And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. First up is the approval of the minutes from the March 27th meeting. It was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. I approve the minutes. Good thing we have the minutes to rely on. Second. I have an approval by Catherine and a second by Cindy. Any discussion at all? Changes? Can anybody remember March? Okay. All in favor of approval, say aye. Motion carries unanimously. Any disclosure of conflicts of interest? No, you don't get to have any. No. You can have a comment in a second. So we're moving on to the public comment section. Does anybody in the public have any comment? Okay. Come on up. There he is. Okay. I was a little confused about the CRA board changing hats. You guys now. So what is your title now? Art in Public Places. Public Art in Public Places. Public Art in Public Places. And when the same people kind of change hats, literally, they just, you know, the same people and everything like that, it brings up a question of any conflict of interest in that as well. Because when you're presenting items or issues or problems or projects to yourself for approval or disapproval. You can go ahead. Okay, Steve. So Art in Public Places is a county program funded by the county. It is countywide. Okay. The Community Redevelopment Agency is what's known as a special dependent district of the county. They're two totally separate things. But they have the same members on it. They do have the same members. However, these members, we have two totally different funding sources, two totally different projects, agendas. They're not related other than if, by chance, an art project happens to be in a CRA. That would be the only. So they don't ever vote on the same thing, I guess is what I'm trying to say. There's no conflict of interest. Is there a better way to explain that? Okay. So, I mean, the, yeah, okay. Now, let me think. So let me tell you this, just to confuse you further. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Wouldn't that be fun? So, in many municipalities, cities and counties, the CRA board is the same as the county commissioners. Yes, and I know that was. In this county, they decided to make that separate. Right. I noticed that because it used to be. That does happen. Yes, it was at one time. Yes. All right. How do these positions on, are these boards filled by public? We volunteer. We volunteer. So you're all volunteering? We're not getting paid. We were appointed. No, we are not getting paid. That's me. Wait for somebody to go, what do you mean we're not getting paid? How is that put up for? So it's an application process. There's criteria that you would have to meet. For example, you would need to be a registered voter in Martin County. If you are applying for CRA board, you would need to have been a member of the Neighborhood Advisory Committee. You would need to have been a chair or a vice chair of a Neighborhood Advisory Committee. You need to live within the CRA boundaries, et cetera, et cetera. So it's an application process. When terms are up, applications, the community is notified, and then the appropriate folks can apply. And those applications go to the Board of County Commissioners, and they appoint. Okay, so if you would want to get on to the CRA board, you'd start off on the NAC. That is correct. All right. Okay. And the NAC, you apply for the NAC on the website? Thank you, ma'am. Steve, what we can do is I can give you my card, and I could give you CRA 101. That would be great. Okay. I appreciate it. Thank you, guys. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. I think we have a future volunteer. I think so. I was going to say, where does he live? You're welcome. He doesn't live in Hope Town. I was going to say, where do you live? That would be Rio. Okay. Any other public comment at this time? Seeing none. Old Business AIPP Maintenance Plan starring Naomi Felix. Your three minutes is up. All right. Naomi Felix again, Community Development Specialist. I am here to present the maintenance updates for Art and Public Places. All right. Our first one is the Live, Learn, and Loggerhead. This art piece is located in Hope Sound. Our vendor we are going with is Sinorama. It's to replace a beach sign. The old one is on the left here. As you can see, it's coming apart. Beautiful. Yeah. So to replace it and add the new post to it is $536. We did move forward with it. PO has been open. And anticipation for installation is Wednesday. So this is a mock-up of how it's going to look. There's a couple edits on the back end. I kind of wanted a watermark to the back. So other than that, this is how it's going to look. We did add our logo. Our old one didn't have our logo. So, again, a couple edits. So it needed to be made. Next one, the Manatee Pocket Gateway. This is in Port Salerno. The vendor is Bill Timblin. The repairs are going to be done right before the Pelican installation. It's looking about $3,400. These repairs will include scrubbing the wood and scrubbing the steel for the benches. He did quote us for, yeah, $3,400 and including the back handrails here, as you can see, at no charge. So we've got to get a little bonus there for them. Naomi, do you remember how many benches there are total there? There is four. Oh, like four. Six in total. So it's like two, four, six. Right, right between each one. Yeah. Okay. Because it seemed like a big number, but I guess for six of them. Yeah, and if you guys recall, we did this just a couple years ago. Mr. Timblin has a different protective. That he says lasts longer. Yeah, that he says does last longer, and he's going to do the stainless steel as well. We thought it was worth moving into to see if that was the case, and also because we do want it to look absolutely perfectly gorgeous for Pelicans. All right, moving along. We have the Grasco Tumbling Towers, the Sun, and Transponder. So this one is located in Downtown Store at the Gazebo. The vendor is Atomic Carrots. They are proposing to sand a top coat of paint, remove the rust, repaint, and reseal the sculptures, each at $14,000. It is a two-week project for each of them, and they can start in September. So I know this is pretty steep, but I do want to open it up to everyone to discuss maybe some other options, maybe doing a temporary exhibit, or maybe looking at another vendor, or I just want to open it up for discussion. I'd like to see us get another price code. Another price code? Yeah, that's really high. And we're just talking about two of them, because there's several of those sculptures. Yeah, there's like six of them, I think. So these are the only two that have those rust issues. And did we not have a maintenance program with Grasco when we took them in? No, he did, he, if you recall, we bought five pieces for $3,000. That included delivery and installation. I mean, it was a really amazing deal. He did some of the initial kind of cleaning and, you know, sanding a little bit, spray paint. I personally don't feel that we should do this. This is, I think, a crazy estimate. They did point out it will be a three-year warranty if we do move forward with that quote. Didn't we talk, and I realize our last meeting was like 2021. Didn't we talk about replacing these, like taking these out of the park and putting something in? Doing something else anyway. Explore that temporary exhibit option that we can look into. I think so. I mean, for $28,000, we could buy something and put it there. I mean, and to be honest, once you get them disassembled and behind scenes, we could probably find somebody to work on them ourselves, even if it's volunteers, as Mia shakes her. Mike, on a Saturday, I think we could do it. So, yeah, that was all I was thinking. I'm thinking an art festival project. Yeah. So, what we'll need to do is Naomi is going to look at some temporary exhibits. Now, those are not inexpensive, I will tell you. So, $28,000 might sound good to you then, but I would not recommend spending that kind of money on art that we are going to put someplace else. I think that we should kick that can down the road a little bit or get, like you said, another estimate or figure out some other way to make them look a little bit nicer while they are there. Because it will take a little while to find something and get that all kind of straightened out. And then we do have to find homes for these. Yeah, I definitely would like to see getting more price points. And, you know, if we're wanting to move these, wouldn't we have plenty of places at the park down in Palm City? That's a possibility. That's a possibility. I mean, anywhere. We can put them anywhere in the county. Yeah. There's a roundabout in Rio. I know, it's got the Eiffel Tower still. I was so impressed. Did you see that that's on the agenda, Mike? Oh, he's good. Well, my other question is, when they reviewed these two, did they review the other ones? I mean, like. So the other ones did also get maintenance done earlier this year. They cleaned and sealed and removed any, as much rust as they could. That one was a little less expensive. It was $2,900. But these two specific pieces are in real bad condition, so they couldn't do much with what was originally quoted. Yeah, and remember the others. One is kind of a stainless steel looking, and then the other one is the raw, the rent. Well, we got the raw. Everybody calls it something different, yes. So they didn't really need anything, and then we have the one, just that one straight, and they took care of that one already. So they didn't need anything. Okay. Okay. Do you feel sufficiently directed? Yep, I do. All right. With that, thank you. Any other questions? Get to work. Thank you, Naomi. Thank you, too. AIPP. Project updates? Project updates. Okay. Fun stuff. So we do have Mia Lindberg here, and she, I'm sure, will talk to us a little bit about pelicans. I'm going to give you some general update information. The pelican project will also be complete by October 1st, which does not mean that we will, again, have the event then, but we will have an event soon after. We are doing our pelican facts and our Salerno history for the signage. We don't know yet how large those areas will be, and I know that I had given you guys some, in your packet, you had a little Salerno history and a little bit of some pelican facts. I don't know if you had any comments to make on any of that. I did get some more information from folks in Salerno about the history. I kind of added it to what we had, so I'm going to pass that out for you guys to take a look at at your leisure, and we will be bringing that to the NAC on August 10th as well because we do need to move forward with that because it will take us a little time to get those signs done. Mia can tell you a little bit more about the signage, but we need to get that done before installation, obviously, in the event because it will all happen at the same time. And Naomi told you what we're doing as far as the maintenance, and I've also reached out, hopefully for the last time, to our structural engineer who should be issuing a report. I believe he has all the information that he needs, and he should be issuing a report for the structural competency of the pelicans, so we'll have that in our files as well. So that's the pelican project, and I'm going to show you a couple of pictures. You can see here's one being moved. This is the guy with the fish in his mouth. There he is. Look how beautiful. Isn't that gorgeous? You can see what it's going to look like next to the water. There's our pelican taking flight. Oh, and the other guy didn't make it in. And I did put him in there, but he didn't make it. That's a really good picture of me. Oh, it is, and I think it's so good. I think you were cranking because it's hot outside. This is our next, that's going to be our next, but I thought I had put in a picture also of the nesting pelican. So all pelicans have been made. They are just about ready, and so we'll move forward on the signage, and I will be happy to take any comments that you guys have on what pelican facts you liked, didn't like, would like to add, any of the Salerno history that you feel needs to be included. I don't know how much we're going to have to cut down, but, you know, anything that you, and you can email me in the next couple of weeks if you've got anything there, and Naomi, if you could. Are these supposed to be separate signs, or are these signs that are going to be on the blocks or what? Yeah. Okay, good. Thank you. There's a whole lot of information here, like TMI. I know. So I'm trying to, I was just trying to whittle down what seemed interesting. Yeah. So if you guys want to make some comments, mark things up, send them to me, what you think is the most important. As far as the history went, that gets tougher because you want, so you have to remember where it's going to be. So it's right there in the pocket overlooking the water. You have to remember that visitors will be reading them. So you want to say something about where they're standing. You know, here I am in Port Salerno. But we also want to be inclusive to all of our communities in Port Salerno. So there's got to be some of different information as well. That's why you have what you have. So I'd love to hear feedback when you take a minute to read that. And Mia, you're on. Mia Lindberg, your artist. The most important thing is there will be three birds, one taking off, one landing, and one with the fish in its mouth. Then there'll be a separate set of three pilings. There'll be a sign up at the top. That one will be telling about the riverfront in Port Salerno. And then there's one down lower on the fourth piling. That'll be about the brown pelican. So we're just trying to determine what size. You don't have a picture of that one? Which one, the nesting? Of the three pilings. No? So we're just trying to determine what size, how much information we have so we know how to make the – they'll have copper backup plates that signs will be attached to so that everything can patina at the same rate. So are the three pilings in a group, like maybe you could triangle the – No, they're going to be – they're pretty much already designed. Like this? Yes. Okay. Okay, so for the signage, the second piling will be higher. Yes. And there'll be a sign that goes up past the first piling. Past the bird? No. There's not going to be a bird. No. There isn't going to be a bird. Just a piling. Okay. And then down at the lower portion, that bottom piling will be lower, and there will be a sign there, and that will be about the brown pelican. Okay, so there's one area where all this information is going to be. Because every time you go to a site – I'll use Hope Sound for an example – there are all these signs sticking up everywhere. Yeah. And so we're trying to eliminate that for you and make people understand about the artwork and about the brown pelican. We don't want there to be signs sticking up that have the information on them, so we decided that a fourth set of pilings would facilitate. And it will be clean and safe, and you won't have a lot of green poles up in the air with signs on them. That's good. What about a QR code? They want everything. Mm-hmm. We probably will have – I'm teasing you. We probably will have an AIPP sign that will have the QR. We can do that. You have any questions? Any other questions? They're just beautiful. The copper tops are going to be a really nice addition to it because the stainless steel and the copper is going to patina at a beautiful rate along with each, you know, each element. And it will – it will start to make them look like they have always been there instead of brand-new shiny objects. Oh, shiny objects, you're over there. We don't want that. We want it to be individual – and the birds are all different. They're not – they're all the same size, but they're all different so that they – so that when you're looking at them, you understand that the three pelicans are separate pieces of artwork, not just monuments standing in there. A question. And, yes, we are going to maintain them. The way we maintain the benches in Rio, we will be maintaining them. It will not cost you for us to maintain them. My concern is the copper. Would the salt paper wouldn't get dark or something? You're not going to – no. You're not going to have any – copper's been there out in the elements forever. And this happens to be half inch. I mean, it's that thick. So it's not like something that's going to wear out. And, of course, we will have all that information for you through Susan so that you know what the downside and the upside of having different types of metals used at that particular site will be. But, you know, copper's been on the top of things by the sea forever. So we should be in really good shape. We would not have chosen it since we are going to be the people maintaining it. That works for us. Any other questions? Just a comment. Just follow on from the QR code. It would allow us to have all the information, particularly about the brown pelican, available just through the QR code. And they could just read the whole thing. And we could just have one sentence so that it just really popped. And the same with about – because the information, I think, about Salerno is also very important and interesting. But, you know, trying to choose what to have there and just have a QR code where you could access it and have two or three sentences about Salerno seems like it would work. Well, you know, that part of the – is so important anyway. And there's been a lot of work by other artists that have gone into the gateway. And so we really – Oh, sure. We need to totally honor that particular area, not just Salerno. Right. I think that the – just in response to you, Rich, I get what you're saying. I personally, as a tourist, when I go places, I don't want to look at my phone. I want to look at stuff. Okay. So I'm not – I would not be the one doing QR codes and reading my phone. I would be looking at what I am looking at. But that's me. The other part is that I believe the NAC is interested in having some signage there that reflects the community. So, yeah. I mean, we can certainly pare down knowing that we have a QR code, you know, option available. Sure. I mean, then I guess adding stuff about the, you know, the artist workshop that's there down in Port Salerno, too, would be pretty interesting, too. Don't they still have that art – oh, that's not there anymore? Oh, I didn't know that. That's a shame. I thought that was a cool spot over there. Oh, you mean at the – yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. I did not know that. Sorry. Never mind. Any other questions? Pelican questions. Yes, please. Pelican questions, specifically if they're within the CRA. If, in fact, you know where that is. Okay. Mia, you might as well stay because we're going to talk about bike racks and benches next. That is our project with the RIO NAC. And there I am looking at the RIO. Mia, I love your hat. That's why I put that picture in there. I love it. So, these – I brought you pictures of the bike racks. So, the bike racks are all tiled, and you'll get to see – I love this skateboard one. So cool. All five bench backs are done. They need to be cleaned and installed, but we did talk a little bit about that earlier. Again, we're looking at our date as October 1st. And look at those. Aren't they beautiful? And all of the bike racks, as you know, match the bench that they will be sitting next to. And they are tiled both front and back. Yeah, she didn't stint, which was quite nice. And these, of course, will be maintained by Mia as well. So, those were all my pictures. We'll do something for benches and bike racks. I'm not quite sure what kind of event we'll do. We've been talking about it. It may be somewhat virtual and somewhat in person. It may be – I don't know. We're coming up with ideas because it's a tough one. It's not one place. It's all over. So, we're trying to figure out how to do that. The one corner where they have all the – you know, I think there's like two or three benches. Right. But those aren't any of the new ones. No, those aren't. No, there are eight new benches and eight new bike racks. And we will be – it's not part of any charges to Martin County or RIO. We will be doing both memorial plaques and pieces that were actually used in the creation of the benches. They will be free to the commissioners, the NAC board, everybody at redevelopment. And the people that are there will be able to pick up as many pieces as they want of whatever it is that – a pelican, pineapple, whatever it is. We'll be free to the community. And we like to do that so that people really feel like they're part of the project, more part of the project. So, we've got to figure all that out. But we'll get there. On a cool day. On a cool day. There you go. Way after October 1st. And, of course, we do maintenance. We do not charge the county for maintenance. We do maintenance. And we will do maintenance on the new benches and the new bike racks because we know our product. And we know how much doesn't have to go into maintaining them. So, it's an easy thing for us because it makes us make better products in the future. It's like research for paint. You find out what lasts longer. Cool. Thank you. Anything else? So, is this appropriate time to mention to me about the shelters? Absolutely. So, I was driving through Rio this afternoon and saw all the beautiful benches and thought to myself, oh, my goodness, in this heat, there's no way on God's green earth anybody's going to sit on any of those benches. And what could we do to provide some kind of shelter, whether it be trees or some kind of whatever? All I have to do is talk to my husband because he's the, you know, he's like a savant. And the minute I say it, he walks around with a yellow pad. But he will have sketches and they will be turned in immediately because that's, he has a, he's very tall and he has a really good eye for that. I'm looking at it like this and he's looking at, he's like six foot four and he's looking at it and he's going, well, the best thing is. So, we will have something for you. It will go to Susan and I can assure you he'll do three different things and you will love. So, we'll look at, we'll look at trees and we'll look at. Either permanent structures or landscaping something. Yeah, but I said, I just, I just thought it would be much nicer for you. So, we'll talk to the experts about that too. Yeah. We did temperature out there standing on the cement. It's 114 degrees. So, we, and we already, I'm sorry that I don't have photos for you here, but we already have photos of children before school was out sitting on them. And, uh, it would be really nice to come up with something that would be available shortly after or when school starts so that they're protected from the heat. Yeah. That's new projects. Yeah. Frank loves it. Oh, God, what can I do? What's new? And thank you so much again. It's always, it's my honor to do the work for you and for you guys to be so respectful and loving to both Frank and I. Well, thank you. Thank you, Mia. Thanks, Mia. Okay. Budget has appeared in front of us. Magically appeared. Don't you love when that happens? I don't see budget on the agenda. This is, this is what we're talking about. I, I have it up there as a visual for everyone. Um, so, I wanted to talk a little bit about future projects and what that will look like for us. So Hope Sound Library Benches and Mural, we talked about some potential projects at our last meeting way back when in 2021 and that was for Mike. And, uh, we did come up, we had a list of a few, I think three or four. One of them was the Hope Sound Library Benches and Mural, which would draw from our mural program funds because it was, that was kind of cool. We would get a mural and we would also have some benches, if you recall. I didn't bring pictures of them this time. They looked like books. Yes. Okay. So I did talk to the folks that have installed those, uh, in another place and they said that they paid about five grand for three of them. Um, I'm sure that it would be a little bit more because that was a couple of years ago. There, I thought that was a great price, right? Yeah. Um, so I would love it if you guys wanted to think about making a motion to say that we would like to take that on as a future project. Um, I did talk to Jen Salas, who's the library director, and she said that they would be doing their renovation there, which they would have to do before we would want to install anything or paint a mural, uh, sometime in fiscal year 2024. So I thought if you wanted to think about that, now we can also do that. I wanted to plan it in your head. Um, we can also make those motions at our actual real budget meeting time, which would be, um, our next meeting in September. So we could do it in September or even in November if we wanted to. Um, but I would like you to start thinking about us putting funds aside for some future projects because we are going to be completing penguins, I mean, pelicans, and we will be completing benches and bike racks. So we definitely want to be able to move on and, and get a jump on, you know, some things for 2024 and 2025. So that's one thing to think about. Um, and the other thing to think about is the, as you can see in the budget, I changed, I changed it just so that you can get an idea of what it would look like. So you can see the murals. We did not spend any mural money in 2023. I moved it ahead to 2024. Um, this is our capital budget. And I also added in the Rio roundabout monies that were left over. So if you, if you recall, we took those out because it wasn't going anywhere. We can reinstate that if we want to. So I'd like you to think about that. And let's talk about the roundabouts for a minute. So there's going to be two. I was just going to say, aren't we getting rid of the one with the Eiffel Tower? We're getting rid of the one with the Eiffel Tower. Boo. Um, but there will be two new roundabouts constructed on, on, uh, 707. The one in Martin Ave will go away. We're hoping that we can keep, um, the mosaic part of it that Mia had done in the past and move that along to one of the, you know, the platform piece and move that to one or the other. Uh, we haven't gotten that far with the developer yet. We did have a meeting recently. We've been talking with them. We did have a meeting recently with some staff, some community folks, uh, rich attended as, um, the representative from public art advisory committee and the Rio NAC. And we had a few of our local artists attend, et cetera. So a lot of ideas were talked about. Um, people seem to be very interested in lighting, maybe doing something, uh, kind of heavy on lighting, something that's a little more avant-garde, not necessarily historical since we do a lot of that, uh, something that would really be completely different from other things that you see around the County. For example, I'll give you an example. I don't know if any of you have been to, uh, Rosemary square in West Palm beach where they have the tree. You guys have not seen the tree. Oh, goodness. All right. I will bring you a picture of the tree. Oh my gosh. It's amazing. Um, and people go there. It's, it's this fabulous, amazing tree that does different things like light up and I was thinking everybody goes there to take pictures and it's like a holiday thing. It's a, you know, celebration thing. It's, it's very cool. And they don't have that. That isn't anywhere else. So people love the tree, something like that. I don't know. Um, we were also thinking that it might be very cool to have the two roundabouts, the artwork and the two roundabouts interact with each other. Like somehow each one is a compliment of the other. Not really sure. Anyway, the developer is looking at, um, and, uh, funding it with $150,000. Um, I don't think that that's enough. So I think that we need to very seriously consider, uh, putting some of our money into it. I am, have every intention of going to the RIO NAC and asking, they have a creative placemaking budget that is, you know, nice to see if they would like to also. So I put that $10,500, that was left over from the project that didn't happen, uh, and want you to think about that as well for our actual budget discussions next meeting. Um. Can I say something? Yeah. You know, the, the developer, when he came and gave us the, you know, the kick for, he claimed he wants to pay for them together. But I remember that. Yes. His budget is $150,000. Well, that's not enough. So you ask him for more because he, he said he are asking him for more. I'm just giving you the facts so far. So far, that's all we have. I don't know because he shouldn't change his mind. He said he's going to take it, you know, the one we've been working with for a long time and he's going to pay for this too. So if he's going to pay for them, why should we fund anything for it? He is going to pay for them. That's how much he's going to pay. He never gave us a price before that. That's the budget they are willing to offer right now. So that's, that's all I'm saying. I don't like somebody promise something and then pull out of it that. Well, he's okay. He didn't promise any monetary amount. No, no, he didn't. But he said he's going to pay for it. Well, I'm not sure he anticipated two roundabouts at that time. No, he said he did not. Not at the beginning. Not at the beginning. That's true. He was already in for two roundabouts instead of one. That did change. Or the jumping fountain that goes from one to the other. Yeah, right. Yeah. Fountains were, fountains were. Airway, like laser. Okay. There you go. I'm like, I'm so on it. Like lights that go over. Right. Yeah. It doesn't matter. We love those ideas. And then, and then our district commissioner is quite fond of fountains. So I, we have, there's apparently a fountain guy. So I'm going to be calling him and seeing what he has to say. Pretty reluctant to have any water features up. Yeah. Water features are tough. Water features are very tough. They're very expensive. They need a lot of maintenance and they deteriorate what's around them because that's what water does. So that's where your big maintenance costs come in. And, and I, and I'd also like to say, you know, we are moving ahead now, adding a lot of pieces to this inventory. And I think, um, I am thinking that next year we are going to have to go back to the board, um, and talk about raising our fund level because we, we've got to maintain everything. So it was easy when there were not easy, but it was affordable when there were just, you know, 13, but now we've got, you know, 25. So things, we've got to keep all of it looking, looking good. So that's, that's an option for next year as well. I've been giving that some thought. So the message then of all of this for me is to start thinking about which projects you are interested in doing, um, which you believe we can do, you know, we, we can actually accomplish. I think that's important. And what's going to give us nice visibility libraries are always great for that. Um, and, and then you can look at, uh, the numbers and see how you think we might get there. And that's all I have for today. Okay. Any other questions, comments, concerns, Nancy, do you have anything to update us with Martin Arts? Come on up, Nancy. Hold on real quick. Moving into the public comment section. Sorry, Mike. Um, I have one question and then I've, I can do two quick updates. Um, but I know that you were putting in a position in the budget for historic preservation and art in public places. How did that fare? So we talked about that last meeting. It made it through. Okay. Made it through the, um, tentative approval. So I, I think that we're going to be okay for September. Terrific. Um, so arts fest this year, we are receiving a grant from the division of arts and culture, a specific cultural project grant, and it's going to bring, well, at least two new components to arts fest this year. Uh, one is we are be hiring a mural artist to work with middle school students, go into the schools to have them learn about creating murals in chalk and then doing a chalk art competition at arts fest, um, which would be a very natural place to, um, connect with the art and public places booth. Um, and then, and we'll open that up, not just to the middle schools during arts fest, but other groups as well. And then we are also doing a series and we don't have all the specifics yet, but a series of three pop-up events leading up to arts fest that brings basically components of arts fest into our neighborhoods and communities. Uh, we've been doing listening sessions. One we had in Banner Lake, one we had in East Stewart, we are having another one in Indian town, but to kind of guarantee that there's access to the arts and the communities, what the big thing that we're hearing is nobody knows what's going on. And I think you look at the lack of public news or a real newspaper of any sorts that actually covers any news, um, you know, where do you get information from? And what we're hearing is, you know, a super grassroots effort to tell people about what's going on will help raise the level of attendance and audience at all the different events. And so, um, we of course would invite you to participate in those too, as we get those nailed down and scheduled. Thank you. Thanks, Nance. Any other public comment? I'll go by name. Julie? Nothing? Mia? Nothing? Any member comments? You're all commented out? Okay. Staff comments? Uh, just to say that we'll bring you better numbers for some of the projects that we talked about, better estimates so that you can make some decisions. More worldwide landmarks is what we're looking for in Rio. I do have a question. Do we have a, is there a statutory requirement for us to spend a percentage of our art budget on maintenance versus new art or anything? So, so pretty much, yeah, pretty much the way we do it is, is the 30,500 goes to capital. And then I think we do 5,000 to maintenance each year. And then the rest of that for administration. But we have the flexibility to. Yes, we have the flexibility to change that if we want to. If something particular comes up and let's say we don't have a high maintenance cost that year, yeah, we could. Come on down. Because everyone at home wants to hear you too, Mia. Back to the artwork by Martin Arts. That is staggering and ridiculous, the amount of money. Yeah, agreed. And so, you know, if it's going to be moved, it would be pretty easy to do the repair work on it. And if it isn't going to be moved, it's still going to be pretty easy to do the repair work on it. And it's just car paint. The artists use spray paint. So, I mean, it's so far. Depends on what kind of car you drive. When Bill gets back in town, he has not. We actually had asked Bill for, he didn't get around to giving us an estimate, but we do have someone else that we're, Bill, who's going to do the maintenance down in Manatee Pocket, is going to give us an estimate. And he also saw them. We went and we viewed them before he left town to go to North Carolina. So, that, it's like, I'm just, I can't even think with that number. No. Neither can we. We'll sell the pieces. It can be done, and it can be done at a great, low price and done right, where you're not going to have to, you won't have that problem again. Right. You know, that's the, originally something was not done right that that started happening. Because I'm a metal artist. And I can tell you that it starts at the beginning. I was going to say, that's probably why we got them so cheaply. So, I'm looking forward to him being able to review them for you. Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else? All good? All right. We can adjourn this meeting. Have a great evening. See you.