officer. And you're younger than my youngest child. Anyway. That way. Thank you very much commissioners and good luck today. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay our presets today are um 905 public comment uh 10 a.m uh Brightline train station department 3 with the events last night. I think things are different. So um uh 1 30 p.m is article 6 of the land development regulation impact fees uh public hearing number 8. At 2 uh consideration of a resolution encouraging power systems manufacturing to submit an application for an ad valorem tax exemption. That's department number 5. 505 public comment and then uh our exciting um 505 physical year um 24-25 budget uh public hearing uh public hearing number 9. Don't want to miss that. Uh we have no additional items and uh our we have no consent polls and with that I'll take uh a motion to slide on. Oh I'm sorry. It's been you missed the week. I know. Morning Mr. Chairman. Retrade. Thank you for all that. I'm sure I would move uh adoption of the September 10th uh 2024 agenda. Second. Okay. We have a motion and we have a second. All in favor. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Okay uh proclamations. We have constitution week in hunger month awareness. Miss Laura. Good morning commissioners. The week of September 17th through the 23rd is constitution week and September 17th marks the 237th anniversary of the created creation of the constitution of the united states of america by the constitutional convention. In recognition of this occasion the board encourages all citizens to study the constitution and reflect on the privilege of being an american with all the rights and responsibilities that privilege involves. And here to accept we have Kathy McCartney who is regent with the hell patiochi chapter. Good morning. Thank you for the this opportunity and for the proclamation from the martin county board of county commissioners acknowledging september 17th through the 23rd as constitution week. In 1955 the national society of the daughters of the american revolution petitioned congress with a resolution to set aside september the 17th through the 23rd dedicated for the observance of constitution week. The annual celebration was established when signed by law by president dwight d eisenhower on august the 2nd 1956. NSDAR is committed to encouraging study and educating the public about the constitution and the men who framed it. Thank you again for this proclamation on behalf of the nearly 300 members of hal patiochi chapter. We are inviting you to please join us for ringing the bells in celebration of the signing of the constitution on september 17th at 3 30 at the stewart downtown gazebo and you all received a constitution book and a marker inviting you to come to that celebration. And i'd like to present my group that came. Sarah where's your opportunity? I'm actually assembling it. Thank you. You have to do genealogy research in order. So if you're not a daughter you can't. Yeah but i am. I just have to interpret my grandmother's bible. You can't see it on there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And our next proclamation is declaring hunger action month in martin county florida. Hunger and poverty remain issues of grave concern in the united states the state of florida and on the treasure coast with 250,000 children's children adults seniors and veterans experiencing food insecurity on a weekly basis. Martin county is committed to taking steps to raise awareness about the need to combat hunger in every part of our county and to provide additional resources that our residents need. To that end the board is recognizing september as hunger action month in martin county and here to accept we have angela donovan who is a volunteer and she's appearing on behalf of the treasure coast food bank. Hi there. Good morning. My name is angela donovan. On behalf of the treasure coast food bank president and ceo judy cruz our dedicated staff and volunteers and board of directors i would like to thank you for proclaiming september as hunger action month. As a member of the feeding america network of food banks treasure coast food bank is leading the fight against hunger in our community by securing millions of meals and providing them to people facing hunger. We are proud to partner with more than 300 local food pantries, soup kitchens, shelters, and other emergency food providers throughout indian river, st lucie, marin, and okeechobee counties. Throughout the month of september treasure coast food bank will be hosting many events that include the fourth annual outrun hunger 5k, light up orange, and more. For more information on all these events and more please visit our website at stoppunger.org forward slash ham. Thank you again for your continued support in making sure our neighbors have access to the healthy meals and resources they need to thrive. Ms. Woods I see your light on would you? I just was going to bring up for purposes of the agenda Don and I both need to ask something of you. As you all know last night the city of Stewart passed resolutions rescinding their approval of both the amended interlocal agreement with the county as well as their lease agreement with Brightline. Along with that we were notified by Brightline because again this is a three-party situation. Brightline notified me that their agreement to the amended settlement agreement was contingent upon the city agreeing to the or approving both the amended interlocal and the lease agreement. So at this point I'm going to let Don kind of outline what our options are going forward. So the agreement anticipates that three parties essentially participate together to to to complete the project and any two of the members of the agreement can't complete it on their own. So at this point in time our our our ability to proceed fully with the agenda item doesn't make sense given the city's position. However the the the board can take action as to either one withdraw the item and take no action or two you can at least provide staff direction on if there is an interest to continue to negotiate with both the city and Brightline to bring back and see if there is an agreement that can be salvaged. And that would be and we can either discuss that at the time of the agenda or you can we can have that discussion now. Well I think if we're going to take no action we should now to save a lot of people's time that Commissioner Hart. Yeah I'd be in favor of continuing to try to negotiate with Brightline and with the city to see if we can come to an agreement. Commissioner Campy. Having watched the nearly the entire city of Stewart meeting yesterday one of the themes that I continue to hear and having read all the information that people have sent to us both for and against reading social media posts and platforms to me what one of the themes were even from the people that were for the station but opposed to the deal. So even yesterday the conversation was a lot of people that were speaking out in opposition were prefacing their comments even one of the leaders of the opposition if you will said there was a deal that could have been struck that would potentially look no one you're not going to make a deal that makes everyone happy but I think there's a possibility of making a deal that would make a much larger majority happy and so I agree with Commissioner Hurd that I'm not opposed to having our staff continue to have conversations with Brightline continue to have conversations with Stewart administration but our staff can also speak there's two new commissioners that basically got elected on a on Tuesday August 20th and six days later were sitting in their seats as commissioners. It's basically like being shot out of a cannon. So I would recommend that even if our staff spoke to those commissioners to find out what potentially their concerns were. If I was going into a negotiation I would want to know what all of the parties are thinking. I have had some conversations with some folks at Brightline myself in the last several weeks and you know there are other communities that are interested in in the station but I still believe from what I have heard from them that they would still be interested in potentially hearing what a new negotiation would look like. I can't say that we will get to a deal that they would agree to and we could all agree to but I don't think there's any harm in continuing to have that conversation. Commissioner Smith. Mr. Chair. I would for my purposes I would even simplify that further. I would I'm still supportive of moving forward but I would leave the city of Stewart out of it and I would just negotiate directly with Brightline and see what kind of deal would be struck with Brightline. I just there's this will now be the second attempt of having a station in downtown Stewart 10-12 years ago. We had full funding to build transit center and that didn't happen for various reasons and so I think it would be in our best interest if this board is interested in still negotiating with Brightline. I would just deal directly with them and see if we can't put a deal together with Brightline period. Commissioner Hetherington. I too watched the meeting from beginning till and about 11 o'clock last night and the recurring theme was for even the opposition was they wanted a fair deal for the taxpayers so I would withdraw all the items and continue talks with the city because many of the commissioners even those that voted against or voted for rescinding the item said they wanted a fair deal for the taxpayers so I would say let's let's have conversations with the city of Stewart. I also had a conversation with Brightline as of actually yesterday afternoon and this ship has sailed my friends so we can talk about all of it. I want a station in Martin County. We now have a 100 mile an hour train with absolutely no benefit. It's ridiculous. We fought the train. We lost so and by the way the train was here before we were so but it wasn't going 100 miles an hour. I get it but I we can talk to Brightline all we want but unfortunately my personal opinion is if I was a betting man we got very little chance. So with that said now what? Motion. I'll make a motion. You meet him? Okay. Yeah I think you could make a motion to withdraw the item and provide the direction as stated. Okay. Commission. I don't who? Commissioner Campion. Or you want to do it? You want to go? No go ahead. Hearing from my colleagues I would make a motion that we withdraw the item that we ask our staff head by Mr. Donaldson and Ms. Woods and Mr. Stokas who has been involved since the beginning to begin a conversation slash negotiation and to Commissioner Smith's point I would start a conversation with Mr. Mortel and the City of Stewart and if in your discretion you felt like that wasn't going to work I would have our own conversation with Brightline to explore all the options. I hear what Commissioner Jenkins is saying that if he was a betting man he doesn't believe that there's a deal to be had but being you know a positive thinking person putting my you said he positively believes there won't be a deal with that in mind I would think that it it's worthy of a further conversation and so I would start with the City of Stewart if you believe that they're not interested in being partners of a three-legged stool then we'll have to find a different stool. Yeah I on the other hand am confident that we can reach a compromise. I'm almost certain that that a compromise can be found and I hope that it won't be very difficult. What I have noticed is that there's an awful lot of misinformation out there. People are making up numbers that just are pure guesswork. We have a finite budget. The city has a finite budget and for people to you know to triple those those real numbers is is is harmful to us. So I'm confident that we can reach a compromise that we can all be happy to live with. All right. So I'll second your motion. Any other comments? Mr. Donaldson your lights on and you done? We're done. Okay. That's your discretion. I guess we probably should. Do you have direction? I do have direction. I have clear direction. Thank you. Well you got a motion you got to vote on it. Okay. Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Campy seconded by Commissioner Hurd. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. And with that we're going to take public comment. Remember if you decide to speak about an agenda item during general public comment you do not get a second bite at the apple. After two minutes and 45 seconds you'll hear a tone that gives you 15 seconds to wrap up your thoughts. And Mr. you have your thing right? Yes. Thank you Commissioner. So prior to coming to the podium just want to announce to everybody that since we are in election season politicking is prohibited which is defined as advocating the election or defeat of a candidate or for public office either partisan or nonpartisan. This includes the use of words dates signs props and or wearing apparel that convey a message of support for a person or group of persons. Thank you. Okay. With that said we're going to begin with Frank McChrystal. The only reason I know it's that is because I see back there your handwriting is hard. Followed by Mr. Tom Pine. Leading us off Frank McChrystal. Set the tone for the day. Nice and beautiful. Stop it. What an honor to lead off I guess. So much to say but I figured I'd go Biblical. Actually words of my second favorite libtard behind my mom Bruce Springsteen. The Big Muddy. Billy had a mistress down on A and 12th. She was that little something that he did for himself. His own little secret didn't hurt nobody. Come the afternoon he'd take her wading waist deep in the Big Muddy. Waist deep in the Big Muddy. You start out standing but end up crawling. Got in some trouble and needed a hand from a friend of mine. This old friend he had a figure in mind. It was nothing illegal just a little bit funny. He said come on don't tell me the rich don't know. Sooner or later it all comes down to money and you're waist deep in the Big Muddy. Waist deep in the Big Muddy. You start on higher ground but end up crawling. Well I had a friend said you watch what you do. Poison snake bites you and you're poison too. How beautiful the river flows and the birds they sing. But you and I we're messier things. There ain't no one leaving this world buddy without their shirt tail dirty or their hands a little bloody. Waist deep in the Big Muddy. You start on higher ground but end up somehow crawling. Waist deep in the Big Muddy. Thank you. Mr. Pine will be followed by Walter Lloyd. Mr. Pine you're going to be quoting Bruce Springsteen. Good morning commissioners. My name is Tom Pine. I've been a resident of Martin County for over 50 years. Today in the consent agenda this commission will approve $15,015,490.70 which was spent between August 12th and August 25th 2024 without identifying the payees or the purpose of the payments. Here are some of the items I fear that are being hidden in consent agenda. A contract for $1.4 million for improvements at the North Jensen Beach Water Treatment Plant. Construction of a roundabout widening in sidewalks at High Meadows Avenue and Southwest Sun Trail and Palm City at a cost of $694,020.90. This is where democracy goes to die in Martin County's consent agenda. It appears today meetings will be dealt with the Martin County difference. There are enough changes in our cost management plan listed in today's meeting. In real life it would take several meetings to discuss what's slated to be changed. With only a few more meetings left until our new elected commissioners take their seats, I understand the rush. As I'm writing this, I don't know the outcome of the discussion going on in the City of Stewart Commission meeting tonight, but the Brightline train station in downtown Stewart, I feel confident that the majority of our county commissioners sitting here in front of me will do everything in their power to push this over the finish line. No matter how many more in Martin County residents will be negatively affected because of the big business interest at the Martin County Chamber of Commerce always get what they want. Just look around at all the things the taxpayers have paid for to benefit the Martin County Chamber of Commerce. The illegal expansion of runway 1230 of Mountain Mountain County Airport, the mooring fields in downtown Jensen Beach in the Pozzolano area, the special agreement they got to use the Jensen Beach Community Center to see as they see fit. The community center was open in September 2010 at a cost to the taxpayers $1.5 million. These are just a few of the items. It never ends. The Treasure Coast Food Bank, Hospice, the Salvation Army are just three of the many organizations working in Martin County to help feed our residents as the demand has skyrocketed over the past decade. You ask why? Because our local government acts like the taxpayers are their private little piggy bank to do whatever they feel like with our hard-earned money. Our tax dollars should only be used for items that are directly related to the operation of our local government. Thank you for your time. Have a nice day. Mr. Lloyd will be followed by Tammy Mosatha. Thank you, Commissioners. Good to see you. I wanted to start out by thanking the Commissioner of District for her patience and long-suffering and also for calling for a lot more study and diligence in bringing these projects forward. I also agree with her that in this situation, there's probably a lot of misinformation out there, but I would like to note that we seem to get more information from social media and things outside of our local governments. It would be nice if we got more information coming from the local government so that that didn't happen. There wasn't misinformation. I'd also like to ask for us not to allow this deal to go forward with taxpayers footing the majority of the bill or 100% of the bill for a private owned company and that we don't give the rights to any land to be utilized for the benefit of anyone other than the public that currently owns it. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Tammy. No Tammy. Okay. Michael Rafferty. John Michael Rafferty. Followed by Gina Louise Kent. How y'all doing? My name is John Michael Rafferty. I go by Mike. I've lived in Martin County over 60 years. Okay. I've never been in front of the board to ask for any consideration for anything at all. Not on all least 60 some years. All right. Now I am. I have a lady friend of mine. Her husband was 100% disabled veteran. Okay. He passed away and she's asking me for help because I know the system. I'm a disabled vet as well. Okay. And over the years, the last couple of years, when you request a meeting with this nice VSO group of people over here, the veteran service officers, well, let's see what our appointments are for you. Next thing I can get you in is three, maybe four weeks from now. Well, you know, the process to get a claim approved is very intensive. You've got to do a load of paperwork to get a claim through. These nice people over here, and it's not a bit of their fault, are doing everything they can for the veterans, which is about over 15,000 vets that they have to represent, plus all the other loads that are put upon him, like outreach programs that are out there trying to help veterans in the field. I ran into one at the library. But what I'm getting at with her is that she's asked me to help her, and I ran into one of the veteran officers at the library the other day, and he said, well, just go in there and make an appointment for her, Mike. I said, sure, just like I always do. Lady said, well, she said, the first one we've got for you, or her rather, would be the 18th, or you can pick the 24th of October. Now, what she's trying to do is she's trying to get the money to help her redo her life again. She's 59 years old, okay? And I'm like, to me, that's kind of appalling. We should be taking care of these people better, the vets and their families, and I know you guys want to. They need staffing. The VSOs in the state of Florida, and I've had to go myself. I've got an appointment for this lady now up in Vero Beach. I got to take her up there because she can't wait this long. She needs money now. Her state's not settling all these other problems. She's got to move out because her aunt owns the structure she's in, and she's wanting to sell it. So they took her underneath an emergency situation just to help. But me personally, I've had to go to Port St. Lucie to see a VSO in a reasonable time. I've had to go to Okeechobee. I've had to go to Jupiter. I've had to go to West Palm Beach because they're so buried over here. They need help, okay? And I'm asking for it. And if you can, there'd be a lot of people like myself that would appreciate it instead of feeling like you're in a doctor's office line. You've got so long. Come on in and let's go to cover all this difficult-to-prepare information to help get your benefits. Okay? Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Campy. Mr. Donaldson, can you speak to our VSO and find out if he feels that they're understaffed? And if they are, can we bring that forward immediately? There's no reason our vets have to wait. I don't know. I'm sure there's more to the story. But, you know, I hear Mike, and I have had one other person that said it's difficult and it's not their fault. If the demand outweighs the people that we have in the office, then we need to create more people in the office, even if we have to rotate someone from somewhere else to come and do that. I can only state that I know that our reputation of having really good service has gone beyond our borders. So that's certainly our success. And having really skilled staff, I think, has certainly contributed to the demand. Oh, I get that. And I'm not criticizing our staff. I'm saying if they need an extra person, yes, because the level of service is top notch, which obviously creates additional demand. But some of these situations can't wait. And I'm not saying that you hire a new person. I'm saying maybe we could find someone else in the organization. Volunteers. Well, I mean, I don't know how it works. And I apologize for jumping in. But you pushed a button for me that I hear you. So and Mr. Donaldson will help her. You can tell your friend you accomplished something this morning. Thank you kind, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you all. Gina Kent is followed by John. Good morning, commissioners. My name is Gina Kent. I am a town council member from Ocean Breeze. I am here on behalf to speak for the adopt proclamation for the Treasure Coast Christian Alliance Day of Prairie in Martin County. I've been here for 10 years. My mom lived at Sailfish for 30 some years. So I've been coming down here since I was 15. It's such a wonderful area. I mean, it's a jewel. Nobody knows about the Treasure Coast. But a lot of people are coming down as we can see. I think that this would be a good proclamation to adopt, just bring unity. And for all for all religions under God, as we state in the Pledge of Allegiance. So I'm just asking that you favor that proclamation and that it do go through and you do choose a date for Martin County Proclamation Day of Prayer. I think it's a good thing to bring everyone together, regardless their religion. But we're all under God. Okay. Thank you. Followed by Sam Hay. Good morning, commissioners. Good to see you all here looking so fine. My name is John Dye. I'm a Vietnam era veteran and I'm a U.S. Coast Guard license captain and an FAA pilot. So I use all of Martin County's wonderful things. We were just voted one of the best places to retire, right? We all know it's a great place. So I think we need to kind of keep it that way. And I know Brightline's been tabled, but I like to refer to it as not so Brightline because I don't see any economic profit for the county on that. And that's private entity being funded with government dollars and grants. They've lost over $200 million, maybe closer to three, truth be known. It was all about putting tracks in with grant money and bond-free money for tracks, which I'm not against for freight. But like, for example, the marine industry put in $31.6 billion into this state. And in Martin County, it was $130 or $1.35 billion. And we're greatly impacted by the train, the schedules and everything else. But, you know, we had the, you know, let's wait and see. But I think Tom was talking about the common thread is financial responsibility and transparency with all the local government to the people that live here. I just found out last night there's condos going in Port Salerno and somebody handed me this paper, which is about seven pages back and forth with the salaries for everybody that works for the county and said there's a 12% pay raise on the table. I don't know if that's true or not. But if it is, I mean, these are, again, financial responsibilities and transparencies. And that's all I ask is, you know, I think every commissioner here has a job to the people that they work for, because everybody up here is getting paid to be here and we're paying for it. And I run a business and I don't run it at a deficit. And I know your jobs are very difficult. And I've talked to some of you, you know, one on one, and I know you're doing the best you can. But please, the information coming the other way on a very clear agenda would be appreciated. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Sam. Hey, we'll be followed by Terry. Yeah, I'm Sam. Hey, I live in Port Salerno. It's my understanding that on your agenda for today's meeting are several proposals for substantial changes to our comprehensive plan. Considering the history of the current county commission, the prospect of any further changes to the comp plan is unavoidably suspect. The recent election results for both Martin County and the city of Stewart commissions indicate that the majority of us feel we've had more than enough of excessive development. I urge you now to reject any changes which would continue this trend of overdevelopment. Given the unambiguous results of last month's elections, it would be inappropriate for this lame duck commission to make any questionable changes to our comprehensive plan. Because these proposed changes are apparently quite complicated, I believe that at the very least they should be properly presented to the public and that sufficient time be given for full public scrutiny. Any effort to rush through these changes would look a lot like our governor's ham-handed plan to bulldoze a major portion of Jonathan Dickinson's state park to build golf courses. And we know how well that sneaky attempt was received by the people of Martin County. Indeed, the parallels here are striking. In both cases, treasured natural areas are destroyed or degraded with little regard, if any, for the wishes of the community. Wildlife habitat is eliminated. Our already compromised water courses become further contaminated. People lose vital contact with our natural surroundings, and future generations never have the opportunity to enjoy their rightful natural heritage. The obvious question here is who stands to benefit from these changes. In the case of our state park, it's certainly not the endangered Florida scrub jay or the hikers, boaters, and mountain bikers who come to the park to commune with nature. In the case of Martin County, it's not citizens who wish for the opportunity to live in a location unspoiled by nerve-wracking traffic, increased levels of crime, and rampant development. In both cases, we are again faced with the inevitable question of follow the money. Who typically benefits from weakening the comp plan? It's developers who seek to maximize their profits at the expense of our environment and our quality of life. Let's put a halt to this disastrous trend now. Thank you. Terry Kogel is followed by Patricia Good morning, Commissioners. Terry Kogel. Brightline is an unnecessary financial burden on Martin County residents. Why is Martin County being forced to subsidize a wealthy foreign corporation? The majority of Brightline was acquired by Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth company, which is owned by Abu Dhabi government founded in 2018. Has a diversified non-oil portfolio ranging from energy, utilities, food, agriculture, health care, life sciences, real estate, and tourism. The firm claims that it has contributed about 22 percent to Abu Dhabi's non-oil GDP in 2023. Has a net worth of $157 billion. So why are we subsidizing $157 billion foreign company? Are we out of our minds? There is no economic benefit to the Martin County taxpayers from a payment to a private foreign $157 billion corporation. When the funds are derived from the successful completion of the projections, we'll only flow into the coffers of the $157 billion private corporation. It's illusionary and speculative claim that the shops and restaurants in downtown Stewart, which are small, will attract consumers to travel for miles away just to avail themselves to their services at the cost of the Martin County taxpayers. However, despite the limited hypothetical benefits to the downtown businesses, I have no objections for the Brightline building, the Stewart train station, and its parking garage as long as Brightline pays for it. Let the $157 billion owners of Brightline pay for their own business needs. Heck, they can build a thing out of gold. We have to be completely out of our minds or just plain stupid to even consider forcing the taxpayers to pay this. Okay, you say that there's been a lot of misinformation out there. Just do your research on this, and you will find that this is a true statement. Patricia Sawicki is followed by Carol Ann Leonard. Patricia? Here she comes. Good morning. My name is Patricia Sawicki. I live in Stewart, Florida. I had this speech all prepared. I'm not going to read it. I'm going to, I first came to Stewart in the late 80s and early 90s, the downtown area, and it was a tired area. When I moved to Florida finally in 1917, I was amazed how it had changed, and it changed beautifully. The downtown area pulled itself up by bootstraps, and that is from the hard work of the businesses, the county, and the city for that to happen. And it is that strength, that beauty, that is the shining star of what I believe Florida. The deal with Brightline is a business deal. And with every business deal, they run negotiations. The deal that we were addressed with yesterday and today was not a good deal. And there were many, several people who spoke up and wanted a different deal. I am not opposed to the Brightline train coming into Stewart. I'm just opposed to the deal as it has been presented to us. We need to renegotiate the deal. And if Brightline chooses to bypass the shining star of the state of Florida, that's their business decision and possibly their loss. As to the shopkeepers that are in Stewart right now, in downtown Stewart right now, it is their strength that will be bypassed by the trains as it goes past us at 100 miles an hour. Thank you. Thank you. I'm curious. I wanted to talk about Brightline now. You want the microphone? At public speaking, I wanted to speak about two other items that are different. Is that okay? I'm sorry, I missed what you did. Anyway, if you need, you need to come up here. Yeah. And then I want to speak. Well, Brightline, I believe we're done talking. We're, we're taking that off the agenda. I thought you were talking about Brightline now. We already voted on Brightline. Public comment now. You can talk, you can do it in public comment. This is public comment. Okay. Anyway, Ms. Leonard to be followed by Mr. Wins, Chuck Wins. Good morning. I oppose, um, I oppose agenda item DPQJ-1, the development of 98 single family homes at Canter Highway and Lost River Road. That area and all of Canter Highway are highly congested already. The approved mega developments along Bridge Road will be using Canter as well as the approved developments west of I-95 by Canter. Secondly, literally for years, the public and the environmental groups have been writing and speaking their comments to the Martin County Board of County Commissioners. We oppose the excessive overdevelopment, especially those outside the urban service boundaries, USBs. We don't want continual expansion of the rural lifestyle acres. We want few and only beneficial changes to the comprehensive plan. There are many other concerns, too many to list here. The people have spoken regarding the EAR survey and in the last BOCC election, surely you can see what we want for Martin County. I hope that the commissioners who are leaving and those that remain will do the honorable thing, do what we, the majority of the people want. Don't try to rush through all the things that we, the people oppose. It's your legacy. As far as Brightline, I wrote my comments to you already. I'm in support of it. I would think you can find the means to fund it without raising our taxes. We need a parking garage now. Why not use it for the train station? And I don't. So that's my comment. Thank you. Mr. Wynn will be followed by Judith Farley. Morning. Good morning. My name is Chuck Wynn. I live in North River Shores. My comments are directed to the Brightline station issue. I don't have a problem with a renegotiated agreement that's limited to a station constructed at a reasonable cost per square foot in a parking garage. Brightline must also share not less than one third of the costs. This must also not be the cornerstone of a long range sustainable development plan for transforming Martin County into an urbanized transit oriented community. Since your August 27th meeting, even more information has surfaced revealing previously hidden features in the severely flawed process that the city followed in developing their proposal. Again, thanks to Mrs. K. Singh Ramallan's persistent efforts, we also have a clearer picture of the excessively leveraged financial condition of Brightline, the foreign owned corporation who would be your partner. The transit oriented development pieces were also very well camouflaged. Under no circumstances should the county deed parcels of land with development rights that exceed requirements for a station parking and possibly an overhead walkway. The current agreement is the centerpiece of a plan for a transit oriented community. It is not just a transit stop with a parking garage for a commuter rail system. Last May, this foreign or this foreign owned company reverted to its original business plan of shuttles between Orlando and Miami by ending South Florida commuter discounts. Over the years, Brightline has consistently failed at running profitable passenger rail operations. The current plan gives Brightline immediately development rights on over two acres and also gives them the right to acquire three more acres south of Monterey Avenue once they are remediated. I'm assuming that they're anticipating this will be done at taxpayer expense. The one profitable Brightline operation over the years has been selling buildings on land that they obtain the exclusive development rights of under similar private public partnership agreements elsewhere. Throughout this process, federal grants have been repeatedly emphasized as sources of funding, but none have materialized to date. This is a great leap backwards to that HUD-driven 750 plan that our County Commission wisely withdrew from 11 years ago. Do it right this time. David Farley will be followed by Steven Mattalli. Good morning, Commissioners. My name is Judith Farley. My husband, Chris, and I are the owners of a a boutique in the heart of downtown Stewart for 12 years now and our longtime residents of the city of Stewart so nervous sorry as a boutique owner trying to make this yellow shirt fashionable is quite difficult this morning after only four hours of sleep um I want to thank you um for your service I know it's not not easy to um hold your positions that you do and I respect um what you said earlier about going before the um bright line in the city of Stewart and trying to negotiate um I guess I'm here to ask you to try to redeem what happened last night for our city to restore some hope that we will get a beautiful station downtown um the staff of the city of Stewart put together an excellent presentation last night that I believe really answered a lot of questions and dispelled a lot of the concern rightful concern um I do believe we should carefully consider and get the best deals possible but to rescind last night was I feel an irresponsible decision that did not represent the majority of the constituents in Stewart it was very disheartening um even the behavior of a certain commissioner was just so disheartening to see our mayor disrespected um I just wish that that could be addressed and maybe prevented in the future um our mayor's done so much for our community um so I want to thank you for all acting so um professional today and respectful with each other and to us it means a lot thank you for professionalism and um I just want to say thank you for that and I hope that you do um restore our reputation um we are a bright spot on the Treasure Coast we're a bright spot in Florida and um I look forward to hopefully getting a train station thank you so much thank you Steve will be followed by Sherry Lee good morning commissioners my name is Stephen Vitale I live in Sewell's Point I've lived in Martin County for almost 22 years I own the own the old Colorado Wynn Hotel in downtown Stewart I'm a I used to sit on the tourism the Martin County Tourism Board for several years there is a lot of support for this station for several reasons first of all the lifestyle benefits they're obvious I don't need to repeat them secondly the enhancement to our tourist based economy which is so important there is approximately a thousand people that supported the support bright line uh Facebook page and there were almost 250 letters that were sent to the city of Stewart Commission the overwhelming majority of them in favor of the station last night at the meeting the overwhelming majority of people who attended were in strong favor of this station I don't know if any of you saw the meeting last night but it truly was an embarrassment to our city the way that some of the commissioners conducted themselves was disgraceful in my opinion and I appreciate the way you were all conducting yourselves up here and always do and we need you to rescue our reputation after the debacle last night last night the interlocal agreement between Martin County and Martin County and the city did survive that gives you leverage because it requires the city to spend 30 million dollars on a parking garage to accept the land and to lease it to the city so now you have the power to have the power to do the right thing for our county and save this train station because everybody knows to have this going by blowing its horn hundreds of times a day without the benefit of the station would be criminal absolutely criminal and the chance will never come again please do the right thing and save this station thank you for your time thank you and I am told that my can you hear me it is on okay people have been texting me they can't hear me anyway uh sherry lee followed by steve adams good morning commissioners thank you for being here I appreciate your vote to renegotiate this I was at the meeting last night up very late extremely disappointed in the proceedings I think procedure wasn't followed there was a lot of disrespect it felt very chaotic I'm in the city and in the CRA for 12 years so I own a couple of businesses in the CRA downtown I own property I'm invested in that CRA that's my money that people are talking about I feel that they're ill-informed um I did learn last night that the county spends 30 million dollars a year maintaining our roads I don't know what you spend to build new ones but I feel that maybe you could speak a little bit about that today and continue to educate people that are so worried about the money the money's already there for this that CRA has been collecting money from me for uh that since I've owned my building downtown um I was polled many years ago about this train and I know from being in Palm Beach County when tri-rail started up down there these are multi-regional projects and they're going to happen and you can either get in line and be part of it or you're going to get left behind our community needs to be connected to the huge population that's down south the growth is already here uh the growth is already north of us people started coming from California and the other coast during COVID that growth is already here and I know you've had a very difficult time managing that growth because people are screaming for affordable housing and the minute you put up a bunch of affordable housing they go they go crazy um so I know it's a difficult job I appreciate um Doug Smith you saying let's just take this over as a county project I think that's an interesting angle I hope that the city was being genuine when they said they would want to renegotiate I'm not sure that's true but Brightline is a gift and a blessing to our community how it would connect us to the hospitals the stadiums the airports the seaports north and south of us our friends and family north and south of us and it's not for us for now it's for our future it's for our kids and their kids they're going to be using this train for generations to come uh I appreciate your vote and I'm going to be following this very closely please talk about that 30 million a year for maintaining our roads I think that's very interesting information thank you okay Steve Adams is followed by wow Nikki Vonvato I don't know she's sitting in the front with a hat on good morning commissioners oh there she is I can't see you thank you for being here thank you for allowing me to speak uh I'm new here to Palm City two and a half years with my mom I retired good for you thank you I take care of her she takes care of me and um because I'm new here uh I found out from a lot of Martin County long-term residents that I'm one of the hated people because I'm new um that makes me feel wonderful uh but I come from South Jersey where I'm a retired police officer patrol sergeant and a lot of people hated me for that so it really doesn't matter not if you're from Jersey the problem where I come from is it's overdeveloped beyond belief you can reach out and touch your neighbor and shake his hand the houses are so close it'll never be the same because that's where I grew up it'll never be the same and there's a lot of residents here that say the same thing Martin County is not going to be the same I plead with you to slow things down big time um and I also with that being said I do like the Brightline station but I absolutely oppose the way it's going to be funded and I feel for the businesses in Stewart um but I feel their attention is misdirected because Brightline switched out the deal it was supposed to be 50 percent 50 50 and they changed it so it's not the city of Stewart that is making a bad deal they're looking to make a better deal and I hope you guys can make a deal if you can't you can't but I don't want it coming out of my pocket they're a multi-billion dollar company they should be paying their own way and that's how I feel because haters of Martin County who don't like me are all working today because they're struggling with bills and they're struggling with our out of control inflation and maybe that's a problem too so thank you very much appreciate your time okay um Miss Van Vano will be followed by Michael Don welcome home it's nice to see everyone good morning I'm Nikki Van Vano and I'm a retired um county bureaucrat uh and so um I did go to the city of Stewart meeting last night and but that's not really why I came to talk to you I basically came to tell you irregardless of what anybody says I love you all I think you do a great job I'm so proud of you and and I just really appreciate you and I wanted to tell you about George Washington and Lafayette because their friendship saved this country and we should remember that that friendship is what binds us we are all the same we are all the same and that should be our mantra we should stop talking about color because quite frankly all the shades are blending in to make a universal construct so read your history appreciate what George Washington did for our country he saved our democracy and and and and that's what needs to be foremost in our minds I told you before I love it when you have a room full of people in here screaming at you because it shows people that we know how to practice democracy democracy and so thank you for your service I'd like to thank that that police officer who was just here I thought I would burst into tears when he was talking about how everybody hates him I do not hate him I applaud his service and his dedication and I want him to know I love him even if he is from New Jersey and thank you all thank you Nikki Michael Don will be followed by our last speaker form Janet Riley apparently not our last speaker form morning commissioners my name is Michael Don Mickey's my nickname so um I got to speak before the commission last night and um I just want to say that um I was very disappointed in the manner in which the people were treated um it was disrespectful um and um I've been to my wife and I both retired from Miami-Dade Fire Rescue as firefighter paramedics and so we've been up in Stewart and Martin County for the last 25 years we built the house in the city of Stewart and when we heard that the bright line was going to be here we were very thrilled that not that we we we opposed it originally of course we didn't want it to come through our city but once it was here the fact that we could get a station um what was really a benefit to all of the citizens I believe in Martin County and I had an opportunity to ride the bright line and I would tell you it was it was a great experience the worst part of the whole thing was though I had to drive 50 miles to get there now I only have to go two miles I don't have to leave my car at the station um it's it's a great benefit for us and I believe that majority of the citizens in this county believe that they need that that for them there were a number of people uh last night that um have to travel down to medical facilities in Miami Fort Lauderdale Palm Beach and this would be an opportunity for them not to have to drive um the fact that it's going to be going to uh the Tampa area also is important and as I I mentioned last night um you know prior to the city elections my mailbox every day was filled with all the things that the new commissioners that were elected uh promised to do but the one thing that they omitted was abolishing the bright line station they didn't bring that up and the reason they didn't bring it up because they wouldn't have been sitting there last night had they brought it up I believe the voters in this county would overwhelmingly vote in favor of having the station uh and stops in Martin County so uh whatever you folks can do I would certainly appreciate uh that and I think that the majority of the citizens of Martin and Stewart would also benefit from that thank you very much thank you Janet Riley followed by duet duet price and again that's my last speaker for morning commissioners thank you so much for allowing us to voice our opinions all right there has been so much manipulation deception and abysmal negotiations causing both a financial and safety burden to the taxpayers of this community when it comes to bright line future decisions regarding bright line should not and cannot be made with predominantly bright line business owners and politicians in mind bright line has been a worthy opponent but it's time the commissioners stand with their constituents and rescind the lease all the lease agreements and um the leases bright line has and will continue to defend their financial and physical encroachment into Martin County our job as citizens of this community is to stand firm and not be taken advantage of by bright line aka florida east coast industries itself a subsidiary of the fortress investment group group which is in turn a subsidiary of mubadala investment group and emirati state sovereign wealth fund you see bright line is not actually a rail company it is a branch of a larger property speculation company yes and none of these folks live here let me address the safety issue from the start of operation bright line fatally struck 110 people at one death per 32 000 train miles this is by far the highest rate of fatality in the united states when it comes to rail to compare the overall u.s train faculty fatality rate was 1.4 per 1 million miles in 2017 and as one journalist reported and i quote according to bright line these tragedies are always the fault of the person crossing lovely folks wouldn't you say it's just business to bright line sheriff william snyder who always has been this community's has had this community's best interest in mind has been opposed to bright line from the inception in february 23 he said and i quote that bright line train will be a clear and present danger to our drivers with the amount of people driving across these tracks and the backups that occur naturally across the tracks it's only a matter of time before we have the same exact thing happen here and he was referring to the fatalities fatalities that occurred in south florida in delray and he further stated money always carries the day the drivers of martin connie are going to suffer for it it's only a matter of time before we have our own fatalities here and he was right there has been 10 train incidents on the treasure coast since 2023 am i do and five injured and this is really rich in march 2024 bright line sought tax dollars again to fund fencing and other safety upgrades bright line is a private venture madam your time is up thank you i think crime is a big issue ma'am your time's up thank you uh mr prince is followed by christine price is followed by um christine dawn and tammy i'll get you i got you right uh good morning um commission my name is duet price i am actually property owner business in the city in the county and in the city and i also live over in souls point um you know i i i'm sitting here and i listen to the the the various statistics that were just being thrown out and i look at the information that's being broadcast or being told you know last night i learned at a commission that it's all from social media so i guess you know what i feel is that as a board hopefully we are actually looking at real professional information and gathering info from folks that know what they're talking about not just looking at keyboard warriors um i've lived here for the last 15 years i i actually work in a lot of the municipalities that i forgot the bright line stations i've sat in different boards as bright line has been trying to figure this out through well from southeast florida all the way from miami all the way up to orlando um this is not something that is coming it's already here uh the benefit to the community is large my kids that have grown born and grown up here i'd hope for them to be able to have the ability just like me to be going to these different areas to work and being able to live here that's my hope i've invested heavily here in order to help create the the economy that works i think that proper development yes there's a way to slow things down there's a way to do proper development but there's a way to also create an economic engine to have our kids come back everyone has heard i come up here it's like oh people can't be here because they're working guess what you're right but we also have a lot of younger folks that would like to be here or stay here and i'd like my kids to come back we're not all retirees at some day i will but i'd like for my kids to be able to be here to help take care of me not going somewhere else and then worrying about how do they get back do i jump on a train deal with the traffic for two three hours i want to make it as easy as possible for them so i think that the idea of going back and renegotiating and looking at how this would work directly at bright line that's an option there's definitely a lot of different options tod is the way to go to help create the benefit from traffic reduction you know yeah the the i hear crime as a statistic i'm like okay so you know what yes it's going to bring crime everyone complains about the ticket prices being too high but yeah a criminal is going to pay 200 bucks whatever they're quoting last night to come up here to commit crime i don't see that happening so we need to keep everything in check and really think about the facts um costs listen i do this every day everyone when they look at costs it's a speculation they make a conservative review until you really get plans and really get down to the nitty-gritty you really will figure out what it will cost thanks christine christine don followed by tammy mazzo and just mazota mazota just say what the proper prediction yes ma'am good morning commissioners my name is christie don and my husband as he just stated that we are both retired miami-dade firefighter paramedics who moved here about 25 years ago obviously i am dressed like bright line i am yellow from head to toe and i completely supported and i can tell you that in the beginning i obviously was extremely against it i was did not felt that the train needed to go through all of our communities historically the state voted twice to have a high speed rail and it was supposed to be out west where it wouldn't have gone through our towns however that deal was done and given back by one of our previous governors so there is a history that the state of florida has voted its residents have voted for for railroad i've traveled around the world my dad worked for pan american there is not a country around except maybe the united states that doesn't have rail system to help people get from place to place you can't go anywhere in florida without a car we had a station we thought a deal was done i same as my husband felt like last night the commission uh the new commissioners were extremely disrespectful uh that was a whole i was quite surprised and shocked how things went down last night and it's very sad to me that things have been turned down when the deal had already been made and i please implore you to please do whatever you can to save the station to have a train go through here every day disrupting our traffic and our fire rescue services and our boating and our life in general without stopping here so that we can benefit from it to go north and south without having to drive 50 miles to get the train going south and god forbid this train goes to fort pierce because i wouldn't leave my car in fort pierce and to take the train and you're laughing but it's true how many of you would leave your car in fort pierce right now at a train station and as my husband said we are literally two miles we would uber to the station we wouldn't be leaving our car but look at all the benefit that it would create for this community as the businesses have said as other people have stated but i'm looking at it as a big picture that we need transportation that isn't just a car we need to come to the 2024 um and i'll give you i'm 67 years old when i was 17 so 50 years ago i was in japan for thanksgiving literally about you know i mean seriously i took a bullet train from tokyo to kyoto 50 years ago think about it thank you tammy is going to properly pronounce her last name when she gets to the thank you tammy mazota just like it's spelled i actually put in two slips to address two things the first one i'm going to bring up is actually the very last it's department five okay so you have another card for that i do should i do both at the same time so you can't do you can't speak at it again when the item comes up so if you want to speak now and forever hold your peace you can all right i'll do a little bright line piece then i mean it doesn't matter to me i just have the two things to say and that's it so um everyone's on the bright line and i can't tell you anything that you don't already know we know this and as far as um numbers being wrong and misinformation being passed through there's a big reason for that and it's a lot of it is transparency and communication we don't have enough transparency we don't have enough communication so everyone can be on the same page and any choice that you make you are going to get it from the rear and no one's going to be happy either way but i just want to let you know that i have confidence in all of you to come through with the proper decisions for the train station i'm not against it but i'm not for the deal as everybody's already said we got a bad deal going on so um i do have confidence in you people may not agree with me but i do i really do have faith in the commissioners whether it be the city or the county and i think the right thing's going to happen and i thank you very much for all your patience with everyone and for working under this stress in making decisions for us okay that's it thank you so okay um and with that that was our last uh public speaking form so we're going to go to commissioner comments commissioner spout thank you mr chairman um to the folks that commented uh this morning relative to bright line and relative to transparency information and so on uh i know i worked really hard with staff this prior week uh and bright line quite frankly to make sure that um in the agenda item we would have had today there would have been a tremendous amount of clarity as to what is and what isn't at least from what we understand what we know and what our professional staff would have presented so um hopefully that will happen in the future um because there is a lot of information and there's a lot of fact at least as i understand fact and probably the rest of our board does um so that should be coming in the future regardless of where we end up um with the negotiations uh to the gentleman firefighter or police department i guess police you said from south jersey um my family half my family was from south jersey um what exit way south jersey like real south jersey not middle jersey south jersey um i don't think south jersey at least for my family was from has changed that much other than the shore has changed tremendously for those of you know ocean city new jersey what it was when i was a kid was nothing like it is today and that's a shame but we are not that and and i don't think we will ever be that here um i think that's it i'm i'm happy i'm i'm glad the merchants have come forward thank you for for doing that thank you for taking the time to come back out again today from stewart um there's a lot more discussion to be had um i think it's important that if we do end up moving in that direction um that it is it is good for downtown stewart and i think it will be important um i understand it has to be done right and i suspect the rest of our board feels exactly the same um so i i wish our staff the very best in working through whatever those issues may be um also too um we had our 16 county coalition meeting last friday uh a really good meeting there'll be a transition relative to the 16 county coalition but i think the next 25 years relative to lake okeechobee restoration water policy uh what i think what i consider what i call all things water uh policy has a really bright future you have a great group of people uh that work on our behalf work with us both the core both the water management district and and certainly the 16 counties that make up that board i have worked very very hard um to make sure that we stay focused on our top three or four priorities which we continue to do uh i'm sorry to see carson turno leave probably most of you in the room don't know who carson is but carson absolutely will have left a legacy relative to the 16 county coalition there is no one i don't think amongst that group of people that worked harder tried harder uh to be consistent and keep things moving relative to all things water in south florida than carson and so carson if you ever get a chance to hear this thank you for all your service and um he's retiring um but he's on to bigger and better things and i feel that we will see his footprint again so thank you all very much thank you thank you commissioner hetherington i have a couple things but the theme of conversation this morning seems to be communication and it's we've all talked about it up here we've wrangled our head and and and said we have to do a better job communicating out of this building but i think we've tried just about everything we've tried you know youtube social media press releases workshops and i'm a communication person at heart and i think that the county strives to have transparency and communicate and it is just so frustrating to hear still that you know that people think that we're not communicating and i want to do the best job so to communicate with our public uh so i'm all years part of the problem is so many people get their misinformation on social media and it just fuels a fire and it's really hard to put that out but i think that we double down and do as much communication as we can and i heard something yesterday and and i tried to stay off of social media now because it becomes so toxic i get an email on my personal email from next door which you know i i never cared to see people bash businesses because their hamburger was undercooked and that's a lot of that and it said that the county's taking up these agenda items and they've really had these are the the ear amendments that they've really had no um public comment and they're rushing them through and i mean we'll hear those items later but i feel like we've been talking with these about a year and a half possibly and i'm watching this commentary saying show up they're going to cram these things through and i i always want to hear the comments if you have a comment on the agenda item please by all means but please do not say that they're we're trying to cram things through when they've been talked about a year and a half or more um i also saw online that you were resigning oh really yes so but clearly you you you have you have chosen not to run for re-election so again the misinformation and i i hope that we can do whatever we can do to continue to communicate with our public and and know that that we have the most transparency out there it's frustrating but we'll continue to to work on our communication second of all i hope many of you and i'm sure commissioner campy will mention this the bridge walk tomorrow we will be honoring uh september 11th and we will be having a bridge walk um from the on the veterans memorial bridge from commissioner campy's district to my district and back and i hope you will all join us it starts at jock layton park correct and um what time is it commissioner 8 30 a.m 8 30 a.m and we value our first responders both those who um put their life in harm's way that day and those who do it every day um in our community so hope you'll join us for that and i think that was my last comment we have a bridge too that goes to my 96th street right we could walk that one we might get killed on it but yeah go ahead go ahead me yeah uh thank you very much um first off thanks for all the folks that came out this morning to participate in the process i really appreciate it uh like i said i watched the meeting i see some of you spoke very late last night and are here this morning um that's how the system is supposed to work and we appreciate it i do like when people wear colors based on their position we should adopt that for everything where people can come in wearing like jerseys so we have a better understanding of as they're coming forward what their their issue is uh on a much more serious note i would say that as commissioner hetherington mentioned um we've done uh we are continuing to try to do um all we can to never forget september 11th is tomorrow uh i think it's you know um it becomes more of an adult remembrance uh i had the sad uh experience of being in new york city on september 11th uh watched the towers fall down probably lost 15 or 20 people that i knew from my neighborhood in law enforcement fire rescue kids i went to school with people i rode the train with um all three of my brother-in-laws were new york city police officers not there that day but there for weeks and months afterwards dealing with the aftermath of 9-11 by the grace of god the three of them have remained healthy but many many people that they know died after the fact from 9-11 related diseases because they were heroes and they rushed there later that day and worked on what they called the pile or ground zero for months and months and months afterwards and a lot of them knew what they were inhaling and what they were dealing with and sifting through was obviously not um healthy but they did it anyway so for as us for us as a society even though it's two decades later to somehow forget um is is a crime and so we are having events in the morning there are events all over the treasure coast but here in martin county as commissioner hetherington mentioned we're having a martin county fire rescue department is having a bridge road bridge walk with their personnel um at 8 30 a.m and at jocklaton park which is the park diagonally across from the palm city post office at the corner of map road and martin highway there's a skate park in the front there you'd park there you could walk over if walking all over the all the way over the bridge to canner is too much you can walk to the top of the bridge you could stay in the parking lot and participate it's a solemn event for those people that like to get up and get their day started early one thing i was very happy to hear about is that the schools are allowing students that wish to participate the opportunity to participate as well as you know obviously be late for school in the evening it's 7 p.m at the peter and julie cummings library which is martin downs boulevard and matheson for many years we have had a very solemn event there martin county high school opus singers are there people that participated that day or or had loved ones that were killed that day give their personal experiences dennis mckenna who is a friend of mine has been working passionately about this issue since it happened he is constantly the person that sort of spearheads this for us and i know sometimes he can be a bulldog but he's a bulldog for the right reasons we also have you can see it there tomorrow but you can see it at any port at any point we have a very large portion of structure from the world trade center and what i every time i look at it and i think you would as well is you can sense the sheer devastation the violence of those of those crashes into this structure because we have a tremendously large i-beam and it has little flanges that come off of it that look like they were tinfoil crumpled like tinfoil um and that just helps us to not forget because you know the way that society seems to be going currently it i don't think anybody would be totally shocked if something terrible happened again but part of that diligence is that you can't forget the things that happened as well as the fact that how many people joined the military immediately following it that was their motivation to join the military and we've had thousands of our men and women killed protecting us a lot of them were inspired or motivated to protect and defend our country because of what happened that day so it ripples across the generations uh i would tell you my own son uh was may june july august september four months old when 9-11 happened and uh he's currently serving in in corpus christi texas in the navy and he would tell you that one of his motivations obviously he doesn't have a memory of that day but he has a lifetime of memories of how we how we remembered it so i thank you for the time thank you commissioner heard yeah the army corps of engineers and the florida department of environmental protection may once again be considering an application to dredge the river watch conservation easement in jensen beach on hutchinson island it's a um uh very important habitat uh there are are seagrass beds there there are mangrove forests there there there that will be threatened by this uh proposed dredging um this property it's a 12 acre easement and it has a conservation easement in perpetuity uh it was established in 1991 and re-established in uh 2003 um no need for maintenance dredging has been demonstrated in fact the dep has noted that sufficient navigability of the flushing channel currently exists so i would ask that we oppose this dredging permit it's also a a top priority of our own hippie community and by hippie i mean the hutchinson island preservation initiative so i would ask that we support the hippie uh group and oppose this dredging this is the first time hearing of these specific issues not that i don't believe that commissioner hurd is giving us the information i appreciate the fact that hippie is involved but if you want to maybe do something and come back later today and give us a little update on it i'm sure if there's a if there's a request for dredging i'd like to hear what that request for dredging was even though i i know you delve into the issues so i'm not opposed to writing a letter saying that we don't think it's necessary but i don't have enough facts right at this moment come back to us later in the day okay we'll see what we can do that'd be good and also um i just wanted to to say that we're uh very very pleased in port salerno last week a long-awaited business opened it's gilbert's cap coffee bar uh there's currently one downtown by the the sailor returns and they repurposed an old failing building and redeveloped it and it's beautiful they've done a fantastic job so i want to welcome that that uh terrific business into downtown port salerno that's exactly how redevelopment is supposed to work this morning's meeting brought to you by gilbert's coffee bar it is all right um my comment is um i attended the 16 county coalition meeting um as the send-off of commissioner smith and carson um i can tell you you will be sorely missed for all your hard work over these years um you know and i'm sure that applies to everything you've done with uh florida association of counties and everything else so i just uh it was a moving um tribute um yes and i'm gonna go outside my comfort zone here and i'm gonna say i watch the city of stewart meeting last night i've been sitting on this board for eight years and we have had some pretty serious disagreements right and we've always we've always treated each other with respect and decorum i'm gonna say it right now what i saw last night city of stewart citizens of city of stewart should have a huge problem with the way whichever side of that issue you were on should have a huge problem in the way that meeting was conducted last night and the total disrespect again both sides right um those elected officials should uh anyway i'm gonna leave it at that i i i am very thankful that the five of us uh and ed building before um you stacy um we always um no matter we could have been on complete opposite ends of the spectrum but at least we showed each other respect and um and and i do thank you for that and and uh anyway um i did have something else to say which has left me so anyway can you yes update us on the station your station so the station um the moving of the train station not a bright line station by the way um it is um the original it was it is going to be yellow it was the original color was yellow we actually found the yellow uh up in the rafters um the um historic train station uh was supposed to be moved last month uh for a number of different reasons that did not happen it is scheduled to move on the 15th um the problem now is at&t is on strike so we need at&t the mover needs at&t and florida power and light to drop the lines there's i think somebody said there's 14 different lines that have to be dropped altered picked up or whatever for it to get to its current uh from its current location to um the site the site the foundation is poured and in the ground and ready to accept um the train station so again um scheduled for the 15th sunday um if something happens with at&t between now and then if not it'll be pushed off again which is um which is a shame is it going to be early in the morning again yeah 5 a.m or something like 5 to 5 30 is what um brownie said they would be turning the corner at harry's so um but uh breakfast that was the whole idea but this is like the third shot so we all don't have a lot of faith that it's actually going to happen because harry was going to do a little thing but uh thank you for that anyway so um and that's it uh mr social media will say commissioner jenkins confirms yeah the train station will be opened in hope sound yes yeah no doubt it's going to be yellow and it's going to be yellow yeah thank you thank you commissioners i do have uh an item to discuss there we have a a noted uh martin county um native uh city of stewart native alan gilbert passed away and they had a celebration for him this uh this last saturday at the uh port salerno uh church of god and it was really quite a moving ceremony the city of stewart um adopted a prop proclamation for alan gilbert uh and he uh born city of stewart was in the first uh graduating class after segregation uh from martin county high school um but in any event i did not know him um personally before that uh service but at the end of it i certainly knew knew him felt uh he was he was certainly a noted uh leader in our community and deserving of all the accolades that were bestowed upon him what i'm requesting of you all is that we could also draft a resolution in support of mr gilbert who was 78 years old um middle school band teacher uh all that time uh anyway a lot of noted things and i would bring that resolution back at the end of the day for you all to adopt if that's something you all would support proclamation approval of proclamation second thank you he also taught at hidden oaks middle school as the band director and taught over 8 000 students to play an instrument yes many of them came back from around the country a motion by commissioner heard second by commissioner heatherton all in favor aye all opposed motion carries unanimously we are going to take our 10 30 break 10 minutes late see you in 10 minutes uh welcome back to our september 10th continuation of our commission meeting we are now at um board and committee appointments miss donna gordon donna gordon in administration this is one of the two at-large positions on the board of zoning adjustment and mr brian mckale received three votes i'll move brian mckale second yes thank you um i'm gonna be magnanimous okay motion by commissioner hetherington seconded by commissioner campi all in favor aye all opposed motion carries unanimously public hearing number one legislative public hearing to consider transmittal of evaluation and appraisal report ear based comprehensive plan amendment 24-03 intergovernmental coordination element and text amendment mr doolin good morning members of the board uh with me is stephanie with the treasure coast regional planning council and she will be assisting in the presentation of the first four uh plan amendments that we will present to you but before we launch into the uh the first of those amendments i'd like to make um give provide some background information for the board and for the community watching um this process started uh back in 2023 uh we were required uh that is the county was required to provide a letter to the uh state plan planning agency uh and it was due december 1 2023 notifying the state planning agency whether or not martin county would be doing amendments to the comprehensive growth management plan uh every seven years that's what we're required to do this is the fourth time in the history of martin county that we have done evaluate an evaluation appraisal report and then done comprehensive plan amendments that followed the evaluation appraisal report so there's nothing new nothing unusual about this uh they received the letter from martin county on november 27 2023 and they gave us this response letter from the florida department of commerce noting that we must that our plan amendments based on our evaluation appraisal should be transmitted to the department by november 27 2024 and that is the reason why we are scheduling these hearings and presentations for the board as you may also note in bold underlined text in this letter they note that florida statute requires the updates to the required amendments and optional amendments must be processed in the same plan amendment cycle and that's why you will see them all on the october 22 agenda together because we are required to send them all together up to the state before the end but november 27 um these now the ear was a a review that was done uh earlier this year was finished earlier this year adopted by the board the second part of it is the amendments and the amendments go through three public hearings they all go to the local planning agency and they've been stretched out over the summer the local planning agency has been looking at them and is still finishing the last few chapters and then the transmittal starts today but we're not going to ask you to take action on any of these items we'll only ask you to continue them to the october 22 date and then they will all go to tallahassee and be evaluated for 60 days by the state agencies and by surrounding communities and then they will all come back and they will for final adoption next year probably not till february of next year so this is by no means a quick process uh it's been stretched out from 2023 on through till 2025 and i just wanted to provide that context and that background information for everybody's uh knowledge and with that we can uh we'll move into public hearing number one and uh the intergovernmental coordination element and i'll turn it over to stephanie good morning do i have to yeah you're on no you're on okay good morning uh stephanie height i'm the deputy executive director of the treasure coast regional planning council uh we were um tasked with doing just four of your different chapters um for this ear review process uh the first being the intergovernmental coordination uh many of these changes are just housekeeping in nature um things such as updating the names of different agencies such as um including the village of indiantown now since they've been incorporated since the last year process um dates of different in our local agreements um and then as far as the goals and objectives and policies um table three was updated that's the coordinating entities so there were some different names that we needed to put in their agency changes um section three to b coordinating mechanisms have been revised to reference the treasure coast transportation council which coordinates regional planning with the st lucie and indian river counties and then also the membership of the um makeup of the board of the mpl uh policy board was changed um references to the county's agreement with the waste management related related to solid waste disposal policy 3.1 a.4 is updated to reflect the renaming of engineering department of public works uh policy 3.1 e.4 coordination on utility services is revised to reference the changes in the name of the indiantown uh utilities company and then also um to address the expiration of a date of an interlocal agreement with the town of jupiter and then policy 3.1 j.3 provision of technical memorandums to the school board is revised to reflect current statutory requirements on population projections so very very small minor changes need to be made and um just more housekeeping in nature we did work with county staff on this the mpo staff and then reached out to those other boards to uh to make sure that all those agency names are now correct and so i'm available for questions uh one more thing i would like to add is the local planning agency considered this amendment and voted 4-0 in approval of the proposed changes on june 20. mr hurt yeah i'm on page 6 of 17 and it's about the makeup of the mpo and that has been changed to all five county commissioners i believe that was a change that was made within the mpo made that change we are not doing this change we're just updating your complaint to make sure it's consistent i'm just saying i'm just saying this is incorrect it's all five county commissioners are now going to be serving on the mpo okay wasn't that just approved by the governor and the cabinet just like two weeks ago something okay so it's very recent yeah a couple minutes so i will make a note that we'll go ahead and update that to say all five county commissioners will be included and then i'm on page 13 of 17 under policy uh 3.1 e4 and it's about the um coordination of utility services between martin county the city of stewart village of indiantown and jupiter island and it says this interlocal agreement expires in january of 2025 what are we going to do to replace the interlocal i mean we can't this this won't even this will expire before we adopt so i'm assuming the reference is to the commissioner read out all there's an interlocal agreement between the county and uh the town of jupiter island that's what i'm most concerned about um we've been in negotiations with the the town um we had a meeting probably last december with commissioner jenkins involved um as far as i know the ball is in jupiter island's court we haven't heard anything in a while but it that that interlocal agreement was a uh result if memory serves of a comp plan challenge that jupiter island did to us and it was part of that settlement negotiation but it's not required by law just to add that it was a very amicable meeting and i thought we actually i thought we are further along and i'm disappointed to know that we're not i'm i'm just concerned that we're going to have an element that's inaccurate by the time it's adopted elise elder deputy county attorney after we transmit it and it comes back if there's a change that's like a technical change that we would be able to make before it stopped it it won't be adopted till probably march of next year i'm guessing february of next year so we have time yes so how are negotiations going with the with the uh south martin it's it is well so the issue if you remember the agreement had a um a planning area where we were to to discuss uh how service will be provided uh the the negotiation that we were looking to complete uh and then bring back for the board to discuss would actually define a service territory a boundary for smru and a very knowledgeable boundary by which martin county would be on there so um uh so we would bring that back to you all have discussions and i believe uh it will be in in staff's opinion in the best interest of the county and the uh and south martin regional utility uh we both are agreement of the conceptual boundary um and we just need to amend that we'll get they get that language to you here and it'll certainly be done before this is their idea okay honestly it was is it different it is logical so if you recall uh it's not to get too much into the weeds and a completely different issue the boundary uh there was a planning boundary that we were to discuss what happens and then there was a assumed there was another area west of that that because it was not mentioned in the agreement smru took the um um uh opinion that they could make claim to service territories all the way out to indiantown if you recall so um we would uh uh eliminate all those uncertainties with this uh proposed amendment and keep it uh essentially to what the original planning boundary was so good thanks commissioner smith and clad i guess just for clarification again not that you didn't do a really good job explaining what we're doing here today but the ear is a required state process that asks us to go back through the comp plan and clean up inaccuracies changes to state law anything else that has really gone on to make sure that the current or the proposed plan is consistent with state law yes that's correct so relative to this issue if it doesn't make the timeline of the ear and something has to be corrected next year or the following year there's nothing that prevents the county nsmru or whoever doing a plan amendment that matches an agreement that either wasn't anticipated wasn't finalized wasn't something i mean this isn't like the end of it with the year the year is just a point in time at which we are required to justify not justify correct any inaccuracies that have occurred over the last seven years relative to comp plan amendments both at the state level and uh or state law at the state level and comp plans amendments that have occurred over those seven years i consider it of the the year process to be a house cleaning process you go through and clean your home every so often that doesn't prevent you from doing it again i have a staff table light is that is that oh that's an old light uh no i think uh we've uh finished our presentation on public hearing number one as i said the local planning agency recommended approval 4-0 and uh we would uh ask that the board continue this to october 22 mr chairman uh with the changes uh relative to commissioner heard's questioning about the five commissioners in the mpo language being changed or corrected i would move continuation of this item to october 23rd 22 22 and commissioner if we could just add a time so nine o'clock or thereafter can be heard um just so we're in compliance with the statute i'll include that in my motion thank you also pending public comment second please second okay we have motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner heatherington all in favor aye whoa oh public comment i'm sorry do we have any public comment on this public hearing seeing none we have a motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner heatherington all in favor aye all opposed motion carries unanimously again we have a light at the staff table hold on that was when i needed that was you okay so i'm sorry and thank you for those comments part of the process is that we we get it right so i appreciate that after eight years i finally figured it out uh the next item is public hearing number two legislative public hearing to consider transmittal of evaluation and appraisal report based comprehensive plan amendment 24-06 housing element and text amendment mr dulin uh thank you uh i'll turn it over to stephanie to go ahead and into the particulars of the proposed changes to the housing element again most of these are just housekeeping in nature um a lot of this um element was based on data that we received from sources such as the american community survey the bureau of economic and business research office of economic um and uh demographic research in the schimberg center um at the university of florida for housing studies so um in particular we updated a lot of the um different tables the narratives and available data now so that it's updated so that you can more accurately plan um and then um that planning would involve planning for the availability of housing units that are affordable for all income levels several tables have been added to reflect current data relative to the housing conditions within the county tables include um tenure age rent value of homes monthly costs for both rental and home ownership and then um also the substandard dwelling units within the county um section six three c is being revised to reflect current county analysis and procedures for vacant residential land section six three six point three point c is being revised to reflect current county analysis of procedures for vacant residential land section six point three point e is being added to reference um enacted level legislation related to local government's authority for affordable housing unit or the live local act policy six point one d point three point seven is being added uh related to exceptions or waivers for impact fees for the development or construction of affordable housing that is affordable that was done in 2019 that's the legislation from 2019 policy 6.1 e point 10 is updated to reference the martin county community land trust which was created in 2023 and policy 6.1 e point 11 is being updated to reflect current legislative requirements um for the planning horizons that was changed in 2023 you're now required to do planning horizons for 10 and 20 years we uh communicated with emergency management staff and county staff to um to make these suggested edits i'm available for questions mr hurt yeah i'm on page 17 of 26 6.3 c vacant residential land um it's the about the vacant residential lands inventory and the residential capacity analysis and provides the procedures for doing the the analysis and then what action needs to be taken in order to make sure that we have adequate capacity that language has been stricken therefore we don't have a way to implement the vacant lands inventory or the vacant lands with this is it's actually been stricken from here but then it's in chapter four your future land use elements so we're just referencing it here because it will be addressed in chapter four yeah i i this is a deal breaker for me it needs to be it needs to remain in here uh members of the board uh allow me to uh point to this language and discuss with you the particulars of the particulars of it uh the language is not going away entirely it's been rewritten and recast here in this 6.3 c and it refers to section 4.2 a 9 of chapter 4 of the comprehensive growth management plan just as the stricken language also references it but there's a difference between the language you see that's stricken and the language that is in chapter uh 4 section 6 of 4.2 a 9 one says the primary and the secondary the other says the primary or the secondary so what we're doing is we're eliminating an inconsistency between the language here where it says the primary and the secondary and leaving it consistent with making this chapter consistent with chapter four where it says the primary or the secondary you're not making it consistent if you're eliminating it from here make it consistent i'm fine with that but it needs to be present in both chapters otherwise there's no way to implement the residential the the uh residential lands inventory and the residential capacity analysis you're just doing the analysis without implementing it mr please oh he has a light on go ahead mr smith commissioners good morning paul shilling growth management director so i think i understood the the question or comment but as mr dulin indicated it also cross references as previously section 4.2 point a paren 9 so that is not being disbanded with that is um just carried on so we have what we need to in the comp plan to facilitate the residential capacity analysis commissioner smith and again just for clarity purposes on all of this the an overarching component of an ear is to uncomplicate on if there are conflicts between chapters if there are conflicts between wording it is the goal of this process to uh plain language that and to come up with the most consistent language possible is that right and that's effectively what you've done correct and they will review that at the state level to make sure that that is consistent and that and clearly something like this being pointed out they will draw attention to thank you commissioner campy is it just a matter of opinion if it's there it's not detrimental correct mr dulin i get what commissioner smith just said about trying to keep everything streamlined and tight but if commissioner hurd requests it is there is is it okay that if you changed what you said and or the language there but left it there because it makes one of my commission colleagues feel more comfortable with the overall process if it's the pleasure of the board we can recast 6.3 c it's just duplicative so yes i get that it's duplicative but for one of my colleagues who is interested in having it i would prefer that we keep it because for me i'd rather have consistency and approvals from commissioners because it's not like earth shattering it's just a matter of having a duplicate passage but it's important to a colleague i would agree with her because i think keeping us all sort of unified in the approval process is more important for me than this would appear twice so that's two you would change that to or and do the change that you had mentioned so you you want to do a motion that you feel comfortable we're just going to ask the board to continue it to october 22nd to nine o'clock or thereafter be heard and then on october 22nd when we bring it back it'll be changed and you can vote on the actual well as long as three of us as long as three was i agree we need to vote on that right or head shake you just need to vote on the continuance not the change this is just for discussion purposes for the purposes of this conversation if you do not put it in a motion there will be the conspiracy that somehow we're pushing this under the rug and it's not happening no doubt you could you can vote on the change to make the change and bring it back on the 22nd to fix the language according to commissioner heard's request yeah i move that 6.3 c be retained in its entirety and the language be matched with the policies in 4.2 a 9 and that the uh public hearing be advertised to be out sometime after nine o'clock on october 22 this public hearing is continued at october 22nd at nine o'clock or thereafter as can be heard that's my motion are you done with the rest of this yes unless there are other mr smith second the only problem with the wording with entirety that says that that entire crossed out section needs to remain if it's not consistent with the other section then it won't be in its entirety i mean my recommendation would be that you give staff the ability to word 6.3.c to be consistent but to retain as much of the language as possible so that it's not somehow appearing to have dropped out that's what her motion said no she said entirety but then she also said consistent so it was well you've got two words going on and there will be there will be critics that will say that wasn't what was meant so all i'm doing is just trying to all can do what you want what's the language in 4.2 a 9 and or that's the only it's or worded differently throughout but the major difference is the or okay so then with the with the the addition of of or rather than and we can do that okay do we have any public comment we have a motion by commissioner heard seconded by commissioner campy all in favor all opposed motion carries unanimously look at that way we work together it's amazing all right public hearing number three legislative public hearing to consider transmittal of evaluation and an appraisal report based comprehensive plan amendment 24-16 arts and culture and historic preservation can i finish no can i ask a question in a text amendment mr smith let me turn your light off i think we voted just on no she i thought it was all one yeah okay i'm sorry i apologize mr dillon trying to get to the right page were you done with that section yeah yeah i think we're done with it that's what i asked public hearing number three now and we didn't ask for public yes he did i think he called for public comment thank you it wasn't uh wasn't allowing me to move to the that page um this is the arts and culture element i'll turn it over to uh stephanie but i will say that uh it's been extensively reviewed by our local um arts council and uh many of the changes were proposed by them so uh we we feel that this is a um a good change to the plan and go ahead thank you again many of these changes are housekeeping in nature updating data and analysis from a um survey that was done in 2022 um most of the changes update agency names they update the narratives the data policies to reflect current conditions um we did work with martin arts as mr dolan said uh crs cra staff as well because they do have a role in the historic preservation piece of it so um policies are revised to reflect the renaming of the public art site committee to the public art advisory committee and terminating the public art master plan and five-year plan which was done by an ordinance by this commission in um 2019 and then one of the policies just was better located somewhere else so i relocated that and then um like i said most of this is just to um update different data and analysis in there to reflect what is currently going on in the county so uh another big change was um to add in the support of the library and the county's clerk's office because they have now started doing a lot of the um historical document retention so we wanted to make sure that they were included in there as well very very few changes in this element i'll add to that the local planning agency voted 5-0 to recommend approval on july 18. any questions for staff commissioner smith i think public comment i would move that we continue this item to october 22nd second on the 22nd at 9 o'clock or thereafter do we have any public comment for this public hearing seeing none we have a motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner campi all in favor aye all opposed motion carries unanimously public hearing number four public legislative public hearing to consider transmittal of evaluation and appraisal report based comprehensive plan amendment 24-17 public school schools facility element and a text amendment mr doon thank you mr chair this element we owe a big thank you to the staff at the school district um we gave them the text they sent us back the changes that they wanted and a lot of the mapping and a lot of the data comes directly from our martin county school district so a big thank you to them and stephanie okay um to add to what mr doolan said um the things that we changed other than what the school district required uh were to update tables um data maps narratives enrollment projections um fiscal considerations um to uh putting current information of the school district's capital assets and long-term debt revised language related to school concurrent concurrency related to development um policies 17 1 e 1 and 17 1 e 2 are updated to include the village of indiantown and the annual review of the public school facilities element and then also uh policy 17.1 f point 3 is updated to include the village of indiantown and the martin metropolitan planning organization in efforts to coordinate for sidewalks bike paths and facilitate travel to and from schools and recreational facilities so with that um we're open for commissioner campy thank you um any wording in regards to charter schools or private schools like all about achieving is that we don't have wording in there for that there are charter schools our references and we have included statistics on charter schools but at the local level there's like not a lot you don't have a lot of authority of those but we can in my mind the only thing i was thinking that has changed in the last several years in regards to the school concept was charters and private educational organizations right and we have put in there and updated the the um different charter schools that are in the county now and went from two to four since the last year process thank you with that uh seeing if there's any public comment i would make motion to accept a no to continue until october 22nd sometime after nine o'clock okay do we have any public comment on this public hearing seeing none we have a motion by commissioner campy seconded by commissioner hetherington all in favor aye all opposed please note that it passed unanimously public hearing number five legislative public hearing to consider transmittal of evaluation and appraisal report based comprehensive plan 24-05 transportation element a text amendment mr doulan you are um there's a whole bunch of other names on here that uh anyway go ahead thank you uh mr chair members of the board i have with me uh county engineer mike griselka uh who will be presenting the proposed changes to chapter five this was an in-house work effort um and uh it a lot of it it looks like a lot's been changed but actually a lot's been just relocated and rearranged for better clarity um and with that i'll turn it over to mr gazelka i like having the guest presenters nice changes it up uh let me get us to i think you want to be on page you'll all have to bear with me today too seeing as this all just got dropped in my lap after luke left yeah a few weeks ago so whoops no figures i want uh slides are on 4 15. ready to go do we know yes i'll tell you later there we go so one of my next chats okay okay so the some of the biggest changes in here like you said it looks like it's a lot of a lot of changes but a lot of it's just removing stuff around and and reorganizing it by adding the the purpose intent up to the front of it adding emphasis on multimodal systems and the the overall um transportation network in the county the the roadways the biggest thing with the roadways is using the newly adopted uh if you would be qualitative level of service concept um which talks about contact classifications which what it does now is it's based on what people are expect delays in traffic depending on what type of um urbanized or rural type areas so that's one of the biggest changes um a lot of it because we we've gone through this route for our level of service called qualitative level of service um it clarifies some of us the long-term and short-term forecasting methods um remove some redundant stuff because it bounced around inside here so that's kind of some of our cleanup stuff that we did um pathways it's adds some more stuff in there about pathways and um mitigation strategies for the pedestrians bicyclists uh vehicles and i now talks about more the pathway needs and the and the talks also about the new fdot adopted its level of traffic stress concepts which then it basically is how comfortable people are walking on a pacific or walking or bicycling or traveling on a specific um pathway you know whether they're very comfortable with it or whether they try to avoid it so it's all it's it's a whole it's a whole different way of looking at it's it's a stress-based level of service as opposed to a um not strictly number of people number of trips could you hold that thought for just a second commissioner campy commissioner smith is this the time maybe do we need to formalize language about your suggestion of putting the bike lanes especially on bridges inside the boundary of the border of the uh barricade is that something we'd want to put in here or no i i appreciate the ask i don't know that this is the place to try to do that um i think that i think two components that one i think i don't know that we can comprehensively planning wise require the state to do things within our right of way i don't know that we can do that the state's going to trump us on whether we can or can't i was thinking about that as you asked it and i'm thinking okay well what could we do can we send can we send commentary along with this on an item asking the state to review and look at policies and strategies to make multi-lane pathways safer for both bicyclists and pedestrians and that goes along with the stress concept because there are some things we as a state could be doing but again i don't know that through our comp plan we can to the state that we want them to do something that's definitely both mike yeah but i was just thinking that if the state should should agree in the future and then we look back at our rules and it doesn't say that you could so i was just wondering even if we just layered it in there not trying to trump the state but just try to have something that was in at least you know you know what the concept is is that the bike lane would be on the inside of the of the concrete there are there are three things that have kind of surfaced as ideas and one that could be instantaneous again i don't i just don't know that the ears as much as i would love to use the ear to do something like this one would be to have the audible grinding system that the white line that is adjacent to the existing bike lane be ground for audible um that would be a huge change on bridges at least um moving the jersey barriers to the exterior side of the bike lane would be great but that's a huge state change of doing things well maybe at least on bridges where you have nowhere to go you're stuck out there and then the other would be painting all of anything anything that would happen relative to a resurfacing or rebuilding like right now jensen beach causeway is going through a complete resurfacing and redo it would be the absolutely perfect time for them to paint the bike ways on all of jensen beach causeway boulevard but again i don't know that putting it in here is mike i'm looking at you like yeah and mr don mike's not on the the comp plan is your your goals and and aspirations and you can certainly talk about wanting to improve safety on the regulatory side the uh our our road we're limited by state statute on what you can actually do we have to follow the federal rules and the state green book in terms of our minimum requirements so you can't introduce a requirement in here that's not allowed by law but you can aspire to make changes that you want to be more safe so i think the uh the idea that you want to add into one of these goals that we could do between now and it comes back to enhance the um you know uh bicycle safety along bridges and and arterials that sort of thing um to uh we could do that and and and uh and since we still have mix miss wixer helping us on the side we could get her to to work on on some of that language and and bring it back when we when we come back i think that would be the my recommendation is that we put it into one of the goals or objectives in here uh that would incur you know that then that would be part of our goal to work with the state on developing new standards that would make it safer does that make sense like it you want that in a motion from commissioner smith yes certainly i think i think you could provide that direction when you make the motion to continue it to direct staff to um uh amend uh the goals and objectives to uh uh improve the safety uh of bicyclists on bridges and major roadways commissioner hurt yeah i think that we can we definitely can can make those regulations for us for county uh maintained uh bridges and just encourage the uh state to to consider these improvements safety improvements um on the bridges where they have jurisdiction well only don't want to disagree with you commissioner but they do the state does limit what we can do on our own roadways as well through the dot standards that's why i was suggesting that we can get the get the state to amend the rules which is this the standard so even on county roads we're limited by state statute on what we can design them to one thing is for sure by doing a goal that would highlight some additional things it would force the state to review it if it's highlighted and look at it and go yeah but we don't like that but you're right because if this is to mirror zero fatalities which is the number one priority of the state of florida for transportation then they should be all over if there are suggestions that will make it safer for bicyclists and pedestrians on their roadways and ours but i mean this all it may do is serve as a highlighting feature to get them to focus on oh gee by the way here are some ideas but as well in the comprehensive plan like mr dolan said and mr donelson said it is our goals our aspirations our wishes commissioner smith can you remind us where why you had to come up with that idea in the first place uh yeah very simply we had a very prominent resident um unfortunately lost his life on one of our state bridges here in martin county in sewell's point and his daughters and family members came to meet with us and talk to us about ideas that they had um to make what happened to their father perhaps never happen again to someone else that is um using those facilities and martin drummond yes sir he lost his life so if it maybe his family could see some positive slight positive outcome from something terrible i also remember in jensen several years ago there was a boy riding a bike that was hit by a car that was knocked off the bridge into the water unless i had that weird and our delegation is very aware they have the daughters have communicated with our folks and it would not surprise me that we don't see some kind of legislation this year to to adopt some of these things but i appreciate the conversation thank you certainly mr chair add that to our legislative priorities this year too absolutely so with that said um do we have any public comment for this public hearing i don't know that they were done with their presentation did you want to continue i mean oh well yeah maybe we ought to finish before we it's not a whole lot i mean we're very done uh because now we've we've basically prioritized and changed the order and everything that it goes with the um roadways then into the transit um we've actually added more stuff in transit because transit didn't have a whole lot in it before more bringing it up to date for what we currently have is what we've done in transit transit airports really hasn't changed at all um very much except being moved around in in the in the order of things uh railroad we you know brought it up to up up to dates to include all the second track and the high reach the high speeds rail and um we identify the fact that there's a deficiency with the one track bridge um for both the railroads and the waterways so that affects both both of those elements um and this is a little bit more waterway the basic goals have not really changed on on any mom on any of these it's just more the way it's being looked at um and of course the figures that go along with it are being updated to to meet up with what new roads we've put in over the last since the last update and and um that kind of stuff with that it's pretty much uh don't you guys have any more questions and there's a little section that yeah there's um donna can we go to page 347 thank you um just wanted to touch on the local planning agency recommendation from august 1 2024 the lpa voted 4-0 to approve the proposed changes and they had some additional comments which you see in red on the page uh you can uh see for yourself they mentioned the uh station and clarifying the dredging of waterways be done with an environmentally sent with environmentally sensitive methods those were not included in the motion they were just additional comments made as part of the the lpa action commissioner smith mr chairman i would move uh that we continue this item to october 22nd with the additional comments the comments relative to um bicycle pedestrian safety goals uh in this element pending public comment commissioner heard yeah um starting on page 15 of 33 under section 5.6 um it says that the purpose of this section is to establish guidelines for developing the plan for the public non-motorized pathway needs of martin county based on the changing demographics and the decreased dependency on single occupancy vehicles i don't think that either of those things are true i don't see that our demographics are changing and i certainly don't see a decreased dependency on single occupancy vehicles um you can answer the content i can you tell me the section again yeah 5.6 a on in 15 of 33 which is three page 370 thank you i believe that as far as the pedestrian walking goes we are seeing an increase in pedestrians in certain areas of the county um a lot more pedestrian than we've seen in the past um as as well as the the the bicyclists the recreational bike bicyclists i should say they're not using it for transportation but the recreational guys are definitely increasing um as far as the decrease in single occupancy vehicles uh i don't i don't know that answer i i mean just like i said i'm i'm just catching up on this and what's the purpose of this uh table the general use characteristics tables that you're referring to yeah that's all part of the stress stuff that's all part of that um pedestrian and and and walker bicycle rider that's it's part of their that's it's kind of explaining the the the level of stress that people are able to tolerate so that's the descriptor so if you're in a stress one then uh then children are comfortably able to ride on the road as opposed to a stress four you wouldn't let your child get near that pathway so let's just try to provide purposes so that so that no the purpose is that you could then label a particular pathway in the county and say based upon the new dot standard this sidewalk has a stress level four we need to make some changes to it because it's next to a community with lots of children how do we change it to get to a stress level one and so it's a way to try to provide some measurement to a description that says the citizen says there's no way i can let my child walk to school on this roadway what are you going to do about it and it would provide us a means of of of putting some numeric criteria to saying if we do these improvements we can get it from a four to a three or four to a one and that's the that's the purpose of the table is just to give you a descriptor of what does a stress level one mean it's it's just a very general definition to so that we could use it as a planning tool in the future is that correct and this has been adopted by the dot and so this is the dot standard right so we're just reflecting the new way of looking at the pathway the new numerical method of describing distress yeah may i speak to just that issue do you mind jumping in did i jump in um perfect case in point on berry avenue she had the floor i apologize to you sir may i speak please thank you um berry avenue from the hammock creek so from golden bear to martin highway the sidewalk used to be right on the curb and it's the main drag for a lot of kids that would walk and ride their bikes but they were riding right next to the roadway and we used one of the first things we ever did was move the sidewalk back to create the grassy space like 12 foot grassy space in between and it was because parents were afraid of their small elementary school children riding their bikes so close to the road so that this chart would be perfectly uh accurate and and a good tool for those kind of situations where you'd say well how bad is it that's a three so i like it i i still think it's it's it's it's not useful i would consider this high this sidewalk in front of this building a four that doesn't keep me from walking on it well you're a grown-up well i judge it's it's it's it's discretionary but so at any rate i i i think that this is is not shouldn't be in our comprehensive plan uh now i'm going on to the next page which is 371 and it's and it's about transit and quite frankly i think we all those of us who are serving in the mpo want to kind of throw our transit plan away and so i don't know that any of this is going to be relevant for us in the next years i think that we're going to try to do something different with transit and i don't want our hands to be tied and i think that this document is tying our hands uh particularly with regard to uh to to transit um i'm on page 372 at the bottom 5.6 e waterway needs um talking about a regional waterways plan uh including dredging inlets bridges and navigational constraints um it also has an evaluation of a high-speed ferry service from fort pierce and stewart um and and talking about channel dredging these these things are all uh undesirable to me i don't want to have a regional plant waterways plan with port saint lucie i don't want to have a high-speed ferry linking stewart and port saint lucie um i don't want them to to be interfering well and then we're going on to um page 383 uh plan for a regional public transit authority um i don't know who that's with but i don't want to have a regional transport a regional public transit authority either um and then we're going to it looks to me like in policy 5.5 a 7 and 5.5 a 8 we're going to require employees employers to provide their employees access to public transit and to require uh major industrial development to incorporate access to public transit i think that's heavy-handed um strive to expand the fixed route public transit system i don't think we want to do that either uh strive to expand access to rail transportation the county shall collaborate with the florida east coast railroad uh csx transportation to develop a plan to coordinate expanded freight and passenger rail access uh to the urban corridor the county i don't think we want to do that either uh so those are some of them oh and then there's um on page 388 a policy to deepen the channel in manatee pocket um you know i probably am the only uh landowner on the manatee pocket who still has a natural shoreline that doesn't diminish the importance of natural shorelines um and also i think that dredging if if there is if it's decent habitat dredging destroys seagrasses so i don't like the emphasis upon dredging so in short the uh my comments about the transportation element is that it needs an awful lot of work mr donelson your mic just address a couple of things the um the the regional plan that was mentioned earlier was actually something that the board had already adopted with the mpo and i think that was just included as a as to uh include a document that the board had already adopted and then under the transit element um those are already existing goals within the comp plan i think a lot of that you can see it was changing from transportation to transit is really it was really wasn't making major changes to what was already in the in the comp plan in terms of the board's changing direction on any one of these elements um that you can certainly be still free to do so just because it's in there to encourage or try to um offer different transportation alternatives should you decide to do or not this could always be amended later to to reflect what's actually going on on the ground so i would suggest that for the most part leaving those the same if you want to um uh you know discuss some of these other items individually that's fine but i would some of these are already just minor changes to what the comp plan already said commissioner hathington my light was on when we had the conversation and can you go back to that table the level of stress who determine that was way way back then who determines that um criteria it seems very subjective it does fdot have a formula to rank the one through four or is that it seems very subjective how does one quantify what you know most children are can confidently use the facility again that's very subjective does the d.o.t out outline that formula or is somebody coming up with that i believe this is d.o.t language right but if we have to include this in our consideration for adding facilities who determines this level of traffic stress is that determined by the county how do we assign a that no number of criteria jim gordon public works director um so there's d.o.t has a manual called the multimodal level of a service manual that describes how you would assign those levels of stress the county would be responsible for evaluating all of our multimodal pathways and providing that ranking of um based on the manual that d.o.t has so we would do our own rankings but we would use the methodology that's outlined in the d.o.t multimodal level of service manual we could prioritize safety for pedestrians and cyclists without this table in there as well right of course yeah it was a way to quantify it because otherwise it is entirely subjective and we're just looking at individual pieces um we just did a through the mpo we did an evaluation of um congestion management up on us-1 north of the bridge and and during those discussions we've talked about that a lot of people feel uncomfortable using those sidewalks on us-1 north of the bridge that's an example of a level four um but but we can use this manual we can use a different methodology but this one was just one that's available it's already adopted in florida and it um you know it would make it consistent with what d.o.t is doing and would there be some kind of like public input i mean i agree with commissioner heatherington at some point how does hope sound weigh in and say that bridge road needs a safer something sure we get that all the time is is requests to either modify existing or to create new pathways um so i think that's the process would remain the same that we'd go through the request for service where people would like new things or we would get projects through the cra nac um in the respective areas um but just like we evaluate level of service on our roadways um we look at that based for the roadways it's based on number of trips per day and and available capacity on the roadway and things like that um so we do that all the time on our roads every single year we reevaluate that i just think maybe from what stacy's saying what i'm thinking maybe what others are thinking when you get a multimodal pathway whatever you're going to define it as there ought to be some kind of public perception survey that goes out to that community to say look we think we hear this we had some complaints what is the greater picture think about it so that you so that somebody that's going to rely on a numerical system to say i'm not putting my kid on a sidewalk that's rated a four or i also wonder about the liability side of this that if you recognize something is as a four and you do nothing about it you're on the hook when something goes wrong and i'm sure i'm sure they have thought about that but the the follow-on cost for this i think it's good that they're doing it but the follow-on cost could be enormous relative to ed's thing well we moved the sidewalk 12 feet in okay that was you know a couple hundred thousand dollars probably to do that but across the county relative to every pathway or everything that people raise as a level four we are going to have to get on that faster than not i think anyway just oh who's in the room seems subjective i i don't understand it it makes the formula that someone and who would determine this is not well defined so i i think it creates conflict in rather than more clarity i think commissioners at its best it's used as a tool when you're seeking funding from the feds that you've done an evaluation that's standard to their criteria and you're making the request for funding a change to uh improvement you can say that yes on the standard it's a four we're requesting these additional dollars to make this improvement so that we can get it at least to a two or something like that major so it's a so it's really a it's a it's a really more of a planning tool to give you a a chance to evaluate it and and using the state's methodology then we are making the argument of there's nobody using the sidewalk because it's so dangerous as opposed to strictly a level of service you want to widen the sidewalk or move it while nobody's using it why would we invest in it this is a new method to try to get you to look at it from um using the adjacent road usage affects the the pedestrian use i think it's so we're using that we're trying to speak the state's language is what you're saying that's exactly right and and we can take the table out if you so desire and leave it the way it is and we would still we still may wind up using the state language even if it's not in here in order to get our goal which is state funding to help us fix things commissioner campy i think we're bogging down on whether or not we leave a chart in here but that's just me um to some of commissioner heard's points about um i don't know what her reasoning was like you wouldn't want a high-speed ferry to come i don't know if one would but i don't know if that was an ability for people to you know commute out of this area to go to jobs in st lucie or port st lucie that would just be another way of taking some cars off the road i don't know if it's feasible but there's plenty of communities that you know that are along the water bodies that have some kind of water taxi high speed water ferry that just could be an option so i don't know specifically why you didn't like it i sort of like that one and then the concept of a regional transit authority to me if it's like rapid transit authority is a whole different vibe to me than regional because a transit authority would speak to when i know that there are some landowners in palm city that are trying to coordinate with landowners on the other side of the canal in port st lucie where they might be able to line road ways up that keeps people from getting on 95 and coming around on martin highway if i know that a while ago the folks at ashley capital were trying to coordinate with the folks that were up in port st lucie about creating a road that came straight down to a bridge that went to their kind of internal traffic network if they're and i'm not saying i'm going to create a whole group over this but it was a little disjointed trying to figure out what we were doing down here and what they were doing up there so i think sometimes having a little more um regional kind of mindset could help especially for those of us that have districts that straddle the boundary the county line so i don't you know i don't know if it's enough for her to feel like she doesn't want to support this chapter but those things i could see are more just sort of personal decisions than big kind of changes to philosophy i yield commissioner smith lots i think um part of that line that was in there about the um freight and passenger rail going west was probably recognition of the concept that has been floating around for over seven or eight years now about expanding highway 27's capacity of rail we have a thousand foot of right away out in the middle of the state that has car and truck traffic but is the perfect opportunity for intermodal truck traffic and rail freight to get it off the east coast and move it to the interior part of the state and get it out of our if you will urban areas of the coast i don't know if that's really what it was but that's how i interpret that um dredging whatever dredging we would do i guess mr donaldson that there is a significant amount of seagrass study that goes along with any kind of a dredging project that you can't probably dredge seagrass beds um for permitting purposes and all sorts of other study purposes so i don't know that that's an issue um i think we do have our regional transit authority it's called the tpo right um that we coordinate with st lucie county on regional transportation network issues i think right we still have tpo in place pretty infrequent or not tpo but the what's the we do the tctc tctc that's what i'm sorry we meet with indian river st lucie and martin county um and then on this rating thing it struck me as you stacy as you were talking or ed was talking about it whichever don't you wish we could put traffic lights in this same category like if the public thinks an intersection is dangerous and the green book doesn't say it's warranted well so what if it had a rating of four then somebody would be mandated that we would be able to allow ourselves to put a traffic light in at south river right so maybe as a suggestion we we put a note or a footnote or something in here relative to the state maybe adopting the same kind of curriculum language something for street lights to give locals more control over those decisions versus the state deciding that that's not in their best interest as a thought process that's an old light yeah that's right thank god okay um where are we i'll make a motion what do you want to make a motion go ahead please i would move that we continue this item to october 22nd on or after 9 a.m uh and that staff uh take the comments that um various commissioners have facilitated and if there is a place to add or correct or change language that when it comes back in october that those changes are reflective in what we heard today i will second that okay thank god um any public comment on this public hearing seeing none we have a we have a motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner heatherington all in favor aye all opposed motion carries four to one commissioner heard dissenting and with that we are going to take our lunch break and we'll be back at 1 30 to hear public hearing number eight preset thank you welcome back to our board of county commission meeting we will uh skip down to public hearing number eight because it is a 130 preset and it is 134 so uh public hearing to consider adoption of amendments to the article to article six of the land development regulation impact fees mr clyde dulin and miss lisa wixer oh she doesn't look like she was here anyway thank you mr chair members of the board um with me is negan camp our impact fee consultant uh so uh after i you know briefly touch on the fact that this is a proposed amendment to article six of the land development regulations and we're proposing changes to the text to update it consistent with state statutes and proposing changes to the impact fee schedule uh i'll instead uh stop and uh defer to negan so that she can perhaps give you an update or i'm not an update but a summary of uh what impact fees are all about good afternoon commissioners negan camp with benish this is just sort of a refresher nothing that you haven't seen before but uh basically in terms of the background the county has been experiencing a growth and the technical study for the impact fees current adopted impact fees was last updated in 2012 so the purpose of the study is to bring everything up to date and reflect current uh data and it's focusing on those uh seven service areas so we are not updating schools but just the county fees uh impact fees by definition are one-time capital charge to new development they cover the cost of new capacity projects they cannot be used directly for maintenance resurfacing operations but they do free up general tax dollars and indirectly help those programs they help implement the capital improvement plans and capital improvement elements their main purpose is to maintain the level of service they calculate the cost of growth and they are most needed when there are high growth levels and limited alternative funding the study is using what we call a consumption-based methodology which is very common in florida it charges new growth based on the value of the infrastructure that is consuming and the way the fees are calculated we make sure that we are not charging new development at a level to correct any existing deficiencies they will basically generate just enough to uh enough revenues to uh address their growth needs and of course the study establishes the maximum uh technically calculated rates but the board always has the policy option to adopt them at a reduced percentage in terms of legal requirements impact uh impact fees were governed in florida by case law for a long time and then in 2006 we had the impact fee act pass and then it has several changes since then some of its key requirements are that the studies and the fees be based on most recent and localized data for any increases there's a minimum of 90 day requirement for implementation after adoption and if there's any challenge now the local governments have to show that their fees are correct instead of other sides showing they are incorrect then in 2021 we had a house bill passed that put some limits on how much the fees can be increased and how they need to be phased so if any increases up to 25 percent needs to be phased over two years any increases between 25 and 50 percent needs to be phased over four installments and the fees cannot be increased more than 50 percent and they cannot be increased more than once every four years there's an exception clause that requires a study that shows extraordinary circumstances which would need to be discussed in two public workshops and be approved the increase above 50 percent needs to be approved by two-thirds of the governing body and then the basic impact fee formula looks at cost to add capacity so for most of the fees this is the value of the infrastructure what the community invested in any given infrastructure up to this point from that we subtract any other revenues that are coming from future development and will be used for the same infrastructure so that we are not charging them twice once through the fee once through the tax and then that net cost gets multiplied by demand which is measured in terms of travel for transportation and population for all the other fees so this slide is just showing you a total calculated fees for two three example land uses and for single family home uh again just as just the county excluding schools it would be about ten thousand two hundred and current fees more about eight thousand and you you all provided the direction of using the capping so these will be all kept and i think those schedules are in your package so that just is a quick overview that if i'll be happy to answer any questions commissioner um thank you for that can you go back that last slide please um does the school board have impact fees as well yes they do it's a separate schedule in the order in the ldr okay so i i just want to point out to everybody that it really not the county total calculation it is for the county commission but there's like another eight or ten thousand for the school board so it's really twenty thousand for a single family house not ten and to add to that commissioner division two of this of article six of the land development regulations deals with school impact fees and none of the changes we're proposing here today deal with that division of the ldr i appreciate that i just want the public to understand that when you look at that number somebody may say oh ten thousand that's not so bad until you write the check for a new home and it's really twenty thousand that's all just when my parents built their house in schools point and i always tried to understand exactly where they were going to get twenty thousand dollars worth of value out of their impact fees that they paid because schools point at least at that time wasn't having a lot of infrastructure needs one way or the other but they may not have paid county impact fees in schools point schools point might have had its own impact fees is that right municipalities have their own yes yes thank you um i'm probably going to ask a stupid question but what is it square f s f a square foot gla what is gla gross leaseable area just the retail category is measured by the institute of transportation engineers in terms of the leaseable area that's okay it would have bothered me forever if i were not yeah sure yeah okay any other questions do we have any public comment i have a commissioner comment yourself out just to reiterate the fact that these numbers have not changed in 14 years right this is 2012 was the last time this has been reviewed the the last time that the the whole fee schedule and the whole ldr was reviewed was back in 2013 there were some changes made in 2016 to add a conservation impact fee and to combine the library fees under one uh but yes as a as a whole it was 2013. thank you uh to add to the to presentation just a little bit there are as negan explained some of the fees are going to go up by a maximum of 50 percent some will go up by less like 25 percent some will go down uh there will be some fees that actually go down like the small uh unit size for a single family residence of 800 square feet those fees actually go down and what we have in the um in the presentation materials is um uh that's not where i want to go um is are there are four schedules that show a 12 and basically a 12 and a half percent increase for uh the fees over a course of four years uh the the 50 percent increase pardon 476 is the last thank you the staff report thank you um the the fees will go up by approximately 12 and a half percent as proposed in these in this uh work product for a maximum of 50 percent over a four-year period so um you will not see a 50 increase on any fees uh next year and the fee schedules would bring it up uh would start january 1 2025 and then the next fee uh increase would be january 1 2026 and so on for a four-year period um i do not can i get to the tables quickly so there's the 2028 that's what the fee the schedule would look like on the fourth year uh and and so we've got four sections of figure 611 here uh so that it can be easily seen by all parties what it what the fee would be each year of the four years and then at the end of four years or near the end of the four years the board could initiate another study and do another um revision to the fee schedule if if the board so desires uh i can go into a lot more detail and discussion on this if you'd like but uh staff recommends approval of the proposed changes to the land development regulation and the fee schedules uh attached commissioner hurt yeah um i i really feel sorry for incoming commissioners who have to learn about impact fees these are so complicated and our hands are so tied it's it's the impact fees have always been very obscure for me but never never more than they are right now um are we going to look at the changes proposed in article six we certainly can i'll just go through the ones that the the questions that i have i'm on page 485 6.9 d the stricken text no the new text okay um so they're explain explain 6 9 d to me well the state statutory changes require the impact fees to be expended for capital improvements that would benefit uh that district or that where those fees were collected but there's an exception tell me about the exception uh as you correctly note the county engineer can make uh qualified improvements uh based upon documentation that the fees will be spent on those improvements is that florida statutes or is that us it says that the county engineer can make the changes turn your microphone please no the the uh the the statute is that you must spend the fees and uh i read the rational nexus i think the uh the in this particular case your the county's determination would be um using the county engineer um uh could submit a finding if it was going to be spent outside the the the um the immediate area so the concept is is that for instance if you had a development in um jensen beach that you would not be spending um funds on island way and in south county it's not a now if there was a regional facility that you were building on and for some reason and just please this is an example don't that if uh we were contributing to i-95 or something and it was benefiting the whole county you could make it a determination but it's very difficult so the idea is under law is that you're what the the trips that the that the uh development is making the improvements that you're you're using those funds on have to be related to the people that are there are either traveling there or they originated there for if it's residential of course they're leaving and they're creating impact if it was some major um you know uh employment hub and it's drawing people from different areas you you might have a rational nexus or a determination study that could say that hey i'm pulling a third of my trips are from people that live out of the county and therefore i can spend money on the western corridor even though the project is in cove road so those are but in general the way it's written by law is you can't we have to program the fees that are collected for a project simply on cove road that benefits that on transportation systems that are are close by to it or that we can demonstrate have a um trips are affected by that this just seems to to negate the purpose of the impact fees being spent in the district in which they are raised i also they they in in 6.9 e impact fees can be used for uh repairs that's not creating new new capacity no impact i believe it says no impact fees shall be used for repairs oh okay good um now i'm on page 487 um and i'm on uh uh 6.11 b credits under number five uh crossed out is the requirement that the uh subject facilities are listed in the capital improvement plan yes that wise why don't we want our projects to be listed one of the recent legal changes now the statue says you have to give new development dollar by dollar credit regardless of whether it's in your capital improvement plan whether you want to improvement it just really um forces if it's in a state facility even if you're not collecting for state roads basically anything they do they get full credit dollar for dollar index to the value it really um kind of strengthen that language for the dollar for credits i'm okay with that i'm not okay with doing away with the requirement that it be listed in the capital improvements project well even if it's not listed the county has to give credit so that's why it got stricken yeah that's one of yeah something is it really messes up the capital improvement plans yeah it does okay next one is on page 489 uh number 10 uh impact fee credits are assignable and transferable from one property to another in the same impact fee district or an adjacent district that receives benefits blah blah blah really yes is that a state requirement yes yes well that's just ridiculous you should run for governor yeah you're just trying to get me out of here you and i are stuck together at least for the next two years if not longer that's right maybe even more hey make the motion to accept i'll move staff's recommendation for approval i will second it okay we have any public comment in this public hearing no public comment so we have a motion by commissioner heard seconded by commissioner we get it just go ahead campy all in favor all right all opposed what can we like before when you all write the check for new house you come back and tell me how fair the impact fees are well i have i have an observation commissioner smith and something that i learned is that if you bulldoze your house that's on your lot you don't have to pay impact fees yeah you've already paid your impact yep as long as your capacity is the same unless you increase it doesn't matter it doesn't matter you can have a 100 square foot house and if you build a 5 000 square foot house on your lot you don't pay impact fees helpful hint for everybody who's considering moving or built bulldozing buy a shed on a large piece of property okay so got some friends here from out of town this is all for you god so anyway um motion passes four to one with commissioner smith dissenting who would have thunk it okay we have a two o'clock preset but we can can we squeeze in um absolutely number six thank you consultant is always a wonderful job thanks legislative public hearing to man the love lady as well so fantastic he please continue you might get the why'd you get no mention um legislative public hearing to consider transmittal of evaluation and appraisal report based based comprehensive plan amendment preamble and text amendment mr dillon uh thank you members of the board this is a uh mostly a housekeeping changes that uh have been uh prepared uh i'll go quickly to the uh summary in the staff report uh the local planning agency recommended approval 3-1 on august the first uh there are several minor changes uh made to the to the chapter uh the residential capacity analysis change that was i noted in section 1.7c we discussed at the lpa and it's due to the fact that the indiantown urban service district uh changed when the indiantown community de-annexed the little ranch estates property so uh we just made a small change there to note that uh that property that that would be added to or included in our residential capacity analysis calculation i'd like to introduce to you our new senior planner jenna nabi uh we're very happy to have jenna come on board uh she's been a big help already in the time she's been here and i'm going to go ahead and let her finish the discussion on chapter one thank you clyde good afternoon commissioners welcome thank you uh as clyde said my name is jenna nabi senior planner with the growth management department and as with many of these other proposed year-based amendments much of this is housekeeping so some minor proposed amendments for chapter one include section 1.7b housing unit demand projection is being revised to remove reference to the indiantown urban service district and clarify that parcels within incorporated municipalities are not included in the residential capacity calculations for unincorporated unincorporated martin county in the housing unit demand projection for unincorporated martin county the same similar proposed amendment is for section 1.7c residential capacity calculations to remove reference to the indiantown urban service district and clarify that parcels within incorporated municipalities are not included in residential capacity calculations for unincorporated and unincorporated martin county section section 1.7c is also being revised to change the existing 15-year planning period language to now specify a 20-year planning period language and this is consistent with section 163.3177 of florida statute and the remaining changes in chapter one are simply renumbering sections for corrections and clarification so staff recommends that we continue this public hearing to october 22nd and we are available for any questions that you may have now you can breathe good job sorry i thought that this was going after the two o'clock preset so i sprinted over here you're among friends here you don't need to be nervous we're all good better apologies and if you make a mistake commissioner right there next to you don't worry commissioner hurt um so the changes for the planning horizons are changed because of state statutes to 20 yes that's correct aren't we planners in this develop rapidly developing state um and and my other question is parcels within incorporated municipalities are not included in the residential capacity calcs or the projects projections for housing demand did we used to count the the uh municipalities no but the the situation that we talked about with little ranch estates and indiantown required that we we make it abundantly clear we're not calculating the urban the um areas that are in municipalities but did we ever no okay all right for clarifying existing plan policies motion to continue this item sometime after 9 a.m on october 22nd any public comment on this public hearing seeing none we have a motion by commissioner campi seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor all opposed motion carries unanimously how about uh that was my welcoming public hearing number seven can you squeeze that in in the next four minutes if you want let's do it all right she's like thank god i'm out of here get her some oxygen uh members of the board uh this is the oh i was supposed to read it but i'm sorry go legislative public hearing to consider transmittal of evaluation and appraisal report based comprehensive plan amendment 24-7 recreation element a text amendment this element has the fewest changes of any element that we are working on uh we consulted with the parks and rec staff and they actually um suggested the changes that you see in this proposed element uh there's some minor minor changes about park facility planning to reference the master plan for the parks department and um i think there's an extension in their in their planning period for um for planning uh parks to move it out to like a 10-year period or and actually probably by statute now even farther out so um staff recommends this item be continued to october 22 um and i'll be happy to answer any questions yeah you'd fit that right in not necessarily grab the edge of the bar slide oh commissioner i didn't see your line i'm sorry i'm on page 459 at the bottom of the page under future needs and it says the county will encourage planned unit developments to provide active parkland based on current levels of service i will never encourage anyone to do puds i hate them uh it used to say dris also and we we struck that yeah i think that puds are extremely unfair any other questions for staff we have any uh public comment seeing none that we continue this item till 9 a.m or after on october 22nd second jeez i want to give commissioner smith a chance okay um of a motion by commissioner um herthington seconded by commissioner campy all in favor aye all opposed opposed motion carries four to one because it has puds um commissioner heard dissented thank you with that it's two o'clock i'm not and miss tammy that's how we run the county two o'clock preset we're on it department number five consideration of a resolution encouraging power system manufacturing to submit an application for an ad valorem tax exemption in accordance with state and county law mr george stokas good afternoon mr chair george stokas assistant kind minister behind me is uh a bevy of bdb representation as well as uh psm or power systems manufacturing before you is a non-binding resolution that's a first step of three to allow for uh power systems manufacturing to apply for to apply not actually get it yet but to apply for an economic development ad valorem exemption in accordance with chapter 71 article 13 general ordinances of your code section 196 decimal 1995 of the florist state statutes power systems manufacturing uh intends to occupy a 185 000 square foot manufacturing facility located off of canter highway also affectionately known as the south florida gateway industrial park they are proposing 101 jobs at 36 above the average earnings in martin county for an average salary 136 above well 36 above 36 above 36 above 100 yes 36 above 100 101 new high wage jobs um i do have one scribners there that i do need to have the board accept while we're uh considering this um again this resolution does not obligate the board of county commissioners to approve or in any way guarantee an ad valorem tax exemption will be granted power systems is here to answer any questions you may have however they will be applying for this tax exemption for the tangible personal property tax which is the taxes taxed on equipment that they purchase between january 1st and march 1st and they are planning to the average wage by the way is 74 429 when the county's average wage is 54 801 as well as they are planning to buy approximately 11.3 million dollars worth of tangible personal property equipment by december 31st in 2029 i want to scroll to the resolution to show everyone in tv land including yourselves where i made a mistake and i will have to pay my wife because i made a mistake in number four power systems manufacturing plans to locate a new i wrote aerospace power generation because i'm a pilot it should actually read aerospace and power generation not uh want they're not creating jet engines they're creating aerospace and power generation and with that i'm more than happy to answer any questions the board may have at this time any questions for staff commissioner campy not necessarily for staff are we going to hear from the applicant or if if they would like to come on up if you want introduce themselves you could sit you could do whatever makes you most comfortable i'm john parade vice president and general council of power systems manufacturing psm actually began in stewart about 25 years ago we had since moved to the north end of palm beach county in jupiter and have been there ever since we're outgrowing the facility there we will still be there we're going to grow here for our existing power generation gas turbine business manufacturing and engineering design and additionally aviation and aerospace engines as mr stoke has pointed out can you you said that you were in stewart 25 years ago how long how old is the company the company began in 1999 and so we are celebrating our 25th year this year okay fantastic homegrown martin county coming from factor roos well i would tell you that uh your timing is perfect because um at least in my world uh i plan on focusing on additional industries and um industrial companies manufacturers people that can employ our residents knock down some of the travel time and the road traffic that's required when people live out of the county and work in the county or live in the county and have to go somewhere else so uh it'd be my pleasure first to welcome you and secondly to accept staff's recommendation i'll second it okay thank you sir and with that we do have a public comment um that has been sitting here very patiently tammy and i've already forgot our last name mazota no yeah that's about it would you please correct your name for the uh sammy mazota yeah i just have i think everything sounds great it sounds like a great thing to have a facility up here my question about the employment um how many of these 101 people are actually going to be employed from martin county and how many are going to be transferred up from the jupiter area i think it's kind of an important question to know how many people are going to be commuting up here to a new facility for you compared to how many people you are employing from martin county itself this is not really public comment is kind of a one-way deal it's not really we can okay if staff has the ability or the the um applicant has okay that's fine because that was more of a question i get you so basically then you know my comment is that it's great that they are bringing this up here but if they're not going to employ the actual martin county residents maybe it should be looked at a little better and figure out something a little bit better for martin county and tape tax tax payers so that's it thank you mr chair if you would like i can answer the question the these are 101 new jobs okay not being transferred these are new jobs to martin county um unfortunately we cannot make them hire martin county residents um i mean almost a lot of our workforce comes from st lucie county and then that i don't know what else to how else they answer they are new jobs they're new jobs but that being said most employers not specifically saying these employers but most employers having people that live closer to where they work correct and we have a talented job pool so i mean i would imagine that they would attempt to hire locally and while we're talking about that that that is done through we we are checked when when they when you go through so the next two steps will be they will submit their their state form to the property appraiser who will then analyze their form based on the tangible personal property that they've purchased and then they'll come back before this body i believe after march and i want to thank legal they've helped me greatly through this process as well as the bdb they'll come back before this body for approval and then as a part of you adopting that ordinance there are checks in place where we will check payroll and make sure that they're doing the jobs we we that it's not just we're trusting their word i know it's not i think they're very trustworthy by the way but there will be checks and balances it's not just giving away uh this exemption so commissioner smith i think a way that uh everybody that's listening to this should think about this type of industry um aerospace um at least in my manufacturing background tends to be generational a lot of uh parents that are in the industry that have raised kids tend to gravitate to the same kind of industry hopefully anyway um the reach center was something that we thought about a very long time ago to start considering the aging out of our aerospace employees knowing that probably 10 years ago we were seeing a major aging out period and so hopefully as part of this um this company and others can take advantage of certainly the reach center and and its capacity but also the long-standing aerospace industry that's been in martin county which i suspect is part of the reason why they would come back here in the first place because there is a long-standing history of it all and it's generational and i i think that sets us up very very well for having the continuation of that kind of employment um and so i best wish you the best of luck that it goes the way we'd hope it would go and it'll be welcome to our community okay we have a motion by commissioner campy i think we have a second by commissioner you yes okay heatherington all in favor hi all opposed no motion passes unanimously thank you thank you very much okay back to um the schedule here um department quasi judicial number one request plat approval for the 95 riverside plan unit development um which commissioner her hates uh phase four project you don't have to say that i said it out loud anyway uh n zero two seven dash zero one four this is an example of how we have fun up here and we don't yeah seriously so so and it is um going to be presented by john senate there he is got it finally yes that's you this is a quasi judicial proceeding you would so excited about the name i was so excited i got your name right okay do we uh for one let's uh say do we have any export today if i do their phone if any they've been filed if any of them been filed no party no party if i have any they've been filed okay uh would you please stand and be sworn in raise your right hands do you swear or affirm the evidence you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth we have any interveners no interveners and no notice needed and all the paperwork has been yes i'm turning in my uh work history and the agenda item to be filed as a exhibit one all right i think i got it all thank you all right i'm john senate senior planner with growth management thank you mr chairman good morning good afternoon commissioners i'm presenting the 95 riverside pud phase 4 plat application this is a request by hja design studio on behalf of pulte home company the 95 riverside pud phase 4 plat is to be consistent with the phase 4 final site plan which contains 98 single-family townhomes on an approximately 12.4 acre site the phase 4 final site plan was originally approved in november of 2023 minor technical changes were required to the phase 4 final site plan to achieve consistency with the plat the applicant has requested release and termination of existing access easements these easements are no longer needed as alternative access is being provided within the plat phase 4 of the 95 riverside pud is located at 7439 southwest loss river road on the northwest corner of southwest canter highway and southwest lost river road and stewart just east of the 95 interchange this is an example sheet from the proposed phase 4 revised final site plan showing the layout of the fee simple townhomes the stormwater tracks and the internal roadways this is an example sheet from the plat prepared by caulfield and wheeler laying out the fee simple lot lines review of plats is not required by the local planning agency final action on this application is required by the board of county commissioners in a public meeting pursuant to table 10.5 f9 martin county ldr development review staff have found the application to comply with all applicable regulations in the comprehensive growth management plan as detailed in the attached staff report therefore staff recommend approval of the 95 riverside pud phase 4 plat staff recommended action is to move the board receive and file the agenda item and all attachments including the staff report as exhibit one move that the board approve the 95 riverside pud phase 4 plat and phase 4 revised final site plan including the contract for construction of required improvements and infrastructure move that the board approve the release and termination of access easement and release and termination of pedestrian access easement and authorize the chairman to sign any and all documents necessary to complete the transaction that concludes my presentation i'm here for any questions any questions for staff commissioner heard yeah some a public speaker this morning uh said that this was an inappropriate uh addition to our uh development martin county and this is a very old planned unit development it was first approved in uh 1987 and as i recall uh what was approved for where the now the town homes are being uh constructed was two office buildings 200 000 square feet of office buildings is that am i remembering this right yeah it was it was a use that was just so antiquated and so wrong and so unsellable and so inappropriate and incompatible so if people think that this is is uh inappropriate it's not nearly as inappropriate as the approved use on this property was this so these will actually be those town homes will sell like hot cakes i agree i remember when this agenda item first came it was really like night and day between what was originally uh allowable there commissioner heard's right it was hundreds of thousands excuse me hundreds of thousands of square feet of office and commercial space that was going to generate thousands of traffic trips and this was much less impactful than what would have been there uh when we hear from the applicant i'd like to ask a question okay um the applicant have a presentation or would like to speak to us that'd be great good afternoon commissioners michael houston with the hga design studio those were great comments and right on the money i've been driving by that since 1987 88 we do not have a presentation but we just wanted to express our appreciation for the work staff's done projects moving along you can tell when you drive by there it will be a nice addition to that pud perfect commissioner campy mr houston um we saw the plan there um not putting a gun to your head any idea what the range of pricing is for these i you know this market is so hard to say it changes all the time but i think commissioner heard's comments about hot cakes is going to be accurate it's such a convenient location for so many reasons just wondering not that you know we're trying to market them i think they'll sell on their own just i in my mind when we're thinking about what we approve and don't approve or doesn't even get to the point where it's comes before us is i'm trying to contemplate the different price ranges you know we're still having conversations about quote-unquote affordable or essential housing which are lower price points these will probably be a stage up from that but they're not i would assume they're not six seven hundred thousand dollar townhomes so they fill and there's a hundred of them or ninety eight how many are there ninety eight so approximately a hundred uh that will not necessarily solve a problem but it'll it'll solve a problem for 98 families so i appreciate it yeah and it's got a nice amenity package the river will finally be seen from here i saw the lake was a little park um you know a lot of the things that we left the existing trees in place that as you came around the corner there those trees were left and lit at night i remember the the time it was presented it was a good package thank you denied no it was just okay do we have any public comment seeing none back to the board move approval second well we have a motion made by commissioner heard heard wow you could put that on the sign in front of the place oh my god motion by commissioner heard seconded by commissioner campy all in favor aye all opposed motion carries unanimously thank you commissioners okay yep michael houston okay department number one office of management and budget items which require board approval miss murley look i'm wearing two pins also good afternoon commissioners um stephanie murley here to go over this week's omb item which only has 10 items this week oh yeah scaling back our first item is a permission to apply for the florida department of transportation public transportation grant agreement for the fy 25 section 53 11 non-urbanized area formula funds for operating assistance the public works department is requesting um permission to apply for 176 811 to provide operating assistance to continue the indian town non-urbanized bus route service and there's no grant match required the second item is a permission to accept the indian river lagoon license plate program grant for the indian river lagoon estuary restoration project um our environmental resources division is requesting acceptance of a grant contract in the amount of 60 000 to spawn grow and release two species of clams the grant requires a local match of 20 000 but we will be contributing an additional 40 to for the whole project cost and these funds are budgeted within the indian river indian river lagoon estuary restoration cip sheet item number three is a permission to accept the florida department of environmental protection fdep grant for the st lucy inlet management plan implementation project our coastal division is requesting um acceptance of 3.1 million dollars for construction costs related to the north bypassing project for the st lucy inlet management plan there is a match of 3.1 that is required and that is programmed within our st lucy inlet management plan cip sheet item number four is a permission to accept the fdep grant for the martin county shore protection project coastal is requesting acceptance of a grant in the amount of 199 364 for the design and permitting of the shore protection project at the hutcheson island four mile beach project the grant match of 234 319 is required in its program within our hutcheson island four mile beach project cip sheet do you know if this is the same project we did about eight years ago okay thanks great item number five is a permission to accept the fdep grant for another martin county shore protection project coastal is requesting the acceptance of 2.6 million dollars for the north bypassing project construction costs for the st lucy inlet management plan what's the difference between three and five two oh sorry that was a math test oh so the one project is the uh so we we are the local sponsor for two federal projects the one is the uh uh north or the hudson island shore protection project which goes from the county line to um uh south of stewart beach and the other is the st lucy inlet and our inlet management plan where we bypass sand to uh either north or south and this is related to the inlet management plan but so three and five are the same project three was yes i think yeah why is it two separate grants so it's 5.7 million dollars but it's broken down into 2.6 and 3.1 it's just it's the same project right so one of them is uh monitoring that on goes goes on for several years so that would be a multi-year grant and the other one was actually for i think construction by passing thanks so that grant has approximately a 2.6 million dollar match which is also programmed within our inlet management cip item number six is permission to accept the centers for disease control drug free communities grant our human services division is requesting the grant acceptance of 125 000 for the year five of funding to support the goals of the martin county community action coalition work group which focuses on youth substance youth substance use prevention there is an in-kind grant match of 125 000 for the five-year period which is through a combination of staff time and coalition member time for this grant item number seven is a permission to accept the federal transit administration section 5307 urbanized formula grant this is a grant award in the amount of 1.1 million dollars and this is to provide operating and capital assistance funds to the martin county public transit service um the grant includes 400 000 for the purchase of a replacement bus and there is a grant match of 502 000 required which is a combination of the state public transportation block grant of 335 000 as well as our county match of 166 000 from our transit operating budget item number eight is a permission to accept the e911 state grant for call taker console refresh um this is a capital project that's happening at the eoc this is to accept a grant award of 452 000 890 for the martin county sheriff's office e911 console and it it enables the county to upgrade the consoles for call takers in the eoc there's no grant match required item number nine is a permission to accept the e911 state grant for smart transcription um the martin county sheriff's office e911 is requesting acceptance of a grant award of three hundred and fifty thousand five to forty seven forty seven thousand forty seven thousand eight hundred and sixty nine dollars for smart transcription services which is a cloud-based service that takes the voice audio from 9-1-1 calls and transcribes them into search searchable text transcript and there is no match required on that either item number 10 is a permission to accept the e911 state grant for the geographic information system or gis data services the e911 division of martin county sheriff's office is requesting um acceptance of a grant award of 350 523 dollars that will bring our county's gis data and master street address guide up to 98 accuracy level to improve the delivery of 9-1-1 services to our residents and visitors and there's no grant match required and that is my last item on omb today okay any questions for stephanie who staffs recommendation okay we have a motion by commissioner heard seconded by commissioner heatherington because i heard her first and um all in favor all opposed motion carries unanimously contracts that meet the threshold of the board approval of one million dollars or greater mr mr miss christie brotherton good afternoon christie brotherton chief procurement officer uh we have two items to your consideration this afternoon uh the first contract is for the palm city to landfill and transfer station administration building construction um let's see staff is recommending that the board award the contract to the lowest responsive and responsible bidder which is one call florida in the amount of two million one hundred ninety five thousand two hundred seven dollars and fifty cents um and that move that board approve a cip modification three move that the board approve a budget transfer of one million eight hundred fifty thousand dollars from project number four nine zero four which is relocation of recycling to project number four zero one five admin building construction and last move that the board authorize the county administrator or designee to execute all documents related to this request and the next item is contract for us one and southeast constitution boulevard intersection improvements staff is recommending that the board award the contract to the lowest responsive and responsible bidder which is car construction in the amount of one million seventy six thousand nine hundred seventy four dollars and forty four cents and move that the board authorize the county administrator or designee to execute all documents related to this request and that concludes this item commissioner hetherington i was just going to say i'd like to see when we have seven bidders bidding on projects that's that's phenomenal so commissioner smith competition is good um to the second item constitutional boulevard um uh a former employee who's now helping us on the side uh when we struggled to figure out how we got constitutional boulevard a traffic light on us-1 uh and we were doing the project with mcgarthur and we were trying to figure out exactly how we could move some right-of-way around and their access road around and lisa wixer came up with the idea of taking that piece of that intersection and moving it further south so that we could align it with constitutional boulevard which gave us the ability to have a um warrant approval or warrant study approval so lisa thank you for your um knowledge and ability to make all that happen for the residents down there now if we could just do south river where's constitution all right we all said at the same time we've been talking about that for years when they built the uh it's now where that where that uh dollar general dollar general that's when we started to talk about that dollar general just celebrated its 10th anniversary didn't it i would also say you know in fairness to mcarthur played a major role in getting that alignment taken care of as well with their construction entrance and now converting it into a an access road so um to them as well thank you for all that for our residents did we rule second okay motion by commissioner smith second by commissioner heatherington all in favor aye all opposed motion carries unanimously department number four approval of collective bargaining agreement between martin county and teamsters local 769 for upcoming three-year term and it's the heather and matt show good afternoon commissioners uh matt graham assistant county administrator joining me today is heather dan our risk management hr director so we began negotiations this year with the teamsters collective bargaining that's obviously why we're here and seeking your approval but before we began negotiations we had three key concepts that we wanted to accomplish with this contract one was to be financially responsible two was the recruitment and retention of top talent and three our commitment to no millage increase so we began negotiations in november of 2023 with the teamsters and an overwhelming majority of the teamsters voted for this 98 of them we believe that this contract strikes the perfect balance between addressing the needs of the employees as well as addressing the needs of the county's recruitment and retention efforts so one with financial responsibility every term of this contract was thoroughly analyzed by our budget division and we worked with them within the constraints of our budget and we also believe that this budget is sustainable the second item is for recruitment and retention of top talent you heard from our department directors during the budget workshop that recruitment and retention was a concern of theirs and we're hoping that this contract will address that during 2020 to 2022 even upwards to 2023 we had record inflation high turnover and we believe this is the last step in addressing our recruitment and retention issues the hr department has done a great job you heard from heather and tim on some of the programs that they implemented but again we believe this is the last step to address it and then finally with our commitment to no millage increase when we met with the teamsters they understood that any proposal that they had that there would not be an increase to our millage they originally came in with a 12 increase i think i heard today somebody commented that we were getting 12 increases that's not what we're here for today we're here for a six percent increase or two dollars and fifty cents per hour whichever is greater for year one and for years two and three we're asking for a six percent increase or a dollar fifty per hour whichever is greater again so this contract will address our recruitment retention issues we believe it's sustainable it meets our financial responsibility and the staff is recommending the following move that the board approved the collective bargaining agreement between martin county and teamsters local 769 effective october 1 2024 through september 30th 2027 we're also asking that the board approve the same salary adjustments for the teamsters for our hrm employees our county administrator and county attorney for fiscal years 2025 2026 and 2027 and then finally we're asking that the sick leave provision that we included in the collective bargaining agreement for the teamsters also be included in our hr manual and be available for our county attorney and county administrator so that concludes my presentation and i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have any questions for staff i believe there's no questions for staff okay do we have any well i would just so that the folks at home don't wonder why there's no questions for staff we have had the opportunity to meet individually and since this was a labor negotiation we were able to meet privately as a group one of the very few times that we're able to and ask questions and and speak through some of these ideas and then i had i think all of us had our own follow-up so it's not like we're sitting here just blindly agreeing to whatever the staff is putting in front of us this has been a long process i appreciate the efforts of our union and their representatives that represented their co-workers um which that's not easy and to have a 98 percent uh acceptance rate from the rank and file i think is appropriate and also our teamsters represent the folks our employees um that a majority of the residents see they're the ones that are out there in the community doing the work on weekends on holidays at night in the rain uh emergencies things that happen when you hear hey you know there was a water leak or hey there was a a car ran through some traffic signaling equipment it's these members these men and women that are the ones that come out so they're like lifting up the county at this level so i personally feel they are more than deserving of the salaries uh increases that were given that we are discussing today and i appreciate our internal team for helping put it together i think you have someone else to talk from the union yes all right good afternoon commissioners uh my name is chuck tomey i represent the teamsters here in morton county proudly represent them i gotta compliment you all for putting a great team together on negotiations as we started as matt stated uh november almost a year we knew we needed to get started earlier um the previous contract of inflation uh was more than what they're making so a lot of the members were in a worse financial position um through the pandemic and this contract we knew was going to be a little more expensive than they had been in the past and uh with matt and their team and heather um the matt being previously lead negotiator and our previous negotiations and heather stepped up to this time and the rest of your staff and with don's help and your attorney uh the negotiations went smoothly uh and as matt said we met at middle ground we met at an area where it's good for the county it's good for the your employees it's a it's a good deal for everyone here at hand and uh we're just looking for your support as you said these are the guys out there in the heat making sure the lights are on that it it's nice and cool in here the street lights are working and you know you don't have a backed up sewer at night or a broken main so there's your hard working teamsters uh we appreciate your support hold on one minute and when he's finished oh okay we're good all right thank you mr smith yeah just a a side comment there have been years there have been negotiations where there were outside uh individuals involved in pulling our contracts together and they didn't go so well and we have a remarkable team on both sides that have done great work so thank you for all that you do to make these things happen and with that i would move staff's recommendation second we have a motion by is there any more public comment no no there is are you commenting on this particular item or just okay that's we'll get to you in just a sec let's finish this sorry okay we got a motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner heard uh all in favor aye all opposed motion carries unanimously thank you all right thank you and with that now we go to our do we do our five how do we do this oh we hit he's coming back with the item from this uh okay we have one i don't you uh commissioner heard brought up a um a uh a project that is requesting um um i guess it's in the public comment phase of uh of a draft dep uh consideration for a permit and uh mr gorton is going to bring us up to date of where it is and what this is about thank you jim gorton public works director um this morning during uh commission comment it was brought up about a um permit to dredge an area associated with a river rock community which i wasn't familiar with because it's not in martin county so river walk is this community right here um martin county the line is right here and this is our impoundment uh mosquito impoundment in jensen beach so there are neighbors directly north of us and this community has proposed to dredge um the open water area in this vicinity here um the reason that uh some of our residents are concerned about that is because that same area that they're proposing to dredge has a conservation easement across it so their conservation easement limits their ability to do certain things in there one of them is dredging the the conservation easement does allow for them to apply for a permit to dredge which is what they have done um but they've all it also limits their ability to use motorized vehicle gas powered boats in that conservation easement area so they've requested two things one is to dredge the area shown on the previous image and the second thing is to eliminate that requirement in their conservation easement to allow for gasoline operated engines to run in this kind of natural area that exists right there so there are some um docks that exist around this community and they do have boats real quick that the area that you pointed is natural actually they dredged that wasn't that the issue years ago it was dredged to create the community without a permit is that as i understand correct so i'm just getting up to speed on it so i don't have all of the history on it but it does appear that the conservation easement was created because of some environmental issues that occurred during development associated with dredging and removal of mangroves in that area so that's why dep required that conservation easement to even exist um not in our county not in our county it's directly adjacent to our county we actually do drain into that so our impoundment has some pipes that drain into this area and that's one of the areas that we discharge from our impoundment in addition to the major discharges which go directly into the river so there's really would be two questions that that we'd be looking for board approval to create a letter um which would be do we uh want to address the changes to the conservation easement as far as um allowing motorized vessels that operate on uh gas or diesel and then the second thing is the is the dredging um so it's about l it's about a foot and a quarter deep at the shallowest spot right now in that channel they're proposing to go down to two and a half feet there are some seagrasses in there they've uh i spoke with the dep today about it and they have modified their design to not get into the area with the seagrasses and they also are not going to impact mangroves with the dredge project um dep is close to issuing a permit so if we're going to send a letter it needs to happen this week for sure missioner hurt i i am am still all in favor of protecting conservation easements there's a good reason why there's a conservation easement on this on this property and it's because they did unpermitted dredging so to reward them by allowing them to amend their conservation easement so that they can do more dredging is i think in contempt of the easement that's been put on there so i i would still favor uh writing a letter to dep asking them not to permit the dredging mr smith yeah i would add that oh gosh probably 15 17 years ago uh we went after the 92 acres i think that make up the northern end of this parcel to acquire um and um i think that was a really great thing for us to do it's a really unique um interesting area in both our side and their side st lucie county's side um i know that we have had some issues a couple years ago with the how we drain the mosquito impoundment ditches and so on in there and so the only thing i guess i would recommend when i heard it discussed this morning is that everybody fully understands the ramifications pro or con relative to what they want to do relative to how it may help our situation on our side of the equation given that the mosquito impoundment ditches and what's all involved in that 92 acres um gets the best chance we we and jim maybe you can because i'm not i'm a little bit not 100 sure on on what did happen when we wiped out a whole bunch of that impoundment area a couple years back when we over flooded it or something ended up happening there that probably wasn't the best thing in the world and the mangroves are starting to recruit back at the southern end if you don't go out genston beach causeway you can kind of look to the north and see at the southern end of this all of this area uh what happened in there but i just i would i would i would just express caution relative to us objecting if dep in st lucie county come to an agreement on on how best to manage that whole area it may be somewhat in our interest relative to our mosquito impoundment program i don't know yeah that's why i brought up that we we do have a pipe that discharges in there and if that channel if this channel right here ever completely um filled in then we would have a problem on the north end of our impoundment because that's how we drain that and that is what happened during the hurricane is we had too much water fresh water in the impoundment and that's what killed the red mangroves on the south end of the impoundment we have since made some changes to our impoundment we've created new outfalls and we've also done some dredging ourselves to make that drain a little bit better um but um so we wouldn't want this channel to completely fill in over time so at some point it's going to need to be maintained i tend to agree with commissioner hurt in this case however and i would have to rely on your uh opinion mr gordon are we being unneighborly and will there be times when we're needing favors across the county line from st lucie or port st lucie and they're going to remember that we were not interested in helping them now mr donelson's got an answer for that so this is not an issue between uh county jurisdictions it's the private community or the liberal and and the dep so i don't think there's anything issue with that i don't think there's any problem too with the counties making a stance saying that you don't like the amendments to conservation easements they need to be carefully considered or or shouldn't be changed at all so i think that that's just my input we want it okay did you make a motion i'm just looking at this aerial and it looks to me like the the dredge was completed in order to create the spoil upon which these buildings are sitting is that what i'm looking at or to make water makes them all waterfront that's i imagine that's the theory we're operating i don't have that confirmed yet that's what it looks like here it's it's pretty homogenous in the entire area so it's it looks to me like it's a hundred percent mangroves and they dredged the mangroves in order to create spoil in order to put these buildings on allegedly well why don't we just leave it there we know that the conservation easement was a result of a violation okay how old are these homes uh it looks like it occurred in the 90s and then the conservation easement was edited in 2003 was the most recent update to that so yeah in the early 90s is when it appears that was constructed mr smith i guess the only thing i would add relative to our relationship with our northern county it was brought up this morning out in the central northern part of our county the discussion of how we have connections between our counties and whether this is a private application or not it's still in someone else's county and i think if martin county were proposing something and that which has happened in the past and other counties have stepped in and offered their opinion we didn't think too much about that but i just i i am more conscious about the 92 acres and how the impacts relative to our side of the county will be affected one way or the other pro or con that we somehow make sure that we're able to manage our side of the the county line appropriately i i tend to agree we stand our own lane this is not not uh this is not really if they do this does it adversely affect our property or our interests it won't directly impact the impoundment so um the only thing would be if that completely shoved in it would negative so it would actually potentially benefit us it'd take a quite a bit of sediment for that to occur though my point is this is not this is out of our jurisdiction we should stay out of their business and call it a day anyway yeah i'll make a motion to uh send a letter of opposition to the dep for their for to amend the uh conservation easement to allow dredging commissioner as well as the um gasoline powered vehicle operation as much as i would like to support my colleague i think the evidence that i've heard and the information that i've heard from from our staff and my colleagues uh don't allow me to second her motion at this time i think that some of the information tips the scale for me to stay in my yard i apologize i agree but i know you're making a point as well want to protect conservation um may i make a suggestion could any river lagoon council perhaps i don't know that they would pass a resolution but could we well you're saying this has to happen this week as far as the dredge permit so what they've done is they've broken the two permits they originally was applied as one permit for the dredge and the change for the gasoline operated vessels um they've broken that into the dredge it appears that it's imminent as far as uh issuing that permit and then the uh gasoline powered vessels it will take a little bit more time because that's a bigger ask than the dredging because in in the conservation easement it does allow for applying for a dredge permit so the the two that one's going to happen very soon and then the other the conservation easement modification to allow for the gasoline operated vessels is the one that might take a little bit more time for them to review tell them we're watching so we are taking no action is that the idea well there's a motion that it fails for lack of a second right you're gonna have to announce oh um we do not have a second so that motion seems to fail jim thank you for coming up with all of that so no action means no we're not correct we're staying out of just let them know we're watching their business yeah it's a lot of good information though okay so we have now reached the end of our original agenda except for our 505 budget meeting so we have somebody that would like to to do 505 uh public comment so i would assume it's appropriate to do it now miss williams would you like to come up and speak to us all right take your time because we have two and a half hours to kill yeah two hours to kill yeah you could stop every 15 minutes yeah two hours and 15 minutes commissioners my name is laverne williams thank you thank you for letting me speak um i apologize first for not doing my research to make sure that my comment now is applicable for this day i apologize for the last meeting for not speaking when i should have spoke when you did talk about the issue at hand and thirdly thank you for all that you all do i appreciate you all i am representing today the citizens who makes who who make use of the disadvantaged transportation um i'm asking if you can consider us when you do your budgeting if it's not done already for the 150 000 i'm praying and hoping that that would be at least the amount up until january and that we will move forward as a community to work with marty and disadvantaged transit so in the years to come they can maybe blend together and be a great asset to the community if possible and that was it thank you god bless you all commissioner camping ma'am let me thank you you sent i don't know if you sent all of us but you sent me a thank you yes and it was so lovely that i kept it so thank you very much thank you yes i did yes i think it's important to the community thank you and i appreciate what you okay well we have any more public comment sir do you oh that's not yeah that'll work right two and a half hours we got we got yeah we got come on up just fill out one of the one of the forms uh before you leave and give okay i'll i'll fill it out it was kind of spontaneous i wanted to come just to share a couple things uh but it's really regarding the the budget process and the actual budgeting so i didn't go into a lot of detail on the documentation that was provided but i do wanted to advocate for three things and and one of them is to put as much funding available for educating the public regarding our environment and why it's so important to have green space in our in our county why it's so important when a private landowner decides you know and property owners have property rights of course but they don't really have the right to infringe on others right so if you say you fill in a wetland so it's my property i can fill that and do anything i want or cut down trees you know they don't necessarily understand that it affects all of us in the community and i think that's so important education and that will help us and you're as decision makers uh work with the public better um the other thing is i wanted to advocate for uh fixing some of the existing infrastructure and i can give you a couple of um examples i live over in tropical paradise off um paulson road there and i'm uh recently just um moved in there so my property is on the water on the canal and it's overlooking um the park well we have water and sewer there but there's swales all throughout that that area that is taking the rain water the runoff from the roads and it's going right directly into the water and so of course that poisons the water because there's a lot of those forever chemicals wind up in that and then of course the fish eat that get it and then what happens and we go fishing and what do we get we get forever chemicals so i think that's important to really look at that um and then the other thing is that on the other side there's a lot of um properties are still on well and septic tank and those are close to the water as well and i think something needs to be done with that it's on section one and two back there on off paulson and because that's so close to the water that though that's going to impact that's impacting the surrounding quality of the water and so we all want clean water and air i think that's something whether wherever you are on the development thought process i think we all can agree that we want clean water and fresh air in our community we want a healthy environment and so those are the things i wanted to say can i speak one more minute okay and the other thing is more of an internal thing and i would advocate for as much budgeting as possible for information technology and gis it's so very important to help streamline our business processes internally and it will make a big difference and how the public communicates with your time is up okay thank you very much i appreciate your and um thank you i really appreciate all your work i know that um i'll give you 10 more seconds i really appreciate all your work because i know that you have a very difficult job and thank you for your contributions thank you for coming in commissioner smith as you're walking away i would just add just a i i don't disagree with almost all that you said i think that was very helpful other than we don't allow wetlands to be filled in and so um i just don't want you to leave with the idea that you can do that in martin county and that um i don't want people to listen and going i didn't know that they could do that but just to our our codes our our comp plan we don't allow that i i guess i knew that but you know there's people in my area they don't understand environmental issues maybe we can coax this guy in um i just walked up for a comment no anyway um i did just get the word uh an hour ago that at&t is still on strike so the train station will not be moving this weekend who's on strike at&t who iwa international uh icw international communication workers do so anyway so there it's uh pushed off once again so there's that so we have well you could still be there at five o'clock harry starts cooking bacon about 5 30 i had breakfast there on sunday um at one o'clock so i think we now pause our meeting until 505 correct well we could share stories we could be at 505 okay i'll sit right here all right we're kind of adjourned until 505 thanks are we back on uh ph9 physical um first physical year 2024 2025 budget public hearing and we have stephanie stephanie stephanie stephanie murley i'm sorry i know mr donaldson is stephanie stephanie stephanie stephanie stephanie well i told you we should do shots after five anyway don't say that he's only kidding good evening i'm not um stephanie murley director of the office of management and budget here to present our fiscal year 2025 tentative budget public hearing our first public hearing of the workshop so as part of the truth and millage process the board is statutorily required to hold a first public hearing on the proposed budget and millage rates between 65 and 80 days of the july 1 certification of taxable values provided by the property appraiser's office and that is where we are currently where the little arrow is so the purpose of us being here today is we um the millage rates proposed today have been advertised via the trim notices that property owners received as a result of the budget workshop that we held on july 22nd of this year the board is required to adopt a tentative budget via approval of resolutions for each taxing authority's millage rate and corresponding budgets the substantive issue to be discussed shall be the percentage increase or decrease in millage over the rollback rate and the specific purposes for which ad valorem revenues are being increased as part of the trim process the adoption of the budget requires the contemplation of the rollback rate which is the millage rate that would generate the same amount as the prior year's ad valorem tax revenues less any allowances for new construction in additions to the valuation so pursuant to trim guidelines the county is permitted to have a millage rate cap of a total of 10 mils for the countywide taxing authority as well as 10 mils for the cumulative municipal services taxing units or mstus as we call them the proposed rates for fiscal year 2025 are all within the maximum allowable per florida state statutes the following are the millage rates that were tentatively approved with the budget workshops i'm not going to read them all with each specific millage rate the rollback rate and a corresponding increase or decrease over the rollback rate will be recited with each resolution adoption um our fy 2025 ad valorem impacts the total new ad valorem generated if the millage had remained constant over last year would have equated to just under 28 million but the county's actual ad valorem need based on the budgeted expenditures amounted to approximately 26.1 million which resulted in a reduction of the total millage rate from last fiscal year the ad valorem impacts are as follows on this table labeled budget driver and then the associated impact that we discussed in length at our budget workshop so our fy 25 proposed millage rates overall the county's millage rate decreased by 0.366 for the countywide taxing authority and 1.117 percent for the unincorporated martin county which which comes to a total combined millage rate reduction of 0.624 percent our fy 24 to fy 25 budget summary so the following summary is a highlights the changes from fy 24 to 25 the county's taxable value increased overall by 20 10.04 percent yet the overall budget increased only 5.6 percent this budget includes one additional position for the bocc which the cyber security manager for it which we discussed at the budget workshop and the 12 positions cumulative cumulatively for all the constitutional officers so finally the total total millage rate reflects reduction from 10.0524 to 9.9897 as part of our our public hearing requirement the board must adopt the resolutions for tentative budget adoption the resolutions are not required to be read in full but must state the taxing authority the rollback rate the percentage increase or decrease over the rollback rate and the millage to be levied for fy 25 the board must also call for public comment to comply with the public hearing requirements and that's it for this presentation so if we'd like to call public comment now before reading the resolutions it'd be the appropriate time to do so sure conrad i can't read it you're gonna have to help us out my name is conrad zulauf i live in palm city my wife and her family have been residents part-time at times and we've been full-time for quite a while since 1985 we don't believe the amount of overbuilding and construction that we are now being settled to pay for through this tax increase it's just uh astronomical the roads are crowded and now we're expanding all the facilities to and we are being saddled with paying for all of this construction as taxpayers and i don't have much else to say about it but you know ourselves and many other residents here are tired of the constant tax increases that's all i have to say thank you a tax increase we have a tax increase yeah okay uh sarah hernandez please my first time doing it i have yeah take your time you're good um my name is sarah jessica hernandez um i was sarah jessica black i am born and raised here in martin county um i went to felix steward middle and martin and um now i own a home in palm city um so we do have five acres and cattle and all that so um i'm big on ag so bear with me here also never done this before um good evening esteemed members of the martin county taxing authority and fellow residents i stand before you today to address a matter of the utmost importance in our community the proposed increase in property taxes as we navigate the complexities of our growing county it is crucial that we carefully consider the implications of this decision on our residents and our future martin county is in experiencing unprecedented growth our beautiful community has become a beacon for new residents and businesses bringing with it natural expansion of our tax base according to a recent census based on the internet our county's population has grown up by approximately 10 percent over the past decade new construction permits have increased by 15 percent year over year indicating robust development the organic growth is already generating substantial additional revenue for our county given these facts we must ask is a further increase in our property taxes necessary our homeowners should have shouldered the burden of consistent tax hikes year after year this proposed increase comes at a time when many are already struggling with rising costs of living including groceries utilities health care i know we all know stagnant wages that fall to keep pace with inflation and i understand we weren't closed down for covet 19 but it is still a huge impact another tax increase could be the tipping point for many families forcing them to make difficult financial decisions or even consider leaving our beloved county i know i don't want to that's why i'm still here um now i propose a solution that could provide significant relief to many of our residents expanding the ag exemption to include properties of five acres or more regardless of commercial use this change could offer a tax relief to a broader range of homeowners encourage the preservation of our green spaces within our county as we all know the state park fiasco align with our community's values and supporting local agriculture and maintaining our rural character this adjustment to the ag exemption policy could mitigate the needs for across the board tax increases while providing targeted relief to some of those who maintain larger properties excuse me as a resident i'm also a florida licensed insurance agent i know don't don't shoot me i can attest to the crushing burden though of rising insurance costs in our community many homeowners are facing double digit increases ma'am your time is up reduced thank you i'm sorry thank you okay anybody want to point out that we're not raising taxes i'm going to go back to the slide which shows the amount of increase in taxes in martin county right now military it's that's a reduction yes the way i look at it at point six two percent is the reduction in martin county taxes that uh are real estate so i just wanted to make that that we can control exactly so uh with that moving on to the next step of this process which is the most exciting step are you ready i'm ready okay commissioners um you ready ready all right uh the first resolution to be read uh border county commissioners county-wide taxing authority uh rollback rate is 6.1603 percentage of increase over the rollback is 6.77 tentative millage rate to be set at 6.5776 second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passed unanimously and that was resolution a and we have 20 some more to go uh item b uh resolution item b board of county commissioners county-wide taxing authority taxing authority uh board of county commissioners commissioners fund total 287 million 679 714 dollars second motion by commissioner smith second by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously item number c or letter number c uh taxing authority district 1 ms to you rollback rate 0.0660 increase percentage of increase over the rollback 8.18 tentative millage rate to be set at 0.0714 second motion by commissioner smith second by commissioner hurd all in favor all right motion passes unanimously um item number d uh district 1 ms to you fund total 372,709 dollars 909 i'm sorry 909 dollars motion by commissioner smith second by commissioner hurd all in favor all in favor all right motion passes unanimously resolution item e taxing authority district 2 ms to you rollback rate 0.0828 increase over the percentage of increase over the rollback rate a reduction of 1.69 uh tentative millage rate to be set at 0.0814 second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye all opposed motion carries unanimously uh item f isn't frank taxing authority district 2 ms to you fund total 215 000 even second motion by commissioner smith second by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously resolution item g taxing authority district 3 ms to you rollback rate 0.0377 percentage of increase over the rollback rate 7.16 tentative millage rate to be set at 0.0404 second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor all right motion carries unanimously item h taxing authority district 3 ms to you fund total 234 514 dollars second motion by commissioner smith second by commissioner hurd all in favor all right motion passes unanimously item i taxing authority district 4 ms to you for ms to you rollback rate for ms to you rollback rate 0.0527 percentage of increase over the rollback rate of reduction of 1.33 tentative millage rate to be set at 0.0520 second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously item item letter j taxing authority district 4 ms to you fund total 214 309 dollars motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor all in favor aye motion passes unanimously uh item letter k taxing authority district 5 ms to you rollback rate 0.0754 or reduction of 2.52 millage rate to be tentative millage rate to be sent at 0.735 second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously item l um taxing authority district 5 ms to you fund total 370 000 even motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor all right motion passes unanimously item m is mary taxing authority special district a-61 hutchinson island ms to you rollback rate 0.1814 percentage of increase over the rollback rate uh reduction uh reduction of 0.50 tentative millage rate to be 0.1805 second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously item n is nancy taxing authority special district a-61 hutchinson island ms to you fund total 392,100 second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously item letter zero taxing authority fire rescue fire rescue ms to you unincorporated rollback rate 2.5071 percentage of increase over the rollback rate 6.41 tentative millage rate to be set at 2.6677 seconded by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously letter p as in peter taxing authority fire rescue ms to you unincorporated 76 million seven hundred and fifty nine thousand seven hundred and forty two dollars seconded by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor motion passes unanimously item q as in queen taxing authority county-wide ms to you unincorporated storm water and road maintenance rollback rate 0.5572 percentage of increase over the rollback rate 4.95 tentative millage rate to be set at 0.5848 seconded by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye um motion passes unanimously item letter r's and robert taxing authority county-wide ms to you unincorporated storm water and road maintenance fund total 13 million 468 thousand one hundred and ten dollars motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye aye motion passes unanimously item uh letter s as in steve taxing authority ms to you parks and recreation rollback rate 0.1520 percentage of increase over the rollback rate uh 5.00 tentative millage rate to be set at 0.596 0.1596 0.1596 i'm sorry motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor all in favor aye motion passes unanimously item letter t as in tom taxing authority ms to you parks and recreation fund total uh 4 million thirty six thousand uh three hundred and sixty two dollars nine sixty two huh 962 962 god sorry motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously item letter u as in utility non-taxing fund general unincorporated fund fund total seven million four hundred and seventy eight thousand four hundred ninety four dollars second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor motion passes unanimously item v is in victor uh non-taxing fund building and permitting fund total ten million seven hundred eighty two thousand dollars even second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously letter or item letter number w we want to use for w wilton non-taxing fund impact fees fund total five million two hundred and five thousand eight hundred and seventy nine dollars second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously non-taxing fund special revenue fund total 29 million six hundred and eleven thousand five hundred and twenty eight dollars uh and that was item x as in xylophone second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor motion carries unanimously non-taxing fund item y is in yellow um grants fund total six hundred eighty two thousand three hundred and seventy one dollars second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously move item z as in zebra non-taxing fund other three hundred and twenty six thousand and eighty four dollars second motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously non-taxing fund item double a other capital projects fund total thirteen million four hundred sixty two thousand three hundred eighty five dollars motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously move item double b non-taxing fund utilities enterprise fund total 113 million eight hundred and thirty nine thousand one hundred and fifty eight dollars seconded by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously move item double c non-taxing fund solid waste enterprise fund total forty three million nine hundred and twenty four thousand nine hundred and twenty dollars seconded by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously move item double d non-taxing fund airport enterprise fund total two million seven hundred and eleven thousand dollars four hundred and thirteen seconded motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously move item double e non-taxing fund golf course the first three million four hundred and fifty eight thousand four hundred and nine dollars motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously move item double f non-taxing fund internal service funds fund total forty million six hundred and thirty seven thousand nine hundred and ninety two dollars seconded by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously move item double g trust funds non-taxing fund trust fund total eighty thousand dollars seconded by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously last item double h item double h non-taxing fund community redevelopment area trust fund total eight million seven hundred and eleven thousand dollars and or seven hundred and eleven thousand six hundred and twenty six dollars seconded motion by commissioner smith seconded by commissioner hurd all in favor aye motion passes unanimously and with With that, that concludes this first public hearing for the FY25 budget. You'll see me again in two weeks to do the exact same thing all over again on September 24th at 5.05 p.m. Okay. And with that, we'll wrap it up with commissioner comments. Anything? What's up? I'm all set. I'm all set. You all set? I'm set. Okay. Everybody set? Yeah. Thank you, commissioners. With that, we're adjourned.