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Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee - Oct 20, 2026

Jacksonville, FL City Council October 20, 2026 44 minutes
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Good morning. If our council members will take their seat, we'll get started. All right, it's 9 o'clock. Good morning and welcome to the TEU committee meeting for Tuesday, October 20th, 2026. We'll begin with introductions from my left. Good morning, Garrett Dennis, Administration. Stephen Libby, Council Research. Carla Schell, Office of General Counsel. Edward Linsky, Council Auditor's Office. Good morning, Monet Holder, At-Large Group 1. Good morning, Matt Carlucci, At-Large Group 4. Ken Amara, City Council, District 1. Good morning, Jimmy Peluso, District 7. Good morning, Raw Areas, District 11. Good morning, Reginald Gaffin, and Julia, District 8. Good morning, Nick Howland, At-Large Group 3, just popping in for about 15 minutes. Thank you, Mr. President, for visiting. Our Vice Chair, Jacoby Pittman, has been excused from today's meeting. We have a couple of actionable items. Item 1, 2026-0748. Item 2, 2026-0755. Item 3 and Item 4 have been deferred. And Item 5, 6, 7 are on second read. This morning, we have a presentation from the UF folks, University of Florida. As you know, Jacksonville is now part of the University of Florida community. And during their ribbon cutting, they made a presentation of Twin Jacks. I had the opportunity to see it. It's very impressive. It's going to be, I think, a very valuable tool for the city of Jacksonville as it plans its future development. And so I asked them to come this morning and share Twin Jacks so that we can get kind of a bird's eye view as to what it is. Gentlemen, would you, you've got 20 minutes. Please introduce yourself and make your presentation. Thank you very much, Mr. Amaro, for the invitation. My name is Jeff Carney. I'm a professor in the School of Architecture and the director of the Florida Institute for Built Environment Resilience. My colleague, Chang-Jae Chen, is a professor in city and regional planning and a research faculty member of Fiverr as well at the Institute. And so we're here today to introduce the Florida Digital Twin program and, more specifically, the Jacks Twin that we have built for the city of Jacksonville. So real briefly, myself, Carlos Aldana Ochoa, who is unable to be here today, and Dr. Chen. And in our broader team, you can see here. So what is a digital twin? Ben, real briefly, and we'll show you all of what we've done with Jacksonville, an urban digital twin is a living digital model of the city that brings together its buildings, its infrastructure, its environmental systems, transportation, all of the data together to really enable us to make better decisions and to visualize the relationships across those different sectors. And so we've been working on the Jacks Twin for about three years now, really looking at the transformation that the city of Jacksonville is going through currently, through growth, and really helping, hopefully helping to understand how that growth can happen, how we can become a more resilient city in the face of the hazards that we face through flooding, through the challenges of transportation, through the challenges of transportation, traffic systems like that, and how this digital twin can help us to enable the future that we're all looking towards. So the platform that we've built converts a range of different ideas and really ingests data from a whole range of sectors, whether it's transportation, whether it's the physical environment, the topography, the bathymetry, sea levels, flood, storm surges, housing information, data, data demographics, all of that information, all of that information, BIM, building information models, are all pulled together through the twin. And that twin really allows for a kind of legible graphic interface so that we can not only have the data and the spreadsheets and the information modeling happening, it actually visualizes that in real time. And so Changjai is going to walk us through a couple of the real specific products that we've developed, a lot of which is in partnership with JTA. We've been working with JTA for over a year now. Jason Montgomery here has joined us from JTA on some transportation-related models. So this particular application you are looking at is a genetic AI system that deals with two sometimes contradicting goals. One is to serve the community with people without cars or poverty or doesn't have a disability to travel by his own cars. And then the second is the transit operation must be very on-time performance. So the AI agents are looking at these different goals and come up with operations and suggestions that could improve the performance of the transit system. This second example, looking at water quality in the water bodies across Jacksonville. We're looking specifically at the E. coli concentration in the water body. As we know that E. coli is a bacteria that could cause gastrointestinal diseases, but it doesn't allow monitor by a sensor. It only can be counted in the lab. So what we build is a machine-learning-based model that can use proxy variables such as water temperature, pH value, and salinity to predict the E. coli concentration. So this serves as an early warning system that if there is a potential break, we can be the first to get a notice. This here looks at how we can create three-dimensional cities in a more efficient way, utilizing generative AI models. So here is an example you're seeing. This is in Cedar Key, but the idea is the same, that we can grab an image from Google Street View and then utilize the AI model that is on Hypergator to convert that to a 3D model. And then we can bring that into geo-referenced base maps so that every building is located and correctly scaled to its real-world location. So here you will see that the models pop up. This allows us to quickly populate big cities like Jacksonville, and we have a comparison side-by-side between the generated model and the Google Street View. You can see it closely resembles the real condition. And this last case is on regionalization. It's a tool allowing us to do more targeted intervention, finding the issue, whether it's storm-related, flood-related, or it's bacteria-related. We can go beyond the traditional census blocks and census tracts to better target the region that has a problem. This utilize a general machine learning model to look at variables across the different perspectives to consolidate the regions together. So here I have, I'm going to go to the Jacksonville Twin to give you a quick look at what it currently stands. As Jeff mentioned, we have started building this system since 2024. So there are a lot of functionalities, but really it is about how we can engage decision-making in a meaningful way by combining all of these datas into this single system so that you have a single source of truth to rely on. So we have a bunch of tools that allows us to look at different locations of the city where you can see the models are photorealistic and take some time in here for it to load. But anyway, we can also simulate the weather conditions so we can connect the weather forecasting and prediction data into here so it actually can simulate that rain or heat or temperature conditions. So here, anyway, the map is interactive, we can really look at specific scenarios that are of your interest. So, for example, I can turn this panel up and go to selection and we can select the area of interest. For example, maybe this corner here, this intersection here. So the interactive selection allows the information to show up and look at the specific pie charts and statistics that are of interest. So every single building that you see from this, we have covered about 32,000 buildings in Jacksonville, so it has attributes attached to them. For example, if I click on this building, it should pop up a window with the parcel ID information, the justification value, and the year-built information. We also create a new tool that allows us to visualize and analyze the extent of urban heat island effect. So let me navigate to the new UF Jacksonville building, which I should find it here. So we can create an area of interest by selecting, I'm just going to roughly draw this area. So what this tool allows us to do is to simulate the sunlight and that is the shadow casted by buildings and trees to better understand the conditions of heat and imagining walking in the downtown area. We can also add new conditions, such as build a new tree, how that would impact the performance on the sidewalk. Last but not least, I just want to show, this is a JTA, we work with JTA together utilizing their data. One particular case I want to show is the mobile app data from the riders. So here I can pick a particular rider, as you can see, because each rider has a different fire tab. So we can find college students or senior rider, and then these are some riders that are anonymized. And let's look at this rider one, because he took a lot of rides. And we can pick a day and pick maybe on a Sunday. And what we can do with this is to visualize how this individual rider uses the system across the day, so that allows us to better understand what is the rider's need and better prepare the service that can take them to where they need to go. So because of the mobile app data is tracking at each bus stop and when people get on and get off, so this allows us to do this kind of visualization and then zoom in further to see, for example, in this location, we can see what are the potential reasons for people to travel there by connecting this data with the point of interest data. As you can see here, there are some healthcare facilities, restaurants, and furniture stores. So I'm going to wrap this up here pretty quick. Just by stepping back for a second to understand where we're going with this. Where it came from was the UF Strategic Initiative grant three years ago, and that led to the concept of Florida Digital Twin, which led us very quickly to focus in on Jacksonville. We've been continuing with that work through UF support, and now we have another grant with the UF Jax campus. And so we have a lab in the UF Jax. We have two staff, full-time staff members working on this project. And so there's a lot of energy really focusing in on Jacksonville as well as the Florida Digital Twin. And so to put that in the context, and I think this map shows it, is that Jax is our biggest project by far now, but we really do see this as a statewide effort eventually. The vision for the program is a statewide research and development program integrating the power of AI, IoT, sensor networks, geospatial data, and rapid scenario design really to transform Florida from a state at risk to a state that's really prepared for that risk for transformation in a short amount of time, focusing on product development, on serving Florida's communities, Jacksonville being number one, and then really how we're measuring that impact at the university. We're training students, training the next generation of researchers. A lot of the work is product development, and so I want to lay this out specifically in terms of a platform. So Jax Twin is a platform, and in a sense it's like Microsoft. It is the platform in itself, it doesn't necessarily solve the problems. It takes Microsoft Word or Excel to solve the problems. And so the partnership with JTA is one of those products, right? It's the tool to solve very specific projects. So what we've shown you is really the platform, and what we're looking for now is the specific products, the specific problems to solve. And so with this platform we can think about health impacts or walkability impacts or storm surge impacts, bring the right people together, get the right data into the twin, and then analyze and solve those problems. So that's, I think, really the next step of where we are. As I said, we're reaching communities across the state and really achieving impact through our education programs, through the work we're doing here at UF Jax. We're teaching a studio right now utilizing the digital twin on the Skyway system, reimagining the Skyway. And so some of the future possibilities, all of these future possibilities are possible if we have an interest in getting to these questions, whether it's modeling very particular or specific what-if scenarios across a range of topics, transportation, housing, costs, flood, green infrastructure, heat island effect, all of these things. Looking at dynamic weather conditions, forecasting temperature and precipitation. Right now that is static data, but we could move this to be a real-time updating system so that weather events would be reactive, that the model would be reacting in real-time to weather conditions at that moment. Enhancing exposure analysis of hazardous storms for efficient emergency preparation. How do we potentially, in a storm event, mobilize resources across the city is something that we absolutely think this tool could be used for. And we really think, at this point, we've done, as Chunji said, about 35,000 buildings in most of the downtown area. We can see this growing across the entire city, across Duval County and beyond. We think we're really positioned right now with our move to Jacksonville. We're spending a lot of time here, and we have staff here in a space, a lab. Our institute, Fiber, has connections across the city and really hope to expand that. I think we're in a great position to work closely with the city. We've been working on this for a couple years, and I think now that it's a live tool, it's time that we really want to get it in your hands. So we're really happy for the opportunity to talk today. So I'll leave it at that and open it to questions. Thank you so much. Again, to me, it's very impressive with the problem-solving attributes that are associated with this and the potential of synergizing what it has to offer in those areas of construction, transportation, resiliency, environmental. I just, it's the future. And so, again, thank you for your presentation this morning. We have a couple of folks in the queue. We have Councilmember Carlucci. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Well, you guys are speaking my language on resilience. And being with the University of Florida, you're just here. This is already showing the value of the partnership and the value of partnering and the incentive that we invested to get you all here. My big question is, resilience to me is the least spoken about but biggest issue facing the state of Florida, this country, but locally here in Jacksonville, we have 1,150 linear miles of coastline here in just this city, in our county city, consolidated. Have y'all collaborated and spoken with our Office of Resilience in Anne Connelly's? Oh, yes. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Y'all had made that connection. This young lady in that office have won awards throughout this country for their work. And I am real happy to hear that y'all are working together with our office there and keep working on it. Because I'm in the insurance business. And so I'm a one-and-a-half, I'm a first-and-a-half responder. So when the storm has gone over, I am out in it immediately because my customers are flooded. And with my company, we respond and we handle claims from the get-go. And so I'm out in the floods, I'm out in the water and helping my policyholders. And Matthew and Irma, we hadn't been flooded until Matthew and Irma hit. And it stunned our community, our city. It stunned downtown. And people had, for the most part, no idea we would get flooded like that. And so I think what y'all are doing is a great service. I think the message, though, still needs to penetrate more into our local community with the people. To know even the little things they can do to make their homes more resilient. Putting air conditioners up on metal stands, you know. And I saw what you were doing with the neighborhoods and the homes and all that. But I just want to commend you. It really does my heart a lot of good to see what is happening and how y'all are already making a difference. With joining our community, your college, the university here, spoken as a Seminole fan, who supported y'all 150% to be here. Congratulations. Thank you for what you're doing and for making this presentation. Mr. Chairman, thank you for having them here this morning. Thank you, Mr. Carlucci. It's a great thing. And what you're going to do for downtown, just, it's all good. All good things. Thank you. I want to go to Council President Howland. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate it. This presentation couldn't come at a better time for our community. As you know, we're struggling to pull JTA out of both a financial and operational crisis. And recently, as part of their get well plan for their financial crisis, they had to implement a number of measures. One of which was reducing the fixed route, bus routes, sorry. And in doing so, I wonder, did you assist them in optimizing, developing kind of an optimization plan to reduce costs and yet increase efficiency to get people to their doctor, to their workplace, to the grocery store? Were you involved in that effort recently in reducing the fixed routes for our buses? Yeah. We are involved. We are working with the JTA team specifically on using, utilizing their data, trying to see what is the optimized service. And particularly around issues that people, their Title VI analysis that when a bus needs to change the routes, it needs to calculate how does that impact people without cars, people in poverty, and people need alternative types of transportation. So this tool really allows us to see these different types of users and making sure that the best service is provided. Thank you. And not to get in the weeds, but getting in the weeds is critically important here in your analysis. In your 32,000 buildings that you've identified in the downtown overlay where you optimize bus routes, do some of those include critical infrastructure buildings for Jacksonville families, like how to get to hospitals, how to get to grocery stores, how to get to our kind of largest workplaces? Is that factored into the model? It's definitely, we haven't done all of that yet. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's the kind of specificity that it can build towards. I mean, right now the 32,000 buildings are squares, they have the data from the city's data sources, but having specific questions about that kind of thing, you know, what buildings do we need to connect better, is exactly the kind of question I think. Fantastic, and so I imagine that you're going to be heavily involved with JTA because this fall they will be working through their plan for the next budget year in how to optimize transportation for Jacksonville residents. So this council, chaired by Councilman Miller here, will be hosting a select committee that we'll eventually get into probably by mid-November, looking at optimizing transportation for Jacksonville, reopening the local option gas tax projects, and looking specifically at where we could deliver the best available transportation for Jacksonville residents. I hope you're actively involved in that conversation, and we hope to see you again as we move forward in that process. Thanks. We hope so, too. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hamlin. Mr. Peluso. Thank you, Chair, to the chair, to the presenters. Thank you so much for this. You know, I've had a number of people talk about this kind of application in other cities and other places, and I'm grateful that you did this. One of my questions about utilities and the stuff underneath, AT&T, you know, Verizon, it's just all these different groups are underground. There's even a rumor that there's a train underneath the Wells Fargo building or the old Independent Life building. The question is, I've heard from a number of developers and people that the expectation is, okay, there's a certain plot of land here, but as soon as you start digging, you find wires and pipe and stuff that they didn't expect. Are you working kind of with the private sector to find out what's underneath and how that's properly mapped, things like that? I mean, especially as we develop our downtown area, and as UF comes into fruition in the downtown area, I'm sure you're going to be digging up some stuff over by the old train station, and you're going to find all sorts of stuff. So is that kind of something you guys are going to be working on, or how does that work? I think that's a great use of the tool of gathering and sifting through data, because I can imagine some of that data is on paper in a basement somewhere, and other parts is in GIS from 15 years ago. So the tool has the ability to connect graphic data, vector data, all of that together, and sort of ingest it into a legible tool. We've talked to the DIA, we've been talking to different groups, Jack's Council, different groups that are involved in development. That is, I mean, so I think for us is getting the kind of coalition together that can advocate for the use of the tool with those groups. So we haven't been talking specifically about that, but we'd like to go. Sure. Thank you. Oh, no, I just had to follow up. Through the chair. Yeah, I mean, as the Gateway Project, you know, the Pearl District is kind of evolving. You know, I think that they've dug up some stuff and realized, where the hell does this go? And people just didn't know it was underneath. So even just working directly with some of these larger developers that we know are going to be doing large-scale developments, working with the Jaguars, right? You know, at some point, they're probably going to be digging up all sorts of stuff over there, and just try to get as plugged in as you can early, I would think, to help let us know what's underneath. And I don't know if you've got some fancy technology that can hopefully figure out where some of these lines and old utility material goes. You know, that would be very beneficial, I would think. I think the benefit of working with the UF community is the expertise across all range of topics. So there are particular technical sensors built to detect underground wires and pipes. So it's definitely a possibility. I think the digital twin is the kind of coalescing platform for all of these different data to talk to each other. So we are more informed in the underground . Thank you, Mr. Arias. All right. Thank you, Chair. Great presentation, guys. I have a few questions similar to Mr. Peluso. One was JA, and my question would be this model. Can you guys also replicate it so that we could look at affordability for when it comes to, like, utility consumption for households? So we could also see, like, a five-year plan as to, like, how we can work with JA to not only reduce the rates but also make sure that the homes are more efficient and for the consumer as well? Yeah, and we actually have a parallel project. One of our researchers, Lisa Platt, is working with JEA on their DOE grant to reduce household energy consumption. And so we're working at this is the large scale of what we do. We have that at the household scale that she's been working on, household, material, health-related, so that, I mean, even down to the potential health impacts of natural ventilation and a functioning air conditioning system. So there's a whole range of components that are being developed or we're looking at, too. Okay. And then, Leslie, I'll wrap this up very quick, but I'm curious to see, I mean, this information is great, but obviously it's based off of what we feed the agentic agents, right? So do you guys have this platform close to only your team, or can one of us also tap into it, or do we have to go to your lab? Because I'm curious to learn more about this. I play with, not play, but I work with AI on a daily basis, like five hours out of my day working on different things to improve my business or whatever the case is. And this model is pretty interesting, but do we have access to it or do we have to go to your lab for that? It is available. It's password protected right now, so I'm going to turn that over. When are we going to make this? Or can we share passwords with particular people? Yeah, yeah, we can create access for you. Sure. I'll reach out to you guys individually because when we're looking at JTA, obviously Council President just spoke on that, but I'm also looking at ways to not only improve the routes, but also shorten the time spent. And one of the things that I saw that I didn't see was how long that model, that individual, you showed how long they were waiting at those stations. That person did a trip 13 times on Sunday, right? I want to know how long did they spend waiting for these buses, right? So, obviously, we've shortened the routes because of what's happening, but I also want to see a model that projects, okay, this is only a five-year plan. In five years, we should be able to bring these routes back and also more, whatever the case is. So I want to also project not just only to work on what's happening, but also see what's a good outcome for our city and for our riders as well, too. So I'll be working with you guys on this. So thank you for the presentation. Great job, guys. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Arias. Just a quick question for me, and it wasn't clear in reference to the mobile app for bus riders. Is that live now or is that in development? That's the tap. That's how they get on. When they get on, they tap. Through the JTA app? Yes. Okay. Alrighty. Thank you again for coming in this morning with your presentation. Thank you all very much for being here. Thank you, sir. And while we're turning to our agenda, I want to congratulate Mr. Patrick Zalupski, Ken Babby, and all the others that are sharing in the ownership of the Tampa Bay Rays. They're heading to the World Series, which would be nice if they can bring back that nice piece of Tiffany called the Commissioner's Trophy. It would be great for the great state of Florida. So congratulations to the Tampa Bay Rays and all of their parties. All right, committee, if we turn to our agenda, we'll deal with agenda item one, 2026-0748. Can I get a motion? Through the bill. Any discussion? Open your ballot and let's vote. Six yays, zero nays. By your actions, you've approved 2026-0748. Item number two, 2026-0755. Can I get a motion on the amendment? Can you explain the amendment? Through the chair to the committee, the amendment clarifies that the funds appropriated pursuant to 2025-186, which also went to this traffic calming activity, would be included in this expanded scope for allowed use. All in favor of the amendment, any opposition? Amendment passes. Can I get a motion on the bill? Any conversation? Any discussion? Open your ballots. Six yays, zero nays. By your action, you've approved 2026-0755 as amended. Item number three has been deferred, 2026-0777. I asked Michelle to explain. Through the chair to the committee, this item is concerns and appeal filed by Jacksonville Homes of a written decision by the Director of Public Works. There will be a quasi-judicial hearing at the next TEU committee meeting. This week, I'll send you a memo outlining this. It will be very similar to things that some of you have seen in LUZ, those types of appeals in which you declare ex parte, and all the regular quasi-judicial procedures will take place. If you have any questions, please reach out to me directly. Thank you. Thank you, Michelle. Item number four, 2026-0779 has been deferred due to the Planning Commission. Item number five is on second, 2026-0799. Item number six, 2026-08-01 is also on second. Item number seven, 2026-08-03 is on second, and that concludes our agenda. Any comments from committee members? Go ahead. I'm sorry, Mr. Carlucci. Okay. Mr. Chairman, I had someone ask me in the audience today, and maybe somebody else here as well. If, about JEA and about their rates, and they're going up and so forth. And I know they, or I think they've been before us before talking about that, but I thought since we are the appropriate committee, it might not be a bad idea to have them come before us and just explain, again, why the rates are going up and in relation to the challenges that they face. And it might be an appropriate time to do that. I don't want this to be a confrontational thing. They are an independent authority, and I think it's very important for us to respect that. The very reason they are an independent authority is to keep the politics out of it. I don't think the council should put together any kind of investigatory committee on it, because that just, particularly at election time, because I think that does nothing but injects politics into it, which was the very reason the founders of consolidated government made them an independent authority, so they could make difficult decisions at difficult times for the right reasons to keep the authorities afloat. But I also think that they, it would be well for them to perhaps give us an explanation so that the public could understand and could know. I don't think that's a bad idea, but I leave that up to your discretion because I'm not sure the last time they came up here. But I'm just speaking on behalf of myself and also some folks that I spoke to prior to the meeting, Mr. Chair. So just wanted to throw that by you for your judgment. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Carlucci. We'll complete the dais before we go to public comment. Mr. Arias, you're next. All right, Chair. I want to commend you, first of all, on a few back-to-back great meetings. You've been having. The presentations have been awesome. I'm learning a lot. Also, to what Mr. Matt Carlucci just stated, I know one of the first meetings we had in TU was talking about JAA, and we said that we'll bring him back. As Mr. Matt Carlucci just stated, I think the time is now. Obviously, being that everything's happening right now, so I would encourage that. But once again, I really just wanted to get on the queue to commend you. You're doing a great job. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Mr. Peluso. Thank you, Chair. Now, I do want to agree with Council Member Carlucci, and I'm glad Council Member Arias kind of, kind of echoed that. I think it would be wise. We did talk about that in the past. We would have JAA come out here and kind of properly explain, you know, where their logic comes from. Sometimes I think people don't recognize the purpose of an invented authority. You know, they have their own board, everything else. The other thing I want to make sure this body knows is we are filing, myself and Council Member Gaffney are co-introducing an emergency piece of legislation to provide additional utility assistance. The utility assistance is going to help folks as we're in this very tough economic time. You know, the rate increase, you know, came because JAA basically had been telling us for quite some time, hey, we need to step up our rates. Otherwise, we're going to put ourselves in financial duress. However, our good friends in Washington, D.C. have made sure that gas prices go up to such a level that it's really hurting the common person. And I believe that now is the time to make sure that we have programs available to people where we can help. And I think utility assistance is a very easy, an easy one for everyone to understand. It's something that's in the purview of this city council. And so we're going to be filing this bill. It's going to be putting, hopefully, a good amount of dollars out there to really help working families right now in a tough time. So please be on the lookout for that. It will be an emergency piece of legislation and it's going to dollars are coming out of the reserves. So it's going to be one of those things where it could be contentious. But I believe that enough people see the value and understand where we are in this economic state and where we are in our city to do something. The last thing I want to bring up is tonight at 530 at the Ritz Theater. UF is going to be hosting with the La Villa Heritage group that's a part of the Downtown Investment Authority. They're going to be talking about the UF campus. And so I still think that there's a little bit of a conversation that needs to be had about the La Villa community and the legacy members that want to make sure that this UF campus properly integrates to the history of La Villa. So if you have time to come, it's 530. I think it will be a pretty open, you kind of walk in, you get to see what the designs look like. And I just think some of the community members and some folks are looking to see something that looks a little bit more like it ties into the La Villa community. So if you've got time to come by and take a look, it's 530, I think, to 7 over at the Ritz Theater, so right down the road. Also, if you haven't been to the Ritz Theater in a while, they've got their exhibit where they've kind of built out sort of a look of what old La Villa look like. It's beautiful. It's great work. And obviously a public museum. Thanks so much. Thank you, Mr. Peluso. Now to a public comment, Mr. Carnell Oliver. Two minutes, 30 seconds. Yes, my name is Carnell Oliver. Address is on file. Look, I'm going to use 748 as a talking point for reconstruction. Everything is falling apart. And you know it. The population growth in this city is overpowering this outdated structure of government that we have. And you know it. And there are old gatekeepers trying to hold on to this power structure. Too much furniture got broke. You're going out the door. You ain't going to never get another chance to have another say in anything. But as we go through this power, go through this restructuring process, there's a couple of things that I got on my mind that's going to permanently get a lot of people out of everybody's business. Number one, move their large seats to the air ball building, give you a specific duties and responsibilities, and you're going to stay in that lane. Number two, expand these council seats, make them more small, smaller, make them more responsible to the people they're supposed to represent. Because I had a conversation with somebody in District 7 on the east side. You know what they told me? They pushed the 7th district over into Riverside. And the back story behind that, that's the main reason why I can't stay in Riverside right now. They done got in everybody's business in District 7, and they done pissed off a lot of people that I want to isolate you, I want to put you somewhere where you don't cause no more harm. Because that's how you stop a lot of furniture from being broke. All you bastards from Ortiz, Riverside, Avondale, you the reason why the city is broken. Your bullshit caused these problems. And what do you expect me to do? Everything is coming down here, and you cannot stop. Once I get these old relics out of the way, we're going to do a whole re-complete redevelopment project that's going on right over there with First Baptist Church. Thank you, Mr. Oliver. If there's nothing else to come before the committee, our next scheduled meeting will be November 4th at 9 a.m. We stand adjourned. Thank you, Mr. Oliver. Thank you.